Aug 17, 2021 City Council Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER:]

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ORDER.

IT'S AUGUST 17TH, 3:00 P.M.

AND WITH THAT, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE THE CLERK CALL ROLL? SHE LEFT EARLY.

WE JUST GOT THAT NOTIFICATION THAT SAYS WE'RE BEING RECORDED.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF YOU HEARD ME.

SO MAYBE THAT CREATED A PROBLEM FOR HER.

SHE MAY HAVE CLICKED THE WRONG BUTTON.

HOLD ON, JUST A SECOND.

OK, BARBARA IS SIGNING BACK ON RIGHT NOW.

HOLD ON JUST A SEC.

THERE WE GO.

SORRY, TECHNICAL DIFFICULTLY THERE.

BARBARA, I THINK YOU LEFT OFF WITH MR. BLACKBURN.

YES, MAYOR HALL, YES.

SO LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

MR. BLACKBURN, DO YOU WANT TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? ABSOLUTELY.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG.

[PUBLIC REPORT OF ANY ACTION TAKEN IN CLOSED SESSION:]

THANK YOU.

THE CITY COUNCIL DID UNANIMOUSLY AUTHORIZE INITIATION OF LITIGATION AGAINST CANYON SPRINGS ENTERPRISES, A CALIFORNIA CORPORATION DOING BUSINESS IS RSH CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

STEMMING FROM WORK ON PROJECT 0484, ALSO KNOWN AS THE RESERVOIR LANDING PROJECT AT THE CROSSINGS GOLF COURSE.

AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO REPORT THIS EVENING.

OK, NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING HELD JUNE

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES:]

MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING HELD JULY 13TH.

MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD JULY 20TH MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD JULY 27TH.

MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES RECITED BY THE MAYOR.

PLEASE CALL ROLL.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT, SO WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENT: (Part 1 of 3)]

PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.

IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT, A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IS PROVIDED.

SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE COMMENTS AS REQUESTED UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

ALL OTHER COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON THESE ITEMS. WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNCIL MEETING.

HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND THAT THIS CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED.

WITH THAT CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THIS EVENING.

MICHAEL MCMAHON ON ONE EIGHT NINE NINE.

IF THE CALLER, PLEASE, PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

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IT WILL BE ONE SECOND WHILE I REBOOT.

I STARTED MY VIDEO, IT'S STILL BLACK.

YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ANY CONSENT CALENDAR COMMENTS, MAYBE WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THIS OUT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A CONSENT CALENDAR

[CONSENT CALENDAR:]

OK, WITH THAT, WE HAVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR.

DOES ANYONE WISH TO PULL AN ITEM? MOVE APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR.

SECOND.

OK, I WOULD LIKE TO I'M GOING TO VOTE NO ON ITEM FOUR, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT THAT I FEEL ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS THE AGREEMENT WITH CHEN RYAN ASSOCIATES FOR A COLLEGE BOULEVARD REACH PROJECT.

I PERSONALLY THINK THIS IS GROWTH INDUCING; THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND I VOTED AGAINST THIS ON PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEMS AND I AGAIN WILL VOTE NO ON THIS ON ITEM FOUR.

SO WITH THAT, CLERK, DO YOU WANT TO CALL THE RULE ON THE OTHERS? ITEM FOUR PASSES THREE ONE.

SO, CLERK, READY?

[PUBLIC COMMENT: (Part 2 of 3)]

OK.

FIRST SPEAKER MICHAEL MCMAHON ON ONE EIGHT NINE NINE, IF IF THE SPEAKER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

WELL, CURRENTLY, WE ARE STILL HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE AT THIS END, MAYOR .

SO ITEM FIVE SHOULD NOT TAKE THAT LONG, I DO NOT THINK SO, LET'S GO ON TO ITEM

[5. ORDINANCE ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 18.22 (ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS) TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE]

AND MS. ENGLESON, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US THE THUMBS UP WHEN YOU THINK THAT THE NON-AGENDA ITEMS ARE READY.

OK, THANK YOU.

SO ITEM FIVE IS AN ORDINANCE ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 18.22 ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE.

MR. CHADWICK DO YOU WANT TO MAKE INTRODUCTIONS? YES AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MR. JEFF MURPHY.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I DO HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO SHARE WITH YOU.

SO, AS MENTIONED, THIS ITEM WILL COVER OUR PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CITY CODES

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SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM.

IN OCTOBER OF 2015, AB 1236 PASSED REQUIRING CITIES TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT PROVIDES FOR AN EXPEDITED, STREAMLINED PERMITTING PROCESS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS.

NOW, WHILE THE DEPARTMENT MADE INTERNAL PERMIT PROCESS CHANGES TO IMPLEMENT THE REQUIRED STATE LAW, THE PROCESS WAS NEVER FORMALLY ADOPTED AS AN ORDINANCE.

THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WILL BRING THE CITY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT STATE LAW.

NOW, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A MINISTERIAL REVIEW PROCESS WHERE APPLICATIONS WILL BE REVIEWED WITHIN FIVE DAYS AND CHARGED A MINOR FEE OF ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CHARGE FOR ELECTRICAL PERMITS.

THE ORDINANCE ALSO INCLUDES A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS, AGAIN REQUIRED BY LAW TO ANALYZE AND ADDRESS POTENTIAL HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES THAT MAY RESULT WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE CHARGING UNITS.

SUCH HEALTH SAFETY ISSUES MIGHT BE THE INSTALLATIONS THAT MODIFY A PATH OF TRAVEL FOR A.D.A OR PROPOSE THE REMOVAL OF EMERGENCY LIGHTING.

THE DISCRETIONARY PROCESS WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR DEVIATIONS TO THINGS LIKE MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS OR SIGNS SIMILAR TO THE DISPLAY SIGN REFLECTED IN THE PHOTO ON THIS SLIDE WHERE CHARGING VENDORS SELL ADVERTISING SPACE TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS.

THESE DEVIATION REQUESTS ARE NOTICED WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THREE HUNDRED FEET ARE INFORMED OF THE PROPOSAL AND CAN ONLY BE APPROVED IF THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR A SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ARE MADE.

NOW, TO IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY, INFORMATION BULLETINS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED THAT EXPLAIN THE REGULATORY PROCESS AND SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND TERMS, THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THESE BULLETINS CAN HELP THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN INSTALLING A CHARGER IN THEIR GARAGE TO THE PROFESSIONAL INSTALLER WHO WANTS TO CREATE A COMMERCIAL FACILITY BY CONVERTING MULTIPLE PARKING STALLS IN AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER.

ALSO TO HELP DEMYSTIFY AND SIMPLIFY THE PERMIT SUBMITTAL PROCESS THE DEPARTMENT CREATED A SYSTEM OF CHECKLISTS THAT HELP ORGANIZE AND UNDERSTAND THE REQUIRED TECHNICAL MATERIALS THAT NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW.

ADOPTING THIS ORDINANCE WILL FORMALLY BRING THE CITY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND THE INFORMATION ON WHAT MATERIAL WILL FURTHER SIMPLIFY AND STREAMLINE THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS FOR ELECTRONIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS.

AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE BE ADOPTED, WITH THAT, CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? YES, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? THANK YOU, THIS AREA OF ENVIRONMENTALISM IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

I THINK THAT AS WE TRANSITION TO ELECTRIC AND HYBRID CARS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A WAY TO CHARGE THOSE CARS, BECAUSE THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS WITH GAS STATIONS AND IT'S A NEW WAY OF DOING THINGS.

I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT STREAMLINING.

THE INFORMATION BULLETIN IS GREAT AND THE CHECKLIST IS AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, THAT IT'S SIMPLE AND THAT IT'S AS CUSTOMER-FRIENDLY AS USER-FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.

I'M VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS AND I DRIVE ELECTRIC TOO.

SO I KNOW THE PAIN OF NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND A CHARGING STATION WHEN YOU NEED IT.

THANKS A LOT.

GREAT WORK.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, DR.

BHAT-PATEL? YEAH, DEFINITELY ECHOING SENTIMENTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA JUST SHARED, REALLY EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.

AND OF COURSE, I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS TO BE STREAMLINED.

AND JUST FOR ME AS WELL, I ALSO WE HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR.

AND SO IT'S VERY EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WE'LL HAVE HOPEFULLY IF FOLKS MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE'LL HAVE MORE OPTIONS.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU CAN HEAR THE LEAF BLOWERS IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT THE WOES OF REMOTE WORK SOMETIMES.

SO, ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

OK, MR. BREWER, DO YOU WANT TO TITLE THE AUDIENCE? YES, THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO ON THIS ONE.

DO WE SEE, MS. ENGLESON? NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? OK, THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, ADDING A NEW CHAPTER, 18.22 ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE PURSUANT TO STATE LAW.

MOVE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

SECOND.

CLERK, PLEASE TAKE ROLL.

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[PUBLIC COMMENT: (Part 3 of 3)]

SO HELP ME HERE, EVERYONE.

PERHAPS WE COULD GO TO APPOINTMENTS, WHICH IS KIND OF AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS.

WAIT WE DO ON EIGHT.

DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON ITEM NINE? NO.

IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WE'RE BACK IN PLAY.

OK, THEN LET'S GO BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK.

ALL RIGHT.

THIRD TIME'S A CHARM.

MICHAEL MCMAHON ON ONE EIGHT NINE NINE.

IF THE CALLER WOULD PLEASE, PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

HI, THIS IS MICHAEL MCMAHON, I'M A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

THE CITY HAS CONDUCTED MANY WORKSHOPS AND HEARD FROM OUR RESIDENTS THAT THEY ALL WANT OUR CITY TO BECOME A STRONG LEADER IN GREEN DEVELOPMENT SUSTAINABILITY.

SUSTAINABILITY IS, IN FACT, ONE OF OUR CORE VALUES THAT MAKE UP OUR COMMUNITY VISION.

BUT THE RECENT EFFICIENCY REACH CODE ORDINANCES AND THE CREATION OF CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE, OUR CITY WILL BE MOVING TO A CLEANER FUTURE WITH FEWER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

WE ALL MAY HAVE HEARD THAT LAST MONTH, JULY WAS THE HOTTEST JULY ON RECORD.

AND JUST LAST WEEK, THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE, THE IPCC, BRINGING TOGETHER OVER 700 SCIENTISTS AND PEER REVIEWED PAPERS, RELEASED ITS SIXTH ASSESSMENT REPORT ON HOW CLIMATE CHANGE IS ALTERING THE PLANET'S NATURAL SYSTEMS AND WORSENING THE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AROUND THE WORLD.

THE REPORT TALKS ABOUT NEW ESTIMATES OF THE CHANCES OF CROSSING THE GLOBAL WARMING LEVEL OF ONE POINT FIVE CELSIUS IN THE NEXT DECADE, AND IN ITS OWN WORDS, THAT UNLESS THERE ARE IMMEDIATE, RAPID AND LARGE SCALE REDUCTIONS IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, LIMITING WARMING TO ONE POINT FIVE CELSIUS OR EVEN TWO CELSIUS WILL BE BEYOND REACH.

THIS IS WHY I URGE OUR CITY TO DO ITS PART AND JOIN SAN DIEGO, LOS ANGELES, ENCINITAS, DEL MAR, SOLANA BEACH AND OVER 480 OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY DECLARING A CLIMATE EMERGENCY.

THE DECLARATION WILL COMMIT OUR CITY TO WORK AND PARTNER WITH RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND CITIZENS GROUPS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND TO WORK FOR A JUST TRANSITION, PROVIDING MAXIMUM PROTECTION FOR OUR CITIZENS.

SO THIS DECLARATION WILL PRIORITIZE CLIMATE ACTION AND EMPHASIZE THAT AGGRESSIVE UPDATES AND IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS A PRIORITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GLENN BERNARD AT FOUR ONE ONE ZERO.

IF THE CALLER WOULD PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

THAT SPEAKER IS NOT ON THE LINE.

THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER SPEAKER I HAVE ON PUBLIC COMMENT, MAYOR.

[6. TWO CONCEPTUAL HOUSING ELEMENT REZONING MAPS FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND PUBLIC OUTREACH PLAN]

TWO CONCEPTUAL HOUSING ELEMENT REZONING MAPS FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND PUBLIC OUTREACH PLAN.

MR. CHADWICK, YOU WANT TO MAKE INTRODUCTIONS? YES, SIR AND IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE AND MAKING THE PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR SENIOR PLANNER, MR. SCOTT DONNELL.

SCOTT, TAKE IT AWAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK, AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO PRESENT THIS ITEM TO YOU.

AND IT'S A PLEASURE BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS A POST HOUSING ELEMENT APPROVAL STEP.

AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.

OF COURSE, YOU TOOK ACTION FOUR MONTHS AGO TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S HOUSING ELEMENT, AND THAT'S A KEY PART OF THE BACKGROUND, AS WELL AS THE METHODOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN USED TO DEVELOP THE CONCEPTUAL MAPS THAT ARE THE PRIMARY REASON OR TOPIC WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION TO YOU, BUT ALONG WITH DISCUSSING THE BACKGROUND, HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, THE CONCEPTUAL MAPS, WE ALSO WANT TO FOCUS IN ON THE DIRECTION YOU PROVIDED TO US IN APRIL REGARDING TWO SITES IN PARTICULAR AND THE DESIRE TO FIND ALTERNATIVES TO THEM.

AND BESIDES THAT, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT THE CITY STAFF IS PROPOSING TO OUTREACH TO RESIDENTS OF CARLSBAD WITH REGARDS TO THESE CONCEPTUAL MAPS AND FINALLY CONCLUDE WITH IDENTIFICATION OF A TIMELINE AS WELL AS THE

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AND I THINK SOMETHING TO EMPHASIZE AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, REALLY, BEFORE WE GET INTO IT, IS THAT WE ARE NOT SEEKING THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AT THIS STAGE FOR ANY LAND-USE CHANGES.

WHAT WE'RE PRIMARILY AFTER IS YOUR DIRECTION AND CONCURRENCE WITH REGARDS TO OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN COLLECT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT ON THE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED TO HELP US MEET OUR HOUSING ELEMENT NEEDS.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO I'D LIKE TO GO OVER TO MILESTONE ACTIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, OF COURSE, I'VE ALREADY REFERENCED ACTION THAT YOU TOOK IN APRIL AND THAT ACTION WAS TO APPROVE THE CITY'S HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE.

IT REPLACED AN ELEMENT THAT WAS LAST ADOPTED IN MARCH OF 2017.

AND IT WAS A CULMINATION OF ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF OF EFFORT TO DEVELOP A HOUSING ELEMENT THROUGH A CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED COMMITTEE, IN ADDITION TO THAT IMPORTANT ACTION, THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO TOOK THE STEP TO FIND THAT THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN, HOUSING CAPS OR DWELLING UNIT LIMITATIONS ARE UNENFORCEABLE.

AND THAT IS PRIMARILY DUE TO STATE LAW, WHICH RESTRICTS OR PROHIBITS CITIES AND COUNTIES FROM IMPOSING LIMITATIONS, WHETHER IT'S A MORATORIUM OR A DWELLING UNIT LIMITATION ON RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS TOPIC OF IDENTIFYING SITES, BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT WE ARE NOT BOUND BY THE CAPS OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN IN LOCATING WHERE HOUSING SHOULD GO.

AND FINALLY, AN IMPORTANT ACTION THAT COUNCIL TOOK ON APRIL 6TH WAS TO DIRECT STAFF WITH REGARDS TO ALTERNATIVE SITES.

AND THERE WERE TWO PROPERTIES IN PARTICULAR.

ONE KNOWN AS SITE 13 ALONG POINSETTIA LANE, THE OTHER IN THE PONTO AREA, WHERE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO IDENTIFY ALTERNATIVES OR REPLACEMENTS IN THE SAME QUADRANT AS THOSE TWO SITES IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT.

AND OF COURSE, WE'LL FOCUS MORE ON THAT LATER.

THE OTHER MILESTONE ACTION THAT TOOK PLACE JUST ABOUT A MONTH AGO WAS THE STATE'S CERTIFICATION OF OUR HOUSING ELEMENT.

THAT REVIEW BY THE STATE IS MANDATED BY STATE LAW.

WE DID WORK CLOSELY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE PREPARATION OF THE DOCUMENT TO HOPEFULLY DELIVER TO THEM A DOCUMENT WHICH THEY COULD CERTIFY.

AND INDEED, WE DID RECEIVE THAT CERTIFICATION JUST ON JULY 14TH LAST MONTH.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WITH THOSE APPROVALS OUT OF THE WAY, BOTH CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE STATE CERTIFICATION THAT NOW ENABLES US TO IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE NEW GOALS, POLICIES, PROGRAMS, OBJECTIVES AND TIMELINES THAT ARE SPECIFIED IN OUR HOUSING ELEMENT, IT REALLY SERVES AS THE CITY'S HOUSING PLAN, MUCH LIKE THE CIRCULATION ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN IDENTIFIES THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN OR THE LAND USE PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT IN ADDITION, WE ALSO HAVE SOLID DIRECTION NOW WITH REGARDS TO THE PONTO PROPERTY AND THE SITE 13 COUNCIL ASKING US TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE SITES.

AND AGAIN, WITH REGARDING GROWTH MANAGEMENT CAPS, HOW THOSE ARE NO LONGER ENFORCEABLE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE NOW OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, WE'VE RECEIVED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AS WELL AS THAT OF THE STATE.

WE ARE NOW BEGINNING THE LONG PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING OUR HOUSING PLAN OR OUR STRATEGY FOR IDENTIFYING HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEET ALL OF THE HOUSING NEEDS OF CARLSBAD FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS THROUGH 2029.

SO THAT MEANS ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, ADDRESSING EMERGENCY SHELTERS, PROVIDING HOUSING FOR ALL INCOME SEGMENTS.

THESE ARE ALL PART OF WHAT THE HOUSING ELEMENT SEEKS TO ESTABLISH AS THE CITY'S HOUSING PLAN.

AND PART OF THAT IS IMPLEMENTATION.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT PROVIDES SOME BRIEF INFORMATION, INFORMATION NUMBERS REALLY ON WHAT THAT IMPLEMENTATION IS ALL ABOUT.

FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE IN THE VERY FIRST FEW MONTHS OF AN EIGHT YEAR HOUSING CYCLE THAT WILL END IN 2029 DURING THAT PERIOD.

WE NEED TO FIND SITES OR SHOW THAT WE HAVE PROGRAMS, A LAND USE INVENTORY IN PLACE TO ACCOMMODATE NEARLY FOUR THOUSAND UNITS.

AND THOSE UNITS STEM FROM A PROCESS KNOWN AS THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

THAT'S A STATE ESTIMATE OF GROWTH THAT'S ASSIGNED TO ALL CITIES AND COUNTIES IN CALIFORNIA.

OUR SHARE IS THAT FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS, WE NEED TO PROVIDE SITES OR SHOW THAT WE HAVE AN EXISTING INVENTORY THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE UNITS.

THE CURRENT ELEMENT ALSO HAS FORTY FIVE POLICIES FOR CITY STAFF, FOR DEVELOPERS, FOR HOUSING ADVOCATES TO IMPLEMENT AND REFER TO AS WE REVIEW AND PROCESS RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

NEW HOUSING ELEMENT ALSO HAS 38 PROGRAMS. AND WHAT'S NOTEWORTHY ABOUT THAT IS THAT HALF OF THOSE PROGRAMS ACTUALLY HAVE VERY DISCRETE OBJECTIVES, TIMELINES, DEADLINES THAT WE HAVE TO MEET IN THE NEXT 42 MONTHS.

IN OTHER WORDS, BY DECEMBER OF 2024, THERE ARE SEVERAL ACTIONS WE HAVE TO BRING TO

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AN AMENDMENT TO A HOUSING POLICY.

A CHANGE TO AND ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, A PROGRAM TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, ALL OF WHICH WE NEED TO COMPLETE IN THE NEXT THREE AND A HALF YEARS, APPROXIMATELY BY DECEMBER OF 2024.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PROGRAM OF ALL OF THOSE 19 THAT HAVE DISCRETE DEADLINES IS THIS PROGRAM 1.1, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST ROBUST AND COMPREHENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING OF ALL OF THE PROGRAMS IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

AND IT IS DESIGNED OR PUT INTO PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT THIRTY EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THREE UNIT NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE SITES FOR.

AND THE STATE IS VERY SPECIFIC THAT CARLSBAD, LIKE ALL CITIES, MUST COMPLETE ITS REZONING IN THREE YEARS BY APRIL 2024, THREE YEARS AFTER THE HOUSING LIMIT WAS ADOPTED.

OUR CITY'S OBJECTIVE IS THAT THE REZONING EFFORT BE COMPLETED MUCH EARLIER THAN THAT, PRIMARILY BY 2022.

AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT HAS ALREADY DONE A THOROUGH JOB OF IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES.

THESE ARE IN APPENDIX C OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT CAN HELP US MEET THAT REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT OBJECTIVE.

BUT IN ADDITION, THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVE POTENTIAL SITES AND THOSE STEM FROM ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT TO RESPOND TO CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

AND WE'LL CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS IN THE COMING SLIDES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO HOUSING ELEMENT, APPENDIX C.

