Sep 28, 2021 City Council Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

PRESENT.

MAYOR HALL.

HERE.

AND BEFORE WE DO THE PLEDGE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENT THE CITY COUNCIL IS SERVING AS THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL AND THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON ITEM NUMBER TWO IN DEPARTMENT AND CITY MANAGER REPORT ON ITEM NUMBER 13.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS ALSO SERVING AS THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL AND THE CARLSBAD PUBLIC FINANCING AUTHORITY ON DEPARTMENT AND CITY MANAGER REPORT ITEM NUMBER 11.

AND WITH THAT, MR. BLACKBURN.

IF YOU COULD LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU, MR. BLACKBURN, WITH THAT.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MINUTES TO APPROVE.

SO WE'LL GO TO PRESENTATIONS AND THE FIRST PRESENTATION IS A PROCLAMATION FOR PUBLIC

[PRESENTATIONS]

MY PLEASURE TO READ THE PROCLAMATION, IT SAYS, WHEREAS THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IS COMMITTED TO ENSURING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF ALL THOSE LIVING IN AND VISITING OUR CITY.

THE MONTH OF OCTOBER BRINGS THE RECOGNITION OF CRIME PREVENTION MONTH AND FIRE PREVENTION WEEK.

FIRE IS A SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY.

PEOPLE ARE AT THE GREATEST RISK FROM FIRE IN THEIR HOME AND WITH LITTLE EXTRA CAUTION PREVENTING THE LEADING CAUSE OF HOME FIRES IS WITHIN THEIR POWER AND ESSENTIAL FOR PERSONAL AND FAMILY SAFETY.

THE 2021 FIRE PREVENTION WEEK THEME IS LEARN THE SOUNDS OF FIRE SAFETY EFFECTIVELY SERVES TO EDUCATE AND REMIND US OF THE SIMPLE ACTIONS WE CAN TAKE TO STAY SAFE FROM FIRE DURING FIRE PREVENTION WEEK AND YEAR ROUND.

CRIME PREVENTION MONTH RECOGNIZES THAT CRIME AND FEAR OF CRIME DESTROY OUR TRUST IN OTHERS AND THREATENS THE COMMUNITY'S HEALTH, PROSPERITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAMS TEACH AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF DANGERS OF CRIME AND HOW THEY CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM BEING VICTIMS. THE SERVICES AND PARTNERSHIP PROVIDED BY PUBLIC WORKS IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR RESIDENTS EVERYDAY LIVES, HEALTH, SAFETY AND COMFORT.

NOW, THEREFORE, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, I DO PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 3RD THROUGH 9TH 2021 AS FIRE PREVENTION WEEK AND THE MONTH OF OCTOBER AS CRIME PREVENTION MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

AND BEING AN EX-COP, ALWAYS HAVING THAT PUSH AND SHOVE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT I DO WANT TO BRING TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT THEY GET ONE WEEK FROM FIRE SAFETY AND THE POLICE GET ONE MONTH.

SO IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INVITE DARCY DAVIDSON, ASSISTANT FIRE MARSHAL, TO RECEIVE THE PROCLAMATION.

THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR.

MAYOR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME THIS TIME TODAY.

PROMOTING A SAFE COMMUNITY THROUGH FIRE PREVENTION IS SOMETHING THAT I AND MY TEAM FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT.

THIS YEAR'S NATIONAL THEME FOR FIRE PREVENTION WEEK AS MENTIONED IS LEARN THE SOUNDS OF FIRE SAFETY.

THIS THEME IS INTENDED TO REMIND US TO KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DIFFERENT SOUNDS THAT SMOKE AND FIRE ALARMS MAKE.

SO WHY IS THIS SO IMPORTANT? AS MENTIONED, DATA SHOWS THAT HOMES ARE WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY AT GREATEST RISK FROM FIRE.

NATIONALLY, IN A SINGLE YEAR IN 2019 HOME FIRES KILLED MORE THAN TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY PEOPLE NATIONALLY.

WE KNOW THAT OCCUPANTS HAVE AS LITTLE AS TWO MINUTES TO ESCAPE A HOME FIRE SAFELY, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE EARLY SOUNDS OF FIRE AND WE ACT FAST.

SO OUR GOAL WITH PROMOTING THIS YEAR'S FIRE PREVENTION WEEK CAMPAIGN IS FOR ALL CARLSBAD RESIDENTS TO HAVE THREE THINGS IN PLACE TO IMPROVE OUR LIKELIHOOD OF SURVIVING A HOME FIRE.

FIRST IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WORKING SMOKE AND CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS IN OUR HOMES TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THEM IN ALL THE CORRECT LOCATIONS.

BECAUSE WE KNOW WORKING ALARMS CUT THE RISK OF DYING IN A HOME FIRE IN HALF.

SO I ASK YOU ALL IF YOU HAVE SMOKE ALARMS IN YOUR HOME LET'S DO A SELF-TEST.

AND WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU CHECKED THEM?

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OUR SECOND GOAL IS FOR EVERYONE IN THE HOME TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND UNDERSTAND THE SOUNDS THAT THESE ALARMS MAKE.

AND THEN THIRD, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO RESPOND.

WE NEED TO PRACTICE OUR HOME FIRE ESCAPE PLANS WITH OUR FAMILY MEMBERS.

SO HOW IS THE CITY SUPPORTING THIS ENDEAVOR? THE FIRST IS THROUGH EDUCATION.

I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY TUNED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS DURING FIRE PREVENTION WEEK THAT IS OCTOBER 3RD THROUGH 9TH FOR INFORMATIVE VIDEOS AND INFORMATION.

WE MAY ONLY GET ONE WEEK, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A VERY STRONG AND POWERFUL WEEK, AND WE DID COLLABORATE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS AND COMMUNICATIONS, TO GET THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGING OUT.

IN ADDITION, FIRE PREVENTION WILL BE HOSTING A BOOTH AT THIS SUNDAY'S HERO OBSTACLE RACE AT ALGA NORTE COMMUNITY PARK OUTREACH WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND LAST THE CITY PROMOTES THIS CAMPAIGN YEAR ROUND.

FIRE PREVENTION HAS HAD BOOTS ON THE GROUND, INSTALLING SMOKE ALARMS AND CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS IN HOMES IN CARLSBAD.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO PROMOTING THE SCHOOL YEAR ROUND, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH BOTH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND ALSO THE BURN INSTITUTE.

SO WE ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO HAVE WORKING SMOKE ALARMS IN THEIR HOMES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES, FEEL FREE TO CALL THE FIRE PREVENTION OFFICES AND WE CAN SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU.

IN CLOSING, I WANT YOU ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO BE AWARE, TO BE PREPARED AND HOPEFULLY TO STAY SAFE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MS. DAVIDSON, THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID.

IT'S NOW MY HONOR TO GIVE A PROCLAMATION AND A PRESENTATION ON NATIONAL MANUFACTURING DAY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2021.

BEFORE I DO THOUGH, I THINK I JUST WANT TO SAY IN CARLSBAD, WE HAVE A LOT OF MANUFACTURING JOBS HERE, PROBABLY OVER 13000 JOBS HERE IN CARLSBAD.

BUT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS IS HOW WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH MIRACOSTA COLLEGE TO HELP TRAIN AND EDUCATE PEOPLE IN MANUFACTURING FOR THOSE JOBS.

SO TODAY IT'S REALLY MY HONOR TO GIVE THIS PROCLAMATION TO JIM WATSON, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURING AND TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN ASK MR. WATSON TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

WHEREAS THE FIRST FRIDAY IN OCTOBER IS DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL MANUFACTURING DAY AND WAS CREATED AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF MANUFACTURING IN THE UNITED STATES.

WHEREAS CALIFORNIA HAS THE LARGEST NUMBER OF MANUFACTURERS IN THE NATION WITH REPRESENTATION ACROSS VIRTUALLY ALL MANUFACTURING SECTORS IN CALIFORNIA, MANUFACTURING, TECHNOLOGY, CONSULTING AND ITS PARTNERS CELEBRATE OCTOBER AS MANUFACTURING MONTH.

WHEREAS THERE ARE MORE THAN 200 MANUFACTURERS IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, EMPLOYING MORE THAN THIRTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED EMPLOYEES AND CONTRIBUTING MORE THAN FIVE POINT TWO FIVE BILLION, THAT'S B FOR THE BILLION TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

WHEREAS IN COORDINATION EFFORT, MANUFACTURERS THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA WILL HELP ILLUSTRATE WHAT MANUFACTURING IS BY PARTICIPATING IN MANUFACTURING MONTH EVENTS DESIGNED TO INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS OF MODERN MANUFACTURING AND THE GREAT CAREER OPPORTUNITIES MANUFACTURING AFFORDS.

WHEREAS THROUGH INVALUABLE EFFORTS AND DEDICATION, OUR REGION AND OUR CITY HAVE HELPED COMMUNITIES AND FUTURE GENERATIONS OF MANUFACTURERS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I MATT HALL, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, TO HEREBY PROCLAIM FRIDAY, OCTOBER 1ST 2021 NATIONAL MANUFACTURING DAY HERE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

AND WITH THAT, MR. WATSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? MAYOR, THIS IS MATT SANFORD, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE CITY, I'LL BE INTRODUCING MR. WATSON.

SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.

MATT SANFORD, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING NATIONAL MANUFACTURING DAY IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

AS NOTED IN THE PROCLAMATION, MANUFACTURING REMAINS A CRITICAL PART OF OUR ECONOMY, EMPLOYING MORE THAN 13000 PEOPLE IN CARLSBAD AND CONTRIBUTING MORE THAN $5 BILLION DOLLARS TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

TO HELP RECEIVE TODAY'S PROCLAMATION, WE INVITED OUR PARTNERS AT CALIFORNIA MANUFACTURING TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING TO JOIN US.

I'M JOINED TODAY BY JIM WATSON, WHO IS PRESIDENT AND CEO OF CMTC, A PRIVATE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT SERVES AS THE MANUFACTURING EXTENSION PARTNERSHIP CENTER FOR

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WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JIM.

THANK YOU.

MATT, THANK YOU FOR THAT KIND INTRODUCTION.

AND ON BEHALF OF CMTC AND OUR PARTNERS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS MANUFACTURING DAY PROCLAMATION, REALLY CELEBRATING THE 200 MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE IN CARLSBAD, AN THE 37,000 MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE IN OUR STATE.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING MANUFACTURING MONTH AND REALIZING THAT IT TAKES MORE THAN A DAY FOR US TO PROPERLY TO CELEBRATE MANUFACTURING IN THE WAY IN WHICH MANUFACTURING NEEDS TO BE CELEBRATED.

I'VE ALSO, AS YOU'VE ALSO NOTED IN YOUR PROCLAMATION, THIS IS THE MONTH OR OCTOBER WILL BE, THE MONTH IN WHICH MANUFACTURERS WILL OPEN UP BOTH VIRTUALLY AND IN PERSON THEIR PLANT FLOORS FOR THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO GO AND VIEW WHAT MANUFACTURING IS ALL ABOUT.

AND THIS IS IN AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THE IMAGE OF MANUFACTURING AND TO SEE THE HIGH TECH NATURE OF MANUFACTURING AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

AND WHEN THESE STUDENTS COME INTO MANUFACTURING AND THEY SEE THE CO-BOTS AND THE ROBOTS AND THE LASER PRINTERS AND THE LASER CUTTERS AND WELDERS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THEIR EYES JUST LIGHT UP, WHICH IS MISSION ACCOMPLISHED FOR US BECAUSE WE'VE ENERGIZED THE NEXT GENERATION OF SKILLED WORKERS WHO WILL BE THINKING OF MANUFACTURING AND MAKING THIS CONNECTION IS VITALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS A RESULT OF THE EXISTING JOB SHORTAGE IN MANUFACTURING AND THE COMPOUNDING FACTORS OF THE PANDEMIC, THERE ARE ALMOST 70,000 OPEN JOB POSTINGS FOR HIGH PAYING MANUFACTURING JOBS IN CALIFORNIA AND MORE THAN 800,000 HIGH PAYING JOBS POSTED THROUGHOUT THE NATION.

SO IN MANUFACTURING MONTH, WE NEED TO INTRODUCE THE SKILLED WORKERS OF TODAY AND THE SKILLED WORKERS OF TOMORROW TO MANUFACTURING.

SO I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF MANUFACTURING AND THE IN SHOWCASING THE INDUSTRY SECTOR'S CONTRIBUTION, THE ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTION IT MAKES TO THE VITALITY OF THE REGION, THE STATE AND OUR NATION.

SO THANK YOU.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, MOVING ON.

NEXT, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I'LL JUST READ THIS FOR THE RECORD.

THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.

IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT AND THE CALIFORNIA EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER N-29-20.

A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IS PROVIDED TOO SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING BY SUBMITTING COMMENTS AS PROVIDED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED A REQUEST UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

ALL OTHER COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

THERE WILL BE NO ACTIONS CAN OCCUR ON THE ITEMS ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND WITH THAT, I'D ASK THE CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.

IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

MAYOR WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO RAISE THEIR HAND.

MAY I NOTE THAT THERE WAS A CLOSED SESSION THIS AFTERNOON AT 4:45 P.M.

THERE WAS NO REPORTABLE ACTION.

I APPRECIATE THAT MS. MCMAHON.

[INAUDIBLE].

AND WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

WOW, OK, MOVING RIGHT ALONG, THEN WE HAVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

DOES ANYONE WISH FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ONE THROUGH FIVE? AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY OR PRESS NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS MAYOR.

THEN I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES, DOES ANYONE WISH TO PULL ONE OF THE FIRST FIVE ITEMS? WELL, I SEE EVERYBODY SHAKING THEIR HEAD, NO, SO COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

MOVE APPROVAL OF CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE? COULD THE CLERK PLEASE CALL ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

AYE.

CONSENT CALENDAR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[6. ORDINANCE TO AMEND CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 2.44.030 – CITY SERVICE AND APPROVE EMPLOYMENT-RELATED DOCUMENTS FOR FULL-TIME EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIAN POSITION]

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MR. CHADWICK.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE INTRODUCTIONS? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, MS. JUDY VON KALINOWSKI, ALONG WITH OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST, MS. DEBBIE PORTER.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

[INAUDIBLE] WE'RE SEEKING COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIAN EMT AND TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION TWO POINT FOUR FOUR POINT ZERO THREE ZERO TO ADD THIS POSITION [INAUDIBLE] COUNCIL APPROVED THE EMT POSITION IN THE FISCAL YEAR OF BUDGET 21 22.

WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY [INAUDIBLE] FUNDING AT THIS TIME.

[INAUDIBLE] DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY IMPACT TO THIS BUDGET THAT WAS ALREADY RECEIVED IN THE OPERATING BUDGET AND STAFF FROM [INAUDIBLE] IS WITH ME TODAY AS WELL.

DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYONE WISH THE CITY CLERK? DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY OR PRESS STAR NINE TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS MAYOR.

OK WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? SEEING NO QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR SHALL WE GO TO THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE? CITY ATTORNEY, COULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 2.44.030 CITY SERVICE.

MR. BLACKBURN.

NUMBER ONE MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION AND NUMBER TWO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE.

CONTAINED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

SECOND.

AND COULD THE CLERK PLEASE CALL ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

AYE.

ITEM SIX PASSES UNANIMOUSLY MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN ORDINANCES FOR ADOPTION.

[7. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. CS-403 – REPEAL CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 2.20 AND AMEND SECTION 2.12.025]

ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS? ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY NOW, OR IF YOU'RE USING THE PHONE SYSTEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS MAYOR.

OKAY.

WITH THAT, COULD THE CITY ATTORNEY PLEASE TITLE THE ORDINANCE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, REPEALING CHAPTER 2.20 AND AMENDING SECTION 2.12.025 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE.

MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE CONTINUED AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

SECOND.

COULD THE CLERK PLEASE TAKE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

AYE.

SO ITEM SEVEN PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS.

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BOTH ITEM EIGHT AND THE ITEM NINE ARE SOMEWHAT INTERRELATED.

ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION IN CONCURRENCE OR DO YOU WISH TO TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME IN YOUR PRESENTATIONS? AND MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

WHAT OUR PLAN WOULD BE IS TO GO AHEAD AND GO FORWARD, DO THE PRESENTATION ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, THEN DO THE PRESENTATION ON ITEM NINE AND THEN GO BACK TO ITEM EIGHT FOR COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

WE DO FEEL THAT THEY COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ACTIONS THAT COUNCIL TAKES THAT COUNCIL IS FULLY INFORMED PRIOR TO TAKING SAID ACTION.

AND I'M JUST ASSUMING NOW, BUT I'M [INAUDIBLE] THAT THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT ON EIGHT AND NINE, SO I'D ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GIVE ME GUIDANCE ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THAT.

DO WE DO ITEM EIGHT AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON EIGHT AND NINE?

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YOU CAN TAKE THEM SEPARATELY WHEN THERE'S A PAUSE BETWEEN ITEMS. YOU CAN ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME OR YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL BOTH THE STAFF PRESENTATION AND BOTH ITEMS IS COMPLETE, AND YOU CAN ASK FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME.

AS LONG AS EVERYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO ITEM EIGHT AND NINE IS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THAT WOULD BE THE IMPORTANT THING.

OK.

IT WOULD BE MY PLEASURE UNLESS SOMEBODY WOULD SAY DIFFERENTLY THAT WE DO THE PRESENTATIONS ON EIGHT AND NINE AND THEN OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN GO BACK TO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AND THEN DELIBERATIONS.

SO I DON'T SEE ANYBODY SHAKING THEIR HEAD NO.

SO WITH THAT, THEN I WOULD TURN IT TO YOU, MR. CHADWICK, TO MAKE THE INTRODUCTIONS.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

SO MAKING THE PRESENTATION ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS OUR HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR MS. MANDY MILLS, ALONG WITH OUR SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER HOLLY NELSON.

GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR HALL AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS MR. CHADWICK SAID, MY NAME IS MANDY MILLS.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE NEWLY FORMED HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND PRESENTING TODAY WITH ME IS HOLLY NELSON, THE SENIOR HOMELESS PROGRAM MANAGER.

THIS AFTERNOON, WE WILL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION TO UPDATE THE CITY COUNCIL ON EFFORTS TO IMPLEMENT A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM AND PRESENT OPTIONS FOR STAFF DIRECTION.

LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN SO WE CAN GET STARTED.

JUST MAKING SURE YOU CAN SEE THAT, OK? OK, THANKS.

SO IN APRIL, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FUNDING FOR AND DIRECTED STAFF TO IMPLEMENT A HOTEL VOUCHER PILOT PROGRAM TO ASSIST VULNERABLE UNSHELTERED PERSONS, TO GET OFF THE STREET AND OBTAIN PERMANENT HOUSING.

TODAY, WE WILL REPORT OUT ON THE BARRIERS THAT HAVE DELAYED IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM IDENTIFIED IN THE WORK PLAN AND PRESENT SOME OPTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.

WE WILL BE MAKING THIS PRESENTATION IN TANDEM WITH ITEM NINE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH WILL PRESENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING.

AS YOU WILL RECALL, COUNCIL DIRECTED TO BRING BACK THESE AMENDMENTS TO BETTER ADDRESS THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ENFORCE RESTRICTIONS ON CAMPING AT NIGHT.

WE ARE MAKING THESE PRESENTATIONS TOGETHER BECAUSE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE CAMPING DURING THE EVENING HOURS IS SO CLOSELY TIED TO AVAILABLE SHELTER RESOURCES.

CITY STAFF WILL PRESENT BOTH ISSUES, SO THE CITY COUNCIL AND PUBLIC CAN SEE THE OPTIONS ON HOW THEY RELATE AND HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO HOLLY NELSON TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND ON THE HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

OK, THANK YOU, MANDY, AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO AS YOU RECALL, ON APRIL 27TH, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A WORK PLAN TO ADDRESS REDUCING THE UNSHELTERED HOMELESS POPULATION AMONG THOSE WHO WANT HELP BY 50 PERCENT WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

AND TO DO THAT, WE WILL BE COMING BACK WITH QUARTERLY REPORTS TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON OUR PROGRESS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE LARGER EFFORT THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS BEEN DOING TO ADDRESS AND RESPOND TO HOMELESS RELATED ISSUES.

WE INITIALLY CREATE OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE PLAN BACK IN OCTOBER 2017.

THE CITY WAS ALSO VERY ACTIVE IN THE NORTH COUNTY HOMELESS ACTION PLAN IN ADDRESSING AND REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESS POPULATION, EXPANDING EMERGENCY SHELTER AND TEMPORARY HOUSING, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT PERMANENT HOUSING OPTIONS, AS WELL AS CREATING A ROBUST WORK PLAN FULL OF NEW INITIATIVES.

SO IN THIS GRAPHIC, WE HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE ARE PURSUING RIGHT NOW, SUCH AS PARTNERING WITH SOCIAL WORKERS AND NONPROFIT AGENCIES, ADDRESSING THE BALANCED APPROACH OF LAWS AND COMPASSION ENFORCEMENT.

LOOKING AT HOMELESSNESS NOT ONLY HERE IN CARLSBAD, BUT FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, ADDRESSING ISSUES RELATED TO ENCAMPMENTS BY PARTNERING WITH URBAN CORE NORTH COUNTY TRANSIT DISTRICT, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE EXPANSION, RETENTION AND SUSTAINABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS LONG TERM.

BUT INITIALLY, ONE OF THE KEY PROPOSALS THAT WERE PRESENTED WAS THE HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM IN THE WORK PLAN.

THIS WAS TO ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE NEED OF OUR UNSHELTERED HOMELESS POPULATION.

WE SAW THAT THIS PROGRAM WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL DURING COVID 19, WHEN THE COUNTY RAN A

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AND REALLY, WE WANTED TO HOPEFULLY REPLICATE THAT PROGRAM AND ADD DIFFERENT RESOURCES TO HELP PEOPLE TRANSITION OFF THE STREETS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

THIS ALSO ADDRESSED THE NEED THAT CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE SHELTER FOR WOMEN, WE DON'T HAVE SHELTER FOR FAMILIES AS WELL.

AND SO THIS HELPED ADDRESS THAT IMMEDIATE NEED.

IT ALSO ALLOWS THE CITY TO MORE READILY ENFORCE CERTAIN LAWS THAT CAN ONLY BE APPLIED IF SHELTER HAS BEEN OFFERED AND REFUSED.

SO CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE LOCAL SHELTER SYSTEM HERE IN CARLSBAD, LA POSADA CURRENTLY HAS 50 BEDS.

THAT NUMBER DOES GET EXPANDED DURING THE WINTER MONTHS.

THEY DO ADD 10 ADDITIONAL BEDS IN THEIR CAPACITY.

AND THEN WE LOOK AT OUR POINT IN TIME COUNT NUMBER, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL COUNT THAT'S DONE BY HUD AND HERE IN CARLSBAD.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS, WE HAD 53 PEOPLE BEING SHELTERED AT LA POSADA BACK IN 2020 AND THEN WE HAD 94 PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREETS DURING THAT POINT IN TIME COUNT.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE NINETY FOUR PEOPLE UNSHELTERED AND ALREADY THAT 53 BEDS ARE ALREADY FILLED AT LA POSADA.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES TO MEET OUR CURRENT NEED HERE IN CARLSBAD.

NOW, LOOKING AT WHAT REGIONALLY, WHAT'S GOING ON IS WHAT WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE REGION IN NORTH COUNTY, THERE'S ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR BEDS.

AGAIN, MOST OF THESE BEDS KIND OF OCCUPY A BED UTILIZATION RATE AROUND 90 PERCENT.

SO A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S BARRIERS IN EVEN ACCESSING THESE RESOURCES.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POINT IN TIME COUNT NUMBERS FOR BOTH INLAND AND ALSO COASTAL, WE SAW SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY ONE UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS DURING THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.

SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE DISPARITY OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO SEEK SHELTER AND THE AVAILABLE EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS.

AGAIN DURING COVID 19 MANY OF THESE SHELTER FACILITIES DID HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR BED CAPACITY TO SUPPORT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALLOWING FOR MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE FACILITY.

WE KNOW THAT SHELTERS AND CONGREGATE CARE SETTINGS WERE SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY VULNERABLE FOR THIS POPULATION AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CDC, AS WELL AS THE COUNTY TO ADD CERTAIN PROTECTIONS IN PLACE TO HELP THE POPULATION.

SO WITH OUR PROGRAM AGAIN, IT'S A PROPOSED A 12 MONTH PILOT PROGRAM.

WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS SERVING ABOUT 75 HOUSEHOLDS IN CARLSBAD WHO WERE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

THIS COULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL.

THIS COULD BE A COUPLE, THIS COULD BE A FAMILY.

THE ELIGIBILITY WOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO IS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN CARLSBAD.

WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE HOUSEHOLD QUALIFYING FROM THE CDC GUIDELINES, SO THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED HIGH RISK OR THEY WOULD AGE QUALIFY, MEANING THAT THEY WOULD BE 65 YEARS OR OLDER.

WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW, COULD WERE 18 YEARS OR AGE OR OLDER AND THAT THEY COULD LIVE INDEPENDENTLY.

SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE MAYBE MEDICAL CHALLENGES OR SEVERE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CHALLENGES THAT PREVENTED THEM FROM LIVING INDEPENDENTLY.

AGAIN, THIS IS A FEMA FUNDED PROGRAM, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THROUGH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS FUNDED AT 100 PERCENT THROUGH NON CONGREGATE CARE AND THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, WE DID WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO HELP ENHANCE AND PROP UP THAT PROGRAM.

INITIALLY, THE FUNDING WAS PROPOSED UNTIL SEPTEMBER, BUT GIVEN THE VULNERABILITIES OF THIS POPULATION, IT WAS EXTENDED UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST.

AND AGAIN, THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT MAY EXTEND THAT FURTHER AS WELL.

THIS IS A LOW BARRIER MODEL WITH THE PROGRAM.

SO THEN AGAIN, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IN HELPING PEOPLE, TAKING THEM AS THERE IS HELPING THEM GET INTO HOUSING AND THEN HELPING THEM GET CONNECTED TO OTHER SERVICES.

THIS IS A WRAPAROUND APPROACH, SO REALLY HOLISTICALLY TREATING THE INDIVIDUAL, SO HELPING THEM WITH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH INTENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT.

SO SMALL CASELOADS REALLY WITH A MEAL, DELIVERY SERVICES, LAUNDRY SERVICES, TRANSPORTATION, BENEFITS, GETTING PEER SUPPORTS INVOLVED, GETTING ALL THE KIND OF CARE THAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS AND PROVIDING THEM ON SITE.

THIS IS ALIGNED WITH OTHER BEST PRACTICE MODELS THAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ABOUT PROVIDING THOSE INTENSIVE SERVICES TO HELP PROVIDE THE RIGHT LEVEL OF CARE, AS WELL AS SECURITY AS WELL.

AND REALLY, WITH THAT GOAL OF TRANSITIONING 50 PERCENT INTO PERMANENT HOUSING AND THEN GETTING 30 PERCENT GRADUATED INTO TRANSITIONAL OR EMERGENCY SHELTER.

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WE RECEIVED LOTS AND LOTS OF EMAILS, PHONE CALLS, COUNCIL INQUIRIES REGARDING THIS AND SO OFFICE HOURS.

SO THERE'S BEEN LOTS AND LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

AND SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD.

THERE'S BEEN CONCERNS AROUND THE HOUSING FIRST MODEL AND APPROACH CONCERNS AROUND THE LOCATION OF THE HOTEL AND WHERE IT WOULD BE SITUATED.

WELL, THERE WAS CONCERNS AROUND, WELL, WILL THIS ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD? WILL PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM.

SKEPTICISM IN GENERAL ABOUT VOUCHER PROGRAMS. AND IF THIS WAS THE RIGHT DIRECTION, CARLSBAD SHOULD BE TAKING THE RIGHT APPROACH, AS WELL AS THE BELIEF THAT MANY PEOPLE WERE SERVICE RESISTANT AND DO NOT WANT HELP.

SO WITH THAT, WE TOOK THAT FEEDBACK AS WELL AS WE LISTENED TO DIFFERENT RESEARCH, WE LOOKED AT AGAIN, BEST PRACTICES.

THE COUNTY DID COMMISSION A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY THROUGH SBSU'S PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN RESPONSE TO THEIR HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

SO WE READ THAT REPORT VERY THOROUGHLY AND THAT LOOKED AT SEVEN DIFFERENT MODELS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WERE HOUSING INDIVIDUALS DURING COVID 19 BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE STILL A COVID 19 PROGRAM FOR AT RISK INDIVIDUALS.

AND WE DID GLEAN AND PULLED DIFFERENT BEST PRACTICES AS WELL AS WITH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

SO WITH THIS AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE NO ILLEGAL DRUG USE ON SITE, SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR PROGRAM RULES.

WE WOULD HAVE PROGRAM EXPECTATIONS AND ACCOUNTABILITY SO INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE MAKING PROGRESS TOWARDS HOUSING GOALS.

THIS WOULDN'T BE JUST A FREE RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE JUST TO KIND OF HANG OUT.

WE WOULD BE HAVING EXPECTATIONS AND ALSO SCREENING PEOPLE FOR LEVEL OF NEED.

SO AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY MAYBE HAD TROUBLE WALKING OR COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY, THEN MAYBE THIS WOULDN'T BE THE BEST RESOURCE FOR THEM.

WE WOULD TRY TO BRIDGE THEM TO MORE APPROPRIATE SERVICES, JUST LIKE IF SOMEBODY WAS GRAVELY DISABLED AND UNABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES OR SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL, MAYBE THIS WOULDN'T BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF CARE WE'D BE WANTING TO BRIDGE THEM, AS WELL AS SOMEBODY WHO IS ACTIVELY GOING THROUGH DETOX.

WE WOULD BE TRYING TO BRIDGE THEM TO THE MOST APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF SERVICES.

WE JUST WOULDN'T SCREEN SOMEBODY OUT IF THEY DID HAVE UNDERLYING MEDICAL OR UNDERLYING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE USE ISSUES.

AND AGAIN, WE WOULD BE USING DATA.

WE WOULD BE USING SURVEYS AND OUTCOMES AND OUTCOME METRICS.

WE'D BE USING OUR HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM TO ENROLL PEOPLE, GET THEM BRIDGE TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY RESOURCES, AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE REPORTING BACK TO YOU GUYS AND PIVOTING AND MAKING CHANGES AS NECESSARY.

I THINK AGAIN, THIS IS A NEW PROGRAM INTO ONE OF THE IMPORTANT LESSONS IS HAVING FLEXIBILITY, BEING NIMBLE AND MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS ALONG THE WAY.

AND SO, AGAIN, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE CAME ACROSS DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION IS THAT WE DID REACH OUT TO MANY, MANY, MANY HOTELS.

BUT AGAIN, AS CARLSBAD, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ON OUR VERY ROBUST ECONOMY, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT AND BEAUTIFUL BEACHES.

WE ATTRACT A LOT OF GREAT TOURISM.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT BUSINESS TRAVELERS HERE.

AND SO THE HOTELS AND THE OCCUPANCY REALLY HAS BEEN REALLY HIGH.

AND SO IT'S REALLY HARD DURING THIS TIME TO BE ABLE TO EVEN HAVE HOTELS ENTERTAIN THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING SO MANY PEOPLE COMING IN JUST NATURALLY.

NOW, AS COVID RESTRICTIONS HAVE LIFTED AND MORE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING AS WELL AS THE ROOM RATES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, DOUBLE WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR.

SO MAYBE HOTELS THAT WERE MORE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND HAD MORE OF AN APPETITE LAST YEAR, WE FOUND THAT THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED.

AS WELL AS WE FOUND THAT HOTELS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MIXED POPULATIONS.

AS WE SAID THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SERVING ABOUT 30 ROOMS, SO SERVING PEOPLE WHO MAYBE WERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION, THERE WAS A CONCERN AND CONCERN FOR BRAND IMAGE BEING LABELED AS THAT TYPE OF HOTEL.

AND SO THAT WAS THE CONCERN THAT WE HEARD FROM SEVERAL HOTELS.

ANOTHER ISSUE WAS AROUND LAND USE.

SO AS WE STARTED TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS HOTEL AND KIND OF THE INTENDED USE, WE REALLY FELT THAT THIS VOUCHER PROGRAM REALLY MET THE DEFINITION OF AN EMERGENCY SHELTER.

AND ACCORDING TO OUR LAND USE DEFINITION, THIS IS A YEAR ROUND HOUSING PROGRAM THAT OFFERS MINIMAL SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH AN OCCUPANCY LIMITED TO SIX MONTHS OR LESS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, BY OUR ZONING ORDINANCES, WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO PUT

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SO OUT OF THE THIRTY SIX ZONES HERE IN CARLSBAD, WE ONLY ARE ALLOWED TO PUT EMERGENCY SHELTERS IN TWO ZONES.

