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2021 MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION, MS.
[CALL TO ORDER:]
FLORES, WOULD YOU TAKE ROLE? YES.AND COMMISSIONER MERZ IS ABSENT AND COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, PRESENT.
THANK YOU MS. FLORES, WE APPRECIATE THAT.
NEXT ITEM ON IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 15, 2021 MEETING.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES:]
ANY ADDITIONS OR EDITS TO THE MINUTES OF THAT MEETING? COMMISSIONERS.ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LUNA.
OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A QUICK MEETING, YOU KNOW? AMEN.
WE HAVE THE...COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
COMMISSIONER LUNA, PASS I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, APPROVE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER MEENES, YES, I APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, APPROVE.
THAT MOTION PASSES SIX WITH ONE ABSENT.
ALRIGHTY, FURTHER PROCEDURES, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA EXECUTIVE ORDER N2920 AND IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
WE'RE TEMPORARILY TAKING ACTION TO PREVENT AND MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF COVID 19 PANDEMIC BY HOLDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS ONLINE.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CAN BE WATCHED VIA LIVE STREAM OR REPLAY IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY, YOU MAY VISIT THE CITY'S WEBSITE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND GO FOR THE INSTRUCTIONS, AND THAT WILL DIRECT YOU AS TO HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
WHEN EMAILING COMMENTS, PLEASE SEND TO THE PLANNING DIVISION AT THE PLANNINGDIVISIONCARLSBADCA.G OV.
PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND IDENTIFY IN THE SUBJECT LINE THE AGENDA ITEM TO WHICH YOUR COMMENT RELATES.
ALL COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL NOT BE READ OUT LOUD.
THESE PROCEDURES SHALL REMAIN IN PLACE DURING THE PERIOD OF WHICH STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS HAVE IMPOSED OR RECOMMENDED SOCIAL DISTANCING MEASURES.
COMMISSION SETS ASIDE THIS TIME UP TO 15 MINUTES TO ACCEPT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THAT'S WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IS PROVIDED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PORTION.
COMMENTATORS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH UNLESS THE CHAIR CHANGES THAT TIME CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.
NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO COMMENT LISTED IN THE AGENDA AND ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ITEM NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA? MS. FLORES.
I WOULD ASK AT THIS TIME THAT ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK OR LOG IN.
IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK, LOG IN SORRY, OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS, YOU'LL BE MUTED ONE, YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED, AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY RAISING THEIR HAND OR IN ATTENDANCE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
PROCEDURE FOR THE COMMISSION WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN.
STAFF WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
APPLICANTS WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND RESPOND IN CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
WE'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD WILL THEN BE OPEN.
TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES IS ALLOTTED TO EACH COMMENT RECEIVED.
AFTER ALL, THOSE WANTING TO SPEAK HAVE DONE SO PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD WILL BE CLOSED.
THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ISSUES OR QUESTIONS RAISED.
THE COMMISSIONERS WILL THEN DISCUSS THE ITEM AND THEN VOTE ON IT.
PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.
CERTAIN PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS ARE FINAL, BUT MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY
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COUNCIL.YOU CAN FIND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURES IN THE BACK OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
OK, WITH THAT, I'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ITEM NUMBER ONE.
[1. SDP 2021-0005/CDP 2021-0008 (DEV2020-0245) – ADDITION AND REMODEL OF BOB BAKER MAZDA]
BEFORE DOING SO, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS, HAVE AN EX PARTE DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, AND I WANTED TO ASK IF THIS WAS A GOOD TIME TO REQUEST THAT THIS BE A CONSENT ITEM? COMMISSIONER, LET ME WE HAVE ANOTHER HAND UP HERE, COMMISSIONER STINE.
WE'LL COME BACK TO COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IN A MOMENT.
YES, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND DROVE BY THERE TWO DAYS AGO.
OKAY, LET'S FINISH THE EX PARTE AND THEN WE'LL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
OK, COMMISSIONER KEVIN SABELLICO.
I HAVE NO EX PARTE TO DISCLOSE.
JUST DID YES, I'VE BEEN BY THERE.
AND YES, I DID DRIVE BY THE SITE.
IN REGARD TO COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY'S COMMENT.
ANY COMMENT YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR US TO ENTERTAIN HAVING A BE A CONSENT ITEM? ANY COMMENT? I THINK CITY PLANNER KNEW HAD SAID PRIOR TO THE MEETING THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE RESOLUTION THAT THEY WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT CONCURRED WITH.
SO HE SAID WE HAD A SHORT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE VOTE.
LET ME ASK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, ARE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY RECOMMENDATION? MM HMM.
ANY ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT? OK.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND AND TAKE A VOTE TO HAVE THAT BE CONSIGNED ITEM.
MR. CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I THINK ALL WE WOULD ASK IS THAT WE GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONCUR WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND IF HE'S IN CONCURRENCE, THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THE PROJECT.
IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
WE DID HAVE A AN ADDITIONAL MATERIALS MEMO.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PREVIOUSLY CALLED NARADA SHEET.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYONE.
AND WE SHOULD CHECK AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS TOO.
MS. FLORES, ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
SO I WILL CALL FOR ANY AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON NON EXCUSE ME THAT'S MY FIRST PARAGRAPH, SECOND PARAGRAPH.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.
IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN, OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION IN REGARD TO THIS BEING A CONSENT ITEM AND IN REGARD TO THE ITEM, A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS BE A CONSENT ITEM.
MOVE TO REQUEST THAT THIS RESOLUTION BE A CONSENT ITEM, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL MEMO THAT WAS FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO SECONDS.
MR. KEMP, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WISH TO SHARE? WELL, I'M NOT CLEAR AS TO WHETHER THIS IS A VOTE TO APPROVE THE ITEM OR NOT.
AND IF IT IS, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR AND WE STILL NEED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AS TO WHETHER HE CONSENTS TO THE CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION.
YEAH, MY AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
YES, I WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE ITEM BEING MOVED OVER TO CONSENT.
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SO THAT'S THE FIRST MOTION.OK, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO TO HAVE THIS BE A CONSENT ITEM AND MS. FLORES.
ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO I THINK WE WANT IT, I THINK TO LISTEN TO MR. KEMP IN THE IDEA WHERE WE HAVE TO HEAR WHAT THE OWNER IS GOING TO SAY.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD GO ON WITH THE FULL PRESENTATION.
I DIDN'T I WASN'T SURE HOW THIS WAS GOING TO PLAY OUT, I JUST WONDERED IF THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THE THINGS LOOKED PRETTY CLEAR.
I APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEM, BUT IF WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH A HEARING, WE NEED TO DO THAT, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO VOTE.
WELL, I THINK WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE JUST TAKING A VOTE AS TO WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A CONSENT ITEM OR NOT, IT'S NOT WHETHER YOU'RE APPROVING IT OR NOT.
IT'S NOT HOW WE NORMALLY DO THINGS.
BUT SINCE THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR VOTE AND SEE IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE CONSENT.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING WE COULD DO IS ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD CONCUR WITH THE CHANGES IN THE RESOLUTION.
IF YOU GET AN AFFIRMATIVE, THEN GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE ITEM ITSELF.
SO WE ARE HAVING WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, TO HAVE THIS BE CONSENT.
SO ARE ALL COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD IN THAT REGARD? DO WE HAVE A VOTE ON THAT? MS. FLORES? YES, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
COMMISSIONER LUNA, YES, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
MR. COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, YOU'RE MUTED.
SEE HIM IN THE MEETING ARE JUST IT LOOKS LIKE HIS SPEAKER OR HIS SPEAKER AND MICROPHONE AND CAMERA ARE OFF.
YEAH, HIS AUDIO HAS BEEN GOING IN AND OUT.
SO I WILL MOVE FORWARD TO COMMISSIONER MEENES.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YES, AND COMMISSIONER STINE.
OK, MOTION PASSES FOR CONSENT FIVE-TWO.
THE, MR. DANA, DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOUR APPLICANT? YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO CARL CRISPIN IS THE APPLICANT AND THE ARCHITECT FOR FOR THE PROJECT, AND HE IS ON THE ON THE MEETING WITH US AND MR. CHRISTMAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR TIME.
WOULD YOU GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? I MEAN THE ADDRESS, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD.
CARL CHRISTMAN ADDRESS OF MY HOME ADDRESS OR THE OFFICE? THE OFFICE IS FINE.
815 CIVIC CENTER DRIVE OCEANSIDE, CALIFORNIA MR. COUNCILMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR DID YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION GIVEN THAT THIS IS NOW A CONSENT ITEM? YOUR COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, WE CONCUR WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR VOTE THEN.
YOU NEED A A MOTION, OBVIOUSLY, BUT YES.
SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS CONSENT ITEM? COMMISSIONER SABELLICO MADE IN THE MOTION.
CAN I STATE MY EMOTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T, IT WAS JUST AN ASSUMED EMOTION HERE.
MY EMOTION IS TO MOVE STAFF'S APPROVAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL MEMO AND WITH THE APPLICANTS AGREEMENTS THROUGH THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY AGREED TO JUST NOW.
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THANK YOU.THANK YOU, COMMISSINER LAFFERTY, APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, ABSENT AND COMMISSIONER MEENES, YES.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YES, COMMISSIONER STINE, YES.
OK, NOW WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.
EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
MR. KAMENJARIN'S AUDIO IS COMING IN AND OUT, AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS SO THAT HE COULD PARTICIPATE, MAYBE JUST BY AUDIO IF WE COULD GET HIM TO CALL IN BY AUDIO? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IT'S MR. CHAIR, I CAN TRY TO CONTACT COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN AND SEE IF WE CAN GET HIS TECHNICAL ISSUE RESOLVED.
OR MAYBE IF YOU COULD JUST PARTICIPATE BY PHONE? SURE.
WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK TILL LET ME SEE IT'S 3:20.
IT WILL BE THREE, JUST THREE TWENTY, WE'LL MAKE IT THREE THIRTY.
YES, MR. CHAIR, WE'RE READY TO BEGIN.
[2. GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE (1 OF 2) ]
MR. KNEW, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER TWO? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.SO WE ARE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO AND IT'S A PROJECT FOR THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN, UPDATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE NOMINATIONS.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE PRINCIPAL PLANNER ERIC LARTY TO MAKE A BRIEF STAFF PRESENTATION.
ERIC WAS HAVING A COMPUTER ISSUE, I THINK I THINK HIS COMPUTERS UNFROZEN SO WELL.
AS SOON AS I SHARED, MY COMPUTER FROZE, BUT I AM BACK.
GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN UPDATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO APPOINT TWO BOARD MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ONE PRIMARY MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE MEMBER.
TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOALS THIS FISCAL YEAR IS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE TO CREATE A NEW PLAN TO MANAGE GROWTH AND CARLSBAD IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS AN EXCELLENT QUALITY OF LIFE.
THE CITY'S CURRENT GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN, CITYWIDE FACILITY PLANS AND THE VOTER APPROVED PROPOSITION E WERE ESTABLISHED IN THE 80S.
THE PLAN LIMITED THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT AND HAD PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ON A NUMBER OF FACILITIES, SUCH AS PARKS, OPEN SPACE AND CIRCULATION.
THIS PLAN WAS INTEGRAL INTO HAVING THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAVE THE EXCELLENT QUALITY OF LIFE IT HAS TODAY.
HOWEVER, THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS CAN COLLUDING ON THE NEED FOR A NEW PLAN.
THE FIRST IS THE CITY'S 90 PERCENT BUILT OUT, SO THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE PAYING INTO THE FACILITY'S PLANS.
AND ADDITIONALLY, NEW HOUSING LAWS PASSED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAVE CHANGED THE DYNAMIC FOR WHAT IS ALLOWED IN A GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN.
ON APRIL SIX, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THEY APPROVED A RESOLUTION FINDING THAT THE HOUSING CAPS IN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN WERE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW AND NO LONGER ENFORCEABLE.
FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, IT'S TIME TO CREATE A NEW PLAN.
ON SEPTEMBER TWENTY EIGHT, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A CHARTER WITH A MISSION TO BALANCE CONSIDERATION OF ISSUES AND IDENTIFY THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE NEW UPDATE TO THE PLAN.
THE COUNCIL ESTABLISHED THE COMMITTEE THAT WILL HAVE 19 MEMBERS, THE FIRST SET REPRESENTING THE APPLICABLE COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS FOR THE CITY AND IN
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THE SECOND SET WITH TWO MEMBERS EACH FOR EACH CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND TWO MEMBERS APPOINTED AT LARGE BY THE MAYOR.THERE'LL BE A TOTAL OF 19 PRIMARY MEMBERS AND 19 ALTERNATE MEMBERS.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT OVER THE NEXT 12 TO 18 MONTHS, THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET ABOUT 12 TIMES AND WE ANTICIPATE IT'LL BE FORMED IN FEBRUARY OF 2022 AND CONCLUDING WITH A REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL TO ASK FOR DIRECTION ON WHAT SHOULD BE THE KEY ELEMENTS INCLUDED IN THE NEW PLAN.
ADDITIONALLY, AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WAS A MEMO PROVIDED THAT REMOVES LANGUAGE FROM THE RESOLUTION.
THAT MEMO WAS PROVIDED, BUT THIS LANGUAGE, WHEREAS RELATING TO THE 18 MONTHS REMAINING ON HIS OR HER TERM, IS REMOVED FROM THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPOINT TWO MEMBERS A PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE TO SERVE ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I HAVE A COMMENT TO MAKE, AND THAT IS IN REGARD TO ALL OF OUR MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS TO THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE DOES NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT.
UNLIKE OUR ITEM, WHICH IS THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS EIGHT MONTHS, MEANING THE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS SELECTED HAS TO HAVE 18 MONTHS ON THE COMMISSION REMAINING IN THEIR TERM.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT IS NOT THE CASE, BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME AS TO WE SELECTING OUR PRIMARY AS WELL AS OUR ALTERNATE.
