Mar 02, 2022 Planning Commission Meeting

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COMMISSION FIRST ITEM WOULD BE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE COMMISSIONER MEENES, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, PLEASE? MRS. FOREST, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? YES, CHAIR, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS ABSENT TONIGHT, AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER LUNA.

COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MERZ? HERE. MR. SABELLICO? PRESENT.

AND CHAIR STINE? HERE. SO WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

NEXT ITEM IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

MRS. FLORES, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS FOR MATTERS, NOT ON THE AGENDA? MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE NO REQUESTS TO SPEAK FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

OK, THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, THE PROCEDURES

[1. SDP 2020-0005 (DEV2019-0244) – CHILDREN’S PARADISE ]

EACH OF US HAVE INDIVIDUAL SCREENS.

IF YOU ARE WANT TO SPEAK, YOU FILL OUT A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM.

REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM MUST BE TURNED IN TO THE MINUTES CLERK, MRS. FLORES, PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING.

ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES UNLESS THAT TIME IS REDUCED BY THE CHAIRPERSON, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM TONIGHT.

SO THOSE ARE OUR PROCEDURES.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE FIRST ITEM.

CITY PLANNER NEU, WOULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE THE FIRST ITEM, PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROJECT TITLED CHILDREN'S PARADISE, AND ASSOCIATE PLANNER JESSICA EVANS IS HERE TO MAKE THE STAFF PRESENTATION.

AND BEFORE MS. EVANS STARTS, I WOULD DO WANT TO ASK FOR DISCLOSURES.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES FROM COMMISSIONERS WITH REGARD TO SITE VISITS OR EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? STARTING AT THE END, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? I'VE LOOKED AT IT ON GOOGLE EARTH.

OK. COMMISSIONER MEENES? DROVE BY THE SITE. MR. KAMENJARIN, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? I'VE, DRIVEN BY THE SITE.

COMMISSIONER MERZ? YES, ACTUALLY STOPPED AT THE SITE AND WALKED THE SITE.

AND I HAVE ALSO BEEN TO THE SITE, STOPPED AND WALKED AROUND.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

MS. EVANS, COULD YOU START WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? SURE. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

THE FIRST ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE CHILDREN'S PARADISE PROJECT.

THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MARIN ROAD, JUST EAST OF CIENEGA PLACE.

THE PROJECT SITE IS A PREVIOUSLY GRADED UNDEVELOPED LOT.

TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, ARE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES INTO THE EAST ARC IS A COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE AND THE SOUTH AND WEST ARE OPEN SPACE AREAS.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A ELEVEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND TWO OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS TO ACCOMMODATE A DAYCARE FACILITY.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS ACCESS FROM MARIN ROAD ON SITE PARKING IS PROVIDED WITH AN OPEN PARKING LOT THAT RUNS ALONG THE STREET FRONT, AND THERE ARE TWO PLAY AREAS LOCATED ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BOTH BE FULLY FENCED IN.

THE DAYCARE FACILITY WILL OPERATE WITHIN SIX PRESCHOOL ROOMS, THREE TODDLER AND INFANT ROOMS, SOME ANCILLARY OFFICES AS WELL AS A KITCHEN.

THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AS SEEN FROM THE STREET FRONT, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY TWENTY FIVE FEET AND EIGHT INCHES IN HEIGHT AND IS OF A SPANISH COLONIAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE QUARRY CREEK MASTER PLAN. THE BUILDING INCLUDES PORCELAIN, TILE, CLAY ROOFS, ARCHES, WOOD TRELLIS STRUCTURES, VERTICAL WINDOWS AND COLUMNS.

THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS A CLOSER VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THEIR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS INCLUDE OVERHANGS ABOVE THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.

THE USE OF STONE AS A BASE ELEMENT.

DECORATIVE LIGHTING AND ACCENT METAL FEATURES.

AND LASTLY, THIS VIEW IS FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR THE REAR OF THE BUILDING,

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THE OUTDOOR I'M SORRY, THE OPERATIONS OF THE DAYCARE USE INCLUDE HAVING AN ENROLLMENT OF ABOUT A MAXIMUM OF 198 STUDENTS AND TWENTY SIX EMPLOYEES.

THE CENTER IS AN AFTER HOURS FACILITY FOR PARENTS WORKING EXTENDED HOURS, AND THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE FROM SIX A.M.

TO 10 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND SIX A.M.

TO 12 A.M. FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND WILL BE CLOSED ON SUNDAYS.

TO MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL NOISE IMPACTS, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS PROPOSED TO LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS FROM SEVEN A.M.

TO EIGHT P.M.. THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS AND COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING THE GENERAL PLAN THE QUARRY CREEK MASTER PLAN, THE PLANNED COMMUNITY ZONING DESIGNATION, COMMUNITY FACILITIES ZONE, CHILD CARE ORDINANCE AND CEQA.

AND LASTLY, AS OF TODAY, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.

AND THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE PROJECT BASED UPON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED THEREIN, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND STAFF IN THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AND IF SO, PLEASE LOG IN.

NO QUESTION I HAD A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

MS. EVANS, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED PRIVATELY ON THIS ISSUE, BUT I WANTED TO TALK PUBLICLY.

I NOTICED THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS A TREMENDOUS SLOPE AT THE BACK, VERY, VERY HIGH SLOPE AT THE BACK. CAN YOU COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT'S MAINTAINED? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND HOW THAT'S DONE? SURE. SO IN THE QUARRY CREEK MASTERPLAN WAS FIRST WAS APPROVED.

PART OF THE REQUIREMENT WITHOUT APPROVAL, IT REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO PRESERVE THAT OPEN SPACE AREA FOR NATURAL HABITAT.

SO THE THE OPEN SPACE AREAS OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER AND IS MANAGED THROUGH THE SAN DIEGO HABITAT CONSERVANCY, WHICH MAKES SURE THEY MANAGE ALL THE HABITAT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS. LOOKS GOOD, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE, THEY ARE GENERALLY PRETTY GOOD AT CONTACTING STAFF AND WE WORK WITH THE CONSERVANCY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MITIGATE ANY ISSUES THAT DO ARISE.

AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE SLOPE IN TERMS OF ANY CONCERNS OF SOIL EROSION, YOU KNOW, THAT SLOPE WAS PREVIOUSLY GRADED AND LANDSCAPED FOR VEGETATION, AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION OF TEAR STRAINS WERE PUT IN TO HELP WITH ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THAT SITE AS IT RELATES TO SOIL EROSION.

SO THE APPLICANT ITSELF WOULD NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THAT SLOPE.

THEIR PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND THE TOE OR THE BASE OF THAT SLOPE ? DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO THEIR PROPERTY LINE BOUNDARY IS AROUND THE AREA OF THE TOE OF THE SLOPE, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OR ANY OTHER RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THAT SLOPE. THANK YOU.

ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

SEEING NONE. THANK YOU.

WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION, PLEASE? IF YOU WOULD BEGIN BY BY BY STATING YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

WELCOME, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CHILDREN'S PARADISE HAS BEEN EXPANDING THROUGHOUT NORTH COUNTY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

WE'VE BEEN EXPANDING BECAUSE OUR PROGRAMS ARE WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES NEED.

THE FIRST THING I NEED TO TELL YOU ABOUT OUR PROGRAMS IS THAT WE DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST CHILDREN BASED UPON THE INCOMES OF THEIR PARENTS AND IN SOCIETY TODAY, THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE.