THIS IS A MAP THAT INTRODUCES THAT APPENDIX, IT SIMPLY IDENTIFIES THE 15 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN CARLSBAD THAT WE THINK ARE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO MEET THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE.

THESE SITES ARE LOCATED IN THE VERY NORTHERN END OF THE CITY, AROUND THE SHOPS OF CARLSBAD, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY ALONG OUR INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR, PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD, AS WELL AS SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD.

THEY INCLUDE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD UP ZONED RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM A LOWER DENSITY TO A HIGH DENSITY.

THEY INCLUDE CHANGES FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

ALL OF THESE SITES ARE IDENTIFIED IN HOUSING, IN APPENDIX C AND REALLY REPRESENT POTENTIAL LOCATIONS.

AND THEY FORM THE BASIS OF THE CONCEPTUAL MAPS THAT WE WANT TO GO OUT WITH THE COMMUNITY TO GAIN FURTHER INPUT ON THE DIFFERENT SITES.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO GETTING BACK TO THAT RHNA NUMBER, AS I MENTIONED, THE STATE HAS FORECASTED FOR CARLSBAD THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE SITES FOR THIRTY EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THREE UNITS.

THOSE UNITS ARE ACTUALLY BROKEN DOWN BY THE THREE INCOME CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE.

THE MAJORITY OF UNITS WE NEED TO PROVIDE ARE IN THE LOWER INCOME CATEGORY, MORE THAN HALF.

AND WHEN UNITS ARE BUILT, THEY'RE DETERMINED BY THE STATE TO BE AFFORDABLE, AT LEAST INITIALLY BASED ON THEIR DENSITY.

DENSITY IS A PROXY FOR AFFORDABILITY.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE HIGHER THE DENSITY, THE MORE AFFORDABLE THE UNIT, AT LEAST IN THE STATE SIDE.

AND WHEN I REFER TO DENSITY, I'M SIMPLY REFERRING TO THE NUMBER OF HOMES PER ACRE.

BUT IN TRUTH, EVEN THOUGH A PROJECT MAY BE BUILT AT A DENSITY THE STATE DEEMS AS SUITABLE FOR LOWER INCOME, UNLESS THOSE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT ARE DEEMED RESTRICTED, MORE THAN LIKELY THEY WILL BE ONLY AFFORDABLE TO MARKET RATE PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE ACTUALLY BETWEEN DENSITY AND WHAT ACTUALLY GETS BUILT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT RHNA NUMBER CAN BE REDUCED BY A NUMBER OF FACTORS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT PART OF THE SLIDE, THINGS SUCH AS PENDING RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY APPROVED ARE VACANT LAND INVENTORY AND ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF ACCESS REQUIREMENTS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE BUILT OVER THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS ALL TAKE THAT NEARLY FOUR THOUSAND UNIT AND REDUCE IT ALMOST IN HALF BY TWO THOUSAND UNITS, RESULTING IN WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

INSTEAD OF OVER TWO THOUSAND UNITS OF LOWER INCOME, FOR EXAMPLE, WE REALLY ONLY NEED TO PROVIDE JUST ABOUT FOURTEEN HUNDRED LOWER INCOME UNITS, THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN UNITS IN THE MODERN INCOME AND ABOVE MODERATE INCOME CATEGORY OUR CURRENT VACANT LAND, AS WELL AS PENDING AND APPROVED PROJECTS, ARE ADEQUATE TO SATISFY THAT INCOME.

ALL SAID WE NEED TO PROVIDE ABOUT SEVENTEEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR UNITS IN THESE FIRST TWO INCOME CATEGORIES, AND THOSE ARE MET BY THE ALTERNATIVE BY THE SITES IDENTIFIED IN APPENDIX C.

THE NEXT SLIDE, HOWEVER, IDENTIFIES THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT NET RHNA NUMBER, AFTER WE DEDUCT THE PENDING AND APPROVED PROJECTS, WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THE ADDITION OF A 30 PERCENT BUFFER.

THIS IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH STATE GUIDANCE THAT CITIES, IN ADDITION TO THEIR RHNA NUMBER, PROVIDE A BUFFER FOR ONE PRIMARY REASON.

AS YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT GET BUILT, EVEN IF THEY'RE AT THE HIGH DENSITY, MAY NOT BE TRULY AFFORDABLE BASED ON WHAT THE STATE CONSIDERS AS AFFORDABLE ACCORDING TO THE DENSITY.

FOR EXAMPLE, A ONE HUNDRED UNIT PROJECT BUILT ACCORDING TO OUR INCLUSIONARY

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THE REMAINING EIGHTY FIVE UNITS ARE BUILT AT MARKET RATE.

TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW SB 166 IN PARTICULAR.

WE NEED TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE MARKET RATE UNITS THAT WERE NOT TRULY AFFORDABLE.

THAT'S WHY THE BUFFER AND A HIGH BUFFER AT THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY AS PROJECTS CONSTRUCT AND MARKET UNITS ARE BUILT, AND WE NEED TO FIND ALTERNATIVE SITES THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL LOWER INCOME HOUSING.

SO THE BOTTOM ROW THAT'S IDENTIFIED HERE IS THE ACTUAL TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR WHICH WE NEED TO PROVIDE HOUSING SITES.

TWO THOUSAND UNITS IN THE LOWER INCOME CATEGORY.

FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY IN THE MODERATE INCOME CATEGORY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WE KNOW WHAT OUR NUMBER IS, OUR TARGET NUMBER, NEARLY TWENTY SIX HUNDRED UNITS OF HOUSING THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE SITES FOR.

HOW THEN DO WE DEVELOP A PROCESS AND COME UP WITH A MAP OR POTENTIAL SITES TO SHOW HOW WE DO THAT? AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FORMATION OF A CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE BACK IN LATE TWENTY NINETEEN, THE HOUSING ELEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT PROVIDED INFORMATION FOR BOTH STAFF AND DECISION MAKERS IN THE PREPARATION AND THE ADOPTION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

THAT COMMITTEE SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS DISCUSSING THIS VERY ISSUE, HOW TO FIND ADEQUATE SITES AND DEBATED AND EVENTUALLY CAME UP WITH A SET OF METHODOLOGIES.

IN ADDITION TO THE HEACS WORK TO DEVELOP METHODOLOGIES, THE CITY ALSO SOUGHT INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THERE WAS AN ONLINE SURVEY IN AUGUST OF 2020 IN WHICH DIFFERENT PARAMETERS WERE PUT OUT FOR COMMUNITY, FOR RESPONDENTS TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THAT HELP, NOT ONLY TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY RANKINGS, BUT ALSO IN AN ALTERNATIVE RANKING SYSTEM TO THAT DEVELOPED AND PUT FORWARD BY THE HOUSING ELEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

NOW THIS INFORMATION, THE METHODOLOGIES, THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE HEAC AS WELL AS THEIR RANKINGS WERE ALL PRESENTED TO AND CONFIRMED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A SPECIAL WORKSHOP OF THE COUNCIL ON AUGUST 20TH OF LAST YEAR.

SO LET'S GO OVER THE METHODOLOGIES BRIEFLY ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

THERE ARE ACTUALLY SIX TOTAL AND THEY'RE LISTED HERE.

THE FIRST METHODOLOGY, ASSUME MID RANGE DENSITIES IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY ONE OF THE SIX THAT DOESN'T AFFECT A PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT FOR CERTAIN DENSITY RANGES IN CARLSBAD, INSTEAD OF ASSUMING THE CURRENT MINIMUM, THAT MINIMUM SHOULD BE RAISED TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE RANGE.

THE REST OF THE METHODOLOGIES ALL REALLY CAN BE APPLIED TO SPECIFIC PROPERTIES USING GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTY TO ALLOW HOUSING.

THAT WAS IDENTIFIED, FOR EXAMPLE, BY THE HOUSING ELEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS A WAY TO HELP MEET OUR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH FORECAST, CONVERTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, COUNTING PROPOSALS THAT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, BUT REQUIRE A REZONE.

THESE WERE ALL DIFFERENT WAYS TO HELP US SATISFY THAT REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT NUMBER.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THE SITE INPUT AND SELECTION PROCESS THAT I MENTIONED, ALL OF WHICH CAN BE USED AND AS CONFIRMED BY THE CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR, TO RANK THE SITES IN THIS APPENDIX C, THE 15 PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

AND INDEED, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

AND THE RANKING WAS DONE BY BOTH THE HOUSING ELEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THE SURVEY THAT RESPONDENTS TOOK IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.

AND SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT RANKINGS WE HAVE ON THE LEFT, A TABLE WHICH IDENTIFIES THE COMMUNITY'S RANKINGS.

THOSE PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE TWO AND A HALF WEEKS SURVEY IN AUGUST OF 2020 CONSIDERED THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND SAID IF WE ARE TO PUT ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN CARLSBAD, WHERE SHOULD IT BE AS PRIORITIZED, RESPONDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY SURVEY SAID, WELL, THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION HOUSING SHOULD GO IS ON VACANT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.

THE COMMUNITY, ON THE OTHER HAND, LEAST FAVORED LOCATING HOUSING IN AREAS WHERE DENSITY WHERE PROJECTS COULD BE MADE DENSER.

IN OTHER WORDS, TAKING EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, VACANT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND INCREASING THE DENSITY ALLOWED ON THEM.

NOW, THE INTERESTING THING BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY'S RANKINGS AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RANKINGS IS THAT WHILE THE COMMUNITY SAID VACANT INDUSTRIAL SITES WERE THE NUMBER ONE CHOICE TO LOCATE RESIDENTIAL, THE HEAC SAID THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE THAT INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS WERE THE LEAST FAVORED LOCATION TO PUT RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.

HOWEVER, BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMITTEE AGREED THAT GENERALLY LOCATIONS IN COMMERCIAL AREAS WERE APPROPRIATE FOR SITING HOUSING THAT CARLSBAD NEEDS

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SO THESE RANKINGS ULTIMATELY RESULT IN TWO MAPS AND THESE ARE MAPS THAT ARE PROVIDED AS PART OF YOUR CITY COUNCIL STAFF REPORT.

THE FIRST MAP, THE MAP ON THE LEFT, IDENTIFIES THOSE APPENDIX C SITES, THE 15 OR SO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, AND HOW THEY WOULD BE RANKED BY THE COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, BASED ON THE COMMUNITY SITES THAT ARE CURRENTLY INDUSTRIALLY DESIGNATED, ARE IDENTIFIED AS THE FIRST WAY TO SOLVE OUR HOUSING NEED.

THE SITES THAT ARE RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNATED ARE NOT EVEN SHOWN ON THE COMMUNITY'S MAP BECAUSE THEY WERE THE LEAST FAVORED AND THEY WERE UNNECESSARY TO SATISFY THAT REMAINING GREEN IN NEED OF TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT UNITS.

ALTERNATIVELY, MAP NUMBER TWO ON THE RIGHT SIDE, BECAUSE OF THE RANKINGS OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

IT TAKES MORE SITES, MORE OF THOSE APPENDIX C SITES TO SATISFY REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS, ASSESSMENT NUMBER OF TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT UNITS.

THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MAP ON THE RIGHT AND THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE MAP.

ON THE LEFT IDENTIFIES NO ZONING OF ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, HOWEVER, DOES SO.

IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF WE TAKE THAT AND NEED NO, IF WE FILTER THEM THROUGH THE SITES BASED ON EITHER THE COMMUNITY'S RANKINGS AND THE HEAC'S RANKINGS, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE ENOUGH UNITS BASED ON EITHER MAP TO SATISFY OUR REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, INCLUDING WITH THE 30 PERCENT BUFFER.

NOW, ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT WE HAVE AN OVERAGE OF UNITS IN THE LOWER INCOME CATEGORY AND WE HAVE A DEFICIT IN THE MODERATE INCOME CATEGORY.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE OVERAGE IN LOWER INCOME CAN SATISFY THAT MODERATE INCOME NEEDS MAKING EACH MAP WHOLE IN TERMS OF MEETING THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

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SO WITH THAT IN MIND, CERTAINLY ONE WAY TO SATISFY RHNA IS THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T NEED ANY MORE PROPERTIES.

EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN APPENDIX C MEETS THE RHNA NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.

HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE US DIRECTION ON APRIL SIX TO REMOVE A PROPERTY FROM THAT APPENDIX C INVENTORY.

THAT IS KNOWN AS SITE THIRTEEN, ZONE 20 CLUSTER.

IN ADDITION, THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO GAVE US DIRECTION TO REMOVE FROM THE SITE'S INVENTORY THE PONTO PROPERTY.

THIS IS KNOWN AS PLANNING AREA F.

THAT DIRECTION ALSO INCLUDED FOR STAFF TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE SITES WITHIN THE SAME QUADRANT.

IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, THE FIRST ONE SIMPLY IDENTIFIES THE PONTO PROPERTY JUST LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF AVENIDA ENCINAS BETWEEN CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

THIS PROPERTY, ABOUT NINE AND A HALF ACRES, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO YIELD ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY MODERATE INCOME UNITS.

THE CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION DID NOT RESULT IN ANY LAND USE CHANGES FROM THIS PROPERTY.

WE SIMPLY ARE NOT COUNTING IT TOWARDS OUR REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

THE NEXT SLIDE PROVIDES DETAILS ON THIS SITE 13 ZONE 20 CLUSTER.

THIS IS LOCATED IN AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL AREA EAST OF AVIARA PARKWAY ALONG POINSETTIA LANE.

THE SIX PARCELS HERE CONSIST OF BOTH DEVELOPED AND VACANT LAND.

ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S PRESENTED TO THIS POINT, THE MAPS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THE SITES THAT WERE ANALYZED, THE RANKINGS AND THE RESULTS FROM THEM DO NOT CONSIDER THIS SITE THIRTEEN ZONE TWENTY CLUSTER.

IN OTHER WORDS, SITES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED WITHOUT SITE THIRTEEN AND WITHOUT PONTO, FOR THAT MATTER, ARE STILL ADEQUATE TO MEET OUR RHNA NUMBER.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO IN TERMS OF FINDING ALTERNATIVE SITES BASED ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, STAFF LOOKED AT THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT ONLY AND IDENTIFIED SEVEN POTENTIAL PROPERTIES.

NONE OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE ON THE CONCEPTUAL MAPS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO YOU AS PART OF THE PACKET.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE SIMPLY POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE SITES THAT WERE NOT CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

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AND THESE SEVEN SITES, AGAIN, FOCUSED ONLY IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, INCLUDE PROPERTIES JUST SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT, ROAD PROPERTIES ALONG AMBROSIA LANE AND THE AVIARA AREA, AND A PROPERTY ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH ALONG THE INSANITIES BORDER.

AND NONE OF THESE SITES WERE INITIALLY SELECTED DUE TO A VARIETY OF REASONS, LOCATION, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, THE POTENTIAL FOR CONTROVERSY ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, AS WELL AS AN EXISTING USE.

NOW, THE ADVANTAGE THAT THESE SITES PROVIDE IS THAT THEY CAN HELP SATISFY THE CITY'S HOUSING NEEDS IF THEY'RE INCLUDED AS PART OF OUR REZONE PROGRAM.

AND THAT INCLUDES SATISFYING THE DEFICIT OF MODERATE INCOME NEEDS.

YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE CHARACTERISTICS THERE ON THE LEFT, IT'S A WIDE RANGE OF PROPERTY, PROPERTY DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR PUBLIC

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AND THE NEXT SLIDE SIMPLY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THESE PROPERTIES.

AS STAFF CONSIDERED THE SEVEN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, WE APPLIED BOTH TO DIFFERENT KINDS OF MODERATE INCOME DENSITIES, DENSITIES THE STATE DETERMINES ARE SUITABLE FOR MODERATE INCOME UNITS AS WELL AS A LOWER INCOME DENSITY, TWENTY SIX AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE.

THE UNIT YIELDS THAT STAFF DEVELOPED BASED ON THESE THREE DENSITY CATEGORIES ARE PURELY ESTIMATES.

IF A PROJECT WERE TO ACTUALLY COME IN AND PROPOSE A PROJECT, THE DENSITY YIELDS.

THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD BE BUILT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE FIRST OF THE SEVEN SITES SIMPLY IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

THIS IS A PROPERTY LOCATED JUST WEST OF AMBROSIA LANE AND JUST TO THE NORTH OF AVIARA OAKS MIDDLE SCHOOL.

IT IS PRIVATELY OWNED 10 ACRES IN SIZE AND INCLUDES BOTH A RESIDENTIAL AND OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION BECAUSE THAT OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION TAKES ABOUT TWO ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY AWAY.

AND BECAUSE OF A CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION POLICY WHICH LIMITS WHERE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY CAN OCCUR, THE UNIT YIELD IS ACTUALLY QUITE LESS THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT IMAGINE FROM A 10 ACRE PIECE.

AND YOU CAN SEE BASED ON THE DIFFERENT DENSITY CATEGORIES, THE UNIT YIELDS RANGE ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT TWENTY THREE TO FIFTY THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

AND THE NEXT OF THE SEVEN SITES BLUE HERON PLACE, THIS JUST REPRESENTS THE VACANT FIVE ACRE PARCEL THAT'S BETWEEN THAT STREET BLUE HERON PLACE AND THE AVIARA GOLF COURSE.

THIS VACANT PROPERTY ALSO IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND PRESENTLY DESIGNATED FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

IF IT WERE RE-DESIGNATED FOR A HIGHER DENSITY, OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE THE THREE BOXES THERE ON THE RIGHT PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD BE PROVIDED IF THE DENSITY WERE INCREASED ON THIS BLUE HERON PLACE PROPERTY.

THE THIRD LOCATION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

IT RECOGNIZES TWO SITES IN THE CITY JUST EAST OF PASEO DEL NORTE, KIND OF BETWEEN THAT STREET AND THE COSTCO, WHICH ARE PRESENTLY EITHER PUBLIC OR COMMERCIAL USES.

ONE IS AN EXISTING CALTRANS MAINTENANCE STATION.

THE OTHER IS THE LOCATION OF THE PACIFIC SALES KITCHEN AND BATH STORE.

IF THESE PROPERTIES WERE REDEVELOPED, IF THEY WERE CHANGED FROM THEIR EXISTING PUBLIC AND COMMERCIAL USE TO EITHER A MODERATE OR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL UNIT, YIELDS WOULD RANGE FROM NEARLY 80 UNITS TO OVER 180 UNITS PER ACRE.

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AND THE FOURTH PROPERTY IS A VERY LARGE PIECE, THE LARGEST OF THE SEVEN, THAT'S JUST THIRTY FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.

IT'S A MOSTLY VACANT PROPERTY THAT'S SOUTH OF HUMMINGBIRD ROAD BETWEEN IT AND BATIQUITOS LAGOON AND JUST EAST OF BATIQUITOS DRIVE.

IT'S DESIGNATED FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE.

BECAUSE OF STATE RULES AND RESTRICTIONS, THE STAFF IS ONLY COUNTING 10 ACRES OF THIS PROPERTY TO DETERMINE UNIT YIELDS.

THEREFORE, IF THIS PROPERTY WERE TO REDEVELOP AT A MODERATE OR LOWER INCOME DENSITY, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT MIGHT RESULT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE QUITE HIGHER THAN THE ESTIMATES PROVIDED HERE.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE.

NEXT SLIDE REGARDS A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY LOCATED ALONG CALLE BARCELONA.

THIS IS ANOTHER POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE SITE TO EITHER SITE 13 OR TO THE PONTO PROPERTY.

PRESENTLY ON THIS NEARLY EIGHT ACRE SITE IS A PARKING LOT JUST OPPOSITE THE FORUM SHOPS.

MUCH OF THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED FOR OPEN SPACE, HOWEVER, AND WORKING WITH A PROPERTY OWNER REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE SITE THERE IS THE POTENTIAL AT THE SITE COULD GENERATE ANYWHERE FROM FORTY SIX TO ONE HUNDRED AND SIX UNITS.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE, NORTH COUNTY TRANSIT DISTRICT, THE POINSETTIA COASTER STATION NCTD HAS APPROACHED THE CITY ABOUT BOTH REDEVELOPING THIS AS WELL AS THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE TRANSIT STATION, NOT TO REMOVE THE TRANSIT STATION USES, BUT INSTEAD REDEVELOP THE PARKING LOT AREAS FOR POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL USES SUCH AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE HAVE ESTIMATED A VERY SMALL YIELD FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE EXISTING TRANSIT USES THAT WOULD REMAIN.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE ESTIMATED UNIT YIELDS THERE ON THE RIGHT.

AND I'LL CONCLUDE WITH THE LAST SLIDE, THIS HAS TO DO WITH A CLUSTER OF PROPERTIES LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF PLANNING AREA F.

PLANNING AREA F IS THE PONTO PROPERTY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED, STAFF REMOVE FROM THE HOUSING ELEMENT SITES INVENTORY.