WE BASICALLY HAVE AND I WANT TO KIND OF REVIEW THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION CURRENTLY THAT HAVE TWO MONTHS REMAINING ON THEIR FIRST TERM.
AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE ALSO TWO OTHER MEMBERS ON OUR COMMISSION THAT HAVE 12 MONTHS REMAINING STARTING IN JANUARY 1ST.
AND SO THEN WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION THAT HAVE MORE THAN THAT THAT EXCEEDS THE 18 MONTHS.
AND SO THEREFORE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WITH LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TWO MEMBERS THAT ONLY HAVE TWO MONTHS LEFT REMAINING UNTIL JANUARY, THEY'RE BOTH IN THEIR FIRST TERM.
AND THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAY BE POSSIBLY EITHER ONE.
MIGHT BE WANTING TO PUT IN THEIR APPLICATIONS FOR THEIR SECOND TERM TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT YET AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. KEMP AND THAT IS AS THE COMMISSION DELIBERATES ON THIS ITEM, DO HOW MANY MEMBERS ARE WE SPEAKING OF THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION? I MEAN, COMMITTEE.
WELL, THERE IS NO RESTRICTION IN THE IN THE DOCUMENTS FOR THIS ONE.
LIKE THERE REASON THE OTHER ONE.
SO THEORETICALLY, ALL SEVEN WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS YOUR RECOMMENDATION, THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE TERMS AND WHETHER THAT WOULD REPRESENT AN ISSUE.
SO THEREFORE, THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE TWO MONTHS REMAINING ON THEIR TERM AT THIS TIME COULD BE CONSIDERED IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS CHOSE TO HAVE THEM BE NOMINATED AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THAT COMMITTEE.
I WOULDN'T SAY THAT ANY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS IN IS INELIGIBLE BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THE SAME WITH THE OTHER REMAINING TEAM MEMBERS THAT TERM OUT HAVE NOT TERM OUT, BUT THEIR TERM ENDS IN DECEMBER OF 22.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SAY THEY AFFIRMED THAT THEY INTEND TO ASK FOR REAPPOINTMENT, I MEAN, THERE'S NO GUARANTEES, OF COURSE, BUT NO, THERE ISN'T.
BUT IF THEY KNOW RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SERVE, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD DECLINE THE APPOINTMENT ANYWAY.
OK, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING.
CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER LUNA, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION SINCE WE DO HAVE SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR A REFRESHER IN THIS 18 MONTH HOOPLA THING THAT COMES AND GOES DEPENDING ON WHAT COMMITTEE AND WHAT THIS OR THAT.
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE APPOINTED TO A COMMISSION OUTSIDE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF YOU COULD HELP SORT OF CLEAR THE AIR AND SET THE GROUND RULES ON ON WHAT EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE ON SOMEONE SERVING AS CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR ON THIS COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE.
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MR., JIM.ARE YOU TALKING, COMMISSIONER LUNA, ABOUT WHETHER SOMEBODY NEXT MONTH WHEN THEY CONSIDER REPLACEMENT FOR THE CHAIR, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A CANDIDATE FOR CHAIR NEXT TIME? YEAH, BASICALLY BY SERVING ON ONE OF THESE COMMISSIONS OUTSIDE OR COMMITTEES OUTSIDE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT IF THEY WANTED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR OF NEXT YEAR, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT OTHER THAN WHETHER THEY HAD THE AVAILABLE TIME AS THEY PERCEIVE THAT TO BE.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN AMOUNT OF FREE TIME AND BEING CHAIR, I WOULD ASSUME, TAKES MORE PREPARATION THAN IT WOULD BE FOR JUST A NON CHAIR COMMISSIONER, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE ALSO A PRETTY GOOD TIME COMMITMENT AS WELL.
SO EACH COMMISSIONER, I WOULD ASSUME, HAS VARYING AMOUNTS OF TIME AND THEY WOULD KNOW BEST WHETHER THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SERVE.
SO IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE A COMMISSIONER FOR SERVING, YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONER MEENES AS CHAIR, AND HE ALSO SERVES ON THE AGRICULTURAL COMMITTEE.
IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE JUST FOR THEIR EDIFICATION, YOU KNOW, BEING A CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION WOULDN'T BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR CLARIFICATION AND EDIFICATION FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE THAT THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM FROM CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY COULD DO BOTH.
I THINK MR. LARDY MAYBE YOU MIGHT, BEFORE WE START DISCUSSION, COULD YOU POSSIBLY PROVIDE TO THE COMMISSIONERS MAYBE A LITTLE INSIGHT? WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS ONE COMMITTEE CURRENTLY THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF WHICH, WHICH IS GROWTH MANAGEMENT AS TO POSSIBLY WHAT THE TIME COMMITMENT IS FORESEEN.
OF COURSE, YOU DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY, BUT MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA.
FOR THIS COMMITTEE, WE ANTICIPATE APPROXIMATELY ONE MEETING A MONTH FOR A PERIOD OF 12 MONTHS, SO THERE WOULD BE PREPARATION STUDYING THE MATERIALS AND FOR THAT.
BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A FULL TIME JOB TYPE POSITION.
DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER LARDY, I REVIEWED THE VIDEO FROM THE COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, WAS VERY INTRIGUED BY IT, AND THERE SEEM TO BE SOME SENSE AMONG THE COUNCIL THAT THIS.
COMMITTEE MAY GO ON BEYOND 12 MONTHS, IT MIGHT BE 15 MONTHS INTO TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
CAN YOU GIVE US ANY INSIGHT ON THAT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT MIGHT GO ON ANOTHER SIX MONTHS OR A TOTAL OF ABOUT 18 MONTHS? THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A MULTIYEAR PROCESS LOOKING AT THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS PHASE OF WORK.
WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 12 MONTHS OF MEETINGS STARTING AND EARLY 2022.
SO WE ARE LOOKING TO CONCLUDE THAT THINGS COULD HAPPEN TO EXTEND IT OUT.
BUT BUT THE NEXT PHASE OF WORK IS ACTUALLY GETTING IN AND UPDATING PLANS AND DOCUMENTS, WHICH WILL BE A SEVERAL YEAR PROCESS.
AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE THIS OR ANOTHER COMMITTEE TO HELP ADVISE THAT WORK EFFORT.
OK, SO FOR CLARIFICATION, THEN YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT ROUGHLY FEBRUARY 2022 TO FEBRUARY 2023, GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE AFTER THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT SAY, HEY, THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
WE WANT YOU TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT YOU PROPOSED.
THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT'S NOT DETERMINED YET, RIGHT? YEAH.
AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, WE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THERE LIKELY WOULD BE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS FOR OUTREACH.
BUT THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE OPTIONS, YES.
AND CAN YOU SHARE FINALLY, THE COUNCIL'S THINKING I KNOW STAFF RECOMMENDED 15 MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE AND IT COMES UP WITH 19.
CAN YOU KIND OF SHARE SOME THOUGHTS FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT AS TO WHY THEY WENT FROM 15 TO 19? THE DISCUSSION OF COUNCIL WAS TO GET A BROADER GROUP OF FOLKS.
WE RECOMMENDED 15 TO TO KEEP THE NUMBER RELATIVELY SMALL.
WE DON'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN GOING TO 19, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL REPRESENTATION.
THE NEXT STEP OF PROCESS IS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL.
ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE COMMISSION AND BOARD REPRESENTATIVES, WE WILL BE SENDING THOSE TO THE
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CITY COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE SHORT BIOGRAPHIES OF THOSE FOLKS.THEN WE WOULD BE DOING A CALL FOR APPLICANTS FOR THE COUNCIL AND AT-LARGE DISTRICT SEATS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE APPOINTING IN THE EARLY MONTHS OF NEXT YEAR.
IN TERMS OF LOGISTICS AGAIN, THE DESIRE WOULD BE IN-PERSON RATHER THAN ZOOM, IF YOU KNOW THE COVID SAFE TO DO SO.
AND WOULD IT BE OVER AT THE FARADAY BUILDING? I WOULD THINK THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS ARE FAR TOO SMALL TO HANDLE 19 PEOPLE AT THE DAIS.
WE HAVEN'T WORKED AT THE OFFICIAL MEETING LOCATION.
HOWEVER, YOU ARE CORRECT, THE DAIS IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER DOES NOT FIT 19 PEOPLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE ALTERNATE MEMBERS PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE ALTERNATE MEMBERS, SO I'M NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR ON HOW IT WORKS.
I MEAN, IS IT KIND OF LIKE BEING AN ALTERNATE JUROR WHERE YOU'RE THERE FOR THE ENTIRE DELIBERATIONS, ALL THE MEETINGS YOU PARTICIPATE? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT THAT YOU HAVE TO VOTE, THEN YOU'RE PREPARED.
SO IT SAYS ON PAGE, I GUESS IT'LL BE ON PAGE TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT.
IT SAYS ALTERNATE MEMBERS WILL BE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND MEETINGS, LISTEN TO LISTEN AND PARTICIPATE AS ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND THAT SENTENCE IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
I MEAN, IS IT A SERIOUS PROBLEM IF THE ALTERNATE MEMBER IS NOT PRESENCE OR OR IS IT LIKE KIND OF OK.
I MEAN, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, THE REASON WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE ULTIMATE MEMBERS OF ATTEND IS SIMILAR TO YOUR JURY SCENARIO SO THAT THEY THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY UNDERSTAND AND WOULD BE ABLE TO FILL IN IF THE PRIMARY WAS NOT THERE.
THE REASON WE PHRASED IT THAT WAY IS WE'RE SAYING THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE VOTING MEMBERS UNLESS THE PRIMARY WAS NOT THERE, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME AND PARTICIPATE AND THESE MEETINGS WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANYBODY.
OK, THANK YOU, THAT CLARIFIES MY QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, ANY COMMENTS BY YOURSELF? NO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE, ARE WE GOING TO VOTE PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY IF THERE IS A VOTE? IT WILL, I ASSUME MR. KEMP, IT WILL BE PUBLIC.
MR. KAMENJARIN ANYTHING FURTHER? NO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BY ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER LUNA MR. CHAIR, REAL QUICK, I JUST WANTED TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE END THIS ITEM OR GET INTO ENDING THIS ITEM.
IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.
IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED, SO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
AND MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND NOMINATE COMMISSIONER STINE.
HE HAS THE PERFECT ACUMEN FOR THIS COMMITTEE WHO WAS ORIGINALLY INTERESTED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A CRITICAL PART OF THIS.
HE UNDERSTANDS THAT, HE UNDERSTANDS HOW WE ARRIVED AT WHERE WE HAVE BEEN.
AS I'VE OBSERVED HIM OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OF HIM JOINING THE COMMISSION, I TOOK A LOOK AT THE COMMITTEE'S MISSION STATEMENT.
AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO IS ELIGIBLE COMMISSIONER MEENES AND MYSELF, I MEAN, IT'S NO SECRET WE'RE TERMING OUT WHETHER WE GET ELECTED OR NOT.
AND I AM ABSOLUTELY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SITTING ON A COMMISSION, NOT KNOWING OR A COMMITTEE OR BEING APPOINTED TO ONE WITHOUT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE REAPPOINTED OR NOT, IT'S NOT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO APPOINTED US.
AND I THINK THIS PROVIDES A FABULOUS OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW THOSE COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE NOT SERVED ON A COMMITTEE COMMISSIONER OR CHAIRMAN
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MEENES, MYSELF, COMMISSIONER MERZ, HAVE ALL SERVED ON COMMITTEES AND IN THE PAST, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MERZ WHEN MR., MEENES AND I JOINED WERE VERY GOOD AT ENCOURAGING THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SERVED ON OTHER COMMITTEES TO SERVE ON IT, AND THAT IT ENHANCES THE COMMISSIONER'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE CITY, THEIR WORKING GROUP.THEY CONTRIBUTE A LOT AND THEY APPOINTED YOU FOR A REASON.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER STINE, AS FAR AS PROMOTING A BALANCED CONSIDERATION OF A RANGE OF PERSPECTIVES ON ISSUES AFFECTING THE FUTURE GROWTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN CARLSBAD, YOU HAVE SHOWN THAT NUMEROUS TIMES REVIEWING PROJECTS.
YOUR CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS ARE STELLAR.
YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL A NUMBER OF ISSUES TOGETHER.
YOU TALK LAYMEN SPEAK WITH A LAWYER BACKGROUND.
YOUR ANALYTICAL SKILLS AND YOUR ACUMEN ARE EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL, BUT YET CARING.
AND I'VE SEEN YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAY HAVE STEPPED IN AN AREA WHERE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD WORKSHOPS WHERE THE COMMISSION IS NOT FAMILIAR AND YOU HAVE GRACIOUSLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT.
AND OK, SO YOU'RE NOT ONE, YOU'RE ONE THAT'S ALWAYS MOVING FORWARD.
AND I THINK IT'S ALSO COMMENDABLE AS YOU'RE THE ONLY COMMISSIONER THAT'S BEEN APPOINTED OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT THAT YOU LIVE.
THAT'S THAT'S A HUGE COMPLIMENT.
AND I FEEL SINCERELY THAT YOU FEEL ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN CARLSBAD AND THAT YOU ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE AND EXPERIENCED OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE NOT SERVED ON A COMMITTEE YET TO DATE.
I, I I THINK THAT YOU ARE JUST A NATURAL FOR THIS AND I KNOW IT'S A TIME COMMITMENT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK YOU ARE, YOU ARE EXTREMELY SUITED FOR IT, AND I WOULD BE VERY PROUD TO HAVE YOU ACCEPT THIS NOMINATION AND REPRESENT US ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ELEMENT COMMITTEE.
WELL, SAID COMMISSIONER LUNA, I WAS EXCELLENT.
YES, I I WILL STATE THAT I ALSO AGREE WITH MANY OF THE STATEMENTS THAT YOU HAD MADE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER STINE WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE FOR THE PRIMARY OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.