POOR CHILDREN GO TO PROGRAMS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR POOR CHILDREN AND RICH CHILDREN GO TO PROGRAMS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR RICH CHILDREN.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT MECHANISM WITHIN OUR SOCIETY IS THAT THERE ARE NO POOR CHILDREN, THERE ARE NO RICH CHILDREN. THERE ARE JUST SIMPLY CHILDREN.

NORMAL CHILDREN LIKE ME WHO GREW UP IN A FAMILY THAT DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES.

AND SO WHILE OTHER PEOPLE GOT ACCESS BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS HAD MONEY, I DID NOT GET ACCESS AND WAS A LITTLE BIT PISSY ABOUT THAT AS A SMALL CHILD.

SO WHEN I STARTED CHILDREN'S PARADISE, I MADE SURE THAT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE PRIMARILY DID.

AND FROM THERE, WE'VE CREATED THIS SPECTACULAR PROGRAM.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

THIS IS ONE OF OUR CLASSROOMS, THIS IS AN OCEANSIDE CENTER.

WE OPENED A CENTER ON THE CORNER OF MISSION AND CANYON.

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ONLY ONE GANG WOULD CHOOSE OUR PROGRAM AND THEN MAYBE OTHER PARENTS WHO DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE FACILITY. WHEN WE GOOGLE EARTH, THE ADDRESSES FOR ALL OF THE FAMILIES THAT WERE IN OUR FACILITY AFTER WE FILLED UP WITH SIX WEEKS UNTIL WE WERE FULL, THEY CAME FROM EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO WE WERE ASKING ONE OF THE FAMILIES.

THEY SAID, OH, THIS IS NEUTRAL GROUND.

100 PERCENT OF US KNOW THAT WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN AND WE'RE ALL ABLE TO COME HERE AND THERE'S NO ISSUES AND WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2015.

WE HAVE A VARIETY OF EFFORTS THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN.

WE ARE DIRECT FUNDED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND BY THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY EARLY CARE AND EDUCATION.

WE ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE QRIS SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE QUALITY RATING AND IMPROVEMENT SYSTEM, AND OUR CENTERS ACROSS THE BOARD ARE RATED TIER FOUR AND TIER FIVE, TWO OR FOUR IN OUR INFANT PROGRAMS AND TIER FIVE IN OUR PRESCHOOL PROGRAMS. I TALKED ABOUT THE SEPARATION, I ALWAYS START OFF WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT.

OUR CENTERS ARE FULLY ENROLLED ACROSS NORTH COUNTY, SO THE NEED IS THERE FOR MORE CHILD CARE. WE HAVE PEOPLE CALLING FROM THIS SPECIFIC AREA ALL THE TIME AND WE WERE EXCITED WHEN WE FOUND THIS LOT BECAUSE THE NEED IN THAT AREA IS SO GREAT.

WE ANTICIPATE FULL ENROLLMENT WITHIN SIX WEEKS OF OPENING, JUST LIKE WE DID IN OCEANSIDE, AND WE'VE RUN FULL ENROLLMENT.

YOU SEE, AT SOME OF OUR SITES, WE'RE RUNNING ONE HUNDRED AND 104.

THAT'S BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY CALLS IN SICK THAT DAY, ANOTHER CHILD IS ABLE TO ATTEND THAT DAY. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE LITERALLY ON THE WAITING LIST LIKE THAT.

PARTNERSHIP EFFORTS, WE WORK WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, SO IN OUR PROGRAMS, WE HAVE 17 DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING.

EVERYTHING FROM HEAD START, EARLY HEAD START, STATE PRESCHOOL, ALL OF THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. BUT THERE'S ONE ON THERE THAT'S SUPER COOL AND THAT'S THE SMARTY PATCH FOUNDATION. WE HAD A LITTLE GIRL THAT WAS FOUR YEARS OLD, AND SHE CAME INTO OUR FACILITY AND SAID, LOOK, I NEED TO GO TO PRESCHOOL.

AND I SAID, WELL, WHY AREN'T YOU GOING TO PRESCHOOL? BECAUSE MY MOMMY HAS TOO MUCH MONEY.

I SAID, REALLY? I TALKED TO OUR STAFF AND THEY SAID, YES, HER MOM DOESN'T QUALIFY BY $40 A WEEK. WE SCHOLARSHIP THAT LITTLE GIRL IN FOR HER ENTIRE TENURE UNDER THE SMARTY PATCH FOUNDATION, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH JUST US GIVING UP A FREE SPACE.

BUT WE DON'T WANT THE PARENTS TO KNOW THAT SO THAT THEY DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED.

AND THAT MOTHER WAS GREAT.

THE DAUGHTER WAS THE FIRST IN A FAMILY OF FIVE THAT WENT TO PRESCHOOL.

SUPER COOL PROGRAMS, AMAZING, ADORABLE STAFF, ALL OF THESE ARE PICTURES OF OUR ENVIRONMENTS, PICTURES OF THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR OUR STAFF, WE DO YOGA.

WE DO CHEF CLASSES.

WE HAVE A TRAINER THAT COMES IN AND DOES WORK WITH THE KIDS BECAUSE REALLY IMPORTANT TO CHILDREN IS THEIR OVERALL HEALTH AND THE WAY THAT THEY DEVELOP THOSE HEALTHY EATING AND EXERCISE HABITS FROM THE TIME THAT THEY'RE YOUNG.

INSIDE THE CENTERS ARE ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

WE USE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED ENVIRONMENTS BASED UPON EXERCISE, WHICH IS A RESEARCH BASED CURRICULUM PROGRAM OR A RESEARCH BASED ENVIRONMENTAL RATING SCALE.

THIS IS OUR ECER'S AVERAGE, AND THAT'S BASED UPON EVERYBODY IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

SO CHILDREN'S PARADISE LOVES FACILITIES.

WE LOVE DOING BEAUTIFUL ONES.

WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT CARLSBAD.

THIS WILL BE OVER THE TOP IN THE ENTRYWAY OF CARLSBAD.

THIS TALKS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF OUR EDUCATION.

OUR CLASS SCORES ARE AMAZING.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE REALLY COOL THINGS THAT WE DO.

WE CREATED A ROAD IN THE HALLWAY BECAUSE IT WAS RAINING, AND SO THE KIDS GOT TO RIDE THEIR BIKES UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, THE ROAD.

BUT THEY HAD TO STAY ON THE SIDE, ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, SO THEY DIDN'T HIT EACH OTHER.

SO THAT WAS PRETTY FUN.

YOU CAN SEE OUR LITTLE TEEPEE.

I PUT THAT UNIT TOGETHER.

I LOVE NATIVE AMERICANS AND THE CULTURE.

AND SO BRINGING THAT IN AND THEN BRINGING REALLY AUTHENTIC ITEMS WAS SUPER FUN.

THAT WAS A GREAT UNIT TO PUT TOGETHER.

THIS IS OUR HALLWAY AT OCEANSIDE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO KNOCK THE CENTER OUT OF THE WATER WITH OUR CARLSBAD CENTER. IN THE CARLSBAD CENTER, YOU COME INSIDE, THERE'S THIS MASSIVE TREE THAT'S OVER THE RECEPTION AREA AND THERE ARE THESE BIG ROPES COMING DOWN THE WALL TO A BENCH AND THAT BENCH IS LOOKS LIKE A SWING, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BE OUTSIDE ON THE INSIDE.

