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OUR COUNCIL WORKSHOP TODAY ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, AS MR.

[CALL TO ORDER]

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BLACKBURN HAS STATED, IT IS 3:00 P.M.

AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, AND SO COULD OUR CITY CLERK PLEASE START BY CALLING ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, HERE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL HERE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN PRESENT MAYOR HALL HERE.

SO WITH THAT, IF MR. BLACKBURN, PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG.

AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU.

WE HAD NO CLOSED SESSIONS TODAY, SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO THE MINUTES MINUTES OF OUR REGULAR MEETING HELD JULY 27.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD AUGUST 17TH.

MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING HELD AUGUST 24TH AND MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD AUGUST 31, MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS RECITED BY THE MAYOR.

I CAN SEE COUNCILMAN NORBY, YOU WANTED TO MAKE A DISCLOSURE.

I JUST WANT TO NOT VOTE ON THE MINUTES IN THE MEETINGS THAT I DID NOT ATTEND.

OK.

I'M SURE THE CLERK RESPECTS THAT.

SO AND NOBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL CALL THE QUESTION.

CITY CLERK, PLEASE TAKE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE, MAYOR HALL, AYE.

SO THE MINUTES PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

AT THIS PERIOD OF TIME, WE SET ASIDE 15 MINUTES FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEM AND WE ALLOT 15 MINUTES IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

WE ASK YOU TO BE RESPECTFUL AND TO APPRECIATE PUBLIC DECORUM AS YOU SPEAK TO US AND TO THE COMMUNITY, AND TODAY OUR PROCEDURES ARE CHANGING SOMEWHAT.

AND I'M GOING TO LET THE CITY CLERK EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, AND THEN SHE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL THE CALL THE TODAY'S SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, AS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

WE WILL BE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT DIFFERENTLY TODAY.

DUE TO AN ORDER SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR LAST WEEK AS IT RELATES TO VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETINGS AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT ONLY TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR THE LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE AND CLEARLY STATE WHICH ITEM YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO IN THIS CASE, NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE START OF YOUR COMMENT.

ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MARY LUCID.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MARY LUCID AND I LIVE IN OCEANSIDE AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF DIRECTIONS OR SHRINKING SERVICES TO SENIORS.

I WANT TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE ADVISE THE STAFF TO STUDY THE SENIOR CENTER AND FIND OUT IF A FULL TIME SENIOR CENTER MANAGER IS NEEDED AND THE DIRECTION TO GROW THE SENIOR CENTER AND PLACE SOME SENIORS WHO USE THE SENIOR CENTER ON THE SENIOR COMMISSION OR TO FORM THEIR OWN COMMISSION WITHIN THE SENIOR CENTER TO DISCUSS THE CODES OF CONDUCT THERE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPER MANAGEMENT RESPOND TO REQUESTS BY SENIORS INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM TURNED DOWN OR BE IGNORED BECAUSE SUPPOSEDLY THEY DIDN'T SPEAK TO THE RIGHT PERSON AND ALSO TO BRAINSTORM ON HOW TO.

UM, PROVIDE THINGS TO THE SENIORS.

SUCH AS ZOOM MEETINGS FOR HIGH CAP TO PICK INSURANCE.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK BRIAN BACARDI, THE FACILITIES MANAGER, FOR

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BEING SO PLEASANT WHEN I ASKED HIM TO INSTALL HANDICAPPED TOILETS FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF SENIORS AT THE SENIOR CENTER.

HE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SERVING THE COMMUNITY.

HE SAID HE UNDERSTOOD WHY SENIORS WOULD APPRECIATE HANDICAPPED TOILETS, AND HE WOULD GET IT DONE WITHIN TWO WEEKS TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR THE SENIORS.

I'M NOT SURE WHY PARK AND RECREATION AND SENIOR CENTER MANAGEMENT DID NOT TRY AND MAKE THINGS MORE CONVENIENT FOR SENIORS SOONER THAN THIS.

HE DIDN'T HESITATE TO BE OF SERVICE.

AND SINCE I WENT TO THE COMMUNITY ASSEMBLY AND LEARNED ABOUT THE CARLSBAD VALUES TO SERVE.

HE'S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF SERVING THE PUBLIC AND TRYING TO DO THE BEST THAT HE CAN DO.

INSTEAD OF PRESERVING HIS OWN LITTLE WORLD HE GROWS AND HELPS OTHERS TO GROW.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO HIM FOR THAT AND ASK YOU TO PLEASE STUDY THE SENIOR CENTER AND FIND OUT IF WE NEED A FULL TIME SENIOR CENTER MANAGER.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ENDING AT -9751.

WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF AND CARLSBAD RESIDENTS.

MY NAME IS TRACEY CARMICHAEL.

I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT, REGISTERED VOTER, A HOMEOWNER AND A BUSINESS OWNER.

I AM YOUR CONSTITUENT.

YOU ARE MY REPRESENTATIVE.

WE KNOW CHANGE IS NOT ALWAYS POPULAR, BUT IT CAN BE PROVEN TO BE BENEFICIAL.

HOWEVER, TO EFFECTIVELY CREATE CHANGE IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE BENEFIT AND FOR THIS TO OCCUR YOU NEED TO PROACTIVELY COMMUNICATE WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS.

LET'S TAKE A SIMPLE EXAMPLE.

THE PASSAGE OF AB 361 THIS BILL WAS AMENDED 9/16/2021 AT 9:00 P.M.

THIS RECENT CHANGE AFFECTED HOW WE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS TODAY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS NOT ANY ADVANCE NOTIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC AND CONCERNED ANY LAST MINUTE CHANGES IN HOW THE PUBLIC GAINS ACCESS TO ANY PUBLIC MEETING GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WANT TO LIMIT THE CONVERSATION BY SIMPLY CHANGING THE PROCESS.

ON THIS AGENDA THERE ARE RELEVANT DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS THAT WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO OUR CITY AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE BY LIMITING INPUT ON ANY AGENDA.

IT DOES NOT BUILD GOOD PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN YOUR ABILITY TO DO YOUR JOB THAT WE ELECTED YOU TO DO.

PLEASE, LET'S SLOW DOWN, TAKE A MOMENT, TAKE A BIG, DEEP BREATH.

WE ARE CONSTITUENTS AND WE WANT TO BE ON THE SAME TEAM.

I REQUEST THAT YOU RETURN TO OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS.

YOU HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES TO BE INFORMED AND EDUCATED CONSTITUENTS SO THAT WE CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT AFFECTS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE WANT TO ENGAGE WITH YOU SO WE CAN DO BETTER SO YOU CAN BE BETTER.

AND SO WE CAN WORK FOR A BETTER TOMORROW.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THAT IS THE LAST SPEAKER RAISING THEIR HAND ON THIS ITEM.

OK THANK YOU TO THE SPEAKERS.

MOVING ALONG, WE HAVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

DOES THE COUNCIL WISH TO PULL ANY ITEM? YES, SIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL THREE, I'D JUST LIKE A PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT.

OK SO MR. BLACKBURN ASKED US.

SO WE HAVE TWO ITEMS, ONE AND TWO.

WE'RE SPEAKING TO IT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

AND I WOULD GO TO THE CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? I WILL CALL FOR SPEAKERS ON CONSENT AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.

IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR

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NINE TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS BEN CHURCHILL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER, MY NAME IS BEN CHURCHILL, I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

I'M ALSO THE PROUD SUPERINTENDENT OF THE CARLSBAD UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.

MY COMMENTS TODAY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOU BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE CITY OF CARLSBAD FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS IN THE CURRENT SCHOOL YEAR.

AS I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU, WHEN THIS ITEM HAS COME UP IN PREVIOUS YEARS, OUR STUDENTS, STAFF AND FAMILIES ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE ONGOING SUPPORT OF THE CITY AND THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE'VE HAD A STRONG RELATIONSHIP FOR MANY YEARS.

OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS ARE AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF OUR OVERALL PROGRAM FOR THE PHYSICAL, MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR STUDENTS.

I SPEAK OFTEN WITH SUPERINTENDENTS FROM AROUND THE STATE AND AROUND THE NATION, AND FEW HAVE AS POSITIVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP AS WE HAVE HERE IN CARLSBAD.

PART OF THAT, I BELIEVE, IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT MANY OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK AND SERVE IN THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT LIVE HERE IN CARLSBAD AND SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.

THEY'RE INVESTED IN OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR COMMUNITY.

AND FOR THIS, I AM VERY GRATEFUL.

ANOTHER PART OF THE REASON THAT WE HAVE SUCH A POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP IS DUE TO THE LEADERSHIP ON OUR CITY COUNCIL AND OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND IN THE OFFICE OF THE POLICE CHIEF.

I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT OF THE SRO MOU WITH CARLSBAD UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND WHILE I HAVE A MOMENT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE SELECTION OF AN OUTSTANDING POLICE CHIEF, MICKEY WILLIAMS, FIVE AND A HALF YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS NEWLY HIRED AS THE SUPERINTENDENT IN CARLSBAD.

CHIEF WILLIAMS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE I MET.

HE WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO MAKE SURE MY FAMILY AND I FELT WELCOMED AND SAFE IN CARLSBAD.

THE CITY COULD NOT HAVE HAD A BETTER AMBASSADOR.

IN CLOSING, AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER MOU WITH CARLSBAD UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AS SUPERINTENDENT AND AS A RESIDENT PARENT, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS ITEM TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHURCHILL.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER LAST ARE -9751.

WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? SORRY I PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON.

SORRY, WRONG AGENDA ITEM.

THANK YOU.

OK.

NO MORE SPEAKERS.

THOSE ARE ALL THE SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEMS ONE AND TWO COULD THE CITY SECRETARY CALL ROLL.

I DON'T THINK WE MADE THE MOTION YET, I MOVE APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE OR TWO.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN DR.

BHAT-PATEL.

SECOND, THE MOTION.

AND SO I'M GOING TO CALL ITEMS ONE AND TWO.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM THREE.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE, COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE MAYOR HALL, AYE.

ITEMS ONE AND TWO PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM THREE MR.

[3. COLLECTION OF CITY EMPLOYEE VACCINATION INFORMATION – Adoption of a resolution empowering the Director of Emergency Services to require the collection of city employee vaccination information to aid the city’s COVID-19 pandemic planning, prevention, response and compliance efforts. (Staff Contact: Judy von Kalinowski, Administrative Services Department)]

BLACKBURN.

I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT WHAT OUR WHAT OUR GOAL IS FOR DOING THIS AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE DIFFERENT BARGAINING ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN THE CITY? OKAY, JUST FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING.

ITEM THREE IS A COLLECTION OF CITY EMPLOYEE VACCINATION INFORMATION.

SO JUST SO IF PEOPLE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING STAFF MR. [INAUDIBLE] I CAN CERTAINLY RESPOND TO THAT.

YES, THE UNIONS HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THIS ITEM TONIGHT.

IF THE GOAL OF THE EFFORTS TO COLLECT ANY INFORMATION ON THE VACCINE STATUS OF THE EMPLOYEES SO THAT WE CAN STAND READY, WE COULD BE READY FOR ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT COME OUR WAY.

REGARDING MANDATING VACCINES OR ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS TO REALLY HELP IN THE PREVENTION AND PLANNING OF THIS PANDEMIC.

SO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST ASKING SO THAT THE DIRECTOR OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICE CAN COLLECT THE DATA SO WE CAN HAVE ACCURATE DATA FOR US AS A CITY.

IF WE DO MOVE TO MANDATE ANY VACCINES, IT WILL CERTAINLY BE [INAUDIBLE] OVER THE IMPACTS AND WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT.

SO THIS IS JUST A COLLECTION OF INFORMATION, AND IT'S NOT USED TO CREATE ANY PROBLEMS FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED, IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IS JUST SIMPLY TO COLLECT THE DATA SO WE COULD PLAN FOR ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT COME OUR WAY.

WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THE ACCURATE DATA SO WE CAN KNOW HOW MANY STAFF DO WE NEED TO RESPOND TO ANY REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT BE ITS MOST IMPORTANTLY, IN THE EFFORTS FOR

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COMPLIANCE EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE THAT WE CAN SHOW THE DATA IS ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL AND IT HAS BEEN AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE.

AND THEN COLLECTING THE DATA SO WE CAN BE IN THE BEST POSITION TO RESPOND TO THIS PANDEMIC.

THE REASON I'M ASKING IS I HAD REQUESTS FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE FOR CLARIFICATION ON THIS, AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO ASK YOU TO CLARIFY THAT THIS ABSOLUTELY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY MANDATED VACCINATIONS.

YES, COUNCIL MEMBER AT THIS POINT, THIS REQUIREMENT TONIGHT IS SIMPLY TO GIVE THE DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY SERVICES THE ABILITY TO COLLECT THIS DATA.

SO WE KNOW RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ACCURATE DATA THAT SAYS WHO IT IS AND WHO IS NOT VACCINATED, AND BY BEING ABLE TO GATHER IT FROM OUR EMPLOYEES, WE'LL BE BEST EQUIPPED TO RESPOND AGAIN.

WE'VE DONE AMAZING EFFORTS THE CITY HAS DONE, I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, VERY AMAZING EFFORTS IN RESPONDING, AND THIS WILL JUST GIVE US A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.

OK, THANK YOU.

I HOPE MY QUESTIONS HAVE CLEARED UP FOR THE PUBLIC WHO INQUIRED OF ME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

SO MOVE ADOPTION OR APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM NUMBER THREE.

OK, CAN WE GET A SECOND AND THEN WE'LL GO TO DR.

BHAT-PATEL, SURE I'LL SECOND.

OK, BEFORE WE GO TO DR.

CAN I ASK THE CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE ONE AND LET ME ALSO ASK ANY OTHERS I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND OR SIMPLY VIRTUALLY RAISE YOUR HAND.

THE FIRST SPEAKER ENDS WITH -9751.

PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL.

COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF AND CARLSBAD RESIDENTS, MY NAME IS TRACEY CARMICHAEL.

I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT, A REGISTERED VOTER, HOMEOWNER AND BUSINESS OWNER.

I'M YOUR CONSTITUENT AND YOU REPRESENT ME, MY FAMILY AND OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE MOVED TO CARLSBAD 44 YEARS AGO.

WE CHOSE CARLSBAD BECAUSE WE WANTED OUR FAMILY TO HAVE A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE.

EVERY DAY WE'RE EXPERIENCING A SLOW TRICKLE DOWN OF OUR SERVICES.

HOW CAN I BEST DESCRIBE THIS TO YOU? I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.

WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING EVERY DAY IS OUR FREEDOMS AND OUR LIBERTIES BEING TAKEN AWAY.

AND IT'S AFFECTING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

THESE RIGHTS ARE TO ACCESS PUBLIC MEETINGS, SPACES AND PUBLIC SPACES, RIGHTS TO DO OUR PRIVATE BUSINESS, RIGHTS TO CHOOSE RIGHTS TO WORK, RIGHTS TO PRIVACY RIGHTS TO FREELY MOVE RIGHTS TO GOODS AND SERVICES.

WE ARE ALL ADULTS WE KNOW CHANGE IS NOT ALWAYS POPULAR, BUT IT CAN BE PROVEN TO BE BENEFICIAL.

HOWEVER, TO CREATE CHANGE FOR THE GREATER GOOD IS TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT AND ASSOCIATED RISK TO THE SHORT AND LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS OF ALL STAKEHOLDERS.

DO YOU WANT TO LOSE THE QUALITY EMPLOYEES WHO PROVIDE QUALITY SERVICES TO YOUR RESIDENTS? DO YOU WANT TO CREATE A REDUCTION OF A QUALITY WORKFORCE? DO YOU WANT TO CREATE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF GOODS AND SERVICES? DO YOU WANT TO LIMIT ACCESS TO JOBS? DO YOU WANT TO CREATE AN INCREASE IN RESPONSE TIMES? YOU WANT TO DECREASE THE SERVICE TO RESIDENTS AFFECTING THEIR HEALTH OUTCOMES? DO YOU WANT TO VIOLATE THE CONFIDENTIAL RIGHTS OF ANYONE? DO YOU WANT TO VIOLATE ANYONE'S RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OR FREEDOMS? YOU WANT TO ENCUMBER THE CITY WITH FINANCIAL AND LEGAL LIABILITIES BY NOT UPHOLDING BINDING CONTRACTS? DO YOU WANT TO CREATE A HOSTILE WORKPLACE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS NOT INCLUSIVE EQUAL BY PURSUING AN UNNECESSARY MANDATE, THIS IS A MANDATE THAT IS DRIVEN BY PARTIZAN POLITICS.

IT IS NOT A LAW.

YOU TOOK AN OATH OF OFFICE TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.

DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ALL PEOPLE AND PROTECT THEIR PRIVACY.

PLEASE CONSIDER YOUR DECISION TODAY WILL HAVE SHORT AND LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL TAKE YEARS TO RESTORE.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THE NEXT SPEAKER ENDS WITH -1732.

PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, THIS IS KELLY [INAUDIBLE], AND I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT IN MARCH 2020 GOVERNOR NEWSOM DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC IN JUNE 2021.

HE STATED THAT HE DID NOT PLAN TO LIFT THE STATE OF EMERGENCY, EVEN WHILE HE DECLARED CALIFORNIA FULLY REOPEN.

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AT THIS POINT, EIGHTEEN MONTHS LATER, WE HAVE CAUGHT ON THAT THE PERSISTENT CLAIMS OF CRISIS BY THE GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS ALL ABOUT GRABBING POWER AND CONTROL FROM THE PEOPLE UNDER THE GUISE OF EMERGENCY.

THE CITY MANAGER IS ENCOURAGING THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION REQUIRING THE COLLECTION OF CITY EMPLOYEE VACCINATION INFORMATION IF THEY REFUSE.

WILL THEY BE FIRED? WILL IT MATTER THAT AN EMPLOYEE IS NOT VACCINATED BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE VIRUS AND THEREFORE HAVE BETTER IMMUNITY THAN ANYONE VACCINATED? WILL THIS FORCE SOME ESSENTIAL GOVERNMENT WORKERS, FIRST RESPONDERS LIKE POLICE, FIRE NURSES, DOCTORS TO LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR EMPLOYMENT? SINCE WHEN DOES THE GOVERNMENT FORCE US TO DIVULGE OUR PRIVATE MEDICAL INFORMATION TO THE STATE? WHAT IS NEXT? MANDATORY VACCINATIONS FOR EMPLOYEES? THIS VIRUS IS NOT GOING AWAY.

PERHAPS THE CITY MANAGER, CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND OTHER UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS CAN START SHARING INFORMATION ON THE OPTIONS OF AFFORDABLE AND EFFECTIVE THERAPEUTICS AVAILABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY FIGHT THIS VIRUS, RATHER THAN FEARMONGER, DIVIDE AND SEGREGATE US.

LET'S NOT SEGREGATE OUR COMMUNITY INTO VACCINATED AND UNVACCINATED THAT IS SO DIVISIVE, AND WHAT WE NEED IS UNITY.

REJECT THE CITY MANAGER'S RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT SPEAKER ENDS WITH -1681.

CAN YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

HI, MY NAME IS KATIE TAYLOR.

I'M A 40 YEAR BUSINESS OWNER IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, AND I HAVE SEVEN FAMILY MEMBERS CURRENTLY LIVING IN DISTRICT ONE, AND I WANT TO POINT OUT A KEY STATEMENT JUST MADE AND I APOLOGIZE IF I SAY HER NAME INCORRECTLY.

I THINK IT WAS JUDY [INAUDIBLE].

HER VERY WORDS WERE AT THIS POINT WHEN EVERYBODY KEEP REPEATING THAT AT THIS POINT, I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE COLLECTIVE EMPLOYEE VACCINATION INFORMATION THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS ALREADY BEING SUED OVER COVID 19 ACTION PLAN AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THIS INCLUDES STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL MARK BRNOVICH OF ARIZONA, AND I SAID TO THE CITY CLERK AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL THE LAWSUIT AND THE [INAUDIBLE] LAWSUIT IS PRETTY DESCRIBES WHAT'S GOING ON.

THIS CASE PRESENTS CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAVE BEEN UNTHINKABLE TO OUR FOUNDING FATHERS.

THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH HAS ADOPTED AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICY OF FAVORING ALIENS THAT HAVE UNLAWFULLY ENTERED THE UNITED STATES OVER ACTUAL U.S.

CITIZENS, BOTH NATIVE AND FOREIGN BORN WITH THE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

IN DOING SO, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION RESPECTED THE PUTATIVE RIGHTS OF THOSE ILLEGALLY ENTERING THE UNITED STATES WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY SHOWING CONTEMPT FOR THE ACTUAL RIGHTS OF U.S.

CITIZENS.

THIS PREFERENCE IS UNLAWFUL AND IT VIOLATES THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE.

SPECIFICALLY, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS DISCLAIMED ANY COVID 19 VACCINATION REQUIREMENT FOR UNAUTHORIZED ALIENS, EVEN THOSE BEING RELEASED DIRECTLY INTO THE UNITED STATES.

ALTHOUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY OFFERS VACCINATIONS TO ALIENS [INAUDIBLE] UNLAWFULLY ENTERING THE UNITED STATES, IT DOES NOT INSIST THEY BE VACCINATED EVEN IF THEY ARE BEING RELEASED INTO THE U.S.

RATHER THAN IMMEDIATELY DEPORTED.

MANY REFUSE.

REPORTING INDICATES THAT ROUGHLY 30 PERCENT DECLINE THE OFFER OF VACCINATION.

THAT IS SO EVEN THOUGH COVID 19 IS PREVALENT AMONG MIGRANTS.

MORE THAN 18 PERCENT OF MIGRANT FAMILIES HAVE RECENTLY CROSSED THE BORDER TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID BEFORE BEING RELEASED BY BORDER PATROL.

ANOTHER 20 PERCENT OF UNACCOMPANIED MINORS TESTED POSITIVE.

THE UPSHOT IS THAT ALIENS UNLAWFULLY CROSS THE UNITED STATES ARE NOT BOUND BY ANY FEDERAL VACCINATION REQUIREMENT WHATSOEVER.

I AM ACTUALLY ASTONISHED CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL IS EVEN CONSIDERING THIS INVASION OF PRIVACY AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE.

NO CITY OR STATE SHOULD ENACT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BIDEN COVID 19 MANDATE UNTIL HAS BEEN LITIGATED IN THE COURTS.

IF THERE IS A SINCERE INTEREST IN COVID 19 PLANNING, A DEEPER LEVEL OF QUESTIONS WOULD BE ASKED HAVE YOU HAD COVID 19? HAVE YOU BEEN VACCINATED AND BECAME INFECTED WITH COVID 19?

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HAVE YOU TESTED FOR COVID 19 ANTIBODIES? HAS A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY HAD AN ADVERSE REACTION TO THE COVID 19? THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS MAYOR.

HEY, DR. BHAT-PATEL, YOU DID HAVE YOUR HAND UP.

YES.

YES, I DID.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK IN OUR CFA, SO THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION AND THEN THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, I LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS ITEM, WHICH THEY ALREADY WERE AWARE OF.

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO CHECK IN WITH THEM PERSONALLY, AND THEY ARE OPEN TO INFORMATION GATHERING FOR THE VACCINATIONS.

THAT WAS THE OTHER LEADERSHIP.

SO I JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT.

FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW QUITE A FEW FOLKS WERE CONCERNED.

BUT WE HAVE CHECKED IN WITH OUR EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATIONS.

THANK YOU.

OK.

WE DID HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BLACKBURN I STILL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, PLEASE.

OK.

QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I JUST I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT DR.

BHAT-PATEL JUST SAID.

I TOO HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SOME OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED AT THE MOMENT WITH THE COLLECTION.

THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE MANDATING OF VACCINATIONS, WHICH IS NOT THIS THIS ITEM, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DISCLOSE THAT THE WHOLE THING.

MY QUESTION IS THIS SEEMS TO BE VERY DIVISIVE, MAKES PEOPLE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

HOW NECESSARY IS IT FOR US TO COLLECT THIS INFORMATION RIGHT NOW? IS THIS IN PREPARATION OF A POSSIBLE STATE OR FEDERAL MANDATE? AND IF SO, COULD IT JUST BE COLLECTED LATER IF WE'RE MANDATED TO DO THAT? WE ARE COLLECTING THEIR DATA, THE EFFORTS, AND I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL THE INFORMATION GATHERING IS JUST FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES HERE AND WE WE HAVE TALKED WITH ALL THE ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT AND I WANTED TO CLEAR THAT CLARIFY THAT POINT.

THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHER, IF WE GATHER IT NOW, WE WILL BE BEST PREPARED SHOULD ANY MANDATES COME DOWN OUR WAY, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE FEDERAL OR FROM THE STATE.

SO THAT WILL HELP US WHEN, AS WE GATHER NOW, WE CAN REVIEW IT AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE IN ORDER TO BEST PREPARE FOR ANY COMPLIANCE EFFORTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.

COVID COMPLIANCE IS VERY KEY TO US AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO WE HAVE TO WORK WITH ON THIS.

SO THAT IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THE JUST THE DATA COLLECTION AT THIS POINT.

AND SHOULD I.

LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, IT MOST EMPLOYEES HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SUPPLYING THAT INFORMATION, BUT A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES ARE VERY BOTHERED BY IT AND IT'S JUST LIKE IN THE THEY REFLECT THE GENERAL POPULATION.

THERE ARE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS.

SO RATHER THAN MAKE ANY OF THE EMPLOYEES UNCOMFORTABLE WITH MANDATING DISCLOSURE, COULD THAT BE PUT OFF UNTIL IT'S A NECESSARY COLLECTION FOR ANY KIND OF STATE OR FEDERAL MANDATES? SO THEN THAT WAY YOU SAY WE'RE DOING IT IN PREPARATION OF A POSSIBLE MANDATE.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE OUR OUR RESIDENTS NOT RESIDENTS, OUR EMPLOYEES UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN IT'S JUST PREPPING FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN THE PIKE OR NOT.

VACCINE COUNCIL MEMBER, THERE IS A MEET OF OUR REQUIREMENT.

SO BEFORE WE EVEN MOVE TOWARDS THAT PROCESS, WE WILL CONFER WITH EVERY ASSOCIATION TO.

YOU MEAN FOR OVER ANY IMPACTS, SO THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY THERE BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT ANY TYPE OF MANDATING OF VACCINES.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I WANT TO DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, HEY, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN WAIT? AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'VE BEEN WAITING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS WE REQUIRED A MASK MANDATE FOR ANYONE ENTERING A CITY FACILITY REGARDLESS OF VACCINATION STATUS.

NOW THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE REGION THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED A MANDATORY VACCINATION THAT I BELIEVE, OR AT LEAST ARE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING THAT.

AND SO WE'RE ROUTINELY REQUESTED.

WHAT IS YOUR VACCINATION STATUS? WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE? AND THIS WILL BETTER ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NECESSARY INFORMATION BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERY SINGLE CITY EMPLOYEE IS AN EMERGENCY DISASTER SERVICE WORKER.

IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND AND QUITE

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FRANKLY, THE PUBLIC ALSO HAS AN EXPECTATION THAT WHEN WE'RE RESPONDING TO AN EMERGENCY, THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT IS RESPONDING IS NOT POSING A GREATER RISK IN RESPONSE TO THEIR EFFORTS.

SO AND THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE INFORMATION.

THE INFORMATION ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL WILL BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL.

THAT SAID, FROM PLANNING PURPOSES AS WELL AS WORKFORCE READINESS, WE DO NEED THAT INFORMATION.

AND I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO HASH OUT IN MY HEAD IF WE'RE DOING THIS JUST TO BE PREPARED FOR A MANDATE THAT MAY AND MAY NOT COME DOWN FROM THE STATE OR THE FEDS.

WHY CAN'T IT BE DONE LATER WHEN THE MANDATE DOES COME DOWN, IF ONE DOES COME DOWN RATHER THAN SAYING WE JUST WANT TO DO IT, SO WE'RE PREPARED FOR LATER, BUT WE'RE CREATING SOME UNNECESSARY STRESS FOR SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO WHO HAVE A VERY STRONG FEELING ABOUT THIS.

SO I WANT TO KNOW IF I VOTE NO ON THIS.

AM I CREATING A HUGE PROBLEM FOR OUR OUR PREPAREDNESS OR IF THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN AS A STATE OR FEDERAL MANDATE? WE CAN COLLECT THE INFORMATION THEN BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE A SPECIFIC REASON FOR COLLECTING IT, NOT JUST TO THEORETICALLY JUST BE PREPARED IN CASE THAT HAPPENS.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION ABOUT THAT, BUT AGAIN, FOR US TO END UP TAKING THIS ACTION, WE WOULD NEED TO EITHER CALL A SPECIAL MEETING FOR COUNCIL TO THEN ACT ON THIS AT A LATER DATE OR ACTUALLY WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT THE SCHEDULED MEETING.

AND AS WE KNOW, WHEN THESE THINGS OCCUR, THEY OCCUR RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN THE BEST POSITION POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO AN EMERGENCY.

AND I DO WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT, FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN LAW ASSOCIATED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND SO THAT CHANGE IN THE LAW OCCURRED WHEN THE GOVERNOR SIGNED 361, WHICH WE JUMPED TO AND ENDED UP PUSHING THE INFORMATION OUT AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD SO THAT WE COULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW WHEN A MANDATE COMES FORWARD.

MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IS IN THE BEST READINESS POSITION SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO AN EMERGENCY FOR THAT TIME WHEN THAT TIME IS CALLED.

AND FINALLY, I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, IT IS A CONTINUING PANDEMIC THAT IS NOW TRANSITIONED TO AN ENDEMIC, BUT THAT RESPONSE STILL IS NECESSARY.

24/7, 365 DAYS A YEAR, OK, AND FOR MY CLOSING REMARKS, I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION.

BUT FOR MY CLOSING REMARKS, I.

THE IDEA THAT CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING LATER IS NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL AS CREATING THE STRESS FOR EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

BUT I THINK IT WILL BE AT LEAST A A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE SOME STRESS OVER THIS ISSUE.

SO I WANT TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO VOTE NO, MAINLY BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PREPPING FOR.

AND I THINK THAT IF THE MANDATE COMES DOWN, WE CAN THEN COLLECT THE INFORMATION AND THEN IT'S A FOR A SPECIFIC REASON, NOT JUST TO HAVE IT JUST IN CASE.

THAT'S MY CLOSING STATEMENT.

OK, DOCTOR, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THEN? SURE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.

AND I'LL SECOND IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, I'LL JUST MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT.

AND AND IT WOULD JUST BE IN RESPONSE TO THE CONCERN THAT MR. BLACKBURN HAS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. BLACKBURN, WHICH IS WHY I HAD CHECKED IN WITH A FEW OF THE DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS.

I THINK THAT WHAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO MENTION IS THAT AS DIFFICULT AS IT HAS BEEN, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR STAFF, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PLANNING PURPOSES, IF THIS IS TO COME DOWN FROM ANY SEPARATE ENTITY, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT OUR TEAM IS PROACTIVE AND NOT THAT WE'RE NOT REACTING CLEARLY TODAY.

FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE NOT EXCITED ABOUT HOW WE HAD TO CHANGE OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS.

SO I THINK THE SAME WAY, AT THE VERY LEAST, WE'LL BE ALREADY PREPARED IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN.

SO WITH THAT, FOR ME, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GIVE ALL THE TOOLS TO OUR TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SUCCEED.

SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

OK.

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ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LET'S CALL THE QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, AYE, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, AYE, COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN NO.

MAYOR HALL AYE.

SO THIS ITEM ITEM THREE ON THE CONSENT COUNTER PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ALONG.

I'M SORRY 4-1 MY MISTAKE.

MOVING ALONG ORDINANCES FOR INTRODUCTION ORDINANCE TO REPEAL CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL

[4. ORDINANCE TO REPEAL CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 2.20 – CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER AND AMEND SECTION 2.12.025 – MANAGER PRO TEMPORE – ACTING CITY MANAGER – Introduction of an ordinance repealing Chapter 2.20 and amending Section 2.12.025 of the Carlsbad Municipal Code. (Staff contact: Cindie McMahon, City Attorney Department and Sheila Cobian, City Manager Department)]

CODE CHAPTER 2.20.

CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER AND AMEND SECTION 2.12.025 MANAGERS PRO TEM AND ACTING CITY MANAGER.

MAYOR WE DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION PREPARED ON THIS, BUT IT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

THIS IS A CLEAN UP ITEM TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TITLES ARE CORRECT FOR WHEN SCOTT IS ABSENT EXCUSE ME WHEN THE CITY MANAGER IS ABSENT.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE THE PRESENTATION, I'LL CALL IT UP.

OTHERWISE I'LL TITLE THE ORDINANCE.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

ANYONE WANT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION? NOT SEEING ANY THUMBS UP.

PLEASE TITLE OH, WAIT FIRST BEFORE WE DO.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? AT THIS TIME, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW OR RAISE YOUR HAND WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

THE FIRST SPEAKER ENDS WITH -9651.

PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

HI, MAYOR, COUNCIL.

THIS IS TRACY CARMICHAEL, AGAIN, CARLSBAD RESIDENT.

