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2021 CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION, MS. FLORES, COULD YOU TAKE ROLE? YES, MR. CHAIR.
EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHTY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES.
WE HAVE NO MINUTES IN OUR AGENDA TODAY, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS EVENING FOR THE MEETING.
AND THAT IS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA EXECUTIVE ORDER AND IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. WE'RE TEMPORARILY TAKING ACTION TO PREVENT AND MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND BY HOLDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS ELECTRONICALLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CAN AND BE WATCHED VIA A LIVE STREAM OR REPLAYED ON THE CITY WEBSITE. PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY EMAILING YOUR COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING DIVISION PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
COMMENTS WILL BE TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE START OF THE AGENDA ITEM THAT THE ITEM IS COMING TO.
IF YOU DESIRE TO HAVE YOUR COMMENTS READ INTO THE RECORD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. PLEASE INDICATE SO IN THE FIRST LINE OF YOUR EMAIL AND LIMIT YOUR EMAIL TO 500 WORDS OR LESS.
THESE PROCEDURES SHALL REMAIN IN PLACE DURING THE PERIOD IN WHICH THE STATE OR LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS HAVE IMPOSED OR RECOMMENDED SOCIAL DISTANCING MEASURES.
IF THE PUBLIC DESIRES TO COMMENT ABOUT AN ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE EMAIL YOUR COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING DIVISION AS WELL PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IS PROVIDED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION.
COMMENTATORS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH.
CHAIR CAN CHANGE THOSE TIMES IF CHOOSE TO.
IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT, NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. PLANNING STAFF WILL READ COMMENTS AS REQUESTED.
MS. FLORES ANY COMMENTS THIS EVENING THAT ARE NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA? MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE PROCEDURE FOR THE COMMISSION WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE OPEN, STAFF WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATIONS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
APPLICANTS WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND RESPOND TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. THEY'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE THE OPEN, TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES IS ALLOTTED ON EACH THAT IS RECEIVED AFTER THE COMMENTS THAT WERE REQUESTED BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD WILL BE CLOSED.
THE APPLICANT AND STAFF HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THESE ISSUES OR QUESTIONS, AND THE COMMISSIONERS WILL THEN DISCUSS THE ITEM AND THEN VOTE ON THAT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE THEN CLOSED.
CERTAIN PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS ARE FINAL, BUT MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM
[1. PUD 2021-0002/SDP 2021-0004/CDP 2021-0007/MS 2021-0002 (DEV2021-0024) – JUNIPER BEACH HOMES]
NUMBER ONE. BUT BEFORE WE DO SO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE COMMISSIONERS GIVE EX PARTE ON THIS ITEM, INCLUDING SITE VISITS AND OR CONVERSATIONS WITH ANYONE.SO WE'LL START OFF WITH COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
YES, I VISITED THE SITE AND WALKS.
I'M SORRY, THE FIRST ONE IS, YEAH, I WALKED AROUND THE SITE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STINE.
I VISITED THE SITE. COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
COMMISSIONER LUNA. LIKE COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, I DROVE AND WALKED AROUND THE SITE.
OK. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. I LOOKED AT IT AT GOOGLE MAPS, AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S IN. OKAY, THANK YOU.
I ALSO DROVE BY THE SITE, DID GET OUT OF MY CAR AND BRIEFLY WALKED THE SIDEWALK AREA AND AND THEN BACK INTO MY CAR AND DROVE OFF.
AND BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, I'LL HAVE THE STAFF GO AHEAD AND MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION. MR. NEU.
SO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS A PROJECT TITLED JUNIPER BEACH HOMES, AND ASSOCIATE PLANNER ESTEBAN DANNA IS HERE FOR THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I.
CURRENTLY TRYING TO PUT THE PRESENTATION UP, ONE SECOND, CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT?
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YES, WE CAN. NOW.OK, SO THIS IS A AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND THE MINOR SUBDIVISION FOR THE JUNIPER BEACH HOMES.
OK, SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 295 JUNIPER AVENUE.
IT IS LOCATED BETWEEN GARFIELD STREET TO THE WEST AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO THE EAST.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE APPEALABLE JURISDICTION OF THE COASTAL ZONE AND WITHIN THE BEACH AREA OVERLAY ZONE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEIGHBORING USES ARE RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FOUR UNIT DETACHED CONDOMINIUM WITH THREE BEDROOMS PER UNIT.
UNIT SIZES RANGE FROM TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR SQUARE FEET TO TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED EIGHT SQUARE FEET, AND EACH UNIT INCLUDES AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE FOUR DETACHED UNITS WITH THE DRIVEWAY RUNNING DOWN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, JUNIPER AVENUE IS SEEN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE IMAGE.
A TOTAL OF FOUR VISITOR PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED IN THE PROJECT.
THIS RENDERING SHOWS THE FOUR DETACHED UNITS WITH THE DRIVEWAY RUNNING DOWN THE CENTER JUNIPER AVENUE.
I'M SORRY THIS RENDERING SHOWS THE PROJECT HAS SEEN IT FROM JUNIPER AVENUE.
THE FRONT DOORS FOR THE TWO FRONT UNITS ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET, AND THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO BUILD THE UNITS WITH THE MODERN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH IS COMMONLY FOUND IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMUNITIES.
THIS RENDERING SHOWS THE PROJECT FROM JUNIPER AVENUE FACING SOUTHWEST.
THE BUILDINGS ARE FINISHED WITH SEVERAL COMPLEMENTARY MATERIALS, AND THAT INCLUDES STUCCO SHINGLE SIDING, VERTICAL SIDING AND BRICK BRICK VENEER.
THIS RENDERING SHOWS THE PROJECT FACING SOUTHEAST IF AS IF STANDING ON JUNIPER AVENUE AND OTHER FINISHES ON THE BUILDING ON THE BUILDINGS WILL INCLUDE OPEN STYLE METAL BALCONY RAILINGS, ALUMINUM COLORED WINDOW FRAMES AND A THREE AND 12 ROOF PITCH WITH WITH ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF TILES.
THIS VIEW SHOWS THE PROJECT, AS SEEN FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FACING NORTHWEST.
EACH STRUCTURE COMPLIES WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDE PROVIDING A MINIMUM OF THREE BUILDING PLANES PER ELEVATION.
AND FINALLY, THIS VIEW SHOWS THE PROJECT AS SEEN FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FACING NORTHEAST. THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE ORDINANCES, STANDARDS AND POLICIES.
AND THESE INCLUDE THE R23 RESIDENTIAL GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATION, THE MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R3 ZONE, PLAN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE BEACH AREA OVERLAY ZONE, THE MELLO TWO SEGMENT OF THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM.
THE COASTAL RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE AND FINALLY, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 7424 APPROVING THE PROJECT. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. DANNA, I APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONERS.
INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT JUST TO KEEP THE MEETING TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT WE GO AHEAD AT THIS TIME AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, LET THEM BE VERY, VERY BRIEF.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MORE THAN AMPLE TIME AFTER THAT TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH STAFF AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT. BUT WE'LL HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO US TO ASSIST US IN THOSE QUESTIONS. SO AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
LET'S GO AHEAD. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF, LET'S DO SO.
BUT LET'S KEEP IT REAL BRIEF AND KEEP THE DETAIL FOR LATER, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
ANY BRIEF QUESTIONS CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
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MR. DANNA, IN THE BRIEFING, WE DISCUSSED THE CONTROL POINT FOR THE R23 DENSITY, COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT WHAT THE WHAT THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT SITE IS? YES, IF I BELIEVE THE POTENTIAL FOR THE SITE WOULD BE FIVE UNITS IF ONE WERE TO MAXIMIZE THE GROWTH CONTROL POINT.OK, SO FIVE UNITS WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE.
AND THEN AND THE QUESTION IS THAT.
IS IT SOMETHING WHERE? WHAT DOES FIVE UNITS KICK IN IF THEY WENT TO FIVE UNITS? WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO DIFFERENTLY? WELL, ASIDE FROM THE, THE SITE WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL PARKING AND OPEN SPACE, SO PERHAPS THE THE ENTIRE PROJECT MAY NOT BE DETACHED UNITS, PERHAPS.
IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF UNITS, THE PROJECT QUALIFIES TO PAY IN LIEU FEES INSTEAD OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WOULD JUST ADD AN ADDITIONAL UNIT FOR IN LIEU FEES INSTEAD OF ONE UNIT, THEY WOULD PAY FOR TWO UNITS.
OK, SO SO BASICALLY, THIS DEVELOPMENT LOSES A UNIT, AND THEIR THEY DON'T QUALIFY TO INCORPORATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY'RE PAYING ME IN LIEU FEE, IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? NO, SO THEY QUALIFIED TO PAY IN LIEU FEES WHEN THE PROJECT IS SEVEN UNITS OR LESS.
SO SINCE THEY'RE AT THREE UNITS EXISTING, THEY'RE ADDING ONE UNIT, SO THEY'RE PAYING IN LIEU FEES FOR ONE UNIT.
HAVE THEY DESIGNED THE PROJECT FOR FIVE UNITS, THEY WOULD BE PAYING IN LIEU FEES FOR TWO UNITS? OK.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT, WOULD THEY LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? [INAUDIBLE] WITH US. I AM.
OK, KEVIN DUNN I AM AT TWELVE FORTY FIVE GOLD FLOWER ROAD HERE IN CARLSBAD.
I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT I AM HERE AS WELL AS MY ARCHITECT, AND I'M HAPPY AND GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU, MR. DUNN, COMMISSIONERS.
QUESTIONS AT ALL FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
OK. I DO NOT SEE ANY ANY QUESTIONS.
OK, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
MS. FLORES DO YOU HAVE ANY LETTERS OR EMAILS FOR US TO BE READ? MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM.
OK, WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM.
COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
HI. YEAH. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE STANDARDS IN THIS.
IN THE BEACH OVERLAY OR THE COASTAL ZONE OR ANYTHING, DISCUSS THE COLOR.
THERE ISN'T A COLOR REQUIREMENT IS THERE FOR ANY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? AS FAR AS LIKE EXTERIOR FAÇADE, COLOR? NOT SPECIFICALLY COLOR.
THE REQUIREMENTS MAINLY PERTAIN TO ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS DIFFERENT PLANES OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS, BUT TYPICALLY COLORS ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN THESE IN THIS IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. OK.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE PROJECT ACTUALLY WITH A SINGLE DRIVEWAY AND ALL OF THE CAR ACCESS BEING LOCATED IN ONE LOCATION IS VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT LAYOUT, AND I THINK I THINK THAT THE COLOR OF THE DARK ON TOP OF THE REST OF THE LIGHT PODIUM SEEMS TO ME LIKE A HEAT GENERATOR. AND I'M WONDERING HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CLIMATE ACTION AND HEAT GAIN AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WAS THERE SOMETHING IN OUR I KNOW THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO HAS A LIGHT COLORED MANDATE FOR PROJECTS, BUT THIS AREA IS NOT THERE.
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SO I WONDERED HOW THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE HEAT GAIN BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF A SOUTH FACING BUILDING.WE HAVE TO I GUESS I WOULD SAY IT'S WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY ALL TITLE TWENTY FOUR WHEN WE BUILD THIS BUILDING.
SO IN TERMS OF HVAC, MEPS, PROPER INSULATION, NEW WINDOWS, HEAT LOSS, ET CETERA, I THINK THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE BUILDING CODES WILL MAKE IT TO WHERE WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH TITLE TWENTY FOUR REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THE I GUESS IT WILL BRING ON SOME HEAT, BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE HARDY PLANK SHINGLES AND THOSE ARE FAIRLY WEATHERPROOF AND ALMOST PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSULATION AS WELL FOR THE BUILDING.
SO IT IS IT IS SOUTH FACING, BUT THERE IS A SOUTH FACING IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, I SHOULD SAY, FOR THE REAR TWO UNITS, BUT THERE ARE TALL THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE BACK BEHIND US AS WELL AND DOES IT AND THERE IS A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT DIRECTLY BEHIND US THAT IS THREE STORY AS WELL THAT I THINK WILL PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SHADE FOR THE FOR THE PROPERTY.
WELL, LIKE I SAY, I THINK THE THE LAYOUT IS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD.
I'M CONCERNED WITH THE DARK COLOR AND THE LACK OF WINDOWS FOR CROSS VENTILATION.
I THINK THAT THAT'S MY MAJOR CONCERN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY PASSIVE IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO. AND, YOU KNOW, TITLE 24 IS A MINIMUM STANDARD.
SO SO I APPRECIATE COMPLYING WITH CODE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, DARK BUILDINGS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GET KIND OF HOT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
AND BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT DEFERS ME OR CHANGES MY VIEW OF THIS BEING A RELATIVELY RESPONSIBLE PROJECT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE ARE I'M VERY AWARE OF CROSS VENTILATION, HAVING LIVING HERE AND HAVING LIVED AT THE BEACH.