AND THE SUPER FUNNY THING ABOUT CARLSBAD IS, YOU KNOW, THE MONSTERS INC, THE LITTLE BIRDS AT THE BEGINNING. WHERE THEY'RE ALL CHITTERING ON THE LINE AND THEN WANT WANT COMES IN.

I'M WANT WANT.

SO YES, I CAUSE NOTHING BUT TROUBLE.

SO CARLSBAD I DESIGNED WITH LITTLE BIRDS IN THE TREE BECAUSE I AM A DISRUPTOR WHEN IT COMES TO EARLY CARE AND EDUCATION.

I'M DETERMINED EVERY CHILD IS GOING TO HAVE ACCESS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY OR NOT TO GET ACCESS TO THAT KIND OF BAKING.

THAT'S ACTUALLY THE FOOD WE MAKE.

THAT'S NOT PICTURES OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S FOOD, SNOWMEN AND THEN MELTED SNOWMAN FOR SNACK, A

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WE HAVE A CHEF AND A CHEF'S ASSISTANT AT EVERY SINGLE SITE.

READY FOR KINDERGARTEN.

EXPECT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO COME TO OUR GRADUATION.

LAST YEAR WE HAD DRIVE THRU GRADUATIONS AND WE HAD ABOUT 700 PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR 68 CHILDREN WITH DRIVE THROUGH GRADUATION.

YES, WE HAD TO MOVE OUR SECOND GRADUATION OF OUR VAIL TERRACE SITE OVER TO OUR [INAUDIBLE] SITE BECAUSE IT'S OUT OF CHURCH AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO A DRIVE THRU A LITTLE BIT BETTER THERE. BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE THE AMOUNT OF PARENTS AND PEOPLE THAT COME.

WE REALLY BELIEVE IN SUPPORTING FAMILIES.

SO DURING COVID, WE'VE MADE MORE THAN 470 REFERRALS TO OUTSIDE AGENCIES.

WE SHEPHERDED 30 FAMILIES THE ENTIRE TWO YEARS AND PREVENTED THEM FROM BEING HOMELESS, AND THAT WAS BY CONNECTING THEM TO PAYMENTS FOR RENT PAYMENTS FOR UTILITIES.

SOMETIMES WE PAID THAT. WE PAID IT OURSELVES.

WE BELIEVE IN FAMILIES, AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS OUR DRIVE-IN MOVIE NIGHT.

SO WHILE PARENTS GET TO GO TO A TRAINING AND A PARENTING CLASSES, THE KIDS GET TO MAKE CARS, MAKE CARS WITH THEIR PARENTS FIRST, AND THEN THEY GET TO GO TO DRIVE-IN NIGHT AT THE MOVIES. WE DO SCHOOL BREAK AND SUMMER CAMP, SO WE DO PLAN TO HAVE A ROBUST CAMP IN CARLSBAD SO THAT ALL OF THE THE PEOPLE IN CARLSBAD RUNNING SUMMER CAMP FOR THEIR KIDS, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE TOURISTS KNOW WHERE THEY CAN PLACE THEIR CHILD FOR A DAY.

WE HAVE A BALL. WE HAD 168 CHILDREN IN OUR PROGRAM LAST SUMMER.

WE HAVE BEEN OPEN THE ENTIRE PART OF COVID.

THAT HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE, BUT WE HAVE DONE IT WITH CLASS AND WITH DIGNITY, AND MY STAFF HAVE DONE IT WITH EIGHT ROUNDS OF HAZARD PAY, EVERY SINGLE STIPEND THAT THE STATE GAVE CHILDREN'S PARADISE FOR CHILD CARE AND THERE WERE EIGHT OF THEM EVERY SINGLE ONE WE PASSED ON TO OUR STAFF IN THE FORM OF HAZARD PAY.

SO I LOVE THAT THEY'RE AMAZING.

THIS IS SOME OF THE DISPLAYS, SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO.

I WILL GO DOWN TO SAN DIEGO.

FIRST, FIVE WILL INVITE US DOWN THERE DOING SOME TYPE OF EVENT AND WE'LL TAKE ALL OF OUR JUMPERS AND ARE SUPER FUN THINGS.

AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT WE DID AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT EXERCISE AND HEALTHY EATING HABITS.

WE'VE ALL OF OUR TEACHERS HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.

ALL OF OUR DIRECTORS HAVE A BACHELORS OR MASTER'S DEGREE AND A PROGRAM DIRECTOR PERMIT.

WE'RE ALL CREDENTIALED IN EVERY ONE OF THE CLASSROOMS. THERE ARE CERTIFICATED TEACHERS THROUGH THE BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA CREDENTIALING SYSTEM. MANY OF OUR STAFF HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME YOU HEAR ABOUT DAYCARE CENTERS OVER TURNING OVER. OUR AVERAGE TENURE RIGHT NOW IS FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.

BUT I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE 21.

SO THAT'S PRETTY INCREDIBLE AND QUALIFIED TEACHERS.

WE REQUIRE CHILDREN'S CENTER PERMITS.

WE HAVE FULL TIME COACHING FOR THEM AND THE COUNTY OFFICE OF EDUCATION PAYS EACH ONE OF THEM A STIPEND BECAUSE THEY ACHIEVE SUCH INCREDIBLE OUTCOMES.

WE DO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WELLNESS PROGRAM AT CORPORATE OFFICES.

WE HAVE A FULL EMPLOYEE GYM AND WE DO IN-SERVICE TRAININGS, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND ALL OF YOUR FACILITIES BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF HAVE OUTGROWN THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TOO BIG NOW, WHICH IS KIND OF FUN.

I NEVER IMAGINED WHEN I OPENED MY FIRST LITTLE PRESCHOOL THAT I WOULD HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY KIDS, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY FAMILIES IN NEED.

BRAND EQUITY ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE REALLY SUPER PROUD OF IS THAT WE DEVELOPED ACTIVITIES FOR PARENTS WHO ARE NOT ENROLLED.

SO DURING COVID, WE HAD TAKE HOME LEARNING KITS AND WE HAD ONLINE LEARNING CLASSES AND FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY COULD ALL GO.

THEY COULD DRIVE BY A CHILDREN'S PARADISE FOR FREE, PICK UP A TAKE HOME LEARNING KIT AND THEN SIGN IN. AND ONE OF THOSE TAKE HOME LEARNING KITS WAS ACTUALLY DINNER INGREDIENTS FOR DINNER FOR FOUR. AND THE THE LEARNING WAS A CHEF TELLING YOU HOW TO MAKE DINNER WITH YOUR KIDS. IT LOOKS LIKE MY TIME IS OUT.

WE'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF OTHER FUN THINGS THAT WE DO, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER MEENES? THANK YOU, CHAIR. QUICK QUESTION, I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE HOURS THAT YOU OPERATE.

IS THAT HOURS APPLICABLE TO ALL YOUR FACILITIES? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE DOING RECENTLY OR WHAT? SO WE HAVE DONE KIDS NIGHT OUT AT ALL OF OUR OTHER FACILITIES.

SUPER FUN. PARENTS LOVE IT.

AND SO WE'LL DO IT JUST SOMETIMES, LIKE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FALL AROUND CHRISTMASTIME SO PARENTS CAN GO SHOPPING.

IT'S KIND OF RANDOM.

WE'VE NEVER REALLY DABBLED IN AFTER HOURS CARE.

BUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA PUT A CALL OUT TO CENTERS AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RETAIL WORKERS AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS SPECIFIC ZONE, IT'S WHY WE CHOSE THIS LOT.