THERE ARE ALSO ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES IN THE PONTO AREA PRESENTLY DESIGNATED FOR A VARIETY OF USES GENERAL COMMERCIAL, VISITOR COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS MEDIUM DENSITY

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IF THEY WERE ALREADY DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES, POTENTIALLY THEY COULD GENERATE ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO NEARLY ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY UNITS.

SO WE'LL TRANSITION FROM THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL SITES TO FOCUS ON THEM KIND OF MORE CUMULATIVELY.

AND THIS IS JUST TO SAY THAT IF ALL OF THE PROPERTIES, THE SEVEN WERE REDEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL, IF THEY WERE RE-DESIGNATED FOR A MODERATE OR LOWER INCOME DENSITY, THEY WOULD MORE THAN SATISFY THE DEFICIT, CERTAINLY IN THE MODERATE INCOME CATEGORY.

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AND BEFORE WE DISCUSS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE TO PRESENT THE CONCEPTUAL SIGHTS AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, I WANT TO POINT OUT TWO SLIDES HERE TO EMPHASIZE THE WORK THAT THE CITY HAS DONE IN THE PAST, AS WELL AS WORK THAT WILL OCCUR IN THE FUTURE TO LOCATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE MAP ON THE LEFT ARE NOT READILY VISIBLE OR LEGIBLE NECESSARILY.

BUT WHAT THE DIFFERENT COLOR COMBINATIONS REPRESENT, REGARDLESS OF THE QUADRANT, IS THAT THE CITY HAS BOTH EXISTING AS WELL AS POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOCATIONS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

AND YOU MAY NOT SEE AS MANY COLORED POLYGONS IN THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST QUADRANTS, BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY, MASTERPLAN COMMUNITIES IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT VILLAGES OF LA COSTA, [INAUDIBLE] RANCH, RANCHO CORRIO ALL HAD AFFORDABLE COMPONENTS AND ALL FEATURE EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS TO THE TUNE OF SEVERAL HUNDRED UNITS THAT DO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THE SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD.

AND THIS SLIDE JUST EMPHASIZES THAT IF WE BREAK DOWN THOSE AFFORDABLE PROJECTS THAT ARE RESTRICTED TO BE AFFORDABLE BY QUADRANT, IF WE LOOK AT APPROVED UNBUILT, AFFORDABLE PROJECTS, PROJECTS, UNITS THAT MIGHT RESULT FROM VACANT LAND TODAY, AS WELL AS ADDING IN HOUSING ELEMENT APPENDIX C SITES, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS WOULD BREAK DOWN PER QUADRANT.

THE INTERESTING THING TO NOTICE IS BASED ON EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS ALONE, ACTUALLY THE GREATEST NUMBER IS TO THE SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD.

THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST QUADRANTS ARE NEARLY NECK AND NECK.

ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT IF WE ADD IN HOUSING ELEMENT APPENDIX C SITES IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, YOU CAN SEE THAT NUMBER IN THE NORTHWEST FAR EXCEEDS THE OTHER QUADRANTS IN TERMS OF TOTALS.

BUT THERE'S ONE IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO MENTION WITH REGARDS TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS THAT ONE THOUSAND OF THE UNITS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT APPENDIX C SITE ACTUALLY RESULT FROM SIMPLY ONE SITE, AND THAT IS THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD PARKING LOT.

THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THE ACTUAL MALL BUILDINGS ITSELF IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

IF THAT PROPERTY WERE TO REDEVELOP RESIDENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY A THOUSAND UNITS COULD BE GENERATED.

IF THOSE THOUSAND UNITS WERE REMOVED JUST FROM THAT SITE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT NUMBERS WOULD BE MUCH MORE SIMILAR TO THE NUMBERS IN THE OTHER QUADRANTS.

AND LET'S WRAP THIS UP AS WE'RE COMING AROUND THIRD BASE.

NOW TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION.

I DO WANT TO DISCUSS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN BRIEFLY.

AND THE GOAL WITH THIS PLAN IS TO PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL WITH INPUT FROM AS BROAD A SECTION OF STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN HOUSING ISSUES AS POSSIBLE.

AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE IN DOING THAT IS TO PROVIDE INPUT FROM THOSE STAKEHOLDERS, TO HELP THE CITY COUNCIL, TO HELP STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY IN DETERMINING WHERE FUTURE HOUSING SITES SHOULD GO IN ORDER TO MEET STATE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'LL MEET THIS GOAL THROUGH A NUMBER OF WAYS.

WE BELIEVE IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, IT IDENTIFIES A NUMBER OF OUTREACH PLAN HIGHLIGHTS, THIS IS ONE OF THE EXHIBITS TO YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT SAYS THESE CONCEPTUAL MAPS, THESE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES, HERE'S HOW WE WANT TO PRESENT THEM TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET THAT INPUT AND THEN PROVIDE THAT INPUT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WITH CITY COUNCIL'S CONCURRENCE AND DIRECTION.

WE WILL SOON AFTER THIS MEETING BEGIN A 45 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THAT WILL FEATURE COMMUNITY INPUT, BOTH ONLINE VIRTUALLY AND IN PERSON.

IF THAT'S PERMITTED BY COVID RESTRICTIONS, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS PRESENTATIONS TO LOCAL GROUPS.

IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR INFORMATIONAL DISPLAYS AT CITY FACILITIES SUCH AS LIBRARIES TO CERTAINLY PEAK THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST, AS WELL AS TO INFORM THEM ABOUT THIS EFFORT TO MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS.

IN ADDITION, WE'LL PLAN, SPECIFIC OUTREACH AS WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, TO RESIDENTS WHO ARE SPANISH SPEAKING.

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IN ADDITION, WE DID MAIL NOTICES AS WELL TO OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS SURROUNDING THOSE SPECIFIC HOUSING SITES.

THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE NOTICED WERE THOSE WHO LIVE WITHIN OR WHO RESIDE WITHIN OUR OWN PROPERTY WITHIN A 600 FOOT RADIUS OF THOSE APPENDIX C HOUSING ELEMENT SITES.

AND OF COURSE, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE USED DIFFERENT ELECTRONIC MEANS, WHETHER AN UPDATE ON THE WEBSITE, A POST IN THE CITY MANAGER'S NEWSLETTER, AS WELL AS AN E BLAST TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS INITIAL LAUNCH OF GETTING PUBLIC INPUT ON HOUSING ELEMENT SITES.

AND IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE EXCITING FEATURES WITH REGARDS TO OUTREACH, WE DO PLAN AN INTERACTIVE MAP THAT PEOPLE CAN GO ONTO THE CITY'S WEBSITE TO FIND INFORMATION THAT WILL ENABLE THEM TO ZOOM IN AND ZOOM OUT WITH REGARDS TO ANY OF THE DIFFERENT HOUSING ELEMENT SITES.

THEY ALSO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MAP OPTIONS.

THE MAP OPTION ON THE LEFT, THE TOPOGRAPHIC LAYER PROVIDES DETAILS ABOUT THINGS LIKE WHERE PARKS ARE LOCATED.

IT CALLS OUT SHOPPING CENTERS AND OTHER FEATURES IN ADDITION, AND IT ENABLES ANYBODY WHO'S TAKING THE SURVEY TO TYPE IN HIS OR HER ADDRESS AND ZOOM IN ON A PARTICULAR LOCATION.

IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES, AS THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS TO CLICK ON ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTED PARCELS THAT REPRESENTS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL HOUSING ELEMENT SITES, AN INFORMATION BOX WILL POP UP AND THEN INFORMATION BOX LEADS TO EVEN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING INCOME CATEGORIES, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE OUTREACH THAT WE INTEND TO DO, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARDS TO ONLINE AND THE INTERACTIVE MAP THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE.

SO CONCLUDING HERE WITH, FIRST OF ALL, THE NEXT STEPS, WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PUBLIC OUTREACH PHASE.

EACH ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS THAT'S IDENTIFIED HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO WEIGH IN WITH REGARDS TO SITES, WHETHER IT'S A PART OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WOULD BEGIN FOLLOWING THE CITY COUNCIL'S MEETING, WHETHER IT'S WHEN WE RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL IN WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE EARLY 2022 TO SHARE WITH YOU THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC AND ALSO TO REQUEST FOR NEW DIRECTION ON THE SITES TO ACTUALLY BEGIN TO STUDY AND FORMALLY PROPOSE TO REZONE.

FOLLOWING THAT DIRECTION IN EARLY 2022, WE WILL SPEND THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR IN PREPARATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT, WHICH AGAIN WILL BE RELEASED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND INPUT.

FOLLOWING THAT, THEN WE WILL EVENTUALLY HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND AT THAT TIME FORMALLY PROPOSE AND SEEK A DECISION MAKER.

APPROVAL OF ACTUAL LAND USE, CHANGES TO HELP MEET OUR HOUSING ELEMENT SITE NEEDS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ITEM.

AND THE FIRST ITEM THAT YOU APPROVE BY MOTION WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE TWO CONCEPTUAL REZONING MAPS FOR PUBLIC REVIEW, ALSO TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN.

AND THEN FINALLY, DIRECT STAFF TO RELEASE THESE CONCEPTUAL REZONING MAPS FOR PUBLIC REVIEW INPUT AND RETURN TO YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, WITH THE RESULTS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT THAT WAS VERY, VERY WELL DONE AND A LOT OF DEPTH ON THAT WEBSITE ALONE.

I THINK THE INTERACTION THE WEBSITE IS VERY CREATIVE AND WILL BE VERY HELPFUL AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS CHARLES L.

AT ZERO NINE NINE NINE.

IF IF THE SPEAKER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

CHARLES L.

HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S ME AGAIN, CHARLES L.

ADVOCATE FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS NEAR SITE 13, THE VOICE OF THE SILENT MAJORITY, THE FELLOW WITH THE SAMUEL ADAMS ROLE FOR OUR [INAUDIBLE].

[INAUDIBLE] YOUR HARD EARNED GOOD FORTUNE.

MY OTHER ROLE IS HOMEMAKER.

YES, I'M A MALE HOMEMAKER, PROGRESSIVE, RIGHT? A WONDERFUL POSITION TO BE IN.

IT CERTAINLY HAS ALLOWED ME TO ATTEND ALL THESE MEETINGS.

BUT THEN AGAIN, FROM TIME TO TIME, MY WIFE WILL ASK, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET A JOB? YOU'RE THE SMARTEST PERSON I KNOW; GO START SOMETHING.

YOU SHOULD FIND A JOB.

I TOLD HER I ALREADY HAVE ONE SPEAKING AT OR CALLING INTO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

OF COURSE, THERE IS NO BENEFITS, NO PAY.

BUT I DIGRESS.

WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO DISCUSS TODAY HOW PLEASED WE ARE WITH THE TWO MAPS THE STAFF HAVE CREATED.

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THESE MAPS ARE A WELCOME SIGHT TO MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND RESIDENTS WHO SIGNED OUR PETITION, WE WHO MAKE UP PROTECT AVIARA WISH TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE WOULD BE JUST AS OPPOSED TO MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONDOS AS WE ARE TO REZONING FOR LOW INCOME APARTMENTS.

WE RECOGNIZE THAT ONE LANDOWNER WHO'D BE RICHLY REWARDED BY REZONING HER PROPERTY, PREVIOUSLY WROTE TO THE CITY, STATING SHE BELIEVED A SMALL MINORITY OF LOCALS OPPOSED TO THE GREATER GOOD AND THE CITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DERAIL THE PROCESS.

ANOTHER LANDOWNER, WHO STANDS FINANCIALLY PROFIT FROM UP-ZONING, WROTE THAT THE EFFORT SHOULD NOT BE DERAILED BY A MOVEMENT BASED ON FEAR.

WE WISH TO ASSURE YOU THAT OUR MOVEMENT IS NOT BASED ON FEAR.

IT IS BASED ON FAIRNESS TO CURRENT HOMEOWNERS.

IT'S BASED ON SAFETY AND IT'S BASED ON ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND FIGHTING STATE OVERREACH.

OUR MOVEMENT IS BASED ON SCANT PUBLIC AWARENESS LEADING UP TO THE APRIL SIXTH MEETING.

IT'S ABOUT HOW SITE 13 DOES NOT FIT HAT SACRAMENTO WANTED.

IT'S ABOUT FIGHTING GREED AND IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SERVANTS SERVING THE PUBLIC.

COUNCILMAN BLACKBURN WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT RULES PREVENT YOU FROM HAVING A VOICE IN THIS MATTER.

IF YOU DID, WE PRESUME THAT YOU WOULD SIDE WITH THE VOTERS THAT YOU REPRESENT.

IT IS THROUGH NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN THAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO VOTE ON SITE 13.

PLEASE DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT THIS WAS LOST ON US.

MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA YOU HAVE BOTH PROVEN YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STAND WITH US IN THE PAST.

YOU'VE ACTIVELY LISTENED AND DEMONSTRATED EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING.

MOREOVER, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT YOU JUST CAN'T FIT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE, ESPECIALLY AGAINST THE PLEAS OF SO MANY TAXPAYING VOTERS.

WE HOPE THAT WE CAN COUNT ON YOU NOW TO STAND WITH US AGAIN.

DR. BHAT-PATEL, YOU TOO DESERVE PRAISE.

YOUR WILLINGNESS TO MAKE SITE THIRTEEN A LOW PRIORITY HAS CERTAINLY HELPED LEAD TO ITS EXCLUSION FROM THESE TWO MAPS.

IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE A POLITICIAN STAND BY HER WORDS.

AND YES, WE ALL SEE YOU STANDING BY YOUR WORDS.

SURE, IT'S BEEN BUMPY, BUT HERE WE ARE, THE MOMENT OF TRUTH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL.

SO PLEASE APPROVE EITHER OF THESE MAPS AS THEY WERE DRAFTED BY STAFF WITHOUT INCLUDING SITE 13.

LET US RESIDENTS WAY UP THAT STEEP HILL ALONG THE TWO LANE SECTION OF POINSETTIA NEAR THAT FIRE HAZARD CANYON, BUT NOWHERE NEAR MASS TRANSIT BY ZERO SERVICES, WORKPLACES, RESTAURANTS, GROCERY STORES OR SIMILAR FACILITIES.

LET US EXHALE AND LET ME GO FIND ANOTHER JOB.

THANK YOU.

ALLISON REIDENBERG AT SIX NINE ONE ONE.

THE CALLER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

ALLISON REIDENBERG.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS, THIS PRESENTATION WE JUST HEARD SAID THAT THE CITIZENS DID NOT WANT A ZONING OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ASKED YOU.

WE'VE ELECTED YOU.

YOU REPRESENT US.

SO PLEASE LISTEN TO US.

SECOND, I HEARD A LOT OF JUSTIFICATION ABOUT HIGH DENSITY AND THAT THERE'S SOME OF THE LOW IN THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH.

WELL, THE NORTH IS OLD AND WE'RE ESTABLISHED.

THE SOUTH IS PLANNED AND PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO MOVE IN WITH DIFFERENT DENSITIES FOR WHATEVER REASON.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCOME.

AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY AND THE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT IS ABSOLUTELY SWAMPED WITH HIGH DENSITY PROPERTIES.

AND YET THEY WANT TO SQUISH MORE HIGH DENSITY INTO THE NUMBER THREE.

AND SO WE ARE ASKING FOR SITE NUMBER THREE TO PLEASE BE REMOVED.

IT IS A SENSITIVE LAND WITH BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES AND IT HAS HIGH TRAFFIC FOR SCHOOLS, ETC. AND ALSO THE CITIZENS ELECTED YOU SAID THEY WANT YOU TO USE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES.

WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THEM? WHY DID YOU MAKE THEM LAST THE LAST PRIORITY? THAT SHOULD BE YOUR FIRST PRIORITY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU WE WANT AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT US.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THESE ISSUES REMOVE SITE THREE BALANCE BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH.

I HAVE BOTH OF YOUR MAPS IN FRONT OF ME, OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO.

THERE'S NOTHING PROPOSED FOR THE SOUTH.

EVERYTHING ONCE AGAIN JAMMED INTO THE NORTH.

AND SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT PLEASE USE INDUSTRIAL SITES.

PLEASE DO NOT UP-ZONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

IN THIS CASE, THESE HOUSES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE OVER FIFTY YEARS.

WE HAVE CHOSEN THIS AREA.

WE HAVE RAISED FAMILIES IN THIS AREA.

DON'T CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY NOW.

THANK YOU.

JOE RIEDENBERG AT SIX NINE ONE TWO.

IF THE SPEAKER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

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I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THE SITE THREE, SO THAT IS CHESNUT AND EL CAMINO.

I JUST THINK IT'S AN EXTREMELY BAD PLACE FOR MULTIPLE HOUSING UNITS.

THERE'S A LOT OF ACCIDENTS.

I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO LIVES IN THIS AREA, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ACCIDENTS RIGHT THERE ON EL CAMINO.

IT IS A BIOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE AREA.

THERE ARE HAWK NESTS, OWL NESTS, IT'S A EXTREMELY STEEP SLOPE.

I JUST URGE YOU TO PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE THE ZONING FOR SITE THREE.

THANK YOU.

CLIFFORD FLOWERS ON THREE NINE ONE SEVEN.

THE CALLER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

CLIFFORD FLOWERS.

YES, THIS IS CLIFF FLOWERS.

I WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO SITE 13, ZONE 20 AND AFTER THE PRESENTATION I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.

SO THANK YOU.

ELIZABETH E.

ON TWO, TWO, FOUR, SIX.

IF THE SPEAKER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

HI, MY NAME IS LIZ, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD AND A LOCAL TO THE AREA, I GREW UP IN THIS AREA AND I'M ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF SITE NUMBER THREE.

THIS IS THE LAND ON CHESTNUT AND EL CAMINO, AND THE LAND IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR R-4 AND THE BUILDERS ARE LOOKING TO UP-ZONE THIS AREA TO R-15.

I GOT THE FLYER THAT IT'S PROPOSED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD APPROXIMATELY TWENTY EIGHT UNITS ON TWO POINT FIVE ACRES.

AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO THREE SCHOOLS, ABOUT LESS THAN A MILE AWAY FROM THESE SCHOOLS, MAGNOLIA, VALLEY AND CARLSBAD.

AND AS A MOTHER OF TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN, I'M JUST GREATLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY HAZARD THAT THIS WOULD CREATE IN THIS AREA.

AND I WOULD STRONGLY URGE YOU TO KEEP THIS AREA AS ZONED AS R-4.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THAT'S THE LAST SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM, MAYOR.

OK, LET'S GO TO QUESTIONS WHO WOULD LIKE TO.

YES, DOCTOR, YOUR HANDS UP FIRST.

OK, THANK YOU.

WELL, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.

I KNOW THIS WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING AND I KNOW SPECIFICALLY THE DIRECTION THAT I'VE GIVEN WITH REGARDS TO PUTTING A LOW PRIORITY ON SITE 13.

I APPRECIATE THAT BOTH THE MAPS THAT CAME BACK DO NOT INCLUDE THOSE.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT WORK OUT.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE ARE GOING TO FEEL EXCITED AND COMFORTABLE AS WE MOVE FORWARD IF WE DID DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION TODAY.

AND I CAN JUST SAY THAT, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF, I DO INTEND ON MOVING FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION AND I'LL SEE WHERE MY COLLEAGUES LAND.

SO IN TERMS OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO I KNOW THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MULTIPLE SITES ON HERE AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE NOW COME TO.

AND THIS IS PART OF A PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH.

AND I JUST WANTED TO IF YOU COULD, JUST TO REITERATE, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S PLEASURE, EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE TODAY ONCE WE TAKE THAT RECOMMENDED ACTION THAT YOU ALL HAVE PUT BEFORE US.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE NEXT? AND I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT JUST SUCCINCTLY, IF WE COULD REITERATE IT SO THAT FOLKS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

SO WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TODAY IS CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND ANY DIRECTION WITH REGARDS TO REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

OUR PURPOSE IN COMING TO YOU IS TO PREVENT CONCEPTUAL MAPS, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT ON THOSE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES AS IDENTIFIED ON TWO MAPS.

SO REALLY, WE'RE SEEKING TO LAUNCH THAT PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD.

AND AFTER THAT OCCURS WITH CITY COUNCIL'S CONCURRENCE, WE WILL THEN COMPILE THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVE AND WE WILL PRESENT THEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING PROBABLY EARLY NEXT YEAR, ALONG WITH PRESENTING THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVE.

WE WILL ASK ALSO FOR CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON THE SITES TO STUDY, TO FORMALLY

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THANK YOU.

AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME YOU KNOW, SOME QUESTIONS AROUND CERTAIN AREAS OF THE DIFFERENT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT QUADRANTS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR CITY.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN HOW MANY MORE UNITS ARE ABLE TO FIT INTO EACH QUADRANT? I KNOW THOSE WERE INVALIDATED, BUT JUST BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE I KNOW FOLKS ARE SAYING, HEY, THERE'S MUCH MORE UP HERE VERSUS DOWN SOUTH.

SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BASE IT OFF OF THAT QUESTION.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNITS THAT COULD STILL BE BUILT BASED ON CURRENT MANAGEMENT CAPS, FOR EXAMPLE? YES.