SO EVERY ROOM IN THE IN THE HOMES THEMSELVES HAVE OPERABLE WINDOWS AND WE MAKE SURE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLANS, THE FAMILY ROOMS THEMSELVES HAVE BIG 12 FOOT SLIDER DOORS THAT OPEN AND THEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE GREAT ROOM IS THE KITCHEN.
THOSE HAVE OPERABLE WINDOWS THAT OPEN THE DINING HAS OPERABLE WINDOWS THAT OPEN.
ALL OF THE BEDROOMS ARE OPERABLE.
THE BONUS ROOM UPSTAIRS HAS OPERABLE WINDOWS THAT OPEN SO DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND AND NOT JUST THE NEED. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOWN AT THE BEACH, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT OCEAN AIR AND THAT BREEZE TO COME THROUGH THE HOUSE.
SO I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY GOOD VENTILATION BECAUSE OUR WINDOWS ARE BIG AND MOST OF THEM, IF NOT ALL OF THEM IN ALL THE ROOMS ARE OPERABLE.
MR. DALTON. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT YOU WISH TO MAKE? AND IF YOU DO, WOULD YOU PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL AS YOUR NAME? SURE. STEPHEN DALTON, I'M THE PROJECT ARCHITECT.
MY OFFICE IS IN 444 SOUTH CEDARS IN SOLANA BEACH.
JUST TO BUILD ON WHAT KEVIN'S ALREADY SAID.
ALL THE HABITABLE ROOMS, BEDROOMS, LIVING ROOMS, KITCHENS, DINING ROOMS HAVE WINDOWS ON TWO SIDES. SO THAT'S NOT JUST OPERABLE WINDOWS, BUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS HELPS GENERATE THE CROSS VENTILATION.
I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A RELATIVELY LARGE PROPORTION OF GREEN SPACE AROUND THESE HOUSES THAT ALLOW LANDSCAPE AND TO BOTH SHADE OR SHADE THE WALLS, BUT ALSO TO OFFSET ANY OF THE HEAT GAIN THAT PRODUCED ABOUT HEAT ISLAND EFFECT THAT MIGHT BE PRODUCED BY THE WALLS THEMSELVES OR THE ROOF LINE.
GREAT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER MERZ.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE JUST AN OBSERVATION IN LOOKING AT, ACTUALLY I WAS KIND OF IMPRESSED THAT THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 10 PARKING PLACES, BUT THEY PROVIDE 12.
AND TO PUT THAT MUCH, YOU KNOW THAT FOUR UNITS OF THAT SIZE AND PROVIDE TWO EXTRA PARKING PLACES IN AN AREA WHERE PARKING'S ALREADY KIND OF TIGHT BECAUSE OF THE BEACH, I THINK IS COMMENDABLE. SO I WAS I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. DUNN. I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO.
COULD YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON YOUR PUBLIC OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SURE. I MEAN, WE DID ALL OF THE REQUIRED OUTREACH THAT WAS WITH REGARDS TO NOTICING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AND WE HAD REALLY ONLY TWO PEOPLE REACH OUT TO US VERY, VERY EARLY ON, MAYBE EVEN PRELIMINARY REVIEW STAGE.
I THINK ONE AT PRELIMINARY REVIEW AND ONE JUST AFTER ONE JUST ASKING ONE PERSON JUST
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ASKING TO BE NOTIFIED OF OF PLANS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.AND THE OTHER PERSON WANTING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE SORT OF LAID OUT THE SITE, WHY WE PUT THE DRIVE AISLE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
JUST CLEAR JUST UNDERSTANDING A FEW THINGS, AND THAT WAS MAYBE SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, AND SINCE THEN WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMMUNICATION THROUGH ESTEBAN, BUT DID DO ALL THE REQUIRED PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT THE CITY DOES REQUIRE FOR THIS PROJECT.
GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OK, I SEE NONE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS? I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS, BUT ARE WE DOING DISCUSSION? WE ARE. OH, OK.
I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT COLOR FOR BUILDINGS BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED A SUBJECTIVE FACTS AND NOT AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER ATTORNEY KEMP? I MEAN, JUST AS WE DISCUSSED IT, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION FOR MY OWN PURPOSES.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE IT AS A STANDARD REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S SUBJECTIVE OR NOT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD FOR IT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AND MAYBE THE EFFECTS, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A BASIS TO DENY THE PROJECT. OK, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS. I SEE NONE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
OK. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS AT ALL? COMMISSIONER LUNA. I'M SORRY, JUST ASSUMING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS, I MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER MERZ. ARE YOU SECONDING? YES. I'LL SECOND.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LUNA SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MERZ.
MS. FLORES? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. YES.
EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHTY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU MR. DUNN, MR. DALTON. WE APPRECIATE, EXCELLENT PROJECT.
[2. SDP 2019-0015/CDP 2019-0033 (DEV2019-0156) – JEFFERSON STREET APARTMENTS]
STAFF, MR. NEU.WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER TWO? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO OUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM'S PROJECT TITLE JEFFERSON STREET APARTMENTS AND SENIOR PLANNER JASON GEOFF IS HERE TO MAKE THE STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
HEY, JASON, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR EX PARTE, COMMISSIONER LUNA EX PARTE. I'VE ATTENDED EVENTS ACTUALLY IN THE [INAUDIBLE].
YES, I GOT UP AND WALKED AROUND, AND I TOOK SPECIAL NOTE OF THE TREE THAT WAS OUT FRONT AS WELL, WHICH IS APART OF THE PROPERTY.
I ALSO VISITED THE SITE AND WENT AROUND IT AND WALKED UP AND DOWN THE STREET FROM IT.
I WALKED THE SITE FRONT AND BACK, INCLUDING THE ALLEYWAY TO THE REAR.
ALL RIGHT. MR. GOFF. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
GOOD AFTERNOON. OH, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, I'M SORRY.
THANK YOU. EX PARTE, EX PARTE.
I LOOKED IT UP ON GOOGLE MAPS AND MY DENTIST USED TO BE THERE, BUT HE'S MOVED 10 YEARS AGO. SO.
I APPRECIATE THAT. SORRY FOR THAT.
NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHTY, MR. GOFF. ALL RIGHT. LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.
THE ARE YOU SEEING MY FULL SCREEN? YES. OK.
THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS SITUATED ON.
SORRY JASON DO YOU WANT TO SWITCH TO FROM THE PRESENTER MODE TO YEP UP IN THE DISPLAY SETTINGS. YEAH, YOU GOT IT.
YEP. SWAP PERSENTER VIEW AND SLIDESHOW.
SO THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS SITUATED ON A DEVELOPED POINT THREE ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT THIRTY THIRTY NINE JEFFERSON STREET, JUST SOUTH OF THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE
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AND NORTH OF OAK AVENUE.THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN AND THE COASTAL ZONE. THE MASTER PLAN REQUIRES APPROVAL OF A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHILE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COASTAL ZONE REQUIRES APPROVAL OF A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
BOTH DEVELOPMENT PERMITS ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY, WHICH ARE BOTH EACH SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE PROJECT SITE ARE IDENTIFIED AS VILLAGE AND BARRIO AND THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM.
LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS ARE CONSISTENT.
HERE'S AN AERIAL PHOTO WITH THE PROJECT SITE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
THE SITE CONSISTS OF RELATIVELY OF A RELATIVELY LEVEL PROPERTY AND IS DEVELOPED WITH FOUR ONE STORY STRUCTURES CONSTRUCTED IN 1976.
THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY COMMERCIAL OFFICE TYPE USES.
ALLEY ACCESS IS AVAILABLE TO THE PROJECT SITE, AS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SLIDE.
SURROUNDING LAND USES CONSISTS OF A MIX OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY CONSISTS OF A FOUR STORY MIXED USE BUILDING WITH 17 RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT UNITS RANGING IN SIZE FROM EIGHT HUNDRED AND TEN TO ONE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND TEN SQUARE FEET, AS WELL AS TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR FRONTING JEFFERSON STREET.
THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT IS FIFTY THREE DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE, WITH A THIRTY FIVE PERCENT STATE DENSITY BONUS INCLUDED.
IN EXCHANGE FOR THE INCREASED DENSITY.
THE PROJECT IS PROVIDING THREE AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS ON SITE, WHICH EQUATES TO 20 PERCENT INCLUSIONARY HOUSING BEING AFFORDABLE TO LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
THE AFFORDABLE UNITS WILL BE LOCATED WITHIN UNITS FOUR, SEVEN AND 17 OF THESE UNITS, AND I'M SORRY AND 17 OF THESE UNITS WILL RANGE IN SIZE FROM EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTY SQUARE FEET TO ELEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY SQUARE FEET.
LOCATED BETWEEN THE TWO GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SUITES, THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES A LOBBY FOR ACCESSING THE THREE RESIDENTIAL LEVELS ABOVE.
ABOVE THE RETAIL COMMERCIAL SUITES IS A ROOF TERRACE WITH A ONE THOUSAND EIGHTY FIVE SQUARE FOOT COMMON RECREATIONAL AMENITY RESERVED FOR RESIDENTIAL TENANTS OF THE BUILDING.
ONSITE VEHICULAR PARKING IS PROVIDED VIA AN AT GRADE PARKING GARAGE, WITH 19 VEHICLE PARKING SPACES ACCESSED FROM THE ALLEY.
SOLAR PANELS HAVE BEEN LOCATED ON THE ROOF AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SPACES ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE.
AT THE STREET LEVEL ALONG JEFFERSON, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY YOU SEE HERE, ACCESSING THE PROJECT SITE WILL BE CLOSED AND REPLACED WITH NEW PARKWAY LANDSCAPE, SIDEWALK CURB AND GUTTER. CLOSING THIS DRIVEWAY NOT ONLY ENHANCES THE STREET SCENE, BUT IT ALSO CREATES ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARALLEL PARKING ALONG JEFFERSON.
SORRY, YES, THE LARGE CITY STREET TREE THAT YOU SEE IN THE PARKWAY IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN.
THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU TODAY INCLUDE SEVERAL CONDITIONS REGARDING THE EXISTING STREET TREES PROTECTION BEFORE AND DURING CONSTRUCTION.
TO THIS EFFECT, AFTER A RECENT DISCUSSION WITH PARK STAFF, IT WAS REALIZED THAT AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION WAS NECESSARY.
THIS NEW CONDITION IS BEING ADDED IN THE FORM OF AN ERRATA, WHICH WAS CIRCULATED OUT TO EACH OF YOU TODAY VIA EMAIL.
THIS ADDED CONDITION SEEKS TO ASSESS THE HEALTH TREE TWO YEARS FOLLOWING THE CITY'S ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE PROJECT.
THE CITY'S PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ASSESSING THE TREE'S HEALTH SHOULD IT BE DETERMINED THAT THE STREET TREE IS IN A STATE OF DECLINE, REQUIRING ITS REMOVAL.
THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE MIXED USE PROJECT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF ITS REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT, INCLUDING THE PURCHASE COSTS OF THE NEW TREE UP TO A MAXIMUM THIRTY SIX INCH BOX SIZE.
THIS CONDITION HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT. I SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THEY ARE HERE TODAY AND CAN VERBALLY CONFIRM THEIR AGREEMENT TO THE COMMISSION IF NECESSARY.
BEFORE I CONCLUDE, I HAVE A FEW EXTRA SLIDES TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH SHOWING OTHER ANGLES OF THE BUILDING AS RENDERED, THIS RENDERING ILLUSTRATES THE NORTH FACING ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING ALONG THIS NORTH SIDE YARD AND ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN SET BACK OFF THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND SIX FEET TO HELP PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ALONG THIS ELEVATION CAN BE REDUCED TO ZERO FEET UNDER THE MASTER PLAN.
LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED ALONG THE SIDE ELEVATION WITH BOUGAINVILLEA TRELLIS TO THE PORTION OF TO A PORTION OF THE WALL.
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FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUILDING ALSO STEPS BACK WITH ELEVATION, ESPECIALLY FROM JEFFERSON STREET, WHICH RANGES BETWEEN ZERO FEET AT THE GROUND FLOOR AND APPROXIMATELY THIRTY TWO FEET AT THE FOURTH FLOOR.HERE'S A SOUTH FACING ELEVATION, THIS ELEVATION ADJOINS A PROPERTY WITH AN EXISTING REAL ESTATE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE FOREGROUND.
THE PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE PROPOSED BUILDING CONSIST OF STUCCO WITH DECORATIVE TILE INLAYS AND SOME WOOD ELEMENTS IN THE FORM OF DECORATIVE OUTLOOK AND TRELLIS FEATURES.
THE ROOF MATERIAL IS A STANDING SEAM METAL.
THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTERPLAN REQUIREMENTS, ALLOWING FOR FOUR STORIES UP TO FORTY FIVE FEET.
THIS BUILDING RANGES IN HEIGHT FROM FORTY FOUR FOOT THREE INCHES TO FORTY FIVE FEET.