KOHL'S AND WALMART, A TRI CITY HOSPITAL, THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA, THE MALL THAT NEED AFTER HOURS CARE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.

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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICE THAT BIRTHDAY PARTIES, WHEN YOU'RE A KID IS KIND OF LIKE A RITE OF PASSAGE.

WELL, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE KIDS THAT DON'T EVER GET A BIRTHDAY PARTY? THE SPECIAL LIKE THAT THEIR PARENTS CAN AFFORD THAT IF THEY CAN AFFORD THE CAKE, THEY'RE LUCKY. SO THE WAY THAT WE BELIEVE IN EQUITY, BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S OUR JOB TO CREATE THAT.

AND SO WHAT WE DO AT CHILDREN'S PARADISE IS WE LITERALLY THROW BIRTHDAY PARTIES FOR EVERYBODY IN THE CLASSROOM SO THAT THEY ALL GET THIS SPECIAL BIRTHDAY PARTY AND IT'S THEIR SPECIAL DAY.

WE WANT THE FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO BE INVOLVED.

SOMETIMES THEY CAN. SOMETIMES THEY CAN'T GET OFF WORK.

WE'LL BE DOING BIRTHDAY PARTIES ON SATURDAYS.

WE'LL BE OPEN ALL DAY FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES.

WE'LL DO THEM DURING THE WEEK AND WE'LL GIVE VOUCHERS TO KIDS THAT CAN'T AFFORD A BIRTHDAY PARTY SO THAT THEY GET TO HAVE THEIR OWN SPECIAL DAY AS WELL.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON FOR THE HOURS.

AND SO THIS FACILITY THAT IS HERE IN CARLSBAD, ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED, WILL BE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THOSE EXTENDED HOURS? SO ONCE WE DIP OUR TOE IN THE WATER AND WE MAKE IT SPECTACULAR IN CARLSBAD, THEN WE WILL LOOK AT THE OTHER SITES AS WELL.

I THINK OUR EL NORTE SITE, OUR OCEANSIDE SIDE, OUR MELROSE SITE, THOSE SITES SPECIFICALLY ARE LARGE ENOUGH AND HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY.

I THINK WHEN YOU'RE STARTING SOMETHING NEW OR TRYING SOMETHING NEW, YOU NEED TO BE KIND OF A LITTLE BEEFIER.

I THINK I WOULD HAVE HESITATED AT THREE CENTERS, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON OUR SEVENTH LOCATION, I FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO BRING YOUR BUSINESS TO CARLSBAD, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THERE'S A HUGE NEED FOR CHILD CARE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY HERE IN NORTH COUNTY, AS YOU CAN SEE BY YOUR OVERFILLED, EVERY SINGLE CENTER THAT YOU HAVE IS AT CAPACITY. MY QUESTION IS THERE WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WHICH LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT YOU CAN BE OUTSIDE AND IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID THAT YOU CAN BE OUTSIDE WHILE INSIDE.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? AND IF THAT SATISFIES THE CONDITION? YES. SO OUR OUTSIDE WHILE INSIDE IS THAT WHEN YOU WALK IN OUR FRONT DOORS THERE, LA KENYATTA DOORS THAT OPEN UP.

SO WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE FACILITY, IT'S DESIGNED TO FEEL LIKE A PARK.

THERE'S A BIG TREE OVER THE RECEPTION AREA, THERE'S THE ROPES COMING DOWN THE WALL AND A BENCH THAT LOOKS LIKE A TREE SWING.

AND THEN THERE ARE TREES GOING DOWN THE HALLWAY.

SO YOU KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A PARK AND THE CLASSROOMS ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU GET TO GO INTO.

THAT'S THE ACTUAL HOUSE.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING THE OUTDOORS INDOORS.

WE HAD THE BENEFIT OF DESIGNING THIS DURING COVID.

AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE AIR EXCHANGE THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY WAS CONSISTENT AND CONSTANT SO THOSE DOORS COULD REMAIN OPEN.

THERE'S A DOOR IN THE BACK THAT CAN BE OPEN AS FAR AS OUTSIDE, PER SAY, THE PLAYGROUNDS I WOULDN'T SEE. I MEAN, IT'S FUN TO PLAY OUTSIDE IN THE DARK, I GUESS.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T BE OUT PAST EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, FOR SURE.

SO THERE IS A CLEAR INDOORS VERSUS OUTDOORS? YES. OK, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. COMMISSIONER MERZ? YEAH, THANK YOU ACTUALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION AT THE END IS IT STRUCK ME AS KIND OF STRANGE. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIDS PLAYING OUTSIDE.

WHY YOU NEED TO RESTRICT [INAUDIBLE] HOURS FOR NOISE.

I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A BIG SLOPE.

WAL-MART, A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL STREET, JUST SEEMED KIND OF ODD TO ME THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN THERE. BUT. SORRY ANSWER.

IT DOESN'T REALLY SOUND LIKE IT'S NECESSARY ANYWAYS.

SO YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION AT THE END OF YOUR LAST COMMENTS.

WELL, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OUT, WE WOULD LOVE THAT BECAUSE THEN THE BOY SCOUTS OR GIRL SCOUTS COULD HAVE CAMP OVERS IN THE PLAYGROUND.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE FUN. WELL, I GUESS IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU BRING IT UP BECAUSE I MEAN, SO OUR KIDS ELEMENTARY, WELL, OUT OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NOW.

BUT THEY HAD LIKE AN OVERNIGHT CAMP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

JUST YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE KIDS PLAYING AS KIND OF A JOYFUL NOISE.

THERE'S A LOT OF SEPARATION.

JUST IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE NOISE EVER BEING A PROBLEM BECAUSE JUST JUST BY THE SEPARATION, AND IT'S JUST KIDS PLAYING.

SO IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF ODD TO ME THAT THAT RESTRICTION WAS IN THERE. SO I MEAN.

YEAH. SO THAT WAS, YOU KIND OF ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO NEED KIDS PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO BE OUT THERE AT THAT TIME. AND I WOULD TELL YOU, PROBABLY THE ONE THING THAT WE PLAN TO DO IS WE PLAN TO HELP A KID BY BEING A KID, SO WE PLAN TO TO DO PARTIES FOR ADULTS.

THAT WOULD BE FUNDRAISERS FOR LOCAL CAUSES WITHIN CARLSBAD THAT YOU CARE ABOUT.

SO ON THOSE PARTICULAR OCCASIONS WILL PROBABLY APPLY FOR AN EXCEPTION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE ADULTS IN THE YARD AND WE CAN HAVE A PARTY AFTER HOURS, MAYBE.

BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, KIDS BEING OUTSIDE PAST EIGHT O'CLOCK.

I THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD WITH IT.

YEAH, JUST WHEN I READ IT THROUGH, I GO, WOW, WHY DO WE? WHY DO WE NEED THIS? IT JUST SEEMED LIKE KIND OF NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE IT IN THERE, BUT.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW OPEN THE HEARING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

MRS. FLORES, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS, SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT PORTION OF THE HEARING, AND I WILL ASK IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS EITHER OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. SEEING, NONE.

THEN LET'S GO TO COMMISSION DELIBERATIONS.

ANYBODY WANT TO GET US STARTED IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE WITH REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION? COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE THIS.

BRAVO TO YOU.

I HAVE A FOUR YEAR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER AND I KNOW HOW TRAUMATIC IT IS, EVEN FOR A GRANDPARENT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.