OTHER COMMENTS BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS IN REGARD TO COMMISSIONER LUNA'S RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LUNA, AND I THINK THAT THE VALUE COMMISSIONER STINE WOULD BRING TO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT WOULD BE THE ABILITY FOR HIM TO UNDERSTAND AND BE ABLE TO REACT TO THE HOUSING LAWS AND THE CAPS THAT ARE BEING PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND FROM A NON ATTORNEY BACKGROUND.
I THINK, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GETTING EASIER AND I THINK THAT HE WOULD BRING SOMETHING TO THAT COMMISSION, TO THAT APPOINTMENT THAT WOULD REALLY HELP THE REST OF OUR PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT'S TRICKLING DOWN TO OUR LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTION THAT IF WE COULD APPROVE MR. STINE'S APPOINTMENT, YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, YOUR STATEMENT AS WELL SAID IN REGARD TO THE IMPACT OF LEGISLATION COMING DOWN FROM SACRAMENTO ON HOUSING, I THINK THAT ALL OF US WRANGLE WITH THAT CONSTANTLY ON EVERY DECISION WE MAKE ON THIS COMMISSION.
AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER STINE WOULD BE IDEAL FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CUTTING THROUGH THE THE RED TAPE, ET CETERA, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY, PRETTY DETAILED COMMISSION.
I MEAN, IN COMMITTEE, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER STINE, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
OF COURSE, I CAN'T SEE ANY FINGERS OR HANDS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? I WOULD SECOND THE NOMINATION.
AND LET'S GO BACK TO MR. COMMISSIONER STINE.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON BEING A POSSIBLE NOMINEE? FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY I'M HUMBLED AND TOUCHED BY THE KIND WORDS I DIDN'T EXPECT.
BUT YES, I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO SERVE.
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I KNOW IT'S QUITE A COMMITMENT, BUT GROWTH MANAGEMENT IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY SINCE I WAS IN LAW SCHOOL, AND I WON'T TELL YOU HOW MANY YEARS AGO THAT WAS.THAT WAS QUITE A LONG TIME AGO, BUT YES, IT WAS SOMETHING I WOULD WELCOME.
IT'S A TREMENDOUS TIME COMMITMENT, BUT BY GOLLY WROTE MY SLEEVES AND DO MY BEST.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS IN REGARD TO COMMISSIONER STINE.
ALL RIGHTY, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY AND COMMISSIONER LUNA, LUNA, YOU, COMMISSIONER LUNA, YOU MADE A MOTION AND IT WAS SECONDED BY,DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN SECOND IT.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, OK, KAMENJARIN, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
AND COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, YES.
COMMISSIONER MEENES, YES, OF COURSE.
COMMISSOINER SABELLICO, AYE., COMMISSIONER STINE, YES, THANK YOU.
OK, NOW WE NEED TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.
DO WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR SOME DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS? I'M NOT SEEING ANY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN ANY COMMENT BY YOURSELF.
I AM INTERESTED IN SOMEONE ELSE ACTING AS AN ALTERNATE OTHER THAN MYSELF.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF A DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER STINE? YES, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN KIND OF PULL AND SEE IF THERE IS ONE OR MORE COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING AN ALTERNATE FOR THIS COMMISSION? ARE THERE ANYTHING ARE ANY OF YOU INTERESTED IN SERVING IN AN ALTERNATE FOR THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE? I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF RAISED HANDS.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S WE COULD VERY EASILY.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE CAN GO AHEAD AND AND HAVE ONE? WE COULD POLL OR WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE A HAVE A COMMISSIONER.
I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, NOMINATE SOMEONE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WELL, NOTHING SAYS HE HAS TO BE PRESENT.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S JUST DECORUM.
I'M WITH COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
LET ME ADD ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO BE AWARE OF.
ALTHOUGH HE IS NOT, HE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT AT OUR MEETING TODAY.
BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, HE DID.
AS YOU KNOW, HE IS ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT COMMITTEE AND HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST YEAR, HAS ENJOYED IT.
HE DID GO AHEAD AND BECAUSE HE ISN'T HERE THIS EVENING.
COMMISSIONER MERZ DID PROVIDE AN EMAIL TO MR. NEW, INDICATING HIS INTEREST IN BEING REAPPOINTED FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE A SECOND TIME.
SO I WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT TO YOU TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT HE DOES HAVE THAT INTEREST IN THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN, GIVEN HE'S NOT HERE, THAT WE COULDN'T PROCEED ON WITH THE NOMINATION DISCUSSION WE'VE JUST HAD.
COMMISSIONER STINE, YEAH, GIVEN THE TIME COMMITMENT INVOLVED IN THIS, WHETHER YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO GO ON AND ONCE A MONTH FOR A YEAR OR SO, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO I.
PETER MERZ IS AN EXCELLENT COMMISSIONER, WORKS VERY HARD, BUT I'M REALLY PRESENT RETICENT TO SUGGEST THAT HE BE NOMINATED.
I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT HE WOULD NEED TO BE HERE TO, FIRST OF ALL, INDICATE HIS.
I HAVE NO IDEA I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIM.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISSERVICE TO DO THAT, PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING THE NATURE OF THE COMMITMENT HERE.
SO I MY MIND, I THINK WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT TO THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE
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PRESENT TODAY AND VOTE ON ONE OF THOSE.THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STINE, COMMISSIONER LUNA.
YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, I THINK COMMISSIONER SABELLICO AND I WERE IT WAS WE WERE DOING THAT MORE IN JEST, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
SO I'M SORRY THAT WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO A FELLOW COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU THAT MIGHT APPLY OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER MEENES AND I, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE REEMPLOYED REAPPOINTED.
SO WE GET A NICE LITTLE PASS HERE.
WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD YOU ENVISION THIS ALTERNATE? I KNOW, I KNOW, MR. MR.. ERIC, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN VISION, BUT I KNOW YOU, COMMISSIONER STINE, AND I'VE SEEN YOUR WORK AND I DON'T REALLY SEE THE ALTERNATE.
NO OFFENSE TO THE ALTERNATE, REALLY HAVING TO DO MUCH OF ANYTHING AT ALL YOU.
YOU WILL MEET ALL THE MEETINGS.
AND I THINK IF THERE IS AN ABSENT OR YOU'RE I MEAN, YOU DON'T MISS A MEETING FOR ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S, YOU KNOW.
SO I THINK THE HEAVY WEIGHT THAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT AND MAYBE I'M JUST PROJECTING, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE IT THERE.
LET ME LET ME LET ME ADD ONE THING, COMMISSIONER LUNA IS THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT THE CHANCES OF COMMISSIONER STINE PRETTY MUCH HANDLING IT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 12 MONTHS OR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, THE ALTERNATE MOST LIKELY WILL HAVE TO, IF NOT BE PRESENT, AT LEAST WILL HAVE TO BE A PART OF THOSE MEETINGS.
HE MIGHT HE OR SHE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE PARTICIPATING, BUT WILL BE OBSERVING AND OR LISTENING IN SOME FASHION, BE IT BY ZOOM OR BY IT BY BEING IN THE AUDIENCE.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT TO BE ABLE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO STEP IN, THEY PROBABLY STILL NEED TO BE PRETTY COGNIZANT OF DISCUSSIONS AND PROCESS THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD.
WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RECORDINGS AVAILABLE TO WHOM I KNOW A LOT OF LIKE I KNOW A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS HERE.
YOU KNOW, THEY LISTEN TO THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THE PROCEDURES IN THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOU, MR. KEMP.
WELL, I'M WEIGHING IN JUST BECAUSE WE DO.
EVEN IF IT WAS MEANT IN JEST, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WAS SECONDED.
SO WE EITHER NEED TO HAVE A WITHDRAWN OR I WOULD WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE.
SO I THINK THEY COULD LISTEN TO RECORDINGS.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD STAY.
SO I MEAN, ERIC'S NODDING HIS HEAD.
YES, I DON'T THINK AS FAR AS A PHYSICAL COMMITMENT.
I MEAN, I'M TRYING REALLY HARD HERE TO GET SOMEONE TO OFFER UP TO BE THE COMMISSIONER STINE'S ALTERNATE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE THE PRIMARY COMMISSIONER STINE.
LET ME LET ME INTERJECT REAL QUICK.
MR. LARDY POSSIBLY COULD YOU PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN REGARD TO TIME, COMMITMENT AND OR MY WHAT I WAS STATING IN MY OBSERVATION WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON AND MAYBE COMMISSIONER LUNA IS RIGHT ON RIGHT SPOT ON IN REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN LOOK BACK ON THE ON THE VIDEO AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE ALTERNATE COMMITMENT TO THIS, YOU KNOW, POSITION? YEAH, SO.
CHAIR MEENES COMMISSIONER LUNA, WHAT WE SEE IS THE ALTERNATE'S COMMITMENT IS THAT IF THE PRIMARY WAS NOT AVAILABLE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND BE FAMILIAR WITH THE MATERIAL TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND TAKE ACTIONS ON.
AS WAS ALLUDED TO, THESE WILL BE RECORDED AND POSTED ONLINE.
AND SO I THINK IT'S THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FOR ATTENDANCE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS TIME.
AND SO A LOT OF IT WILL BE UP TO THE ALTERNATE HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE.
PART OF THE REASON WE PUT IT IN THE STAFF REPORT IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL TENANTS WERE STILL ALLOWED TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS AND PARTICIPATE LIKE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY MANDATORY FOR THE ALTERNATES.
YES, AND THAT WAS THE REASON WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAS WITHIN THE AGENDA ITEM AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, DID YOU HAVE A COLOR? YEAH, LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION.
SINCE TWO OF OUR COMMISSIONERS MAY OR MAY NOT BE REAPPOINTED AND WILLING TO SERVE.
AND SINCE ONE OF THEM IS IN ABSENTIA.
WHY DON'T WE JUST DEFER ANY DECISION ON THE ALTERNATE BILL SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD?
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THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT GOING TO START UNTIL FEBRUARY.PRESUMABLY WE COULD ADDRESS THIS AT ONE OF OUR SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS EITHER THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR.
I'M THINKING AGAIN MR. LARDY OR MR. NEU, YOU MIGHT ADD ON.
I THINK A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE TONIGHT IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT BE A PART OF THE AGENDA TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN REGARD TO THE NOMINEES.
IS THAT TRUE? WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE ALL OF OUR COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS MADE BY THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER SO THAT THEY CAN BE TRANSMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL ALL TOGETHER IN A MEMO, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO CONCLUDE THE APPOINTMENTS BY THE END AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STINE.
BEING THAT'S THE CASE, WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY OF HAVING ALTERNATE HERE.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THEN? WE HAVE ONE MR. NEU.
WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING IN EARLY DECEMBER, THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN CARRY THIS MATTER.
CONTINUE THE SELECTION OF AN ALTERNATE TILL THEN.
PRESUMABLY COMMISSIONER MERZ WILL BE BACK THEN.
THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE IT SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHT AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME AND STILL STAY ON THE CITY COUNCIL TIME FRAME TO PROVIDE THEM WITH TWO NAMES.
COULD WE NOT? YES, COMMISSIONER STINE, I THINK THAT COULD WORK.
LOGISTICALLY, I THINK WE CAN INSERT THE NAME INTO THE COUNCIL PACKET LATER IN THE PROCESS.
EVERYBODY GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT.
I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WOULD BE MY INTENTION TO BE AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING THAT CAN BE.
AND IF I CAN'T BE, I WOULD MOST LIKELY ABSENT SICKNESS OR AN EMERGENCY BE ABLE TO ADVISE THE ALTERNATE AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT SHE OR SHE COULD BE THERE IN MY IN MY STEAD.
I WOULD HOPE TO GIVE THEM A LEG TIME SO THAT THEY COULD PERFORM THE FUNCTIONS OF A COMMITTEE MEMBER.
MR. CAMP, ANY COMMENT? NO, I THINK I THINK WE DO HAVE A DECEMBER FOUR MEETING SCHEDULE THAT CURRENTLY IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SCHEDULING.
I MEAN, IF ERIC AND DON THINK THAT THAT APPOINTMENT COULD WAIT, AND THAT'S FINE.
THE ONE SUGGESTION I WAS GOING TO MAKE COMMISSIONER STINE JUST MADE, WHICH IS THAT HE COULD MAKE A COMMITMENT, THAT HE WOULD BRIEF ANYBODY WHO WAS THE ALTERNATE, THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE MAYBE NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY ATTEND.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN OUR OFFICE WHEN SOMEBODY TAKES A VACATION, WE'RE ALL ATTORNEYS AND WE GET VACATIONS TOO.
SO WE BRIEF EACH OTHER AND SAY, I'VE GOT THIS MATTER COMING UP AND WE TELL THEM WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM AND THANK THEM PROFUSELY AND AND OFF WE GO.
I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT COMMISSIONER STINE WOULD DO THE SAME THING AND PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE GOING IN THERE COLD.
GOOD COMMENT, APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
THANK YOU, I WAS I'M NOT TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF SHIRKING RESPONSIBILITY, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE STRATEGIC HERE BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE TO NOMINATE FOR AND THAT ONE NOT NOT RECOMMENDS REQUIRES THE SELECTED PERSON TO HAVE 18 MONTHS.
AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE HOPING THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO VOLUNTEER FOR BOTH OF THESE COMMITTEES.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, EAGER TO EAGER TO JUMP FOR THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT COMMITTEE AND I ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO DO.
I JUST CANNOT DO BOTH OF THEM.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT LIKE SOLVING THIS PROBLEM FOR YOU GUYS.
OH, DO YOU WANT TO DO WE WANT TO MAYBE.
GO TO ITEM THREE AND FOUR AND COME BACK TO ITEM TWO, AND THAT MIGHT MAKE THE DECISION EASIER.
MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPTION.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE SELECTED THE PRIMARIES, SO WE CAN WE CAN DO THREE AND FOUR AND THEN REVISIT THE THE ALTERNATE FOR THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.
MR. KEMP, DO WE, HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS THREE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME BEING, IT'S
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STILL AN OPEN AGENDA ITEM.WELL, YOU CAN JUST CONTINUE IT TO THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT YOU NEED A MOTION AND YOU NEED A SECOND.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LUNA, TO CARRY THIS ITEM TO THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
OK, VOTE, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
THANK YOU, MS. FLORES, APPRECIATE IT.
ALL RIGHTY, MR. NEU, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER THREE.
[3. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT ADVISORY COMMITTEE VACANCY]
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO SHOW YOU JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES, HOPEFULLY I WON'T HAVE A TECHNICAL ISSUE.
HOPE I DON'T REGRET THIS DECISION.
CAN YOU CONFIRM FOR ME THAT YOU'RE SEEING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT? WE ARE.
I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.
THIS IS A COMMITTEE STAFFED BY OUR HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE COMMISSION NOMINATE A MEMBER TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
IT'S A SEVEN MEMBER COMMITTEE.
THERE'S ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, ONE SENIOR COMMISSIONER, A HOUSING COMMISSIONER, AND THEN THERE WILL BE FOUR RESIDENTS OF REPRESENTING EACH OF THE FOUR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
THE TERM OF THIS COMMITTEE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, IT IS A TWO YEAR TERM, SO THERE'S TWO CYCLES OF PROJECTS THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL CONSIDER.
SO YOU SEE THE TERM BEING MAY OF 2021 TO MAY OF 2023.
THE PURPOSE WOULD BE TO CONSIDER THE NEEDS OF LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AND EVALUATE THE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FROM DIFFERENT SERVICE PROVIDERS AND ORGANIZATIONS, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW PARTICULAR FUNDS SHOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE COMMITTEE MEMBER TASKS ARE COMMITMENTS, AS YOU SEE HERE.
YOU'D BE ASKED TO ATTEND A BRIEFING EACH YEAR ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM IF YOU'D BE INVOLVED IN A MEETING WHERE YOU INTERVIEW THE ORGANIZATIONS MAKING PROPOSALS AND REQUESTS FOR FUNDING.
YOU WOULD EVALUATE AND SCORE THE PROPOSALS BASED ON SOME STANDARDIZED CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED AND THEN AS A GROUP, BE DEVELOPING THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO USE THE MONIES ALLOCATED TO THE CITY FOR THIS PURPOSE.
SO OUR REQUEST TO YOU TODAY IS TO NOMINATE A SINGLE COMMISSIONER TO SERVE ON THIS TWO YEAR ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THERE ARE NO 18 MONTH TERM REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH ON THIS ONE.
AND I WILL STOP SHARING THAT SO YOU CAN DISCUSS THE ITEM.
AND AGAIN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THIS PARTICULAR PERSON WOULD SERVE FOR TWO YEAR TERM.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER MERZ HAS SERVED ON THIS THE MOST RECENT TWO YEAR PERIOD.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, HE DID INDICATE THAT NO OTHER COMMISSIONER WAS INTERESTED HE WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE ANOTHER TERM.
BUT HE DID SAY HE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY AWAY FROM ANYONE THAT MAY BE INTERESTED.
YES, TOO BAD, COMMISSIONER MERZ IS NOT HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE COULD VERY EASILY BE CONSIDERED FOR ANOTHER BEING A NOMINEE FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
BUT YET WE DO NOT KNOW HIS WILLINGNESS TO DO SO.
WE DO KNOW ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE BECAUSE HE'S SERVING ON IT NOW.
SO WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER LUNA? OR COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIDE IS ON YOU.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR IT, AND COMMISSIONER MERZ IS ONE OF THEM.
HE'S INDICATED TO HIS INTEREST, SO I THINK WE SHOULD NOMINATE HIM AND I WILL MAKE THAT A MOTION.
FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER LUNA.
NO, I WAS JUST I KNOW COMMISSIONER MERZ, AND HE'S VERY GRACIOUS AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HIS INTENT WAS IF NOBODY ELSE WANTED TO SERVE ON IT AND HE'S ALREADY DONE, YOU
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KNOW, TWO YEARS AND IT COMES UP A TWO YEAR CYCLE AND HIS APPOINTMENT, HE COULD COME UP AGAIN.SO IF SOMEBODY WAS INTERESTED IN DOING TWO YEAR TERM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK HE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOMEONE WHO HASN'T SERVED ON SOMETHING OUTSIDE IF IT'S THEIR DESIRE.
NO, I THINK, I THINK WANTED TO OPEN THAT UP.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER LUNA, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND YOU MADE THAT COMMENT EARLIER ON WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMISSIONER STINE.
STINE'S ON HIS COMMITTEE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND WE DO HAVE NEW COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK YOUR STATEMENT THERE IS RIGHT ON SPOT ON, IN FACT.
SO I FULLY AGREE IN THAT REGARD.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HERE THIS EVENING THAT IS HAS A DESIRE FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE? OK.
COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, ANY STATEMENT? I'VE SERVED ON BLOCK GRANT COMMITTEES FOR YEARS WHEN I SERVED ON ANOTHER CITY, BOARD.
BUT IF WE THINK MR. MERZ WANTS TO CONTINUE.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.
SO COMMISSIONER, PARDON, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, COMMISSIONER MERZ, AT LEAST IN THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THEM, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST TWO AND AN EMAIL EXCHANGE.
HE WASN'T NECESSARILY AT LEAST IT WAS MY IMPRESSION ASKING TO SERVE.
HE BASICALLY SAID IF YOU CAN'T FIND SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN DOING THAT SHOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT.
NO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED IT OPEN UP TO SEE IF OTHERS HAD A DESIRE IN THAT REGARD.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN GIVING IT A WHIRL FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, SINCE YOU'RE QUALIFIED? POSSIBLY.
I'M SORT OF RESTING MY CARDS TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE REST OF THIS AGENDA.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS TO THE SECOND TO THE END.
AND LET'S JUST LET'S WE SHOULD HAVE PULLED THAT ITEM FIRST.
JUST DOING SOME BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH HERE.
WE HAVE THREE MORE APPOINTMENTS TO MAKE.
TWO OF THEM REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS WITH AT LEAST SOME TIME LEFT ON THEIR TERM AND THEN THE LAST ONE IT REALLY SENDS COMMISSIONER STINE DOESN'T HAVE 18 MONTHS.
IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION WISE TO HAVE THE ALTERNATE HAVE 18 MONTHS JUST IN CASE.
SO THERE'S THREE OF US THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND THEN THERE'S THREE APPOINTMENTS TO MAKE.
SO IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO APPOINT OR NOMINATE RATHER COMMISSIONER MERZ AND THE OTHER TWO, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE TO ACCEPT THEM, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER MERZ FOR THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT COMMITTEE, SINCE HE HAS INDICATED THAT HE'S AT LEAST WILLING.
I WON'T SAY INTERESTED, BUT HE'S WILLING TO DO IT.
THEN BILL AND I CAN KIND OF LIKE.
ARGUE ABOUT WHO GOES INTO THE OTHER TWO SPOTS.
I, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO IN THAT AT LEAST WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
COMMISSIONER MERZ HAS INDICATED INTEREST AND HE HASN'T BECAUSE HE'S NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
YOU KNOW, CANNOT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CHIME IN IN REGARD TO INTEREST IN THE OTHERS.
SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF FEEL THAT WE REALLY SHOULD, GIVEN THAT THE CASE.
I WOULD HATE TO GO AHEAD AND AND NOT AND MAYBE POSSIBLY NOMINATE HIM FOR ANOTHER SLOT AND THEN FIND OUT LATER THAT HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN THAT AND WOULD NOT WANT TO SERVE.
SO IT KIND OF HELPS A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING.
COMMISSIONER LUNA, I THINK I THINK WE'RE...
FOLLOWING THAT SAME TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
IT'S LIKE YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN YOU WANT TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER MERZ AND WHEN YOU NOT, YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.
SO HE'S NOT HERE TO ME THEN YOU KNOW WHAT HE KNEW THIS APPOINTMENT WAS COMING UP
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AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AND SO I'M BEING BEING VERY PRAGMATIC HERE AND FOLLOWING PLANNING, YOU KNOW, WE DO.WE DO OPERATE BY CERTAIN RULES OF ORDER AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE NOMINATING HIM.
SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN TO FILL THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT POSITION.
COMMISSIONER, I WOULD ACCEPT IT.
I WOULD ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LUNA, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
WITHOUT SEEING BILL'S FACE HERE AND ON MY SCREEN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER STINE.
TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
MR. CHAIR TO CALL FOR ANY SPEAKERS ON THE SITE AND BEFORE BEFORE THE VOTE, PLEASE.
ANY SPEAKERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SITE AND PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR MINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE VOTE.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, APPROVE.
DO I GET TO VOTE OR DO I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF? MR. KEMP, YOU CAN VOTE.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YES, COMMISSIONER STINE.
I THINK YOU MOTION PASSES SIX WITH ONE ABSENT.
SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST FOR A NOMINATION TO THE VILLAGE
[4. AMEND 2021-0008, AMEND 2021-0009 - VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECT (DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE NOMINATION)]
AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN FOR THE LONG RUN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ASSOCIATE PLANNER SHELLEY GLENNON, WHO WILL GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION, INCLUDING THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS NOMINATION.
AND WE CAN SEE YOU ON THE SCREEN YOU'RE ON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR MEENES AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
SHELLEY GLENNON, ASSOCIATE PLANNER, PRESENTING TO YOU A REQUEST TO NOMINATE ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO SERVE ON A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON DRAFT VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.
IN JULY 2017, THE STATE ENACTED SB THIRTY FIVE, REQUIRING ALL LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO PROVE QUALIFIED MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECTS BASED ON OBJECTIVE REGULATORY STANDARDS.
IN DECEMBER OF 2019, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO FORM AN AD HOC DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH A CONSULTANT ON DEVELOPING OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND A POTENTIAL PALETTE OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES FOR THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN AREA.
THIS PAST OCTOBER, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH AVRP STUDIOS TO PREPARE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITHIN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO AREA, AS WELL AS A CHARTER FOR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE STANDARDS.
AS DISCUSSED IN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE CHARTER, THE MISSION FOR THE COMMITTEE IS TO PARTICIPATE IN AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE IN DEVELOPING NEW OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, INCLUDING POTENTIAL PALETTE OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STYLES.
THE COMMITTEE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING THE STREAMLINED APPROVAL PROCESS THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE DESIGN COMMITTEE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ACCURATELY REPLACES ALL SUBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES WHILE STILL PRESERVING THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN AREA.
FOR CLARIFICATION, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE CLEARLY DEFINED AND INVOLVE NO PERSONAL OR SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT BY A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.
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WHEREAS SUBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES ARE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND WOULD RELY ON DISCRETION OF APPROVAL.THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET APPROXIMATELY THREE TIMES WITHIN A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME.
THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE PROVIDES FOR ADEQUATE REPRESENTATION AND PERSPECTIVES NEEDED FOR THE SPECIFIC TASK OF REVIEWING AND PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS ON OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND MIXED USE PROJECTS WITHIN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO AREA.
THERE ARE NINE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WHICH INCLUDES ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, ONE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER, TWO VILLAGE AND TWO BARRIO RESIDENTS AND TWO PROFESSIONAL EXPERTS IN MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DESIGN, PREFERABLY IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO AREA AND ONE VILLAGE IN BARRIO BUSINESS OWNER REPRESENTATIVE.
THERE ARE TWO APPOINTMENT PROCESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING IMPLEMENTED AS LISTED HERE.
THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT PROCESS REQUIRES THAT THE COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE REPRESENTATIVE RECOMMEND THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS OWNER POSITIONS, WHILE THE MAYOR PRO TEM WILL RECOMMEND THE TWO PROFESSIONAL EXPERT POSITIONS.
THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON ALL OF THESE CITIZEN COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE APPOINTMENTS, WHICH IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
FOR THE COMMISSIONER APPOINTMENTS, EACH COMMISSIONER IS ASKED TO NOMINATE ONE COMMISSIONER TO SERVE ON THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THE COMMISSIONER'S AVAILABILITY THROUGHOUT THE COMMITTEE SITUATION.
YES, COMMITTEES DURATION THE NOMINATED COMMISSIONERS SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 18 MONTHS REMAINING ON THEIR TERMS ONCE A NOMINATION IS MADE IT WILL BE SENT TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR REVIEW.
THE MAYOR PRO TEM WILL THEN CONFIRM THE COMMISSION'S NOMINATION AND REPORT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
THE FIRST DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING IS ANTICIPATED TO OCCUR THE BEGINNING OF 2022.
IT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT A RESOLUTION NOMINATING ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO SERVE ON THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON THE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
SO I DO WANT TO CLARIFY AGAIN IN THIS PARTICULAR REGARD, BEING THAT THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE DOES REQUIRE AN 18 MONTH PERSON, A PERSON WHO HAS AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 18 MONTHS REMAINING ON THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION TERM.
THAT BASICALLY LEAVES THREE MEMBERS THAT OR BEYOND AND CAN MAKE THE 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, EARLY IN THIS MEETING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION OF MR. KEMP IN REGARD TO OTHER MEMBERS THAT MAY, MAYBE POSSIBLY MIGHT HAVE LESS THAN 18 MONTHS ON THEIR TERM.
AND COULD THEY BE CONSIDERED? AND I ASSUME AND WHAT I HAD HEARD FROM MR. KEMP WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT DECISION IF THEY CHOOSE TO APPOINT A PERSON TO THAT FOR THAT AND THEN BE THE NOMINEE, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE LESS THAN 18 MONTHS.