I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT MY FINGERTIPS.

IT'S PERHAPS SOMETHING WE COULD GET FOR YOU AND PROVIDE LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION.

SURE.

THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.

YEAH.

AND THEN SO JUST A FEW MORE QUESTIONS HERE AND THEN I HAVE COMMENTS FOR WHENEVER THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE.

BUT IF A SITE IS DEEMED BY THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET TO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PORTION OF IT, LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND FOLKS ARE NOT OPEN TO IT.

WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, OF COURSE, IT GETS PRESENTED TO US AND WE THEN DISCUSS IT.

BUT WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS AND WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THERE COULD BE, LET'S JUST SAY, AN EASY SWAP IF WE HAD TO MAKE IT.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE TO.

THANK YOU.

SO CERTAINLY WE WOULD COMPILE ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND TRY TO PROVIDE AN INDICATION TO YOU AS TO WHAT SITES ARE FAVORED OR DISFAVORED AND PRESENT ALTERNATIVES TO YOU AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME.

THERE MAY BE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED NOW OR THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED THEN THAT COULD SERVE AS AN ALTERNATE IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE TO, SAY, DELETE A SITE.

ANOTHER POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE MIGHT BE TO REDUCE DENSITY.

FOR EXAMPLE, A SITE THAT MAYBE IS DESIGNATED AS LOWER INCOME HOUSING COULD BE INSTEAD REDUCED TO A MODERATE INCOME HOUSING.

AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PALATABLE TO THE COMMUNITY WHILE STILL HELPING US TO MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS.

THANK YOU, THAT'S HELPFUL AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THINGS AND THEN I KNOW, I'M SURE I THINK, SCOTT, YOU OR MR. DONNELL YOU ALSO MIGHT HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL AS WELL REGARDING STATE AID.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

I KNOW THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT AROUND 2:00 P.M.

TODAY REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR SITE AND THERE WAS MENTION OF THE DEMOLITION OF COTTAGE ROW.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY UNDER CONSIDERATION IF THAT SITE WERE TO MOVE, MOVE FORWARD.

AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD.

CORRECT, IT'S JUST A POTENTIAL SITE.

AND POTENTIALLY, IF THIS WERE RE-DESIGNATED FOR HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, THOSE EXISTING UNITS COULD BE DEMOLISHED.

THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING, THOUGH, THAT COULD OCCUR UNDER CURRENT ZONING.

THIS EFFORT TO RE-DESIGNATE PROPERTIES, IF THAT WOULD OCCUR, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE SITE WOULD BE REDEVELOPED AND THAT THOSE UNITS WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.

IT JUST MEANS THAT THE LAND USE DESIGNATION WOULD CHANGE.

AND THERE'S THE POTENTIAL PERHAPS FOR HIGHER DENSITY.

OK, AND THAT IS ALREADY, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT CAN ALREADY HAPPEN ANYWAY UNDER CURRENT LAND USE.

CORRECT.

OK, AND THEN LET'S SEE HERE, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I ASKED EVERYTHING.

OK, AND JUST TO CONFIRM, WE HAVE ABOUT A 30 PERCENT BUFFER THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED.

CORRECT.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, IT'S ABOUT A 30 PERCENT BUFFER.

YES.

OK, THANK YOU.

AND THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, I JUST HAVE COMMENTS MOVING FORWARD.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YES, THANK YOU.

I'LL START WITH A QUESTION THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE ABOUT THE BUFFER WE PREPARED THE INITIAL HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE WITH A 30 PERCENT BUFFER.

RIGHT.

AND THEN WE THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR THE PONTO SITE TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT AND FOR SITES, 13 TO BE PRIORITIZED.

SO WITHOUT THOSE, WHAT KIND OF BUFFER ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITHOUT THOSE? WELL, AND THE OFFER THAT WE'RE ESTIMATING NOW, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION

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SO IT'S BASED ON A SITE'S INVENTORY WITH EITHER PONTO OR THE SITE 13.

SO WE'RE AT LIKE 27 PERCENT BUFFER OR 30 PERCENT? WELL, THE BUFFER IS ACTUALLY BASED ON THE ORIGINAL RHNA ESTIMATE.

SO PRIOR TO REDUCING ANY EXISTING PROJECTS, PENDING PROJECTS, IT'S JUST BASED ON THE INITIAL OR THE RAW NUMBER, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO IT'S 30 PERCENT OF THAT INITIAL FIGURE IS WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR THE BUFFER IN THE TWO INCOME CATEGORIES? OK, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEED TO ADD THESE ADDITIONAL SEVEN SITES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING ADDITIONAL THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS AN EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE CITY.

IF WE REMOVED A COUPLE OF THEM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN THAT PART OF THE CITY.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT THE SITES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, EVEN WITHOUT THE PONTO PROPERTY IN THE SITE 13, DO SATISFY OUR RHNA NEEDS WITH A 30 PERCENT BUFFER.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ONE COMPONENT, IT SATISFIES WITH A 30 PERCENT BUFFER FOR OUR LOWER INCOME, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS FOR THE MODERATE INCOME.

HOWEVER, THOSE HIGHER UNITS IN THE LOWER INCOME COULD ACCOUNT FOR THOSE OTHER ONES.

SO AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE BUFFER.

I UNDERSTOOD THAT AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT.

I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE LOWER INCOME UNITS COULD COUNT TOWARDS THE MODERATE NUMBER, BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND IT.

IF I MIGHT ALSO ADD A CLARIFICATION.

SO THE ALTERNATIVE SITES, YOU MENTIONED THE QUESTION OF ADDING THEM, WE WOULDN'T BE SUGGESTING THAT YOU ADD THEM TO THE LIST.

THEY WOULD BE ALTERNATIVES TO REMOVING SOMETHING FROM THE LIST, REPLACING IT WITH ONE OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES.

SO WITHOUT IF WE ADDED ANY OF THE ALTERNATIVE SITES WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER, THE 30 PERCENT BUFFER.

RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD AN ALTERNATIVE SITE, ONE OF THOSE SITES, AND STAY IN THE 30 PERCENT BUFFER, IT WOULD MEAN REMOVING SOME OTHER SITES ON ONE OF THE MAPS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES MAKE SENSE.

THANK YOU.

AND SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THOSE TWO AND FOR EQUITY REASONS IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE CITY, WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF OTHERS.

THIS IS LIKE FALLBACKS IN CASE SOMETHING ELSE DOESN'T WORK OUT.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS KIND OF A WAIT LIST, LIKE AN UNDERSTUDY TO BE AVAILABLE IN CASE WE NEEDED THAT ADDITIONAL OPTION TO LOOK AT.

RIGHT.

BUT WE'VE GOT SEVEN.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE HAVE SO MANY SEVEN WHEN THERE ARE JUST TWO IN TERMS OF OR MAYBE IT WAS LIKE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED IN READING THROUGH THE AGENDA PACKET AND LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE A LOT MORE THAN JUST A COUPLE OF SITES WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

WE HAVEN'T DONE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THE OWNERS, FOR THE MOST PART, ARE INTERESTED.

ONLY A COUPLE OF THEM HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST.

I SAW THAT REALLY GREAT TABLE THAT YOU PROVIDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET WHERE YOU INDICATED A COUPLE OF THE OWNERS WERE INTERESTED.

SO, I LIKE THE MAPS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT OUR OPTIONS AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OPTION 1B IS TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL SITES.

AND YOU'VE PRESENTED SEVEN ALTERNATIVE SITES THAT WE COULD HAVE AS THIS FALLBACK LIST IF SOME OTHER SITES DON'T WORK OUT.

AND I THINK SEVEN IS TOO MUCH, I THINK JUST A COUPLE MIGHT MIGHT BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THESE SITES HAVEN'T BEEN VETTED BY THE COMMUNITY I AM REALLY CLOSELY ATTUNED TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ENOUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, ON THOSE ADDITIONAL SITES AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M THINKING.

BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

MR. BLACKBURN.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BOTH COUNCIL MEMBER, BHAT-PATEL AND ACOSTA.

I ASKED ALL THE SAME QUESTIONS I HAD LISTED, SO AS THEY WERE SPEAKING, I WAS CROSSING THEM ALL OFF.

SO I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT THANK YOU.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF, COULD YOU RESPOND ONE OF THE SPEAKERS TALKED ABOUT INDUSTRIAL SITES AND WHY WE DON'T CHOOSE INDUSTRIAL SITES TO BE SOME PREFERRED FOR HOUSING.

AND OF COURSE, THE COMMUNITY INPUT WAS TO PREFER INDUSTRIAL SITES AND THE HEAC

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SOME REASONS WHY INDUSTRIAL SITES MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS WOULD BE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY COULD IMPOSE ON SURROUNDING USES, POTENTIALLY.

THERE MIGHT BE WORK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO DETERMINE WHAT, IF ANY KIND OF BUFFER WOULD BE REQUIRED OR WHAT MEASURES ADDITIONAL USES AROUND A RESIDENTIAL SITE WOULD NEED TO TAKE.

AND THEN KIND OF THE OPPOSITE TAKES EFFECT AS WELL.

THE SURROUNDINGS MAY IMPACT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, WHETHER THROUGH NOISE OR ODOR OR TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED.

SO THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUSES ASSOCIATED WITH INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS.

AND ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS CORRIDORS.

SO THEY COULD PUT PEOPLE CLOSER TO JOBS.

THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A PLUS.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES, THOUGH, IS HEALTH AND SAFETY, IS IT NOT? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD ANALYZE IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER AN INDUSTRIAL SITE AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS WOULD BE ANALYZED AND DETERMINED.

OK, AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHEN WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE, IT ONLY SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION IN AND AROUND SCHOOLS AND WHETHER THE SCHOOLS HAVE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE FUTURE STUDENTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I WOULD HAVE IS, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SPECIFIC OUTREACH TO EACH OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO GET THEM INVOLVED SOONER THAN LATER? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LAST TIME WE DID THIS, THAT ENDED UP BEING ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS TOWARDS THE END.

YES, MR. MAYOR, WE WILL CONDUCT OUTREACH TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ALSO REQUIRED TO STUDY IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT AND LOOK AT CAPACITIES OF THE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND WHAT STUDENT RATES WILL BE GENERATED BY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE AREAS.

BUT WE'LL ABSOLUTELY CONDUCT OUTREACH TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

AND SO THAT INCLUDES ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS, JUST NOT CARLSBAD UNIFIED, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

ANY SCHOOL DISTRICTS? THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED.

OK.

THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN, IS JUST HAVING BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE ADEQUATE SCHOOL--THE CLASSROOMS BECAME A BIG QUESTION IN SOME OF THE AREAS.

SO.

YES, MR. MURPHY.

I'M SORRY TO BELABOR THE ALTERNATIVE SITES, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL'S CLEAR.

THE ADDITION OF THOSE SITES NOT ALL OF THEM ARE NEEDED IN ORDER TO COVER THE LOSS OF THE PONTO SITE AND SITE 13.

LOOKING AT OUR ASSESSMENT AREA [INAUDIBLE] WHAT AREAS WERE VACANT, WHAT WERE PRIVATELY OWNED AND WHAT POSSIBLY COULD BE RE-ZONED TO ALLOW FOR HOUSING.

AS YOU COULD SEE FROM A LOT OF THESE SITES, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, WHETHER IT'S A SITE CONSTRAINT, WHETHER IT'S HABITAT, WHETHER IT'S SLOPES, WHETHER IT'S ACCESS.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY THESE SITES WEREN'T INITIALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE INITIAL ROUND OF SITE SELECTION WHEN THE HOUSING ELEMENT WAS PRESENTED BACK IN APRIL.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE SITES THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED, THE COUNCIL MAY NOT WANT ALL THE SITES, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT ON THOSE SITES, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR US TO INCLUDE THEM ON ONE, IF NOT BOTH MAPS, JUST TO START THAT ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THOSE SITES.

AND THEN WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU EARLY NEXT YEAR.

OK, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

MR. BLACKBURN.

MR. MURPHY, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND TELL ME IF I'M GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH ADDING THOSE TO THE MAP IS THAT THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAD WITH ZONE 13.

WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A CONCERN THAT THEY ARE NOW IDENTIFIED AS PIECES OF PROPERTY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP-ZONED, AND THEN ALL THE NEIGHBORS WILL LOSE SLEEP AND HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT.

AND IT MIGHT BE PREMATURE TO CREATE ALL THOSE ISSUES FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS.

IS THAT ACCURATE? WELL, PART OF THE SUCCESS OF THIS IS GOING TO BE HOW WE MESSAGE THIS EFFORT WITH THE COMMUNITY, EXPLAIN THAT THERE IS NO PROPOSAL TO UP-ZONE.

THESE ARE JUST CONCEPTS TO GET THIS INITIAL FEEDBACK.

HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A SITE THAT THE COUNCIL FEELS STRONGLY THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE UP-ZONED IN ANY WAY, THEN THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS TO [INAUDIBLE] TO EXCLUDE OR NOT INCLUDE THAT IN OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

JUST AS A COMMENT, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THE DETAILS, BUT WHEN THAT INFORMATION GETS OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS, IT TAKES ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN AND IT CREATES A LOT OF CONCERN, A LOT OF LOST SLEEP AND A LOT OF NEGATIVE ENERGY AROUND IT.

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JUST BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS DOESN'T MEAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS GOING TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT.

OR I'LL JUST USE AN EXAMPLE, JUST PERSONALLY.

I CAN SEE HOW IF IT WAS BEING DISCUSSED AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE, I WOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AND I'D BE DWELLING ON THAT.

AND I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE OUR RESIDENTS THAT HEARTBURN IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

AND JUST, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMENT TO THAT, I MEAN, THE FUN IS JUST BEGINNING.

AND SO AS WE DIVE INTO THE DETAIL ON ALL THESE SITES AND THE REASON I BROUGHT UP SCHOOLS IS WE GOT ALMOST TO THE END OF THE PROCESS, IF I REMEMBER.

RIGHT.

AND SCHOOLS BECAME A BIG ISSUE.

AND SO THEN BECOME WHAT ARE YOUR FALLBACK POSITIONS IF YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED THOSE SITES AND YOU GET YOU START TO RUN YOURSELF OUT OF TIME.

IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK THEN AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO OTHER SITES BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE THE SCHOOLS QUESTION.

SO AND I'M WILLING TO PICK AND CHOOSE IF YOU WANT, BUT I THINK TRYING TO HAVE MORE IN THERE WITH CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WILL, WILL HELP US IN THE END VERSUS NOT.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? I'M READY WITH MY COMMENTS.

I KNOW THAT BOTH COUNCIL MEMBER, BHAT-PATEL AND I COVER THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT AND I SAW THAT SEVERAL OF THE SITES WERE IN HER DISTRICT AND WANT TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO HER, IF SHE HAS COMMENTS, FIRST.

DR.

BHAT-PATEL, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND.

YEAH, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH, I THINK I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON SOME OF THOSE SITES, JUST SPECIFICALLY MY GUT REACTION TO SEEING SOME OF THEM ON THERE AND THEN, OF COURSE, SOME OTHERS.

I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND IF WE FEEL THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE ANY OF THESE SITES, IF WE FEEL WE DON'T NEED TO AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS PRESENTED, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ONES THAT I'M HAVING HEARTBURN WITH, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED.

BUT BASICALLY WITH REGARDS TO AMBROSIA LANE, I MEAN, I WENT TO SCHOOL AT AVIARA I'VE SEEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST 20 YEARS HOW, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN AT SCHOOL THERE, HOW OVERLY POPULATED THAT AREA ALREADY IS, AND JUST KNOWING THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING OPTIONS, ALSO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING RESIDENCES OVER THAT WAY.

I JUST FEEL THAT IT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHAOTIC FOR THAT PARTICULAR REGION.

AND I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THAT ONE IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST BE, FOR ME, A NO GO AS SOMEBODY WHO REPRESENTS THIS AREA AND KNOWS THIS AREA PRETTY DEEPLY.

AND I'M SURE IF I WERE TOUCH BASE WITH SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT FOLKS OUT THERE, THEY WOULD FEEL SIMILARLY BLUE HERON SIMILAR ALSO TO ME THAT I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES SUGGESTED.

AND THEN HUMMINGBIRD ROAD, I KNOW THAT'S A PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT I SEE IT HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SELLING.

AND I THINK JUST IN GENERAL, THAT PARTICULAR AREA ALREADY HAS A LOT OF, AGAIN, MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S ACTUALLY CURRENTLY USED AS A CUT THROUGH A LOT OF TIMES.

AND I THINK WE WOULD JUST END UP AND I KNOW THAT'S YOUR DISTRICT.

I KNOW I JUST SPOKE INTO TO YOUR DISTRICT, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, BUT I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA AS WELL AND KNOW THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT FOLKS MAY NOT BE AS EXCITED ABOUT.

AND IT DOES LEAD INTO AVIARA OAKS AS WELL IF YOU WERE TO GO FROM THE BACK.

SO JUST JUST THOSE WERE THE THREE THAT I HAD SOME HEARTBURN WITH.

I KNOW THERE IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WERE MENTIONED ALSO LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE NCTD PROPERTY THAT'S MORE NCTD AND WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO WITH IT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT IS ONE THAT IS NEAR TRANSIT.

IF WE ARE CONSIDERING AND WE HAVE SAID, HEY, WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO TRANSIT, CLOSER TO AMENITIES, THAT IS ONE THAT IS CLOSER TO TRANSIT, CLOSER TO AMENITIES.

I DO, HOWEVER, UNDERSTAND WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN WAS SAYING, THAT IF WE WERE TO DESIGNATE THAT THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY NEIGHBORS THAT MIGHT POTENTIALLY FEEL DIFFERENTLY.

I KNOW THIS IS JUST THAT OUTREACH PIECE, SO JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE THAT THIS WAS ONE THAT I KNOW WHEN COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE CALLING IN, THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD WANT SOMETHING CLOSER TO TRANSIT.

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SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT ONE OUT THERE TO THE ONES THAT WERE INTERESTING.

AND I KNOW FOLKS ARE POTENTIALLY BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED.

AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE OR LA COSTA GLEN, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS DEFINITELY INTERESTING.

NORTH PONTO PARCELS I THINK THERE WAS JUST ONE PERSON THAT YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO GET SOME CONFIRMATION ON, BUT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THOSE OUT THERE.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY.

BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY OF THE SEVEN, THOSE THREE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER ARE ONES THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT WANT TO CONSIDER.

I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY.

IF YOU FEEL THAT WE WOULD WANT TO EVEN CONSIDER INCORPORATING THESE OTHER FOUR THAT I HAVE LEFT OFF OF COMPLETE CONSIDERATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM MY OTHER COLLEAGUES.

SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TAKE SOME TIME.

JUST AS A COMMENT BACK, DOCTOR, SO THAT'S FIVE SITES IN YOUR AREA THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF THE LIST.

WELL, THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY ALREADY ON THE LIST, THESE WERE SEVEN SITES THAT WERE CONSIDERED AS POTENTIAL SWAP OUTS FOR SITE 13 AND FOR PONTO.

SO IT'S NOT TAKING AWAY FIVE SITES, BASICALLY.

IT'S JUST MAKING IT WOULD LIMIT THE OPTIONS FOR US TO THEN SUBSTITUTE SITE 13 AND PONTO.

BUT HEARING FROM YOU KNOW AND AGAIN, I'LL LET MR. MURPHY, MR. DONELL OR MR. BARBERIO JUMP IN HERE.

BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, EVEN WITHOUT ANY OF THESE CONSIDERED, WE'VE MET OUR CRITERIA FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MAPS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

THIS IS JUST ADDING ON AN EXTRA BUFFER IF WE NEED IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

OK, GREAT.

SO IT WOULD JUST OF THE OPTIONS, IT WOULD JUST END UP THE OPTIONS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, THE THREE OPTIONS THAT I JUST MENTIONED.

AND I KNOW THAT I'M SURE IF WE WERE TO HAVE CONVERSATION AND THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE THREE OPTIONS, AMBROSIA, BLUE HERON AND HUMMINGBIRD, I THINK YOU WOULD FEEL SIMILARLY IF YOU'VE DRIVEN AROUND THERE.

AND SO IT WOULD JUST END UP LIMITING OUR EXTRA CUSHION OPTIONS TO FROM SEVEN TO FOUR.

SO ANYWAYS, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

MS. ACOSTA.

YES, THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, AND I FELT LIKE THEY REALLY KIND OF WERE A NATURAL PROGRESSION FROM THE QUESTIONS WE WERE ASKING OF STAFF ABOUT THIS EXTRA LIST, THIS ADDITIONAL SEVEN CAN TAKE A LOOK AT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN VETTED.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE CHANCE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.

I HAVE A NOTE THAT MY INTERNET CONNECTION IS UNSTABLE, SO HOPEFULLY IT WILL STABILIZE.

BUT I'M ALSO AWARE FROM THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THESE.