I WELCOME YOU TO CARLSBAD AND ALL THE BEST.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? YES, I HAVE TO SAY IT IS A PROJECT I THINK THAT'S WORTHY IN THE LOCATION, THAT IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.

I THINK IT'S ADMIRABLE AS TO THE TYPE OF PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING AT THE SITE. AND THEREFORE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEELS IN THE SAME. OK, I'LL TAKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION 7440 APPROVING SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SDP-2020-0005 BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED THEREIN.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

OK, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MEENES, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK THIS IS A MARVELOUS PROJECT AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION. I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH.

YOU GIVE IT EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

WE NEED HIGH QUALITY DAYCARE.

DAYCARE BUSINESSES LIKE YOU HAVE HERE AND WE WELCOME YOU TO CARLSBAD.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.

WOULD YOU PLEASE LOG IN YOUR VOTES, PLEASE? THE PROJECT HAS APPROVED WITH FIVE VOTES, YES AND TWO ABSENT.

SO CONGRATULATIONS.

WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

GIVE PEOPLE A MINUTE TO.

ALL RIGHT.

[2. ZCA 2022-0001/LCPA 2022-0013 – HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAMS – BUILDING AND ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE ]

YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO OUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM IS A PROJECT FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING CODE AND THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM, AND IT'S FOR HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAMS AND BUILDING IN ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATES. AND PRINCIPAL PLANNER ERIC [INAUDIBLE] IS HERE THIS EVENING TO MAKE THE STAFF PRESENTATION ON THE ITEM.

THANK YOU, AND GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE PRESENTATION I'LL GIVE TODAY.

FIRST, I'LL HIGHLIGHT AN OVERVIEW OF THE ACTIONS, THEN I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE BACKGROUND AND THE PROPOSED HOUSING ELEMENT.

THEN I WILL SUMMARIZE THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND THEN I WILL FINISH WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

FIRST, TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED ACTIONS, THERE'S A SEVERAL THINGS COMPONENT OF THIS. FIRST, IT WILL IMPLEMENT THREE HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAMS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE AMENDMENTS TO THE CARLSBAD ZONING ORDINANCE INCLUDED WITH THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CARLSBAD LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AND WILL BE PRESENTING AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 18, THE CARLSBAD BUILDING CODE FOR INFORMATION.

ON APRIL 6TH, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN UPDATE TO THE CITY'S HOUSING ELEMENT FOR THE SIXTH CYCLE TO COVER THE PERIOD FROM 2021 TO 2029.

SUBSEQUENTLY, IN JULY 2021, THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CERTIFIED THAT IS IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH STATE HOUSING ELEMENT LAWS.

THERE ARE THREE HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED EARLIER TO ENSURE CONTINUED COMPLIANCE WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT LAWS.

THE HOUSING ELEMENT INCLUDES GOALS, POLICIES, PROGRAMS AND OBJECTIVES.

GOALS ARE ARTICULATED AS END STATE CONDITIONS.

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AND THEN FINALLY, THERE ARE PROGRAMS AND OBJECTIVES THAT OUTLINE THE SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT THE CITY WILL TAKE TO ENSURE IMPLEMENTATION, AS WELL AS DEADLINES FOR WHEN THOSE NEED TO BE UNDERTAKEN.

NEXT, I'LL HIGHLIGHT A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

THE FIRST AMENDMENTS IMPLEMENT PROGRAM 1.6 (OBJECTIVE G).

THIS APPLIES TO THE REQUIREMENTS AND AUTHORIZATION FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND ARE INCLUDED IN CHAPTER 21.53.120 FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PERMITS.

OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, MANY BILLS HAVE PASSED THAT MODIFY THE AUTHORITY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO IMPOSE SUBJECTIVE STANDARDS.

GOVERNMENT CODE ESTABLISHES THE DEFINITION OF OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND SENATE BILL 35 AND SENATE BILL 330 APPLICATION, WHICH INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS.

OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE DEFINED BY THESE CODES AS REQUIREMENTS THAT INVOLVE NO PERSONAL OR SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT BY A PUBLIC OFFICIAL AND ARE UNIFORMLY VERIFIABLE BY REFERENCE TO AN EXTERNAL AND UNIFORM BENCHMARK OR CRITERION AVAILABLE AND KNOWABLE BY BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICANT AND PROPONENT AND THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL BEFORE SUBMITTAL.

THIS IS ALSO A PROGRAM THAT HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OUTLINED IS THAT THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY WATCHING THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT.

THE PROPOSED ACTIONS WILL MODIFY THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND CLARIFY THE AUTHORITIES FOR OBJECTIVE STANDARDS UNDER STATE LAW.

THE NEXT PROGRAM MODIFIES THREE SECTIONS TO IMPLEMENT PROGRAM 1.8 (OBJECTIVE C).

THE CITY'S LAND USE AND COMMUNITY DESIGN ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN CONTAINS IN TABLES AND DESCRIPTIONS ALLOWING MIXED USE, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONES, ALLOWING A SECONDARY USE OF A MINIMUM OF 15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

OBJECTIVE C REQUIRES THAT THE CITY UPDATE THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO DEFINE BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL MIXED USE IN THESE COMMERCIAL ZONES.

VERTICAL MIXED USE CAN BE DEFINED AS RESIDENTIAL USES BEING ALLOWED IN THE SAME BUILDING AS COMMERCIAL USES AND HORIZONTAL MIXED USE CAN BE DEFINED AS SEPARATE BUILDINGS ON THE SAME SITE. THIS CHANGE WILL DEFINE THESE USES AS SUCH AND APPLY TO THE C-1 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND, C-L LOCAL SHOPPING CENTER ZONE, BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANY USE OR INTENSITY AT ANY SPECIFIC SITE.

THE CHANGE WILL ALSO CLARIFY THAT THESE ARE ALLOWED ONLY AS ACCESSORY AS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION SECTION ALREADY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE LAST CHANGE IS BEING PRESENTED AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM, WHICH WOULD AMEND TITLE 18, WHICH IS THE CITY'S ADOPTED BUILDING CODE.

THE PROGRAM IS 1.6 (OBJECTIVE F), WHICH REQUIRES THAT THE CITY EXPAND SELF-CERTIFICATION, BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS AND INSPECTION FOR QUALIFYING PROJECTS.

THIS CHANGE IS NEEDED TO AMEND TITLE 18 AND ADD CHAPTERS 18.04 AND 18.20 TO CLARIFY THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR SELF CERTIFICATION INSPECTIONS.

IT WILL NOT CHANGE WHO IS ALLOWED TO SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH IS ALLOWED TO BE SUBMITTED BY A QUALIFIED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, WHICH CAN COME FROM A VARIETY OF LICENSED DESIGN PROFESSIONALS.

WHILE THE AMENDMENT CALLS OUT LICENSED ENGINEERS AND CONTRACTORS, THERE COULD BE OTHERS IDENTIFIED, SUCH AS ARCHITECTS, WHEN THEY MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR INSPECTIONS.

OUR BUILDING DIVISION WILL SET UP AN APPROPRIATE PREQUALIFICATION PROCESS ONCE THIS CODE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

THE NEXT STEP IS TO PRESENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS EXPECTED IN APRIL OF 2022.

IN ADDITION, WE WILL CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMS IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND THE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THROUGHOUT THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

AS YOU KNOW, THE LARGEST OF THOSE ITEMS IS PROGRAM ONE POINT ONE, THE REZONING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ALLOCATION, WHICH IS DUE IN APRIL 2024, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THAT PROJECT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN EARLY 2023.

