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GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 16, 2022 MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION, MS. FLORES, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE ROLL? MR. LUNA HERE.
MR. MERZ HERE, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER STINE. THANK YOU.
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NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 1ST, 2021 MEETING.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING? I'M NOT SEEING ANY.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 1, 2021, MEETING.
SO MOVE. COMMISSIONER STINE MAKES THE MOTION.
SECOND. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO TAKES THE SECOND.
ALL RIGHTY. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY WAS ABSENT FOR THAT MEETING.
AND COMMISSIONER LUNA, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
A MOTION PASSES 5 WITH TWO ABSTENTIONS.
FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA EXECUTIVE ORDER N 2920 AND IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. WE'RE TEMPORARILY TAKING ACTION TO PREVENT THE MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF COVID 19 PANDEMIC AND HOLDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS ONLINE ONLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CAN BE WATCHED VIA LIVE STREAM AT THE CITY WEBSITE.
IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY, YOU MAY VISIT THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND AND FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS THEREOF.
WHEN EMAILING COMMENTS, PLEASE SEND TO THE PLANNING DIVISION AND IDENTIFY THE SUBJECT LINE ITEM AND THE ITEM IN WHICH YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON.
ALL ITEMS RECEIVED WILL BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL NOT BE READ OUT LOUD.
THESE PROCEDURES WILL REMAIN IN PLACE DURING THE PERIOD IN WHICH THE STATE AND LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS HAVE IMPOSED OR RECOMMENDED SOCIAL DISTANCING MEASURES.
THE COMMISSION SETS ASIDE THIS TIME UP TO 15 MINUTES TO ACCEPT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THAT IS WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IS PROVIDED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION.
COMMENTATORS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES EACH UNLESS THE CHAIR CHANGES THAT TIME.
CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT, NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO COMMENT LISTED ON THE AGENDA ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE. MS. FLORES, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY.
IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAS CONCLUDED.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS RAISED, SO I DO NOT HAVE ANY NON AGENDA PUBLIC SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OK, WE'LL PROCEED ON WITH THE PROCEDURE FOR THE COMMISSION WILL BE AS FOLLOWS THIS
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EVENING. PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN.STAFF WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
PLANNING COMMISSION MAY ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANTS WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND RESPOND TO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. THEY WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.
THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD WILL THEN BE OPENED.
A TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES IS ALLOTTED TO EACH COMMENT RECEIVED.
AFTER ALL THOSE WANTING TO SPEAK HAVE DONE SO THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD WILL BE CLOSED.
APPLICANT AND STAFF WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ISSUES OR QUESTIONS RAISED.
THE COMMISSIONERS WILL THEN DISCUSS THE ITEM AND THEN VOTE ON IT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL THEN BE CLOSED.
CERTAIN PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS ARE FINAL, BUT MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU CAN FIND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURES ON THE AGENDA.
WITH THAT, I'LL NOW GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR AGENDAS, AND THAT WILL BE ITEM NUMBER ONE.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE EX PARTE ON ITEM NUMBER ONE? MR.
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MERZ. YES, I SAW ON THE LINCOLN PROPERTY.YEAH, I DROVE, I VISITED THE PROPERTY.
[INAUDIBLE] ITEM NUMBER ONE IS LOS [INAUDIBLE].
OH [INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY, I GOT IN REVERSE ORDER.
YES, I DID VISIT THE PROPERTY.
I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY, VISITED.
OK, OTHER EX PARTEE, COMMISSIONER STINE.
OK? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I DROVE BY THE SITE, STOPPED AND EXITED MY VEHICLE.
THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE PROPERTY WALKED OUT TO THE STREET, ASKED IF HE COULD BE OF ANY ASSISTANCE TO ME.
I INDICATED THAT I WAS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND JUST REVIEWING THE SITE.
THAT WAS THE ONLY DISCUSSION THAT WAS THAT OCCURRED AT THAT MEETING.
OK. WITH THAT MR. NEU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, SO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR A PROJECT TITLED THE BOX RESIDENTS.
AND HERE TO MAKE THE STAFF PRESENTATION IS ASSOCIATE PLANNER ESTEBAN DEANNA.
THANK YOU, MR. NEU, AND GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'LL BE SHARING MY SCREEN.
YEAH, LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN ALL SEE THE SCREEN.
OK? AS MR. NEU SAID, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR THE BOX RESIDENTS. THE SUBJECT PROJECT IS LOCATED AT FIVE THREE EIGHT ZERO LOS ROBLES DRIVE.
THE SITE IS LOCATED NEAR THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LOS ROBLES DRIVE AND CEREZO DRIVE.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND EAST OF CARLSBAD BOULEVARD. THE PROJECT IS NOT LOCATED IN THE APPEALABLE JURISDICTION OF THE COASTAL ZONE.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES A FIRST AND SECOND STORY EDITION AND REMODELED TO THE EXISTING ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THE ADDITIONS TO THE HOME AND ATTACHED GARAGE WILL RESULT IN A 3,132 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A 757 SQUARE FOOT ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE EXISTING SIX HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND WILL REMAIN IN ITS PRESENT LOCATION AND CONFIGURATION.
THE REMODELED RESIDENCE WILL BE TWO STORIES WITH A PITCHED ROOF, ELEMENTS AND THE ROOFTOP DECK. THE WEST ELEVATION SHOWS THE STRUCTURE ALONG LOS ROBLES DRIVE.
THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE IS CONTEMPORARY AND TYPICAL OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMUNITIES.
BUILDING MATERIALS USED FOR THE EXTERIOR ARE A COMBINATION OF STUCCO, WOOD SIDING AND ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF.
THIS RENDERING SHOWS THE SOUTH AND EAST ELEVATIONS OF THE STRUCTURE, THE ACCESS STAIRS TO THE ROOFTOP DECK ARE SEEN ABOVE THE FIRST STORY AND THE EXISTING ADU IS THE ONE STORY PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE TO THE RIGHT OF THE IMAGE.
THE NORTH ELEVATION SHOWS THE HOUSE A SCENE FROM THE NORTH SIDE YARD.
THE EXISTING ADU IS SEEN TO THE LEFT OF THE IMAGE.
THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCES, STANDARDS AND POLICIES, AND THESE INCLUDE THE R-4 RESIDENTIAL GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION, THE R-1 ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE, THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR THE MELLO TWO SEGMENT OF THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AND THE COASTAL RESOURCES PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE, AS WELL AS THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 7436 APPROVING THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED THEREIN. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OK, WITH COMMISSIONERS, ANY CLARIFYING BRIEF QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. THANK YOU, CHAIR MEENES.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, AND BECAUSE THIS IS A FAIRLY ROUTINE PROJECT IN THE COASTAL AREA, I WAS WONDERING IF MR. DANA COULD PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION REGARDING WHY THIS IS IN FRONT OF US.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A 50 PERCENT RULE OF EXISTING AND ALSO THRESHOLD FOR COST OF
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CONSTRUCTION. SO COULD YOU CLARIFY? SURE. SO THIS PROJECT REMOVES MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS, WHICH REQUIRES A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IN THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE COASTAL ZONE. SO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A MINOR COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THE PROJECT NEEDS TO STAY UNDER THE $60000 BUILDING VALUATION THRESHOLD.SO THIS PROJECT EXCEEDS THAT THRESHOLD AND THEREFORE A MINOR COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, DOES NOT IS NOT APPLICABLE, AND THEREFORE A REGULAR COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS REQUIRED, WHICH IS APPROVED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER BRIEF QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? MS. FLORES IS THE APPLICANT WITH US THIS EVENING? YES. OK.
IS THE APPLICANT WANT TO GIVE A PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT'S NAME IS? BELIEVE FOR THIS ONE, ESTEBAN, IT'S A MR. CARLOS, CORRECT. NO, IT WOULD BE MS. DARCY BOX. OH, I DON'T SEE THAT THEY ARE.
LET'S SEE. I DON'T SEE THAT THEY HAVE JOINED.
OK. OK, SO NO, NO PRESENTATION THEN BY THE APPLICANT WILL NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY. MS. FLORES.
YES. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR.
OH, SORRY, OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.
NOW YOU WILL BE MUTED, ONE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY THAT HAS RAISED THEIR HAND TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
OKAY, THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THEN.
THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT ALL? NOTHING. OK.
DISCUSSION BY COUNT, BY THE COMMISSION, IN REGARD TO THIS ITEM.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. THANK YOU.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 1960.
SO DOES THAT QUALIFY FOR A HISTORIC PRESERVATION REPORT AND IS WAS THERE ONE CONDUCTED ON THIS PROPERTY? AND SO THIS APPLICATION CAME IN AT A TIME WHEN WE HAD A STAFF MEMBER WHO WAS A QUALIFIED ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN.
AND AT THAT TIME OF SUBMITTAL, I DISCUSSED THE PROJECT AND THE CURRENT STRUCTURE WITH THE STAFF MEMBER, AND SHE DID NOT DEEM IT TO BE TO NECESSITATE A HISTORICAL RESOURCES REPORT.
THAT'S CORRECT. OK, THANK YOU.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF IN REGARD TO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FRONTING ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY REGARDING SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS OR THAT NATURE MR. DANNA, OR POSSIBLY WE HAVE JASON.
SO I WAS GOING TO REVIEW THE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS, BUT YES, THERE WOULD BE IF THEY'RE AT THE FRONT EDGE ISN'T MEETING STANDARDS, THEN THERE WOULD BE EITHER REQUIREMENT TO ENTER IN A FUTURE AGREEMENT OR TO PUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN.
AND THAT CAN BE DETERMINED ALSO AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE WHEN WE GET EVALUATION OF THE PROJECT. OKAY.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS OR CURBS, GUTTERS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE FRONTING THE PROPERTY. SO MY QUESTION THEN IS WOULD IT BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO DO SO WITH THIS PROJECT? OR WOULD THAT BE WAIVED AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME UNTIL THE ENTIRE STREET WAS CONDUCTED IN
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SOME FASHION OR FORM, EITHER BY THE CITY OR SOME OTHER? YEAH. SO TYPICALLY, IF THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WHOLE STREET, WE DON'T USUALLY REQUIRE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY LOT OR PROPERTY TO PUT IN AN ISLAND OF OF IMPROVEMENTS.WHAT WE'LL DO IS THEY'LL ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT WAIVE, BUT IT'S AN AGREEMENT LATER ON WHEN THE WHEN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE THAT THEY WILL CONTRIBUTE MONEY OR MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT TIME. GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IN CASE CNN, CAN I HAVE A MOTION IN REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER ONE? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION, THEN MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE BOX RESIDENTS.
CDP 20200010, APPROVAL OF THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
COMMISSIONER STINE SECOND'S IT.
THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN-ZERO.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH THAT EX PARTEE IN REGARD TO
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COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER MERZ.COMMISSIONER STINE, I ALSO VISITED THE PROPERTY, GOT OUT OF MY CAR AND WALKED AROUND.
OK, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS KAMENJARIN.
OK, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I ALSO VISITED THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
OK, WITH THAT MR. NEU. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER TWO? YES. THANK YOU, MR. EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T SEE THE LITTLE THE LITTLE HAND OF MS. LAFFERTY. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
THANK YOU, CHAIR STINE UH CHAIR.
THING THAT I DID WAS REVIEW THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REPORT AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT AND ALSO I DID LOOK AT THE 1990 HISTORIC PRESERVATION REPORT TO SEE IF THIS PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY IN THAT ORIGINAL REPORT. AND IT WAS SO IT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL HISTORIC INVENTORY FROM THE 1990 HISTORIC INVENTORY. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESEARCH.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. EXCELLENT.