A STAIR TOWER WITH FIRE ACCESS TO THE ROOF IS LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND EXTENDS UP TO A HEIGHT OF FORTY NINE FOOT ONE INCH.
THIS ADDITIONAL FOUR FOOT ONE INCH IS CONSIDERED AN ALLOWED PROTRUSION ABOVE HEIGHT LIMITS AND IS PERMITTED BY THE MASTER PLAN AND THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE.
HERE'S THE WEST FACING ELEVATION, WHICH IS FRONTING THE ALLEY.
ACCESS TO THE PARKING GARAGE IS LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THIS PICTURE SHOWS ACCESS WITH THE SECURITY GATE CLOSED.
LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING AND WILL HELP TO ENHANCE THE ALLEY.
LASTLY, WE HAVE A COLOR SITE PLAN SHOWING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING SITUATED ON THE LOT. FROM THIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROJECT COVERS APPROXIMATELY 90 PERCENT OF THE LOT AND IS PROVIDING SOME SETBACK RELIEF ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
THE MAIN TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT THE SDG&E TRANSFORMER HAS BEEN LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE ALLEY AND OUT OF VIEW FROM THE JEFFERSON STREET PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE BY POINTING OUT THAT THE PROJECT WAS ANALYZED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
THE DENSITY BONUS ORDINANCE, THE CARLSBAD'S VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN, QUALIFIED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY ZONE, THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, GROWTH MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS AND THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
THERE ARE NO VARIANCES OR MODIFICATIONS TO STANDARDS PROPOSED AND AS INDICATED IN THE PROJECT STAFF REPORT AND ATTACHED RESOLUTION.
ALL REQUIRED FINDINGS SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT CAN BE MADE. ADDITIONALLY, STATE LAW ALSO INCLUDES THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT WITH SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON CITY ACTIONS FOR HOUSING PROJECTS.
CITIES CANNOT DISAPPROVE A PROJECT OR IMPOSE A CONDITION REQUIRING LOWER DENSITY UNLESS THE CITY FINDS BASED ON A PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY, OR THERE IS NO FEASIBLE METHOD TO SATISFACTORILY MITIGATE OR AVOID SUCH ADVERSE IMPACT.
BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED, STAFF DOES NOT FIND THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS, STAFF SUPPORTS THE PROJECT AND REQUESTS THAT YOU ADOPT THE ASSOCIATED RESOLUTION, INCLUDING THE ERRATA THAT WAS CIRCULATED TODAY.
BEFORE I CONCLUDE, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER ARE HERE TODAY AND ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GOFF. APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? MR. STINE. EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER STINE.
THANK YOU. REAL BRIEFLY, MR. GOFF, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE PROXIMITY TO THE TRANSIT CENTER AFFECTS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT, PLEASE? YES. THIS PROJECT IS WITHIN WITHIN LESS THAN A HALF A MILE OF THE PROJECT SITE, WHERE STATE STATE LAWS ALLOWED TO HAVE A PARKING STANDARD OF ONE, OR, I'M SORRY, HALF A SPACE PER BEDROOM.
AND SO AS A RESULT, THE RULES WITH REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF PARKING HAVE BEEN LIMITED IN EFFECT REDUCED IN EFFECT, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT BY A DIFFERENCE OF EIGHT SPACES.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MERZ.
ON THE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE FRONT OF JEFFERSON STREET, THERE AGAIN, WAS THAT JUST THE ENTIRE FRONT GROUND FLOOR, WHICH REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE THE REQUIREMENT WAS BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION OF THE ENTIRE FRONT HAS TO BE THERE OR IT HAS TO BE ONE OR TWO UNITS AS A FUNCTION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR RETAIL ON THE FRONT THERE? THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER DISTRICT OF THE OF THE CARLSBAD OR CARLSBAD MASTER, CARLSBAD VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTERPLAN, AND THE.
THERE'S A GRAPHIC IN THERE THAT SHOWS WHAT PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT AREA ARE REQUIRED TO BE OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS PROJECT THIS SITE DOES DOES INCLUDE THAT GRAPHIC OR DOES INCLUDE THAT
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REQUIREMENT, WHICH EXTENDS SOUTH TO OAK AVENUE ALONG JEFFERSON.AND SPECIFICALLY SO THERE'S TWO UNITS OF ROUGHLY OVER TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. SO WERE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT DOES THAT EXTEND ALL ALONG A COMPLETE FRONT OF JEFFERSON? OR WAS IT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OR JUST THE LENGTH, THE LINEAL FRONTAGE? OR HOW WAS IT? THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 80 PERCENT OF THEIR FRONTAGE WITH.
OH WOW. 80 PERCENT OF THE FRONTAGE.
80 PERCENT OF IT, AND I BELIEVE 20 PERCENT CAN BE OCCUPIED BY BY A LOBBY.
OH, WOW. SO THAT PRETTY MUCH TAKES UP THE WHOLE FRONT RIGHT THERE, THERE'S NO OK I GET IT.
THANKS. SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
NO, NO, NO, NO, IT'S VERY GOOD.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION VERY WELL.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. THANK YOU, MR. GOFF. THE, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE FIVE, THE SUMMARY OF THE DENSITY BONUS REQUEST.
SO COULD YOU JUST RUN THROUGH THAT FOR ME, JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT THE POTENTIAL OF THAT SITE WITHOUT THE DENSITY BONUS AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS? I MEAN, WHAT WE SEE AND IS IT IS THAT THE MAXIMUM THEY CAN HAVE 17 OR COULD THEY HAVE MORE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
YES, THE OF THE DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW FOR 12 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THE PROJECT, WITH THIRTY FIVE PERCENT DENSITY BONUS IS IS ALLOWED TO GO UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 17 UNITS.
SO THAT EQUATES TO 53 DWELLING UNITS WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TODAY, SO THIS IS THE MAXIMUM.
OK, SO SO THE EXISTING RIGHT NOW IS 12 TO ONE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND IT GOES UP TO FIFTY THREE. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
12, 12 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD EQUATE TO A 30, 35 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE.
OK. WITH THE THIRTY FIVE PERCENT DENSITY BONUS INCREASE, IT ALLOWS UP TO FIFTY THREE.
SO COULD THERE BE MORE UNITS THAN 17? I WOULD I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CITY PLANNER AS IT RELATES PRIMARILY MAYBE HIS KNOWLEDGE OF DENSITY BONUS.
I THINK IF YOU DELVE DEEPER INTO THE EXTREMES OF OF THE INCOME QUALIFICATIONS, I THINK MAYBE YOU CAN GO HIGHER.
MR. NEU? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, I THINK FOR STANDARD PROJECTS, IT'S THIRTY FIVE IS THE TOP, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME RECENT CHANGES TO DENSITY BONUS LAW THAT ALLOWED 50, 50 PERCENT OR GREATER IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS LIKE TRANSIT, PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT STATIONS AND ALL SO.
BUT IN TERMS OF OUR STANDARD DENSITY BONUS PROVISIONS, THE THIRTY FIVE TENDS TO BE THE TOP PART OF A TYPICAL PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE SPECIAL FEATURES IN TERMS OF OCCUPANTS OR LOCATION. YEAH, I GUESS I GUESS MY QUESTION ISN'T THE MAXIMUM OF THE THIRTY FIVE PERCENT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS.
BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE UNITS IS EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND HIGHER, COULD MORE UNITS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT? NO. OK.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE OVERALL, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THAT TOP STAIR TOWER? FORTY NINE FOOT ONE INCH.
OK. AND AND YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TREE.
SO. IF IT IS DETERMINED TO BE IN A STATE OF DECLINE BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, IT WILL JUST BE REPLACED ON A ONE TO ONE RATIO? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.
I WAS UNDER THE I HAD THE UNDERSTANDING IN THIS MAY BE INCORRECT THAT THERE WAS A POLICY THAT REQUIRED A FOUR TO ONE REPLACEMENT RATIO OR WAS THAT JUST ON THE LAST PROJECT? THEY JUST. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT.
YES THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, NO WE HAVE SEEN PARKS ASK FOR A RATIO FOR THE REMOVAL OF STREET TREES. IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THIS CASE, I THINK AS MR. GOFF WAS SHOWING, THE PARKWAY WILL GET TWO ADDITIONAL TREES WITH THE PROJECT.
SO IT MAY BE THAT PARKS HAD TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL FOR REMOVAL, BUT IT IS SET UP THAT THERE'LL BE SOME TRIMMING OF THE TREE AND ALL FOR THE
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PROJECT TO FIT AND THE IMPROVEMENTS.AND THIS IS SORT OF IN THE EVENT THAT THE TREE DOESN'T SURVIVE ANY SORT OF CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OR OR JUST JUST TRIMMING TO THAT, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THEN TO REPLACE IT.
YEAH, I WAS VISITING THE SITE AND IT LOOKS PRETTY MASSIVE.
IT DEFINITELY. THEY DEFINITELY HAVE TO TRIM IT SOME.
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING DILEMMA BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF SPECIMEN YOU REALLY WANT FOR A STREET TREE. GIVEN THE THE LITTER AND THE ROOT ISSUES, BUT IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL TREE THAT I THINK ADDS CHARACTER.
ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
YEAH, JUST BACK ON THE TREE, REAL, REAL QUICK, IS IT A HERITAGE TREE? NO, IT IS NOT. IT'S NOT.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PROTECTED UNDER THE CITY'S HERITAGE TREE PROGRAM, BUT IT'S PROTECTED BECAUSE OF THE PARK'S MAINTENANCE OF IT.
IT'S ONLY IT'S ONLY PROTECTED BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND IT'S CONSIDERED A CITY STREET TREE.
THEY RECENTLY DID AN INVENTORY OF ALL THE TREES IN THE CITY, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER STREET TREES THAT YOU SEE ALONG JEFFERSON.
SO THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN TRYING TO KEEP IT AND PRESERVE IT, AND IT'S IN ITS STATE.
THERE IS A LOT OF EFFORT WENT INTO THE REVIEW OF THE ARBORIST PLAN THAT WE REFERENCE IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
WE DID MEET OUT AT THE SITE WITH THEIR ARBORIST AS WELL AS THE CITY'S ARBORIST.
THE FOLLOW UP CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH OUR CITY ARBORIST IN PARKS WAS.
THEY WEREN'T HE WASN'T REALLY THAT CONCERNED WITH WITH THE WITH THE FICUS TREE THAT HE SAYS THEY'RE THEY'RE EXTREMELY HARDY.
HE SAID HE'S SEEN THEM, HE'S SEEN THEM BE ABLE TO DO ROOT PRUNING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TRUNK OF THAT TREE IS NOT REALLY CONCERNED.
HE WAS HAPPY THAT WE WERE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION.
BUT. BUT WASN'T CONCERNED WITH ITS SURVIVABILITY OR ITS HEALTH.
AND DID IT HAVE ANY? JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, DID IT DID THE DECISION TO AVOID SUBTERRANEAN PARKING HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TREE? NO, IT DID NOT.
THAT WAS THAT WAS MORE OF A FUNCTION OF COST.
AND THE AFFORDABILITY, THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
OK. NO FURTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? HI, THIS IS CHRIS MARTIN.
I'M THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE.
OK. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU AND GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
OKAY. JASON DID A GREAT JOB DESCRIBING.
OH NO, COULD YOU FOR THE RECORD? SIR COULD YOU PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL.
IT'S 2900 FOURTH AVENUE SUITE 110 SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 92103.
AND YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN? MARTIN M A R T I N.
ABSOLUTELY. JASON HIT PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TALKING POINTS REGARDING THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF MASS DENSITY AND EVERYTHING THAT COMPLIES TO THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE MASTER PLAN.
ONE THING THAT I DID WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO NOTE IS THIS IS A TWO YEAR PROCESS IN WHICH WE'VE GONE THROUGH A SERIES OF EVOLUTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN.
THE FIRST ONE, WHICH WAS MUCH MORE MASSIVE AND BULKY, BUT STILL CONFORMED WITH THE BARRIO [INAUDIBLE] PLAN, BUT IT DIDN'T SET BACK AS FAR FROM JEFFERSON, AND IT DEFINITELY DIDN'T DO THAT TO THE NORTH SIDE, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS.
SO THROUGH A SERIES OF REDESIGNS, WE'VE BASICALLY PUSHED THINGS BACK AND CREATED A DIFFERENT SORT OF VISUAL IMPACT WHERE WE WOULD VARY.
THE ROOF LINES REDUCE THE MASS, ESPECIALLY FROM A PEDESTRIAN LEVEL POINT OF VIEW, AND THAT'S HOW THIS HAS BASICALLY SHAPED THE WAY IT IS NOW.
SO FROM THE NORTH SIDE, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, AT ONE POINT THIS BUILDING WAS MIRRORED AND THERE WAS NO SETBACK ON THAT NORTH END.