BUT THAT BEING THE CASE, IT COULD BE THAT THERE POSSIBLY COULD BE SOME ISSUES IN REGARD TO THAT.
SO, MR. KEMP, DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY? I WAS ANSWERING A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE CHAIRPERSON, I THINK, IS WHAT AT THE TIME COULD SERVE BOTH AS THE CHAIR AND ON THE COMMISSION.
WE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN BRIEFINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK I WILL FIND IT HERE IN THE MEETING ON THIS ONE.
BUT I GUESS MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE THAT, BY THE CHARTER'S DEFINITION, ARE ELIGIBLE.
ALL THREE PEOPLE WHO ARE ELIGIBLE DECLINED TO SERVE, I SUPPOSE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD NOMINATE THE NEXT BEST CHOICE WHEN YOU KNOW, WHATEVER FACTORS LENGTH OF TIME LEFT ON TERM, WHATEVER, AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY COULD EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT THAT SINCE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEET THE CRITERIA.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DO IT THEN YOU HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO LOOK ELSEWHERE.
SO THAT BEING THE CASE AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO THAT BEING THE CASE, WE HAVE BASICALLY THREE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION THAT HAVE MORE THAN, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, 18 MONTHS LEFT ON THEIR TERM ON THIS COMMISSION.
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AND OUT OF THOSE THREE, WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND NOMINATED ONE TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.AND THEN WE HAVE TWO REMAINING AT THIS TIME.
SO THEREFORE, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
YES, FURTHER CLARIFICATION FROM MR. KEMP WITH REGARD TO THIS 18 MONTHS AS I LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT.
THE APPOINTED PERSON IS ANTICIPATING THREE MEETINGS BETWEEN DECEMBER THIS YEAR AND DECEMBER NEXT YEAR.
OK, I'M I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY THIS 18 MONTHS AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS 18 MONTHS IS CARVED IN STONE.
IT'S THE CHARTER, IT'S A LAW AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT? THE EIGHT MONTHS PLACE MR. CAMP.
I CAN'T SPEAK AS TO THE WORK SCHEDULE AND HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
I I UNDERSTAND I READ THE SAME THING YOU DID THAT IT'S 12 MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT COUNCIL ASKED FOR 18 MONTHS AND THAT.
WOULD BE WHAT WE POTENTIALLY SHOULD GIVE THEM.
BUT IF THAT ISN'T AVAILABLE, THEN YOU WOULD GO FOR YOUR ANOTHER CHOICE AND SEE IF THAT WOULD SUFFICE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER STINE? YES, THANK YOU.
I LIKE TO DEFER TO COMMON SENSE IS I THINK MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES DO UP HERE, AND I THINK PROBABLY WHEN THE 18 MONTH REQUIREMENT WAS PROMULGATED DIDN'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT WHO ON THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS WERE QUALIFIED.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY DOUBT IN ANYBODY'S MIND THAT COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS UNEQUIVOCALLY QUALIFIED UH, FOR THIS POSITION AND FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER STINE COMMENT, THE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE HELD WITHIN A YEAR.
SHE HAS THE EDUCATION SHE TEACHES.
I MEAN, HOW MANY OF US MEETING AFTER MEETING HAVE HAVE LISTENED TO HER ON OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS? SHE LIVES IN THE FIRST DISTRICT AND I JUST THINK THAT WITH ALL THE MOVING PARTS THAT POSSIBLY THIS 18 MONTHS WAS WAS IMPOSED WITHOUT TAKING A LOOK AT WHO OUR MOST QUALIFIED MEMBER WOULD BE TO SIT ON THE COMMITTEE.
SO I'D LIKE TO GO OUT ON A LIMB A LITTLE BIT, AND MAYBE MY COLLEAGUES CAN MARINATE ON THIS FOR A MINUTE OR SO IS I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE ADVANCE COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY APPOINTMENT WITH AND REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION BASED ON HER, ON HER QUALIFICATIONS.
SHE IS IN MY MIND, THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON ON THIS COMMISSION TO HOLD THAT POSITION, AND WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THREE MEETINGS, AND AS COMMISSIONER STINE POINTED OUT, IT'S A YEAR IF THAT AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE 18 MONTH IS APPLICABLE, SO I'M ERRING ON THE SIDE OF COMMON SENSE.
YEAH, I THINK, COMMISSIONER LUNA, YOU'RE RIGHT ON FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY'S QUALIFICATIONS, AND THAT'S BEEN PARTLY MY CONCERN THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS BECAUSE I FELT, FEEL THE SAME WAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT REQUIREMENT OF THE 18 MONTHS.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT DID NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AT ALL.
AND YET AT THE SAME TIME, HERE WE HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S STELLAR FOR THAT POSITION.
AND YET IF WE WENT BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW USING THAT TERM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION.
AND HERE WE HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT COULD VERY EASILY END UP BEING AVAILABLE.
AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S GOING TO APPLY FOR HER NEXT SECOND TERM OR NOT.
BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, IF THESE MEETINGS OCCUR WITHIN THE FIRST 12 MONTHS OF THIS COMMITTEE, SHE STILL WILL BE A COMMISSIONER IN HER FIRST TERM.
AND THEREFORE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE PASSING UP AN OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING ONE OF OURS REPRESENT US AND WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT SHE HAS WITH DESIGN, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, I
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HAVE TO GIVE YOU CREDIT, YOU KNOW, AND SO MANY OF OUR MEETINGS AND SO MANY OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE VIEW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SPOT ON 99 PERCENT OF THE TIME IN REGARD TO ZEROING IN ON SO MANY ISSUES THAT SOME OF US MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY SEE.SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S MY MY THOUGHT AT THIS TIME.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT MR. KEMP AND I WILL ASK YOU AGAIN IS THAT YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT, WELL, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU COULD GO TO SOMEONE THAT HAS LESS THAN THE 18 MONTHS.
WELL, BUT WE DO HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT IS A COMMISSIONER BEYOND 18 MONTHS.
SO DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, AS COMMISSIONER, LUNA SAID, JUMP OUT OF THE BOX A LITTLE BIT AND NOT FOLLOW WHAT YOU HAD JUST STATED.
WELL, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT YOU ASK FIRST IF ANY OF THE THREE QUALIFIED COMMISSIONERS, ONE OF WHICH IS ABSENT.
ARE INTERESTED IN BEING THE PRIMARY REPRESENTATIVE AND GO FROM THERE.
AND THEN IF YOU ESTABLISH THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A QUALIFIED COMMISSIONER, THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T MEET THE TERM FRAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO USE THE PHRASE UNQUALIFIED AND GO FROM THERE.
SO I THINK COMMISSIONER LUNA MADE A COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM THAT COMMISSIONER MERZ WAS FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
I KNOW THAT HE TOLD CITY PLANNER KNEW THAT HE WOULD TAKE ON CDBG.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE WAS SILENT AS TO THE OTHER TWO APPOINTMENTS, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT HE DID MENTION IT.
SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE AN INFERENCE FROM THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T, IF HE DID NOT EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN THOSE TWO.
AND SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, NOW MAY BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK COMMISSIONER SABELLICO AND COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.
WELL, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, THOUGH, HAS JUST BEEN NOMINATED FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
THERE IS NO NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT HE COULDN'T DO BOTH.
AH OK, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY.
THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE APPOINTMENTS.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS IF YOU SERVE ON ONE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF AVAILABILITY.
AND WHETHER SOMEBODY HAS THE TIME TO TAKE ON PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, WHICH I THINK MEETS TWICE A YEAR AND THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL.
SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER MERZ DID SHARE WITH ME THAT HE FELT HE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE OR BACKGROUND TO SERVE ON THE VILLAGE COMMITTEE.
HE KIND OF REITERATED, I THINK, WHAT YOU HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER LUNA THAT HE FELT THAT COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY WAS PROBABLY THE BEST QUALIFIED TO SERVE THAT ROLE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
WELL, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE AND COMMISSIONER LUNA AND CHAIRMAN MEENES, BUT YEAH I WAS NOT HIP TO THIS PLAN, SO I COULD HAVE SAVED EVERYONE A LOT OF TIME, I SUPPOSE, BY VOLUNTEERING FOR THE OTHER COMMITTEE, SO IF IT HELPS THE PROCESS ALONG AND LISTENING TO ATTORNEY KEMP, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD IF I SAY I'M NOT INTERESTED OR IF I DECLINE THE THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CHOOSE THE COMMISSIONER WHO OBVIOUSLY IS THE BEST CHOICE.
IT'S INTERESTING HEARING THESE COMMENTS AND HOW ALTRUISTIC MANY OF US ARE.
UM, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERYONE, AND IT'S ENJOYABLE WORKING WITH EACH OF YOU.
WE ALL BRING DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES AND QUALIFICATIONS TO THIS, BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT.
MS. LAFFERTY SHOULD DO THIS, ASSUMING SHE'S WILLING, AND IF IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE HER CHOSEN, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD DECLINE INTEREST IN THIS.
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SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION, I WOULD NOMINATE MS. LAFFERTY FOR THIS POSITION.FURTHER, LET'S HAVE SOME MORE COMMENTS HERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES, I BRIEFLY, I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS FROM A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES WITH REGARD TO MS. LAFFERTY'S QUALIFICATIONS.
SHE'S AN ARCHITECT BY PROFESSION.
TIME AND TIME AGAIN, SHE IS POINTING OUT DESIGN NUANCES AND PROJECTS THAT ARE EYE OPENING TO MYSELF AND I THINK PROBABLY OTHERS.
I THINK SHE WOULD BE A SUPERB CHOICE IF SHE'S WILLING TO SERVE.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO SPEAK.
IT'S TOO MUCH, TOO MANY ACCOLADES.
I DON'T WANT TO BE OUT OF ORDER.
OBVIOUSLY, I STILL HAVE A LOT TO LEARN ON PLANNING COMMISSION AND I HOPE TO CONTINUE IN A SECOND TERM IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
I DO HAVE A BACHELOR IN ARCHITECTURE WITH AN EMPHASIS IN HISTORY AND PLANNING.
I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TEACH AND UNDERGRADUATE ARCHITECTURE STUDENTS AND HAVE SERVED ON MANY DESIGN REVIEWS AS A JUROR.
I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL WITH PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND SUCCESSFULLY GOTTEN PERMITS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO I HOPE THAT I CAN CONTRIBUTE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO BE PART OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION TEAM AND THE SERVICE THAT COMES WITH THIS.
IT'S A IT'S REALLY JUST OPENED MY EYES TO A WHOLE NEW IDEA OF HOW JUST THE LITTLE PROFESSION OF ARCHITECTURE HAS A BROADER OPPORTUNITY IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
AND THE APPOINTMENT DEMANDS AN UNDERSTANDING AND THE DEPTH OF THE CODE AND YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT THAT THEY PLAY ON THE BUILDING LANDSCAPE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE BARRIO PLAN AND OUR GROWING PAINS ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE MOST CONCERNED WITH.
SO I HOPE TO SHARE A VOICE IN THE FUTURE OF OUR VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.
WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE I'M VERY PROUD OF OF COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN AND COMMISSIONER MERZ.
YOU'RE PRAGMATIC AND I THINK YOU DIDN'T LET THAT 18 MONTHS MUDDY THE WATERS FOR SOMEONE WHO YOU FEEL DESERVES THIS APPOINTMENT.
I GUESS IT'S AWKWARD THANKING YOU FOR DECLINING, BUT IT'S AND ACKNOWLEDGED, YEAH, I CAN DECLINE COMMISSIONER LUNA, I CAN DECLINE ALL DAY LONG.
WELL, IN I AGREE COMMISSIONER SABELLICO COMMENT THAT KIND OF HELPS PAVE THE WAY A LITTLE BIT BY HIM DOING THAT.
ALRIGHTY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? SO I HAVE A MOTION.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC? YEAH.
THANK YOU AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGIT DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
AND MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM, I DIDN'T CATCH WHO SECONDED THE NOMINATION.
OK, OK, WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME NOW I KNOW COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN HAD MADE A MOTION WILL GO BACK TO HIM.
COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, DO YOU WANT TO? AFTER OUR DISCUSSION, YOU MAKE A MOTION, I'LL RENEW MY MOTION TO NOMINATE THE MOST QUALIFIED AMONG US MS. LAFFERTY, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY FOR THIS POSITION.
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I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT.COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, YES, WITHOUT QUESTION.
ALL RIGHTY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHTY, WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT IN MIND OR WE NEED AN ALTERNATE.
NO, NO, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT.
NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN ALTERNATE FOR THAT ONE.
MR. CHAIR, I WAS WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE EASY JUST WHILE WE'RE THERE TO JUST RETURN TO THE ALTERNATE FOR THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND FINALIZE ALL THE APPOINTMENTS.
YEAH, BECAUSE OUR A MOTION WAS TO HAVE IT AT THE END.
BUT YEAH, IF WE CAN DO SO, THAT'D BE GREAT.
HOPEFULLY, BOARD IS DOWN TO ONE OR TWO MOVES.
SO NOW WE'LL RETURN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
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AND SO YOU HAD SELECTED A PRIMARY OF COMMISSIONER STINE, AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATE IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THAT IS CORRECT.SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO AN ALTERNATE TO DISCUSS.
COMMISSIONER LUNA, I LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
ANY DISCUSSION IN THAT REGARD? OK.
MS. FLORES, YOU NEED TO ASK FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, WE MUST BEING THAT YOU DID IT ALREADY THE FIRST TIME.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
ANY STATEMENTS THAT YOU WISH TO MAKE? WELL, I'M A CHESS PLAYER, AND IN CHESS WE CALL THIS A FORCED MOVE WHEN YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY OTHER MOVES OR BREAK THE RULES.
SO I'M HONORED AND ALL KIDDING ASIDE, I'M HONORED.