AND SO WE CONTACTED THOSE HOTELS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, NO WILLING PARTICIPANTS.

BUT WE DO HAVE ONE HOTEL THAT IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE, BUT THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT ZONED IN AN AREA THAT ALLOWS EMERGENCY SHELTER.

AND LASTLY, WE DID HEAR A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY CONCERN, AS I REFERENCED EARLIER THROUGH THE TOWN HALLS.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN AROUND VOUCHER PROGRAMS INITIALLY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] WAS EXECUTED THE COMMUNITY, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WE WERE ALREADY OFFERING A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

WE HAD TO COMMUNICATE TO THEM YOU KNOW, JUST DISPELLING MYTHS AROUND HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAMS IN GENERAL.

THERE WAS CONCERNS AROUND AVENIDA ENCINAS.

OTHER NON-PROFITS AND OTHER MAYBE COUNTY PROGRAMS THAT WERE OPERATING THAT WERE INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY.

AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED TO KIND OF SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE HOTELS WERE LOCATED NEXT TO SCHOOLS OR PARKS OR DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE IN TO FEEDBACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE ROLLING OUT OUR PROGRAM AN SOME OF THE BARRIERS WE CAME ACROSS.

THANK YOU, HOLLY.

SO BECAUSE OF THOSE CHALLENGES IN IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM, STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED SOME ALTERNATIVES FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.

WE DO HAVE ONE SHORT TERM OPTION.

WE HAVE TWO MID-TERM OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM BETWEEN AND THEN THREE LONG TERM OPTIONS TO ASSIST IN PROVIDING SHELTER AND HOUSING FOR THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

SO THE FIRST OPTION WAS IDENTIFIED SO THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD RESPOND TO THE NEED FOR SHELTER DURING THE EVENING HOURS, WHICH MORE ALLOWS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN ENFORCING A CAMPING ORDINANCE AT NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED ACCESS TO SHELTER BEDS, THE CITY ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS HAVE BEEN LIMITED.

THIS VOUCHER PROGRAM WOULD PROVIDE FOR ONE EVENING HOTEL VOUCHERS AUTHORIZED AT A TIME, SO IT'S LIMITED TERM AND IT'S AUTHORIZED NIGHT BY NIGHT.

AT AN ECONOMY HOTEL WITH THE INTENT OF PROVIDING AN IMMEDIATE SHELTER ALTERNATIVE TO CAMPING OR SLEEPING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

BECAUSE THIS PROGRAM WOULD MOST COMMONLY BE ACCESSED AT NIGHT.

IT IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE DISCRETION TO PROVIDE THIS ASSISTANCE UNTIL THE NEXT MORNING, WHEN THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM CAN VISIT THE INDIVIDUAL WITH SOCIAL WORKERS TO OFFER ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.

THIS IS INTENDED TO OPERATE AS A PILOT PROGRAM WITH QUARTERLY UPDATES, AND WE WOULD BE REPORTING OUT EVALUATING AND REPORTING OUT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

AND THE ESTIMATED BUDGET FOR THIS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THIS WOULD BE UTILIZED FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATED FUNDS FOR ORIGINALLY FOR THE HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AND THIS OPTION, JUST TO POINT OUT, CAN BE IMPLEMENTED ALONGSIDE ANOTHER HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, IF SELECTED, THAT PROVIDES LONGER STAYS TO BRIDGE TO OTHER HEALTH AND ALTERNATIVES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE MIDTERM OPTIONS NEXT.

BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO STAY IN THIS HOTEL OPTION FOR ONE NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY AFTER ONE NIGHT, THEIR OPTIONS ARE LIMITED.

SO THERE IS POTENTIAL THAT IF WE HAD ANOTHER HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT AFTER THAT INITIAL NIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO ENTER INTO THE OTHER VOUCHER PROGRAM.

THE NEXT TWO HOTEL VOUCHER OPTIONS ARE IDENTIFIED TO RESPOND TO THE PROGRAM APPROVED IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S WORK PLAN.

THE FIRST OPTION PRESENTED HERE IS CLOSEST TO THE PROGRAM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

SO AS HOLLY STATED, WE DO HAVE ONE HOTEL, THE HYLAND INN THAT'S INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THE CENTRALIZED PROGRAM.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HOTEL IS LOCATED IN A ZONE THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR EMERGENCY SHELTER ON SITE.

SO A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT WOULD TAKE WELL OVER SIX MONTHS TO ACHIEVE.

SO THE ONLY WAY TO OPERATE THIS IN THE SHORT TERM WOULD BE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION.

THE OTHER CAVEAT SINCE THE CITY DOES NOT OWN OR LEASE THE ENTIRE SITE, THE ENTIRE LOCATION WOULD HAVE TO BE USED FOR A HOMELESS SHELTER.

SO THE HYLAND INN IS ALREADY HOSTING OTHER HOMELESS PROGRAMS AT ITS LOCATION, SO IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THESE USES COULD USE THE HOTEL FOR SIMILAR PURPOSES.

THIS OPTION DOES PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES ON SITE AND WOULD HAVE SECURITY TO

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RESIDENTS COULD STAY HERE UP TO SIX MONTHS TO ALLOW THEM TIME TO OBTAIN OTHER HOUSING OPTIONS.

THE NEXT HOTEL VOUCHER OPTION IS ALSO MID-TERM STAY, ALLOWING RESIDENTS TO BE HOUSED UP FOR UP TO SIX MONTHS, BUT WOULD OPERATE IN A SCATTERED SITE MODEL AS OPPOSED TO A CENTRALIZED LOCATION.

IN THIS PROGRAM, INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE HOUSED AT VARIOUS HOTELS AND WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MOVE EACH MONTH AS THEY WOULD NOT BE RESIDENTS AT THAT LOCATION.

SERVICES WOULD BE LOCATED WOULD BE PROVIDED OFFSITE IN THIS PROGRAM.

IN ADDITION TO HOTEL VOUCHER OPTIONS STAFF IDENTIFIED SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT MAY HELP ACCOMPLISH THE CITY COUNCIL GOAL OF REDUCING THE UNSHELTERED POPULATION BY PROVIDING INCREASED OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL SHELTER AND HOUSING.

THE FIRST OPTION IS FOR THE CITY TO ASSIST CATHOLIC CHARITIES, EXPAND THE CITY'S ONLY EMERGENCY SHELTER TO ALLOW GREATER CAPACITY AND TO INCLUDE WOMEN.

THE SHELTER LA POSADA, AS YOU KNOW, IT CURRENTLY SERVES ONLY MEN.

THE CITY HAS ALREADY CONTRIBUTED GREATLY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SHELTER AND MOST RECENTLY PROVIDED SIXTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING IN THE CURRENT YEAR FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO EXPAND THEIR CAPACITY.

IF THAT'S DEEMED FEASIBLE, THEY WOULD NEED TO PROCEED WITH ADDITIONAL PREDEVELOPMENT COSTS AND THEN EVENTUALLY CAPITAL COSTS FOR POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION DOWN THE ROAD.

SO NO ADDITIONAL FUNDS WOULD BE NEEDED AT THIS TIME, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN THE FUTURE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR EXPANSION.

AND THEN ITEM FIVE LISTED HERE IS DIRECTING STAFF TO POTENTIALLY EXPAND THE ZONES OR HOUSING MODEL DEFINITIONS IN THE ZONING CODE TO INCREASE FLEXIBILITY AND PROVIDE GREATER HOUSING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

THIS IS ALREADY AN ITEM IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE ZONING CODE, AND NO ADDITIONAL FUNDS ARE NEEDED FOR THIS FUNCTION.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE'S A NEW FUNDING RESOURCE, IT'S CALLED PROJECT HOMEKEY, IT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

AND THIS COULD BE USED TO CREATE INTERIM OR PERMANENT HOUSING FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.

WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED TO APPLY FOR THESE FUNDS, BUT IF THE CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE INTERESTED IN REVIEWING OPTIONS FOR THESE FUNDS STAFF COULD RETURN BACK WITH A REPORT OF ANY ELIGIBLE PROJECTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

SO NO ADDITIONAL FUNDS ARE NEEDED AT THIS TIME FOR THAT OPTION.

SO THAT CONCLUDES THE DESCRIPTION OF ALL OPTIONS.

SO IN SUMMARY, THERE ARE SIX OPTIONS PRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THE CITY COUNCIL COULD SELECT UP TO FIVE OF THE SIX.

THE ONLY TWO THAT TO SELECT FROM WOULD BE NUMBER TWO AND THREE, AS THOSE ARE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE SAME HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AND WE WOULD ONLY BE OPERATING ONE OF THOSE.

SO ON THE MID-TERM SOLUTIONS, YOU WOULD BE SELECTING BETWEEN BETWEEN THE TWO OR NEITHER.

AND WITH THAT, WE'RE CONCLUDED WITH OUR PRESENTATION ON ITEM EIGHT.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EARLIER YOUR DESIRE IS TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR THE PRESENTATION ON ITEM NINE BEFORE ANY QUESTIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT? YES.

OK GREAT THANK YOU.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MARISSA KAWECKI.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

I'M PRESENTING ITEM NINE THE QUALITY OF LIFE ORDINANCE PACKAGE, WHICH IS AN AMENDED VERSION FROM WHAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU ON THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING.

TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL JUST DO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE ORDINANCE PACKAGE SINCE WE HAD A PRETTY LENGTHY PRESENTATION AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING.

MOSTLY, HOWEVER, WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON NEW OPTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC CAMPAIGN RESTRICTION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THE RECOMMENDED ACTION TODAY IS TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE IN OPTION TWO WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.

THAT OPTION HAS A VARIATION ON THE PUBLIC CAMPING ORDINANCE THAT, IN STAFF'S OPINION, PROVIDES THE GREATEST ENFORCEMENT FLEXIBILITY.

IT'S ALSO EXHIBIT C IN YOUR MATERIALS TO THAT STAFF REPORT AND THAT ENTIRE ORDINANCE, INCLUDING THAT SECTION IN CHAPTER 8.36, IT WOULD AMEND TITLE EIGHT TO ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS AND PUBLIC SPACES.

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THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE, UPDATE AND AMENDMENT IS TO ADD ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS THAT ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S HOMELESS RESPONSE PLAN AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOAL TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS BY 50 PERCENT.

IN 2017, WHEN THE HOMELESS RESPONSE PLAN WAS ADOPTED ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO REVIEW AND

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THE SECOND BULLET RESPOND TO COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND ADDRESS CONCERNS WITH THE PUBLIC REGARDING PEACE SAFETY, HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS, WE DEFINITELY HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK THAT IS SEEKING SOME OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE'RE STRIVING TO USE A BALANCED APPROACH NOT STRICTLY ENFORCING ORDINANCES, BUT ALSO PROVIDING RESOURCES SO THAT WE CAN LINK INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS TO THE RECOMMENDED RESOURCES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THE PROPOSED CHANGES BEFORE YOU IN THIS LIST IS ALL OF THE CHANGES.

WE WILL BE FOCUSING TODAY ON THE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER EIGHT POINT THREE SIX, WHICH IS CURRENTLY TITLED CAMPING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING, WE DID MENTION THE OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD ULTIMATELY BE VOTING ON TODAY FOR INTRODUCTION.

THOSE CHANGES ARE AMENDING SECTION 8.28.050, WHICH IS TITLED THE DISTRIBUTION OR SOLICITATION TO PERSONS IN VEHICLES, AND THAT AMENDMENT WOULD JUST BE SIMPLY ADDING SALES IN ADDITION TO DISTRIBUTION OR SOLICITATION.

WE WOULD BE SEEKING TO ADD A NEW CHAPTER TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE 8.34 TITLED SOLICITATION.

THAT PROVISION SOLICITATION WOULD DEAL WITH AGGRESSIVE SOLICITATION SOLICITATION BY APPROACHING MOTOR VEHICLES AND THEN SOLICITATION IN PARKING LOTS AFTER SUNSET.

IT IS A VERY, VERY NARROW SCOPE BECAUSE WE ARE LIMITED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS TO WHAT WE CAN REGULATE IN THAT AREA.

THE FOURTH BULLET POINT IS A PROPOSAL TO ADD A NEW CHAPTER TO 8.38.

I'M SORRY.

ADD A NEW CHAPTER 8.38, WHICH COVERS OBSTRUCTION OF PROPERTY.

THIS INCLUDES BOTH PUBLIC PROPERTIES SUCH AS SIDEWALKS, ROADS, PARKS AND ALSO PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, SUCH AS PARKING LOTS.

AND THIS DOESN'T JUST MEAN SOMEONE STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF A SIDEWALK.

IT HAS TO BE OBSTRUCTING FULLY OR PARTIALLY AND BLOCKING ACCESS TO THOSE AREAS.

AGAIN, AND IT WOULD COVER ALL OF THESE AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

TRESPASS, TRESPASS JUST TO REVIEW AGAIN IS DEALING WITH TRESPASS IN PARKING LOTS, SHOPPING CENTER PROPERTIES AND OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OPEN TO THE PATRONAGE OF THE PUBLIC AND THEN FINALLY DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT SUBSECTIONS.

SOME OF THEM INCLUDE FIGHTING OR THREATENING BEHAVIOR, WHICH WOULD BE THREATENING TO A REASONABLE PERSON CONDUCT THAT'S VULGAR OR OFFENSIVE TO A REASONABLE PERSON AND THE LIKE.

AND AGAIN, ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS HAVE BEEN VETTED TO ENSURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.

AND FINALLY, I'M SORRY, THE LAST BULLET POINT, IF YOU COULD GO BACK, IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO EXISTING SECTION 8.44.040 REGARDING POSSESSION OR CONSUMPTION OF OPEN ALCOHOL CONTAINERS.

AND THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ADD HOLIDAY PARK AND PINE PARK TO THE LIST OF OTHER LOCATIONS, WHICH MAINLY FOCUS ON THE VILLAGE BARRIO AREA IS WHERE THIS CONDUCT WOULD BE PROHIBITED WITHOUT A PERMIT.

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SO AGAIN, TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS FOCUSING ON THE PROPOSED AMENDED CHAPTER 8.36, WHICH WOULD BE RETITLED UNLAWFUL CAMPING FIRES ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AND STORAGE OF PROPERTY.

THIS CHAPTER WOULD EXPAND THE DEFINITION SECTION TO AID BOTH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THEIR ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THE PUBLIC BETTER NOTICE OF WHAT WOULD BE EITHER COMPLIANCE OR A VIOLATION OF THIS CHAPTER.

IT AMENDS THE PUBLIC CAMPING ORDINANCE TO COMPLY WITH MARTIN VERSUS BOISE.

THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, IF IT WERE ENFORCED AS WRITTEN, WOULD NOT COMPLY WITH THIS CASE.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE EVER SINCE THIS CASE CAME DOWN, BEEN MODIFYING OUR ENFORCEMENT TO BE LEGALLY COMPLIANT.

THE THIRD BULLET POINT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD PROHIBIT CAMPING ON OPEN SPACE AND PRIVATE PROPERTY.

MANY OTHER CITIES HAVE AMENDED THEIR CAMPING ORDINANCES TO EXPAND TO OPEN SPACE PROPERTY, AND MANY PREVIOUSLY PRIOR TO THE MARTIN CASE, HAD PROHIBITIONS BY CAMPING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD PROHIBIT FIRES AND COOKING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY WITHOUT A PERMIT OR CITY MANAGER APPROVAL.

AND THEN FINALLY PROHIBIT STORAGE FOR LEAVING UNATTENDED PERSONAL PROPERTY IN PUBLIC AREAS.

JUST A QUALIFIER IN THE LAST BULLET POINT, AND I WILL MENTION THIS AT THE END AS WELL, THAT THERE ARE POLICIES WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TRAINING BULLETINS THAT EXPAND FURTHER AND WOULD EXPAND FURTHER ON THIS ORDINANCE TO ENSURE THAT ALL DUE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS ARE SATISFIED.

FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING AND DESTROYING PROPERTY WITHOUT NOTICE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

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SO IN CRAFTING THE ORDINANCES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND THEN ALSO AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM OPTIONS, THERE ARE SOME LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS AND CONSTRAINTS THAT THE MARTIN VS.

BOISE CASE POSES.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE.

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HOWEVER, MANY JURISDICTIONS WOULDN'T SATISFY THAT FIRST FACTOR, NOR WOULD CARLSBAD.

SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF GO TO A SECOND MEANS OF SATISFYING THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT IF A PERSON HAS ACCESS TO ADEQUATE TEMPORARY SHELTER, WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MEANS TO PAY FOR IT OR BECAUSE IT IS REALISTICALLY AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR FREE, THAT ENTIRE QUOTATION IS FROM THE CASE AND THEN THAT PERSON REFUSES SUCH SHELTER THEY COULD BE CITED .

IN A NUTSHELL WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE PERSON EITHER IS GIVEN SHELTER BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY SUCH AS A BED AND A HOMELESS SHELTER OR A VOUCHER TO STAY AT A HOTEL.

OR THAT PERSON ADMITTEDLY SAYS, I HAVE A PLACE TO STAY, BUT I CHOOSE NOT TO GO THERE.

IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT PERSON COULD BE CITED FOR UNLAWFUL CAMPING, AND THERE COULD BE A CASE WHERE A JURISDICTION HAS MORE SHELTER BEDS AVAILABLE, AND THEY ALSO ARE ABLE TO OFFER SOMEONE A BED SPACE AND THEY REFUSE IT.

SO UNDER EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE, A CITATION COULD BE ISSUED.

ADDITIONALLY, THE MARTIN VS.

BOISE CASE TALKS ABOUT OTHER CITATIONS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF CAMPING.

IT STATES THAT AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING SITTING, LYING OR SLEEPING OUTSIDE A PARTICULAR TIMES OR IN PARTICULAR LOCATIONS MAY VERY WELL BE CONSTITUTIONALLY COMPLIANT.

SO SOME OF THESE ARE CAMPING ORDINANCES.

SOME OF THESE ARE OTHER TYPES OF ORDINANCES THAT CITIES HAVE ADOPTED.

BUT THE POINT IS THAT IF THE ORDINANCE IS TAILORED TO ALLOW THESE ACTIVITIES AT A CERTAIN TIME OR LOCATION, THEN IT COULD BE CONSTITUTIONALLY COMPLIANT.

AND FINALLY, WHEN DEALING WITH CAMPING OR OTHER CITATIONS, SUCH AS OBSTRUCTION OF PROPERTY, THE COURT BASICALLY DIDN'T TOUCH THOSE TYPES OF ORDINANCES, IT SAYS AN ORDINANCE BARRING THE OBSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY OR THE ERECTION OF CERTAIN STRUCTURES.

IT'S NOT REALLY IMPACTED BY THIS CASE.

SO HENCE YOU SEE THE CHAPTER 8.38 THAT WE'VE PROPOSED, AND MANY CITIES ALREADY HAD CHAPTERS SUCH AS OUR OBSTRUCTION AND TRESPASS CHAPTER ON THE BOOKS BEFORE THE MARTIN CASE, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN UNAFFECTED BY THE CASE.

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SO AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THIS VERSION OF THE TEXT, THIS IS AFTER 8.36 SUBSECTION .

030 A WE PRESENTED THIS LANGUAGE FOR THAT SUBSECTION AND THIS A 1 IS WHAT THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDED THAT WE STRIKE AND RETURN BACK.

IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO CAMP BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6 A.M.

AND 10 P.M.

IN OR UPON ANY PUBLIC STREET, PUBLIC PARK, PUBLIC BEACH OR OTHER PUBLIC PLACE, EXCEPT IN THOSE AREAS WHICH HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY POSTED, DESIGNATED OR PERMITTED FOR SUCH PURPOSES.

AND THE CONCERN HERE WAS THAT THIS ORDINANCE ALLOWS, QUOTE UNQUOTE, PEOPLE TO CAMP DURING THE EVENING HOURS WHILE PROHIBITING DAY CAMPING.

SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO HERE'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE STRIKE IT AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS WHAT IT APPEARS AS YOUR OPTION, 1A IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, ONCE WE OBVIOUSLY CHANGE THE SPACING AND THE THE PARAGRAPHING A AND B, SO IT READS THAT IT'S UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO CAMP OR SLEEP IN OPEN SPACE AT ANY TIME.

AND THEN THE SECOND PROVISION CAMP OR SLEEP AT ANY TIME AND IN ANY LOCATION OF THE CITY AND THE REMAINING LANGUAGE, ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T CAMP OR SLEEP ANYWHERE IN THE CITY IF WE OFFER YOU SHELTER AND YOU REFUSE IT, OR IF YOU ADMIT THAT YOU HAVE SHELTER AND YOU REFUSE TO TAKE SHELTER.

SO THAT'S OPTION 1A, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GAVE US.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OPTION 1B, IF THE COUNCIL WERE INCLINED TO GO WITH WHAT WAS DIRECTED AS OPPOSED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN OPTION TWO, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE LANGUAGE BE CLEANED UP TO BE MORE LEGALLY COMPLIANT.

IN THE STRIKEOUTS IN THE BLUE HERE THIS IS WHAT THE CHANGE IS.

SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS, INSTEAD OF SAYING AT ANY TIME AND IN ANY LOCATION, WE LIST OUT THESE PUBLIC PLACES AND THEN WE PROVIDE FOR AN EXCEPTION FOR AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED FOR CAMPING.

WE DO HAVE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY WHERE WE ALLOW CAMPING.

AND SO IF WE KEPT THE LANGUAGE AS DIRECTED IN 1A, THEN WE'RE KIND OF UNDERMINING OUR OWN ALLOWANCES IN THE CITY AND IT WOULD BE OVERLY BROAD THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE AND THEN THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE IS JUST MEANT TO TRACK WHAT THE MARTIN CASE IT TRACKS IT MORE CLOSELY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CASE LAW INTERPRETING THIS CASE BECAUSE IT IS RELATIVELY NEW.

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IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE MEANING MUCH FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE.

OPTION 1 C THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I'M SORRY.

OPTION TWO THIS IS EXHIBIT 1 C OR 2 C.

SO STAFF TOOK INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTED.

WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH A VERSION THAT ACTUALLY GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN OPTION 1A IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT FLEXIBILITY.

SO THIS OPTION, WHAT WE DID IS WE PUT UP FRONT.

THIS IS HOW OUR ORDINANCE ACTUALLY THE FIRST SENTENCE IS WHAT THE CURRENT CAMPING ORDINANCE STATES THAT IT'S UNLAWFUL TO CAMP IN THESE PLACES, THESE PUBLIC PLACES, UNLESS THERE'S BEEN A SPECIFIC DESIGNATION OR PERMIT.

AND THEN WE ADDED THE BLUE WORDING FOR ENFORCEMENT OF THIS SECTION BETWEEN 10 P.M.

AND 6 A.M., WHICH MAY INCLUDE SLEEPING SO NOT ONLY CAMPING, BUT ALSO SLEEPING.

IF YOU'RE GIVEN A VOUCHER OR IF YOU ARE OFFERED SHELTER AND YOU REFUSE IT, THEN THE CITY MAY ENFORCE THIS SECTION.

OTHERWISE, DURING THE DAYTIME, WE COULD ENFORCE IT WHETHER YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND REFUSE SHELTER AND THEN THE SECOND PROVISION WE LEFT UNCHANGED, THAT IT'S UNLAWFUL TO CAMP OR SLEEP IN OPEN SPACE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO COMPARING THE OPTIONS, I KNOW THE DISTINCTION IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING TO SEE UNLESS YOU TAKE OUT ALL YOUR PIECES OF THE STAFF REPORT AND LOOK AT THEM SIDE BY SIDE, BUT WE TRIED TO SUMMARIZE THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES IN THE STAFF REPORT.

PROS AND CONS.

ALSO IN THIS CHART, OPTION 1A IT'S ENFORCEABLE AT ALL TIMES A DAY IF SHELTER IS AVAILABLE.

SO REALLY OPTIONS 1A AND 1B ARE CONTINGENT ON.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO VOTE FOR A VOUCHER PROGRAM, BUT CONSIDERING THE LIMITATION OF SHELTER AVAILABILITY IN CARLSBAD AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PLACE INDIVIDUALS IN SHELTERS IF WE DON'T HAVE OTHER MEANS, SUCH AS A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

SO IF OPTION 1A, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL GOES WITH, IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING TO SITE UNLESS WE HAVE A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S THE BED SPACE IS EXTREMELY LIMITED.

IF OPTION ONE B, IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO GO WITH THAT, WHICH AGAIN, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OVER ONE A.

IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO GO WITH 1A.

AGAIN, IT'S ENFORCEABLE ALL TIMES OF DAY ONLY IF SHELTER IS AVAILABLE.

BUT IT WOULD RETAIN THE EXCEPTION FOR LEGAL CAMPGROUNDS THAT THAT'S LAWFUL TO CAMP THERE, AND IT MIRRORS EXACTLY THE MARTIN CASE LANGUAGE.

AN OPTION 2 THIS OPTION WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE DURING THE DAY, REGARDLESS OF SHELTER AVAILABILITY, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE COUNCIL IS INCLINED NOT TO VOTE FOR ANY HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAMS, IF YOU CHOOSE OPTION TWO OF THE ORDINANCE, THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO AT LEAST ENFORCE THE CAMPING PUBLIC CAMPING ORDINANCE DURING THE DAY.

AND THEN YOU CAN ENFORCE IT AT NIGHT IF SHELTER IS AVAILABLE BY A VOUCHER PROGRAM OR OTHERWISE.

AND THEN AGAIN, THIS LANGUAGE IN OPTION TWO MIRRORS THE COURT RULING EXACTLY.

SO THAT IS WHY WE WANTED TO PRESENT THESE OPTIONS TOGETHER.

THEY ARE TECHNICALLY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT YOU KNOW CHOOSE TO ADOPT A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM [INAUDIBLE] THIS ORDINANCE.

THE DECISION CAN BE MADE SEPARATELY, BUT WE JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE THESE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND WHEN VOTING FOR THESE TWO ITEMS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, WHILE I ONLY PRESENTED MOSTLY ON CHAPTER 8.36, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU DO ALL OF THESE THINGS THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE.

YOU'D BE AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT POINT THREE SIX.

AND AGAIN, WE RECOMMEND INTRODUCING THE PROVISION IN OPTION TWO TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY.

AMENDING SECTION EIGHT POINT TWO EIGHT ZERO FIVE ZERO THE NEW CHAPTER EIGHT POINT THREE FOUR ON SOLICITATION, THE NEW CHAPTER EIGHT POINT THREE EIGHT ON OBSTRUCTION OF PROPERTY, TRESPASS AND DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

AND FINALLY AMENDING SECTION EIGHT POINT FOUR FOUR ZERO FOUR ZERO REGARDING CONSUMPTION OR POSSESSION OF OPEN CONTAINERS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THE NEXT STEP.

THIS IS THE STANDARD WITH ANY ORDINANCE, IF THE ORDINANCE WERE TO BE INTRODUCED TODAY, THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION WOULD BE OCTOBER 12TH AND THEN THE ORDINANCE WOULD GO INTO EFFECT 30 DAYS AFTER APPROXIMATELY ON 11-11-2021.

IN THE INTERIM BETWEEN THE INTRODUCTION AND THE ORDINANCE BECOMING EFFECTIVE, WE WOULD BE CONDUCTING PUBLIC OUTREACH AND EDUCATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE HOMELESS POPULATION UNDERSTANDS HOW TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE AND, OF COURSE, OFFERING OF RESOURCES TO ENCOURAGE SUCH COMPLIANCE.

WE WOULD ALSO BE ONCE THE ORDINANCE GOES INTO EFFECT WE'D BE TRACKING DATA SUCH

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WE WOULD BE ENSURING THAT ANY CASE FILINGS FULFILL THE GOALS OF THE CITY'S HOMELESS RESPONSE PLAN AND THROUGH PLEA OFFERS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE'D SEEK TO LINK DEFENDANTS TO HOMELESS SERVICES WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVEN'T.

AS A PROSECUTOR, I HAVEN'T RECOMMENDED JAIL TIME WITHOUT PROBATION FOR ANY OF THE CAMPING CASES THAT WE HAD PRIOR TO THE MARTIN CASE, AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY WOULD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE DOING THAT GOING FORWARD.

SO AND AT THIS TIME, IF ANYONE CITED FOR A MISDEMEANOR, IT'S A CITE AND RELEASE SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE HELD IN CUSTODY AWAITING FOR THEIR CASE.

WE WOULD ALSO REVIEW CITY POLICIES SUCH AS THE POLICE POLICIES FOR STORAGE OF PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY COMPLIANT IN WITH REGARD TO DUE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN WE WOULD PROVIDE ORDINANCE IMPLEMENTATION UPDATES AS APPROPRIATE AND THE QUARTERLY CITY COUNCIL GOAL UPDATES FOR THE REDUCING HOMELESSNESS BY 50 PERCENT.

AND WITH THAT, THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO I THINK THAT KIND OF CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION FOR BOTH EIGHT AND NINE, I THINK NOW YOU WANTED TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND QUESTIONS.

JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO STOP SHARING MY SCREEN FOR ANY PART OF THAT.

WE DO HAVE THE OPTIONS FOR ITEM EIGHT, AS WELL AS THE OPTIONS FOR ITEM NINE READY FOR WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION.

OK, IF YOU WOULD STOP SHARING YOUR SCREEN THAT WAY, I CAN SEE THE COUNCIL, IF YOU WILL.

WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS EIGHT AND NINE COULD YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE TO RAISE YOUR HAND OR JUST SIMPLY RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY? WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM MAYOR.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS GREG ANGLIA.

PLEASE UNMUTE WHEN YOU'RE READY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS APPRECIATE WE AT INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES WHERE I SERVE AS CEO, APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT STAFF AND COUNCIL AND OUR PARTNERS IN THE CITY ARE TAKING ON THIS ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS.

YOU'RE TO BE COMMENDED FOR REALLY TAKING ON ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX ISSUES FACING OUR COMMUNITY.

I SHARED MY THOUGHTS AGAIN VIA WRITING, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SHARING THEM A LITTLE FARTHER IN ADVANCE, THEY JUST CAME IN TODAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE A FEW THINGS HERE.

INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES FULLY SUPPORTS OPTION FOUR THE EXPANSION OF THE LA POSADA SHELTER SITE.

IT'S A PROVEN EFFECTIVE INTERVENTION.

IT'S THERE.

IT WORKS MORE SUPPORT THAT YOU ALL ARE DIRECTING TOWARDS THEIR SERVICES AND EXPANDING WHO THEY SERVE IS A NO BRAINER AND A REALLY SMART INVESTMENT.

WE ALSO FULLY SUPPORT OPTION SIX, THE EXPLORATION OF PROJECT HOMEKEY FUNDS.

THE TIMING IS VERY SHORT TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A PROJECT FOR THIS FUNDING CYCLE, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES IS WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER NORTH COUNTY CITIES WITH THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS ON PROJECT HOMEKEY OPPORTUNITIES.

AND WE WOULD GLADLY WORK WITH THE CITY TO EXPLORE OPTIONS AND BRING OUR EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE IN BRINGING RESOURCES FORWARD TO CREATE INTERIM AND PERMANENT HOUSING OPTIONS.

WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT WE OPERATED IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THE OPTION TO DO THAT AT THE HYLAND INN COULD BE SUCCESSFUL.

IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF RESOURCES.

IT WOULD BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

WE DID SHARE OUR BEST PRACTICES AND LESSONS IN RESPONSE TO THE CITY'S REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, WHICH I'M SURE STAFF CAN SHARE.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

IN OUR EXPERIENCES, THE OTHER OPTIONS OPTIONS ONE AND THREE ARE COST EFFECTIVE BUT UNLIKELY TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND RISK OVERBURDENING THE LIMITED RESPONSE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW WITH OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM AND WITH OUR OTHER VERY LIMITED RESOURCES.

FINALLY, WE WANTED TO REITERATE OUR SUPPORT FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, THOUGHTFULNESS AND COMMITMENT TO ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AND ALSO ENCOURAGE WORKING REGIONALLY.

THIS IS A REGIONAL PROBLEM, I READ THE COMMENTS FROM OTHERS WHO PROVIDED COMMENT IN WRITING, AND THEY TALKED A LOT ABOUT RISING HOMELESSNESS IN CARLSBAD.

I WANT TO ASSURE EVERYONE LISTENING TO THIS.

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM UNIQUE TO CARLSBAD.

VISIBLE STREET HOMELESSNESS IS ON THE RISE THROUGHOUT EVERY COMMUNITY WE WORK IN, IN NORTH COUNTY, AND IT WILL ONLY BE ADDRESSED WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP IN NORTH COUNTY

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THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN BRADY.

CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS JOHN BRADY.