THIS WAS REALLY JUST FOR US TO SHOW THAT WE'RE WILLING TO IDENTIFY SITES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND IN PARTICULAR THE AREA WHERE WE TOOK TWO OFF THE TABLE AND THOSE WERE PONTO AND SITE 13.

AND THOSE ARE BOTH IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT.

ONE IS IN COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL'S DISTRICT.

THAT'S THE POINSETTIA SITE THIRTEEN.

AND THEN ONE IS IN MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOUR, AND THAT'S THE PONTO AREA PLANNING AREA.

SO BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION, THE IDEA, THE REASONING, THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT ALL, I WOULD SAY JUST TO PICK A COUPLE AND ONE IN COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL'S, ONE IN MY DISTRICT, AND I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE NCTD SITE BECAUSE NCTD HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST AND IT IS A TREND.

IT WOULD BE A TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT AS SOMETHING FAVORABLE, POSITIVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE TO GET IN THEIR CARS AND HAVE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND CONGEST OUR ROADS AND STREETS AND ROADS AND FREEWAYS.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT I WOULD SAY TO SUGGEST.

AND THEN THE ONE IN MY AREA, I WOULD SAY THE LA COSTA GLEN ONE WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY SOME INTEREST AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHOPPING AREA THERE WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE CAN WALK TO GET GROCERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER THINGS LIKE THAT, THE TRANSIT GETTING OUT OF YOUR CAR, HAVING MOBILITY AND BEING ABLE TO GET THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO LIVE YOUR DAILY LIFE, WHETHER IT'S COMMUTING TO WORK OR GOING TO THE STORE WITHOUT HAVING TO GET IN A CAR AND DRIVE FAR.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO SITES THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND FROM THAT LIST OF SEVEN.

WE DON'T NEED THESE.

WE HAVE THE BUFFER ALREADY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

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AND I WOULD BUT I WOULD PUT A LITTLE NOTE, LIKE IN THE KEY IN THE LEGEND FOR THE MAP THAT THESE ARE EXTRAS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONES THAT I SUPPORT.

JUST THE ONE IN D3 AND THE ONE D4.

AND JUST TO KIND OF YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE MAPS PROVIDE ENOUGH BUFFER THAT WE'RE TARGETING, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 30 PERCENT, BUT IF THE COUNCIL ELECTS TO REMOVE SITES FROM THOSE MAPS, WE WILL START ERODING THAT BUFFER.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE MAPS TO START REMOVING THE SITES.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF ADVISE THE COUNCIL THAT'S A RISK THAT ONCE WE START THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, IF THERE IS STRONG OPPOSITION TO ANY OF THE SITES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE MAPS, WE MAY FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND EVEN MORE SITES TO REPLACE THOSE OR WE JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SITES AS PROPOSED.

THESE TWO ALTERNATE SITES THAT WE'RE THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING WILL BE WOULD BE ABLE TO REPLACE OTHERS PURSUANT TO ANY COMMENTS WE GET FROM FROM THE COMMUNITY ON ANY STRONG OPPOSITION TO CERTAIN SITES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ON ONE OF THE TWO MAPS.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, DOCTOR.

YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT.

I MEAN, SIMILAR TO KIND OF THE COMMITMENT THAT THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT HAD MADE WHERE IT WAS LIKE, HEY, IF WE ARE REMOVING SITE 13 AND PONTO, WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE PARTICULAR UNITS IN OUR PARTICULAR QUADRANT.

I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING WHEN WE'RE REMOVING THOSE PARTICULAR UNITS FROM A DIFFERENT AREA, IS IT NECESSARY TO FIND IT IN THAT PARTICULAR QUADRANT OR IS IT JUST WE CAN REALLOCATE IT TO ANY PART OF THE CITY, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, BECAUSE FROM AGAIN, I KNOW WE MENTIONED THIS FROM THAT WHOLE STANDPOINT OF MAKING SURE THAT EACH QUADRANT IS KIND OF EQUALLY TAKING ON THAT BURDEN.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OF THAT AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

AND LET'S JUST SAY A SITE, FOLKS ARE VERY HEAVILY AGAINST ONE IN A DIFFERENT QUADRANT THAT IT IS THEN THOUGHT ABOUT A REPLACEMENT IS THOUGHT ABOUT IN THAT PARTICULAR QUADRANT.

IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT EACH QUADRANT OF THE CITY BE BALANCED TO OBTAIN A CERTIFIED HOUSING ELEMENT IN THE REZONE PROGRAM, HOWEVER, IT IS SOMETHING THE STATE DOES LOOK AT.

THEY LOOK AT EQUAL DISTRIBUTION AROUND THE CITY.

THEY CALL IT AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING.

SO IT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS IN BALANCING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY, THANK YOU.

MR. BLACKBURN.

THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIST OF THE SEVEN BACKUP PROPERTIES.

WE DID TALK BRIEFLY EARLIER THAT THE SHOPS CAN HOLD ALMOST A THOUSAND UNITS.

THAT WASN'T ON THE MAP OR ON THE BACKUP PROPERTIES, AM I CORRECT? THE SHOPS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE APPENDIX C MAPS, IT'S ALREADY PART OF THE MAPS, IT IS PART OF THE MAPS BECAUSE I'M A REAL FAN OF.

KEEPING THE HOUSING NEAR TRANSPORTATION AND SERVICES, THE SHOPS, NCTD ARE TWO OF THE BEST LOCATIONS FOR THIS.

I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT I HAD THAT RIGHT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FINAL COMMENTS, MS. ACOSTA.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? SURE, I'M HAPPY TO.

I'D JUST BE CURIOUS, MAYOR, I KNOW I HEARD SOME COMMENTS FROM MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN ABOUT POTENTIALLY BEING OPEN TO THE CITY PROPERTY.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WERE SPECIFIC ONES THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL ALL OF US ARE IN CONCURRENCE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND THAT IT WON'T NECESSARILY CAUSE ANY OF US ANY HEARTACHE IF WE ADD ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR SITES.

SO I HEAR MY OTHER COLLEAGUES MENTIONING SITES THAT THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO.

I'D JUST BE CURIOUS IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ONES YOU'RE COMPLETELY NOT OPEN TO OR THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO.

MYSELF? YEAH, FOR YOU, YEAH, YEAH.

FOR ME AT THIS MOMENT TIME, I WOULD KEEP EVERY SITE INVOLVED BECAUSE AS WE GO

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SO TRYING TO REMOVE THEM TODAY IS GOING TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE CHALLENGING, I THINK, AT THE END OF THE PROCESS.

SO YOU'RE LIABLE TO END UP WITH THE PIANO PLAYING BACK IN THE PROCESS IS WHAT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN THIS IF YOU START ELIMINATING TOO MANY SITES.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EASY ON STAFF.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CONVERSATION IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT AND THERE'S A LOT OF WE HAVEN'T GOT INTO REALLY ANY OF THE DETAIL YET.

AND YOU GET OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND FINDING THINGS.

AND THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP SCHOOLS IS THAT WAS AN ISSUE LAST TIME, SCHOOL AND SCHOOL CAPACITY AND NOT HAVING TO GO IN AND HAVE TO BUILD CLASSROOMS OR HAVE SCHOOLS AVAILABLE OR HAVE TO GET KIDS TO MOVE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER TO FIND THOSE CLASSROOMS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M PUSHING BACK A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S NOT THAT I HAVE ANY WANT FOR A SITE OR DISLIKE FOR A SITE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

SO THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.

I HEAR YOU, I THINK JUST BASED ON THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, YOU MENTIONED TWO SITES.

THOSE WERE TWO OF THE FOUR THAT I MENTIONED.

I STILL AM OF THE MINDSET THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE JUST THOSE FOUR OF THE SEVEN, JUST BASED ON KNOWING VERY, VERY DEEPLY THOSE OTHER THREE AREAS.

SO JUST FOR ME, IF I WERE TO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, I WOULD SAY I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE TWO MAPS THAT STAFF HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE OUTREACH, ALL OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU RECEIVED IN MAKING SURE THAT YOU WERE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE.

AND, OF COURSE, ANY DIRECTION THAT WE PROVIDED THAT YOU WERE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE AS WELL.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, LOOKING AT THESE ADDITIONAL SITES AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OK, WHERE ELSE CAN WE IF WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATING SOME MORE UNITS? AND SO BASED ON THAT, FOR ME, I SPECIFICALLY WOULD WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE MAPS, BUT ALSO TO CONSIDER AND YOU CAN MAYBE CITY ATTORNEY BREWER YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME ON THIS ONE IF I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATING THIS APPROPRIATELY, BUT TO CONSIDER THE OPTIONS THAT I HAD MENTIONED, WHICH WOULD BE THE CALTRANS PACIFIC SAILS, NCTD, LA COSTA GLEN AND NORTH PONTO PARCELS.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR ON THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT IF I NEED TO BE.

SECOND, OR MOTION, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT RESPONDING FOR MS. BREWER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.

YES, SO I CONSIDER THAT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TWO MAPS WITH THE FOUR SITES AND EXCLUDING THREE.

THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, AND I'M NOT I'M NOT DEBATING OR TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE, BUT ALSO THE CALTRANS SITE WAS ONE OF THE SITES IN THE LAST MAP AND AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED AT ALL BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT FACILITY FOR THEM AND THEY HAD NO OTHER PLACE TO RELOCATE.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THE PROCESS LAST TIME ALSO.

AND CAN YOU CLARIFY IS PART OF THE MOTION, THE COMMUNICATION PLAN AS WELL.

YES, I CAN INCLUDE THAT.

AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ALSO, MR. MURPHY, AGAIN, I THINK THE QUICKER WE REACH OUT TO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND TRY AND GET THEM EDUCATED ON WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS WILL REALLY SAVE US TIME TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROCESS.

BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT'S WHERE WE STUMBLED LAST TIME WAS, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE SAYING, HEY, WE CAN'T MEET THE FUTURE NEED WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, CLASSROOMS AND SO ON, SO.

WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM EARLY.

ONCE THE ITEM MOVES FORWARD WE'LL REVISE THE MAPS AND THEN WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM BEFORE THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUST TO GIVE THEM OUR EARLY WARNING THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND THEY CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS AS WELL AS TO WHAT CONCERNS THEY RAISE ON THE SITE SELECTION.

AND DOCTOR, JUST IN YOUR AREA, THAT WAS A HUGE CONVERSATION.

I REMEMBER SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE BEING AT THE SCHOOL ONE NIGHT DISCUSSING CLASSROOMS. YES, MS. ACOSTA.

THANK YOU.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, ALTHOUGH I PREFER JUST THE TWO OPTIONS I UNDERSTAND I'M LISTENING CAREFULLY TO THE CONVERSATION, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT APPROVING THESE TWO FOR DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE JUST PUTTING THEM ON THE TABLE FOR OUR CONVERSATION AND OUTREACH TO

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SO I HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

AND I COMPLETELY AGREE.

MY DAUGHTER WENT TO AVIARA OAKS AND I WAS THE MOM SITTING IN THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, WITH MY DAUGHTER.

AND I KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN SOME OF THE AREAS AND HOW SOME OF THESE AREAS ARE GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT.

SO THESE FOUR ARE ONES THAT WE SHOULD TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT AND SEE IF THEY'RE A GOOD POTENTIAL AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT TO THIS.

SO I'M GLAD THAT IS THAT IS WELL THOUGHT THROUGH.

AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO AUGMENT THAT AND EVEN WE INDIVIDUALLY AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYBE WE CAN HELP GET THE WORD OUT AND HELP PROMOTE WHAT THE MESSAGING OF THIS IS YOUR TIME TO WEIGH IN WITH PUBLIC INPUT AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT MOTION AND I'M HAPPY TO SECOND IT.

MR. BLACKBURN.

MORE DISCUSSION, I'M LOOKING AT THE AMBROSIA, BLUE HERON AND HUMMINGBIRD PROPERTIES AND OF COURSE, NOT STANDING ON THE PROPERTY.

I CAN'T PICTURE IT EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE SITUATED, WHAT THEY'RE NEAR.

BUT GOING BACK A FEW MONTHS, WE ASKED THAT ZONE 13 BE MADE A LOW PRIORITY, BUT NOT TAKEN COMPLETELY OFF THE CONSIDERATION LIST AS A COMPROMISE.

WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO IDENTIFY AMBROSIA, BLUE HERON AND HUMMINGBIRD AS THE LOWEST PRIORITY ON THAT BACKUP LIST? AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE THEM OFF LATER, BUT THEN THAT WAY IT SATISFIES THE CONCERN THAT THE MAYOR HAS AND IT WOULD SATISFY MY CONCERN OF I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO STAND ON THAT PROPERTY AND LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE EVEN TALK TO SOME NEIGHBORS? SURE, I'D BE I'D BE OPEN TO THAT IF THEY'RE CONSIDERED A LOW PRIORITY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS COMMUNICATED TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE, THAT THEY ARE BEING CONSIDERED AS A LOW PRIORITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW AND I LOOK TO MR. MURPHY ON THIS ONE TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, IS WHEN WE'RE GOING OUT AND WE'RE DOING THIS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WE'RE LETTING FOLKS KNOW, HEY, THIS IS THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY YOUR COUNCIL AS A LOWER PRIORITY.

BUT WE'RE DOING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AT THIS POINT JUST TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE? I THINK WE CAN PUT A PLAN NOTE ON THE ON THE MAP AND ON THE WEBSITE THAT CLEARLY [INAUDIBLE] THAT.

I BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.

OK, I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA RAISING HER HAND.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YES, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE IDEA THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A 30 PERCENT BUFFER, EVEN HAVING TAKEN OUT SITE 13 AND POINSETTIA AND PONTO.

SO THIS IS WAY, FAR ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD NEED IN TERMS OF A BUFFER.

IF SOME OF THE SITES GET TAKEN OFF, WE WILL STILL NEED OUR STATE RHNA NUMBERS.

WE WILL YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS REALLY EXTRA CAUTIOUS.

AND I'M WONDERING WITH INCLUDING ALL OF THESE, WHAT KIND OF BUFFER ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE AT LIKE A 60 PERCENT BUFFER, BUT ADDING ALL THESE ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL UNITS? SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT THESE WILL BE ADDED TO THE ULTIMATE MAP.

WHAT THE PLAN IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THESE SITES.

BASED ON THAT FEEDBACK, WE'LL CREATE MAYBE ALTERNATIVE MAPS WITH THE PREFERENCES OF THE COMMUNITIES BASED ON THEIR INPUT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL.

WE CAN ACHIEVE OUR RHNA PLUS A BUFFER WITH THESE MAPS.

SO THIS IS JUST TO GET INPUT ON THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.

BASED ON THAT, THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH MAPS THAT MAY LOOK LIKE THIS.

THEY MAY LOOK DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED DURING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

OK, THANK YOU.

THAT'S NOT DIFFERENT FROM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT THANK YOU FOR SO ARTICULATELY WORDING IT.

I STILL FEEL LIKE THIS LIST INCLUDES SOME SITES THAT ARE JUST NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THAT HIGHER DENSITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVEN BEFORE WE GET TO THE COMMUNITY INPUT SECTION.

SO I'M STILL SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL FOUR THE CALTRANS NCTD LA COSTA GLEN AND THE NORTH PONTO AREA.

THAT IS THE MOTION THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE.

BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ENLARGE THAT LIST AND GO TO SEVEN, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING IT.

BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE THAT SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE CURRENT MOTION THAT I SECONDED.

THANK YOU.

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WELL, I'M COUNTING.

I'M LISTENING TO THE DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA SAID WHAT SHE WANTED, THE MAYOR SAID WHAT HE WANTED.

I FEEL AS THOUGH TO GET MY SUPPORT, TO MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I WOULD WANT THEM TO BE LISTED AS LOW PRIORITY.

WE CAN TAKE THEM OFF IN THE FUTURE.

BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO LIMIT ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT THERE, LOOK AT THEM, TALK TO NEIGHBORS AROUND THEM, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THEY WOULD GO FROM NOT EVEN ON THE MAP, NOT EVEN AS A BACKUP.

THEY WOULD BE THE LOW PRIORITY BACKUPS.

AND I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

DR.

BHAT-PATEL JUST WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE FEEL OF THE TEA LEAVES, YOU SAID BEFORE YOU WERE SOMEWHAT IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. BLACKBURN.

SO IF HE MADE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

RIGHT.

SO RIGHT NOW, EITHER COUNCIL MEMBER, BHAT-PATEL CAN TRY AMENDING HER MOTION, BUT IT REQUIRES THE CONSENT OF THE SECOND.

MS. ACOSTA MADE CLEAR THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THE MR. BLACKBURN, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

LET'S SEE WHERE THAT ONE GOES.

OK, THANK YOU FOR EDUCATING ME ON THE PROPER WAY TO HANDLE THIS.

MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE TO TAKE THOSE THREE PROPERTIES AND AMBROSIA, BLUE HERON AND HUMMINGBIRD AND MAKE THEM IDENTIFIED AS THE LOWEST PRIORITY ON THE LIST.

AND YOUR MOTION STILL INCLUDES APPROVAL OF THE MAPS, THE OTHER FOUR SITES AND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN? YES.

OK.

DOCTOR ? SECOND FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, AND I MAY WITHDRAW, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO JUST FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION.

WELL, THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

SO I KNOW.

SO, MAYOR PRO-TEM BLACKBURN, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN AMBROSIA, THIS IS LIKE ON THE TOP OF THE HILL, BASICALLY OF AOMS AVIARA OAKS MIDDLE SCHOOL.

LET ME NOT USE ACRONYMS, YOU KNOW, AND BASICALLY CATTYCORNER TO A BUNCH OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

IF I'M REMEMBERING AND VISUALIZING THIS ACCURATELY AND YOU ALL CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I REMEMBER THIS FROM BACK IN THE DAY, BUT ALSO JUST FROM DRIVING THAT PRETTY FREQUENTLY.

AND USUALLY YOU'LL HAVE PARENTS LINING UP ALL ACROSS AMBROSIA TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR ACTUALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE STREET WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS OR WALKING TO GET THEIR KIDS AND KIDS ARE CROSSING ALL OVER.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS VERY VOCAL ABOUT, HEY, WE SHOULDN'T ADD TO THE CHAOS THAT'S ALREADY THERE, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PRETTY HEAVILY POPULATED.

FOLKS ARE DRIVING AROUND.

AND THEN SIMILARLY FOR BLUE HERON, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT AROUND THERE.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE PARK HYATT THAT'S THERE, TOO.

SO YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE TOURISTS THAT ARE OUT THAT WAY AND DRIVING AROUND.

BATIQUITOS IS PRETTY INTENSE IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC ALREADY.

AND SO THIS WOULD JUST INCREASE THAT PARTICULAR TRAFFIC.

AND THEN THE HUMMINGBIRD ROAD, AS I MENTIONED, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS PRIVATELY OWNED.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT PERSON WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, OF COURSE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT IS ALSO JUST USED AS A CUT THROUGH.

SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY I FELT THAT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO INCORPORATE THESE AND THAT WE COULD LOOK AT ONES THAT WERE CLOSER TO TRANSIT.

OF COURSE, I KNOW THE MAYOR MENTIONED FOR CALTRANS PACIFIC SAILS, WE'VE ENTERTAINED IT PREVIOUSLY, THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY INTERESTED.

IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.

BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT PARTICULAR AREA HAS DEVELOPED QUITE A BIT.

NOW, WE DO HAVE LIKE THE WINDMILL WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY, COSTCO IS RIGHT NEAR THERE.

YOU HAVE THE YOU KNOW, THE MALL, YOU HAVE THE FIVE.

IT'S VERY CLOSE TO MANY OF THE DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR HIGHER DENSITY.

AND THEN NCTD, LA COSTA GLEN, SIMILARLY, AGAIN, THEY'RE CLOSER TO AMENITIES, HAVE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THEN NORTH PONTO PARCELS, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN OWNER INTERESTED.

SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY I FELT THAT PRIORITIZING THOSE FOR AND JUST LIMITING IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

SO I DON'T I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT THERE AND JUST CHECK THEM OUT.

I JUST FELT THAT IF I COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT, MAYBE IT WOULD HELP.

AND SO FOR ME, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT IF WE CAN JUST PRIORITIZE THOSE FOUR AND NOT NECESSARILY PUT THE OTHER THREE AS A LOW PRIORITY.

THE HEARTBURN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT

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AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW JUST HEARING FROM YOU ALL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DECIDED TO PRIORITIZE THOSE FOUR.

AND SO, YEAH, SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.

MR. BLACKBURN.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF, I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART AND I SEE THAT AMBROSIA'S ONLY 10 ACRES BLUE HERON'S ONLY FIVE ACRES, AND YOU DID EXPLAIN SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH AMBROSIA, THAT IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO YIELD WHAT WE WOULD THINK IT WOULD YIELD FOR 10 ACRES.

WOULD YOU REMIND ME OF HUMMINGBIRD, THAT'S THIRTY FOUR AND A HALF ACRES? CORRECT, MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN, IT IS THIRTY FOUR AND A HALF ACRES, IT IS COMPOSED OF TWO PARCELS.