PLANNING HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE WOULD BE JUST RIGHT UP IN THE PROPERTY LINE OF THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE BASICALLY FLIPPED IT AND THEN ALSO REDESIGNED THAT WHOLE NORTH FACE TO CREATE A DIFFERENT MASS AND PUSH THINGS IN AND OUT. AND SOME OF THE SETBACK INFORMATION THAT JASON HAD STATED THAT'S ACTUALLY TO THE
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STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE DECK WALLS, WHICH ONLY FOUR FEET HIGH.SO WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THE BUILDING LINE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
BASICALLY, FROM PROPERTY LINE TO THE BUILDING WALL, IT EXTENDS FURTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE EACH DECK IS SIX FEET DEEP, SO THAT ALSO HELPS TO TRY TO KEEP IT FROM BEING THIS TOWERING ELEMENT ON THE THE NORTH SIDE.
LET'S SEE ANYTHING ELSE I WANTED TO HIT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I WANTED TO ARTICULATE IS THAT THIS HAS GONE THROUGH A PAINSTAKING PROCESS OF TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NORTH NEIGHBOR, AS WELL AS THE JEFFERSON SIDE FROM THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT STILL CAN FIT WITHIN THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE MASTERPLAN BUT BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE AS A PROJECT AS WELL. AND THERE'S ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO HIT IN TERMS OF THE SUBTERRANEAN PARKING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, FINANCIALLY.
THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THIS PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THE MAX CAP ON THIS WITH THE DENSITY BONUS ONLY ENDS UP WITH 17 UNITS.
THE PRICE PER PARKING SPACE TO GO BELOW, ESSENTIALLY WITH THE SOIL THAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND UNDER THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL, WE WE DID CAP OUT ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT 35 PERCENT. I KNOW THE REGULATIONS HAVE PROBABLY CHANGED AS THEY HAVE DOWN HERE IN SAN DIEGO, BUT DURING THIS MIDDLE, WE THAT WAS THE LARGEST PORTION WE COULD TAKE WAS THAT 35 PERCENT, WHICH ROUNDED UP TO FIVE EXTRA UNITS.
ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. MARTIN, AT THIS TIME.
I DID WANT TO INTRODUCE THE OWNERS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE SAW SOME OF THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER WHO STARTED THIS APPLICATION, HE'S NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT AT ALL. THIS PROJECT WAS SOLD DURING THE REVIEW PHASE.
I WAS ACTUALLY SOLD AT THE END WHEN WE HAD APPROVAL WITH PLANNING.
AND IF IF IT'S OK, WE COULD INTRODUCE THEM NOW.
SURE. IF THEY'RE ON THE LINE. IF NOT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY FAMILY AND I ARE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND CARLSBAD FOR THE PAST 27 YEARS, AND WE HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY.
NOT TOO LONG AGO, LESS THAN MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO ALTHOUGH WE WEREN'T INVOLVED FROM FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, WE ARE.
WE HAVE TAKEN OVER AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND I STAND BY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. MR. [INAUDIBLE], I APPRECIATE. IS THERE ANOTHER OWNER? NO. MR. MARTIN? OK. MR. [INAUDIBLE], I HAVE A QUESTION.
GIVEN THAT YOU'VE ONLY OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, HAVE YOU MADE ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLANS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO US TODAY SINCE SUBSEQUENT TO YOUR PURCHASE? NO, NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND WE DON'T INTEND TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AS PRESENTED AND PROPOSED.
OTHER QUESTION FOR MR. MARTIN. THE LOBBY AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTIAL IS GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT GOING TO HAVE A SECURITY TYPE OF CONCEPT WITH CAMERAS AND OR LOCKED DOORS, ET CETERA? WHAT IS THE PLAN? YES.
IT'LL HAVE A CONVENTIONAL MAG LOCK ENTRY SYSTEM WITH CAMERAS IN THE LOBBY, SO ONLY THE TENANTS CAN ACCESS THE PROPERTY WITHIN.
OK. COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? OK, I SEE NONE. I'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY, MS. FLORES. YES, MR. CHAIR, THERE IS ONE COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED ON THE PROJECT AND THE.
TRYING TO START IN THE PORTION, THE PROPOSED 17 UNIT APARTMENTS PLUS TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE IS TOO DENSE THIS ZERO POINT THREE TWO ACRE SITE AS WELL.
IT WOULD BE SITUATED SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE OF MAINLY ONE STORY RESIDENCES ON THE WEST SIDE OF JEFFERSON STREET.
TWO STREET PARKING IS ALREADY AT A PREMIUM ON THIS STRETCH OF STRETCH OF JEFFERSON STREET BEYOND THE AT GRADE PARKING IN THE PROPOSAL.
YOU CAN ANTICIPATE OVERFLOW PARKING ON THE STREET BY VISITORS OF THE BUSINESSES AND
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TENANTS WHO HAVE MULTIPLE VEHICLES BEYOND WHAT THE PROPOSAL PROVIDES, CURRENT RESIDENCES AND NEARBY BUSINESSES WOULD SUFFER FROM LACK OF AVAILABLE PARKING.THREE THE ALLEYWAY IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS VERY NARROW, OFTEN BLOCKED BY GARBAGE TRUCKS OR DELIVERY TRUCKS AT THE KFC TACO BELL.
IF REAR ALLEYWAY ENTRY EXIT IS PLANNED.
THIS JUST ADDS TO THE ALLEY CONGESTION THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
A TRAFFIC STUDY ON JEFFERSON STREET AND THE MADISON STREET ALLEY SHOULD BE CONDUCTED BY THE CITY, EVEN IF IT IS NOT REQUIRED BY THE CITY FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
FOUR WHILE BEING. WHILE THESE BIG, UGLY, BIG BOX CONSTRUCTIONS SUCH AS THE ONE PROPOSED, ARE APPEARING ALL OVER DOWNTOWN CARLSBAD, WHAT IS ESPECIALLY GALLING ABOUT THIS ONE IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, DR.
BRUCE BAKER, IS A CONVICTED TAX CHEAT, SEE ATTACHED SD NEWS.COM ARTICLE WHY WOULD CARLSBAD DESIRE TO HAVE THIS FELONIOUS INDIVIDUAL CONTINUE TO SPREAD HIS DIRTY MONEY THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN CARLSBAD? I, FOR ONE, DO NOT WANT THIS KIND OF CRIMINAL ELEMENT CONSTRUCTING YET ANOTHER BIG BOX TOO DENSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR TO MY PROPERTY AT 3037 JEFFERSON STREET.
THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE COMMENTS.
THAT IS THE ONLY COMMENT WE RECEIVED FOR THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU, MS. FLORES. I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AT THIS TIME.
DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THE ROOF PLAN, WHICH IS DRAWING A2.0 AND THERE ARE SOLAR PANELS ARE ON A VERY LARGE EXPANSE OF THE ROOF, THAT IS NOT.
I WAS TOLD IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE SOLAR PANELS ARE NOT ON THE ROOF STRUCTURE ITSELF AND ON THE FLAT PART OF THE ROOF AND WHY THAT BULKHEAD NEEDS TO BE SO HIGH IF THAT IS KIND OF AN INACCESSIBLE AREA.
OKAY. THIS IS REGARDING THE SOLAR PANEL LOCATIONS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? WELL, IT'S REALLY THE BIG PATIO, THE BIG DECK THAT'S UP THERE.
SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT BIG DECK JUST TO YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.
YEAH, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THREE THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE SOLAR PANELS ARE, WELL, I'LL GO BACK TO THE FLAT ROOF ARTICULATION TO ACTUALLY CONFORM WITH THE HEIGHT LIMIT AND CONFORM WITH THE SLOPED ROOF CONDITIONS THAT WE WERE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF THE DESIGN ELEMENT.
WE COULDN'T CONTINUE THE SLOPE TO A GABLE POINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SO IT HAD TO BECOME A [INAUDIBLE] ROOF, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LARGE, FLAT AREA.
NOW WITH THAT FLAT AREA, THOUGH, WE'RE AFFORDED A WAY TO HIDE THE MECHANICAL UNITS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THESE LITTLE SQUARES IN BETWEEN THE SOLAR PANELS. THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MECHANICALS ARE.
MECHANICAL UNITS ARE GOING TO BE PLACED AND THEY ARE DEAD CENTER IN THE BUILDING BEHIND THE PARAPET WALLS. SO THEY WON'T BE THEY WON'T BE SEEN WHATSOEVER UNLESS THERE'S A TALLER BUILDING THAT COMES IN, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE AND THE SOLAR PANELS THEMSELVES, THEY'RE NOT AN ATTRACTIVE FEATURE OF ARCHITECTURE, SO WE TREATED THEM MUCH LIKE WE TREATED THEM AS AS WE TREAT MECHANICAL UNITS.
WE PUSH THEM BACK AND HID THEM BEHIND A PARAPET INSTEAD OF PLACING THEM ON A SLOPE ROOF.
SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT QUICK QUESTION OF.
IF IT'S ALL IF IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A ROOF DECK THAT'S ACCESSIBLE, WHY DOES IT NEED A BULKHEAD INSTEAD OF A ROOF HATCH ON THAT ROOF? THAT WOULD. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT WOULD LOWER YES, YOU HAVE STAIR ACCESS TO THAT ELEMENT.
AND IT SEEMS THAT IF IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHY DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A BULKHEAD STAIR AS OPPOSED TO ROOF HATCHES? THERE'S A CONDITION OF THE CBC THAT REQUIRES FOUR STORY BUILDINGS OF TYPE ONE AND TYPE FIVE CONSTRUCTION THAT ONE OF THE ACCESS STAIRS HAS TO GO TO THE ROOFTOP, AND IT HAS TO BE ON A EXTENSION THROUGH THE STAIRWAYS VIA THE STAIR ITSELF OR AN ALTERNATING TREAD DEVICE. THEY ACTUALLY WE SPOKE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THIS, AND WE'VE HAD THIS HAPPEN ON OTHER PROJECTS.
THEY WON'T APPROVE A HATCH AT THIS POINT UNLESS WE COULD PROVIDE AN ALTERNATING TREAD DEVICE AT THE LANDING, WHICH WE'D HAVE TO PUSH UP ANYWAYS BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A
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STAIRCASE. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO AVOID THE THE PORTION OF THAT ROOF THAT DOES THAT BULKHEAD AREA, AND THAT'S WHY WE END UP RELOCATING IT TO THE BACK STAIRCASE INSTEAD OF THE FRONT. SO IT WOULDN'T IMPEDE THE FAÇADE FROM JEFFERSON, AND IT WOULD BE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE OUTSIDE.OK. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
HAVE YOU REACHED OUT OR IS HE REACHED OUT TO YOU THE MR. VITALE WITH REGARD TO HIS COMMENTS? HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH HIM? MR. MARTIN, NO, IS THIS IS THIS THE GENTLEMAN, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH? THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN WHO MADE THE COMMENTS IN AN EMAIL CRITICAL OF THE PROJECT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THESE ISSUES WITH HIM? NO, WE HAVE NOT. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW, THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER MERZ. IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND YOU KNOW.
NOW PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, YOU KNOW.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A DEMAND FOR HOUSING, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MEET OUR HOUSING NUMBERS.
IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT RETAIL ON THE FRONT OF JEFFERSON.
JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHT WAS ON DEMAND.
YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE IS DEMAND OR LIKELY USES FOR THE COMMERCIAL THERE YOU GET THERE.
I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR OPINION ON THAT AND FEEL FREE TO PASS ON THAT QUESTION IF YOU WANT.
I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. NO, NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY THOUGHT PUT INTO THAT ONLY BECAUSE THE SPACES ARE REALLY SMALL, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY SORT OF OCCUPANCY THAT IS GOING TO BE AN A TYPE OF OCCUPANCY, LIKE A FULL BLOWN RESTAURANT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THESE ARE SMALL SHOPKEEPERS THAT WILL HAVE A B OCCUPANCY, POSSIBLY A COFFEE SHOP, MAYBE A MERCANTILE BUSINESS LIKE A CLOTHES VENDOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE WANTED TO KEEP IT SMALL FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, TO MINIMIZE KIND OF THE IMPACT OF THE PARKING THAT WILL WOULD BE REQUIRED AND TWO THE LEASE-ABILITY ON SOME OF THE LARGER SPACES JUST ISN'T FINANCIALLY VIABLE THESE DAYS, WHEN A LOT OF TENANTS, COMMERCIAL TENANTS ARE LOOKING FOR SMALLER SPACES, ESSENTIALLY. AND THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE RENTED EASIER TO A SMALLER, SMALLER STORE OWNER VERSUS A LARGE MASS MARKET STORE OR RETAIL STORE.
INTERESTING THAT YOU MENTION YOUR ANSWER, YOU MENTIONED SLIGHT LIKE A CLASS B TYPE OF TENANT. SO IT'S JUST THAT'S AN INTERESTING COMMENT.