THE PROPOSED ACTION IS TO ADOPT AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 21 AND THE ASSOCIATED LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AMENDMENT.

THE CITY PLANNER REVIEWED AND DETERMINED THAT THE ITEM IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED GENERAL PLAN PROGRAM EIR AND THE ADDENDUM ADOPTED IN APRIL 21, ALONG WITH THE HOUSING

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WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OF MR. [INAUDIBLE]? I DO A LITTLE BIT HERE.

CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHY WE'RE GOING FROM A MORE SUBJECTIVE STANDARD TO OBJECTIVE STANDARDS? WHY IS THE FOCUS ON THAT? THAT'S A FOCUS THAT'S BEEN IN A NUMBER OF HOUSING BILLS STATEWIDE, AND AS THEY'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT HOUSING PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THERE'S BEEN REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE APPLIED AND ON VARIOUS DEGREES, ON DIFFERENT HOUSING PROJECTS.

THE FOCUS AND REALLY THE INTENT OF THOSE IS THAT NEW STANDARDS ARE NOT ADDED DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT WOULD REDUCE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR ANY PROJECTS. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING TRICKLING DOWN BECAUSE OF STATE LEGISLATION DEALING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DENSITY BONUSES, RIGHT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. ANYTHING FURTHER? COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? THANK YOU. SO WE APPROVED OUR HOUSING ELEMENT A YEAR AGO, ALMOST A YEAR AGO TODAY, AND IN THAT HOUSING ELEMENT, IT CONTAINS A ROUGH SKETCH OF THESE PROGRAMS AND CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY.

IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? YES, IT IS. IT INCLUDED THE PROGRAMS AND THE INTENT OF THOSE PROGRAMS DID NOT INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE ITSELF.

WE WORKED ON THAT SUBSEQUENTLY.

OK, SO THE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY IS BASICALLY THE.

LEGALLY IS BEHIND WHAT WE ALREADY APPROVED A YEAR AGO.

WE'RE JUST TAKING IT UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL NOW.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MEENES? MR. [INAUDIBLE], IN REGARD TO THE OBJECTIVES, WE HAVE THREE THIS EVENING AND WHAT TIME FRAME DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE REMAINDER OF THE OBJECTIVES COMING BACK TO US OVER THE SPAN OF A YEAR OR MORE? IT VARIES ON THE OBJECTIVE AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT'S REQUIRED TO IT. IT'S AN EIGHT YEAR HOUSING CYCLE.

HOWEVER, A MAJORITY OF THOSE OBJECTIVES ARE REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS. THE INTENT IS THAT THEY WOULD STILL BE IN EFFECT THROUGHOUT THE HOUSING CYCLE TO PRODUCE THE HOUSING ITSELF.

THE LARGEST ONE THAT PROGRAM 1.1 REZONE PROGRAM IS A THREE YEAR OBJECTIVE.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER, EITHER MR. [INAUDIBLE] OR A CITY PLANNER NEU, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, WHO WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT, HAD SOME COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS WITH REGARD TO POSSIBLE CHANGES IN THE BUILDING CODE, WITH STAFF COMMENT ON THAT PLEASE.

YES, WE REVIEWED THAT AND DISCUSSED INTERNALLY, AND WE DO THINK THAT THE HOW WE'VE WRITTEN IT, ANY ANY DESIGN PROFESSIONAL THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR INSPECTIONS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO SUBMIT. THIS IS ONLY FOCUSED ON INSPECTIONS, NOT WHO'S ELIGIBLE TO SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT. AND SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FROM THERE.

WE'VE ALSO TALKED WITH OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SETTING UP A CERTIFICATION PROCESS.

SO SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO SELF CERTIFY WOULD GET PRE-AUTHORIZATION AS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND TRAINING AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT.

OK, SO YOU'RE FINE WITH THE LANGUAGE AS PROPOSED THEN, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I WOULD SAY I WOULD OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT WE HAVE AN EMPTY COUNCIL CHAMBERS OTHER THAN STAFF, SO I DON'T THINK WE RECEIVED IN, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS, RIGHT MRS. FLORES.

NO, SIR. OK. ALL RIGHT.

OPEN IT UP FOR COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO LEAD IT OFF? MR. SABELLICO? I MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEENES.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES FIVE AND WITH TWO ABSTENTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HARDY. WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

[3. AGRICULTURAL CONVERSION MITIGATION FEE COMMITTEE VACANCY ]

MR. NEU, WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THAT? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST FOR THE COMMISSION TO NOMINATE A MEMBER TO SERVE ON THE AGRICULTURAL CONVERSION MITIGATION FEE COMMITTEE.

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COMMISSIONER MEENES HAS BEEN THE COMMISSION'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THAT GROUP, SO HE COULD PROBABLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT TIME COMMITMENTS AND THINGS TO A BETTER DEGREE THAN I COULD.

BUT AT THIS TIME, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THE COMMISSION NOMINATE A MEMBER AND THEN THE COUNCIL WOULD CONFIRM THE NOMINATION AT AN UPCOMING COUNCIL HEARING.

COMMISSIONER MERZ. YEAH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, MAYBE IF COMMISSIONER MEENES COULD DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT? AND THEN I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE OR YOU'D LIKE TO PASS IT ON? OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE HAD EXPERIENCE IN DOING THAT.

YOU KNOW, SO I THINK A LOT OF IT DEPENDS.

I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT YOUR DESIRE IS IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE OR PASS IT.

YES, I'VE ACTUALLY MY ENTIRE TIME ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I'VE BEEN FOR YEARS ON THIS COMMITTEE.

AND SO THEREFORE I WOULD SAY THAT THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT'S NECESSARY AS TO EACH AND EVERY MEETING, THE FIRST YEAR, I THINK WE MET TWICE OUT OF THE ENTIRE YEAR, SECOND YEAR.

I THINK ONCE. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A COMMITMENT.

SO I THINK THE ONLY ONE YEAR WE DID THREE MEETINGS.

BUT WHAT WE DO, WHAT THE COMMITTEE BASICALLY DOES IS THAT THERE IS A COLLECTION OF FUNDS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT GO INTO A FUND.

ALL THE APPLICATIONS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FROM APPLICANTS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY FOR FOR THE FUNDS, WE REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS.

THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED DURING THE FOUR YEARS I WAS ON ON THE COMMITTEE WERE BASICALLY THE BACCHUS LAGOON FOUNDATION, [INAUDIBLE] LAGOON FOUNDATION, BUENA VISTA LAGOON FOUNDATION.

AND SO WHAT THEY'VE USED THE FUNDS FOR EACH AND EVERY TIME WAS FOR EITHER IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE LAGOON AREA, AGUA [INAUDIBLE], FOR EXAMPLE, THE FUNDS THAT THEY RECEIVED THAT WE APPROVED WERE USED PRIMARILY FOR IMPROVEMENTS OF SOME OF THE TRAILS WITHIN THE COMPOUND, THEY SHOULD CALL IT, IN ADDITION TO THAT SIGNAGE THAT THEY PUT ON THE TRAILS AND WITHIN THE AREA AS WELL, THAT [INAUDIBLE] AGAIN WAS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRAILS ITSELF AND SIGNAGE. SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THEY APPLY FOR.

AND THERE'S MONIES IN THE FUND CURRENTLY, AND I'M SURE THAT THERE WAS APPLICANTS WILL COME BACK AGAIN WITH WITH PROJECTS.