I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK BRIEFLY TO THIS AGENDA ITEM AND HOPE AT SOME POINT THAT THE CITY MANAGER CAN ADDRESS IN THIS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL ORG CHART.

IN THAT, I NOTICED THAT THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY TREASURER IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR ORG CHART AND WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN MAKE SOME CORRECTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE CORRECTION AT A LATER COUNCIL MEETING.

THANK YOU.

THANK CONCLUDES ALL OF THE SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OK.

AND THEN CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU COULD TITLE THE ORDINANCE, THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, REPEALING CHAPTER 2.20 AND AMENDING SECTION 2.12.025 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE.

MOTION.

WERE WERE YOU NOT ABLE TO HEAR ME? I'M SORRY.

YOU MADE THE MOTION.

YEAH, I'LL REPEAT IT IN CASE YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME MOVE, INTRODUCTION TO THE ORDINANCE CONTAINING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

SECOND.

OK.

DON'T SEE ANY COMMENT.

CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY AYE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE MAYOR HALL AYE.

SO THIS ITEM DOES PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX.

ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER CS 402, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE 6.16 NUISANCES YES.

YOU SKIPPED OVER NUMBER FIVE.

I'M SORRY.

WELL, I'M NOT WITH IT AM I SCOTT? IT'S OK.

ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER CS-401.

[5. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. CS-401 – ESTABLISH A 45 MPH SPEED LIMIT ON POINSETTIA LANE FROM CASSIA ROAD TO EL CAMINO REAL – Adoption Ordinance No. CS-401 amending Title 10, Chapter 10.44 of the Carlsbad Municipal Code Section 10.44.360 to establish a 45 miles per hour speed limit upon Poinsettia Lane from Cassia Road to El Camino Real. (Staff contact: Faviola Medina, City Clerk Department)]

ESTABLISHING A FORTY FIVE MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON POINSETTIA LANE FROM CASSIA ROAD TO EL CAMINO REAL SO...

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TITLE THE ORDINANCE FOR ADOPTION, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING TITLE 10 CHAPTER 10.44 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, SECTION 10.44.360 TO ESTABLISH A FORTY FIVE MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT UPON POINSETTIA LANE FROM CASSIA ROAD TO EL CAMINO REAL.

WE HAVE TO ASK FOR COMMENTS.

YES.

WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE MAKE A MOTION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE AND THEN A SECOND AND THEN WE'LL HAVE COMMENTS IF YOU LIKE, AND ALSO WE NEED TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKER'S.

MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE CONTAINED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

OK ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX NOW OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS MAYOR.

OK.

COMMENTS.

MR. BLACKBURN.

NO, I'M SORRY WHEN I SAID COMMENTS, I MEANT SPEAKERS.

OH, OK.

OK, THEN IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, COULD THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL ROLL.

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COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE.

MAYOR HALL AYE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY NOW ON ITEM SIX, JUST TRYING TO MAKE UP LOST TIME, GUYS.

[6. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. CS-402 AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 6.16 –NUISANCES – Adoption of Ordinance CS 402 amending Title 6, Chapter 6.16 of the Carlsbad Municipal Code concerning public nuisances. (Staff contact: Faviola Medina, City Clerk Department)]

ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE NUMBER CS 402 AMENDED CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 6.16 NUISANCES.

THANK YOU! THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING TITLE 6, CHAPTER 6.16 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CONCERNING PUBLIC NUISANCES.

MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

SECOND.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? AT THIS TIME, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS, MAYOR, ANY ANY FURTHER COMMENTS SEEING NONE COULD THE CLERK PLEASE TAKE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, AYE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AYE COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AYE, MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AYE, MAYOR HALL, AYE.

ITEM SIX PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO WE'LL GO TO DEPARTMENTAL AND CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION

[7. SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN – 1) Receive an update on the draft Sustainable Materials Management Implementation Plan and, if desired, provide direction on the Policy Section, which includes options for bans on materials and disposal of certain materials; and 2) Adoption of a resolution directing staff to return to the City Council later this year with a final Sustainable Materials Management Implementation Plan and accompanying request for needed resources. (Staff contact: James Wood, Public Works)]

PLAN.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR. CHADWICK, TO MAKE INTRODUCTIONS.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

AND MAKING TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, MR. JAMES WOODS.

THANK YOU.

CITY MANAGER.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS.

VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO TO SHOW YOU AND DISCUSS THE DRAFT SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

ALSO TODAY WITH US, WE HAVE ROB HILTON AND NICOLE [INAUDIBLE], WHO IS WITH WHO ARE WITH HF&H, WHICH IS THE CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE USED TO HELP US WITH THIS PROGRAM.

SO I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN AND GET INTO THE PRESENTATION.

OK.

SO TODAY, AGAIN, THIS IS THE SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IS, THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT REDUCES CONSUMPTION OF RAW MATERIALS IN PRODUCTION OF NEW MATERIALS AND PRODUCTS.

IT'S USED TO MINIMIZE THE GENERATION OF WASTE MATERIALS TO MAXIMIZE THE PRODUCTIVE USE OF MATERIALS BY REUSING AND REPURPOSING THOSE MATERIALS AND MINIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF MATERIALS ULTIMATELY DISPOSED OF WHEN THEY REACH THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE.

IN 2019 STAFF BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL A SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND THIS WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.

THIS PLAN INCLUDED THREE PHASES.

THE FIRST PHASE WAS TO COMPLY WITH ALL CURRENT SOLID WASTE REGULATIONS.

THE SECOND PHASE WAS TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW SENATE BILL 1383, WHICH GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST OF 2022, AND THIS INCLUDES ALL OF THE NEW ORGANICS REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN PHASE PHASE THREE WAS TO ESTABLISH SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO TONIGHT WE BROUGHT FORWARD A DRAFT SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

THIS PLAN, AS YOU LOOK THROUGH IT, INCLUDES AN UPDATE ON PHASES ONE AND TWO.

IT ALSO INCLUDES THE PHASE THREE, WHICH IS THE THE SYSTEMS THAT WE NEED IN THE CITY TO DEVELOP SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT.

THOSE INITIATIVES INCLUDE, FIRSTLY, A CITY DEPARTMENT ACTION PLAN.

SO WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS ON THIS TO FINE TUNE THESE.

BUT THESE PART OF THIS DRAFT PLAN, THEY ARE IN THIS PLAN, AND THAT'S HOW THE CITY WILL WORK TO MEET SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT.

INITIATIVE B INCLUDES STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT THAT HAS BEEN CONDUCTED TO DATE AND THEN INITIATIVES C IS THE POLICY DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE BROUGHT FORWARD TODAY TO ALLOW YOU TO PROVIDE ANY DIRECTION OR GIVE US COMMENTS ON ANYTHING RELATED TO THE POLICY OF THIS AND HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER AND THEN INITIATIVE D, WHICH INCLUDES A FULL LIST OF TYPES OF PUBLIC EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT CAN BE USED FOR ALL OF THESE ITEMS. LOOKING AT SB 1383.

JUST THE UPDATE, WE DID WANT TO INCLUDE THIS AND TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE TRANSITION PLAN WITH THE NEW WASTE HAULER THROUGH THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT THAT COUNCIL ACCEPTED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

THIS INCLUDES THE COLLECTION AND PROCESSING OF ORGANIC MATERIALS.

THIS INCLUDES ONE OF THE SB 1383 COMPONENTS, BUT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS CONTRACT THAT INCLUDE EDIBLE FOOD RECOVERY PROGRAMS,

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EDUCATION AND OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY.

PROCUREMENT OF RECYCLING AND ORGANIC WASTE PRODUCTS.

SECURE ACCESS TO RECYCLING AND EDIBLE FOOD RECOVERY.

CAPACITY AND MONITORING COMPLIANCE.

AND TO CONDUCT ENFORCEMENT.

AND IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND IN THE PLAN.

THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF FULL TIME EQUIVALENT STAFF THAT ARE NEEDED TO COMPLETE THESE THIS PART OF THE NEW LAW.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THOSE FTE, THE FULL TIME EQUIVALENTS THAT ARE THERE, THE FUNDING FOR THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

WE WILL BE COMING BACK IN THE FUTURE TO ASK FOR THE APPROPRIATION OF THE STAFF WITH THE MONEY IS ALREADY AVAILABLE IN THAT IN THAT BUDGET.

SO THEN INITIATIVE B IS THE PUBLIC OUTREACH COMPONENT.

JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THIS, WE DID A SURVEY EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH FOUR RESIDENTS.

THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANTLY SIGNIFICANT SURVEY THAT WAS DONE TO LOOK AT PROGRAMS FOR THE WASTE HAULER.

BUT THEN WE ALSO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT MATERIAL AND AND DISPOSAL BANDS THAT ARE AN INITIATIVE C, AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE THAT WERE SURVEYED SUPPORTED POLICIES THAT RELATE TO REQUIRING MANUFACTURERS AND STORES TO ASSIST WITH RECYCLING OF THEIR PRODUCTS.

AND THEN THIS SUMMER WE DID A BUSINESS SURVEY, WHICH IN THIS WAS A VOLUNTARY SURVEY.

SO IT WASN'T JUST FOR THOSE THAT WANTED TO FILL IT OUT, TOOK THE TIME TO FILL IT OUT AND PROVIDED INPUT.

THIS INCLUDED MAJORITY OF THOSE SURVEYED IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL BENEFITS FROM PROPOSED POLICIES AND THAT THEY SUPPORTED POLICIES THAT PROTECTED THE ENVIRONMENT.

THE ISSUE WITH THE BUSINESS SURVEY BECAUSE IT WAS VOLUNTARY.

THERE ARE COMPONENTS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT WERE NOT THAT WERE NOT.

THEY DO NOT FILL OUT THE SURVEY.

SO WE DIDN'T REALLY HEAR FROM EVERYONE OR ALL ASPECTS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

BUT THOSE THAT DID THESE WERE THE ANSWERS AND THE FULL DETAILS OF THOSE SURVEYS ARE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE REPORT.

SO THEN WHEN WE GET TO TONIGHT AS INITIATIVE C, WHICH IS REALLY POLICY DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE INPUT FROM YOU TO HELP DIRECT WHERE THIS GOES IN THE PLAN ITSELF, THERE ARE A FULL LIST SORT OF A MENU OF ALL TYPES OF POLICIES THAT COUNCIL COULD ADOPT.

AND THESE ARE BASED ON THINGS SUCH AS COMMUNITY INPUT, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.

THE ONES THAT ROSE TO THE TOP OF THIS, THE MOST THAT WE HEAR ABOUT THE MOST OR HAVE THE MOST ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT INCLUDE BANS ON SINGLE USE PLASTIC MATERIALS, PLASTIC AND EXPANDED POLYSTYRENE, FOOD SERVICE LAYER BEVERAGE BOTTLES AND PLASTIC BAGS, AND ALSO BANS ON THE DISPOSAL OF CERTAIN TYPES OF WASTES LIKE CONSTRUCTION, DEMOLITION, CARPET, MATTRESSES AND TEXTILES.

SO AGAIN, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS JUST A DRAFT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

WE WILL WE WILL UPDATE THIS PLAN, FINALIZE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

BUT.

AND HOPE TO INCLUDE ANY DIRECTION THAT IS PROVIDED TONIGHT ON THE POLICY ISSUES.

SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THE POLICY SECTION, WHICH PROPOSES WHICH INCLUDES OPTIONS FOR BANDS OF MATERIAL AND DISPOSAL OF CERTAIN MATERIALS IF DESIRED, AND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION DIRECTING STAFF TO RETURN WITH A FINAL SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND AN ACCOMPANYING REQUEST FOR NEEDED RESOURCES.

AND WITH THAT, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE RELATED TO THIS DRAFT PLAN.

OK.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

I WILL CALL YOUR NAME OR THE LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER.

PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE AND CLEARLY STATE THE ITEM.

THE FIRST SPEAKER ENDS WITH *9751 PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL COUNCIL MEMBER, STAFF AND CARLSBAD RESIDENTS, MY NAME IS TRACEY CARMICHAEL.

YOU KIND OF KNOW THE DRILL BY NOW.

I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT.

THERE'S A SAYING THAT SAYS TALK IS CHEAP AND MEANINGFUL.

CONVERSATION IS PRICELESS.

DUE TO THE PUBLIC'S LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME TO ADEQUATELY REVIEW THE SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENTATION AND THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET AND QUALITY OF LIFE, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THIS ITEM BE TABLED TO A SPECIAL MEETING.

THEY HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION WITH A DIVERSE, INCLUSIVE AND EQUAL TO ALL STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE A LASTING IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON OUR FUTURE LIABILITIES AND BUDGET.

I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ACTIONS TODAY.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN [INAUDIBLE] JONES, PRESS STAR

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SIX TO UNMUTE.

AM I UNMUTED? YES, YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL COUNCIL MEMBER, MY NAME IS JANICE JONES.

I HAVE BEEN COMPULSIVELY CLEANING CARLSBAD BEACHES FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS.

I'M ALSO A SURF WRITER.

SAN DIEGO RISE ABOVE PLASTICS COMMITTEE CO-LEAD.

THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE ABOUT SINGLE USE PLASTICS DURING CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS IN FEBRUARY OF 2019.

THAT EVENING, CITY COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO PLACE SINGLE USE PLASTICS ON THE LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM.

WE ARE STILL ADVOCATING FOR CHANGE BECAUSE THE WORLD'S OCEANS CONTINUE TO BE INUNDATED WITH AN ESTIMATED EIGHT MILLION TONS OF TRASH ANNUALLY, AND IT'S NOT JUST POLLUTING THE OCEAN.

MICROPLASTICS HAVE BEEN FOUND IN THE MOST REMOTE AND PRISTINE PLACES AROUND THE PLANET, AND IT'S EVEN ENTERED THE FOOD CHAIN.

THE STATISTICS ARE ALARMING, BUT I BECOME EVEN MORE ALARMED WHEN I CLEAN OUR BEAUTIFUL BEACHES IN CARLSBAD AND SEE THE LOCAL IMPACTS FIRSTHAND.

I'M ALWAYS SADDENED BY THE STYROFOAM BITS, PLASTIC STRAWS AND OTHER SINGLE USE ITEMS THAT I CLEAN UP BECAUSE THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY DECLARATION IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT SINGLE USE ORDINANCE WOULD PUT ACTION BEHIND THE ADOPTION OF THE DECLARATION AND WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THE CAP BECAUSE AS A PETROLEUM PRODUCT, PLASTIC HAS NEGATIVE IMPACTS AT EVERY STAGE FROM EXTRACTION, EXTRACTION, TRANSPORTATION, MANUFACTURING, ET CETERA.

THE DEGRADATION IT ALSO CAN TAKE CENTURIES, AND ALL OF THESE PROCESSES CONTRIBUTE TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND ARE HARMFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND HUMAN HEALTH.

IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING, I REMAIN POSITIVE AND HOPEFUL BECAUSE CHANGE IS TAKING PLACE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ARE ENACTING ORDINANCES.

VISTA RECENTLY PASSED AN ORDINANCE OCEANSIDE AND SAN MARCOS ARE MOVING FORWARD.

IN ADDITION, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH AND SYDNEY, THE SOLANA BEACH, ETC.

HAVE HAD ORDINANCES IN PLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

SO CARLSBAD CAN HELP STOP THESE HARMFUL EFFECTS AND JOIN THE POSITIVE WAVE OF CHANGE.

WE ARE ASKING YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TO ALSO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SINGLE USE PLASTIC POLICIES OUTLINED BY STAFF.

IN ADDITION, I URGE YOU TO DIRECT STAFF TO DRAFT A SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE IMMEDIATELY.

SKIP THE STUFF IS EASY TO IMPLEMENT AND CAN HAVE AN IMMEDIATE POSITIVE IMPACT BECAUSE ALL IT DOES IS REQUIRE THAT RESTAURANTS PROVIDE UTENSILS, STRAWS, STIRRERS, ETC.

ONLY WHEN REQUESTED.

AS I MENTIONED THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AS THE COUNCIL MEETING WAS TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO AND THE PROBLEM HAS ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.

PLEASE ADDRESS THIS CRISIS WITH THE URGENCY IT REQUIRES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, AND THANK YOU TO THE STAFF WHO HAVE DEVELOPED SUCH A COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT WITH A PLAN THAT REALLY WILL ADDRESS THE ISSUES.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SUZANNE HUME.

HELLO, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, HOPE EVERYBODY'S HAVING A GREAT DAY.

SO GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL AND CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS SUZANNE HUME AND I'M THE EDUCATIONAL DIRECTOR AND FOUNDER OF CLEANEARTH4KIDS .

ORG.

CLEANEARTH4KIDS.ORG ASKS YOU TO PLEASE FINALIZE THE SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE STAFF FOR THE HARD WORK ON THIS PLAN.

PLEASE ADD THE NEEDED STAFF TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND BRIDGE THE GAP TO AID THE REDUCTION OF PLASTIC POLLUTION AND WASTE POLLUTION HAS A COST, A COST THAT CAN BE CALCULATED.

WE MUST PROTECT OUR WATER, OUR AIR, OUR SOIL, OUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH AND FUTURE, OUR FOOD AND OUR ECONOMY WITH TOURISM.

SO PLEASE ADD A SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE.

A SINGLE USE PLASTIC ORDINANCE LIKE VISTA AND OTHER CITIES HAVE PASSED AND PLEASE PHASE OUT ALL POLYSTYRENE CONTAINERS JUST LIKE VISTA, ENCINITAS AND SOLANA BEACH AND OTHERS HAVE DONE AND FINALIZE THE SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.

WE NEED TO BAN THE DETRIMENTAL WASTE THAT HARMS ALL OF US.

I KNOW THERE WAS A CALL ASKING YOU TO WAIT.

WE CAN'T WAIT.

WE CANNOT.

WE OWE IT TO OUR KIDS.

WE OWE IT TO OUR BUSINESSES WHO ALL RELY ON BEAUTIFUL, CLEAN BEACHES, CLEAN WATER, CLEAN AIR THE SKIP STUFF ORDINANCE JUST MAKE SENSE.

WE DON'T NEED A DRAWER FULL OF PLASTIC, KETCHUP PACKETS, ETC.

THAT WE DON'T WANT.

SO SUPER IMPORTANT.

PLASTIC POLLUTION, MICROPLASTICS AND MARINE DEBRIS HARM OUR PUBLIC HEALTH, WATER QUALITY, MARINE MAMMALS, FISH, BIRDS AND WILDLIFE.

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PLASTIC CAN CONTAIN TOXIC CHEMICALS LIKE PHTHALATES THAT CAN CHANGE A MALE FROG TO A FEMALE FROG BECAUSE IT DISRUPTS THE ENDOCRINE SYSTEM.

PHTHALATES ALSO DAMAGE THE LIVER, KIDNEYS, LUNGS AND REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM.

SINGLE USE PLASTICS ARE USED ONCE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND THROWN AWAY, SO SKIP THE STUFF THAT'S SO EASY FOR SURE.

THE POLYSTYRENE WE DON'T WANT ALL OF THOSE LITTLE BITS OF TOXIC CHEMICALS GETTING HERE, THERE AND EVERYWHERE EATEN BY OUR, OUR MARINE MAMMALS, GETTING SICK, AND PLEASE FINALIZE THIS VERY IMPORTANT SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN.

WE DO HAVE TO BAN SOME DETRIMENTAL WASTE THAT IS HARMING ALL OF US.

SO PLEASE, I'M SURE YOU'LL TAKE A GREAT LOOK AT THAT.

WE DON'T WANT TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO OUR WATER, OUR KIDS AND THEIR FUTURE.

SO IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU AGAIN FROM CLEAN EARTH4 KIDS.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KEVIN LEE.

WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL AND CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS KEVIN LEE, I'M A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD.

I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE, RIGHT BY TAMARA BEACH.

I'M JUST CALLING IN TODAY BECAUSE I AM IN SUPPORT OF CARLSBAD, TAKING ACTION ON SINGLE USE PLASTICS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PROPOSAL FOR SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE THAT WILL REQUIRE SOME NEW STRAWS, UTENSILS AND ACCESSORY ITEMS ONLY UPON REQUEST.

AS WE KNOW, CARLSBAD IS A COASTAL CITY AND OUR BEACHES ARE OFTEN FILLED AND POLLUTED WITH PLASTICS AND SINGLE USE MATERIALS.

SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO TAKE ACTION NOW AND QUICKLY ELIMINATING THE EXPECTATION THAT BUSINESSES SHOULD BY DEFAULT PROVIDE SINGLE USE PLASTIC UTENSILS MEAN ALSO OUR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES CAN SAVE ON COSTS.

OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES AS THEY STRUGGLE TO RECOVER FROM THE PANDEMIC, IT MAKES ALL THE MORE SENSE ANYWAYS TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE THAT HELPS BUSINESSES SAVE ON COSTS.

AND I KNOW IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE TIME FOR OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO ADJUST INITIALLY, BUT TAKING ACTION ON SINGLE USE PLASTICS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND OVER TIME, BUSINESSES WILL BE ABLE TO ADJUST.

WE'VE SEEN THIS TIME AND AGAIN IN CITIES ALL OVER THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND BEYOND.

AND SO I HOPE CARLSBAD WILL PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION.

I THINK I'LL JUST PAUSE IT HERE FOR NOW, I WANT TO THANK CARLSBAD FOR BRINGING THE CONVERSATION FORWARD AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE PLASTIC POLLUTION PROBLEM HERE.

AND I HOPE YOU CONSIDER US ORDINANCE.

THANKS.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHAEL BRONNER.

WILL YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? HI THERE AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR HALL AND CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M MIKE BRONNER, THE PRESIDENT OF DR.

BRONNER'S, A FIFTH GENERATION FAMILY RUN BUSINESS BASED IN NORTH COUNTY, SAN DIEGO.

WE'RE IN VISTA, BUT DON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST US.

I PERSONALLY LIVE IN CARLSBAD WITH MY WIFE AND TWO KIDS, AND THEY GO TO CALAVERA HILLS ELEMENTARY.

WE'RE ALSO A CALIFORNIA BENEFIT CORPORATION WITH A GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED BRAND.

MANY OF DR. BRONNER'S 350 PLUS EMPLOYEES RESIDE HERE IN CARLSBAD AND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF NORTH COUNTY.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT AND VOICE MY SUPPORT OF CITY COUNCIL TAKING ACTION ON SINGLE USE PLASTICS AND REDUCING PLASTIC WASTE AND POLLUTION IN OUR COMMUNITY.

DR. BRONNER'S WOULD LIKE TO SEE POLICIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS THAT INCENTIVIZE AND SUPPORT BUSINESSES MOVING AWAY FROM SINGLE USE PLASTICS, PROMOTE REUSE OPTIONS FOR PACKAGING AND EXPAND RECYCLING AND COMPOSTING SYSTEMS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND THE U.S.. WE HOPE THAT CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL WILL HELP REGULATE THE STREAMS OF SINGLE USE PLASTICS DEGRADING OUR ECOSYSTEMS AND OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.

TAKING ACTION ON SINGLE USE PLASTICS IS ALSO IN COMPLETE ALIGNMENT WITH DEALING WITH THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY WE ARE NOW FACING.

BY THE WAY, WE HOPE YOU WILL ALL OFFICIALLY VOTE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO DECLARE A CLIMATE EMERGENCY IN THE NEXT AGENDA TERM, WHICH KEVIN LEE JUST SPOKE ON.

DR. BRONNER'S IS ONE OF THE LARGEST CONSUMER PRODUCTS MANUFACTURING BUSINESS, CONSUMER PRODUCTS, MANUFACTURING BUSINESSES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY, AND WE CURRENTLY USE MASSIVE QUANTITIES OF PLASTIC PACKAGING TO DISTRIBUTE OUR PRODUCTS TO CONSUMERS AROUND THE WORLD.

OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO ADDRESS OUR PLASTIC USE, INCLUDING SOURCING 100 PERCENT POST-CONSUMER RECYCLED PED PLASTIC FOR MOST OF OUR BOTTLES AND SETTING BUSINESS GOALS LIKE SENDING ZERO WASTE TO LANDFILL AND EXPANDING REFILL OPTIONS FOR OUR PRODUCTS.

BUT OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR EMPLOYEES CONSTANTLY REQUEST THAT WE DO MORE.

UNFORTUNATELY, SOLVING THE MANY PROBLEMS RELATED TO SINGLE USE PLASTIC IS TOO COMPLEX FOR US TO TACKLE ALONE, SO WE MUST WORK TOGETHER.

WE COMMIT TO WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL MAYOR HALL AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT ACTION ON SINGLE USE PLASTICS.

HOWEVER, WE CAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND EFFORT ON THIS IMPORTANT

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ISSUE.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GRETCHEN GEARY.

HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? THAT'S GREAT.

GOOD.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL AND MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS GRETCHEN GEARY, NORTH COUNTY RESIDENT AND MOTHER OF FOUR CHILDREN.

MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL IN CARLSBAD AND I OFTEN TAKE THEM TO CLEAN BEACHES TO TEACH THEM ABOUT STEWARDSHIP AND LEADERSHIP IN A CHANGING WORLD.

WE LEAD BY EXAMPLE IN OUR SIMPLE ACTS OF ACTIVISM, BUT REALLY NEED YOUR LEADERSHIP TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THE CHANGE.

WE NEED TO CURB THE USE AND UNNECESSARY WASTE OF SINGLE USE PLASTICS THAT CAN ESSENTIALLY LAST MILLENNIA IN OUR LANDFILLS AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS.

AWARENESS IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS CHANGE AND WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP AND SUPPORT OF THE SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS PLAN, AS WELL AS A LOCAL SINGLE USE PLASTICS AND SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE, WE CAN HELP BUSINESSES AND THEIR CUSTOMERS OPEN THEIR EYES TO THE UNNECESSARY WASTE THAT WE CREATE EVERY DAY.

MOST OF WHICH PEOPLE DON'T EVEN THINK TWICE ABOUT.

I BEG THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS AND VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE ORDINANCES AND SET A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER ENDS WITH -9992.

WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS VANESSA FORSYTHE, AND I RESIDE WITH MY HUSBAND AND GRANDKIDS AND DAUGHTER HERE AT 2177 VISTA, LA NISA.

WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 20 YEARS.

PRIOR TO MY GRANDKIDS BEING HERE, WE RAISED OUR OWN KIDS.

AND THANK YOU TO THE CITY STAFF FOR BRINGING FORWARD THE PLAN, THE SUSTAINABLE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP GOING FORWARD WITH THAT AND HAVE THE NECESSARY STAFF AND INVOLVE THE STAKEHOLDERS SPECIFICALLY.

I ALSO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE USE OF SINGLE USE PLASTIC WEAR BUSINESSES JUST HANDING IT OUT AUTOMATICALLY.

I MEAN, EVERY TIME I WALK INTO STARBUCKS, I HAVE TO SAY, NO, I DON'T WANT ANY PLASTIC WHERE IT'S ALREADY IN THE BAG.

SO I THINK THAT WITH NOT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDING WHAT SUSTAINABILITY REALLY MEANS IN TERMS OF DOING BETTER IN OUR ENVIRONMENT, WE CAN INVOLVE STAKEHOLDERS AND BUSINESSES TO HAVE A SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE.

I'VE BEEN ALSO FOLLOWING WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING IN NORTH COUNTY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED IN SOLANA BEACH AND ENCINITAS AND MOST RECENTLY, VISTA.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE AND ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PASS A RESOLUTION TO INDICATE TO THE CITY STAFF THAT THEY WANT THEM TO COME BACK WITH TO COME BACK BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL INVOLVE EDUCATION AND WORKING WITH BUSINESSES AND ALSO AS A STAKEHOLDER INVOLVED THE SCHOOL SITES.

SO, YES, THANK YOU FOR MY TIME AND FOR YOUR TIME AND REALLY THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.

MY GRANDKIDS THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THEY'VE WRITTEN TO YOU TO INDICATE IT ALSO.

AND I ALSO AM IN SUPPORT OF THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, AS A COMMUNITY, SAY WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND KEEP OUR PUBLIC INFORMED.

THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OK.

QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

UM, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS, AND I KNOW THAT THIS THIS PROCESS STARTED A LONG TIME AGO, NOT JUST FROM THE REPORT THAT THE STAFF GAVE, BUT ALSO FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CALLING IN AND ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS A LONG TIME AGO.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND EMAILS THAT WE RECEIVED WERE ABOUT SKIP THE STUFF AND I JUST WANTED TO TO SEE HOW THAT FIT IN WITH THE THE RECOMMENDED POLICY OPTIONS HERE.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S MR. WOOD WOULD RESPOND TO THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER AND IF THEY OVERLAY EACH OTHER OR IF IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL ON, JAMIE, IF YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT, SIR.

LOOKS LIKE HE'S FROZEN.

I THOUGHT HE WAS JUST SMILING AT ME

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HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, HE'S REJOINING US.

COUNCIL MEMBER TO THAT POINT, THOUGH, I DID THINK IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, OH, HERE IT COMES.

IT WAS LIKE ALMOST LIKE A PLEASANT SMIRK.

OK, HE'S TRYING TO LOG ON RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW THE FEELING I'VE BEEN THERE.

SIR, SINCE WE SEEM TO BE HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING JAMIE BACK ON, I WILL KICK OFF THE THE ANSWER TO COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA'S QUESTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

YOU WERE TRYING TO ASK STAFF WITH REGARD TO THE SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE, AS WAS REFERRED TO BY THE CALLERS ON THE STIRRERS AND THE SINGLE USE PLASTICS, ET CETERA, AS COMPARED TO WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED IN THE END OF STAFF REPORT.

AND WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR IS WITH REGARD TO DIRECTION ON WHAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE.

THERE ARE A MENU OF OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED, INCLUDING FOR THE SINGLE USE PLASTICS, AS WELL AS STYROFOAM OR THE POLYSTYRENE AND AND ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, SO THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

WE ARE SEEKING POLICY DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL ON THE BREADTH OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE.

WE HAD ALSO INCLUDED THINGS LIKE MATTRESSES AND CARPET AND TEXTILES THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE PURSUED AS WELL.

AND WE DO HAVE MR. HILTON WITH HF&H WHO IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR WITH OTHER CITIES.

AND IF SO, IF YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS MORE OF THE SPECIFICS, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK MR. HILTON TO TO CHIME IN.

GREAT.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I WAS WONDERING HOW THOSE COULD WORK TOGETHER, RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT THIS GREAT MENU OF OPTIONS, AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU MENTIONED THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, SKIP THIS STUFF IS A MOVEMENT THAT IS ASKING RESTAURANTS TO NOT JUST UTENSILS.

SO EVEN IF THEY WERE WOODEN OR SOME OTHER CORNSTARCH OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WEREN'T PLASTIC, THAT THEY WOULDN'T JUST BE GIVEN, THEY WOULDN'T JUST GIVE UTENSILS OR STIRRERS OR STRAWS, BUT SKIP THE STUFF IS THEY'RE ONLY GIVEN UPON REQUEST.

RIGHT.

SO THEY COULD WORK TOGETHER, EVEN IF THERE WERE SUCH A THING AS A SINGLE USE PLASTIC BAN AND A SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

OK, GREAT.

I JUST WANTED TO WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I I DIDN'T SEE SKIP THE STUFF IN

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THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I DID SEE THESE OTHER THESE OTHER ITEMS HERE.

AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT YOU JUST SAID THAT THESE ARE A MENU OF OPTIONS AND WE COULD PICK FROM AMONG THESE A LA CARTE STYLE SO THAT WE COULD PICK SOMETHING LIKE A SINGLE USE PLASTIC BIN AND ASK FOLKS TO COME BACK TO US AS STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PROPOSAL AND MAYBE PUT IN SOME OF THOSE THINGS LIKE SKIP THE STUFF AND ADD A TIMELINE WHERE WE COULD MAYBE PHASE IT IN AND WORK WITH RESIDENTS, WORK WITH BUSINESSES AND THEN COME BACK TO US SO THAT WE COULD WE COULD SIGN OFF ON THAT PLAN.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.

OK, SO A LA CARTE MENU.

SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN WORK TOGETHER.

WE CAN PICK FROM AMONG THEM.

AND AND I ALSO HEARD MENTION AND I'VE READ IN THE NEWS THAT SOME OF OUR LOCAL NEIGHBORS, LIKE VISTA AND OCEANSIDE, RECENTLY ADOPTED VERY SIMILAR PROVISIONS.

OH, THERE'S MR. WOOD, I SEE HIS VIDEO AGAIN, SO I JUST WANTED TO CHECK AND SEE IF WE COULD GET ANY KIND OF UPDATE ON THE MOST RECENT NEIGHBOR MOVEMENTS.

VISTA OCEANSIDE, I DON'T KNOW SAN MARCOS.

I THINK ENCINITAS HAS HAD SOME SOME POLICIES IN PLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, BUT OUR LOCAL NEIGHBORS AROUND US, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING .

THERE AND I DO APOLOGIZE APPARENTLY, WE LOST POWER.

SO I'M I'M NOW USING A FLASHLIGHT AND A BATTERY.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS WORKING AND YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING SO SORRY FOR THAT.