I AM WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE ADVISORS WE'RE A GROUP OF FORMERLY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS WHO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF HOMELESS ACROSS THE COUNTY.

I WANTED TO ALSO COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING A LEADERSHIP ROLE AND REALLY PUTTING A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO HOW YOU'RE GOING TO APPROACH HOMELESSNESS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT IN TERMS OF HOUSING OPTIONS TWO AND OPTION SIX.

IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT HOUSING FIRST DOES WORK.

IT'S TRULY PROVIDING HOUSING IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THOSE THAT ARE LIVING UNSHELTERED ON OUR STREETS.

WE SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF MONEY ATTEMPTING TO ENFORCE, CRIMINALIZE AND MOVE PEOPLE AROUND EVEN THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO CURRENTLY, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE BENEFIT WOULD BE IF WE SIMPLY HOUSED THEM AND PROVIDED THE SERVICES NECESSARY.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THE LEARNING ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS THE CRIMINALIZATION OF HOMELESSNESS DOESN'T WORK.

IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT FOR THOSE THAT ARE ON OUR STREETS TO RECOVER FROM HOMELESSNESS.

AND SO IN THAT LIGHT, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO TIGHTEN UP YOUR REGULATIONS IN THIS CITY TO PURSUE OPTION NUMBER TWO, IT IS THE MOST HUMANE APPROACH ALLOWING PEOPLE.

AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT SHELTERS AS AN OPTION ARE NOT NECESSARILY VIABLE FOR EVERYONE.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH SEVERE MENTAL ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES ON THE STREET THAT REALLY PRECLUDE THEM FROM PARTICIPATING IN THAT TYPE OF A PROGRAM.

I DO WANT TO FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, SAY THAT OPTION ONE AND OPTION THREE ARE NOT VIABLE OPTIONS IN TERMS OF HOUSING.

I ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MANAGE FOUR HOTEL ROOMS IN SAN DIEGO IN A SCATTERED SITE OPERATION WITHOUT ADEQUATE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT WAS RESOURCE INTENSIVE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THE OPTION TWO AND ALSO LOOKING INTO OPTION SIX.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE REGIONAL SOLUTION.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ELLIE, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

OH, PERFECT, THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.

WE LOST HER.

HELLO.

I'M BACK.

RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOU HAVE READ THE PACKET SUBMITTED ON ITEM EIGHT FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

OK, SO, YOU KNOW, ON THE SURFACE OF THIS PROPOSAL, IT LOOKS AND SOUNDS REALLY COMPASSIONATE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, IT REALLY ISN'T IN MY OPINION, THERE'S A DARK SIDE THAT SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED.

AND HELPING THE HOMELESS IS TO SUPPORT AND EMPOWER THESE INDIVIDUALS.

AND IT LOOKS AT.

AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL, YOU'LL CONTINUE.

IT JUST CONTINUES TO PERPETUATE THEIR LIFESTYLE.

IT PERPETUATES HOMELESSNESS.

IT'S NOT A CURE, BUT COMMISSION.

I THINK WANTING TO CLAIM FUNDING FROM FEMA USING THE HOMELESS TO SECURE AND LINE POCKETS AND PROJECTS.

IT'S NOT COMPASSIONATE TO SHUTTLE THESE PEOPLE FROM CITY TO CITY LOOKING FOR GOVERNMENT FUNDING.

WE'RE JUST, GOVERNMENTS JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOVERNMENT'S KIND OF GOOD AT.

SORRY TO SAY, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT IS A HORRIBLE CHARITY WHO KEEP PEOPLE DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT RESOURCES.

AND MY SUGGESTION AND IS TO BASICALLY REACH OUT TO PRIVATE CHARITIES AND CHURCHES THAT KNOW HOW TO SUPPORT AND EMPOWER PEOPLE.

THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT IT.

THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOREVER.

OTHERWISE, THIS IS EXPLOITATIVE, DEGRADING AND FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.

THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO CURE THE HOMELESS PROGRAM.

IF YOU'RE RECEIVING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM STATE OR FEDERAL MONEY, THERE JUST ISN'T.

THERE'S NO INCENTIVE.

AGAIN, PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING OUT THERE READ THE PROPOSAL, WHOEVER'S LISTENING.

CARLSBAD HAS NO INTENTION TO SOLVING THIS HOMELESS SITUATION INSTEAD OF TREATING THESE PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY AND GIVING THEM A HELPING HAND.

THEY'RE EXPLOITING THE HOMELESS FOR FEDERAL MONEY.

VOUCHERS ACT AS A MAGNET FOR TRANSIENTS.

AND THIS PROPOSAL IS GOING TO CONSIDER DECLARING ANOTHER EMERGENCY SHELTER CRISIS IN ORDER TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THIS COUNCIL CREATED.

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AND HOTEL OWNERS WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO COMPLY.

WHAT INCENTIVE DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE TO RETURN THAT POWER BACK TO THE CITIZENS WHERE IT BELONGS? THERE IS NO INCENTIVE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS FROM CATHOLIC CHARITIES SAN DIEGO.

PLEASE UNMUTE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS IS VINO PAJANOR, CEO OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES, AND I ONCE AGAIN COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THINKING ABOUT OUR HOMELESS BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO ARE OUT THERE.

THERE IS NO ONE SOLUTION FOR HOMELESSNESS.

CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAS BEEN OPERATING AND MANAGING LA POSADA FOR MANY YEARS AND DECADES IN CARLSBAD.

AND WE HAVE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR, AND WE ARE BEING A PLACE WHERE WHICH MEN CAN COME IN AND BE SHELTERED THERE.

IN THIS LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY HAS FUNDED CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO LOOK AT OPTIONS TO EXPAND ITS CURRENT CAPACITY.

AND YOU ALL HAVE INVESTED CLOSE TO ABOUT $100,000 IN THAT COURSE.

WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING CLOSE TO ABOUT MORE THAN 100 BEDS TO THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF LA POSADA.

IN OUR PROPOSAL THAT WE SUBMITTED IN TWO FISCAL CYCLES AGO, WHICH YOU ALL FUNDED TO DO THE PHASE ONE STUDY WAS TO EXPAND THE BED CAPACITY, AS IS.

THE PHASE TWO IS WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING A SECOND LEVEL WHERE WOMEN AND WOMEN WITH CHILDREN COULD BE HOUSED THERE.

MAKING LA POSADA A MORE ONE PLACE FOR BOTH MEN AND WOMEN AND WOMEN WITH CHILDREN TO BE HOUSED AND SHELTERED TO PROVIDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES.

AS GREG [INAUDIBLE], MY FRIEND AND PARTNER THERE IN NORTH COUNTY HAD MENTIONED WE ARE PART OF A REGIONAL SOLUTION.

AND THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIPS, WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW NOT ONLY IN CARLSBAD, BUT OTHER CITIES IN NORTH COUNTY, THEY CAN COME TOGETHER TO CREATE A SOLUTION THAT IS REGIONAL.

AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, HOMELESS ARE TRANSIENT.

THEY MOVE FROM CARLSBAD, THEY GO TO ENCINITAS, THEY'LL GO TO VISTA, OCEANSIDE AND OTHER PLACES.

SO IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE OUTCOME, WE HAVE TO CREATE A REGIONAL SOLUTION.

AND LA POSADA, WITH THIS EXPANSION, WITH THE SECOND FLOOR COULD BE THAT KIND OF A SOLUTION PROVIDER, NOT ONLY FOR CARLSBAD, BUT FOR OTHERS AREAS.

ALSO, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN VISTA ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO CARLSBAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING, AS YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT IT.

AND SO I COMMEND ONCE AGAIN ALL OF YOU FOR LOOKING AT VARIOUS OPTIONS, INCLUDING THE HOTEL VOUCHERS, EXPANSION OF LA POSADA, BECAUSE SOME SOLUTION IS BETTER THAN NO SOLUTION AT ALL.

HOMELESSNESS IS A [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE.

WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY OUT TO CREATE INOVATIVE WAYS OF ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER TO CREATE A SOLUTION FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO ARE HOMELESS IN CARLSBAD AND IN NORTH COUNTY.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS TIME TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT HOMELESSNESS AND ELIMINATE HOMELESSNESS IN OUR REGION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DENNIS JENSEN.

HI, THERE.

I HAVE SOME MAJOR MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOMELESS HOTEL VOUCHER SYSTEM BEING IMPLEMENTED ANYWHERE NEAR FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE PROPOSED HYLAND INN OPTION FOR THIS NEAR HOLIDAY PARK AND ITS CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND IS VERY PROBLEMATIC.

I SUPPORT HELPING THE HOMELESS, BUT NOT BY PUTTING EVEN MORE HOMELESS NEXT TO OUR FAMILIES AND KIDS, AND THE CITY'S LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IN THIS REGARD IS VERY CONFUSING TO ME.

I THINK WE SHOULD STOP PRETENDING THAT THE AVERAGE HOMELESS ARE SIMPLY PEOPLE NEEDING TO GET BACK ON THEIR FEET.

WE KNOW IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT DUE TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL PROBLEMS. THE HYLAND INN LOCATION WOULD ALSO JUST BE A FEW HUNDRED FEET AS THE CROW FLIES AWAY FROM THE WINDSOR POINT FACILITY FOR HOMELESS EXPERIENCING SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS THAT THE CITY THOUGHT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO BUILD NEAR JEFFERSON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE STOP BOMBARDING THE BARRIO AREA WITH HOMELESS SHELTERS.

WE HAVE OUR SHARE.

OTHERWISE, MARTIN VERSUS BOISE SEEMS TO ONLY REQUIRE A BED BE AVAILABLE FOR HOMELESS IN A DORM SITUATION OR OTHERWISE, NOT NECESSARILY A BEACHSIDE SINGLE ROOM ACCOMMODATION AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.

THERE ARE BETTER INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE AND NOT NEAR OUR FAMILIES.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS AT 1732 WILL [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

HELLO, THIS IS KELLY [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU, COUNCIL AND STAFF, FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS TOPIC.

OUR CITY MUST KEEP OUR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS CLEAN AND OUR RESIDENTS SAFE.

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SEVENTY EIGHT PERCENT A MENTAL ILLNESS, AND THEY ARE NEARLY 100 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIMES THAN THE TYPICAL CITIZEN.

MAKING THE HYLAND INN A VOUCHER HOTEL WHEN IT IS A BLOCK AWAY FROM ST.

PATRICK'S SCHOOL IS A BAD IDEA.

MANY CALIFORNIA CITIES HAVE TRIED LOW BARRIER HOUSING FIRST PROGRAMS, PROVIDING FREE HOUSING WITH NO EXPECTATIONS OF SOBRIETY, WORK OR PARTICIPATION IN REHAB PROGRAMS. ADOPTING THESE LOW BARRIER MODELS WITH NO ABSTINENCE REQUIRED.

WE ARE CREATING AN ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVICE ADDICTION RATHER THAN REDUCE IT.

REGARDING OPTION TWO DECLARING A SHELTER CRISIS EMERGENCY.

NAOMI WOLF CALLS OUT THE CONSTANT STATE OF EMERGENCY AS A STRATEGY TOWARDS FASCISM.

QUOTE WE HAVE TO BE AFRAID ALL THE TIME IN EXCHANGE FOR SECURITY.

GIVE UP LIBERTY WITH COVID.

IT OPENED THE DOOR FOR AN UNENDING PUBLIC EMERGENCY.

FORTY SEVEN STATES ARE STILL UNDER EMERGENCY LOCKDOWN END QUOTE.

SO WHAT DOES WORK? BALANCE PUBLIC SERVICES WITH PUBLIC ORDER.

TAKE L.A.

IN CULVER CITY.

L.A.

ALLOWED PUBLIC CAMPING AND DRUG CONSUMPTION.

CULVER CITY ENFORCES THE LAW AGAINST THEM.

CULVER CITY DOES NOT HAVE A HOMELESS PROBLEM.

VENICE BEACH AND LOS ANGELES ARE CATCHING ON.

BOTH ARE MOVING TO BAN ENCAMPMENTS AND HOUSTON, TEXAS REDUCED ITS HOMELESS POPULATION BY 54 PERCENT.

SOME SUGGEST HOUSTON'S APPROACH WORKED BECAUSE THE CITY BUILT PERMANENT HOUSING, CREATED A COALITION OF PARTNERS AND IMPLEMENTED ADVANCED DATA TRACKING.

BUT EVERY MAJOR WEST COAST CITY HAS DONE THESE THINGS.

SEATTLE, SAN FRANCISCO AND L.A.

HAVE SPENT BILLIONS ON PERMANENT HOUSING, SUBSIDIZED APARTMENTS AND IMPLEMENTED THE SAME MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AS HOUSTON.

YET OVER THE SAME PERIOD, HOMELESSNESS INCREASED.

HOUSTON ACHIEVED DIFFERENT RESULTS BECAUSE, IN ADDITION TO SUPPORTIVE POLICIES, IT ENFORCE THE LAW.

UNLIKE WEST COAST CITIES, HOUSTON DID NOT ENABLE THE WORST ASPECTS OF STREET HOMELESSNESS, WHERE A SEATTLE POLITICIAN OPPOSES HOSING DOWN FECES COVERED SIDEWALKS BECAUSE HOSES ARE RACIST.

HOUSTON FIGHTS IN THE COURTS FOR THE RIGHT TO CLEAN UP ENCAMPMENTS.

FOR CALIFORNIA LEADERS PUSHED FOR INJECTION SITES AND DECRIMINALIZING THEFT UNDER $950.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS AT 2650 PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS FRED BRIGGS AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE.

FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, ASSUME APPROXIMATELY 200 HOMELESS ON CARLSBAD STREETS.

THE PROPOSED HOTEL MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM WILL REMOVE ONLY A RELATIVE FEW FROM SLEEPING ON THE STREETS.

JUST CONTACTING THE REMAINDER ON ANY GIVEN DAY, LEVEL [INAUDIBLE] OF ENFORCEMENT FOR LARGE NUMBERS WILL BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

I WISH TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS STREET CAMPING.

CARLSBAD ALREADY FORBIDS CAMPING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AT ANY TIME, WHICH THE CITY ELECTS NOT TO ENFORCE.

HOMELESS CAMPING HAS BECOME A LARGE PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THUS FAR BY FAR LARGER BY NUMBERS IS ILLEGAL STREET CAMPING BY TRAVELERS AND VACATIONERS.

EVIDENCE OF SUCH CAN EASILY BE SEEN ALONG [INAUDIBLE] DRIVE ABOVE THE FLOWER FIELDS, WHICH HAS BECOME AN OVERNIGHT DESTINATION FOR LARGE RVS AND FREQUENTLY NUMEROUS OCCUPIED CARS AND VANS ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT.

SOME HAVE BEEN THERE WEEKS AND EVEN MONTHS.

THIS PROBLEM WILL CERTAINLY [INAUDIBLE] IN THE NEAR FUTURE IF THE RV COMMUNITY REALIZES THAT THE PENALTY FOR BEING CAUGHT CAMPING ON CARLSBAD STREETS IS A FREE HOTEL ROOM.

I PROPOSE AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION WHICH COULD BE COMBINED WITH OTHER ACTIONS PROPOSED THIS AFTERNOON.

RETAIN THE CURRENT NO OVERNIGHT CAMPING IN PUBLIC AREAS RULE.

ESTABLISH A SINGLE DEDICATED SAFE ZONE FOR THOSE WHO NEED SOMEWHERE TO TEMPORARILY SHELTER OVERNIGHT.

I SUGGEST THAT THE PARKING LOT AT THE CROSSINGS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION

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IT'S CITY PROPERTY, CENTRALLY LOCATED AND UNUSED IN THE OVERNIGHT HOURS IT IS REMOVED FROM RESIDENTIAL.

THERE IS ROOM FOR AT LEAST 200 LARGE VEHICLES, AND A SINGLE LOCATION IS MORE EASILY MONITORED AND THEREFORE SAFER FOR BOTH VISITORS UNQUOTE.

AND I REMIND YOU, FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE HORRIFIC MURDERS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.

OUR RESIDENTS NEED TO BE PROTECTED, TOO.

THANK YOU.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS AT 2365.

WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? THE CALLER ENDING IN 2365, WILL YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? HI, MY NAME IS ROBERT LEE, A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE HERE IN CARLSBAD FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS OR SO.

THANK YOU FOR POSTING A MESSAGE I SENT YOU ALONG WITH SOME GRAPHIC PHOTOGRAPHS TO DEMONSTRATE THE PROBLEM THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT MESSAGE.

I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT.

RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO BE PARALYZED AND FURTHER RECEPTIVE TO REASONS NOT TO ACT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OF TITLE EIGHT HAS BECOME YOUR DUTY AS ELECTED OFFICIALS TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD.

PLEASE EMBRACE THE OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TO ENACT THE ORDINANCE, WHICH AMENDS TITLE EIGHT OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE.

HAVE A NICE AFTERNOON.

READ MY MESSAGE IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THE LAST SPEAKER, PAUL [INAUDIBLE].

WILL YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M GOING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN ALL THIS DISCUSSION TODAY, BUT THE ONE THING I WANT TO FOCUS ON, WHICH I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT AND I THINK FAIRLY SIMPLE TO TO TRY TO PREVENT FROM HAPPENING, AS IS THE LOW BARRIER PORTION, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING FIRST LOW BARRIER.

I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE.

I KNOW THERE'S FEMA MONEY POTENTIALLY OUT THERE MAY, MAY NOT BE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD SHOULD DRIVE THIS.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE SCREENING ONLY.

AND THAT, I THINK, WOULD CALM THE NERVES OF A LOT OF NEIGHBORS.

I KNOW THAT WOULD BE NEAR MOTELS.

LIKELY THAT'LL BE PICKED FOR THE VOUCHING PROGRAM.

I THINK IF THERE'S ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT REQUIRES SCREENING, I KNOW IT MIGHT BE KIND OF COMPLEX.

BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THING YOU COULD DO TO CALM DOWN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, NEIGHBORS OUT HERE.

ASSURE SURE THEN THEY WON'T BE HOUSING FIRST.

THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS MAYOR.

OKAY.

I KNOW WE ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE AND LET'S JUST FOR THE FIRST ROUND, JUST KEEP IT TO QUESTIONS IF WE COULD.

SO I'M GOING TO START WITH MR. BLACKBURN AND JUST GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE ON QUESTIONS.

IF ONE OF THE SPEAKERS.

HER NAME WAS ELLIE.

SHE TALKED ABOUT THIS PERPETUATE THE HOMELESSNESS, AND I'M HEARING THAT CONCERN FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I SHARE THAT SAME CONCERN.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY IS CAMPING ON THE STREET AND SAID, AND WE TELL THEM, YOU CAN'T CAMP HERE, WE'RE GOING TO WRITE YOU A TICKET OR YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO A HOTEL AND THEY PICK HOTEL, THEN WE PUT THEM IN THE HOTEL.

HAVE WE JUST TAUGHT THEM TO CAMP ON THE STREETS LONG ENOUGH FOR A COP TO OFFER THEM A FREE VOUCHER TO GO TO A HOTEL SO THEY DON'T GET A TICKET? AND ISN'T THAT EASY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF? AND HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT? I THINK OBVIOUSLY IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE.

THE IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS DECISION FOR THE NIGHT BY NIGHT HOTEL VOUCHER OPTION, IT IS ONLY ONE NIGHT.

SO IN TERMS OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF I MEAN, IT IS ONE NIGHT AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE IF MAYBE CHIEF WILLIAMS COULD MAYBE KIND OF COMMENT ON THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS WHERE IF THEY WERE TO EXTEND IT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO.

YOU KNOW, THE THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM DID VISIT THE NEXT DAY, AND THEY WERE

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AND IT WAS GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF DAYS TO SECURE AND OBTAIN THAT.

THEN THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO EXTEND THAT VOUCHER FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT MAYBE CHIEF WILLIAMS, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT.

YES.

THANK YOU, MANDY, AND VERY GOOD QUESTION.

THE THE DISCRETION TO TO PROVIDE THE ONE FREE NIGHT WOULD BE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.

AND PART OF THAT IS TO ALLOW FOR AN ANALYSIS EACH DAY TO MAINTAIN AND TO EVALUATE FOR FOR AN ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM.

IF THERE IS, LIKE MANDY SAID, CIRCUMSTANCES OR FACTS THAT ARE PRESENTING THAT INDICATE THAT AN ADDITIONAL NIGHT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PERSON WE'RE HELPING, THEN IT COULD BE OFFERED.

BUT IF IT'S IN THE OPINION OF THE PERSON MAKING THAT DECISION THAT THIS IS A MANIPULATION OF THE SYSTEM OR THERE'S A REFUSAL TO ACCEPT OR ENGAGE IN ADDITIONAL SERVICES, THEN THE DECISION COULD BE MADE NOT TO EXTEND ANOTHER NIGHT.

SO WHAT IF WE IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED OTHER THAN GIVING THEM A HOTEL ROOM FOR ONE NIGHT BECAUSE THE NEXT NIGHT THEY'LL BE SLEEPING IN THEIR THEIR CAMPSITE? AND IF WE CHOSE NOT TO OFFER THEM ANOTHER NIGHT AT A HOTEL, THEN WE CAN'T WRITE THEM A TICKET FOR CAMPING IN THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

SO WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED THERE? I CAN TRY TO TOUCH ON THAT.

SO THIS WOULD BE ONE STRATEGY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS WOULD DO IS WOULD PROVIDE POLICE OFFICERS AN ADDITIONAL TOOL TO ADDRESS CAMPING AT NIGHT WHEN WE'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS, CERTAIN LOCATIONS AND ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO FACILITATE OR HELP SOMEBODY GET ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

SO THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY WHAT COULD BE GAINED BY IT.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO PLAY TO DETERMINE IF SOMEBODY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF ADDITIONAL SERVICES AFTER THAT ONE NIGHT.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, WHAT MAY BE GAINED IS ON THE NIGHT WHERE THE OFFICER IS OUT DEALING WITH A SITUATION.

IT WOULD BE ONE ADDITIONAL TOOL TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM FOR THAT EVENING.

AND MY NEXT QUESTION GOES TO IF WE WERE TO TURN THE HYLAND INN INTO THE HOMELESS TRANSITION CENTER.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THEY COULD ACTUALLY STAY THERE AS LONG AS SIX MONTHS.

BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW ACTIVELY THEY HAVE TO BE CONTINUING.

TO FIX THEIR HOMELESS ISSUE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HELPING SOMEBODY FOR SIX MONTHS IF THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON WHATEVER IS CAUSING THEM TO BE HOMELESS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HOUSE SOMEBODY FOR SIX MONTHS IF THEY'RE NOT WORKING AND DOING THEIR PART.

HOW ARE WE MONITORING THAT AND HOW MANY HOW MANY SECOND CHANCES ARE WE GOING TO BE GIVING BEFORE THEY ARE BOOTED OUT OF THE PROGRAM? YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

SO WE WE'VE ALREADY WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF REALLY SOLIDIFIED WITH PROGRAM RULES AND AGREEMENTS.

AND WITH THAT, WE WE WANT THEM TO BE HOUSING FOCUSED.

AND SO THEY WOULD BE CHECKING IN AND PRESENTING A HOUSING PLAN TO ONE OF OUR CASE MANAGERS AND DOING REGULAR UPDATES AND SHOWING MEASURABLE PROGRESS EACH WEEK ON ON THE STATUS OF THEIR HOUSING.

WE KNOW THAT OBVIOUSLY WITH HOUSING, SOMETIMES THEY WOULD BE RECEIVING DAILY CHECK INS ON LIKE WELLNESS TO SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING.

BUT AGAIN, LIKE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON, SOMETIMES DAY TO DAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE SO MUCH PROGRESS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE CHECKING IN WITH THEM WEEKLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STAYING ACCOUNTABLE TO STAY ON TOP OF THINGS.

AND AND WITH HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TON OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY CAN WORK ON EVERYTHING FROM REPAIRING CREDIT, YOU KNOW, TO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, COACHING THEM ON HOW TO TALK TO LANDLORDS.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT MAYBE LOOKING AT ACQUIRING BENEFITS, EMPLOYMENT.

SO THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS SECURING CRITICAL DOCUMENTS, WHICH OFTENTIMES IS A BARRIER AS WELL TO FOR MOVE IN READINESS.

SO WE WOULD BE WORKING ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN TANDEM AS WELL AS EXPLORING OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE HOMELESS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN OUR CLOSING COMMENTS, BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE HOMELESS BECAUSE OF DRUG USE, ALCOHOL ABUSE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO THERE'S NOT A BARRIER OF SAYING, IF YOU USED TO BE AN ALCOHOLIC, YOU CAN'T COME HERE.

WE ACTUALLY WANT THEM TO COME HERE SO WE CAN FIX THEIR PROBLEMS. BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE ABUSING ALCOHOL OR ABUSING STREET DRUGS WHILE THEY'RE IN OUR FACILITY? IS THAT AN IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFICATION? SO WE WOULD AGAIN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF THEY WERE USING ON SITE, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN.

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BUT WE KNOW THAT AGAIN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRANSITIONING OFF THE STREETS, ADDICTION DOES PLAY A PART OF THAT.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO OBVIOUSLY SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO HELP THEM EXIT TREATMENT PROGRAMS ARE REALLY HARD TO GET INTO.

AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS WITH AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE AS AS A PROFESSIONAL IN THIS INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES [INAUDIBLE] PEOPLE, PEOPLE MAY USE FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

AND WHEN THEY GET INTO HOUSING, THAT'S WHEN SOME OF THESE ISSUES SELF RESOLVE.

SOMETIMES THAT WE CAN GET THEM INTO TREATMENT, THEY CAN DO AN OUTPATIENT TREATMENT IN TANDEM WHILE THEY'RE IN HOUSING, THEY FEEL SAFER TO STOP USING.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO EXPLORE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME AND DOING OTHER HARM REDUCTION, LOOKING AT GETTING THEM CONNECTED TO THERAPY.

IT JUST MEANS THAT THAT'S NOT A LIMITATION GETTING INTO THE PROGRAM, BUT WE WOULD SAY THAT THEY CAN'T USE ON SITE AND THEY CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, DOING IT IN THEIR HOTEL ROOM.

WE USED HYLAND INN WHEN FOR COVID EMERGENCY HOUSING, AND IT WAS ESSENTIALLY FOR THE SAME HOMELESS GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH THE SAME ISSUES.

SOME SOME OF THE CALLERS AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO CONTACTED ME ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONSISTENTLY MADE BAD DECISIONS THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFE, ALL IN ONE PLACE AND IT'S CLOSE TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHEN WE USED HYLAND IN LAST YEAR.

DID WE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY ANY ISSUES WITH IT, AND DID WE HAVE ON SITE SOCIAL WORKERS ON SITE POLICE OR SECURITY TO HELP WITH ANY OF THOSE ISSUES? YEAH, SO WE WE HAD SECURITY ON SITE AND THEY WERE AVAILABLE AT NIGHT AND WE ALSO HAD OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM, WE HAD SOCIAL WORKERS THAT WERE THERE ON SITE, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY COULD MITIGATE ISSUES THAT WERE COMING UP.

THEY WERE ALSO ABLE TO ADDRESS THINGS.

WE REALLY HAD MINIMAL ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I MEAN, THERE WERE, OF COURSE, A FEW, BUT REALLY MINIMAL STUFF.

THE PROGRAM WAS REALLY UNNOTICED AND THEY WERE SERVING, I THINK, UP TO LIKE FORTY NINE INDIVIDUALS AT A TIME.

SO THERE WAS A LARGER CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE THERE.

IN FACT, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM, WE HAD REACHED OUT TO HYLAND TO KIND OF EXPLORE LESSONS LEARNED AND TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO BETTER WITH THIS NEW VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AND AND THEY SHARED, YOU KNOW, VERY MINIMAL FEEDBACK.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY HAD SOME COMMENTS AROUND SECURITY, BUT BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE VERY PLEASED WITH THE PROGRAM AND HOW IT WAS EXECUTED AND THEY WERE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH US AGAIN.

CARLSBAD THAT WAS OPERATING THIS FACILITY.

IT WAS THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO ALONG WITH THE STATE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

OK, WELL, THANK YOU BECAUSE I THOUGHT OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE.

OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR HOMELESS WERE? CORRECT.

OK, THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, THANKS.

DR. BHAT-PATEL.

SURE, THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR GOING THROUGH BOTH OF THESE ITEMS. AND I'LL START OFF WITH ITEM EIGHT WITH MY QUESTIONS AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE AFTER THAT.

SO FOR ITEM EIGHT, I SEE, OF COURSE, YOU HAD PRESENTED MULTIPLE OPTIONS.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE WERE SHORT TERM TO TERM AND LONG TERM OPTIONS BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND THE FEEDBACK THAT FOLKS PROVIDED.

AND OBVIOUSLY, JUST BASED ON THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD, I JUST I WAS CURIOUS TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE WERE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT WERE LOOKING AT A VOUCHER PROGRAM, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL.

IF YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AS TO HOW SUCCESSFUL THOSE WERE OR NOT SUCCESSFUL THEY WERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP WITH DECISION MAKING AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN RUN THROUGHOUT SAN DIEGO AND AND SO WE HAVE CITY UP NORTH, WE HAVE OCEANSIDE THAT HAVE RUN THREE DIFFERENT VOUCHER PROGRAMS. THEY'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PRETTY DECENT SUCCESS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONE THAT YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES LINKING PEOPLE TO PERMIT HOUSING THROUGH THEIR OWN HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THAT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

AND SO I DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS WHICH I CAN I CAN PULL UP FOR YOU AROUND THE DATA THAT.

AND THEN ALSO, TOO, IN THE RECENT REPORT, THEY DID LOOK AT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO'S PROGRAM, THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

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SO PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING INTO THEIR COVID 19 PLACEMENT, THEY HAD, I THINK, FIELDED.

I THINK I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK REAL QUICK.

BUT THEY FIELDED A LOT OF DIFFERENT CALLS, AND THEY DID HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN SAN DIEGO.

ENCINITAS SERVED A VOUCHER PROGRAM AS WELL AS WELL AS ESCONDIDO.

HERE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

WE HAD ABOUT SIXTY SIX PERCENT OF OUR FOLKS GET TRANSITIONED INTO PERMANENT OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, BUT I WILL LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU AND JUST.

OH, NO WORRIES.

YEAH, NO.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, I HAD READ THINGS IN THE NEWS ABOUT IT, AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH IS PROJECT HOME KEY, I KNOW THAT I'VE RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS ON WHETHER THIS IS SAME, THE SAME AS PROJECT ROOM KEY OR IF IT'S DIFFERENT.

SO IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT DELINEATION AS TO WHAT PROJECT ROOM KEY IS AND THEN WHAT PROJECT HOME KEY IS, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.

THERE'S THE PROJECT ROOM KEY, JUST TO CLARIFY, BOTH OF THESE FUNDS ACTUALLY CAME THROUGH CARES ACT FUNDING THROUGH COVID RELIEF.

SO THEY ARE LINKED TO SERVING VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.

SO THEY THEY DO.

THE GOAL IS TO GET VULNERABLE POPULATIONS OFF THE STREET AND INTO SAFE STRUCTURE AND IN A NON CONGREGATE CARE SETTING.

SO THAT MEANS BASICALLY AN INDIVIDUAL ROOM OR UNIT WITH A DOOR AS OPPOSED TO, SAY, A DORM STYLE SHELTER.

SO BOTH ARE RELATED.

PROJECT ROOM KEY WAS REALLY MORE FOR IMMEDIATE LEASING, FOR HOTEL ROOMS, FOR SHORT TERM STAY.

PROJECT HOME KEY IS A NEW PROGRAM JUST CAME OUT THIS MONTH IN SEPTEMBER.

IT'S A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION AND IT IS REALLY TO CREATE PERMANENT HOUSING, SO THE UNITS BASICALLY WOULD BE LONGER TERM, AND IT'S FOR INTERIM OR PERMANENT HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO EMERGENCY SHELTER.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND WITH REGARDS TO THAT, I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS REGARDING WHETHER THERE CAN BE CERTAIN PROVISIONS PUT INTO EFFECT, I KNOW THAT THESE ARE LOW BARRIER HOUSING SOLUTIONS.

HOWEVER, OF COURSE, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, SUBSTANCE USE OR ALCOHOL USE ON PREMISES.

SO MY QUESTION IS WITH RESPECT TO BECAUSE THESE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM FEDERAL AND STATE CORRECT.

AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PIECES PUT TOGETHER FROM FROM THEM.

AND ANY ANY KIND OF RULES THAT THEY HAVE PUT INTO PLACE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO OR ARE WE ABLE TO PUT PROVISIONS INTO PLACE THAT WOULD BASICALLY ASK FOR SOBRIETY FOR FOLKS IF WE DID DECIDE TO MOVE WITH THAT PARTICULAR OPTION? THANK YOU THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

SO THE THE FUNDS THAT WERE SET ASIDE LAST YEAR BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO FUND A VOUCHER PROGRAM WERE LOCAL FUNDS.