MR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. NEW. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO LET ME INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER TWO.
IT'S ALSO A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
THIS IS FOR A PROJECT TITLED THE VALLEY RESIDENTS AND ASSOCIATE PLANNER ESTEBAN DANNA IS ALSO HERE FOR THIS STAFF PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, MR. YOU AND I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN.
ALL RIGHT, CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE PRESENTATION SCREEN? YES, YES.
EXCELLENT. OK, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION FOR RESIDENTS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THREE TWO FIVE NINE LINCOLN ST..
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF BEACON STREET BETWEEN PINE AVENUE TO THE NORTH AND WALNUT AVENUE TO THE SOUTH.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE AND EAST OF CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AND WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THE SITE IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE APPEALABLE JURISDICTION OF THE COASTAL ZONE.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW THREE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND SEVEN SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND AN ATTACHED FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE. SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS DIRECT ENTRY AND THE DRIVEWAY FACING LINCOLN STREET ACCESS TO THE AIDOO IS THROUGH A STAIRCASE THAT WILL BE BUILT ALONG
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THE NORTH SIDE YARD.THE FRONT ELEVATION SHOWN HERE AS THE COLORED TOP LEFT IMAGE SHOWS THE VIEW OF THE STRUCTURE ALONG LINCOLN STREET.
THE REAR ELEVATION ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE SCREEN SHOWS THE STRUCTURE A SCENE FROM THE BACKYARD LOOKING TOWARDS THE EAST.
THE NEW RESIDENCE WILL BE TWO STORIES WITH A COMBINATION OF FLAT AND PITCHED ROOF ELEMENTS. AT THE NORTH ELEVATION SHOWN AS THE TOP COLORED IMAGE SHOWS, THE ACCESS STAIRS TO THE ADU, THE BOTTOM IMAGE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
THE BUILDING MATERIALS USED FOR THE EXTERIOR ARE A COMBINATION OF STUCCO, WOOD SIDING AND GLASS GUARDRAILS, SO THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCES, STANDARDS AND POLICIES WHICH INCLUDE THE ART TWENTY THREE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATION, THE R-3 MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE AND THE BEACH AREA OVERLAY ZONE.
THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR THE MOTU SEGMENT OF THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AND THE COASTAL RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE, AS WELL AS THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 7437 APPROVING THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED THEREIN.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. DANNA. COMMISSIONERS, ANY BRIEF QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? OK, I'M SEEING OH, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
THANK YOU, MR. DANNA, IS THIS? IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A PITCHED ROOF BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN YET A COMBINATION PITCHED ROOF AND FLAT ROOF? YES. SO IS THAT ALLOWED? THAT IS ALLOWED, THE ONLY STANDARD IS RELATED TO HEIGHT, SO A PITCHED ROOF HAS A DIFFERENT HEIGHT MAXIMUM THAN A FLAT ROOF.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE PITCHED ROOF ELEMENT WILL HAVE A MAX OF 30 FEET, AND THE FLAT ROOF ELEMENT WILL HAVE A MAX OF 24 FOUR FEET, AND THIS PROJECT COMPLIES WITH BOTH OF THOSE HEIGHTS. THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. THANK YOU, THE HISTORIC REPORT DID LIST THIS PROPERTY, THE EXISTING HOME IN VOLUME THREE OF THE 1990 HISTORIC INVENTORY HAS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SEEING THIS PROPOSAL FOR THIS NEW PROPERTY.
NO, THEY HAVE NOT. BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED IN THE REPORT FROM 1990.
SHOULD IT GO TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION? AND AT THIS POINT, THE CITY CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REVIEW OF PROJECTS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CITY PLANNER NEU OR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY CAMP WANT TO ADD TO THAT.
I BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY WAS DEEMED AS A POTENTIAL HISTORICAL PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD WARRANT HISTORICAL STUDY PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT.
THE HISTORICAL STUDY THAT WAS SUBMITTED DID NOT REVEAL THAT IT WAS INDEED A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE.
YOU KNOW. YOU'RE STILL MUTED, MR. KEMP. HOW BOUT THERE? WE'RE GOOD, THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, I'M NOT AWARE OF A REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW THAT IT GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED IN THE 1990 REPORT.
I'M TAKING A QUICK PEEK AT THE TITLE TWENTY TWO RIGHT NOW, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CODE.
AND IF I SEE THAT, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE ITEM IS OVER.
OKAY, THANK YOU MR. KEMP. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS ALTHOUGH THE HISTORIC REPORT DID ACTUALLY REFERENCE THIS NOTATION IN THE 1990 REPORT, AND THEY WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH THE REPORT WAS VERY, VERY WELL DONE, I HAVE TO APPLAUD THE PEOPLE WHO
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COMMISSIONED THIS REPORT.IT'S THE BEST ONE I'VE SEEN SO FAR BECAUSE IT IS VERY THOROUGH, AND IT DID SPECIFICALLY STATE THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS AND THE CARLSBAD HISTORIC PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND HELPFUL.
THE THING THAT I'M OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED WITH IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION ISN'T INVOLVED AND IT'S NINETEEN TWENTY FOUR HOUSE, SO IT'S PART OF THAT ORIGINAL IDEAL OF DESIGNATION, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS NOT SO MUCH THAT EVEN THERE WAS AN ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THIS LITTLE BUNGALOW CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME, BUT THE REPORT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT PART OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY CHARACTER OF CARLSBAD.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEAR THAT THIS KEEPS COMING UP AS A CONCERN TO OUR CITIZENS THAT WE'RE LOSING OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
EVEN THOUGH PROBABLY IT HAS BEEN RENOVATED SEVERAL TIMES AND MAY NOT TO THE AVERAGE PERSON LOOK HISTORIC FROM NINETEEN TWENTY FOUR AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW IT'S THE ONLY SINGLE STORY THING AROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEFT, IT DOES CAUSE A CONCERN, AND THE NEIGHBORS I KNOW ARE SPEAKING OUT ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT ACTUALLY TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR A HISTORIC, HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE REPORTS.
IS IT JUST THE AGE? AND TYPICALLY, IT'S, YES, JUST THE AGE, I BELIEVE IT'S 45 YEARS OF AGE, SOMETIMES WE'LL REQUIRE REPORTS FOR NEWER STRUCTURES IF WE SOMEHOW KNOW THAT THERE MAY BE SOME SIGNIFICANCE OF HISTORICAL OR CULTURAL RESOURCE THERE.
THE CUTOFF IS 45 YEARS, OK, AND MY SECOND FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
SO THE HISTORIC REPORTS AND THE FINDINGS THEREIN ARE PART OF THE CEQA DETERMINATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS REALLY A QUESTION FOR MR. KEMP. CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, AS I'M READING THE CODE HERE, I'M SORRY, I SHOULD TRY TO SPECIFY WHO I'M ASKING BEFORE I ASK THE QUESTION.
YEAH. THE QUESTION IS, IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION FINDING IN THE REPORT PART OF THE CEQA DETERMINATION THAT IS LOOKED AT AS PART OF CEQA YEAH.
OK. AND THEN WE HAVE A SEPARATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CODE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE DESIGNATION OF PROPERTIES TO BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC BY THE CITY.
AND THERE HAS BEEN A LONG RUNNING DEBATE AS TO WHETHER WE HAVE AN ACTUAL DESIGNATION OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC ONES LIKE KOREA RANCH AND THE MAGEE HOUSE AND THOSE THINGS.
BUT THERE CAME A TIME WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY REJECTED THE LIST AND PUT IT UP AS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BECOME ON THE LIST.
SO RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SEEING COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY ANY REQUIREMENT THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE COME TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BECAUSE IT WAS ON A LIST.
UNDERSTOOD. OK, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, TOO, SO COMMISSIONER LUNA.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MORE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION, BUT SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING AND NOT SPECIFICALLY STAFF, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND THROW THIS IN HERE. SO IF IT DID GO TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION, WHAT WOULD THE EXPECTATION BE FROM THIS COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD GET BACK FROM THE HISTORIC COMMISSION? MR. KEMP. WELL, I GUESS YOU CAN ASK THAT TO COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS SHE'S OUR HER REPRESENTATIVE TO THAT COMMISSION, BUT I SUPPOSE WHAT THEY WOULD DO WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAD A HISTORIC STATUS OR NOT, GIVEN THE CRITERIA I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY'D BE SETTING UP.
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COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. I THINK THERE IS CRITERIA SET UP, AND IT IS IN THIS ACTUAL HISTORIC REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY, SO.SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO DEVELOP, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALSO IT'S ONE OF THE FEW THINGS LEFT ON LINCOLN THAT'S ACTUALLY ON A LIST SOMEWHERE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN REPEALED AT ONE POINT, BUT THE LIST STILL EXISTS, SO IT REALLY JUST IT'S WHAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN AT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT TO UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS VALUABLE TO MAINTAIN SOMEHOW AND IF THE DEVELOPER COULD ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND CREATE THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW SO THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN.
BUT AT THIS POINT, THERE ISN'T THAT CROSSOVER YET.
SO AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A START OF A LIST TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF REVIEWS.
RIGHT AND CITY PLANNER, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY MEMORY OF THE THE LIST WAS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD DETERMINED THAT LETS A PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE ON A HISTORIC LIST.
THEY WOULD NOT PUT THEM ON A LIST AT THIS TIME FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
IT IS NATIONALLY A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
IT'S NOT JUST LOCAL, SO IT'S ALL VOLUNTARY, ALWAYS.
SO THAT'S THE I GUESS THAT'S THE RUB, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IS THAT.
BUT BUT IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IF YOU DO CONSIDER HAVING A HISTORIC PROPERTY OR WANTING TO GET HISTORIC PROPERTY AND YOU WANT TO PRESERVE IT, THERE ARE MECHANISMS TO BE ABLE TO HELP INCENTIVIZE THAT SO PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE.
CORRECT. WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER COULD USE A PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT TO KEEP THE HOUSE PRESERVED. THAT'S THE HOPE.
BUT THIS ONCE AGAIN WOULD BE A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN HERE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER YET, SO MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION WE CAN ASK.
SO FOLLOW ALONG WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY AND MR. KEMP SAID THEN.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT WE THERE SINCE THE PROGRAM IS VOLUNTARY, THE OWNER HAS PUT FORTH THE THE APPLICATION TO DO THIS WORK OF DEMOLISHING THE HOUSE.
WE THEREFORE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY TYPE OF FINDING THAT IT SHOULD BE PRESERVED BASED ON THOSE FACTS.
WELL, WE COMMISSIONED A REPORT UNDER CEQA FOR HISTORIC PURPOSES TO SEE IF THE PROPERTY HAS SOME HISTORIC CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE WORTH SAVING, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT IT FROM A CEQA POINT OF VIEW THAT YOU HAVE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECT LIKE ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECT UNDER CEQA WORTH PRESERVING.
THOUGH NOT EVERYTHING, OF COURSE, HE WAS PRESERVING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MITIGATION OF DAMAGE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT THAT.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE REPORT THAT MR. DANNA PRODUCED THAT THIS HOUSE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEET THOSE CRITERIA.