YOU HAVE I KNOW THIS BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GROUND FLOOR FLOOR PLAN, IT'S JUST INTERESTING HOW THE ROUTE IS REQUIRED TO TAKE UP THAT WHOLE FRONT ALONG THERE, PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE FRONT ALONG WITH RETAIL.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF CURIOUS TO GET YOUR OPINION ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
YEAH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITE BEING LIKE THE SOIL BEING A PROBLEM, SO I WONDERED WHAT THAT COMMENT WAS, AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU COULD ARTICULATE THAT A LITTLE MORE? I'M CONCERNED WITH THE BLANK WALLS THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AT THE BASE OF ON THE SIDE YARDS.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ZERO LOT LINE.
I UNDERSTAND WE NEED FIRE SEPARATION, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTERPLAN REQUIREMENT OF THE BUILDING ARTICULATION NUMBER SEVEN, MINIMIZING BLANK WALLS. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS HOW ARE WE JUSTIFYING THAT BLANK WALL PODIUM WITH THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO AND HOW IS THAT KIND OF RECONCILING TO COMPLY? MR. MARTIN? YES, JASON BROUGHT THIS UP TOO RECENTLY, AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS FROM OUR OFFICE POINT OF VIEW WAS THAT THE VISUAL IMPACT WAS SPECIFIC TO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM JEFFERSON. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON JEFFERSON AND THEN PORTIONS OF ABOVE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, NOW.
THE ZERO LOT LINE DOES DICTATE THE LAYOUT OF THE GROUND FLOOR ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A LARGE DRIVE ISLE WITHIN THE PARKING STRUCTURE, 20 FOOT SPACES VERSUS AN 18TH
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STANDARD IN DEPTH.AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM TO REDUCE THAT WITHOUT REDUCING PARKING OR ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO REDUCE PARKING.
AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL BREAK UP OF THE FAÇADE.
WE DID EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD FROM THE SECOND FLOOR ABOVE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WITH THE LOWER PORTION, ALTHOUGH IT'S A FLAT FAÇADE ALONG THE WAY, IT DOES VARY IN HEIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE A 15 FOOT SECTION, 15 FOOT HIGH SECTION FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION AND THEN IT DIPS DOWN TO A 10 FOOT SECTION ON THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
SO FOR 30 PLUS FEET, IT'S HIGH.
AND THEN THE OTHER PORTION, IT'S IT'S LOW.
IT DOESN'T RESOLVE THE FLAT PORTION THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE GRAY AREAS WITHIN THE THE VILLAGE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH, IF THEY DECIDED TO DEVELOP AND THEN WENT ZERO LOT LINE THE IMPACT VISUAL IMPACT OF THAT SIDE ON THE GROUND FLOOR ONLY GETS NEGATED BECAUSE THEY COULD DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT FAÇADE AGAIN, WHICH IS WHAT I THOUGHT THE MAJORITY OF THE CODE IS RELATES TO.
NOW, IN TERMS OF THE SOIL PORTION, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANTED ME TO ANSWER THAT.
WE HAVE EXPANSIVE SOIL IN PORTION OF THE SITE, AND IT WAS A DIFFICULT PROCESS TO MITIGATE THE STORM WATER PORTION, SO TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE PARKING BY GOING DOWN WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE IMPOSSIBILITIES THAT WE COULDN'T DO.
AND IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK ANYWAYS, BECAUSE THE MASS OF THE BUILDING FROM THE SECOND TO FOURTH FLOOR STILL REQUIRES A DECENT PODIUM SLAB TO ACCOMMODATE THE STRUCTURE ABOVE.
ANYWAYS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ROOF PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE PODIUM BELOW AND SAY, HYPOTHETICALLY, WE COULD PUSH THE LOWER LEVEL IN SOME AND THERE WAS NO PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND WE COULD REDUCE OUR PARKING.
THERE WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT IN THE END.
HOPEFULLY THAT WAS SOMEWHAT DESCRIPTIVE.
A LITTLE BIT, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU MITIGATE THE EXPANSE OF SOILS? TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ANY? MAT SLAB, WHEN YOU HAVE TO EXCAVATE, RE-COMPACT, IT'S BASICALLY EXCAVATION, RE-COMPACTION AND A MAT SLAB.
HOW FAR DO YOU HAVE TO EXCAVATE? WELL, OUR MAT LAB WILL PROBABLY MOST LIKELY BE TWO AND A HALF TO THREE FEET DEEP, AND EXCAVATION BELOW THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER TWO TO RE-COMPACT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET OF EXCAVATION AND RE-COMPACTION.
THAT WOULD LOWER THAT PODIUM SIGNIFICANTLY IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY JUST WORK ON THE COMPACTED SOIL.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY AND THE BLANKNESS. WELL, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS IT'S NOT JUST AN EXCAVATION PORTION, BECAUSE IF YOU EXCAVATE DOWN AND RE-COMPACT, WE HAVE TO EXCAVATE DOWN FURTHER BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE A STRUCTURAL SLAB AT THE FOOT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER SEVEN FEET OF EXCAVATION, WHICH UNDERGROUND. YEAH.
ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS BY COMMISSIONERS? ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSION DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES, GIVEN THIS PROJECT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS KIND OF RESPOND TO TWO OF THE EMAILS THAT WE RECEIVED THAT ARE CRITICAL.
PROJECT FIRST EMAIL IS ASKING US TO SAVE THE TREE.
WELL, THERE IS A MAGNIFICENT FICUS TREE AND IT'S GOING TO BE SAVED.
IF THE CONDITION, IF IT BECOMES DEAD OR DECAYING, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
BUT FACTUALLY, IT IS GOING TO BE SAVED AND THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO ADDITIONAL SMALLER TREES ON EACH SIDE.
SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CHOPPING DOWN A MAGNIFICENT TREE.
SECOND OF ALL, WITH REGARD TO THE COMMENTS FROM MR. VITALE, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT DENSIFICATION HERE, AND THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
WE ARE TAKING A BASICALLY A LOT THAT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE.
AND WHERE OUR CODE TALKS ABOUT 12 UNITS MAX, WE'RE SQUEEZING ANOTHER FIVE IN THERE.
BUT THAT'S PERHAPS UNFORTUNATE, BUT I THINK WE'RE HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED THERE BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT, STATE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT TRANSLATED INTO CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT BASICALLY SAY WE NEED TO DO THAT.
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SO YES, THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN TERMS OF DENSIFICATION. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT'S A PRICE THAT THE LAW SEEMS TO REQUIRE.AND NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT OUR CODE WOULD HAVE A LESS DENSE PROJECT, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE RULES THAT WE HAVE HERE.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT OTHER THINGS.
THERE WAS A COMMENT AND ALSO WITH REGARD FROM MR. VITALE ABOUT THIS BEING A BIG BOX DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, A PLAIN VANILLA MARKET.
THIS IS ANYTHING BUT THE RENDERINGS THAT I SAW SUGGEST TO ME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY ATTRACTIVE, WELL-DESIGNED PROJECT THAT'S SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WITH REGARD TO THE TREES AND WITH THE ARTICULATION.
I LIKE THE FACT ALSO THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE NOT SHOVED IN A CORNER OF SOMEWHERE.
THEY'RE SPREAD ON VARIOUS FLOORS AND VARIOUS SIZES.
WE DON'T WANT THE LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS SHOVED INTO A CORNER SOMEWHERE AND AWAY FROM THE REST. NO. THESE ARE INTEGRATED IN THIS ENTIRE PROJECT ON VARIOUS FLOORS, SO THAT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE FACTOR FOR ME.
SO ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THIS PROJECT.
YES, IT'S GOING TO PUT A LOT OF UNITS INTO A FAIRLY SMALL AREA, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, KIND OF THE PRICE WE PAY WHEN WE'RE ALL CONSCRIPTED TO THE CAMPAIGN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THAT'S THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE SIDE EFFECT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND AND WITH THOSE LIMITATIONS, I'M FINE WITH THIS PROJECT AND I THINK IT'S WELL-DESIGNED AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO UNDER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAWS. YEAH, I ALSO, I THINK THE ARCHITECT DID A FINE JOB IN REGARD TO ELEVATION SETBACKS.
I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE VILLAGE BARRIO MASTERPLAN WAS FOLLOWED VERY, VERY WELL.
I THINK THAT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE BIG BOX OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THAT REGARD.
SO I COMMEND YOU FOR DOING SO.
THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE PROJECT ON JUST DOING WHAT THE LAW SAYS WE NEED TO DO. WE NEED TO MAKE MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND PUT THEM NEAR TRANSIT.
AND THIS THIS PROJECT DOES THAT, AND I THINK IT'S THE FIRST FIRST PROJECT THAT I'VE ENCOUNTERED WHILE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION THAT THAT ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHES THAT GOAL.
SO I'M REALLY ACTUALLY HAPPY TO SEE THIS, AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSION ERRS ON.
TODAY SPOKE OF, YOU KNOW, IT BEING MAYBE AN UNFORTUNATE SIDE EFFECT OF THE HOUSING LAWS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME CONS THERE, BUT I SEE IT OVERALL AS A PRO TO PUT MORE UNITS NEAR THE PLACES THAT ARE BEST PREPARED TO TO DENSIFY.
SO IT SURROUND ITSELF VERY WELL WITH THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT I THINK ARE SIMILAR IN THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING REGION.
IT CONFORMS VERY WELL WITH EVERYTHING AROUND IT, AND IT'S MAYBE UNFORTUNATE THAT IT CAN'T COEXIST WITH THE FICUS TREE THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOPEFULLY IT CAN.
YEAH. INTERESTING DISCUSSION HERE.
I THINK ONE THING I JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT HERE.
YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE FACT, YOU KNOW, I WORK IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SECTOR. YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE GROUND FLOOR, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET TO THE WHOLE POLICY ISSUE OF THINGS HERE AND WE LOOK AT THE GROUND FLOOR ELEVATION AND I'M A LITTLE BIT PUT THE APPLICANT ON THE SPOT.
I WAS INTERESTED TO HEAR HIS OPINION ON THAT ABOUT THE RETAIL.
AND WHEN YOU WALK THE SITE TO THE RIGHT OF THIS ARE TWO SINGLE STORY HOUSES AND THEN A [INAUDIBLE] BUSINESS TO THE CORNER.
THE REASON THAT FRONT RETAIL IS THERE IS BECAUSE THE PLAN SAYS HAS TO BE THERE.
AND AS A RESULT OF HAVING TO BE THERE IS TAKING UP THAT WHOLE FRONT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S JUST INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER STINE MENTIONED, WERE PRESCRIBED BY THE HOUSING LAWS.
BUT I ALSO SAY THIS PROJECT IS ALSO PRESCRIBED CERTAINLY BY OUR POLICY, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING RETAIL ON THERE.
AND I JUST TEND TO WONDER, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, IS THE DEMAND REALLY THERE FOR RETAIL OR IS IT FOR? I COULD EASILY SEE FIVE OR SIX MORE PARKING PLACES THERE, LESS RETAIL.
A LOT OF THINGS YOU COULD DO DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WERE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
NOW, AGAIN, IT'S NOT OUR POSITION, OUR PLACE TO REDESIGN THE PRODUCT, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I JUST THINK I JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT ONLY HOUSING, BUT ALSO THE VILLAGE PLAN THAT DOES
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THAT. AND I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED WHERE IT JUST IN MY MIND, I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES WHERE MIXED USE IS PUSHED ON ON PLACES, AND SOMETIMES IT WORKS AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
I'M NOT SAYING TRY AND PUSH THINGS THROUGH.
I SEE THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO TOO, AS PART OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO HIGHLIGHT ISSUES OF POLICY TO ME IN MY WORLD VALUE.
YOU KNOW, I TALK TO CLIENTS ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME AND I SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE IS DETERMINED BY THE MARKET.
YOU KNOW, THE MAN DETERMINES VALUE.
AND SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT RETAIL DOES.
IT IS. I THINK IT IS VERY INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN, QUITE A BIT OF SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PRESCRIBED BY BY THE VILLAGE PLAN.
AND I'D BE CURIOUS, BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THAT WASN'T REQUIRED, HOW WOULD THAT BE DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY? AND IT'S JUST I THINK IT'S PART OF OUR PURVIEW AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS AND THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND HAVE THOSE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS. AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WHAT YOU DO DIFFERENTLY.
I ALSO AGREE WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD DESIGN.
YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT A BIG, NOT A BIG BOX AT ALL.
BUT YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONG WINDED ON THAT ONE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING I THINK THAT FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT IS VERY INTERESTING.
HOW IT AFFECTS THIS PROJECT IS, I THINK ALSO I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT'S ANSWER TO MY QUESTIONS WAS VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MERZ.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YOUR HAND IS STILL UP.
NO. OK. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HOW ABOUT SOME CLOSING COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? I THINK YOU PRETTY MUCH SAID IT ALL, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? CLOSING. COMMISSIONER STINE, CLOSING COMMENTS.