THOSE ARE GENERAL FUNDS.

SO BASICALLY IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO KIND OF IMPLEMENT ITS OWN PROGRAM, THE FUNDS THROUGH PROJECT ROOM KEY OR HOME KEY.

THESE OTHER FUNDS THAT ARE BEING ISSUED THROUGH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT ARE FEDERAL FUNDS, THOSE ACTUALLY DO REQUIRE A HOUSE IMPLEMENTATION OF A HOUSING FIRST MODEL.

SO IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THEM, YOU ARE KIND OF OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THOSE PROGRAM GUIDELINES.

AND SO WHEN I WOULD SAY CONDITION IT WITH SOBRIETY, NO, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALLOWED.

BUT AS HOLLY MENTIONED, WE HAVE SEEN OTHER PROGRAMS WITH SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT COULD LIMIT, LIKE ILLEGAL USE ON SITE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME PROGRAMS CONDUCT BAG CHECKS FOR RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT BRINGING IN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES USING ON SITE FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.

SO IT'S BUT SOBRIETY AS A CONDITION TO BE THERE IS NOT NECESSARILY ALLOWED WITH THE PROJECT ROOM KEY OR HOME KEY.

OK.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT.

AND THEN JUST A REALLY QUICK QUESTION ON OPTION FOUR AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE FOR QUESTION IS SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WITH WITH WITH REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR OPTION, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR OPTION, WHAT IT WOULD FURTHER DO BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY MADE OUR COMMITMENT TO WANTING TO HAVE LA POSADA AS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE EXPANDED WITHIN OUR CITY.

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CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING, THAT'S ANOTHER RESOURCE AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOCATE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

THOSE FUNDS HAVE ALREADY A FIVE YEAR PLAN, OF WHICH THE CITY COUNCIL HAS IDENTIFIED AS THEY HAD PRIORITIES ALREADY FOR THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.

AND OUT OF THAT, PROGRAMS THAT SERVE HOMELESS POPULATIONS ARE A HIGH PRIORITY.

AND SO THAT'S ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN.

AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF CATHOLIC CHARITIES WERE TO APPLY FOR CDBG FUNDING FOR PRE-DEVELOPMENT COSTS RELATED TO THE EXPANSION, THAT MIGHT BE MIGHT ALREADY BE A PRIORITY THAT THE THAT AND THAT MIGHT BE A RESOURCE THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO FUND PART OF THAT.

AND WE COULD CERTAINLY HELP FACILITATE ANY APPLICATIONS OR LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS THAT MAY HAVE.

IF I COULD ADD ON.

YES, COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED TAKING ACTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO SUPPORT LA POSADA'S EXPANSION.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS AS WAS SAID BY THE SPEAKER, THEY HAVE TWO EXPANSION PROGRAMS UNDERWAY OR THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT EXPANSION OF BEDS AND THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND THEN EXPLORING A SECOND STORY.

AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY ASKING COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION ON IS THE SECOND STORY EXPANSION TO SEE IF CARLSBAD FINANCIALLY PARTICIPATED IN A BIG WAY WITH LA POSADA TO BUILD THE CURRENT FACILITY AND WITH CDBG FUNDING, PERHAPS HOUSING TRUST FUND, PERHAPS GENERAL FUND, PERHAPS OTHER AVAILABLE FUNDS, WE COULD ASSIST THEM IN A WAY THAT WOULD ACCELERATE POSSIBLY THE CONSTRUCTION OF A OF A SECOND STORY FOR A WOMEN'S AND CHILDREN'S FACILITY, IF IN FACT, THAT PROVES FEASIBLE FOR LA POSADA TO PURSUE AND CONSTRUCT.

SO IF THE COUNCIL WANTED US TO LOOK AT THAT, WE COULD COME BACK WITH TO THE COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE WITH WITH FUNDING OPTIONS.

ONCE WE DETERMINED THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT OCCURRING.

OK, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN MOVING ON TO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON ITEM NINE.

SO WITH REGARDS TO THE I SEE THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL HAD PROVIDED TO US.

ONE WAS WHAT WE HAD DIRECTED, ONE WITH MINOR REVISIONS AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU ALL HAD COME BACK WITH.

AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

OPTION NUMBER TWO IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST CLARIFY WHAT THE MAIN DIFFERENCE FOR THAT, I KNOW YOU GOT A SLIDE WITH THAT, BUT JUST TO REITERATE IT SO THAT WE CAN REMIND OURSELVES AND THEN I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION AFTER AFTER, YOU CAN REMIND US ON THAT.

IS IT POSSIBLE, MANDY TO BRING THAT SLIDE UP AGAIN? NOT SURE WHAT NUMBER IT IS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU TO KEEP GOING BACK.

I THINK IT'S.

IT'S THE DESCRIPTION THE TWO OPT IN [INAUDIBLE] SLIDE THAT SAYS OPTION TWO, OK.

I THINK IT WILL CLARIFY THINGS IF WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE BEFORE US.

AND I THINK YOU IDENTIFY THAT, OK .

OK, SO THE FIRST PART, SUBSECTION ONE, THE FIRST SENTENCE, THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE, AND THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THIS SENTENCE UP FRONT IS BECAUSE IT PUTS THE PROHIBITION THAT IT'S UNLAWFUL ESSENTIALLY TO CAMP AT A PUBLIC PLACE UNLESS IT'S BEEN DESIGNATED OR PERMITTED FOR SUCH PURPOSE, IT PUTS THE PROHIBITION UP FRONT.

SO THE GENERAL RULE IS IT'S UNLAWFUL TO CAMP IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE'RE ENFORCING THIS ORDINANCE BETWEEN 10PM AND 6AM, THE EVENING HOURS, THEN WE HAVE TO OFFER YOU A VOUCHER OR A BED SPACE OR THE INDIVIDUAL AND THAT PERSON HAS TO REFUSE.

AND THEN IF THEY REFUSE, THEN THEY COULD BE CITED UNDER THIS SUBSECTION.

SO THE ADVANTAGE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS SUBSECTION IS THAT YOU CAN CITE AN INDIVIDUAL FOR UNLAWFUL CAMPING DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S BED SPACE AVAILABLE OR WHETHER THERE'S A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

THE ONLY RESTRICTION IS DURING THE EVENING HOURS, WHICH IS THE SAME RESTRICTION FOR OPTIONS ONE AND A.

THAT YOU CAN'T CITE WITHOUT OFFERING A VOUCHER BED SPACE.

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SO WE'RE RESTRICTING SLEEPING, LYING AND, YOU KNOW, CAMPING.

CAMPING ISN'T TECHNICALLY MENTIONED IN THE CASE, BUT JUST TO BE EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS.

WE ARE INCLUDING JUST CAMPING THAT WE ARE PROVIDING A TIME, MANNER, PLACE RESTRICTION, ESSENTIALLY FOR CAMPING.

SO WOULD YOU LIKE THE THE COMPARISON SLIDE OR? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

NO, THIS IS FINE.

I JUST I JUST HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THAT.

SO IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE EITHER SOME SORT OF MEANS OF SHELTER.

AND THEN IF IT'S REFUSED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE DURING THE NIGHTTIME HOURS BETWEEN 10PM AND 6AM.

HOWEVER, DURING THE DAYTIME, WE DO NOT HAVE TO OFFER A SHELTER.

IS THAT ACCURATE? BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL IS GIVEN THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE AN OPTION OF BASICALLY THEY HAVE AVAILABLE SHELTER SPACE DURING THE EVENING HOURS UNLESS, OF COURSE, WE HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER TO THEM.

SO IF THE CITY HAS NOTHING TO OFFER TO THEM, IF WE HAVE NO VOUCHER PROGRAM AND THERE'S NO BED SPACE AVAILABLE, THEN THEY CAN CAMP DURING THE EVENING HOURS.

THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW.

BUT DURING THE DAYTIME, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE BECAUSE WE ARE PROVIDING THAT OPTION DURING THE EVENING HOURS BY WAY OF.

BY HOW THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE ENFORCED.

OK.

OK, THAT'S HELPFUL.

AND THEN LET ME JUST SEE HERE REALLY QUICK.

I KNOW THAT WE HAD RECEIVED SOME, AND I THINK YOU DID CLARIFY THIS IN YOUR COMMENTS.

MS. KAWECKI, BUT I'LL JUST CLARIFY IT AGAIN.

A FEW FOLKS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE'S BELONGINGS BEING TAKEN FROM THEM AND THEN BEING CONFISCATED OR DESTROYED.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK WHAT PROTECTIONS FOLKS HAVE WITH REGARDS TO THEIR BELONGINGS.

AS YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDS TO THIS ORDINANCE.

FOR A LOT OF TIMES ORDINANCES, THEY THEY DON'T SAY EVERYTHING THAT MAY BE APPLICABLE IN TERMS OF LAWS AND REGULATIONS.

THERE MAY BE INTERNAL POLICIES THAT HELP TO IMPLEMENT OR THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE A COMPANION TO THE ORDINANCE.

SO IN THIS CASE, FOR EXAMPLE, CURRENTLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A POLICY ON PERSONAL PROPERTY OF HOMELESS PERSONS AND THAT POLICY, WE UTILIZE IT.

IT'S UTILIZED RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY'RE ENCOUNTERING HOMELESS PERSONS OR ENCAMPMENTS.

THAT POLICY WOULD STILL STAND UNLESS IT'S AMENDED OR OTHERWISE, BUT IT WOULD STILL STAND IF THIS ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED AND IT COULD BE AMENDED AS WELL.

BUT CURRENTLY, THAT POLICY STATES FLAT OUT THAT THE THE OFFICERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DESTROY OR DISCARD THE PERSONAL PROPERTY OF A HOMELESS PERSON.

IT ALSO SAYS A HOMELESS PERSON IS ARRESTED, THEN THE PERSONAL PROPERTY SHOULD BE COLLECTED FOR SAFEKEEPING UNLESS THE PERSON MAKES REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS TO STORE THEM OTHERWISE.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAVE A RELATIVE OR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE CUSTODY OF THOSE ITEMS AND THEN IN TERMS OF CLEANING UP THE BELONGINGS OF HOMELESS PERSONS, OFFICERS AREN'T ALLOWED TO CLEAN UP UNLESS THE PROPERTY, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY, THEY'RE GIVEN 48 HOURS NOTICE PRIOR TO THE CLEANUP.

SO THOSE ARE THE CURRENT POLICIES.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS A DEPARTMENTAL DECISION ONCE THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED.

BUT THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS WHAT WOULD CONTINUE, PRESUMABLY IF THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED.

AT LEAST FOR NOW, I MEAN, UNLESS IT'S I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE REPEALED BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT THE ORDINANCE IS EFFECTIVE.

OK, THANK YOU.

AND ONE LAST PIECE.

JUST TO CLARIFY, I KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND WHY THIS CAME ABOUT WAS REALLY THE REASONING WAS FOR FOLKS THAT WE'VE OFFERED HELP AND THEY'VE REFUSED HELP.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KIND OF NAVIGATE THAT SITUATION.

WOULD THAT BE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION? YES, WHEN I THINK FROM READING A LOT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK THERE'S A FEAR THAT PEOPLE ARE AGAIN CRIMINALIZING THE HOMELESS AND SEEING THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, CHARGING PEOPLE WITH MISDEMEANORS, THE PRACTICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT I SEE IN REPORTS THAT I REVIEW MISDEMEANOR CITATIONS.

PEOPLE ARE NOT ENCOUNTERED ONE TIME AND CITED WITH A MISDEMEANOR AUTOMATICALLY.

THERE'S MULTIPLE ENCOUNTERS AND THERE'S MULTIPLE OFFERING OF SERVICES BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT POINT.

AND EVEN IN SOME CASES, WHEN IT DOES GET TO THAT POINT, IF A PERSON IS SENTENCED, ULTIMATELY THEIR PROBATIONARY PLEA OFFER IS GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO OBTAIN SERVICES, SOMETIMES EVEN BEFORE WE GET TO COURT.

THEY'VE ALREADY NAVIGATED THAT ON THEIR OWN WITH THE PUBLIC DEFENDER OR THEIR OWN ATTORNEY, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE TIMES TO LINK THEM TO RESOURCES BEFORE THEY'RE

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AND AGAIN, OFTENTIMES THEY'RE NOT CITED ON THE FIRST ENCOUNTER.

THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT CLARITY, I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD RECEIVED VIA EMAIL.

THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YES, THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU AGAIN TO STAFF FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT ABOUT WANTING THE VOUCHER PROGRAM AS PART OF THE MULTI-PRONGED SOLUTION, AND NOW WE GET TO DECIDE THAT HOW IT'S GOING TO COME ABOUT.

BUT THERE WERE SOME NEW OPTIONS TODAY IN TODAY'S AGENDA THAT WE HADN'T CONSIDERED WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS.

AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE VOTED ON THIS AS A COUNCIL, AS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO EXPLORE, I REMEMBER THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH WAS SET TO EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THANK YOU MS. NELSON, FOR COMMENTING AND SHARING THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THIS FUNDING THAT WE COULD GET REIMBURSED WITH WOULD LAST WOULD BE AVAILABLE UNTIL DECEMBER.

BUT STILL, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO HURRY UP AND GET SOMETHING RUNNING BECAUSE TIME IS A WASTING.

SO I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT VERY.

FIRST QUESTION.

COULD YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO GET EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS UP AND RUNNING? AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE VERY FIRST ONE, THE ONE NIGHT VOUCHER WOULD BE ALMOST IMMEDIATE AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME IF YOU COULD JUST BREAK DOWN QUICKLY.

KIND OF WHAT WHAT TIME FRAMES WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF VOUCHERS.

THE FIRST PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE LIMITED TERMS STAY ONE NIGHT AT A TIME, WILL BE PRETTY SOON.

LIKE DEFINITELY, THAT'S A SHORT TERM OPTION CAN BE IMPLEMENTED PRETTY QUICKLY.

THE THE TWO OPTIONS, WHICH ARE MORE MID-TERM REGARDING EITHER THE HYLAND INN LOCATION OR THE SCATTERED SITE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO GET THEM UP AND RUNNING.

SO WE DO.

WE HAVE ALREADY ISSUED A REQUEST FOR INTEREST AND RECEIVED PROPOSALS FROM OUR INTEREST FROM FOUR PARTIES TO IMPLEMENT SUCH EITHER PROGRAM.

SO WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE INTERESTED SERVICE PROVIDERS.

AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO GET COST PROPOSALS FROM THOSE PARTIES, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM TIME TO RESPOND TO THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR AN IMPLEMENTING CONTRACT.

SO REALISTICALLY, THOSE TWO STEPS COULD TAKE ALMOST TWO MONTHS TO DO.

THE HYLAND INN OPTION DOES ALSO REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION TO DECLARE THAT EMERGENCY SHELTER DECLARATION, SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL STEP THERE.

THOSE ARE THE BIG STEPS.

I MEAN, WE OBVIOUSLY ON THE SCATTERED SITE, WE JUST WOULD NEED TO GAUGE WHICH HOTELS, YOU KNOW, ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING.

THAT COULD BE DONE CONCURRENTLY WHILE WE'RE DOING THE CONTRACT EXPLORATION.

THANK YOU, MS. MILLS, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU COULD BOIL IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO BE MORE CLEAR, LIKE WE'RE TALKING THE ONE NIGHT VOUCHER.

WE'RE TALKING ONE WEEK, A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE'RE TALKING THE OTHER ONE.

I THINK YOU MENTIONED ABOUT TWO MONTHS.

THE OTHER ONE LIKE, IS IT GOING TO BE A YEAR LIKE JUST JUST DATES, JUST LIKE APPROXIMATE TIME FRAMES? YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE SHORT TERM PROGRAM WITHIN TWO WEEKS, I THINK THAT COULD BE UP AND RUNNING.

THE OTHER TWO PROGRAMS ARE PRETTY SIMILAR IN NATURE.

THE THE HYLAND ONE DOES REQUIRE THE DECLARATION, HOWEVER, THAT COULD BE DONE.

WE COULD BE WORKING ON THAT AS AT THE SAME TIME AS THE REQUEST FOR INTEREST.

SO BOTH THAT ITEM, REALISTICALLY, THOSE WILL TAKE A MINIMUM OF 60 DAYS.

AND THAT WOULD BE OPTIONS TWO AND THREE WOULD TAKE.

AND THREE.

THANK YOU, GARY.

AMOUNT OF TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HAD READ SOMETHING THAT WAS A LOT LONGER.

THAT KIND OF CONCERNED ME ABOUT ZONING CHANGES AND LIKE IT WOULD TAKE 12 MONTHS TO SET UP A PROGRAM.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THE OPTION ON ON THE HYLAND INN.

BASICALLY, THE THE ABILITY TO USE THE HYLAND INN ALLOWS TWO DIFFERENT PATHS.

SO IF WE WANTED TO SIMPLY DO A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, SIMPLY, I SAY IT'S NOT SIMPLE AT ALL.

THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE NINE TO 18 MONTHS THAT COULD TAKE A GOOD YEAR TO IMPLEMENT.

NOW THE THE METHOD THAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO AVOID THAT WAS THE MUCH SHORTER TERM.

WE CALLED IT A MID-TERM OPTION AND THAT WAS TO DO THE EMERGENCY SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION, WHICH DOES ALLOW US TO USE THAT LOCATION EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE.

SO WE DO HAVE TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THAT SITE.

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WE'D HAVE TO HAVE COUNCIL DECLARE THE CRISIS.

A NUMBER, A NUMBER OF OTHER STEPS, BUT THOSE WOULD BE DONE IN MUCH SHORTER ORDER THAN A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT.

SO THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS ITEM FIVE, THAT'S JUST IN ADDITION TO PURSUING A HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, WHICH [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I GOT KIND OF DENSE IN THE READING, SO I'M I'M LOOKING AT PAGE TWO THIRTY SEVEN OF THE PACKET, WHICH VERSION ITEM EIGHT IS PAGE SEVEN OF THIRTY ONE, AND IT'S THE LONG TERM OPTION FOR THE HYLAND INN.

AND IT HAD TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE COULD USE THE HYLAND INN, DECLARE SHELTER CRISIS.

BUT WE WOULD NEED TO DECLARE THAT THE THE HOTEL WOULD NEED TO BE RESERVED ENTIRELY FOR THE HOMELESS OR THE HOTEL WOULD NEED TO BECOME A PUBLIC FACILITY.

SO, YEAH, LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN.

I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT IN THE IN THE SLIDE, BUT IT'S A IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE.

SO THE THE STATE CODE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO OPERATE EMERGENCY SHELTER THROUGH AN EMERGENCY SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION DOES REQUIRE THAT IT BE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC FACILITY, QUOTE UNQUOTE.

SO THE DEFINITION OF THAT IS IN THE STATE CODE.

NOW BECAUSE THIS IS NOT CITY OWNED, IT'S NOT CITY LEASED, IT'S NOT CITY OPERATED.

WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO OCCUPY THE ENTIRE SITE AT FOR THE USE OF HOMELESS THROUGH FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION.

SO I TRIED TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT WE KNOW THE COUNTY AND SOME OTHER PROGRAMS ARE OPERATING THERE RIGHT NOW TO SERVE THE HOMELESS.

SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO RENT EVERY SINGLE ROOM SINCE SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY OCCUPIED FOR THAT PURPOSE THAT WE COULD JUST HELP IN FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THE ENTIRE LOCATION IS USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

I HOPE THAT IS CLARIFIES.

YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED HERE IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ENTIRELY RESERVE THE HYLAND INN FOR HOMELESS, WHETHER IT'S US PAYING FOR IT AND HAVING A DEAL WITH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD OR A COMBINATION OF PROVIDERS THAT WOULD BE DOING THAT.

SO I GET THAT.

ALTERNATIVELY, HERE'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO ON PAGE 237.

RIGHT AFTER THAT, IT SAYS, OK, IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO GO WITH THAT OPTION, THEN WE WOULD.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE HYLAND INN AREA TO ACCEPT THIS KIND OF PROGRAM AS A SHELTER SHELTER PROGRAM THERE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE 12 TO 18 MONTHS, AT LEAST.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THAT IS THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH REALLY JUST WE KIND OF IDENTIFIED THAT MORE AS OPTION FIVE, WHICH JUST HELPS US IN THE FUTURE.

BUT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING UP AND RUNNING SOON, WE WOULD.

THAT REALLY DOES REQUIRE THE EMERGENCY SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN ITEM TWO.

THE THE THE VOUCHER PROGRAM WE PROPOSE IN THE WORK PLAN.

WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE LENGTH OF STAY AND THE ON SITE SERVICES, THE DEFINITION ZONING DEFINITION IT FALLS INTO IS EMERGENCY SHELTER AND EMERGENCY SHELTER IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE ZONE THAT HYLAND INN IS LOCATED IN.

AND SO A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD EXPAND THE NUMBER OF ZONES THAT THE EMERGENCY SHELTERS WERE ALLOWED IN IS ONE THE LONGER VEHICLE TO GET TO ALLOWING FOR THAT TYPE OF USE AT THE HYLAND INN SITE.

THE SHORTER ALTERNATIVE, THOUGH, IS THE CRISIS SHELTER CRISIS DECLARATION, WHICH ALLOWS CITIES BECAUSE THERE IS A CRISIS TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE ZONING PROVIDED YOU COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED WHEN NOT THE VERY BEGINNING, WHEN WE HAD THE HOMELESS RESPONSE PLAN I WASN'T HERE IN 2017 OR BEFORE, BUT THIS YEAR, JUST THIS YEAR.

MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A MEETING, A GOAL SETTING MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS AS THE BIGGEST PRIORITY OR ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES OF THIS COUNCIL.

AND I KNOW THAT WE SWITCHED OUT THE D ONE PERSON.

SO BUT BUT THIS THIS YEAR, RIGHT RIGHT NOW IN THIS TIMELY MOMENT WITH THE PANDEMIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND FUNDS BEING AVAILABLE.

SO ALTHOUGH I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THE LONG TERM OPTIONS, I'M KIND OF TRYING TO GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER, LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO RIGHT NOW, AS WE SAID MONTHS AGO?

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THANK YOU FOR DOING THE OUTREACH.

BUT I'M ALSO WONDERING WHAT SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAPPEN IN THE HOMELESS SUBCOMMITTEE DIDN'T REALLY COME BACK UNTIL NOW ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE PROGRAM TOO.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND EVEN SOMETHING THAT MR. [INAUDIBLE] JUST SAID ABOUT THE LENGTH OF STAY THAT ACTUALLY NEVER CAME BACK TO US, AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT UNTIL I SAW THIS.

THE AGENDA PACKET, LIKE HOW LONG WERE WE TALKING? BECAUSE WHEN I WAS OUT TALKING WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE TWO WEEKS, WE'D GIVE THEM A HOTEL VOUCHER FOR TWO WEEKS, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT AT ALL.

ALL I'VE HEARD IS 30 DAYS PLUS.

SO HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, AND I'M PROBABLY [INAUDIBLE] WAS INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS, BUT MAYBE MS. MILLS AS WELL.

WHAT HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THAT? IS THAT THAT SET 30 DAYS OR 30 DAYS PLUS FOR A HOTEL VOUCHER? BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO WEEKS.

YEAH, I CAN I CAN KIND OF SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT, AND THEN ALSO, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE HYLAND AND THEY ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT THE FACILITY AS A HOMELESS SHELTER AS A WHOLE AS WELL.

AND THEY DO HAVE 66 ROOMS THERE.

BUT NOT ALL 66 ROOMS NEED TO BE OCCUPIED TO THE FACILITY NEEDS TO BE USED TO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, IN THE INITIAL STAFF REPORT IN MARCH, THE PROPOSED PLAN WAS TO USE THIS PROGRAM UP TO SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE IN TALKING TO DIFFERENT PROGRAM MODELS.

WE INTERVIEWED 14 DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT SAN DIEGO COUNTY THAT HAD OPERATED HOTEL PROGRAMS. AND THE THING THAT WAS THE CONSISTENT MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN WAS IT TAKES TIME.

IT TAKES TIME TO GET DOCUMENTS AND TAKE TIME TO GET PEOPLE MOVED OUT INTO HOUSING.

AND SO IF WE REALLY WERE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE EXITED INTO A LONG TERM SOLUTION, WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS THOUGHTFULLY AND TRYING TO HELP THEM REALLY TRY TO GET DOCUMENTS.

AND SO THE INITIAL PLAN WAS TO HELP DO THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY THE IDEA WASN'T TO.

HOPEFULLY, NOT EVERYONE WAS GOING TO STAY THAT LONG, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE PROGRAM DESIGNED TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN, THAT IMPROVE OUTCOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OK, THANK YOU.

IT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING AND IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT WASN'T CLEAR.

SO THANK YOU.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE WERE GOING TO FUND IT FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN SIX MONTHS AGAIN, SIX MONTHS WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WAS GOING TO FORK OUT.

SO JUST TO GET BACK TO THAT REIMBURSEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF A DRIVER LIKE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS, WE'RE GOING TO GET HELP FROM OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, AS WE KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES, IT'S NOT JUST US EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ISSUES, IT'S ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALL OVER CALIFORNIA IN THE COUNTY.

SO THE REIMBURSEMENT QUESTION YOU MENTIONED THE THE PROJECT.

ROOM KEY MONEY IS THAT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECEMBER IS WHEN IT EXPIRES, AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT IT MAY BE RE-UPPED, MAYBE HOW IF WE WERE, WHICH OPTION WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ROOM KEY REIMBURSEMENT AND CAN WE GET IT UP AND RUNNING TO GET THAT REIMBURSEMENT? DO WE THINK? SO THE OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE MOST LIKELY EXPLORED WOULD BE THE OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE BECAUSE AGAIN, PROJECT ROOM KEY IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE AT RISK FOR COVID 19, AND SO IT WOULD BE FOR HOUSING THOSE WHO ARE VULNERABLE IN NON CONGREGATE CARE SETTINGS VERSUS OPTION ONE, WHICH WOULD BE A SHORT TERM STAY TRYING TO BRIDGE PEOPLE TO SHELTER, WHICH IS CONGREGATE CARE SETTING.

SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN RIGHT NOW.

FEMA DOES SAY 100 PERCENT REIMBURSABLE, BUT AGAIN, SEE IF CARLSBAD WANTS TO ADD THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED.

AND AGAIN, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A ROOM THAT IS VACANT FOR A NIGHT THEN THAT DOES NOT GET COVERED.

SO WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY NOT SAYING 100 PERCENT, BUT A LOT OF THAT IS COVERED WITH THE SERVICES FOR UP UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST.

AND THEN TO ADD ON TO THAT, SO OPTION TWO AND THREE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

BUT AS MANDY MILLS SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO GET EITHER OF THOSE TWO OPTIONS UP.

IT'S BASICALLY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.

TWO MONTHS, 60 DAYS BRINGS US TO THE END OF NOVEMBER, AND THE FUNDING RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO THE END OF DECEMBER.

IT MAY GET EXTENDED LONGER, BUT NO GUARANTEE OF THAT.

SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE REIMBURSEMENT FOR ONE ONE MONTH OF OPERATION AT BEST RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO, SO RELATED TO TO THE COMMENT JUST MADE ABOUT KIND OF HOW WE WANTED TO ADD

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SO THE OBVIOUSLY, WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ENCOUNTERING SOMEBODY IN THE EVENING HOURS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOBODY WHO'S WORKING AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT IN THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO OFFER THAT HOTEL VOUCHER AT THE TIME.

ADDITIONALLY, THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM ALSO WORKS DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SO THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO GO THE NEXT MORNING WITH THE SOCIAL WORKER TO THE HOTEL TO VISIT THE PARTICIPANT INDIVIDUAL AND OFFER THOSE SERVICES.

TRY TO CONNECT THEM WITH AVAILABLE SERVICES.

CHIEF WILLIAMS, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? NO, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT WOULD WORK, IT WOULD.

THE OFFERING OF A VOUCHER WOULD TRIGGER A HOT REFERRAL.

SO THE NEXT MORNING, THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM WITH THE SOCIAL WORKER WOULD GO TO THE HOTEL AND MAKE CONTACT AND TRY TO CONNECT THAT PERSON TO LONGER SERVING SERVICES.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COVERED THIS JUST NOW OR IF IT WAS IN A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, SO I WANT TO I WANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN JUST FOR CLARITY.

THIS IS A ONE NIGHT VOUCHER, THIS PARTICULAR OPTION ONE.

BUT WHAT IF WE ENCOUNTER THE THE INDIVIDUAL AGAIN AND OFFER? DO WE OFFER IT AGAIN? LIKE, WHAT'S THEIR MAX? IF IT'S JUST A ONE NIGHT VOUCHER, BUT WE FIND THAT INDIVIDUAL AGAIN.

AND DO WE OFFER THEM UP TWO? IS THERE A MAX LIKE UP TO THREE TIMES UP TO FIVE TIMES? HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT, SO THE PLAN IS SET UP AS A PILOT PROGRAM AND WE'RE INVESTING A LOT OF DISCRETION IN THE DECISION MAKER.

AT THIS POINT, IT'S GOING TO BE THE WATCH COMMANDER TO ASSESS THE THE NIGHT BY NIGHT CONTINUING OFFER, IF THAT'S THE CASE OR MULTIPLE NIGHTS OVER DIFFERENT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THE MAIN CONSIDERATION IS IS IS THE IS THE OFFERING OF THE ROOM GOING TO FURTHER THE WELFARE AND CARE FOR THAT PERSON AND ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS A PERSON WHO IS OFFERED A NIGHT AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT THEM TO LONGER SERVICES IN TWO ADDITIONAL DAYS, THEN MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO EXTEND THAT FOR TWO ADDITIONAL NIGHTS.

BUT UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE IF THERE ISN'T THAT OPPORTUNITY IN THREE DAYS TO HAVE A CONNECTION TO LONGER SERVICES.

SO IT'S IT'S DRAFTED UP TO PROVIDE FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCRETION TO OFFER THE NIGHT IF IT'S GOING TO BE ADVANTAGEOUS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY OFFER IT IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT ADVANTAGEOUS.

YEAH.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

COULD WE GET THAT SLIDE THAT HAS JUST ALL THE OPTIONS, JUST REALLY BRIEFLY.

I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET, BUT I LOVED IT.

SO GOOD.

DID YOU WANT THE OPTIONS ON ITEM 8 ITEM 9? 8.

HOPE, HOPEFULLY.

IS THIS THE SLIDE? YES, THAT'S THE ONE, THANK YOU.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO, VERY CLEAR.

SO.

OH YES.

MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION PROBABLY WAS FOR LA POSADA.

WE ALREADY EXPRESSED ON THE COUNCIL SUPPORT OF LA POSADA.

AND IN FACT, AS PART OF THIS VERY SAME PACKAGE, WE GAVE FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL WORKERS THERE.

I DON'T EXACTLY HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT YEAH, AND I DO KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

SO.

WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT EXPANDING IT, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING.

WHAT WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE EXISTING FEASIBILITY STUDY BEFORE WE TRY TO AUTHORIZE MORE MONEY, LIKE IS IT EVEN FEASIBLE? WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE FIRST FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE FUNDED FOR THEM TO EXPAND TO INCLUDE WOMEN AND CHILDREN THERE? OF COURSE.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO LA POSADA TONIGHT.

SO FOR SURE, BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO WORK WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES ON THEIR FEASIBILITY OF A SECOND STORE STORY EXPANSION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO AT A LATER DATE WITH OTHER

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OKAY, COOL.

AND JUST ON THEIR EXISTING FUNDING FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

THEY ARE THEY HAVE PROBABLY EXPENDED ABOUT HALF OF THOSE FUNDS, SO I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THEIR PROJECT.

THOSE WERE JUST AUTHORIZED FOR A START OF JULY ONE, SO THERE ARE ONLY A FEW MONTHS INTO THE FEASIBILITY.

OK, COOL.

I THINK WE CAN TAKE DOWN THE SLIDE, AND I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS ON NINE AT ALL.

IT WAS JUST I WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE VOUCHERS AND FIGURING IT OUT BECAUSE WHAT WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING HAS KIND OF CHANGED A BIT.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO DIG INTO WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE REALLY INFORMED DECISIONS AND BRING THE COMMUNITY ALONG WITH US IN OUR THOUGHT PROCESS.

AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION TODAY.

YEAH, NO.

THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

MR. NORBY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, THANK YOU, STAFF AND THE PUBLIC WHO CALLED IN AS WELL.

SO I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU SOME JUST KIND OF QUESTIONS AND I'LL FORMULATE MY MY COMMENTS LATER.

BUT WE IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WE HAD A 60 PERCENT SUCCESS RATE TRANSITIONING THEM TO TRANSIT TRANSITORY HOUSING OR PERMANENT HOUSING.