THIS IS ACTUALLY IF THERE WERE NO, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS ABOUT THE 18 MONTHS AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST THE SEVEN OF US CHOOSING THE MOST QUALIFIED I ACTUALLY WANTED TO BE THE ALTERNATE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND MY, YOU KNOW, I AM A LITTLE BIT HESITANT BECAUSE OF THE TIME COMMITMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY I'M GOING TO BE VERY BUSY IN THE NEXT YEAR, BUT I WILL MAKE A VERY STRONG EFFORT TO WATCH ALL OF THE RECORDINGS AT MINIMUM FOR THE MEETINGS.
AND I WILL TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THIS RESPONSIBILITY AND I WILL TAKE YOU, COMMISSIONER STINE, UP ON THE OFFER THAT YOU MADE TO TO CATCH ME UP IN THE CASE THAT I DO NEED TO STEP INTO YOUR PLACE THERE FOR A MINUTE.
I KNOW YOU WILL COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
SO IN REGARD TO THE ALTERNATE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER LUNA, WE ALREADY DID THIS.
I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING, DOUBLE CHECKING.
SECOND AGAIN ENTHUSIASTICALLY.
COMMISSIONER LUNA, ABSOLUTELY.
COMMISSIONER MEENES, YES OF COURSE.
MOTION PASSES SIX WITH ONE ABSENT.
WITH THAT IN MIND, ARE WE GOOD WE CAN CONTINUE ON, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER BREAK.
[5. PERMIT & SERVICE DELIVERY GUIDE]
NEU.SO OUR FIFTH AND FINAL AGENDA ITEM IS A INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION
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ON OUR PERMIT AND SERVICE DELIVERY GUIDE.AND WITH US FOR THAT PRESENTATION IS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR JEFF MURPHY.
MR. MURPHY, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT WITH YOUR GUYS.
I NORMALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS PRESENTATION HELD IN PERSON, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I'M HOPING IN DECEMBER, BUT I FIGURED SINCE THE PRESSURE, THE PROCESS GUIDE IS OUT AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING THINGS IN THE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF IMPROVING OUR OUR PROCESSES AND OUR TRANSPARENCY TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO CHAT WITH YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN.
SO YOU GUYS SEE THAT, OK? YES.
SO A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY OVER WHERE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS, WHAT I SAY MADE UP IS FOUR DIFFERENT PILLARS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE.
PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DIVISION ARE THE ONES YOU SEE THEM THE MOST, MOST OFTEN WITH THE DISCRETIONARY PERMITS THAT YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT ON.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF IS MISSION AND VISION STATEMENTS, THEY PROVIDE DIRECTION, THEY GIVE YOU KIND OF THE ULTIMATE OF WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO.
WHEN COMING TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, THE CITY HAD EMBARKED ON A PRETTY INVOLVED EFFORT TO COME UP WITH A MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE CITY AND INVOLVE THE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES, AND THEY CAME UP WITH A MISSION STATEMENT THAT I THOUGHT WAS PERFECT.
IT REALLY ENCAPSULATES WHAT WE DO AND WHY WE DO THE THINGS WE DO, AS WELL AS A REALLY SHORT AND SWEET VISION STATEMENT, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
SO SINCE I'VE BEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, WHICH IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, IT'S GOING ON TWO YEARS COMING JANUARY, ALL OF IT VIRTUALLY WITHIN THE UMBRELLA OF THE PANDEMIC.
BUT I DO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND TALK WITH OUR CUSTOMERS AND FOLKS, AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY COME BACK WITH IS KIND OF FOCUSED IN THESE FIVE DIFFERENT BUCKETS, IF YOU WILL.
WHEN I'VE ASKED QUESTION, YOU KNOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK IN THE BUCKET ON WHAT DOESN'T WORK, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE IS JUST THE TRANSPARENCY OF OUR PROCESSES, NOT SO MUCH OF HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS AND BEING TRANSPARENT IN OUR HEARINGS.
BUT IT'S A MATTER OF HOW WE ARE TRANSPARENT IN TERMS OF THE FORMS WE USE AND THE STEPS WE TAKE IN REVIEWING THE PROJECTS.
ANOTHER CONCERN THAT THEY WERE BROUGHT UP KIND OF COVERS THE NEXT TWO, WHICH IS PREDICTABILITY AND CONSISTENCY, IS, YOU KNOW, APPLICANTS WHEN THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY, THAT THE STEPS ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME, DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A SIMILAR TYPE OF PERMIT APPLICATION THAT THE STEPS ARE CONSISTENT AS WELL AS IN TERMS OF EXPECTATIONS, KNOWING WHEN WE RESPOND TO INQUIRIES, WHEN WILL PERMIT APPLICATIONS BE PROCESSED AND COMMENT LETTERS RELEASED.
AND THEN PROBABLY THE BIGGEST IS JUST THE COMMUNICATIONS, MAKING SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE INTERNALLY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS AND THEN THOSE DIVISIONS ARE COMMUNICATING ACCURATELY TO THE CONSULTANTS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANTS.
SO WITH THIS, I PUT TOGETHER WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE THE PERMIT AND SERVICE DELIVERY GUIDE.
A COPY OF THIS WAS PROVIDED TO YOU GUYS A FEW WEEKS BACK, BUT IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE FOR ANYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS BECAUSE IT WAS DESIGNED NOT JUST FOR STAFF IN MIND, BUT IT WAS ALSO DESIGNED FOR THE CUSTOMER AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT TALK ABOUT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ARE THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF NOT ONLY THE STAFF BUT OUR CUSTOMERS.
AND THEN ALSO WHAT ARE THE PROCESS FLOWS GIVEN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITS? I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH SECTION.
IT'S KIND OF LATE IN THE EVENING, BUT I WILL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THEM.
ONE OF WHICH IS SECTION TWO REALLY GETS INTO THE DETAILS ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND EXPECTATIONS.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THIS IS THE SECTION THAT STARTS OFF WITH THE MISSION STATEMENT, THE VISION STATEMENT OF THE WHY WE'RE AND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT SETS DOWN, WE EXPECT AS STAFF THAT APPLICANTS SUBMIT QUALITY PROJECTS.
THAT WAY, THE PROJECTS THAT YOU GET ARE THE BEST THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH WITH WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE EMBRACE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE EMBRACE THE COMMUNITY INPUT.
AND IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT INFORMATION? THIS IS NOT ONLY SOMETHING FOR OUR STAFF, BUT IT'S ALSO AGAIN, THE CUSTOMER, THE APPLICANT MAKING SURE THAT THEY LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND INCORPORATE THEIR CONCERNS.
AND IF THEY CAN'T INCORPORATE THE CONCERNS, EXPLAIN TO US WHY.
THE OTHER IS THE PROBLEMS WE SAW THAT THE PROBLEMS WE COME UP WITH OR THAT I IDENTIFIED NEED TO BE SOLVED AS AS A TEAM, NOT JUST INTERNALLY, BUT AGAIN WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THE CONSULTING TEAM.
AND THEN ALSO THE REVIEW TIMES FOR PERMIT APPLICATIONS ARE VERY
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COLLABORATIVE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.SECTION SEVEN TALKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR PERMIT PROCESSING POLICIES.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF IS THAT WHEN AN APPLICANT IS SUBMITTED, THE SUBMITTAL IS COMPLETE, MEANING THAT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR GETS SUBMITTED AT ONE TIME.
ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD IN TRYING TO BE NICE TO CUSTOMERS IS ALLOW THEM TO PIECEMEAL THEIR SUBMITTALS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'LL GET STARTED ON ONE PART OF IT WHILE THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON ANOTHER PART OF IT.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT ALL THESE STUDIES, ALL THESE ANALYSIS, ALL THESE PLANS ARE INTERWOVEN.
SO ONE CHANGE IN ONE IS GOING TO AFFECT THE OTHER.
AND AS A RESULT, WHEN YOU DO PIECEMEAL SUBMITTALS, IT ACTUALLY DELAYS YOUR PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE EXPECTING OF OUR CUSTOMERS IS THAT THEY'RE COMMITMENT.
THEIR SUBMITTALS ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETE AND INCLUDE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE ASKED FOR IN OUR COMMENT LETTER, OR IT WILL BE TURNED AWAY.
THE OTHER IS CLARIFYING WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE DEEM A PROJECT COMPLETE UNDER THE PERMIT STREAMLINING ACT VERSUS SEQUENCE COMPLETENESS.
AND WE KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT, EXPLAIN THAT IN OUR GUIDE.
WE'VE ALSO ESTABLISHED A MAXIMUM REVIEW CYCLES.
THIS IS WHERE I TALK ABOUT THE PING PONG BALL THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN US AND THE CUSTOMER WHERE YOU HEAR I'M ON MY FIFTH ITERATION, SIX ITERATION, WE'RE PUTTING KIND OF A STOP WHERE AFTER THE THIRD COMMENT LETTER, IF A FOURTH LETTER IS GOING AFTER THE THIRD MEDAL, FOURTH COMMENT LETTER IS GOING TO BE RELEASED I'M GOING TO BE ASKING FOR WHAT WE REFER TO AS A PROJECT ISSUE RESOLUTION MEETING.
AGAIN, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE INTENT THERE IS TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHY WE'RE GOING TO A FOURTH COMMENT LETTER AND SOMETHING AND THE PROJECT ISN'T AT A POINT WHERE IT'S READY FOR A DECISION.
BUT WE'RE ALSO FORECASTING TIMELINES, WHICH I'LL TALK AGAIN A LITTLE BIT LITTLE LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION.
BUT THIS IS A MATTER OF WHERE WE GET CUSTOMERS THAT WE'VE HAD SOME THAT SUBMIT AND THE MOMENT THEY SUBMIT, THEIR QUESTION IS WHEN DO WE GET TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION? AND AND SO PROVIDING SOME GUIDANCE AS TO HERE'S WHEN YOU CAN ANTICIPATE YOUR HEARING DATE SO LONG AS THESE MILESTONES ARE MET.
HERE'S WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT THAT AND THEN WE CAN TALK.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS ALLOWING FOR CONCURRENT PROCESSING A LOT OF APPLICANTS.
THEY WANT TO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IN THE PROCESS SO THEY CAN WORK ON THEIR DISCRETIONARY ACTION WHILE THEIR PERMIT AT THE SAME TIME.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF YOU START TOO SOON, THEN YOUR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION ENDS UP CHANGING BECAUSE YOUR DISCRETIONARY PERMIT GETS REVISED AND IT ENDS UP CAUSING A DELAY.
SO WE PUT PARAMETERS ONTO WIN WIN.
A CONCURRENT PROCESS CAN TAKE PLACE.
ON SECTION EIGHT OF THE PROCESS, GUIDE TALKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, GIVEN THAT EACH PERMIT TYPE HAS DIFFERENT COMPLEXITY.
WE PUT THEM IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, ASSIGN DIFFERENT TIMELINES, DIFFERENT FLOW CHARTS FOR THOSE AND EXPLAIN HOW WHAT ARE THIS KIND OF THE MILE AND THE MAJOR STEPS THAT AN APPLICANT WILL GO THROUGH, DEPENDING ON THE DIFFERENT PERMIT TYPES THAT THAT WE OFFER? AND THEN THE LASTLY IS SECTION NINE TALKS ABOUT THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW.
THIS ONE BREAKS DOWN KIND OF OUR PROCESS OF DO JUST SOME KEY KIND OF LARGE BIG-PICTURE STEPS.
THE PROCESS GUIDE IS NOT TO BE VIEWED AS A COOKBOOK.
IT'S NOT AND HOW TO GUIDE TO PROCESS AN APPLICATION FROM A TO B.
BUT IT DOES PROVIDE GENERAL GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION AND EXPLANATION ON HOW WE GET TO GET FROM A TO B.
I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE INFORMATION BULLETIN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I INTRODUCE THE CITY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN I GOT HERE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF OUR PROCESSES AND OUR PROCEDURES, NEW LAWS THAT COME IN, PARTICULARLY THE HOUSING LAWS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE, THAT ARE VERY CONFUSING AND INFORMATION BULLETINS ARE A TWO TO FOUR PAGE DOCUMENT THAT JUST EXPLAINS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT ARE THE STEPS TO TO GET A PERMIT APPROVED UNDER THESE UNDER THESE NEW GUIDES.
WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS THE BULLETINS ARE LINKED NOW TO APPLICATIONS AND NOW WE'RE UPDATING OUR APPLICATIONS, SO THEY WILL LINK TO AN INFORMATION BULLETIN.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST THAT IDEA OF MAKING OUR PROCESS MORE TRANSPARENT, MORE UNDERSTANDABLE, MORE EASY TO TO, TO FOLLOW.
SPEAKING ABOUT ONE OF THE BULLETINS AND THIS GETS BACK TO THAT PROJECT ISSUE RESOLUTION, I WAS TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING IS THE GUARANTEED SECOND OPINION AND AS WELL AS THE PR.
THE GUARANTEED SECOND OPINION IS JUST A REMINDER TO OUR CUSTOMERS THAT
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SOMETIMES THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STAFF AND AN APPLICANT, AND WE WANT TO LET THE APPLICANT KNOW THAT THERE IS A VENUE FOR THEM WHERE THEY CAN ELEVATE THAT DISAGREEMENT TO THE SUPERVISOR.IT'S A, AND WE CALL IT, GUARANTEED SECOND OPINION WHERE NO MATTER WHAT YOU CAN, YOU HAVE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE TO YOU.
SO IT'S JUST A REMINDER OF SOMETHING WE'VE ALWAYS, ALWAYS DONE.
WHAT'S NEW, HOWEVER, IS THE PROJECT IS IS AT ISSUE RESOLUTION WHERE IF THE DISAGREEMENT CANNOT BE RESOLVED AT THE MANAGER LEVEL OR AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU HAVE A CYCLE REVIEW LETTER THAT'S ON THE FOURTH ROUND AND IT'S ABOUT TO GO OUT.