JUST ONE FINAL THING THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD DISAPPROVE THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE SOME CRIMINAL BACKGROUND ALLEGEDLY OF AN OWNER.
I, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD.
SECONDLY, I THINK THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE INTO AND SHOULD NOT GET INTO. WE'RE A LAND USE, WE'RE A PLANNING BODY, ISSUES LIKE THAT, I THINK ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW. CLOSING COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER MERZ, ANYTHING FURTHER.
NO, NOTHING FURTHER. I MEAN, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, OTHER MY POLICY COMMENTS TODAY, I WOULD SUPPORT THE PROJECT. OK COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE OUR PLANNER AND THE ARCHITECT.
IT'S REMINISCENT TO ME OF AN [INAUDIBLE] THAT SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL OTHER THAN THE PROBLEM WITH PARKING, WHICH APPARENTLY IS ENDEMIC TO DISTRICT ONE.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS OR.
I THINK THE AFFORDABILITY ASPECT IS GOOD.
I'M GLAD THAT THE DENSITY BONUS WAS BEING USED TO BE ABLE TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I THINK THE RETAIL ON THAT STREET FRONT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW IT ALREADY IS RETAIL.
SO WE WANT TO KIND OF BRING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BACK.
I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD URBAN SENSE.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS MAKES SENSE FOR THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A CONCERN, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES.
I THINK WHEN MR. MARTIN SPOKE, HE MENTIONED BARRIO LOGAN.
WE'RE NOT IN BARRIO LOGAN, SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
THIS IS THE BARRIO OF CARLSBAD JUST TO BE CAUTIOUS.
THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT MAYBE THERE WERE SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK THAT THE RELUCTANCE TO GO SUBTERRANEAN WHEN YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE EXPANSE OF SOIL SEEMS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.
BLANK WALLS ON ANY FAÇADE SEEMS TO BE A VERY MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND VERY MUCH AGAINST OUR BARRIO PLAN. SO I DO NOT FEEL THAT THAT IS COMPLIANT.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE SUBTERRANEAN PARKING COULD HAVE HELPED TO LOWER SOME OF THAT BULKHEAD. AND I THINK THAT UPPER DECK TERRACE WITH THE SOLAR PANELS THAT'S UTILITARIAN COULD HAVE BEEN SOME AMAZING ROOF DECK TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PARTY EVENT, SOMETHING WHATEVER.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST THING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME MISSED OPPORTUNITIES.
SO. SO I THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE CHALLENGING TO ME, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT NONE OF THEM ARE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE AN ISSUE WITH TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS.
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THANK YOU. CLOSING COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER LUNA.I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT ANYTHING ANYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, WHICH WAS A LOT, SO I JUST LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE STAFF AND MR. [INAUDIBLE], WHO GAVE THE COMMISSION A GOOD AND I THINK IT WAS MR. MARTIN WHO THE ARCHITECT GAVE A GOOD CLASS ON INTEGRATING ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER THIS ONE OF THE BEST ONES THAT HAVE COME ACROSS THIS COMMISSION IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, CONSIDERING WHAT MY COLLEAGUE'S COMMENTS ARE AND THEY CAN EVISCERATE THINGS, BELIEVE ME.
AND IT IS, I THINK YOU'VE COME OUT VERY WELL.
AND I THINK FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY BRING US PROJECTS AND WE GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT MEETS THE BARE MINIMUMS THEIR ARCHITECT DOES AND YOU'VE EXCEEDED IT. YOU HAD AN EXTRA SENSORY SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
JASON, KUDOS TO YOU FOR GETTING THE UTILITY BOX TO THE ALLEY.
THE ORIENTATION THERE'S A LOT OF WHOLE PLETHORA OF PLUSES FOR THIS PROJECT, SO I THINK THIS HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT EXAMPLE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND IF OTHER DEVELOPERS ARE OUT THERE, PLEASE LISTEN TO US AND HEAR WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING. JUST BECAUSE YOU COME IN WITH THE MINIMUM MAYBE ISN'T NECESSARILY THE BEST.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL ACTUALLY GET TO BREAK GROUND AND DEVELOP THIS SHORTLY. WELL SAID COMMISSIONER LUNA, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND RAISED.
YOU HAVE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AT ALL.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
I MOVE STAFF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
OK. MS. FLORES. COMMISSIOENR LAFFERTY. YES.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
I APPRECIATE IT AND VERY EXCITED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO BREAKING GROUND AND BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION.
YEAH, CONGRATS. THANK YOU, GUYS.
[3. CUP 2021-0006 (DEV2021-0040) – NEW VILLAGE ARTS THEATRE]
MR. NEU.WE HAVE AN ITEM NUMBER THREE ON OUR AGENDA, AND BEFORE YOU DO SO.
CAN WE HAVE EX PARTE FROM COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
I VISITED THE SITE AND WALKED AROUND, I DID NOT GO INSIDE.
IT LOOKED LIKE SOMETHING WAS GOING ON IN THERE, SO I DID NOT KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
YEAH, I VISITED THE SITE. I ALSO VISITED THE SITE.
I'VE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THIS WHEN IT USED TO BE A HARDWARE STORE.
YOU DO GO BACK A LONG WAY, COMMISSIONER STINE.
I VISITED THE SITE AND HAVE ENJOYED PERFORMANCES IN THAT THEATER.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND HAVE BEEN TO A PERFORMANCE.
COMMISSIONER LUNA I DITTO COMMISSIONER STINE AND COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY'S COMMENTS.
MR. NEU, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT AT ALL IN REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR US BEFORE YOU START WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? SURE, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
INITIALLY, I WAS GOING TO TRY TO ASK YOU TO HANDLE THIS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT WE KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN THAT NOW OR NOT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A NEW VILLAGE ARTS THAT, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED IN YOUR COMMENTS, HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IT'S A USE PERMIT THAT IT EXPIRED.
SO THE THE ACTION THAT YOU'RE BEING REQUESTED TO TAKE IS TO EXTEND THAT CUP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES OR PUBLIC CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH US AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
IT'S AN ITEM THAT YOU WOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS THE FINAL ACTION. SO IF YOU'D LIKE A STAFF PRESENTATION, WE CAN DO SO.
I COULD SHOW YOU A FEW SLIDES THAT WERE PREPARED BY OUR STAFF PLANNER, CHRIS GARCIA, WHO IS NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US THIS AFTERNOON.
COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MERZ.
I'M USUALLY ONE MORE QUIET PEOPLE ON THESE THINGS, BUT I'VE PERSONALLY GONE THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
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AND YOU KNOW, I VISITED THE SITE LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATION OF THE BRIEFING AND WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT AGAIN.AND AND I DID HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, I DID THINGS THAT THAT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, GAVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE] OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THE THEATER.
I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST TALK THROUGH THOSE OR HEAR WHAT STAFF HAVE TO SAY ON THOSE.
YEAH. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU WANT A PRESENTATION BY MR. NEU OR ARE YOU GOOD AT GETTING INTO DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME? AND IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I MEAN, IF YOU CUT TO THE CHASE, WHAT THE CONCERN IS, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED.
I'M SURE WE NEED TO SIT THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION.
BUT I JUST THERE WERE SOME I JUST HAD SOME SOME KIND OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
MR. CHAIR IF WE COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS COMMISSIONER MERZ'S QUESTIONS, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT AND JUST CUT TO THE CHASE AS HE SAYS.
OKAY. EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT.
OK, THANK YOU. WELL, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, IN MY CAREER, I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH SOME CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AS A RESULT OF MY WORK.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, VISITING THE SITE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE REPORT AGAIN, JUST A FEW THINGS KIND OF SORT OF JUMPED OUT AT ME A LITTLE BIT.
SO I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THEM, YOU KNOW, SO ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, IT SAID THAT ON LET'S SEE, ON THE ON THE SECOND PAGE, [INAUDIBLE] THEATRE WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2006 ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT IN 2006.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, SINCE YOU KNOW IT WOULD AND IT WOULD ONLY BE VALID FOR NO MORE THAN THAN THREE YEARS AND SINCE THE PERMIT'S NEVER FILED TO MAKE THE PERMIT, THE THEATRE'S BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT A VALID PERMIT.
SO IT STARTED IN 2006, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH.
BUT STATE STREET IS THIS KIND OF EXPLODED WITHIN THE BARRIO AND VILLAGE AREA.
STATE STREET HAS BEEN GROUND ZERO FOR EXPLOSION IN THAT AREA IN DEVELOPMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMPANY I WORK FOR, LEON ASSOCIATES, ACTUALLY LOOKED AT A BUILDING JUST DOWN THE STREET TO THE RIGHT AN OLD OUR REPAIR CENTER, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT TRYING TO CONVERT THAT TO AN OFFICE BUILDING.
FORTUNATELY, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT COST WOULD'VE BEEN ASTRONOMICAL.
BUT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT UPON THAT THAT STREET.
THE THING TOO IS IS THAT YOU MENTIONED THE PERFORMANCE THEATER AND ANCILLARY USES IN A BUILDING INCLUDE ONE HUNDRED AND TWO SEAT THEATER.
OK, SO THE INTERESTING THING HERE IS IS THAT IF YOU HAVE AND I'M NOT INTO PERFORMANCE AND IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION.
SO HERE ARE THE SITUATION ON STATE STREET, WHERE WE JUST HAD AN EXPLOSION OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH, THEN WE'RE SITTING IN COVID RIGHT NOW WHERE EVERYTHING'S SHUT DOWN.
IT MENTIONED IN HERE THAT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A PARKING PLAN IN THERE AND THEY ENCOURAGE TO GET SOMETHING WITH THE [INAUDIBLE], BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AT ONE HUNDRED AND TWO, I MEAN, JUST IN ROUGH NUMBERS, I'M THINKING TWO PEOPLE PER CAR THAT'S LIKE 50 CARS THAT COME INTO AN AREA.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY HAPPENING NOW BECAUSE OF COVID.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA THERE.
AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED BY THAT.
AND I'M WONDERING, I VERY MUCH SUPPORT THE USE.
I THINK IT'S GOOD, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS AREA SINCE 2006 AND ALSO A LOT THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR.
AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT ONCE I READ THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE PAST USES AND THE FACT THAT IT ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE LOT, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GET ADDITIONAL PARKING.
I GET THAT. BUT I THINK ALSO TOO IS COMMISSIONERS TOO, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ISSUE IS THIS ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S AN APPLICANT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT, WHERE YOU KNOW, AND WE AS COMMISSIONERS, WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL IMPACT.
AND MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT AS ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT TAKES OFF AND YOU HAVE A BIG AND THEN ALSO TOO THEY'RE UPGRADING IT TO HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL AND PROMOTE MORE EVENTS, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE AN EVENT YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU'VE HAD A BUNCH OF NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY 50 CARS SHOW UP AND THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE TO PARK. AND USUALLY WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, THAT IS THE MAIN THING IS, IS PARKING.
SO IT'S MORE OF A I'M NOT SEEING AGAINST THE PROJECT.
IT'S JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME THINGS RECENTLY THAT HAPPENED RIGHT WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR, RIGHT WITHIN COVID.
AND NOW THIS THAT JUST IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION.
IT'S NOT OBJECTION. IT'S JUST MORE OF A QUESTION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MERZ.
SO THE VILLAGE PLAN, THE CURRENT VERSION AND THE PREVIOUS ONE SORT OF ACCOUNTED FOR HISTORIC USES OF A PROPERTY.
AND I THINK YOU MORE OR LESS EXPLAIN THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SAY IN THE REPORT THAT IF YOU HAD A PREVIOUS USE AND IT, YOU CALCULATED THE PARKING RATE AND THE USE DIDN'T THROUGH THAT PARKING CALCULATION CREATE A NEED FOR MORE PARKING, THEN THERE WASN'T ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIRED.
I THINK PRACTICALLY SPEAKING IN TERMS OF THE PATRONS OF THE THEATER AND MAYBE THE APPLICANTS CAN SPEAK TO THIS TOO.
BUT LIKE MOST USES IN THE VILLAGE, IF THERE'S NOT AVAILABLE PARKING ON SITE, PEOPLE ARE
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PARKING ON STREET SIDE PARKING.THEY'RE PARKING IN THE PUBLIC LOTS, THEY'RE PARKING IN [INAUDIBLE] LOT.
THAT'S NOT BEING USED IN THE EVENING.
SO I WOULD THINK A LOT THERE'D BE A LOT OF BENEFITS GIVEN WHEN THE PERFORMANCES TAKE PLACE THAT IF SOME ARE IN THE EVENING, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CERTAIN BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE COASTER STATION LOT THAT'S NOT BEING HEAVILY USED.
SO IT GENERALLY TENDS TO WORK IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD WITH NEW USES AS STATE STREET GETS MORE ACTIVE AND USES CHANGE OR NEW PROJECTS COME IN.