OK. AND BY THE VERY FACT THAT THE APPLICANT PUT INTO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE AND HASN'T VOLUNTEERED THEN WE WOULD THERE WOULD BE THEN SAFE TO SAY THERE WE WOULD MAKE A FINDING THAT TO DENY BASED ON HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, SINCE THEY DIDN'T VOLUNTEER THAT.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? WELL, YEAH.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT TO UNPACK THERE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT SINCE THE APPLICANT IS WANTED IN THE HOUSE THAT THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THAT WOULD SEEM THAT WAY. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A PRESUMPTION THAT YOU WOULD MAKE.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THAT WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE A REPORT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU REGARDING HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO MAKE ONE OF THOSE FINDINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
YES. ON THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION ISSUE, I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO COMMISSIONERS LAFFERTY CONCERNS.
I HAPPEN TO HAVE MY ARM AT MY DESK AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE MY DESKTOP OPEN TO THE REPORT
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THAT STAFF PROVIDED US.AND I'M LOOKING AT THE FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS, AND THEY'RE VERY CLEAR THAT IT IS NOT HISTORICALLY OR ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.
THAT'S VERY SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT SAYS, AND THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE LISTED.
SO I'M A LITTLE TROUBLED BY SECOND GUESSING THAT ABSENT INDICATIONS THAT SOMETHING HAS CHANGED OR THE REPORT IS SHORT SIGHTED.
IT'S VERY MY MIND LOOK LIKE A THOROUGH REPORT WITH A CONCLUSION.
THERE'S NO HISTORICAL MISSION, SO TELL ME IF I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT PERHAPS SHOULD BE THE END OF THE STORY.
BUT THAT WAS MY SECOND POINT IN TALKING WITH COMMISSIONER MERZ, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE BEFORE IS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY HISTORIC PROPERTY OTHER THAN THE AGE.
MS. FLORES IS THE APPLICANT WITH US THIS EVENING? YES. OK.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
I'M AN ARCHITECT, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER IN CARLSBAD.
AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK THE STAFF PRESENTATION REALLY SPEAKS TO ALL THAT WE WANT TO SAY. IN FACT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK ON THIS.
AND ALTHOUGH WE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, MY CLIENT DOESN'T HAVE A DESIRE TO SAVE THE BUILDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, DUE TO A LOT OF EARLIER MODIFICATIONS AND.
I GUESS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, TERMITE DAMAGE, CRUMBLING FOUNDATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, SO WE WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, SO WE DID THE HISTORIC REPORT AND, YOU KNOW, THE FINDINGS WERE NEGATIVE.
AND SO, YEAH, BASICALLY I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK ON THIS.
THANK YOU, MR. CARLOS, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OK, I'M SEEING NONE.
ALL RIGHT. HELLO, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
THANK YOU, MR. CARLOS, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT AND THANK YOU FOR THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PROVIDED.
THE QUESTION, I GUESS, WOULD BE WAS THERE ANY EVER ANY CONVERSATION THAT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THIS HOME WOULD BE MAINTAINED WITH YOUR CLIENT? YEAH, YEAH. WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER THERE.
I THINK I THINK DURING CONCEPT DESIGN, WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE WORTH IT TO DO A REMODEL OR TO JUST START OVER.
AND HE HAD DONE SOME INDEPENDENT, I GUESS, INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY AND IT WAS JUST IN SUCH DISREPAIR.
YOU KNOW, THE FOUNDATIONS ARE PRIMARILY BEACH ROCK HELD TOGETHER WITH CONCRETE THAT'S LOST ALL OF ITS STRENGTH OVER THE YEARS.
AND IT'S CRUMBLING AND THE TERMITE DAMAGE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S I THINK I THINK THE ORIGINAL BOX IS THERE, BUT IT'S BEEN ADDED ON TO IN THE FRONT AND IT'S BEEN ADDED ONTO IN THE BACK AND THERE'S WATER INTRUSION ISSUES. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT JUST ADDED UP IN THE CONS CATEGORY THAT MADE HELPED HIM MAKE THE DECISION TO KIND OF START OVER.
SO AND AND SO IT WAS NEVER A CONVERSATION TO MOVE THIS TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR THEIR ANALYSIS, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU KNOW, WE ARE BASICALLY OUR APPROACH IS TO FOLLOW ALL THE REGULATIONS REQUIRED TO THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT [INAUDIBLE] PROGRAM.
SO WE JUST WANT WE JUST DEFER TO STAFF'S GUIDANCE.
THANK YOU, MR. CARLOS. ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT BY COMMISSIONERS? OK. MS. FLORES, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO
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UNMUTE. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.YOU WILL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
AND THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE IS TONY LEE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, EXCUSE ME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
HELLO, MY NAME IS TONY LEE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO STATE MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT AND URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE THE ADDITION OF AN AD. YOU PROVIDE A VARIETY OF BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, 80 YOUTHS ARE A GOOD OPTION FOR FAMILIES WITH SENIORS SO THEY CAN LIVE ON THE SAME PIECE OF LAND AS FAMILY MEMBERS OR FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE DEALING WITH A DIFFICULT LABOR MARKET. ADU'S CAN ALSO ENHANCE AFFORDABILITY FOR RENTERS AND CAN HELP LOWER INCOME HOMEOWNERS RENT A PLACE.
TO STAY WHILE PAYING THEIR MORTGAGE, ADU'S CAN ALSO GENTLY ADD DENSITY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I URGE THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF MORE RESIDENCES WITH ADU'S AND, IF POSSIBLE, TO EASE RESTRICTIONS TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONAL USE IN FUTURE PROJECTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
MS FLORES, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON I SEE.
EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
NO, OK, I DO HAVE AGAIN GOING BACK TO MY NOTES HERE IN REGARD TO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, AND I DID NOTICE ALSO ON LINCOLN, THE UTILITY POLES AND GOING WIRES, ET CETERA.
AND ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET, THERE ARE CURB AND GUTTERS IN FRONT OF OTHER PROPERTIES DOWN THE STREET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
EXACT. SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MR. GELDER COULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION IN REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY ON LINCOLN REGARDING PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE OTHER SIDEWALKS AND CURBS, GUTTERS, ET CETERA, ON CERTAIN PARCELS? YES, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO MEET STANDARDS, AND I WAS JUST SEEING REAL QUICK AGAIN, IF WE SPECIFICALLY LAID THAT OUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR THIS.
SO THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS, AND THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF THE GRADING PERMIT APPLICATION.
OK. WHAT ABOUT THE UTILITY POLE? GUIDEWIRES ET CETERA, IS ANY UNDERGROUNDING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? NO, UNDERGROUNDING REQUIREMENTS KICK IN IF THERE HAVE SIX HUNDRED FEET OF STREET IMPROVEMENT OF STREET FRONTAGE.
GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, I APPRECIATE THAT.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES, THANK YOU. MY VIEW THIS IS THE PRESENT BUILDING IS OLD BECAME CRUMBLING, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE APPLICANT SAYS IN MY OWN VISUAL.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A BUILDING THAT IS BADLY DECAYED, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER TO HAVE A BUILDING LIKE IT'S DESIGNED HERE.
LIKE THE DESIGN, IT SEEMS TO BE ATTRACTIVE IN TERMS OF COASTAL ISSUES.
I DON'T SEE ANY COASTAL ACCESS ISSUES.
THE SITE IS SEVERAL BLOCKS FROM THE BEACH IN THIS AREA.
THE BEACH HAS ABUNDANT RAMPS THAT TAKE YOU DOWN TO THE BEACH, SO THERE'S NO ACCESS LIMITATION HERE, NOR IS THERE ANY REAL LIMITATION HERE.
I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY VERY WELL FOUNDED.
HISTORIC ISSUES BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT THAT LOOKED INTO THIS AND IT CONCLUDES THAT THERE IS NOTHING OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, ABSENT EVIDENCE THAT SOMETHING WAS MISSED OR SOMETHING CHANGED, I HAVE TO GO WITH THAT.
AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT SAYING THAT, NO, THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT.
SO I THINK THAT HISTORICAL ISSUE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY COASTAL ISSUES.
I SEE THIS AS A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA.
SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
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MISSION MERZ. YEAH.I WOULD ALSO BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.
I THINK IT'S A NICE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE STREET.
IT'S THE ONLY THING IT'S INTERESTING, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT IN SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT THE ONE THING I DID NOTICE, IT WAS INTERESTING. I FIND ADU DIDN'T.
YOU DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO PUT A BALCONY, EITHER AT THE FRONT OR THE NORTH ELEVATION TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE SPACE, WHOEVER OCCUPIES THAT.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY ONLY THAT'S THAT'S A DESIGN THING THAT THE APPLICANT DIDN'T WANT TO DO OR NOT. THAT'S JUST THE ONLY THING THAT KIND OF.
I MEAN, IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO DO IT HOWEVER THEY WANT.
BUT I LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] NICELY DONE.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY? ALTHOUGH I LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED HOME, I AM CONCERNED THAT THIS ORIGINAL HOME DIDN'T GO TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO HAVE A REVIEW BECAUSE IT WAS ON THAT 1990 LIST.
AND SINCE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE EFFORT OF TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THE MILL'S ACT AND REEVALUATE OUR LISTS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR PRESERVATION OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND HISTORIC INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING. SO SO I.
FEEL THAT NO BUILDING BUILT IN NINETEEN, TWENTY FOUR.
THAT'S ONE HUNDRED YEARS OLD WOULD PROBABLY MEET THE STANDARDS OF TODAY.
SO AND PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE IN THE SAME TYPE OF PRISTINE CONDITION THAT NEWER BUILDINGS WOULD BE IN. BUT I DO FEEL THAT IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.
AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT APPROVING THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS? OK, I'M SEEING NONE.
ANY CLOSING OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS? OK. SEEING, NONE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER LUNA.
MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I'M GOING TO SAY NO TO MR. LUNA, YES, MR. KAMENJARIN. YES.
MERZ YES, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YES, AND COMMISSIONER STINE, YES, THANK YOU.
[3. CDP 2021-0037/HMP 2021-0004 (PUB 2020-0002) - VALLECITOS INTERCEPTOR SEWER MANHOLE REPAIR]
MR. NEU, ITEM NUMBER THREE.SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND A HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN PERMIT, AND THE PROJECT TITLE IS VALLECITOS INTERCEPTOR SEWER MANHOLE REPAIR.
AND HERE TO MAKE THE STAFF PRESENTATION IS ASSOCIATE PLANNER CHRISTINA BUSTAMANTE.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THE PROJECT THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THE VALLECITOS INTERCEPTOR MANHOLE REPAIRED. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS DONE ON EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES, AND SO THIS IS THE POST PERMIT AND A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP HERE.
HOLD ON A MINUTE. LET ME MOVE THIS SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LITTLE SQUARES ON THE SCREEN.
SO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS LOCATED SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD, WEST OF HIDDEN VALLEY. AND IF YOU NEEDED A LANDMARK, COSTCO IS VERY CLOSE TO THIS SITE.
THIS IS LOCATED EAST OF THE COSTCO.
UM. NOW WE KNOW, OK, SO THIS IS AN AS BUILT PLAN FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. THE ENGINEER HAS DECIDED TO GIVE A NOTE TO LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT THEY DID IS SLIP LINE THE EXISTING SEWER MANHOLE WITH A PRODUCT CALLED ARMOR LOCK, AND THAT WAS TO PRESERVE THE FUNCTION OF THAT SEWER MANHOLE AND ALLOWING THE PROCEDURE TO BE AS LEAST INVASIVE AS POSSIBLE.
THE PROJECT IS WITHIN A MAINTENANCE EASEMENT THAT VALLECITOS WATER DISTRICT MAINTAINS.