AND YES, AND I KNOW ROB AND AND NICOLE HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH AROUND WITH THE LOCALS.

SO IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK TO WHAT OCEANSIDE AND VISTA HAVE RECENTLY DONE.

SURE.

SO ACTUALLY, JUST IN AUGUST, OCEANSIDE PASSED WHAT IS STARTING AS A VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE PROGRAM.

SO IT'S A PHASED APPROACH FOR SINGLE USE PLASTICS RELATED TO FOOD SERVICE.

AND THEN CITY OF VISTA HAS A TWO TWO COMPONENTS TO THEIR PHASE AND THAT THEY JUST PASSED THIS SUMMER.

SO THE FIRST PART IS SIMILAR TO THE SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE DESCRIBED.

AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO DOING A COMPLETE BAN OF POLYSTYRENE, ALSO KNOWN AS STYROFOAM, STARTING IN 2023.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

I WASN'T SURE IF ANYBODY ELSE WAS GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THE POLYSTYRENE YET, BUT I WAS WONDERING, THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THAT MUSKEGON'S, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF THOSE WERE PART OF THE SAME ORDINANCE AS A PACKAGE DEAL.

SO THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.

I DID SEE DR. BHAT-PATEL HAND WAS UP AS WELL, SO I DON'T WANT TO TALK TOO LONG.

THANK YOU.

DR.

BHAT-PATEL.

SURE, THANK YOU.

YEAH, AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL, I THINK IT WAS DURING THAT THAT FIRST FEW MONTHS THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS.

SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMING FORWARD AND JUST HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT AND SEE WHAT THE PATHWAY IS FOR ALL OF US.

AND I KNOW RIGHT BEFORE COVID HIT LAST YEAR, I WAS TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND WITH DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS TO REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PATHWAY FORWARD WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND SO WE HAD HAD A GREAT EVENT AT LEGOLAND, WHO'S ACTUALLY A VERY SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS AND PARTNER AND ACTUALLY A LEADER IN THAT PARTICULAR REGION.

AND SO IT WAS REALLY, REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THAT.

SO ANYWAYS, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL SAVE MY OTHER COMMENTS FOR LATER.

BUT I DID ACTUALLY SIMILARLY ALSO HAVE THAT QUESTION AROUND IS IT POSSIBLE? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS TO INCLUDE THE SKIP, SKIP THE STUFF AS AN OPTION AND THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS LIKE A POTENTIAL FOR THAT BEING PART OF THE PHASED APPROACH, IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH A PHASED APPROACH, I'M SEEING THE NODDING OF HEADS.

SO OK, YES.

AND THEN OK.

OK, GREAT.

AND THEN I GUESS ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO ASK.

I KNOW THAT THERE THERE ARE QUESTIONS AROUND, OBVIOUSLY, AND EVEN MYSELF, WHEN I WAS READING THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE.

AND OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, ESPECIALLY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MOST RECENT ACTION BEING TAKEN BY OCEANSIDE AND VISTA, WHO RECENTLY ADOPTED THE DIFFERENT PHASED APPROACHES.

I WAS CURIOUS TO HEAR ABOUT THE THE FTE, AND IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT SO THAT FOLKS ARE AWARE AS TO WHY THAT WOULD BE NEEDED AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE OF A PHASED APPROACH.

SO CURRENTLY, THE SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IS A IS A

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STAFF OF TWO AND THAT IS MAINTAINING ALL OF THE CURRENT PROGRAMS AND TRYING TO PREPARE FOR SB 1383.

SO THAT WAS THE REASON THAT YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING JUST TO COMPLY WITH 1383 AND THEN ANYTHING ABOVE THAT WITH ANY NEW OPTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT PICK FROM OR DIRECTION YOU GIVE FOR FOR THE POLICY WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED.

IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT PROVIDING THE FTE BECAUSE THEY ARE SORT OF LOOKED AT BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT AS A AS A MENU OF OPTIONS.

SO IF YOU PICK MULTIPLE THINGS OR YOU COULD COMPARE, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU CHOSE SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIFIC TO RESTAURANTS, WHO ARE ALREADY BE WORKING WITH RESTAURANTS ON SB 1383 ORGANICS.

SO THERE IS SOME SYNERGY WITH THOSE THOSE POSITIONS.

SO THAT WAS PARTLY THE REASONING OF YOU GIVE US DIRECTION.

WE CAN GO BACK AND COME UP WITH THAT PLAN AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED.

AND I KNOW NICOLE CAN SPEAK TO LIKE OCEANSIDE, FOR INSTANCE, BUT THEY HAVE INCLUDED NEW STAFF THERE NOT JUST SPECIFIC TO DO OUTREACH OR EDUCATION OR ENFORCEMENT RELATED TO THIS NEW ORDINANCE THAT THEY ADOPTED, BUT PARTIALLY FOR THAT.

SO THEY'RE ALSO HELPING WITH 1383 AND WORKING WITH THIS.

SO THERE ARE SYNERGIES DEPENDING ON WHICH BANDS OR POLICY YOU YOU WOULD DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MIGHT WORK WITH STAFF THAT WE WOULD HAVE WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS WE WENT.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO BRING A FINAL PLAN AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED AND NOT KNOW EXACTLY THE DIRECTION YOU WANTED TO GO.

OH, OK, THANK YOU.

AND BEAR WITH ME, EVERYONE, I HAVE A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN OF THE VARIOUS POLICY OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, IT SEEMS THAT MOST POTENTIAL TO AFFECT GHG WOULD BE THE BANS ON PLASTICS IN THE VARIOUS FORMS. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES.

NICOLE, YOU WANT TO.

BUT THAT'S RIGHT, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT FOR SOME, FOR SOME OF THE DISPOSAL BANS, WE WERE USING THE EPA'S ESTIMATES FOR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND WITH.

TEXTILES, MATTRESSES AND CARPET.

THOSE ESTIMATES FOR THOSE SPECIFIC MATERIALS WEREN'T AVAILABLE AND WOULD ALSO REALLY GREATLY DEPEND ON TO WHAT EXTENT YOU REGULATED THOSE SO READILY RECYCLABLE MATTRESSES, FOAM MATTRESSES VERSUS BOX SPRINGS.

THERE WERE A LOT OF VARIABLES THERE OF THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AVAILABLE TO SINGLE USE PLASTIC HAD THE GREATEST IMPACT.

OK, THANK YOU.

AND THEN YOU DID ANSWER ALREADY THE POLICY OPTIONS CONSIDERED IN OTHER CITIES, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THEN FOR THE FOR POLICY ONE.

IS IT POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF A PHASED APPROACH, WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD AND IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO BASED ON THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED I KNOW THAT A PHASED MANNER TO ME SOUNDS LIKE MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE FOLKS AND ENSURE THAT THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS HAPPENING AND JUST MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ALL OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM TO HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT ON THEIR DAILY OPERATIONS.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IN TERMS OF A TIMELINE, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, THAT'S TOTALLY OK, BUT JUST WANTED TO ASK WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A PHASED MANNER, LIKE HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE TALKING? IS IT A COUPLE OF YEARS? IT'S A THREE YEARS LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I THINK TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE OUT WORKING WITH RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES WITH THE NEW NEW ORGANICS, SO IT'S WE ALREADY WANT TO BE STARTING TO EDUCATE AND STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF THINGS IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THREE OR FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I DON'T KNOW THAT WORK YOU'RE DOING NOW WOULD THEN.

STILL BE APPROPRIATE AT THAT POINT, OR THEY WOULD REMEMBER OR THE SAME EMPLOYEES WOULD EVEN BE THERE.

SO I DO THINK THERE'S A TIME LIMIT THAT THE EDUCATION YOU DO AND HOW LONG THAT HOW LONG THAT LASTS.

SO IT REALLY WOULD BE THAT DIRECTION OF COUNCIL AND HOW QUICKLY YOU WOULD WANT TO ADOPT SOMETHING AND PUSH SOMETHING FORWARD WITH THAT.

BUT I THINK MOST ARE.

I MEAN, OCEANSIDE, SORRY VISTA, AS I BELIEVE, WAS 2023-24.

SO LOOKING AT ABOUT TWO YEARS IS A TYPICAL, I BELIEVE.

AND NICOLE, I THINK YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT.

YEAH, ONE TO TWO YEARS IS A TYPICAL PHASING CYCLE, AND IT'S IMPORTANT BOTH FOR THE EDUCATION REASON THAT YOU IDENTIFIED, BUT ALSO FOR THE STAFF IMPACT REASON THAT YOU IDENTIFIED IN YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT.

IF YOU SPREAD THIS OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, IT RESULTS IN LESS SORT OF URGENCY AROUND THAT FOR STAFF, AND THEY CAN METER IT OUT AND WORK WITH THOSE BUSINESSES IN THAT SORT OF PHASED MANNER AND SORT OF SPREAD THE WORK OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS RATHER THAN

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HAVING IT DENSE.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS, A LOT OF IT WOULD BE EDUCATION AS WELL.

SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DURING BRIEFINGS AND YOU ALL HAVE ALLUDED TO THAT JUST IN YOUR COMMENTS JUST NOW.

SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER BIG COMPONENT OF THIS IS THE EDUCATION ASPECT, RIGHT? SO I THINK I DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL HIGHLIGHTING THAT, AND I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY THOUGHTS FOR COMMENTS LATER.

THANKS.

OK PEDER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MS. BLACKBURN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, JUST COMMENTS.

OK, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I I SPENT THE BETTER PART OF THREE HOURS GOING THROUGH THE BOOK AND TRIED TO READ IT AS MANY AS THREE TIMES.

AND THE MORE I READ THIS, THE MORE COMPLICATED IT SEEMED TO BECOME TO ME.

AND I WAS JUST STARTING WITH THE SURVEY.

HOW MANY BUSINESSES ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY? I BELIEVE WE HAD 55 THAT ACTUALLY RESPONDED.

AND HOW MANY BUSINESSES DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD? THOUSANDS.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT YES, IN THE THOUSANDS.

EIGHT THOUSAND, TEN THOUSAND? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S THAT MANY, BUT.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 600 OR SO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS IN THE GARBAGE SYSTEM THAT SUBSCRIBE TO GARBAGE SERVICE, SO THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU A PRETTY CLOSE APPROXIMATION.

OK.

AND AGAIN, I GUESS IT'S HOW DEEP WE GO INTO THIS.

SO HOW MANY RESTAURANTS DO WE HAVE? WE ARE ACTUALLY CALCULATING THAT NOW I THINK WE'RE IN THE THREE HUNDRED OR SO OF THE RESTAURANT, BUT THERE'S VARYING AMOUNT OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT VERSUS A STARBUCKS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

IT VARIES, BUT WE'RE PROBABLY IN THAT RANGE.

AND HOW MANY RESTAURANTS RESPONDED TO YOUR SURVEY? I BELIEVE THERE WERE THREE, IF THAT CORRECTLY CALLED THREE THAT IDENTIFIED AS A RESTAURANT.

THIS WAS A SELF-IDENTIFICATION.

DID WE REACH OUT TO THE CHAMBER? WE DID NOT.

DID WE REACH OUT TO THE VILLAGE MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION? WE DID.

WE DID NOT NO.

DID WE REACH OUT TO THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION? NO, SIR.

OK.

AND THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE YOUR OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND RIGHT, WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND ALSO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO TO GET THIS DONE IN A POSITIVE MANNER.

SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WHEN I READ THIS AND I STARTED SEEING THE DETAIL IN IT, AT FIRST IT SOUNDED SO SIMPLISTIC.

AND THEN THE DEEPER I GOT INTO IT, I KEPT THINKING, WOW, THIS IS A COST.

THIS IS A COST.

SO I GUESS MY NEXT ANSWER, JUST LISTENING TO THIS MR. CHADWICK FROM A ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, HOW MUCH HOW MUCH RESOURCES DO WE HAVE TO PUT INTO THIS TO KIND REACH OUT TO WHAT THEY JUST SAID? HOW MANY? SOME, LIKE A THOUSAND PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TOUCH IN THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET THOSE RESOURCES? AND MR., MAYOR FROM AN OUTREACH OR COMMUNICATIONS PERSPECTIVE, THIS CURRENTLY OR ADDITIONAL OUTREACH IS NOT YET BUDGETED, BUT IN THE EVENT THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO DO AN ADDITIONAL OUTREACH EFFORT, WE CERTAINLY CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN THEN AND I'LL PRESENT THAT FOR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

SO THIS PAST YEAR, IT SEEMS TO ME WE TOOK $5.7 MILLION OUT OF RESERVES IN ORDER TO MEET OUR BUDGET.

SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS, HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND THE ECONOMICS OF HOW YOU SEEN THIS PLAY OUT.

IT'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL BUDGET REQUEST OF CITY COUNCIL MAYOR.

OK, SO ARE WE GOING TO DEDUCT PAYPAL TO ADD PAYPAL OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? NOW IT BECOMES AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST BASED OFF OF WHAT THE CITY CAN AFFORD.

WE WOULD END UP AGAIN COMING FORWARD.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING TO YOU THAT ULTIMATELY THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD.

THAT SAID, THOUGH, AS WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, PARTICULARLY IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GOAL SETTING, IF EVERYTHING IS A PRIORITY, THEN NOTHING.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S INCUMBENT ON CITY TO IDENTIFY THE PRIORITIES.

WE WILL HAVE PART TWO OF OUR GOAL SETTING SORRY STRATEGIC PLANNING EFFORTS, AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING TO FALL.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

THAT SAID, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ONE OF COUNCIL'S GOALS STATED THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE BUDGETARY CONSIDERATION, BUT IT WAS A STATED GOAL OF COUNCIL IS PROMOTE

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SUSTAINABILITY AND NATURAL RESOURCES THAT IS ON OUR SHORT LIST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING EFFORTS IN THE FALL.

OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES? OK.

WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? QUESTION.

I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE YOUR HAND GOES UP SO QUICK, BUT WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED, IT DOESN'T POP UP.

DON'T WORRY THE VIRTUAL BACKGROUNDS DON'T HELP.

SO YEAH, JUST REALLY QUICKLY JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT QUESTION.

SO I KNOW THAT THAT FOR THIS 1383 THAT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT, WHICH IS A MANDATORY STATE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO FULFILL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE FOLKS FOR THAT.

IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

OK.

AND THAT IS AGAIN TO FULFILL A MANDATORY STATE REQUIREMENT.

CORRECT.

OK.

AND THEN WITH THAT STUFF THAT WE HAVE AFTER THEY HAVE GONE INTO DOING SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND GETTING FOLKS UP TO SPEED FOR SB 1383, IF WE ARE MOVING INTO, LET'S JUST SAY, A PHASED APPROACH, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO OR WOULD THEIR JOB DUTIES, BE ALLOWED TO WORK ON SOME OF THE WORK THAT WOULD BE PART OF MAYBE THAT PHASED APPROACH AS WE START TO THINK ABOUT MAYBE ADDING ON MORE AT A LATER TIME, THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL FOR SOME OF THAT OVERLAP.

ONE COMPONENT OF SB 1383 IS A MONITORING AND AN ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE NEVER DONE WHERE WE ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND CHECKING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE SEPARATING RECYCLING AND ORGANICS FROM WHAT GOES TO THE LANDFILL.

SO THAT WILL BE A NEW PROGRAM.

THERE'S ALSO THE EDIBLE FOOD PROGRAM, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

SO.

SO YES, THAT WOULD BE LIKELY BE, YOU KNOW, A A CONTINUOUS PROGRAM THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING, BUT THERE WOULD BE SOME ABILITY TO DO THAT.

IT WOULD REALLY JUST DEPEND ON THE ONCE YOU GET TO THE PHASED PART WITH THE EDUCATION AND ONCE YOU GET INTO, THEN HOW DO YOU DO ENFORCEMENT CONTINUED EDUCATION.

THERE WOULD BE.

I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO IT FULLY WITH THE SB 1383 ASK.

THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME SYNERGIES THAT WOULD HELP TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU AND THE STAFF REPORT.

OK.

YEAH, THE REASON WHY I ASKED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE WANTED TO CONSIDER SOME OF THIS, AND WE WERE THINKING OF IT MORE IN A WAY WHERE WE COULD DO IT SO THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE OBVIOUSLY ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING SO IN A WAY THAT IS MEASURABLE, DOING IT IN A WAY THAT OBVIOUSLY IS REALLY ADDRESSING IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR COMMUNITY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR ENVIRONMENT.

AND SO I THINK JUST THINKING OF THAT AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN A MEASURED WAY WAS THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PHASED APPROACH, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OF POTENTIALLY IF WE HAVE TO ADD MORE FOLKS AT A LATER TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAVE TO.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN AROUND, OH MY GOSH, IT'S EIGHT PEOPLE ALL AT ONCE.

BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT PIECE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

YES.

THANK YOU.

AND MR. MAYOR, SIR, IF I MAY, WITH REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION ON THE OUTREACH TO THE CHAMBER [INAUDIBLE] MR. GRAHAM HAS SOME INFORMATION THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WHEN AFTER DOING A NUMBER OF WEBINARS, ET CETERA, WE DID ENGAGE WITH ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT.

BOTH THE CHAMBER WAS CONTACTED AND THEY SENT OUT THE SURVEY.

THE CVA WAS CONTACTED.

THEY ALSO SENT OUT THE SURVEY AND THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION TO EVERY BUSINESS WITH A BUSINESS LICENSE IN CARLSBAD ENCOURAGING THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY.

SO IT DID GO OUT TO AND THEY WERE NOTIFIED.

OF COURSE, RESPONSE RATES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT AND ADDITIONAL ENGAGEMENT MAY BE NECESSARY.

BUT AS FAR AS OUR BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS GO AND EVERY BUSINESS, THERE WAS A COMMUNICATION THAT OCCURRED TO THAT.

SO THAT WAS THE SAME SURVEY THAT WE WERE PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OK.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MS. ACOSTA, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YES, THANK YOU.

I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD MOVED ON TO COMMENTS FROM QUESTIONS, SO I'M READY TO START WITH SOME COMMENTS.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I WAS LISTENING VERY CAREFULLY TODAY TO THE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OF

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COURSE, TO THE EMAILS AND AND EVEN JUST THINKING BACK ON THE TIME THAT I WAS ENGAGING WITH MY RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT FOUR AS I WAS EARNING THEIR VOTE TO GET HERE AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY JUST KEPT COMING UP.

AND IT'S SUCH AN INGRAINED VALUE IN ME AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS SOLAR, WHO DRIVES ELECTRIC, WHO COMPOST AND HAS MY LITTLE ORGANIC VEGGIE GARDEN.

I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE.

I WENT THROUGH THE CLIMATE REALITY PROJECT TRAINING.

IT WAS A VIRTUAL TRAINING EARLIER THIS YEAR, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

IT WAS INCREDIBLE AND SCARY, REALLY, JUST LEARNING ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE WE NEED TO DO, AND WE CAN'T LEAVE IT TO OTHERS TO FIGURE OUT.

I READ THROUGH THE PACKET, THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION ON THINGS THAT THE STATE HAS PROPOSED DOING, NOT JUST SB 1383, WHICH IS LAW.

AND WE'RE IMPLEMENTING NOW AND WE'RE GETTING UP TO SPEED AND WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO HIRE FOUR POINT TWO FIVE FTES FOR IT TO HELP.

JAMIE MR. WOOD ONLY HAS TWO PEOPLE IN HIS DEPARTMENT, BUT BUT SO MUCH MORE RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT POTENTIAL BALLOT MEASURES AND OTHER THINGS COMING COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

THAT SAID, THERE ARE MANY CITIES IN CALIFORNIA, AND I KNOW THIS THROUGH MY WORK WITH THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES AND WITH OTHER CITIES THROUGH THROUGH MY PROFESSIONAL WORK THAT ARE WAY MORE UP TO DATE ON THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT.

AND WE KNOW IT'S A VALUE FOR CARLSBADIANS RIGHT? YOU LOOK AT THE CARLSBAD COMMUNITY VISION.

WE LOOKED AT IT AS A BODY WHEN WE DID OUR GOAL SETTING.

AND YOU SEE SUSTAINABILITY IS A CATEGORY OF ITS OWN AMONG THE VALUES THAT CARLSBAD IDENTIFIED AS WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THEIR CITY AND WHY THEY LOVE IT, RIGHT.

WE LOVE CARLSBAD BECAUSE WE VALUE SUSTAINABILITY.

IT'S ITS OWN VALUE, JUST ONE WORD, BUT THERE ARE OTHER VALUES HERE THAT RELATE TO IT, RIGHT? SO OPEN SPACE IN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, SEPARATE FROM SUSTAINABILITY AND YET RELATES TO IT BECAUSE WE SEE OUR COMMUNITY AS A HEALTHY GREEN PLACE, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ABOUT ACCESS TO RECREATION AND ACTIVE, HEALTHY LIFESTYLES.

WE LOVE OUR TRAILS AND OUR OPEN SPACES AND OUR PARKS, AND WE LOVE OUR CLEAN BEACHES.

WHENEVER THERE'S A SURF RIDER BEACH CLEANUP, YOU SEE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE COME OUT.

I COME OUT, I HAVE BEEN GOING WITH MY DAUGHTER TO THOSE FOR 12 YEARS.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HERE IN CARLSBAD REALLY CARE ABOUT A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT AND WANT TO DO MORE AND ARE LOOKING TO US TO DO MORE.

THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS I WROTE DOWN LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND SHOW OUR CHILDREN STOP UNNECESSARY WASTE.

SUSTAINABILITY INVOLVES DOING BETTER.

SO I WROTE DOWN THESE NOTES AND I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THE MIX OF PEOPLE, GRANDPARENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND ACTIVISTS CALL IN AND EXPRESS THEIR THEIR PASSION FOR A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT AND DOING MORE AND LOOKING TO US AS LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO REPRESENT RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS HERE AND LOCAL BUSINESSES.

I'M A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER TOO AND AND LOOKING TO US FOR THAT LEADERSHIP OF REALLY SETTING THE TONE.

AT THE SAME TIME, WITH MY BUSINESS HAT ON MY FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, HAT ON.

I'M THINKING, HOW CAN WE FACE THIS AND HOW CAN WE BRING PEOPLE ALONG? SO I'M A BIG FAN OF LOOKING AT WHAT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF PHASING, AND I'M VERY MINDFUL OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST HAD BETWEEN DR.

BHAT-PATEL AND MAYOR HALL AND SOME OF THE STAFF ABOUT THE FTES.

AND I JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE RIGHT NOW WHO ARE WE'RE BEARING THIS THIS WORK SPECIFICALLY AND SB 1383.

THAT LEGISLATION WILL REQUIRE US TO HAVE FOUR POINT TWO FIVE ADDITIONAL.

AND IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT RECOMMENDED POLICY OPTION ONE WITH THE THE VARIOUS PLASTICS, THE MATERIAL BAN ON SINGLE USE PLASTIC AND THE STYROFOAM BAN BAN, THE MATERIAL BANDS THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT TWO FTES.

I THINK IT'S MANAGEABLE.

I THINK IT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT US TO DO AS LEADERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'S I THINK WE'RE ALREADY FALLING BEHIND A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU SEE VISTA AND OCEANSIDE DOING MORE AND BETTER THAN CARLSBAD.

I'M STARTING TO THINK, WAIT A SECOND, WE NEED TO JUMP ON THIS AND DO IT QUICK TOO, BECAUSE WE ARE LEADERS IN SUSTAINABILITY, AREN'T WE? AND IT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD US IN THE CARLSBAD COMMUNITY VISION THAT THEY LAID OUT VERY CLEARLY.

THIS IS WHY WE LOVE CARLSBAD AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE FROM OUR LEADERSHIP.

SO I'M A BIG FAN OF ALL THE MATERIALS PLAN.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO.

WE NEED TO DEVELOP A PLAN.

RIGHT AWAY, WE NEED TO ASK OUR STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN WITH KIND OF A PHASED IN APPROACH.

I APPRECIATED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THAT TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE ONE OR TWO YEARS.

IT LOOKS LIKE NO LONGER THAN THAT.

SO I WOULD COMPROMISE AT 18 MONTHS, ONE AND A HALF YEARS TO PHASE THIS IN TO DO A TON

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OF EDUCATION, REALLY TALK TO PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THE SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE, IF WE ADD IN THAT PART OF IT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, DON'T JUST OFFER, DON'T JUST GIVE.

IT HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME.

I'LL GO GET TAKEOUT AND I WILL CHECK THE BAG TO MAKE SURE THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME UTENSILS BECAUSE I DIDN'T REQUEST THEM.

THEN I WILL GIVE THEM BACK AND SAY, I DON'T NEED THESE.

IT'S JUST TAKEOUT.

I'M TAKING IT HOME.

I HAVE SILVERWARE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE JUST AREN'T USED TO THROW PLASTICWARE IN THERE AND I HAVE TONS OF PLASTICWARE AND KETCHUP AND SOY SAUCE, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT THAT.

SO IT'S JUST ABOUT EDUCATING AND HAVING THAT CULTURAL SHIFT, JUST AS WE'RE DOING WITH THE ORGANICS WASTE RECYCLING THROUGH SB 1383.

IT'S A CULTURAL SHIFT.

IT'S REALLY TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT NOT GIVING THINGS THAT YOU DON'T NEED AND NOT DISPOSING OF THINGS, NOT CREATING MORE WASTE FROM YOUR HOUSEHOLD OR YOUR BUSINESS.

SO I'M A BIG FAN OF THOSE.

I THINK WITH SOME OF THE OTHER MATERIALS DISPOSAL, THE CONSTRUCTION STUFF, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN IT.

BUT IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A PRIORITY RIGHT NOW FOR ME, AND I WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THOSE ONES LATER.

SO I SUPPORT ALL THE MATERIALS BANS AND RECOMMENDED POLICY OPTION ONE.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE FOLLOWING ALONG IN THE AGENDA PACKET, GOSH, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 190 RECOMMENDED POLICY 196 OF THE AGENDA PACKET IS WHERE THAT THAT PART BEGINS.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

FOR NOW, I'M VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF MAKING THIS BOLD STEP TO BAN PLASTICS AND STYROFOAM IN CARLSBAD IN A PHASED APPROACH THAT WE CAN BRING PEOPLE ALONG WITH US.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOO SHOCKING AND IT'S GOING TO BE TOO SHOCKING ANYWAY, BECAUSE OTHER COMMUNITIES ALL AROUND US ARE DOING IT ALREADY.

PEDER DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? NO, YOU'RE OK.

I THOUGHT I SAW YOU WAVE YOUR HAND, DR.

BHAT-PATEL.

YOU DID HAVE YOUR HAND UP.

YOU'RE ON MUTE, PEDER.

YOU'RE ON MUTE, PEDER.

MAYOR, SORRY ABOUT THAT, I DID HAVE MY HAND UP, BUT I SAID THAT IT'S YOUR CALL.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO [INAUDIBLE]? GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD, PEDER.

OKAY, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO I'M GOING TO TRY, AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE SPEAKERS.

AND IT WAS A VERY DETAILED STAFF REPORT, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TRY AND ORGANIZE MY COMMENTS HERE A LITTLE BIT.

I HEARD AWARENESS IS KEY.

ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, AND FOR ME, I JUST WANT TO SHARE SOME OF MY EXPERIENCE.

I THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL FOR MY COLLEAGUES, BUT YOU KNOW, I BECAME A VERY YOUNG OWNER OF A HOUSE IN DENMARK.

AND TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO, I REMEMBER GOING THERE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, FIRST TIME AND HITTING THE GROCERY STORE AND MAKING MY PURCHASES FOR THE TWO WEEK STAY THAT I WAS THERE AND I WAS, YOU KNOW, A SOUTHERN CALIFORNIAN AND DOING THAT.

AND I GOT TO THE CHECKOUT LINE AND THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO BOXES OR NO BAGS OR NO ANYTHING, AND YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BRING YOUR OWN CONTAINERS THAT YOU TAKE YOUR PURCHASES HOME WITH.

AND I WAS JUST STUNNED.

I'D NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.

A VERY NICE PERSON BEHIND ME GAVE ME A COUPLE OF THE BAGS SO I COULD GET MOST OF THE STUFF IN, BUT I WANT A SECOND OR THIRD TIME TO THE STORE AND IT WAS A NO BRAINER FOR ME.

IT WAS SUPER EASY.

I KNEW I HAD TO BRING BAGS, BROUGHT MY BAGS AND IT JUST BECAME A NORMAL KIND OF COURSE, FOR ME.

THE SECOND IS COSTCO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT, BUT THEY HAVE THE BEST CARDBOARD DIVERSION PROGRAM I'VE EVER SEEN, IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU PURCHASE A COSTCO, THERE ARE NO PLASTIC BAGS AND IT'S ALL THE CARDBOARD FROM ALL THE DELIVERIES THAT THEY GET THAT YOU TAKE HOME WITH YOU.

AND THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG TIME.

AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I WAS THE HIGHWAY 101 COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF ENCINITAS AS A CONSULTANT FOR SEVEN YEARS ON TOP OF MY 10 YEARS AS THE DOWNTOWN DIRECTOR.

BUT THIS CAME TO THE CITY OF ENCINITAS, PROBABLY BETWEEN SIX AND NINE YEARS AGO.

I'M NOT QUITE CERTAIN WHEN, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ON THE PART OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, I'M GUESSING PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE HUNDRED BUSINESSES ALONG THE COASTAL STRIP, MANY RESTAURANTS, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT SUPPLY CHAIN.

THE COUNCIL ADOPTED IT.

THERE WAS A GRACE PERIOD OR A TRANSITION PERIOD.

AND THEN IT WAS IMPLEMENTED, AND I DIDN'T HEAR A THING.

I DIDN'T HEAR A THING FROM ONE BUSINESS.

IT JUST BECAME THE WAY TO DO BUSINESS AND THE WAY IT WAS DONE, IT WAS APPRECIATED BY THE CUSTOMERS AND IT WAS HAPPENED LITERALLY WITHOUT ONE COMPLAINT FROM A BUSINESS OWNER.

THERE'S A ROLE IN THIS FOR CONSUMERS, TOO.

AND AS I'VE BECOME KIND OF MORE AWARE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY RESTAURANTS THAT I GO TO AND I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THEIR TO-GO POLICIES OR THEIR TAKE HOME POLICIES.

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AND AS A CONSUMER, I'LL JUST TALK TO THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T GET CHANGED, I'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU KNOW, I'M A WINE CONSUMER, I HAVE FOUR OR FIVE WINE CLUBS AND THEIR PACKAGING IS GREAT, EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT USES STYROFOAM.

AND IT JUST BUGS ME AND I'LL CONTACT THEM AND I'LL ASK THEM TO CHANGE.

AND THEY EVENTUALLY DID CHANGE.

AND SO CONSUMERS HAVE A ROLE AS WELL.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR CITIZENS HERE HAVE EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE AND TO EMBRACE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES.

THE SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE [INAUDIBLE] AND SKIP THE STUFF IDEA AND FUTURE ORDINANCE, POTENTIALLY.

YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THAT AND I LOOK AT THAT AS SOMETHING THAT A CONSERVATIVE PERSON WOULD DO, SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO CONSERVE BUT SIMPLY NOT TAKE SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO USE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT.

IT'S IN OUR TO-GO CONTAINER AND WE'RE GOING TO THROW IT AWAY WHEN WE GET HOME BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO USE IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY EASY TO DO.

THE COMMENTS BY A SPEAKER ABOUT A BIGGER CONVERSATION, I TOO, ASKED IN MY COUNCIL BRIEFING IF THESE DISCUSSIONS HAVE HAPPENED AND WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND WITH THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION AND THEN WITH VARIOUS NONPROFIT GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

SO I THINK WHAT I'M HOPING THAT HAPPENS IS AFTER WE GIVE DIRECTION AND MAYBE PART OF THE DIRECTION TONIGHT, WE DO HAVE A FEW MONTHS BEFORE THIS ITEM COMES BACK TO US AND MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BEFORE PARTS OF THIS ITEM COME BACK TO US THAT WE DO CONVENE A MEETING AND INVITE STAKEHOLDERS AND INVITE THESE GROUPS AND HAVE THEM GO OVER WHAT WE HAVE DONE, HAVE THEM GO OVER WHAT OUR SELECTIONS HAVE BEEN AS POLICYMAKERS, AND WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM AND I WANT TO HEAR IF THEY'RE UNIFIED OR IF THERE'S ONE OR TWO ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.

AND I WANT THAT TO HELP ME IN MY DECISION MAKING WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO US AND WE NOW HAVE HEARD FROM OUR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY ARE.

IF THERE'S HEARTBURN ON ONE ISSUE; IF THEY'RE UNIFIED, IF THERE IS EVEN MORE IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE.

MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY UNIFIED, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE, AND I WANT THAT MEETING TO HAPPEN WHERE THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE AT THE TABLE AND THEY CAN DISCUSS WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY EXPERIENCE.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN IN THE BAKERY BUSINESS.

I HAVE FAMILY IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS.

I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT INDUSTRY.

I KNOW WHAT THE SUPPLY CHAIN IS.