THE PLAN STILL HAS A REQUIREMENT ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE STREET PARKING THAT'S IN USE, AND SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF THE PARKING UTILIZATION ON THE STREET IN THE I FORGET, IF IT WAS A QUARTER MILE DISTANCE IS HIGH ENOUGH, THEN THAT NEW PROJECTS WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PARKING IN LIEU PROGRAM WHERE THEY PAY FOR PARKING CREDIT AS OPPOSED TO PROVIDING PARKING.
SO IF THE AREA IS SO SUCCESSFULLY USED THAT THERE ISN'T PARKING, YES, THAT WILL AFFECT OTHER USES IN THE AREA.
YEAH. OK, GOOD. AND I SEE THE APPLICANTS HERE TO YOU GUYS, I GUESS I I GUESS FOR ME, IT'S MORE OF JUST SORT OF UNDERSTANDING YOU MADE AN INTERESTING COMMENT MR. NEU ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY FOUND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND I THINK THAT'S MORE JUST A COMFORT LEVEL.
I NEED TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE FINDING A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE.
GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I'M FINE.
I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST SORT OF THE DIFFERENT WAY IN WHICH THE VILLAGE OPERATES, AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU WENT TO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL AND YOU EXPECT IT TO PARK RIGHT OUT IN FRONT. I KNOW ON OCCASIONS I'VE GONE TO THE VILLAGE AND PARK BLOCKS AND BLOCKS AWAY AND WALK TO MY ULTIMATE DESTINATION.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT HAPPENS IN A DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT.
OK. GIVEN THAT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, MS. KERNER, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS? IF SO, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? SURE. SO HI.
I AM THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE ARTISTIC DIRECTOR OF NEW VILLAGE ARTS.
OUR FAMILY ARE THE CALLER OR I'M HERE RIGHT NOW FROM 2461 BUENA VISTA CIRCLE IN CARLSBAD AND THE THEATER IS AT 2787 STATE.
I WAS JUST GOING TO QUICKLY SHARE JUST A COUPLE, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS WITH EVERYONE. AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL OR GIVE SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES AS WELL.
OUR MISSION IS TO CREATE ADVENTUROUS ARTISTIC EXPERIENCES THAT AWAKEN.
SORRY, I'M SORRY, REAL QUICK MR. KEMP. I DON'T THINK WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SINCE IT APPEARS THAT WE'RE GOING THAT WAY. OK.
GOOD COMMENT. YEAH, YOU COULD I MEAN, THIS ISN'T TECHNICALLY PUBLIC COMMENT, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE OPENED A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CONSENT AGENDA OR NOT.
AND SO I THINK MS. LUNA IS CORRECT NOW THAT I THINK IT THROUGH THAT WE STARTED THIS IS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, POTENTIALLY WITH JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE SHOULD OPEN A HEARING IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LUNA.
I APPRECIATE THAT VERY, VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUMBER THREE.
MR. NEU. ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, MR. CHAIR. OKAY, THANK YOU.
NOW WE'LL SKIP BACK AHEAD TO THE APPLICANT.
ALL RIGHT, SO, YEAH, JUST JUST JUST REALLY QUICKLY, A FEW THINGS, AS I WAS SAYING, OUR MISSION IS TO CREATE ADVENTUROUS ARTISTIC EXPERIENCES THAT AWAKEN THE HUMAN SPIRIT.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, ACTUALLY 20 YEARS NEXT WEEK. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL THAT WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY, WE HAVE BEEN IN OUR HOME IN THE HEART OF CARLSBAD VILLAGE FOR NEARLY 15 YEARS.
WE ARE ALSO THRILLED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY APPROVED A NEW LONG TERM LEASE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO CREATE A CULTURAL GATHERING SPACE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDST OF A COMPREHENSIVE FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN WITH A GOAL OF TWO POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY RAISED OVER $2 MILLION TOWARDS THAT GOAL.
WE AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS AND I AM VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, AND WE ARE MOST GRATEFUL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
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YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKING LITTLE? YEAH, I THINK I'M GOING REALLY ONE WITH THE QUESTION ON THAT.AND I THINK TO THE EXTENT YOU MAKE ME COMFORTABLE, I MEAN, I'D CERTAINLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IF YOU JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE WITH THE QUESTION.
SO. YEAH, NO, WHAT WE FOUND OVER THE YEARS, WE THROUGH THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE.
THIRTY FIVE TO 40 PERCENT OF OUR PATRONS GO OUT TO EAT BEFORE OR AFTER THE SHOWS.
SO OFTENTIMES THEY ARE SPREAD OUT IN DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND THE VILLAGE BECAUSE THEY'LL GO TO THAT PLACE TO EAT AND THEN THEY'LL THEY'LL WALK TO THE THEATER.
IT'S ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT OUR VILLAGE, RIGHT? IS THE WALKABILITY.
AND SO WE HAVEN'T HAD IN THE PAST, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH PARKING.
AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OUR SHOWS AND OUR EVENTS TEND TO HAPPEN AT OPPOSITE HOURS OF WHEN THEY ARE THE BUSIEST TIMES IN THE VILLAGE.
ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION PERFECTLY.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
THE ONE THING THAT JUST JUMPED OUT TO ME IN READING THE REPORT BASED ON THE COMMENTS MR. NEU AND APPLICANT. I'M FINE WITH THAT.
OK, GIVEN THAT WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
MS. FLORES, ANY EMAILS OR COMMENTS? YES, MR. CHAIR, THERE'S ONE COMMENT.
WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A PERFORMING ARTS THEATER TO ENRICH THE CULTURAL LIFE OF CARLSBAD VILLAGE. AS A NEAR NEIGHBOR, I SUPPORT THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
THANK YOU. SUBMITTED BY BILL DAVIDSON.
THANK YOU, MS. FLORES, I SURELY APPRECIATE THAT.
OK, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OR THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY? I NOTICED THAT SOME RENOVATION WORK IS GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S ALL INTERIOR RENOVATION WORK, PRETTY MUCH. IS THAT CORRECT? HOW DOES THAT MEET THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO PLAN? AND IS THERE ANY KIND OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? MR. CHAIR I CAN ADDRESS THAT, SO.
THERE WAS A HISTORIC REPORT PREPARED FOR THE PROJECT.
I BELIEVE IT'S BY BRIAN SMITH AND ASSOCIATES.
AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT THE PROJECT DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC RESOURCE. THE VILLAGE PLAN DOES EXEMPT FROM DISCRETIONARY PERMITS BOTH INTERIOR AND FAÇADE IMPROVEMENTS WHEN THEY DON'T CHANGE THE INTENSITY OF THE USE OF A STRUCTURE.
SO AT THIS POINT, THE APPLICANT TEAM IS ABLE TO GET BUILDING PERMITS FOR INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH JUST A BUILDING PERMIT.
OK. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? OK, COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER MERZ, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT AND MR. NEU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS IN THE PAST AND ALL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE INTERESTING TO DEAL WITH, BUT [INAUDIBLE].
I WAS VERY I THINK THAT BOTH YOUR ANSWERS HAVE ADEQUATELY ANSWERED MY CONCERNS AND DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
YES, I THINK THE THEATER'S A TERRIFIC ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
VERY COMPATIBLE WITH ALL THE EATING ESTABLISHMENTS, AS THE APPLICANT INDICATED WAS IT THIRTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE HAVE DINNER AT ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS THEN WALK OVER TO THE THEATER. I HOPE THAT AFTER THE PERFORMANCE, MAYBE SOME OF THEM WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND HAVE AN ICE CREAM TOO.
SO I THINK IT'S A PERFECT FIT FOR THE VILLAGE AND THE PARKING ISSUE.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
PARKING CAN BE A CHALLENGE OVERALL IN THE VILLAGE, BUT THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC PARKING, PARTICULARLY IN THE [INAUDIBLE] LOTS, WHICH EXTEND A LONG WAY TO THE NORTH.
SO I THINK IT CAN BE A PROBLEM THAT SOMETIMES THERE'S NOTHING PERFECT IN THE WORLD, BUT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AND I SAY KUDOS TO THE THEATER AND I LIKED IT.
AND IN FACT, IF YOU PERMIT ME, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE.
I WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
YES, MS. KERNER, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
I THINK WHAT YOU DO HAVE DONE IS GREAT.
YOU BROUGHT A SENSE OF COSMOPOLITAN NATURE TO OUR CITY, WHICH IS ALWAYS APPRECIATED AND I WOULD VOTE TO APPROVE.
OK, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A COMMENT AS WELL FOR THE NEW VILLAGE ARTS, I COMMEND YOU SUBSTANTIALLY. YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
BUT TO HAVE GONE OUT ON YOUR FUNDRAISING AND GATHER SOME VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY CONTRIBUTORS IS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, WONDERFUL FOR THE NEW VILLAGE ARTS AND
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THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO BE IN OUR CITY.IT WAS PROBABLY A LOT OF WORK IN GETTING THAT FUNDRAISING GOING, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. THANKS, I TOO.
I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF HOW ANIMATED THIS DOWNTOWN CENTER HAS BECOME BECAUSE OF THE EXISTENCE OF THAT THEATER.
I WISH YOU WOULD GET THE OTHER THEATER ACROSS THE STREET SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE PUB NOW YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE LINCOLN CENTER IS WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR IN CARLSBAD.
THAT WOULD BE NICE. YOU KNOW, THE BUS AND THE TRAIN ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IS CERTAINLY WARRANTED.
AND THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRIC BIKES AND BICYCLES BEING USED IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA IS SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED TRANSIT AND TRANSPORTATION.
SO. SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH ACCEPTING THIS.
OK, NOTHING FURTHER. CAN I HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER LUNA? I MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
COMMISSIONER STINE, DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT? NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LUNA, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STINE.
YOU'RE MUTED. MS. FLORES. SHE'S HAD ENOUGH OF THIS.
WHAT'S A SIGN? COME ON, WHAT DO WE DO? OH MY. OK, THERE WE GO.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
APPROVE. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
APPROVE. AND COMMISSIONER STINE.
EXCELLENT SEVEN ZERO EXCELLENT, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, MR. NEU. CAN YOU INTRODUCE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA?
[4. Discuss Holding a Planning Commission Workshop]
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO OUR FINAL AGENDA ITEM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO DOCKET AN ITEM SO THAT YOU COULD DISCUSS HOLDING A PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP.WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY INFORMATION PREPARED FOR YOU.
I THINK THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE COMMENT WAS WHETHER YOU WANTED TO HOLD IT IN THE NEAR TERM, WHICH MAY MEAN HAVING A VIRTUAL MEETING SUCH AS THE ONE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, OR IF YOU WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO MEET IN PERSON.
AND WHATEVER OTHER DISCUSSION YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE REGARDING THE WORKSHOP.
SO THAT WOULD CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS AND I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONERS.
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S [INAUDIBLE] MADE AN INTERESTING POINT IS THAT.
WELL, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE MEETING, BUT WHAT EXACTLY DO WE COVER IN THAT MEETING? AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE AND ALSO I THINK IT SEEMED TO COME OUT OF THE BRIEFING WAS JUST THAT. WE MAY HAVE SOME ANSWERS HERE VERY SHORTLY ON WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO MEET LIVE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, NOT NECESSARILY URGENT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT. I THINK BEING ABLE TO MEET IN A GROUP GATHERING WITH SOCIALLY DISTANCED WOULD BE CERTAINLY PREFERABLE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE SOME MORE ANSWERS ON THAT WITHIN TWO OR THREE WEEKS.
I THINK ADDITIONALLY, QUALITY OF THE MEETING, I'D RECOMMEND THAT MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, WE ALL COME TOGETHER.
THINGS WE'D LIKE TO COVER JUST [INAUDIBLE] HAVE A MEETING, BUT WE ALL KIND OF AGREE ON WHAT WHAT THE FORMAT IS GOING TO BE.
GOOD COMMENT, COMMISSIONER MERZ.
I WILL MAKE A COMMENT IN REGARD TO I KNOW AT OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS AND HAVING AGENIZED, YOU KNOW I WAS MAKING SOME COMMENTS ABOUT A MEETING AND A WORKSHOP SOONER THAN LATER.
AND EVEN IF THAT MEANT VIRTUAL, BUT I HAVE TO SAY TO MYSELF, I'VE HAD SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, AND I REALLY DO THINK THAT IN PERSON, I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE FRUITFUL FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS AT LENGTH AND NOT BEING HINDERED BY TECHNOLOGY. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY BE IN PERSON WITH ALL THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU JUST STATED COMMISSIONER MERZ.
SO MY THOUGHTS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE LAST MONTH, OUR LAST MEETING.
THANK YOU. OTHERS, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
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I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER MEENES AND MERZ HAVE SAID.I THINK IT'S FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO DO THIS LIVE.
AND ALSO, I WANT TO MENTION THAT MR. NEU SENT AROUND A HANDOUT FROM THE LAST ONE THAT WAS DONE IN 2018.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I THINK PARTS ARE EXCELLENT AND THAT COULD FORM THE FOUNDATION FOR OUR FUTURE MEETING, WHICH I WOULD URGE US TO DO IN PERSON.