DO WE CONTINUE TRACKING THAT PERSON OR THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL? OR ARE THEY OUT OF OUR SYSTEM ONCE THEY TRANSITION? IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING IF THEY SLIDE BACK TO HOMELESSNESS IN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, OR IF IT REMAINS A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR THEM THROUGH MULTIPLE YEARS OR A YEAR? WHEN DO WE STOP TRACKING OR DO WE TRACK LONG TERM? SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT THAT IS A PROGRAM THROUGH.

AGAIN, IT WASN'T OUR PROGRAM, IT WAS A COUNTY FUNDED PROGRAM THROUGH REGIONAL TASK FORCE AND INTERFAITH COMMITTEE SERVICES.

BUT WHAT'S NICE IS THAT REGIONAL TASK FORCE DOES HAVE THEIR OUTCOMES ON THEIR WEBSITE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE PUBLIC PROGRAM DATA.

AND WHAT WHAT WE DO MEASURE IS PEOPLE ENTERING BACK INTO THE HOMELESS SYSTEM SO THEY CAN SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ENTERING BACK INTO THE HOMELESS SYSTEM, THEY DO DO FOLLOW UPS.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE MEASURING IN THE PROGRAM.

WE DO MEASURE THAT CURRENTLY WITH OUR RAPID REHOUSING CONTRACT, THAT HOUSING RETENTION BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT METRIC TO LOOK AT.

BUT I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEIR PROGRAM.

THEY WOULD WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT FOR FOR OUR DATA SOURCES.

HOW LONG WOULD WE WOULD WE LOOK? SO WHEN DOES OUR TRACK ONE DOES OUR DATA COLLECTION AND WHEN THEY TRANSITION OUT? OR IS IT A YEAR AWAY, TWO YEARS AWAY? TYPICALLY, YOU FOLLOW UP WITH PEOPLE WITH A SIX MONTH, 12 MONTH, 18 MONTH UP TO TWENTY FOUR MONTHS OF PLACEMENT FOR HOUSING RETENTION.

SO WHEN THEY WHEN THEY'VE WHEN THEY'VE EXITED KIND OF OUR FACILITY, WE STILL KEEP UP WITH THEM SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS TO SEE WHAT, SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING.

AND WE COULD REQUIRE THAT PART OF OUR CONTRACT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTION TWO AND THREE IS KIND OF A NON CONGREGATE CARE FACILITY.

BUT IF WE WERE TO IF WE WERE TO BUILD ONE FROM SCRATCH, WOULD WE BUILD IT LIKE A MOTEL OR HOTEL? WOULD THAT BE BEST PRACTICES OR WOULD IT BE BUILT COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY THAN THAN OPTION TWO OR THREE? WELL, ACTUALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS, AND I THINK PROJECT HOME KEY IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE FUNDING SOURCES THAT HAS FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THAT TYPE OF USE.

SO IT COULD BE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

IT COULD BE ACQUISITION AND REHABILITATION.

IT COULD BE ACQUISITION OF AN EXISTING MOTEL AND TRYING TO REHAB THAT.

IT COULD BE ACQUISITION OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT COULD BE PUTTING ON LOCATION PALLET HOMES OR THOSE LITTLE TINY HOMES.

SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF OPTIONS THAT THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR.

BUT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON LOCATION AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, COULD YOU DO A COMMISSARY AS FAR AS A KITCHEN VERSUS EVERY LITTLE ROOM WITH A KITCHEN OR IS AN INDIVIDUAL ROOM? DOES THAT MEAN A KITCHEN AS WELL AS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

USUALLY, NOT EVERY ROOM HAS A KITCHEN.

YOU WOULD WANT YOU KNOW SOME OPTIONS.

MAYBE IT'S A MICROWAVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT GENERALLY, NO, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A KITCHEN IN EACH, YOU KNOW? AND THEN GETTING TO ITEM NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, THIS IS KIND OF MAYBE A PERSONAL PET PEEVE OF MINE, AND THAT IS THAT WE JUST REQUIRE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO FOLLOW ZONING LAWS.

YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY STRICTLY, AND THEN MOST OF THE VIOLATIONS THAT I'VE SEEN HAVE BEEN LIKE A GOVERNMENT AGENCY WHO DECLARE SOMETHING TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE ZONE DOESN'T ALLOW.

SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE JUSTIFY SAYING ONE FACILITY NEEDS A DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY FOR THE HOMELESS CRISIS? OPTION TWO BUT OPTION THREE DOESN'T NEED A DECLARATION, A DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY

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SO OPTION THREE IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO NOT CHANGE THE USE OF A HOTEL FROM A HOTEL USE.

SO UNDER THAT OPTION, THREE PROGRAM STAYS WOULD BE LIMITED TO 30 DAYS OR LESS, JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE FOR ANY OTHER HOTEL GUESTS.

THE SERVICES ARE NOT PROVIDED ON SITE, AND WE WOULD BE USING, LET'S SAY, JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, THREE HOTELS, 10 PARTICIPANTS IN EACH HOTEL.

ROTATING THOSE 10 PARTICIPANTS IN EACH HOTEL TO ANOTHER HOTEL, IF THEY WERE STAYING LONGER THAN 30 DAYS, THEY WOULD NEVER STAY LONGER THAN 30 DAYS IN ANY ONE HOTEL.

SO IT DOES REQUIRE THAT ADDITIONAL KIND OF ADMINISTRATION AND AND OF COURSE, AND THEN THE SERVICES, THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES, CASE MANAGEMENT AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TYPE SERVICES WOULD BE PROVIDED AT AN OFFSITE LOCATION.

SO THEN, OF COURSE, TRANSPORTATION TO GET THEM TO THAT FACILITY AND PARTICIPATION.

IT IS A WAY TO, YEAH, TO RUN A LONGER TERM VOUCHER PROGRAM, BUT IT HAS ITS COMPLICATIONS.

ON OPTION TWO AGAIN.

THEY'D BE STAYING LONGER THAN 30 DAYS AT ONE SITE WITH ON SITE SERVICES.

THAT IS NOT A HOTEL USE THAT IS A HOMELESS SHELTER DEFINITION.

AND SO THE BECAUSE OF THE LAW AND THE ABILITY TO DECLARE A SHELTER CRISIS, YOU CAN BECAUSE THERE IS A CRISIS, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SET DIFFERENT PARAMETERS OF HOW YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT USE OTHER THAN THE CITY'S BASIC ZONING.

OK, THANK YOU.

AND THEN I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE YOU KNOW, MY I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE PUT IT ALL IN ONE SITE, THERE'S KIND OF ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GETS TO ABSORB IT ALL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, WHETHER IT'S A PARK OR HOUSING, YOU KNOW, A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING.

AND IF WE PUT IT AT THREE OR FOUR SITES IN TERMS OF OPTION THREE, THAT SAME LOAD IS DISTRIBUTED INTO DIFFERENT AREAS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I THINK THAT JUST ONE DISTINCTION TO MAKE IS THE OPTION TWO WHILE IT IS CONCENTRATED IN ONE LOCATION, THAT OPTION DOES INCLUDE TWENTY FOUR SEVEN ON SITE SECURITY.

SO WE HAVE ARE TRYING TO PUT MEASURES IN PLACE TO KIND OF COMPENSATE FOR THAT.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT DOES.

ITEM THREE DOES KIND OF DISPERSE IMPACT AND HAS FEWER PEOPLE IN EACH LOCATION, SO IT'S LESS OF AN IMPACT OVERALL.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, WE DID LOOK AT MULTIPLE SITES INITIALLY.

WE WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THIS PROGRAM, WHETHER TO TO DIVIDE IT UP AT TWO SITES AND PROVIDE THOSE WRAPAROUND SERVICES, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THIS RIGHT, THAT IT WAS VERY COSTLY AND THIS IS ALREADY LIKE PHIL MENTIONED VERY EXPENSIVE.

SO WITH SECURITY, WITH THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, WITH ALL THE IT WAS JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THE ONE SITE MODEL WAS PROPOSED.

YEAH.

AND I THINK I'VE HEARD IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO FIND A SITE, BUT WE DID FIND ONE SITE THAT WOULD AGREE TO THAT BASICALLY THE WHOLE THING.

BUT THERE ARE MANY OR THERE ARE MORE SITES THAT SAY, HEY, I'M WILLING TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, UNDER OPTION THREE, IT'S NOT JUST ONE OF THOSE SHELTERS I THINK YOU MENTIONED FOR.

YES, SO OTHER OTHER HOTELS MIGHT BE.

YEAH, WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE.

INDIVIDUALS ON A ON A LESS THAN 30 DAY BASIS OR 30 DAYS OR LESS BASIS.

ALSO ONE THING WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY FOCUSED ON, BUT THE TENDENCY KIND OF LAWS, RIGHT? ONCE YOU'RE IN A PLACE FOR LONGER THAN 30 DAYS, IT'S NO LONGER CONSIDERED TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY.

AND THAT HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE HOTEL OPERATOR IN TERMS OF PERHAPS EVICTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO ANOTHER CONSIDERATION FOR WHY MULTIPLE HOTELS MIGHT PARTICIPATE IN A SCATTERED SITE, WHEREAS THEY MIGHT NOT BE WILLING TO DO, YOU KNOW, A LONGER VOUCHER PROGRAM AT

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I APPRECIATE THAT.

GOING TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS BASICALLY WE HAVE TWO TWO AREAS THAT WE ALLOW THIS USE OUT OF 30 PLUS ZONES OR REGIONS AS WE GO FROM QUADRANTS TO SECTIONS TO REGIONS.

IS NUMBER FIVE SPECIFICALLY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HYLAND SITE TO REZONE IT TO ALLOW THIS USE.

OR IS IT MORE GLOBALLY TO LOOK AT THE CITY AND TO SEE WHERE OTHER AREAS WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE OR WHERE WE THINK THE BEST LOCATIONS ARE TO PUT EITHER CONGREGATE CARE OR NON CONGREGATE CARE? SO HELP ME WITH THAT.

IT IS THE LATTER MORE GLOBALLY LOOKING.

OUR HOUSING ELEMENT HAS A PROGRAM IN IT, OR ADOPTED, RECENTLY ADOPTED HOUSING ELEMENT HAS A PROGRAM IN IT WHERE WE NEED TO RELOOK AT OUR ZONING PROVISIONS FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND USES.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT.

AND WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING HERE, IF THE COUNCIL SO DIRECTS IT, IS THAT WE WOULD EXPAND IT A LITTLE TO LOOK AT THESE HOMELESS SHELTER, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND OTHER HOUSING USES AND TRY AND ADD ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY, IF YOU WILL, INTO THE SYSTEM.

THE LAST TIME WE COMPREHENSIVELY UPDATED THOSE TYPES OF ORDINANCES WAS IN 2012.

A LOT OF NEW HOUSING LAWS SINCE THEN AND NOW WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS.

SO THINGS HAVE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED SINCE THEN, AND IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT IT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY.

OK, SO THEN THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE US WHAT COMES WITH THAT ALSO IS THE ABILITY TO APPROPRIATELY BASED ON A LOT OF FACTORS, SELECT PROPERTIES, IF YOU WILL, OR ZONES THAT THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED.

IT WOULD ADDRESS ZONES.

YEAH, AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON AMENDMENT RESULTS.

THANK YOU.

SO I'M GOING TO SHIFT TO ITEM NUMBER NINE NOW, AND IF WE COULD JUST PUT UP THE SLIDE, OF THE STAFF PREFERRED OPTION, I THINK IT WAS TWO.

OK, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT SLIDE UP IS THIS PICTURE.

YES, IT IS.

SO DOES THE.

MARTIN VERSUS BOISE CASE REQUIRE US TO LIMIT PART TWO OF THIS.

IT'S UNLAWFUL TO ANY PERSON TO CAMP OR SLEEP IN OPEN SPACE AT ANY TIME.

DOES THE MARTIN BOISE CASE SPECIFICALLY, LIMIT US TO ONLY INCLUDE OPEN SPACE IN THAT DEFINITION, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CHOOSING TO DO BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S THE BEST WAY TO COMPLY? I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT PROVISION IS TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE MARTIN CASE THAT DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO OPEN SPACE PROPERTY, BUT THERE ARE, I MEAN, THE TOPIC OF ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES AREN'T COVERED BY THAT CASE.

SO THAT CASE IS NEITHER REQUIRING OR NOT REQUIRING US TO REGULATE IN THE AREA OF OPEN SPACE.

WELL, WE'RE JUST SAYING NUMBER ONE, WE'RE SAYING IT'S UNLAWFUL, EXCEPT IF WE DON'T HAVE TEMPORARY SHELTER.

BUT NUMBER TWO, NOTWITHSTANDING, HEY, IT'S UNLAWFUL TO CAMP IN ANY OPEN SPACE AT ANY TIME.

COULD WE EXPAND THAT TO INCLUDE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? THAT'S A TRICKY QUESTION TO ANSWER, BECAUSE IT WOULD I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAILORED IN ORDER TO THEN ALLOW OTHER AREAS, PERHAPS FOR.

I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING YOU'RE ASKING, SO YOU WANT LIKE A THIRD SUBSECTION TO SAY THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL.

I THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TO KEEP SECTION TWO TO IT'S UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO CAMP OR SLEEP IN OPEN SPACE OR ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.

SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED I SHOWED THE KIND OF LOT [INAUDIBLE] AND THE WIDE SIDEWALKS, AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THE HEAT MAP IS WHERE IT IS IN THE BARRIO, IN THE VILLAGE, AND THAT'S PRINCIPALLY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES THERE AND A LOT OF GOODS THERE, AND THERE'S WIDE PLACES AND WIDE SIDEWALKS THAT DON'T EXIST IN OTHER AREAS.

AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF IF WE'RE LIMITING THAT TO, I GUESS, WHY ARE WE LIMITING THAT JUST TO OPEN SPACE? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER DESIGNATIONS THAT WE'VE COVERED IN OTHER AREAS, WHETHER IT BE PARKS, WHETHER IT BE PUBLIC, RIGHT OF WAYS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER DEFINITION AS OPPOSED TO JUST OPEN SPACE.

SO IT WOULD BE, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN EXPAND THAT TO INCLUDE

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COUNCIL MEMBER WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT APPROPRIATE FINDINGS IN THE ORDINANCE.

AT THIS TIME THOSE FINDINGS AREN'T THERE.

SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST ADD ON THE LANGUAGE AND ADOPT IT, AS IS THE RECITALS TO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

SO THAT'S LIKE THE FIRST FEW PAGES OF EXHIBITS.

1A, 1B 1C WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT THE NEED FOR THOSE RESTRICTIONS, AND CURRENTLY THEY DON'T SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE NEED FOR THAT RESTRICTION.

IT DOES.

WE DO DISCUSS THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES.

SO IT'S NOT IT'S A POSSIBILITY, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO DO FURTHER RESEARCH TO DETERMINE IF WE HAVE THE FINDINGS TO SUPPORT THAT REGULATION.

OK, AND THOSE COULD BE BROUGHT.

SO IF WE ADOPT THIS, IF THE DIRECTION'S TO ADOPT IT AS IS TODAY, THEY COULD BE BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER DATE AND INCORPORATED OR IS THERE A LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN DO? NO, WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.

I MEAN, WE'VE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PUBLIC NUISANCE ORDINANCE WE AMENDED LAST YEAR AND THEN WE ENDED UP BRINGING IT BACK AGAIN THIS YEAR TO ADD ON THAT ATTORNEY FEE PROVISION.

WE DID THAT AT THE MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO.

SO THAT DOES SOMETIMES HAPPEN WHERE WE ADD JUST A MINOR PROVISION ON TO AN ORDINANCE.

YEAH.

SO I'M GETTING AT YOU KNOW.

I THINK IT'S GREAT IF WE HAVE THE SHELTER ROOMS, IF WE HAVE THEM, IF WE HAVE THE BEDS.

BUT IN THE SCENARIO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE BEDS YOU KNOW I'M JUST GOING TO, I THINK WHAT THE MOST SENSITIVE AREA IS, WHICH IS IN FRONT OF A BUSINESS OR IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

AND THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE AWFUL TO ALLOW IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BEDS.

DON'T GET ME WRONG, THEY'RE BAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS BAD AS IN FRONT OF A BUSINESS OR IN FRONT OF A HOME.

AND WHICH IS WHY I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THE RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, ADJACENT TO A BUSINESS OR A RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.

I WILL NOTE IN THE CHAPTER EIGHT POINT THREE THE TRESPASS AND OBSTRUCTION CHAPTER THAT WE DO PROHIBIT THE OBSTRUCTION EITHER PARTIAL OR COMPLETE AND WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON IS TRYING TO ACCESS THAT PATH OR NOT.

SO THAT COVERS MORE.

I MEAN, THAT COVERS CAMPING, SLEEPING, YOU KNOW, JUST LYING, SITTING, STANDING.

EVERYTHING COVERS EVEN MORE THAN CAMPING.

AND THAT INCLUDES SIDEWALKS, STREETS RIGHT OF WAYS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE AREAS IN QUESTION.

SO ONE THING THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY IS TO SEE HOW THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS ORDINANCE GOES.

AND PERHAPS THIS ORDINANCE MAY END UP, YOU KNOW, REGULATING OR AIDING AND REDUCING THAT SORT OF CAMPING BEHAVIOR IN THE AREAS IN QUESTION.

I'M NOT SURE.

OK, SO JUST ONCE AGAIN, TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT, IF YOU GO DOWN ROOSEVELT STREET ITS ENTIRE LENGTH, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS PROBABLY 12 FEET AND THERE'S A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND THERE IS SIX FEET OF GRASS OR DIRT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE UNIMPROVED, BUT IT'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND A PERSON COULD CAMP THERE, SLEEP THERE WITHOUT OBSTRUCTING THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE IT'S SO WIDE AND THAT EXISTS ON SEVERAL STREETS IN THE BARRIO AND IN THE VILLAGE WHERE IT IS POSSIBLE TO CAMP AND NOT OBSTRUCT.

ON A TRADITIONAL FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

BUT ON THESE STREETS AND THESE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, IT IS POSSIBLE.

AND THAT'S WHY I JUST, I GUESS WE COULD ADDRESS IT IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

BUT IT WOULD BE IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

AND WE CAN MAKE FINDINGS, I THINK I'D LIKE IT IN THERE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, BUT IT'S JUST MY QUESTION.

YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION IN TERMS OF MARTIN BOISE, I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT'S ALL.

THAT'S ALL FOR MY QUESTIONS.

OK, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK SOME VERY GENERAL QUESTIONS TO BEGIN WITH, AND THEN I'LL GET MORE INTO THE DETAIL AS I GO ALONG.

BUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE WE'VE TALKED TO SO FAR.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE WE ACTUALLY HELPED AND GOT THEM OUT OF THE HOMELESS AND INTO A MORE POSITIVE SITUATION? YOU MEAN THE DATA FROM PEOPLE MOVING INTO LIKE PERMANENT HOUSING OR INTO.

BACK HOME, WHEREVER YOU GOT THEM OFF THE STREETS AND GOT THEM TO THE NEXT STEP INTO SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT? SECTION 8 WHATEVER.

I WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY PULL THAT DATA AT A LATER TIME TO KIND OF FIND THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT RECENTLY FROM THIS YEAR I CAN SPEAK TO WE RECENTLY HAD 20 PEOPLE, THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY RESOURCE CONTRACT FOR STREET HOMELESS.

THEY MOVED INTO HOUSING.

WE HAD OUR SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM ISSUED VOUCHERS, AND SO WE HAD FIVE PEOPLE MOVE INTO HOUSING.

SO I MEAN, WE ARE DOING THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PULL THAT INFORMATION.

OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM, IT DOES FOCUS ON MORE EMERGENCY RELATED SERVICES, LESS ON PERMANENT HOUSING, BUT THEY CONTINUE TO ALSO HOUSE PEOPLE AND REUNIFY PEOPLE WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

SO OVER THE YEARS, I KNOW THE NUMBER HAS BEEN HIGHER, BUT WE ALSO SEE EVERYDAY PEOPLE FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS.

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SO RENTS ANOTHER QUESTION WE'LL GO INTO THAT AT SOME OTHER TIME, BUT I THINK THE FEDS AND THE STATE HAVE MORE THAN COMPENSATED FOR ANY RENT QUESTION.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF APPLICATION, AT LEAST AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

BUT SO WHEN WE REACH OUT TO PEOPLE, HOW OFTEN ARE THERE HURDLES THAT WE CAN'T GET THEM ACROSS? I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT WANT HELP.

HOW MANY TIMES CAN'T YOU HELP THEM IN WITHIN 30 DAYS? I DON'T KNOW IF I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] CAN ALSO SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL, BUT I KNOW THAT AGAIN, WE MENTIONED EARLIER ON WE HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR BEDS AND A LOT OF THAT DURING COVID THE OCCUPANCY RATES HAVE BEEN LOWERED.

DURING COVID.

AGAIN, GETTING PEOPLE, EVEN INTO TREATMENT, SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HAS BEEN VERY LIMITED.

AND AGAIN, IF THEIR UTILIZATION RATES LIKE LA POSADA, WE LOOKED AT THERE, WE GET BED AVAILABILITY EVERY DAY.

WE LOOKED AT THEIR OCCUPANCY RATE.

THEY'VE BEEN AT A 90 TO A 99 OR ONE HUNDRED PERCENT UTILIZATION OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

SO EVEN IF WE DID HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO COME IN, SOMETIMES AGAIN, THE BEDS ARE VERY LIMITED.

SO IT IS CHALLENGING.

AND AGAIN, WOMEN'S BEDS ARE VERY LIMITED IN THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY IN NORTH COUNTY, AND BEDS FOR FAMILIES ARE VERY LIMITED.

SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST GET A FEEL TODAY IF HOW MUCH WE REALLY NEED, YOU KNOW, ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS TODAY, WHAT IS THE REAL NEED, YOU KNOW, TODAY? AND I, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD NUMBERS.

I HEAR YOU SAY WE DO NEED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ONE, 10 OR ONE HUNDRED.

SO YOU KNOW THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

WHEN WE TALK TO THESE PEOPLE AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, WE ASK THEM, DO WE ASK THEM IF THEY'VE BEEN VETERANS? DO WE KNOW HOW MANY VETERANS ARE OUT THERE? I MEAN, CARLSBAD HAD LESS THAN SIX PERCENT OF OUR HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED OUR VETERANS, SO WHEN WE DO, WE TRY TO BRIDGE THEM TO THE HOMELESS OUTREACH SOCIAL WORKERS THROUGH THE VA.

AND WE TRY TO BRIDGE THEM TO VETERANS SERVICES SINCE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RESOURCES FOR THEM.

SO HELP ME REMEMBER THE NUMBERS, SO IS THAT SIX PERCENT OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY OR IS THAT SIX PERCENT OF THE FIVE HUNDRED NUMBER? THE FIVE HUNDRED NUMBER.

OK.

SO HAVE WE TRACKED THOSE PEOPLE AND ARE WE WORKING WITH THE NEW VA HOUSING THAT'S GOING TO BE ON HARDING STREET TO HELP THOSE? SO, YEAH, WE ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE INTO THAT HOUSING AND TRYING TO GET THEM BRIDGED AND ALSO BRIDGE TO BASH.

THERE'S ALSO GRANT PER DIEM PROGRAMS THAT WE TRY TO GET THEM BRIDGED TO AND OTHER SERVICES.

I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT A LOT OF THAT IS INTENSIVE CASE MANAGEMENT.

AND AGAIN, OUR HOMES [INAUDIBLE] ARE YOU'RE RESPONDING TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT CALLS FOR SERVICE AND BRIDGING PEOPLE TO MORE IMMEDIATE NEEDS? OUR HOUSING ADVOCATE IS TRYING TO DO THAT AS WELL WITH HOUSING PLACEMENTS, BUT WE AREN'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO DO THAT INTENSIVE WORK FOR ALL PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN CARLSBAD AT THIS TIME.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 50 BEDS FOR VA WHO ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE ISSUES.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE 50 BEDS, WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING AND HAVE NAMES TO PUT INTO THOSE 50 BEDS.

YES, WE ARE ADDRESSING THAT.

OK.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE HAS A REALLY GOOD RATE ON PEOPLE GETTING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND GOING BACK INTO THE REAL WORLD.

HOW ARE WE WORKING WITH SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE TODAY ON THEIR PROJECT ON HARDING STREET? YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, SO I'LL ADDRESS THAT.

YES, WE HAVE OVER THE YEARS FUNDED SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE ON A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS. THE PROJECT WE HELPED FUND ACQUISITION OF WAS ON CHESTNUT AT 16 UNITS.

THE CONTRACT THAT THEY ENTERED INTO WITH THE CITY WAS TO SUBSTANTIALLY REHAB THOSE 16 UNITS AND OFFER THEM TO LOW INCOME RESIDENTS THAT WERE GRADUATING FROM THEIR SOLUTIONS ACADEMY SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE'S MODEL IS NOT A HOUSING FIRST MODEL.

SO FUNDING SOURCES ARE DIFFICULT FOR THEM, AND TO DATE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SECURE THE FUNDING TO REHABILITATE, SUBSTANTIALLY REHABILITATE THAT PROJECT.

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OK.

AND IT SEEMED TO ME, I MEAN, THEY HAVE 12 UNITS TODAY, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME IT WAS MUCH GREATER NUMBER IF THEY COULD ONLY GET THE FUNDING IN ORDER TO DO IT.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR OPTIONS WHEN WE THINK OF OPTIONS AND ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE.

THESE ARE SOME THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH CONVERSATION ABOUT, SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF BRING THOSE TO THE FOREFRONT.

ALSO, THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITY.

WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH HAVE WE DONE TO THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITY TO HELP THEM BECOME PARTNERS IN SOME OF THE NEEDS WE HAVE? AND AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF SPEAK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE NON PROFIT PROVIDERS AND FAITH BASED PROVIDERS DURING OUR HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, WE DID REQUESTS FOR DIFFERENT SERVICE PROVIDERS, WE DID EMAIL A LOT OF THOSE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS AND PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT NORTH COUNTY AND SAN DIEGO.

SO WE DID HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF SOLUTIONS BEING ONE OF THEM TO SEE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN APPLYING FOR OUR HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN BEING THE SERVICE PROVIDER.

AND SO I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND REACH OUT TO DIFFERENT AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE REGION TO SEE ABOUT THEIR PARTICIPATION.

AS FAR AS FAITH BASED PROVIDERS, WE DO ENGAGE WITH THEM QUITE A BIT.

BUT AGAIN, FAITH BASED PROVIDERS OFTENTIMES ARE RUN BY VOLUNTEERS.

THEY DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE MAYBE THE CAPACITY TO RUN THESE LARGER PROGRAMS, AND SO IT DOES MAKE IT HARD FOR THE FUNDING SOURCES DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO AND DURING COVID, WE SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO BECAUSE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, STEP OUT OF THAT.

AND SO SOME OF THE FAITH BASED PROGRAMS HERE IN CARLSBAD HAD TO SHUT DOWN TEMPORARILY BECAUSE OF OPERATIONS AND LACK OF VOLUNTEERS DURING THAT TIME.

AND I WOULD ADD THROUGH OUR ANNUAL CDBG SERVICE PROVIDER FUNDING THE GOALS THAT THE COUNCIL ESTABLISHED THROUGH OUR CDBG ANNUAL PLAN ARE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PRIORITIES ARE HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING.

AND SO EACH YEAR WE ARE RECEIVING APPLICATIONS AND PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING TO A NUMBER OF SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES THAT DO WORK IN CARLSBAD.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD SUPPORTING THE NONPROFITS.

OK.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF YOU KNOW, IN MY CONVERSATION WITH THE FAITH BASED COMMUNITIES, I KNOW HOMELESSNESS IS A PRIORITY WITH THEM AND JUST UNDERSTANDING THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE LOCATIONS AND WHAT THEIR FACILITIES HAVE TO OFFER, IT SEEMED TO ME IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT OF A WORTHWHILE CONVERSATION IAS TO TRYING TO BE CREATIVE OF WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO WITH SOME OF THOSE GROUPS.

SO JUST THE THOUGHT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.

YOU MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT YOU HAD FOUR INTERESTED LOCATIONS.

OF THOSE OTHERS THAT WE HAVEN'T NAMED SPECIFICALLY, AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO NAME THEM.

BUT WHAT DISTRICTS ARE THEY IN.

NO, ACTUALLY LET ME CLARIFY, WE DID A REQUEST FOR INTEREST FOR SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS TO ACTUALLY BE THE CONTRACTOR TO IMPLEMENT THE HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

SO IT'S NOT ACTUAL HOTELS THAT RESPONDED.

IT WAS SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS.

SO, THEN IF I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THEN, WE ONLY HAVE ONE FACILITY RIGHT NOW THAT MAY WANT TO PARTNER WITH US FOR OUR NEEDS.

WE HAVE ONE HOTEL THAT'S WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM MODEL THAT'S A CENTRALIZED MODEL, AND THAT'S THE ONE FOR OPTION TWO.

FOR SCATTERED SITE MODEL THERE HAVE BEEN A HANDFUL OF OTHER HOTELS THAT ARE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE ON MORE SMALLER SCALE AND HAVE NOT MADE ANY COMMITMENT, BUT HAVE EXPRESSED WILLINGNESS TO DISCUSS THAT.

AND SO I DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION QUITE CORRECTLY.

SO HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE NOT IN DISTRICT ONE? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

HOLLY, DO YOU.

I THINK WHEN WE DID PUT OUT THE RFI RECENTLY AS WELL, WE DID HAVE ONE HOTEL EXPRESS INTEREST POTENTIALLY IN THE HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO FURTHER VET IT.

IT JUST CLOSED YESTERDAY.

SO THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER HOTEL PROGRAMS. WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THE SCATTERED SITE MODEL IS THAT IT CAN BE IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL RENTING THE ROOM.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THIS INTENSIVE PROGRAM MODEL.

SO WE'VE HAD HOTELS IN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT TWO WHO HAVE

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AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO FURTHER KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM MODEL.

BUT THERE HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, DISTRICTS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST.

OK.

JUST SOME OF MY BROAD QUESTIONS, SO I GUESS NOW WE'RE DOWN TO KIND OF SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS, AND I THINK I'M GOING TO BE FAIR TO MY COLLEAGUES AND JUST GO IN THE REVERSE ORDER.

SO I WILL START WITH MR. NORBY AND GO BACK TO TERESA PRIYA AND THEN KEITH.

OK, SORRY, IF ANYBODY WANTS ME TO PULL UP ANY OF THE OPTIONS SLIDES, JUST LET ME KNOW, OK? I THINK WE'RE TWO AND A HALF HOURS INTO THE MEETING.

CAN WE TAKE A BREAK.

[LAUGHTER] KEITH BINGO? I'M SURE THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

SO I'M SORRY.

I'VE LOST TRACK OF TIME.

WE'VE GOT OFF TO SUCH A QUICK START.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY 4:30 OR 5.

SO THANK YOU MR. BLACKBURN FOR MENTIONING THAT.

SO IT IS 20 TO ROUGHLY 20 TO FIVE.

SO LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

MR. BLACKBURN.

IT IS BACK IN SESSION HERE BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENTS, I JUST, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY LAST QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENTS? NOT SEEING ANYONE SO MR. NORBY IF YOU WANT TO LEAD OFF.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YOU KNOW, AS I THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, I JUST KIND OF HAVE REVIEWED MY HISTORY IN TERMS OF TIME HERE AND WHAT THE CITY HAS DEALT WITH IN THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS.

FIRST OF ALL, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES TO ADOPT THE 15 PERCENT INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, AND WE WERE THE ONLY CITY FOR MANY, MANY, MANY DECADES TO HAVE THAT.

AND THAT'S GOING THE EXTRA MILE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO WE CAN KEEP PEOPLE IN HOUSING INSTEAD OF THEM FALLING OUT OF HOUSING BECAUSE OF [INAUDIBLE] GOING INTO HOMELESSNESS.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT CARLSBAD DID 30 YEARS AGO PLUS.

WE HAD A MIGRANT CRISIS IN OUR FARM WORKERS WHEN CARLSBAD WAS MORE RURAL AND WE RESPONDED BY CREATING LA POSADA.

AND THAT WAS A HUGE VICTORY TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.

WE HAD A CRISIS OF KIND OF WORKERS STANDING ON THE STREETS LOOKING FOR JOBS, AND WE RESPONDED WITH [INAUDIBLE] JOBS FOR PROGRESS AND RESPONDED TO THAT ISSUE.

I'VE HEARD THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IN TERMS OF A VETERANS FACILITY THAT IS COMING ONLINE SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE THAT IT'S WORKING ON AT WINDSOR POINT FACILITY, AS WELL AS THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE TONIGHT.