WHAT I'M REQUIRING IS THAT YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH ME, WHICH INCLUDES THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS MYSELF TO TALK THROUGH WHAT WHAT THE DISAGREEMENT IS OR WHY WE'RE AT A POSITION WHERE WE ARE NOT FINALIZING THE DECISION TO PERMIT IN ORDER TO GET TO A HEARING.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE PUT TOGETHER IS KIND OF A STANDARDIZED COMMENT LETTER.
THIS ONE JUST KIND OF BEEN MODIFIED TO INCLUDE SOME, SOME KEY ELEMENTS THAT THAT THE PREVIOUS VERSION DIDN'T HAVE.
ONE OF THE BIG ONES IS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THERE'S NOW A SECTION IN THE STANDARDIZED TEMPLATE LETTER WHERE IF WE HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION, IT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMPLIANCE SCHEDULE THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE FOLLOWED.
AND THERE'S A LOT MORE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND THE PLANNER WHEN PROCESSING DISCRETIONARY PERMITS INVOLVING A CODE ACTION.
THE OTHER IS THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS/ DUE DATE, AND THIS IS WHERE THE TIMETABLE COMES IN.
SO EVERY COMMENT LETTER THAT GETS RELEASED OUT OF OUR DEPARTMENT WILL INCLUDE THIS SCHEDULE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THERE'S TASKS THAT ACTIVITIES THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.
AND YOU ALSO NOTICE MORE TIME IS GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT THAN THE CITY.
AND THE REASON WHY THAT IS IS BECAUSE WE ARE JUST REVIEWERS.
THE APPLICANT CREATES THE DOCUMENT SO THEY NEED MORE TIME.
AND SO WE GET LESS TIME TO DO THAT.
BUT THE IDEA WITH THIS IS TWOFOLD.
ONE IS IT GIVES THE APPLICANT AN ESTIMATED HEARING DATE IF THEY MEET THE DEADLINES, IF THEY GO FASTER.
THEY GET TO GO A HEARING FASTER.
OUR DATES ARE PRETTY SET IN STONE.
WE CAN'T DEVIATE TOO MUCH FROM THOSE.
THE ONE THING ON THE SIDE, YOU WILL NOTICE WHERE IT SAYS ACTUAL COMPLETION DATE.
THIS IS ALL SET UP IN A FORMULA.
IT'S AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, BUT IT'S SET UP IN A FORMULA WHERE THE STAFF PERSON WILL TYPE IN THE ACTUAL DATE THAT THE THAT STAFF WAS COMPLETED THE TASK OR WHEN THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
AND IF IT DEVIATES FROM WHAT'S ESTIMATED, IT AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS THE SCHEDULE TO SHOW THE NEW ESTIMATED HEARING DATE.
AND SO AGAIN, EVERY LETTER THAT COMES OUT OF OUR OFFICE THAT GETS ACCOMPANIED WITH THAT LETTER, SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT SURPRISED AS TO WHY THERE'S A DELAY IN THE HEARING OR WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO HEARING.
IT'S JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE A YEAR IN REVIEW, LIKE I MENTIONED, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS.
WE'VE HAD A VERY EVENTFUL 18 MONTHS.
ONE IS THE NUMBER OF ENTITLEMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS APPROVED IS ASTRONOMICAL.
JUST JUST LOOKING AT IT IN THE LAST THE LAST 14 MONTHS.
SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY ONE NEW RESIDENTIAL HOMES WERE ENTITLED.
OF WHICH ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE OF THEM WERE AFFORDABLE.
SO THAT IS THAT IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR ANY JURISDICTION, ESPECIALLY A COASTAL ONE, BECAUSE IF YOU COMPARE US WITH OTHER COASTAL CITIES, WE BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF ENTITLEMENTS THAT WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH.
AND THAT'S A HUGE PART TO YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOUR DILIGENCE AND YOUR REVIEW OF THOSE PROJECTS.
THE OTHER IS AND AS WE REPORTED OUT, WE HAVE A NEW HOUSING ELEMENT.
WE GOT IT ADOPTED ON TIME AND WE WERE ONE OF THE FEW JURISDICTIONS THAT GOT A ATTABOY LETTER RIGHT OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, EARLIER ON.
AND THEN WE ALSO JUST VERY RECENTLY GOT OUR COASTAL LOCAL COASTAL PLAN UPDATE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL JUST LAST MONTH.
SO THERE'S SOME WORK THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT.
WE HAVE TO GO TO COASTAL AND SEE IF SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT WE WE HAD DISAGREEMENTS WITH WITH THE STAFF, WHERE WERE WE ABLE TO GET THOSE THROUGH BUT HUGE, HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS SLIDE.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING COMING IN WINTER AND I'M LOOKING AT WINTER BEING DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
WE'RE GOING TO BE INITIATING AN ANNUAL ZONING CODE CLEANUP.
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WHAT THIS IS IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WELL, FIRST OF ALL, OUR ZONING CODE IS VERY OLD AND IT HAS NOT BEEN COMPREHENSIVELY UPDATED AND THERE IS A NUMBER OF PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT FRUSTRATE OUR PROCESSES OR CONTRADICT OR JUST THERE'S THERE'S NOT CLARITY IN THEIR CODE THAT WE ARE USING THIS, INTRODUCING KIND OF A CONSISTENT ANNUAL CLEANUP WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BRING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES OR CODE AMENDMENTS TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.THE OTHER IS OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICY FEE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO.
THIS ONE WILL BE GOING TO HOUSING COMMISSION WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE COUNCIL POLICY ON IT.
AND THEN AND THEN WE'LL BE GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL LATER THIS YEAR.
WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING BRINGING FORWARD THE WIRELESS POLICY IN THE SPRING.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING OUR ZONING CODE CLEAN UP.
THE INCLUSIONARY DOCUMENT WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL SOMETIME IN THE SPRING AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NEW INFORMATION BULLETINS THAT ARE GOING TO GO ONLINE BECAUSE THERE IS A NUMBER OF NEW HOUSING PROVISIONS ONLINE THAT ARE VERY COMPLICATED.
BUT TO WE, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A BIT OF LAND USE AUTHORITY AWAY FROM THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT LIMITATION IS.
AND THEN FINALLY, IN SOME WAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING THAT CLEAN UP GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FOUR DECISION.
SO I APPRECIATE AGAIN THE TIME I.
STOP THIS HERE, SO I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME AND ATTENTION ON THIS AGAIN, I WISH I COULD BE IN PERSON TALKING TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS, BUT WITH THAT, I OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
MR. MURPHY, I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
IT WAS EXCELLENT AND I ALSO APPRECIATE HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU MADE REFERENCE TO.
IT'S EDUCATIONAL TO HEAR HOW IT'S GOING IN REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MAJOR MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, LCP AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
OTHER THING TOO, AND I'M SURE WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
THE DOCUMENT IS STELLAR FROM THE STANDPOINT OF LAYOUT FORMAT.
NOW YOU DID INDICATE THAT THERE ARE AND IT HAS BEEN OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND TO APPLICANTS AT THIS TIME.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY RESPONSE OR FEEDBACK AT ALL FROM ANYONE? NO, NOT.
I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONSULTANTS.
ONE WAS A CONSULTANT WHO WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL UP NORTH ACTUALLY SAY HE WAS STEALING.
SO JUST LET YOU KNOW THIS IS ONE FOR DISCRETIONARY PERMIT.
THERE'S A SYSTEM DOCUMENT FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY WERE STEALING THAT TO TAKE UP NORTH AND APPLY IT UP THERE.
SO THAT MEANT THAT MADE ME FEEL GOOD.
THEN I FIGURED, HEY, I WANTED, I WANTED TO CHARGE FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S SLOWLY GETTING OUT THERE.
I THINK I KNOW STAFF A LOT OF THE THE POLICIES, THE THE PROCEDURES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE, THE THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE WERE IMPLEMENTING CAN ALL BE TIED TO THAT DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF ACHIEVING THE MILESTONES AND THE OBJECTIVES THAT ARE SET OUT IN THAT IN THAT PIECE.
WELL, I THINK ANOTHER THING TO THAT IS JUST OUTSTANDING IS THE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AND IT'S NOT.
I'M USING THE WORD APPEAL, BUT IT'S NOT AN APPEAL.
BUT HAVING AN APPLICANT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO MOVE BEYOND POSSIBLY THE STAFF PERSON ACROSS THE TABLE AT THE COUNTER AND NOT BE HAPPY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HEAR YOUR COMMENTS NOT ABOUT CARLSBAD, BUT YOU IN GENERAL ABOUT THE PLANNING ISSUES AND SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, SAY, WELL, THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE OR THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE JUST NOT RESPONSIVE.
THE TIME FRAME, I'M NOT GETTING CLARITY IN REGARD TO MY CONCERNS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND SO THEREFORE, TO HAVE THAT COMPONENT OF OF HAVING SOMEONE BE ABLE TO ASK TO BE ABLE TO BE HEARD BY OTHERS IN MANAGEMENT AND OR UP TO UP TO YOUR LEVEL IS EXCELLENT.
I THINK IT SHOWS THAT TRANSPARENCY.
IT SHOWS THE WILLINGNESS OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD TO BE AVAILABLE AND THAT WE WE DO WANT TO BE WE DO HEAR AND WE DO WANT TO ASSIST YOU IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
AND SO I THINK THIS DOCUMENT DOES THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. MURPHY, I COMPLETELY ECHO ALL OF CHAIRMAN MEENES COMMENTS.
THIS YOUR PRESENTATION WAS EXCELLENT AND THE DOCUMENT ITSELF IS EXCELLENT.
SO THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING TO US TODAY.
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I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT I THINK IT WAS ALMOST THE LAST SLIDE OR SECOND TO LAST SLIDE.BUT I THINK IT SAID THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICY WAS GOING TO HOUSING COMMISSION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL, AND I'M ASSUMING IT DOES NOT COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE IN THE EXISTING POLICY DOCUMENT AND IT'S PULLING FROM EXISTING POLICIES.
BASICALLY, I'M TAKING THREE DIFFERENT CITY COUNCIL POLICIES ON INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND COMBINING INTO ONE, AND THOSE EXISTING POLICIES DO REFERENCE THE HOUSING COMMISSION AS THE ONE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES LARGELY IMPLEMENTING THE THE REQUIREMENTS OF OF THAT OF THAT DOCUMENT.
THEY GO PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPOSING FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS NEED TO GO TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE TAKING TAKING THAT TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION FOR THEIR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL.
CAN YOU SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN? WHAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL? THAT WHEN, WHEN, LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENTS? OKAY.
OR IF A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WANTS TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY FINANCIALLY, THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS COME FROM THE HOUSING COMMISSION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MR. MURPHY.
I HAVE HAD A LITTLE EXPERIENCE PERMITTING THROUGH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, SO I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY CONSULTANTS ARE BEING USED RIGHT NOW TO HELP MEET THESE DEADLINES THAT ARE BEING SET UP IN THIS NEW INITIATIVE? SO ARE YOU ASKING CONSULTANTS FROM THE CONSULT, FROM THE APPLICANT OR FROM INTERNAL LIKE, HOW MANY CONSULTANTS DO...SO YOU USE INTER WEST NOW I KNOW THERE'S A FIRE DEPARTMENT CONSULTANT.
JUST TELL ME HOW MANY CONSULTANTS ARE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE DEADLINES COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, WELL, THE THIRD TIME'S A CHARM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IN BUILDING DEPARTMENT STUFF.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONSULTANTS THAT ARE HELPING WITH THIS OR IS THIS ALL IN-HOUSE? HOW IS THIS WORKING? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH STAFF? SO YOU [INAUDIBLE] NOT HAVE STAFF, BUT.
I WOULD SAY MOST OF MOST OF THE WORK IS DONE BY STAFF INTERNALLY.
WE DO HAVE CONSULTANTS THAT THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST ON SPECIALTY THEMES.
SO I KNOW LBE, I THINK THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS THEY CAN PULL FROM.
I BELIEVE TRANSPORTATION HAS ONE, IF NOT TWO, THAT THEY PULL FROM.
DON, HOW MANY DOES PLANNING HAVE? I THINK THEY JUST HAVE THE ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, OURS IS PRIMARILY JUST THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE WE'RE USING OUTSIDE CONSULTANT FOR THAT.
AND PART OF THE PART OF THE THING ALSO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DEADLINES FOR US ARE STIPULATED BY THE STATE LAW, I MEAN SUBDIVISION, I MEAN, THE PERMIT STREAMLINING ACT REALLY LIMITS OUR TIME IN TERMS OF REVIEW AND NEW INITIATIVES COMING ON SB 330 AND SB SB THIRTY FIVE.
EVEN TRIM THEM DOWN EVEN MORE.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THOSE THOSE TURNAROUND TIMES, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF YOU NOTICE IT IN THE PROCESS GUIDE IN THE APPENDICES, THERE IS THAT TASK.
BUT TABS THAT WE USE WHERE WE MONITOR THE WORK AND THE AND THE ASSIGNMENTS IN INNER DOVE AND WHAT THAT DOES IS WE CAN GENERATE REPORTS TO SEE HOW MUCH TIME IT IS TAKING DIFFERENT STAFF TO DO DIFFERENT TASKS, HOW MUCH WORK EACH STAFF IS ASSIGNED, HOW MANY PROJECTS IS AGAIN, PROJECTS MIGHT COME IN AND WAVES, SO YOU HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE THEM APPROPRIATELY SO THAT WE DO HAVE AN INNOVATIVE SYSTEM THAT DOES HELP US TRACK THAT.
AND I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY USED THAT IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHEN I NEED TO.
YOU NEED SUPPORT IN TERMS OF JUSTIFYING AN INCREASE IN STAFFING LEVELS OR CONSULTANT NEEDS.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF IN THE BEST WAY WE CAN AND IF CONSULTANTS ARE THE WAY TO DO IT, BUT THAT POTENTIALLY ADDS TO TIME.
AND YOU'RE IT'S THIS IS SEEMS TO BE STATING THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT TIME.