I AGREE ONE THING SINCE SINCE THIS IS AGENIZED WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, THE LAST WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD. I REALLY DON'T SEE A NEED FOR ANY FACILITATOR THAT WE NEED TO HIRE ONE I THINK WE'RE ALL PROFESSIONALS.
WE ALL HAVE A LOT TO BRING HERE.
I APPRECIATED THE EFFORT THAT THE CITY HAD MADE TO HAVE A FACILITATOR, HOWEVER.
I THINK THE MAKEUP OF THIS COMMISSION ONE WAS ONE WAS REALLY NOT NEEDED, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT POSSIBLY WE HAVE OUR CITY PLANNER AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT SITS ON HERE.
MAYBE A SORT OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER TERM WOULD BE.
MR. KAMENJARIN. MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME.
LEAD THE DISCUSSION, OR MAYBE.
THEY COULD BE THE ORACLE OR THE GURUS.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER LUNA, I DON'T THINK THAT AND THAT IS TRUE.
AND I DON'T DO NOT SEE ANY NEED FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT ALL WITH JUST OUR STAFF.
AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY CUT TO THE CHASE A LOT SOONER TO HAVE THE MEETING SOONER THAN LATER. WHEN YOU START GETTING NUMEROUS OTHER OUTSIDE SOURCES, TIMING, SCHEDULING THINGS OF THAT NATURE CAN MAKE IT EVEN FURTHER INTO THE FUTURE, AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT. SO. COMMISSIONER STINE.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, I BELIEVE IN IN-PERSON WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO BEING VIRTUAL.
I DON'T SEE ANY URGENCY THAT WE HAVE TO RUSH INTO THAT AND AS A RESULT, DO IT VIRTUALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK IN PERSON.
I WOULD SAY IN-PERSON, INFORMAL, PERHAPS WE'RE IN A CONFERENCE ROOM SOMEWHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT IS LIKE A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING.
AND COMMISSIONER LUNA SAYS, WE ALL GET ALONG HERE.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOOD SPIRIT AMONG THE SEVEN OF US.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED A FACILITATOR.
JUST HAVE MR. NEU AND MR. KEMP AND PERHAPS ANYBODY ELSE THEY WANTED TO BRING IS KIND OF FACILITATE THE DISCUSSION, BUT HAVE AN INFORMAL IN-PERSON.
OK. ANY CLOSING COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? NOTHING. NO CLOSING COMMENTS FOR ME.
OK. COMMISSIONER STINE YOU'RE GOOD? COMMISSIONER MERZ.
YES, I'M DELIGHTED WE'RE ALL THINKING ALIKE FOR ONCE, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT NEVER SEEMS TO BE ONE OF MY ASSETS, UNFORTUNATELY.
THERE YOU GO. YOU JUST JINXED IT.
AND AND TO BE HONEST, I WOULD PREFER AN IN-PERSON MEETING AS WELL.
BUT I DO FEEL THE TECHNOLOGY HAS HELPED CERTAIN COMMUNICATIONS, SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING IT VIRTUAL OR IN PERSON OR BOTH.
I MEAN, I KIND OF I KIND OF THINK THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE IF WE HAVEN'T HAD A TRAINING SINCE 2018, IT'S TIME WE HAD A TRAINING.
AND EVEN IF IT WAS A VIRTUAL ONE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND MAYBE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A CONTINUATION IN A SENSE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESENTATION HAPPENS IN A.
IN AN ELECTRONIC FORM, AND WHEN WE GET TO BE PERSONAL, TO HOLD OUR COMMENTS TO MAYBE OR TALK ABOUT THEM THEN AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THEM IN PERSON. SO.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN UTILIZING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH INFORMATION.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT JUST ONE TRAINING.
AND SO I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO.
PRESENT TO US, I APPRECIATE ANYTHING IS ALWAYS HELPFUL.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, COMMISSIONER LUNA.
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WELL, YOU KNOW, I SEE THIS HAPPEN TO STAFF ALL THE TIME THAT STAFF, COMMITTEES, COMMISSIONS COUNCILS AT ALL LEVELS, AND WE HAVE THIS SORT OF A THOROUGH DISCUSSION.SO I WAS HOPING MAYBE WE CAN HONE IT DOWN AND MAYBE GIVE THEM SOME SPECIFIC DIRECTION OR SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO.
I KNOW MR., OR COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN SUGGESTED, OR I THINK HE WAS SUGGESTING I DON'T' WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH THAT MAYBE AS A BASIS THAT YOU USE WHAT WAS TRANSMITTED OUT FROM 2018.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT BEING THE ORACLES? I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION TO SAY.
I DO. WELL, MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO, AND THAT'S NOT A BAD SUGGESTION, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE THINGS THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSED, WE COULD SUBMIT THAT TO STAFF IN WRITING BY EMAIL OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
MR. NEU. I ASSUME WE COULD DO THAT AND YOU CAN INCORPORATE AND MAYBE COME UP WITH A DRAFT AGENDA AND PROCESS FOR THAT WORKSHOP.
AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. NO, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS FOR CONTENT, AND WE CAN SHARE THAT BACK WITH THE WHOLE GROUP AND FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW WE WOULD PRIORITIZE IT IF WE END UP WITH MANY ITEMS OR DETERMINE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MANY MORE THAN ONE MEETING, AS COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY POINTED OUT.
I WON'T SPEAK FOR RON, BUT I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE AN ORACLE, SO I'D BE HAPPY.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE HUMOR.
I REALLY DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT IF AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES WHEN WE CAN HAVE IN-PERSON MEETINGS BOTH IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS WELL AS MAYBE WORKSHOPS, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT AND AGAIN PUTTING THIS BURDEN ON STAFF AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE FACILITATING THE MEETING AND THE WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE TIME CONSUMING AND PREPARATION FOR THAT. AND I KNOW THE STAFF'S WORKLOAD IS EXTREMELY HEAVY AND LIMITED AS TO THE NUMBER OF STAFF AVAILABLE. SO WHATEVER CAN BE DONE TO SPEED IT UP ONCE WE GET THAT GO AHEAD.
BY COUNCIL REGARDING THAT, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO SPEED IT UP AND MAYBE MAKE IT AS NOT AS TOO LABORIOUS FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THAT, FOR US, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO FARTHER INTO THE FUTURE.
MR. KEMP, WOULD YOU BE AN ORACLE? I'D LIKE TO ASSIGN EACH ONE OF YOU A TOPIC TO COVER AT THE MEETING.
ALL RIGHTY.ANYTHING FURTHER? I DIDN'T HEAR A YES, I STILL DIDN'T HEAR A YES.
[INAUDIBLE] I GOT TWO LAWYERS, FROM DON. SO YEAH.
WELL, AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS THE.
HOW ABOUT DUNGEON MASTER AND VICE DUNGEON MASTER? OH WEE.
LET'S LET'S HAVE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE IN REGARD TO THIS ITEM.
NUMBER FOUR COMMISSIONER LUNA.
WELL, I'M WONDERING BEING AT PUBLIC HEARINGS, O WE MR. KEMP? IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION ABOUT.
JUST EXCELLENT, THEN WE'RE FINE.
YOU GOT THE. I MEAN UNLESS YOU WANT TO GIVE A SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO COME BACK AT A CERTAIN TIME NOPE. SO WE'RE GOOD.
ALL RIGHTY WITH THAT. THANK YOU.
IN REGARD TO ALL THE COMMENTS MADE IN REGARD TO THE WORKSHOP, I APPRECIATE THAT.
ALL RIGHT. ANY REPORTS BY COMMISSIONERS?
[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS:]
COMMISSIONER LUNA LAFFERTY.THANK YOU. GREAT MEETING TODAY.
I WANTED TO JUST MENTION THE CITY MANAGER REPORT FROM SEPTEMBER 9, 2021 MENTIONED THE COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 14, 2021 WAS HOPEFULLY GOING TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA THE REAFFIRMING OF THE CITY'S HISTORIC PROPERTY INVENTORY.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 13TH WAS CANCELED, AS WAS THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 14 THAT DID NOT HAVE THE HISTORIC INVENTORY AND DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA ONCE IT ACTUALLY CAME OUT.
SO I GUESS MY BIGGEST QUESTION AND DON AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE BRIEFING A LITTLE BIT. WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THIS LIST? AND AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT RELATES TO.
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MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS HISTORIC LIST THAT OBVIOUSLY ISN'T BEING PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AND A LOT OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO PRESERVE THEM IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.SO I HAD SHARED WITH COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY THE ITEM WAS ON THE COUNCIL'S TENTATIVE SCHEDULE, AS SHE MENTIONED, IT DID NOT MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA.
MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M A LITTLE BIT AT A DISTANCE FROM THIS BECAUSE IT'S A REPORT THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE LIBRARY AND CULTURAL ARTS DEPARTMENT.
BUT I BELIEVE THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE REPORT READY TO MAKE THAT DATE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION TENTATIVE SCHEDULE.
EVERYBODY HAS TO MAKE THAT MEETING, AND SOMETIMES WITH THE PROCESS IS TO GET A REPORT PREPARED AND ON THE AGENDA.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S IT'S TARGETED FOR A FUTURE MEETING, BUT WE CAN DO SOME CHECKING AND FIND OUT REALLY WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS FOR IT.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US UPDATED, THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE IN NOVEMBER OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION. IF IT DOESN'T GET CANCELED, SO SO WE HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CONCERN WITH I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NEW NEWS ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. SO IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WITH BRIEFLY? YES. SO THE REFERENCE, AT LEAST, THAT I'M AWARE OF TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, THE COMMISSION MAY RECALL THAT WE RECEIVED TWO DIFFERENT STATE GRANTS REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THEY WERE FOCUSED ON MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE PROJECTS.
AND SO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE STANDARDS IN THE VILLAGE BARRIO AREA, THE COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED STAFF THAT THEY WANTED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR DESIGN COMMITTEE TO HELP WITH THAT. AND SO GOING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT, WE HAVE A PROPOSED CHARTER AND MAKEUP OF THAT GROUP, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THERE WERE SOME OTHER CRITERIA IN TERMS OF RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AREA. OTHERS WITH ARCHITECTURAL BACKGROUND AND SO FORTH.
SO I THINK IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO SUPPORT THAT, THEN WE WOULD BE COMING TO YOU AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, ASKING YOU TO RECOMMEND A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE. OK.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. AND WAS THERE A DATE AS TO WHEN THAT WAS GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL? SO WE DO HAVE A TENTATIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 19TH.
WE WE ULTIMATELY REQUEST A DATE.
AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, OF COURSE, HAS TO BALANCE THE VARIOUS COMPETING ITEMS AND HOW MUCH TIME IS AVAILABLE FOR EACH.
I UNDERSTAND. I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THOSE CONCERNS.
I KNOW THAT IT DOES SEEM TO COME UP A LOT IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN WHEN THESE PROJECTS ARE COMING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMELINE.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO. THANK YOU, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND OR INFORM EVERYBODY THAT THE COASTAL CLEANUP DAY IS THIS SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO FIND A SPOT ON ON THE COAST.
IT CAN BE A BEACH, IT CAN BE A LAGOON AND PARTICIPATE IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT ACTIVITY.
OUR BEACHES ARE SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCES WE HAVE HERE IN CARLSBAD, AND I HOPE THAT IF YOU CAN, YOU WOULD JOIN IN.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
ANY OTHER REPORTS BY COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER LUNA.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, ARE YOU HOSTING A SPOT ON THE BEACH FOR US, POSSIBLY? GOT AN INVITE. YOU GOT TO COME THROUGH.
AN ENTITY THAT'S ACTUALLY BUT IN CARLSBAD. YOU EACH HAVE YOUR OWN DISTRICT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANY TOES.
YOU DON'T WANT TO FACILITATE ONE HERE IN CARLSBAD BY SATURDAY.
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YOU'RE MUTED. YEAH, THANK YOU.IF YOU GO TO CLEANUPDAY.ORG IT HAS INFORMATION ON THE COMMONLY TRASHED AREAS, IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT. SO THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE OFFICIAL SITES, THEY JUST HAVE COMMONLY TRASHED AREAS AND AND THEY THEY WANT YOU TO GO TO ONE OF THOSE.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, DID YOU HAVE OK, NOTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER.
NO FURTHER, OK, MR. NEU ANY, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOONLIGHT BEACH.
WELL, THIS SATURDAY, THEY'RE HAVING THE ANNUAL WOODY SHOW, SO IF SOME OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT SORT OF THING, YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE IT A TWOFER.
MR. NEU ANY REPORTS? I HAVE NO REPORT, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.
HOW ABOUT OUR ILLUSTRIOUS CITY ATTORNEY, MR. KEMP? NOTHING TO REPORT.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE STAND ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.