[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] THE MARCH 22ND COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. AND COULD THE CLERK PLEASE TAKE ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN. PRESENT. MAYOR HALL, PRESENT. COULD WE ALL PLEASE RISE AND MR. BLACKBURN WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG. AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MINUTES TONIGHT. [PRESENTATIONS] SO WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT TO OUR PRESENTATION. AND IT'S A RECOGNITION OF THE SOROPTIMIST 75TH ANNIVERSARY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MS. DENISE MUELLER IF YOU'D COME TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BEGIN TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. AND I KNOW IT'S VERY EXCITING WHEN YOU INVITE US TO COME TO OCEANSIDE AND BE SERVERS. SO. YES. OUR FAMOUS SALAD LUNCHEON. YES. YES. SO WITH THAT, LET ME READ THE PROCLAMATION TO YOU, THEN I'LL INVITE YOU TO SAY A FEW WORDS. WHEREAS THE SOROPTIMIST INTERNATIONAL OF OCEANSIDE, CARLSBAD, WAS CHARTERED ON MAY 29TH, 1947, AND WILL BE CELEBRATING THEIR 75TH YEAR OF SERVICE TO WOMEN AND GIRLS IN OCEANSIDE, CARLSBAD AND CAMP PENDLETON. WHEREAS, SOROPTIMIST INTERNATIONAL IS A WORLDWIDE ORGANIZATION FOR BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL WOMEN WHO WORK TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF WOMEN AND GIRLS LOCALLY AND AROUND THE WORLD. WHEREAS, SOROPTIMIST INTERNATIONAL OF OCEANSIDE, CARLSBAD, IS ONE OF 42 CLUBS IN THE DESERT COAST REGION, WHICH IS ONE OF 28 REGIONS IN SOROPTIMIST INTERNATIONAL OF AMERICAS, AND NOW HAS 160,000 MEMBERS IN 21 COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD. WHEREAS SOROPTIMIST ARE LEADERS IN THEIR COMMUNITY JOINING WITH THE WOMEN AND ENGAGING IN AWARENESS, ADVOCACY AND ACTION TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. WHEREAS SOROPTIMIST LIVE YOUR DREAM AWARDS PROJECTS HELP WOMEN WHO PROVIDE THE PRIMARY SUPPORT FOR THEIR FAMILIES BY GIVING THEM THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO IMPROVE THEIR EDUCATION, SKILLS AND EMPLOYMENT PROSPECTS. WHEREAS SOROPTIMIST DREAM IT BE IT SUPPORT FOR GIRLS PROJECTS GIVES GIRLS THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO ACHIEVE THEIR EDUCATION, CAREER GOALS, EMPOWERING THEM TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF POVERTY AND END VIOLENCE AND ABUSE. NOW, THEREFORE, I MATT HALL, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, COMMENDS SOROPTIMIST INTERNATIONAL FOR 75 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE CARLSBAD COMMUNITY. AGAIN, WE THANK YOU. AND WOULD YOU PLEASE SAY A FEW WORDS? [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, I AM DEFINITELY HONORED TO BE HERE AS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE SOROPTIMIST, AND INTERNATIONAL OCEANSIDE CARLSBAD CLUB RECOGNIZING OUR 75 YEARS OF BENEFITING WOMEN AND GIRLS IN CARLSBAD AND ALSO OCEANSIDE. OUR CLUB HAS JUST SHY OF 60 MEMBERS AND REPRESENT PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS WOMEN, RETIREES, ENTREPRENEURS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WITH A HEART TO SERVE. AND WE DO HAVE A FEW MEMBERS HERE. SO I ASK THEM, I KNOW THEY CAN'T COME UP, BUT IF THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND STAND. SO THESE ARE SOME OF JUST A FEW OF OUR MEMBERS THAT WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE THIS EVENING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] SOROPTIMIST DOES TRANSFORM THE LIVES AND STATUS OF WOMEN AND GIRLS THROUGH EDUCATION, EMPOWERMENT AND ENABLING OPPORTUNITIES. YOU PRETTY MUCH COVERED OUR MISSION, OUR VISION AND OUR MAIN PROGRAMS IN THERE. BUT SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS IS THAT WE ARE AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION AND ACTUALLY OUR INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION CELEBRATED 100 YEARS LAST YEAR. IT WAS FOUNDED BY VIOLET RICHARDSON IN 1921 IN OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA, AND SHE WAS A TRUE TRAILBLAZER FOR WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP. TODAY, WE ALREADY READ THE INFORMATION ON HOW MANY CLUBS, HOW MANY MEMBERS, WHICH IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS AT THE INTERNATIONAL LEVEL THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T HEARD OF SOROPTIMIST, WE'VE HEARD OF ROTARY, WE'VE HEARD OF OTHER CLUBS OF THAT NATURE. AND WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE AT THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL, INCLUDING INTERNATIONALLY, BECAUSE WE ALSO HOLD SOROPTIMIST INTERNATIONAL HOLDS A GENERAL CONSULTATIVE STATUS AT THE UNITED [00:05:04] NATIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES IN ALL SEVEN MAJOR OFFICES. AND THIS ALLOWS SOROPTIMIST TO ATTEND HIGH LEVEL POLITICAL FORUMS AND WORK WITH MULTINATIONAL GOVERNMENTS TO INFLUENCE AGENDA. FOR DECADES, WE HAVE CREATED AND SUPPORTED INTERNATIONAL GRASSROOTS PROJECTS. WE CHAMPION ISSUES CONCERNING HUMAN TRAFFICKING, CLEAN WATER AND SANITATION, QUALITY EDUCATION FOR ALL, AND SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT TO NAME A FEW. WE ARE KNOWN TO BE AN ON THE GROUND CITIZENS WHO WORK WITH PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST FUNDRAISERS. SO WE ARE HONORED VERY MUCH TO BE REPRESENTED OR TO BE HONORED TODAY WITH OUR 75 YEARS OF SERVICE. I KNOW MANY OF YOU. I'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I'VE BEEN A SOROPTIMIST MEMBER FOR 25 YEARS IN THE SAME CLUB. AND SO WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE SUPPORT AND ALSO BEING HONORED TODAY, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] AGAIN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO REPORTABLE ACTION. MS. BREWER FOR CLOSED SESSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR WE HAVE NO REPORTABLE ACTION FROM TONIGHT'S CLOSED SESSION. OKAY. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO [PUBLIC COMMENT] COMMENT ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY PROVIDING COMMENTS AS PROVIDED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE COMMENTS AS REQUESTED UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ALL OTHER NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING. IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT. NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON THESE ITEMS. WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. HOWEVER, WE ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND THAT THIS CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED. WITH THAT. DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? YES, MAYOR. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS [INAUDIBLE] FOLLOWED BY PAUL PUBLIC. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. I LIVE OFF OF [INAUDIBLE] IN DISTRICT THREE. TODAY I'M HERE TO DISCUSS AN ISSUE THAT REMAINS VERY CLOSE TO MY HEART, MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY ISSUE HERE IN CARLSBAD. I REMEMBER EVER SINCE I WAS LITTLE, WALKING DOWN THE DOWNTOWN STREETS OR ALONGSIDE PARKS, WATCHING THOSE IN NEED. STRUGGLING DUE TO ADDICTION, EMPLOYMENT ISSUES OR MENTAL HEALTH. I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY MANY PEOPLE WALK PAST THEM WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE PRESENCE OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LESS THAN ANY OF US. IT BROKE MY HEART THAT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WERE UNABLE TO SIMPLY PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLE DUE TO THEIR LACK OF OPPORTUNITY IN THEIR CURRENT SITUATIONS. SINCE THE START OF THIS PANDEMIC, ALMOST ONE THIRD OF SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE CLOSED THROUGHOUT AMERICA, LEAVING ALMOST 16% OF THE POPULATION IN CARLSBAD UNEMPLOYED, SPECIFICALLY FIVE TIMES WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. NOW ALTHOUGH THOSE SITUATIONS DIFFER AND MANY SIGNIFICANT ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN PUT INTO PLACE, I ASK THAT YOU, AS REPRESENTATIVES IN THE ONE THAT WE TRUST, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE TRUE FEELINGS AND THE TOUGH SITUATIONS OF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. AS THE PANDEMIC SLOWLY COMES TO AN END AND EVERYTHING RETURNS TO NORMALCY, WE MUST ALLOW THOSE DISPLACED TO ONCE AGAIN REJOIN SOCIETY. ALTHOUGH PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE EMERGENCY HOTEL VOUCHER PILOT PROGRAM HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND SHOWED UPSIDE, THE SOLUTION IS NOTHING BUT A TEMPORARY FIX TO THIS CONTINUOUS ISSUE. INSTEAD, I BELIEVE THE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE OF PRIMARY FOCUS BECAUSE IT SPECIALIZES IN THE MEDIUM TERM RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND TRULY ALLOWS THE HOMELESSNESS TO ONCE AGAIN GET ON THEIR FEET. FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A CONTINGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT GRANTS THE ESSENTIALS SUCH AS FOOD, CLOTHES AND ACCESS TO A SECURE HOUSING SYSTEM TO THOSE THAT, SAY, CLEAN OFF OF DRUGS AND SHOW MOTIVATION TO TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR LIFE. WITH 72% OF THE HOMELESS, WITH 72% OF THE HOMELESS DEMOGRAPHIC HERE IN CARLSBAD ACCEPTING GOVERNMENT PROVIDED ASSISTANCE SERVICES AND 38% OF THESE PEOPLE STRUGGLING FROM A DISABILITY. I BELIEVE THAT WITH A CONTINGENCY PLAN SUCH AS THIS, WE WILL BE DOING THE HOMELESS PEOPLE OF CARLSBAD, A MAJOR SERVICE, IN PROVIDING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY ONCE NEVER HAD. REGARDLESS OF YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATION, WE ALL MUST RECOGNIZE THE SUFFERING OF THESE DISPLACED CITIZENS AND OFFER THEM A HAND. ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK BOTH THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR TIME AND TRULY CONSIDER WHAT I HAVE MENTIONED. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PAUL PUBLIC, FOLLOWED BY MIKE [INAUDIBLE]. MY NAME IS PAUL PUBLIC. THANKS, FAVIOLA, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE BEING HERE TONIGHT. I JUST REALLY WANTED TO COME HERE ON BEHALF OF FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS. [00:10:03] WE RUN A LITTLE FLAG FOOTBALL ORGANIZATION OVER THE LAST 11 YEARS IN CARLSBAD COACH MCNEILL, THAD MCNEILL. HE IS THE OTHER COMMISSIONER OF OUR FLAG FOOTBALL LEAGUE. HE'S ALSO THE HEAD COACH OF CARLSBAD FOOTBALL. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE OUT HERE IN THE CROWD THAT ACTUALLY PLAY IN OUR LEAGUE. THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO COME TONIGHT AND JUST EXTOLL YOUR VIRTUES IS BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF CITIES AMONG THE PARKS AND REC BOARD FOR SAN DIEGO COUNTY, AND I WORK WITH MUNICIPALITIES FOR MY REAL JOB. THERE WERE A LOT OF CITIES THAT DID NOT OPERATE HOW CARLSBAD PARKS AND REC DID DURING THE COVID, ESPECIALLY IN THE BEGINNING. CARLSBAD PARKS AND REC. KYLE LANCASTER. MIKE PACHECO, KEVIN [INAUDIBLE]. THEY ALL JUST DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO MAKE SURE THAT KIDS WERE OFF OF SCREENS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND EVEN IF WE HAD TO WEAR MASKS, EVEN IF WE HAD TO SANITIZE OUR WHOLE BODY, WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT KIDS COULD BE ACTIVE DURING THAT TIME, THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND. AND THIS IS PROBABLY A LONG TIME OVERDUE. COMING HERE TO TALK TO YOU GUYS, BUT JUST ON BEHALF OF COACH MCNEILL AND MYSELF AND THE 40,000 KIDS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR PROGRAM IN THE LAST 11 YEARS, YOU KNOW, IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. PARKS AND REC AND CARLSBAD IS JUST DIFFERENT. THE LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATION THAT KYLE THAT PERMEATES FROM KYLE DOWN TO ALL OF THE SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS THAT WE GET TO WORK WITH. WE JUST ARE REALLY, REALLY BLESSED BECAUSE THERE'S JUST THIS SPIRIT OF THE KIDS ARE WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT HERE. AND WHEN THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES AND A LOT OF RED TAPE AND A LOT OF REASONS NOT TO HAVE PROGRAMING DURING COVID, THERE WERE A LOT OF REASONS TO NO SORRY, IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. WE'RE NOT SUPER SURE ABOUT THIS. THEY WOULD GO THE EXTRA MILE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND WHETHER IT WAS COHORTS OR IT WAS SIX FOOT SEPARATION OR IT WAS, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE FOOTBALL, WHATEVER. NO BIG DEAL. WE WILL JUST DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT KIDS HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO BE OUTSIDE AND TO GET THAT VERY, VERY IMPORTANT SOCIALIZATION AND WHAT THEY WERE MISSING DURING THAT TIME. SO ON BEHALF OF COACH MAC, I'M PAUL PUBLIC, AND I JUST HONESTLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU TO KYLE AND THANK YOU TO MIKE PACHECO AND KEVIN [INAUDIBLE], EVEN THOUGH HE'S NO LONGER IN OUR CITY. AND WE GET TO WORK WITH JOANNE NOW. AND I JUST WE'RE JUST VERY, VERY HUMBLED AND AND THANKS TO YOU GUYS. SO THAT'S IT. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE BORRELLO, FOLLOWED BY JADA [INAUDIBLE]. MAYOR COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. SO I HOPE THE COUNCIL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MATERIAL I LEFT LAST COUNCIL MEETING. TONIGHT, I WANT TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT I COMMUNICATED TO THE COUNCIL THE DAY AFTER FOR THE BENEFIT OF PUBLIC RECORD. SO WHILE CARLSBAD HELD THEIR COUNCIL MEETING THAT NIGHT, THE CITY OF PALMDALE ALSO HELD THEIR COUNCIL MEETING. AND IN A UNANIMOUS AND COURAGEOUS MOVE, THEIR COUNCIL NOT ONLY MADE THE PAGE OF THE ANTELOPE VALLEY NEWS, BUT NEWS ACROSS THE NATION. PALMDALE RECOGNIZED THE LOOMING THREAT FROM SACRAMENTO, A SLEW OF COVID VACCINATION LEGISLATION AIMED TO VIOLATE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF MANY CALIFORNIANS. I'M TALKING ABOUT BILLS LIKE AB 1993 THAT WILL CAUSE UNVACCINATED EMPLOYEES AND CONTRACTORS TO LOSE THEIR JOBS IN CALIFORNIA AB 2098, WHICH WILL REPRIMAND DOCTORS THAT SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE VACCINES OR SB 1464 THAT WILL REQUIRE SHERIFFS AND POLICE TO ENFORCE LOCKDOWN ORDERS AUSTRALIAN STYLE. PALMDALE'S ORDINANCE STATES THE CITY MAY NOT ISSUE ANY TYPE OF COVID 19 VACCINATION DOCUMENTATION SUCH AS SO-CALLED VACCINE PASSPORTS, AND THAT ANY BUSINESS WITHIN PALMDALE MAY NOT REQUIRE A PROOF OF VACCINATION FOR SERVICE. IT ALSO STATES THAT NEITHER THE CITY ITSELF NOR ANY BUSINESS OR EMPLOYER WITHIN THE CITY MAY REQUIRE COVID 19 VACCINATION OR REGULAR COVID 19 TESTING AS A REQUIREMENT FOR EMPLOYMENT. MAYOR PRO TEM RICHARD LOYA CONCLUDED, WE ARE GOING TO GO DOWN A RISKY PATH HERE BECAUSE. THEY'RE GOING TO CALL US OUT ON THIS ONE. IN FACT, THE STATE THAT WE WON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS. NEVERTHELESS, THEY FOUND THE COURAGE AND PASSED IT BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. BECAUSE SACRAMENTO AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE LOST THEIR MINDS REGARDING PROTECTING OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES AND FREEDOM. ON MARCH 10TH THE LANCET PUBLISHED ESTIMATING EXCESS MORTALITY DUE TO THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC. A SYSTEMIC, SYSTEMATIC ANALYSIS OF COVID 19 RELATED MORTALITY. EXCESS MORTALITY THESE LAST TWO YEARS SAYS THE FULL IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC HAS BEEN MUCH GREATER THAN WHAT IS INDICATED BY REPORTED DEATHS DUE TO COVID 19 ALONE. BOTTOM LINE THE EXCESS DEATHS ARE NOT DUE TO THE VIRUS, NOT SO MUCH THE VACCINES, BUT RATHER GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC. SO WE CAN'T LET THIS CONTINUE. LOCAL MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITIES LIKE OUR OWN NEED TO STEP UP AND DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND [00:15:01] ACT TO MINIMIZE COLLATERAL DAMAGE LEFT IN THE WAKE OF THE PANDEMIC. SO I URGE THE CITY TO LOOK AT WHAT PALMDALE HAS DONE AND CONSIDER SETTING THOSE SAME TYPE OF ORDINANCES FOR CARLSBAD. THANK YOU. JADA [INAUDIBLE], FOLLOWED BY BRADEN CLARK. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JADA AND I GO TO PACIFIC RIDGE SCHOOL IN CARLSBAD. AS A YOUNG PERSON, I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND I KNOW THAT IT IS GOING TO BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT FARMERS MARKETS ARE THE ULTIMATE GREEN SECTOR OF OUR ECONOMY, AND HERE ARE JUST A FEW WAYS THAT FARMERS MARKETS HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT. LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY SOURCED PRODUCE AND PRODUCTS TRAVEL MUCH LESS THAN PRODUCTS MADE OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTRY AND OUR STATE. VENDORS ALSO USE SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES LIKE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT, COVER CROPS AND ONSITE COMPOST TO HELP OUR WATERS AND OUR SOIL FROM GETTING POLLUTED. AND EVERY TIME I GO TO A FARMER'S MARKET, THE VENDORS ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO EDUCATE US ON THEIR SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES, AND THEIR GOAL IS TO HELP MITIGATE CLIMATE CHANGE AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. THE FARMER'S MARKET IN CARLSBAD VILLAGE IS ALREADY A GREAT STEP TOWARDS MINIMIZING THE POLLUTION AND THE POLLUTION THAT CAUSED BAD MIX. THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT IS USUALLY ALWAYS CROWDED AND SINCE THE CORONAVIRUS IS STILL A MAJOR PROBLEM, THE IT IS PEOPLE TEND TO STAY AWAY FROM CROWDED AREAS. ALSO, SINCE IT'S ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR STUDENTS LIKE ME TO GET TO THE FARMER'S MARKET WITH OUR HOMEWORK AND OUR EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND SPORTS. AND THESE ISSUES PUSH PEOPLE TO STAY AWAY FROM THE FARMERS MARKETS AND WAIT TILL THE WEEKENDS TO GO TO OTHERS OUTSIDE OF CARLSBAD. AND I ASKED I ASKED YOU GUYS TO HELP ADD AN ADDITIONAL FARMERS MARKET OUTSIDE OF THE WEEK AND PUT IT ON THE WEEKENDS, SATURDAY OR SUNDAY MORNINGS AND IN A DIFFERENT AREA OR IN THE SAME AREA, JUST AN OPEN SPACE. AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND KEEP OUR CIRCULATION OF MONEY WITHIN CARLSBAD AND OUR OWN LOCAL COMMUNITY AND ALL WHILE EDUCATING AND PROMOTING SUSTAINABILITY. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR LISTENING AND CONSIDERING. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BRADEN CLARK. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BRADEN. I WORK IN CARLSBAD AND HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SPENDING MAJORITY OF MY TIME HERE AS WELL. AS I WAS DRIVING MY FAMILY'S ELECTRIC CAR THE OTHER DAY. I BEGAN BRAINSTORMING WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DRIVE ELECTRIC CARS. BESIDES THE [INAUDIBLE] REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO BAN THE SALES OF INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES BY 2035. THIS WILL POSE A MAJOR PROBLEM TO THE CITIZENS WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO AFFORD ELECTRIC VEHICLE OR DO NOT HAVE A LIVING SITUATION THAT PERMITS THEM TO DO SO AT A LOW COST. CARLSBAD AND ITS ROBUST BUSINESS SECTOR NEED TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE LOW COST EV CHARGING STATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE ALL AREAS IN SOCIAL CLASSES. THE CITY MUST PLAY A KEY ROLE IN BOTH INSTALLING ITS OWN EV CHARGING STATIONS, BUT ALSO MODIFY LAWS AND REGULATIONS TO ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO ITS PART. CURRENTLY, I'M AWARE THAT MANY OF THE PARKS IN CARLSBAD HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS MANUFACTURED BY THE COMPANY CHARGEPOINT. THESE CHARGING STATIONS ARE MUCH CHEAPER THAN GASOLINE TO FUEL A CAR, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW AS IT PUSHES $6 A GALLON. HOWEVER, THESE CHARGES ARE STILL EXCESSIVE IN PRICE AND LOW IN QUANTITY, AFFECTING THE LOWER INCOME CLASSES ABILITY TO AFFORD THEM. IN RESPONSE TO THIS ISSUE, I HAVE A FEW IDEAS AND PROPOSED SOLUTIONS. I'M ENCOURAGING THE CITY, USING ITS RESOURCES TO ATTEMPT TO LOWER THE COST OF THESE PRICES TO FURTHER INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DRIVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THIS CAN BE DONE IN A FEW WAYS. FIRST, THE CITY CAN ELIMINATE THE COST AND DIFFICULTY OF GETTING A PERMIT TO INSTALL EV CHARGING STATIONS. THIS COULD INCLUDE REBATES FOR EV CHARGERS THAT ARE BOUGHT THROUGH THE CITY AND VOLUME AND REDUCED COST. SECOND, THE CITY CAN REDUCE THE CITY SALES TAX AND PROVIDE OTHER TAX INCENTIVES FOR PRIVATE BUSINESSES THAT INSTALL EV CHARGING STATIONS AND PROVIDE REDUCED COST CHARGING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. THIRD, THE CITY SHOULD ALSO STRONGLY CONSIDER MANDATING THE INSTALLATION OF HOME CHARGING STATIONS IN BOTH LONG TERM AND SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES. IN ADDITION TO THESE LOW COST SOLUTIONS, THE CITY SHOULD BROADLY PLACE MORE AT BEACHES, CITY OFFICES, SCHOOLS AND CITY OWNED PARKS OR OTHER PUBLIC PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE RAPID CHARGERS BECAUSE PEOPLE USUALLY SPEND THE ENTIRE DAY AT THE BEACH AND 6 TO 7 HOURS AT SCHOOL. NONETHELESS, THESE CHARGERS WOULD MAKE AN IMMENSE DIFFERENCE. [00:20:04] I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S CRUCIAL TO PAY THE PRICE NOW FOR THESE CHARGERS RATHER THAN LATER WITH CLIMATE AND ECONOMIC REPERCUSSIONS. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, AND I HOPE YOU ALL CONSIDER MY SUGGESTIONS. THAT CONCLUDES THE 15 MINUTES. THE REST OF THE SPEAKERS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. [CONSENT CALENDAR] MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR, IT LOOKS LIKE WE JUST HAVE ONE ITEM TONIGHT. SPEAKERS. SPEAKERS. WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS ON THAT ITEM. THANKS, KEITH. APPROVAL OF CONSENT. CALENDAR ITEM NUMBER ONE, SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY CONSENT CALENDAR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [2. OPERATION OF REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICES SUCH AS E-BICYCLES] ORDINANCES MR. BREWER ITEM ONE. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION BY OUR TEAM PRESENTATIONS ARE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MARISSA KAWECKI AND POLICE SERGEANT SCOTT MERRITT. JUST THOSE MICS YOU REALLY GOT TO SUCK THEM UP SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU HERE. BUT MAKING SURE THEY CAN HEAR YOU ELSEWHERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. APOLOGIZE FOR THE QUICK DELAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS EVENING, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS AN AMENDMENT TO 10.56 OF OUR CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, AMENDING IT TO ADD THE OPERATION OF REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICES AKA E-BIKES. ELECTRIC SCOOTERS. ELECTRIC SKATEBOARDS. SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD, HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE OF E-BIKES SCOOTERS UPON OUR PUBLIC ROADWAYS. AND IT'S CAUSED US GREAT CONCERN BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF COLLISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AND ASSOCIATED WITH E-BIKES AND MOBILITY DEVICES IN OUR CITY. WE'LL BE GOING OVER A SLIDE IN THE NEXT MINUTE HERE, WHICH WILL COVER THE AMOUNT AND THE INCREASE JUST OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM OUR RESIDENTS REGARDING COLLISIONS. DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR BEING SEEN UPON OUR ROADWAYS AND AROUND OUR SCHOOLS INVOLVING E-BIKES, ESPECIALLY AMONG OUR YOUNGER POPULATION. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WERE EXPERIENCES. DUE TO THE LIMITATIONS OF OUR CURRENT CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE, WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO CITE FOR CERTAIN PROVISIONS. AND WHEN WE CITE THE VEHICLE CODE SECTIONS AND SEND IT OFF TO MUNICIPAL COURT, THERE'S CHALLENGES AND WE LOSE LOCAL CONTROL AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE OUR INFLUENCE ON IT AS CITY OF CARLSBAD TEAM AND RESIDENTS AND WHAT'S GOING TO END UP HAPPENING TO THE OFFENDER WE CITED. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE NUMBER OF COLLISIONS IN THE PAST THREE YEARS IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY. IN 2020, WE DOCUMENTED 39 COLLISIONS INVOLVING CYCLISTS OR E-BIKES. IN 2021, IT JUMPED TO 63 COLLISIONS. AND THIS DATE, AS OF THIS DATE, THIS YEAR, WE ARE ALREADY AT 19 COLLISION INVOLVING E-BIKE OR BICYCLIST. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE ON PACE FOR AN EXCEPTIONAL NUMBER OF COLLISIONS THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN ADDRESS THROUGH THIS AMENDMENT. REGULATE THE FOLLOWING DEVICES. THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE ORDINANCE E-BIKES, BICYCLES, ELECTRIC PERSONAL ASSISTIVE MOBILITY DEVICES WHICH ARE KNOWN AS SEGWAY'S, ELECTRICALLY MOTORIZED BOARDS, LOW SPEED VEHICLES, MOTORIZED SCOOTERS, SHARED MOBILITY DEVICES AND OTHER SIMILAR VEHICLES. AND ALL OF THESE DEFINITIONS ARE PROVIDED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. REFERENCING THE VEHICLE CODE, WE'RE USING THE SAME DEFINITIONS. THE THE GOAL OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO REGULATE A BROAD RANGE OF CARELESS OR RECKLESS CONDUCT SO THAT WE CAPTURE A VARIETY OF CONDUCT THAT OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND AN [00:25:03] INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE CODE SECTION SUCH AS NOT WEARING YOUR HELMET. BUT OUR ORDINANCE WILL CAPTURE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONDUCT, AND IT WILL ALSO CAPTURE ALL THESE DIFFERENT VEHICLE TYPES, RATHER THAN HAVING TO HAVE AN OFFICER FIGURE OUT WHICH VEHICLE THIS IS AND WHAT SECTION CAN I CHARGE UNDER? HE CAN GLOBALLY CHARGE UNDER THIS ONE ORDINANCE HE OR SHE. HERE IS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR REGULATING VEHICLE TYPES. THIS WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT JUST BRIEFLY THERE'S THREE SECTIONS OF THE VEHICLE CODE THAT TALK ABOUT THE PARTICULAR VEHICLE VEHICLES THAT WE PROPOSE TO REGULATE. SO WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER THE VEHICLE CODE TO REGULATE BICYCLES, MOTORIZED BICYCLES, E-BIKES, SKATEBOARDS. WE AREN'T REGULATING ROLLER SKATES FOR THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S REGULATED ELSEWHERE IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE, THE ELECTRIC PERSONAL ASSISTIVE MOBILITY DEVICES KNOWN AS SEGWAY'S, AND THEN MOTORIZED SCOOTERS. IN THE VEHICLE CODE AS WE WERE DRAFTING THIS ORDINANCE, THERE IS AN OVERARCHING PROVISION THAT LIMITED US SOMEWHAT AND THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ENACT OR ENFORCE AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION ON MATTERS COVERED BY THE VEHICLE CODE UNLESS EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CANNOT DUPLICATE AN ORDINANCE SAYING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL HAS TO WEAR A BICYCLE HELMET IF THEY'RE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE VEHICLE CODE. SO THAT'S WHY THE ORDINANCE READS SOMEWHAT BROADLY, WE BELIEVE OUR ORDINANCE IS NOT PREEMPTED SINCE AS I SAID, IT BROADLY REGULATES BICYCLES, E-BIKES AND OTHER REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICES. WE DID HAVE SOME COMMUNITY CONCERNS REGARDING THE ADA. THERE IS AN EXEMPTION IN THE ORDINANCE. IT WASN'T ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IT'S KIND OF EMBEDDED TOWARDS THE END OF THE ORDINANCE WHEN THE EXEMPTION SECTION. BUT THE ORDINANCE ESSENTIALLY DOES UNDER SECTION 10.5 6.0 40B IT STATES THAT THIS CHAPTER IS NOT INTENDED TO APPLY TO OR OTHERWISE RESTRICT REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICES USED IN A SAFE MANNER BY PHYSICALLY DISABLED PERSONS AS DEFINED UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT. SO THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE. THERE'S ALSO AN EXEMPTION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO, OF COURSE, IF THEY NEED TO RIDE ON A SIDEWALK OR WHATEVER TO TO PROVIDE SERVICES, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. ALL RIGHT UNDER THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, YOU CANNOT RIDE OR OPERATE A REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICE WHERE POSTED. CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WHERE POSTED, BUT WITH A COUNCIL RESOLUTION WE WILL BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT AUTHORITY TO POST IN CERTAIN AREAS SUCH AS PARKS OR PEOPLE ATTEND. CANNOT RIDE OR OPERATE A REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICE ON SIDEWALKS, PUBLIC DRAINAGE FACILITIES, CULVERT, DITCH CHANNEL, SPORTS COURT OR GYMNASIUM. BUT WE WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO SIMPLY WALK THEIR BIKE ACROSS IT SO THEY CAN HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO GET THEIR BIKE OUT OF THE WAY AND BE NEAR THEIR EQUIPMENT. DUTY TO OPERATE WITH DUE CARE. THAT'S WHERE WE'LL REALLY GET INTO THE DEPTH OF THIS, WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE THESE CITATIONS. AND WITH INPUT FROM OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE ALSO WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH OUR TRAIL SYSTEMS, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXPANSIVE AMOUNT OF TRAILS IN OUR CITY WHERE WE WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DISMOUNT WITHIN 50 FEET OF A PEDESTRIAN OR A HORSE IF THE TRAIL IS LESS THAN FIVE FEET IN WIDTH. SO HERE'S HOW THE SECTION READS. THE OPERATOR OF A REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICE SHALL EXERCISE ALL DUE CARE AND SHALL REDUCE THE SPEED OF THE DEVICE, OBEY ALL TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND TAKE ALL OTHER ACTION RELATING TO OPERATION OF THE DEVICE AS NECESSARY TO SAFEGUARD THE OPERATOR, PASSENGERS AND ANY PERSONS OR OTHER VEHICLES OR DEVICES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. IT