IT'S ADJACENT TO A WETLAND HABITAT AND IT'S ADJACENT TO HMP HARDLINE PRESERVE.
THE SEWER MANHOLE COMPONENTS HAD DETERIORATED OVER TIME, CAUSING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE REPLACEMENT. AND THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE THE REPAIR. AND WE SEE HERE THE OUTSIDE OF THIS, THIS YELLOW TUBING THAT'S COMING OUT, THAT WAS WHEN THEY STARTED WORK.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE OUTSIDE LOOK LIKE.
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THIS IS WHAT THE INSIDE LOOK LIKE AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS A LOT OF CORROSION THAT HAS HAPPENED THIS PARTICULAR SPOT.THE LINE MAKES A HARD ANGLE AND CAUSING ADDITIONAL SULFIDE GAS FROM THE TURBULENCE THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SEWER.
AND SO IT CAUSES THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND SO OVER TIME, IT CORRODES.
VALLECITOS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE, AND IF IT WERE TO FAIL, POTENTIALLY IT COULD HAVE LEAKED SEWAGE INTO THE ADJACENT CREEK AND THUS FLOWING INTO THE OCEAN AS WELL.
AND SO TO PREVENT THAT, WE WENT AHEAD AND GRANTED THE EMERGENCY PERMIT.
AND SO THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION TWENTY ONE TWO OH ONE ONE NINETY AUTHORIZES THE CITY PLANNER TO ISSUE AN EMERGENCY CDP UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, MEANING THAT THERE'S AN IMMINENT DISASTER OR CONCERN TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND SO WE ISSUED THE EMERGENCY CTP ON JUNE 26, 2020.
HERE WE GO. PURSUANT TO CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION IN 2021, THE CITY PLANNER IS REQUIRED TO REPORT TO THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION AND TO CITY COUNCIL, AND BOTH THOSE AUTHORITIES HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE.
AND THE WORK INCLUDED REPAIR OF AN INTERCEPTOR SEWER MANHOLE, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, AND THERE WAS REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF DIRT AROUND THE SEWER MANHOLE, AND I MAY CLARIFY THAT IT'S THE DIRT IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE SEWER MANHOLE.
THERE WASN'T MORE THAN THAT TO AGAIN TRY AND BE AS LEAST INVASIVE AS POSSIBLE.
THERE WAS A PLACING OF TEMPORARY BRIDGE OVER THE ADJACENT CREEK SO THAT EQUIPMENT CAN BE BROUGHT FROM THE STREET, OVER THE CREEK AND TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE WITHOUT DISTURBING THE CREEK. AND THEN THERE WAS NO GRADING AND REMOVAL OF NON-NATIVE VEGETATION WAS MINOR, AND IT'S ALREADY SHOWING SIGNS OF GROWING BACK.
AND WHAT WE MEAN BY MINOR IS LIKE TRIMMING, CRUSHING, TRAMPLING, BUT NONE OF THE ROOT STRUCTURES WERE INTERFERED WITH AND THAT THERE WAS NO NATIVE VEGETATION THAT WAS DISTURBED AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND HERE WE SEE A PHOTO OF THE COMPLETED REPAIRS.
AND SO THAT'S IT, NICE AND CLEAN AND BRAND NEW.
AND THIS IS THE INSIDE HERE THAT WE SEE.
THIS IS THE ARMOR LOCK MATERIAL THAT SLIPPED LINE THAT SEWER MANHOLE.
AND SO NOW, RATHER THAN INTERACTING WITH THE CONCRETE, IT'S INTERACTING WITH THIS ARMOR RAW MATERIAL THAT SHOULD HOLD FOR ANOTHER COUPLE DECADES.
AND THEN HERE IS JUST TO GIVE US A SITE VISIT.
THIS IS POST CONSTRUCTION SHOWING THAT THE VEGETATION IS ALREADY GROWING BACK.
AND THEN HERE, THIS PERMIT WOULD PERMANENTLY AUTHORIZE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE COMPLETED BY THE VALLECITOS WATER DISTRICT UNDER THE EMERGENCY CDP 2020-0030.
NO ADDITIONAL WORK IS PROPOSED AND THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE APPLICABLE CITY STANDARDS. AND SO WITH THAT, I RECOMMEND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A POST EMERGENCY COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT CDP 2021-0037 AND HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN PERMIT HMP 2021-0004 SOME PERMIT THE COMPLETED EMERGENCY REPAIRS THAT WERE CONDUCTED UNDER EMERGENCY COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT CDP 2020-0030 .
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AS WELL, SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM THEY ARE AVAILABLE AS WELL.
THANK YOU MS. BUSTAMANTE, APPRECIATE VERY, VERY MUCH.
BRIEF QUESTIONS STAFF IN THIS REGARD? COMMISSIONER STINE.
JUST ONE QUESTION. MS. BUSTAMANTE, WAS THE SCOPE OF WORK HERE CONSISTENT WITH THE EMERGENCY PERMIT? YES, THE EMERGENCY PERMIT SCOPE OF WORK IS THE SAME AS THE WORK THAT WAS CONDUCTED, AND SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ANALYZE.
THANK YOU. AND ANY OTHER BRIEF QUESTIONS OF STAFF? DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? THIS IS LITO SANTOS, [INAUDIBLE] WE DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
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OK, THANK YOU.ANY QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS TO THE APPLICANT? OK. EXCELLENT.
I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC. I'LL GO AHEAD AND AND CLOSE THE PRESENTATION ASPECT OF IT.
MS... CHAIRMAN MEENES I THINK COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY HAD A QUESTION.
I DIDN'T SEE HER LITTLE HAND THERE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
I DID SEE COMMISSIONER MERZ HAVING A QUESTION TOO.
SO I WANTED TO JUST VERIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A CREEK NEARBY WHO WAS EVALUATING THE MITIGATION MEASURES SURROUNDING THE CREEK.
YEAH. SO STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT THEM AND EVALUATED THEM, AS WELL AS ONE OF OUR I GUESS YOU CAN CALL HER A BIOLOGIST.
SHE MANAGES OUR HMP IMPLEMENTATION AND WE PARTNER WITH HER.
WE ALSO INFORMALLY INFORMED SOME OF THE WILDLIFE AGENCIES, AS WELL AS COASTAL, TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT.
AND THERE WERE NO ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
NO, I WAS I JUST SAW COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY HAND UP SO I WAS JUST WAITING TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE GOT A COMMENT. YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT LITTLE HAND.
OH NO, ACTUALLY, IT'S JUST A LITTLE THING WAY UP IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER, PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD. SO I APPRECIATE THAT, GUYS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT ALL OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T MISS ANYBODY HERE.
OK. MS. FLORES, ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX UNMUTE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AT THIS TIME THEN.
ALL RIGHTY. WITH THAT IN MIND.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I WANT TO SEE A LITTLE. I WANT TO SEE A YELLOW LITTLE HAND HERE.
THERE WE GO. COMMISSIONER LUNA.
BARRING THAT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION, I THINK THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, IT'S A POST ACTION, SO I'LL ASK MY COLLEAGUES OR ANYTHING ELSE TO REPRESENT MR. CHAIR.
I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO A MOTION IF POSSIBLE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OK, YOU HAVE A MOTION, COMMISSIONER LUNA.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
OK, SECOND, COMMISSIONER MERZ MAKES THE SECOND.
MR. KAMENJARIN, YES, APPROVED.
OK WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN UP ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON OUR AGENDA.
[4. CDP 2021-0027 (PUB 2021-0007) - CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AT ENCINAS CREEK]
MR., ANY EXPERT ON BEHALF OF COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MERZ. YES, I I TRIED TO VISIT THE SITE, I DROVE IT BY IT IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AND SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE HARD TO PARK THERE.SO I KIND OF DID A SLOW DRIVE BY GOING SOUTH AND GOING NORTH.
SO BUT IT WASN'T NEARLY OUT OF THE CAR AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH EX PARTE? I DID THE SAME THING, PETER, SO I'M GLAD YOU SPOKE UP ABOUT THAT DIFFICULTY.
ANYONE ELSE? MR. NEU. AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ALSO A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
THIS IS FOR A PROJECT TITLED CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AT ENCINAS CREEK AND MS. BUSTAMANTE'S HERE FOR THIS PRESENTATION ALSO.
ALL RIGHTY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THE CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AT MS. CREEK. HMM.
SO. OK, SO THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, IT IS EAST OF THE PACIFIC OCEAN, WEST OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ON OCEAN VIEW DRIVE, AND IT IS FAIRLY SMALL.
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IT IS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WHEN WE GO INTO THIS NICE AERIAL HERE.OK, SO THIS AERIAL IS SHOWING THERE'S THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THERE TO THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.
YOU'LL SEE A CREEK DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE IMAGE.
AND OUR SEWER LINE IS ACTUALLY ARE NOT SEWER LINE.
SORRY, STORM DRAIN LINE IS UP HERE IN THE YELLOW.
AND SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE COMPONENTS THAT WILL BE REPLACED AND THIS IS THE AREA OF WORK THAT WE'RE EXPECTING.
OK, AND THE PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS PROJECT IS TO REPLACE TWO EXISTING CORRUGATED METAL PIPE STORM DRAINS, AND IT'S NOT WITHIN THE HMP BOUNDARY.
AND WHAT STARTED THIS PARTICULAR NEED IS THAT STAFF REGULARLY WILL CHECK ON THE FACILITIES HERE IN THE CITY, AND THIS ONE WAS IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN POOR DISPOSITION.
AND SO THIS IS WHY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT FROM A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS A PHOTO LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE TRAIN STATION, IF YOU WILL.
HERE IS ACTUALLY THE SEWER ARE NOT SEWER.
I KEEP SAYING SEWER BECAUSE I SAID IT EARLIER TODAY, BUT THIS IS THE STORM DRAIN.
THIS HERE IS WHERE IT'S AT, AND THERE'S A LITTLE TUMBLEWEED THAT'S BLOCKING IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S PRETTY INCONSPICUOUS.
FOLKS, I DON'T THINK WOULD NORMALLY NOTICE IT AT ALL WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING.
AND THEN HERE IS THE OTHER SIDE LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE BEACH.
THAT'S THE OTHER PORTION THAT WE SAW HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
AND AGAIN, ALSO VERY INCONSPICUOUS.
AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST IMAGE TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AND OVERALL IMAGE, AND SO IN THE VERY, VERY LIGHT GRAY HERE IS THE EXISTING STORM DRAIN.
AND THIS HERE IN DARKER LINE, WAIT, THAT IS GOING TO BE THE NEW STORM DRAIN WITH THE ENERGY DISAPPEAR HERE TO DISPERSE THE WATER FROM HITTING THE AREA HERE.
AND THEN THIS OTHER AREA HERE WILL ALSO BE WORKED ON.
THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK THAT WILL HAPPEN HERE ON THE SHOULDER TO IMPROVE THAT AREA AND PREVENT EROSION IN THE FUTURE.
THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE STATIONED HERE EITHER ON THE ROAD OR ON THE SHOULDER, PREDOMINANTLY AND PREFERRED ON THE SHOULDER.
BUT IF NEEDED, THEY'LL BE IN THE ROAD IF ADDITIONAL ROOM IS NEEDED.
THEY WILL STATION EQUIPMENT OFF SITE.
THEY WILL NOT BE POSITIONING EQUIPMENT ON THE OTHER VEGETATION AREAS CLOSE BY, AND THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC.