SO CARLSBAD HAS DEMONSTRATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN ITS COMPASSION AND ITS ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THESE DIFFICULT, COMPLEX PROBLEMS. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN ON THIS ISSUE HERE TONIGHT, AND I'M SO PROUD OF OUR STAFF AND OUR COLLEAGUES AS WE TRY AND DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE.

LIKE PRIOR COUNCILS HAVE DEALT WITH THE ISSUES THAT I'VE MENTIONED, AND BY NO MEANS IS THIS CREATED FOR THOSE PAST ISSUES CREATED TO SCOUR STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS THAT IS NOT OUR JOB AND OUR JOB IS TO RESPOND TO THE ISSUE OF THE DAY.

AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

SO FOR ME PERSONALLY AND FOR MY 20 PERCENT, I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR STAFF, FOR COMING UP FOR OPTION ONE.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT, FLEXIBLE, IMMEDIATE TOOL.

IT WON'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS, BUT IT GIVES US SOME TOOL AND I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION ONE.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION THREE AND WILL NOT SUPPORT OPTION TWO BECAUSE I THINK IT PLACES THE ONUS ENTIRELY ON ONE PROJECT.

I'M LEERY ABOUT THE HOMELESS EMERGENCY DECLARATION WHEN WE HAVE OTHER WAYS TO SOLVE IT, SUCH AS OPTION THREE, THAT DOESN'T.

I GUESS MY PERSONAL TEST WOULD BE IT DOESN'T PASS MUSTER WITH ME IF WE CAN SUBSTANTIALLY DEAL WITH IT IN OPTION THREE.

I LIKE OPTION THREE BECAUSE IT LIMITS IT TO 30 DAYS AND AGAIN SIX MONTHS OF HOUSING IN THE BEACH COMMUNITY IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW FOR ME, WHICH IS CONTAINED IN OPTION TWO.

BUT THE REAL ANSWERS FOR ME.

SO THESE ARE MAYBE IMMEDIATE RESPONSES AND MEDIUM RESPONSES.

BUT THE REAL ANSWER TO ME IS WHAT CARLSBAD HAS DONE IN THE PAST, WHICH ARE THE LONG TERM OPTIONS.

AND TO WORK ON THOSE LONG TERM OPTIONS, I'M INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION FOUR AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT COMES BACK WITH THAT.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION FIVE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A ZONING EXERCISE THAT HAPPENED AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHERE ONLY TWO AREAS WERE CALLED OUT AS HAVING AN ALLOWED USE.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT OR FAIR.

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SO LET'S TAKE A CITYWIDE, HOLISTIC LOOK AT IT, REALIZING THAT A LOT OF THE ANSWERS ARE GOING TO BE IN DISTRICT ONE.

IT'S WHERE THE HOT ZONE IS, AND THEN I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF OPTION SIX.

AND SO FOR MY 20 PERCENT, IT'S OPTION ONE, OPTION THREE OPTION FOUR OPTION FIVE AND OPTION SIX.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

THANK YOU.

JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE ALSO GOING TO GIVE OUR REMARKS ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE? OK, SO GO AHEAD.

YES.

OK, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE OUR STAFF RESPONDING TO MY CONCERNS LAST WEEK, AND THEY'VE GONE A LONG WAY.

I DO WANT TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE, BUT I REALIZE THAT THAT LANGUAGE ISN'T READY TO INCLUDE TONIGHT AND REQUIRES SOME ADDITIONAL EVALUATION.

MY CONCERN WILL REMAIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE PROPERTY.

BUT I'M WILLING TO LET THAT RIDE FOR A FUTURE DATE, SEE IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE OR IS AN ISSUE, OR STAFF CAN BRING IT BACK TO US AT A LATER DATE.

SO THAT WAS A YES ON NINE.

YES, THAT'S A YES ON NINE.

OK, I JUST SO I'M VERY CLEAR, YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA IT'S YOUR TURN.

OKAY, GREAT.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I DO THINK THAT EXPLORING THIS VOUCHER OPTION IS PART OF OUR COMPASSIONATE APPROACH, OUR KIND OF HYBRID, COMPASSIONATE PLUS ENFORCEMENT APPROACH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

AND I KNOW I SAW IT IN YOUR SLIDES, WHICH WERE FANTASTIC.

BY THE WAY, I LOVE THE SLIDES REALLY BOILED DOWN SOME OF THE COMPLEX THINGS INTO VERY CLEAR IMAGES AND AND BULLET POINTS.

FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] VOUCHER I WAS ASKING, I HAD ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW SOON WE COULD GET THIS UP AND RUNNING.

THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

WE'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME.

WE MADE THIS DECISION MONTHS AGO AND I KNOW WE HAD TO DO THAT PUBLIC INPUT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT ONE NIGHT VOUCHER, THAT'S OPTION ONE.

I'M A FAN OF THAT.

I DO THINK WHEN WE DO THAT, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO COORDINATE WITH OUR EITHER SERVICE PROVIDERS OR CITY STAFF, WHOMEVER IT IS, SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE WATCH COMMANDER GIVING THE VOUCHER OR AUTHORIZING THE VOUCHER FOR THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT THAT WE'RE CONNECTING THEM WITH SERVICES RIGHT AWAY FIRST THING IN THE MORNING THAT SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE KNOCKING ON THEIR DOOR AND OFFERING THEM SERVICES.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT IF PEOPLE AGREE AT THE END OF THIS.

AND THEN AS FOR THE HYLAND INN AND THE OPTIONS THERE, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

I DO THINK THE SCATTERED SITES OPTION IS A BETTER OPTION, AND I THINK I WAS PRETTY TRANSPARENT IN EXPRESSING MY DISMAY AT THE SIX MONTHS OF HOUSING IN CARLSBAD THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING SHELTER HOUSING.

AND IT'S JUST TOO LONG.

IT'S TOO LONG AND COMFORTABLE.

AND I THINK THAT HAVING THE 30 DAYS AND WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ZONING AND WE DON'T NEED TO SIGN ANY NEW DEALS OR MAKE HYLAND INN ENTIRELY A HOMELESS SHELTER.

THAT WAS ALSO A BIT WORRYING CONCERNING AS WELL.

SO THE NUMBER THREE THE SCATTERED SITES IS ANOTHER OPTION I FAVOR FOR SUPPORTING THE LA POSADA NEXT PHASE.

I SUPPORT THAT.

AND OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THAT WE'RE NOT QUITE READY YET BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, BUT WHEN THEY COME BACK, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM.

AND I WAS JUST THINKING BECAUSE I GREW UP CATHOLIC, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OUTREACH TO THE FAITH COMMUNITY, AND I WAS LIKE, THAT IS A FAITH COMMUNITY.

IT'S CATHOLIC CHARITIES RUN ORGANIZATION.

AND THEN FIVE NUMBER FIVE WAS MANY PROVISIONS TO EXPAND ALLOWABLE EMERGENCY SHELTER LOCATIONS.

I THINK WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE.

YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OTHER SHELTER LOCATIONS KIND OF A MENU WITH MORE THINGS AVAILABLE, SO I WOULD LIKE.

I DO SUPPORT OPTION FIVE AND THEN NUMBER SIX PROJECT HOMEKEY.

IT'S A KIND OF A LONGER TERM THING, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO APPLY IMMEDIATELY, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE.

AGAIN, REGISTERING MY CONCERN ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEING TOO LONG.

BUT WE CAN COMPROMISE AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT FINDING SOME SHELTER HOUSING IN CARLSBAD.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION SIX AND THEN FOR THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, I WOULD LIKE AND I WASN'T ENTIRELY CLEAR WITH COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE ONE THAT I SUPPORT IS THE CLEANED UP VERSION.

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THERE WERE THREE.

IT'S THE ONE IN EXHIBIT ONE B, I BELIEVE AS YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

DO WANT ME TO PULL UP THE LANGUAGE.

YES, PLEASE.

I THINK I FROZE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HEARD ME, BUT I SAID OPTION TWO THE MIDDLE ONE.

THAT WAS THE CLEANED UP VERSION OF WHAT WE ASKED STAFF FOR LAST TIME.

THAT'S THE ONE I LIKED.

AND AGAIN, I THINK I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN EXHIBIT 1B.

SO JUST WANT TO VERIFY THIS IS 1B.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

OK.

JUST MAKING SURE.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU.

AND JUST SO I'M CRYSTAL CLEAR, PEDER, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 1B ALSO IN ITEM NINE.

MAYOR THAT'S CORRECT, AND THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS CONTAINED TO THE FIRST PART OF THAT.

OK GOT IT.

GOT IT.

I JUST.

YOU WEREN'T SPECIFIC THERE, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

OK.

MAYOR, IF I CAN CLARIFY SOMETHING BASED ON THE PREVIOUS TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS COMMENTS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT OPTION THREE, THE SCATTERED SITE MODEL.

A STAY IN ANY ONE HOTEL WOULD BE LIMITED TO 30 DAYS.

BUT THEN WE MAY IF WE HAVEN'T BRIDGED THEM TO HOUSING SOLUTIONS YET, THEY MAY STAY LONGER THAN 30 DAYS, JUST NOT IN ANY ONE HOTEL.

SO IT COULD BE A LONGER STAY IN HOTELS IN CARLSBAD IN 30 DAYS, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LIMITED TO JUST 30 DAYS.

IT DOES TAKE TIME TO BRIDGE TO PUT AN INDIVIDUAL INTO THE VOUCHER PROGRAM SHELTER AND THEN WITH THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO BRIDGE THEM TO MORE PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS.

IT DOES TAKE TIME, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

MAYOR.

YES.

GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THANK YOU, MR. BARBERIO, FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

WOULD WE REEVALUATE WHAT WOULD WE CHECK IN LIKE AFTER THE SAY, TWENTY NINE OR THIRTY DAYS AT THAT ONE PLACE? WOULD THEY BE WORKING WITH THE CASEWORKER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS BECOMING SELF-SUSTAINABLE? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT HOTEL, I WON'T SUPPORT IT.

I WOULD WITHDRAW MY SUPPORT.

BUT IF THEY'RE BEING REEVALUATED AND THERE IS SOME STRUCTURE AROUND THAT, THEN I WOULD SUPPORT IT.

I THINK, HOLLY, YOU CAN ADD SOMETHING IF I IF THIS ISN'T ENOUGH.

BUT THE PART OF THE PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION AND DESIGN WOULD INCLUDE A HOUSING PLAN, SO THEY WOULD BE WORKING ACTIVELY WORKING ON THEIR PLAN TO SECURE THE NEXT STEP OF HOUSING OR SHELTER.

AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE WEEKLY CHECK INS WITH THE SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDER ON THEIR HOUSING PLAN AND HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF HOLLY YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE KIND OF REITERATING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IF THEY WEREN'T, THEN WE WOULD GIVE THEM THREE DAYS TO EXIT AND BRIDGE TO OTHER OR TO BRIDGE THEM TO A SHELTER.

BUT WE WOULD THEN TERMINATE THEM FROM THE PROGRAM IF THEY WEREN'T MAKING THAT PROGRESS.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE JUST 30 DAYS AUTOMATICALLY.

WE WOULD HAVE THOSE WEEKLY CHECK INS MEASURING PLANS AND THEN IF NOT, THEN WE WOULD TERMINATE THEM FROM SERVICES.

OK, THANK YOU.

AND I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING FOR THE HYLAND INN OPTION AS WELL, THEY DON'T JUST GET TO HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD FOR SIX MONTHS, THEY HAVE TO BE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE PROGRAM AND WORKING TOWARDS THEIR HOUSING PLAN TOWARDS PERMANENT SOLUTIONS.

OKAY.

DR. BHAT-PATEL.

SURE, THANK YOU.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS I FEEL LIKE AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE ENTIRE STATE AND THE ENTIRE COUNTRY HAS BEEN STRUGGLING WITH.

AND I THINK JUST OVERALL, YOU KNOW, JUST THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING WHAT THEY CAN IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS, WHETHER IT'S BEEN AS COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY MENTIONED HAVING AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHETHER IT'S BEEN TAKING A COMPASSIONATE APPROACH, HAVING A HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE PLAN, HAVING A HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM, HAVING OUR HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE

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I THINK WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO ADDRESS THIS, AND IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION.

IT'S A VERY LAYERED CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

I THINK THE APPROACHES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE A WAY FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND OF COURSE, PROVIDE US WITH SOME MORE POSITIVE OUTCOMES.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN BE FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED, WHETHER IT'S FOLKS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS OR WHETHER IT'S OUR RESIDENTS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT TIME TO SEE THAT INCREASE THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

AND SO WITH THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS OR JUST IN GENERAL, ANY OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, A LOT ACROSS THE STATE IS WE CONVERSE ABOUT EITHER HOUSING FIRST OR REHAB.

AND I THINK THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, REALLY, WE HAVE TO THINK OF IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, FOR ME, WHENEVER I THINK OF IT IS REALLY FIGURING OUT A COMPROMISE AND A MIXED SOLUTION BECAUSE ONE SIZE ISN'T GOING TO FIT ALL.

AND SO JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT ONE, EACH INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH X OR Y IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BE PERMANENTLY HOUSED.

I PERSONALLY FEEL IS IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

I FEEL LIKE WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT A MYRIAD OF OPTIONS TO REALLY ADDRESS THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS HAVE WHATEVER SERVICES THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET, TO A PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE STABILITY.

AND SO WITH THAT, AND WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THEN OF COURSE, FROM SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY REALLY INVESTED IN IT AND HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

I'LL START OFF WITH THE ONES THAT I FEEL THAT I AM TRULY, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO AND FEEL LIKE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOME ACHIEVABLE OUTCOMES WITH THOSE WOULD BE OPTIONS FOUR AND SIX AND THOSE ARE WITHIN THE LONG TERM OPTIONS.

SO I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT WITH LA POSADA AND WITH PROJECT HOMEKEY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO SOMETHING IN TERMS OF MORE SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS.

IF I HAD TO CHOOSE SOMETHING, IF I WERE ASKED BY MY COLLEAGUES, HEY, WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE SHORT TERM OPTIONS? BECAUSE WE DO NEED SOMETHING, THEN I COULD POTENTIALLY BE OPEN TO THE OPTION ONE, I WOULD NEED TO SEE A LOT MORE INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO OPTION THREE.

I JUST FEEL THAT WE JUST WITH REGARDS TO MY DISTRICT AND THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT I HAD HEARD FROM MY CONSTITUENCY, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW A LOT MORE BEFORE I COULD SAY I'M COMMITTED TO HAVING A SCATTERED SITE OPTION.

I KNOW EVEN WITH OPTION ONE, IT COULD MEAN THAT WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HOUSED WHEREVER.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND IT, AND I THINK THAT AGAIN, WHAT FOLKS HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE HOUSING FOR FOLKS AND ENSURE THAT THEY AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING FOR TO BE TO HOLD THEM OVER UNTIL THE NEXT DAY UNTIL WE CAN CONNECT THEM TO SERVICES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD SAY MY PREFERENCES WOULD BE OPTIONS FOUR AND SIX.

AND IF MY COLLEAGUES WERE TO ASK ME, I WOULD THEN SAY, SURE, I'D BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT AND ENTERTAIN OPTION ONE FOR THE TIME BEING.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS AROUND THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE ORDINANCES.

SO I AM ALSO IN LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS NORBY AND COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA WITH REGARDS TO OPTION 1B.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY MY TAKE ON THAT ONE.

AND THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THIS.

MR. BLACKBURN.

WHEN I TALK WITH THE COMMUNITY, I TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT IN MY OPINION, THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOMELESS PEOPLE.

THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME WHO HAVE JUST HAD A HORRIBLE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND WE FIND OURSELVES LIVING OUT OF OUR CAR.

THE NEXT LEVEL IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS, WHETHER THEY HAVE THE MATURITY OF A 10 YEAR OLD AND BUT THEY'RE IN AN ADULT BODY AND WE'RE PUTTING THEM OUT ON THE STREETS AND MAKING THEM WORK ON THEIR OWN OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SCHIZOPHRENIA, BIPOLAR.

ANY OF THESE OTHER ISSUES AND DON'T TAKE THEIR MEDICATIONS, THEN THE NEXT LEVEL ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER DRUG ADDICTED OR ALCOHOL ADDICTED? AND THEN THE THIRD TYPE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE ABSOLUTE HARDEST, THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE HOMELESS, THAT'S THE LIFESTYLE THEY WANT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY.

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SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST GROUP.

THAT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME WHO JUST GOT BAD CIRCUMSTANCES.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE EASIEST TO HELP.

AND I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM.

AND IF THAT MEANS LONGER THAN 30 DAYS TO GET THEM INTO HOUSING, IF THEY WANT TO BE OFF THE STREET AND THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK HARD AT IT.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY BARRIERS BETWEEN US.

THE NEXT LEVEL IS THOSE WHO EITHER HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS OR MAYBE EVEN PHYSICAL PROBLEMS OR ANY KIND OF LIKE SCHIZOPHRENIA, BIPOLAR.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HELP THESE PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

THEY'RE NOT LAZY.

THEY'RE NOT.

THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE DRUGS.

THESE PEOPLE, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HELP THEM, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO ARE OR ESSENTIALLY HAVE EITHER LOW IQ OR A VERY LOW MENTALITY OR HAVE MENTAL DISORDERS, AND THEY CAN'T CARE FOR THEMSELVES AS HARD AS THEY WANT TO THEY CAN'T.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GIVE THEM ALL THE SERVICES THEY NEED.

AGAIN, NO LIMITATIONS HELP THEM GET OFF THE STREETS.

THE NEXT GROUP ARE THE PEOPLE WHO I CALL THE SCARY GROUP.

THEY'RE THE ONES I'VE TALKED WITH.

I'VE SPENT TIME TALKING WITH THEM AND ASKING THEM A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND PRETTY MUCH THE ANSWER I'VE GOTTEN IS I AM NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP MY METH FOR HOUSING.

I'M JUST NOT WILLING TO DO IT.

AND THEY'RE SCARY WHEN THEY'RE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF METH OR WHATEVER STREET DRUGS THEY'RE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF.

THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND CONSEQUENCES.

THEY BECOME UNPREDICTABLE.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE DIRTY.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DON'T FOLLOW THE COMMUNITY NORMS. AND IT'S SCARY TO HEAR THEM SAY ALCOHOL, METH, HEROIN, WHATEVER THEY'RE ON IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN HOUSING.

AND THESE ARE THE ONES I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE OUT ONE NIGHT VOUCHERS, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THEM OFF THE STREET.

THEY'RE NOT STUPID.

THEY ALL TALK.

THEY WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM IF THERE'S A WAY TO MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM.

AND THE SAME THING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO GO ALONG WITH SOCIAL NORMS. THEY WANT TO BE HOMELESS.

THEY THINK THAT'S AN EASIER LIFE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE SO DIFFICULT TO WORK ON GETTING HOUSING FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM.

SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THAT, I GUESS THE POINT I'M MAKING IS EVERY HOMELESS PERSON HAS THEIR OWN STORY AND THEIR OWN ISSUES.

I WANT VERY MUCH TO HELP THEM, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO TURN OUR HOMELESS POPULATION INTO OUR TAXPAYERS' DEPENDENCE.

I LOVE THE IDEA OR THE THOUGHT OF HANDOUTS PERPETUATE THE HOMELESS.

YOU'RE NOT BEING COMPASSIONATE IF YOU'RE JUST GIVING HANDOUTS, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PERPETUATING THE PROBLEM.

SO WITH THAT SAID, ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

SOME PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS BY HORRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND I'LL GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES THAT I PERSONALLY RAN INTO A HISPANIC FAMILY VISITING THEIR FRIENDS OR THEIR FAMILY IN MEXICO IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER, DRIVING BACK TO LOS ANGELES IN THEIR STATION WAGON, MOM, DAD AND TWO KIDS AND THEIR CAR BROKE DOWN IN CARLSBAD.

THEY WERE SHIVERING IN THE BACK OF THEIR CAR, WAITING FOR THE NEXT DAY SO THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHO TO CALL IN LA TO GET HELP.

THE COPS POOLED OUT THEIR MONEY AND GOT THEM INTO A MOTEL SIX.

THAT IS WHAT I LOOK AT IS WHAT THIS HOMELESS VOUCHER SHOULD BE FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

ANOTHER WOMAN WHO WAS IN HER SEVENTIES SHIVERING AT A PARK BENCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER, SHE THOUGHT THAT HER ARGUMENT WITH HER HUSBAND WAS GOING TO GET OUT OF CONTROL.

IT HADN'T REACHED THE LEVEL WHERE THE POLICE HAD TO BE CALLED, BUT SHE WAS SMART ENOUGH TO TAKE HERSELF OUT OF THE SITUATION AND FOUND HERSELF SITTING AT A PARK BENCH, SHIVERING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITH I WOULD JUST SAY SHE'S NOT STREETWISE.

SHE'S PROBABLY IN DANGER AND HORRIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE.

WHEN WE CALL SOME OF THE DIFFERENT SHELTERS OR WOMEN'S RESOURCE CENTER SOMETIMES THEY'RE FULL, AND IN THIS CASE, THE COPS POOLED THEIR MONEY AND FOUND HER A HOTEL ROOM.

THIS IS WHAT I LOOK AT FOR WHAT THAT ONE NIGHT VOUCHER PROGRAM SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR.

NOW, IF THE POLICE OFFICERS CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE AS A TOOL TO GET HOMELESS OFF THE STREETS.

I'M OK WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT'S WATCHED VERY CLOSELY AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO NOT GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.

SO I WILL SUPPORT OPTION NUMBER ONE.

BUT THESE ARE MY CONCERNS AND THIS IS WHAT I LOOK AT IS WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT IS.

WE'RE NOT JUST THROWING ONE NIGHT HOTEL ROOMS AT HOMELESS PEOPLE.

OPTION NUMBER TWO IS THE HYLAND INN.

THE REASON I LIKE THAT AND WANT TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER DECLARATION TO GET

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WE'RE NOT SPREADING PEOPLE ALL OVER.

WE CAN HAVE ON SITE SECURITY WHEN WE SPREAD THEM ALL THROUGH THE CITY WE DON'T HAVE ONSITE SECURITY.

AT THIS LOCATION THEY'LL BE ON SITE SOCIAL WORKERS, NOT A CHECK IN ONCE A WEEK.

HYLAND INN AS STAFF SAID, DID NOT CREATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA OF HAVING IT CONCENTRATED AND EVERYBODY IN ONE PLACE AND SERVICES ALL IN ONE PLACE AND NOT TRYING TO HUNT THEM DOWN AT THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGH THE CITY, WHICH SO ON THAT ONE, I'M A YES.

ON NUMBER THREE FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS, NO SUPERVISION.

THEY'RE SPREAD OUT.

WE'RE NOT KEEPING TRACK OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONCE A WEEK OR HOWEVER OFTEN.

SO I'M A NO ON NUMBER THREE.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON NUMBER FOUR LA POSADA IS EXPERTS AT WHAT THEY DO.

I THINK THEY'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.

I THINK IT'S BEEN PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST INVESTMENTS THE CITY HAS MADE.

AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING MORE INVESTMENTS IN LA POSADA FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO.

THEY ARE NOT HOUSING PEOPLE.

THEY ARE STRICT AND YOU CAN'T SHOW UP THERE WITH EVEN ALCOHOL ON YOUR BREATH, AND THEY WORK HARD AT GETTING PEOPLE PLACED INTO JOBS OR HOMES.

AND I'VE JUST BEEN SO IMPRESSED AND I TELL A STORY AND I'M GOING TO BORE YOU WITH IT FOR JUST A MOMENT.

YEARS AGO, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LA POSADA, A FRIEND OF MINE WHO HAS A CONTRACTING BUSINESS, LOANED ME HER CONTRACTOR TO DO SOME HANDYMAN WORK AT MY HOUSE, AND I WAS AT A COUNCIL MEETING DOWNTOWN AND THIS HANDYMAN WAS IN THE HOUSE.

MY WIFE WAS WATCHING THE COUNCIL MEETING AND HE WAS STANDING BEHIND HER AND HE SAID, THAT'S KEITH, AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT LA POSADA.

AND HE TOLD THE STORY TO HER THAT HE IS NOW A SUCCESSFUL CONTRACTOR, AND HE STARTED OUT SLEEPING IN THE BUSHES IN ENCINITAS UNTIL HE FOUND LA POSADA.

LA POSADA HE CREDITS WITH GETTING HIM TO THE LEVEL HE WAS.

BY THE TIME HE MADE IT TO MY HOUSE AS A HANDY MAN HE WAS HE HAD A WIFE, TWO KIDS, A HOUSE THAT HE RENTED IN OCEANSIDE.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE STORY THAT LA POSADA.

I'M COMPLETELY CONVINCED THEY DO A GREAT JOB, AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT.

FOR THE SAME REASON AS I HAD FOR NOT SPREADING OUT THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT HOTELS, AMENDING ZONING AND PUTTING HOMELESS SHELTERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THEN WE SPREAD OUT OUR RESOURCES TOO THIN AND WE CAN'T MONITOR THEM.

WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE SECURITY, WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE SERVICES.

SO ON NUMBER FIVE, I'M A NO.

PROJECT HOMEKEY, I STILL DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT.

I HAVE CRITICS WHO SAY IT'S NOT GOOD.

I HAVE STAFF MEMBERS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY IT'S WONDERFUL, BUT IT'S A SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT HAS A TRACK RECORD.

PLUS, THEY COME WITH MONEY, AND THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT.

SO I'M A YES ON NUMBER SIX.

CAMPING OPTIONS.

I THINK IT'S 1B EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTING.

FOR SOME REASON, I WROTE CAMPING OPTION NUMBER TWO, NEW NUMBER TWO, BUT I CORRECT ME IF I THINK IT'S BOTH THE SAME THING, THEN IF IT IS, THAT'S THE ONE I SUPPORT.

AND NOW I'M DONE ON MY SOAPBOX.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKBURN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS ACTUALLY WAS 1C AND COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE SPOKEN SO FAR HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF 1B.

OK, I WROTE DOWN, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE NEW NUMBER TWO, WHICH ONE OF MY SUPPORTING.

THAT WOULD BE THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN 1B OR I'M SORRY, 1C IN 1 C.

OK, ONE C IS WHAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF, BUT I'LL GO ALONG WITH 1B IF THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS.

THANK YOU.

OK, THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

I'M JUST GOING TO BE REALLY BRIEF AND JUST CUT RIGHT TO THE CHASE.

I SUPPORT NUMBER ONE.

I SUPPORT NUMBER FOUR AND I SUPPORT NINE 1B.

SO AS I LOOK AT IT, THERE'S FIVE OF US THAT SUPPORT ONE.

MR. BLACKBURN, DID YOU SAY NUMBER 2.

I SUPPORT NUMBER TWO.

SO THERE'S ONE FOR NUMBER TWO IF I COUNTED, RIGHT? THERE'S TWO NUMBER THREE'S.

EVERYBODY SUPPORTED NUMBER FOUR.

TWO SUPPORTED NUMBER FIVE.

FOUR SUPPORTED NUMBER SIX.

AND ALL FIVE OF US SUPPORTED 9 1B.

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I ACTUALLY HAD FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SUPPORT 1B ONE COUNCIL MEMBER PREFER 1C? OH, I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT MR. BLACKBURN.

I SAID I WAS WILLING TO GO ALONG, SO CHANGE ME TO 1B.

OK.

IS A COUNT BY THE MAYOR SUFFICIENT OR DO WE NEED TO DO A VOTE ON EACH ONE? AND A VOTE.

AND AS TO THE OTHERS, I BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION BY VOTE.

SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS, BECAUSE I THINK NUMBER NINE IS THE EASIEST? LET'S INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND SUPPORT THAT ONE.

IF WE COULD GET A MOTION ON THAT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND VOTE INDIVIDUALLY ON ONE THROUGH SIX.

IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU CITY CLERK? YES, MAYOR.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TITLE THE ORDINANCE.

CITY ATTORNEY, THAT'S GOOD.

YES.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TITLE THE ORDINANCE NOW? YES, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING TITLE EIGHT OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE BY AMENDING CHAPTER EIGHT POINT THREE SIX AND SECTIONS EIGHT POINT TWO, EIGHT ZERO FIVE AND EIGHT POINT FOUR FOUR ZERO FOUR ZERO.

I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO CORRECT MYSELF AMENDING CHAPTER 8.36 AND SECTIONS 8.28.050 AND 8.44.040 AND BY ADDING CHAPTERS EIGHT POINT THREE FOUR AND EIGHT POINT THREE EIGHT TO ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS.

MY MOTION IS THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE JUST RECITED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

AND THAT WOULD BE 1B IF I NEED TO ADD THAT.

OK WITH THAT, COULD THE CLERK PLEASE CALL ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

AYE.

SO ITEM 9 ONE B PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

GOING BACK TO AGENDA ITEM EIGHT WE'LL TAKE IT BY NUMBER.

FIRST ONE IS NUMBER ONE.

OK.

CLERK, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

AYE.

ITEM ONE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

OH SORRY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AS WE GET INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THREE AND MOTIONS ARE MADE, I'D LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST DISCUSS THE MOTION AFTER IT'S MADE BEFORE WE GO RIGHT INTO A VOTE.

YES.

OK.

ITEM TWO.

NUMBER TWO.

IT DIES FOR LACK OF SECOND.

ITEM THREE, I'M A NO ON THAT, SO SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO MAKE THE MOTION.

I MOVE TO SUPPORT OPTION NUMBER THREE.

I SECOND.

OK, AND MR. NORBY, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.

YOU'RE ON MUTE, SIR.

IT HELPS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IF YOU'RE NOT MUTED, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

OF ALL OF THEM ITEM NUMBER THREE WAS THE ONE WAS KIND OF MY WEAKEST AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TO A THIRD VOTE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS IS OPTION NUMBER ONE.

AND IF THIS IS JUST PURE TIMING.

SO LIKE OPTION NUMBER TWO AND OPTION NUMBER THREE, TAKE MULTIPLE MONTHS TO GET GOING.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT OPTION ONE.

BUT IF WE ROLL OUT OPTION ONE AND WE'RE HAVING SUCCESS WITH THAT, CAN WE CONTINUE THAT? IT'S KIND OF IT'S A PILOT PROJECT SO WE CAN GO ON MULTIPLE TIMES AS WE FIGURE OUT OTHER STRATEGIES.

THAT'S I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.

I'M SEEING SOME HEADS NOD.

AND THEN IF WE ROLL OUT OPTION ONE AND IT'S PROBLEMATIC AND WE'RE JUST NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM, CAN WE BRING OPTION NUMBER TWO AND THREE BACK AT A LATER DATE BASED UPON DEMONSTRATED ISSUES THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON ITEM ONE.

WE DO CONSIDER IT A PILOT AND WE WOULD BE ANALYZING THE PROGRAM AND COLLECTING DATA AND REPORTING OUT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT IF OUR EXPERIENCE WITH OPTION ONE IS NON SATISFACTORY AND WE'RE JUST

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IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO BRING ITEM NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER THREE BACK AGAIN BASED UPON, HEY, THIS ISN'T WORKING, LET'S TRY SOMETHING ELSE.

AND MR. NORBY RESPECTFULLY, I THINK AT THE CONVERSATION AT THE QUARTERLY MEETING, IF WE WERE TO DETERMINE IT WASN'T WORKING, THAT THAT COULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CONVERSATION AT THAT TIME UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY OR SOMEONE WOULD TELL ME DIFFERENTLY.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THAT AND THEN WHAT THE OPTIONS WOULD BE AT THAT TIME TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO I'M GOING TO SEEING THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING A THIRD AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OPTION ONE IF WE NEED TO TIME WISE OR REVISIT THIS BASED UPON NEED, I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY SUPPORT OF OPTION THREE AT THIS TIME.

SO THERE'S IF THEN THERE'S OPTION THREE, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO SECOND, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THEN.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THAT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

OPTION FOUR.

MOVE OPTION NUMBER FOUR.

SECOND.

CALL ROLL, PLEASE.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

AYE.

SO OPTION FOUR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING TO OPTION FIVE.

AND IF I MIGHT ADD ON FIVE, I MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM IN OUR HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT PROGRAM, JUST NOT THE EXPANSION OF THAT [INAUDIBLE] RELATED TO THIS.

SO IF, IN FACT, THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR FIVE EXPANDING FIVE.

BUT DON'T BE SURPRISED THAT WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING CHANGES TO OUR ZONING THAT RELATE TO HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE ARE COMMITTED, AS IS THE COUNCIL IN SUPPORTING THE HOUSING ELEMENT.

BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT THROUGH HCD ALSO.