SO IT'S BASICALLY THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO ANSWERING TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, I WOULD SAY THAT AFTER FOUR YEARS, I'D LIKE TO HAND OFF THE BATON TO SOMEONE ELSE.

I THINK IN REVIEWING, IF YOU RECALL, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'VE NOMINATED MANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS TO BE ON VARIOUS COMMITTEES.

AND SO THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL THAT I RECALL THAT IS NOT ON A COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME IS COMMISSIONER MERTZ.

AND SO THEREFORE, I WOULD NOMINATE COMMISSIONER MERTZ TO BE ON THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE.

COMMISSIONER MERZ, DO YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE? YEAH, I THINK I CAME IN AND I'VE REALLY THOROUGHLY ENJOYED BEING ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.

ONE THAT WAS SAID TO BE A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE THAN, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE HERE, THEY SAID. I GUESS MY THOUGHT IN COMING TO ME TONIGHT IS THAT IF COMMISSIONER MEENES WOULD LIKE TO HAND IT OFF AND I'M NOT WANT TO BE, I'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO IT IF YOU WANT TO STAY ON.

I'M FINE, BUT IF THAT'S WHERE YOU.

I HEAR HE WANTS TO PASS THE BATON.

OK. THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

HAVING SOME TROUBLE. I GUESS.

OK, I'LL TRY IT AGAIN.

I'M GETTING FLASHING LIGHTS.

NOTHING'S LOCKING IN.

OK. SHOULD WE ALL VOTE AGAIN? OK. START AGAIN.

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CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONER MERZ.

DID YOU STILL WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, I HAVE YOU ON THE SCREEN HERE? OK.

[4. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TIME ]

IT'S A PROCEDURAL ITEM WITH REGARD TO THE STARTING TIME OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.

WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THAT MR. NEU? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO YOU'RE CORRECT.

OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM IS A DISCUSSION OF THE STARTING TIME FOR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. IT WAS REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE ITEM BE AGENDIZED.

THE PACKAGE THAT WE PROVIDED FOR YOU INCLUDES A BLANK IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURES FOR THE START TIME, SO IT'S LEFT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER A TIME AND IT CAN BE INSERTED. I THINK THE REASON THE TOPIC RESURFACED BECAUSE I THINK THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THE TOPIC WAS THAT THE COUNCIL RECENTLY CHANGED TO A FIVE O'CLOCK START TIME.

SO WITH THAT, THE THE ITEM IS OPEN FOR YOU TO SELECT A TIME THAT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR LEAVE IT AS AS YOU SEE FIT.

THE STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM.

WE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF APPRECIATION OF THE EARLIER START TIMES ON EVERYBODY'S PART, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO DO THIS EARLIER IN THE DAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING IT'S A BALANCING ACT WITH THE ABILITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND A HEARING.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID POLL AND A LOT OF CITIES WERE STAYING IN THE IN THE EVENING.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT CHECKED TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN A MASS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE GONE IN AND OUT OF THE DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS ON PUBLIC MEETINGS.

AND AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAS GIVEN DIRECTION TO SUBORDINATE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS ON THIS ISSUE AS TO THEIR PREFERENCE? NO, THEY HAVE NOT.

I DID CONSULT KIND OF THE EXISTING LIST THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE CONSIDERING THE TOPIC, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE MEETING. I KNOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE BEACH RESERVATIONS AT FOUR O'CLOCK.

MANY OF THE COMMISSIONS WERE AT SIX, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A VARIETY, BUT I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, MOST ARE IN THE IN THE EVENING OR AT LEAST LATE AFTERNOON.

IT LOOKS LIKE PARKS AND REC WAS AT 5:30, LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT FOUR P.M.

SENIOR COMMISSION AT THREE P.M.

SO I WOULD SAY MID TO LATE AFTERNOON ON IS KIND OF THE NORM.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MEENES? YES. AT OUR LAST MEETING, I THINK I BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF HAVING THIS AGENDA.

I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE A LOT OF WHAT I HAD SAID AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, BUT I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN IN ALIGNMENT, OFTEN WITH MEETING TIMES WITH THAT, THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO THEREFORE, I THINK THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK LAST TIME IN SEPTEMBER WAS TO REMAIN AT THE SIX O'CLOCK HOUR BECAUSE COUNCIL MET AT SIX O'CLOCK HOUR.

WITH COUNCIL'S ACTION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN REGARD TO HAVING THEIR IN-PERSON MEETING BE AT FIVE O'CLOCK. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FALL IN ALIGNMENT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THAT OUR MEETINGS BE AT FIVE O'CLOCK AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, YOUR THOUGHTS? THANK YOU. TWO QUESTIONS.

DO WE KNOW WHAT PRECIPITATED THE COUNCIL MOVE TO FIVE O'CLOCK? SECOND, IS IT PERMANENT OR JUST AN INTERIM POSITION? MR. NEU? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S PERMANENT.

IT WASN'T A TEMPORARY ADJUSTMENT AND I BELIEVE IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY WERE SPENDING ON THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT THEY WERE FINDING IT WAS RUNNING, YOU KNOW, BEYOND SORT OF A, I GUESS, A FOUR HOUR WINDOW THAT THE TYPICAL MEETING WAS SCHEDULED FOR.

SO I THINK THEY FELT RATHER THAN GOING LATER INTO THE EVENING WHEN PEOPLE MAYBE ARE GETTING TIRED, THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT HOW THEY THOUGHT THROUGH DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS. SO I THINK IT WAS REALLY ABOUT TRYING NOT TO BE THERE, YOU KNOW, PAST, I WOULD ASSUME, NINE 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO 11 OR LATER.

THANK YOU. WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST YEAR, AND AS MOST OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE EARLIER, THE BETTER.

BUT FIVE O'CLOCK WOULD BE, I THINK, PREFERABLE TO SIX.

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COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? I BELIEVE I MADE A VERY IMPASSIONED PLEA THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS TO ALIGN WITH THE COUNCIL. AND YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ON FIVE VERSUS SIX NOTWITHSTANDING, I THINK I WOULD BE A BIG HYPOCRITE IF I DIDN'T WANT TO SUPPORT THEM.

THE THE MOTION TO SET OUR MEETING TIME AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

SO IF THERE WAS A MOTION, WAS THERE A MOTION YET? YES. YES, IT WAS.

WELL, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN MADE THE MOTION? NO, I DIDN'T. COMMISSIONER MEENES MADE THE MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'M GOING TO BE SECONDED IT, I BELIEVE.

OH, REALLY? OK. OK.

SORRY. OK. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MEENES.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.

ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? NO. I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

THAT'S ALL. COMMISSIONER MERZ? YEAH, I AGREE, I THINK THIS JUST A PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE LAST THING WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, WE'RE IN LINE WITH THE COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE SMART THING TO DO.

SO I SUPPORT THAT. MY THOUGHT, I DON'T HAVE STRONG FEELINGS EITHER WAY ON THIS.

THERE WOULD BE ONE ADVANTAGE OF KEEPING THAT SIX THAT I WOULD SEE AND THAT WOULD BE ALLOWING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COME HOME IF THEY WORKED A TYPICAL 8-5, 9-5 TYPE JOB AND COME HOME CHANGE, GET SOMETHING TO BITE, TO EAT AND COME TO THE COMMISSION MEETINGS.

SO I WOULD SEE THAT AS A BIT OF ADVANTAGE IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC.