THE GENERAL PLAN HAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT CLUSTERING THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE HUMMINGBIRD ROAD PARCEL TO THE NORTH TOWARD HUMMINGBIRD ROAD, AND THAT'S TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE SENSITIVE RESOURCES AT THE SOUTH END CLOSE TO BATIQUITOS LAGOON.

THE REASON WHY THAT THERE IS A LOW UNIT YIELD ON THE HUMMINGBIRD ROAD PARCEL IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE STATE REALLY SCRUTINIZES ANY SITE WE IDENTIFY AS MORE THAN 10 ACRES IN SIZE.

WE'VE BASED OUR DENSITY YIELD ON THAT 10 ACRE MAXIMUM, BUT THEY SCRUTINIZE ANYTHING ABOVE THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SEE AS POTENTIAL INFEASIBILITY.

UNLIKELIHOOD THAT A PARCEL SO BIG WOULD BE DEVELOPED, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE PLANNING PERIOD.

SO POTENTIALLY WHAT WE ESTIMATE IF A DEVELOPMENT CAME ALONG, IT COULD BE GREATER THAN WHAT WE FORECAST FOR POTENTIAL YIELD.

JUST REMIND ME, WHAT WAS THE UNIT YIELD ON THOSE THIRTY FOUR AND A HALF ACRES? SO DEPENDING ON THE DENSITY, IF WE'RE AT THE LOWEST, ELEVEN AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE, IT WOULD BE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN.

AT 19 UNITS IT WOULD BE ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY UNITS PER ACRE AND AT TWENTY SIX AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE IT WOULD BE TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE UNITS.

AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE BASED ON A 10 ACRE SITE.

THANK YOU AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION WILL BE FOR CITY ATTORNEY, IF I WANT TO WITHDRAW MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND MAKE A NEW SUBSTITUTE MOTION, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? IT WOULD TAKE THE CONSENT OF THE SECOND.

OTHERWISE IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE FLOOR AND REQUIRES SOME DISPOSITIVE ACTION BY THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

OK, DR.

BHAT-PATEL WAS MY SECOND.

I AM FINE WITH WITHDRAWING.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL SECOND YOUR NEXT MOTION, BUT I'M FINE WITH WITHDRAWING THIS MOTION.

I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT COMPROMISE BETWEEN WHAT THE MAYOR'S CONCERN IS, WHICH I ALSO SHARE THAT CONCERN, BUT ALSO THE CONCERN THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS ACOSTA AND BHAT-PATEL HAVE.

SO MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE LAST ONE, BUT WITH THE AGREEMENT TO REMOVE AMBROSIA AND BLUE HERON, BUT NOT HUMMINGBIRD.

BUT TO MAKE HUMMINGBIRD IDENTIFIED AS THE LOWEST PRIORITY.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA ARE YOU SECONDING THAT? NO, I'M NOT.

I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT HUMMINGBIRD, BUT--DOCTOR ARE YOU SECONDING THAT MOTION ? DR. BHAT-PATEL, ARE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD NO? OK.

SO MS. ACOSTA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, I WAS WONDERING IF STAFF COULD DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HUMMINGBIRD TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM, BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT'S THAT BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT AT THE CORNER WHERE WE'RE NOT EVEN ABLE TO PUT THE BATIQUITOS TRAIL THROUGH BECAUSE THE PRIVATE OWNER IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY AND DOESN'T WANT IT.

SO MAYBE SOMEONE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S WHERE THE HORSES ARE AT THE EDGE OF THE BATIQUITOS LAGOON.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

I CAN'T PROVIDE MUCH ON THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY, BUT YES, I HAVE HEARD THE SAME THING WITH REGARDS TO THE TRAIL, THAT THE REASON THE TRAIL ALONG NORTH BATIQUITOS LAGOON IS NOT ALL THE WAY AT LEAST CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY OWNED BY BATIQUITOS LAGOON FOUNDATION IS BECAUSE OF OPPOSITION BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, I BELIEVE MR. MURPHY, TO THE TRAIL CROSSING HIS LAND.

AND IT IS THE VERY LARGE CHUNK OF LAND THAT IS LOCATED SOUTH OF HUMMINGBIRD AND EAST TO BAITIQUITOS DRIVE.

YES, SO THAT AREA IS IN MY DISTRICT.

THANK YOU, MR. DONNELL, AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY.

IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND WON'T BE LETTING THAT PROPERTY GO AS LONG AS HE'S ALIVE TYPE OF THING.

YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF AN OVER MY DEAD BODY TYPE TYPE OF THING.

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SO LET ME ASK THE QUESTION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, MR. MURPHY.

SO AFTER WE ANALYZE ALL THE SITES AND WE GET DOWN TO THE END AND.

WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE, WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, IN THAT CASE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SCRUB THE MAPS AND LOOK FOR OTHER SITES THAT WILL MAKE UP WHATEVER DELTA OR DIFFERENCE THAT WE FIND WE'RE FACED WITH AFTER THE PUBLIC REVIEW AND EVEN AFTER THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS.

OK.

YES, MAYOR, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO GET PUBLIC INPUT AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS OF ALL THOSE SITES.

AND STAFF WILL BE ADVISING THE COUNCIL THAT YOU NEED TO ANALYZE [INAUDIBLE] ENOUGH SITES, MORE SITES THAN NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT IN THE END WE HAVE ENOUGH TO MEET OUR RHNA WITH A BACKER.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT'S IN OUR POWER TO ADVISE YOU APPROPRIATELY, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT AND BALANCING THAT AGAINST THE NEEDS OF US, MEETING THE RHNA WITH A BUFFER AND ENDING UP WITH A SUCCESSFUL MAP.

ONE MAP FOR UP-ZONING AT THE END.

OK, IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENT, ARE WE READY TO CALL THE QUESTION? I'LL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THAT I'M LISTENING TO MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE AWAY THE CHOICES FROM STAFF.

I'M LISTENING TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LISTENING TO HOW STRONGLY THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.

AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT DR.

BHAT-PATEL'S MOTION.

OK, CAN WE CALL THE QUESTION? IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO LET ME CHECK MY CLOCK.

IT'S RIGHT ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK.

DO WE WANT TO TAKE 10 MINUTES BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM? I'M SEEING THUMBS UP, SO LET'S SAY 5:10 WILL COME BACK.

AND WE WILL MOVE ONTO ITEM SEVEN.

[7. DISTRICT 1 CITY COUNCIL VACANCY INTERVIEW QUESTIONS & APPOINTMENT PROCEDURE]

YES, SIR, AND MAKE OUR PRESENTATION TODAY WILL BE OUR LEGISLATIVE AND CONSTITUENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, SHEILA COBIAN.

SHEILA, TAKE IT AWAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN.

AND WITH ME THIS AFTERNOON, I HAVE FAVIOLA MEDINA.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS TO CONSIDER THE DISTRICT ONE COUNCIL VACANCY APPLICANT INTERVIEW QUESTIONS AND THE INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT PROCEDURE.

AT YOUR JULY MEETING, YOU DECLARED THE DISTRICT ONE VACANCY AND VOTED TO PROCEED WITH THE PROCESS TO APPOINT A SUCCESSOR TO SERVE THE REMAINDER OF THE TERM OF THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER.

STAFF IS NOW REQUESTING THAT YOU FINALIZE THE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED OF THE APPLICANTS, AS WELL AS THE INTERVIEW IN APPOINTMENT PROCEDURE FOR THE AUGUST 24TH MEETING.

EXHIBIT TWO OF YOUR STAFF REPORT CONTAINED THE MANY TOPICS AND QUESTIONS THAT DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS WISH TO SEE ASKED OF THE CITY COUNCIL APPLICANTS.

THE PRIMARY THEMES FOR HOMELESSNESS, DEVELOPMENT, TRANSPORTATION AND PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY, BEACHES, COVID RESPONSE, RAILROAD CROSSINGS, CLIMATE CHANGE AND RECYCLING AND MISCELLANEOUS POLITICAL TOPICS.

BASED ON THESE THEMES, STAFF DEVELOPED THE FOLLOWING FOUR QUESTIONS.

WHAT POLICIES DO YOU FEEL WOULD BE MOST EFFECTIVE IN BALANCING THE NEED FOR GROWTH WITH MAINTAINING THE COMMUNITY'S CHARACTER? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CITY OF CARLSBAD ROLE SHOULD BE IN ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM OF HOMELESSNESS? WHAT POLICIES WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TO ENSURE CARLSBAD COASTLINE CAN BE ENJOYED BY RESIDENTS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME? AND LASTLY, DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS AMENDED MANY TOPICS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED.

HOW WOULD YOU DECIDE WHERE TO FOCUS YOUR LIMITED TIME IN OFFICE? AS A REMINDER, YOU DID ALSO APPROVE A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION TO BE ASKED OF THE

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THE FOLLOWING INTERVIEW PROCEDURE IS WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED THAT CITY CLERK STAFF WOULD PROVIDE A DETAILED OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AUGUST 24TH MEETING.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS USING THE STANDARD CITY COUNCIL COMMENT PROCESS.

APPLICANTS WILL PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM VIDEO AND ORDER THEIR APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED.

EACH APPLICANT WOULD BE GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO MAKE OPENING REMARKS.

THE CITY CLERK WILL ASK THE APPROVED QUESTIONS TO EACH APPLICANT, PROVIDING FOR A TWO MINUTE RESPONSE AFTER EACH QUESTION IS ASKED.

AFTER ALL INTERVIEWS ARE COMPLETE, THE CITY CLERK WOULD THEN REQUEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS EMAIL THE CLERK THE APPLICANTS' NAMES IN RANK ORDER ONE THROUGH 13, WITH NO ONE BEING THE BEST.

EACH VALUE WOULD ONLY BE USED ONCE A SAMPLE EMAIL WAS INCLUDED AS EXHIBIT ONE IN THE STAFF REPORT STAFF WOULD DISPLAY ON THE SCREEN, EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS RANKED EMAIL LIST.

A BRIEF RECESS WOULD THEN BE CALLED SO STAFF COULD CALCULATE THE TOP FIVE APPLICANTS TO DISPLAY ON THE SCREEN.

CITY COUNCIL MAY MOVE FORWARD WITH VOTING ON THE TOP APPLICANT OR CONTINUE TO NARROW THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL ROUND OF VOTING VIA EMAIL TO THE CITY CLERK.

THE APPLICANT WHOSE LOWEST NUMERICAL VALUE WILL THEN BE CONSIDERED BY A VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS PROCESS WOULD CONTINUE UNTIL AT LEAST THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES ARE RECEIVED.

IN ADDITION TO THE PROPOSED INTERVIEW PROCEDURES, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY CLERK DISPLAY A TIMER DURING EACH INTERVIEW.

THE CLERK WILL RESET THE TIMER AFTER EACH QUESTION IS ASKED TO ALLOW FOR A TWO MINUTE RESPONSE TO FURTHER ENSURE EQUAL TIME.

COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL NOT ASK FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS OR MAKE COMMENTS DURING APPLICANT INTERVIEWS.

ALL APPLICANTS WILL BE INVITED TO PRACTICE USING THE ZOOM PLATFORM SO THAT THEY CAN FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH THE TECHNOLOGY PRIOR TO THE AUGUST 24TH MEETING.

APPLICANTS MAY ALSO REQUEST AND WILL BE PERMITTED TO USE A CITY PROVIDED COMPUTER AT CITY HALL IF NECESSARY FOR THEIR INTERVIEW.

IF ANY TECHNICAL ISSUES ARISE DURING THE INTERVIEWS, THE INTERVIEW WILL BE HALTED UNTIL THE PROBLEMS ARE RESOLVED.

STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER THE INTERVIEW QUESTIONS AND EITHER APPROVE THEM AS PROPOSED OR DIRECTED STAFF TO MAKE CHANGES.

WE ARE ALSO ASKING IF YOU WISH TO HAVE THE CLERK ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS DURING THE INTERVIEWS, OR IF YOU WISH TO ASK THE QUESTIONS YOURSELVES.

IF YOU DO WISH TO ASK THE QUESTIONS, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASSIGN THE QUESTIONS TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER? LASTLY, DOES THE CITY COUNCIL WISH TO PROCEED WITH THE RANKING AND VOTING PROCESS AS PROPOSED, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATE PROCESS? STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT, BY MOTION, COUNCIL SELECT THE INTERVIEW QUESTION TO BE ASKED OF APPLICANTS ON AUGUST 24TH AND APPROVE AN INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT PROCEDURE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

SO I WOULD ASK THE CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MAYOR.

OK.

GLENN BERNARD AT FOUR ONE ONE ZERO.

THE CALLER IS NOT ON THE LINE.

OK, THAT WAS IT.

OK, QUESTIONS OF STAFF, WHO HAS QUESTIONS? YES, DR. BHAT-PATEL.

JUST A COUPLE, SO TO CLARIFY, I KNOW THIS WAS A SUGGESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE RANKED CHOICE VOTING, BUT WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, IF WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW WITH OUR COLLEAGUES TO CHANGE THAT IF WE WANTED TO.

AND I KNOW WITH THE GIVEN ONE HERE, IT SAYS WE WOULD RANK ALL 13.

BUT IF WE CHOSE TO MAYBE MOVE FORWARD WITH TOP THREE, TOP FIVE, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT CHANGE TONIGHT.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

OK, AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY AS WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE DECIDE, WE WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR INTERVIEWING PROCESS THAT THOSE QUESTIONS COULD ACTUALLY BE ASKED BY THE CITY CLERK, POTENTIALLY.

CITY CLERK STAFF, UNFORTUNATELY, NOT THE ACTUAL CITY CLERK.

OK, THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS, I JUST HAVE COMMENTS.

THANKS.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, JUST COMMENTS.

THANKS.

MR.

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THANK YOU.

WE DO FULLY EXPECT THAT YOU'LL ENGAGE IN A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS, INCLUDING CONVERSATION AND COMMENTS.

OKAY THANKS, AND I'LL JUST MAKE THE COMMENT THAT I AGREE WITH DR.

BHAT-PATEL, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF RANKING 13 PEOPLE.

I WOULD PREFER TO GIVE MY RANKINGS ON THE TOP THREE AND SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US.

YES, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

[INAUDIBLE] TO COMMENTS NOW, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE JUST YOUR TOP THREE.

I'D EVEN GO TOP FIVE.

BUT I THINK THAT AS WE GO THROUGH POTENTIALLY THIS ITERATIVE PROCESS, LIKE IMAGINE WE DON'T ALL AGREE ON THE FIRST ONE PERSON UNANIMOUSLY, WHICH I'M IMAGINING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND MAYBE DO IT AGAIN.

BUT I THINK IF WE HAD THIS SMALLER GROUP, IF WE HAD THREE OR FIVE, IT WOULD MAKE THINGS GO A LOT QUICKER, A LOT MORE QUICKLY.

SO I LIKE THAT IDEA.

I'M OPEN MINDED TO THE IDEA OF HAVING THE CITY CLERK STAFF ASK THE QUESTIONS MIGHT BE FASTER, CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS LONGER, LONGER COUNCIL MEETING AND PROBABLY MORE THAN ONE WHERE WE'RE INTERVIEWING PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT YOU MIGHT BE FASTER TO HAVE STAFF ASK THE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M ALSO OPEN TO HAVING US DO IT AS LONG AS WE'RE MINDFUL OF NOT GOING SLOW AND HEMMING AND HAWING, BUT JUST TRYING TO MOVE THINGS ALONG SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S THOUGHT INTO THE PROCESS AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BEING FAIR TO EVERYONE AND THAT WE'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS LAID OUT VERY SIMPLY AND CLEARLY FOR EVERYONE SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CUT OFF JUST AS THEY ARE ON THE ZOOM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY GO OVER THEIR TIME LIMIT, THAT MIC JUST GETS TURNED OFF.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE ABILITY TO REHEARSE ON ZOOM, TO BE ABLE TO TRY OUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO GET ON WITH ZOOM.

SO THANK YOU TO THE CITY STAFF FOR BEING SO WILLING TO DO THAT AND EVEN THINKING THROUGH ALL OF THAT AHEAD OF TIME.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY WONDERFUL.

SO IT'S NOT THE EASIEST PROCESS TO MAKE CLEAR EASY AND FAIR.

AND I THINK THAT WITH GREAT JOB, YOU ALL HAVE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.

AND THE QUESTIONS LOOK GREAT, TOO.

THANK YOU.

SO, DOCTOR, I AGREE WITH THREE AND I ALSO AGREE WITH THE CITY CLERK, YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT, DR.

OH, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE COMMENTS, BUT I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST AND THEN I CAN GO.

GO AHEAD.

YOU'RE UP, OK? YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF FOLKS ARE OPEN TO THE TOP THREE, I'M FINE WITH THAT AS WELL.

I THINK THAT JUST LIMITING IT MAKES IT EASIER AND A BIT MORE EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF WHO SHOULD ASK THE QUESTIONS.

I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A NONBIASED INDIVIDUAL IF WE HAD THE CITY CLERK'S STAFF DOING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAY, JUST IN CASE I MEAN, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE IN AN INTERVIEW AND SOMEBODY ASKS YOU A QUESTION AND YOU JUST RECEIVE IT DIFFERENTLY.

BUT I THINK JUST HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS NOT ONLY WOULD SPEED IT UP, BUT IT ALSO BRINGS THAT NONBIASED INTO PLAY AS WELL.

I THINK JUST FROM THAT RESEARCHERS, I'M THINKING NONBIASED.

AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO SO IN A WAY THAT EVERYONE IS ASKED EQUALLY AND FAIRLY.

AND THEN JUST IN TERMS OF ONE OTHER ASPECT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK ABOUT AND MENTIONED, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WITH MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES.

SO OBVIOUSLY, THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, YOU KNOW WILL GO A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME BASED ON HOW MUCH WE ASK.

I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A SET TIME FOR EVERYONE TO DO THEIR INTROS AND THEN WE HAVE THE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DELIBERATE AND EVERYTHING.

AND THERE'S 13 APPLICANTS.

I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS.

I KNOW THERE ISN'T A WAY NECESSARILY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THE TIME LIMIT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK FOR THE DURATION IF YOU ALL WOULD BE OPEN TO POTENTIALLY HAVING, LIKE, A CUT OFF AT A SPECIFIC TIME SO THAT WE CAN THEN CONTINUE IT TO A SEPARATE DAY SO

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I FEEL LIKE PUBLIC WILL GET, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE PUBLIC TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE.

BUT THEN ALSO FOR US, WE CAN JUST HAVE A FRESH SET OF EYES, FRESH SET OF JUST JUST FEELING A LITTLE BIT MORE ENERGY TO CONTINUE ON IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE ON.

SO I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO SAY ON THAT.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ALSO, DOCTOR, IS ON INTRODUCTORY REMARKS, HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY TO, SHALL I SAY, SELL THEMSELVES WITH THEIR WITH THEIR OWN THOUGHTS, PICK A TIME ON THAT.

ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THREE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS TO, YOU KNOW, LEARN ABOUT A LOT ABOUT SINCERITY AND CLARITY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH WHEN SOMEBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAND UP AND SPEAK.

SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR THOUGHTS ON THAT ALSO.

SO.

MR. BLACKBURN YOU WANT TO GO NEXT? I'M JUST I'M SCAVENGING THROUGH HERE REAL QUICK.

WILL YOU JUST [INAUDIBLE] YOU GO OVER IT ONE MORE TIME.

THEY HAVE A TWO MINUTE OPENING AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

IS THAT TWO MINUTE OPENING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO MAYOR? YEAH AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN TWO MINUTES.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE YOUR RESUME, BUT FOR ALL I KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT HAVE WRITTEN THE RESUME.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM AT LEAST FOR THREE MINUTES ABOUT THEIR SINCERITY AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE BELIEVES, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL OR SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO, OK, AND I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OF MS. COBIAN THE WAY YOU HAD IT WITH THE RANKINGS AND THEN THE NUMERICAL NUMBER ATTACHED TO THEM.

WOULD YOU RECOMMEND IF WE'RE JUST RANKING THE TOP THREE, THAT WE DO THE SAME THING AND THEN THAT WAY THE TOP, I DON'T KNOW, THREE OR FIVE WHO HAVE THE LOWEST NUMBER BECAUSE NUMBER ONE WOULD BE OUR TOP PICK, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND DOING THAT? THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS EASIEST TO MANAGE.

OK, THANK YOU.

AND JUST FOR MY COMMENT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CLERK ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THE RANKINGS, BUT JUST OUR TOP THREE FOR EACH OF US AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US.

AND MAYOR I LIKE THE TWO MINUTES, BUT I'M OK WITH GOING TO THREE MINUTES.

I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY WANT TO GO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THE HOT SEAT FOR A LONG TIME ANSWERING OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA INTRODUCTORY.

I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN THAT MAYBE THREE, THREE MINUTES, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THE TIME FROM TWO UP, I WOULD SAY THREE MINUTES, BUT WE WILL BE ASKING THEM FIVE QUESTIONS.