THE SUPPLY CHAIN IS A LOT BETTER TODAY THAN IT WAS SEVEN OR 10 YEARS AGO IN TERMS OF PRODUCTS THAT YOU CAN USE IN-LIEU OF THE PRODUCTS THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY BANNING.

AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT IN THE LAST YEAR WITH COVID, THE LAST 18 MONTHS WITH COVID, AND IT'S BEEN AN INDUSTRY THAT'S BEEN HIT REALLY HARD.

SO I'M SENSITIVE ABOUT COMING TO THEM RIGHT NOW AND SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.

IT'S A BAN.

IT STARTS NEXT MONTH, SO I'M VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

NEXT IS JUST CONTEXT.

I MEAN, WE'RE A CITY LITERALLY ON THE PACIFIC OCEAN AND ON THREE LAGOONS, AND WE HAVE A VERY PRECIOUS PLACE HERE ENVIRONMENTALLY WHERE WE LIVE.

AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THAT AND TO MAKE IT BETTER IF WE CAN, QUITE FRANKLY.

SO FOR MY 20 PERCENT, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT A SINGLE USE PLASTIC BAG BAN.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT A BAN ON EPS.

I'D LIKE THE EPS BAN TO INCLUDE THE SANTA MONICA SUB ACTION, WHICH WAS TO FURTHER SPECIFY THE TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT WE CAN USE TO REPLACE THE POLYSTYRENE, AND IT WOULD BASICALLY EXCLUDE COMPOSTABLE PLASTICS.

SO WE'LL STILL HAVE OPTIONS TO DO.

BUT IT JUST WENT ON FURTHER IN TERMS OF SPECIFYING ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE USED IN ADDITION TO EPS.

I LIKE THAT AS WELL.

I DEFINITELY WANT TO ENACT A SKIP THE STUFF ORDINANCE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I WANT TO ENACT THE STATE REQUIREMENTS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK 12 MONTHS FOR ME, 12 MONTHS IS SATISFACTORY, BUT IF THE COUNCIL LANDS ON 18 MONTHS, I COULD SUPPORT 18 MONTHS AS WELL.

BUT I THINK A YEAR TRANSITION PERIOD OF TIME GETS PEOPLE THROUGH THEIR INVENTORY THEY HAVE THE STOCK THAT THEY HAVE.

THEY CAN WORK WITH THE SUPPLIERS.

THEY CAN KIND OF TRY NEW SUPPLIES OUT THAT WILL WORK FOR THEM AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE THEIR CHANGES.

I ALSO HEARD WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.

I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS KIND OF AN ALL INCLUSIVE PACKAGE.

WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME STAFF TO MEET THE STATE MANDATES.

WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REVENUE THAT'S GOING TO COME IN AND FUND THOSE STAFF MEMBERS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF STAFF MEMBERS, MAYBE ONE OR TWO IN ADDITION TO THAT AND IF THERE'S SOME OVERLAP.

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BUT I WOULD ALSO LEAN ON OUR ORGANIZATION.

SO OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, OUR VILLAGE MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS TO HELP US INFORM THEIR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT CARLSBAD HAS MADE AND WHY CARLSBAD IS DOING THAT.

AND I THINK THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.

DR BHAT-PATEL? SURE, THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR MAKING YOUR REMARKS.

I DEFINITELY SHARE MANY OF THE SENTIMENTS.

AND FOR ME, A LOT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN INVESTMENT, RIGHT? IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND AN INVESTMENT IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

I HAVE A SEVEN MONTH OLD, SO FOR ME, IT'S THINKING ABOUT, OK, WHAT IS HIS FUTURE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD CARLSBAD RIGHT? AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY MENTIONED IS THE SUPPLY CHAIN PIECE, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I HAD ALSO NOTED DOWN JUST TO MENTION THAT COSTS HAVE DEFINITELY SHIFTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST FEW YEARS.

IT'S NOW A LOT MORE MAINSTREAM TO BE SUSTAINABLE THAN IT WAS A WHILE AGO.

AND SO COSTS HAVE DEFINITELY LOWERED.

IT'S A VERY SIMPLE ECONOMIC SUPPLY AND DEMAND TYPE THING, RIGHT? SO AS AS WE'VE SEEN THAT, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT COSTS HAVE SHIFTED AND THAT THERE ARE SOME LARGER ENTITIES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY STARTING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THOSE SINGLE USE PLASTICS AND ACTUALLY MOVING TOWARDS MORE SUSTAINABLE OPTIONS.

EVEN SOME OF OUR SMALLER MOM AND POP BUSINESSES HAVE STARTED TO DO THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.

AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE COMMITMENTS TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY AND HOPEFULLY SOME CLIMATE STABILIZATION.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECES LIKE I MENTIONED AND SOMETHING FOR ME THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS GOING TO BE THAT EDUCATION PIECE, SOMETHING THAT AS A PUBLIC HEALTH PERSON AND AS SOMEBODY WHO'S DONE WORK IN HEALTH EDUCATION, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO EDUCATION AND JUST REALLY BEING ABLE TO LET FOLKS KNOW, HEY, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN POTENTIALLY USE MORE SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS.

THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS WHEN IT BREAKS DOWN, X Y Z, LIKE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND NUTS AND BOLTS.

AND I THINK A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, OUR TEAM HAS MENTIONED THAT THERE MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL TO HAVE EXTRA TEAM TEAMMATES TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE SITUATIONS.

I DO THINK I AGREE THAT HAVING A PHASED APPROACH, LIKE I MENTIONED IN MY COMMENTS EARLIER, IS GOING TO BE THE BEST.

I ALSO AGREE THAT DOING SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY WOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT FOR OUR NOT ONLY OUR TEAM, BUT ALSO DIFFICULT FOR THOSE THAT IT WOULD IMPACT.

I THINK FOLKS HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT THIS PAST YEAR AND I THINK TAKING A PHASED APPROACH WOULD ALLOW FOR FOLKS TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS HAPPENING, WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE AND WHAT THEY CAN DO TO COME ALONGSIDE US WHILE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS.

THE TIMELINE FOR ME, I'M OPEN TO 12 TO 18 MONTHS.

I LIKE THAT.

I KNOW THAT FROM FOLKS THAT HAVE ASKED FOR THIS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE, MANAGEABLE, SOMETHING THAT FOLKS WOULD, WOULD APPRECIATE SO THAT THERE IS AN END END IN SIGHT.

I ALSO AM IN FAVOR OF DOING SKIP THE STUFF.

IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT AS A SOMETHING MORE IN THE NEAR TERM AND THEN DOING OTHER POLICY OPTION ONE PIECES IN THE LONGER TERM IN THAT TIME FRAME, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

AND SIMILAR TO COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA FOR NOW, I THINK THE OTHER POLICY OPTIONS I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND AT A LATER TIME.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS FOR NOW BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING FOLKS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ASKING FOR FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND SOMETHING THAT I TOO HEARD WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

BUT I HEAR FROM ESPECIALLY OUR, YOU KNOW, MULTI-GENERATIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS.

EVERYONE ASKS FOR US AND FOLKS ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR IT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR KIDS AND OF COURSE, OF CARLSBAD.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

ONE THING I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT, IS THAT ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO APPLAUD THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE ASSOCIATION ON WAS THAT FOR THE TASTE OF CARLSBAD, THAT'S HAPPENING IN THREE WEEKS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING VERY SUSTAINABLE AND FORWARD.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE GIVING, YOU KNOW, REUSABLE SPORTS AND REUSABLE CUPS SO THAT FOLKS CAN UTILIZE THOSE AT EACH OF THEIR STOPS.

AND I KNOW WE'LL BE PARTICIPATING, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE THAT COMMITMENT.

SO THANK YOU.

MR. BLACKBURN.

I'M FAR FROM AN EXPERT ON THIS ISSUE.

THANK YOU TO RESIDENTS AND MEMBERS OF THE SIERRA CLUB WHO'VE TAKEN TIME TO SHARE THEIR VIEWS WITH ME ON THIS TOPIC.

BUT EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY'S DONE THAT, I STILL VIEW MYSELF AS A LAYPERSON AND AS A LAYPERSON, I WENT TO DINNER WITH TWO FRIENDS, AND WHEN WE WERE ALL FINISHED, WE HAD

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TO PUT THE TRASH IN THE LITTLE TRASH CAN.

I WROTE DOWN A FEW NOTES WE HAD FROM THREE OF US, WE HAD THREE CONTAINERS, THREE SETS OF PLASTIC UTENSILS, THE BAGGIE THAT THE UTENSILS CAME IN THE PLASTIC CUP WITH A PLASTIC COVER ON IT, AND THE SALAD DRESSING CAME IN LITTLE PLASTIC CONTAINERS.

WHEN IT WAS TIME TO THROW THIS AWAY.

WE HAD A HUGE PILE OF PLASTIC TRASH AND WE ALL LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND SAID THE SAME THING.

WE'RE JUST THREE PEOPLE OUT OF THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION AMERICANS CAN IMAGINE WHAT WE'RE THROWING INTO THE TRASH ON A DAILY BASIS.

SO JUST FROM A LAYPERSON'S PERSPECTIVE, I SEE THE NEED NEED FOR THIS.

I APPRECIATE STAFF COMING BACK LATER WITH MORE FACTS AND FIGURES, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.

A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT HOW RESTAURANTS OPERATE.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF FINANCIAL PROBLEMS AND I DO NOT WANT TO KICK THEM WHILE THEY'RE DOWN.

SO WHEN STAFF COMES BACK WITH THIS PRESENTATION, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL INCLUDE IN THERE HOW THIS IS NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS ON THE FINANCIAL BACKS OF OUR RESTAURANTS.

BUT WITH THAT SAID, I SUPPORT THIS.

I ALSO SUPPORT THE SKIP THE STUFF; THAT SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER.

SO THANK YOU, STAFF FOR ALL OF THIS INFORMATION.

I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO COACH ME.

STAFF IS ONE OF THOSE MANY PEOPLE TRIED TO COACH ME ON THIS TOPIC.

I'LL STILL CALL MYSELF A LAYPERSON ON THIS ISSUE, THOUGH.

I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES.

I WANT TO THANK ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE TONIGHT, BUT I TRULY HAVE CONCERNS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO MEET THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

BUT AFTER READING THROUGH THIS, I ACTUALLY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN I DO ANSWERS.

AND WHAT CONCERNS ME IS TWO PERSPECTIVES.

FIRST IS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS AND NOT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH A BODY OF THOSE PEOPLE AND JUST THINK ABOUT THE LEISURE INDUSTRY.

I MEAN, IT'S EVERYTHING FROM PEOPLE THAT SERVE NOTHING BUT PLASTICS TO PEOPLE THAT WASH EVERYTHING.

AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR RESTAURANT INDUSTRY, NOT TO MENTION THE HOTEL INDUSTRY.

SO THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EDUCATION, I THINK, ON BOTH PARTIES.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK OF THEM AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THEIR SIDE OF IT.

I THINK STAFF HAS GROSSLY UNDERESTIMATED THE AMOUNT OF LABOR IT'S GOING TO TAKE AND I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT, CHECK THE BOX IS ONE THING.

BUT IF WE'RE HONESTLY GOING TO ENGAGE AND DO THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALL COMMITTED TO DO, THAT'S GOING TO, JUST BY THE NUMBERS I HEARD TONIGHT, THAT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING.

AND TO ACTUALLY GET PEOPLE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THIS, NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL FACILITIES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET SB1383, SIMPLY JUST ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF THEIR LOCATION AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AS FAR AS TO STORE AND MOVE SOME OF THIS MATERIAL THAT'S COMING UP.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND SO FOR ME, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'D WALK BEFORE WE RUN.

THE OTHER IS FROM THE ASPECT, AND I BROUGHT IT UP BRIEFLY IN MY PRIOR PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE ECONOMICS OF THIS AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE OVER BUDGET LAST YEAR, FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS OR SINCE 1994.

AND SO THAT WE'VE ALSO GOT HUGE INCREASES IN CALPERS.

WE'VE GOT THE MONROE POOL THAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH AND THE MONEY TO DO THAT WITH.

WE'VE GOT COLLEGE AVE.

AND THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT AND JUST THE CARRY COST AND WHAT THAT NUMBER COULD BE.

WE'VE RECENTLY HIRED 45 NEW EMPLOYEES AND IT GOES ON AND ON AND EVEN INTO LATER AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

AND SO REALLY, I THINK WE AS A BOARD NEED INSTEAD OF START LOOKING AT THESE AS INDIVIDUAL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A COLLECTIVE CONVERSATION, PERHAPS IN OUR NEXT MEETING AND GOAL STUDY TO ACTUALLY TRY AND GIVE SOME PRIORITIES.

SO STAFF ISN'T GOING IN SO MANY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

AND WE HAVE THE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ECONOMICS OF HOW ALL THESE DIFFERENT PIECES ARE GOING TO FIT TOGETHER.

NOT TODAY, BUT FOUR OR FIVE, TEN YEARS FROM NOW.

HOW'S OUR REVENUE STREAMS GOING TO MATCH UP WITH ALL OF OUR DREAMS AND VISIONS?

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SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME THAT WE NEED TO WALK BEFORE WE RUN ON THIS.

DOCTOR, YOU HAVE MORE COMMON.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND APOLOGIES IF YOU CAN HEAR MY DOG IN THE BACKGROUND.

SO JUST REALLY QUICKLY.

CAN I ASK WHAT NEXT STEPS WOULD BE REGARDING TONIGHT'S DIRECTION? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TODAY, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US.

WE'RE NOT ENACTING SOMETHING CURRENTLY.

THAT'S CORRECT, WE WOULD BE BRINGING BACK A PROPOSAL WITH THE WITH THE EITHER SEPARATELY OR WITH THE REVISED SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT ALLOWS YOU TO THEN VOTE ON MOVING THAT FORWARD.

IT WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE THE THE THE SIMPLER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, THE SKIP THE STUFF WOULD BE IN THERE.

AND THEN JUST THE GENERAL BANS WOULD INCLUDE LIKE STAFFING AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NEED.

HOPEFULLY A PLAN FOR EDUCATION AND ULTIMATELY THE TIMELINES WOULD ALL BE INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK.

AND WE WOULD BRING BACK AND BE BEFORE A CITY COUNCIL, LIKELY IN DECEMBER TIMEFRAME, SO THAT WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PARTICULARLY WITH THIRTEEN EIGHTY THREE.

THAT DOES GO INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST OF 2022.

SO WE DO WANT TO BE COMPLIANT WITH STATE REQUIREMENTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

I'M SORRY, DOCTOR.

YEAH, I'M NOT DONE.

SORRY JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT.

SO AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED AND I TOO MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHIME IN ON SOME OF THESE THINGS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED, POTENTIALLY.

SO WE WOULD BE DOING THAT OUTREACH LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY PRIOR TO THIS BEING BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL OR WOULD THAT THEN HAPPEN AFTER? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ASPECT AS WELL.

WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PLAN TO DO THAT, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO PULL TOGETHER WHAT WOULD THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WORKING WITH COMMUNICATIONS TO PULL THAT TOGETHER.

THAT'S REALLY PART OF THE DIRECTION WE WANTED FROM YOU TONIGHT WAS WHAT YOUR INTENTION WAS FOR US TO DO WITH ADDITIONAL OUTREACH AS WELL.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

THANK YOU.

ALONG THE SAME LINES AS MY COLLEAGUE, I WAS LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDED ACTIONS AND I SAW THAT THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT BULLET POINTS.

ONE INCLUDED PROVIDING DIRECTION ON THE POLICY SECTION AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS MORE ABOUT SB 1383 AND AN ACCOMPANYING REQUEST FOR THE NEEDED RESOURCES FOR THAT, [INAUDIBLE].

CORRECT.

OK.

SO FOR THE FIRST ONE, FOR THE POLICY SECTION TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL TO PROCEED WITH RECOMMENDED POLICY OPTION NUMBER ONE.

AND INCLUDE A SKIP THE STUFF ORDNANCE, I GUESS IT'S MODELED OFF OF THE NATIONAL MODEL FOR SKIP THE STUFF IN THAT PLAN WITH A 12 MONTH TIMELINE.

INITIALLY, I HAD SAID 18, BUT IN HEARING IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LONGER AND LONGER.

SO I THINK THE 12 MONTH IS A LOT MORE PALATABLE BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF GIVING NOTICE AND RAISING THE LEVEL OF THE CONVERSATION.

NOW I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT ELSE WE TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE ALL OF THE POLICY OPTION NUMBER ONE INCLUDED THE PLASTIC BAG BAN AND THE STYROFOAM AS WELL.

THERE WERE SOME SUB BULLETS IN THERE AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE.

I DID HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY'S COMMENT AS WELL ABOUT THE SANTA MONICA POLICY AND INCLUDING THAT IN THERE, I KNOW YOU WERE TAKING NOTES I SAW DURING THE MEETING, SO INCLUDING THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER'S COMMENTS ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SO, THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

OUTREACH PERSPECTIVE, STAFF ARE TAPPED OUT.

SO BECAUSE WE HAVE REDISTRICTING THAT WILL CURRENTLY BE OCCURRING, OUR HOUSING PLAN OUTREACH AS WELL AS THE COASTAL VISION THAT'S ALREADY PLANNED FOR THE FALL.

SO CAN WE COME BACK WITH ALTERNATIVES TO LOOK BECAUSE WE THERE IS GOING TO BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LIKELY IT'LL HAVE TO ENTIRELY BE CONTRACTED OUT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD.

MS. ACOSTA, CAN I SUGGEST SOMETHING JUST BEFORE YOU GO ON ON THIS? BECAUSE I'M HEARING FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING AT THIS FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF

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DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND I THINK STAFF HAS HEARD US REAL CLEARLY AS TO WHAT OUR PERSONAL BELIEFS ARE AND KIND OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

WOULD IT BE ASKING TOO MUCH THAT THEY KIND OF FINE TUNE THAT AND BRING IT BACK AT OUR GOAL SETTING FOR OUR VOTE ON IT AT THAT TIME TO GIVE EXACT DIRECTION? AND AT THAT TIME, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER FINE TUNE SOME OF THE NUMBERS.

IS IS THAT OUT OF THE QUESTION? OR I'M AFRAID WE'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AND PICK OFF THREE OR FOUR THINGS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT FULLY THOUGHT OUT AND GIVE STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO HONE THIS.

SO I THINK WE'RE THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES, I MEAN, ACTUALLY WHAT I'M ASKING, WHAT THE MOTION IS IS TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH A PROPOSAL.

BUT I HADN'T GIVEN A TIME CERTAIN AND I WAS JUST THINKING BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOAL SETTING, I BELIEVE THAT'S EARLY NOVEMBER.

SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO OTHER STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANTS OR WHOEVER WOULD BE WORKING ON THIS TO SEE IF THEY COULD TURN IT OUT BY THEN.

THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL THAT ENCAPSULATES OUR CONVERSATION TODAY AND HELPS US SEE WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD BE LIKE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND THE ONLY REASON I'M SUGGESTING THAT AND I YIELD THE STAFF FOR THEM TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT TIMELINE IS JUST THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, AND IT PUTS MORE OF THE ECONOMICS OF WHAT WE WILL AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD MOVING FORWARD.

AND IT KIND OF I THINK IT GIVES US A GREATER IN DEPTH UNDERSTANDING OF NOT JUST THIS ITEM, BUT OF A WHOLE HOST OF ITEMS THAT WE'VE BASICALLY GIVEN STAFF A GREEN LIGHT TO GO DO.

AND SO WE AS THE COUNCIL GET TO SEE THE OVERALL ASK VERSUS JUST THIS ASK.

YEAH, SO THE MOTION, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS FOR STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH THE PROPOSAL AND THEN WE CAN CONSIDER IT THEN AND CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE A BUDGET ALLOCATION JUST AS LAST TIME WHEN WE WENT THROUGH GOAL SETTING AND JUST TO REMIND YOU, WE HAD TO SPEND DOWN SOME OF OUR RESERVES.

WE HAD A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH IN OUR RESERVES AND WE DECIDED TO SPEND THAT MONEY LIKE 10 MILLION IN CALPERS.

SO WE COULD HAVE IF WE HAD THIS PLAN AT THAT TIME HAVE SPENT THAT ON SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THIS.

SO JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT OUR BUDGET DECISIONS AT THE RIGHT TIME WITH GOAL SETTING AND WHEN WE COME UP WITH THE BUDGET.

BUT THIS MOTION IS REALLY JUST TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH THAT PROPOSAL.

MUCH OF IT, LIKE THE GROUNDWORK, HAS ALREADY BEEN LAID HERE, SOME OF THE RESEARCH OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE ALREADY DONE ABOUT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, LIKE WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, ENCINITAS DID THIS SIX TO NINE YEARS AGO.

THEY STARTED WORKING ON THIS AND THERE'S IS IN PLACE AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME.

SO THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW.

I ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A BALLOT MEASURE THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE STATEWIDE BALLOT FOR SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR FOR PART OF THIS TO BE FOR ALL RESTAURANTS.

SO IF THERE'S A RESTAURANT OUT THERE THAT HASN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING, THEN IT'S DEFINITELY INFORMATION THAT'S OUT THERE AND HAS BEEN SWIRLING ABOUT NOT JUST IN THE SAN DIEGO REGION, BUT CALIFORNIA WIDE AND NATIONALLY AS WELL.

SO THAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE, AND I KNOW THAT EDUCATION IS SUPER IMPORTANT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED THIS PLAN TO REALLY HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW TO ENGAGE BEST WITH BUSINESSES.

I'M ALSO GOING TO THE TASTE OF CARLSBAD.

I SAW THAT AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

JIMBO'S IN MY DISTRICT POSTED RECENTLY.

THEY DON'T NO LONGER HAVE PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES.

IT'S ALL GLASS OR CANS.

DR. BRONNER'S WAS HERE TODAY TALKING TO US ABOUT HOW THEY'RE COMMITTED TO DOING IT.

SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN CARLSBAD ALREADY DOING SOME OF THIS WORK.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ENGAGING AND SHARING WITH THEM OUR LEADERSHIP AS CITY LEADERS AND OUR COMMITMENT TO REFLECT BACK WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY TOLD US THAT THEY VALUE.

SO THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE REFINEMENTS TO IT IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THOSE.

DR. BHAT-PATEL? YEAH, I'LL SECOND AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT.

I KNOW THAT THE QUESTION AROUND ENGAGEMENT WAS RAISED AND THAT IT'S DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE GENERALLY MEETS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S EVERY MONTH OR EVERY OTHER MONTH.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR EITHER MR. CHADWICK OR MR. GRAHAM.

IF THAT MIGHT BE THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD HAVE FOLKS, WE COULD MAYBE TAP INTO THE CHAMBER OR CBA, SOME OF THE OTHER ENTITIES TO POTENTIALLY AID US IN DOING SOME OF THAT OUTREACH AND BRINGING THAT FEEDBACK BACK.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE

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THAT WE SET EXPECTATIONS IS THERE WAS NO EXPECTATION OF OUTREACH BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT WE BRING THE PROPOSAL BEFORE CITIZENS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

WE'LL END UP INCLUDING IT IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE BRING FORWARD AND THERE WILL BE COOKING WITH GAS, I THINK.

AND THEN WE CAN ALSO EXPLORE AS POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES OR SOME COST EFFECTIVE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EXISTING RESOURCES AS WELL AS CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION SO THAT WE CAN REALLY PUSH THIS INFORMATION OUT.

OKAY, GREAT, THANK YOU.

YES, COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

SPEAKING TO THE MOTION, I THINK THAT WE ARE GIVING SOME PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION HERE.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THE TEXTILE ISSUE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THE MATTRESS ISSUE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THE, WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE, TEXTILE MATTRESS AND...

CONSTRUCTION/DEMOLITION? YEAH, SO, ACTUALLY, THERE'S A FOURTH ONE.

[CHUCKLING] SOMETHING TO DO WITH MATTRESSES.

SOMETHING BIG.

AND I WAS GOING, HMM.

OH, CARPET, SORRY.

YEAH.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF LIMIT THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT DURING THIS TIME, YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO REFINE YOUR ESTIMATES.

IT WAS KIND OF LIKE EVERYTHING IN A BAG.

AND HERE'S WHAT THE ESTIMATES ARE FOR LABOR TO IMPLEMENT THIS.

AND SO NOW THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME DIRECTION WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REFINE THAT AND GET MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRECISE WITH THAT, EITHER LARGER OR SMALLER BASED UPON THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU AND THEN TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, THERE WAS JUST ONE PIECE I LEFT OUT.

I'M SORRY, IT SEEMS LIKE REALLY, REALLY LOW HANGING FRUIT, BUT THERE WAS ONE COMMUNITY, I THINK [INAUDIBLE] JUST THEY BASICALLY PROHIBITED THE INTENTIONAL RELEASE OF BALLOONS, AND THAT SEEMS REALLY EASY.

I KNOW WE'VE DEALT WITH MYLAR.

BUT IF WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THE INTENTIONAL RELEASE OF BALLOONS, I THINK I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT AS WELL, THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THAT IN OUR CITY.

I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, THAT INCLUSION.

I ACCEPT IT AS WELL.

AND THEN I JUST I HOPE WE DO THE BEST WE CAN TO GET THIS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE WE GATHER AGAIN AND DECIDE KIND OF A MORE FINAL DETERMINATION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR TO HEAR FROM THEM.

AND THE REASON THAT I MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION IS JUST SOME EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE PROPOSED SOME PRETTY LARGE MEASURES REGARDING CHANGES TO THE BUILDING CODE OF THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND REALIZE THAT WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND GET THE BIA AND THE CHAMBER AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM, AS WELL AS THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS TOGETHER IN A ROOM.

AND WHEN WE DID THAT, THEY SOLVED ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF THE PROBLEMS FOR US, AND IT MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET TO AGREEMENT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS, I THINK MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA SAID, THIS IS NOT NEWS TO ANYBODY.

THIS IS OUT THERE.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK WE WOULD HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IF THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ON THE ISSUE.

BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT EXTRA EFFORT.

AND TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, CONTACT THEM HERE BEFORE YOU MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION.

THANK YOU.

MR. CHADWICK, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO, I'VE HEARD IT FROM MORE THAN ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT OUTREACH BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US? AND AS WE MENTIONED, CURRENTLY WE HAVE NO CAPACITY TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL OUTREACH, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT BASED OFF THE MOTION, THE UNDERSTANDING IS WE WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL WOULD PROVIDE US THE DIRECTION THEN BASED OFF OF THAT, AS WELL AS ANY BUDGETARY ASSETS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THAT ENDEAVOR, WE WOULD ENGAGE THAT ONCE COUNCIL MAKES THE DETERMINATION AND THEN WE CAN ENGAGE THE OUTREACH EFFORTS.

SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE'S NO OUTREACH BEFORE OUR NEXT AND FINAL VOTE.

WELL, WE BRING FORWARD THE PLAN FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, AND BASED OFF OF THAT PLAN, THEN COUNCIL WOULD PROVIDE US, AND AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WHETHER IT'S STAGED OR STAGGERED IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.

SO WE'LL COME BACK, WE'LL PUT THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON THAT.

AND INCLUDE IT IN THAT WILL ALSO BE AN OUTREACH COMPONENT AND AN EDUCATION COMPONENT OR CAMPAIGN.

SO WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF THAT FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

YOU GIVE US THE GREEN LIGHT AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXECUTE BASED OFF OF FULFILLING FOR RESOURCES SUCH AS STAFF, AS WELL AS ANY ADDITIONAL OUTREACH EFFORT [INAUDIBLE] NECESSARY TOOLS TO ENACT THIS.

AND WHAT IS YOUR ESTIMATION OF BEING ABLE TO RETURN TO US? MR. WOOD, BASED OFF OF THE EXISTING MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO GET BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL?

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UM, OUR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, SO, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, WE COULD ATTEMPT TO, I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD HAVE A FULL PLAN BEFORE GOAL SETTING.

WE COULD GIVE AN UPDATE AT GOAL SETTING IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE THE FULL PLAN DONE IN A MONTH AND A HALF TO HAVE IT FLESHED OUT FULLY.

OK.

MR. BLACKBURN.

JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

WE HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.

IT'S SUBSECTION TWO.

IS YOUR MOTION GOING TO INCLUDE THAT ADOPTION OF THAT RESOLUTION? I WAS THINKING THAT WE WOULD TAKE THEM SEPARATELY BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST AT THE VERY TOP UNDER RECOMMENDED ACTIONS.

THERE WERE TWO BULLET POINTS I WAS SAYING THIS IS JUST THE FIRST.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OK.

COULD THE CLERK PLEASE TAKE ROLL? OK, I MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION CONTAINER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN SUBSECTION TWO.

SECOND.

OK, AND THIS HAS TO BASICALLY DO WITH THE SENATE BILL, CORRECT? OK.

CLERK, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WITH THAT, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK? AND SO I'M RECORDING 5:12.

LET'S SAY WE'LL BE BACK HERE, CAN WE MAKE IT 5:20 OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT 5:25? OK, LET'S MAKE IT 5:20.

MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT, THE DECLARATION OF A CLIMATE EMERGENCY AND TURN IT OVER

[8. DECLARATION OF A CLIMATE EMERGENCY – Adoption of a resolution approving the declaration of a climate emergency. (Staff contact: James Wood, Public Works)]

TO MR. CHADWICK TO MAKE INTRODUCTIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR, AND MAKING A PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR JAMES WOOD.

THANK YOU.

SO, YES, WE ARE HERE TO, AND I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN FOR THE DECLARATION OF CLIMATE EMERGENCY.

RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO START--HERE'S A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY FACING SINCE 1970'S, THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES HAVE EXCEEDED THE LAST CENTURY'S AVERAGE EVERY YEAR.

SO REALLY, WHAT IS A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, THIS HAS BEEN DEFINED AS CONDITIONS THAT CAUSED THAT ARE CAUSED BY CLIMATE CHANGE AND POSE IMMEDIATE AND LONG TERM THREATS TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND THE NATION AND THE WORLD.

THEY INCLUDE DECREASED DROUGHT, AIR POLLUTION, EXTREME HEAT SPECIES, STRESS, NEGATIVE HEALTH EFFECTS, SEA LEVEL RISE AND AND INCREASED WILDFIRES.

A DECLARATION OF CLIMATE EMERGENCY IS SUPPORTED BY MANY LOCAL, STATE, FEDERAL AND INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.

IT ADHERES TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABILITY GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND IT EMPHASIZES THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND MITIGATE ITS EFFORTS IN CARLSBAD.

AND ON MARCH 9TH, 2021, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUMACHER INTRODUCED A DRAFT CLIMATE EMERGENCY DECLARATION.

THE MOTION WAS MADE TO DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE THAT BACK AND CREATE AND PROVIDE A CITY OF CARLSBAD SPECIFIC RESOLUTION FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE APPROVAL.

AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.

WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS BY ALL THE BRANCHES IN THE SOCIETY.

EVERYONE HAS PROVIDED COMMENTS.

THE EXHIBIT THREE TO THE RESOLUTION IS THE RED LINE VERSION AND THEN THE EXHIBIT ONE IS THE FULL FINAL CLEAN VERSION OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE DECLARATION OF A CLIMATE EMERGENCY.

WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY

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SPEAKERS? AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS CARL [INAUDIBLE].

HELLO, MY NAME IS CARL [INAUDIBLE], AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF FIFTEEN THOUSAND REGIONAL MEMBERS OF SIERRA CLUB, SAN DIEGO, CARLSBAD, AND IN FACT, ALL OF HUMANITY IS FACING THE GREATEST THREAT WE HAVE EVER FACED GREATER THAN COVID, GREATER THAN THE GREAT DEPRESSION, GREATER THAN THE MANY WARS WE HAVE FOUGHT.

BUT BECAUSE CLIMATE CRISIS IS OFTEN DESCRIBED IN TERMS OF SOLUTIONS BY 2030 OR BY 2050, WE HAVE PROVEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MEETING THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE TO DECARBONIZE OUR COMMUNITY AND DRIVE DOWN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS SWIFTLY.

WE ARE REMINDED BY [INAUDIBLE] SCIENCE OFTEN THAT WE ARE FAILING.

THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN DIVIDED ALMOST TO THE BREAKING POINT ABOUT THE NEED TO REOPEN OR CLOSE RESTAURANTS, TO WEAR OR NOT WEAR MASKS.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CRISIS, WE NEED TO DO MUCH MORE AND WE WILL NEED SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER COOPERATION IF WE ARE TO SURVIVE THE THREAT OF THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY.

THAT COOPERATION MUST COME FROM YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THE FIRST STEP IN ADDRESSING THE CLIMATE CRISIS IS NOT ACTUALLY JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT EXISTS, BUT THAT WE HAVE THE COLLECTIVE, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.

AFTER ALL, THE PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO ENSURE THE COMMON GOOD.

THE CITY OF CARLSBAD'S CHARTER STATES THAT HAS TAKEN THE STEP OF CREATING A CITY GOVERNMENT TO "BETTER SERVE AND PROMOTE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD." WE ARE NOT POWERLESS TO STOP THE CLIMATE CRISIS.