THEY'VE BEEN CAUTIONED THAT IF WE DO THAT, IF EQUIPMENT WAS TO ENCROACH FURTHER ONTO SOME OF THAT VEGETATION THAT WE WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND POSSIBLY OTHER PERMITS. AND SO THEY ARE AWARE AND WILL AVOID ADDITIONAL IMPACTS.
AND THEN I THINK, AGAIN, LOCATED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, ADJACENT TO AN OPEN SPACE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING DESIGNATION IS TO PREVENT SOIL EROSION AND POLLUTION FROM URBAN RUNOFF. AND THERE ARE ONLY TEMPORARY IMPACTS TO VEGETATION JUST TRIMMING IN THAT SORT OF THING. ROOT STRUCTURES WILL BE KEPT INTACT IN THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT REGULATIONS FOR THE MELLO TWO SEGMENT OF THE LOCAL COASTAL PLAN AND THE COASTAL RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE APPLY TO THIS SPECIFIC AREA.
AND THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COASTAL STANDARDS.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THIS DOES NOT OBSTRUCT VIEWS OR ACCESS TO COASTAL RECREATION.
AND THEN WITH THAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER SEVENTY FOUR THIRTY NINE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT CDP TWENTY TWENTY ONE ZERO ZERO TWO SEVEN.
THANK YOU, MS. BUSTAMANTE, APPRECIATE.
CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
OK. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE MATERIAL USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR REPLACEMENT. IS IT THE SAME MATERIAL THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE LOCATION NOW OR IS IT GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL? YES, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW IT IS CORRUGATED METAL, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A CORRUGATED METAL.
THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY HERE.
JASON EVANS AND SO I'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH HIM, JASON, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, AND LIKE TO
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SPEAK ON THAT. THANK YOU, CHRISTINA.UM, ACTUALLY, IT IS IT IS CORRUGATED METAL PIPE, BUT IT WILL BE REPLACED WITH REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE, CORRUGATED METAL IS CORRODED AND FILLED IN WITH SEDIMENT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY IT BUBBLES UP OUT OF THE TUB SO THAT THE DISCHARGE IS ACTUALLY STILL FILLED WITH SEDIMENT. IT CAN'T BE LOCATED IN THE FIELD, SO WE DON'T DO CORRUGATED METAL PIPE ANYMORE.
THIS IS AN OLD CALTRANS INSTALLATION, AND THE IS ALSO NOT TO OUR STANDARD, SO WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THAT WITH THE STANDARD CONCRETE INLET AND A STANDARD REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE.
THANK YOU, MR. EVANS. THAT WAS MY MY CONCERN AS WELL AS I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY BETTER MATERIAL THAT IS BEING USED TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
APPRECIATE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OK. MS. FLORES, DO I SEE ANYTHING ELSE, MS. FLORES, WOULD YOU OPEN FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY? YES. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY IF YOU'RE USING THE MEETING LINK TO LOG IN OR IF YOU'RE JOINING US BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW TO RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME OR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU'LL BE MUTED ONCE YOUR THREE MINUTES HAVE CONCLUDED.
ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
AND MR. CHAIR, I DON'T SEE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THEN.
YES, TO ME, THIS IS AN EASY YES.
IT WAS AN OLD CORRUGATED PIPE THAT'S CORRODED.
THESE THINGS DON'T MAINTAIN THEMSELVES.
STAFF IS BEING PROACTIVE BEFORE WE HAVE A PROBLEM DOWN THERE AND PUTTING IN A NEW NEW PIPE, BETTER PIPE.
I JUST CAN'T SEE ANY DOWNSIDE IN THIS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD BE AND THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO BENEFIT BY A MORE EFFECTIVE STORM DRAIN PIPING SYSTEM.
SO I SUPPORT IT AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR PROOF.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OK, I SEE NONE, COMMISSIONER STINE, THAT'S YOUR MOTION? YES, IT IS CHAIR. YEAH, I HAVE A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN MAKES A SECOND.
OK. MS. FLORES APPROVED. MR. LUNA, YES, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, YES APPROVE.
CHAIR, MEENES, YES, COMMISSIONER MERZ, YES, MR. SABELLICO, YES.
THANK YOU, MOTION PASSES SEVEN-ZERO.
GREAT. THANK YOU, MS. FLORES. OK, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING AND WE'LL MOVE ON.
[5. ELECTION OF OFFICERS]
MR. NEU FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE UNDER DEPARTMENT REPORTS.AS YOU STATED, ITEM FIVE IS A DEPARTMENTAL REPORT.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
ITEM FIVE IS THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
YOU MAY RECALL IN DECEMBER WE DID NOT HAVE A FULL COMMISSION, AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME QUESTION THAT TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ELIGIBLE TO BE REAPPOINTED.
SO THE COMMISSION ELECTED TO CONTINUE THE ACTION AS TO ELECTING A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR UNTIL A FUTURE MEETING.
SO THIS IS OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
SO IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU HAD SORT OF A SAMPLE OF SOME POTENTIAL MOTIONS.
BUT REALLY YOUR YOUR JOB WITH THIS ITEM IS TO TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND BY MAJORITY VOTES, SELECT A COMMISSIONER FOR EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.
I'M HERE TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY THAT YOU MIGHT NEED.
QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ITEM.
COMMISSIONER LUNA, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? NO. OK.
OK. WITH THAT IN MIND, I WILL GO AHEAD AND THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIRPERSON. COMMISSIONER MERZ.
LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE UH COMMISSIONER STINE, TO BE CHAIR COMMISSION.
OK. IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
NOT TO SECOND. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER LUNA.
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WE HAVE TWO NOMINATIONS THAT HAVE ONE MOTION AT A TIME, SO WE NEED TO TAKE A SECOND FOR THE FIRST ONE. OK.SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON RECOMMENDATION AND NOMINATION FOR COMMISSIONER STINE? COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, OK.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND COMMISSIONER, LUNA.
NO OTHER FURTHER NOMINATIONS CAN WE HAVE.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS THE VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER STINE IS CHAIR.
CORRECT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
YES. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YES, AND COMMISSIONER STINE, YES, THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO ONE.
CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONER STINE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING.
WITH THAT ELECTION OF VICE CHAIR FOR THE COMING YEAR, COMMISSIONER NOMINATION COMMISSIONER LUNA. YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, AND I HAVE A RATIONALE HERE, AS YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY, AND WE WENT WITH THE ASSIGNMENTS FOR COMMITTEES.
WE ALWAYS LIKE TO GIVE COMMISSIONERS AN OPPORTUNITY AND MAYBE GIVE THEM FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL. FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW COMMISSIONER SABELLICO WAS INTERESTED AND I'M GOING TO JOIN COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION, PROPOSE SOMETHING, BUT I'M ONE AS OUR PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS, PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS ALWAYS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO THOSE AND BASED ON SENIORITY OF WHICH WE USED TO SEE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO SENIORITY IN PRESENCE FOR EXPERIENCE. I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER STINE AND COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IN THAT THIS IS THEIR LAST YEAR FOR THEIR TERM AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL IF THEY'RE REAPPOINTED FABULOUS.
YOU KNOW, I I SORT OF LOOK AT IT AS SHARK'S TEETH.
ONE GETS KNOCKED OUT, THE NEXT ONE COMES UP, GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RIGHT OF REFUSAL. I SEE THEN COMMISSIONER MERZ HAS GOTTEN REAPPOINTED.
HE'S GOT A FEW MORE YEARS STILL.
HOWEVER, COMMISSIONER STINE AND COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY DO NOT.
AT THIS POINT. THEY HAVE ONE YEAR, AND SO YOU GUYS ARE THE REMAINDER TEETH.
COMMISSIONER MERZ, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN AND COMMISSIONER SABELLICO SO THAT'S SORT OF THE LOGIC THAT I'M USING.
IF SOMEONE HAS THE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS NOT INTERESTED, THEN I WOULD SHOOT TO THE NEXT PERSON TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY CITY PLANNER, NEW WITNESS COMMISSIONER MERZ TERM UP INTO THE AIR, OH, YOU'RE ALSO YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, UNFORTUNATELY, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW.
I'M STUCK WITH THE END OF THE YEAR TOO, OK? BECAUSE OF THAT. SO YEAH, YEAH, OK.
WELL, THEN WHEN WE HAVE OUR OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS, I THINK YOU'LL APPRECIATE WHAT I HAVE TO WHAT I HAVE TO WHAT I'M OFFERING UP BECAUSE THIS IS AWKWARD AND IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE, AND I THINK EVERYBODY SUPPORTS EVERYBODY.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND STICK WITH MY NOMINATION AND FOR COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY AT THIS POINT, I JUST HAVE A CLARIFICATION.
MR. NEU. IN REGARD TO COMMISSIONER MERZ, I THINK IT'S NOT THE END OF THE YEAR, IF I RECALL, BECAUSE THERE WAS HE WAS ON FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN THERE WAS, YEAH, REAPPOINTED.
AND I HAVE ON THE ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.
CAN YOU CLARIFY? MS. MR. CHAIR SO RECENTLY, WHEN BOTH YOURSELF AND COMMISSIONER LUNA WERE REAPPOINTED, THE COUNCIL IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WORKED ON ADJUSTING SOME OF THE TERMS, AND THIS WAS BASED ON WHEN THE THE APPOINTMENTS WERE CHANGED TO BE MADE BY DISTRICT ELECTED COUNCIL PEOPLE. SO COMMISSIONER MERZ TERM WAS ADJUSTED AS PART OF THAT ACTION.
AND SO THE LIST I HAVE SHOWS COMMISSIONER MERZ TERM EXPIRING IN DECEMBER OF TWENTY TWENTY
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TWO. OH, OK.YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A HASSLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A HASSLE BECAUSE I'M SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HOW TO JUST GET REAPPOINTED NOW YOU IT'S SHORTENING ALL THAT.
SO I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING VICE CHAIR, BUT I CERTAINLY SUPPORT COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, WHO'S VERY WELL QUALIFIED AND HAVE A VERY HIGH RESPECT FOR HER, THE INSIGHTS THAT SHE BRINGS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU, I HAVE A POINT OF INFORMATION, DID ANYBODY ELSE'S TERM GET CHANGED REALLY MIND? YEAH.
JUST HOURS, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T TELL YOU WHERE IN PERPETUITY, BUT WE DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT THE COUNCIL DID. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY? MR. NEU CAN YOU ANSWER? COMMISSIONER SABELLICO YEAH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME.
I'M SO SORRY COMMISSIONER MERZ, I WASN'T AWARE.
I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN.
I UNDERSTAND. I THINK COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS VERY WELL QUALIFIED, SO I CERTAINLY SUPPORT. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, DID YOU HAVE A STATEMENT COMMENT? NO, THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
YEAH, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH US? I'D BE HONORED TO SERVE IF YOU'LL HAVE ME.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER STINE.
WE HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO EXCELLENT CANDIDATES HERE.
SOME CLARIFICATION IS MY RECOLLECTION MAY BE COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY CAN CHIME IN ON THIS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN WE WERE BOTH APPOINTED, COMMISSIONER MERZ WAS ALREADY ON THE COMMISSION, SO HE WAS THERE AND THEN HE WAS.
PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, PETER, SO YOU HAVE A BIT OF SENIORITY, IF YOU WILL, ON THE COMMISSION TO EITHER ONE OF US, THE COMMISSIONER, LAFFERTY OR MYSELF, BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE BEFORE AND THEN GET REAPPOINTED ME, I GOT MY FACTS RIGHT.
BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE, I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS.
NOT I JUST RECENTLY GOT REAPPOINTED.
NOW IT'S UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHICH IS A BIT OF A HASSLE.
BUT YOU KNOW IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND THEN AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, BOTH OF YOU AND YOUR LAST TERM SUBJECT TO BEING REAPPOINTED, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.
SAY AGAIN DURING YOUR LAST YEAR SUBJECT TO POSSIBLE REAPPOINTMENT.
YEAH. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE REAPPOINTED.
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY SERVING ON THE PLANET COMMISSION.
I HOPE I WILL BE REAPPOINTED, BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT COTERMINOUS WITH THE DISTRICT OF THE COUNCIL PERSON WE'RE IN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF KIND OF GOTTEN SHUFFLED A LITTLE BIT HERE.
SO YEAH. THE COMMISSIONER KNEW SOME COMMISSIONER TO FIND REFUGEES, SO I'M CLEAR ON THIS.
COMMISSIONER MERZ WOULD BE SUBJECT TO POSSIBLE REAPPOINTMENT, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS APPOINTED BEFORE HE COULD, HE COULD SERVE ANOTHER FOUR YEAR TERM, POTENTIALLY.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER MERZ HAS SERVED PARTIAL TERMS THAT I THINK WHEN HE STARTED IT, SOMEONE DID NOT COMPLETE A TERM AND HE WAS APPOINTED TO COMPLETE THAT. AND SO THE COUNCIL'S PRACTICE HAD BEEN IN THAT SITUATION THAT THE CANDIDATE, OUR COMMISSIONER WAS STILL ELIGIBLE FOR TWO FULL CONSECUTIVE TERMS. AND IN EACH TURN, SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR YEARS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. YES, IT'S INTERESTING.
YOU KNOW, I JUST GOT REAPPOINTED.
YOU KNOW, I DID A PARTIAL TERM, I GOT REAPPOINTED AND NOW MY TURNS UP AGAIN IN LIKE A YEAR. SO I GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
SO, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, BUT BUT YEAH, I ENJOY.
I VERY MUCH ENJOY SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HOPE TO BE REAPPOINTED.
BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN NOTHING TO GIVE.
YEAH. WAIT A MINUTE, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YOUR HAND WAS UP FIRST.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN SECONDED.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING IF MR. KEMP CAN CHIME IN HERE TO ADVISE US ON THE PROPER PROCEDURE HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE TAKE ALL NOMINATIONS AND THEN DO A STRAW POLL AND THEN WE CAN. HOPEFULLY SOMEONE WILL MOVE APPROVAL OR ELECTION OF WHOEVER GETS MORE VOTES.
AND THAT WAY, NO ONE HAS TO FEEL AWKWARD ABOUT VOTING NO ON SOMEBODY.
HE MS. MR. CAMP, I DON'T THAT'S A LITTLE OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
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I'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES DO IT.YEAH, I THINK IF YOU HAVE A A MOTION, I THINK THIS ONE THROUGH, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE IN IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE VOTING NO, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN YOU'RE VOTING YES ON THE OTHER ONE.
BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT IN COMMISSIONER SABELLICO DID DO IT.
WE HAVE, I THINK, ONE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A SECOND YET.
SO WE NEED TO SEE IF THERE'LL BE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION AND THEN TAKE A VOTE AND THEN YOU CAN DO THE OTHER MOTION, IF NEED BE.
OK. THIS IS IN REGARD TO VICE CHAIR NOW.
I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE NOMINATION OF MS. LAFFERTY. OK, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND THE MOTION WAS MADE BY.
MS. LUNA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN FOR VICE CHAIR, WHICH IS COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. OK, WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
OK. ALL RIGHTY, CAN WE HAVE A.
A VOTE UP, COMMISSIONER STINE.
SO ARE WE WAITING FOR A SECOND ONE BECAUSE COMMISSIONER MERZ WAS ALSO NOMINATED? ARE WE WAITING FOR A POTENTIAL SECOND ON HIS WAS NOT NOMINATED? NO, IT'S NOT. THERE WAS NO SECOND MOTION MADE.
NO. OK. WELL, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LUNA FOR COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY MISTY, VICE CHAIR AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN WITH THAT.
YEAH, MOTION PASSES SEVEN-ZERO, THANK YOU.
YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER LUNA, I THINK IT WAS AN EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT CHOICE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY WOULD BE OUTSTANDING AND GIVEN THIS IS HER FOURTH YEAR, BE REALLY AN HONOR TO HAVE HER AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER STINE AS CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY AS VICE CHAIR.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE GOING BACK INTO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, SO IT'S GOING TO BE ENJOYABLE.
OK. WITH THAT, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO
[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS: ]
OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AMONG OURSELVES AND STAFF, ET CETERA.I THINK ALL OF US KNOW THAT A WEEK AGO, COUNCIL MADE A DECISION IN REGARD TO GOING BACK INTO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WITH THEIR MEETINGS, AT LEAST, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, UNLESS SOMETHING OCCURS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COVID AND THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE IS TO GO BACK INTO THE COUNCIL OF CHAMBERS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH.
BUT AT THE TIME IN WHICH THEY CHOSE TO HAVE THEIR MEETING, RATHER THAN THE TRADITIONAL WAY THAT IT WAS DONE PRIOR TO COVID WAS SIX P.M.
BUT THEY CHOSE TO HAVE IT BE FIVE P.M..
AND AS YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF AN ADVOCATE FOR OUR MEETING TIMES TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK WHEN WE DISCUSSED OUR MEETING TIMES.
IF YOU REMEMBER MONTHS AGO WE TOYED WITH NUMBER OF TIMES SIX TO FIVE, BACK TO THREE, ET CETERA. BUT BEING COUNCILS MADE THEIR DECISION TO HAVE IT BE FIVE O'CLOCK AT THAT TIME WHEN WE MADE OUR DECISION REGARDING THAT AGENDA ITEM, THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA.
WE WENT AHEAD WITH THE SIX P.M.
TIME. SO I'M KIND OF AN ADVOCATE, LIKE I SAID, TO KIND OF STAY IN ALIGNMENT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND WHEREAS NOW IS GOING TO BE AT FIVE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE STAFF COME BACK TO US AND AGENDA AT THE EARLIEST TIME AVAILABLE BACK ON OUR AGENDA THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE POSSIBILITIES OF MAYBE, POSSIBLY AND HAVING STAFF GIVE US A REPORT AGAIN REGARDING OPTIONS.
BUT IF IT CAN BE FIVE O'CLOCK AND BEING ALIGNMENT WITH COUNCIL, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PROPOSE. BUT WITH THAT, WE CAN'T BE THAT THIS IS NOT AN AGENDIZED ITEM.
WE REALLY CANNOT HAVE TONIGHT MUCH DISCUSSION.
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BUT I THINK MOTION BY US TO GO AHEAD AND AGENDIZE IT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE A DIRECTION THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.MR. NEW. MS., THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO YOU ARE CORRECT.
IT WAS SEPTEMBER 1ST WHEN THE TOPIC WAS LAST DISCUSSED, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS A VARIETY OF OPINIONS FROM STARTING PRETTY EARLY IN THE AFTERNOON.
AT THE TIME, WE HAD SHOWN THROUGH SOME RESEARCH THAT THE MAJORITY OF CITIES IN THE COUNTY WERE STARTING SOMEWHERE CLOSER TO SIX P.M..
BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, THE COUNCIL DID RECENTLY DECIDE TO MOVE THEIR MEETINGS START TIME UP TO FIVE P.M.
SO IF IT IS SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, WE IF YOU COULD GET A SECOND AND A VOTE, WE COULD PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
I THINK WHAT OUR ACTION WOULD NEED TO BE IS TO AMEND YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURES RESOLUTION SO WE CAN INSERT REPLACEMENT TIME, AND THAT WOULD BE THE ACTION FOR THAT FUTURE MEETING. THANK YOU, MR. NEU, COMMISSIONER LUNA.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT SIX O'CLOCK, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE AT? CORRECT? BACK IN CHAMBERS, THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT WAS THE ACTION WE TOOK IN SEPTEMBER.
COMMISSIONER MERZ, SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE AT SIX O'CLOCK IN CHAMBERS.
CORRECT. I CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO CHANGE THAT TIME TO BE FIVE O'CLOCK LIKE COUNCIL, BUT ONLY DEPENDS UPON IF MR. NEU AND HIS STAFF CAN HAVE IT BE AGENDAS FOR THAT MEETING.
BUT IT'S IT DEPENDS UPON THE AVAILABILITY AND OR THE TIMING OF THEIR AGENDA ITEMS AND I GUESS, GIVING OUT THE NOTICE MR. NEU. YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO ON THIS ITEM, I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO BE DEALING WITH A DEPARTMENTAL REPORT SO WE WOULD NOT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE NOTICE AND REQUIREMENT, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO GET THE DOCUMENTS PREPARED TO HAVE YOU BE ABLE TO TAKE AN ACTION.
I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA FOR YOU TO TAKE AN ACTION TO CONSIDER JUST IN THE TIME. MS. COMMISSIONER LUNA, SO THAT'S ASSUMING IF YOU GET THE MAJORITY OF US TO SAY, LET GO AHEAD AND DO IT RIGHT NOW.
YEAH. ACTION, THE ONLY ACTION WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TONIGHT IS PURELY JUST ASKING STAFF TO AGENDIZE THE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AT OUR NEXT MEETING OR WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU WERE GOING TO POLL US.
AND IF THE MAJORITY OF US WERE DESIROUS OF THAT, THEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
NO, ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TAKE A MOTION TONIGHT JUST TO AGAIN DO IT RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE TIME TONIGHT.
UM, WE'RE NOT POLL TO ASK IF WE WANT THAT PUT ON THE AGENDA.
WELL, YEAH, WELL, I GUESS WE COULD POLL IT OR HAVE A MOTION TO AGENDA, IS IT OR NOT? OKAY. MR. KEMP.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE A MOTION BECAUSE THIS IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER. I MEAN, YOU COULD JUST TAKE A QUICK POLL TO SEE IF PEOPLE WANT IT ON THE AGENDA OR NOT. THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, THE ITEM WOULD JUST BE SIMPLY TO DISCUSS A DIFFERENT STARTING TIME.
THANK YOU, MR. KEMP. MR. STINE, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES, I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT IN OUR NEXT MEETING AND MAKE A DECISION TO GO SIX OR FIVE O'CLOCK. I THINK IT'S A WORTHY TOPIC.
AND IF THE PRIME DIRECTOR CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD SAY WE PUT IT ON PERHAPS THE LAST ITEM FOR A QUICK DISCUSSION, OK? FOR A QUICK POLL, COMMISSIONER STINE WANTS AN AGENDIZED.
COMMISSIONER LUNA HOEGER, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
I DO NOT WANT HIM TO DEFEND US.
I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S REQUIRED TO BE AGENDA ITEM AS WELL.
I MEAN, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT APPLYING TO THIS OVERLAND WHILE IN ORDER TO IN ORDER TO CHANGE IT FROM SIX O'CLOCK TO FIVE O'CLOCK AND ALIGN IT WITH COUNCIL, THEN WE HAVE TO AGENDIZED IT.
YEAH, YEAH. SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. DISCUSSION MR. LAFFERTY. YOU'RE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO DO.
WE HAVE TO DO IT. COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, OF COURSE.
OK. WE HAVE SIX TO ONE IN REGARD TO AGENDA.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'LL WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT ON FOR THE I THINK IT'S THE MARCH 2ND COULD BE OUR NEXT MEETING FOR YOU TO DISCUSS.