WHEN DO THEY? HERE'S A QUESTION FOR MS. COBIAN.

WHEN DO THEY ANSWER THE HYPOTHETICAL? WE COULD DO THAT AS THE LAST QUESTION OR THE FIRST QUESTION, YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE THE HYPOTHETICAL TO COME IN? WE HAVE TIME.

SO THERE ARE SIX QUESTIONS THEN.

NO FIVE, WE WERE PROPOSING FOUR, HYPOTHETICAL THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING.

OK.

SO, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHY MY EYES SAW FIVE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE'S FOUR SO [INAUDIBLE] OK, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I'D BE FINE WITH THREE MINUTES FOR THE OPENING PITCH.

DR. YEAH, SO I'M FINE WITH IF WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE A THREE MINUTES, THAT'S FINE.

ANOTHER IDEA AND JUST IN TERMS OF THE VARIATION, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY OPENING REMARKS AND QUESTIONS, THE OTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO IT, INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT A THREE MINUTE INTRO, IS TO HAVE A CLOSING SO THAT THEY HAVE A MINUTE TO KIND OF IN THE PROCESS AS THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.

IF THEY'VE FORGOTTEN ANYTHING THAT THEY MISSED IN ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR IN THEIR INTRO, THEY CAN INCLUDE THAT.

BUT IT ALMOST BRINGS IT ALL TOGETHER AND KIND OF MAKES IT COHESIVE.

AND SO I'M JUST THINKING LIKE, HEY, LET'S DO THE INTRO.

YOU ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU HAVE A ONE MINUTE CLOSING THAT YOU CAN MAKE AND INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED OR ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE MISSED DURING THE PROCESS OF ADDRESSING ANY OF THE QUESTIONS.

AND SO IT GIVES YOU THAT EXTRA TIME TO JUST KIND OF ADDRESS ANYTHING IF YOU NEED TO.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING ON THE FLY WHILE EVERYONE WAS TALKING, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING.

SO I WOULD BE NEUTRAL ON THAT DOCTOR.

I STILL WOULD PREFER THE THREE MINUTE INTRO.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO CLOSE, YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH THAT, TOO.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YES, I'M FINE WITH THAT, I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING WORK TIME, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S

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SO I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE LIKE A BALLPARK FIGURE OF WHAT TIME WE'D LIKE TO END AND THEN ANYONE AFTER THAT WILL SPILL OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.

AND IN THAT CASE, IF WE DO THAT, THEN I THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO THE THREE MINUTE OPENING PITCH, THE FIVE QUESTIONS EACH WITH THE TIME TO ANSWER, AND THEN A ONE MINUTE CLOSING STATEMENT.

I LIKE THE CLOSING STATEMENT AS WELL AS A CATCH ALL FOR THEM TO PUT A BOW ON THEIR PRESENTATION AND ALSO ADD IN ANYTHING THEY MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN TO.

AND JUST SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR COUNCIL MEMBER, WE WOULD GIVE EVERYONE A THREE MINUTE OPENING.

AND THEN WE WOULD GO TO QUESTIONS, IS THAT IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? OK.

AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ONE MINUTE CLOSING.

SO THAT WAY, EVERYBODY IN THE FIRST MEETING AT LEAST GET TO GET THROUGH THEIR OPENING STATEMENT.

WE GET TO QUESTIONS THAT SO.

JUST TO CLARIFY, EACH PERSON, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WOULD DO ALL THE OPENING STATEMENTS AND THEN WE DO ALL QUESTIONS NO IT'S EACH ONE PERSON, SO WE TAKE THAT PERSON UP AND THEN THEY DO THE OPENING, THE FIVE QUESTIONS, THE CLOSING, THEN THAT PERSON IS DONE.

THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PERSON.

IS THAT HOW YOU'RE THINKING OF IT, TOO? I WAS THINKING EVERYBODY GETS AN OPENING.

COME BACK, EVERYBODY DOES QUESTIONS.

EVERYBODY DOES THE CLOSING.

THAT WAY THEY HAVE TIME TO THINK AND PROCESS THEIR WAY THROUGH IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

MAYOR IF I CAN JUST LOGISTICALLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE LET'S SAY THERE COULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGED AND IS USING CITY EQUIPMENT AND THEN WE'RE SWAPPING OUT AND HAVING ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.

SO JUST FROM A LOGISTICS CHALLENGE WE HAD ENVISIONED, I THINK THE WAY COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA WAS DISCUSSING WAS, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

I'M GOOD.

SO BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY, I'M FINE TOO.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO.

OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE BEEN AVERAGING ROUGHLY FOUR HOURS IN THE EVENT THAT WE EACH INDIVIDUAL HAD THE THREE MINUTE INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT, THEN TEN MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS BECAUSE TWO MINUTES PER QUESTION AND THEN ONE MINUTE CLOSING.

SO THAT GIVES YOU 14 MINUTES.

SO LET'S JUST SAY CALL IT 15 MINUTES.

SO 15 MINUTES.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TURN THROUGH IN THREE HOURS, 15 MINUTES.

IF YOU INCLUDE SOME KIND OF LAG TIME, LET'S JUST CALL IT THREE HOURS FORTY FIVE MINUTES GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL HALF HOUR FOR IN AND OUT PEOPLE COMING AND GOING.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE IN FOUR HOURS.

MEANING START TIME AT THREE O'CLOCK, WE CAN REASONABLY EXPECT TO BE DONE BY SEVEN P.M.

MR. BLACKBURN YOUR WAVING, YEAH, THAT'S JUST FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR RANKING AND OUR CONVERSATION.

SO I WOULD PROPOSE A FOUR HOUR LIMIT UNLESS IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE RIGHT THERE READY TO SELECT THE INDIVIDUAL.

AND THEN WE'LL VOTE FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

WE CAN GO OVER A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE A FOUR HOUR DROP DEAD TIME.

I DO WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL ON THE AGENDA ITEM.

THANK YOU, MS. BREWER.

SO THE FIRST THE FIRST MEETING WILL BE [INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY, DOCTOR.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH, I ALSO HAD THOUGHT ABOUT A FOUR HOUR LIMIT BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS AND OF COURSE IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D BE OPEN TO FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF.

SO THAT WAY AT LEAST WE'RE DONE BY SEVEN, THIRTY ISH.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE CAN GO ON TO IF I'M ASSUMING DELIBERATIONS WOULD HAVE TO END UP BEING A SECOND MEETING, LIKE IN TERMS OF, HEY, THESE ARE OUR RANKINGS, THESE ARE WHO WE THINK OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW.

SO ANYWAYS, I JUST THINK THAT I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT UP THAT LIMIT WAS JUST SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE, AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DIG INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY GO INTO THE WEE HOURS OF THE NIGHT.

AND SO, ANYWAYS, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

YES, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, THANK YOU, I THOUGHT OF ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. COBIAN IS THE ORDER IN WHICH APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED THE ORDER IN WHICH THE

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I SEE YOUR HEAD NODDING, OK, JUST AS ANY RANDOMIZING THAT WAS HAPPENING.

BUT IT'S JUST THE ORDER THAT THEY CAME IN.

OK.

MAYOR I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY AND MADAM CITY ATTORNEY IN THE EVENT THAT THIS WAS KIND OF A TWO DAY MEETING, CAN WE JUST CALL IT A CONTINUATION OF ONE MEETING SO WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE INTERVIEW PROCESS ON TUESDAY, THE 24TH, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE DELIBERATION PROCESS ON THURSDAY, THE 26TH.

SO THAT WAY WE CAN NOTICE AS ONE MEETING, BUT IT WOULD OCCUR ON TWO [INAUDIBLE].

YOU COULD CERTAINLY ADJOURN THE MEETING TO THE SECOND DAY THAT'S CONTINUING AND ADJOURN THE MEETING TO THE SECOND DAY, IF YOU ALREADY KNOW WHEN IT IS, OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY IN PUTTING OUT THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

AND I ONLY MENTION THE PLACE AND WE'VE HAD A HOLD ON THE 26TH, I BELIEVE, ON ALL OF COUNCILS AND STAFF'S CALENDARS.

SO IN THE EVENT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS GOING FOR TWO DAYS, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE RECEIVE THAT MOTION TODAY SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE AND THEN PROPERLY NOTICE IN PREPARATION FOR NEXT WEEK.

SO MR. CHADWICK, WHY DON'T WE JUST PLAN ON THAT? AND IF THINGS MOVE QUICKER, THEN SO BE IT.

WE WON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE SECOND DAY, BUT LET'S JUST PLAN ON TWO DAYS AS BEING WHAT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE.

AND IF WE GET DONE IN ONE DAY, FINE.

PERFECT YOU'VE GOT IT ALL SET UP.

IT'S WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THAT AT SEVEN THIRTY EIGHT O'CLOCK.

AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO AVOID.

SO OK IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

I THINK I SEE YUP YOU GOT FOREHEADS SHAKING YES, WE HAVE THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU.

SO IS EVERYBODY CLEAR KIND OF ON THE DIRECTION OR.

MS. COBIAN, DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES QUESTIONS? ONE MINUTE CLOSING, DR.

ONE OTHER QUESTION, SO TO ENSURE AND TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE GETS FAIR TIME, I KNOW THAT I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE DISPLAY.

YOU WERE DISPLAYING A TIMER, I GUESS, WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE GENERALLY MUTE FOLKS.

AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR, ONCE THEY'VE HIT THAT TIME, ARE YOU GOING TO BE INCORPORATING A MUTE FUNCTION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE STICKING TO THAT TIME? YES, WE WE'LL MUTE THEM.

OK.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY.

AND SO IT JUST IT'LL ALLOW FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TRACK.

SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHY THEY GET A DAY TO REHEARSE.

ON ZOOM.

MS. COBIAN, PERHAPS YOU COULD SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU PERCEIVE TO BE THE COUNCIL CONSENSUS AND THEN WE COULD GET A MOTION ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO RANK THE TOP THREE.

THERE WAS A MENTION OF FIVE, BUT I THINK WE GOT BACK TO THREE.

THERE IS GOING TO BE A THREE MINUTE OPENING COMMENTS.

THEN THE FIVE QUESTIONS WILL BE ASKED WITH THE HYPOTHETICAL AT THE END AND THEY'LL BE GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO EACH ONE.

AND THEN I THINK I GOT EVERYTHING.

OH, AND WILL BE FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF HOURS.

SO END TIME AT SEVEN OR SEVEN THIRTY.

AND THEN ADJOURNED TO THE 26TH AND THE INTERVIEW QUESTIONS CONTAINED IN THE AGENDA ARE APPROVED.

OK, IF WE COULD GET A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL BASICALLY APPROVING WHAT MS. COBIAN JUST READ, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US.

AND JUST SO, JUST SO MS. BREWER, IF YOU CAN HELP US HERE WHEN WE GET CLOSE TO THE END, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE OK IF WE HAD A CONVERSATION AMONGST THIS, IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE TEN MINUTES AWAY TO KEEP GOING OR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AT THE END OF FOUR HOURS.

WE CAN SAY, HEY, WHERE ARE WE AT HERE? AND YES, THE DETERMINATION IS JUST AN AGREEMENT AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SHOULD YOU AGREE TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE ON A PROCEDURAL MATTER LIKE THAT? YOU HAVE THE THE SAME PAGE THERE.

SO I'M NOT WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY END AND TIMES CERTAIN ON THE END BEGINNING.

EXCUSE ME.

ONLY ON THE BEGINNING.

NOT IN THE END.

OK, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION OF WHAT MS. COBIAN SAID, BUT I MISSED THE PART ABOUT THE CLERK WILL BE ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

OH YES.

AND THAT'S MY MOTION.

SECOND.

OK, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? CALL THE QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE.

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MAYOR HALL AYE SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

I HOPE THE NEXT MEETING GOES AS SMOOTH.

OK, WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT

[8. DISTRICT 2 AND DISTRICT 4 APPOINTMENTS OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE TRAFFIC & MOBILITY COMMISSION]

SO MR. BLACKBURN DISTRICT TWO.

[INAUDIBLE] AND I'LL JUST SAY YES.

I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU, BARBARA PLEASE, FIRST SPEAKER JOSH [INAUDIBLE] AT 5360 THE SPEAKER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JOSH [INAUDIBLE], I AM A 10 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD, I AM A MARINE CORPS VETERAN AND SPENT 7 YEARS ON ACTIVE DUTY, WHICH IS WHAT BROUGHT ME HERE TO CARLSBAD SINCE I GOT OUT OF THE MARINE CORPS AND GRADUATED FROM USC WITH MY MBA.

I WORK IN THE CONSTRUCTION FIELD, FIRST FOR CLARK CONSTRUCTION AND NOW FOR THE IRVINE COMPANY, WHERE I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT MANAGING MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS HERE IN CARLSBAD AND THROUGHOUT SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION AND BELIEVE THAT MY SKILL SET, THAT MY EXPERIENCE IN CONSTRUCTION, LEADERSHIP AND MARINE CORPS TRANSLATE WELL TO COMMISSION ABILITY TO WORK AS A TEAM, WORK WITH OTHERS.

I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO INFLUENCE AND IMPACT A NUMBER OF THINGS TO INCLUDE [INAUDIBLE] PRODUCTION, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

AND WELL JUST COMMIT MY TIME AND EFFORT.

I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT SERVICE I HAVE IN MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU.

WILLIAM FOWLER AT 8799.

THE CALLER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

WILLIAM FOWLER.

PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

SORRY, I WAS ON MUTE.

I'M BILL FOWLER.

YOU HEAR ME OK? YES, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

OK, I'M A 25 YEAR RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO AND I'M CURRENTLY ON THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY SAFETY COMMISSION.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR NOMINATING ME TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL FOR SELECTING ME AS TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER IN 2018.

IT HAS BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION.

IT'S NOW CALLED THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY SAFETY COMMISSION.

I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO APPOINT ME TO A SECOND TERM.

THE CHANGE IN THE COMMISSION'S NAME REFLECTS THE EVOLUTION OF THE COMMISSION OVER THE LAST THREE OR SO YEARS, BOTH THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMISSION BUT ALSO ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH STAFF AND ALSO THE RECOGNITION OF ALL THE MODES OF MOBILITY WE SEE ON CARLSBAD STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.

MY APPROACH HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO SUPPORT STAFF AND TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER PUBLIC INPUT INTO TRAFFIC ISSUES IN CARLSBAD.

AT THE SAME TIME, NEW COMMISSIONERS WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING BACKGROUNDS HAVE PROVIDED SOME NEW PERSPECTIVES AND NEW TRAFFIC DATA TO OUR WORK, STAFF MEMBERS HAVE RESPONDED BY WORKING CLOSELY WITH US IN AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT WAY, AND A NEW AND PRODUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP HAS EMERGED.

THE COMMISSION HAS THE COMMISSION SUBSEQUENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF STAFF, A NEW MISSION STATEMENT.

AND TOGETHER WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY ON WORK PLANS THAT WILL MOVE US FORWARD.

THE COMMISSION IS JUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF THIS NEW RELATIONSHIP AND THE PROGRESS ON TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY SAFETY THAT HAS RESULTED.

I BELIEVE THAT EXPERIENCE ON THE COMMISSION WILL ALLOW ME TO CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE AT A HIGH LEVEL TO THE COMMISSION WORK THE COMMISSION'S WORK FROM ITS VERY NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ON SEPTEMBER 7TH.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF MY REAPPOINTMENT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S THE LAST SPEAKER.

OK, GOING BACK MR. BLACKBURN, OK, YOU I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ONLY TWO OPENINGS.

IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE, OK, I INTERVIEWED ALL [INAUDIBLE] WELL I INTERVIEWED TWO OF THEM AND THEN WILLIAM FOWLER I'VE WORKED WITH FOR A WHILE AND

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SO MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS TO NOMINATE [INAUDIBLE] AND I CAN'T PRONOUNCE HIS LAST NAME [INAUDIBLE].

BUT IN STAYING CONSISTENT WITH MY MY NORMAL M.O.

IS IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE COMMISSION OR ANY OF OUR COMMISSIONS AND THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, THEN I WANT TO NOMINATE THEM FOR REAPPOINTMENT.

SO AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE [INAUDIBLE], I'M GOING TO GO WITH WILLIAM FOWLER, BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HE'S DONE A FINE JOB ON THE ON THE TRAFFIC MOBILITY COMMISSION FOR HIS LAST TERM AND DESERVES A SECOND TERM.

OK, DO WE NEED A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND, CALL THE QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE.

MAYOR HALL AYE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY MS. ACOSTA.

YES, THANK YOU.

I [INAUDIBLE] THAT OF THE APPLICANTS FOR THIS COMMISSION NONE OF THEM WERE IN DISTRICT FOUR, SADLY.

SO I NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PROMOTING THESE OPENINGS ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO MY DISTRICT.

BUT THERE WERE SUCH EXCELLENT APPLICANTS.

IT WAS SO HARD TO PICK.

AND I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT BILL FOWLER, WHO CURRENTLY SITS ON THE COMMISSION, IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TO LEARN THE ROPES AND NOT BE ABLE TO BE THERE LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE REAL CHANGE AND REALLY HAVE A STRONG VOICE.

SO I'M GLAD THAT HE WAS NOMINATED AND JUST VOTED IN A SECOND AGO BY MY COLLEAGUE.

THE OTHER PERSON THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE REALLY EXCELLENT IS ALSO FROM DISTRICT TWO SO MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN HAS A PLETHORA OF REALLY AMAZING VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE HIGHLY SKILLED.

AND THAT OTHER PERSON IS JOSH [INAUDIBLE] YOU HEARD FROM HIM JUST A MOMENT AGO, JUST THE PASSION THAT HE BRINGS, THE SKILLS IN HIS PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND AS A VETERAN AND FAMILY PERSON.

SO I'M REALLY PLEASED TO NOMINATE JOSH [INAUDIBLE] AS MY APPOINTEE TO THIS COMMISSION.

SECOND.

OK, CALL THE QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE.

MAYOR HALL AYE.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU TWO.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU SERVICE AND SERVE WITH US.

AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST THANK BILL FOR REPLYING ALSO AND FOR COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A WHILE TO LEARN THE POSITION.

SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THERE FOR ANOTHER TERM IS VERY APPRECIATIVE.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE, MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO

[9. MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION]

AND DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON NUMBER NINE? NO SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OK, NUMBER NINE.

THEN I WILL ASK TO HAVE ELLEN [INAUDIBLE] REAPPOINTED DISTRICT ONE IS HIS DISTRICT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY NOMINATION.

SECOND.

CALL THE QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE MAYOR HALL AYE.

SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

NEXT IS MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE ARTS COMMISSION AND I WOULD

[10. MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE ARTS COMMISSION]

GET AHEAD OF MYSELF.

TORY COOK AT 6180.

IF THE SPEAKER WILL PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

TORY COOK.

HI, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

OK, WONDERFUL.

I JUST WANTED TO CALL IN AND I WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.

I WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.

I GREW UP IN SAN DIEGO.

MY FOLKS STILL LIVE DOWN HERE, ALTHOUGH AFTER HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE, I LIVED IN VARIOUS PLACES OF CALIFORNIA.

BUT I HAVE RECENTLY COME BACK.

WE WE PURCHASED THE OLD FIRE STATION ON CHESTNUT AND EL CAMINO.

AND SO WE WERE SUPER EXCITED TO BE IN DISTRICT TWO, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM DISTRICT ONE.

BUT I WANTED TO JUST YOU MIGHT HAVE MY BACKGROUND IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I HAD AN ART GALLERY IN LAGUNA BEACH FOR YEARS.

I WAS ON THE LAGUNA BEACH ART WALK THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR FOUR OF THOSE

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AND IN THE TIME THAT I WAS THERE I ALSO WORKED ON LOTS OF DIFFERENT MURAL PROJECTS WORKING WITH THE CITY OF IRVINE, THE IRVINE COMPANY, THE LAGUNA BEACH ART COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL THERE.

SO I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A POSITION ON THE ARTS COMMISSION.

I KNOW THERE'S A FEW OTHER PEOPLE AND I HEARD THAT SOMEONE WAS ABOUT TO RECOMMEND SOMEONE.

SO I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER GREAT PEOPLE UP FOR THIS POSITION.

BUT I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH CARLSBAD IN THE ARTS ANYWAYS THAT'S ME.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS.

THAT'S IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, BUT I'M THE ONLY SPEAKER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO JUST THANK EVERYBODY WHO APPLIED FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT POSITIONS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE ALL NOTICE IS THE HIGH QUALITY OF ALL THOSE WHO ARE WANTING TO SERVE THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

AND WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE AS THE COUNCIL FOR YOU WANTING TO SERVE.

AND WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID TO PEOPLE, EVEN IF YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT CHOSEN THE FIRST TIME AROUND, PLEASE, PLEASE REAPPLY.

AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO SERVE.

AND SO TONIGHT AND THIS ONE, I WOULD AGAIN NORA GEORGE WOULD BE MY APPOINTMENT TO THIS POSITION.

SECOND.