IN FACT, WE ARE EXTREMELY POWERFUL WHEN WE CHOOSE TO ACT, WHEN WE CHOOSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR RELIANCE ON EACH OTHER, TO MAKE QUICK TO MAKE CHANGES QUICKLY, DELIBERATELY AND SHARED SACRIFICE AND MUTUAL INTENT.

I URGE YOU TO PASS THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY DECLARATION AND THAT YOU EXPLICITLY USE IT AS A GUIDE FOR ALL FUTURE POLICY IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KEVIN LEE.

HI THERE, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR HALL, AND CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBER KEVIN LEE HERE.

I'M BACK AGAIN.

RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE BY TAMARAC, BUT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF DR.

BRONNER'S.

WE WANT TO GO ON RECORD TODAY IN SUPPORT OF CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION TO DECLARE A CLIMATE EMERGENCY.

THE DECLARATION DRAFT OUTLINES THE DEVASTATING IMPACTS THAT WE ARE SEEING DUE TO THE CLIMATE CRISIS.

ADDITIONALLY, THE MOST RECENT IPCC REPORT HAS STATED THAT WE HAVE NOW ENTERED CODE RED FOR HUMANITY AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE UNPRECEDENTED CHANGES TO OUR PLANET.

WE MUST MEET THE URGENCY OF OUR TIME AND KEEP THE CALL TO ACTION.

AS MIKE BRONNER, OUR PRESIDENT, MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR EMPLOYEES, MANY OF WHOM LIVE HERE IN CARLSBAD AND THROUGHOUT SAN DIEGO COUNTY, CARE A LOT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, FROM THE PLASTIC PROBLEM TO A CLIMATE CRISIS WE FACE TO GET [INAUDIBLE] TODAY.

THEY HAVE PUSHED US TO ACT ON CLIMATE AND WE SEE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL EFFORTS, WHETHER IT'S ADOPTING REGENERATIVE ORGANIC AGRICULTURE IN OUR SUPPLY CHAINS OR INSTALLING RENEWABLE ENERGY ON SITE AS A BUSINESS COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE.

BUT WE CANNOT TACKLE CLIMATE CHANGE ALONE.

WE NEED SUPPORT AND LEADERSHIP FROM OUR PUBLIC SECTOR PARTNERS.

THAT'S WHY THROUGHOUT SEPTEMBER, THROUGH THE CALL FOR CLIMATE NOW CAMPAIGN THAT BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ARE PARTICIPATING IN RIGHT NOW, WE AT DR.

BRONNER'S HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGING OUR CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES TO CALL OUR ELECTED CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES TO IMPLEMENT BOLD CLIMATE ACTION POLICIES.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES HERE IN NORTH COUNTY, SAN DIEGO RISE TO THE OCCASION AS WELL.

WE ARE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR THE LEADERSHIP THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS ALREADY DEMONSTRATED WITH ITS ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVES AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.

WHILE THE DECLARATION OF CLIMATE EMERGENCY IS LARGELY SYMBOLIC AT THIS POINT, WE HOPE YOU WILL PASS THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT.

IT WILL SET THE TONE FOR LOCAL, STATE AND NATIONAL PARTNERS, AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HERE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

WE COMMIT TO WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR HALL AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT CLIMATE ACTION HOWEVER WE CAN.

AND WHILE I HAVE A FEW MORE SECONDS, I'M GOING TO GO OFF SCRIPT A LITTLE BIT AND SAY, I KNOW THAT CARLSBAD HAS JOINED THE GREEN BUSINESS NETWORK IN CALIFORNIA, AND I REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO REALLY LEAN INTO THAT RESOURCE.

THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER IS DOING DOOR TO DOOR BUSINESS OUTREACH AND EDUCATION.

I WORKED FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO GREEN BUSINESS PROGRAM BEFORE, AND I KNOW

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THEY ARE GREAT AT ENGAGING BUSINESSES ON THE PLASTICS ISSUE AND REALLY HELP WITH CLIMATE EDUCATION AS WELL.

SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT PIECE IN THERE AND JUST SAY, OF COURSE, DR.

BRONNER'S IS ALSO VERY WILLING TO HELP OUT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND EFFORT ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PAIGE JUSTINO.

HI, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ON PAIGE JUSTINO, A LONGTIME RESIDENT IN CARLSBAD.

TONIGHT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PASS A CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION.

OUR CARLSBAD SIERRA CLUB TEAM LAST DECEMBER ASKED COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUMACHER TO PRESENT THIS TO COUNCIL, AND WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THE LANGUAGE HAS REMAINED INTACT SINCE SINCE.

SINCE ITS INTRODUCTION IN MARCH, YOU RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM MANY RESIDENTS IN SUPPORT OF THIS RESOLUTION.

CLIMATE CHANGE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW.

IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION EVERY TIME THE UNITED NATIONS ISSUED A NEW REPORT, THE OUTLOOK BECOMES INCREASINGLY DIRE.

WHILE THE WHEELS OF GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE TURN SLOWLY, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS RESOLUTION.

EVERY TIME YOU FORMULATE A PLAN, FUND A CITY PROJECT, PASS AN ORDINANCE, OR APPROVE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THE LANGUAGE TO DO SO HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.

PLEASE THINK ABOUT ADDING IT BACK.

OUR ORIGINAL DOCUMENT ALSO ASKS THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS TO BE UPDATED, COMMIT TO STRONGER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ACTUALLY BEYOND WHAT THE STATE MANDATES.

THIS IS WHERE THE CITY CAN BE ASPIRATIONAL AND GO BEYOND THE PRESCRIBED TARGETS TO BECOME A REAL CLIMATE LEADER.

EVERY RESIDENT AND CITY AGENCY SHOULD BE WORKING HARD TO LOWER OUR EMISSIONS.

EDUCATING THE PUBLIC IS PART OF THIS RESOLUTION, AND WE HOPE YOU'LL HONOR THIS ASPECT BY DOING ALL YOU CAN TO INFORM OUR CITIZENS OF THE SEVERITY OF THE SITUATION.

I APPLAUD STAFF FOR ADDING ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCE TO THE RESOLUTION, ALONG WITH THE NEED TO MOVE THE CITY'S VEHICLE FLEET AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS.

LET'S KEEP IT.

KEEP THINKING IN THAT DIRECTION AND MAKE OUR DECISIONS NOT BASED JUST ON ECONOMICS, BUT ON OUR CHILDREN'S AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN FUTURES.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER IS SUZANNE HUME.

HELLO, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR IMPORTANT WORK.

SO, DEAR MAYOR HALL AND CITY COUNCIL CLEANERS FOR KIDS ASKS YOU TO SUPPORT A CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION AND JOIN OVER THIRTY EIGHT COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE EUROPEAN UNION, NUMEROUS CITIES, TOWN COUNCILS, COUNTIES, SCIENTISTS AND PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD, URGING DECISION MAKERS LIKE YOU TO TAKE CLIMATE ACTION NOW TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GASES AND TOXIC AIR AND WATER POLLUTION, LARGELY COMING AS A RESULT OF BURNING FOSSIL FUELS, INCLUDING NATURAL GAS.

THE CITY OF ENCINITAS TOMORROW NIGHT IS POISED TO STOP NATURAL GAS, INCLUDING GAS STOVES, IN A BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION ORDINANCE.

THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS OUR YOUTH HAVE EXPLAINED AND DONE IN VIDEOS, THERE'S NO REASON WHY A PARENT IS COOKING, WHY THEY SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO NATURAL GAS, INCLUDING GAS STOVES.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE EDUCATION ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WITH BURNING FOSSIL FUELS AND ALSO THE PROBLEMS WITH BURNING WOOD.

AIR POLLUTION IS A PROBLEM THAT HURTS CHILDREN'S BRAINS.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUDY ON THIS, HEARTS AND LUNGS.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, ONE OF OUR YOUTH, HANNAH, COUNTED 91 ACTIVE FIRES BURNING IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES.

THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IPCC HAS SAID ABOUT INCREASING WILDFIRES, AND THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS US HERE.

I'M HOPING VERY MUCH WE ALL ARE THAT TO PASS THE IMPORTANT PLASTICS ORDINANCES SPOKEN ABOUT EARLIER.

PLASTICS, AS YOU KNOW, EMIT METHANE, AND THAT WAS DISCOVERED BY DR.

SARAH [INAUDIBLE] FROM SCRIPPS, WHO'S ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS.

WE MUST MOVE AWAY FROM THE BURNING OF FOSSIL FUELS.

THE BURNING OF FOSSIL FUELS CAUSES ONE IN 10 PREMATURE DEATHS IN THE U.S.

AND ONE IN FIVE GLOBALLY.

AIR POLLUTION IS A RACIAL, SOCIAL, CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUE, AND WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT PROTECTING OUR WATER AND OUR AIR FOR OUR KIDS.

THEY CANNOT BE EXPOSED TO ALL OF THESE TOXIC CHEMICALS.

AIR POLLUTION IS LINKED TO ASTHMA, DECREASED LUNG FUNCTION AND HEART DISEASE, CANCER AND OTHER SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS. ASTHMA IS THE MOST CHRONIC CONDITION AMONG CHILDREN, THE NUMBER ONE REASON CHILDREN MISS SCHOOL AND THE THIRD LEADING REASON WHY KIDS UNDER 15 ARE HOSPITALIZED.

SO ON OUR HOME PAGE OF CLEANERS FOR KIDS, WE HAVE AN ACTION PLAN FOR CITIES.

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HOPE YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT.

WE HOPE TO PARTNER WITH YOU WITH EDUCATION, AS WE'RE DOING WITH OCEANSIDE AND LA MESA.

SO MANY ON CHILDREN'S NO IDLING SIGNS WITH CHILDREN'S ART.

WE'RE ALSO DOING RADIO AND PRINT ADS TO BUILD AWARENESS.

SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE REALLY INEXPENSIVE THAT WE CAN DO TO SKIP THE PLASTIC.

ALSO, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SYNTHETIC TURF.

PLASTIC EMITS METHANE.

SYNTHETIC TURF IS A BUNCH OF WASTE GOING INTO OUR LANDFILLS.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OUR CHOICES.

NATURAL GRASS FIELDS THAT'S GOING TO HELP A LOT AND ALL OF OUR TREES AND BEAUTIFUL CARLSBAD.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

SO MUCH FROM CLEANERFORKIDS.ORG.

THE NEXT SPEAKER ENDS WITH 1732.

WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? GOOD AFTERNOON, THIS IS KELLY [INAUDIBLE], I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT.

FIRST, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM FOR YOUR COMMON SENSE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ON AGENDA ITEM SEVEN.

I AM CALLING ON NUMBER EIGHT RIGHT NOW.

AND AGAIN, WITH THE WHOLE EMERGENCY SITUATION, IN MARCH OF 2020, GOVERNOR NEWSOME DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY AND OVER A YEAR LATER SAID HE WOULD NOT LIFT THE STATE OF EMERGENCY EVEN THOUGH CALIFORNIA IS FULLY REOPENED.

AT THIS POINT, EIGHTEEN MONTHS LATER, WE, THE PEOPLE HAVE CAUGHT ON THAT THE PERSISTENT CLAIMS OF CRISIS BY THE GOVERNMENT TO DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY IS ABOUT TAKING POWER FROM THE PEOPLE AND PROBABLY ALSO WITH IT MORE MONEY.

A LOT OF MONEY FOLLOWS THESE EMERGENCY EDICTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MY ELECTED OFFICIALS SPEAK TO THE MASSIVE INCREASE IN COST FOR ELECTRICITY AND THE SIMULTANEOUS RISE IN BROWNOUTS, AS ONE OF YOUR PANELISTS EXPERIENCED TODAY AT THE MEETING.

LOW AND MIDDLE INCOME CITIZENS BEAR THE BRUNT OF THESE FINANCIAL BURDENS.

IN 2020, CALIFORNIA'S ELECTRICITY PRICES JUMPED BY 7.5 PERCENT, MAKING IT THE BIGGEST PRICE INCREASE OF ANY STATE.

ACCORDING TO THE ENERGY INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION, CALIFORNIANS ARE NOW PAYING ABOUT 70 PERCENT MORE FOR THEIR ELECTRICITY THAN THE AVERAGE IN THE U.S.

SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MASSIVE FIRES THAT HAVE BEEN RAGING AROUND THE STATE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THEY ARE IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE GOVERNMENT'S MISMANAGEMENT OF THE FORESTS.

AND ALSO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS, WHO FOR DECADES HAVE BEEN OBSTRUCTING FOREST THINNING BRUSH REMOVAL AND CONTROLLED BURNS WHEREVER POSSIBLE.

THE FIRES IN 2018 RELEASED 45 MILLION METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, PRODUCING NINE TIMES MORE EMISSIONS THAN WERE REDUCED IN 2017.

AND WATER.

WHERE IS THE EFFORT TO CAPTURE RAINFALL AND RUNOFF? WHERE IS THE EFFORT TO ADD DESALINIZATION PLANTS? WE ARE LET DOWN BY OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ON WATER ISSUES AS WELL.

WHILE I FULLY SUPPORT BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE EARTH, I OBJECT TO DECLARING YET ANOTHER CRISIS.

THE GOVERNMENT UNILATERALLY INCREASING THEIR POWER OVER CITIZENS AND TO THE MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS SEEMED TO FLOW IN FROM THESE EMERGENCIES.

THE NEXT SPEAKER ENDS WITH 9992.

WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? HI, THIS IS VANESSA FORSYTH AGAIN, I AM A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS AND AS I INDICATED, A GRANDMOTHER, I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE INFORMATION AND THE WORK THAT THE STAFF HAS DONE IN TERMS OF THE.

CRISIS EMERGENCY, THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION, SORRY, I NOW HAVE TO COOK DINNER.

SO I AGAIN, THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE.

I WOULD SUPPORT KEVIN LEIGH IN BELIEVING THAT OUR GOVERNMENT EXISTS AND TO PROMOTE OUR SAFETY AND HEALTH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT OUR COMMUNITY LEVEL, LOCALLY STATE AND ALSO GLOBALLY NATIONWIDE.

ALL THESE THINGS, BUT IT STARTS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE RESIDE.

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SO I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT AND VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS C.R., THE PRICES EXIST, WE HAVE ONLY SO MUCH TIME TO REALLY ADDRESS IT.

RIGHT NOW I'M COOKING WITH GAS, BUT I'M GOING TO BE SWITCHING TO ELECTRIC BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AIR THAT MY CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN BREATHE.

AND I WOULD SAY, YES, LET'S MAKE IT, IF ANYTHING, MORE STRONGER THE RESOLUTION AND USE IT AS PART OF WHAT WE GO FORWARD WITH OUR NEXT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND ALSO ASK THAT WHEN IT'S SIGNED THAT YOU SHARE IT WITH OUR STATE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND ALSO OUR GOVERNOR SO THAT THEY KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY OF CARLSBAD, THAT THEY ADDRESS THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY CRISIS THAT WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN.

WE ONLY HAVE MAYBE THIS DECADE TO GET IT BETTER.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS IMPACTING NOW AND WILL CONTINUE TO ALWAYS IMPACT IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF THE SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? DOCTOR? JUST ONE QUESTION.

ARE THERE ANY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DECLARING A CLIMATE EMERGENCY? NO, THIS IS A A SYMBOLIC STATEMENT OF COMMITMENT TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE, BUT NO COST ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS RESOLUTION TONIGHT.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION.

DOES THIS HAVE ANY IMPACT ON BUSINESS OR RESIDENTS AND THEIR PROPERTY OR PROPERTY RIGHTS? NO, IT WOULD NOT.

OK.

MR. NORBY? IF WE'RE ON COMMENTS, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

WHY DON'T YOU START OFF ON COMMENTS THAT I DON'T SEE ANY MORE HANDS UP FOR QUESTIONS.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO JUST LISTENING TO SOME OF THE SPEAKERS, YOU KNOW, CARLSBAD NEEDS TO BE A LEADER.

I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, CARLSBAD IS A LEADER AND WE ARE A LEADER ON SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, WHETHER IT'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHETHER IT'S THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT WE HAVE, IT'S OPEN SPACE.

AND I'M COMPELLED AS A VERY EARLY ONE OF THE EARLIEST KIND OF EV ADOPTERS AND SOLAR PV ADOPTERS AND ALSO A CONSULTANT THAT'S ACTIVE IN THIS FIELD AS I REVIEW CLIMATE ACTION PLANS IN VARIOUS CITIES ACROSS THAT SET A MARK TO BE MET IN 2035, AND IT EXCEEDED THAT MARK WITHIN THREE OR FOUR YEARS IN TERMS OF SOLAR ADOPTION.

AND SO WHAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU IS IT'S NOT REALLY IMPORTANT.

IT'S NOT REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT WHAT WE DO IN TERMS OF A RESOLUTION, BUT WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS WHAT OUR CITIZENS DO, AND I AM SO GRATIFIED IN OUR REGION.

IN THE SERVICE AREA IS OVER TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND SOLAR PV INSTALLATIONS NOW REPRESENTING 20 PERCENT OF ALL METERS IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION.

THAT IS REAL MOVEMENT.

AND THAT'S GOING TO GROW WITH THE SECOND KIND OF USE, WHICH IS TRANSPORTATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

BUT I LOOK AT CARLSBAD AS A LEADER.

THERE WAS MENTION OF THE EIA IN TERMS OF OUR MOST EXPENSIVE ELECTRICITY COSTS, AND I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE ARE THE FIFTH MOST EXPENSIVE STATE IN THE REGION PER KILOWATT HOUR.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE ARE 44TH IN THE TOTAL COST OF OUR MONTHLY UTILITY BILLS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE GENERALLY WE LIVE IN A TEMPERATE AREA.

BUT WE DO HAVE TO SHARE THAT COST TO DISTRIBUTE THIS ENERGY AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURES REQUIRED, EVEN THOUGH WE USE VERY LITTLE OF IT TO ALL OF OUR REGION.

BUT AS HOMEOWNERS, IF YOU WILL, OR AS RESIDENTS, I GUESS THEY SHOULD SAY OUR TOTAL COST OF ENERGY IS 44TH IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE HAVE A VERY LOW COST OF ENERGY IN TERMS OF MONTHLY BILL AND A HIGH COST PER KILOWATT HOUR, BUT WE DON'T USE VERY MANY OF THEM.

SO THAT'S HALF THE PICTURE IS THE HIGH COST.

BUT THE REAL PICTURE IS WHAT ARE WE PAYING PER MONTH AND WE'RE NUMBER FORTY SIX IN THE NATION.

SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT I CAN SUPPORT.

I THINK IT MIRRORS WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS DOING IN TERMS OF THE ADOPTION.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY TO EACH AND EVERY CITIZEN, WE'RE NOT DONE.

DON'T THINK THAT IF WE PASS A RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOOD AND OUR CITY SUPPORTS THAT.

IT'S INCUMBENT UPON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR LIVES AND I FALL DOWN.

I HAPPEN TO LIKE WOODFIRED PIZZA.

I PROBABLY ALWAYS LIKE WOOD FIRED PIZZA, SO I FALL DOWN ON MANY, MANY LEVELS.

BUT I ALSO DO OTHER THINGS.

SO JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE LIVE OUR LIVES, WHAT WE DO AS CITIZENS, AND IN

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WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP AND REDUCE OUR GHG EMISSIONS.

UM, BEFORE I GO ON WITH FINAL COMMENTS, CITY CLERK, I JUST GOT PINGED THAT SOMEBODY HAD PUNCHED NINE AND WASN'T RECOGNIZED.

I'M NOT SURE.

MS. BREWER, OR CITY CLERK CAN WE GO BACK AND RECOGNIZE THEM OR SHALL WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD? IF YOU WISH TO DO SO, WE CAN.

I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE, BUT I WILL CALL FOR THE QUESTION AGAIN.

IS THERE ANY SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF SO, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE TO RAISE YOUR HAND? I DON'T HAVE ANYONE INDICATING THAT.

OK.

WE TRIED.

NEXT, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, COMMENTS? SURE.

THANK YOU.

I AM SO PLEASED THAT WE HAVE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I WENT THROUGH THIS CLIMATE REALITY PROJECT TRAINING EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND WE SPENT SEVERAL DAYS THROUGH VIRTUAL WORKSHOPS AND ROUNDTABLE CONVERSATIONS ON ZOOM, TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO AFFECT CHANGE IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

AND THERE WERE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS.

THERE WERE COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS THAT WERE PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS, AND THERE WERE YOUNG PEOPLE, STUDENTS, TEENAGERS WHO WERE THERE AND JUST CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHO ARE CONCERNED, HEARING ABOUT HURRICANES AND TROPICAL STORMS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE THREAT OF SEA LEVEL RISE, WHICH WE HAVE HAD MANY WORKSHOPS AND WE HAVE LOTS OF INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE ABOUT HEAT RIGHT HERE IN MY AREA NEXT TO LA COSTA RESORT.

THERE'S A SIGN, YOU KNOW, TSUNAMI ZONE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT CLIMATE CHANGE MEANS TO US AS LOCAL RESIDENTS AND HOW IT ACTUALLY AFFECTS OUR LIVES IS REALLY SOMETHING TO TAKE ACTION ON.

AS COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT PERFECT.

WE'RE HUMAN, WE'RE FLAWED, BUT WE CAN TRY TO COMPOST.

WE CAN TRY TO RECYCLE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL PIECES.

AND THEN AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A CITY, WE CAN ENACT POLICY THAT HELPS SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION AND A CLEANER, HEALTHIER ENVIRONMENT TO REDUCE GHG EMISSIONS AND TO HAVE A MORE HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT WITH A GREEN SPACE AND A SMALLER CARBON FOOTPRINT.

SO LUCKILY, WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE AND WE JUST MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM TO HELP MAKE LOCAL CHANGE.

AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS CLIMATE CRISIS.

DID I CALL IT RIGHT? CLIMATE HEALTH EMERGENCY RESOLUTION? BECAUSE I DO RECOGNIZE THAT WE DO HAVE A CRISIS, WE DO HAVE A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, AND IT'S REALLY JUST A STATEMENT.

THIS EXISTS AND WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION IN WHATEVER WAYS THAT WE CAN.

AND WE'LL DECIDE AS A TEAM, AS A BODY HERE, AS A COUNCIL, SOME OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IN THE CITY, BUT HOPEFULLY INDIVIDUALLY, WE'LL ALL TAKE ACTION IN OUR PERSONAL LIVES AS WELL.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.

THANK YOU.

DR.

BHAT-PATEL? SURE.

THANK YOU.

WELL, YEAH, I TOO AM EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS AND SHOW OUR COMMITMENT, JUST LIKE WITH THE PREVIOUS ITEM TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE GROWN UP, I'VE NOTICED THAT WE'VE HAD MORE FIRES THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY IN CALIFORNIA.

I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SOME HERE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD THAT I'VE SEEN WHILE GROWING UP.

ALSO JUST SIMILARLY, I THINK WE'VE SEEN GLOBAL WARMING HAPPENING JUST HOW MUCH WARMER IT'S GOTTEN OVER THE YEARS IN THIS BEAUTIFUL COASTAL TOWN ALSO.

OF COURSE, WE'RE MUCH COOLER THAN SOME OF OUR INLAND CITIES, BUT STILL, I THINK IT JUST SPEAKS TO MANY OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, MANY OF THE OTHER ASPECTS LIKE BLUFF STABILIZATION THAT WE WERE HAVING TO CONSIDER WITH REGARDS TO SEA LEVEL RISE AND MANY OTHER THINGS LIKE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT SAND REPLENISHMENT BECAUSE OF THAT AS WELL.

SO I THINK A LOT OF THINGS REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.

THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO REALLY ADDRESS THIS, AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IS DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DO THAT.

AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S A SYMBOLIC, YOU KNOW, MEASURE FOR US TO JUST SAY, HEY, WE DO BELIEVE IN WANTING TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE LEADERS ON AND COMMIT TO.

AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AND REALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR CALLING

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IN AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS FORWARD.

THANK YOU.

OK, I'M GETTING PINGED ONE LAST TIME FOR THE CITY CLERK TO CALL FOR SPEAKER, SO.

CAN WE DO THAT ONE MORE TIME? THANKS.

FAIR TO THE PUBLIC.

YES, MAYOR.

AT THIS TIME.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR.

NINE.

I DO SEE ONE SPEAKER, MAYOR, OK.

1681.

PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR PATIENCE, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THIS IS KATIE TAYLOR ON THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN DISCUSSING.

I WANT TO START WITH THE INTRODUCTION ON THE CITY'S WEB PAGE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE, AN INTERNATIONAL AGENCY WHOSE REPORTS ARE WIDELY CONSIDERED THE MOST RELIABLE ASSESSMENT OF THE TOPIC.

MY QUESTION IS BY WHO? AL GORE OR OTHER CLIMATE HUCKSTERS? THE IPCC IS A UNITED NATIONS PANEL.

BIASED, LIKE ALL THE UNITED NATIONS PANELS ARE KNOWN FOR, INCLUDING THEIR CLIMATE WARNING PANELS MAKE THE UNITED STATES PAY AGENDA.

ALL THIS CLIMATE HYSTERIA IS TO TAKE CALIFORNIA'S EYE OFF THE BALL.

WHAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE AND NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR ENERGY AND FOR WATER FOR OUR RESIDENTS? WHAT IS NEWSOM'S SOLUTION TO STOP FIRES? TURN OFF THE POWER GRID WHEN IT GETS WINDY.

SOME OF THE POWER INFRASTRUCTURE IS ONE HUNDRED YEARS OLD IN DESPERATE NEED OF UPDATING.

THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION, ESPECIALLY IF THE PERSON HAS YOUR POWER TURNED OFF.

CALIFORNIA IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF NEW WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WITH RESERVOIRS AT A RECORD LOW LEVEL.

50 PERCENT OF OUR WATER JUST GOING OUT TO THE OCEAN.

WHAT IS CALIFORNIA'S SOLUTION? CHANGE ZONING LAWS SO MORE DENSITY.

DEMAND CITIES BUILD NEW HOUSING.

BUT LET ME ASK YOU WHERE IS THE POWER? WHERE IS THE WATER FOR THIS INCREASE? I GUESS UNTIL YOUR POWER GETS SHUT OFF, UNTIL YOU TURN ON THE TAP AT YOUR HOME OR WORK AND NOTHING COMES OUT UNTIL THEN, IT'S MORE FUN TO PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK THINKING YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING BY SUPPORTING AN INITIATIVE.

WHILE THE REAL TIME PROBLEMS MOUNT UP.

A QUOTE FROM A BLACK CONSERVATIVE, "RICH WHITE PEOPLE ARE NATURALLY BETTER ABLE TO AFFORD EXPENSIVE ENERGY SOURCES LIKE SOLAR PANELS OR WIND TURBINES AS THEY HAVE MORE DISPOSABLE INCOME.

YOU HAVE THE SUBSIDIES THAT END UP PAYING FOR SOLAR AND WIND ARE A COST ON ALL SECTIONS OF SOCIETY AND RAISE THE PRICE OF POWER FOR EVERYONE." DID IT KILL THOSE SUPPORT AN INEFFECTIVE CLIMATE EMERGENCY? GET BACK TO WHAT EVERYONE HERE IN CALIFORNIA NEEDS.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WORK ON THE WATER SHORTAGE AND THE POWER GRID.

CALIFORNIA IS RIGHT NOW BEGGING OTHER STATES FOR HELP ON BOTH.

AND WHY SHOULD THEY GET THE HELP? WHEN THEY PASS ONE INEFFECTIVE INITIATIVE AFTER ANOTHER AND THE STRESS ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CONTINUES TO FAIL.

THANK YOU, AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADD MY COMMENTS.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF THE SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OK, MR. BLACKBURN? THIS IS EARLIER I TALKED ABOUT THAT I'M FAR FROM AN EXPERT ON THESE ISSUES, BUT I WANT TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR STAFF, RESIDENT SIERRA CLUB, HAVE ALL TAKEN TIME TO HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND AT LEAST THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT MAYOR ASKED, IS WHAT ARE THE EXPENSES THAT GO WITH THIS? WHAT ARE THE MANDATES THAT GO WITH THIS? AND EVERYBODY TOLD ME THE SAME THING.

THIS IS SYMBOLIC, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS.

WE'VE HEARD RESIDENTS SAY THAT THEY DON'T BUY INTO IT.

WE'VE HEARD RESIDENTS SAY THAT THEY DO BUY INTO IT.

THE MORE I SPEAK WITH THE YOUNGER GENERATION, TOMORROW'S LEADERS.

I FIND THAT THERE IS A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF YOUTH WHO THINK THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

AND MY JOB AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS, NOT JUST MY OPINION OR NOT JUST OPINIONS OF ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

SO BECAUSE THIS IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SUPPORTING THIS, THIS CLIMATE EMERGENCY DECLARATION.

OK, I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS REALLY BRIEF.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS SYMBOLIC, BUT I THINK ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

AND I THINK CARLSBAD HAS BEEN A LEADER FOR OVER 25 YEARS IN CLIMATE CHANGE.

I MEAN, YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO BACK TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND HOW WE STARTED PLANNING

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THIS COMMUNITY OR HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN, NOT TO MENTION THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE REGISTERED ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN CARLSBAD THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TESLA CHOSE US TO LOCATE HERE AND TO GO ON WITH WHAT PETER HAS SAID AND ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAVE PUT SOLAR ON.

AND WE'VE ALREADY MET OUR 2035 GOAL AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED.

SO FOR ME, I MEAN, I BELIEVE IN ACTION MORE THAN I DO IN SYMBOLICS.

SO TONIGHT I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN TO DO SOMETHING.

IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING, LET'S CREATE ACTION, NOT SYMBOLIC.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT.

SO WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE? I THINK DO WE NEED A MOTION FIRST? NO, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WERE.

I MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION CONTAIN AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

LOOKING FOR A SECOND.

I'M SECOND.

I DID, YEAH, I HEARD IT, I HEARD IT, BUT IT WAS VERY TINY.

PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

I'M SORRY.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL? AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN? AYE.

MAYOR HALL? NO.

PASSES 4-1.

SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NINE.

[9. CITY COUNCIL POLICY NO. 92 – ALLOCATION OF CITY RESOURCES RELATING TO COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS – Adoption of a resolution approving City Council Policy No. 92, Allocation of City Resources Relating to City Council Member Requests for Community Meetings. (Staff contact: Sheila Cobian, City Manager Department)]

CITY COUNCIL POLICY 92, ALLOCATION OF CITY RESOURCES RELATING TO COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

MR. CHADWICK? YES, SIR, AND MAKING A PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR LEGISLATIVE AND CONSTITUENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, MS. SHEILA COBIAN.

SHEILA? OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS IN RESPONSE TO A MOTION MADE AT YOUR JUNE 22ND CITY COUNCIL MEETING REQUESTING THAT STAFF PREPARE A COUNCIL POLICY THAT WOULD DIRECT HOW CITY RESOURCES RELATING TO COUNCIL REQUESTS FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE ALLOCATED.

BASED ON THE MOTION MADE BY CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 22ND STAFF DEVELOPED DRAFT COUNCIL POLICY NINETY TWO TO ADDRESS HOW STAFF CAN BEST SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR REQUESTS FOR STAFF RESOURCES WHEN CONDUCTING COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

THE IDEA WAS TO DEVELOP A WAY TO FAIRLY AND EQUITABLY ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO EACH REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER.

THE PROCEDURE IS OUTLINED IN THE POLICY FOR REQUESTING SUPPORT FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS INCLUDES THAT REQUEST SHALL BE MADE THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER WITH A PREFERRED THREE WEEK ADVANCE NOTICE.

STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT EACH DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT UP TO THREE COMMUNITY BASED MEETINGS PER YEAR IN WHICH STAFF RESOURCES MIGHT BE REQUESTED.

A MAXIMUM OF TWO STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS SHALL BE DEDICATED TO EACH MEETING, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OBTAINING THE DESIRED VENUE.

STAFF WILL NOT CREATE COLLATERAL MATERIALS OTHER THAN THOSE CURRENTLY IN INVENTORY.

ALL MEETINGS MUST BE OF DISTRICT OR CITY WIDE CONCERN AND SHALL NOT BE POLITICAL IN NATURE.

IF A MEETING IS REQUESTED IN ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DISTRICT, THE REQUESTING COUNCIL MEMBER MUST SECURE WRITTEN ACKNOWLEDGMENT PRIOR TO SCHEDULING THE MEETING FROM THE DISTRICT'S CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

DUE TO THE CITYWIDE NATURE OF THE POSITION OF MAYOR, THE MAYOR MAY HOLD MEETINGS IN ANY DISTRICT CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY PROVISIONS.

IN SHORT, THE PROCEDURE THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO BE FOLLOWED IS THAT ANY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL MAY MAY REQUEST STAFF SUPPORT OF A COMMUNITY MEETING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER WITH A PREFERRED NOTICE OF THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE DESIRED MEETING DATE.

THE CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN THE APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBER OR CONSULTANT SUPPORT FOR THE REQUESTED MEETING.