SO AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AND COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, YOU'RE THE TWO THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS DO ONE OF YOU.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON IT, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY I THINK IT'S THE PLANNING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TO FIND BETTER SOLUTIONS IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE'RE EVER PRESENTED WITH THIS AGAIN, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF BUILDING EVERYTHING WE ZONED FOR.

I MEAN, EVERY ZONE HAS ALLOWABLE USES THAT ARE EXTENSIVE, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD PUT US IN BETTER POSITION IN FUTURE COUNCILS AND BETTER POSITION IF WE INCLUDE THIS REVIEW OF TRYING TO FIND ACCEPTABLE ZONES FOR HOMELESS.

SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.

IS THERE A SECOND? YEAH, I'M A SECOND.

CALL ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

NO.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

NO.

MAYOR HALL.

NO.

SO IT DOES NOT PASS ON A TWO TO THREE VOTE.

ITEM SIX.

MOVE ITEM SIX.

SECOND.

PLEASE CALL ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

AYE.

MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN.

AYE.

MAYOR HALL.

NO.

SO THAT PASSES 4 1, SO WE.

SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE NINE, SO NINE IS FINISHED.

SO AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

[LAUGHTER] I KIND OF WAVED MY HAND SO YOU WOULD SEE ME.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE RECEIVE THOSE UPDATES MAYBE EVEN MORE OFTEN THAN QUARTERLY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MY COLLEAGUES FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT WE JUST AUTHORIZE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS.

I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT BUDGET, PROBABLY THAN WHAT WE AUTHORIZED THE LAST TIME.

I'D LOVE TO SEE AN UPDATED YOU KNOW, WE HAD AUTHORIZED THE FUNDS FOR THE HOTEL MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO THAT NUMBER ONE.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO KIND OF SEE THE UPDATED KIND OF PLAN AND THEN TO HAVE MORE REGULAR UPDATES, LIKE A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE DIDN'T

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SO JUST KIND OF BEING UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE BECAUSE WE DO GET CONTACTED A LOT BY THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THEM, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE REALLY INFORMED ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING SO THAT WE CAN SHARE AND POINT PEOPLE TO COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE THE UPDATES WERE GIVEN.

SO I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MY COLLEAGUES FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS IS SUCH A PRIORITY ISSUE.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO WAIT AND HAVE AN UPDATE EVERY THREE MONTHS WHEN IF WE COULD DO IT MORE OFTEN, IT WOULD BE GREAT.

I THINK BEING RESPECTFUL OF TIME AND STAFF'S TIME AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.

I THINK QUARTERLY TO ME IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT.

I MEAN, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTS MORE THAN THAT, THEN SO BE IT.

BUT.

MAYOR COMFORTABLE.

MAYOR, IF I MIGHT ADD.

SO THE GOAL OF THE COUNCIL SET CALLED FOR QUARTERLY UPDATES ON THE GOAL, AND WE'RE PLANNING TO DELIVER THAT FIRST UPDATE EITHER THE END OF OCTOBER, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH A MONTHLY CITY COUNCIL MEMO ON ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE HOT TEAM AND HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT WORK THAT WE'VE DONE TOWARDS HOMELESSNESS.

SO WE ARE PROVIDING INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND THE GOAL CALLS FOR AN ITEM ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA UPDATE FOR ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THAT THEY NEED IT MORE OFTEN THAN THAT? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY NODDING THEIR HEAD, YES, SO.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

I MEAN, I EXPRESS MY INTEREST, AND LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF IT IS DRIVEN BY NOT HAVING HEARD ANYTHING FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL NOW.

SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE MEMOS AND READING THOSE AS WELL AS THE QUARTERLY UPDATES.

THANK YOU.

OK, MOVING IT ALONG TO ITEM 10 GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN, UPDATE ADVISORY

[10. GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE CHARTER]

MR. CHADWICK INTRODUCTIONS.

YES SIR.

AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR SENIOR PLANNER, JENNIFER JESSER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

WELL.

SORRY, MY COMPUTER IS NOT ADVANCING.

IT JUST DID ADVANCE, JENNIFER.

OK, THANK YOU.

TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT FORMING AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO HELP THE CITY UPDATE ITS GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN.

OUR PRESENTATION WILL PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY'S CURRENT GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE CITY COUNCIL GOAL TO FORM A COMMITTEE TO UPDATE THE PLAN.

WE WILL ALSO DESCRIBE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED APPROACH TO THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE AND COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP OPTIONS.

AND LASTLY, WE WILL SUMMARIZE WITH THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS.

THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM IS CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CHARTER FOR THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT UPDATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

APPROVING THE RECOMMENDED COMMITTEE CHARTER IS A FIRST STEP IN IMPLEMENTING ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOALS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE TO CREATE A NEW PLAN TO MANAGE GROWTH IN CARLSBAD IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS AN EXCELLENT QUALITY OF LIFE.

ON MAY 4TH OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED A RESOLUTION DIRECTING STAFF TO INITIATE A PROCESS TO FORM AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

TO IDENTIFY THE KEY ELEMENTS OF A NEW PLAN TO MANAGE GROWTH AND MAINTAIN EXCELLENT QUALITY OF LIFE IN CARLSBAD.

THE COUNCIL ALSO DIRECTED STAFF TO RETURN TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THE COMMITTEE'S FORMATION PROCESS, POTENTIAL REPRESENTATION, ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

THE COMMITTEE'S MISSION STATEMENT AND PRINCIPLES OF PARTICIPATION.

AND WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL.

AND BEFORE I DESCRIBE THE RECOMMENDED COMMITTEE STRUCTURE, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE CITY'S CURRENT GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THE PLAN WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1986 AND CONSISTS OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.

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AND VOTER APPROVED PROPOSITION E.

THE PLAN LIMITS THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT CAN BE BUILT IN THE CITY AND REQUIRES ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES TO BE PROVIDED CONCURRENT WITH AND FUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT.

THE PLAN ALSO IDENTIFIES PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR 11 PUBLIC FACILITIES.

SUCH AS PARKS, OPEN SPACE, CIRCULATION AND FIRE SAFETY SERVICES.

THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN PROVIDING A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE IN CARLSBAD BY MANAGING THE IMPACTS OF NEW DEVELOPMENT ON PUBLIC FACILITIES AND BY LIMITING RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.

THE COMMITTEE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF DEVELOPING A NEW PLAN AND IS A CRITICAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY'S PARTICIPATION IN THAT PLAN.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PRIMARY REASONS WHY THE COUNCIL ESTABLISHED A GOAL TO FORM A COMMITTEE TO HELP UPDATE THE CITY'S GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN.

ONE REASON IS THAT THE CITY IS ABOUT 90 PERCENT BUILT OUT.

AND BASED ON AND THAT BUILT OUT PERCENTAGE IS BASED ON THE CITY'S CURRENT GENERAL PLAN PLANNED LAND USES.

THE CURRENT GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN MANAGES THE IMPACTS OF NEW DEVELOPMENT ON PUBLIC FACILITIES AND IS THEREFORE RELEVANT TO THE REMAINING 10 PERCENT OF THE CITY WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR.

HOWEVER, A NEW PLAN IS NEEDED THAT FOCUSES ON MAINTAINING AND ENHANCING QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

ANOTHER REASON TO UPDATE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN IS THAT DUE TO RECENT STATE HOUSING LAWS, THE CITY CAN NO LONGER ENFORCE THE PART OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF HOUSES IN CARLSBAD.

ON APRIL 6TH OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED A RESOLUTION THAT FOUND THE CITY'S HOUSING CAPS IN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN ARE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW AND ARE UNENFORCEABLE.

IT IS NOW NECESSARY TO CREATE A NEW PLAN THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE HOUSING LAW TO AVOID POTENTIAL STATE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES AND PENALTIES.

ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, I WILL SUMMARIZE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE COMMITTEE'S MISSION AND MEMBERSHIP.

THE RECOMMENDED COMMITTEE STRUCTURE IS BASED ON THE CITY'S PAST MODELS OF SUCCESSFUL CITIZEN COMMITTEES, SUCH AS THE 2015 GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND THE RECENT HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE.

THE PROPOSED COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP IS INTENDED TO RESULT IN A DIVERSE AND ENGAGING COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON HOW BEST TO MANAGE GROWTH IN CARLSBAD IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS THE CITY'S EXCELLENT QUALITY OF LIFE AND ENSURES COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

THE COMMITTEE CHARTER IDENTIFIES THE COMMITTEE'S MISSION, WHICH IS TO PROMOTE BALANCED CONSIDERATION OF A RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES ON ISSUES AFFECTING THE FUTURE GROWTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN CARLSBAD.

AND TO IDENTIFY THE KEY ELEMENTS OF A NEW PLAN TO MANAGE GROWTH IN CARLSBAD.

TO MAINTAIN AN EXCELLENT QUALITY OF LIFE WHILE ALSO COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW.

TO ENSURE A BALANCED REPRESENTATION OF COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMITTEE BE COMPRISED OF CARLSBAD RESIDENTS WITH 15 PRIMARY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND 15 ALTERNATE MEMBERS.

THE CITY'S EXISTING COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS ADDRESS TOPICS THAT AFFECT QUALITY OF LIFE, THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT EACH COMMISSION AND BOARD NOMINATE ONE PRIMARY AND ONE ALTERNATE COMMITTEE MEMBER.

IN ADDITION, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD NOMINATE ONE PRIMARY AND ONE ALTERNATE COMMITTEE MEMBER FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS.

AND THE MAYOR WOULD RECOMMEND TWO PRIMARY AND TWO ALTERNATE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AT LARGE MEMBERS FOR THE COMMITTEE.

THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD AS A WHOLE THEN MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ALL COMMITTEE MEMBER RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO MODIFY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE

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THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF REPORT OUTLINES VARIOUS OPTIONS FOR VARIOUS FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL.

THE REPORT OUTLINES THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH OPTION.

THE OPTIONS INCLUDE FORMING A COMMITTEE WITH FEWER MEMBERS OR MORE MEMBERS.

UH, TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE NUMBER OF ALTERNATE MEMBERS.

OR THE COUNCIL COULD MODIFY THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE, SUCH AS FEWER COMMISSION MEMBERS.

THERE ARE FEWER MEMBERS FROM THE CITY'S COMMISSION AND BOARDS, CHOOSING COMMITTEE MEMBERS BASED ON CITY QUADRANTS INSTEAD OF COUNCIL DISTRICTS OR INCLUDING RESIDENTS THAT REPRESENT ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND STAFF WOULD WELCOME ANY DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL COULD OFFER IN THAT REGARD.

NOW, FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE COMMITTEE, CHARTER STAFF WILL INITIATE SOLICITATION OF COMMITTEE MEMBER APPLICATIONS.

STAFF WILL ALSO IS ALSO CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE PROCESS TO REQUEST CONSULTANT PROPOSALS TO ASSIST THE CITY WITH THE COMMITTEE'S WORK.

AND IN DECEMBER, WE ANTICIPATE RETURNING TO THE COUNCIL WITH A LIST OF COMMITTEE MEMBER CANDIDATES FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMITTEE AND A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.

NOW, IN CONCLUSION, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CHARTER FOR THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT UPDATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, DR. BHAT-PATEL.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW WHEN WE'VE HAD GROWTH MANAGEMENT CONVERSATIONS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMITTEE AND I KNOW THAT ONE THING THAT I KNOW I HAD MENTIONED WAS WITH REGARDS TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A BROAD SPECTRUM OF FOLKS FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE REPRESENTED.

AND SO I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS TO HEAR BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND OPTIONS ONE AND FOUR SEEM INTERESTING.

I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WITH REGARDS TO OPTION ONE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY FORMED BASED ON THE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WE HAVE AND THEN WHAT THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS CHOOSE.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE AT-LARGE FOLKS.

I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT CONSIDERATIONS ARE BEING GIVEN TO ENSURING THAT DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THAT COMPOSITION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GIVING AUTONOMY TO EACH COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE THAT INDIVIDUAL.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LET'S JUST SAY A DIFFERENT AGE GROUP OR A DIFFERENT GENDER WOULD BE REPRESENTED ALL ACROSS THE BOARD IN THOSE IN THAT COMPOSITION.

IS THAT ACCURATE? COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY SORT OF DEMOGRAPHIC OR AGE CRITERIA THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INCLUDED.

HOWEVER, IT WOULD ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BALANCE HAVING THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE COMMITTEE AND DEDICATING TIME TO THE ONE YEAR PROCESS.

YEAH, OF COURSE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, I THINK, OF COURSE, JUST LIKE THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT MAKE UP OUR COMMUNITY.

OF COURSE WE HAVE AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT CAN BE CHALLENGING FOR SOMEBODY TO MAYBE COMMIT THE ONE YEAR.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT MAY BE PARENTS OF YOUNG CHILDREN OR, ET CETERA, THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY GET REPRESENTED IF WE ONLY GO TOWARDS LOOKING AT OUR COMMISSIONS OR WHATEVER ELSE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT BECAUSE I DO THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY LARGE CONSTITUENCY THAT HAS CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, FOR INSTANCE.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TO ME IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DEMOGRAPHIC IS ALSO

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SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS A CONSIDERATION AS MY COLLEAGUES ARE THINKING ABOUT IT FOR WHETHER WHICHEVER OPTION YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE, WHETHER IT'S ETHNICITY, DEMOGRAPHICS OR JUST EVEN DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE, WHETHER IT'S FOLKS THAT ARE RETIRED OR PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST STARTING WORK OR HAVE KIDS.

I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING IN A WAY THAT PLANS FOR EVERYONE IN OUR CONSTITUENCY.

SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU.

OK, THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO THROW OUT AND JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S CLARITY IS THERE ISN'T A DROP DEAD DATE OF ONE YEAR TO FINISH THIS PROJECT.

IN THE PAST, I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE WATCHED EVERYTHING FROM THE COMMITTEE TO STEADY GROWTH IN 1985 TO ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT WERE DISCUSSED AND THEN THE DEPTH OF WHAT WE NEED TO DIVE INTO HERE.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN COMPLETE IT WITH WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

IN IN A YEAR, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A YOU KNOW, A HARD NUMBER.

MAYOR, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH OVER THAT YEAR PERIOD, IT'S NOT THE NEW PLAN, IT'S MORE OF INPUT ONTO WHAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN A NEW PLAN.

BUT OF COURSE, IF THAT EVEN THAT WORK EFFORT TAKES LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO EXTEND THAT PERIOD.

I JUST WANT AND I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE THE SITUATION.

AND I MEAN, I LIVED THROUGH GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND IT'S WHAT SEPARATED THE CITY OF CARLSBAD FROM ANY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE.

AND AT ONE TIME, I MEAN, WE WERE LOOKED AT AS ONE OF THE TOP THREE CITIES, YOU KNOW, IN THE STATE ABOUT HOW WE DEALT WITH GROWTH FROM ALL THE WAY, FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO SAFETY.

AND SO THE COMMITTEE, IN ORDER TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS AND GET THEIR ARMS AROUND, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SOME KNOWLEDGE OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, I MEAN, WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE STATE, YOU KNOW, THAT NO LONGER ALLOWS US TO USE SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE FACILITIES PLAN.

PART OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS HOW DO WE PAY FOR THE FUTURE? AND SO I MEAN, ALL THOSE TOPICS NEED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION FROM THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THEY FEEL IS IS THE NEED.

AND IN THE PAST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN OUR PARTNERS IN THIS SINCE THE BEGINNING.

I MEAN, THEY FINANCED PROBABLY 60 TO 80 PERCENT OF THE CITY.

AND GOING FORWARD, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME PARTNERSHIP OR NOT.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY QUICK THOUGHTS AS WE GO INTO THIS AND AND I WANT TO JUST ECHO SOME OF WHAT DR.

BHAT-PATEL SAID.

I MEAN, THIS PLAN IS NOT FOR ME AND NOT FOR MANY OF US WHO WERE ON, YOU KNOW, SITTING HERE TONIGHT, BUT IT'S REALLY FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE HOUSING FOR THEM.

THERE IS GOING TO BE JOBS FOR THEM AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THEM.

SO, AND I'M SURE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE THINKING JUST AS YOU DOCTOR, WHAT IS THE RIGHT MAKEUP TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THOUGHTS ARE FULLY VETTED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

SO, AND I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION ONE THING.

PART OF THIS WAS MANY YEARS AGO, IT WAS SAID ON THE DAIS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK PERHAPS MY CHILDREN WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN CARLSBAD WHEN THEY GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE BECAUSE IT WON'T BE AFFORDABLE ENOUGH.

AND I'M GOING BACK OVER 20 YEARS.

AND SO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS TODAY.

I MEAN, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE HAVE AFFORDABILITY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.

SO, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE CHARGE OF THE OF THIS BOARD.

SO YES, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, I HEAR YOU.

I DO HAVE A DAUGHTER THAT GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO AFFORD A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE.

SO AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

SO AS FOR THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE GET GOOD REPRESENTATION.

KIND OF THE DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION LENS IS WHAT I'M THINKING OF BECAUSE OUR COMMISSIONS TEND TO BE OLDER AND IT'S THE AGE THING IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT.

THEY AREN'T ALWAYS ALL ACROSS THE CITY, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PICKED BY THAT COMMISSION ARE GOING TO COME FROM ALL OVER.

AS COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL MENTIONED, I HAD ATTENDED THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES CONFERENCE LAST WEEK AND LEARNED ABOUT SOME WAYS THAT WE COULD CREATE VERY

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BUT THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AND THEY'RE HUGE.

THERE'S LIKE 50 OF THEM AND IT'S LIKE THIS BIG PROCESS.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO WITHOUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND INVESTMENT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO BRING IT UP NOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT OUR THERE ARE WAYS, MAYBE A HYBRID WAY OR SOME WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HAVING ENSURING THAT WE REACH ALL THE DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE CITY REGION DEEP TO NEW PEOPLE TO AND YOUNGER PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR LONGER.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO IT.

I HATE BRINGING UP A PROBLEM WITHOUT HAVING A SOLUTION TO OFFER.

THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN THINK OF WOULD BE TO TO ADD MORE TO TO OUR PICKS, TO OUR COUNCIL PICKS AND THEN TO TO MAKE IT INCUMBENT UPON US TO FIND THOSE DIVERSE APPOINTEES FROM OUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

SO THAT WAY, WE'VE GOT A GEOGRAPHIC DISPERSION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A CHARGE FROM US TO LOOK FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS IN OUR DISTRICTS THAT WE COULD APPOINT TO THIS.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN THINK OF.

I'M OPEN TO OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A NICE, DIVERSE GROUP.

CAN I ASK MR. BARBIERI, OR MAYBE SOMEBODY HELP ME REMEMBER BACK, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT WE HAD IN EC THREE, OR PERHAPS IT WAS THE THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WE HAD.

THEN WE HAVE SOME HIGH SCHOOL OR KIDS PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

YES, WE DID.

EC THREE WAS A 19 MEMBER COMMITTEE GENERALLY FORMED OR ARRANGED THE SAME WAY AS WE'RE RECOMMENDING CARE.

REPRESENTATIVES FROM COMMISSIONS AT THAT TIME, IT WAS QUADRANTS.

WE ALSO HAD ALTERNATES.

WE DID HAVE A STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE AND AN ALTERNATE.

IT WENT ON FOR, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THOSE ARE SENIOR SENIORS IN HIGH SCHOOL IF IT GOES LONGER THAN THEIR SENIOR YEAR.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEED FOR A REPLACEMENT.

AND SO CONTINUATION OF PARTICIPATION IF IT RUNS LONGER THAN A SCHOOL YEAR WAS A CHALLENGE DURING EC THREE, AS WELL AS WAS SOMETIMES ATTENDANCE.

THEY HAVE OTHER, OTHER PRIORITIES AT TIMES, BUT YES, WE DID HAVE A STUDENT COMPONENT REPRESENTATION.

A DOCTOR, I THINK YOU PUT YOUR HAND UP THERE, THEN I KIND OF JUMPED IN.

YEAH, NO WORRIES.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WANTING TO SEE MORE FOLKS FROM COUNCIL DISTRICTS WAS DID I UNDERSTAND THAT APPROPRIATELY? LIKE, WERE YOU THINKING THAT EACH ONE OF US WOULD PICK MORE THAN JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL? RIGHT NOW, IT'S ONE PLUS ALTERNATE, RIGHT? YEAH.

CORRECT, YEAH.

SO MAYBE EVEN FOR THE FOUR AT-LARGE RESIDENTS, MAYBE THOSE COULD BE TWO RESIDENTS PLUS AN ALTERNATE.

AND THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD SAY IS, IS NOW THE WAY OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE MADE UP ARE ALL PEOPLE THAT EACH OF US HAVE PICKED.

UM, SO I MEAN, IT'S A BROAD ARRAY OF PEOPLE, IT WASN'T JUST THE WASN'T JUST MYSELF PICKING THE PEOPLE ON THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT THOSE PEOPLE REPRESENT ALL FOUR DISTRICTS BECAUSE EACH OF US HAVE HAD THE CHANCE EXCEPT FOR MR. NORBY TO TRY AND APPOINT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE.

SO.

YES, DR.

YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY, I GUESS, IF LET'S JUST SAY IF WE DID WANT TO GO WITH OPTION ONE BECAUSE IT MAKES IT POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE FOLKS FROM THE DIFFERENT POSITIONS, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ALREADY ARE INVOLVED.

NO OF THE TIME COMMITMENT, ET CETERA.

AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS? AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH AND SEE LIKE WHEN WHENEVER WE DO LIKE SURVEYS AND SUCH AND RESEARCH LIKE AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POPULATION, YOU TRY TO GET FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY LIKE GOING TO BE AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POPULATION.

AND FOR ME, LIKE WHEN I SEE OUR COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY REALLY MOTIVATED TO GET INVOLVED AND ARE CIVICALLY ENGAGED.

AND I GET THAT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE WITH THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL, THAT WE MIGHT JUST GET PEOPLE THAT ARE EXTREMELY MOTIVATED AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE GOING TO GET.

I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN CAST A WIDER NET TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE

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AND SO THAT'S ONE THOUGHT.

BUT THEN THE OTHER PIECE I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US? LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY, IF WE'RE EMPOWERING THE COMMISSIONS TO PICK WHOEVER THEIR MEMBER IS GOING TO BE, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE SOME PARAMETERS AROUND LIKE, HEY, TRY TO PICK, YOU KNOW, X PERSON OR Y PERSON? OR DO THEY JUST PICK WHOEVER? I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW AGAIN WE CAN DIVERSIFY IT SO THAT WE DON'T END UP HAVING BASICALLY THE SAME, ALMOST SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHIC JUST REPRESENTED FROM ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONS.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

AND DOCTOR KEEP IN MIND, THESE ARE ALL BROWN ACT MEETINGS.

SO I MEAN, THE PUBLIC WILL BE INVITED AND CAN PARTICIPATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

ALSO, EACH OF THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS REALLY REPRESENT QUITE A BIT, WHETHER IT'S MOBILITY OR PLANNING.

SO THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE DEPTH OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND WHAT THAT MEANS.

SO I MEAN, THEY HAVE SOME BASIC EDUCATION AND KNOWLEDGE OF THAT WHERE SOMEBODY COMING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY TO TRY AND GET THEM UP TO THE SAME SPEED AS YOUR COMMISSIONERS SO THEY REALLY CAN DIVE INTO SOME OF THE DEPTH WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING AND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME CONSUMING.

BUT I MEAN, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS LIMIT ANYBODY FROM PARTICIPATING IN THESE MEETINGS AND BE ABLE TO GIVE INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

SO.

SURE, YEAH AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I DON'T THINK I THINK WE'RE SAYING MAYBE THE SAME THING THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE COMMISSION, I MENTIONED THE SAME THING THAT THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BE MORE PLUGGED IN, HAVE MORE KNOWHOW ON HOW TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OR WHATEVER ELSE IS COMING BEFORE THEM.

MY QUESTION WAS MORE AROUND FOR OUR STAFF WAS MORE AROUND, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME PARAMETERS AROUND, HEY, THIS DEMOGRAPHIC, YES, WE CAN CHOOSE OUR OWN INDIVIDUALS WITH THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO EACH DISTRICT.

AND SO IT'S ONE PERSON PER DISTRICT IN THIS OPTION ONE.

BUT WITH OUR COMMISSIONS, OBVIOUSLY THE EACH COMMISSION GETS TO CHOOSE SOMEONE.

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR US TO HAVE SOME DIVERSITY AMONG THOSE COMMISSION MEMBERS? OR LET'S JUST SAY, IF EVERYONE JUST CHOOSES SOMEBODY, IF THE DEMOGRAPHIC IS VERY SIMILAR, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO GET SOME DIVERSITY IN THE COMMISSION MEMBER MAKEUP THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS COMMITTEE.

COUNCIL MEMBER I'M I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN, FROM A DIVERSITY PERSPECTIVE, DO, BUT THEN THERE ARE ALSO OTHER THINGS THAT WERE PRECLUDED BY MY LAW FROM DOING SO.

SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF BRING IN THE CITY ATTORNEY REAL QUICK TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO KIND OF.

[INAUDIBLE] DEFINE AREAS THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO ENGAGE IN.

AND SO THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE IS THERE ARE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS THAT DO PREVENT US FROM MAKING PREFERENCES IN CERTAIN REGARDS.

AND SO NOT EXACTLY.

I WAS LISTENING TO YOU CAREFULLY.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THE ENTIRETY OF THE DIVERSITY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT IF WE WERE TO CREEP INTO ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE WE WOULD BE AT LEAST APPEARING TO OFFER PREFERENCE, THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.

SURE, NO I'M NOT SAYING TO OFFER PREFERENCE, AND I THINK IF I'M GOING TO BE EXTREMELY CLEAR, I CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT ALSO.

BUT BASICALLY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT I MEAN, WE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE POPULATION THAT IS ON OUR COMMITTEE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE FROM ALL DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE.

AND SURE, MAYBE WE WILL HAVE THAT WHEN OUR COMMISSIONERS CHOOSE PEOPLE.

BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME VOICE AND JUST SAYING, HEY, LIKE WE WOULD, WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF WHEN YOU'RE CHOOSING THE FOLKS THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU THINK OF OR YOU THINK OF WHAT THE MAKEUP OF OUR COMMUNITY IS AND POTENTIALLY CHOOSE SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY NEED TO CHOOSE SOMEONE SPECIFICALLY FROM THIS DEMOGRAPHIC OR THIS PARTICULAR GENDER OR THIS PARTICULAR RACE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF OUR CONSTITUENCY AND THAT AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PLANNING, IT SOUNDED LIKE ALL OF US ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR OUR FUTURE.

AND SO TO ME, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT REFLECTED IN OUR

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SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE.

COMMISSIONER NORBY.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO I LIKE THE HISTORY PIECE OF IT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S WORKED IN THE PAST, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY.

NUMBER ONE, WE'RE KIND OF INTO DISTRICTS NOW THAT WE WEREN'T BACK THEN AND OTHER CHANGES THAT GO ON.

SO AS IT KIND OF A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF OUR HISTORY, THIS BODY WILL BE APPOINTING SIX MEMBERS WITH THE MAYOR HAVING TWO AND WITH WITH THE OTHER FOUR HAVING ONE.

AND THEN I THINK NINE COME FROM OUR COMMISSIONS.

AND I FIND THAT SO WE HAVE A 15 MEMBER BODY.

BUT I THINK TAKING IT UP TO A 19 MEMBER BODY, IT'S NOT UNWIELDY.

I WOULDN'T LIKE TO GO TO A TWENTY FIVE OR THIRTY OR FORTY, SOME OUTRAGEOUS NUMBER.

I THINK I CAN REMEMBER PROPERTY, PROPERTY AND OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN.

IT FELT LIKE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, 20ISH AND MAYBE 15 SHOW UP ON ANY PARTICULAR MEETING.

BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF FINDING OUT WHO OUR COMMITTEE PEOPLE WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR SELECTIONS INDEPENDENT.

EACH COMMITTEE MAKES THEIR SELECTION INDEPENDENTLY THAT WE THEN KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE AND WE KNOW WHAT THE SELECTION IS.

AND THEN THE FIVE OF US HAVE HAVE TWO VOTES BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND.

IF I HAVE ONE VOTE ON ONE PERSON, IT'S A DIFFERENT DECISION THAN IF I HAVE TWO VOTES IN TERMS OF WHO I PLACE ON THERE, AND I MAY GO IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS IN TERMS OF MY PICKS TO PUT ON THAT COMMITTEE BASED UPON WHAT I'M SEEING COMING OUT OF THE OF OUR EXISTING COMMITTEE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THAT IF WE GET THE NAMES FROM OUR COMMISSIONS FIRST AND WE LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHERE THERE ARE SOME GAPS, OR MAYBE WE COULD DO BETTER.

SPECIFICALLY, I'M THINKING YOUTH, ENVIRONMENTAL.

WE DON'T HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, WE DON'T HAVE A YOUTH COMMISSION AND SOME OTHER AREAS, AND WE HAVE MORE PICKS AS A BODY THAN IT WOULD BE OUR CHOICE IF WE WANTED TO PLUG SOME OF THE GAPS.

AS INDIVIDUALS, WE ARE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS IN TERMS OF BEING THE COUNCIL.

SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LESS.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT MY TEAM MEMBERS DON'T WORK THAT IS WAY TOO BIG.

TOO MANY PEOPLE COST TOO MUCH MONEY.

BUT I THINK THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PIVOT.

IT GIVES US EIGHT, I'M SORRY, TEN VOTES IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE WITH NINE MEMBERS COMING FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THAT WE CAN THEN INDIVIDUALLY CHOOSE HOW WE WANT TO USE THOSE TWO VOTES.

MR. BLACKBURN.

I'VE WORKED IN GROUPS AND I THINK OVER 15 STARTS TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT CUMBERSOME.

JUST THAT'S JUST MY INPUT.

WHETHER WE WAIT UNTIL THE COMMISSION MAKES THEIR DECISIONS AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHO THEY HAVE DONE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT I JUST THINK OVER 15 IS TOO MANY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA HAS HER HAND RAISED.

YES.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

I HEAR THAT VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKBURN THAT MORE THAN 15 BECOMES UNWIELDY AND I HAVE ALSO HAD TO WORK WITH TEAMS AND FACILITATE SESSIONS WITH WITH LARGE GROUPS AND EVEN TAUGHT [INAUDIBLE] COLLEGE RIGHT, THIRTY FIVE TO FORTY STUDENTS IN A CLASSROOM.

AND IT'S HARDER WHEN THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE.

AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S ALMOST A BALANCE OF GETTING A GREAT REPRESENTATION OF OUR STATE AND A GREAT PRODUCT IN THE END VERSUS THE EXTRA HARD WORK AND DIFFICULTY OF HAVING A LARGER GROUP.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED IN THAT SESSION I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT THAT WORKSHOP THAT I WENT TO AT THE CONFERENCE LAST WEEK.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW UNWIELDY LARGE GROUPS CAN BE, BUT THAT IT'S WORTH IT IN THE END, BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE YOU GETTING A GREAT WORK PRODUCT AND ENGAGING A WIDER, MORE DIVERSE REPRESENTATION OF YOUR COMMUNITY, WHICH ARE ALSO BUILDING TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THEY REALIZE THAT YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR INPUT? YOU REALLY CARE.

YOU'RE GOING THE EXTRA MILE AND MAKING THAT EXTRA EFFORT TO HAVE THIS WIDER REPRESENTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO US.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND GO WITH THE FLOW WITH YOU ALL.

BUT I WOULD I WOULD PUSH FOR THE THE BIGGER GROUP, EVEN IF IT IS A LITTLE

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IT'S NOT A TOKEN BLESSING THAT THEY'RE MAKING ON SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS CREATING.

IT REALLY IS TRUE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

THE ONLY THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE IS IT'S JUST AS WE'VE TALKED THIS THROUGH.

IF AND WHAT I'M UNDER, IF I HEAR MR NORBY, CLEARLY HE'S WANTING TO HAVE TWO PRIMARY AND ONE ALTERNATIVES.

IS THAT THE IDEA? MR. NORBY? YEAH, I THINK I LIKE THIS 20 PERCENT FOR EACH OF US.

SO WE EACH GET TWO AND THEN WHETHER WE HAVE ONE OR TWO ALTERNATES IS NOT A REALLY CONCERN.

I GUESS IF IF WE IF ONE OF THE TWO DROPS OUT AND THE ALTERNATE GOES IN, WE PROBABLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME WANT TO PICK ANOTHER ALTERNATE.

BUT I'M ALSO OK WITH TWO AND TWO.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT I I JUST THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FIVE OF US UP HERE TO EACH I DO HEAR THE CUMBERSOMENESS OF HAVING A LARGER GROUP, BUT I WOULD COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF HAVING A LOT MORE INVOLVEMENT FROM A LOT MORE PEOPLE TO JUST CHALLENGE US, IF YOU WILL.

AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT WRITING THE PLAN.

THIS IS ABOUT CREATING SOME FRAMEWORK FOR THE PLAN.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER PRODUCT, MORE EXPANSIVE, MORE THINGS TO CONSIDER THAN WE WOULD OTHERWISE.

SO.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT DOES.

I THINK TWO AND TWO IS FINE.

NOW PER COUNCILPERSON AND THE ONLY AND I'M NOT HERE TO TRY AND SAY YES OR NO, THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, BUT WE ALSO SAID WE WANTED TO HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL GROUP INVOLVED IN IT ALSO.

SO IF YOU PICK FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE FROM ONE FROM EACH OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS WITHIN OUR DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, IT KEEPS GETTING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GETTING LARGER AND LARGER.

THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT TO COMMENT IS AN ALTERNATE IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE I WILL GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE DROP OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

SO YOU NEED TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE AND AN ALTERNATE THAT'S GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN EVERY MEETING, NOT JUST COME WHEN WHEN THE PRIMARY DOESN'T SHOW BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT GOES THROUGH THIS EVERY SINGLE MEETING.

ALSO, I MEAN, ALTERNATES, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE AN ALTERNATE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE COMMENTS.

THEY NEED TO HAVE A VOICE AT THE TABLE, TOO.

SO THE FACT THAT YOU DO HAVE TO I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO VOICES.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT THREE VOICES REALLY AT THE AT THE TABLE.

SO.

AND ONE OTHER THING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO I DON'T FORGET THIS.

I CAN'T STRESS HOW MUCH THE HISTORY MEANS IN THIS.

SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE RAY PAQUETTE, MIKE HOLTZ MILLER AND JIM ELLIOTT, WHO WERE PART OF THE STAFF WHEN THIS WAS FOUNDED, THEY HAVE ESPECIALLY MR. HOLTZ MILLER IS HAS A HUGE UNDERSTANDING OF THE HOWS AND WHYS THINGS WERE CREATED AND TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT IF ALL POSSIBLE, THEY COULD BE SOME PART OF THE PARTICIPATION OR THE EDUCATION IN THIS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HUGE.

SO.

SO I GUESS I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE THE MAKEUP IS OF THE COMMITTEE AND LEAVE THE OPTION OPEN TO A LATER POINT IN TIME, WHETHER WE WANT TO PRIMARIES AND ONE ALTERNATE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DECIDE TONIGHT? MR. BLACKBURN, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

I'D LIKE TO JUST FIND IT, FIGURE IT OUT TONIGHT.

DON'T [INAUDIBLE] DOCTOR TONIGHT.

YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO DO THAT TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF SO THEY CAN START TO WORK ON IT.

OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I'M READING THE READING OF THE BOARD, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT WOULD RATHER HAVE TWO PRIMARIES AND ONE ALTERNATE THAN JUST ONE.

SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION AND A STAFF, IF WE NEED TO ADD THAT BEFORE WE VOTE, SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO THAT.

AND OUR IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE THE NUMBER WE WOULD SUGGEST YOU ALSO EXPAND TO TWO PRIMARIES AND TWO ALTERNATES FROM EACH COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHY TWO ALTERNATES MR. BARBERIO? DOES YOU KNOW JUST THE EXPERIENCE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST? THE ALTERNATES DON'T JUST SERVE WHEN SOMEBODY LIKE MOVES OUT OF TOWN AND THEY'RE NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY A MEETING A MONTH AND WE

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EACH ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE THEY'RE SO, SO ESSENTIAL, AND SO SOMETIMES A PRIMARY CAN'T MAKE A INDIVIDUAL MEETING IN THEIR ALTERNATE CAN SERVE IN THEIR STEAD.

SO THAT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THAT.

IT DOES MAKE FOR, YOU KNOW, 19 TIMES TWO RIGHT.

MY MATH SAYS 38, BUT IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

BUT EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN THAT EVEN WITH ALTERNATES, SOMETIMES QUORUMS ARE A CHALLENGE.

SO, SO AN ALTERNATE COULDN'T FILL IN FOR YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE TWO PRIMARIES WON'T MAKE ONE MEETING OUT OF ONE DISTRICT.

I'M JUST GOING FROM EXPERIENCE PARTICULARLY RELATED TO EC THREE.

NOW THAT WAS A LONGER TERM COMMITMENT THAN THAN A YEAR OR A LITTLE LONGER THAN A YEAR.

BUT IT DOES.

IT DOES BECOME CHALLENGING AT CERTAIN TIMES.

SO WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO GO, AT LEAST HAVE ONE ALTERNATE, IF NOT TWO, FOR THOSE TWO MEMBERS.

AND SO MAYBE IN AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING IT THROUGH AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

AND SO IF YOU THINK ATTENDANCE IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE OF US NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINT, THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS COMMITMENT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.

AND IF THEY WON'T MAKE THAT COMMITMENT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF INDIVIDUALLY OUR CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE MIGHT, ALSO, IF IF PEOPLE DON'T MAKE TWO CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS, THEN WE DISMISS THEM AND BRING THE ALTERNATE IN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMMITTED.

SO MR. NORBY.

YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL DO WILL ESTABLISH BYLAWS OF HOW THEY OPERATE, AND THEN THIS ISSUE OF MISSING THREE CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS FOR ONE COULD BE DEALT WITH IN THE BYLAWS BY THE COMMITTEE, THE APPOINTEES.

THE SECOND IS THAT I WOULD ALWAYS ASK THAT THE APPOINTED MEMBER SPEAK AND THAT THE ALTERNATE SPEAK THROUGH THAT APPOINTED MEMBER IF THAT MEMBER IS PRESENT, IF THE MEMBER IS NOT PRESENT, THE ALTERNATE IS SPEAKING AND THEN ALSO ON EVERY MEETING.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ALTERNATE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, TO ADD OR TO.

THERE'S A THOUGHT THAT COMES UP, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SET OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE FOUR MEMBERS.

FROM EACH DISTRICT PARTICIPATING IN A MEETING, THERE'LL BE TWO REPRESENTATIVES THERE, EITHER PRIMARY OR ALTERNATE.

AND THEN THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY IF THE ALTERNATES WANT TO SPEAK AND BOTH PRIMARIES ARE THERE TO DO IT, THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS THE BYLAWS.

I THINK THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO SET THOSE BYLAWS UP THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SO IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IS PREPARED, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN.

OK, SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE THAT THE CHARTER FOR THIS COMMITTEE WE FORMED, THIS COMMITTEE CONSISTS OF ONE MEMBER OF EACH OF OUR COMMISSIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONS WILL CHOOSE, THAT IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A BRIEF BIO JUST TO ONE PARAGRAPH BIO FOR ONE SENTENCE BIO ON EACH COMMISSIONER THAT'S CHOSEN AND THAT WE THEN HAVE 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER IT'S REQUIRED WHERE WE CAN MAKE OUR SELECTIONS AND PICKS BASED UPON WHAT WE SEE THE MAKEUP IS.

AND THAT WOULD CONCLUDE MY MOTION.

WOULD MAYOR, IF I MIGHT WITH WITH THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS ALSO INCLUDE AN ALTERNATE? YES, OF COURSE.

MR. NORBY.

YES.

EACH BOARD GETS AN ALTERNATE ALSO CORRECT.

I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT I SAW ORIGINALLY AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED AS WELL.

OKAY.

AND THEN JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK I WOULD GO TWO AND TWO FOR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO IF I CAN SUMMARIZE, THAT'S A TOTAL OF 19 COMMISSION MEMBERS PRIMARY PLUS 19 ALTERNATES.

IT WOULD BE COMPRISED OF ONE MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE FROM EACH COMMISSION.

ONCE THE COMMISSIONS HAVE MADE THEIR SELECTION, THEN THE SELECTIONS AND BIOS WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE 30 DAYS TO MAKE THEIR PICKS.

THE PICKS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE TWO PICKS PER COUNCIL MEMBER, PLUS TWO ALTERNATES AND FOR THE MAYOR TO AT-LARGE PICKS PLUS TWO ALTERNATES.

YES.

CORRECT.

YES.

SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, AYE, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, AYE, COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, AYE, MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN, AYE, MAYOR HALL, AYE.

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OK.

UM, MOVING ON THEN TO ITEM.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE IN GENERAL? I MADE SOME ABOUT MR. HOLTZ MILLER AND MR. PAQUETTE.

ANY OTHER MR. NORBY? YEAH, MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA IF WE HAVE KIND OF LEGACY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE STILL IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WERE CRITICAL ELEMENTS THAT THAT WILL BE ONE MEETING IN AND OF ITSELF TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE THERE.

AND THEN I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT OUR CURRENT STAFF ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM JUST AS WELL AS DOES THAT STAFF DID BACK THEN.

LOOK.

ANY OTHERS?

[11. EVALUATION OF THE ACCOUNTING TREATMENT OF THE GENERAL FUND’S ADVANCE TO THE GOLF COURSE ENTERPRISE FUND]

I DON'T SEE ANY.

SO LET'S MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM 11, EVALUATION OF THE COUNTY.

TREATMENT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS ADVANCE TO THE GOLF COURSE.

MR. CHADWICK, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE INTRODUCTIONS? CERTAINLY.

AND JOINING US AND MAKING THE PRESENTATION TODAY AS OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, RYAN GREENE, ALONG WITH OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OVER SERVICES MS. LORA ROSA.

AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, CAN I ASK THE CLERK IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? IS THERE IF THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 10? COULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND NOW OR...

ITEM NUMBER 11.

ITEM NUMBER 11, COULD YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE OR RAISE YOUR HAND .

THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS THERE, AND I MIGHT SUGGEST THEY WERE ALL BRIEFED IN DEPTH ON THIS ITEM.

DOES ANYONE WISH TO HAVE A FURTHER BRIEFING ON THIS OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION ON? AH COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A FURTHER BRIEFING, BUT I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION.

SURE, GO AHEAD.

IN READING THROUGH THIS AND RECEIVING THE BRIEFING, I WAS WONDERING SINCE THIS IS THE GOLF COURSE SEEMS TO NOT HAVE EVER BEEN ABLE TO REPAY THE INITIAL STARTUP FEES.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE REASON THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE WORDS FROM ADVANCE TO TRANSFER ARE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE REPAYMENT IN THE FORESEEABLE.

THERE WERE SOME SPECIFIC WORDS, BUT LIKE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO.

I WAS WONDERING, OH, HERE IT IS, THE REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF REPAYMENT IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

I WAS WONDERING WHAT IS OUR LIKE, WHAT WHAT KIND OF PLAN DO WE HAVE TO REPAY THAT? OR HAVE WE DONE SOME KIND OF STUDY ON HOW TO MAKE THE GOLF COURSE ACTUALLY PROFITABLE SO THAT THEY CAN REPAY THAT BIG, HUGE LOAN AND INVESTMENT THAT OUR COMMUNITY MADE INTO OUR BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE AND THEN ACTUALLY MAYBE MAKE SOME MONEY OFF OF HAVING IT? GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO LAURA AND RYAN.

THANK YOU, REMEMBER.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET RYAN KIND OF GET RIGHT INTO THAT.

YEAH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO THE GOLF COURSE, IT DOES HAVE A LONG HISTORY AND IN THE BRIEFING THAT WE'VE PROVIDED, THE REASON FOR MUCH OF THE COST WAS DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GOLF COURSE AND MANY OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, SIMILAR TO MANY CITY PARKS.

THE INITIAL INVESTMENT, LIKE ALGA NORTE OR OTHER PARTS, IS SUBSTANTIAL.

THIS ONE WAS PARTICULARLY SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS THERE.

WITH THAT SAID, SINCE THE BOMBS WERE DIFFUSED IN 2017, THERE HAVE BEEN NO ADDITIONAL TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE GOLF COURSE TO SUSTAIN ITS REGULAR OPERATIONS AND MAINTAIN ITS ITS CAPITAL NEEDS.

AND THAT HAS CONTINUED THROUGH THE LAST FEW YEARS SINCE TWENTY SEVENTEEN.

NOW THIS TRANSFER IS PURELY AN ACCOUNTING RULE CHANGE.

IT DOESN'T GET RID OF THE LOAN THAT IS OUTSTANDING THAT WILL STILL BE ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND IF AND WHEN THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS A CITY PARK THAT IS CURRENTLY SUSTAINING OPERATIONS AND ITS CAPITAL NEEDS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, IF IT DOES HAVE ADDITIONAL CASH FLOWS, THEN IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE TRANSFERRED BACK TO WORK DOWN SOME OF THAT LOAN.

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BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTLY, THE CITY DOES HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT'S COMPRISED OF MYSELF, LAURA, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR AS WELL, AND A PARKS AND REC MANAGER THAT TEAMS UP WITH JC MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS THE THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT HELPS RUN THAT GOLF COURSE.

AND THEY HAVE OTHER GOLF COURSES THAT THEY RUN THIS.

THIS COMMITTEE MEETS MONTHLY.

WE GO OVER THE FINANCIAL RESULTS.

THERE ARE CONSTANTLY, THEY THE GROUP IS CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE AND GENERATE MORE PROFIT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PAY THOSE BACK.

THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT LONG TERM FORECASTING OF CAPITAL COSTS, THE THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT GOLF COURSE, WHICH ARE HIGH, BUT THEY ARE TURNING A PROFIT IN ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THOSE COSTS AT THIS POINT.

NOW I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S NOT ENOUGH CURRENTLY TO PAY BACK THE CITY LOAN, BUT WHAT THERE IS A LIMITATION ON THE DEMAND FOR THAT GOLF COURSE.

IF, SAY, THE PRICE WERE INCREASED TO A LEVEL THAT WOULD WOULD STIFLE DEMAND.

SO IT IS ONE OF THOSE VERY SENSITIVE ASPECTS THAT IS LOOKED AT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, AS WE'VE SEEN GOLF DEMAND INCREASE, THE PRICE FOR THAT COURSE HAS INCREASED ALONGSIDE THAT, BUT STILL MAINTAINS A COMPETITIVE LEVEL IN THE LOCAL MARKET FOR GOLF.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

YEAH, IN READING THOSE IN THE BRIEFING AND JUST KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT CARLSBAD BEING SUCH AN IMPORTANT CENTER FOR A LOT OF GOLF BUSINESSES AND GOLF INDUSTRY AND OF COURSE, HAVING LOVELY GOLF COURSES ALL OVER, INCLUDING IN MY DISTRICT, IT DEFINITELY SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A WONDERFUL ASSET IN THE CITY.

BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THAT LOAN REPAID.

AND I DEFINITELY READ IN HERE THAT WHEN THAT REPAYMENT AGREEMENT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006, IT DIDN'T INCLUDE A REPAYMENT SCHEDULE WHICH USUALLY LOANS YOU.

I TOOK OUT A LOT OF TUITION LOANS AND I HAD A VERY TIGHT REPAYMENT TIMELINE.

SO USUALLY THOSE ARE THERE.

SO WE HEAR ABOUT HOW GOLF HAD ITS BIGGEST YEAR YET LAST YEAR AND FOR EVERYONE IN THE GOLF INDUSTRY, INCLUDING THE CROSSINGS.

AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE SOME KIND OF REPAYMENT SCHEDULE AND A PLAN SO THAT WE COULD GET THAT MONEY BACK INTO OUR GENERAL FUND AND USE IT TO PAY FOR THE THINGS OUR CITIZENS NEED.

SO I'M WONDERING WHAT, WHAT KIND OF STEPS WE CAN TAKE A STUDY MAYBE I'VE HEARD OF CITIES OFFERING NAMING RIGHTS TO BIG BUSINESSES FOR THEIR MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES.

THERE ARE WAYS, CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE WAYS THAT MAY BE HAVING SOME KIND OF STUDY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DETERMINE.

SO IS HAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEEN DONE? SOME KIND OF STUDY TO FIND OUT HOW WE COULD GENERATE SOME MORE REVENUE TO REPAY THAT CITY LOAN? WELL, AS RYAN MENTIONED, WE DO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAXIMIZE REVENUE EACH TIME WE GET TOGETHER THE WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT NAMING RIGHTS OR ANYTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY'S ENTITLED TO AS A RESULT OF THAT, BECAUSE IT IS.

IT REALLY IS CONSIDERED A GENERAL FUND ASSET.

BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE WHAT SOME OTHER MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES HAVE DONE.

I KNOW OTHERS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN OPERATIONS SUCCESSFULLY.

WE'VE BEEN ONE OF THE VERY FEW THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

IT IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE TO RUN A MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE, ESPECIALLY WITH ASSETS THAT WE HAVE OUR BEAUTIFUL ASSET THE CLUBHOUSE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FACILITY SIDE OF THE HOUSE IN TERMS OF THE EVENTS AND THE WEDDINGS AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, EVENTS THAT ARE THAT ARE HELD OUT THERE.

SO WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

WE DO TRY TO ALWAYS THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

AND LIKE I SAID THIS, THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY.

THIS IS SIMPLY AN ACCOUNTING RULE THAT WE HAVE TO STICK TO IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WITH NO MODIFIED OPINION, AS THEY TYPICALLY SAY THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE STANDARDS AS SET FORTH.

SO I WILL CERTAINLY BRING IT TO THE GROUP AND WE CAN START HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

OK, IF THERE WERE SOME KIND OF A REPAYMENT SCHEDULE OR SOME KIND OF STUDY DONE,

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YEAH, WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROJECTION OF CASH FLOWS, THERE ARE SOME MAJOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT ARE EXPECTED IN THE FUTURE.

AND SO THE WITH THE AVERAGE OR ABOVE AVERAGE NUMBER OF ROUNDS, WHICH IS CLOSE TO AROUND FIFTY FIVE THOUSAND ROUNDS AT THAT RATE, THE CITY WOULDN'T BE OPERATING THIS GOLF COURSE AT A BREAK EVEN POINT WITH THE WITH ITS NEEDS.

NOW, IF WE HAD CONTINUED SURGE IN GOLF ROUNDS LIKE WE HAD IN THIS LAST YEAR, WHERE THE COURSE HIT A HISTORIC HIGH OF EIGHTY TWO THOUSAND ROUNDS, THEN YES, THE COURSE COULD PAY PAY THIS BACK.

BUT BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW IN THE GOLF INDUSTRY AND WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE BEEN TELLING US, THAT IS A THIS IS A A SURGE THAT WILL COME DOWN IS PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT THERE WERE NOT OTHER ACTIVITIES FOR FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE IN DURING COVID.

AND SO WITH THAT, AND WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN IT START TO TAPER OFF AND DON'T EXPECT THAT WE'LL SEE ANOTHER EIGHTY TWO THOUSAND ROUND YEAR.

WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT WILL.

AND AGAIN, IF THAT NUMBER OF ROUNDS OR TRANSPIRES AGAIN AND THERE ARE EXTRA FUNDS, THOSE WILL BE TRANSFERRED BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND AND BEGIN TO START PAYING THIS LOAN DOWN.

AND COULD I MAKE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS GOLF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE DESIGN OF THE GOLF COURSE AND WE WENT ALL THROUGH THAT, BECAME EXTREMELY COMPLICATED.

ALSO, THE OPEN SPACE THAT WAS SET ASIDE AS PART OF THIS THING, WE INVESTED, I THINK ABOUT $92000 AN ACRE TO NOT ONLY PRESERVE NOT ONLY TO SET IT ASIDE, BUT TO GO BACK OVER SEVEN YEARS TO MAKE SURE IT GOT REVEGETATE AND THE VEGETATION GREW.

ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP OF THE GOLF COURSE AND THE LANDS THAT ARE ALSO NOT PART OF THE GOLF COURSE, BUT IMMEDIATELY ADJOINING IT AND WHAT THOSE ASSETS ARE BEING USED FOR OR COULD BE USED FOR ALL THAT MONEY IS GOING TO GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND THE GOLF COURSE ISN'T GOING TO GET ANY CREDIT FOR THAT.

SO AND THAT REPRESENTS A RATHER LARGE NUMBER ALSO.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S NOT A BUSINESS ENTITY UNTO IT, TOTALLY UNTO ITSELF.

THE COMPLEXITY OF HOW THIS IS DONE IS VERY INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST, BUT THERE'S TWO PRETTY GOOD SIZED COMMERCIAL LOTS UP OFF OF COLLEGE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE ALL THAT ASSET IS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO IT'D BE REAL HARD TO EVEN ESTABLISH A NUMBER THAT WOULD BE A FAIRNESS NUMBER TO PAY BACK, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN THIS.

SO TONIGHT IT'S JUST REALLY TRYING TO MAKE A, YOU KNOW MAKE THE AUDITOR GET US INTO COMPLIANCE AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT, SO YEAH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I DO KNOW THAT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS ABOUT THAT ACCOUNTING TECHNICAL WORD CHANGE FROM ADVANCE TO TRANSFER.

JUST LOOKING AT THAT FORTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLAR PLUS NUMBER THAT IF IT WERE BEING REPAID, COULD BE BACK IN OUR GENERAL FUND.

IT IS A LOAN AND AND I READ MULTIPLE TIMES IT'S NOT BEING FORGIVEN.

IT'S JUST A WORD CHANGE, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCELERATE THE REPAYMENT SO WE COULD GET THAT BACK.

BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D BRING IT UP.

IT'S RELEVANT.

IT IS THIS THIS AGENDA ITEM.

I HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE ALSO CONCERNED.

IT'S NOT JUST ME.

I THOUGHT OF IT, BUT I ALSO HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS REACH OUT TO ME ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE.

SO I JUST THOUGHT, I BRING IT UP.

THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTAND THE TECHNICAL THING THAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND I DO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, BUT WANTED TO BRING IT UP IN CASE MY COLLEAGUES HAD ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE ON THAT POINT.

IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS, CAN WE GET A MOTION? MOVE ADOPTION OF BOTH ITEMS CONTAINED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.

CLERK, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, AYE, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, AYE, COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, AYE, MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN, MAYOR HALL AYE.

SO THIS ITEM PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 12 GENERAL FUND SURPLUS POLICY APPROVAL OF FISCAL YEAR 2020-2021

[12. GENERAL FUND SURPLUS POLICY: APPROVAL OF FISCAL YEAR 2020-21 BUDGET CARRYFORWARD REQUESTS AND APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS TO FISCAL YEAR 2021-22]

I KNOW IT'S A MOUTHFUL, BUT MAKING THIS PRESENTATION IS OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR RYAN

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RYAN, YOU'RE ON MUTE.

ALL RIGHT.

LET ME TRY THAT AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

AND SCOTT AND AGAIN, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MAYOR, PRO TEM AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A WALK THROUGH OF THE ANNUAL REVIEW REQUIRED BY THE CITY COUNCIL'S GENERAL FUND SURPLUS POLICY.

THIS POLICY IS ALSO A MECHANISM FOR THE CITY TO CARRY FORWARD ANY SURPLUS FUNDS FROM THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR AS LONG AS CERTAIN METRICS HAVE BEEN MET.

A SURPLUS ARISES WHEN REVENUES EXCEED EXPENDITURES AFTER THE BOOKS ARE CLOSED ON A FISCAL YEAR, AND THIS WAS ALL DONE PRIOR TO THE BOOKS BEING FULLY AUDITED, BUT IT WAS BASED ON PRELIMINARY FIGURES.

SURPLUSES ARE TYPICAL IN GOVERNMENT, PRIMARILY BECAUSE BUDGETS ARE SET AS A CEILING THAT CANNOT BE EXCEEDED WITHOUT A SEPARATE AUTHORIZATION IN A CITY IS ALLOWED TO UNDERSPEND, WHICH OFTEN HAPPENS.

IT'S RARE THAT YOU WOULD SEE THEM HIT RIGHT AT THAT CEILING.

AND ALSO, CARLSBAD HAS A VERY PRUDENT FINANCIAL APPROACH WHEN IT SETS ITS BALANCED BUDGETS, MEANING IT SETS ITS BUDGETS WHERE EXPENDITURES ARE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN THE EXPECTED REVENUES.

AND LASTLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUDGET WAS SET WHEN THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY.

THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE 2020-21 BUDGET, WHICH WAS SET BACK IN JUNE OF 2020.

AND WHEN YOU PUT ALL THOSE FACTORS TOGETHER OR EVEN SEPARATE, THEY CAN AND OFTEN DO RESULT IN A BUDGET BEING UNDERSPENT.

AND SO AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR, 2021, THE UNASSIGNED GENERAL FUND BALANCE OR THE PORTION NOT DESIGNATED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE OR LEGALLY RESTRICTED WAS FIFTEEN POINT SIX MILLION DOLLARS.

AND THIS IS AFTER TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION SOME ITEMS THE CITY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR CERTAIN USES, LIKE SOME MONEY FOR COVID 19 ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION FUNDS, AS WELL AS THOSE FUNDS FOR THE TECHNOLOGY INVESTMENT PROGRAM.

SO THERE ARE THREE PRIMARY REASONS FOR THE YEAR END SURPLUS.

THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH UNDERSPENDING ON PERSONNEL COSTS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND LIBRARIES THAT WERE EXPECTED TO BE OPEN DURING THE YEAR.

BUT WE'RE CLOSED FOR A PORTION DUE TO COVID 19 RELATED SHUTDOWNS.

NEXT, THE UNCERTAINTY IN REVENUES HAD LED TO VERY PRUDENT SPENDING BY DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING SOME THAT WAS INTENTIONAL AND OTHER THAT WAS UNINTENTIONAL DUE TO DEFERMENT OF MAINTENANCE OR DUE TO THE FOCUS ON COVID 19.

AND LASTLY, BETTER THAN EXPECTED SALES TAX AND TOTTY OR HOTEL TAX REVENUE CAME IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR AS THE AS THE CALIFORNIA ECONOMY WAS FULLY REOPENED.

BUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE WERE TAKING A PRUDENT APPROACH BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BRIDGET DRURY, THE CITY'S SENIOR ACCOUNTANT, IN OUR BUDGET GROUP, TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE POLICIES REQUIREMENTS.

THANK YOU, RYAN.

SO CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER EIGHTY SEVEN, THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUS POLICY DICTATES THE ORDER IN WHICH UNSPENT BUDGETED FUNDS AT YEAR END MAY BE USED.

FIRST, IT MUST BE USED TO REPLENISH RESERVE DEFICIENCIES IF NEEDED.

THE CITY COUNCIL'S GENERAL FUND RESERVE POLICY COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING GENERAL FUND RESERVES AT A TARGET OF 40 PERCENT OF GENERAL FUND ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENDITURES BASED ON THE PRIOR YEAR'S BUDGET.

NOW, CURRENTLY THE CITY'S FUND, THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND RESERVE, IS PROJECTED TO END THE FISCAL YEAR TWENTY TWENTY ONE AT ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE POINT THREE MILLION.

SO IF WE CALCULATE THE REQUIRED RESERVE OF 40 PERCENT OFF OF THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH IS ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR POINT SIX MILLION FOR THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING EXPENDITURES, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CURRENT RESERVE LEVEL OF ABOUT FIFTY SEVEN PERCENT.

THEREFORE, WE'VE MET OR EXCEEDED THE 40 PERCENT REQUIRED RESERVE BALANCE AS DICTATED BY THE POLICY.

THE NEXT REQUIREMENT FOR USE OF THE SURPLUS FUNDS SET BY THE POLICY IS TO REPLENISH ANY PENSION LIABILITY DEFICIENCIES IF NEEDED.

NOW IN COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER EIGHTY SIX, WHICH IS THE PENSION FUNDING POLICY, THE CITY COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING A PENSION FUND RATIO OF 80 TO EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT.

SO THIS NEXT SLIDE DEMONSTRATES THE CURRENT PENSION LIABILITY DEFICIENCY

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THE POINT IN TIME SHOWN HERE IS AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2021 OR THE END OF THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE ACTUARIES VALUATION REPORT AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2020.

SO AN 80 PERCENT FUNDING REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY'S TOTAL PENSION LIABILITY IS ABOUT $600 MILLION, AND CURRENTLY THE CITY'S TOTAL PENSION ASSETS ARE JUST BELOW THAT AT FIVE HUNDRED NINETY FOUR MILLION.

THAT EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY SEVENTY NINE PERCENT FUNDED.

SO TO ELIMINATE THE PENSION DEFICIT BETWEEN THE CITY'S CURRENT PENSION ASSETS AND THE 80 PERCENT FUNDED REQUIREMENT SET FORTH IN THE POLICY, WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A $6.4 MILLION PENSION PAYMENT TO CALPERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE TOTAL PENSION ASSETS SHOWN HERE DO REFLECT THAT $10 MILLION PAYMENT THAT THE CITY JUST PAID AT THE END OF THE LAST FISCAL YEAR TO GET US ABOVE 80 PERCENT.

HOWEVER, THAT WAS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS CALPERS REPORT THAT UTILIZED AN ACTUARIAL VALUATION AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2019.

SO WE RECENTLY RECEIVED THE LATEST CALPERS REPORT, WHICH PUT US JUST UNDER THE 80 PERCENT.

NOW LASTLY, THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUS POLICY STATES THAT ANY SURPLUS FUNDS AT YEAR END AFTER CONSIDERING THE CITY'S RESERVES AND PENSION LIABILITY MAY BE USED FOR ONE TIME EXPENDITURES THAT WILL NOT CREATE NEW ONGOING SERVICES, PROGRAMS OR PERSONNEL.

THIS LEADS US TO THE DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL CARRY FORWARDS.

SO IN THE POLICY, THERE ARE SOME RULES GOVERNING WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROVING CARRY FORWARD REQUESTS, INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS THAT ARE A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR ABOVE REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AND INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS THAT ARE LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MAY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

SO RECENTLY, THE CITY STAFF COMPLETED THIS PROCESS TO SUBMIT CARRY FORWARD REQUESTS TO THE CITY MANAGER, WHO APPROVED A LIST OF 30 GENERAL FUND REQUESTS THAT TOTALED ABOUT SIX HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS AND TWENTY NINE GENERAL FUND REQUESTS THAT TOTALED ONE POINT ONE MILLION.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS WERE EACH LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO ASSUMING THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE ADDITIONAL PAYMENT TO CALPERS TO GET TO THAT 80 PERCENT FUNDED LEVEL AND CONSIDERING THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVED CARRY FORWARD REQUESTS, THERE'S NOW EIGHT POINT SIX MILLION AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO USE TO APPROVE CARRY FORWARD REQUESTS OVER ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

SO DEPARTMENT SUBMITTED FOR GENERAL FUND TO CARRY FORWARD REQUESTS OF ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR MORE, AND THEY TOTALED SEVEN HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THESE FOUR REQUESTS INCLUDE A REQUEST OF ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYST'S ANALYSIS FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT IMPLEMENTATION.

A REQUEST TO CARRY FORWARD TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS IN UNSPENT FUNDS THAT THE NEW HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT INTENDED TO BE USED BY FISCAL YEAR END TO PILOT THE HOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM, WHICH WE DISCUSSED EARLIER TONIGHT IN ITEM EIGHT.

A REQUEST TO CARRY FORWARD UNSPENT PUBLIC ARTS PROGRAM FUNDS OF TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND A REQUEST TO CARRY FORWARD ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO COMPLETE THE PURCHASE OF ONE VEHICLE AND OUTFIT TWO OTHER VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM.

ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT PART OF THE GENERAL FUND SURPLUS CONVERSATION, THERE ARE TWO CARRY FORWARD REQUESTS TOTALING EIGHT $800000.

THE FIRST REQUEST.

TO CARRY FORWARD $100000 IN FUNDS TO COMPLETE PLANT ELEVATOR REPAIR.

AND NO AUDIO.

ALL RIGHT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

AND THEN THE SECOND WAS $700000 IN GOLF COURSE FUNDS TO REPLACE THE FLEET.

THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY IN THE TWO NON GENERAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT THESE REQUESTS.

THIS LAST TABLE SHOWS WHAT THE AVAILABLE SURPLUS LEFT IS AFTER CONSIDERING THE OTHER REQUESTS BROUGHT FORWARD IN THE PRESENTATION, RYAN WILL GO FORWARD OPTIONS WILL DISCUSS OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE REMAINING SURPLUS.

THANK YOU, BRIGID.

FIRST, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD CHOOSE TO USE SOME OF THE FUNDS TO INCREASE THE CITY COUNCIL'S CONTINGENCY FUND.

HISTORICALLY, THIS FUND HAS HAD A BUDGET OF ONE POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THOUGH THIS WAS REDUCED TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS BASED ON THE USE OF CONTINGENCY IN THE RECENT PAST.

ADDING FUNDS TO THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINGENCY FUND WOULD CREATE ADDED

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THE NEXT OPTION, OR THE FUNDS, COULD BE COMMITTED TO USE THE COMMITTEE TO BE USED TO CREATE A SECTION 115 TRUST FUND, WHICH I'LL GO OVER IN MORE DETAIL.