OK. EXCELLENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
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ANY REPORTS THAT YOU WISH TO MAKE.COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY DO MR. STINE FIRST. WELL, YOU WERE FIRST, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A REPORT TOGETHER AND YOU KNOW, BEFORE BEFORE WE GOT INTO A MIRE OF OTHERS, I REALLY FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR YOURS FIRST.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.
I OVERWHELMED AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR CONFIDENCE IN ME.
I HOPE I CAN MEET SOME OF THAT CONFIDENCE.
BUT THE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER NOW CHAIR STINE CONGRATULATIONS.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MET ON JANUARY 14 OF THIS YEAR, AND THEY AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REVIEWED THE MEETING SUMMARY THAT THEY HAD, MELISSA HAD FORWARDED IT TO US SHORTLY AFTER IT HAD COME OUT THAT THEY DID TALK ABOUT A PROPERTY.
WELL, THEY DID REVIEW THE GRANT.
THE THIRD GRADE ART PROJECTS AND ART PROJECT PARTICIPATION.
WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT VIRTUALLY THIS YEAR, SO THAT'LL BE PRETTY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
THEY DID ALSO SAY THAT THE CULVER MEYER CAP HOUSE WAS CLOSED IN ESCROW, SO THERE IS A NEW PURCHASER, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE, I GUESS, THE CITY SOMEONE FROM THE CITY HAS DISCUSSED PRESERVING THE HOME.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID APPEAR IN THE.
ARE UNION-TRIBUNE WAS AN ARTICLE REGARDING THE VICTOR CONDO'S, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AN UPCOMING PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW.
THEY DID HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AND THEIR ACTION WAS FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE SEEN ANY OF THOSE REPORTS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY DISCUSSED, AND THEY ASKED ME TO BRING IT TO YOU AS UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
THE VICTOR CONDO'S REMAINING HISTORIC AS REMAINING OR HAVING HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
THANK YOU. COMMISSONER SABELLICO.
THANK YOU, AND ALSO, CONGRATULATIONS TO FUTURE CHAIRMAN STINE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS WITH WITH YOU AT THE HELM.
I WAS JUST DISCUSSING WITH COMMISSIONER STINE BEFORE THIS MEETING THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE. YOU I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOR A YEAR AND I FEEL LIKE I HAVE MY BEARINGS NOW, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO SEE THIS COMMISSION TAKE A MORE ACTIVE, PROACTIVE ROLE IN SOME OF THE ADVISORY CAPACITY THAT WE ARE TASKED WITH.
SO I THINK THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS QUASI TRADITIONAL AND CERTAINLY THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR JOB.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ALL THAT WE CAN TO FULFILL THE ADVISORY ROLE THAT IS THAT IS NEEDED OF US. I SEE A LOT OF OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONS ACROSS THE COUNTY AND ACROSS THE STATE DISCUSS SB NINE IMPLEMENTATION.
I KNOW THE MILLS ACT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE, PROBABLY LIKE A DOZEN TIMES.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD WE COULD DO SOME WORK ON SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS.
WE COULD BRING UP THE DRIVE THRU MORATORIUM.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SPIT BALLING HERE, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BUT NEVER ACTED ON.
AND ALSO, I REALLY WOULD LIKE US TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL A CHANGE IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT CURRENTLY DISALLOWS US FROM REVIEWING THE CEQA DETERMINATION.
I THINK THAT THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN OUR CITY AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CORRECT IT.
AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS ALL OF US ON THE CALL AT SOME POINTS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOW THAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS, US TO BE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE HANDS ON AND AGENDIZE THESE THINGS FOR US TO DISCUSS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE AS AS A COLLECTIVE HERE, HAVE A LOT TO OFFER, AND WE COULD MAKE A LOT OF REALLY IMPORTANT AND IMPACTFUL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO US.
THEY CAN TWEAK IT BACK, TWEAK IT, THEY CAN SEND IT BACK TO US OR THEY DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL, THEY CAN THROW IT AWAY, BUT WE SHOULD MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM.
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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.OTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
THANK YOU. I WAS RELIEVED TO LEARN OF THE REAPPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONER MEENES AND COMMISSIONER LUNA, IT'S NICE TO THINK WE HAVE IN OUR REPOSITORY THE GREATEST CORPORATE OR COMMISSIONED MEMORY.
SO CONGRATULATIONS TO EACH OF YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EACH OF YOU IN PERSON.
YES, I WILL HAVE TO SAY MYSELF, I, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT THAT FUTURE CHAIR STINE WILL BE CONDUCTING HIS MEETINGS AS CHAIR IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AND I KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT COMMISSIONER LUNA AS WELL AS MYSELF CONDUCTING BY ZOOM OUR ENTIRE PERIOD OF ONE YEAR, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY NICE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REWARDING TO BE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, ON THE DAIS, AND I THINK YOU'LL ENJOY IT VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH.
AND AND I CONGRATULATE THE CHAIR STINE AS WELL AS THE VICE CHAIR LAFFERTY.
REALLY HAPPY TO SEE SEE THE VOTES THIS EVENING.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO EXTEND MY CONGRATULATIONS TO COMMISSIONERS LUNA AND MEENES FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT I WAS ALSO, I WAS CONFIDENT THEY WOULD BE THERE INTELLIGENT, HARDWORKING, VERY MUCH CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION, AND I'M JUST DELIGHTED TO HAVE THEM ABOARD FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
POINT NUMBER TWO IS I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOU AS CHAIR.
OK, THAT MAKES ME CHAIR AND I'M GOING TO BE RUNNING THE MEETINGS AND LISTENING TO EVERYBODY AND GIVING EVERYBODY A FULL AND FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK MUCH AS CHAIR MEENES HAS AND MUCH AS CHAIR LUNA DID WHEN SHE WAS CHAIR.
SO THEY'RE THEY'RE GOOD ROLE MODELS FOR ME TO LOOK AT BECAUSE OF BOTH OF THEM HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
THE FINAL THING IS KIND OF A NUTS AND BOLTS ISSUE AND MAYBE GETTING THE PLANNING DIRECTOR'S INPUT ON THIS.
GOING BACK TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS, QUITE FRANKLY, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN TWO YEARS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT PROCEDURE THERE.
WE HAVE LIGHTS AND BUTTONS AND SO FORTH.
I WANT I'M GOING TO THROW IN AN IDEA, AND I LIKE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR'S COMMENTS ON IT.
WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA FOR OUR FIRST MEETING IN MARCH THAT EACH OF US SHOWED UP AT LEAST 15 MINUTES EARLY? SO JUST KIND OF GET PROCEDURAL SET, FIGURE OUT HOW THE LIGHTS WORK, GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE NEW PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING IN IN PERSON RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE SHOW UP AT THE LAST MINUTE AND AND PERHAPS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISRUPTION OR DIFFICULTY KIND OF GETTING USED TO OUR NEW PROCEDURES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS FOR TWO YEARS? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT COMMISSIONER STINE, I KNOW SINCE WE WERE IN THE COUNCIL OF CHAMBERS, THE CITY HAS CHANGED THE VOTING SYSTEM IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
IT HAS BEEN UPGRADED SINCE WE WERE THERE LAST AND SO THEREFORE MR. NEU 15 MINUTES, A HALF HOUR AHEAD OF TIME FOR OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE SECOND.
OR DO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PLANS IN HAND AS WELL AS THE OTHER THING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, TOO IS TO FIND OUT HAS A DECISION BEEN MADE IN REGARD TO MASKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? FOR, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, 20 MINUTES, 15 MINUTES, OR AT LEAST SHOULD BE PLENTY, I THINK THE MAIN DIFFERENCE THAT I'M AWARE OF IS THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT VOTING BUTTONS NOW AND THEN I THINK YOU'LL HAVE A MONITOR AT YOUR DESK THAT WILL SHOW THE SCREEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ON THE BIG SCREENS.
AND THEN AS FAR AS MASK, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR US RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT LEAST A STAFF WHERE WE'RE STILL WITHIN CITY FACILITIES, MASKING AT LEAST INTO MARCH, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF A WAIT AND SEE.
SO AS SOON AS WE HEAR THE LATEST GUIDANCE THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE AT THE TIME OF OUR MEETING, WE CAN GET THAT OUT TO YOU AND KIND OF FOREWARNED YOU AS TO WHAT WHAT TO PREPARE FOR FOR THE MARCH 2ND MEETING.
WELL, GETTING THE NUTS AND BOLTS I'M LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY AGENDIZING AN ITEM WITH WITH MY COLLEAGUE'S CONSENT.
FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF WE HAD AN AGENDA
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ITEM MR. NEU, MR. KEMP. I KNOW WE HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, BUT UNLIKE WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM AND I'M PROPOSING MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK AND WE COULD ADD ON TO THE AGENDA COMMISSION CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS.AND THAT'S WHERE COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, THOSE TYPE OF ITEMS COULD BE PUT IN THERE TO BRING BACK FOR DISCUSSION.
WE PRESENTLY DON'T HAVE AN ITEM LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE JUST A DISCUSSION, AND I KNOW COUNSEL KEMP IS CONTINUOUSLY PUTTING UP GUARDRAILS TO KEEP US SAFE.
AND SO I KNOW THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT IS BASICALLY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION OF MATTER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES HERE WOULD CONSIDER.
GRANTED MR. KEMP AND MR. NEU THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT ON THERE? THE SECOND ITEM IS.
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, COMMISSIONER MEENES AND I FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY GOT CAUGHT AND MR. MERZ SORT OF THIS IS A DANGLING PAST PARTICIPLE BACK IN SENTENCE ABRIDGING AS A RESULT OF TRANSITIONING FROM DISTRICTS TO AT LARGE.
I ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT AS A THREE LEGGED STOOL WHEN COMMISSIONER MEENES AND I CAME ON, WE WERE ON MAYBE NINE 10 MONTHS.
THE NEXT YEAR CAME AND THERE WERE COMMISSIONERS ON THERE THAT HAD OVER.
YOU KNOW, SOME HAD 10 YEARS, 12 YEARS EXPERIENCE BECAUSE LIKE COMMISSIONER MERZ, THEY WERE APPOINTED IN BETWEEN SEQUENCES.
THEN THEY DID THEIR OTHER FOUR.
THEY WERE THEY CAME BACK AND THEY WERE ALL AT LARGE EMPLOYERS.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THERE WAS ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU, I THINK, COMMISSIONER MEENES YOU SERVE YOU HAD A YEAR IN.
AND SO WHAT WE HAD TO DO IS IS, AS IS PLANNER NEU RECALLED, WE HAD TO PUT THE VOTE OFF BECAUSE COMMISSIONER MEENES AND I AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER ELIGIBLE COMMISSIONER THAT COULD MAKE MEET THE ONE YEAR REQUIREMENT TO SERVE AS AN OFFICER.
SO WE WAITED COMMISSIONER MEENES AND MYSELF WERE THEN CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, THE COMMISSIONER THAT WAS THERE.
SHE DECIDED SHE JUST HAD TOO MUCH ON HER PLATE THAT YEAR AND WASN'T INTERESTED.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND BACK IN THE DAY, THE VICE CHAIR AUTOMATICALLY MATRICULATED UP TO THE CHAIR. AND IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD SYSTEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THE EXPERIENCE YOU LEARNED THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR WENT ON DEBRIEFINGS TOGETHER, AND IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO TEACH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE GROUND RULES, WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM, WHAT YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE NUANCES THAT MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE APPOINTED DON'T KNOW UNLESS THEY COME FROM THAT SPECIFIC INDUSTRY FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT GOT STRICKEN FROM OUR SORT OF DOCUMENT THAT THAT MR. NEU WAS REFERRING TO, WHICH IS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURES.