LASTLY, ANY REQUEST FOR COMMUNITY MEETING SUPPORT BEYOND THE SCOPE OUTLINED IN COUNCIL POLICY 92 SHALL REQUIRE FORMAL CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL PRIOR TO AUTHORIZATION.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

OK.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

ACTUALLY, ONE JUST POPPED UP.

YES, ONE JUST POPPED UP.

9751.

COULD YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS TRACEY CARMICHAEL, I'M THE CARLSBAD RESIDENT.

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I SEE THIS AS ANOTHER PLATFORM FOR POLITICAL AGENDAS JUST TO BE LAID OUT.

ANY MEETING THAT I'VE EVER ATTENDED FROM ANY ONE OF YOU HAS BEEN POLITICAL IN NATURE, SO I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY AND ENERGY AND STAFF TIME.

SO I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS POSITION TODAY.

THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE ALL THE SPEAKERS.

OK.

QUESTIONS OF STAFF? MR. NORBY? I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FIRST.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MS. COBAIN.

SO THAT THE STATED REASONS THAT YOU GAVE THAT A COUNCIL PERSON COUNCIL MEMBER CAN HAVE A MEETING.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY OR ALIGNED TO SOME ISSUE IN THE CITY.

WHAT IF A PERSON, A COUNCIL MEMBER JUST WANTS TO LISTEN TO A SEGMENT OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND JUST LITERALLY JUST LISTEN? IS THAT? IF YOU'RE NOT REQUESTING STAFF RESOURCES IN THAT CASE, THIS POLICY WOULD NOT APPLY.

SO ANOTHER WAY? THE ONLY TIME THAT THIS POLICY WOULD BE TRIGGERED IS IF YOU'RE REQUESTING CONSULTANTS AND OR STAFF TO ATTEND, MAYBE TO SERVE AS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.

I'LL GIVE A FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE ENDED UP HOLDING THE SAY, HOMELESS MEETINGS WHERE WE ENDED UP HAVING ONE IN EACH DISTRICT.

NOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPONSORED BY THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

SO IN THAT SITUATION, WE WOULD NOT BE TRIGGERED.

BUT IF IN THE EVENT THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO HOLD IN ADDITION TO THAT COMPONENT AND ADDITIONAL, SAY, HOMELESS MEETING WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT TO SURVEY OR HAVE A DISCUSSION, THEN THAT REQUEST WOULD EFFECTIVELY TRIGGER THIS POLICY.

OKAY, I GUESS WHAT I'M GOING AFTER IS THAT IF I WANT TO HOLD A MEETING IN SOME COMMUNITY IN MY DISTRICT AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON IN THAT DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE SOME CURRENT ISSUES AND I'M REALLY JUST THERE TO LISTEN.

BUT I'D LIKE A STAFF PERSON TO GO WITH ME SO THEY CAN ALSO HEAR SOMEONE WHO'S WHO'S KIND OF WORKING, WHETHER IT'S TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC CALMING OR HOMELESS OR WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS.

IS THAT SOMETHING? I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE DISCRETION, MR. CHADWICK, IN TERMS OF AUTHORIZING IT OR NOT AUTHORIZING IT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING YOU A LITTLE BIT IN THE POSITION OF BEING A EDITOR OR A CENSOR IN TERMS OF OUR REQUEST, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S COVERED.

THINK OF IT IS IF THE CITY ENDS UP BEARING A COST, MEANING SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL SALARIED, MEANING THEIR TIME, THEY'RE BASIC MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES, THAT I WOULD SAY ARE EXEMPT.

BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT WE PAY ON AN HOURLY BASIS IN THE EVENT THAT THEY'RE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.

AND THERE'S A REQUEST, EVEN FROM A LISTING PERSPECTIVE.

THE CITY STILL BEARS A COST, SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY TRACK THOSE COSTS AND ENSURE THAT THE EMPLOYEE IS COMPENSATED.

SO IN THAT SITUATION, EVEN FROM A LISTENING PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT COUNCIL USE THIS POLICY.

ANY OTHER? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? YES, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, WHEN I FIRST WAS ON BOARDED, I WENT THROUGH ALL THE MATERIALS AS I'M SURE YOU JUST DID AND I WASN'T THAT CLEAR ABOUT THIS PART OF IT.

AND I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND IN CONTINUING THAT CONNECTION THAT I FELT WITH WITH MY NEIGHBORS WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, WHEN I WAS ASKING FOR THEIR INPUT, ASKING FOR THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.

AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT.

AND SO WE GET INVITED TO GO TO DIFFERENT THINGS AND TALK AND COME TO CHAMBER MEETINGS AND THINGS.

AND I COME TO HOAS AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE DISTRICT AS THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR AREA.

BUT THERE DEFINITELY ARE TIMES WHEN WE WANT STAFF TO BE THERE.

SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, FOR BRINGING UP THAT EXAMPLE.

AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER EXAMPLES.

SO THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD WAS WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKBURN AND I BOTH ATTENDING A MEETING.

AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AND COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKBURN BOTH ATTENDED A MEETING SIMILARLY WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOMELESSNESS IN DISTRICT THREE AND DISTRICT FOUR.

SO I WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T STEPPING ON PEOPLE'S TOES.

AND LIKEWISE, THAT, YOU KNOW THAT WE ALL KIND OF KNEW WHAT THE RULES WERE.

AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICY IN TRYING TO ARTICULATE WHERE

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THERE MIGHT BE SOME LINES DOESN'T RESTRICT US OR GIVE US THE IMPRESSION THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO OUR JOB; RIGHT? THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND ASK FOR THEIR INPUT AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR IDEAS AND PERSPECTIVES WITH US, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE ALREADY FULLY ALIGNED WITH US OR NOT.

IT'S OUR JOB, AS THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES AND AS LEADERS ON THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, TOO.

I KEEP SAYING DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES, BUT YOU'RE AT LARGE.

BUT JUST TO LISTEN, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, LISTEN TO BUSINESSES AND STAKEHOLDERS AND PEOPLE IN CARLSBAD.

SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT WE CAN HAVE AS MANY MEETINGS AS WE WANT AND WE SHOULD BE.

WE SHOULD BE TALKING TO PEOPLE AND ASKING FOR INPUT AND LISTENING TO THEM.

AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADD IN TO THOSE THAT JUST JUST A STATEMENT LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED.

THIS IS JUST FOR STAFF RESOURCES.

IT'S INVITING STAFF TO COME WITH US.

SO FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETINGS THAT I ATTENDED IN LAKESHORE GARDENS, IN MY DISTRICT AND ALSO THE SAN FRANCISCO HOA, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS WHO REQUESTED THE MEETINGS THAT WE BRING WITH US, THE HOT TEAM.

THEY WANTED TO HEAR FROM OUR POLICE OFFICERS THAT WORK WITH THE HOMELESS AND THEY WANTED SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION.

THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS AS WELL AS HOW ME THERE SO THAT WAS TRUE AND THERE WERE COMMUNITY REQUESTED.

SO I AM A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE LIMIT OF THREE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DID REQUEST THOSE MEETINGS AND DID REQUEST THAT WE ATTEND AND THAT WE BRING THE POLICE OFFICERS.

SO I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MR. CHADWICK OR MS. COBIAN.

IF THE COMMUNITY COMES TO US AND SAYS WE HAVE AN URGENT ISSUE AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED WE'D LIKE YOU TO COME AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO BRING STAFF WITH YOU, DO WITH THIS, PROHIBIT THAT OR DO WE JUST WORK ON A KIND OF A CASE BY CASE BY GOING THROUGH YOU MR. CHADWICK OR HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? SO BECAUSE THE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY, THEN THIS EFFECTIVELY WOULD BE A CITY SPONSORED EVENT.

AND THEREFORE THIS POLICY WOULD NOT BE TRIGGERED BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE, THE COMMUNITY HAS REQUESTED THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER AND STAFF TO MAKE A PRESENTATION SO YOU WOULD EITHER IN ATTENDANCE AND STAFF WOULD PRESENT AS REQUESTED.

AND THEN AGAIN, I VIEW THAT AS OUR TYPICAL NORMAL OUTREACH EFFORTS.

IF A COUNCIL MEMBER GENERATES AND WANTING TO HOLD THIS, THEN IF IT'S THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S GENERATING THIS, THEN THAT'S WHERE THOSE THREE MEMBERS OR THREE MEETINGS WOULD BE TRIGGERED BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES.

AND THEN FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WE'D WANT TO FACTOR THAT IN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THAT IS VERY HELPFUL, AND THAT ALSO KIND OF ADDRESSES THE OTHER PART OF MY OR THE SECOND QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK, WHICH IS REGARDING THE ADVANCE NOTICE OF THREE WEEKS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN THE COMMUNITY HAS AN URGENT CONCERN, THERE'S NOT THREE WEEKS LIKE THEY WANT YOU THERE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR THIS WEEKEND TO COME SPEAK TO THEM AND SHARE WHAT IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS THAT HOT ISSUE.

SO MAYBE A LINE COULD BE ADDED IN THAT ADDRESSES THAT.

IT'S A COMMUNITY GENERATED REQUEST FOR THE CITY AND COUNCIL MEMBER TO COME OR TO COME TO SPEAK.

THEN THIS POLICY DOES NOT APPLY.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT IT DOESN'T RESTRICT US FROM INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHO WE'RE HERE TO SERVE.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR INTERACTION AND STAFF INTERACTION.

WE'RE HERE FOR THE PEOPLE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SETTING THESE GUIDELINES SO THAT THERE'S NO OVERSTEPPING AND THERE'S NO PULLING ON STAFF RESOURCES TOO MUCH BECAUSE THAT THEIR TIME IS IS MONEY WE'RE PAYING FOR THEIR TIME.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE GOT TO KIND OF BALANCE IT WITH THE COMMUNITY'S NEED TO SEE US AND HEAR FROM US AND BE ABLE TO GIVE THEIR INPUT TO US AND TO CITY STAFF AS WELL.

SO I JUST IT'S THAT BALANCE THAT I'M LOOKING FOR, AND MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE LIKE A COUPLE LITTLE LINES WE CAN ADD IN THERE TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS THIS REALLY JUST ADDRESSES THE STAFF RESOURCE ISSUE.

IF IT'S COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR GENERATED VERSUS COMMUNITY GENERATED BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE AND BE THERE IF THE COMMUNITY ASKS.

AND, COUNCIL MEMBER, TO THAT POINT, I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE WERE BRINGING THIS

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FORWARD FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AT YOUR REQUEST IN THE EVENT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE THIS AND WE CAN TAKE A WAIT AND SEE APPROACH AND CONTINUE TO MANAGE.

WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT AS WELL BECAUSE AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, THE LAST THING WE WANT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY OR RESIDENTS TO FEEL THAT WE'RE SOMEHOW TRYING TO RESTRICT THIS LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT.

BUT THAT SAID, WE ALSO WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR CONFUSION, WE WANT THIS TO BE AS OPEN AND AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE TO BE SURE THAT WE ALLEVIATE ANY CAUSE FOR CONCERN.

MR. BLACKBURN, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE COMMENTS.

DOCTOR, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SURE.

I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SIMILARLY, I KNOW THAT THIS WAS THIS CAME UP WHEN WHEN WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR HOMELESSNESS AND D3 AND D4, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL CAME ABOUT.

SO JUST FOR HISTORY REASONS AND WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS.

I THINK WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE AWARE OF THAT.

AND I THINK THE BIGGEST PIECE THAT I'D BE CURIOUS TO ASK.

AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MY COLLEAGUES, IS THAT IS THERE A WAY THAT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WE ADOPT AS A COUNCIL THAT WOULD BASICALLY SAY, HEY, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING IN IN, I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF YOUR DISTRICT, SURE.

BUT LIKE, YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY BE ASKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT I DO.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PALATABLE.

I'M OPEN TO HAVING A STRUCTURED POLICY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IN TERMS OF RESOURCES AND ENSURING THAT OUR TEAM ISN'T GOING TO BE STRAPPED.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO EITHER ONE.

I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE AN OPTION OF, HEY, DO WE WANT TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER WHERE WE ACTUALLY WILL COMMIT TO FOLLOWING IT, THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO EVEN CONSIDER GOING INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S DISTRICT THAT WE WOULD CHECK IN WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY AREN'T WANTING TO DO SOMETHING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MAKING SURE THAT IF WE HAVE ANYTHING, WE'RE ALREADY ABLE TO.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO PUT FORWARD AND PUT TOGETHER, WE COULD DEFINITELY REQUEST THAT IF THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR IT, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WHEN WE DID THE HOMELESS HOMELESSNESS MEETINGS.

SO OBVIOUSLY, YES, FORMALIZING IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THEN IT KIND OF EITHER RESTRICTS US TO ONLY HOWEVER MANY MEETINGS OR POTENTIALLY AGAIN, THE THE CITY MANAGER HAVING TO HAVE DISCRETION AND FIGURING OUT ALL OF THAT OTHER HOW AND EVERYTHING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE THIS OPTION AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME THOUGHTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS HISTORY ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND THEN MAYBE SEE IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

QUESTION OF MS. BREWER.

YOU'RE N MUTE.

SORRY.

I WANT TO GO OUT AND MEET THE PUBLIC ONCE A MONTH, AND I WANT TO TRY AND GENERAL THE CONVERSATION I CAN.

IS THAT POLITICAL? I WOULD SUGGEST YOUR RELATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY ARE SORT OF INHERENTLY POLITICAL STAFF SHOULD BE USED WHEN YOU WANT AN OBJECTIVE PRESENTATION ABOUT A PROGRAM OR A POLICY OR SOME OTHER WORK OF THE CITY.

OK.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, JUST AS I'M THINKING THIS THROUGH AND I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF MEETINGS AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM ARE MEETINGS THAT ARE SPECIFIC AND RECENTLY ON HOMELESS.

I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN IN THAT SITUATION, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M KIND OF INCLINED AS THE SPEAKER THAT EVERYONE THAT I'VE EVER BEEN TO FOR MY LAST 20 PLUS YEARS IS ALL BEEN, TO A GREAT DEGREE, POLITICAL IN NATURE.

AND IF I WAS PETER NORBY AND I WAS WANTING TO RUN FOR FOR MAYOR IN THE NEXT ELECTION, I SURE AS HECK WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SPEAK IN ANY COUNCIL DISTRICT, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK SOMEBODY WHETHER I SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, SO EVERYTHING HAS FOR EVERY REQUEST, THERE'S A REACTION TO IT.

SO I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO HAVE STAFF ON SPECIFIC ISSUES, BUT TO HAVE STAFF AT EVERY TIME WE WANT TO GO OUT AND SPEAK TO ME, THAT'S I CAN'T GET THERE.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? YEAH, THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WAS SUGGESTING THAT, AND I CERTAINLY WASN'T.

IF I GAVE THAT IMPRESSION, I WAS NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE STAFF EVERY TIME.

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I WAS ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE A STRUCTURE AND THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES.

AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED.

THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF STAFF RESOURCES AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GETTING PAID TO COME OUT ON A SATURDAY OR WHATEVER TO COME, SPEAK OR EVENING TO COME SPEAK TO THE HOA.

SO I DIDN'T HEAR THAT FROM ANYONE, AND I DIDN'T GET THAT IMPRESSION THAT ANYBODY WANTED STAFF TO COME WITH THEM EVERY TIME.

I THINK OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY ARE PART OF OUR JOB.

AND I MIGHT DISAGREE, HAVING WORKED FOR A STATE SENATOR FOR SEVEN YEARS AND THOSE WERE FOUR YEAR TERMS. I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS EARLY IN MY CAREER AND THEY WORKED TO GET REELECTED.

THEY WERE TO DO OUR JOB TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK WAS.

AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LONG TIME HERE.

I'VE GOT SEVERAL YEARS THAT I'LL BE HERE.

I'M NOT LOOKING.

I'M NOT CAMPAIGNING.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I WHEN I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE, I'M TRYING TO BE A GOOD DECISION MAKER.

AND I THINK TO BE A GOOD DECISION MAKER, YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE AND YOU WANT TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK AND AND INPUT.

SO I'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE MY MEETINGS.

I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT STAFF RESOURCES AT THOSE MEETINGS AND JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE COMMUNITY HAS LIKE A BIG CONCERN, REMEMBER THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHEN SOMEBODY CALLED IN DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ACOSTA AVENUE AND THE STRIPING, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PARK CARS GETTING HIT OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, SAY THAT PERSON SAID, I WANT TO HAVE A MEETING WITH MY HOA, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO COUNT AGAINST MY THREE THAT I'M ALLOWED TO HAVE JUST BECAUSE IT'S A CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEY WANT TO TALK AND HAVE A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS COME TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT GRAY AREA IS.

IF MY NEIGHBORS SAY WE'RE CONCERNED THIS IS AN URGENT ISSUE, WE'RE AFRAID SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET HURT OR WHATEVER OR THE HOMELESSNESS THING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A REAL EXAMPLE THAT HAPPENED.

PEOPLE JUST WANTED TO TALK AND HAVE THE POLICE COME OUT AS WELL AND SHARE SOME CRIME STATISTICS AND MAYBE SHED SOME LIGHT ON SOME MISINFORMATION THAT WAS ON NEXT DOOR AND SHARE THE FACTS ABOUT WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING.

SO THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH WITH SOCIAL MEDIA AND NEXT DOOR AND THAT KIND OF THING, THE RUMOR MILL THAT ALWAYS EXISTS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES THAT OUR NEIGHBORS CALL US AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S THE TRUTH? AND CAN YOU COME SHARE THAT WITH MY NEIGHBORS? SO IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED STAFF RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF GUIDELINES.

AND OF COURSE, ALL THOSE REQUESTS ANYWAY WILL GO THROUGH MR. CHADWICK.

SO I LIKE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING AND I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE CLEAR.

I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE COUCH IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S LIKE, REALLY CLEAR THIS IS ABOUT USE OF STAFF RESOURCES.

I KNOW IT'S IN THERE.

IT JUST LIKE WASN'T FIRST AND WASN'T LIKE FORWARD AND SAYING RIGHT UP FRONT THAT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO STAFF RESOURCES AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU DO ON YOUR OWN AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, AS YOUR PUBLIC OFFICE HOLDER ACTIVITY.

AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU USE LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS TO COUNT AGAINST MY THREE POSSIBILITIES A YEAR.

I MEAN, THINKING BACK OVER THE LAST PERIOD OF YEARS, I CAN'T THINK OF THREE MAJOR ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP IN A YEAR WHERE I FELT THAT I WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO HAVE STAFF THERE TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

SO I HAVE RECENTLY UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE HOMELESS QUESTION AND WANTING TO HAVE THE POLICE THERE.

I TOTALLY GET THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW AND WHERE THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE POLITICAL.

AND TRUST ME, THEY ALWAYS END UP BEING POLITICAL, AT LEAST TO THE ONES THAT I HAVE ATTENDED AND USING STAFF RESOURCES IN THOSE ISSUES.

AND ONE OF US GETTING CAUGHT USING STAFF WHEN IT ENDS UP BEING A POLITICAL CONVERSATION.

DOCTOR? SO A REALLY EASY WAY TO SEPARATE THAT, ESPECIALLY AND SO I CAN, I'M GOING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF MYSELF AND HOW ONE WHEN WE HAD THE HOMELESSNESS CONVERSATION, FOR INSTANCE, A LOT OF FOLKS WERE BRINGING UP POLITICAL ASPECTS AND I ASKED THEM IF YOU CAN PLEASE RESERVE THOSE QUESTIONS FOR WHEN STAFF IS NOT ON SITE, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT OR YOU CAN CONTACT ME DIRECTLY.

THAT'S WHAT I USUALLY DO.

AND SO THE WAY THAT I HANDLE IT IS WHENEVER STAFF IS PRESENT, I DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT ARE POLITICAL IN NATURE.

I WILL USUALLY DO THAT ON MY OWN TIME BY GETTING INFORMATION FROM FOLKS AND CALLING THEM OR ASKING THEM TO CONTACT ME.

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AND I UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE AS SUCH, WHERE IT'S HARD THAT WE WON'T GET ASKED POLITICAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE WILL.

I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT'S ALSO PART OF OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TEAMMATES WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES BUT ARE ALSO DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THEM FROM GETTING IN TROUBLE, LIKE YOU SAID.

AND SO I THINK THE BIGGEST COMMITMENT WE CAN MAKE IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTION, BUT I'M GOING TO GET BACK TO YOU.

I CAN'T ANSWER THAT SINCE THERE IS STAFF PRESENT AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENT WHEN WE'RE HAVING POLITICAL CONVERSATIONS.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT I SAY.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THAT AND ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

AND I THINK AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL COMMIT TO AS A CODE OF CONDUCT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I KNOW NO ONE CAN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE BESIDES THE THE FIVE OF US OR OUR VOTERS.

BUT IF YOU ASK FOLKS DURING THAT MEETING, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S HOW WE CAN DO THAT.

SO.

MR. BLACKBURN, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? I DO.

HAVING BEEN SITTING HERE QUIETLY WITH A THOUSAND THOUGHTS.

FIRST, LET ME START WITH THE COMMUNITY MEETING VERSUS CAMPAIGNING.

YES, THERE'S OVERLAP THAT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME OVERLAP.

BUT WHEN WE'RE GOING OUT WITH THE INTENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND LET ME USE THE EXAMPLE THAT BOTH MS. ACOSTA AND DR.

BHAT-PATEL BROUGHT UP WAS THE HOMELESS ISSUES.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK US POLITICAL QUESTIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO ANSWER THEM.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS WE'RE NOT GOING WITH CAMPAIGN DONATION FLIERS AND VOTE FOR ME FLIERS.

THAT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CAMPAIGN AND A COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK US QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR OPINIONS OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TRY OR WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO ABOUT IT? AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OVERLAP, AND THAT'S JUST PART OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR.

BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME HAVING THIS IN A POLICY.

AND LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF WHY I THINK THAT WE ENDED UP HERE AND WHY MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO BE HERE.

AND I'M NOT REFERRING TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE ON THIS ON THE DAIS CURRENTLY.

BUT IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD SOME ABUSES.

WE'VE EVEN HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK FOR POLICE TO GO WITH THEM ON EVERY MEETING BECAUSE THEY WANTED POLICE PROTECTION AT THE MEETING.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE WERE, IN MY OPINION, A ABUSE OF USING OUR STAFF.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP WHEN WE FIRST WENT TO DISTRICTS, I WAS OPPOSED TO DISTRICTS, BUT I HAD TO COMPLY.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT TIME AGREED TO WAS THAT WE ALL REMEMBER WE'RE ALL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ENTIRE CITY.

JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ELECTED IN ONE DISTRICT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T REPRESENT THE WHOLE CITY.

NOW, WITH THAT SAID, THAT WAS HOW I WENT INTO THIS NEW DISTRICT.

WELL, THEN WE GOT NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAD DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, AND I INADVERTENTLY STEPPED ON SOME TOES.

I WAS INVITED TO SPEAK TO SOME DIFFERENT HOAS, PROBABLY THEY CAME TO ME BECAUSE OF MY POLICE BACKGROUND, AND THEY WANTED TO ASK POLICE RELATED QUESTIONS TO HOMELESS ISSUES.

SO I ACCEPTED INVITATIONS TO HOA MEETINGS IN DISTRICTS OTHER THAN MY OWN.

MY INTENTIONS WEREN'T TO STEP ON TOES, BUT I INADVERTENTLY DID, AND I WAS CONFRONTED BY THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WE HAD A VERY TACTFUL CONVERSATION.

I APOLOGIZED.

BUT NOW KNOWING GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE A COMMUNICATION THAT IF I GET INVITED TO AN HOA, IT'S IN SOMEONE ELSE'S DISTRICT, THEN WE COMMUNICATE, WE TALK ABOUT IT, WE DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO IT TOGETHER.

IF THE PERSON WHO INVITED ME DOESN'T CARE IF IT'S NOT ME AND WANTS TO BE THAT DISTRICT REP, THEN WE WORK IT OUT.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE POLICY ON THAT.

I THINK THAT WE'RE ALL ADULTS WE CAN COMMUNICATE, WE CAN FIGURE OUT OUR WAY THROUGH THIS.

I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THIS UNLESS THE CITY MANAGER SAYS IT'S STARTING TO BE ABUSED, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A MUNICIPAL OR A RULE FOR THIS.

WHEN WE MEET WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, MOST OF THE TIME, WE CAN DO IT ON OUR OWN.

WHEN WE MET WITH PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOMELESS ISSUES, THEN IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE BROUGHT THE HOMELESS OUTREACH POLICE OFFICERS WITH US.

IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES, WE WENT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER.

THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORIZED IT, THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE AND WE DID IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT COMES UP THAT OFTEN.

I THINK MS. ACOSTA IS AN EXAMPLE OF IF THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD PROBLEM AND IT

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HAS TO DO WITH TRAFFIC.

IF SHE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, COULD I HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S AN EXPERT IN TRAFFIC TO ANSWER THE TOUGH QUESTIONS.

I THINK THAT THAT'S COMPLETELY REASONABLE.

SO FOR MY 20 PERCENT, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A POLICY.

I THINK THAT IF IT GETS ABUSED, WE CAN COME BACK AND VISIT THIS.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT'S JUST A COMMUNICATION ISSUE.

AND I'M USING MYSELF AS THAT EXAMPLE.

ONCE I HAD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK TO ME ABOUT IT, I UNDERSTOOD THEIR POSITION AND IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE, THE COUNCIL AGREED TO A LONG TIME AGO.

BUT I'M FLEXIBLE AND I CAN CHANGE THAT, AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT GOING FORWARD.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT.

AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON THIS AND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS.

YOU KNOW, I HEARD I THOUGHT CLEARLY FOR MR. CHADWICK TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

AND THEN I HEAR TO BE THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

SO TO ME, THAT'S TWO HUGELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE PRESENTATION.

IF THERE'S A BURNING ISSUE AND YOU NEED STAFF TO MAKE A FULL ON PRESENTATION OVER A REAL ISSUE.

I WOULD SAY, OF COURSE, AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE MY KEITH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED A POLICY TO DO THAT OR NOT.

AND THEN ALSO, I'VE ALREADY HEARD TWICE TONIGHT FROM TWO PEOPLE SITTING ON THE DAIS THAT THEY ARE POLITICAL IN NATURE.

SO AGAIN, FROM A CITY ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, HELP ME HERE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE GO THERE? WELL.

YOU KNOW, STAFF MAKE PRESENTATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT OUR STAFF IS WELL TRAINED IN THEIR OWN ETHICS AND OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES SO THEY KNOW PERFECTLY WELL, BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE TO ENGAGE IN POLITICAL ACTIVITY.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THIS IS MORE ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED FAIRLY BETWEEN THE DISTRICTS AND THAT THERE'S SOME FORM OF COMMUNICATION.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FORMALIZE THAT COMMUNICATION POLICY, I THINK THAT'S ALL RIGHT, TOO.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE THUS FAR.

SO IT'S REALLY AT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.

THIS ITEM IS HERE BECAUSE OF A COUNCIL MOTION.

OK.

SURE.

MR. NORBY, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? YEAH, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DRY SENSE OF HUMOR.

I INDICATED IN MY APPLICATION THAT I WILL NOT BE RUNNING FOR LOCAL OFFICE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I THINK I HAVE, I GUESS, MAYBE A COMMON CONCERN.

MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE FIVE OF US HAVE TWO CITY EMPLOYEES THAT WE DEAL WITH.

THAT'S THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER.

AND I KIND OF HAVE SOME HEARTBURN ABOUT SETTING UP CITY MANAGER IS THE GREAT CENSOR THE GREAT EDITOR, YOU KNOW? BUT I KNOW THAT HE PLAYS THAT ROLE AND IN MANY OCCASIONS, AND I'M JUST REMINDED OF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S GOODWILL AND TRUST, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE DONE WITH ONE PAGE OR NO POLICY AT ALL.

AND IF THERE'S NOT GOODWILL OR GOOD TRUST, WE COULD WRITE ONE HUNDRED PAGES OF RULES AND WE WOULD PROBABLY VIOLATE SOMETHING IN THOSE HUNDRED PAGES OF RULES.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER HEARING MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AND KNOWING THAT THE CITY IS THAT AROUND FOR 70 YEARS PLUS, IF THIS HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE AND IT WAS AN ISSUE YOU KNOW, RECENTLY WITH ONE OR TWO, BUT IT GENERALLY HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE.

IT'S, I WOULD TEND TO LEAN TOWARDS HIS WAY OF THINKING HERE, AND I WOULD ALWAYS SUPPORT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO DESIRES TO HAVE A STAFF RESOURCE TO TALK ABOUT A HOT ISSUE AND THEIR COMMUNITY TO HAVE THAT RESOURCE.

AND I WOULD TRUST MY CITY MANAGER TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THIS IS A ONE OFF OR ONCE A YEAR OR SOMETHING ON OCCASION THAT HAPPENS, AND I THINK WE'LL ALL KIND OF ABIDE BY THAT.

SO, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE A POLICY IS NEEDED HERE.

OH, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? THANK YOU.

I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL MENTIONED ABOUT OUR COUNCIL CODE OF CONDUCT AND MAYBE JUST KIND OF AGREEING TO HAVE GOOD OPEN COMMUNICATION WHEN IT COMES TO ATTENDING, SPEAKING OR MAKING PRESENTATIONS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S DISTRICTS.

IF WE'RE NOT THAT DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE.

YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING WITH THEM AND HAVING THAT GOOD COMMUNICATION AS TEAMMATES, AS COUNCIL COLLEAGUES.

SO I THINK MAYBE THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR NOW IS ADD THAT INTO OUR DRAFT COUNCIL CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND AND

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KIND OF FOREGO THE OFFICIAL POLICY FOR NOW.

AND IF WE DO HAVE TROUBLES, LIKE IF WE ENCOUNTER SOME CONFLICT, THAT WE CAN BRING THIS BACK AND REMIND EVERYBODY WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION HERE IS THE DRAFT THAT WE LOOKED AT AND MAYBE THAT THAT WILL BECOME NECESSARY AT THAT TIME, BUT MAYBE WE DON'T NEED IT RIGHT NOW, AND INSTEAD WE CAN JUST FOCUS ON HAVING THAT GOOD COUNCIL COLLEAGUE COMMUNICATION.

OK.

SENSING THAT WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING A MOTION ON THIS TONIGHT, AND WE'VE HAD A PRETTY GOOD CONVERSATION ON THIS.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON THIS ITEM? DOCTOR.? YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO FORMALLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR CODE OF CONDUCT OR DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION TO INCORPORATE THAT? YEAH, WE ALWAYS LIKE AND APPRECIATE MOTIONS, AS MY CITY ATTORNEY OFTEN TELLS ME, SO IF I COULD GET A MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT INTO OUR CODE OF CONDUCT AT A FUTURE DATE THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

OK, SO MOVED.

SECOND.

OK.

JUST AS A QUESTION ON THIS.

JUST THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE MOMENT.

IF CAMPAIGNING IN ANOTHER PERSON'S DISTRICT FOR A HIGHER OFFICE, HOW DO WE VIEW THAT? THAT IS OUTSIDE OF BASICALLY OUR AUTHORITY.

WE CAN'T GOVERN CAMPAIGNING IN A DISTRICT.

AGAIN, THAT IS, THERE WILL BE NO CITY RESOURCES THAT WILL BE USED RELATED TO THAT ACTIVITY.

WELL, THIS IS MORE OF A CODE OF CONDUCT, NOT A CITY RESOURCES.

SO I'M HEARING IT SO.

JUST A THOUGHT.

I'M SORRY TO CLARIFY, WE DO HAVE A PENDING CODE OF CONDUCT TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED IN A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS.

IT DOES NOT GOVERN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS OR FUNDRAISING BY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT GOVERNS THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WE WILL GO, WE CAN IF THIS MOTION PASSES, GO AHEAD AND ADD THIS.

BUT MAYOR, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECT THAT'S THAT EXCEEDS THE SCOPE OF THAT CODE OF CONDUCT.

OK.

OK.

DOCTOR? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE INTENT OF THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCLUDE IS REALLY JUST REGARDING STAFF RESOURCES.

THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING AND JUST WITH REGARDS TO CITY RELATED BUSINESS.

OF COURSE, WE UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE FOLKS THAT WILL BE RUNNING FOR OTHER OFFICES AND CAMPAIGNING IN OUR DISTRICT OR WHATEVER ELSE, AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY FREE TO DO SO.

SO THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE CONVERSATION AT HAND.

OK.

SO THE MOTION IS? THE MOTION WAS TO DIRECT STAFF TO INCLUDE IN THE DRAFT CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.

AN ITEM ABOUT COMMUNICATION WHEN WE ARE PRESENTING IN ANOTHER DISTRICT THAT IS NOT THE ONE THAT WE REPRESENT.

IS THAT RIGHT? WE GOT IT? OK.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE SECOND.

OH, THAT WAS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

OK, SO I MOVED AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA SECOND.

THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

OK.

IF EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.

CAN WE PLEASE CALL A ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL? AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN? AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

AYE.

OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 10, PURCHASE A REAL PROPERTY IN NORTH EAST QUADRANT,

[10. PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE RANCHO MILAGRO PROPERTY – Adoption of a resolution identifying the city’s Real Estate Manager as the city’s negotiator responsible for working with the representative for Rancho Milagro, LLC, towards the purchase of real property commonly known as the Rancho Milagro property (APN 209-060-61) and directing staff to schedule a future City Council Closed Session item to provide direction and grant authority to its negotiator regarding the price and terms of payment for the purchase. (Staff contact: Kyle Lancaster, Parks & Recreation)]

COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE RANCHO.

NO, CAN'T SAY IT, THE MILAGRO PROPERTY.

YES, SIR, IN MAKING OUR PRESENTATION IS OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, MR. GARY BARBERIO.

[INAUDIBLE] AS OUR PARK AND REC DIRECTOR KYLE LANCASTER, AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, OUR REAL ESTATE MANAGER, MR. CURTIS JACKSON.

GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU, SIR, AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MANAGER, ATTORNEY AND CLERK, I WILL BE TAKING THE LEAD ON THE PRESENTATION AND MR. BARBERIO AND MR. JACKSON WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END.

I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN NOW.

OK, AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY KNOWN AS

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RANCHO MILAGRO.

AND TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS A BIT OF A LENGTHY AGENDA, BUT I'M GOING TO GO QUICKLY HERE, I REALIZE GETTING LATE TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE BACKGROUND.

WE'RE GOING TO COVER A LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT APPLIES.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY STATUS AND THE CHARACTERISTICS.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT A STAFF OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE, THE HOUSING LAW COMPLIANCE AND NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES POSITION ON THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY.

WE'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT PRIOR OPEN SPACE THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE CITY AND A COUPLE OF CASES PURCHASED.

AND FINALLY, WE'LL WRAP UP WITH FISCAL ANALYSIS AND NEXT STEPS.

BUT BEFORE GETTING INTO THAT, WE'LL JUST COVER THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, WHICH IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION IDENTIFYING THE REAL ESTATE MANAGER AS THE CITY'S NEGOTIATOR, RESPONSIBLE FOR WORKING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM RANCHO MILAGRO, LLC TOWARD THE PURCHASE OF REAL PROPERTY, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE RANCHO MILAGRO PROPERTY APN 209-060-61 AND DIRECTING STAFF TO SCHEDULE A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL CLOSE SESSION ITEM TO PROVIDE DIRECTION AND GRANT AUTHORITY TO ITS NEGOTIATOR REGARDING THE PRICE IN TERMS OF PAYMENT FOR THE PURCHASE.

WITH THAT, I'LL HEAD INTO THE BACKGROUND.

IN 1982, PROP H LIMITED THE CITY'S ABILITY TO PURCHASE PROPERTY, IN PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT EXCEEDED A MILLION DOLLARS IN EXPENDITURE WITH GENERAL FUND MONIES.

HOWEVER, IN 2002, PROP C ALLOWED FOR THE PURCHASE OF NATURAL OPEN SPACE PROPERTIES IN EXCESS OF A MILLION DOLLARS.

THEN IN 2005, THE CITY COUNCIL CREATED A CITIZEN'S AD HOC OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE.

AND IN 2007, THE COUNCIL ACCEPTED THAT COMMITTEE'S RANKINGS ON MULTIPLE PROPERTIES FOR OPEN SPACE POTENTIAL ACQUISITION.

ALSO IN 2007, THE COUNCIL DIRECTED THE EXPANSION OF THOSE RANKINGS AND ONE OF THOSE THREE PROPERTIES THAT THEY REQUESTED.

THE EXPANSION INCLUDED THE SUNNY CREEK AREA.

THAT'S A TOTAL OF 11 PROPERTIES IN ONE AREA.

RANCHO MILAGRO IS ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN THAT SUNNY CREEK AREA.

THE COMMITTEE RANKED SUNNY CREEK AREA AS NUMBER 4OF A TOTAL OF 16 SITES.

AND IN 2008, CITY COUNCIL LIMITED STAFF'S PURSUIT OF THESE PROPERTIES TO WILLING SELLERS, ANY OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION WOULD NEED TO BE FROM A PROPERTY OWNER THAT WANTED TO MARKET IT AND POTENTIALLY SELL IT IN THE CITY.

FAST FORWARD TO 2017, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES.

AND THAT WAS RELATED TO THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN LAWSUIT.

THE CITY WAS TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE PROPERTIES FOR OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION.

SECTION 4.13 OF THAT AGREEMENT FURTHER DETAILS THE REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO OPEN SPACE AND ALL THIS VERBALLY COVER THOSE NOW.

THE CITY IS TO MEET AND COLLABORATE WITH NCA AT LEAST TWO TIMES A YEAR FOR THE PURPOSE OF OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION IN PERPETUITY.

THE CITY IS TO CONSIDER PROPERTIES ON THE COMMITTEE'S RANKING CHART.

AS WELL AS TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE OTHER PROPERTIES, NOT ON THE RANKING CHART.

A MINIMUM OF FOUR MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING WAS SET ASIDE BY THE CITY FOR OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION.

AND THERE WAS NO MAXIMUM FUNDING INDICATED, NOR WAS THERE A TIME LIMIT FOR THIS OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION.

MOVING ON TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OF RANCHO MILAGRO, IT WAS OFFERED TO THE CITY IN JUNE OF 2021, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

IT WAS NOT LISTED THEN, NOR NOW ON THE OPEN MARKET.

THE CITY HAS COMPLETED AN APPRAISAL OF THE PROPERTY.

WE ARE NOT DISCLOSING THAT AMOUNT OR DETAILS OF THE APPRAISAL AT THIS TIME AS GOVERNMENT CODE ALLOWS US TO WITHHOLD THAT UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS ACQUIRED.

AND IN REGARDS TO STAFF, WE DO HAVE AN OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN MEETING ROUTINELY SINCE 2017 AND THE LEGAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS REFERENCED, IT'S COMPRISED OF NINE INTER-DEPARTMENTAL CITY STAFF MEETS FOUR TIMES A YEAR TO REVIEW OPEN SPACE OPPORTUNITIES, AND RANCHO MILAGRO WAS IN FACT REVIEWED FOR ACQUISITION BY THAT COMMITTEE.

REGARD TO THE PROPERTY CHARACTERISTICS, THEY ARE DETAILED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, I WILL JUST COVER THE HIGHLIGHTS QUICKLY.

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IT IS A TOTAL PROPERTY OF 43.58 ACRES.

AGAIN, LOCATED IN THE SUNNY CREEK SPECIFIC PLAN AREA, 13.5 OF THOSE ACRES ARE DEVELOPABLE LAND, WHICH IS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE OTHER 30 ACRES IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS OPEN SPACE LAND.

THERE IS A TENTATIVE MAP APPROVED BY THE CITY UNTIL FEBRUARY 15TH OF 2022.

THERE ARE NO FURTHER EXTENSION AVAILABLE ON THAT TENTATIVE MAP.

ADDITIONAL CHARACTERISTICS IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED IN THE HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN AS A PROPOSED HARD LINE AREA.

IT CONTAINS A CONCEPTUAL ALIGNMENT FOR OUR TRAILS SEGMENT 90, WHICH IS IN THE COUNCIL APPROVED TRAILS MASTER PLAN.

IT ALSO CONTAINS VARIOUS TOPOGRAPHY AND INCLUDING SOME PEAKS WITH VIEWS.

AND ALSO IS A POSSIBLE SOURCE OF WETLAND AND UPLAND MITIGATION.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE IN THE YELLOW OUTLINE TO THE FAR TOP OF THE SCREEN WHERE MY CURSOR IS.

YOU CAN SEE THE TERMINUS OF COLLEGE BOULEVARD AND CANNON ROAD.

AND AS WE MOVE DOWN THE SCREEN, THIS HERE IS EL CAMINO REAL AND THE TERMINUS OF COLLEGE BOULEVARD AT ITS OTHER POINT.

AND THEN AGAIN, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IN YELLOW OUTLINE.

REGARDS TO THE STAFF COMMITTEE REVIEW, WE DID CONSIDER THE SUNNY CREEK AREA RANKING AS NUMBER FOUR OF 16 PROPERTIES.

WE DID ALSO CONSIDER THAT THERE IS A WILLING SELLER IN THIS CASE, CONSISTENT WITH THE 2018 CITY COUNCIL ACTION.

WE ALSO CONSIDERED THAT THIS WOULD RESULT IN A NET INCREASE OF 13.5 ACRES OR THIRTY ONE PERCENT OF OPEN SPACE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

AND LASTLY, THE ACQUISITION IS CONSIDERED BY STAFF TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.

REGARD TO HOUSING LAW COMPLIANCE.

STATE LAW WOULD REQUIRE THAT CHANGES BE MADE TO EXISTING PLANNING DOCUMENTS, IN PARTICULAR, THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING AMENDMENTS WOULD BE NECESSARY.

THAT WOULD BE CHANGING THE DESIGNATIONS OF THAT 13.5 ACRES TO OPEN SPACE.

SB 166 AND SB 330 CAN AND WILL BE SATISFIED.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO AT THIS TIME, HOWEVER, IT CAN BE DONE CONCURRENT WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE AFOREMENTIONED AMENDMENTS.

IN REGARDS NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES POSITION ON THIS MATTER.

ON AUGUST 18, 2020, ONE COMMITTEE STAFF DID MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF NCA.

ULTIMATELY, NCA GOT BACK TO US A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER AND INDICATED THEY DID NOT SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY WITH GENERAL FUNDS.

AND THAT WAS FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.

THEY FELT THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND WILL BE PRESERVED WITH DEVELOPMENT.

THEY BELIEVE THAT OTHER HIGHER PRIORITY LANDS WERE NOT ADEQUATELY PROTECTED YET, AND THAT THERE WAS NO LEVERAGING OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR THE CONSERVATION.

IN REGARD TO PRIOR OPEN SPACE THAT WAS REVIEWED AND PURCHASED BY THE CITY IN TWO CASES.

WE HAVE RECENT EXAMPLES THAT ARE AGAIN DETAILED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND I WILL JUST REFERENCE THEM BY TITLE AT THIS TIME.

PASEO DEL NORTE PROPERTY WAS IN FACT PURCHASED BY THE CITY AT COUNCIL DIRECTION.

THE AURA CIRCLE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION.

THE LUBLINER PROPERTY WAS AUTHORIZED FOR NEGOTIATIONS BY COUNSEL.

HOWEVER, THAT PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO A PRIVATE PARTY AT A HIGHER THAN CURRENT MARKET VALUE.

SO NCA DID SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION OF ALL THREE OF THE ABOVE PROPERTIES.

IN REGARDS TO COUNCIL AUTHORITY FOR THIS ACTION TONIGHT.

CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 54956.8 PROVIDES THAT A LEGISLATIVE BODY MAY HOLD A CLOSED SESSION WITH ITS NEGOTIATOR PRIOR TO THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, CLOSED SESSION AND OPEN SESSION SHALL BE HELD TO IDENTIFY THE CITY NEGOTIATOR, THE PROPERTY OF CONCERN AND THE OWNER'S NEGOTIATOR.

AND THAT IS THE INTENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

IN REGARD TO CURRENT FUNDING, THE OPEN SPACE TRAIL ACQUISITION PROJECT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM HAD A ORIGINAL APPROPRIATION OF FOUR MILLION FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS .

CURRENT EXPENDITURES AND ENCUMBRANCE TOTAL TWO MILLION TWO HUNDRED AND TWO

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THOUSAND FIFTY NINE DOLLARS, LEAVING A FUNDING AVAILABLE BALANCE OF ONE MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED TWELVE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED FORTY ONE DOLLARS.

FOR TONIGHT'S PURPOSE, THERE IS NO DIRECT FISCAL IMPACT IN THE ACTION.

IF THE COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PROCEED AS RECOMMENDED, STAFF WOULD SCHEDULE A CLOSED SESSION FOR PRICING TERMS TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, WHICH I WILL NOT READ IN THE RECORD FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND I WILL STOP SHARING MY SCREEN AT THIS TIME.

DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE OR UNMUTE YOURSELF.

I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OK, QUESTIONS? SO I HAVE A COUPLE.

HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, PART OF NEW STATE RULES THAT WE HAVE TO WHAT IS IT ABOUT 55 UNITS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN? NO, SIR, IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 19.

THERE ARE ONE ACRE SITES? NO, THEY WERE CLOSER TO HALF ACRE IN SIZE.

SO WE HAVE A PLACE TO REALLOCATE THOSE RIGHT NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACQUIRE? I WILL DEFER TO DEPUTY STATE MANAGER GARY BARBERIO ON THAT.

AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AND AS, KYLE.

BRIEFLY EXPLAINED IN THE PRESENTATION WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOSS OF THOSE UNITS UNTIL WE TOOK ACTION TO REZONE AND RE GENERAL PLAN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THE 13.58 ACRES TO OPEN SPACE AND PER THE TWO SENATE BILLS.

WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE GENERALLY CONCURRENT WITH AN INCREASE IN DENSITY ON ANOTHER PROPERTY.

SO WE WOULD NOT BE, WE WOULD BE SCHEDULING THE LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE ON THIS PROPERTY.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS INCREASING RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, WHETHER THAT WAS THROUGH A DENSITY BONUS OR SOME OTHER ACTION OR ASK.

ONE PATH, OF COURSE, OF ACTION OF THE CITY CONTROLS IS OUR HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE.

SO IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY AT THE TIME, WE HAVE ZONED HOUSING, NEW HOUSING ELEMENT SITES, WE WOULD ON THE SAME AGENDA, SAME NIGHT OR SAME MEETING, COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE, THE REZONE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE ON THIS PROPERTY.

SO WE KNOW WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NO NET LOSS OF HOUSING UNIT POLICIES IN THOSE TWO SENATE BILLS.

WE'VE GOT A VEHICLE TO DO THAT IDENTIFIED, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT TONIGHT OR UNTIL WE EVEN WHEN WE PURCHASE PROPERTY, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO EFFECTUATE THAT CHANGE UNTIL WE COME TO COUNCIL WITH THE RESULT IN GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

SO DO YOU FORESEE A FUTURE COST TO DO THAT? STAFF TIME COST.

THAT'S IT.

NOT A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THE CITY.

OK, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE THE PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT OF THAT.

UM, AS I REMEMBER, THERE WAS A ROAD THAT WAS GOING TO GO UP THROUGH THIS PROPERTY THAT ADJOINS OTHER PROPERTIES FURTHER TO THE, WHAT IS IT TO THE SOUTH? IS IT? HOW DOES THE ROADWAY PIECE OF THIS WORK? I'M SORRY.

I'LL ASK MR. BARBERIO TO TAKE THAT QUESTION AS WELL.

SO THERE CURRENTLY ARE NO RECORDED FINAL MAPS, AND IN THE SUNNY CREEK AREA, THERE ARE PRIVATE EASEMENTS.

THIS PROPERTY HAS A APPROVED TENTATIVE MAP THAT WOULD TAKE ACCESS FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BUT IT DOESN'T.

IT ISN'T NECESSARY, FROM A SUBDIVISION STANDPOINT TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO OTHER PROPERTIES.

SO IF THE PROPERTIES WELL, THE PROPERTIES YOU MENTIONED TO THE RIGHT, I GUESS THAT

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DIRECTION IS PROBABLY SOUTHEAST OR SOUTH FROM THE PROPERTY SITE.

THEY HAVE CURRENT EASEMENT RIGHTS TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY.

AND IF THEY WERE TO SUBDIVIDE IN THE FUTURE AND THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL ACCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SECURE THAT DIFFERENTLY, POSSIBLY.

RIGHT NOW, THIS THE MAP DOESN'T PROVIDE ACCESS TO ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, THOUGH.

SO LOOKING AT THE EXHIBITS, THERE'S THREE MAPS ROUGHLY IN THE PACKET WHERE IS SUNNY CREEK ROAD IN THAT? AND IS THAT ON? GO THROUGH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SHARE MY SCREEN? PLEASE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SUNNY CREEK ROAD IS NOT A DEDICATED CITY ROAD IN THAT AREA, BUT IT IS GENERALLY LOCATED.

KYLE'S PULLING UP THE AERIAL SHOT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE DARKER GREEN AREA AT THE LOWER EXTENT OF THE YELLOW OUTLINE.

SO OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S PEOPLE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT, IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A HARD LINE OPEN SPACE, HOW DOES THE ROAD IN ALL THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEIR ARE ACCESS? HOW DOES ALL THAT, HOW DOES ALL THAT WORK? SO IT IS A.

SO THERE'S A TENTATIVE MAP ALREADY APPROVED ON THIS PROPERTY, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND THE 13 ACRES THAT IS RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNATED STILL IS IN THE UPPER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

YES, THANK YOU, KYLE.

UP IN THAT AREA, THE LOWER 30 ACRES, INCLUDING ALL OF THE RIPARIAN AND CREEK CORRIDOR AREA WHERE SUNNY CREEK, THE DIRT ROAD RUNS THROUGH THERE NOW.

THAT'S ALL IN ALREADY IN GENERAL, PLAN TO OPEN SPACE AND IS A DRAFT HARD LINE THAT WOULD BECOME A HARD LINE ONCE IF AND WHEN THE MAP, THE TENTATIVE MAP WAS RECORDED.

SO IF THEY HAVE PRIVATE EASEMENT RIGHTS TO ACCESS THROUGH THAT PROPERTY NOW, THAT WOULD CONTINUE.

BUT FUTURE SUBDIVISION OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH WOULD LIKE WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE ACCESS THROUGH OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY AND SECURE THOSE RIGHTS IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO SUPPORT MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT THAN IS CURRENTLY ON THOSE SOUTHERN PART PROPERTIES NOW.

VERY SIMILAR.

THE LUBLINER PIECE THAT THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED AND WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN NEGOTIATING IT WAS GENERALLY LOCATED JUST NORTH OF THIS ACQUISITION.

THERE WAS ONE SMALL PARCEL IN BETWEEN.

AND SAME, SIMILAR QUESTIONS THERE, WITH ONE PROPERTY GOING TO ALL OPEN SPACE.

THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT UPON SOME DIVIDING THEIR PROPERTY, HOW THEY WOULD NEGOTIATE AND ACQUIRE ACCESS TO SUPPORT INCREASED DENSITY OVER WHAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE EXISTING TODAY.

SO WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON COLLEGE IF THIS IS NOT DEVELOPED? HOW MUCH OF THIS LAND WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY IMPACT FEES ON COLLEGE AVE? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW COLLEGE IS GOING TO BE FINANCED AND HOW THAT SPREAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF IT WAS TO BE BASED ON A PER DWELLING UNIT BASIS, THIS PROPERTY REPRESENTS 19 UNITS, SO THERE WOULD BE 19 LESS UNITS, POTENTIALLY IN THE SUNNY CREEK AREA OF WHICH TO SPREAD THAT COST OF COLLEGE ACROSS.

THAT'S ONE SCENARIO.

ANOTHER SCENARIO IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN SUNNY CREEK COULD BE THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE RECEIVER SITE FOR THE NO NET LOSS CHANGE WE'LL NEED TO MAKE.

SO THERE MAY NOT BE A NET LOSS IN THE SUNNY CREEK AREA AS A WHOLE.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT THIS PROPERTY REPRESENTS 19 DWELLING UNITS.

HAVE WE CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTHEAST ON BESIDES THIS AGENDA ITEM? DID WE NOTICE THE PEOPLE TO THE SOUTHEAST THAT WE MAY BE ACQUIRING THIS AND IT MAY HAVE IMPACTS ON THEIR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? NO, SIR.

NO.

NO, WE DID NOT.

OK.

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THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA ? THANK YOU.

WE LOVE OPEN SPACE.

AS [INAUDIBLE] AND WE LOVED TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT WE'RE PRESERVING HABITAT AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT MUCH OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO PRESERVE THE HABITAT ANYWAY; RIGHT? SO I SAW THE NOTE FROM NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES IN HERE WHERE THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULDN'T SUPPORT USING GENERAL FUNDS TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO I GUESS I READ THAN COMMENTS.

I GUESS I'M ASKING A QUESTION, MR. BARBERIO.

IS THAT? NO.

DO WE APPEAR TO BE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, SO JUST HOLD ON.

TAKES 90 SECONDS TO REBOOT.

WE DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING.

THIS IS A REALLY HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE QUESTION.

HMM.

GARY, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE A SHOT, SEE IF YOU GET IT RIGHT? I COULD, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER ASKING THE QUESTION.

MAY I SUGGEST THAT WHEN.

WE MOVE ON TO OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I ALSO DON'T WANT THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO MISS OUT ON ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATIVE QUESTIONS THAT OCCUR.

I THINK SHE'S WORKING ON TRYING TO GET BACK RIGHT NOW.

I WILL MENTION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS PLANNING ON SHARING ALL OF HER KEEN INTEREST ON WHERE SHE IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, SO THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FILL THE DISCUSSION.

HERE SHE IS.

AND HERE IS COUNCIL MEMBER.

PLEASE RESTATE YOUR QUESTION.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE PROPERTY WAS ALREADY PRESERVED THAT WE COULD JUST PURCHASE THE OTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES REASON FOR NOT SUPPORTING THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE WAS THAT A LOT OF THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED.

SO IN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, I WOULD SAY THAT 30 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY HAS A CURRENT GENERAL PLAN, DESIGNATION AND ZONING DESIGNATION AS OPEN SPACE.

IT ISN'T WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER PRESERVED FROM A HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN STANDPOINT, YET .

THAT WOULD OCCUR IF AND WHEN THE TENTATIVE MAP THAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY GOT RECORDED.

ONE OF THE RECREATION REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE THAT THEY DEVELOP THEIR HABITAT MANAGEMENT, PRESERVE PLAN, PUT UP THE ENDOWMENT AND THINGS TO PRESERVE AND CARE FOR THAT PROPERTY BIOLOGICALLY.

SO THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WAS OFFERED TO THE CITY.

I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER THE OWNER WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JUST SELLING THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.

SO OUR LIGHTS JUST WENT OUT, BUT THAT'S A TIMER.

IT'S NOT A POWER OUTAGE.

HAVING HAVEN'T LOST ACTUALLY IS IT MAKES ME LOOK LESS DARK, ACTUALLY.

SO THEY OFFERED US THE WHOLE PROPERTY.

THEY WEREN'T OFFERING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL JUST THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.

I THINK IF THE CITY DOESN'T PURSUE THIS ACQUISITION, YOU KNOW, I'M SPECULATING A LITTLE BIT, I'M NOT THE SELLER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE OPEN MARKET AND OFFER THE WHOLE PROPERTY TO SALE TO THE OPEN MARKET.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO JUST PURCHASE THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.

CAN I ASK THE QUESTION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, IF I COULD? IF A DEVELOPER WAS TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.

WHAT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY IN REGARDS TO THE OPEN SPACE?

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DOES HE HAVE TO BRING IT TO STANDARDS AND MAINTAIN IT IN PERPETUITY OR HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT A DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO DO IF HE CHOOSES TO DEVELOP THIS LAND? IF THEY RECORD, WHOEVER RECORDS THE FINAL MAP, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEVELOP A HABITAT PRESERVE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENSURE WHICH IS GENERALLY ENDOWING THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE IN PERPETUITY TO THE HMP STANDARDS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DO.

AND SO IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, WHAT KIND OF COST IS THAT TO US? SO.

OUR PURPOSE HERE TONIGHT, SO LET ME JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, SO WE'RE HERE ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE WE HAD A WILLING SELLER.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE A PAST COUNCIL AFTER PROP C WAS PASSED CREATED THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE, THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE.

THIS SITE WAS NOT ON THEIR INITIAL LIST.

A PAST CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY ADDED ALL 11 SUNNY CREEK PROPERTIES ONTO THE LIST AND THEN THEY USING THE CRITERIA THAT THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPED FOR RANKING PROPERTIES THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED.

THE SAME CREEK PROPERTIES WERE RANKED NUMBER FOUR.

THE COUNCIL ALSO GAVE US DIRECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T BRING US OPEN SPACE PURCHASES UNLESS YOU HAVE A WILLING SELLER.

SO THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE LIST THAT WAS APPROVED BY A PAST COUNCIL.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NCA CITY LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT.

WE HAVE A WILLING SELLER, BUT WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO DO TONIGHT IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO DIRECT US, TO IDENTIFY OUR NEGOTIATOR, IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY, IDENTIFY WHO WE'D BE NEGOTIATING WITH AND THEN DIRECT US TO SCHEDULE THIS FOR A CLOSED SESSION JUST TO DISCUSS PRICE AND TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF AN OFFER WE MIGHT PUT FORWARD.

WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THAT OFFER FORWARD AFTER A CLOSED SESSION, DEPENDS ON THE DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL THERE.

WITH ALL OPEN SPACE PURCHASES, THERE ARE OBLIGATIONS THAT COME TO THE CITY FOR MAINTAINING THAT PROPERTY.

TWO DOORS TO THE NORTH, YOU GAVE US AUTHORIZATION TO PURSUE THE LUBLINER PROPERTY.

VERY SIMILAR SITUATION, EXCEPT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RECORDED MAP, BUT SOME OF THE PROPERTY WAS ALREADY GENERAL PLANNED OPEN SPACE.

WE DIDN'T.

WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN THAT PROPERTY, THAT SUNNY CREEK PROPERTY, BUT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH YOUR DIRECTION ON THE AURA CIRCLE PROPERTY.

EXACT SAME SITUATION.

A PROPERTY OWNER WAS WEEKS AWAY FROM RECORDING THEIR FINAL MAP ON A SUBDIVISION APPROVAL THAT WAS ABOUT A 14-15 ACRE PURCHASE WITH ABOUT THREE OF IT RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNATED, SO SIMILAR TO THIS, SO THE PERCENTAGE HERE OF ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE IS ABOUT 30 PERCENT.

AURA CIRCLE IS 17 PERCENT.

BUT WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE DO TAKE ON THE OPEN SPACE OBLIGATIONS MOVING FORWARD.

BUT IN EXCHANGE FOR TAKING ON THAT OBLIGATION, THE CITY ENDS UP WITH A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE IF WE JUST GOT THE NORMAL OR TYPICAL EXACTIONS THROUGH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS SCENARIO IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WENT THROUGH ON VILLAGE H.

WE ULTIMATELY ENDED UP NOT PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY, BUT IT WAS PART OF A SETTLEMENT.

WE TOOK ON THE RESPONSIBILITY SIMILAR TO AURA CIRCLE ACQUISITION AND ALSO THE LUBLINER THAT POSSIBLE ACQUISITION THAT WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET ALL THE COSTS, SO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SHOWING US A COST TONIGHT, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A BIG NUMBER AFTERWARDS TO OFFSET TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES ON A ROAD THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING OURSELVES AND LIMITING OUR ABILITY TO RECOUP COSTS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT TO THE SAME STANDARD, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A $1000 NUMBER, IF THAT'S A MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THIS AND ESPECIALLY NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES.

I MEAN, THEY ARE PRO, PRO.

LET'S ACQUIRE OPEN SPACE AND IT GIVES ME GREAT PAUSE WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HESITATE.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH WHAT ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

AND I'M SORRY, GARY, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THE REASON REAL ESTATE NEGOTIATIONS QUALIFY FOR AN EXCEPTION FROM THE BROWN ACT IS SO

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THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PUT THE CITY AT A DISADVANTAGE IN DISCUSSING YOUR PRICE IN TERMS IN OPEN SESSION.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY UNDER THE LAW TO DISCUSS YOUR PRICING TERMS IN CLOSED SESSIONS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT AT A DISADVANTAGE IN NEGOTIATIONS.

YOU JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL OF THAT.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD VERY EXCELLENT QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD BE ADDRESSING FOR THE COUNCIL IN CLOSED SESSION, IF SO DIRECTED MR. NORBY? YEAH, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONING, IT BROUGHT UP A QUESTION FOR ME.

CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE BASED UPON THE INPUT YOU RECEIVED FROM NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES WHAT THEIR MAIN OBJECTION WAS? BECAUSE FROM MY SENSE WAS, IT WASN'T THE TOP ONE OR TWO THREE SITES, IT WAS THE FOUR SITES.

AND THEY WANT TO DIRECT RESOURCES TOWARDS THE TOP ONE, TWO, OR THREE SITES, BUT THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE.

IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AM I MISSTATING THAT OR CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE IT AT ALL? AND IF YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T.

UM.

I CAN'T CHARACTERIZE IT, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOUR CHARACTERIZATION IS NOT ON POINT.

IT'S NOT ON POINT ON? ON POINT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

OK.

WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, COUNCIL? MR. NORBY? YEAH, I'LL JUST START OFF WITH COMMENTS, I WE GET INTO IT.

I THINK WE ENTER THE NEGOTIATIONS AND I HOPE WE HAVE SUCCESSFUL AND PRODUCTIVE NEGOTIATIONS WITH A PRODUCTIVE OUTCOME.

BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE REVEALED DURING THAT PROCESS AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF OTHER INFORMATION THAT COMES TO BEAR.

AND I THINK IT'S OUR STAFF THAT HAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE ATTEMPTED THIS AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND WE HAVE ATTEMPTED THIS AND HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

AND SO THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME OF THIS IS UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

BUT I PERSONALLY, FOR 20 PERCENT OF MY VOTE AND I'D LIKE TO GET INTO IT.

MS. ACOSTA, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENT? SO I THOUGHT I SAW MR. BLACKBURN UNMUTE.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT I DON'T WANT TO END IT HERE.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE IN CLOSED SESSION AND AT THAT POINT WE CAN STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY NO.

OK.

IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT, CAN WE CALL FOR THE QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY? AYE., COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL? AYE.

PRO TEM BLACKBURN? AYE.

MAYOR HALL?

[11. SOUTH CARLSBAD BLVD PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN – 1) Receive a report about public engagement in the creation of a vision for Carlsbad Boulevard south of Manzano Drive to La Costa Avenue as well as the design of a one-mile segment related to the South Carlsbad Boulevard Climate Adaptation Project; and 2) Provide direction to staff as desired. (Staff contact: Kristina Ray, Communications & Engagement)]

AYE.

SO THIS ITEM PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO SOUTH CARLSBAD ITEM 11 SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN.

MR. CHADWICK? YES, AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT DIRECTOR MS. CRISTINA RAY.

GIVEN THAT THIS ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD BEFORE CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK AND WE HAD MADE MODIFICATIONS OR CHANGES.

DO COUNCIL DESIRE OR PRESENTATION, OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE OUTCOME? I THINK MULTIPLE THUMBS UP.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR BEFORE WE GET INTO A MOTION.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THIS AGENDA ITEM IS THE COASTAL CORRIDOR THAT IS REALLY THE ROAD RIGHT-O-WAY.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STUDYING IN THIS MOTION? YES.

OK.

NO, NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

MR. BLACKBURN, IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED.

I MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM NUMBER 11.

SECOND.

OK.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MAY I TAKE THE SPEAKERS FIRST? OH, I AM SO SORRY.

YES, YES.

THANK YOU.

IF ANYONE.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

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THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS, MAYOR, I'LL TAKE ROLL.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? AYE.

[12. MARY LUCID’S APPEAL OF THE FOURTH NOTICE OF SUSPENSION FROM THE CARLSBAD SENIOR CENTER – Adoption of a resolution denying the appeal and upholding the decision of the City Manager to suspend Mary Lucid from the Carlsbad Senior Center for a period of six months. (Staff contact: Kyle Lancaster, Parks &Recreation)]

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL? AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN? AYE.

MAYOR HALL? AYE.

PASSES UNANIMOUS.

ITEM 12? I, MAYOR.

I SEE A HAND-RAISED.

I'M SORRY ABOUT.

YES, DR BHAT-PATEL? JUST BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF ON THAT ONE.

I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GET INTO COMMENTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

I KNOW THAT WE ASKED YOU TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND THIS IS A REALLY GREAT OPTION.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OK, I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY ELSE'S HANDS, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 11.

MR. CHADWICK, INTRODUCTIONS.

YES, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I SHOULD SAY GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

BEFORE TODAY IS THE APPEAL OF OCEANSIDE RESIDENT MARY LUCID'S FOURTH SUSPENSION FROM THE CARLSBAD SENIOR CENTER.

THE PROCESS WILL BE AS FOLLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL ADVISE YOU ON THE CITY'S LEGAL OBLIGATIONS.

MS. LUCID WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO PROVIDE THE BASIS FOR APPEAL.

AS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SIGNED THE LETTER, I'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE CITY'S REASON AND RATIONALE FOR THE LATEST SUSPENSION AND THEN STAFFING WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

COUNCIL WILL THEN DELIBERATE AND ISSUE A FINAL DECISION.

THAT SAID, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.