AND SO MY CONCERN IS HOW DOES THAT IMPACT BECAUSE OF THESE REDUCED TIMES, DOES IT? CHANGE OR IMPACT QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT BEING BUILT EVENTUALLY, SO THAT'S REALLY
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MY OBVIOUSLY I'M, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE BEST PRODUCT THAT WE CAN GET.AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES MORE THAN TWO OR THREE REVIEWS.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WHERE'S THE QUALITY LINE KIND OF IN THIS? SO TWO THINGS ON THAT ONE IS FOR AS FAR AS THE CONSULTANTS, THEY THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE SAME TIMELINE WE DO.
AGAIN, THOSE TIMELINES ARE SET BY THE STATE.
SO OUR CONTRACTS STIPULATE THAT YOU HAVE TO PERFORM AT A CERTAIN TIME.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS TERMS OF MEETING THE OBJECTIVES IN THE PROCESS GUIDE.
THEY'RE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DO THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OVER SPEED.
WHAT I WOULD CONTEND IS, AGAIN, THE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE KIND OF THE FOURTH ITERATION WE HAVE A MEETING IS JUST TO LEARN WHY WE'RE WHY WE DO.
WHY DO WE NEED A FOURTH COMMENT LETTER? WHAT? THERE ARE TWO LEGITIMATE REASONS WHY IT MIGHT GO TO A FOURTH AND SAY EVEN A FIFTH REVIEW.
A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS AN APPLICATION COMES IN AND THEY DON'T PROVIDE ENOUGH DETAIL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE USE IS.
AND SO WE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEY, WHEN THEY COME IN, SUBMIT ON THE SECOND TIME, THEY SAY THEY PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL DETAIL, WHICH WE THEN SAY, ALL RIGHT.
THEN YOU HAVE ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS A, B AND C.
SO THAT MAY REQUIRE A COMPLETE REDESIGN, WHICH MAY SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THEIR PROJECT FROM WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
SO, SO AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE REASONS WHAT THE REAL INTENT OF HAVING THAT LIMITATION FOR, OR I SHOULD SAY THREE COMMENT LETTERS IS THAT TO AVOID THE SITUATION OF SPINNING THE WHEELS WHERE WE HAVE AN UNRESPONSIVE CONSULTANT ON THE APPLICANT'S TEAM, WHERE THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO STAFF'S REPEATED REQUESTS FOR EITHER INFORMATION OR CHANGE IN PLAN, THEY'RE JUST REFUSING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S REALLY GETTING AT IS IT IS ADDRESSING THAT FAILURE ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT TO PERFORM.
I COULD TELL YOU HORROR STORIES IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO THAT.
I'VE LIVED THROUGH A COUPLE OF THOSE.
YEAH, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE PLAN BECAUSE WE'RE AGAIN GETTING PRESSURE FROM THE STATE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES IS IMPERATIVE.
WE TRY TO MAKE A TRANSPARENT PLAN THAT HELPS EVERYONE.
SO I'M TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
MY CONCERN IS, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU CAN'T REALLY PREDICT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SUBMIT PROJECTS AT A CERTAIN TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEREFORE HAVING CONSULTANTS AND HAVING ADEQUATE STAFF IS OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT.
BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SO MANY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, QUIET OR TIME, IT'S, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGING.
SO SO I'M SO I JUST REALLY AM CONCERNED WITH THE QUALITY WITH TWO REVIEWS, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE SEEN, IT JUST VARIES ALL OVER THE MAP, SORT OF.
AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT REALLY IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S CONTROL AS TO WHAT THE APPLICANT BRINGS.
THE BEST THEY CAN DO IS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TRY TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST HELPFUL ARE THE CHECKLISTS, THE MINIMUM SUBMITTAL, SUBSTANTIAL REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, MOSTLY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE VALUATION STILL STUMPS ME.
I CAN'T MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF THAT.
BUT BUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND SO IF THIS IS CONTRIBUTING TO UPDATING THOSE AND MAKING THEM MORE SUCCINCT AND CLEAR AND STRAIGHTFORWARD, THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL THEY CAN COME TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND AND HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT, BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR ONE.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'M THUMBING THROUGH IT FOR THE INITIAL TIME AND I WAS PARTICULARLY IMPRESSED WITH THE FLOW CHARTS ON THE SECTION EIGHT.
VISUAL ON STEP BY STEP, WHAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH.
THREE PARAGRAPHS AND INFORMATION IS ONE THING THAT'S GOOD, BUT HAVING A SIMPLE STEP BY STEP A B, C D, IT REALLY LAYS IT OUT AND I COMMEND YOU FOR DOING THAT.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, THOUGH IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN
[02:05:03]
WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY SUBJECT TO AN APPEAL AND THOSE AREAS WHERE AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FINAL DECISION, I.E.IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO AREA? HAVE YOU SPELLED THAT OUT SO THAT AN APPLICANT KNOWS IF HE'S HE OR SHE IS DOING A VILLAGE BURIAL PROJECT? WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COUNCIL.
OTHERWISE, IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL ON AN APPEAL.
YEAH, THE SO THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS NO, BECAUSE MOST OF THE THE PERMITS THAT ARE IN THE VILLAGE ARE TRADITIONALLY DONE EITHER AT THE CITY PLANNER LEVEL OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEIR END.
THIS WAS PRODUCED BEFORE I MADE.
I DID THE PRESENTATION, THE COUNCIL WHERE I WAS PROPOSING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HAVE ALL OF THE DECISIONS IN THE VILLAGE GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU RECALL THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE PC.
THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOOTNOTE THAT I'M GOING TO NEED TO PUT IN THIS PROCESS GUIDE.
SO CUSTOMERS ARE ADVISED THAT IF YOUR IF YOUR PROPERTY IS IN THE VILLAGE DESPITE WHAT LEVEL PERMIT IT IS, YOU'LL BE GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FOR THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
SO AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A DYNAMIC DOCUMENT THAT KNOW AS AS STATE LAW CHANGES, AS WE KIND OF IMPLEMENT IT, IF ISSUES COME UP IN TERMS OF OF TURNAROUND TIMES AND MAYBE THREE ITERATIONS IS NOT ENOUGH.
MAYBE AS A COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY MENTIONED, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE MORE.
WE'LL GOING TO AMEND THE DOCUMENT AND AND POST IT.
SO IT'S NOT THIS IS NOT A HERE IT IS.
THESE ARE COMMENTS AND I'M KEEPING A LIST OF AND WHEN I GET ENOUGH, I'LL MAKE AN EDIT TO THE DOCUMENT.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENT.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT WHEN YOU MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS NEXT TIME THAT THAT BE MADE CLEAR BECAUSE ANYBODY IN THE VILLAGE OR BARRIO AREA NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THERE IS AUTOMATICALLY THAT ADDITIONAL STEP.
MR MURPHY, ARE YOU PLANNING IF THERE IS CHANGES AND OR EDITS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE BECAUSE OF CHANGES FROM THE STATE OR LOCALLY BY COUNCIL? HOW ARE YOU PLANNING AND THEN TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THIS DOCUMENT, IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE A SUPPLEMENTAL OR HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TREAT THAT? SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A WEB PAGE ON OUR ON OUR WEBSITE THAT'S DEDICATED TO THESE PROCESS GUIDES.
AND SO I'LL PUT IN THEIR OLDER VERSIONS.
I'LL HAVE LOWER, I'M THINKING, HAVING SOMEWHERE DOWN LOWER ON THE WEBSITE WHERE THE OLDER VERSIONS WOULD BE LOCATED AND THEN JUST SAY UPDATED WILL BE UP AT THE TOP.
THE ONE THING I JUST DON'T WANT HAPPENING AND I GOT TO JUST BE CAREFUL OF OUR MINDFUL OF THIS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE PULLING FROM THE OLDER VERSION.
SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I AT LEAST I WILL.
I WILL ADVERTISE IT ON THE WEBSITE AS BEING UPDATED AS OF A PARTICULAR DATE.
AND MAYBE INCLUDING A KIND OF AN ITEMIZED LIST OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER STINE HAD INDICATED THE FLOW CHARTS ARE ASTOUNDING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE QUITE VISUAL AND THEY RESPOND TO VISUAL MORE OFTEN SOMETIMES THAN VERBIAGE ON A ON A PAGE PAPER OR ON A MONITOR AT THE COMPUTER.
SO THE FLOW CHARTS ARE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL, I'M SURE.
FURTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. MURPHY.
MR. MURPHY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
I HOPE WE'LL SEE YOU AS A PERSON SOON.
OK, THAT CONCLUDES, THE PUBLIC JUST WANTED A REAL QUICK CALL FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT ITEM.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
THEREFORE, ARE THERE ANY REPORTS BY COMMISSIONERS THIS EVENING THAT THEY WISH
[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS:]
TO ADD COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY?[02:10:02]
THANK YOU.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEETING IS GOING TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 8TH MONDAY, AND THEY WILL ALSO APPOINT SOMEONE TO THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT THE DESIGN REVIEW.
THEY DID HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING REGARDING THE MILLS ACT AT THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW.
THEY'RE GOING TO DISCUSS PROPERTIES OF CONCERN AND THE MEETING SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR SO.
SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT I ALSO WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE UT FOR HALLOWEEN.
THEY HAD THE CULVERHOUSE BACK ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE, BUT THE CULVERHOUSE WAS BACK ON TALKING ABOUT THAT MILL'S PRESENTATION THAT WAS AT COUNCIL.
OBVIOUSLY, THE BIG CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS WE NEED THE LIST TO BE AND I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THE LIST AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S 13 REMAINING, 13 REMAINING OF THE 19 PRE 1990 HISTORIC LIST.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL OR IF WE CAN JUST GO STEAM AHEAD WITH MILLS ACT, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
I DO THINK THAT THE LIST WOULD NEED TO BE RE-ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT WITH THE RETURN TRIP OF THE ACT ORDINANCES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION MR. NEU THAT IN THAT REGARD, GIVEN THE THE LIST, COULD THERE BE JUST HYPOTHETICALLY ANY ADDITIONS TO THAT LIST? THERE COULD GOES WHEN HE GOES BACK TO COUNCIL? RIGHT? YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE LIST, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, REPORTS AND SORT OF THE ANALYSIS OF THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY BEING NOMINATED OR REQUESTED TO BE PUT ON THE LIST.
SO YES, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD CHANGE DRAMATICALLY, BUT YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE PREVIOUS INVENTORY WAS DONE SOME TIME AGO.
SO WITH THE PASSAGE OF A NUMBER OF YEARS, THERE COULD BE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOW ELIGIBLE BASED ON HOW EVER MANY YEARS IT'S BEEN.
I THINK PROBABLY ABOUT WHAT, 20, 30 YEARS PERHAPS.
CAN I INTERJECT? I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO HOPE.
I GUESS I'M HOPING AND HOPEFULLY THE COMMISSION WILL AGREE IF WE AT LEAST ADOPT THESE PRE 1990 REQUESTED, VOLUNTARILY REQUESTED HISTORIC BUILDINGS FIRST, THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER BUILDINGS ON NOMINATIONS, BUT UNLESS WE ADOPT SOMETHING, WE CAN'T HAVE THE MILLS ACT.
SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IT IS WE JUST WANT TO GET THE LIST IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
NO, I AGREE WITH IT, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE COUNCIL ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
1992, RIGHT? SO YEAH, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THERE'S TWO KIND OF TRACKS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
ONE IS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS WORKING ON DEVELOPING A MILLS ACT ORDINANCE AND PROGRAM.
AND SO THAT WAS GIVEN A DIRECTION BY COUNCIL.
I WANT TO SAY ABOUT A MONTH AGO NOW, AND SO WE'RE UNDERWAY CONTRACT CONTRACTING WITH SOME HELP TO TO GET THAT DONE.
SEPARATE TRACK OF THAT IS THE LIBRARIES DEPARTMENT WHO HAS THE COMMITTEE ON THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE.
THEY ARE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH AMENDMENTS AND LOOK AT REALLOCATE OR REAPPROVING THAT THE OLD LIST.
AND SO I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON A DIFFERENT TRACK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS.
I CAN I CAN FIND OUT AND I'LL LET.
I'LL LET DAWN KNOW SO HE CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS AS TO WHAT WHAT THEY'RE WHAT KIND OF WHAT THEIR THEIR PLAN IS, BUT THEY'RE DOING IT SEPARATELY THAN OUR MILLS ACT ORDINANCE.
THAT LIST WAS APPROVED AH IN MARCH OF 2021 , SO SO THEY HAVE A LIST.
AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER.
AND IT GOT PULLED, AND I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE DISTRICT ONE CHANGES IN
[02:15:01]
COUNCIL REPRESENTATION.SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS AN ALREADY APPROVED LIST.
BUT THE COUNCIL HAS NOT APPROVED IT.
BUT IT NEEDS TO COME THAT THEY HAVE A LIST AT THE START PRESERVATION.
OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THIS IS COUNCIL REPORT.
NOT A COUNCIL, NOT COUNCIL REPORTS COMMISSION REPORTS.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO STRAY TOO FAR INTO A NON AGENDIZED TERRITORY HERE.
ANY OTHER REPORTS BY COMMISSIONERS? OK.
[CITY PLANNER REPORT:]
NEU, ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADD OR REPORT OF SOME ITEM THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF.JUST JUST ONE ONE ITEM JUST TO LET YOU KNOW ON THE 16TH OF THE MONTH, THE COUNCIL WILL ONCE AGAIN DECIDE WHETHER MEETINGS WILL BE VIRTUAL OR IN PERSON IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, SO WE'LL UPDATE YOU ON THAT IN TIME FOR OUR NEXT MEETING ON DECEMBER 1ST.
A REPORT BY OUR ILLUSTRIOUS ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
[CITY ATTORNEY REPORT:]
NOTHING TONIGHT.WE APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE THIS EVENING.
WE'LL, STAND ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.