AND, YOU KNOW, MR. MEENES WAS UP.
HE WHAT COMMISSIONER MEENES WAS.
HE WAS MY VICE CHAIR COME IN THE NEXT YEAR AND I THINK WE ALL ANTICIPATE IT HIMSELF.
I BELIEVE SO THAT HE WOULD MATRICULATE TO CHAIR.
AND IT'S IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S AWKWARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS PUT PUT AS THE VICE CHAIR.
SO WE DO HAVE CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURES THAT DO NOT HAVE THE VICE CHAIR MATRICULATE TO CHAIR, WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING WE MIGHT NEED TO CONSIDER.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT, WE WENT THROUGH THAT AGENDA.
WE'RE WAITING FOR ALL YOU GUYS TO GET SEATED.
FINALLY, I AM SO SORRY, COMMISSIONER MERZ.
YOU'RE SEATED. WE'VE GOT DATES.
THE STAFF, AS WELL AS COUNCIL, HAS BEEN WAITING FOR TERMS. THEY'VE THEY'VE AH, THE CLERK HAS MONKEYED AROUND WITH OUR TERMS DURING THIS TRANSITION.
YOU'RE ALL HERE. SO NOW WE HAVE THE THIRD PART OF THE STOOL AND I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE AGENDIZE, MAYBE IN A MONTH OR SO LET YOU GUYS MARINATE ON IT AND GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PREDICTIVE.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER STINE, WHEN YOU CAME ON, YOU WERE PERPLEXED AT HOW DO WE NOMINATE OFFICERS? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE RULES? DO WE HAVE ANY RAILS? AND IT WAS LIKE THE WILD WEST, IT WAS NOT LIKE THAT PREVIOUSLY.
AND AND IT MAKES IT AWKWARD AND I THINK UNCOMFORTABLE.
I THINK PEOPLE FEEL THE DNA OF THIS COMMISSION HAS CHANGED THAT USED TO BE ALL AT LARGE.
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I THINK THERE WAS JUST AN UNDERSTANDING.AND I THINK NOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THAT IN A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR CAPACITY.
SO I LIKE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING, BE COMING FROM A PLANNING BACKGROUND.
I'M JUST CAME UP WITH ROTATIONAL SUCCESSION ORDER.
SO WHAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE AS A AN ORDER, AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER? IT'S PREDICTIVE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A STRAW VOTE, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S A PATH PUT OUT.
THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP AND IS WHO'S ANTICIPATED TO BE NEXT AND THEY CAN REFUSE.
WE DON'T WANT TO FORCE ANYBODY, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES AND SOMEONE REALLY MIGHT WANT TO BE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR.
BUT THEY'RE QUIET DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO TALK TO COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
EVERYTHING'S SUPPOSED TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN.
AND I THINK IT MAKES IT AWKWARD FOR COMMISSION RELATIONSHIPS.
AND IF YOU HAVE A STRUCTURED SUCCESSION ORDER THAT IS BASED ON ROTATIONS NOW THAT WE HAVE THINGS IN PLACE, TERMS IN PLACE, THAT PERSON WHO'S SHARP TOOTH POPS UP NEXT HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT, AND THAT'S FINE.
WELL, THEN THE NEXT ONE SLIDES IN.
AND SO IT'S IT'S A PREDICTIVE MODEL.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S EXPECTATION THAT YOU WILL BE NEXT THIS IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU CAN PREPARE YOURSELF ALSO.
THAT'S IT VERBATIM, BUT SORT OF A MODEL OF THAT SORT.
WE'VE HAD THAT IN THE PAST COMMISSIONER MEENES UNDER THE THE OTHER PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WAS AT LARGE.
WE'RE AT DISTRICTS NOW AND THIS GIVES EVERYBODY IN THE DISTRICT AND THE THREE AT-LARGE FOLKS TO HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK CHAIR MEENES IF HE COULD POLL MY COLLEAGUES HERE AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING I'M THINKING.
BEFORE WE POLL, I'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR ILLUSTRIOUS CITY ATTORNEY, MR. KEMP, IF HE WEIGHS, IF HE WANTS TO WEIGH IN OR NOT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH AGENDIZING ITEM FOR THE FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO STRUCTURE YOUR MEETINGS.
I MEAN, THE CODE GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES EVERYTHING FROM HOW YOU ELECT YOUR CHAIRS TO WHAT THE SUCCESSION IS TO THE TIMES OF YOUR MEETINGS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN BY THE COUNCIL THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE THOSE METHODS.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THE WAY COMMISSIONER LUNA IS HANDLING IT RIGHT NOW IS FINE BECAUSE SHE'S NOT ASKING FOR ANYBODY TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW.
SHE'S JUST ASKING TO AGENDIZE IT IN THE FUTURE.
NOW OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR TO SEE WHAT ITEMS ARE COMING UP AND WHETHER WE HAVE STAFF READY TO PUT TOGETHER SOME KIND OF REPORT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CONSTRAINT THAT I WOULD SEE.
GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT ASKING FOR TOMORROW, I MEAN, A MARINATE ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT I JUST LISTEN TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME.
WE NEED SOME PREDICTABILITY HERE.
OK. WELL SAID, HOW ABOUT A POLL AT THIS TIME TO HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY COMMISSIONER LUNA TO BE AGENDIZED AT A FEW, SOME FUTURE DATE.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? OKAY, I'LL GO DOWN THE LINE.
I'M NOT IN LOVE WITH THE IDEA, BUT I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN DISCUSSING IT, SO YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING DISCUSSING.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY. YES, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
YES, AS LONG AS WE DON'T DO IT WITHIN 30 DAYS, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. I THINK WE'RE FINE.
ALL RIGHT. MR. NEU YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? YES I DO MR. CHAIR. OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO THEREFORE, BEING THAT YOU'RE ON ON THE STAGE RIGHT NOW, MR.
[CITY PLANNER REPORT:]
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NEU ANY REPORTS THAT YOU WISH TO PROVIDE TO THE COMMISSION.I'M JUST REAL BRIEFLY, LAST NIGHT, THE CITY COUNCIL DID TAKE AN ACTION TO WEIGH IN ON THE SITES THAT WILL BE STUDIED AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT PROCESS FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT SITE CHANGES.
I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THIS IS WHERE ACTUAL LAND USE CHANGES TO SITES WOULD BE MADE AS PART OF THIS FUTURE PROCESS, SO THEY ELECTED TO SELECT TWO KIND OF OPTIONS OR ALTERNATIVES. THE FIRST BEING THERE WERE 18 POTENTIAL SITES ON THE CITYWIDE MAP THAT THE PUBLIC WAS ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON THROUGH SURVEYS AND AND OTHER MEENES WORKSHOPS.
SO THEY ELECTED TO HAVE A STUDY ALL 18 SITES, AND THEN THEY SELECTED A SECOND OPTION OR A SECOND MAP THAT LOOKED AT TAKING THOSE 18 SITES AND REMOVING THREE OF THEM.
AND THE THREE TO BE REMOVED IN THE SECOND OPTION ARE A SITE.
IT WAS SITE THREE THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF EL CAMINO REAL AND CHESNUT SITE EIGHT, WHICH IS ON AVR PARKWAY.
IT'S JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE AVRA APARTMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED NOT TOO LONG AGO, IS CURRENTLY THE SITE OF THE COTTAGE ROW APARTMENTS AND THE THIRD SITE REMOVED FROM THE THE MAP TO ALTERNATIVE WAS THE CITY'S OAK YARD DOWN IN THE VILLAGE AREA.
AND THEN THE LAST KIND OF MODIFICATION FOR THAT SECOND OPTION WAS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY ON BOTH THE KOESTER STATION SITES.
SO THE KOESTER STATION AT POINSETTIA AND THE ONE IN THE VILLAGE.
SO THOSE WERE THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WILL BE EVALUATED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
AND THEN THAT'LL HELP INFORM KIND OF WHERE WE GO IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDING WHICH SITES TO MEET OUR REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS.
NOW JUST SOMETHING REALLY QUICK THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE OF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PRACTICE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP, BUT I KNOW CHAIRMAN MEENES TRADITIONALLY WHEN WE'RE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THE SEATING ARRANGEMENT WAS IT BY MOST SENIORITY AND THEN DOWN THE LINE, IS THAT HOW THEY USED TO DO IT? MR. NEU.
SURE, THANK YOU. NO, THE SEATING ARRANGEMENT, WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING WAS LEAVING IT TO THE CHAIR TO SELECT WHERE THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS WOULD SEAT ON SIT ON THE DAIS.
AND THERE WERE DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES IN TERMS OF WHERE THE CHAIR WOULD GO FIRST IF THERE WAS AN ORDER FOR FOUR COMMENTS AND WHETHER TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME EXPERIENCE BE THE FIRST ONE TO GO OR NOT.
SO OK, WHEN WE GO BACK, WE WOULD PROVIDE SOMETHING TO COMMISSIONER STINE OR CHAIRMAN STINE, AND THEN HE CAN PROPOSE WHAT HE THINKS WOULD WORK BEST AS WE GO BACK TO THE CHAMBER. OK.
OK. NOTHING FURTHER MR. NEU. NO, SIR, THAT'S THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY REPORT TODAY.
HOW ABOUT OUR ATTORNEY, MR. KEMP? ANY REPORTS? NO REPORTS, SIR. ALL RIGHTY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
CHAIRMAN MEENES, WE JUST TOOK YOU FOR GRANTED HERE.
THE CHALLENGES YOU HAD DURING COVID.
GOD BLESS YOU. I'M GLAD IT WAS YOU.
I DO. I DO. I DO HAVE TO SAY, AND I'M GLAD YOU AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT WAS AN HONOR.
I REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED BEING CHAIR THIS YEAR.
I ENJOYED BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, WHICH WAS WAS AGAIN AN HONOR. AND I THINK IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THAT I WILL LOOK BACK ON AND CHERISH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND HOPEFULLY, GIVEN THAT I'M HERE FOR ANOTHER FOUR, UNLESS SOMETHING OCCURS, MAYBE THE OPPORTUNITY MIGHT BE THERE AGAIN.
AND IF THAT WERE A CHOICE THAT OCCURRED BY THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I'D BE HONORED TO DO SO AGAIN AT SOME FUTURE DATE.
BUT I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD HANDS WITH WITH CHAIR STINE AND VICE CHAIR LAFFERTY.
COMMISSIONER STINE, I JUST WANT TO ECHO THAT THOUGHT COMMISSIONER MEENES HAS DONE A SUPERB JOB UNDER DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES.
I WISH HE HAD A CHANCE TO DO HIS THING IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
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YOU KNOW, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT THAT WAY, BUT I'M CONFIDENT HE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO BE WITH US FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OR SO.ROY, OUTSTANDING JOB AND I'VE GOT SOME BIG SHOES TO FILL.
ANYTHING FURTHER? COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, YOU KNOW, LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I REALIZE THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT YEAR.
YOU'VE BEEN LIKE A WARTIME PRESIDENT HAVING TO DEAL WITH PROBLEMS, BUT CONGRATULATIONS AND WELL DONE.
ALL RIGHTY. ANYTHING FURTHER? OK WITH THAT. WE'LL CLOSE THE MEETING OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE MARCH 2ND MEETING, I ADJOURN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.