[00:00:05] IT'S FEBRUARY 15TH, WITH THAT, IF WE COULD PLEASE TAKE ROLL CALL. [CALL TO ORDER] COUNCILMAN NORBY. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. PRESENT. MAYOR HALL. HERE. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT AND WITH THAT MR. BLACKBURN, IF YOU COULD LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OK, THEN MOVING IT ALONG. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MINUTES, BUT WE DO HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO [PRESENTATIONS] START OFF WITH DR. BHAT-PATEL IS GOING TO GIVE A RECOGNITION ON BLACK HISTORY MONTH, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. GREAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION FOR THE SECOND TIME. I KNOW THAT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS LAST YEAR AND CHRISTIAN, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BLACK STUDENT UNION AT SAGE CREEK HIGH SCHOOL, IS HERE WITH US FOR THE SECOND TIME, WHICH IS SUPER EXCITING. SO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE THESE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THE RICH HISTORY OF OUR BLACK COMMUNITY AND LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO DO THAT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ OUR PROCLAMATION AND LET CHRISTIAN SAY A FEW WORDS AS WELL TOWARDS THE END. SO WHEREAS THE CITY OF CARLSBAD TAKES PRIDE IN JOINING AMERICANS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND RECOGNIZING FEBRUARY 2022 AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. AND WHEREAS THE OBSERVANCE OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH CALLS OUR ATTENTION TO THE CONTINUED NEED TO BATTLE RACISM AND BUILD A SOCIETY THAT LIVES UP TO ITS DEMOCRATIC IDEALS. AND WHEREAS BLACK HISTORY MONTH RECOGNIZES AND PAYS TRIBUTE TO THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE MADE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE STRUGGLES FOR FREEDOM AND EQUALITY THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS FACED HISTORICALLY AND CURRENTLY TO THIS DAY. AND WHEREAS 2022 NATIONAL THEME FOR THE OBSERVANCE OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH IS BLACK HEALTH AND WELLNESS, EXPLORING THE LEGACY OF NOT ONLY BLACK SCHOLARS AND MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS, BUT ALSO THE SPIRITUAL, MENTAL, EMOTIONAL, AND FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CONTINUES TO STRIVE TO BE AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY IN WHICH ALL CITIZENS PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE ARE RESPECTED AND RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE STATE, THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD. AND WHEREAS DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH, WE REFLECT AS A NATION ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY FROM THE INJUSTICES OF SLAVERY TO THE INNOVATORS OF OUR TIME. WE REMEMBER THOSE WHO ARE STRONG AND COURAGEOUS AND WHO MAKE A DIFFERENCE DESPITE ANY OBSTACLES. WHILE REFLECTING ON THE PAST IS NECESSARY, WE MUST ALSO ENCOURAGE OUR YOUTHS TO REALIZE THEIR POTENTIAL AND DREAM FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE. THEREFORE, I COUNCIL MEMBER, PRIYA BHAT-PATEL ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 2022 TO BE BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND PROUDLY HONOR THE HISTORY AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT OUR STATE AND NATION. AND WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND WELCOME CHRISTIAN DORSEY MCLEAN TO OUR VIRTUAL STAGE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME. ALL RIGHT. I GOT A THUMBS UP. I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM TO HAVE BEEN INVITED AGAIN FOR A SECOND TIME. OF COURSE, THIS MEANS SO MUCH. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW I BELONG TO SAGE CREEK'S BLACK STUDENT UNION, AND IT IS MY JOB AS PRESIDENT TO ADVOCATE FOR RACIAL. I'M SO SORRY FOR RACIAL INJUSTICE AND INCLUSION AND EQUITY, AND THAT'S BEEN MY GOAL AND MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID-19 STARTED, AND WE GOT TO SEE OUR COUNTRY REALLY REVEAL ITSELF IN A WAY IT IS. I THINK IT PROVIDED ME AND A LOT OF US A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE UNCOMFORTABLE DISCUSSIONS JUST SO WE COULD GO FORWARD AND TO BECOME A GREAT NATION THAT I KNOW AND I'M SURE WE ALL KNOW THAT WE CAN BE AND THAT WE ARE STRIVING TO BE. AND I JUST AGAIN, I'M LIKE, FLUSTERED AT THIS BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST REALLY GRATEFUL THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS AND THAT. I HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER EVEN THOUGH I AM A SENIOR AND I AM, YOU KNOW, COLLEGE BOUND. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVEN THOUGH I AM HERE AS RIGHT NOW THAT WE GET [00:05:01] THE PROGRESS GOING BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, YOUNGER MEMBERS WHO WANT TO SEE THIS COMMUNITY CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT I SAW, WANTED IT TO WHEN I WAS THEIR AGE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU AGAIN, AND I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING TOGETHER TO BUILD A BETTER FUTURE FOR YOUNGER KIDS AND EVEN PEOPLE HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. VERY WELL SAID, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION NATIONAL ENGINEERS WEEK, FEBRUARY 20TH THROUGH THE 26TH AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TOM FRANK, CITY ENGINEER AND TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR, WILL BE RECEIVING THIS PROCLAMATION. WITH THIS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE PROCLAMATION WHEREAS ENGINEERS USE THEIR SCIENTIFIC SKILLS AND SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE TO HELP DESIGN, CONSTRUCT, AND MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND VISITORS IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WHEREAS ENGINEERING HAS BEEN CALLED THE INVISIBLE OR STEALTH PROFESSION, BECAUSE EVERYTHING AROUND US AND THINGS WE USE EVERY DAY HAVE BEEN ENGINEERED IN SOME WAY THAT WE MAY NOT SEE THE ENGINEERS BEHIND THE SCENES OR KNOW MUCH ABOUT ENGINEERING. WHEREAS FOUNDED IN 1951 NATIONAL ENGINEERS WEEK WAS TRADITIONALLY NAMED TO ENCOMPASS FEBRUARY 22ND, THE BIRTHDAY OF AMERICA'S FIRST ENGINEER, PRESIDENT GEORGE WASHINGTON. AND IT IS A DEDICATED TO ENSURING A DIVERSE AND WELL-EDUCATED FUTURE ENGINEERING WORKFORCE BY INCREASING UNDERSTANDING OF AN INTEREST IN ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY CAREERS WHEREAS NATIONAL ENGINEERS WEEK PROMOTES RECOGNITION AMONG PARENTS, TEACHERS, AND STUDENTS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF TECHNICAL EDUCATION AND HIGHER LEVEL OF MATH, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY LITERACY, AND MOTIVATES YOUTH TO PURSUE ENGINEERING CAREERS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A DIVERSE AND VIGOROUS ENGINEERING WORKFORCE. NOW, THEREFORE, I'M AT HALL, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF FEBRUARY 20TH THROUGH THE 26TH 2022 NATIONAL ENGINEERS WEEK IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. FRANK. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR, I GREATLY APPRECIATE ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION FOR ALL OF US ENGINEERS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO FOR ALL THE ENGINEERS THAT ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY AND THAT WORK IN THE CITY. WE RECOGNIZE AND WE APPRECIATE THAT MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ROLE. AND WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AND WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE THAT THE HIGH QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE PLAYS IN PROVIDING A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE THAT VISIT THE CITY. SO LASTLY, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE AWESOME OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITHIN THE CITY AND ALL THE GREAT PROJECTS WE GET TO WORK ON, AND WE'RE ALWAYS FOCUSED ON HOW WE CAN MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MANNER. SO THANK YOU ALL AND THANKS FOR THE PROCLAMATION. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU AND TO ALL YOUR CREW HERE IN THE CITY FOR WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DO, AND ALL THE ENGINEERS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. WELL DONE. OK, MOVING ON. [PUBLIC COMMENT] NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY PROVIDING COMMENTS AS PROVIDED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE COMMENTS AS REQUESTED, UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ALL OTHER NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE HELD TO THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT. NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON THESE ITEMS. WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY. IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST THREE DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. YOU WILL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW. WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS, [INAUDIBLE], CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD. MAYOR HALL AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST YOUR CONSIDERATION OF FILING [00:10:01] A RESOLUTION TO ENDORSE A VERY NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT AMENDMENT TO OUR STATE CONSTITUTION THAT REQUIRES OVER A MILLION SIGNATURES IN ORDER TO BE PUT BEFORE THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER 2022 IN ORDER TO RESTORE LOCAL CONTROL AND CITIZEN INPUT IN MAKING DECISIONS REGARDING LAND USE, ZONING AND WHAT GETS BUILT NEXT TO OUR HOMES. IT IS CALLED THE COMMUNITY PLANNING VOTER INITIATIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD VOICES. PLEASE NOTE THIS TRIPARTISAN LAND USE INITIATIVE PREVENTS THE STATE LEGISLATOR FROM DENYING FUNDING TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BASED ON THEIR IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS MEASURE. THE NEW STATE LAWS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DESTROY ANY SINGLE FAMILY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD IN EVERY CITY IN CALIFORNIA. IF JUST ONE HOMEOWNER, INVESTOR, OR DEVELOPER TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THIS NEW ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH MANDATED BY THE STATE BY REMOVING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND REPLACING THEM WITH EITHER TWO HOMES OR FOUR TO SIX TWO-STORY DUPLEXES. OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WILL LOSE NOT ONLY THE CHARACTER AND ENVIRONMENT WE MOVE THERE FOR BUT ALSO BACKYARD AREAS FOR GROWING FAMILIES TO PLAY, REMOVE PRIVACY, PEACE AND QUIET IN ONE'S OWN YARD. DESTROY GREEN SPACES AND MATURE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. THEREFORE, GOING AGAINST OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, INCREASE THE POTENTIAL FOR NOISE MORE EASILY SPREAD DISEASE DUE TO HIGHER DENSITY, INCREASED TRAFFIC AND CROWDED STREETS FILLED WITH PARK CARS, AND MORE QUICKLY USE UP OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE WATER. NOT TO MENTION THE STRAIN ON OUR EXISTING SEWAGE SYSTEM, WATER DELIVERY SYSTEM AND STREETS. I AM NOT THE LONE VOICE IN THIS ISSUE. MANY OF US HAVE INVESTED IN SUBURBIA BY CHOICE. MANY YEARS AGO, WE BOUGHT OUR HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONED COMMUNITIES, AND THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD REMAIN THAT WAY BY DEPRIVING US OF THIS PROPERTY RIGHT, THE STATE IS REMOVING OUR FREEDOM, LIBERTY AND CHOICE OF MAKING OUR OWN DECISIONS ON HOW AND WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE OUR LIVES. THE MAYORS AND SOME CITY COUNCIL MAYORS, MEMBERS FROM SAN MARCOS, SOLANA BEACH AND OCEANSIDE HAVE ALREADY ENDORSED THIS, ALONG WITH THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS. I URGE YOU TO SPEAK UP AND PROTECT THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS AND HOMEOWNERS WHO VOTE FOR YOU. PLEASE VISIT WWW.NEIGHBORHOODVOICES.COM TO ENDORSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE [INAUDIBLE]. CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD. SO I NEED TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, A STUDY FROM THE JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL SOCIETY TITLED MYOCARDITIS CASES REPORTED AFTER MRNA BASED COVID 19 VACCINATION AND THE U.S. CONDUCTED FROM DECEMBER 2020 TO AUGUST 2021. THIS IS JUST PUBLISHED A FEW DAYS AGO. IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PAPER, UNLIKE ANY STUDY PRECEDING, WENT FURTHER THAN JUST CORRELATING MYOCARDITIS WITH MRNA VACCINATIONS. IT ACTUALLY DETERMINES THE MRNA VACCINES ARE INDEED CAUSING SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF MYOCARDITIS. THE STUDY STATES THE RISK OF MYOCARDITIS AFTER RECEIVING MRNA BASED COVID 19 VACCINES WAS INCREASED ACROSS MULTIPLE AGE AND SEX STRATA AND WAS HIGHEST AFTER THE SECOND VACCINATION DOSE IN ADOLESCENT MALES AND YOUNG MEN. SO THEY DID USE VARIOUS DATA AND, OF COURSE, HAS BEEN UNFAIRLY DISCREDITED BY THE NEWS MEDIA THAT REALLY HAVE NO BUSINESS MAKING SUCH AN EVALUATION. BUT THE AUTHOR IS IN THIS JAMA PAPER FOLLOWED A STRICT PROCESS OF ADJUDICATING THE DATA. SO AS A PEER REVIEWED PAPER, WE CAN TRUST THIS STUDY TO BE RELIABLE. WHAT'S MORE THEY NOTED THAT THEIR DATA IS SUBJECT TO REPORTING BIASES THAT IN BOTH UNDERREPORTING AND OVER REPORTING ARE POSSIBLE. BUT GIVEN THE HIGH VERIFICATION RATE, THEY WROTE THIS OF THE REPORTS OF MYOCARDITIS. UNDERREPORTING IS MORE LIKELY. SO WHAT THEY FAIL TO PROVIDE IN THE PAPER, THOUGH, UNDER MY OWN ASSESSMENT OF THE READ, IS THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE A MINIMUM UNDERREPORTING FACTOR FOR THE DATA. SO OTHER RESEARCHERS WORKING IN THE VARIOUS DATA HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THIS MINIMUM FACTOR TO BE AROUND 40. SO WE CLEARLY HAVE A SITUATION HERE. THE FDA HAS APPROVED THESE VACCINES AS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE, BUT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT EFFECTIVE. SORRY, OBVIOUSLY NOT SAFE. [00:15:05] IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A MEMBER ON THIS COUNCIL THAT HAS AN ADVANCED DEGREE IN PUBLIC HEALTH. I WOULD HOPE THAT SHE IS PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT'S RAPIDLY UNFOLDING REGARDING SAFETY OF THESE VACCINES AND HAS DONE SOME OF HER OWN QUERIES ON ADVERSE EVENTS. IT'S INCUMBENT ON BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL TO KEEP OUR CITY SAFE. NOW, NOT FROM THE VIRUS, BUT FROM THE VACCINES. THE CDC HAS NOT DONE THAT, THE FDA HASN'T DONE IT, THE STATE'S NOT DOING IT, AND THE COUNTY HAS NOT DONE THAT. IN THE ABSENCE OF PROPER ACTION, THE CITY NEEDS TO STEP UP. I ASK, WHY ARE WE PUSHING VACCINATIONS ON THESE YOUNG KIDS? WHY ARE WE ALLOWING IT? POSSIBLY DAMAGING THEIR HEARTS FOR LIFE WHEN THERE IS NO RISK AT ALL FROM THE VIRUS AT THIS POINT. IT'S EVOLVED TO BE NO MORE VIRULENT THAN THE COMMON COLD. OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT SIMPLY. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS REAGAN MATTHEWS. CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? THANK YOU, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OK? YES, GO AHEAD. WONDERFUL, THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS REGAN MATTHEWS AND I LIVE AT SEVEN FIVE ZERO NINE SALONA STREET DISTRICT FOUR. DEAR, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FRIENDS. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CARLSBAD HIGH NOON ROTARY CLUB HERE IN CARLSBAD, AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR CARLSBAD STUDENTS AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CARLSBAD CITIZENS TO HELP THOSE STUDENTS. CARLSBAD HIGH NOON ROTARY CLUB IS PRESENTING ITS FIRST SCHOLARSHIP RAFFLE TO FUND THE SCHOLARSHIP POOL FOR HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS WHO RESIDE IN CARLSBAD. THIS YEAR, FUNDS RAISED WILL SUPPORT SCHOLARSHIPS FOR STUDENTS GOING TO A UNIVERSITY OR A TRADE SCHOOL OR A TECHNICAL SCHOOL. WE ARE RAISING MONEY TO SPECIFICALLY FUND SCHOLARSHIPS FOR HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS WHO RESIDE IN CARLSBAD BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR STUDENTS, STUDENT SCHOLARSHIP APPLICATIONS MAY BE DOWNLOADED FROM WWW.CARLSBADHIGHNOONROTARY.ORG ALONG WITH SCHOLARSHIP GUIDELINES. THE SCHOLARSHIP APPLICATION DEADLINE IS MARCH 30TH 2022 FOR ADULTS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION TO THIS, AND I INVITE ALL ADULTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SCHOLARSHIP RAFFLE. THE COST IS TWENTY DOLLARS PER TICKET OR SIX TICKETS FOR ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND CAN BE PURCHASED FROM A HIGH NOON ROTARIAN OR VIA MAIL BECAUSE DUE TO CALIFORNIA REGULATIONS, THEY PRECLUDE ONLINE PURCHASES. GENERAL DONATIONS MAY BE MADE TO YOUR WEBSITE. SALES CONCLUDE ON MARCH 30TH 2022 AND THE DRAWING FOR THE WINNER WINNERS IS ON MONDAY, APRIL 4TH 2022 AT THE CARLSBAD HIGH NOON ROTARY MEETING AT THE WESTIN IN CARLSBAD. THE WINNER DOES NOT NEED TO BE PRESENT TO WIN. MORE INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND AT THE CARLSBAD HIGH NOON ROTARY WEBSITE AT WWW.CARLSBADHIGHNOONROTARY.ORG. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS, MAYOR. OK. THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT [CONSENT CALENDAR] CALENDAR. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER ONE TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST THREE DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. YOU WILL BE NEEDED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON CONSENT. OK. MR. BLACKBURN, DO WE HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM. SECOND, PLEASE CALL ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. AYE. PRO TEM BLACKBURN. AYE. MAYOR HALL. AYE. CONSENT CALENDAR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON FROM ORDINANCES OF INTRODUCTION, WE HAVE NONE TONIGHT. ORDINANCES FOR ADOPTION, WE HAVE NONE TONIGHT. PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE NONE TONIGHT. [2. REVISED CITY COUNCIL POLICY NO. 5 – CITIZENS OF THE YEAR AWARD] DEPARTMENTAL AND CITY MANAGER REPORTS ITEM TO REVIVE CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER FIVE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR AWARD AND I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATIVE AND CONSULTANT SERVICES DIRECTOR SHEILA [INAUDIBLE] TO GIVE THIS PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'RE BRINGING THIS ITEM BEFORE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER MAKING AMENDMENTS TO THE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR AWARD COUNCIL POLICY TO ALIGN THE POLICY WITH CURRENT PRACTICES. THE POLICY WAS ESTABLISHED IN NINETEEN SEVENTY AND OVER THE YEARS, THE MANNER IN WHICH THE POLICY HAS BEEN ADMINISTERED HAS EVOLVED. THE POLICY CURRENTLY STATES THAT ONE CITIZEN WOULD BE RECOGNIZED EACH YEAR. HOWEVER, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JIMMY YOKOGAWA IN 2020 TWO OR MORE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN [00:20:03] RECOGNIZED EACH YEAR SINCE 1994, WE WOULD RECOMMEND CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THE TWO CITIZENS WOULD BE RECOGNIZED ANNUALLY. FURTHERMORE, THE POLICY STATES THAT THE CITIZENS WOULD BE RECOGNIZED AT THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN JANUARY. HOWEVER, THE RECOGNITION ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE IN THE SUMMER AT A MEETING DESIGNATED BY THE MAYOR. THE LAST ITEM THAT WE FEEL NEEDS CLARITY IS THE FACT THAT THE SELECTION COMMITTEE OF FIVE INDIVIDUALS IS CHOSEN BY THE MAYOR. WHAT'S NOT CURRENTLY CLEAR IS THAT THE MAYOR IS ONE OF THE FIVE INDIVIDUALS THAT IS PART OF THAT COMMITTEE. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT LANGUAGE BE ADDED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE MAYOR IS A MEMBER OF THE FIVE PERSON SELECTION COMMITTEE. STAFF INCLUDED TWO OPTIONS IN THE REPORT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OPTION ONE WAS TO APPROVE THE REVISED COUNCIL POLICY TO REFLECT THE CURRENT NOMINATION AND SELECTION PROCESS, AND OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF FOR ALTERNATIVE REVISIONS TO COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER FIVE. THAT CONCLUDES MY OVERVIEW OF THE ITEM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? BUT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER TWO TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST THREE DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. YOU WILL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. HEY, QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. YES, THANK YOU. AND THANKS FOR STUFF THANKS TO STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND REVISING IT, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THIS RED LIGHT VERSION OF THE POLICY STATEMENT, IT HAS NOT BEEN REVISED SINCE 1989. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO OUR ATTENTION TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT PRACTICES ACTUALLY ARE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES OUGHT TO BE. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SELECTION COMMITTEE, WHETHER THOSE ARE COMMISSIONERS FROM. I LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF OTHER STUDIES AND HOW THEY DO CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY TYPICALLY PICK SOMEONE FROM EACH COMMISSION AT THE CITY. DO WE DO THAT OR HOW DO WE SELECT THAT SELECTION COMMITTEE? THE MAYOR SELECTS THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. IT ISN'T DONE BY OUR CURRENT BOARD OR COMMISSIONERS OR THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. OK. SO DO THEY CHANGE EVERY YEAR? HOW DO WE KNOW WHO THOSE PARTICIPANTS ARE? MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE, I INHERITED SOME OF THEM FROM MAYOR LEWIS. AND SO THOSE WHO WANTED TO CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THAT ARE STILL ON THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN AS PEOPLE DROP OFF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEN WE APPOINT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND MOST OF THE MEMBERS I WILL SAY THAT ARE ON THE COMMITTEE ARE LONG STANDING AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE LONG STANDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF 25 YEARS. SO THEY HAVE A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMUNITY AND PERHAPS THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT I WAS KIND OF GETTING AT IS IF THERE'S ROTATION OR TURNOVER BECAUSE THE HISTORY IS OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO KIND OF REFRESHING WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT DIVERSITY IN THAT SELECTION COMMITTEE IS ALSO IMPORTANT, I BELIEVE. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DO FOR THIS, JUST TO MAKE SURE AS LONG AS WE'RE BRINGING IT UP, AS LONG AS WE'RE BREAKING THIS OPEN AND TAKING A LOOK AND TRYING TO MAKE IT THE BEST WE CAN, JUST SEEING WHAT OTHER CITIES DO AND HOW THEY STRUCTURE IT SO THAT IT'S TRANSPARENT. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO'S ON THE COMMITTEE, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE SELECTION PROCESS AND IT'S EQUITABLE. SO LIKE THE CITY OF YORBA LINDA, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE THE MAYOR AND A MEMBER OF EACH COMMISSION SIT ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND THEY PICK TWO PEOPLE A YEAR. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OURS. THAT'S WHY I BRING THAT ONE UP. I LOOKED AT THE CITY OF SAN RAFAEL AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE MAYOR AND A COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS SIT ON IT WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO APPLY TO BE ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. I LOOKED AT THE CITY OF LAFAYETTE, JUST DIFFERENT CITIES ALL OVER CALIFORNIA, AND THEY DO IT DIFFERENTLY. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME TRANSPARENCY TO WHO'S PARTICIPATING IN THE SELECTION AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW IT ALL WORKS. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, AND IT SOUNDS TO [00:25:02] ME LIKE IT'S STILL A LITTLE MURKY. THE SELECTION COMMITTEE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'VE BEEN ON FOR A LONG TIME. SO AND THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. NORBY. THANK YOU, MAYOR, I JUST I HAVEN'T PUT TOO MUCH THOUGHT INTO THE NUMBER ONE OR TWO UNTIL THE PRESENTATION AND THAT OUR OUR CITIZENS OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL. SO DOES THE LANGUAGE PRECLUDE US TO SELECT ONLY ONE, IS IT LIKE NO MORE THAN TWO OR AND I'M JUST THINKING OF IF THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE GOES THROUGH ITS PROCESSES AND DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN COME UP WITH TWO PEOPLE, IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO FORCE THEM TO CHOOSE TWO PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT WHATEVER TWENTY OUT OF TWENTY-ONE YEARS HAVE BEEN TWO PEOPLE, SO DOES THE LANGUAGE GIVE US THE ABILITY TO SELECT ONLY ONE IF IF THE COMMITTEE DEEMS ONLY ONE THAT YEAR, WE COULD USE THE LANGUAGE UP TO TWO. I THINK I WOULD PREFER THAT. I MEAN, IT JUST HAPPENED LAST YEAR THAT THERE WAS ONE. I HAVE NO IDEA OR REASON WHY TWO DIDN'T COME UP, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE. SO I THINK PERHAPS UP TO TWO WOULD BE BETTER. AND THEN I THINK I JUST, YOU KNOW, I GUESS BEING ONE OF THESE PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, IT WAS 1997, I BELIEVE, AND THE MAYOR AND HIS COMMITTEE SELECTED MYSELF TO BE ONE OF THE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR AWARDEES. AND IS THE COMMITTEE? IS IT A FORMAL? IT'S REALLY KIND OF A KITCHEN CABINET OR IS IT A FORMAL COMMITTEE OF THE CITY THAT GOES THROUGH MAYBE A FORMAL PROCESS? IT'S MORE INFORMAL, DON'T HAVE A FORMAL APPOINTMENT PROCESS FOR THIS. AND SO IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, PETER? SURE. YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE IS MADE UP FROM PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE, FROM ALL DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WE TRY TO GET PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS SO WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BROAD UNDERSTANDING OF MANY THINGS. SO YEAH. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HAD ALWAYS I WAS JUST GOING ABOUT MY WORK AND RUNNING MY BAKERIES AND I ALREADY HAD. ALWAYS ASSUMED IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. SO I WAS PRETTY SURPRISED WHEN I WAS, I THINK I WAS THIRTY FIVE YEARS OLD. AND THAT WAS A BIT OF A SHOCKER FOR ME. BUT IF MAYOR THURSDAY OR MS. [INAUDIBLE] AND IF THERE'S A VACANCY, IS COUNCIL NOTIFIED OF THE VACANCY SO WE CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. AND YOU KNOW, I KIND OF I THINK WE HAVE ONE ELECTED WHO IS ELECTED BY THE CITY AT WHOLE SERVES AS MAYOR. I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THIS MAYOR WILL NOT BE RUNNING FOR REELECTION PER FOR HIS WORDS. AND SO WE'RE REALLY DEALING LONG TERM. WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S BEEN WHO WILL BE MAYOR, WHO'LL BE MAKING THOSE SELECTIONS. BUT I GUESS WHAT'S IT CALLED WHEN THERE'S BEEN AN [INAUDIBLE], WHEN THERE'S BEEN SOMEBODY WHO FALLS OFF OR SOMEBODY, WE NEED A NEW MEMBER? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO WEIGH IN AT THAT TIME IN TERMS OF SUGGESTING A NEW MEMBER? BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INFORMAL, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY FORMAL NOTIFICATION OF WHEN A COMMITTEE MEMBER WOULD DROP OFF. SO I BELIEVE THE MAYOR REACHES OUT TO INDIVIDUALS AND ASK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SERVE DIRECTLY. OK. YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT COULD GO, YOU KNOW? I'M LEERY OF CHANGING SOMETHING THAT HAS WORKED SO BEAUTIFULLY FOR 50 ODD YEARS, AND THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS WITH MR. MAYOR LEWIS AND MAYOR HALL AND WILL BE FOR THE NEXT MAYOR AS WELL. BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A VACANCY, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO JUST KIND OF MAYBE PULL OR PING COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE ANYONE THAT THEY COULD RECOMMEND. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FORMALIZES THE GROUP. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE, I THINK, GOOD TO DO THAT. AND I WOULD CONCUR, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, MR. NORBY. NOW, DR. BHAT-PATEL. SURE, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE ASKED SOME GREAT QUESTIONS PRIOR TO ME. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT THE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR AS WELL, AND I APPRECIATE IT BRINGING BEING BROUGHT FORWARD AND US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND REALLY, REALLY BRIEFLY AROUND THE POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY BROUGHT UP WITH REGARDS TO THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THINKING ABOUT THAT [00:30:02] DIVERSITY IN TERMS OF WHO MIGHT BE NOMINATED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WAS CURIOUS TO HEAR IF IT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT IF AN ORGANIZATION WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE PART OF THE UNDER CONSIDERATION, SO LIKE IF THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING GOOD WORK AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE MULTIPLE CITIZENS AND IT COULD BE ROTATED, BUT INSTEAD IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD JUST SAY CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, CITIZENS OF THE YEAR, BUT THAT ORGANIZATION WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT THAT DEFINITION IS UNDER THERE. I KNOW THAT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THAT MANY TIMES, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THAT MEANS. IN HISTORY, THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ORGANIZATION, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN INDIVIDUALS. I WOULD IMAGINE WE COULD ADD LANGUAGE TO THE POLICY TO ENCOMPASS ORGANIZATIONS IF THAT WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL. OK, NO, I WAS JUST I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO HEARING FROM OTHERS, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS DOING AMAZING WORK THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. I KNOW THAT WE DO CITIZEN OF THE YEAR AND I KNOW IT'S CALLED CITIZENS OF THE YEAR, AND IT CAN OBVIOUSLY ENCOMPASS MULTIPLE. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR OBVIOUSLY WHAT THAT MEANT, SINCE WE HAVE WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AROUND THIS PARTICULAR POLICY. WHEN I READ IT AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE FROM ALL DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE. I THINK ABOUT OUR YOUTH. I THINK ABOUT JUST INTERGENERATIONAL FOLKS THAT COULD BE HONORED BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE ARE DOING SUCH AMAZING WORK HERE IN OUR CITY. AND I CAN SAY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN VOLUNTEERING IN THE COMMUNITY SINCE THEY WERE LIKE TWO AND DO DESERVE THAT RECOGNITION AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ENTITIES OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING GOOD WORK, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE RECOGNIZED? SO THAT WAS ONE PIECE. I DO WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENT WITH REGARDS TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, ALSO MENTIONED FOR IF THERE IS AND IT SOUNDED LIKE THE MAYOR WAS AMENABLE TO IT AS WELL. BUT IF THERE'S A MEMBER THAT'S FALLING OFF THE COMMITTEE, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS WOULD BE REALLY GREAT. I THINK AGAIN, THAT TRANSPARENCY PIECE WOULD BE HELPFUL. I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS AREN'T SURE WHO WAS ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE, AND SO THAT REALLY JUST HELPS FOR US TO AGAIN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT FOR FOLKS. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATIONS TO GET STUFF OUT THERE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, FOR SURE, LIKE, HEY, THERE'S THIS NOMINATION FORM THAT YOU CAN FILL OUT. SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S A GREAT OPTION AS WELL. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP. YEAH, I MEAN, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK THAT I THINK I ALREADY MENTIONED THIS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'D LOVE TO HEAR IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? YES, SIR. YES, MR. BLACKBURN. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT A MAYORAL TYPE OF AWARD, BUT I IF MR. NORBY WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE NOTIFIED WHEN THERE'S AN OPENING AND COUNCIL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE MAYOR. SO AT LEAST NOW HE HAS MORE SETS OF EYES OUT THERE SEEING, WHO'S AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHO'S DESERVING? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AND THE UP TO TWO RATHER THAN JUST ONE, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. SO IF MR. NORBY MADE THAT MOTION, I WOULD SECOND. MR. NORBY, YOU'RE MUTED. JUST IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CONVERSATION BEFORE, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TOO EARLY. THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD HAVE MR. NORBY IS THIS IS CITIZEN OF THE YEAR. IT'S NOT ORGANIZATION OF THE YEAR, SO I THINK IT IS ABOUT OUR CITIZENRY AND THOSE WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED NOT HOURS, BUT HUNDREDS OF HOURS AND MAYBE NOT ONLY IN ONE, IN ONE WAY, BUT IN MULTIPLE WAYS. THE OTHER THING IS IS IN THE PAST REACHING OUT FROM THE MAYOR, REACHING OUT, HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MORE THAN ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT A FUTURE AGENDA OR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM IS, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE CLARITY WHERE I WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO I THINK THAT ADDS CLARITY AND GIVES THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT I OR MR. [00:35:05] BLACKBURN IN THE FUTURE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO REACH OUT AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD ADDITION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, WELL, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD SUPPLY A NAME THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULD DO ANYTHING THAT COULD VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT IN TERMS OF HAVING DISCUSSIONS REGARDING CITY BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF AN OPEN NOTICE COUNCIL MEETING. SO WE WOULD STILL NEED TO COME UP WITH A POLICY THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT. AND CURRENTLY WHAT YOUR PROCEDURE SAYS IS THAT THE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED ANNUALLY. AND SO TO THAT ALL I CAN SAY IS I STILL HAVE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE FROM CLEAR BACK TO MR. LEWIS'S OR MAYOR LEWIS TIME AND ONE OF THE THINGS AS YOU, YOU KEEP THE LONGEVITY SO THEY KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WHO'S BEEN NOMINATED. IN FACT, SOME NAMES ROLL FROM YEAR TO YEAR BECAUSE SOME YEARS YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED. SO AND THEN OTHER YEARS, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH. SO I APPRECIATE US TIGHTENING THIS UP. AND I'M IN AGREEMENT, I THINK, WITH WHAT MR. NORBY AND MR. BLACKBURN HAVE SAID SO. I UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION TO. ANYTHING ELSE? THE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA HAS HER HAND UP. SHE'S NOT UP ON MY CAMERA, SO I FIGURE YOU COULDN'T SEE ME, NO PROBLEM. SO JUST TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION THUS FAR, JUST ABOUT LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN TIGHTEN IT UP AND MAKE IT STRONGER AND BETTER. THAT WAS MY POINT IN STARTING OFF THE QUESTIONING IS AS LONG AS WE'RE BRINGING IT UP FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1989. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE CAN STRENGTHEN IT AND MAKE IT BETTER. AND I'M WONDERING FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY WHERE THE SELECTION COMMITTEE IS, ARE THEY PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE OR HOW DO WE KNOW WHO'S ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE? IS THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION? HOW DO WE FIND THAT OUT? I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE, BUT I DO HAVE VIEWS ON THE COMMITTEE, IF YOU I BELIEVE THE CURRENT MEMBERS ARE JOANNE WHITTEN, JULIE NYGAARD, JULIE BAKER AND [INAUDIBLE] AND THE MAYOR. OK, SO THAT'S FIVE, RIGHT? YEAH, OK. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A REALLY LONG TIME WITH GREAT HISTORY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DOES CHANGE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY CHANGE. AND SOMETIMES IF WE DON'T LOOK BEYOND OUR NETWORK, WE DON'T LOOK BEYOND THE PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW, THEN WE'RE NOT EMBRACING DIVERSITY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THOSE PEOPLE. THEY'RE UNKNOWN QUANTITIES TO US. SO WE'RE NOT GOING BEYOND JUST THAT SPHERE OF OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT WE ALREADY KNOW. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE CHANGE, A LITTLE DIVERSITY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING BEYOND KIND OF THE NETWORK OF PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW AND THAT SPHERE. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEND THIS BACK TO STAFF AND TAKE A TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT HOW WE CAN ADD SOME TRANSPARENCY BY LOOKING AT OTHER EXAMPLES OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND KIND OF LIKE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WITH SOME SIMPLE RESEARCH ON MY OWN. BUT ACTUALLY HAVING STAFF DO THAT AND TAKE A LOOK AT A DEEPER LOOK AT WHAT IS THE BEST PRACTICES. WE LOVE CARLSBAD BUT WE WANT TO HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE SYSTEMS AND PROCESSES FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO. I THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO STRENGTHEN ONE OF OUR PROCESSES. THAT IS, I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO HASTY ABOUT ABOUT VOTING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S JUST A QUICK UPDATE WHEN WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE THIS STRONGER AND BETTER. SO THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO SEND IT BACK TO STAFF AND HAVE STAFF BRING IT BACK TO US WITH SOME STRONGER BEST PRACTICES BUILT IN. IN JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, IF YOU IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE RESUMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS COMMISSION, THEY ARE ABOUT AS BROAD AS YOU'RE GOING TO GET THEM. SO AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ALL IN A POLITICAL CLIQUE OR WE'RE ALL WE KNOW EACH OTHER, BUT WE REALLY ONLY COME TOGETHER ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR TO DO THE STUDIES ON THIS. IT'S I WOULD SAY, IT'S VERY DIVERSE AT THE MOMENT. MR. BLACKBURN, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS MS. ACOSTA CONCERN TONIGHT, AND I HEAR IT VERY CLEARLY. I'M WONDERING IF IT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THAT SOMEHOW WE WORD IT TO WHERE WHEN THERE'S AN OPENING ON THE COMMITTEE, THE COUNCIL CAN PUT IN RECOMMENDATIONS. [00:40:05] THE FINAL DECISION WILL BE THAT OF THE MAYOR, BUT THEY CAN BRING UP NAMES. MAYBE THE MAYOR WASN'T AWARE OF. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO WHO IS GOING TO BE SELECTED AS THE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, THAT ALSO THE COUNCIL CAN HAVE NAMES TO SUBMIT TO THE COMMITTEE SO THE COMMITTEE MIGHT HAVE THEIR EYES OPEN TO SOMEONE THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ON THEIR RADAR. NOT THAT IT'LL BE A COUNCIL DECISION, BUT IT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO BRING FORWARD NAMES FOR THE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THAT. MAYBE THE COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE OVERLOOKED. AND I THINK THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE PAST MR. BLACKBURN. I'M JUST TRYING TO TIGHTEN UP OUR POLICY, AND IF IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE POLICY, MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. MS. BHAT-PATEL HAS HER HAND UP. THANK YOU. JUST BRIEFLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SHARING, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE REVISIONS TO OUR STAFF. AND I JUST WANT TO EXPEDITE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE BECAUSE IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS AROUND THINGS THAT THEY DID NOT BRING FORWARD FOR US TO DISCUSS TODAY. AND SO WHAT I WOULD SAY WOULD BE HELPFUL SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK INTO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTING TO TIGHTEN UP WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION, WHICH WOULD BE OPTION TWO FOR THEM TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE REVISIONS TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER FIVE AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO US WHEN THEY ARE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO. MR. NORBY, YEAH, IT'S AN INTERESTING TIME IN THIS CITY AND KIND OF ENGAGING MAYBE 50 YEARS OF PAST HISTORY AND ACTIVITIES VERSUS WHERE THE CITY IS RIGHT NOW, THAT CAN BE A REAL HARD NEEDLE TO THREAD. I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY FOR ME COME DOWN. YOU KNOW, I HAVE NOT KNOWN THIS SELECTION PROCESS IN ANY YEAR TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF A PERSON WHO IS SELECTED WITH GREAT DIVERSITY. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T COUNTED THE WINNERS AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND WHO THEY CAME FROM. AND I'VE JUST I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF THEM AND JUST KNOW THEM TO BE GREAT CITIZENS, QUITE FRANKLY AND WORTHY OF THE DESIGNATION. AND SO I'D LIKE TO PUT FORWARD AND KNOWING THAT THIS COULD CHANGE IN THE YEARS TO COME. KNOWING THAT I THINK MAYOR HALL HAS CHOSEN TO JUST CONTINUE WHAT MAYOR LEWIS HAD DONE FOR SO MANY YEARS AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW MAYOR NEXT YEAR AND THAT THAT MAYOR MAY BRING SOMETHING FORWARD TO TO CHANGE THAT. BUT IT IS THE ONE SEAT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY THAT IS ELECTED AT LARGE. I THINK THIS PERSON WHO SERVES AS MAYOR HAS THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND THE WHOLE CITY. I THINK ALL OF US AS INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER WE'RE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR NOT, CAN NOMINATE AND SELECT A PERSON. SO I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ALONG THE WAY, AT LEAST FOR MY 20 PERCENT THAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING IN THE PAST. AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OFFER MOTION THAT WE. KIND OF ACCEPT [INAUDIBLE] RECOMMENDATION WITH TWO CHANGES, ONE IS THAT WE SELECT UP TO TWO MEMBERS AND THE OTHER ONE IS THAT WHEN THERE IS A THAT WE ARE INFORMED AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN THERE IS A COMMITTEE VACANCY. AND SO ONE BY ONE, NOT ALL TOGETHER IN COUNCIL DELIBERATION, BUT IF WE CAN JUST SIMPLY LET THE MAYOR KNOW IF WE THINK THERE'S A WORTHY INDIVIDUAL TO SERVE AND I WILL TRUST OUR STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO NOT MAKE THAT A VIOLATION OR IF WE NEED TO DO IT PUBLICLY IN A MEETING OR IF WE CAN JUST DO IT, YOU KNOW, WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH ONE, I REALIZE THAT COULD BE DIFFICULT. BUT WHATEVER STAFF NEEDS TO DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND I SEE I THINK I SEE MS. BREWER HANDS UP OUR CITY ATTORNEY. I DO. I CAN OFFER YOU SOME POTENTIAL LANGUAGE, AND THAT WOULD BE THAT VACANCIES WILL BE REPORTED TO THE CITY CLERK, WHO SHALL THEN SOLICIT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE MAYOR'S CONSIDERATION. THAT IS PERFECT FOR ME. I WOULD ASK THAT THAT LANGUAGE BE INCLUDED AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION, THOSE TWO CHANGES. AND I DO WANT TO SAY I HAVE ONE OTHER CHANGE JUST TO REFLECT CURRENT PRACTICE AND THAT WOULD BE IN PROCEDURE A. INSTEAD OF SELECTION COMMITTEES SHALL BE APPOINTED ANNUALLY, WE WOULD SAY SELECTION COMMITTEES MEMBERS SHALL REMAIN ON THE COMMITTEE INDEFINITELY, FOLLOWED BY THE LANGUAGE [00:45:04] YOU JUST ADDED, WHICH IS WHEN THERE'S A VACANCY. THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO ME IF THAT'S BEEN PASSED PRACTICE AS WELL. BUT I DO STRONGLY BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE THE MAYOR'S CHOICE AGAIN AS THE ONE REPRESENTATIVE WHO'S ELECTED ON THIS BODY ELECTED CITYWIDE. THAT'S MY A MOTION. AND MS. BREWER, MAY I ASK A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT? YES SIR. BY PUTTING THAT WORDING IN THERE, THE CURRENT MEMBERS WILL CONTINUE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OUT IF THE THE MAYOR DECIDES THAT SOMEONE IS NOT PULLING THEIR WEIGHT, THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO BE REPLACED AND THE WAY YOU WORDED IT, IT ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE THEY COULDN'T BE REPLACED. I CAN SAY THAT THEY'LL SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE MAYOR WITHOUT A TERM. MR. NORBY, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, THAT IS ACCEPTABLE? WELL, SECOND, MR. NORBY'S MOTION. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THIS IS A COUNCIL POLICY WHICH REQUIRES FOUR FIFTHS VOTE TO APPROVE AMEND AND I APOLOGIZE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. I'D LIKE TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT WE ALSO INCLUDE UNDER THE PROCEDURE THAT THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MEMBERS BE PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE. THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE SECOND AS WELL. OK. NOT SEEN ANY MORE HANDS. I'LL CALL THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER, BHAT-PATEL. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. AYE. MAYOR HALL. AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OK, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE, THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE AND BEFORE I INTRODUCED SENIOR [3. HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE] PLANNER SCOTT DONNELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AGENDA ITEMS WE MAY HAVE THIS YEAR. SO HOPEFULLY THE COMMUNITY IS LISTENING AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR INPUT. SO WITHOUT MR. DONALD, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE PRESENTATION? CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR HALL AND GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN. SO THE PROPOSAL TODAY IS TO DISCUSS THE SITE SELECTION PROCESS THAT'S BEEN UNDERWAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND TO RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM YOU ON THOSE SITES, WE CAN TAKE FORWARD THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY TO BRING BACK TO YOU AS PROPOSED REZONING. ANOTHER PART OF THIS PRESENTATION TODAY IS TO SEEK YOUR CONCURRENCE ON A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH THE CONSULTANT FOR THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED SINCE ITS BEGINNING. [INAUDIBLE] CONSULTANTS. PRESENTATION TODAY, I WANT TO FIRST START OFF WITH PROVIDING SOME BACKGROUND SO WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, WHY WE NEED TO IDENTIFY SITES TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE HOUSING, AND ALONG WITH THAT, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT'S BEEN CONDUCTED SO FAR ON THOSE SITES, AS WELL AS OPTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, BOTH IN TERMS OF SITES THAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, AS WELL AS OPTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW ITSELF, AND THEN ALSO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT, AS I MENTIONED, AND THEN FINALLY CONCLUDE WITH RECOMMENDED ACTIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE ALONG WITH THE NEXT STEPS WHERE WE WILL TAKE THE PROJECT FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. THE ACTION THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER TODAY IS, FIRST OF ALL, TO RECEIVE THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WAS GATHERED IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR, PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THE SITES TO STUDY, APPROVE THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT AND FINALLY TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES TO THESE SITES. IDENTIFYING A PREFERRED SITE, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES AND FOR ANY ALTERNATIVES, CONSIDER PROVIDING FUNDING FROM THE CITY'S COUNCIL CONTINGENCY. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE ACTION TODAY IS JUST REALLY AN INTERMEDIATE STEP IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY REACH FRUITION NEXT YEAR WHEN WE BRING FORWARD TO YOU ACTUAL PROPERTIES FOR RED ZONE. BUT AT THIS POINT, AS OF FEBRUARY 2022, ALL WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING IS FURTHER DIRECTION WITH REGARDS TO SITES THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO STUDY. THE ACTION TODAY WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANY REZONING OF ANY PROPERTY, WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANY HOUSING CONSTRUCTION. IT'S JUST FURTHER IDENTIFICATION OF PROPERTIES SUBJECT TO FURTHER STUDY. [00:50:06] BY WAY OF BACKGROUND. THE CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR APPROVED AN UPDATE TO OUR HOUSING ELEMENT. THIS IS A STATE MANDATED DOCUMENT. THE HOUSING ELEMENTS PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE A STRATEGY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS THROUGH THE YEAR 2029 AND WHAT IT DOES IS ESTABLISH A STRATEGY FOR IDENTIFYING ALL SORTS OF HOUSING ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S A SENIOR CITIZEN, HOUSING WAYS TO HOUSE THE HOMELESS OR IN THIS CASE TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH ESTIMATES FROM THE STATE. THAT'S WHAT THE HOUSING ELEMENT DOES. AND IN PARTICULAR, THE PART OF THE STRATEGY THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS PROGRAM ONE POINT ONE, WHICH DEALS WITH THE REZONING OF PROPERTIES, THE REZONING PROGRAM. IN ADDITION TO APPROVING THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE, THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO FOUND THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLANS HOUSING CAPS TO BE UNENFORCEABLE. YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE CAPS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE PLAN FOR EACH OF THE CITY'S QUADRANTS A LIMIT, IN OTHER WORDS, TO THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT CAN BE BUILT BASED ON STATE LAW. THE CITY COUNCIL MADE THE FINDING THAT THOSE CAPS ARE NO LONGER ENFORCEABLE. THE FINAL ACTION TAKEN LAST YEAR WAS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF ON FINDING ADDITIONAL OR ALTERNATIVE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, ABOUT THREE MONTHS AFTER CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION, WE DID SUBMIT THE DOCUMENT TO THE STATE, WHICH DID CERTIFY IT. FINDING THAT THE UPDATED ELEMENT COMPLIED SUBSTANTIALLY WITH STATE LAW. AND THEN A MONTH LATER, WE CAME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, THIS TIME WITH A PROPOSED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN ON THE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES. AND THAT PLAN WOULD INCLUDE NOT ONLY THOSE SITES THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE UPDATED HOUSING ELEMENT, BUT ALSO FOR ALTERNATIVE SITES WHICH THE CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDED BE INCLUDED. SO GETTING BACK TO HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM ONE POINT ONE, IT IS OUR REZONING PROGRAM AND IT'S DESIGNATED TO MEET OUR HOUSING UNIT TARGET. AND THAT'S JUST A QUICKER WAY OF TALKING ABOUT THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT OR ARENA. ARENA IS OUR STATE MANDATED GROWTH FORECAST LIKE ALL JURISDICTIONS UP AND DOWN CALIFORNIA. CARLSBAD HAS A SHARE OF HOUSING NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE STATE FORECASTED GROWTH THROUGH THE YEAR 2029. THAT FORECASTED GROWTH MUST BE AT CERTAIN DENSITIES, DENSITIES THAT THE STATE CONSIDERS TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR EITHER LOWER OR MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. AND THIS NEXT SLIDE IS A TABLE THAT IDENTIFIES THE CITY'S RHNA HOUSING UNIT TARGET. THAT'S THE TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT, OR TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT UNITS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH THOSE STATE GROWTH ESTIMATES. THAT NUMBER BREAKS DOWN INTO THE TWO INCOME CATEGORIES. YOU SEE BOTH LOWER AND MODERATE THE LOWER INCOME CATEGORY. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE OVER TWO THOUSAND UNITS AT A MINIMUM DENSITY OF TWENTY SIX AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S WHAT THE STATE SEES AS CARLSBAD AS MINIMUM FOR ACHIEVING LOWER INCOME HOUSING, AND THE DENSITY IS LOWER, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MODERATE INCOME CATEGORY 11 AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT EVEN THOUGH WE ARE LOOKING AT A PROGRAM THAT WOULD DESIGNATE SITES FOR THESE DIFFERENT INCOME CATEGORIES. IN REALITY, THE UNITS THAT ARE BUILD ON THE SITES WILL NOT BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE MOST PART TO LOWER OR MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES. INSTEAD, IT REQUIRES SOME KIND OF INTERVENTION BY THE CITY GOVERNMENT FUNDING, FOR EXAMPLE, OR TYPICALLY IN CARLSBAD OUR INCLUSIONARY PROGRAM, WHICH WILL MORE THAN LIKELY RESULT IN ABOUT 15 PERCENT OF ANY HOUSING THAT GETS BUILT ON ANY OF THE POTENTIAL SITES AS ACTUALLY BEING SET ASIDE FOR RENT RESTRICTED OR SOMEHOW DEED RESTRICTED TO TRULY BE AFFORDABLE TO LOWER AND MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES. SO WITH THAT, A BIT OF A SEGWAY. I DO WANT TO ALSO GO BACK TO THIS PROGRAM ONE POINT ONE TO SAY THAT THIS WHOLE EFFORT TO IDENTIFY TO RE-ZONE PROPERTIES MUST BE COMPLETED BY APRIL OF 2024. THE CITY'S OBJECTIVE IS ACTUALLY TO COMPLETE IT IN THE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. SO WITH THE RHNA HOUSING UNIT TARGET IDENTIFIED, WE KNOW WE NEED TO FIND SITES FOR TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED UNITS. OUR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL LAND INVENTORY, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE APPROVED, CERTAINLY HELP ARE NOT ENOUGH TO MEET THE ENTIRE NEED, AND THAT'S WHY WE STILL NEED TO FIND ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES TO HOUSE THOSE NEARLY TWO THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED UNITS. AND THIS IS A MAP THAT SIMPLY IDENTIFIES THE 18 SITES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AS LOCATIONS FOR THAT FUTURE HOUSING. AND YOU'LL SEE THE FOUR SITES IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT THAT ARE CIRCLED. THOSE WERE SITES THAT WERE ADDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. AND ALL OF THIS REALLY COMES ON THE BACK OF MUCH EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE FOR [00:55:02] THE PAST TWO PLUS YEARS NOW, THE CITY COUNCIL, ALL THE WAY BACK IN DECEMBER 2019, FORMED A CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE, THE HOUSING ELEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OR HEAC, WHICH REALLY HAD THE PURPOSE OF ASSISTING THE CITY WITH PREPARATION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT. AND A VERY LARGE PART OF THAT WAS PROVIDING THE INITIAL FILTER AND PUBLIC DISCUSSION OPPORTUNITY FOR WHAT SHOULD BE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES AND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE HEAC MEETINGS, AS WELL AS AN ONLINE SURVEY IN AUGUST OF THAT YEAR, WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONFIRMATION AS TO WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD SITE. SITES LOCATED IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS SITES LOCATED IN COMMERCIAL AREAS ARE THOSE GOOD LOCATIONS FOR HOUSING. THAT WAS THE KIND OF QUESTION BOTH THE HEAC DEBATED, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE ONLINE SURVEY. AND THE RESULTS OF THAT REALLY ENDED UP IN THE DRAFT HOUSING ELEMENTS THAT WERE PRODUCED OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS FROM NOVEMBER THROUGH APRIL, AT WHICH TIME THE DRAFTS OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT IDENTIFIED WHAT THE POTENTIAL SITES WOULD BE. AND OF COURSE, THAT CONCLUDED WITH CITY COUNCIL'S UPDATE OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT IN APRIL, WHICH CONCLUDED A IN APPENDIX C, WHICH IDENTIFIED THE MAJORITY OF THE SITES THAT ARE NOW BEING CONSIDERED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND OF COURSE, IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, WE ALSO BROUGHT BACK FOR YOU A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLAN THAT WOULD ENABLE US TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO GAIN FURTHER COMMUNITY INPUT ON THOSE HOUSING SITES, AND THAT COMMUNITY INPUT TOOK PLACE IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR OVER SEVERAL WEEKS. AND THAT REALLY BRINGS US TO THE CURRENT DATE OF FEBRUARY 2022, WHERE WE ARE NOW ASKING YOU FOR A REFINING OF THE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. BUT I DON'T WANT TO INDICATE THAT THIS MEETING IS THE END OF PUBLIC INPUT AT ALL BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT THE PROJECT WILL GO THROUGH IN PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE CERTAINLY ARE PLENTY MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN ON THESE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES. SO LET'S FOCUSED A BIT ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT OCCURRED LAST YEAR, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, LARGELY VIRTUAL. WE HAD BOTH AN ONLINE SURVEY, TWO VIRTUAL WORKSHOPS AND AN ONLINE INTERACTIVE MAP. THE MEANS TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO SPREAD THE WORD, INCLUDING FLIERS AT VARIOUS CITY FACILITIES AND OTHER TOPICS SUCH AS USING SOCIAL MEDIA AND NEWSLETTERS, AS WELL AS IN-PERSON COMMUNITY PRESENTATIONS TO BOTH HELP SPREAD THE WORD AND DRUM UP INTEREST AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK ON THE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES AND THE CORNERSTONE OF A LOT OF THE OUTREACH WAS THE INTERACTIVE MAP, WHICH WAS A TERRIFIC RESOURCE DEVELOPED BY OUR GIS DEPARTMENT THAT ENABLED ANYBODY TO GO AND ZOOM IN AND OUT OF THE MAP OF CARLSBAD, FOCUS ON PARTICULAR SITES, FIND OUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THEM, WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN TERMS OF WHETHER FROM GOVERNMENT TO RESIDENTIAL, FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THE COLOR CODING SYSTEM THAT YOU SEE HERE. THE INTERACTIVE MAP WAS ALSO VERY EFFECTIVE IN HIGHLIGHTING EACH OF THE 18 SITES AND ENABLING A USER TO THEN CLICK ON THEM TO BRING UP THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND WHILE THIS WAS USED AND WAS THE BASIS FOR A LOT OF THE INPUT IN THE FALL, IT STILL SERVES AS A VERY USEFUL TOOL TODAY THAT PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO REFER TO ON THE CITY'S HOUSING PLAN UPDATE WEB PAGE. SO HERE'S WHAT WE HEARD BASED ON THE INPUT GATHERED FROM PEOPLE REVIEWING THE MAP, TAKING PART IN THE ONLINE SURVEY FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE VIRTUAL WORKSHOPS. CERTAINLY, WE RECEIVED BOTH GENERAL COMMENTS ON THE SITES AS A WHOLE ON THE IDEA OF ADDING MORE HOUSING TO THE CITY, AS WELL AS VERY SPECIFIC COMMENTS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEARLY THOUSAND SURVEY PARTICIPANTS COMMENTS FROM THEM, THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS OR WHO SENT EMAILS AND LETTERS, GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT MORE HOUSING IN CARLSBAD TENDED TO BE THESE TOPICS. GENERALLY, A HIGHLIGHTS OF THEM INCLUDE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION, CROWDING IN SCHOOLS, AND TOO MUCH HOUSING IS ALREADY PLANNED IN THE NORTH PART OF THE CITY, PARTICULARLY THE VILLAGE. THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUGHT TO BE LOCATED AWAY FROM THE COAST, WHERE LAND IS MORE EXPENSIVE AND PUT IN THE INLAND PORTIONS OF THE CITY, OR PERHAPS EVEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES NEAR CARLSBAD. GENERALLY, PEOPLE FELT THAT HOUSING AND INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS WAS OK. THERE WAS ALSO GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT HOUSING SHOULD BE CONVENIENT TO AMENITIES, PARKS, SHOPPING, SHOPPING AND JOBS. AS FAR AS SITE SPECIFIC COMMENTS BASED PRIMARILY ON THE EMAILS AND LETTERS, WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE BOTH LIKES AND DISLIKES IN TERMS OF COMMENTS RECORDED FOR EACH SITE, ENABLING US TO DEVELOP A RANKING. [01:00:01] THAT SAME ABILITY WAS ALSO DETERMINED FROM THE SURVEY PARTICIPANTS. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT EITHER LIKED OR DISLIKE THE SITES BECAUSE MOST OF THE LETTERS AND EMAILS WERE FROM RESIDENTS NEAR THE DIFFERENT HOUSING SITES. WE USE THOSE PRIMARILY AS A BASIS FOR HELPING US DETERMINE WHICH SITES RECEIVE THE MOST PUBLIC OPPOSITION. THE ONLINE SURVEY, ON THE OTHER HAND, PROVIDES A MUCH BROADER INPUT INPUT AND ALSO GIVES BOTH STAFF, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AN IDEA OF HOW PEOPLE FELT ON EACH OF THE DIFFERENT SITES. BUT IT'S THE LETTERS AND EMAILS THAT WERE REALLY WRITTEN FROM RESIDENTS NEAR SOME OF THE HOUSING SITES, WHICH ENABLED US TO DETERMINE OPPOSITION IN SOME CASES. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WITH ALL OF THE SITE SPECIFIC COMMENTS, AS WELL AS THOSE GENERATED FROM THE ONLINE SURVEYS AND VIRTUAL MEETINGS, NONE OF THE SITES WERE TRULY SUPPORTED FROM A 100 PERCENT STANDPOINT. ALL OF THEM GENERATED SOME KIND OF LEVEL OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. SO THIS CHART SIMPLY SHOWS HOW THE SITES RANK BASED ON THE COMMENTS RECEIVED THROUGH LETTERS AND EMAILS OF ALL THE 18 DIFFERENT SITES IDENTIFIED. AND YOU CAN SEE IMMEDIATELY THAT THERE WAS A STRONG OPPOSITION FOR SITE THREE, WHICH IS A VACANT CLUSTER OF PROPERTIES AT CHESTNUT AND [INAUDIBLE] FOR SITE FOUR, WHICH IS A VACANT SET OF PROPERTIES AT THE INTERSECTION OF COLLEGE AND [INAUDIBLE] AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, SITE EIGHT, WHICH IS A IN EXISTING APARTMENT PROJECT ALONG [INAUDIBLE] PARKWAY, JUST SOUTH OF [INAUDIBLE] AIRPORT ROAD. THOSE THREE SITES, IN PARTICULAR BASED ON MAILED AND EMAILED COMMENTS, RECEIVED THE MOST INTEREST GENERATED THE MOST OPPOSITION. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE BY AND LARGE, THE OTHER SITES TOO ALSO HAD SOME NUMBER OF EITHER LIKES OR DISLIKES. IF WE FOCUS ON THOSE THREE SITES, THREE, FOUR AND EIGHT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE OVERALL MAP HERE OR SITE THREE AT CHESTNUT AND [INAUDIBLE] IS IN THE NORTH PART OF THE CITY. THE SITE FOUR THAT INCLUDES THE PROPERTY OWNED BY WAL-MART. THAT WAS AT ONE POINT, I THINK CONSIDERED FOR A WAL-MART SUPERMARKET AND THEN SITE EIGHT, AGAIN LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF [INAUDIBLE] AIRPORT ROAD. I DO WANT TO MENTION TOO, THAT BASED ON THE ONLINE SURVEY, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED AS PART OF IT, BOTH SITE THREE AND FOUR RANKED AMONG THE HIGHEST SITE. EIGHT WAS NOT RANKED AMONG THE HIGHEST BASED ON THE ONLINE SURVEY, BUT SITE 14, WHICH IS THE NCTD COASTER STATION IN THE VILLAGE AND SITE 18, WHICH IS THE NORTH PONTO PARCELS, A GROUP OF PARCELS IN THE PONTO AREA WERE BOTH IDENTIFIED BY PARTICIPANTS OF THE ONLINE SURVEY AS SITES GENERATING AMONG THE MOST OPPOSITION. SO TAKING A LITTLE MORE CLOSE LOOK AT THE THREE SITES BASED ON THE EMAILS AND LETTERS THAT GENERATED OPPOSITION SITE THREE HERE AT THE CORNER OF CHESTNUT AND [INAUDIBLE]. THE PROPOSAL HERE WOULD BE TO TAKE IT FROM A LOW DENSITY DESIGNATION AS CURRENTLY EXISTS TO A MEDIUM DENSITY 11 AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE. THIS SITE IS ONLY TWO AND A HALF ACRES. IT WOULDN'T GENERATE A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF UNITS TWENTY EIGHT UNITS, BUT IT WOULD HELP MEET PART OF THE MODERATE INCOME NEED. IT IS ALSO A SITE THAT HAS PROPERTY OWNERS SUPPORT. SOME OF THE PROS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BASED ON COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, FAVORED THIS SITE BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION TO SCHOOLS AND ITS COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDINGS. ON THE OTHER HAND, OPPOSITION WAS ALSO SUBMITTED IN TERMS OF COMMENTS THAT EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY AND DIFFICULTY WITH FOLKS ENTERING AND EXITING THE SITE AND DOING SO IN A MANNER THAT WOULD BE SAFE TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY TO KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL. A SITE FOR CONSISTS OF THREE PROPERTIES AT THE CORNER OF [INAUDIBLE] AND COLLEGE BOULEVARD. THE PRIMARY PARCEL OF THIS SITE IS THE WAL-MART PROPERTY THAT'S SHOWN IN BLUE. THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT WITH THE ASTERISK IS THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE KELLY PROPERTY. THIS IS THE ONE PROPERTY OF ALL OF THE SITES IN WHICH WE HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OF OPPOSITION INDICATING THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY'S REZONING PROGRAM. AS THE CITY HAS PROPOSED, THAT'S WHY THE INDICATION AT THE LEFT COLUMN HERE THAT WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS SUPPORT FOR SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, THE WAL-MART PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, BUT NOT ESPECIALLY FOR THE KELLY PROPERTY MARKET BY THE ASTERISK. AS FAR AS PROS AND CONS, FOLKS SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THE UNDERUTILIZED NATURE OF THE SITE. IT FELT DEVELOPMENT HERE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDINGS AND COULD SUPPORT TRANSIT. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE CONS EXPRESSED REGARDED THE FACT THAT IT REPRESENTS, IF CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL, A LOSS OF A POTENTIAL SHOPPING CENTER AND EXPRESSED CONCERNS REGARDING [01:05:03] CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY EXISTS ALONG [INAUDIBLE] AND THE LAST OF THE THREE CONTROVERSIAL SITES. SITE 8A AN APARTMENT DUPLEX PROJECT KNOWN AS COTTAGE ROW ALONG AVR PARKWAY. PRESENTLY, THERE ARE 26 DUPLEX UNITS ON THIS, POTENTIALLY IF THE SITE WERE DESIGNATED ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY UNITS COULD BE BUILT HERE ON THIS SITE, FOR WHICH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST AGAIN. PROS AND CONS. PEOPLE WEIGHED IN ON THE SITE, NOTING THAT ITS FAVORED LOCATION CONSIDERING ITS LOCATION OR PROXIMITY TO PARKS AND SERVICES, BUT ALSO FELT THAT IF IT WERE DEVELOPED WITH MORE APARTMENTS, THAT WOULD REPRESENT BOTH AN INCREASE IN NOISE AND TRAFFIC AND PERHAPS AN INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. I DO WANT TO COUCH ALL OF THIS IN THE FRAMEWORK OF EXPRESSING THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE A NUMBER OF BOTH EXISTING AFFORDABLE PROJECTS PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND NOT YET BUILT THAT WOULD REPRESENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOTH TO COME AND ON THE GROUND TODAY THROUGHOUT CARLSBAD. AND THIS COLOR CODED MAP HERE, WHICH IS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, IDENTIFIES THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS NOT ONLY OF THE EXISTING AND APPROVED HOUSING, BUT ALSO OF EACH OF THE 18 POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES. AND THIS TABLE IDENTIFIES ALL OF THE EXISTING APPROVED AND POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY QUADRANT. WHAT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE ABOUT THIS TABLE, IN PARTICULAR, IS IF YOU LOOK AT COLUMN A, THE MAJORITY OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE CITY SOUTH OF [INAUDIBLE] AIRPORT ROAD. IF YOU LOOK AT COLUMN D, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S WHICH IS A BIT COLUMN D REPRESENTS THE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE ON THE 18 POTENTIAL SITES. YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT THAT NUMBER IS QUITE LARGE. AND THE CAVEAT TO THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THOSE SIXTEEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN UNITS IDENTIFIED AT THE TOP OF COLUMN D, 60 PERCENT OF THOSE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY CONSTRUCTED ON THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD. THAT IS A PROPERTY IN WHICH THE CITY OWNS THE PARKING LOT AROUND THE MALL BUILDINGS. POTENTIALLY, THE PARKING LOT COULD BE REDEVELOPED WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AS FAR AS OPTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE SITES THAT BASICALLY THEY BREAK DOWN INTO TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, ONE IS MAPPING OPTIONS WHETHER TO CHOOSE AN OPTION THAT DIRECTS GOING FORWARD WITH ALL THE PROPERTIES OR JUST WITH SOME OF THEM, AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OPTIONS AND THE OPTIONS BREAK DOWN AS FOLLOWS. THE FIRST OPTION IS THAT CITY COUNCIL COULD DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE REZONING OF ALL OF THE 18 SITES, AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE THE FLEXIBILITY THE DIVERSITY OF THE SITE LOCATION. DOING SO EXCEEDS THAT RHNA TARGET, WHICH GIVES THE CITY ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY. A CON ASSOCIATED WITH THIS OPTION IS THAT IT DOES INCLUDE THOSE CONTROVERSIAL SITES, NOT ONLY THOSE IDENTIFIED BY THE LETTERS AND EMAILS, BUT ALSO THOSE BASED ON THE ONLINE SURVEYS. OPTION TWO IS IDENTICAL TO OPTION ONE, EXCEPT IT ELIMINATES THOSE SITES BASED ON LETTERS AND EMAILS THAT RECEIVE THE MOST OPPOSITION. THIS OPTION ENABLES THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO MEET ITS RHNA TARGET, ALTHOUGH WITH A SMALLER BUFFER. OPTION THREE BREAKS DOWN AS FOLLOWS, AND IT HAS FIVE SUB OPTIONS, THE FIRST IS A SITE MODIFICATIONS. WHAT IF THE CITY COUNCIL WERE TO DIRECT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT DENSITY AND UNIT YIELD AT THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD COULD BE INCREASED, OR THAT THE UNIT YIELD THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE EXPECT AT THE TWO COASTER STATION SITES COULD BE INCREASED. BASED ON THOSE INCREASES, ITS POTENTIAL THAT THE YIELDS FROM THESE TWO SITES WOULD YIELD AN ADDITIONAL THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY UNITS BEYOND WHAT THE SITE INFORMATION REFLECTS TODAY. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD GIVE THE CITY ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY AND OPTIONS. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS COUNTER TO CONCERNS ABOUT MORE HOUSING IN THE NORTH PART OF THE CITY. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER SITE ALTERNATIVES. ADDITIONAL SITES COULD BE ELIMINATED BESIDES SITES THREE, FOUR, AND EIGHT, INCLUDING PROPERTIES THAT ONLINE SURVEY PARTICIPANTS DID NOT FAVOR. OPTION THREE D LOOKS AT ELIMINATING OUTLYING INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS A CALTRANS MAINTENANCE YARD. AND FINALLY, OPTION 3E SUGGESTS ELIMINATING TWO CITY OWNED SITES ONE A VACANT PARCEL CREATED AS PART OF THE CROSSING'S GOLF COURSE, AND THE OTHER A PRESENT CITY MAINTENANCE YARD ALONG OAK AVENUE AND THE VILLAGE. I SHOULD POINT OUT WITH THE FIRST TWO OPTIONS HERE THAT IF THESE WERE CHOICES, THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE, THESE OPTIONS DO NOT MEET OUR RHNA TARGET AND WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL UNITS TO BE FOUND, SUCH AS BY INCREASING DENSITY AT BOTH THE SHOPS, AS WELL AS [01:10:05] ON THE TWO COASTER STATION SITES. IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, WE ARE PREPARED TO GO FORWARD WITH A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT REPORT TO ANALYZE THE IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT FROM THE 18 SITES OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER HAS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET IS ADEQUATE TO FULLY STUDY ONLY ONE MAP, WHETHER THAT'S A MAP OF ALL 18 PROPERTIES OR A MAP WITH THE LESSER NUMBER. SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL WANT THE ABILITY TO APPROVE ALTERNATIVES TO MAPS, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE ALTERNATIVES WOULD NEED TO BE FULLY STUDIED AT THE SAME LEVEL, SO TO SPEAK, AS THE PREFERRED PROJECT. OUR DEPARTMENT BUDGET IS NOT ADEQUATE TO STUDY MORE THAN ONE OF THE MAPS SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THE FULL STUDY OF ONE OR MORE ALTERNATIVE MAPS. EACH MAPPING ALTERNATIVE WOULD COST ABOUT NINETY SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. THE FUNDING TO PROVIDE MONEY FOR THOSE ALTERNATIVES COULD POTENTIALLY COME FROM THE CITY COUNCIL'S CONTINGENCY BUDGET. THERE IS A STAFF REPORT EXHIBIT TWO THAT PROVIDES A RESOLUTION SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL WISH TO AUTHORIZE THAT FUNDING TO STUDY ALTERNATIVES. AND I'LL CONCLUDE WITH OUR PROPOSED CONTRACT AMENDMENT, AS I MENTIONED, OUR CONSULTANT, [INAUDIBLE] CONSULTANTS, HAS BEEN WITH US SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT. IN 2020, WE ANTICIPATED THAT ALL ACTIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, INCLUDING THE REZONING OF SITES AS WELL AS MAKING MISCELLANEOUS CHANGES TO THE GENERAL PLAN, WOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU WHEN YOU CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR DUE TO A VARIETY OF FACTORS. STATE LAWS, THE REVIEW BY THE STATE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THE PANDEMIC CHALLENGES WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH. WE HAD TO BIFURCATE THE PROJECT SEPARATING JUST THE UPDATE FROM THE HOUSING ELEMENT OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT TO THE REST OF THE PROJECT, WHILE THE ELEMENT HAS BEEN UPDATED. THESE OTHER TASKS REMAIN AND THEREFORE WE ARE RECOMMENDING A CONTRACT AMENDMENT BE APPROVED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A NEW PROJECT SCHEDULE. THERE IS REFINING TO THE TASKS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED AND STILL NEED TO BE COMPLETE. WE WOULD CONTINUE TO CONTRACT WITH RENT CONSULTANTS AND OUR CURRENT DEPARTMENT BUDGET REMAINS ADEQUATE TO FUND THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT. WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN THE PRESENTATION NOW TO PRINCIPAL PLANNER ERIC [INAUDIBLE], WHO WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON NEXT STEPS AS WELL AS CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU, SCOTT. WITH THIS MILESTONE. WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT BEFORE IT IS DUE TO THE STATE AND APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WOULD BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AND INCLUDE STUDIES AND TECHNICAL WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANT. WE WOULD ADDITIONALLY HAVE A SCOPING MEETING IN THE SUMMER OF 2022 TO OUTLINE INDIVIDUAL ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND HAVE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WOULD LOOK TO RELEASE THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AT EITHER THE END OF 2022 OR THE BEGINNING OF 2023, FOLLOWED BY HEARINGS FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN THE SPRING OF 2023. THERE ARE FOUR RECOMMENDED ACTIONS, NONE OF WHICH COMMIT THE CITY TO REZONING ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL SITE. WE'RE REQUESTING DIRECTION ON WHAT AND HOW MANY ALTERNATIVES TO STUDY AND OUR SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, WHICH WILL IMPACT THE FUTURE FLEXIBILITY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO SELECT MAP ALTERNATIVES OR TO ADD OR REMOVE INDIVIDUAL SITES ONCE THAT ANALYSIS HAS BEEN TAKEN. THE FOUR ACTIONS ARE RECEIVING CONSIDER THE PUBLIC INPUT SUMMARY ON THE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES, PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES TO STUDY FOR REZONING AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, ADOPT A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE CONTRACT WITH GREEN CONSULTANTS AND IF ADDITIONAL SITES ARE ALTERNATIVES ARE SELECTED. CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL'S CONTINGENCY BUDGET TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU, AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. MAYOR YOU'RE ON MUTE. WITH THAT COULD WE GO TO SPEAKERS PLEASE? YES. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST THREE DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. YOU WILL BE NEEDED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED. [01:15:02] ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW. WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS A GROUP. JOHN [INAUDIBLE], CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? THIS GROUP SPEAKER IS REPRESENTING JENNIFER [INAUDIBLE], ROBERT [INAUDIBLE], STEVE [INAUDIBLE] AND TODD BERNARD. AND HERE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GIVEN THE MAGNITUDE OF INFORMATION THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO DIGEST, I'M GOING TO TRY AND LIMIT MY REMARKS. MY WIFE, KATHLEEN AND I OF 52 YEARS HAD LIVED IN CARLSBAD FOR THE PAST 23 YEARS BEFORE WE MOVED TO OUR NEW RESIDENCE, WHICH IS A SINGLE STORY MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. BUT OUR DAUGHTER, JENNIFER, AND HER FAMILY REMAINS IN CARLSBAD AND HAVE HAD THEIR OWN HOME FOR THE LAST 21 YEARS, WHERE HER HUSBAND, ROBERT HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE DANCING DADS FOR THE CARLSBAD DANCE STUDIO AND ACTUALLY PROMOTED CARLSBAD AND ALL THAT'S QUALITY OF LIFE ON TELEVISION, ALL FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR SMILES AND ENTERTAINMENT, IF YOU WOULD. AT THE SAME TIME, JEN WAS THE PTO PRESIDENT FOR [INAUDIBLE] ELEMENTARY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, WELL, RANKED THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS NOT ONLY IN THE STATE, BUT PROBABLY A NATIONAL RANKINGS. BUT I'M HERE MORE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SITE THREE. BY THE WAY, I DON'T GET TO SEE MYSELF. SO LET ME SEE IF I'M GOING TO BE SEEN, I GUESS I'M NOT. SO LET ME APOLOGIZE TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THE GATHERINGS TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS LAST YEAR. BETWEEN COVID AND SOME OFFICE CLOSURES, WE HAD OUR DIFFICULTIES IN KEEPING IN TOUCH, AND I RESPECT THAT BEING SO CLOSE TO OUR EXISTING SITE. WE EXPECTED MANY QUESTIONS. NOW, REMEMBER, WE'RE WILLING OWNERS WISHING TO BRING THIS NEW HOUSING OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL. AND PLEASE, WE WOULD LIKE THIS SITE TO BE INCLUDED AND WE HAVE OVER THE YEARS REVIEWED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. I PROVIDED YOU A THREE PAGE MEMO ADDRESSING EACH ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FOUND IN THE WRITTEN MATERIAL THAT YOU HAD PREPARED. AND BETWEEN MY PARTNER AND I, OVER THE PAST THIRTY THREE YEARS OF OWNERSHIP, WE PROBABLY HAVE INVESTED BETWEEN TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DEVELOP WHAT WE FEEL WOULD BE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. THE WAY, I FORESEE THIS IS THIS SITE WAS BEST SUITED FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED WITH BUDD LEWIS WAY BACK WHEN, IN AN EFFORT TO BRING A PROJECT OF SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF APARTMENTS, SMALLER APARTMENTS AND AT A LOWER COST SO WE COULD HELP THEM MEET THEIR AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENT. MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, THERE WAS NO WAY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT WITH THE OBJECTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE FELT IT WAS BEST TO WAIT FOR THE DAY WHEN THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. AT THE MOMENT, WE'RE SUBMITTING OR HAVE SUBMITTED THROUGH PRELIMINARY APPLICATION. THIRTY SIX MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WILL BE TOWNHOUSES SIMILAR TO THE PROJECT IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF US. AND THEN ABOUT A THIRD OF THEM WILL BE BALANCED CHOICES FOR FAMILIES OF LIMITED INCOME. WE ASK THAT YOU REVIEW THAT THREE PAGE MEMO AND THE SITE PLAN AND HAVE CREATED A NEW WEBSITE FOR ALL INTERESTED PARTIES TO SEND ME THEIR QUESTIONS. AND I PROMISE TO ANSWER YOU. THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE SIDE NOTE. AND I HEARD SCOTT DISCUSSED SOME OF THE DOLLARS AND CENTS INVOLVED. I HESITATED TO SAY THIS, BUT I THINK I BETTER PUT IT ON A RECORD. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY WERE EXTENDING THE SEWER LINE FROM TAMARAC NORTH ALONG [INAUDIBLE] TO REACH OUR SITE. THE CHIEF ENGINEER CAME TO US AND SAID THE BUDGET HAD BEEN EXCEEDED AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO EXTEND TO THE FULL DISTANCE THAT THEY HAD PLANNED. [01:20:02] WE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN A POSTPONEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE REESTABLISHMENT OF THAT WORK. IT COSTS MORE THAN STOPPING AND COMING BACK ANOTHER DAY. SO WE AGREED TO SHORTEN THAT COMMITMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND IT WAS ABOUT A 200 TO 250 LINEAR FOOT SAVINGS. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO REMEMBER THAT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO BE GOOD CITIZENS AND WE CONTINUE TO BE GOOD CITIZENS. WAS THAT I'LL CONCLUDE AND HOPE THAT THE REST OF YOUR EVENING GOES AS WELL? AND IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS TO ME, I HAVE FOUR MINUTES REMAINING ON MY TIME. NEXT SPEAKER IS BILL HOFFMAN. CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? BILL HOFFMAN, YEAH, THANK YOU. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. BILL HOFFMAN, HOFFMAN ASSOCIATES FIFTY ONE THIRTY TWO LIONS HEAD AVENUE IN CARLSBAD. AND I'M REPRESENTING AND SPEAKING FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR SITE FOUR THAT, AS SCOTT MENTIONED EARLIER, IS ALSO KNOWN AS THE WAL-MART PROPERTY. THIS SITE WAS IDENTIFIED EARLY IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE PROCESS AND HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION AND HOUSING COMMISSION. IT'S AN IDEAL LOCATION TO PROVIDE NEEDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME OPPOSITION FROM NEARBY RESIDENTS RELATING TO TRAFFIC AND POTENTIAL LOSS OF COMMERCIAL LAND. THE CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE R-30 AND R-15 DESIGNATION WILL ACTUALLY DECREASE THE TRAFFIC THAT COULD BE GENERATED BY THIS SITE UNDER ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION. AND REGARDING COMMERCIAL, AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIALLY DESIGNATED PROPERTY JUST UP THE STREET AND ROBERTSON RANCH. THIS HAS BEEN PART OF THE ROBERTSON RANCH PLAN FOR A LONG TIME AND IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED FOR ANY PROPOSALS ARE PROPOSED DIFFERENT USES. SO TWO COMMERCIAL SITES AT THESE TWO LOCATIONS WOULD BE REALLY TOO MUCH IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY AND REALLY ARE NOT NEEDED. SO AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THIS SITE IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT WILL INCLUDE NEEDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS SITE BE INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND ER PROCESS, AND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE OPTION ONE. OPTION ONE PROVIDES YOU THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY AS SITES INVARIABLY ARE GOING TO FALL OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE KELLY PROPERTY BY REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY KNOWING THAT THE EIR WILL VET MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP. SO WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS WRIGHT. CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? YOU HEAR ME? GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GREETINGS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING STATE LAWS CONCERNING RHNA HOUSING AND HOUSING MANDATES OVER THE PAST DECADE. I'M GRATEFUL THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IS INCLUDING PUBLIC INPUT ON THE SELECTION OF SITES FOR THIS CYCLE. UPON A FIRST GLANCE AT THE PROPOSED HOUSING MAP PROVIDED BY THE CITY, I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE EIGHT PROPOSED HOUSING SITES IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, WHILE THERE WERE TWO PROPOSED SITES FOR BOTH THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST QUADRANTS, RESPECTIVELY. THERE ARE SIX PROPOSED SITES IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. TO SUMMARIZE, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 14 OUT OF THE 18 SITES THAT ARE LOCATED ON OUR WESTERN QUADRANTS IN THE CITY. I ASK WHY I LEARNED THAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES AN EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF SITES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND JUST LEARNED THAT THE CITY, THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT, HAS MANY MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES, RESULTING IN FEWER, FEWER AVAILABLE PROPERTIES TO SELECT. BUT I DID LEARN TONIGHT THAT THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NORTHWEST AND THE SOUTHEAST. SITE. NUMBER THIRTEEN IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT WAS MOVED TO A LOWER PRIORITY BY THE CITY COUNCIL DUE TO COMMUNITY INPUT. IN FAIRNESS TO THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, WHICH HAS THE MOST PROPOSED RHNA HOUSING SITES IN ADDITION TO HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE VILLAGE, I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO [01:25:03] CONSIDER THE REMOVAL OF SITE NUMBER THREE OR TO PUT IT DOWN IN THE LIST LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF CHESTNUT AND [INAUDIBLE]. I LISTEN JUST NOW TO THE OWNER AND I APPRECIATE WHAT HE SAYS, BUT HE'S GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON THAT PROPERTY ANYWAY. I HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT OF ONE AFFORDABLE PROJECT IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, LOCATED ALONG [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT A MILE FURTHER SOUTH FROM SITE THREE. THE EFFECT OF THIS PROJECT [INAUDIBLE] ACRES, RESULTS IN A DIRECT IMPACT TO AN EXEMPTED ROAD SEGMENT ON EL CAMINO REAL, WITH THE ADDITION OF POTENTIALLY OVER SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY CARS. ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATION SITE, NUMBER THREE, IF SELECTED AS A HIGH DENSITY PROJECT, WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT [INAUDIBLE] FURTHER WITH THE ADDITION OF MORE CARS TO THE AREA. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT PLANNERS TO LOOK AT PROPERTIES TO BALANCE OUT THE NEEDED HOUSING IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT AND TO ELIMINATE SITE THREE FROM THE PLAN, AND I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER OPTION TWO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS THE SPEAKER ENDING WITH ONE TWO ONE. CAN YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME OK? YES, GO AHEAD. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR HALL AND CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATES AND SITE SELECTION FOR HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN CARLSBAD. MY NAME IS KRISTINE DAVIS AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE ASSOCIATION. I AM ALSO A 33-YEAR CARLSBAD RESIDENT. WE FEEL THAT SITE TWO THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD IS THE BEST LOCATION IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT AS IT WILL PROVIDE FOR HIGHER DENSITY ALLOWANCES, HAS ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AS FREEWAY CLOSE WITH RIDESHARE OPPORTUNITIES. IT'S CLOSE TO JOBS BY NUMEROUS MAJOR EMPLOYERS AND COULD TURN AN UNDERUTILIZED SHOPPING MALL INTO A NICE COMMUNITY. IT OFFERS ACCESS TO CLOSE BY OPEN SPACE, SUCH AS THE BUENA VISTA LAGOON TRAIL AND PARK, AS WELL AS OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITIES SUCH AS THREE MAJOR GROCERY STORES, SEVERAL POPULAR GYMS AND A LARGE MOVIE THEATER. AND THE VILLAGE IS JUST FIVE MINUTES AWAY. WE HOPE THE COUNCIL WILL STRONGLY CONSIDER SITE TWO AS A VIABLE OPTION. WE DO NOT SUPPORT SITE 14 THE COASTER STATION PARKING LOT IN CARLSBAD VILLAGE. AS YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE A GREAT AMOUNT OF OPPOSITION DUE TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION CONCERNS AND DUE TO LACK OF EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE VILLAGE, THIS LOCATION IS OFTEN USED THROUGHOUT THE DAY BY EMPLOYEES AND THE PUBLIC. THIS PARKING LOT CAN GET EXTREMELY FULL ON THE WEEKENDS AND IN THE SUMMER. IT IS PACKED WHEN THE ADDITION OF A SECOND RAILROAD TRACK COMES TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE. THE DEMAND FOR PARKING AT FOURTEEN WILL INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY. JOB AVAILABILITY IN CARLSBAD VILLAGE DOES NOT COMPARE TO THAT SITE TWO. CARLSBAD VILLAGE IS THE HOME TO SMALL BUSINESSES, FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES, AND SOLOPRENEURS ENTERPRISES. THERE ARE NO MAJOR EMPLOYERS OR NATIONALLY KNOWN EMPLOYERS IN CARLSBAD VILLAGE. IT IS MAIN STREET AMERICA. CARLSBAD VILLAGE ALSO DOES NOT OFFER A TRUE GROCERY STORE, A SINGLE GYM OR A MOVIE THEATER, ALL WHICH ADD TO QUALITY OF LIFE AND CONVENIENCE. WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE SITE. 15. THE OAK STREET YARD IN CARLSBAD VILLAGE. THIS CITY OWNED PARCEL THAT CURRENTLY HOUSES THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION CENTER COULD BE VACANT AS EARLY AS 2025. THE SITE, HOWEVER, WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR 18 TO 24 UNITS, WHICH WOULD NOT HELP THE CITY IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY REACH ITS RHNA NUMBERS. SITE 15 IS ALSO UP AGAINST THE RAILROAD TRACK ON ONE SIDE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND AUTOMOTIVE ON THE OTHER WITHOUT NEARBY OPEN SPACE, AND THEREFORE DOES NOT OFFER AN ATTRACTIVE QUALITY OF LIFE PROPOSITION. SITE FIFTEEN HAS LONG BEEN DISCUSSED AND DESIRED AS THE MOST IDEAL LOCATION FOR A PARKING LOT OR POSSIBLY EVEN A PARKING STRUCTURE. WE REQUEST THAT INSTEAD IT SERIOUSLY BE CONSIDERED AS THE PRIME LOCATION FOR AN INNOVATIVE PARKING, RIDESHARE AND TRANSPORTATION HUB FOR THE ENTIRE VILLAGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE [INAUDIBLE]. CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? YES, THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST HAVE A FEW POINTS ON THIS. I DON'T RECALL EVER RECEIVING ANYTHING ANY NOTICES AT ALL, SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, ACTUALLY I'M AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. [01:30:03] AND THEN I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE VALIDITY, GIVEN THE PRESENT LANDSCAPE OF CALIFORNIA AND WHAT'S GOING ON, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOSING A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO I REALLY QUESTION THE PREMISE OF CALIFORNIA BASICALLY FORCING DOWN THE THROAT OF CITIES, PARTICULARLY CHARTER CITIES. THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEIR OWN ABILITY TO RULE. ACCORDING TO CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION ARTICLE ELEVEN, SECTION FIVE UNDER THE HOME RULE DOCTRINE, CHARTER CITIES ARE SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED BY OUR STATE CONSTITUTION TO GOVERN THEMSELVES FREE OF STATE LEGISLATIVE INTRUSION AS TO THE MATTERS DEEMED MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS. SO CAN WE GO BACK TO THE STATE AND ASK THEM IF THEIR PREDICTIONS ARE VALID AT THIS POINT? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH CITY PLANNING, BUT I AM WITH MODELS AND I KNOW MODELS ARE ONLY VALID FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME BECAUSE THE INPUTS CHANGE. SO THE QUESTION IS WITH ALL THE PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF THE STATE. DO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS MOVING FORWARD? SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANKS. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS [INAUDIBLE]. CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE DECISION MAKERS TODAY THAT THE MAP INDICATING THE LOCATIONS OF THE EIGHTEEN POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES ON PAGE FOUR OF THE 162 AGENDA PACKET DOES NOT INCLUDE FOUR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECTS ALONG THE EL CAMINO REAL CORRIDOR SHARED BY BOTH NORTHERN QUADRANTS, WHICH WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ADD TO THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SAFETY, QUALITY OF LIFE, ENVIRONMENTAL AIR QUALITY ISSUES, AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO EFFICIENTLY EVACUATE IN CASE OF WILDFIRE OR OTHER EMERGENCY. THIS CORRIDOR IS ALREADY IMPACTED BY TRAFFIC DURING THE MORNING AND EVENING RUSH HOURS, AS EL CAMINO AND COLLEGE BOULEVARD ARE CURRENTLY USED AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO INTERSTATE FIVE, WHICH WILL CONTINUE FOR SEVERAL YEARS DUE TO FREEWAY CONSTRUCTION. THE FOUR PROJECTS ARE ALL LOCATED ON THE EL CAMINO REAL CORRIDOR BETWEEN TAMARAC AND CANNON ROAD. THEY ARE NUMBER ONE THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE FORMER [INAUDIBLE] ACRES ON THE WEST SIDE OF EL CAMINO. NUMBER TWO THE CASA MONTESSORI, EL CAMINO PRESCHOOL AT THE CORNER OF KELLY DRIVE AND EL CAMINO, ALMOST DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE [INAUDIBLE] ACRES PROJECT. NUMBER THREE, THE SHOPS AT ROBERTSON RANCH SHOPPING CENTER PLANNED FOR THE EAST SIDE OF EL CAMINO REAL AND NUMBER FOR THE LARGE VACANT LOT NORTH OF CANNON ROAD, NEAR THE CORNER OF EL CAMINO, NEXT TO FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE. I AM UNAWARE OF WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THIS PARCEL AS THE YELLOW PROJECT SIGN IS NO LONGER POSTED. ON THE MAP IN THE AGENDA PACKET, THESE ARE ALL LOCATED BETWEEN SITE THREE AND SITE FOUR ON EL CAMINO [INAUDIBLE]. PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE INCREASED DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON OUR QUALITY OF LIFE BY THESE FOUR ALREADY APPROVED PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT INDICATED ON THIS MAP WHILE MAKING DECISIONS REGARDING FUTURE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS WHILE KEEPING IN MIND SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS, VOTERS, AND TAXPAYERS OF CARLSBAD. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER ENDS WITH THREE, NINE, SIX. CAN YOU PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE? THE CITY COUNCIL, I OPPOSE BUILDING ON SITE EIGHTEEN, THAT'S IN THE PONTO AREA. IT HAS ABOUT 2000 PLUS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND IT REALLY CAN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL HOUSING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PARK THAT CAN SUSTAIN ALL THESE PEOPLE. ALSO, THIS PROPOSED AREA IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK. ANY ANY CHILD THAT WOULD BE PLAYING AROUND THERE WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE HIT OR THERE'S CAUSE FOR PROBLEMS. IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. I REALLY WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY BUSY IN THAT AREA. IT WOULD BE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE BEACH, THE CARLSBAD STATE BEACH AND THAT IS BASICALLY OUR ONLY OPEN PLACE IN SOUTHWEST CARLSBAD. [01:35:06] YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL PROSPERITY THERE, AND WE'RE JUST ASKING, PLEASE CONSIDER SITE EIGHTEEN AS A NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS. OKAY, BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. MY APOLOGIES, MAYOR, ONE INDIVIDUAL JUST RAISED THEIR HAND. LARRY, CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE? THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I DON'T WANT TO REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT OUR CONCERN IS WITH THE SITE 14. AND AS SOME OF THE SPEAKERS HAVE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION THE NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE EITHER NORTHWEST OR JUST WESTERN QUADRANTS MAKE THIS IMPROPER AND INFEASIBLE LOCATION SPECIFICALLY IN THE VILLAGE. THERE ARE ALREADY TREMENDOUS NUMBERS OF ADUS AND DENSE HOUSING UNITS BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE DWELLINGS THAT ARE ALREADY LOCATED THERE. I VENTURE TO SAY THAT IF YOU TOOK THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE IN THE VILLAGE AND LOOKED AT THE THE AREA OF THE VILLAGE, IT WOULD BE VERY DISPROPORTIONATE COMPARED TO MANY OF THE OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT CARLSBAD WHETHER IN THE EASTERN OR EVEN JUST EVEN OTHER WESTERN AREAS. THE LAST WEEK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2000 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AT LEAST THAT'S AN AREA OF TWO THOUSAND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE VILLAGE HAS TREMENDOUS NUMBERS OF UNITS WHERE THERE'S 20, 30, 40, 50 AND LARGER APARTMENT COMPLEXES LOCATED ON RELATIVELY SMALL PARCELS. THIS PROPERTY BEING THE COMMUTER PARKING AREA, IS JUST SUCH A TERRIBLE LOCATION. AND AS I HAD SUGGESTED IN THE WRITTEN EMAIL THAT WE SENT TO THE COUNCIL EARLIER TODAY, THIS IS AN IDEAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VILLAGE, FOR THE CITY TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AND TRY AND PURCHASE OR AT LEAST LEASE THIS PROPERTY FROM THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY. AND THAT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED PARKING FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME. SO JUST JUST FEEL THAT ALSO WITH THE SURVEYS IN SCOTT'S EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, HE DID GIVE YOU GRAPHS AND SO FORTH ABOUT PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN SUPPORT OR PEOPLE HAD EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO. BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT MANY PEOPLE LIKE THAT THE [INAUDIBLE] SPEAKER SAID HE NEVER GOT NOTICES, WHETHER PEOPLE GET THEM OR NOT. MANY PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO RESPOND TO THEM AND THEY FEEL TIMID OR WHATEVER, AND THEY IGNORE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO A SURVEY. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN. YOU ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DO THE RIGHT THING, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S TREMENDOUS OPPOSITION OR NOT. AND I THINK THAT YOU'LL HOPEFULLY SEE THAT THIS SITE 14 IS JUST A TERRIBLE LOCATION AND WILL NOT EXACERBATE THE SITUATION THAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE IN THE VILLAGE WITH THE ALREADY TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INADEQUATE PARKING. THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS MAYOR. OKAY, WHO WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH QUESTIONS? HANG ON A SECOND. THERE WE GO. MR. NORBY. YEAH, I'M GOING TO TRY AND LIMIT THIS FIRST PART JUST TO QUESTIONS, AND THEN I'LL HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL COMMENTS LATER ON. BUT MR. DONNELL, THANKS FOR GREAT PRESENTATION AND JUST ALL STAFF. GOSH, I KNOW IT'S BEEN PART OF MY WORK HISTORY, HOW DIFFICULT HOUSING ELEMENTS ARE AND SOMETIMES IT ELUDES COMMUNITIES. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, A COURT SYSTEM BECOMES YOUR DEFAULT PLANNER IN TERMS OF DECIDING WHERE HOUSING SHOULD GO OR WOULDN'T GO. AND I DON'T THINK CARLSBAD EVER WANTS TO PUT ITSELF IN THAT POSITION, SO I THANK STAFF FOR THE GREAT WORK THEY'RE DOING. YOU KNOW, I'M NEW ON THIS COUNCIL. IT CAME TO US I THINK IT WAS AUGUST 11TH, A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE I JOINED THE COUNCIL LAST TIME. SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO OFFER SOME OF MY REMARKS. I DID REVIEW THOSE, THOSE MEETINGS AND THOSE MINUTES, SO I CAN COMMENT ON THIS. [01:40:06] AND I AND I'M AND I'M ALSO COGNIZANT AND AWARE THAT THIS WILL BE FURTHER DECIDED AFTER MY TERM IS UP AND WE HAVE A NEW DISTRICT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. BUT FIRST, I THINK I JUST IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS. THE DENSITY ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE 26.5 UNITS PER ACRE FOR LOWER AND 11.5 UNITS PER ACRE FOR MODERATE, THOSE ARE JUST PROXIES THAT THE STATE USES FOR AFFORDABILITY. THEY'RE KIND OF MEAT CLEAVER-ISH, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY SOMETHING IN FRESNO OR MODESTO IS DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING ALONG THE COAST, BUT IT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAYS TO A COMMUNITY THAT IF YOU'RE LOWER OR MODERATE, IF THE UNITS, IF THE DEVELOPMENT SIZE IS TWENTY SIX UNITS PER ACRE OR 11.5, THAT THEY WILL BE LOW INCOME RESIDENTS OR MODERATE RESIDENTS, IT'S JUST A PROXY. IT'S JUST A SIMPLE, I GUESS CALCULATION THAT ONE HOME ON ONE ACRE IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN TWENTY SIX HOMES ON ONE ACRE. SO IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A YOU WILL HAVE BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR IN OUR RHNA NUMBER THAT YOU WILL HAVE EITHER LOW OR MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE BUYING THAT. NOW I JUST I KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PROGRAM AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS FOR MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS. BUT THAT STATEMENT, I MEAN, THAT'S CORRECT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS JUST THIS IS JUST A REALLY ONE SIZE FITS ALL PROXY FOR AFFORDABILITY AND DOES NOT SAY THAT THESE UNITS WILL BE AFFORDABLE. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, THAT IS CORRECT THIS OUR REQUIREMENT IS TO ZONE FOR AVAILABILITY OF UNITS SOME WOULD COME IN AT MARKET RATE, SOME WOULD POTENTIALLY BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THAT THAT LEADS ME TO MY SECOND QUESTION, AND I THINK THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC IS THAT WHEN THESE ARE RE ZONED, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE TRACTORS ROLL RIGHT, YOU KNOW, OR THE PLANNING STARTS. IT COULD BE SEVERAL YEARS. IT COULD BE 20 YEARS. IT COULD. IT COULD, IN FACT START RELATIVELY SOON. BUT IT'S OUR OBLIGATION IS TO IDENTIFY THE SITES WHERE THEY CAN HAPPEN. BUT THE COMMUNITY SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY FEEL THAT 100 PERCENT OF THESE UNITS ON 100 PERCENT OF THE SITES ARE GOING TO START. YOU KNOW, IF A FUTURE COUNCIL SAYS IN 2023, THESE ARE THE SITES THAT OK, BOY, THAT I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, I'LL SEE THAT NEXT YEAR. THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. YOUR STATEMENT IS CORRECT THEY WOULD NEED SEPARATE ACTION BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS. OK, GREAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS INCREMENTALLY OVER TIME. IT'S ALLOWED TO HAPPEN, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU KNOW IT, THE TIMING DOES NOT SAY IT'S NOT A GO BUTTON FOR THE DEVELOPER TO GET IT DONE THIS YEAR, SO TO SPEAK. IT CAN BE WHENEVER. I WANT TO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE HOUSING CAPS UNENFORCEABLE AS IT RELATES TO OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND I KNOW OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN IS SOME 40 YEARS ON AND WE ARE LOOKING TO UPDATE THAT WITH A SUCCESSOR DOCUMENT. BUT I WANT TO ASK, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS DONE AT THE TIME WHEN CARLSBAD WAS MAYBE TWENTY FIVE OR THIRTY THOUSAND PEOPLE KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO GROW. AND THE DOCUMENT SPECIFIED HOW TO GROW AND BASICALLY ADOPTED A QUADRANT SYSTEM. AND THEN I THINK 16 DISTRICTS WITHIN THAT QUADRANT. BUT WAS THE GENERAL IDEA BACK THEN ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME EQUALITY AMONG THE FOUR QUADRANTS AND THERE ARE SOME, WHETHER IT'S A PARK CALCULATION OR A LIBRARY CALCULATION OR ROAD CALCULATION IN TERMS OF SERVICE OR POLICE PRESENCE OR FIRE STATIONS THAT ALL FOUR QUADRANTS OF CARLSBAD KIND OF WOULD HANDLE THE NEW GROWTH THAT WAS THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED UNDER THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND I THINK WE WENT FROM TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND RESIDENTS DOWN TO ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND RESIDENTS, BUT THAT ALL FOUR QUADRANTS WOULD PARTICIPATE EQUALLY AND GROWTH WOULD HAPPEN IN ALL FOUR QUADRANTS. AND IT WAS A DOCUMENT DESIGNED TO HAVE SOME EQUITY AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY CARRYING MORE LOAD. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT IN TERMS OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN? YES, THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. OK. AND THEN SO NONE OF THIS WAS FORESEEN IN TERMS OF THE STATE COMING IN 40 YEARS AGO. IT JUST DIDN'T ADDRESS THE RHNA NUMBERS. IT DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY KIND OF STATE LAND USE THAT WOULD BE THRUST UPON US, MOST RECENTLY [01:45:01] SB NINE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE NO LONGER HAVE A HOUSING CAP. IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS IN THIS CASE, YOU NEED ANOTHER 3000 HOUSING UNITS OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS A LITTLE OVER THREE THOUSAND. AND NOBODY ON COUNCIL OR OUR CITIZENS OR OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS PUSHING THIS FOR CARLSBAD TO DO THIS. THIS IS A THIS IS A STATE REQUIREMENT, A DIRECT STATE REQUIREMENT AND STATE LAW THAT WE MUST IDENTIFY THESE UNITS. OK. AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OF SITES SINCE I LOOKED AT ALL THE SITES THAT WERE PRODUCED OR INCLUDED IN OUR REVIEW, A COUPLE OF THINGS KIND OF JUMPED OUT TO ME. AND SO NUMBER ONE IS THE IS THE STATE OWNED KIND OF PARK AND RIDE LOT AT LA COSTA. AND DO WE DO WE KNOW HOW MANY ACRES THAT IS AND WHY WASN'T THAT INCLUDED IN THIS KIND OF OPTIONS LIST FOR HOUSING? I DON'T KNOW OFF MY HEAD THE ACREAGE FOR THAT PARCEL. I WOULD SUSPECT THAT BECAUSE OF ITS REMOTENESS IN TERMS OF BEING CLOSE TO SERVICE, AMENITIES, FACILITIES, WHATEVER AND STATE OWNERSHIP IT WAS AND ITS CURRENT USE AS A PARKING RIGHT, IT WAS NOT LOOKED AT AS A POTENTIAL HOUSING SITE. OK. SO YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE TWO, I GUESS THE TWO FROM THE SANDAG REPORT THAT WAS IN OUR STAFF REPORT, TWO OF THE PRINCIPAL CONSIDERATIONS WAS WEIGHTED SIXTY FIVE PERCENT TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR AND THEN I THINK THIRTY FIVE PERCENT WAITING FOR JOBS AND JOBS. AND YOU KNOW, CARLSBAD IS BLESSED TO HAVE MANY JOBS, RIGHT? SO THAT HELPS OUR WEIGHTING IN TERMS OF GETTING THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE GOT. AND THEN I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY CITY OUTSIDE OF SAN DIEGO THAT HAS TWO COASTER STOPS AS WELL. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER ON THAT. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS LOOKING AT AGAIN, THE DENSITY DESIGNATOR IS 26.5 AND 11.5. AND KIND OF REVIEWING THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE US IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX MONTHS WHEN I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL, I REMEMBER THE PONTO. I THINK IT WAS A CLEAN UP ITEM FOR COASTAL COMMISSION LANGUAGE. BUT IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS SEVEN ACRES AND MY MEMORY IS THAT IT WAS BETWEEN 20 AND 30 UNITS PER ACRE WAS THE ZONING. HOW COME THAT SITE WASN'T INCLUDED ON HERE? I MEAN, IF IT'S IF THOSE ARE KIND OF FREE NUMBERS, IF THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN 11.5 UNITS PER ACRE OR THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN 26.5 AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY UNITS. HOW COME THAT SITE WASN'T OR IS THAT SITE AVAILABLE TO BE ON HERE? COUNCIL MEMBER THERE'S THERE'S TWO REASONS THAT SITES NOT BEING INCLUDED TODAY, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THAT SITE HAS AN EXISTING GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING DESIGNATION FOR DENSITIES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH MODERATE INCOME HOUSING. AND SO WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT DESIGNATIONS, INCREASING DESIGNATIONS AND DENSITIES FOR ADDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING TO THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE. HOWEVER, THE ADDITIONAL REASON IT'S NOT THERE IS THE CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR DID DIRECT REMOVAL OF THAT SITE FROM THE HOUSING ELEMENT INVENTORY, WHICH DID REMOVE THOSE SITES FROM THAT AND WERE REQUIRED TO MAKE UP THOSE SITES THAT WERE REMOVED. OK, SO FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION, IT HAS AN EXISTING DENSITY AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN PREVIOUS CALCULATIONS OR RHNA NUMBERS, AND THERE WAS NO INTENSIFICATION OF THAT DENSITY, THEREFORE NO REASON TO INCLUDE IT. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT'S IT FOR MY QUESTIONS. OK. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. GREAT, YES, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION AND ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS AND ESPECIALLY INTO THE OUTREACH. THERE'S A LOT IN THIS DOCUMENT AND IN THIS AGENDA PACKET, SO FORGIVE ME IF I ASK SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE SOME POINTS. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE TRAIN STATIONS, THE COASTER STATIONS AT LAST TIME WHEN WE WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP AND I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT PARKING BECAUSE THAT KEEPS COMING UP IS IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD AROUND THOSE TRAIN STATIONS AND DO TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE TWO SITES, WOULD WE BE ELIMINATING PARKING, REDUCING PARKING? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PARKING THERE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THAT FOR ME? YES COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. THE PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS TO BE EVALUATED FROM TWO PERSPECTIVES. FIRST, THE EXISTING TRANSIT STATION CENTER AND MAKING SURE THERE WAS ENOUGH PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THAT STATION, AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL [01:50:05] USES, WHETHER THEY BE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL USES FOR THAT SITE. SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING CLOSELY AT MAKING SURE THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT, LIKELY SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE PARKING FOR BOTH OF THOSE USES. GREAT, THANK YOU. AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK IT'S RELATED ALSO TO THAT BECAUSE AND CTD IS THE OWNER OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING. IN FACT, THEY CAME TO US AND THEY ASKED IF WE COULD DEVELOP. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD REMIND US WHICH OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE OWNERS THAT ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING. I KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT KELLY. THEY THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THIS ZONING CHANGE DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY OTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS EXPRESSED TO US THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THIS? NO THERE'S NO OTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S EXPRESSED THEY DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS. OK, AND THEN THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT QUESTION, WHICH ONES I MENTIONED THE NCTD STATIONS, BUT WHICH ONES REALLY WANT TO UP ZONE? MR. DONNELL, COULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? I WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU THE MAJORITY OF SITES OF THE 18 SITES, MOST PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THAT. THERE'S ONLY ONE, AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S INDICATED OPPOSITION. THERE ARE FIVE THAT HAVE NOT EXPRESSED WHETHER THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OR NOT. SO THAT WOULD BE THEN, I BELIEVE, 12 OR 13 SITES THAT WOULD SUPPORT, FIVE OR UNKNOWNS AND ONE IS IN OPPOSITION. OKAY. SO FOR THOSE UNKNOWNS FURTHER DOWN THE LINE, WE COULD BE TRYING TO PURSUE THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, BUT THEN THEY COULD GET BACK TO US AND FINALLY TELL US, NO, I NEVER WANTED TO. I NEVER SAW YOUR LETTERS, I NEVER RECEIVED THE CONTACT OR WHATEVER. AND THEY COULD TELL US, PLEASE REMOVE US, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. OK. ALL RIGHT, SO DEFINITELY KELLY HAS SAID THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, AND I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR THAT A LOT OF A LOT OF THE OWNERS ARE INTERESTED, AND I DO SEE THAT THERE'S PROFIT TO BE MADE SO THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BALANCE THAT GROWTH WITH WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT OUR COMMUNITY CONCERNS ARE. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THAT. THERE WAS A MENTION SITE 13 IS NOT ON THIS MAP. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT SITUATION WAS FOR US? REMIND US. AND SITE 13 WAS A PROPERTY ORIGINALLY INCLUDED AS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL HOUSING SITES AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON ITS AT ITS ON APRIL 6TH, ACTION TO ADOPT THE HOUSING ELEMENT DIRECTED STAFF TO MAKE THAT A LOWER PRIORITY PROPERTY AND TO FIND ALTERNATIVES. AND SO WHAT WE DID AND WHAT WE BROUGHT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT YOUR MEETING OF AUGUST 17TH LAST YEAR WERE FOUR ALTERNATIVE SITES TO THAT AND THOSE ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, EIGHT ALTERNATIVE SITES. THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO INCLUDE FOUR OF THOSE AS ALTERNATIVES TO SITE 13, AND THOSE ARE INCLUDED ON TODAY'S MAP. GREAT. OK, GREAT. THANK YOU. I MAY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP AS WE GO THROUGH THE CONVERSATION, I DID FIND THE OPTIONS A LITTLE CONFUSING, SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME BACK AND FORTH QUESTIONS JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AS WE GO FORWARD. BUT I'LL PASS IT ALONG TO ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU NOW. DR. BHAT-PATEL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO, MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED, THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. BLACKBURN, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU. GOING BACK TO MR. NORBY AND THE PONTO SITE, IN THE FACT THAT WE VOTED THAT OUT ON A THREE TWO VOTE THAT DOES REQUIRE US, DOES IT NOT TO REPLACE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WERE ASSIGNED TO THAT SITE TO ANOTHER AREA OF THE CITY? MAYOR HALL, WHEN THE COUNCIL TOOK THAT ACTION, IT INCREASED THE DEFICIT OF UNITS WE HAD, AND SO IT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE HAD TO MAKE UP TO REZONE BY ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY MODERATE UNITS. OK. I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OBSERVATIONS, AND THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY MY VIEWS, BUT JUST OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK ARE GOING TO WEIGH ON OUR DECISIONS TONIGHT. AND IT GOES BACK TO WHEN WE ACTUALLY STARTED WITH THE RHNA NUMBERS AT SANDAG AND THE ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND FOR THE REGION. SUPERVISOR DESMOND LED THE CHARGE TO BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN TO ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTEEN THOUSAND. THAT'S QUITE A DIFFERENCE. [01:55:03] THAT PASSED THE REGION ON A TALLY VOTE. THE FOLLOWING MEETING WAS BROUGHT BACK BY THEN MAYOR FALCONER TO BE RECONSIDERED AT A AT A LATER MEETING ON A WEIGHTED VOTE. SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY JUST AS WAS STATED BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER LAND USE. OBVIOUSLY, OTHERS IN THIS AREA ARE LOOKING FOR GREATER DENSITY. AND THEN THAT DENSITY GETS DISTRIBUTED OUT TO ALL OF OUR CITIES. BUT THAT WAS A HUGE DECISION THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH TODAY. SECOND, IT'S NOTEWORTHY, I THINK, FROM THE COUNTY'S ASPECT OF THINGS, AND THEY WERE THEY HAD A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY WERE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. IT'S IN THEIR RECENT AGENDA ITEM WITH THE COUNTY. THEY'RE WANTING TO TAKE THEIR DENSITY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT IN THE URBAN AREAS AND MOVE THAT DENSITY WEST OF I-15. AND I SAY THAT JUST TO TRY AND MAKE US AWARE OF IN CARLSBAD THERE ARE FORCES OUTSIDE OUR CITY THAT ARE DRIVING AND WILL CONTINUE TO TRY AND DRIVE DENSITY MORE INTO THE CITY. ALSO, THE SANDAG IN THEIR FIVE BIG MOVES, AND WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AWARE OF THAT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD THESE MULTIMODAL HUBS, WHERE THE DENSITY NEEDS TO BE INCREASED IN THOSE AREAS. AND IT WAS INTERESTING THAT SANDAG TRIED TO ALLOCATE 3000 UNITS IN THEIR LATEST UPDATE IN AND AROUND THE AIRPORT ON LAND THAT WAS EITHER INDUSTRIAL, DEDICATED OPEN SPACE OR CURRENTLY BUILT THE WESTIN AND THE SHERATON THREE THOUSAND UNITS. AND IT WAS FRUSTRATING THAT WE COULDN'T THEY WOULD NOT HAVE CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ON WHERE BEST FOR US AND THEM TOGETHER, WHERE DO WE PLACE AFFORDABLE UNITS? AGAIN, THIS IS A BROADER CONVERSATION, BUT THESE FORCES ARE COMING UPON US AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REACT TO THOSE. I THINK IT IS ALSO VERY NOTEWORTHY THAT SANDAG IS APPROVED MOVING FORWARD WITH ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY PLUS BILLION DOLLAR FUTURE PACKAGE, WITH TRANSIT BEING THE MAIN TOPIC, TRANSIT AND HOW WE MOVE. YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER, IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN, IT'S ALMOST $50000 PER PERSON. IT WAS A FOUR CENTS A MILE TAX, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE VOTED FOR. AND IN SAYING THAT IF THIS IS TO WORK AND WE IN THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE MANDATED TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE LOOK AT OUR TWO RAIL STATIONS IN THE FUTURE. AGAIN, I HAVE NOT SUPPORTED THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT OUTSIDE AGENCIES AND GOVERNMENTS ARE LOOKING TOWARDS. SO NOT NECESSARILY THIS RHNA ALLOCATION, BUT IN FUTURE RHNA ALLOCATIONS IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY EASIER, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT. WHY WOULD WE INVEST $160 BILLION AND OVER 10 BILLION OF THAT WILL PROBABLY GO ON TO THE COASTER CORRIDOR. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO INVEST THAT MONEY IF WE, AS CITIES DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN DENSITY TO MAKE THAT WORK? AND AS A SIDE NOTE, THE RIDERSHIP ON THE COASTER TODAY IS ACTUALLY LESS OR NOT LESS, BUT ABOUT THE SAME AS IT WAS IN 95 96, AND THAT CURVE HAS BEEN CURVING DOWNWARD SINCE 2016 2017. SO I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BROADER CONVERSATION THAN WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH TONIGHT, BUT I KNOW THE COMMUNITY IS LISTENING, AND I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT DENSITY IS IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS IN THE FUTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY FROM THE HOUSING SIDE OF IT, BUT ALSO FROM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAXED OR FEED IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO BACK TO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM. MAYOR I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. YES, MR. NORBY. THANK YOU. AND IT'S REALLY BASED UPON THE RESPONSE THAT I HEARD. AND I JUST I JUST WANT TO GET CLEAR IN MY MIND THIS SITE THAT WAS REMOVED, THIS PONTO SITE THAT WAS REMOVED. AND WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT KIND OF REMOVED 100 HUNDRED MODERATE UNITS FROM THE LIST, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT PUSH THAT SOMEWHERE WE HAD TO GET THOSE 100 UNITS SOMEWHERE ELSE. IS IS THAT ACCURATE? [02:00:05] COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, WHAT THAT ACTION DID. WELL, WE LOOKED AT OUR ORIGINAL RHNA, WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED UNITS, AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS THE EXISTING ZONING IN THE CITY AND WE ACCOUNTED FOR THOSE UNITS. THERE WAS A DEFICIT AND THAT'S WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THIS HOUSING PROGRAM. WHEN THAT SITE WAS REMOVED FROM THE EXISTING HOUSING ELEMENT INVENTORY, IT INCREASED THAT DEFICIT. AND SO THAT'S THE PART THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, AND IT WAS APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY UNITS. OKAY, GOTCHA. AND WHAT IS THE EXACT DENSITY OF THAT PROJECT? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD 30, I'VE HEARD 20, I'VE HEARD TWENTY THREE UNITS PER ACRE. AND MY THINKING HERE, IF IT'S 23 UNITS PER ACRE AND IT'S MODERATE, IT'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A PUSH TO PUSH THAT TO 26.5 AND HAVE IT COUNT FOR OUR LOWER. BUT I DON'T I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY OF THAT SITE. ARE YOU COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY REFERRING TO THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED ON THAT PLANNING AREA SITE F? YES OR THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF DENSITY ON THAT PLANNING AREA F. YEAH, I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. ALSO, I DO WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL I'M NOT SURE THAT PARCEL'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT AS IT WAS EXCLUDED FROM THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU. OK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'LL TAKE THAT ADVICE. ARE YOU DONE, MR. NORBY? FOR THE MOMENT. YES, I AM. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. THANK YOU. I RAISED MY HAND EARLIER, I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT LAST WORD FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY. THE COUNCIL ALREADY DECIDED ON THESE SITES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, SO I JUST WANT TO LIKE REALLY WE WENT THROUGH THESE SITES AND WE PICKED THESE. SO HERE WE'RE EVEN PARING DOWN WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP ON THESE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND WHICH ONES OF THESE WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? SO I DID WANT TO SHARE SOME OBSERVATIONS AND IN THE VEIN OF WHAT MAYOR HALL WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF BIG PICTURE, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH RHNA NUMBERS AND HOW THIS VOTE TIES INTO THAT. AND IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT SB NINE AND KIND OF THE PUSH AGAINST THE STATES AND EVEN THE HOUSING CAPS THAT WE HAD TO. AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THIS EITHER COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY CUZ IT HAPPENED BEFORE YOU JOINED US, BUT WE HAD TO SEND A LETTER TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AT THE STATE SAYING THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT OUR HOUSING CAPS ARE INVALID AND LIKE WE HAD TO EAT HUMBLE PIE AND JUST SAY WE UNDERSTAND WE WILL DO AS YOU SAY, AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AND AND SUBMIT OUR HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATES AS THEY REQUIRE US TO DO. IN TERMS OF OTHER FIGHTS LEGISLATIVELY, EVEN AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE YOU KNOW, WE FOUGHT LAST YEAR AGAINST SB NINE WITH THE BLESSING OF THIS COUNCIL AND WE LOST AND THERE MAY BE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO RESURRECT THAT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT THEM AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE AND BRING ANYTHING FOR THE FULL COUNCIL'S BLESSING TO YOU. BUT WE CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR LOCAL CONTROL. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN AND WE HAVE TO PICK THESE SITES AND WE HAVE TO MEET OUR RHNA NUMBERS. AND ALSO THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS INCLUDE THE CUSHION TOO THAT ADDITIONAL CUSHION AMOUNT TO SUBMIT TO THE STATE. SO OF THESE LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE AGENDA PACKET. AND I GUESS THAT STARTS WITH THE EXHIBIT 12, WHICH IS ON PAGE ONE EIGHTY NINE OF THE PACKET. I'M SHARING THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT LIKE, WHERE ARE THESE? SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL PROPOSED OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM STAFF AND WE CAN MIX AND MATCH THESE. SO STARTING ON ONE EIGHTY NINE JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT EACH OF OUR OPTIONS ARE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHICH SITES EXPERIENCE THE MOST COMMUNITY OPPOSITION. BUT I DID WANT TO ASK STAFF FOR THIS OPTION TWO, WHICH APPROVES ALL SITES EXCEPT FOR THE SITES WITH THE MOST COMMUNITY OPPOSITION AT THE VERY BOTTOM THERE'S AN ASTERISK AND KIND OF A FOOTNOTE, AND IT SAYS BASED ON MAILED AND EMAILED COMMENTS RECEIVED EXCLUDES SITES THREE FOR ALL PARCELS AND EIGHT. AND I WAS WONDERING, IT SAYS, FOR ALL PARCELS. BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD OF THE SITE FOUR, WHICH INCLUDES THE THREE PARCELS, IT WAS ONLY THAT KELLY ONE THAT THE OWNER DIDN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE, BUT THE OTHERS RECEIVED [02:05:04] MODERATE FEEDBACK, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD SPLIT THAT UP AND OR WE HAVE TO EXCLUDE ALL OF SITE FOUR. OR MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? COUNCIL MEMBER, WHAT THAT IS, IS THE KELLY PORTION OF SITE FOUR IT WAS ALREADY EXCLUDED FROM SITE 18. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INCLUDING ALL OF THE SITE 18 IN OPTION ONE THAT DOES INCLUDE THE KELLY PORTION EXCLUDE THE KELLY PORTION, BUT IT LEAVES THE REMAINDER OF SITE FOUR. OPTION TWO EXCLUDES THE ENTIRETY OF SITE FOUR THE COUNCIL COULD DIRECT OPTION TWO AND ADD THE OTHER PARCEL BACK, BUT WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ADDING THE ENTIRETY OF SITE FOUR BACK BECAUSE OF THAT PROPERTY OWNER DETERMINATION. OK, SO OPTION TWO IS TO ELIMINATE THE SITES WITH THE MOST COMMUNITY OPPOSITION, THAT'S THREE, FOUR AND EIGHT, RIGHT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OK. AND THEN THE OTHER THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING. SO AFTER THAT, THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE COULD ADD MIX AND MATCH. AND THE VERY FIRST ONE THREE A, IS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY OF THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT HAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE REPORT. SO WITH THAT WOULD INCREASE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO R50. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. OK. AND WITH THAT, WE COULD REMOVE THOSE OTHER UNITS THAT PEOPLE WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY CONCERN ABOUT, BUT WE COULD INCREASE THE DENSITY HERE AND WE WOULD DO REALLY WELL IN MEETING OUR NUMBERS, RIGHT? YES, INCREASING THE DENSITY OF THE SHOP SITE OR SITE NUMBER TWO WOULD GIVE THE CITY ADDITIONAL BUFFER OR FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE CHOICES ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES. OK. WELL, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT, AND I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS OF ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE TRAIN STATION DENSITIES, THAT'S THREE B MODIFICATION. AND ALSO MAYBE ELIMINATING SOME OTHER SITES. THAT'S THREE C. BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS, ESPECIALLY FOR THINGS THAT ARE IN THEIR DISTRICTS THAT MAY HAVE REALLY CLOSE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD ELIMINATE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD. I MEAN, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS PROCESS WAS TO GATHER PUBLIC INPUT, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MOVE MOVING FORWARD ON THE NEXT STEP OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW KIND OF DISCARDING THE FACT THAT WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH COMMUNITY OPPOSITION TO SOME OF THESE SITES. SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN OUR DECISION MAKING FOR AS WE PARE DOWN THIS LIST. I REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S BEEN TELLING US ABOUT SOME OF THESE SITES. BUT BEING MINDFUL THAT WE DO, WE CAN'T JUST ELIMINATE THEM ALL. WE HAVE TO MEET OUR NUMBERS, SO WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS TOGETHER. BUT I'M LISTENING TO YOU, MY COLLEAGUES, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE DENSITY AT THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD AND CUTTING OUT THOSE TOP SITES THAT EXPERIENCE THE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION. DOES YOURS INCLUDE LEAVING THE WAL-MART SITE IN WHAT YOU JUST SAID? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK STAFF IF WE HAD TO REMOVE THAT. AND FROM WHAT I HEARD WAS, YES. RIGHT. I HEARD THERE WAS TWO OPTIONS YOU COULD TAKE KELLY OUT AND LEAVE IT IN IS WHAT I THINK I HEARD EARLIER. THAT'S CORRECT. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO TAKE IT OUT. IT'S JUST BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THERE WAS DESIRES TO HAVE IT REMOVED, BUT IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE, WHETHER IT STAYS IN OR NOT. YEAH, YEAH, I DO. I MEAN, THOSE THREE PARCELS ARE STUCK TOGETHER, AND I THINK IF WE REMOVE THE KELLY ONE, WE COULD KEEP IN THE OTHER. AND JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE KELLY PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER, EXPRESSED OPPOSITION THE OTHER TWO PIECES. WE HEARD COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IN OPPOSITION. AND DID WE NOT HEAR THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE WAL-MART SITE SAY THEY WERE. IN FAVOR. IN FAVOR OF. YEAH, SO I WOULD KEEP THAT ONE, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THAT IN THERE AND REMOVING THE KELLY, OBVIOUSLY, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED AND KEEPING THE OTHER IN THERE. OK. I DON'T SEE MR. NORBY ON MY SCREEN, BUT DID YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS THIS TIME, MR. NORBY OR DR. BHAT-PATEL YOU GO AHEAD, YOUR HANDS UP. WELL, THAT'S OK, I THINK. WELL, YEAH, I'LL GO NOW SINCE I'M UNMUTED, BUT I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY WAS UNMUTED FOR A MOMENT, SO YEAH, I MEAN, DEFINITELY IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD TO GET HERE. WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS FOR SOME TIME AND I KNOW THAT WE DID PAIR IT DOWN [02:10:05] BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. I DO THINK AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOWS FOR US TO NOW MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. WHAT THIS IS DOING IS GIVING OUR STAFF AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS POSSIBLE TO GO OUT THERE AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IF WE START TO PARE IT DOWN EVEN MORE WE WILL REMOVE THAT FLEXIBILITY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND SO TO ME, A DEFINITELY HAPPY TO OBVIOUSLY INCORPORATE BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, I DID ASK QUESTIONS AROUND THIS DURING BRIEFING. WE ARE ABLE TO OBVIOUSLY DO A MIX AND MATCH OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US SO THAT WE DO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. BUT I DO THINK THAT INCORPORATING OPTION ONE SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT WE DO TONIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE MAP AND JUST HAVING THAT ABILITY TO LOOK INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVES OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SITES WILL REALLY ALLOW FOR US TO MAKE A BETTER INFORMED DECISION. SO FOR FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING, AND IT DOES SOUND LIKE DEFINITELY I HEAR THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE IS SOME OPPOSITION. I'M ALSO HEARING THAT THERE IS NEED FOR HOUSING FOR FOLKS THROUGHOUT THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS, AND I'M ALSO HEARING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WILLING AND READY TO TRY AND CREATE THAT HOUSING. SO FOR ME, WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO IS DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR OPTION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME TO A GOOD CONCLUSION FROM WHAT STAFF HEARD FROM US LAST SUMMER AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PURSUE THAT. AND SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. MR. NORBY. THANK YOU, MR. DONNELL, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU PUT UP THE ONE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE QUADRANT KIND OF THE FIRST FIVE RHNA CYCLES AND THEN I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL OF WHERE WE ARE AND I JUST WANT TO USE THAT TO KIND OF BASE SOME OF MY COMMENTS WHILE IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY MAY I CLARIFY THAT'S THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY QUADRANT. I BELIEVE SO. IT SHOWED THE FIRST FIVE RHNA CYCLES WHERE WE ARE AND THEN IT SHOWED WHERE WE WOULD BE WITH THIS RHNA CYCLE AS WELL BUT IT WAS BY QUADRANT. I THINK YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO THIS TABLE. THAT SLIDE IS THE ONE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. OKAY. SO WHEN I SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE TABLE BY PREVIOUS COLLEAGUES, OR PREVIOUS DECISIONS BY THIS COUNCIL. AND SO WHEN I WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TABLE AND I LOOK AT THE EXISTING HOUSING AFFORDABLE UNITS, I GENERALLY SEE EQUITY. I SEE ALL FOUR QUADRANTS PARTICIPATING AND PROVIDING THE HOUSING THAT IS A STATE OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IN A SOMEWHAT EQUITABLE FASHION. AND I NOTICE THE NORTHEAST IS A LITTLE LOW, BUT YOU'VE GOT TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX UNITS COMING ON IN TERMS OF THE KIND OF THE THIRD COLUMN THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WANT TO KIND OF MAYBE THIS IS I DO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FAIRLY EASY DISCUSSION ON THIS RHNA CYCLE SIX. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE FAIRLY EASILY. BUT I THINK RHNA CYCLE SEVEN AND EIGHT COMING IN EIGHT YEARS AND 16 YEARS ARE GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR FUTURE COUNCILS AND IT'S GOING TO GET HARDER AND HARDER AND HARDER. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT SUCCESSOR COMMITTEE CAN FORMULATE A BEAUTIFUL PLAN THAT PREVENTS KIND OF CITIZEN COUNCIL ANGST AND ANGER OVER THESE FUTURE RHNA NUMBERS IN TERMS OF GIVING US SOME GUIDANCE ON WHICH WAY WE SHOULD GO IN TERMS OF WHERE WE SHOULD PUT FUTURE OBLIGATIONS BY THE STATE. AND I'M OF THE OPINION THAT ONE OF THE VERY, VERY KIND OF BASIC TENETS OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THAT NO, NO QUADRANT OR NO CITIZENS OR NO PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD GETS TO AVOID THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE STATE PUTS ON US, THAT ALL OF THE QUADRANTS AND ALL ACROSS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SOMEWHAT EQUALLY HANDLE THAT OBLIGATION FROM THE STATE [02:15:06] OF CALIFORNIA. NOBODY WANTS IT. THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT DOESN'T WANT IT IN THE NORTH. NOBODY WANTS IT. THIS IS COMING FROM THE STATE. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE ACTIONS OF RHNA SIX, WHICH WOULD BE THE SECOND TO LAST COLUMN, YOU KNOW, I NOTE THAT THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT TAKES MORE THAN THE OTHER THREE QUADRANTS PUT TOGETHER AT SIXTEEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN UNITS, AND THE REST OF THEM ARE AROUND FOUR HUNDRED UNITS I THINK FOR THE ALL THREE QUADRANTS, FOR CERTAINLY, YEAH, JUST SLIGHTLY MORE, AND THAT THAT IMPACTS EVERY RESIDENT OF THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT. AND IF WE LOOK AT SITE TWO, IT IMPACTS ROAN ROAD, IT IMPACTS JEFFERSON ROAD, IT IMPACTS EL CAMINO REAL, WHICH IS ALREADY JUST A HIDEOUS AREA AROUND SEVENTY EIGHT. AND AS WE ADD MORE AND MORE AND MORE TO THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT GETS LOWERED AND IT'S JUST TOO SIMPLE. AND I CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE ARE STARTING DOWN A PATH WHERE WE ARE BECOMING UNBALANCED AND WE ARE PUTTING EVERYTHING IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT. AND I LOOK AT A POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, RHNA NUMBER SEVEN AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, HEY, THE MALL, THE STORES ON THE EAST SIDE ARE GETTING A LITTLE OLD. LET'S PUT HOUSING THERE. AND BOY, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UP ZONE AND DO EVEN MORE HOUSING IN SITE TWO OR ALONG THE RAILROAD. AND THAT IMBALANCE IS GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE COMMUNITY PROBLEM ON YOUR HANDS IN RHNA CYCLE SIX AND SEVEN. SO IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S A WARNING MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF THE PATH WE'RE GOING DOWN IS SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WE WENT DOWN WITH THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN AND SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN I THINK ALL CITIZENS IN CARLSBAD WANT, WHICH IS THAT WE SHARE THE OBLIGATION EQUALLY. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS AN OBLIGATION THAT'S BEING FOISTED UPON CARLSBAD BY THE STATE AND BY SANDAG. AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SHARE IT EQUALLY. AND SO WITH THAT AS KIND OF A BASIC FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE FOR ME, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANY UP ZONING, WHICH I THINK WAS OPTION THREE OF INCREASED DENSITIES AT SITES TWO AND ALONG THE RAILROAD CORRIDOR BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK OTHER QUADRANTS ARE CARRYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. AND I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE, I THINK IT WAS SITE 13 THAT WAS REMOVED. I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT IF I CAN SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER MAKE A MOTION TO REINCLUDE THAT SITE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE IF IT'S 100 UNITS THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THAT QUADRANT AND THEY ENDED UP IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, I'M NOT I'M NOT VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR. AND NOBODY GETS TO EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM THE OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. I ALSO THINK THAT SITE MAY BE VERY CLOSE TO THE TWENTY SIX UNITS PER ACRE. AND IF IT'S VERY CLOSE, IT MAY BE AN EASY LIFT TO GET THAT UP TO TWENTY SIX UNITS PER ACRE AND INCLUDE IT IN THEM, I THINK, THE MOST HARDEST AREA, WHICH IS THE LOWEST, LOWEST INCOME AREA TO INCLUDE. SO I'D LIKE SOME ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY IF THAT'S POSSIBLE AND HOW I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT SITE BACK IN. BUT THE OVERALL MESSAGE HERE IS I WOULD LIKE MY COLLEAGUES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TENETS OF THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND I THINK THAT THIS IDEA THAT WE ALL SHARE THE BURDEN AND WE DON'T LOAD UP ONE OF THE QUADRANTS WITH AN UNFAIR SHARE OF THEIR BURDEN. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SEE HAPPENING HERE, AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD PREDICT HAPPEN IN FUTURE RHNA NUMBERS. LASTLY, I LOOK AT SITE 15, WHICH IS KIND OF ON THE SOUTH END OF STATE STREET AND OAK STREET THERE, AND I LOOK AT THAT SITE, I THINK IT'S TWENTY SIX UNITS, BUT IT MIGHT BE A YIELD OF TWENTY THREE, TWENTY FOUR PRETTY SMALL NUMBER YIELD. AND I THINK THAT SITE HAS AMAZING POSSIBILITIES, BOTH ENVIRONMENTALLY AND CULTURALLY IN THE FUTURE FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. IT IS IN AN AREA BOTH THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO THAT IS JUST HAVING A LOT OF FOUR STORY BUILDINGS WALL TO WALL, AND THE SITE IS OWNED BY THE CITY. AND I JUST THINK AS WE GO FORWARD 10, 20, 50 YEARS OUT LOOKING AT ITS LOCATION, HOPING OR PREDICTING THAT A TRENCH PROJECT WILL BE BUILT THERE IT'S JUST A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE BEACH. IT'S JUST A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM PINE PARK, A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM OUR TWO THEATERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE VILLAGE ARTS AND THE CARLSBAD THEATER ACROSS, AND IS A WONDERFUL POTENTIAL FUTURE SITE FOR SOME SORT OF A CULTURAL FACILITY, CULTURAL BUILDING, ARTS BUILDING, COMMUNITY BUILDING, SOMETHING OTHER THAN ENVIRONMENTAL, SOMETHING OTHER [02:20:02] THAN HOUSING AT THAT LOCATION. AND I'M REMINDED OF A PAST CITY THAT I DID IN WORK THAT I WORKED IN IS THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 OR 40 DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE WE COULD PUT HOUSING, BUT ONLY ONE OR TWO PLACES THAT WE COULD PUT VERY MUCH WANTED COMMUNITY FACILITIES, SUCH AS A CULTURAL ARTS CENTER. AND I THINK THAT THAT SITE SHOULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE THE VALUE TO THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS IS FAR GREATER FOR INTERIM PARKING IF WE NEED TO DO THAT. PAID EMPLOYEE PARKING, YOU KNOW, A PLACE WHERE FESTIVALS AND FACILITIES CAN HAPPEN, AS WELL AS FUTURE STRUCTURES AND BUILDINGS FOR EITHER THE ARTS OR CULTURAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL. SO I ASK THAT THAT BE REMOVED AS WELL. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. OK MR. BLACKBURN. WELL, FIRST, I WANT TO ASK STAFF A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE YOU'VE LISTENED TO ALL OUR CONCERNS, WHAT AT THIS POINT, WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST, WHAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO STUDY? HOW MANY MAP VARIATIONS UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERY TIME WE ADD A MAP, IT'S ADDING ALMOST ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS COST. I'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF'S OPINION NOW THAT YOU'VE LISTENED TO ALL OF OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I WOULD. I WOULD. ONE IS I WOULD RECOMMEND OR WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MAP OPTION ONE BE INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS. THAT'S THE MOST IMPACTIVE MAP. IT'S ALL 18 SITES. WHAT IT WILL DO IS WILL GIVE US GIVE THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE, WHAT THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES TO ADDRESS THOSE IMPACTS ARE. AND WHEN WE BRING THAT MAP BACK, THERE WILL BE SOME ABILITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, MAYBE TAKING OFF SITES, DEPENDING ON THE SIGNIFICANCE. WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF IT REQUIRES A REANALYSIS, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OPTION ONE DEFINITELY BE INCLUDED IN THE MAPS ANALYZED. ANOTHER THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF CERTAIN SITES THREE, FOUR AND EIGHT. THAT'S MAP OPTION TWO. THERE'S TWO WAYS WE CAN GO WITH THAT ONE. ONE IS IT SOUNDS LIKE WE REMOVE SITE THREE AND EIGHT AND AND THE KELLY PARCEL OF SITE FOUR THE REST OF SITE FOUR WILL STAY. THAT WILL BE A MAP. AND THEN THIS AGAIN WILL BE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE A SPLIT COUNCIL REGARDING WHETHER WE AS PART OF THAT MAP, INCREASE THE DENSITY AT THE SHOPS OR INCREASE THE DENSITY AT THE STATIONS TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE LOST UNITS. SO THAT WOULD BE A SECOND MAP THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED. BUT AGAIN, THAT AGAIN, [INAUDIBLE] IT KIND OF SEEM A LITTLE SPLIT ON ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE AN INCREASE ON THOSE OTHER SITES TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE OTHER LOSSES. AND JUST REMIND ME, NUMBER THREE WAS THE CHESTNUT AT EL CAMINO REAL. IS THAT ACCURATE? CORRECT. AND WHAT WAS THE EIGHT? I'M SO SORRY. I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME. EIGHT IS THE COTTAGE ROW DEVELOPMENT. OK. AND IF WE CHOSE, NUMBER ONE DID THAT INCLUDE THE UP-ZONING OF THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD? OR WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE AN ADDITIONAL A MOTION? THAT WOULD BE OPTION ONE WITH THE ADDITION OF OPTION THREE A, AND THAT COULD BE A DIRECTION THE COUNCIL MAKES. BUT ERIC TO CLARIFY OPTION ONE INCLUDES AN INCREASE ON THE SHOPS OR AS AND THEN OPTION 3A IS EVEN AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE. YES, [INAUDIBLE]. OK. THANK YOU MAYOR, YOU'RE READY FOR STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS. A COUPLE QUESTIONS BEFORE, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU MR. BLACKBURN. THANK YOU. WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE SHOPS AND THE DENSITY ON THE SHOPS. HELP ME UNDERSTAND. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PART OF THE LAMB THAT THE SHOPS IS LOCATED ON IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF OCEANSIDE. [INAUDIBLE] PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT IS IN OCEANSIDE. SO THE VERY NORTHERN NORTH NORTHWESTERN CORNER. SO WHEN WE ANALYZED THE SHOPS, THEN WE WILL OBVIOUSLY THAT DENSITY WOULD HAVE TO GO ON THE CARLSBAD SIDE OF THAT OF THAT PROPERTY LINE. CORRECT. OK. AND THEN I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD ANSWER MR. NORBY'S QUESTION. I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING THAT. YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [02:25:02] COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, THE TWO PARCELS OR THE PARCEL THAT YOU REFERENCED WAS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED BY THE COUNCIL FROM THE STAFF REPORT BEFORE YOU. SO THEREFORE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, AND I BELIEVE THAT MEANS EVEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS WEREN'T NOTICED. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT PROPERTY, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CARRIES TO PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION. MR. MURPHY, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHEN PONTO WAS REMOVED WHAT WE DID TO MAKE UP FOR THAT? YES. WHEN THE COUNCIL DIRECTED TO NOT INCLUDE THE PONTO SITE AS PART OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THEY INSTRUCTED US TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE SITES THAT WERE LOCATED WITHIN THE THE SOUTH. I'M SORRY, THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT. SO THE SITES THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD EIGHT POTENTIAL SITES IN THAT QUADRANT, THE COUNCIL IDENTIFIED FOUR OF THOSE TO BE IDENTIFIED AS REPLACEMENT SITES FOR THE PONTO. SO THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE THAT WERE QUOTE LOST STAYED WITHIN THAT WITHIN THAT QUADRANT. THANK YOU. CAN I CAN I JUST MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT, I APPRECIATE OUR CITY ATTORNEY WEIGHING IN ON THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN MOVING THAT FORWARD IN TERMS OF FOR FUTURE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMBALANCE OF WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THESE REQUIRED LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSING SO THAT THEY'RE ENDING UP IN THE NORTHWEST IN PREPONDERANCE IN GREAT PREPONDERANCE. HAVING SAID THAT, I AM IN FAVOR OF SITE TWO. I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. I THINK IT'S GOING TO HANDLE AGAIN MOST OF THOSE UNITS ARE GOING TO GO THERE AND I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL CATALYST FOR THAT, FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, HELPING KIND OF REVITALIZE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALL WANTED TO REVITALIZE FOR THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS. I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PUTTING HOUSING WHERE RAIL IS. I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED. I HAVE MY OWN PERSONAL IDEA OF WHEN THAT PROBABLY WILL HAPPEN, WHICH IS WHEN A TRENCH PROJECT HAPPENS, IS MOST LIKELY WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE HOUSING UNITS MATERIALIZE. SO I'M HAPPY WITH THE DENSITY THERE AS WELL, AND I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS. I'M NOT SEEKING TO GET THOSE PROJECTS TAKEN OUT. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE KELLY PROPERTY. WHAT IS THE LOSS ON HOUSING ON THE KELLY PROPERTY IF THE KELLY PROPERTY IS REMOVED AT THIS TIME? WHAT'S THE NUMBER? COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, THE LOSS OF UNITS FROM THAT PROPERTY IS ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR LOW INCOME UNITS. OK, SO IT'S A NUMBER, BUT I IT'S I'M HAPPY TO HEAR IT'S THAT LOW, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER GIVEN THE PARCEL SIZE SO THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OVERCOME SHOULD THAT PROPERTY OWNER NOT WANT TO DO IT. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US GET TO ESCAPE THE OBLIGATION TO DO THIS AS A CITY, AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S REMOTELY FAIR AT ALL FOR THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT THAT THEY JUST END UP WITH INCREASED DENSITIES AT SITE TWO AND SITE I THINK IT'S LIKE 14. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR AT ALL. I'M OK WITH SITE 15 AND THE REASON I'M SORRY, I'M OK WITH THE OTHER TRANSIT SITE IN POINSETTIA. AND THE REASON I'M OK WITH THAT IS BECAUSE THAT QUADRANT IS PICKING UP A LIGHTER LOAD THAN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT. SO I'M OK WITH TAKING THAT DENSITY UP, BUT I WOULD JUST AGAIN ASK MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER REMOVING SITE 15, WHICH IS, I THINK, TWENTY SIX UNITS FROM THE OVERALL LIST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S TOO VALUABLE IN OUR REGION, FOR IN OUR ENTIRE AREA, FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS CITY OWNED SITE THAT WE COULD USE TO DO SOMETHING EVEN BETTER. I HAVE ONE FURTHER QUESTION OF STAFF. AND IT'S IN REGARDS TO A LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER AND THE REZONING OF INDUSTRIAL LAND WITH RESIDENTIAL AND WILL THAT DEVALUE ANY SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OR COMPROMISE ANY USES WITHIN THE SAFETY CIRCLE THAT FOLLOWS THAT RESIDENTIAL? MAYOR HALL, THANK YOU, THAT WAS A LETTER RECEIVED FROM THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER OWNERS ASSOCIATION REGARDING TWO SITES SITES SIX AND SEVEN. BOTH ARE LOCATED JUST BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE RESEARCH CENTER. SITE SIX IS ACTUALLY CITY OWNED PROPERTY DEVELOPED WITH THE CROSSING'S GOLF COURSE. IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIALLY, WE ESTIMATE IT COULD YIELD ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY ONE LOW INCOME UNITS. THE OTHER PROPERTY IS A VACANT SITE ABOUT 10 ACRES ALONG SALK AVENUE, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE RESEARCH CENTER. THAT PROPERTY, I BELIEVE, IS OWNED BY SCRIPPS HEALTH, AND THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF REDESIGNATING IT TO RESIDENTIAL. [02:30:05] THAT IS THAT THE TWO SITES THAT ARE RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE AIRPORT TAKE OFF? IT IS. IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE TWO SITES. YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE SITES ON EITHER SIDE OF COLLEGE BOULEVARD. THIS IS THE SITE THAT'S TO THE WEST OR TO THE NORTH THAT'S DIRECTLY ABOVE THE GOLF COURSE. IT IS NOT CONSTRAINED BY AIRPORT SAFETY ZONES, AS IS THE OTHER ONE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COLLEGE. AND SO IS THE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY AFFECTED, IS THAT PART OF THE ONES WE'RE GOING TO PUT A HOUSING ON? THE ONE THAT IS DIRECTLY AFFECTED IS NOT A SITE WE WOULD PUT HOUSING ON. OK, SO THIS IS ON THE WHAT WOULD IT BE ON THE NORTH SIDE THEN OF COLLEGE? I BELIEVE YES, THE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY ABOVE THE GOLF COURSE. AS YOU'RE ON COLLEGE, HEADING TOWARDS PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD, IT WOULD BE THE PARCEL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. OK. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF ALL THE SAFETY QUESTIONS AND JUST TO MAKE SURE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR LETTER OR THEIR COMMENT WAS REPRESENTED. SO. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS TO FOLLOW UP ON WITH, MR. NORBY SAID. AND THAT'S JUST TO MAKE US AWARE OF NOT TODAY, BUT THE FUTURE. IF TRANSITS TO WORK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 40 TO 50 UNITS PER ACRE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE DENSITY IT TAKES TO GET TRANSIT TO WORK. SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO FORWARD NOT ONLY ON THIS QUESTION, BUT OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO US SO. GO AHEAD MR. BLACKBURN. WELL, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE SPEAKERS AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE STATE COMING IN AND TELLING US HOW TO RUN OUR CITY. YOU KNOW, I'VE OFTEN SAID APPARENTLY THE STATE'S DOING SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB RUNNING THE STATE NOW THEY WANT TO RUN OUR CITY AS WELL. AND I SAY THAT VERY SARCASTICALLY. WE'RE KIND OF IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE DAMNED IF WE DO, DAMNED IF WE DON'T. WE NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE THE DENSITY AND NOBODY WANTS IT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOST AFFECTED BY IT. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR MOST OF IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS I'M KIND OF LOOKING TO OPTION NUMBER ONE BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY. IT'S TRUE SOME OF THE CALLERS CALLED IN AND SAID THAT PARTS OF EL CAMINO REAL HAVE ALREADY HIT THEIR MAXIMUM AND HAVE ALREADY EXCEEDED THEIR ABILITY TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE AND TO ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO IT IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR STAFF HAS AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PLACES TO PUT THIS. I THINK WE ALL HAVE OUR LITTLE PETS, OUR PET PROPERTIES WE'D LIKE TO HAVE REMOVED MINE WOULD BE REMOVING SITE THREE, THE CHESTNUT IN EL CAMINO REAL PIECE. AND WE HEARD EVERYBODY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PIECES THAT THEY'D LIKE TO TAKE OUT OR LEAVE IN. BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. I LIKE THE IDEA OF LEAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY UP TO OUR STAFF AND THEN LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE START COMPLETING EIRS AND MAKE A BETTER INFORMED DECISION. THE ONE THING I'M GOING TO WHEN IT'S TIME, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE GO WITH OPTION NUMBER ONE, WHICH ALLOWS US THE MOST FLEXIBILITY. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD 3A, WHICH ALSO LOOKS AT THE INCREASED DENSITY AT THE SHOPS OF CARLSBAD. THE REASON I LIKE THAT IS FIRST, I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS WHO SAY, YEAH, WE NEED MORE DENSITY, BUT DON'T PUT IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HEAR THAT CONSTANTLY. THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD ISN'T IN ANYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEXT THING IS WE WANT TO PUT THE DENSITY WHERE THERE ARE SERVICES AND TRANSPORTATION RIGHT NEXT TO A SHOPPING CENTER TO ACTUALLY BE SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO SHOPPING CENTERS, ESSENTIALLY TWO FREEWAYS AND A BUS STATION, I THINK IS THE BEST PLACE FOR HIGH DENSITY. SO WHEN IT'S TIME, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR OPTION NUMBER ONE WITH THE ADDITION OF OPTION 3A AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE INPUT FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. WHY DON'T I SECOND DEBT MR. BLACKBURN JUST TO START, AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO IF SOMEBODY HAS WANTS TO MAKE ANY. OK AND THEN THAT BE MY OFFICIAL MOTION. AND THEN DR. BHAT-PATEL, I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, IT LOOKED LIKE. YES, THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY WAS ALSO GOING TO SECOND, SO I APPRECIATE THE SECOND. AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN JUST [02:35:01] MADE WITH REGARDS TO THERE IT IS IT IS A CHALLENGE. WE'RE DEFINITELY LISTENING. WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO REALLY BALANCE, OF COURSE, THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS. BUT ALSO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABIDING BY THE STATE RULES AS UNFORTUNATE AS SOME OF THEM CAN BE SOMETIMES. AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO REALLY BALANCE EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND PROVIDE WHAT WE CAN FOR FOLKS AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS MOVING FORWARD. AND I DO THINK THAT GOING INTO THIS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY, IT'LL ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO ONCE WE'VE HAD THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORTS IN FRONT OF US. I THINK THAT IF WE START TO PICK AND CHOOSE AGAIN, LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN SAID, CURRENTLY IT'LL LIMIT US IN THAT IN THAT FLEXIBILITY. AND SO RIGHT NOW, I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT MOTION THAT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL GIVE US THE MOST FLEXIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN PARE IT DOWN AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. MR. NORBY, COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. YEAH, THANK YOU. I CAN I CAN I CAN SUPPORT THE FIRST PART OF THE MOTION BECAUSE IT DOES KIND OF PREVENT US ALL FROM PICKING AND CHOOSING OR I THINK THE WORD WAS PETS, YOU KNOW MINE WOULD BE SITE 15. KEITH, YOU SAID SITE THREE AND SOME OTHERS OTHER SITES AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT WHEN WE ADD THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION, WE ARE PICKING AND CHOOSING AND WE'RE ABSOLUTELY PICKING AND CHOOSING AND WE'RE PICKING TO PUT THE INCREASED DENSITY I THINK IT'S A FEW HUNDRED UNITS, SO IT MIGHT BE 200 OR 400 UNITS, I BELIEVE WAS THE SITE TWO ENLARGEMENT, IF YOU WILL, OR GREATER DENSITY. BUT IT'S A NUMBER, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 20 OR 30. DO YOU HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT THAT KIND OF OPTION 3A TO INCLUDE SITE TWO WOULD BE? YES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN AND SHOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE. OR JUST TELL US WHAT THE NUMBER IS. SO IT'D BE ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY EIGHT UNITS, A COUPLE HUNDRED. SO WE ARE PICKING AND CHOOSING AND WE ARE FURTHER UNBALANCING WHAT I WHAT I VIEW TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN OBLIGATION OF ALL FOUR QUADRANTS. AND LET ME JUST TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AS I TALK ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND WHY CAN'T WE PUT MORE HOMES UP IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK? AND THE RESPONSE THAT I GET FROM OTHERS IS THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. IT'S INDUSTRIAL AND IT'S NOT A GOOD LAND USE THERE, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME HAZARDS. I'VE HEARD THAT. I HEARD THAT IN 1994, WHEN WE DID THE CARLSBAD RANCH SPECIFIC PLAN AND THE VOTE FOR LEGO THAT WE WERE CHANGING RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT LAND AND WE WERE CHANGING THAT TO BE OFFICE AND WE WERE CHANGING THAT TO BE AGRICULTURE AND TOURISM AND OFFICE AND MUSEUM. AND THE ZONING WOULDN'T WORK BECAUSE IT WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THAT ZONING ABSOLUTELY WORKED. IT WORKED GREAT. AND THAT'S JUST GROUND TRUTH OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, IT'S WORKED GREAT. AND RECENTLY THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT PUTTING BREWERIES THERE OR SOME OTHER USES THEIR RESTAURANT THERE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. AND WOULD THAT WORK? AND THE ANSWER IS THAT HAS WORKED GREAT. AND SO WITH THIS KIND OF IDEA AND CONCEPT THAT WE ALL HAVE TO SHARE THIS BURDEN, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AN AREA, YOU KNOW, TO JUST SIMPLY SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPS TO PUT EXTRA DENSITY WITHOUT LOOKING AT THESE AREAS, WHICH I THINK WOULD WORK GREAT. THEY'RE VERY COMPATIBLE FOR HOUSING UP THERE. IT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER TO ME TO SAY, WELL, THERE'S SOME MATERIALS ISSUE AND SOME HAZARDS BECAUSE THEY ALL EXISTED ON THE OTHER SITES WHEN WE DID THE CARLSBAD RANCH SPECIFIC PLAN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME TO SAY THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO IT DOWN THIS AREA BECAUSE WE HAVE MASTERPLAN COMMUNITIES AND WE'RE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THERE'S A FEW THOUSAND OF US AND THERE'S REALLY NO APARTMENTS DOWN HERE AND IT DOESN'T FIT. WE ALL SHARE THE OBLIGATION. AND SO JUST WITH THAT, I DO SUPPORT THE FIRST PART OF THE MOTION. I DO THINK WE'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHEN WE GET INTO THE SECOND PART OF THE MOTION, AND I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION IF THAT'S INCLUDED. DR. BHAT-PATEL. SURE, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION THEN WOULD BE AMENABLE TO JUST HAVING OPTION ONE MOVE FORWARD AND REMOVING THAT OTHER PART, WHICH WAS 3A, SO THAT WE DO HAVE THAT, THAT IT IS MORE BROAD AND IT DOESN'T GO INTO PICKING AND CHOOSING. NO, I WOULDN'T, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE REASON IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT AND DOING THE INVESTIGATIVE WORK. AND THIS GIVES THAT ADDED FLEXIBILITY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP 3A IN MY MOTION. [02:40:09] COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? I SAW YOUR HAND UP, I THOUGHT. I DO. YES, MY HAND WAS UP FOR A LONG TIME, BUT ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE SETTLED FIRST TO THE CHANGE SO THAT THAT CHANGE JUST ISN'T HAPPENING, RIGHT? IT'S STILL FIRST AND SECONDED. THE MOTION IS ON THE TABLE AND IT HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED. OK. SO I MY COMMENTS ARE I HEAR I HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING, I'M PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS CONVERSATION AS I HAVE THE ENTIRE TIME I WATCHED THE HEAC MEETINGS, I WATCHED ALL OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT ANYTHING ONLINE ABOUT HOUSING ELEMENT AND I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO RHNA AND I TALK ABOUT IT AND I GO OUT TO GROUPS AND I TALK ABOUT WHAT RHNA IS. I TALK ABOUT LEGISLATION, AND I'M FOLLOWING THIS REALLY, REALLY CLOSELY. I'M ALSO A HUGE BELIEVER IN CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PUBLIC, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING BACK TO US. AND I THINK THE THING THAT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THIS PROCESS OF ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL SITES TO LOOK AT REZONING WAS INITIATED AND THESE 18 SITES WERE CHOSEN BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO EMBARK ON A PUBLIC OUTREACH AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. AND IN THAT PROCESS, WE SPENT MONEY TO DO SURVEYS AND PUBLIC OPINION POLLS AND SHOW PEOPLE THE MAPS AND COLLECT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. AND OF COURSE, WE COULDN'T REACH EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU NEVER CAN. BUT WE INITIATED THIS PROCESS IN GOOD FAITH TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCARDING WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING US. AND I FEEL THAT THAT BY GOING WITH ONE, WE'RE SAYING, YES, WE HEARD YOU, BUT WE'RE NOT LISTENING LIKE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ANYWAY WITH ALL OF THESE. SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION. I SUPPORT TWO AND PURELY ON THE DATA. THOSE STAFF COLLECTED THOSE TOP THREE AREAS OF CONCERN WHERE THERE WAS THE MOST OPPOSITION. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE REMOVED. NONE OF THEM ARE IN MY DISTRICT. THIS ISN'T MY PET AND I DON'T LIKE THAT THAT IS BEING SAID THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE'S PETS AND THEY'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING BASED ON THEIR PETS BECAUSE I DON'T THIS IS ON THE DATA. THIS IS ON CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAYING, PLEASE SHARE WITH US YOUR FEEDBACK. AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD GO WITH OPTION NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE IT'S LISTENING AND REACTING AND HAVING THIS ONGOING REAL DIALOG WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, OK, WE GET IT. SOME OF THESE WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPLORING AND THEN ADDING THE SHOPS, THAT SAME THING. I MEAN, THERE'S A TON OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT SAYS, YES, PLEASE INCREASE THE DENSITY AT THE SHOPS. IT'S A PLACE THAT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE REST OF US AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT THERE. AND THERE IS A TRANSIT HUB THERE. AND IT'S RIGHT OFF THE FREEWAY, BUT THERE'S ALSO A TRANSIT HUB THAT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THAT PROPERTY. SO I DON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAVE SUPPORT, BUT I MIGHT AS WELL JUST MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE AND MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT I MOVE TO APPROVE OPTION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS TO ELIMINATE THE SITES WITH THE MOST COMMUNITY OPPOSITION AS THE PROPOSED PROJECT. EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE CAVEAT THAT WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WITH STAFF, WHICH IS PUTTING BACK IN THAT PART OF SITE FOUR, EXCEPT FOR KELLY AND THEN ADDING THE MODIFICATION OF INCREASING THE DENSITY AT THE SHOPS OF CARLSBAD. THAT IS MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION. SO I DON'T HEAR A SECOND. SO LET'S CALL THE QUESTION ON THIS MOTION. MAYOR, MAY I JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLETING IT AND I'LL LOOK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR HELP ON BULLET POINTS NUMBER THREE. PART OF THE MOTION SHOULD ADD THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE CONTRACT WITH RINCON CONSULTING AND BULLETPROOF NUMBER, OR BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO AUTHORIZE THE TRANSFER OF THE FUNDS, MR. ATTORNEY. IS THAT APPROPRIATE TO ADD TO THE MOTION AND HAVE IT ALL AS ONE? WELL, YOU ALL ARE VERY AMBITIOUS, BUT THE WAY THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS DESIGNED IS THAT YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR DIRECTION WITH RESPECT TO THE MAPS THAT SHOULD BE ANALYZED BY MINUTE MOTION OR BY MOTION. AND THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT DIRECTION. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU ONLY DO OPTION ONE, YOU ONLY NEED TO ADOPT THE FIRST RESOLUTION. IF YOU ADOPT A AN ALTERNATIVE SO YOU HAVE TWO MAPS, THEN YOU'LL NEED TO ADOPT THE SECOND RESOLUTION. WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU'LL NEED TO ADOPT IT WITH THE NUMBER OF MAPS WRITTEN INTO [02:45:01] IT, SO YOU'LL NEED TO FILL IN THAT BLANK. JUST TO MAKE SURE I DO IT CORRECTLY THEN MY MOTION WAS OPTION ONE WITH THE ADDITION OF OPTION THREE A. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO VOTE FOR THAT FIRST AND THEN HIT BULLET POINTS NUMBER SPEAKERS]. YES. LET'S DO IT THAT WAY MR. BLACKBURN. OK, THANK YOU. SO WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION ON MR. BLACKBURN'S MOTION. MAYOR, IF WE COULD JUST ENSURE THAT SO THE MOTION IS FOR TWO MAPS. MAP ONE AND OPTION, ANOTHER MAP OPTION THREE A. THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT. MR. BLACKBURN, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OK. AND MAY I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION, MAYOR OF MR. MURPHY. MR. MURPHY, DOES THAT DOES THAT ENSURE ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, WHEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE REAL DECISIONS TO ACTUALLY CHOOSE SITES? THOSE MAPS ARE ANALYZING THE MOST IMPACTIVE OPTIONS. I'D SAY THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE BRING BACK THE ITEM FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION IN ROUGHLY A YEAR. IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO TAKE OFF SITES AFTER THAT ANALYSIS, WE MAY NEED TO DO HAVE TO DO FURTHER ANALYSIS ON WHAT THAT IMPACT IS. THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN BEING ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT DOING FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, BUT IT'S HARD TO ASSESS AT THIS POINT WHAT THAT WILL BE. SO, SO AGAIN, THIS DOES GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY. IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT SITES THAT IF YOU REMOVE, WHETHER MORE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS WILL NEED TO FOLLOW, JUST HEARING THE COUNCIL AND DISCUSSIONS ON SOME OF THESE SITES. ONE OPTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IS A THIRD MAP. AND THE THIRD MAP COULD BE THE REMOVAL OF SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15, WITH AN INCREASE ON THE ON THE TROLLEY STATION SITES. THE INCREASED DENSITY AT THE TWO TROLLEY STATION SITES AND THAT WILL GIVE THE COUNCIL MORE FLEXIBILITY IN DECIDING WHICH DIRECTION THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO BASED ON WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS GENERATES, RESULTS AND WHAT MITIGATION MEASURES WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO IMPOSE. SO I HATE TO THROW THAT AS A THIRD OPTION, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED, AND IT WOULD JUST GIVE COUNCIL MORE OPTIONS, MORE FLEXIBILITY WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR FINAL DECISION. MAYOR, CAN WE TAKE JUST A FEW MOMENTS OF A BREAK AND THEN COME BACK MAYBE FIVE MINUTES? I THOUGHT YOU WOULD NEVER ASK MR. BLACKBURN. SO IT IS. LET'S TAKE SEVEN MINUTES. WE'LL COME BACK AT FIVE MINUTES TO SIX. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION AGAIN FROM STAFF THIS EVENING, WE ARE BEING ASKED TO ENDORSE A SERIES OF MAPS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS WHAT THESE MAPS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE MAPS. AND BEFORE WE BROKE, STAFF WAS DISCUSSING WHAT A POTENTIAL THIRD MAP MIGHT BE. THAT AGAIN, COULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE COUNCIL NEXT YEAR WITH SOME FLEXIBILITY AND OPTIONS WHEN THEY DO HAVE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE FINAL DECISIONS. CAN I ASK MR. MURPHY TO PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT A THIRD MAP MIGHT LOOK LIKE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY? ABSOLUTELY. SO WHAT I WAS WE WERE SUGGESTING FOR A THIRD MAP WOULD BE OPTION ONE MINUS SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15. AND THEN ADD OPTION THREE B, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE DENSITIES AT THE TWO TRANSIT STOPS. TO MAKE UP THE LOSS IN UNITS FROM REMOVING THOSE OTHER THREE SITES, THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A THIRD MAP. OK, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MODIFY MY MOTION, IF I MAY. SURE, GO AHEAD. TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION STAFF'S THOUGHTS, MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE OPTION ONE MINUS SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15. THE REASON I'M ADDING THE EXCUSE ME, ONE SECOND, LET ME JUST CLOSE MY DOOR SO THE DOG'S NOT BARKING. THAT'S ONE OF THE PLEASURES OF WORKING FROM HOME. IT'S A FISCAL WATCHDOG THAT WAS. SO IT'S OPTION ONE MINUS SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15, AND THAT SHOULD AT LEAST COMPROMISE [02:50:04] WITH COUNCIL MEMBER. ACOSTA HAS CONCERNS THAT THESE WERE THE SITES THAT CAME IN THE HIGHEST FOR PEOPLE'S DISAPPROVAL. AND THEN ADDING SITE THREE B TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE FOR TAKING OUT SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15. SO LET ME JUST SAY IT ALL AT ONCE. OPTION ONE MINUS SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15 AND THE ADDITION OF A MAP 3B. COUNCIL MEMBER I'M SORRY, IS THAT A MODIFICATION TO AMEND AND ADD A THIRD MAP TO YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION? THAT'S CORRECT. OK, AND THEN IS THE THE SECOND ON THAT MOTION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ON THE TABLE IS A SECOND TO THAT MOTION AMENABLE TO ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MAP AS DESCRIBED? WELL, I'M SORRY, WAS THAT A YES MS. BHAT-PATEL? THE SECOND. THE SECOND WAS THE MAYOR. OH, I'M SORRY, MAYOR. I'M GOING TO LET DR. BHAT-PATEL SECOND IF SHE LIKES. WELL, NO, THIS IS THE THIS IS A MOTION THAT'S ALREADY ON THE TABLE, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO BE TO CONSENT TO THE MODIFICATION. I DON'T CONSENT. YOU DON'T CONSENT. OKAY. RIGHT. TO HELP ME MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO GET THE JOB DONE. MAYOR, WHAT PARTS DO YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH? I DON'T THINK SOME OF THOSE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. OK. COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKBURN, WE DO HAVE ONE MOTION ON THE TABLE. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND MS. BREWER. MY MOTION, I'M NOT HEARING A SECOND, SO I SHOULD GO BACK TO MY. SO CORRECT. MS. BREWER CANNOT DR. BHAT-PATEL SECOND THIS A MOTION INSTEAD OF ME? NO, BECAUSE THIS IS A A MOTION THAT'S EXISTING ON THE FLOOR, YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY GIVEN IT TO THE GROUP ALREADY FOR A VOTE. AND SO YOU CAN MODIFY THAT ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE CONSENT OF YOUR SECOND. IF THAT'S NOT TRUE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME DISPOSITIVE MOTION OF WHAT'S BEFORE YOU. SO. OR I CAN CALL FOR THE QUESTION THIS GETS VOTED DOWN AND HE CAN MAKE A SECOND MOTION CORRECT? AND YOU CAN ALSO VOTE ON THEM ALL INDIVIDUALLY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GROUP THEM. OK. THEN I'LL CALL THE QUESTION ON THIS ONE, LET'S CLEAR IT OFF THE SLATE AND THEN MR. BLACKBURN, YOU CAN TAKE A SECOND SHOT AT IT. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I DID SEE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA'S HAND UP. I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER. I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKBURN SHOULD BE ABLE TO I JUST DIDN'T SEE HOW THIS WAS AN ADDITIONAL MAP. I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE MAP, A DIFFERENT MAP. A DIFFERENT CHOICE, A DIFFERENT OPTION. I CONFIRMED OR TRIED TO CLARIFY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKBURN THAT THIS WAS AN ADDITION TO THE OTHER TWO MAPS. RIGHT. AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE, TO ADD THEM ALL. I THOUGHT IT WAS A DIFFERENT MOTION, LIKE A. ANYWAY, OK. YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD. OK. CALL THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. NO COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. NO. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. WELL, SINCE IT WAS MY MOTION, I BETTER SAY YES. MAYOR HALL. NO. OK, TRY AGAIN, MR. BLACKBURN, OK. THE MOTION WILL BE AN OPTION ONE MINUS THE THREE SITES THAT WE HAD THE MOST PUSHBACK ON, AND THAT WOULD BE SITE THREE, EIGHT AND 15 AND THE ADDITION OF THREE B. SO THIS IS A STANDALONE MOTION. SECOND. OK. [INAUDIBLE] COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA OR DR. BHAT-PATEL? SO NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ONLY ONE OPTION. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE DOING THREE DIFFERENT MAPS, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BY OUR STAFF TO PROVIDE US WITH THE FLEXIBILITY. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS NOW JUST GOING TO BE WHAT THE MOTION THAT YOU JUST MADE TAKES AWAY CERTAIN SITES AND ADDS SPECIFIC SITES. IS THAT ACCURATE? YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS TWO MAPS YOU HAD INDICATED AND THEN ADDING THIS PARTICULAR MAP AS WELL INTO THE MIX. MR. MURPHY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE IS THAT THE WAY DR. BHAT-PATEL IS INTERPRETING IT IS NOT THE WAY I INTENDED IT. SO WOULD YOU PLEASE HELP US WITH THAT? RIGHT. WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DOING IS JUST DOING MAPS ONE AT A TIME. SO RATHER THAN GROUPING THEM ALL AT THREE, THAT'S ONE MOTION FOR ALL THREE MAPS WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DOING AS IT'S DOING, IS DOING ONE MAP AT A TIME AND SEEING WHAT THE [02:55:02] COUNCIL'S DESIRES ARE. OK. MR. MURPHY, MY INTENT IS TO MAKE IT AS ABSOLUTELY FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE BUT REMOVING THE THREE SITES THAT HAD THE MOST PUSHBACK. SO MY MOTION WAS FOR OPTION ONE MINUS SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15 AND THE ADDITION OF THREE B. DOES THAT GIVE? AM I DOING WHAT I'M INTENDING TO DO BY GIVING YOU THE MOST FLEXIBILITY POSSIBLE, BUT REMOVING THE THREE SITES THAT HAD THE MOST PUSHBACK? NO, THE MOST, MOST FLEXIBILITY WOULD BE OPTION ONE, WHICH HAS ALL 18 SITES. IF THE COUNCIL IS ONLY LOOKING AT DOING ONE MAP. THAT WOULD BE THE MAP STAFF RECOMMENDS, BUT TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. WE'RE RECOMMENDING TWO ADDITIONAL MAPS. ONE WOULD BE [INAUDIBLE] WOULD BE THE THREE A, AND THE SECOND MAP WOULD BE THE ONE THAT YOU JUST MOTION. SO THREE, DOES THREE A TAKE OUT SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15? NO WHAT'S RECOMMEND IS ONE IS OPTION ONE MAP, WHICH IS ALL 18 SITES THAT WOULD BE ONE MAP. THE SECOND MAP WOULD BE OPTION ONE WITH THREE A, WHICH IS THE INCREASE IN THE SHOP'S DENSITY. THE THIRD MAP WOULD BE OPTION ONE MINUS SITES THREE, EIGHT AND 15. AND WHAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING IS AN INCREASE IN THE DENSITIES AT THE TRANSIT STATIONS. [INAUDIBLE] DIRECTOR MURPHY THE SECOND MAP FAILED ON A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. THAT WAS THE ONE THAT INCLUDED THE SHOPS. THAT WAS THE A MOTION, WHICH WAS THE ONE INCLUDING THE SHOPS, AND THAT FAILED. THE COMBINATION. YES. THE LAST MOTION FAILED, AND IT INCLUDED TWO MAPS. RIGHT. SO I THINK WHAT THE IDEA WAS IS LOOKING AT INSTEAD OF GROUPING THEM ALL IN ONE ACTION. ALL THREE MAPS LOOKING AT VOTING ON EACH MAP INDIVIDUALLY. OK, THEN I'LL STOP BEGIN WITH THE MOTION OF OPTION ONE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'LL BEGIN. I'M SORRY THERE'S ALREADY A MOTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU MADE A MOTION FOR OPTION ONE LESS THREE, EIGHT AND 15 PLUS INCREASING DENSITIES OF TRANSIT STOPS THAT WAS SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US IN LINE MR. BREWER. CALL THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. NO. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. AYE. MAYOR HALL. NO. OK, NOW I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, SEE IF WE CAN'T GET US MOVING, AND I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS KIND OF ITEM BY ITEM AS OPPOSED TO TRYING GROUP IT ALL. AND SO MY MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE FIRST OPTION, WHICH IS ALL 18 SITES. AND WHAT I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO DO HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG ISSUE FOR THE CITY OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A DOLLAR AMOUNT HERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS NINETY FIVE THOUSAND FOR EACH ADDITIONAL MAP AND I DON'T WANT TO BE HAMSTRUNG BY WHAT I THINK IS A, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, UNREASONABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO TAKE SOME MORE OPTIONS FORWARD. SO MY FIRST MOTION IS GOING TO BE OPTION ONE, WHICH IS A STUDY OF ALL 18 LOCATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. CALL THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. AYE. MAYOR HALL. AYE. GO AHEAD, MR. NORBY. I WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION FOR A SECOND MAP REALIZING THAT'S GOING TO COST SOME DOLLARS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK THAT UP AS WELL. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR A MAP THAT REMOVES ITEM THREE. WELL, BEFORE I MAKE THAT MOTION, LET ME ASK A QUESTION WHAT IS THE NUMBER ON SITE EIGHT THAT WE WOULD LOSE IF WE WITHDRAW THAT? SITE EIGHT WE WOULD LOSE ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX MODERATE INCOME UNITS. OK, THAT'S A BIG UNIT. AND WHAT QUADRANT IS THAT IN? SOUTHWEST. SOUTHWEST AND I REALIZE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE MY MOTION AND I'M GOING TO TRY AND KEEP THE NUMBERS PRETTY RELATIVE IS THAT WE LOOK AT A SECOND MAP THAT REMOVES SITE THREE AND SITE 15 AND THEN INCREASES THE DENSITY AT THE POINSETTIA COSTER STATION LOCATION ONLY. [03:00:02] AND I BELIEVE WHAT THAT DOES IS REMOVE ABOUT 60 AND ADDS ABOUT SIXTY SIX. SO THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY EQUAL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT ON THE NUMBERS. YES, THAT IS APPROXIMATELY CORRECT. OK, THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. AND LET'S JUST SEE WHERE IT GOES IS TO DO A SECOND MAP OF THREE REMOVAL OF THREE 15 AND ADDING INCREASED DENSITY TO THE POINSETTIA STATION ONLY. SECOND. CALL THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. NO. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. NO. MAYOR HALL. AYE. MOTION FAILS THREE TWO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE TO TAKE IT, MR. NORBY, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TAKE A SHOT AT THE NEXT ONE? OK. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE ALL MY COLLEAGUES IN THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TOGETHER, I THINK WE'RE DOING SO COLLABORATIVELY AND LISTENING TO EACH OTHER IN GOOD SPIRITS, AND SO I'LL TAKE ONE MORE AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES. I'D LIKE THE SECOND MAP AND THE REQUIRED EXPENDITURE THAT GOES WITH THAT, THAT REMOVES ITEM THREE. I'M SORRY THAT REMOVES SITE THREE, SITE 15 AND SITE EIGHT AND INCREASES THE DENSITY AT BOTH COSTER STATIONS. SECOND. CALL THE QUESTION. COUNCILMAN NORBY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. OH I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT SAW COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL STAND UP FOR DISCUSSION. YES, I JUST I JUST WANTED SOMEBODY TO CLARIFY THE MOTION, PLEASE. THANK YOU. AS THE MAKER, I'LL TRY AND CLARIFY THAT WE WOULD BE REMOVING SITES THREE, 15 AND EIGHT. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ADDING INCREASED DENSITIES AT BOTH THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE TRAIN STATION AND AT THE POINSETTIA TRAIN STATION. OK. CALL THE QUESTION. OK, GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. AYE. MAYOR HALL. AYE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ARE WE GOOD THERE? I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THEM. YOU NEED THE OTHER THREE MR. BLACKBURN. YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OTHER TWO, AND I'LL MOVE ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION CONTAINED IN BULLET POINT NUMBER THREE OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. AND THAT'S THE CONTRACT WITH RINCON. AND WE NEED ITEM FOUR. WE DO THOSE TOGETHER? AND YOU JUST NEED TO ITEM FOUR PARAGRAPH TWO FOR THE STUDY OF TWO ALTERNATIVES. IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS IT JUST OK TWO. SO IT WOULD BE ONE ALTERNATE ONE ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVE. ONE ADDITIONAL. YES. OK, THANK YOU. MY MOTION WILL ADD WILL INCLUDE THE RESOLUTION TO ADD THE FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL MAP. SECOND. CALL THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. AYE. MAYOR HALL. AYE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR A JOB VERY WELL DONE. I KNOW THIS WE'RE STILL IN THE VERY BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS, BUT YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND ALSO MS. ACOSTA. YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP, PLEASE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CHECK IN AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE JUST VOTED NOT TO PURSUE THE INCREASE OF THE DENSITY AT THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD. OK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH THE VOTES, AND I FELT LIKE SOME PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMENTS WERE OK WITH INCREASING THE DENSITY AT THE SHOPS AT CARLSBAD. BUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAD THE VOTES, WE VOTED AGAINST THAT, SO I WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WHAT THEY VOTED ON AND THAT THEY VOTE VOTED NOT TO PURSUE THAT MAP. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY DOUBTS OR DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT, NOW'S THE TIME TO SAY SOMETHING. MR. BLACKBURN DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? MS. ACOSTA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I DID UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS DOING, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE TO GET THINGS DONE, AND THAT WAS WHERE MY COMPROMISE LANDED. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF. [03:05:01] YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SO PATIENT AND DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB OF HOLDING OUR HANDS THROUGH THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OK, FINAL COMMENTS. [COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS] MS. ACOSTA, LET'S START WITH YOU. OH, GREAT. MY MIND'S STILL ON THAT LAST MOTION. OK, LET ME THINK JUST REALLY BRIEFLY JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK REPORT. ON MONDAY, I ATTENDED THE JUST YESTERDAY I ATTENDED THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES SAN DIEGO COUNTY DIVISION MEETING ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE, WHO'S THE VICE CHAIR OF THE DIVISION, COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, AND WE HAD AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. WE HEARD FROM THE THE PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, AND WE HEARD ABOUT SOME LEGISLATION. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SB NINE AND SOME OF THE PRESSURES FROM SACRAMENTO, LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE PUSHING FORWARD. AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AT THE FULL COUNCIL WITH SOME PROPOSALS FOR THAT. SO WE HAD A GREAT MEETING. I ALSO ATTENDED THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMITTEE AND I REPORTED OUT ABOUT THAT. WE BASICALLY SET OUR PRIORITIES FOR THE YEAR AS A AS A POLICY COMMITTEE OF THE LEAGUE. THERE'S PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW 60 PEOPLE ON THAT POLICY COMMITTEE. SO THAT WAS REALLY GREAT AND WE'VE GOT AN A NCTD MEETING THIS THURSDAY. SO THAT'LL THAT'LL BE REALLY GREAT. AND I'LL REPORT OUT AFTER THAT MEETING AND LET YOU KNOW HOW THINGS WENT THERE. SO I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A WONDERFUL VALENTINE'S, AND LOOK FORWARD TO LOOK FORWARD TO OUR NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. THANK YOU MAYOR JUST A FEW REMARKS, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO AGAIN KIND OF THANK STAFF FOR A GREAT, GREAT WORK AND ALSO THIS COUNCIL FOR THEIR PREVIOUS VOTES AND THEIR WORK TONIGHT AND WISH A FUTURE COUNCIL NEXT YEAR MUCH SUCCESS IN ACCOMPLISHING OUR OBLIGATION UNDER STATE LAW TO PROVIDE OUR RHNA NUMBERS AND OUR FAIR SHARE OF HOUSING. AND I REALLY I REALLY WISH THAT COUNCIL GOOD LUCK IN ACCOMPLISHING THAT MISSION. I BELIEVE IT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT VOTE TO DO AND THAT WE SHOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT. I WANT TO THANK OUR REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE THAT THAT IS AN INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMITTEE OF CARLSBAD CITIZENS, AND I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO BE WRAPPING UP HERE WITH ONE MORE MEETING AND THEN SELECTING A MAP, HOPEFULLY. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM A QUICK SHOUT OUT AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE IN GETTING US DOWN TO THREE OR FOUR MAPS AND THEN ULTIMATELY SELECTING A MAP THAT WILL BECOME OUR NEW DISTRICT. SO I WANT TO THANK THEM. AND LASTLY, I'M PROUD OF ALL OF OUR OLYMPIANS. I'M REALLY PROUD OF THOSE WHO CALLED CARLSBAD HOME AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER AND THOSE WHO CURRENTLY CALL CARLSBAD HOME. AND I WANT TO JUST GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO KAILLIE HUMPHRIES, WHO WAS MONO BOB GOLD MEDAL WINNER AND CARLSBAD RESIDENT AND NEW AMERICAN CITIZEN NEWISH AMERICAN CITIZEN. I JUST WANT TO GIVE HER A SHOUT OUT AND SAY BRAVO, WELL DONE AND WAY TO REPRESENT AND PUSH HARD TO GET WOMEN'S BOBSLEDDING ON AN EQUAL FOOTING WITH MEN'S BOBSLEDDING. OK, DR. BHAT-PATEL. YEAH, THANK YOU, AND THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I THINK THAT WAS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THAT RIGHT AFTER THE SUPER BOWL, IT CAME UP AND IT WAS COOL TO WATCH THAT AND SEE A CARLSBAD RESIDENT WIN. SO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND YES, I THIS WEEK DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA WILL BE STEPPING IN FOR ME FOR NCTD. I HAVE MY SON'S FIRST BIRTHDAY, SO I DID ASK HER TO STEP IN, SO SHE'LL BE REPORTING OUT FOR THAT. AND THEN I DO HAVE OFFICE HOURS TOMORROW. SO FOR THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL IN. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THOSE ARE MOST WEDNESDAYS FROM 3 TO 4:30, JUST AS A REMINDER. AND THEN I, AS A PART OF NCTD IS A REPRESENTATIVE BUT CAN ALSO REPORT OUT IN GENERAL WILL BE ATTENDING THE SANDAG TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE ON FRIDAY AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. SO THANK YOU. MR. BLACKBURN. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE FAIR ABOUT OUR CARLSBAD RESIDENTS GOING TO THE OLYMPICS AND PERFORMING WELL, I THINK SHAUN WHITE CAME IN FOURTH, WHICH IS STILL AN AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENT, ESPECIALLY SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN DOING IT FOR AS MANY YEARS AS HE HAS. SO THANK YOU TO HIM. BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANKS TO THE COUNCIL, OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT WAS VERY DIFFICULT AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. BUT THERE WERE SOME COMPROMISES, SOME GOOD DECISIONS, A LOT OF STAFF GUIDANCE. AND I THINK AS A RESULT OF THAT, I THINK WE MADE A VERY GOOD DECISION THAT WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH. MR. NORBY I KNOW YOU, YOU TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF PAIN AND MADE SOME COMPROMISE. [03:10:06] SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I'M SO PROUD AND SO EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH THIS COUNCIL. WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE, BUT WE SURE DO FIND COMMON GROUND AND I JUST SO MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU MR. BLACKBURN, AND JUST THIS WAS THE EASY, EASY DECISION IT'S THE NEXT ONE, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST CHALLENGING WHEN WE GET ALL THAT INFORMATION BACK. BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES THE FACT THAT WE ARE DOING SO WELL AT THE OLYMPICS. I WOULD HOPE THAT WE AS A CITY WOULD DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR ALL OF THEM THAT ARE PARTICIPATING THERE. SO I WOULD ASK STAFF, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT AND BRING BACK TO US THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE BOTH BOTH THOSE INDIVIDUALS? SO, MR. PATNOE. SINCE WE'RE GOING BACK LIVE, I THINK IT WOULD BE FUN TO INVITE THEM TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AND BRING THEIR MEDAL WITH THEM. AND I THINK SEAN HAS A HANDFUL OF MEDALS TO BRING. YEAH. WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THEM. IT'S GOING TO BE A FEW WEEKS TILL THEY'RE ALL BACK IN TOWN, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO WHAT WE CAN TO FIND A WAY TO APPROPRIATELY RECOGNIZE ALL OF OUR ATHLETES FROM CARLSBAD. SO I THINK IT'S A SUGGESTION THAT I THINK WE WERE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT INTERNALLY ALREADY, AND SO WE'LL WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING APPROPRIATE MOVING FORWARD. OK, THANK YOU, MR. PATNOE. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO REPORT EXCEPT TO ECHO MR. BLACKBURN AND HIS COMMENTS. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, EVERYONE. WITH THAT, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER MR. [CITY MANAGER COMMENTS] PATNOE, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR GUIDANCE THIS EVENING. I THINK YOU HELPED A GREAT DEAL AND I THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR HER HELP TONIGHT AS WELL. THANK YOU. MS. BREWER. NOTHING, THANK YOU. CITY CLERK. NOTHING THANK YOU. WELL, WITH THAT, WE STAND ADJOURNED. JOB WELL DONE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.