SO CALL ROLL PLEASE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE, MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN, AYE MAYOR HALL AYE.

SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN IS THE CARLSBAD GOLF LODGING

[11. CARLSBAD GOLF LODGING BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTMENT]

I THINK HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT APPLIED, BUT HE'S A VERY, VERY GOOD APPLICANT.

SO I WOULD NOMINATE BILL [INAUDIBLE] SECOND.

CALL ROLL PLEASE, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE, MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE MAYOR HALL AYE.

SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

SO WE'LL GO TO FINAL COMMENTS AND COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS:]

SURE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO.

THIS MORNING AT 9:00 A.M., WE HAD THE CITY COUNCIL LEGISLATIVE SUB COMMITTEE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE BILLS MOVING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE IN SACRAMENTO.

AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE LEGISLATURE WAS ON A RECESS JUST AS THE COUNCIL WAS.

SO THINGS ARE MOVING AGAIN AS OF YESTERDAY THROUGH COMMITTEE AND BASED ON THE LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM THAT WE ALL THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED, WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC BILLS.

WE'VE NOTICED A TREND AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE LEGISLATIVE SUB COMMITTEE WITH STAFF AND OUR CONTRACT LOBBYISTS ABOUT HOUSING.

RIGHT.

WE TALK ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE EXTREME PRESSURE WE RECEIVE AT THE CITY LEVEL FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO DO HOUSING THEIR WAY AND WITH NO REGARD FOR OUR POWERS AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW BILLS WHERE WE HAVE PUSHED BACK AND WE HAVE OPPOSED OR OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED.

SOME OF THOSE BILLS HAVE BEEN STOPPED IN COMMITTEE, JUST IN THE LEGISLATURE.

YOU KNOW, THEY GET TO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, THEY DEBATE THEM AND THEY DECIDE TO PUT THEM ON HOLD OR ON THE SUSPENSE FILE OR WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

SO THEY MADE SOME OF THOSE MAY BE RESURRECTED NEXT YEAR, BUT OTHERS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH AND SB9 IS ONE OF THEM.

THIS IS THE BIG HOUSING BILL OF THE YEAR.

AND IT'S PRESENTED BY THE SENATE PRO TEM TONI ATKINS FROM SAN DIEGO.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE ORGANIZATION OF ALL THE CITIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT WE BELONG TO, THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, HAS BEEN REALLY TRYING SO HARD TO ADVOCATE FOR LOCAL CONTROL, FOR OUR LOCAL POWERS WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND LAND USE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADD OUR VOICE TO THE MIX.

AND WE'VE SENT A LETTER WE'VE I'VE MET WITH SENATOR TEM ATKINS'S STAFF, ALONG WITH OUR CONTRACT LOBBYISTS AND STAFF, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO NOW.

IT'S KIND OF CRUNCH TIME.

BUT AS THINGS COME TO THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN WE SAY OUR HANDS ARE TIED, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.

THE STATE IS MAKING US DO THIS.

THIS IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A VOICE IN ADVOCACY, BEHALF OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE SPEAK UP.

SO I'M SO PLEASED TO BE ON THIS LEGISLATIVE SUB COMMITTEE AND TO BE ABLE TO DEBATE THE LEGISLATION THAT IS PROPOSED EVERY YEAR.

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I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH LEGISLATION.

MY FIRST REAL JOB WHEN I WAS TWENTY ONE WAS WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATOR.

SO I FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE SPEAKING THEIR LANGUAGE AND HELPING COMMUNICATE REAL STORIES OF HOW THEIR LEGISLATION IS NEGATIVELY IMPACTING OR THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY.

SB9 SPECIFICALLY WOULD ALLOW SUBDIVISION OF OF LOTS IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONES TO FOUR AND POTENTIALLY SIX UNITS WITHOUT ANY LOCAL DISCRETION, ZERO ABILITY FOR US TO STOP IT IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONES BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN A HOUSING CRUNCH AND THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S INTENT TO SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS IS SOMETIMES COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

THEY THINK THAT THEY'LL GET SOME MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF WE CAN SUBDIVIDE LOTS IN SINGLE FAMILIES ZONES SO PART OF OUR DISCUSSION THIS MORNING WAS NO, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET PROSPECTOR'S, COME INTO CARLSBAD AND LOOK TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT.

THESE AREN'T GOING TO BE LOW INCOME OR MODERATE INCOME UNITS, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN COUNT TOWARDS [INAUDIBLE] NUMBERS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT NECESSARILY.

IT'S NOT IN THE BILL.

IT'S NOT CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN THE BILL WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BILL.

AND WE ASKED FOR MANY AMENDMENTS AND THEY WERE NOT MADE.

IN FACT, IN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS, WE WERE TOLD, WELL, AN OWNER HAS TO OCCUPY ONE OF THE UNITS.

EVEN IF YOU SUBDIVIDE SINGLE FAMILY HOME INTO SIX, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED.

BUT WE LEARNED THAT THERE'S A SUNSET FOR THAT PROVISION.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY ONLY BE FOR FIVE YEARS.

THERE'S ALMOST NO WAY TO ENFORCE IT.

AND ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT THE AUTHOR MADE TO THE BILL WAS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT PROMISING THAT THEY WOULD LIVE THERE FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.

BUT THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO ENFORCE THAT.

THERE'S NO WAY TO CHECK AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE CASE.

ANYWAY, WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND TO MAINTAIN SOME SOME CONTROL OVER OUR PLANNING AND LAND USE.

THIS IS THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'VE GOT OUR CARLSBAD COMMUNITY VISION, AND IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING.

TO HAVE OUR POWERS CURTAILED AND TO BE BE TOLD WELL, WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THIS FOR ALL OF CALIFORNIA.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON I FELT SO STRONGLY TONIGHT.

I FEEL LIKE IF WE GIVE THE STATE AN INCH, THEY TAKE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.

THEY TAKE A FOOT AND OTHER COMMUNITIES FIGHTING AS WELL.

AND FOR THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FIGHTING HOUSING, ADDITIONAL HOUSING BEING FORCED ON THEM BY SACRAMENTO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BAND WITH THEM AND HAVE A STRONG VOICE AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE OBSTRUCTIVE OR DIFFICULT.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR OUR LOCAL CONTROL THAT WE WERE DESIGNED.

THAT'S HOW WE WERE SET UP AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO DO IT.

SO SORRY FOR THE LONG DIATRIBE ON THIS, BUT THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US AS A COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO SACRAMENTO TO COMMUNICATE OUR STORIES.

SO FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S LISTENING.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO SHARE YOUR STORIES, KNOW THAT WE'RE ON YOUR SIDE AND WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE OUR REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES OF WHY SOME OF THESE POLICIES DON'T WORK.

AND WE'RE NOT A COOKIE CUTTER COMMUNITY.

NONE OF US ARE.

WE'RE DIFFERENT FROM ENCINITAS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM OCEANSIDE AND SAN MARCOS.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE DRIVE THROUGH THESE COMMUNITIES, BUT A LOT OF THESE LEGISLATORS DON'T KNOW THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT OUR AREA.

SO WE HAVE TO SHARE THROUGH STORIES AND EXAMPLES.

SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND THE ABILITY TO BE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD ON THAT, MAYOR, BUT IT'S VERY MUCH ON MY MIND THAT WE NEED TO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS WITH THE STATE RIGHT NOW.

AND I WANT YOU I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING, COUNCIL MEMBER.

I MEAN, YOU'RE REALLY OUT ON THE FOREFRONT ON THIS AND YOU HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND REALLY HAVE HAD THE WALK THROUGH SACRAMENTO.

BUT I MEAN, EVEN WITH WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT, YOU'RE BEING VERY KIND.

RIGHT NOW, IF WE AS THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR FUTURE, WE ALL NEED TO GET ON THE PHONE AND CALL THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND BE VERY BLUNT THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THIS SB9 AND WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO SUPPORT IT OR SIGN IT.

AND ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS ON THE FAST TRACK.

AND IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING VERY QUICK AND IT'S REALLY GONE BEYOND OUR VOICES AS HARD AS WE'VE WORKED.

BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE NOW IS HOPEFULLY TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE CALLING, SAYING OVER OUR DEAD BODIES.

AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S LISTENING TONIGHT OR EVEN THOSE IF THE PRESS IS LISTENING, THAT WE JUST NEED TO CALL SACRAMENTO AND SAY NO AND VOTE THIS DOWN.

IF NOT, WE NEED THE GOVERNOR TO VETO IT.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'RE

[02:45:03]

SO WITH THAT, DR.

BHAT-PATEL.

THANK YOU.

THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA FOR THAT OVERVIEW.

I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THE LEAGUE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, HAS BEEN DISCUSSING.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER ITEM FOR US TO TALK ABOUT AND REALLY CONSIDER AT A FORUM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO DEEPER DETAIL ON THE 24TH AND I KNOW I'LL BE ATTENDING THAT AUGUST 24TH.

IT'S VIRTUAL.

SO IT IS AVAILABLE TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CITIES AND THEN SIMILARLY AGREE, YOU KNOW, THE COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH THAT SOMETIMES SACRAMENTO TAKES DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT EVERYONE.

RIGHT.

AND SO I THINK FOLKS FORGET ONCE THEY GET UP THERE, IF THEY HAVE BEEN ELECTED, YOU KNOW, AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, SOMETIMES THEY FORGET ABOUT HOW THE IMPACTS DO HAPPEN AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

AND I DO THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO REMIND THEM AS THEY'RE UP THERE REPRESENTING US, THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME SENSE OF LOCAL CONTROL AND BEING ABLE TO REALLY DICTATE WHAT IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND THE WORK THAT YOU BOTH ARE DOING ON THAT LEGISLATIVE SUB COMMITTEE.

WE ACTUALLY HAD OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING AS WELL YESTERDAY, AND THAT WAS GREAT.

WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT OUR COUNCIL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT CREATING THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WOULD WANT IN A WORKPLAN, INCLUSIVE WORKFORCE AND ENSURING THAT WE'RE REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE GROW OUR TALENT, POTENTIALLY GROW OUR INDUSTRY CLUSTERS, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED.

AND SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING ON THAT, COMING UP WITH SOME INNOVATIVE IDEAS AND REALLY MAKING SURE THAT CARLSBAD CONTINUES TO BE A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

AND, OF COURSE, AT THE SAME TIME ENSURING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ECONOMICALLY DEVELOP AND BE A BEACON FOR FOR THE ENTIRE REGION AND HOPEFULLY THE ENTIRE STATE.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WITH REGARDS TO THE LEAGUE AND THEN THIS MIGHT DOVETAIL INTO, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT THREE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WE HAVE TOMORROW.

BUT THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES MEETING FOR THE SAN DIEGO DIVISION WAS LAST WEEK.

AND WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND MANY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY BILLS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND JUST WHAT TYPES OF POSITIONS WE MAY POTENTIALLY WANT TO TAKE AS CITY.

SO I'M SURE THE LEGISLATIVE SUB COMMITTEE WILL BE DISCUSSING THOSE.

AND I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WHAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT AT THAT LEVEL AS WELL.

AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT TOMORROW IS THE FIRST OF THE FOUR DISTRICT MEETINGS WITH OUR NEW POLICE CHIEF, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN DISTRICT THREE.

I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND IN THE EVENING AND HOPEFULLY MEET SOME FOLKS OUT THERE AND GET, I'M SURE, FOLKS THAT HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET CHIEF WILLIAMS. THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AND SEE WHAT CAPABLE HANDS WE'RE IN.

AND I'M SURE, MAYOR, YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO THIS.

BUT SINCE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY MS. ENGELSON, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON BEING OUR CITY CLERK AND JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOUR FACE ON ON ZOOM AND OF COURSE, IN PERSON.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND I KNOW EVERYONE'S GOING TO MISS YOU.

AND PERSONALLY, I LOVE YOUR CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES I'M GOING TO MISS THOSE AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU QUITE A BIT.

SO, YES, [INAUDIBLE] MR. BLACKBURN.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES.

HOW COME I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY TASTE LIKE, BUT I WILL SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.

EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY YOUR HOUSE ALMOST EVERY DAY AND I SEE THE SOLD SIGN ON YOUR HOUSE AND IT SADDENS ME.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

SO TERESA, I KNOW YOU WERE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, I KNOW YOU WERE REALLY INTO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BARBARA ALSO, I COULD TELL BY YOUR LOOK ON YOUR FACE THAT YOU'RE THINKING OOPS.

SO GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

YEAH.

I WAS SO INTO TALKING ABOUT SB9, I GOT ALL FIRED UP AND I WANT TO THANK YOU TO THE CITY CLERK.

I'M SO GRATEFUL TO HAVE BEEN ELECTED AND TO HAVE BEEN ON BOARD BY YOU AND BY YOUR BY STAFF THAT WORK UNDER YOU.

SO I'M REALLY PLEASED TO HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW YOU.

AND I'M REALLY, REALLY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR CITY.

GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO FILL YOUR SHOES.

I HEAR GREAT THINGS ABOUT ALL THE CERTIFICATIONS AND EXTRA SKILLS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS JOB.

AND I SUPPOSE COUNCIL MEMBER, BHAT-PATEL GOT TO HAVE COOKIES BECAUSE SHE HAD A BABY, SO I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ONE.

SO AND THE OTHERS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THEM EITHER SO I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES.

BUT WE'RE WE'RE SO HAPPY TO HAVE HAD TIME WITH YOU AND WE WISH YOU THE VERY BEST.

[02:50:04]

AND I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD JUST SAY THE REASON WHY I RECEIVED COOKIES WAS BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THE PREGNANCY.

AND MRS. ENGLESON WAS VERY KIND TO BRING THOSE BY SO I THOUGHT I SHOULD JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE, THAT I'M SURE SHE WOULD BAKE THEM FOR EVERYONE.

BUT THAT WAS THE REASON WHY.

SO JUST A LITTLE BOOST.

AND I, TOO, JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HAD SAID.

WE SO APPRECIATE YOUR EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS OF WORKING WITH US.

I PERSONALLY APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING ME ON TRACK AND TRYING TO KEEP YOU FOCUSED AS WE WORK THROUGH THE MEETINGS.

FOR ME, THAT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED.

IT'S NOT ONLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON CAMERA, BUT OFTEN WHAT YOU'RE DOING OFF CAMERA AND IN THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE SO YOU'LL TRULY, TRULY BE MISSED.

AND HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T BE A STRANGER AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND AT LEAST WE'LL BE ABLE TO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS.

SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A JOB.

VERY WELL DONE.

SO THANK YOU.

MY PLEASURE.

AND BEFORE I GIVE MY NEXT COMMENTS, I JUST WANT TO THANK MY COUNCIL.

I MEAN, IT'S YOU KNOW, THIS TIME OF THE YEAR THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S JUST SO, SO MUCH GOING ON AND IT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED.

I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY GET THE JOB DONE AND NOT JUST IN THE EYES OF THE CITY AND WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE DO IN THE CITY, BUT IN MANY, MANY OTHER WAYS.

AND IT'S I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COLLABORATION AND OUR ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER AS MUCH AS WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

SO AND ALL THAT EXTRA EFFORT, BECAUSE IT DOES IT'S A LOT OF HOURS AND I TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON JUST IN THE NEXT WEEK, THIS WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 18TH, FROM 3 TO 6 P.M., WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BLUE RIBBON CITY LAUNCH AT GELATOLOVE.

THAT'S AT 300 CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE UNIT 104.

YOU'LL PROBABLY FIND MORE THAN ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT EVENT WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 18TH, FROM 6 TO 7 P.M.

THE CITY OF CARLSBAD POLICE CHIEF WILLIAMS MEET AND GREET IN DISTRICT THREE AND DR.

BHAT-PATEL JUST MENTIONED THAT.

BUT THAT'LL BE AT THE POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK AT 6600 HIDDEN VALLEY ROAD THIS FRIDAY, AUGUST 20TH, FROM 11 TO 1, AT CARLSBAD CHAMBER STATE OF THE COMMUNITY VIP VIEWING AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AT GNARLYWOOD 2081 FERRIDAY AVE.

AND YOU'LL DEFINITELY HAVE MORE THAN ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AT THAT EVENT.

MONDAY, AUGUST 23RD, AGAIN, FROM 6 TO 7 P.M., THE CITY OF CARLSBAD POLICE CHIEF WILLIAM WILLIAMS MEET AND GREET IN DISTRICT FOUR, AND THAT WILL BE AT STAGECOACH COMMUNITY PARK AT 3420 CAMINO LOS COCHES.

AND WILL YOU BE AT THAT ONE OF COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

SO YOU WILL BE THERE FOR SURE, IF NOT MORE THAN JUST YOU.

SO THOSE ARE JUST THE PLACES THAT I KNOW THERE WILL BE ONE OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS OVER THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX DAYS.

SO WITH THAT CITY MANAGER.

AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DON'T ALSO KICK IT OFF AND SAY, BARBARA, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR YOUR EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS OF SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

YOU WELCOMED ME WITH OPEN ARMS, AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I JUST I WISH YOU MUCH SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS FOR YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.

THANK YOU.

SWITCHING BRIEF SUBJECTS, AND I THANK YOU, MAYOR, AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR REITERATING AND EMPHASIZING WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING ON.

THERE ARE FOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, FOR A MEET THE CHIEF MEETING, ONE IN DISTRICT ONE ON AUGUST 20TH AT PINE COMMUNITY PARK DISTRICT TWO, AUGUST 27TH AT CALAVERA HILLS COMMUNITY PARK DISTRICT THREE AGAIN, AUGUST 18TH AT POINSETTIA DISTRICT FOUR IS AUGUST 23RD AT STAGECOACH.

AND TO PUT A FINER NOTE ON, YES, WE'RE A FAIRLY ACTIVE CITY.

WE ALSO HAVE A REDISTRICTING MEETING COMING UP.

INDIVIDUALS CAN SIGN UP ONLINE FOR THESE VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

DISTRICT ONE IS AUGUST 25TH DISTRICT TWO IS AUGUST 26TH DISTRICT THREE IS SEPTEMBER 1 AND DISTRICT FOUR IS SEPTEMBER 2.

AGAIN, PLEASE GO ONLINE TO CARLSBAD, CA.GOV AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ON OUR HOME PAGE TO TAKE YOU TO THIS INFORMATION.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MR. CHADWICK.

[02:55:01]

WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM JOSH [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

COULD YOU PLEASE JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, TELL HIM WHAT THE PROPER PROCESS FOR THAT WOULD BE SO I CAN GET THAT ON THE RECORD FOR HIM? I BELIEVE THAT AND I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, MAYOR.

BUT EFFECTIVELY, THERE'S A REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE CITY.

HOWEVER, MR. CANTOR IS A [INAUDIBLE] OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

HE WOULD END UP NEEDING TO COME AND APPROACH THE CITY, MEANING THE INDIVIDUAL THAT EFFECTIVELY OWNS THE LEASE AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD NEED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE CITY.

THAT SAID, THERE ARE ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL ISSUES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS.

AND I BELIEVE THERE COULD ALSO BE SOME ADDITIONAL [INAUDIBLE] THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR IN ORDER FOR THE USE THAT HE HAS REQUESTED TO BE ALLOWED IN AT THAT LOCATION.

SO, AGAIN, THAT INFORMATION WAS ALL PROVIDED, I BELIEVE VIA COUNCIL INQUIRY AND IS ALSO A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

OK, THANK YOU.

I JUST AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHADWICK.

SO I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING HE'S BEEN WORKING ON AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO COME TO SOME KIND OF CONCLUSION.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT PERSON THAT NEEDS TO DO THE APPLICATION.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

MS. BREWER.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY FAREWELL TO BARBARA YOUR SERVICE HAS JUST BEEN EXEMPLARY, YOU'RE ALWAYS KIND AND CALM AND PROFESSIONAL AND YOU'RE BRIGHT AND YOU'RE ALWAYS GRACIOUS TO EVERYBODY.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE REALLY SET A GREAT TONE AND TENOR FOR THE OFFICE.

AND I HOPE WE CAN GET SOMEBODY EVEN HALF AS GOOD AS YOU.

AND I'LL MISS YOU A LOT.

THANK YOU.

AND THE CITY CLERK, WHAT IS YOUR FINAL COMMENTS? OH, MY GOSH.

WELL, TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE DAIS, BOTH PRESENT AND PAST, IT'S BEEN AN INFORMATIVE AND MEMORABLE AND MOSTLY GOOD EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO ANNOUNCE OR TO ADDRESS CITY STAFF BECAUSE IT'S YOU AND YOUR DEDICATION THAT MAKES THE CITY OF CARLSBAD SUCH A HARD TOWN TO LEAVE.

AND ESPECIALLY MY CLERKS STAFF, THEIR EXEMPLARY PERFORMANCE HAS ALWAYS MADE ME LOOK GOOD.

SO I CAN'T TAKE ALL THE CREDIT, NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

THANK YOU ALL.

AND FAREWELL.

I'LL BE IN TOUCH.

THAT'S A PROMISE.

SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.