BUT MYRON, IN THE BIG PICTURE, DOES IT REALLY MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE? NO. APPARENTLY EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE DAIS HERE IS FINE WITH FIVE O'CLOCK.

COUNCIL IS FIVE O'CLOCK.

I CAN GO WITH THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE.

MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE WERE GOING TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT ALL.

JUST FOR CALLING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SEEING NONE. LET'S GO BACK.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MERZ, IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE? OK.

MOTION PASSED 5-0.

SO WE WILL BE HAVING OUR MEETINGS, THEN START AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

CAN WE START THERE IN THE NEXT MEETING IN APRIL BY DIRECTOR? OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, OK. MOVING ON TO WE FINISHED OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS AND OUR DEPARTMENT ITEMS. FINAL COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FINAL COMMENTS?

[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS: ]

LET ME JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NICE TO BE BACK AFTER BEING AWAY FOR TWO YEARS, WE'RE FINALLY BACK IN CHAMBERS. I'VE GOT MY FINGERS AND MY TOES CROSSED THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP BACK IN CHAMBERS AND COVID WON'T ESCALATE TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO ZOOM.

ZOOM IS FINE, BUT IT WAS A MAKE DO MEASURE AND IT'S CERTAINLY BETTER TO SEE PEOPLE HERE IN CHAMBERS AND HAVE OUR MEETINGS IN PERSON.

AND YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS IS A LONG TIME, FOLKS, AND I'M JUST REALLY HAPPY TO BE BACK.

SECOND OF ALL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COMMISSIONERS SABELLICO AND LAFFERTY ARE GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA'S PLANNING COMMISSION RETREAT ACADEMY, WHATEVER CALL IT. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO GREAT.

MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT WHEN YOU GET BACK, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS IN MID-MARCH. IS THAT RIGHT? OK, THAT YOU GIVE US A LITTLE PRESENTATION ON WHAT YOU LEARNED, PASS ON ANY MATERIALS SO WE CAN BENEFIT FROM WHATEVER YOU TOOK AWAY FROM THAT ACADEMY.

IF YOU WOULD DO THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

COULD YOU DO THAT? IT WOULD BE MY PLEASURE.

THANK YOU. AND THEN THE FINAL AND COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, YOU HAVE A COMMENT.

THE IDEA OF HAVING A SPRING SOCIAL FOR COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE FOR US TO GET TOGETHER SOCIALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBERS AT A TIME WE WOULD HAVE TO.

CONSISTENT WITH THE BROWN ACT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO IT AT A TIME WHERE THERE'S NO AGENDA OUT, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING DISCUSSED.

THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY BROWN ACT COMPLICATIONS.

I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER ON A PERSONAL LEVEL OUTSIDE OF OUR MEETINGS.

AND SO I'M GOING TO GIVE IT SOME FURTHER THOUGHT, BUT I'M THINKING COVID PERMITTING,

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SO THAT'S AN IDEA I'M GOING TO.

I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR DATE NOW IN MIND, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.

AND AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH I THINK WILL BE IN APRIL, I HOPE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC THOUGHT IN TERMS OF A TIME, DATE AND LOCATION.

COMMISSIONER MEENES, YOU HAD SOME THOUGHTS.

COUNSELOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT IN REGARD TO OUR CHAIR'S COMMENTS THIS EVENING IN REGARD TO THAT IN REGARD TO THE BROWN ACT? WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MATTERS THAT ARE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR COULD POTENTIALLY BE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A VIOLATION OF THE BROWN ACT. I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S USUALLY HAPPENED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACADEMY WHEN PEOPLE IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD ALMOST ALL THE COMMISSIONERS GO.

AND SO YOU DO HAVE TIME WHERE YOU GO OUT TO DINNER AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO IF IT'S ALONG THOSE LINES, IT'S PROBABLY OK.

AND I WILL EMPHASIZE PROBABLY AND RESERVE THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU NO NEXT TIME.

OK. BUT ON THE SURFACE OF IT, AS LONG AS YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT DISCUSSING CARLSBAD PENDING PROJECTS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, YOU'RE PROBABLY OK.

THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. MR. KEMP HAVING IT AT A WEEK IN WHICH THE AGENDA IS NOT OUT FOR THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. WOULDN'T THAT PRETTY MUCH OBVIATE THE BROWN ACT ISSUES? NOT NECESSARILY, NO.

THERE COULD BE ISSUES CITYWIDE THAT WOULD COME UP THAT YOU MIGHT FEEL COMPELLED TO TALK ABOUT SINCE YOU ALL LIVE HERE, THAT COULD IMPACT THE WORK ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO. YOU HAVE MORE IN FRONT OF YOU AT TIMES THAN JUST THE NEXT AGENDA.

OK. BUT JUST LIKE WE DO AT THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, IF WE KEEP IT TO A SOCIAL AFFAIR, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, WE COULD WORK AROUND THOSE ISSUES, COULDN'T WE? I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO RESEARCH AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

YOU'RE TRYING TO BOX ME IN, COUNSELOR.

HE WON'T BE PINNED DOWN, THAT'S FINE.

GIVE IT SOME FURTHER THOUGHT.

I'VE GIVEN YOU MY ANSWER TONIGHT.

OK, IF YOU'D GIVE IT SOME FURTHER THOUGHT BEFORE I GIVE IT SOME FURTHER THOUGHT IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'D MEET, WHEN WE'D MEET THAT TYPE OF THING, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. AND COMMISSIONER MEENES, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING MORE? I YES, I DO.

MR. NEU, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONG STAFF AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF A WORKSHOP IN THE NEAR FUTURE? YES. SO WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT SCHEDULING AND SEE WHAT WOULD WORK.

ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE IT DURING LIKE AN AFTERNOON AS OPPOSED TO AN EVENING. SO WE'LL, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET SOME TENTATIVE LOGISTICS FIGURED OUT, WE'LL EMAIL YOU ALL AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S AVAILABLE BEFORE WE LOCK SOMETHING IN PLACE.

BUT OK, SECOND QUESTION THEN IN REGARD TO THE CONTENT OF THAT WORKSHOP, WILL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY INPUT IN REGARD TO SUBJECT MATTER AND OR ANY ITEMS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED DURING THAT TIME? SURE. I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO RETURN TO YOU WITH IS A WORK PROGRAM FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR.

SO FOR JULY FORWARD AND ON THE CURRENT PLAN, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO GOING THROUGH AND SEEING WHAT WAS COMPLETED IN THE CURRENT PLAN.

WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON THERE AND OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE THE DISCUSSION WAS WE WANTED TO DO THAT IN PERSON AT THE TIME.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, I THINK THERE WERE SOME GENERAL DIRECTION PROVIDED AT THAT POINT. SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS SEND THAT OUT TO YOU WITH SOME IDEAS FOR WHAT WE'D COVER AND THEN SOLICIT YOUR FEEDBACK AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THE AFTERNOON. NO, I DON'T HAVE TO ASK MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH WAS IN REGARD TO THE WORK PLAN. I NOTICED A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE REVIEWED AND SUBMITTED THEIR WORK PLANS ALREADY.

AND SO I WAS WONDERING IN REGARD TO OURS, BUT YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. AND THEN I GUESS I'D JUST BRING UP THAT WHATEVER WORKSHOP WE DO WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO NOTICE IT AND LIST THE TOPICS IN WHICH WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS AHEAD OF TIME.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.

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ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, MR. KEMP? NO, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.

OKAY, THANK YOU ALL.

WELCOME BACK. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.