MADAM CITY ATTORNEY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL AS AN EMPLOYER AND REMIND YOU THAT THE CITY HAS A LEGAL OBLIGATION AS AN EMPLOYER TO PROVIDE ALL OF YOUR EMPLOYEES WITH THE WORK ENVIRONMENT THAT IS FREE FROM HARASSMENT, INCLUDING PREVENTING HARASSMENT OF CITY EMPLOYEES BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

TO FURTHER THAT OBLIGATION, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED A RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE AND NONDISCRIMINATION POLICY AND ALSO A SENIOR CODE OF CONDUCT WHICH PROHIBIT THREATENING, DISTURBING, OFFENDING, INTIMIDATING OR HARASSING OTHERS, INCLUDING STAFF.

WHILE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC UNQUESTIONABLY HAVE A CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT RELATING TO SPEECH.

THE GOVERNMENT MAY IMPOSE CONTENT, NEUTRAL TIME, PLACE OR MANNER RESTRICTIONS ON CERTAIN PUBLIC FACILITIES, PROVIDED THAT THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE NARROWLY TAILORED TO SERVE A SIGNIFICANT GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST AND LEAVE OPEN AMPLE ALTERNATIVE CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION.

SO EXAMPLES OF REASONABLE TIME, PLACE OR MANNER RESTRICTIONS ARE THE CITY'S RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE POLICY AND SENIOR CENTER CODE OF CONDUCT.

SO THE PROPOSED TEMPORARY SUSPENSION IS TO STOP PROHIBITED BEHAVIOR, NOT SPEECH, AND THE ACTION TO BAR MS. LUCID FROM THE SENIOR CENTER ALSO LEAVES OPEN NUMEROUS ALTERNATIVE CHANNELS FOR COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITY, INCLUDING TESTIFYING BEFORE THIS CITY COUNCIL.

NOTHING RESTRICTS THAT ABILITY IN THE FUTURE.

THEREFORE, THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS WHETHER SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THE MANAGER'S CONCLUSION THAT MS. LUCID'S BEHAVIOR VIOLATED EITHER THE CITY'S RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE POLICY OR THE NONDISCRIMINATION POLICY OF THE SENIOR CENTER CODE OF CONDUCT.

IN ADDITION, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER REVIEWING WHETHER THE LENGTH OF THE SUSPENSION IS APPROPRIATE.

AND WITH THAT, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO YOUR LEGAL OBLIGATIONS IN THIS SETTING, WE'LL PROCEED.

SO MS. BREWER, IF I COULD HELP.

HOW MUCH TIME DOES MISS LUCID HAVE TO SPEAK? FIVE MINUTES UNDER OUR CODE, SIR.

OK, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT.

OK.

MR. CHADWICK YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO STATE AT THIS TIME.

YES.

MISS LUCID PRESENTS FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL BE PROVIDING THE CITY'S POSITION.

OK.

MS. LUCID? CITY CLERK.

THIS IS.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MARY LUCID, AND I AM ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD THE HIGH STANDARDS OF SERVICE PROMOTED BY THE CITIZENS ACADEMY.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE EXCELLENT SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA AND OVERREACT.

BEFORE I ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES, I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU TWO STORIES AND REMIND YOU THAT I HAVE REPORTED MARGARET HAMER TO HUMAN RESOURCES TWICE FOR UNPROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR.

BUT I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT OPENING THE SENIOR CENTER TO UNVACCINATED FOUR TO 12 YEAR OLDS TO MAKE MONEY.

AND CLOSED DOWN A WING OF THE SENIOR CENTER.

THESE FOUR TO 11 YEAR OLDS WENT TO A SPORTS CAMP AND THEIR PARENTS PAID $193 PER CHILD, PER WEEK.

AND I QUESTION THE JUDGMENT OF HAVING UNVACCINATED PEOPLE NEAR SENIORS WHO ARE MORE VULNERABLE.

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SECOND STORY.

THE GRAND OPENING OF THE SENIOR CENTER, A RED RIBBON PR EVENT.

IT WAS HANDLED POORLY BECAUSE SENIORS WERE LEFT STANDING OUTSIDE THE CAFETERIA AND COULDN'T GO IN UNTIL THEY WERE PROPERLY CHECKED OFF, NOT WITH THEIR FRIENDS, BUT ALPHABETICALLY IN THE ORDER THEY HAD REGISTERED.

SO SOME PEOPLE LEFT AND SAID, HECK WITH THIS.

SO IT WASN'T A VERY FRIENDLY OPENING.

AND WHEN THE SENIORS WERE ALLOWED TO ENTER, THE CAFETERIA, WHILE THE BRASS WERE OUT CUTTING RIBBONS AND BEING ON TV.

THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED WITH THE TV DINNER AND THE ICE CREAM SANDWICH FOR DESSERT.

AND THE PLASTIC FORKS ALSO.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TELL A SENIOR WHO GOES TO CARLSBAD.

THEY HAVE TO BRING THEIR OWN FLATWARE.

THIS EXAMPLE OF THE BRASS, MARGARET HAMER, MIKE PACHECO AND KYLE LANCASTER COMING INTO THE ROOM AND NOT GOING TO THE MICROPHONE TO SAY WELCOME BACK.

THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIAL AND NO SALADS.

THEY PAID $5 A MEAL PLUS.

AND THEY CAN'T EVEN BUY SALADS? THERE ARE PROFESSIONAL FOOD HANDLERS, THERE.

THEY'RE GIVING THE IMPRESSION THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE SENIORS AND THEY WEREN'T TALKING TO THE SENIORS.

UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WHY THE SENIOR CENTER MANAGER DOESN'T SPEAK TO PEOPLE.

THE THIRD STORY INVOLVES THE ART GROUP.

WE WERE IN THE ART GROUP, A BLACK YOUNG WOMAN CAME IN.

HER RELATIVE, I GUESS WAS GOING TO THE MOVIE.

SHE CAME IN WITH A BABY UNDER A YEAR OLD AND PLOPPED THE BABY DOWN ON A CHAIR WITH NO CAR SEAT AND NO, NO BACK TO THE CHAIR.

I WENT TO GET MARGARET AND LET HER DEAL WITH IT.

HER RESPONSE, HER ABILITY TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE, WAS TO FIRST TELL THE WOMAN SHE COULDN'T STAY, THE BABY COULDN'T STAY, THE BABY HAD TO BE IN A CAR SEAT, NOT SITTING ON A CHAIR.

AS ALL OF US IN THE ROOM WERE TRYING TO REMEMBER THE CPR AND FIRST AID.

THEN SHE TOLD THE LADY NICELY, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.

THIS BEAUTIFUL, LOUD AND PROUD BLACK COLLEGE STUDENT SAID NO.

THE FIRST THING THAT MARGARET DID WAS RESORT TO ORDERING HER TO LEAVE, OR SHE WAS GOING TO CALL THE POLICE.

SO HER METHOD OF APPROACHING PEOPLE IS TO ASK NICELY ONCE AND THEN THREATEN.

YOU HAVE 25 SECONDS, MARY.

OH, GOD.

ALL RIGHT.

FIRST OFF, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, I DID NOT AGGRESSIVELY APPROACH RECREATION MANAGER MARGARET HAMER.

SHE CAME UP TO A GROUP OF US IN THE THING, IN THE DINING ROOM, AND SHE WAS FILMING US WITHOUT SAYING HELLO OR ASKING PERMISSION OR.

THOSE ARE FIVE MINUTES, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT, THEN THE NEXT PORTION WILL BE THE CITY'S DEFENSE, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD MENTIONED, THE QUESTION FOR COUNCIL IS WHETHER.

MR. CHADWICK? YES? JUST A SECOND MISSION, NORBY.

DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND FOR A MOMENT? YOU'RE ON MUTE, MR. NORBY, THE SAME AS I WAS.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, MR. CHADWICK.

THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE, I DON'T THINK THIS HAPPENS VERY OFTEN IN CARLSBAD.

DAY TO DAY EVENTS, I REALIZED WE GAVE THE SPEAKER FIVE MINUTES.

IT'S IN MY DISTRICT AND I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE HER WITH ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE TO WRAP UP AND SUMMARIZE HER REMARKS.

HOPEFULLY, SHE'S STILL HERE.

YOU STILL ON THE LINE? WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? ONE THUMB UP.

TWO THUMBS UP.

THANK YOU.

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I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT IS ACTUALLY SPECIFIED IN YOUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

HOWEVER, THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADOPT AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE BECAUSE IT IS A PROCEDURAL RULE.

IF IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS.

I WOULD NEED A MAJORITY VOTE, A MAJORITY VOTE OR A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON SPEAKERS.

OK.

OH WELL, THIS ISN'T YOUR NORMAL EXTENSION OF A SPEAKER.

I GUESS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AS A WAIVER OF A PROCEDURAL RULE AS OPPOSED TO EXTENSION OF A SPEAKER.

IF IT'S A MAJORITY, THAT'S OK.

I JUST I'M CHECKING THE RULE.

OK, SO MR. NORBY, WE MADE THE MOTION, I'M ASSUMING MS. ACOSTA SECOND THE MOTION.

CALL ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL? AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN? NO.

MAYOR HALL? NO.

PASSES THREE-TWO.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

ONE MINUTE.

MARY LUCID, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE EXTRA TIME TO ASK YOU TO APPOINT SENIORS TO SETTLE THESE ISSUES WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BY MANAGEMENT AND THEIR USE OF PEJORATIVE STATEMENTS.

I NEVER THREATENED HER.

I NEVER MOVED FROM THE TABLE AND THERE WERE ALREADY PHOTOS UP THERE.

SHE SEEMS TO BE VERY NERVOUS AROUND ME OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

AND I THINK THE TIME INVOLVED IS WAY, WAY OUT OF LINE, ESPECIALLY FOR A SENIOR CITIZEN AND ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

KEVIN GRANTSKI MADE THE EMPLOYEES DO THEIR JOBS WITHOUT SAYING, I'M NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT PERSON BECAUSE SHE'S HARASSING ME.

THE USE OF ADULTS AND COMMUNICATION.

IT'S AN ASSET.

OK.

MR. CHADWICK, PLEASE CONTINUE.

CERTAINLY, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, THE STANDARD IS WHETHER SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THE CITY MANAGER'S CONCLUSION THAT MS. LUCID'S BEHAVIOR VIOLATED EITHER THE CITY'S RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE OR NONDISCRIMINATION POLICY.

WITH THAT SAID, I DO PLAN ON I'VE GOT SEVERAL INSTANCES AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW TO PROVIDE YOU THAT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE NECESSARY FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO DATING BACK TO, MY APOLOGY, DATING BACK TO 2016, STAFF HAVE BEEN ON THE RECEIVING END OF HARASSING AND ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL.

AS THE EMPLOYER, I HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THE WORKPLACE IS FREE FROM SUCH BEHAVIOR.

THIS OBLIGATION COMES FROM ASSEMBLY BILL 2053, WHICH WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, 2015, WHICH MANDATED THAT EMPLOYERS NOW PROVIDE ANTI-BULLYING TRAINING AIMED AT ENSURING A WORKPLACE IS FREE FROM ABUSIVE CONDUCT.

ABUSIVE CONDUCT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS BULLYING, IS DEFINED AS CONDUCT WITH MALICE, WHICH A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD FIND HOSTILE, OFFENSIVE AND UNRELATED TO THE EMPLOYEE'S OR THE EMPLOYER'S LEGITIMATE BUSINESS INTERESTS.

EXAMPLES OF WHAT CONSTITUTE ABUSIVE CONDUCT INCLUDE REPEATED USE OF INSULTS, DEROGATORY REMARKS, THREATENING, INTIMIDATING OR HUMILIATING VERBAL OR PHYSICAL CONDUCT, AND THE GRATUITOUS SABOTAGE OF A PERSON'S WORK PERFORMANCE.

WHAT FOLLOWS IS A PATTERN AND PRACTICE BY MS. LUCID THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD FIND AS ABUSIVE UNDER EXISTING LAW.

THE FOLLOWING TIMELINE ARE EXAMPLES OF SAID PATTERN AND PRACTICE.

MAY 21ST, 2018 EMAIL FROM MS. LUCID TO MAYOR HALL, WHERE SHE DESCRIBES HER DISSATISFACTION WITH FORMER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DEBBIE FOUNTAIN, QUOTE AND I QUOTE FROM MS. LUCID, "HER LEADERSHIP STYLE SEEMS TO BE BASED ON BANNING ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH HER WITHOUT ANY ATTEMPT TO RESOLVE OR CLARIFY WHAT IS GOING ON.

HITLER HAD THE SAME STYLE, SO THANK GOD SHE HAS NO ACCESS TO OVENS." THE CITY RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT MS. LUCID'S BEHAVIOR AT THE CARLSBAD CHAMBER EVENT ON AUGUST 23RD, 2018, THE CITY CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION AND CONCLUDED THAT MS. LUCID ENGAGED IN THE FOLLOWING HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE CONDUCT.

SAID CONDUCT WAS MAKING TAUNTING AND DEROGATORY REMARKS TOWARDS THE CITY EMPLOYEE WHO WAS ATTEMPTING TO SET UP FOR A PRESENTATION INVADING SAID EMPLOYEES PHYSICAL SPACE AND ATTEMPTING TO BLOCK HER EXIT WHEN SHE ATTEMPTED TO RETREAT FROM MS. LUCID.

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ASKING QUESTIONS OF OTHER PRESENTERS AT THE EVENT THAT WERE DESIGNED TO EMBARRASS AND DISCREDIT THE EMPLOYEE.

FOLLOWING THE EVENT, STATING TO CITY EMPLOYEES COMMENTS SUCH AS, "GOOD THING, I DON'T OWN A GUN." AND, "AND I DON'T EVEN OWN A GUN, BUT IT'S A GOOD THING." ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2018, THE CITY ISSUED A NOTICE TO IMMEDIATELY CEASE AND DESIST SUCH BEHAVIOR AS IT VIOLATED THE CITY'S ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER 45, RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE AND NONDISCRIMINATION POLICY, SPECIFICALLY RULE FOUR, WHICH PROHIBITS THREATENING, DISTURBING, OFFENDING, INTIMIDATING OR HARASSING OTHERS, INCLUDING STAFF.

ON FEBRUARY 22ND, 2019, AFTER THIS WARNING TO CITY EMPLOYEES ENCOUNTERED MS. LUCID AT THE SENIOR CENTER COMPUTER ROOM, THESE EMPLOYEES REPORTED THAT MS. LUCID WAS RUDE, HARASSING, HOSTILE AND VERBALLY ABUSIVE TO BOTH OF THEM.

THE TWO EMPLOYEES REPORTED MS. LUCID'S BEHAVIOR TO THE SUPERVISOR, AND THE SUPERVISOR DROVE TO THE SENIOR CENTER TO TRY AND HELP DIFFUSE THE SITUATION.

MS. LUCID CONTINUED TO ACT DILIGENTLY TOWARD THE SUPERVISOR.

ALSO LATER THAT DAY, AT THE UPSTAIRS COUNTER OF THE SENIOR CENTER, MS. LUCID ASKED TO SPEAK WITH THE SERVICES MANAGER MIKE PACHECO.

MS. LUCID WAS INFORMED THAT HE HAD ALREADY LEFT FOR THE DAY AND THEN RESPONDED.

IN RESPONSE, MS. LUCID STORMED OUT OF THE OFFICE, SLAMMED THE DOOR AND YELLED AN EXPLETIVE THAT ALL STAFF COULD HEAR.

AS A RESULT OF MS. LUCID'S ACTIONS, SHE WAS SUSPENDED FROM ENTERING THE SENIOR CENTER IN FLYING COMMUNITY CENTER FOR A PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS.

THE SECOND NOTICE THIS SUSPENSION OCCURRED WAS DATED ON APRIL 23RD OF 2019.

ON APRIL 17, 2019, A CITY EMPLOYEE AND VOLUNTEER ENCOUNTERED MS. LUCID AT THE SENIOR CENTER FRONT COUNTER AND SAID SHE WOULD NEED TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO MEET WITH A REC AREA MANAGER.

IN RESPONSE, MS. LUCID BECAME RUDE, HARASSING, HOSTILE AND VERBALLY ABUSIVE.

THE EMPLOYEE AND VOLUNTEER REPORTED THAT MS. LUCID YELLED AN EXPLETIVE TO STAFF AND STATED, "WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER." MS. LUCID LAUGHED AND RETURNED TO THE FRONT COUNTER WITH A COMMENT CARD AND DEMANDED TO BE GIVEN TO THE REC AREA MANAGER IMMEDIATELY.

WHEN THE EMPLOYEE EXPLAINED IT NEEDED TO BE SUBMITTED IN THE SUGGESTION BOX, MS. LUCID BECAME UPSET AND ANGRILY TORE UP THE COMMENT CARD.

ON APRIL 18TH OF 2019, TWO CITY EMPLOYEES REPORTED THAT THEY ENCOUNTERED MS. LUCID AT THE SENIOR CENTER FRONT COUNTER, AND WHEN ONE OF THEM WALKED AWAY, MS. LUCID YELLED THEIR NAME AND SHOUTED QUESTIONS IN A TAUNTING MANNER.

MS. LUCID THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY TARGETED THIS EMPLOYEE IN THAT MANNER.

BOTH EMPLOYEES REPORTED THAT MS. LUCID'S BEHAVIOR WAS MENACING.

BASED ON THE COMPLAINTS, THEY IDENTIFIED THAT MS. LUCID VIOLATED THE SENIOR CENTER RULES OF CONDUCT, SPECIFICALLY RULE FOUR, SHE WAS SUSPENDED FROM ENTERING THE SENIOR CENTER FOR A PERIOD OF FOUR WEEKS.

ON JULY 15TH, 2019, MS. LUCID ENTERED THE OFFICE OF THE SENIOR CENTER OF A CITY STAFF WITHOUT INVITATION.

MS. LUCID PROCEEDED TO VOICE HER DISDAIN ABOUT CERTAIN CITY STAFF, WHERE SHE SAID NUMEROUS HATEFUL AND NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT CERTAIN CITY STAFF.

DURING THIS INTERACTION, MS. LUCID ANGRILY SHUT THE DOOR, LEAVING THE EMPLOYEE WITHOUT AN EXIT UNTIL MR. LUCID THEY'D FINISHED HER COMMENTS, INCLUDING THOSE ABOUT SPECIAL NEEDS VOLUNTEERS AT THE SENIOR CENTER.

THE CITY EMPLOYEE FELT THE NEED TO LOCK HER OFFICE DOOR AND CLOSE THE BLINDS TO AVOID ANY ADDITIONAL SUCH FUTURE ENCOUNTERS WITH MS. LUCID.

MS. LUCID'S ACTIONS CAUSED THE EMPLOYEE TO REPORT THIS INCIDENT TO HER SUPERVISOR AS INAPPROPRIATE AND HARASSING.

SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2019, LUCID ENGAGED IN A CONVERSATION WITH A CITY EMPLOYEE WHERE SHE WAS ABRASIVE, BELITTLING AND CONDESCENDING TO A CITY EMPLOYEE.

THE EMPLOYEE TRIED TO DISENGAGE FROM THAT CONVERSATION AND MS. LUCID INTENTIONALLY BLOCKED THE EXIT OF THE STUDIO SO AS TO PRESENT THE EMPLOYEE FROM LEAVING THE STUDIO SO THAT THE MS. LUCID COULD CONTINUED TO BE RUDE TO THIS CITY EMPLOYEE AND SPEAK TO HER IN [INAUDIBLE] TONE.. THE EMPLOYEE ALSO FELT THE NEED FOR LOCATION REASSIGNMENT TO AVOID ANY ADDITIONAL SUCH ENCOUNTERS WITH MS. LUCID.

MS. LUCID'S CAUSED THE EMPLOYEE TO REPORT THIS INCIDENT TO A SUPERVISOR IS INAPPROPRIATE.

BASED ON THESE COMPLAINTS, MS. LUCID WAS SUSPENDED FROM THE SENIOR CENTER IN ALL CITY FACILITIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CITY HALL AND THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER FOR A PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS FOR VIOLATING THE CITY'S ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER 45 RESPECT THE WORKPLACE AND DISCRIMINATION POLICY.

SENIOR CENTER RULES OF CONDUCT, SPECIFICALLY RULE FOUR.

ADDITIONALLY, MS. LUCID, IN ORDER FOR THAT SUSPENSION TO BE LIFTED, SHE WAS REQUIRED TO SHOW PROOF OF COMPLETION OF AN ANGER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

UPON IT BEING LIFTED ON AUGUST 10TH, 2020, MS. LUCID DROVE INTO THE CITY'S COVID 19 EMERGENCY MEAL PICKUP LINE AT THE SENIOR CENTER PARKING LOT, WHERE MS.

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LUCID PARKED AND EXITED HER VEHICLE.

AN EMPLOYEE EXPLAINED TO MS. LUCID THAT SHE WAS REQUIRED TO REMAIN IN HER VEHICLE.

MS. LUCID RETURNED TO HER VEHICLE, BUT EXITED A SECOND TIME, APPROACHED THE EMPLOYEE AND TRIED TO HUG HER.

THE EMPLOYEE REITERATED THE NEED TO KEEP PHYSICAL DISTANCE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE IN A COVID PANDEMIC.

BUT MS. LUCID CONTINUED TO INVADE THE EMPLOYEE'S PERSONAL SPACE WHILE AGGRESSIVELY QUESTIONING AND BULLYING HER.

ON NOVEMBER 23RD, 2020, MS. LUCID EMAILED SERVICES MANAGER MIKE PACHECO IN PART, MADE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT.

"I WAS SURPRISED THAT YOU TOLD ME I WAS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE SENIOR CENTER MANAGER FOR CALLING MARGARET HAMER, MAGGIE HAMER AFTER DIRECTOR KYLE LANCASTER TOLD ME NOT TO DO THAT.

IT'S KIND OF CUTE THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT DIRECTOR KYLE LANCASTER HAS THE AUTHORITY OR SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP TO ME TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE ME UNSOLICITED ADVICE.

I HAVE A LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP.

HE'S NOT MY FATHER, MY FATHER, SIGNIFICANT OTHER, FRIEND, OR BOSS.

HE DID NOT ASK ME IF HE COULD COMMENT ON WHAT HE PERCEIVED TO BE DISRESPECTFUL AS FAR AS I RECALL OR CHOOSE TO CALL LUCID, BROUGHT AND DISTRIBUTED SALADS TO OTHER SENIORS IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE AGAINST OUTSIDE FOOD.

MS. LUCID WAS ADVISED THAT OUTSIDE FOOD IS NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE OF CERTAIN CONCERNS STEM FROM GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNTY OF [INAUDIBLE].

IF MS. LUCID VIOLATED THE RULE.

THEN SHE WOULD BE SUSPENDED FROM THE SENIOR CENTER.

AND DAYS LATER, ON AUGUST 10TH, 2021, MS. LUCID AGAIN BROUGHT OUTSIDE FOOD INTO THE SENIOR CENTER AND WAS WARNED THAT NO OUTSIDE FOOD WAS PERMITTED.

MS. LUCID CONTINUED TO CONTACT NUMEROUS CITY EMPLOYEES, AGGRESSIVELY DEMANDING THAT THE POLICY BE CHANGED, INSULTING STAFF AND MAKING ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

PATIENCE.

ON AUGUST 13TH, 2021 MS. LUCID AGGRESSIVELY APPROACHED REC AREA MANAGER MARGARET HAMER AGAIN AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND BEGAN FILMING HER.

MULTIPLE PERSONS ASKED MS. LUCID TO STOP, BUT MS. LUCID AGGRESSIVELY FOLLOWED THE EMPLOYEE AROUND THE ROOM WHILE FILMING HER AS THE EMPLOYEE RETREATED FROM MS. LUCID.

MS. LUCID'S CONDUCT WAS HARASSING, INTIMIDATING AND PREVENTING THE EMPLOYEE FROM BEING ABLE TO PERFORM THE WORK FOR WHICH HE WAS ASSIGNED.

ON AUGUST 25TH, 2021, THE CITY RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AS IT WAS DISRUPTING THE.

MR. CHADWICK? YOU'RE, BECOMING PRETTY MUFFLED.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A SPEAKER ISSUE OR WHAT, BUT I KNOW I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU CLEARLY, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S BROADCASTING OTHERWISE.

THEN YOU ARE.

YOU'RE GOOD NOW, OK? ON AUGUST 25TH, 2021, THE CITY RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MS. LUCID WAS DISRUPTING ACTIVITIES AT THE SENIOR CENTER BY GOING IN AND OUT OF ROOMS AND SHOUTING NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE FACILITY.

MS. LUCID WAS RUDE AND DEMEANING TO AN EMPLOYEE BY REFERRING TO HIM AS SOMEONE WHO DOES NOTHING FOR SENIORS.

MS. LUCID ALSO ATTEMPTED TO HUG A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, WHO EXPRESSED SHE DID NOT WANT TO BE HUGGED.

BASED ON THESE COMPLAINTS, MS. LUCID WAS SUSPENDED FROM A SENIOR CENTER TO INCLUDE PINE AVENUE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS FOR VIOLATING THE SENIOR CENTER RULES OF CONDUCT.

MS. LUCID WAS INFORMED THAT IF SHE ENGAGED IN SIMILAR BEHAVIOR AT THE LIBRARY AND CULTURAL ART DEPARTMENT FACILITIES, THESE FACILITIES WOULD BE ADDED TO THOSE TO WHICH HER PRIVILEGES WOULD BE SUSPENDED.

FINALLY, I WANT TO END WITH THE TOTAL NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS SUBMITTED BY STAFF TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.

THAT NUMBER IS 15.

LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, THAT NUMBER IS 15.

THE INFORMATION I JUST PROVIDED IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT IT DOES PRESENT A VERY CLEAR PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF UNLAWFUL BEHAVIOR THAT THE EMPLOYER MUST SAFEGUARD FROM ITS EMPLOYEES.

I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CONTENT OF HER SPEECH.

THIS IS ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR IN DELIVERING HER SPEECH.

I'VE REPEATED IT, REPEATEDLY IMPLORED HER PERSONALLY TO ADHERE TO THE CITY'S RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE POLICY AND THE SENIORS CODE OF CONDUCT, AND THIS INDIVIDUAL'S BEHAVIOR CONTINUES TO VIOLATE STATE LAW.

AS MENTIONED, THE CITY HAS MADE ALL ATTEMPTS TO MODIFY THE BEHAVIOR TO INCLUDE WARNINGS SUSPENSIONS THAT CONTINUE TO LENGTHEN ATTENDANCE OF ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE FIND OURSELVES BEFORE YOU TODAY IN THIS APPEAL PROCESS.

ON BEHALF OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, I ASK THAT YOU UPHOLD THE SUSPENSION SO AS TO ENSURE THE WORKPLACE IS FREE FROM THE ABUSIVE CONDUCT OF OCEANSIDE RESIDENT, MARY LUCID.

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OK, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CITY MANAGER? I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE RAISE THEIR HAND.

ANY COMMENTS ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE A COMMENT? MR. BLACKBURN? I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK DISCLOSURE, BUT IT ALSO LEADS INTO MY COMMENTS, PROBABLY GOING ON A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

I TOOK MARY LUCID TO BREAKFAST A COUPLE OF TIMES TO HAVE IT, TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITH HER.

I WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT WHEN SHE MET WITH ME, SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY A FUN PERSON TO HAVE BREAKFAST WITH BOTH TIMES.

I HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH HER, BUT PART OF ONE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT CAME OUT THAT SHE HAD MADE A COMMENT TO A STAFF MEMBER THAT SHE BEHAVES HERSELF 85 PERCENT OF THE TIME, BUT NOT THE OTHER 15 PERCENT OF THE TIME.

THE STAFF MEMBER SAID, WELL THEN YOU'RE WELCOME TO BRING YOUR 85 PERCENT, BUT NOT YOUR 15 PERCENT.

WE JOKED ABOUT IT FOR A FEW MINUTES, BUT I TOLD HER THAT IT WAS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.

WHEN SHE COULD BEHAVE HERSELF 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME I WOULD SUPPORT HER, BUT UNTIL THEN I COULD NOT.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I SHARED WITH YOU THAT I DID HAVE THIS PERSONAL DISCUSSION WITH HER OVER BREAKFAST.

BUT IT GOES BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

OK.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MR. NORBY.

I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE PRESENTATIONS AND FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES SAFE AND TAKE THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES SERIOUSLY.

YES, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? THANK YOU.

SIMILAR TO COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, I WANTED TO THANK OUR STAFF FOR DOCUMENTING OR FOR DOING ALL THAT THEY COULD TO WORK WITH THE SITUATION AND EVEN I THINK IN HAVING THE SUSPENSION, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A COOLING OFF PERIOD, I FEEL LIKE.

AND THEN TO REEVALUATE WHETHER MS. LUCID WOULD BE ABLE TO RETURN OR WHETHER SHE WAS READY TO RETURN.

I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP GIVING DIRECTION AND CHANCES, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOCUMENTING AND FOR WORKING SO HARD TO CONTINUE TO SERVE EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO US.

BUT THERE COMES A CERTAIN POINT WHERE IT'S HARMFUL, HARMFUL TO OUR STAFF, HARMFUL TO OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROGRAM.

AND THEN WE NEED TO PUT PARAMETERS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS CODE OF CONDUCT AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.

SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT STAFF IN THIS DECISION.

THANK YOU.

OK.

DR. BHAT-PATEL? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO THANK STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

I KNOW THAT AS AS COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA MENTIONED, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CHANCES GIVEN JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE BEING FAIR IN THE PROCESS AND ALSO JUST ENSURING THAT NOW IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF ALSO FEEL SAFE IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT, WORKING ENVIRONMENT.

EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE IN THEIR WORKING ENVIRONMENT, AND I THINK WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT AND I STAND BY THIS DECISION AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

OK.

I HAVE NO COMMENT, SO MR. BLACKBURN, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION CONTAINED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.

SECOND.

WELL, THE PLEASE TAKE ROLL.

MAYOR, ASK FOR SPEAKERS THERE.

OH, I'M SORRY, SPEAKERS, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I DID THAT EARLIER.

I APOLOGIZE.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY SPEAKERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS THERE.

I'LL CALL ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA? AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL? AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN? AYE.

MAYOR HALL? AYE.

THE RESOLUTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS]

THANK YOU.

OK, MOVING ON TO FINAL COMMENTS.

MR. NORBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? NO FINAL COMMENTS FROM ME.

DR. BHAT-PATEL, FINAL COMMENTS? SURE, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'LL BE UP AT THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES ON WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, SO I WILL REPORT BACK WHEN I COME BACK.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

MR. BLACKBURN? NOTHING, THANK YOU.

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OK.

MS. ACOSTA, ANYTHING TONIGHT? JUST THE SAME AS COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, I WILL BE ATTENDING THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES ANNUAL CONFERENCE, WHICH IS FULL OF WORKSHOPS AND ABILITY TO TRAIN AND GET BETTER AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WITH CITIES.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE AND I WILL REPORT BACK WHEN I GET BACK AS WELL.

OK, THANK YOU.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY THING TO REPORT WHERE THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN TWO OF US.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

ONE IS THAT I'VE ASKED OUR STAFF TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE ON WATER.

AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT I THINK PERHAPS MIGHT HAPPEN AT A STATE LEVEL AS FAR AS WATER CUTBACKS, EVEN THOUGH THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD, NOT ONLY CARLSBAD BUT OF THE SAN DIEGO REGION AND HAS SPENT OVER $2 BILLION TO BUY WATER RELIABILITY.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE PART OF A WATER CUTBACK HERE IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF REPORTS ALONG WITH THAT AND HOW SOME OF THE DYNAMICS IN THE WATER WORLD ARE CHANGING AND HOW THAT MAY AFFECT OUR RATES GOING FORWARD.

ALSO TOMORROW NIGHT, I'LL BE PART OF AN OPEN HOUSE ON THE ACTUALLY CUTTING THE RIBBON, EVEN THOUGH IT'LL BE VIRTUALLY THE LAST PHASE.

PHASE FOUR OF THE FIRST PART OF THE WIDENING OF I-5 AND THAT WILL BE WITH CAL-TRANS TOMORROW NIGHT AT 6:00 P.M.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT.

MR. CHADWICK?

[CITY MANAGER COMMENTS]

JUST BRIEFLY, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE MR. DAVID GRAHAM, OUR OWN CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER, WHO LAST FRIDAY WAS NAMED THE TOP TECH LEADER IN GOVERNMENT FOR 2021, THROUGH THE TOP TECH AWARDS.

SO AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS DAVID, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE FANTASTIC JOB YOU'RE DOING OF REPRESENTING THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

AND MS. BREWER?

[CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTS]

YES, I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT NEXT MEETING, I WILL BE LEAVING YOU IN THE VERY CAPABLE HANDS OF ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY CINDY MCMAHON BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BE TAKING MY FIRST VACATION IN TWO YEARS, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE KNEE SURGERY.

SO.

VERY EXCITED.

OK.

CITY CLERK? NOTHING, THANK YOU.

AND I JUST WISH YOU MS. BREWER WONDERFUL AND SAFE VACATION.

I WANT TO AGAIN THANK STAFF TONIGHT.

THIS IS QUITE AN AGENDA AND IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.

AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, A REAL THANKS TO MR. CHADWICK AND STAFF FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DID.

IT WAS VERY WELL PRESENTED.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN TONIGHT'S MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.