SHOULD ALSO BE UNLAWFUL TO TRANSPORT ANY OTHER PERSON UP ON THE BAR, HANDLEBARS, FLOORBOARD OR OTHER AREA OF THE REGULAR MOBILITY DEVICE NOT DESIGNED FOR PASSENGER RIDING OR DESIGNED FOR A SINGLE PERSON OR CLING TO OR ATTACH ONESELF TO A REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICE WITH AN OPERATOR RIDER ON BOARD TO ANY MOVING VEHICLE OR MOTORIZED NON-MOTORIZED WHEELED DEVICE. SO AS WE GET INTO THE ENFORCEMENT, LIKE I JUST DISCUSSED, THE LOCAL ORDINANCE SIMPLIFIES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S OBLIGATIONS AND MAKES ENFORCEMENT FAR SIMPLER FOR OFFICERS OUT IN THE FIELD WHO ARE DEALING WITH THE YOUNGER POPULATION, WHO ARE RIDING E-BIKES IN A RECKLESS MANNER. OR EVEN ADULTS WHO ARE OPERATING E-BIKES IN A RECKLESS MANNER IN OUR CITY. THE UNIQUE PART ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BE THE POLICE CHIEF OR HIS DESIGNEE CAN OFFER A SAFETY COURSE TO THE OFFENDER IN LIEU OF A CITATION. [00:30:03] SO INSTEAD OF RECEIVING A FINE, THEY WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO ATTEND A COURSE DESIGNED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH INPUT FROM THE SAN DIEGO BIKE COALITION TO RECEIVE A SAFETY COURSE. AND THAT'S OUR GOAL, IS TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN VIOLATION. MALCOLM WILL GO FURTHER INTO THAT HERE IN A SECOND. AND THE SAFETY COURSE WOULD HAVE MORE MEANING AND FULL, MORE MEANINGFUL IMPACT UPON THE PERSON RECEIVING THE CITATION IF THEY'RE ABLE TO RECEIVE TRAINING INSTEAD OF PAYING A FINANCIAL PENALTY. AND IT OFFERS US THE CHANCE TO EDUCATE. AND THAT'S OUR SPIRIT OF THIS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MALCOLM WARFIELD WITH THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT. I COORDINATE OUR JUVENILE DIVERSION PROGRAM, AND I'M ALSO COORDINATING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SAFETY COURSE. AS SERGEANT MERRITT MENTIONED, WE HAVE LOOKED AT VARIOUS PROGRAMS AND WE FOUND THAT THE SMART CYCLING EDUCATION PROGRAM THAT'S PRESENTED BY THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS IS SOMETHING THAT BEST REPRESENTS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF THIS PROGRAM. CLASSES CURRENTLY ARE BEING PRESENTED BY THE SAN DIEGO BIKE COALITION, WHICH WE'RE WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COURSE TOPICS. AS IT READS, THERE BICYCLING IN THE LAW CRASHES AND HOW TO AVOID THEM, HOW TO DRIVE YOUR BIKE SAFELY, AND A VARIETY OF ROAD TRAFFIC AND WEATHER CONDITIONS DAY AND NIGHT. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BASICALLY AS WE'RE CONCERNED WITH BICYCLE SAFETY, THE RULES OF THE ROAD, AND THEN FINALLY, AS YOU SEE, THE LAST ONE SAYS THERE MUST BE AN ASSESSMENT COURSE. WE'RE LOOKING TO A BASIC ASSESSMENT IN TERMS OF A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE RULES OF THE ROAD MIGHT BE, HOW TO OPERATE A BIKE SAFELY. THE PROCESS OF THIS IS WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO MAY BE RIDING BICYCLES OR E-BIKES FROM AGES 11 AND UP. SO WE DO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH REGARDS TO AN ASSESSMENT TOOL, SOME BASIC UNDERSTANDING, WHEREAS SOMEONE WHO'S 11 YEARS OLD MAY BE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE MATERIAL AS 18, THAT INFORMATION WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING UNDER. SO THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDED ACTION AND NEXT STEPS. JUST WITH ALL OTHER ORDINANCES TODAY, WE WOULD BE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AT THE NEXT MEETING ON APRIL 5TH, 2022 ADOPT THE ORDINANCE. AFTER ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AND ONGOING, THE CITY STAFF WOULD ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE AND JUST E-BIKE SAFETY IN GENERAL. WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO E-BIKES ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE, BUT WE WOULD ENGAGE IN ADDITIONAL OUTREACH AS WELL. AND THEN IF THE ORDINANCE IS IN FACT ADOPTED ON APRIL 5TH, IT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE AS OF MAY 5TH. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. OKAY. VERY WELL DONE. DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. DR. BHAT-PATEL. SURE. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THE ENTIRE COUNCIL HAS BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT SINCE WE'VE ALL GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS AROUND THIS. AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW I HAD RECEIVED AND I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFIED IT AGAIN WAS WITH REGARDS TO THE PERSONAL ASSISTIVE DEVICES, WE DO HAVE THAT CARVE OUT FOR THE ADA. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO THEY WOULD BE EXEMPT AND NOT SUBJECT TO A CITATION UNDER THE ORDINANCE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I HAD RECEIVED SOME EMAILS AROUND THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THAT ON THE RECORD AGAIN. AND THEN JUST A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. SO UNDER THAT SECTION THAT YOU READ, WHICH WAS 10.5 6.020 C, THAT'S PAGE EIGHT OF 44 ON OUR STAFF REPORT. SO BASICALLY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING ACCURATELY AND IF YOU'RE IF READING THIS CORRECTLY, ANYONE WHO'S WRITING A VEHICLE AND SOMEBODY IS SITTING WHERE THERE NOT, THERE'S NO PASSENGER SEAT. THEY COULD BE CITED FOR THAT. THAT IS CORRECT. THE ORDINANCE GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE OF UNSAFE RIDING OR ILLEGAL RIDING FOR A BICYCLE NOT DESIGNED FOR IT. OKAY. AND THEN FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE FIRST TIME WOULD BE MORE OF AN EDUCATION ASPECT WHERE THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THAT SAFETY COURSE. AND THEN IF THEY WERE A REPEAT OFFENDER, THEN THEY WOULD BE CITED. YES. WORKING WITH MALCOLM, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THE COURSE FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION. THEN AFTER THAT, YOU WOULD RECEIVE THE NORMAL CITATION AND GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AS NORMAL. OKAY. AND THEN JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, THIS IS JUST MORE FOR THE ASSESSMENT TOOL. IS THAT BEING PUT TOGETHER BY YOU ALL OR IS THAT AN OUTSIDE AGENCY? [00:35:04] WITH THE ASSESSMENT TOOL WE'RE WORKING WITH LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS ON THAT. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT TOOLS FOR THE SMART CYCLING COURSE. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MATTER OF ADJUSTING IT GIVEN OUR DIFFERENT AGE RANGES. AND WE'LL PROBABLY GOING TO REACH OUT TO SOME PEOPLE IN EDUCATION WITH REGARDS TO YOUNGER AGES. GREAT. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO I'M GLAD YOU ANSWERED IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THANKS SO MUCH. AND COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, BEFORE I GO TO YOU, I WANT TO ASK DR. BHAT-PATEL. I WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. HOW DO I KNOW WHEN TWO PEOPLE CAN RIDE A BICYCLE IS HOW DO I KNOW WHAT THE BICYCLE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? A TWO PASSENGER BICYCLE. MOST BICYCLES DESIGNED FOR TWO PASSENGER RIDING WILL HAVE A DESIGNATED SEAT SEPARATE FROM THE RIDER OR THE OPERATOR'S SEAT AND SOME TYPE OF FOOTBOARD OR FOOT PEG THAT THE FEET CAN BE PLACED UPON BY THE PASSENGER. YOU CAN ALSO RESEARCH IT ON THE INTERNET TO SEE IF THE BIKE IS DESIGNED FOR TWO PASSENGERS OR TWO PERSONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE FIRST QUESTION RELATES TO THE EDUCATIONAL CLASS AS WELL. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT TRAINING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE VERSUS ADULTS OR IF IT'S THE SAME TRAINING? YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHEN WE LOOK AT A COURSE. TIME FRAME IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. ADULTS MAY BE ABLE TO STAY IN A COURSE IN A CLASSROOM FOR 3 HOURS WHERE YOUR YOUNGER ONLY LASTS FOR ABOUT AN HOUR. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SAN DIEGO BIKE COALITION ON MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT AND WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING WITH YOUTH. THEY HAVE YOUTH E-BIKE PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS WELL. SO WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE IT BASED UPON AN AGE GROUP AND WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION MIGHT BE FOR MS. [INAUDIBLE] BUT IT RELATES TO OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE HAD SIMILAR ORDINANCES AND KIND OF WHERE WE LOOKED I SAW SOMETHING IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT MENTIONED SAN DIEGO AND SANTA MONICA. AND I KNOW OUR OWN ASSEMBLY MEMBER, TASHA BOERNER HORVATH HAS LEGISLATION RIGHT NOW ABOUT E-BIKE EDUCATIONAL COURSES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AS WELL. SO OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AND WE'VE HEARD THIS A LOT IN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WHAT OTHER AREAS HAVE HAVE ENACTED SOMETHING SIMILAR? I WOULD SAY SAN MARCOS HAS A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR ORDINANCE. THEY DID GET A LITTLE MORE DETAILED, WHICH I'M NOT SURE I WAS BEING A LITTLE CAUTIOUS, I SHOULD SAY, IN TERMS OF DUPLICATING THE VEHICLE CODE AND HELPING TO DESIGN THE ORDINANCE. BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S SIMILAR TO THEIR ORDINANCE. OUTSIDE OF THAT, A LOT OF OTHER CITIES ARE PROHIBITING E-BIKES IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS, WHICH THAT VEHICLE CODE SECTION WAS NOT CITED BECAUSE WE WEREN'T PROPOSING TO DO THAT. BUT THAT IS AN OPTION TO PROHIBIT THEM ON TRAILS AND ON OTHER AREAS OF THE ROAD. SO THAT IS SPECIFICALLY THAT AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GRANTED IN THE VEHICLE CODE FOR US TO DO SO IF WE WISH. STAFF AT THIS TIME DO NOT FEEL THAT A PROHIBITION WAS NECESSARY, ALTHOUGH OF COURSE IT IS THE COUNCIL'S DECISION. IF WE SEE HOW THIS GOES AND WE NEED TO TAKE THINGS ONE STEP FORWARD FURTHER. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE LET ME JUST GO BACK HERE. WE HAVE THIS PROVISION. IT'S AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ORDINANCE WHERE YOU CAN'T OPERATE WHERE POSTED AND WE EMBEDDED IN THERE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A COUNCIL RESOLUTION. IF WE FIND THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMATIC AREAS OR TRAILS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN WE JUST COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THOSE AREAS AND WE HAVE IT ON FILE WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE SO THAT THAT CAN BE THERE'S ROOM FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH THIS ORDINANCE IF NECESSARY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS THANKS. FINAL COMMENTS, MR. NORBY. I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR BEING PROACTIVE ON THIS, AND IT'S GREAT TO HEAR IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GO TO A CLASS AND SAFETY INSTEAD OF GETTING A CITATION. BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO TO GO FARTHER. I MEAN, THE PROLIFERATION OF THESE DEVICES HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND I THINK I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT THIS WAY FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD ON AN ELECTRIC BIKE BECAUSE THEY WERE ONLY FOR OLD PEOPLE. AND TODAY, YOU KNOW, EACH SCHOOL, JUNIOR HIGH, HIGH SCHOOL, HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS OF E-BIKES. AND I THINK OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE STRUGGLING IN TERMS OF WHERE TO PARK ALL THESE AND CREATE CORRALS FOR THEM. BUT EACH AND EVERY ONE IS A PARENT, NOT IN A CAR DROPPING A STUDENT OFF, WHICH IS JUST INCREDIBLE AND REALLY GOOD. SO THE CONSUMER IS MAKING THIS CHOICE, BUT I WOULD SAY TO JUST ALWAYS LOOK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY. AND SO NOT JUST WITH A CITATION. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS TO PROVIDE THIS TRAINING FOR E-BIKE RIDERS AT SCHOOL. I, YOU KNOW, I'M DATING MYSELF, BUT WE HAD DRIVER EDUCATION 40 YEARS AGO AND IT'S [00:40:04] ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY THAT WE DO THIS, NOT JUST WHEN YOU GET A TICKET. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THE LEGISLATION, BUT ALSO I THINK THERE'S A GENERATION THAT MAYBE HAS BEEN OFF THE BIKE FOR 10, 20, 30 YEARS AND THEY'RE IN THEIR 50S, 40S AND 60S, AND THEY'RE NOW GETTING ON THE BIKE AGAIN. AND SOMETIMES WE THINK THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO. AND I WAS JUST HORRIFIED TO SEE A COUPLE OF NEWSPAPER STORIES THAT DID NOT END WELL FOR SOMEBODY, A SENIOR ON AN ELECTRIC BIKE. SO I WANT US TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR SENIORS AS WELL IN TERMS OF SOMEBODY WHO WHO PURCHASES THIS BIKE AND GETS BACK ON THE BIKE. AND IT'S GREAT. I GOT BACK ON THE BIKE PROBABLY 15 YEARS AGO AFTER NOT BEING ON THE BIKE FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS. AND IT WAS JUST AMAZING. BUT KEEP LOOKING FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION AND THEN JUST BE AWARE AS YOU ARE, THE AMOUNT OF, I GUESS, OPTIONS THAT ARE COMING IN THIS MICRO MOBILITY SEGMENT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS JUST STAGGERING AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE, BUT IT DOES PRESENT US SOME CHALLENGES. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA YES, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE EARLIER ABOUT OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO THIS, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT GOES BEYOND CARLSBAD. AND OBVIOUSLY THE PROLIFERATION OF E-BIKES AND OTHER ELECTRONIC MOBILITY DEVICES IS WIDESPREAD AND GROWING. SO I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK, THAT WE'VE SEEN WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING, AND THAT WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO OURS BECAUSE TIMES ARE CHANGING AND THEY'RE CHANGING JUST RIGHT BEFORE US UNDER OUR FEET. SO THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE WE WILL HAVE TO DO TO TAILOR THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THIS IS WORDED RIGHT NOW IS RIGHT FOR WHAT WE NEED, AND I SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. DOCTOR. SURE. THANKS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I KNOW WE'VE ALL SAID THAT, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP US GIVE MORE LATITUDE TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS AND HOPEFULLY PROVIDE MORE EDUCATION TO EVERYONE WHO'S WRITING THESE. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE SOMEBODY WHO'S WRITING OR SOMEBODY WHO'S WALKING, IT'LL PROVIDE HOPEFULLY THAT SAFETY ASPECT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING ON THIS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT ENACTED. DANGEROUS E-BIKE VIOLATIONS IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER THREE MOST CONCERNS THAT I HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT BEHIND HOMELESSNESS AND TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS. SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE EFFORT INTO GIVING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THE TOOLS TO HELP DIRECT THE VIOLATORS TO SAFER OPERATIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS. MS. BREWER, YOU WANT TO TITLE THE ORDINANCE? THANK YOU. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING TITLE 10, CHAPTER 10.56 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE OPERATION OF REGULATED MOBILITY DEVICES. COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN. MOVE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. SECOND. AND IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. [3. ORDINANCE NO. CS-418 – NEW CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT BOUNDARIES] MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE ORDINANCES FOR ADOPTION MS. BREWER. THANK YOU THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 2.04.070, SUBDIVISION A TO INCLUDE THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT BOUNDARY MAP APPROVED BY THE INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION. SPEAKERS? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN. MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ORDINANCE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [4. AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL INCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICIES AND THE CITY’S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IN-LIEU FEE - 1] MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL INCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICY IN THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IN LIEU FEE. MR. CHADWICK INTRODUCTIONS. YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND MAKING THE PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, JEFF MURPHY. SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK. AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JEFF MURPHY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. AND TO MY RIGHT IS PAUL MARRA FROM KEYSER MARSTON ASSOCIATES. SO THE AGENDA TOPICS FOR THIS EVENING ARE REFLECTED HERE, WHERE WE'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PROGRAM. WE WILL THEN PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAMS IN LIEU FEE AND THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. WE'LL THEN TRANSITION TO THE VARIOUS POLICIES ON ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF COMPLIANCE, INCLUDING AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THAT TERM ACTUALLY MEANS. THEN WE WILL CONCLUDE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS ON THOSE POLICIES. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO COVER TO HELP NAVIGATE THE HEARING PROCESS. [00:45:02] STAFF THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION WILL FIRST COVER THE IN LIEU FEE, FOLLOWED BY THE PROPOSED POLICY CHANGES. ONCE COMPLETED, STAFFS RECOMMEND RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL FIRST ACT ON THE IN LIEU FEE ADJUSTMENT. ONCE A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON THE FEE, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN THEN DELIBERATE AND TAKE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED POLICY CHANGES. THE THIRD DECISION POINT INVOLVES THE HOUSING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, WHERE THEY PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE THAT IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF TONIGHT'S ITEM. THIS WILL REQUIRE COUNCIL DIRECTION, COUNCIL DIRECTION IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO PURSUE THAT RECOMMENDATION. WHEN THE TIME COMES STAFF HAS DEVELOPED SLIDES FOR EACH OF THESE DECISION POINTS TO HELP THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THEIR DELIBERATIONS. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL START WITH THE BACKGROUND. IN RESPONSE TO THE GROWING SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE CITY IN 1993 ADOPTED AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PROGRAM. NOW, THIS PROGRAM APPLIES TO ALL PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND REQUIRES THAT A MINIMUM OF 15% OF THE UNITS BE AFFORDABLE TO LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE UNITS IS ALWAYS PREFERRED. THE CITY ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT OF SIX OR FEWER DWELLING UNITS TO SATISFY THEIR INCLUSIONARY REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE PAYMENT OF AN IN LIEU FEE WHICH GOES INTO THE HOUSING TRUST FUND. OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS, HISTORY A TOTAL OF ABOUT $40 MILLION HAVE BEEN DEPOSITED INTO THE FUND AND USED TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE COST OF SEVERAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. YOUR CITY COUNCIL HAS SEEN THIS PIE CHART IN THE PAST IN PAST PRESENTATIONS WHERE IT SHOWS THE VARYING FUND REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, MOST OF WHICH COMES FROM INTEREST LOAN REPAYMENT AND HOUSING CREDIT PURCHASES, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. THE IN LIEU FEES REPRESENT A RELATIVELY SMALL PERCENTAGE, ROUGHLY ABOUT $1.7 MILLION OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES. THIS IS LARGELY BECAUSE THE FEE ONLY APPLIES TO PROJECTS PROPOSING LESS THAN SEVEN UNITS, AND THE FEE AMOUNT HAS NOT BEEN ADJUSTED IN SOME TIME, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL DISCUSS IN THE NEXT SECTION. WHEN INITIALLY ADOPTED IN 1993, THE IN LIEU FEE WAS CREATED USING THE AFFORDABILITY GAP METHOD. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THE FEE IS BASED ON THE COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MARKET RATE UNIT AND AFFORDABLE UNIT. THE FEE BASED ON THAT GAP METHOD WAS INITIALLY SET AT ROUGHLY $12,000 PER MARKET RATE UNIT. THE FEE WAS RECALCULATED IN 1996, RESULTING IN A REDUCTION OF THE IN LIEU FEE TO THE $4,515 PER MARKET RATE UNIT IT IS TODAY. IN 2019 AS PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF THROUGH A MINUTE MOTION TO PROVIDE OPTIONS FOR THE IN LIEU FEE BASED ON UPDATED METRICS AND INVESTIGATE OPTIONS FOR ITS APPLICATION INSIDE AS WELL AS OUTSIDE THE MASTERPLAN AREA. IN 2020, THE COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION AND FUNDING FOR A GAP STUDY THAT WOULD PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON AN UPDATED INCLUSIONARY HOUSING IN LIEU FEE. THE CITY COUNCIL HIRED THE CITY HIRED KEYSER MARSTON ASSOCIATES, WHO CONDUCTED THE GAP ANALYSIS AND DEVELOPED A SERIES OF FEE OPTIONS WHICH ARE BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT PER COUNCIL DIRECTION. NOW THIS CHART. THIS CHART IS A SUMMARY OF THE DIFFERENT RATES BASED ON KMA'S ANALYSIS STARTING FROM AT THE LEFT. THE GRAY COLUMN REPRESENTS THE CURRENT RATE AS IT IS APPLIED TODAY. THE NEXT FIGURE IS THE RATE. IF WE APPLIED AN ANNUAL CPI ADJUSTMENT TO THE CURRENT RATE GOING BACK TO 1996. THE NEXT SET OF COLUMNS SHOWN IN LIGHTER BLUE REPRESENT FEE RATES THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO AREAS OUTSIDE THE MASTER PLAN AREA. THE FIRST COLUMN REFLECTS A FLAT RATE OF ROUGHLY $31,000 PER MARKET RATE UNIT. THE NEXT TWO RATES ARE APPLIED TO THE BUILDING NET TO THE NET BUILDING AREA OF THE MARKET RATE UNITS. THE $15 FIGURE HERE REPRESENTS THE LOWER THAN LOWER END OF THE SCALE, WHILE THE $25 FIGURE REPRESENTS THE UPPER END. THE COLUMNS IN DARKER BLUE REPRESENT POSSIBLE RATES WITHIN THE PLAN AREA. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE FEES THAT WOULD BE CHARGED FOR A THEORETICAL UNIT OF 1,200 SQUARE FOOT IN SIZE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE CURRENT IN LIEU FEE BE BE INCREASED TO THE CPI ADJUSTED RATE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT. THIS IS BASICALLY RESERVED FOR THE FAMILY WHO IS WANTING TO BUILD THEIR DREAM HOME IN CARLSBAD? FOR PROJECTS PROPOSING 2 TO 6 UNITS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLYING THE $15 PER SQUARE FOOT FIGURE AND APPLYING IT CITYWIDE. ON FEBRUARY 10TH, STAFF PRESENTED THE KMA STUDY AND IN LIEU FEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION AGREED WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHARGE THE CPI ADJUSTED RATE FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION MADE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DIFFERED FROM STAFF. [00:50:04] THE FIRST WAS TO APPLY AN INDEX GOING FORWARD THAT BETTER REFLECTS THE COST OF HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO THE CPI. THE COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE IN LIEU FEE BE ADJUSTED TO $20 PER SQUARE FOOT FOR PROJECTS 2 TO 6 UNITS IN SIZE, AGAIN APPLIED CITYWIDE AND PHASED IN OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. REGARDING THE INDEX, THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OR CPI, IS THE INFLATION INDEX TYPICALLY USED IN OUR FEE ADJUSTMENTS AND IT REFLECTS THE INFLATION OF GOODS AND SERVICES. SINCE THE IN LIEU FEE IS BASED ON A FINANCIAL GAP IN HOUSING, THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO USE A PRICE INDEX THAT MOST CLOSELY RESPONDS TO HOUSING COSTS IS APPROPRIATE. KMA PROVIDED STAFF WITH SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR SUCH AN INDICATOR, BUT THE ONE MOSTLY USED BY INDUSTRY IS THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX WE REFER TO AS THE CCI. CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CPI AND THE CCI RATES EITHER INDEX WOULD RESULT IN A SIMILAR INCREASE IN THE FEE. NOW REGARDING THE $20 PER SQUARE FOOT RATE, WHILE THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION FALLS AT THE LOWER END OF THE FEE RANGE THAT THE KMA IDENTIFIED, THE PROPOSED FEE STILL RESULTS IN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER CURRENT RATES, WHICH IS WHY STAFF CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND THE LOWER $15 SQUARE FOOT RATE. BY CHANGING THE METHODOLOGY AND APPLYING A $15 PER SQUARE FOOT RATE, THE CITY WOULD BE INCREASING THE POTENTIAL FEE BY 300% OVER TODAY'S RATE. CONVERSELY, SHOULD THE COUNCIL INCREASE THE RATE TO $20 A SQUARE FOOT? WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO A 430% INCREASE IN THE FEE. STAFF IS CONCERNED OVER THE IMPACT SUCH AN INCREASE COULD HAVE ON HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING PRICES. CONSIDERING THE INCREASE IN FEES WILL LIKELY BE ABSORBED INTO THE ASKING PRICE OF THE NEW MARKET RATE HOMES, THEREBY MAKING THEM LESS AFFORDABLE. THE NEXT SEGMENT OF THE PRESENTATION COVERS THE POLICIES ADDRESSING ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF COMPLIANCE. SO LET ME FIRST EXPLAIN WHAT THIS IS. THE CITY'S UNDERSTANDS THAT VARIOUS SITE OR FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS MAY FRUSTRATE A DEVELOPER'S ABILITY TO MEET THE STRICT LETTER OF THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REGULATIONS. AS SUCH, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO DEVIATE FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PROGRAM IF THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE CITY'S HOUSING ELEMENT. THIS IS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF COMPLIANCE. OVER THE YEARS, THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHED POLICIES THAT IDENTIFIED AND AUTHORIZE CERTAIN ALTERNATIVES SO LONG AS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT MET THE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THOSE POLICIES. IT'S IMPORTANT TO STRESS THAT THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT REQUIREMENTS. THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT 15% OF THE UNITS WITHIN A PROJECT BE RESERVED AS AFFORDABLE UNLESS THE PROJECT QUALIFIES TO PAY THE IN LIEU FEE. THESE ALTERNATIVES SIMPLY PROVIDE THE ABILITY FOR AN APPLICANT TO DEVIATE FROM THE CODE. IN EXCHANGE THE ALTERNATIVES ASK FOR SOMETHING FROM THE DEVELOPER, WHICH MAY INCLUDE LOWER AFFORDABILITY LEVELS, INCREASED FEES OR LONGER AFFORDABILITY TERMS. IF THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS TIED TO THE ALTERNATIVES, THEY CAN ALWAYS BUILD THE UNITS PURSUANT TO THE CODE. THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED POLICIES THAT PROVIDE APPLICANTS WITH ACCEPTABLE WAYS TO DEVIATE FROM THE ORDINANCE. COUNCIL POLICY 57 PROVIDES ALLOWANCES TO BUILD AFFORDABLE UNITS OFF SITE. POLICY 58 SETS FORTH THE CREDIT PURCHASE PRICE PROGRAM WHERE APPLICANTS CAN BUY CREDITS INSTEAD OF BUILDING THE REQUIRED INCLUSIONARY UNIT. AND POLICY 68 ALLOWS FOR A REDUCTION IN THE 15% INCLUSIONARY REQUIREMENT WHEN CERTAIN STANDARDS ARE MET. THE POLICIES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, SOMETHING GOING BACK TO 1995 AND A LOT HAS CHANGE IN HOW INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENTS CAN BE ACHIEVED IN TODAY'S HOUSING MARKET. AS SUCH, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO CONSOLIDATE THE POLICIES POLICIES INTO A NEW POLICY STATEMENT NUMBER 57 AND STREAMLINING IT IN ORDER TO BETTER BALANCE THE NEED TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHILE ALSO ENSURING CONTINUED PROGRAM SUCCESS. WHILE THE PROPOSED POLICY MAKES SEVERAL MINOR MODIFICATIONS, THE APPLICATION OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREDIT PROGRAM PROPOSES THE MOST CHANGES. SO LET ME SPEND A FEW MOMENTS EXPLAINING WHAT THE CREDIT PROGRAM IS BEFORE GETTING INTO WHAT THOSE MODIFICATIONS ARE. WHEN CITY FINANCIALLY PARTICIPATES IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. AND THAT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT BUILDS AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE IN EXCESS OF CODE REQUIREMENTS, THE CITY CAN CREATE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREDIT BANK WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE ABLE TO PURCHASE THOSE EXCESS UNITS IN THE FORM OF CREDITS THAT CAN BE USED TO OFFSET THEIR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. UNDER THE PROPOSED POLICY TODAY, THE FIRST BIG ADDITION TO THE INCLUSIONARY IS THE INCLUSION OF A FINDINGS AS REFLECTED ON THIS SLIDE THAT MUST BE MADE BEFORE AN AFFORDABLE [00:55:05] HOUSING CREDIT BANK CAN BE ESTABLISHED AND CREDITS SOLD. WE ARE ALSO ADDING THAT IN ADDITION TO THE ABILITY TO SELL ANY EXCESS UNITS, THE POLICY HAS BEEN AMENDED TO ALLOW ALL OF THE UNITS IN A 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN WHICH THE CITY FINANCIALLY PARTICIPATES TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR PURCHASE. UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY, ANY PROJECT OF SEVEN UNITS OR LARGER CAN PURCHASE CREDITS, AND THE CREDITS ARE SOLD AT A RATIO OF 1 TO 1. UNDER THE THE POLICY THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, STAFF IS PROPOSING A LIMIT ON THE TYPES OF PROJECTS ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT PROGRAM TO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT PROPOSE MORE THAN SIX BUT LESS THAN 51 UNITS. THE RATIONALE BEING IS OFTEN EASIER FOR LARGER PROJECTS TO INCORPORATE AFFORDABLE UNITS WITHIN THEIR PROJECT THAN IT IS FOR SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS. WE'RE ALSO APPLYING THIS LOGIC TO CREDIT PURCHASES WHERE A SLIDING SCALE CAN BE CREATED OR HAS BEEN CREATED, WHERE A PROJECT'S PROPOSING 20 OR FEWER UNITS CAN PURCHASE ONE CREDIT FOR EACH REQUIRED INCLUSIONARY UNIT, BUT PROJECTS 36 TO 50 UNITS IN SIZE MUST PURCHASE TWO CREDITS FOR EACH REQUIRED INCLUSIONARY UNIT. WHEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE HOUSING COMMISSION LAST MONTH, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF STAFF'S COMBINED AND REVISED POLICY NUMBER 57, AS REFLECTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. WITH ONE EXCEPTION, THE HOUSING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT THE HOUSING CREDIT PRICE BE BASED ON THE GAP AMOUNT IDENTIFIED IN THE KMA REPORT, WHICH IS AT 177,000. UNDER THE CITY'S CURRENT POLICY, THE AMOUNT OF THE HOUSING CREDIT IS BASED ON THE CITY'S FINANCIAL COMMITMENT IN A PROJECT DIVIDED BY THE EXCESS AFFORDABLE UNITS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CITY CONTRIBUTED $1 MILLION TOWARDS A 150 UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT INCLUDED TEN AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WERE IN EXCESS OF THE 15% REQUIRED UNDER OUR INCLUSIONARY ORDER ORDINANCE, THE CITY COULD SELL THOSE TEN EXCESS UNITS AS CREDITS FOR 100,000 EACH. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS METHODOLOGY CONTINUE AND NOT BE CHANGED BASED ON THE GAP OF 177,000, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HOUSING COMMISSION. SO LET ME EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE AND REASON BEHIND THAT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOUSING CREDIT PURCHASE PRICE WAS NEVER INTENDED TO REPRESENT OR ACT AS IN LIEU FEE THAT ATTEMPTS TO CAPTURE THE COST OF GAP BETWEEN THE MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE UNIT. WHEN THE CITY FINANCIALLY CONTRIBUTES TOWARD AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PROJECT, IT'S IN THE FORM OF A LOAN. THAT DEVELOPER REPAYS THE CITY WITH INTEREST. WHEN THE CITY SELLS CREDITS FOR THE EXCESS AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THAT SAME DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THAT REVENUE IS IN ADDITION TO THE LOAN REPAYMENT AND THE INTEREST THAT WE RECEIVE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE CITY GETS PAID TWICE FOR THE SAME INVESTMENT. ADDITIONALLY, APPLYING A FLAT $177,000 FEE MAY ACTUALLY RESULT IN THE CITY RECEIVING LESS FUNDS FOR CERTAIN PROJECT DEVELOPMENT TYPES. SO AGAIN, LET ME EXPLAIN. AS PROPOSED, CREDIT PURCHASES WILL BE BASED ON A SLIDING SCALE WHERE SMALLER PROJECTS, THOSE 7 TO 20 UNITS IN SIZE, MUST PURCHASE ONE CREDIT FOR EACH AFFORDABLE UNIT UNTIL THE UNIT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD. SO THIS RECOGNIZES THE POTENTIAL COST IMPACTS OF SMALLER PROJECTS. LARGER PROJECTS, ON THE OTHER HAND, WHICH ARE BETTER ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, ARE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE TWO CREDITS UNDER THE REVISED PROGRAM. AS YOU CAN SEE, WITH THE SLIDING SCALE, LARGER PROJECTS WOULD ACTUALLY PAY MORE IN THEIR CREDIT THAN THE FLAT FEE PROPOSED BY THE COMMISSION. FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL KEEP THE CREDIT FEE CALCULATION METHODOLOGY AS REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT POLICY. SEPARATE FROM THE IN LIEU FEE AND POLICY CHANGES. THE HOUSING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL LOOK INTO ALLOWING LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS TO PARTICIPATE IN AN IN LIEU FEE PROGRAM, WHERE THEY SUGGESTED ALLOWING PROJECTS UP TO 20 UNITS IN SIZE TO PAY THE IN LIEU FEE INSTEAD OF BUILDING THE INCLUSIONARY UNIT. STAFF RESPECTFULLY DISAGREES WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM THAT ROUGHLY 13% OF CARLSBAD HOUSING STOCK IS AFFORDABLE TO LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. IF GIVEN THE OPTION, DEVELOPERS WILL PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF BUILDING AN AFFORDABLE UNIT. IF THE THRESHOLD IS INCREASED FROM 6 TO 20 UNITS, STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT OVER TIME, AS MORE MARKET RATE HOUSING STOCK GETS BUILT, OUR 13% PERCENT SUCCESS RATE WILL LIKELY DROP, AS IT WILL TAKE TIME FOR THE CITY TO COLLECT SUFFICIENT IN LIEU FEES TO BUILD AFFORDABLE UNITS. AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CURRENT SIX UNIT THRESHOLD REMAIN. IN OUR OPINION, THE PROGRAM HAS AND CONTINUES TO WORK. HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COUNCIL WISH TO PURSUE THIS CHANGE, A CODE AMENDMENT WILL HAVE TO BE [01:00:04] BROUGHT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE DATE, AND THE AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS APPROVAL FROM THE COASTAL COMMISSION. SO IN CLOSING, SINCE THE ADOPTION IN 1993, THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PROGRAM HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AGAIN, WHERE 13% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IS DEDICATED AS AFFORDABLE TO LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. AND OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES, UPWARDS OF $40 MILLION HAS BEEN COLLECTED IN THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, WHICH HAS BEEN USED TO HELP PROJECTS LEVERAGE AGAINST OTHER STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS. THE POLICY CHANGES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED THIS EVENING ARE INTENDED TO CLARIFY AND SIMPLIFY THE INCLUSIONARY PROGRAM, WHILE STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN MEETING THE CITY'S AFFORDABILITY NEEDS AND ENSURING CONTINUED PROGRAM'S SUCCESS. AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE IN LIEU FEE FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT BE INCREASED TO A FLAT FEE OF $8,515. AND FOR PROJECTS 2 TO 6 UNITS IN SIZE, THE FEE BE CHANGED TO $15 PER SQUARE FOOT. GOING FORWARD, BOTH RATES SHOULD BE ADJUSTED ANNUALLY BASED ON EITHER THE CPI OR CCI RATE . FOR THE POLICY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CHANGES AS PRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT BE APPROVED, WHICH INCLUDES MAINTAINING THE CURRENT CREDIT, THE CURRENT FEE CALCULATION METHODOLOGY AND KEEPING THE PROJECT ELIGIBILITY TO SIX UNITS. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION AND WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. WE THANK YOU. THAT WAS PRETTY IN-DEPTH. DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? WE DO. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS KELLY BATTEN. AND WITH THIS, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR. MY NAME IS KELLY BATTEN AND I'M REPRESENTING THE BUILDING INDUSTRY OF SAN DIEGO. THE BIA IS AN ADVOCATE FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, ESPECIALLY FOR MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES. WE DO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS REGARDING THE POLICY CHANGES TO THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND THE IN LIEU FEES BEING DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT. PRIMARILY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PROJECTS WITH 20 OR FEWER UNITS BE ALLOWED TO SATISFY THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENT THROUGH PAYMENT OF IN LIEU FEE, AS WAS SUGGESTED BY THE HOUSING COMMISSION. THIS GIVES DEVELOPERS GREATER FLEXIBILITY WHEN BUILDING SMALLER PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY NOW AT THE HIGHER RATE OF THE IN LIEU FEE. SECONDLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PHASE IN OF THE IN LIEU FEE. THE PROPOSED CHANGE FROM $4,515 A UNIT TO $15 PER SQUARE FOOT IS SIGNIFICANT AND SHOULD BE DISPERSED OVER A FEW YEARS TIME. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU TOOK AN AVERAGE SIZED HOME OF APPROXIMATELY 1600 SQUARE FEET, I KNOW JEFF USED 1200 IN HIS PRESENTATION AND CHARGED $15 PER SQUARE FOOT. THE NEW FEE WOULD BE 24,000. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE FROM THE 4515 CURRENTLY BEING ASSESSED. BY PHASING IN THAT FEE AT $5 PER SQUARE FOOT PER YEAR THAT SAME 1600 SQUARE FOOT HOME, THE NEW FEE WOULD BE $8000, NEARLY DOUBLE THE CURRENT FEE IN JUST THE FIRST YEAR, BUT NOT AS SIGNIFICANT OF A HIT AS A $24,000 FEE ALL AT ONCE. FINALLY, WE HAVE CONCERNS OVER THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE OFF SITE COMPLIANCE. THE CURRENT LANGUAGE DISINCENTIVIZES OFF SITE COMPLIANCE BY MANDATING MORE UNITS OF PROVIDED OFF SITE. THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS THAT A DEVELOPER MAY CHOOSE TO UTILIZE OFF SITE OPTION, INCLUDING THE ABILITY TO PARTNER WITH AN AFFORDABLE DEVELOPER AND REQUIRING A HIGHER AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN CREATE ENOUGH OF A FINANCIAL DISINCENTIVE THAT IS NOT WORTH PURSUING THAT SECOND PROJECT. WE ALL KNOW WE ARE FACING A SIGNIFICANT HOUSING CRISIS HERE IN CALIFORNIA. IT'S IMPORTANT TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO PROVIDE HOMES FOR ALL OF US AND NOT ADD ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JAN [INAUDIBLE] SINCLAIR. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS A GROUP. JOHN NGUYEN-CLEARY REPRESENTING SHIRLEY COLE, RICHARD CARTER, AND JOY EVANS. GOOD EVENING, I AM JOHN NGUYEN-CLEARY. I'M THE CHAIR OF OUR CITY'S HOUSING COMMISSION AND I WANT TO FIRST ASK MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAPPENED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO RISE SO THAT YOU RECOGNIZE WHO THEY ARE IN SERVICE TO THE CITY AS WELL. WE HAVE WITH US OUR COMMISSIONER, SHIRLEY COLE, AND AN IMMEDIATE PAST COMMISSIONER JOY EVANS AND I KNOW PLANNING TO JOIN US, BUT MAY NOT HAVE ARRIVED QUITE YET DUE TO WORK AS COMMISSIONER MARISSA CORTEZ TORRES. AND SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE HER AS WELL. BUT BUT I DO WANT TO THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I WANT TO THANK MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR TAKING UP THIS REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE. AS YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME ADDRESSING THIS SUBSTANTIVELY SINCE 1996, 26 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN NEEDING TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THIS TO KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES. [01:05:03] AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU'RE SPEAKING AS THE CHAIR TONIGHT, NOT AS AN INDIVIDUAL. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE GROUP IS SPEAKING AS A GROUP OF THE COMMISSION? THAT'S CORRECT. I'M SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE HOUSING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION IN LIEU OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND I THINK IT'S NOTEWORTHY TO NOTICE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT'S HAPPENED. ALL RIGHT. THE AND FOR AN IMPORTANT CAUSE. SO I'M GLAD TO BE HERE. SO THE AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND KISER MARSTON IN PARTICULAR DIRECTOR MURPHY. WE HAVE ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER HAVING WONDERFUL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT INTRICACIES OF HOUSING POLICY. AND I THINK THAT ANY FACTS OR FIGURES THAT I GIVE YOU, HE WILL BE ABLE TO VERIFY. HE KNOWS EVERYTHING THAT I'LL BE SPEAKING TO TONIGHT, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH. THE HOUSING COMMISSION, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, HAS CONCURRED WITH THE STAFF AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ELEMENTS OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO IN THE POLICY TONIGHT AND IN THE STRUCTURES. WE HAVE DIFFERED ONLY IN THREE IMPORTANT AREAS AND THE HOUSING COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTED A BETTER IN KEEPING WITH THE VISION AND MISSION OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY A BETTER RECOMMENDATION. AND IT WOULD BE EASY TO LOOK AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TO HEAR THE COMMENT FROM THE BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION AND TO SAY WHAT WE ARE PRESENTED WITH TONIGHT IS A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN FEES AND DEVELOPERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND OF COURSE ADVOCATES WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIGHER FEES AND SO STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED SOMETHING THAT'S IN BETWEEN AND WONDERFUL. SOUNDS GOOD. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THAT IS THAT IF WE WERE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT COMPROMISE SOLUTION, THAT THAT IS A FALSE LENS OF COMPROMISE, THAT ACTUALLY THE HOUSING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION IS A COMPROMISE. AND I'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY. IT'S BECAUSE IN AT LEAST ONE CASE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE DATA FROM THIS STUDY THAT YOU AS THE CITY COMMISSIONED WITH KAISER MARSTON. THIS IS THE DATA THAT WE'RE ALL RELYING UPON AND THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER HOW WE GOT TO THIS PLACE. WHEN DEVELOPERS SAY THAT THESE ARE HUGE COST INCREASES, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THE COST OF HOUSING SINCE 1996. THAT'S WHY IT'S A LARGE INCREASE, NOT BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING THEM TO PAY MORE THAN WHAT IS A FAIR SHARE. IN FACT, ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU CHOOSE FOR ANY OF THESE FEE STRUCTURES OR RATES, THAT IS LESS THAN THAT. THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY KAISER MARSDEN'S REPORT TO YOU IS AUTOMATICALLY A COST SAVINGS TO DEVELOPERS. ANY NUMBER YOU PICK THAT'S IN THAT RANGE OR BELOW IS AUTOMATICALLY A COST SAVINGS TO DEVELOPERS VERSUS THE TRUE SPIRIT OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICY, WHICH IS TO BUILD 15% ON SITE, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ON SITE. AND SO HERE'S WHERE WE DIFFER. NUMBER ONE ON THE ESCALATORY MEASURE. HOUSING COMMISSION RECOGNIZED AS I THINK WE ALL DO, THAT HOUSING PRICES HAVE SKYROCKETED AND THEY'VE SKYROCKETED FAR IN EXCESS OF THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX AND OTHER MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO BY STAFF, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX. NOW, HOUSING COMMISSION, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR, DID NOT SUGGEST A SPECIFIC MEASURE FOR YOU TO USE. WHAT OUR MOTION WAS, IS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE COUNCIL ADOPT A MEASURE THAT IS MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INCREASE IN HOUSING COSTS THAN THE CPI OR IT'S SIMILAR CCI. THE REASON IS BECAUSE YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO USE THE CASE-SHILLER MEASURE, RIGHT? THAT INCLUDES PROFIT OF DEVELOPERS AND INCLUDES ALL THE FEES. YOU WANT TO USE, SOMETHING THAT APPROXIMATES THE REAL COST OF DEVELOPMENT. BUT THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX IS A GENERAL BODY OF BASKETS AND SERVICES. IT'S NOT A HOUSING MEASURE, AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX IS A MEASURE OF HARD COSTS AND LABOR. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE COST OF LAND. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE SOFT COSTS OF DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER A MEASURE THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE SO THAT 26 YEARS FROM NOW WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT 300 TO 400% RATE INCREASES TO KEEP PACE. NUMBER TWO, THE IN LIEU FEE. VERSUS THE 15% INCLUSIONARY ON SITE DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, THIS IS THE POINT THAT THE COST THAT YOU CHOOSE TONIGHT AS AN IN LIEU FEE, THE PER SQUARE FOOT RATE, ANYTHING YOU PICK THAT IS WITHIN THE KAISER MARSTON RANGE AND AT THE LOW END OF IT IS AUTOMATICALLY A COST SAVINGS TO DEVELOPERS VERSUS BUILDING ON SITE. AND SO THE RANGE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY I'M SORRY, NOT RECOMMENDED THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU BY KAISER MARSTON IS THAT THE REAL COST OF DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF IT'S BEING PAID TO THE CITY IN LIEU OF BUILDING ON SITE, IS 25 TO $35 A SQUARE FOOT IN THE VILLAGE BARRIO MASTER PLAN AREA AND 15 TO $25 A SQUARE FOOT ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. [01:10:01] THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS THAT YOU ADOPT THE BARE MINIMUM, THE ROCK BOTTOM THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE KAISER MARSTON REPORT, $15 A SQUARE FOOT. WE WOULD PUT TO YOU AS THE HOUSING COMMISSION THAT THAT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE HOUSING POLICY. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO BUILDING ON SITE. SO ANY NUMBER YOU PICK IS A SAVINGS AUTOMATICALLY VERSUS ACTUALLY BUILDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE WEREN'T PROPOSING SOMETHING DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN STAFF. WE PROPOSED A $20 RATE PHASED IN OVER FIVE YEARS. WE DO PROPOSE A PHASE IN OVER FIVE YEARS, AND WE THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PICK A MEASURE THAT IS SOMETHING MORE THAN THE BARE MINIMUM, BECAUSE CHOOSING THE BARE MINIMUM IS A VALUE STATEMENT BY OUR CITY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIRDLY, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING CREDIT BANK AND THE COST. SO EVERYTHING THAT STAFF SAID TO YOU IS CORRECT. IT'S JUST THAT WE DISAGREE WITH THE THE THE METHODOLOGY OF ASSIGNING THE VALUE OF THESE HOUSING CREDITS, AS WAS EXPLAINED TO YOU. THE HOUSING CREDIT VALUE IS ASSIGNED BY LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THE CITY INVESTED IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, NOT THE COST OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, BUT THE DOLLAR VALUE THAT THE CITY INVESTED. AND THE IDEA, IN A WAY, MAKES SENSE. IT'S HOW MUCH MONEY OF THE CITIES DID IT TAKE TO LEVERAGE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT? THE PROBLEM IS THAT VARIES WIDELY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSING CREDIT BANK AMOUNTS, YOU ONLY HAD ONE RATE THAT WAS SHOWN TO ON THE SLIDE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR HOUSING CREDIT BANK AMOUNTS FROM THE FOUR DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN USED TO DATE, THEY RANGE FROM $43,000 PER UNIT TO OVER $100,000 PER UNIT. THEY VARY WIDELY AND DEVELOPERS ARE ONLY ABLE TO USE THE ONE THAT IS GEOGRAPHICALLY PROXIMAL TO WHERE THEY ARE BUILDING THEIR DEVELOPMENT. SO EVEN THE ACCESS BY DEVELOPERS TO THESE RATES CHANGES ACROSS THE CITY. WHAT WE AS A COMMISSION SAID IS THAT WE DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, THAT WE THINK WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IS USING THE KAISER MARSTON ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU THAT YOU COMMISSIONED TO LOOK AT THE GAP IN COST BETWEEN A MARKET RATE AND AN AFFORDABLE UNIT. AND THAT'S THE 177,000. THAT'S THE ACTUAL COST IN LIEU OF BUILDING ON SITE THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY TO LEVERAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. AND WE THINK THAT PROVIDES CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE CITY AND PREDICTABILITY. LASTLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO THIS IS FOR. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S BUILT IN OUR CITY WAS BUILT NOT THROUGH THESE HOUSING TRUST FUND INVESTMENTS, BUT THROUGH THE ONSITE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE VAST MAJORITY ARE BUILT FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS, NOT EXTREMELY LOW, NOT VERY LOW, LOW INCOME RESIDENTS. AND SO WHO ARE THE LOW INCOME CITIZENS IN OUR CITY. THEY INCLUDE, AMONG MANY OTHERS, THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY KEPT US FUNCTIONING AND SUSTAINED US DURING THE PANDEMIC. OUR LOW INCOME CITIZENS INCLUDE OUR GROCERY CLERKS. THEY INCLUDE OUR DELIVERY DRIVERS WHO BROUGHT OUR NECESSITIES TO OUR HOMES. THEY INCLUDE THE SUPPORT STAFF IN OUR CITY ITSELF. AND THEY INCLUDE THE MEDICAL ASSISTANCE IN THE CLINICS WHO DID YOUR COVID TESTS. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR COMPROMISES, WE NEED TO THINK CLEARLY ABOUT WHAT AND WHOM WE ARE COMPROMISING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS EITHER NOW OR DURING THE COURSE OF YOUR DELIBERATIONS. AND WE THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS. WITH THAT, THEN I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS. AND I THINK DR. BHAT-PATEL MIGHT HAVE HAD HER HAND UP FIRST. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. JUST BRIEFLY, BEFORE I DOVE INTO MY QUESTIONS ON ONE OF THE I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST SLIDES. IT SAID 8515. JUST WANTED TO CORRECT. FOR THE RECORD, IT'S 8529 BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S IN OUR STAFF REPORT AS THE FLAT FEE. SO JUST WANTED TO UPDATE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE MENTIONED IT SO SO FOR QUESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO START OFF WITH, I KNOW THAT WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT VARIABILITY IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY LEVELS AND ALLOWING FOR THAT IN TERMS OF FOLKS THAT ARE BUILDING ANY SORT OF INCLUSIONARY HOUSING. AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THIS WILL DO FOR US AS A CITY IF WE ARE ALLOWING FOLKS TO HAVE THAT VARIABILITY IN TERMS OF THE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING. [01:15:01] THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS STRUCTURED NOW IS THAT THE 15% REQUIRE, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO TO RESERVE 15% OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE POLICY BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THAT WE ARE OFFERING SOME ABILITY TO PROVIDE A RANGE OF AFFORDABILITY LEVELS SO LONG IS THAT THE AVERAGE OR MEDIAN AFFORDABILITY IS AT LEAST 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. THAT WAY, AN APPLICANT HAS SOME ABILITY MAYBE TO INTRODUCE A MODERATE INCOME UNIT, ALONG WITH AN EXTREMELY LOW INCOME UNIT. BOTH OF THOSE HOUSING TYPES ARE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NEEDING TO ACCOMMODATE IN OUR HOUSING ELEMENT. AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE DEVELOPER TO KIND OF COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS TO HELP WITH THEIR FINANCING. BUT PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT PROVIDES HOUSING THAT WE NEED, THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE VARIOUS AFFORDABILITY LEVELS IN OUR HOUSING ELEMENT. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN IT SAYS THAT. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH MY LIST OF QUESTIONS HERE. IT SAYS THAT THE CURRENT CODE REQUIRES THAT THE AFFORDABLE UNIT EITHER BE BUILT IN THE SAME QUADRANT OR A CONTIGUOUS QUADRANT FOR THE CREDIT PURCHASE OPTION. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS, WHETHER IT'S TODAY OR PREVIOUSLY WITH REGARDS TO TRYING TO BUILD HOUSING WITHIN OUR OWN QUADRANT IF WE ARE OFFSETTING ANYTHING. SO I WAS CURIOUS WHY WE CAN'T BE BUILDING IN THE SAME QUADRANT IF THAT CREDIT IS PURCHASED. SO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS THE PROJECT TO BE EITHER IN THE QUADRANT OR CONTIGUOUS QUADRANT. WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE POLICY IS DEFINING OR CLARIFYING WHAT CONTIGUOUS MEANS, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE ARGUMENTS WERE MADE WHERE, YOU KNOW, ALL FOUR QUADRANTS CONVERGE AT SOME POINT. SO THEREFORE THEY ARE, QUOTE, CONTIGUOUS. WHAT THE POLICY CLARIFIES IS THAT IT HAS TO SHARE A BORDER. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING THAT IN THE POLICY. BUT THE CODE SPECIFICALLY STIPULATES THAT IT CAN BE A CONTIGUOUS QUADRANT. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW WE HEARD THE TERMS, CPI AND CCI, IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY ELABORATE FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WOULD BE. SO WITH AND I'LL PROBABLY HAVE PAUL JUMP INTO ACTUALLY, I WILL PROBABLY HAVE PAUL ANSWER IT. HE'S HE'S MORE QUALIFIED. THANK YOU, MR. MURPHY. AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER PATEL, BHAT PATEL, EXCUSE ME. EXHIBIT 11 ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT PRESENTS A SUMMARY OF VARIOUS INDICES, AND SO WE PROFILE IN THAT EXHIBIT CONSUMER PRICE INDEX AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX AMONG AMONG OTHERS. CONSUMER PRICE INDEX IS ESSENTIALLY CONSUMPTION GOODS, SPECIFICALLY GOODS AND CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX IS THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF LABOR AND MATERIALS. WE SHOW THAT THEY ARE BOTH RELATIVELY STABLE RETURNS AND 20 SINCE 1990 625 YEAR AVERAGE 2.7% ANNUAL FOR CCI AND 2.8% ANNUAL FOR CPI. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN I KNOW THERE WAS MENTION OF ON A LITTLE TOWARDS THE END OF OUR STAFF REPORT WITH REGARDS TO ELIGIBILITY IN LIEU ELIGIBILITY AND HOW IT COULD POTENTIALLY INCREASE THAT ELIGIBILITY. SO I WOULD JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT THAT MEANT AND JUST GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION BOTH OF THE BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS THE HOUSING COMMISSION, WHERE THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE AMEND OUR INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL DEVELOPER, A LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS GOING UP TO 20 UNITS TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE IN LIEU FEE. THIS GETS TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE DURING THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WHERE THE STAFF'S CONCERN IS THAT OVER TIME PEOPLE WILL PAY THE FEE AS OPPOSED TO BUILD THE UNIT. AND AS A RESULT ARE AFFORDABILITY NUMBERS, WHICH RIGHT NOW AGAIN IS THAT 13% OF THE HOUSING STOCK THAT WE'VE BUILT SINCE 93 IS IN PLACE BECAUSE OF THE INCLUSIONARY PROGRAM AND BECAUSE IT IS SET AT SIX UNITS OR LESS. STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT WILL DETERIORATE IF WE INCREASE THAT THRESHOLD TO 20 UNITS AS RECOMMENDED BY, AGAIN, THE COMMISSION AND THE BIA. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHERE THE HOUSING COMMISSION WAS AT, WHERE STAFF SAW IT. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE THERE ANY STATE LAWS THAT WOULD PREEMPT US FROM HAVING FEES THAT ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND WHAT ARE OTHER JURISDICTIONS DOING? AND THEN, OF COURSE, DO WE HAVE COMPARISONS AVAILABLE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND HOW [01:20:05] IS THERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN COMPARISON TO US? SO STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE FEE THAT WE ADOPT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE KMA REPORT DOES. IT DOES PROVIDE A RANGE OF DIFFERENT FEE OPTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO TO CHOOSE EITHER ONE, SO LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THAT RANGE, THEN WE CAN DEFEND THAT RATE ON ONE OF THE SIDES WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE ACTION OF THE COUNCIL AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL ON THE FEES, I DO HAVE A COMPARATIVE SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS IN THE REGIONS CHARGE. SOME DO A FLAT FEE, SOME DO A PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. BUT THE SLIDE THAT I SHOW TRIES TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT THE PRICE ULTIMATELY IS. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT A COMPARISON ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD BE TO US IN TERMS OF ARE WE IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. OKAY, GREAT. AND JUST A COUPLE MORE HERE. AND THEN, WITH THE HOUSING CREDIT PURCHASE PROGRAM, WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD WE SEE WITH REGARDS TO THE OVERALL FUNDS COMING IN BASED ON STAFF VERSUS HOUSING CREDIT RECOMMEND OR SORRY, HOUSING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION? SO. SO ON PAGE 13 OF THE STAFF REPORT UNDER THE FISCAL ANALYSIS, WHAT STAFF ESTIMATES THAT IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE INCREASE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT GOING FROM 4500 TO THE $8,500 FLAT FEE, WE WOULD LOOK AT A POTENTIAL ESTIMATED INCREASE OF ALMOST $13,000 ANNUALLY IN REVENUES. IF WE IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO INCREASE THE FEE AND CHANGE THE METHODOLOGY FOR PROJECTS, 2 TO 6 UNITS IN SIZE GOING FROM THE $4,500 PER UNIT TO THE $15 PER SQUARE FOOT, WE ESTIMATE THAT THE INCREASE IN ADDITIONAL REVENUES WOULD LOOK AT AROUND $264,000 EACH YEAR. AND THEN IF IF THE COUNCIL DID SELECT THE HOUSING COMMISSION'S $20 PER SQUARE FOOT, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 366,030 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FEES OVER TODAY'S RATES. OKAY, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I PASS THE MIC. YEP. THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. SO LET ME JUST GO DOWN THE ROW. MR. DARBY, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THIS FEE HASN'T BEEN UPDATED FOR 26 YEARS AND IT'S $4,500 A UNIT. AND THAT'S ROUGHLY HALF OF THE KIND OF NEW FEE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR DOUBLE BASICALLY 8-9000. AND I JUST WONDER IF WE WERE TO GO BACK 26 YEARS WHAT THE COST OF THE AVERAGE HOUSE IN CARLSBAD IS PROBABLY $900,000 NOW. AND IF WE GO BACK 26 YEARS, IF THAT WOULD BE HALF AND THE ANSWER IS, OH, IT WOULD BE WAY, WAY LOWER THAN HALF, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND TEN OR 20% OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW FOR A HOUSE. AND I WANT TO JUST DEMONSTRATE THAT POINT IS THIS IDEA THAT IT'S A HARD HIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT UNIT. AND MY MY OPINION, WE'VE BEEN GIVING A GIFT TO DEVELOPERS IN THE COURSE OF THE LAST 20 YEARS BY NOT UPDATING THIS. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE KIND OF A COST OF LIVING INDEX PROPOSED OR COST OF CONSTRUCTION INDEX, AND THEY'RE ROUGHLY SIMILAR TO ME. I YOU KNOW, IT'S A PICK. I'M AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S THE COST OF HOUSING THAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IN TERMS OF ITS RISE. AND AS I'VE JUST DEMONSTRATED, IT'S FAR MORE BECAUSE YOU ARRIVED AT YOUR NUMBER BY TAKING THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE 26 YEARS TO GET TO THE DOUBLE. AND REAL ESTATE HAS PROBABLY SURPASSED THAT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, SOME HUGE NUMBER, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE COAST. SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HEAR THIS IN 26 YEARS FROM NOW SAYING WE'VE DONE THIS AND AND WE'RE GOOD AND WE HAVE THE SAME EXACT ISSUE. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COST OF LIVING INDEX INCREASE ON THERE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP UP WITH THE PRICE OF HOUSING. IF ANYTHING, AS YOU'RE BUILT OUT AND YOU HAVE CONGESTION ALONG THE COAST, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVEN GREATER INCREASES OF PROPERTY VALUES. SO I WOULD CERTAINLY WHEN WE GET TO THE STAGE OF MAKING A MOTION, I WOULD WANT US TO REVISIT THIS IN TEN YEARS AND NOT REVISIT IT IN 26 YEARS. I JUST THINK THAT'S GOOD PRACTICE TO REVISIT IT. YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, WOW, MAYBE THERE'S AN INDEX THAT WE CAN PUT IT ON WITH RESPECT TO HOUSING, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IN 2007, 2008, THAT WAS DOWN 20 OR 30%. AND THEN IN 2020 AND 2021, IT'S UP 20% OR 30%. [01:25:01] AND IT'S REALLY VARIABLE. IT DOES GENERALLY GO UP, BUT MY GOSH, DO WE HAVE SWINGS ON THAT? SO I THINK IF WE JUST KIND OF KEEP UP ON IT, DO OUR BEST TONIGHT, BUT DEFINITELY REVISIT THIS JUST AS A PART OF THE MOTION IN TEN YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO BE WELL SERVED. SO FIRST QUESTION, THAT'S A COMMENT. FIRST QUESTION IS SO I UNDERSTAND THIS IN TERMS OF SIX UNITS OR LESS, AND I SHOULD PROBABLY PRELOAD THIS COMMENT. I THINK 30 OR 40 YEARS WE'VE BEEN BUILDING PRETTY LARGE TRACTS OF HOUSING 50 AT A TIME, 100 AT A TIME, 500 AT A TIME. AND I THINK THE NEXT 30 OR 40 YEARS, AS WE BECOME A BUILT COMMUNITY, THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT WE BUILT AT A TIME ARE GOING TO BE MUCH SMALLER, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THESE KIND OF SIX UNIT OR 20 UNIT TYPE DEVELOPMENTS. AND JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, SO I'M BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. I PAY A $4,500 FEE I'M SORRY, $8,000 FEE, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, BETWEEN EIGHT AND 9000. BUT THEN ON UNITS KIND OF TWO THROUGH SIX, I PAY A FEE EQUAL TO $15 PER SQUARE FOOT. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE HOUSES AT ROBERTSON'S RANCH ARE OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET, SO A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS ACCORDING TO THIS IS $40,000, 45,000 AND A 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS IS 60,000. SO RIGHT NOW, IS IT JUST 4500 PER HOUSE, UP TO SIX? CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S OKAY. SO THAT IS THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS $4,500 PER MARKET RATE UNIT. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO NUMBERS TWO THROUGH SIX ARE OUR 4500. AND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, SOME NUMBER. IF IT'S A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, IT'LL BE $30,000 AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AS WE GO UP. BUT I THINK MARKET RATE, IN TERMS OF SINGLE FAMILY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER THAT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 40 OR 60,000. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE OF GREAT ASSISTANCE TO US. EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE LOW RANGE, IT'S GOING TO BE OF GREAT ASSISTANCE TO US. MY SECOND QUESTION IS, I NOTICED IN 92 THE RATES WERE ABOUT 11,000, AND THEN THEY WERE LOWERED TO THE TO THE 4500 NUMBER. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE DISCUSSION THAT WENT ON BACK THEN. BUT YOU WOULD THINK THAT SINCE WE LOWERED IT, WE WOULD HAVE A HARDER TIME TO GET TO OUR 15% INCLUSIONARY HOUSING NUMBER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO HERE. AND REMARKABLY, WE'RE OVER 13%. WE'RE VERY CLOSE. AND THEN PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD TODAY, WE'RE LEVERAGING WE'RE GETTING MORE OUT OF IT OR WE'RE ADDING MORE WITH SOME OF OUR MONEY AND GETTING 20%, 25%, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, 30%. SO I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. BUT CAN YOU IS THERE MAYBE SOMEBODY WITH HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE OF 26 YEARS AGO WHEN WE LOWERED THE RATE? I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IT. WHY IS THAT? WELL, AGAIN, THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS STRUCTURED, YOU KNOW, ONE IS THE THE IN LIEU FEE. THE REASON WHY SIX UNITS ARE LESS IDENTIFIED IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU APPLY 15% TO SIX UNITS, IT'S A CREDIT, IT'S A IT'S A PARTIAL UNIT. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S LIMITED TO THE IN LIEU FEE FOR THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS. I THINK LOOKING BACK, YOU KNOW, 26 YEARS, A LOT OF LARGE MASTER DEVELOPMENTS WERE TAKING PLACE AND THOSE LARGE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS INCORPORATED THE 15% INCLUSIONARY UNITS IN THEIR DESIGN. SO THEY DIDN'T GET TO ACCESS THOSE BETWEEN ONE AND SIX. BUT AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE NEXT FEW DECADES, IT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT AS THE PROJECTS GET SMALLER. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO HEAR. MY NEXT QUESTION IS THE CREDIT HOUSING BANK AND THIS, I GUESS, DISAGREEMENT WITH OUR HOUSING COMMISSION. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THEM ALL WHO WERE HERE IN THE SPEAKER WHO SPOKE AS WELL AS HIS STAFF PRESENTATION AND THIS IDEA OF KIND OF 177000 FLAT FEE VERSUS THE METHODOLOGY THAT YOU SHOWED WHERE IN ONE INSTANCE IT'S HIGHER AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ARE LOWER. AND I THINK YOU USED A METRIC OF OF $1,000,000 CITY MONEY AND IT WAS TEN UNITS. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP. THE SPEAKER THAT SPOKE, I BELIEVE, CHAIR OF THE HOUSING COMMISSION THAT SPOKE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS NUMBER IS IS A RANGE AND CAN BE SMALLER OR IT CAN BE LARGER. SO IF WE HAVE A HOUSING SITE AND THE CREDIT THAT WE GIVE, IF YOU WILL, IT'S A SMALLER NUMBER. AND AND I KNOW THERE'S A FORMULA ON HOW THAT'S WORKED UP AND IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT. BUT IT CAN BE SMALLER OR LARGER THAN THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU USED. BUT THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S JUST A ONE SHOT KIND OF MIDDLE MAYBE, OR AVERAGE. BUT IF IT'S SMALLER, HOW DO WE ACHIEVE WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE IN TERMS OF WITH YOUR [01:30:02] METHODOLOGY, STAFF'S PROPOSED METHODOLOGY, I SHOULD SAY WE ARE GOING TO BE A LOWER NUMBER VERSUS THE 177. SO I WOULD I WOULD ARGUE WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUCCESS OF THE HOUSING TRUST FUND OVER THE YEARS WHERE, YOU KNOW, UPWARDS OF $40 MILLION HAS BEEN COLLECTED IN THAT FUND, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT REVENUE SOURCE COMES FROM, IS ACTUALLY IN THE INTEREST FROM THE LOANS WE WE PAY FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AS WELL AS THE CREDIT PRICES, THAT CREDIT PRICE THAT WE GET IN REVENUES FROM THOSE CREDITS FROM THAT SAME DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. AND SO THAT GENERATES CLOSE TO 55% OF OUR REVENUES COME FROM THAT. YOU WERE CORRECT. AND SO GIVEN GIVEN THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM AND WHAT THE CITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THOSE FUNDS OVER THE YEARS, THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU KEEP THE THE METHODOLOGY AS IT IS TODAY. IT SEEMS IT HAS WORKED. IT CONTINUES TO WORK. I KNOW. I KNOW THE CHAIR HAD MENTIONED THAT THE FEE IN SOME OF THE OLDER PROJECTS OR SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECTS WAS A LOT LOWER. YOU HAVE TO ALSO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT THOSE WERE BUILT BACK IN THE NINETIES AS WELL. AND SO THE THE AMOUNT OF CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WAS LOWER. YOU'RE SEEING MUCH MORE INVESTMENT GOING INTO THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, IN MORE RECENT YEARS, WINDSOR PARK POINT IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHERE CLOSE TO $8 MILLION WERE PUT INTO THAT FUND. AND SO AGAIN, IF THAT BECOMES A BANK, AGAIN, THAT, THAT, THAT THAT MONEY DIVIDED BY ROUGHLY 48 UNITS IS GOING TO GENERATE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CREDIT FEE, ACTUALLY, MORE SO THAN IF IT WAS A FLAT FEE OF 177,000. SO IT'S FOR THOSE REASONS WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE KEEP THE METHODOLOGY IN PLACE. WE CAN ALWAYS MONITOR IT AND WATCH IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND AGAIN, IF THE IF THE DIRECTION IS TO COME BACK WITH A GAP ANALYSIS IN EIGHT, TEN YEARS, THEN WE CAN REEVALUATE AT THAT TIME WHETHER IT SHOULD BE ADJUSTED. BUT AGAIN, RATIO AS YOU GET UP IN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE THE ONE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF 177. I JUST DON'T WANT TO FALL DOWN WHERE WE GET SOMEBODY WHO'S PAYING 20 OR $40,000 FOR A CREDIT. AND IT'S A REAL, REAL LOW NUMBER BECAUSE THE PROJECT WAS FROM THE NINETIES. WELL I WOULD SAY IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES THOSE CREDITS HAVE BEEN SOLD OR COMMITTED. SO THE ONES THAT ARE THERE'S ONLY TWO BANKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT A YEAH. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE 24. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK. THANK YOU MAYOR. CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. ACOSTA. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU ALSO TO THE HOUSING COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT SPOKE. I JUST WANT TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY SOME POINTS. I RECOGNIZE THAT WE'VE SEEN SOME SUCCESS IN DEVELOPERS BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS BECAUSE OF THIS, AND WE'RE PROUD OF THAT, ABOUT HOW MANY HAVE BEEN BUILT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM. ROUGHLY, 2500. 2500 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS BUILT BECAUSE WE HAD THIS INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE. THAT'S GREAT. AND CONVERSELY, HOW MANY DO WE KNOW HOW MANY DEVELOPERS GO THE IN LIEU ROUTE? LIKE WHAT KIND OF PERCENTAGE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OF UNITS ARE ARE NOT BUILT BUT THEY PAY INTO. SO ON THE IN LIEU IT'S IT'S 100% BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND THAT SIX OR LESS IT'S A FRACTION OF A UNIT. SO PEOPLE IN THAT SITUATION WILL PAY THE IN LIEU AS FAR AS THE CREDIT. CREDIT. I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO MANDY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME'S MANDY MILLS. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES. SO, AS DIRECTOR MURPHY MENTIONED ON THE IN LIEU FEE, BASICALLY ANY PROJECT THAT'S ELIGIBLE, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE FEE. SO THAT'S PROJECTS THAT ARE SIX OR FEWER. FOR PROJECTS, FOR THE CREDIT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, PROBABLY AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT FIVE UNITS PER YEAR BUYING INTO THE CREDIT BANK. AND THESE ARE GENERALLY PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER 20 UNITS. I WOULD SAY ON AVERAGE THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THE 12 UNIT RANGE. AND SO THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE SO SMALL THAT THEY'RE REALLY HARD TO ABSORB THAT AFFORDABLE UNIT ON SITE. AND THAT'S WHY THEY ELECTED TO ASK FOR TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE CREDIT. AND THOSE RIGHT NOW, THOSE CREDIT PURCHASES HAVE GONE BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR PERMISSION. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND SO AN RELATED QUESTION TO THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHO TO LOOK AT HERE. THE RELATED QUESTION IS HOW MANY OF THOSE BUILDING PROJECTS ARE OVER 50 UNITS? THAT ARE PURCHASING THE CREDIT. THAT ARE PURCHASING SOME KIND OF CREDIT SO AS NOT TO BUILD. [01:35:03] IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN NO PROJECTS OF THAT SIZE THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PURCHASE THE CREDIT. AND THEN SO TO GO BACK TO TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFERING THOSE WHO ARE WHO HAVE MORE THAN 50 UNITS IN TERMS OF A CREDIT? WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS WOULD THEY HAVE? THEY HAVE NO OPTION. THEY HAVE TO BUILD THE UNIT ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT BECAUSE I SAW SOME THINGS THAT MADE ME A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. THE THE ONLY WITH A LITTLE EXCEPTION TO THAT IS IF THEY PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE. AGAIN, IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY, BUT THEY CAN PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE COUNCIL CONSIDER. SO IF THEY HAVE AN OPTION THAT THAT RESULTS IN SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN BUILDING THE UNIT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BEFORE YOUR COUNCIL AND PITCH THE IDEA TO YOU FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. BUT UNDER THE POLICY, WHAT WE'RE LIMITING IN IT TO IS IF YOU'RE OVER 50 UNITS, YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE UNIT. SO A DEVELOPER HAS MORE THAN 50 UNITS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING AND DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE 15%. BUT WHAT KIND OF PROPOSAL? IT'S IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT WHAT THEY MIGHT COME UP WITH. THEY MIGHT LOOK AT VARYING AFFORDABILITY LEVELS, BECAUSE THEY DO KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR NEEDING VERY LOW AND EXTREMELY LOW UNITS. SO THEY MAY COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT THAT RESULTS IN THAT THEY MAY LOOK AT LOOKING AT PROTECTING AFFORDABILITY LEVELS IN AN EXISTING PROJECT OR LOWERING AFFORDABILITY LEVELS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT CREATIVE WAYS THAT AN APPLICANT MAY TRY TO ARGUE THAT THEIR ALTERNATIVE MEETS THE INTENT OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND THE AND THE AND THE AND THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE. HOWEVER, WHATEVER ACTION THAT OR WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION OR IDEA THEY COME UP WITH GOES TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN IT WILL COME TO YOUR COUNCIL FOUR FOR ULTIMATE DECISION. GREAT. THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT FLAT FEE, THE 177 VERSUS THE HAVING THE FORMULA THAT STAFF PROPOSED. AND I WANTED TO SEE ANY OF THE, I LIKE FORMULAS BECAUSE I THINK THAT VARIABLES CHANGE. AND I DO SEE THAT HAVING A FLAT FEE AND WE ARE PROPOSING A FLAT FEE IN ANOTHER WAY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADJUSTING THAT, RIGHT. SO ANY FLAT FEE THAT WE RECOMMEND THE, THE, THE, THE FLAT FEE THAT IS 8529 WITH CPI ADJUSTED RATE. WOULDN'T IT CONTINUE TO ADJUST WITH CPI? CORRECT. WHATEVER WHATEVER INDEX THE COUNCIL ULTIMATELY DECIDES ON WHETHER IT'S CCI OR THE CPI. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPLY THAT RATE GOING FORWARD AND IT BEING ADJUSTED ANNUALLY BASED ON THAT CURRENT RATE. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. IT WOULD IT BE ADJUSTED ANNUALLY? CORRECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH LOOKING AT THE OLD POLICY WAS THAT THERE IS A FLAT RATE AND THERE WAS NO ESCALATOR, THERE WAS NO FORMULA BUILT IN WHERE IT WOULD BE CHANGED. AND THEN SO FOR THE 177,000 VERSUS THE FORMULA FOR THE HOUSING CREDIT THAT THAT WOULD EVEN THE 177 THAT THE HOUSING COMMISSION PROPOSED THAT WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF ESCALATOR IN IT TO THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AN ESCALATOR ON THAT. BUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE FORMULA. IT IS TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT FORMULA AS IT'S IN THE POLICY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. I DO THINK THAT THAT FLEXIBILITY AND THE VARIABILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE COST KEEP RISING FOR EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. I JUST HAVE COMMENTS LATER. MR. BLACKBURN. THIS ISN'T JUST APPLYING TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THIS ALSO APPLIES TO MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE CLOSING STATEMENTS. IN JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED IS THAT OUR SUCCESS RATE, GOING BACK TO THE EARLY NINETIES AND THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABILITY UNITS WE'VE BUILT HAS BEEN SECOND ONLY TO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, CORRECT? I BELIEVE IT'S SAN MARCOS. HAS A.. I SAID EARLY NINETIES. OH, EARLY NINETIES, YES, SAN DIEGO. IF YOU GO TO MID NINETIES, THEN IT'S SECOND TO SAN MARCOS AND WE'RE THIRD. SO REBECCA ISN'T HERE. SO I WANT TO I'M GOING TO DROP THE NUMBER BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. THE QUESTION I GUESS I HAVE IS IN THE EARLY NINETIES, THREE QUARTERS OF THE CITY WAS PRETTY MUCH UNBUILT. TODAY IT'S ALMOST FULLY BUILT. AND SO WHERE OUR FOCUS IS REALLY GOING TO BE ON A DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPE OR A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WILL BE BUILT IN ANY PROJECT AND IN LISTENING TO THE DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES, [01:40:03] IT WOULD SEEM TO ME STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION MORE ALIGNS ITSELF WITH FUTURE GROWTH, DOES IT NOT? THAT IS OUR OUR OPINION, YES. OKAY. SO AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE THREE QUARTERS OF THE CITY LEFT TO BE BUILT. IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH SMALLER PROJECTS. IN FACT, I CAN ONLY THINK OF ONE PROJECT THAT MIGHT GET ANYWHERE NEAR TO A THOUSAND UNITS LEFT IN THE CITY. AND WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT'S GOING TO GET BUILT. SO WHY DON'T WE? MR. BLACKBURN, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE FINAL COMMENTS, WE'LL START WITH YOU AND GO DOWN THE OTHER THE OTHER WAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO MY CONCERN, AND THAT IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE $15 DOLLARS A FOOT, REMEMBER, THAT CHARGE IS GOING TO GET PASSED THROUGH TO THE MARKET RATE RENTERS. AND THESE PEOPLE ARE YOU'RE PUTTING MORE OF A BURDEN ON THE BACKS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTERS OF APARTMENTS, WHO ARE PROBABLY THE LEAST LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR THE SUBSIDIES OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING. BUT WITH THAT SAID, WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IT WAS $20 DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT. AND I WAS NOT PREPARED TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON THE RENTERS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHO HAVE TO PAY THE MARKET RENT. I'M THRILLED THAT OUR STAFF WORKED WITH THE BIA AND BROUGHT IT DOWN TO THE $15 DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT. THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN FEEL IS A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPROMISE, ALTHOUGH I STILL FEEL BAD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING MARKET RENT FOR THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEXES BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE PAYING THIS. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE BIA. I DON'T THINK THE BIA IS GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THEY WANTED, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE HOME, THE ADVOCATES AREN'T GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THEY WANTED EITHER. SO I THINK YOU FOUND A VERY ACCEPTABLE COMPROMISE THAT I CAN BUY INTO. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER NORBY WHEN HE SAID WE SHOULD REVISIT THIS IN TEN YEARS. JUST I DON'T THINK STAFF HAS ANY CONCERN WITH THAT. SO THAT WHEN IT'S TIME, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY MOTION. DR.. SURE. THANK YOU. I THINK FOR MYSELF, IT WAS DEFINITELY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE TWO DIFFERENCES WITH REGARDS TO THE I THINK IT WAS THE THREE VARIANCES WITH HOUSING COMMISSION AND STAFF AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE DEFERRED. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WHILE I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR, OF COURSE, ONCE I'VE FINISHED WHAT MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY, BUT TO ME SO FAR, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE STRUCK SOMEWHAT OF A BALANCE IN TERMS OF MEETING IN THE MIDDLE. I DO KNOW THAT, OF COURSE, THIS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN QUITE SOME TIME. A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I WOULD SAY, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS ESPECIALLY. AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE FINALLY HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. AND I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ESPECIALLY MODERATE INCOME HOUSING, I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR RHNA NUMBERS, THAT'S BEEN THE ONE THAT'S BEEN MISSING THE MOST, OF COURSE. YES, VERY LOW INCOME. LOW INCOME NEED TO BE BUILT. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MODERATE INCOME, IF WE LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS, THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN HIT THOSE AS WELL SO THAT WE'RE GETTING FOLKS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT RETAINING AND ATTRACTING LOCAL TALENT. THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN AS WELL. SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION OF BEING ABLE TO DIVERSIFY AND PROVIDE THAT VARIABILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT FOLKS CAN BRING TO THE TABLE TO WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEANS FOR THEM WILL BE REALLY INTERESTING. I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT DEVELOPERS WILL BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT AND HOPEFULLY PROVIDE US WITH MORE OPTIONS. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE I WOULD SAY IS JUST IN TERMS OF AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS STRUGGLING, RIGHT WHERE I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING. IT'S SO UNAFFORDABLE RIGHT NOW. I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THOSE THAT ARE LOOKING TO EVEN GET IN THE MARKET OR BUY, IT'S SO CHALLENGING BECAUSE THE AVERAGE PRICE IS WHAT I MEAN. I CAN LOOK AT ANY OF THE REALTORS IN THE ROOM. I'M SURE THEY'D BE ABLE TO LET US KNOW, BUT IT'S OVER $1,000,000 DOLLARS AT LEAST IN CARLSBAD. AND IF YOU ARE STARTING OFF AS A YOUNG FAMILY, IT IS CHALLENGING. OR IF YOU'RE WANTING TO DOWNSIZE AS A SENIOR, IT'S CHALLENGING. AND I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE REALLY WANTING TO MAKE THAT LEAP AND ACTUALLY INVEST, REINVEST IN THEIR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. THEY'RE ALREADY INVESTING BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING RENT OR THEY'RE WORKING HERE OR PAYING TAXES OR WHATEVER ELSE. BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS, IS THAT AS WE ADD THESE COSTS AND THAT'S [01:45:06] WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE, IT DOES LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN SAID, IT DOES GO OUT TO THE CONSUMER. AND SO THEN THE CONSUMER IS GOING TO BE PAYING EVEN MORE. AND SO HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT THE BEST BALANCE AS WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK FORWARD? AND I THINK REVISITING DEFINITELY IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS IS REALLY IMPORTANT SO THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO UPDATE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME KEEPING IN MIND THAT, OH MY GOSH, RIGHT NOW THE HOUSING IS SO UNAFFORDABLE. SO I THINK AGAIN, I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY. I'M STILL KIND OF DEBATING WHERE I'M GOING TO GO, BUT I THINK SO FAR, FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH MANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAS BROUGHT FORWARD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. THANK YOU. I TOO AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE COST OF HOUSING AND THIS COMPLEX PROBLEM. HOW DO WE CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND WE KNOW SUPPLY IS AN ANSWER, BUT ALSO SETTING ASIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND HAVING THE PROGRAMS THAT WE DO, LIKE THE HOUSING TRUST FUND AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE DO AT THE CITY TO HELP ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOT VARIOUS LEVELS OF PRICING FOR HOUSING IN OUR CITY. AND YET THE AVERAGE PRICE OF HOUSING IN CARLSBAD IS IS NEAR $1,000,000 DOLLARS. SO IT'S A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH NUT TO CRACK AND REALLY DIFFICULT, REALLY DIFFICULT TO PROBLEM SOLVE. I DO THINK THAT IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT ADJUSTING THE INLAND FEE UP FROM 4515 TO 8529 BASED ON THE CPI IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. AND FOR THE REASONS PREVIOUSLY SAID BY MY COLLEAGUES, WE HAVEN'T REVISITED THIS FEE IN A VERY LONG TIME AND WE NEED TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A GIFT TO DEVELOPERS FOR YEARS. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BUILD INTO THAT FEE ANNUAL CPI ADJUSTMENTS. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THAT. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO CONSOLIDATE OUR POLICY STATEMENTS THAT MAY HAVE SOME CONFLICTING WORDS AND SOME CONFLICTING STATEMENTS IN THEM, AND TO CLARIFY THOSE AND PUT THEM INTO ONE STREAMLINED POLICY SO THAT I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THE HIGHER RATE PER SQUARE FOOT FOR THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING FEE, I DO THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE FAVORED THE 20, BUT I SEE HOW THE $15 DOLLARS IS A COMPROMISE AND SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SO I LIKE THAT TOO. AND. OTHERWISE I THINK THAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ONES THAT I CAN SUPPORT. I KNOW I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I WAS KIND OF CONFUSED BY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW IN THERE. SO I WENT OVER THEM A LOT OF TIMES AND ALSO ASKED MY QUESTIONS HERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO PREVENT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE, WHICH IS TO CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPERS ARE SETTING ASIDE A PORTION OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, AND THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE INTEND TO DO, JUST CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY. THANK YOU. MR. NORBY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AS I LOOK AT THIS ISSUE, I KIND OF I LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT JUST BIG PICTURE OVER THE COURSE OF MANY DECADES, WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE'VE GOING AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. AND I THINK IF I COULD DESCRIBE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS, IT'S BEEN PERIMETER GROWTH, IT'S BEEN LARGE DEVELOPMENT TRACTS. IT'S BEEN PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, PROBABLY 70 TO 80%, 20% ATTACHED HOMES. JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, I KNOW THAT'S THE RATIO IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY, ROUGHLY THAT IN THE PAST AND WHERE WE'RE GOING IN CARLSBAD IS BUILD OUT AND WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF UNITS KIND OF PUT ON US BY STATE REGULATIONS. I THINK OUR CURRENT RHNA CYCLE IS ABOUT 3000 UNITS THAT WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR, AND WE'LL GET TO DO THAT EXERCISE AGAIN EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW WITH ANOTHER 3000 OR SOME ODD NUMBER. BUT WHAT STRIKES ME IS THAT IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVENTORY AND IF YOU TAKE THIS PROGRAM 2500, BUT THEN SECTION EIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THROW ON TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, 3500 UNITS PLUS MINUS KIND OF THING IN TOTAL, 80% OF THOSE UNITS ARE RENTAL UNITS ROUGHLY, AND 20% OF THEM ARE OWNER OCCUPIED UNITS. SO THE FEAR I HAVE IS THAT AS WE GO FORWARD AND WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY PRIMARILY ONE PRODUCT TYPE THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEXT 30 OR 40 YEARS, WHICH IS ATTACHED HOUSING AND HIGH DENSITY SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND IS ALREADY TAKEN FOR THE OTHER [01:50:02] TYPE OF HOUSING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE KIND OF TWO CARLSBAD'S AND ONE CARLSBAD IS GOING TO BE AN OWNER THAT HAS ENJOYED EQUITY AND I'M VERY FORTUNATE. I CAME TO THE CITY AS A YOUNG 20 YEAR OLD MALE, A PERSON, AND BOUGHT A HOUSE, AND HAVE ENJOYED THE EQUITY OF HOME OWNERSHIP FOR 40 YEARS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER CARLSBAD RESIDENT THAT IS A RENTER. AND THEY DON'T GET TO ENJOY THAT EQUITY. THEY GET TO ENJOY HIGHER RENTS AND HIGHER EXPENSES, BUT THEY DON'T GET TO ENJOY THE EQUITY. SO THAT'S THE PART OF CARLSBAD THAT I SEE GROWING OVER THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS. AND I SEE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS COMMUNITY SPLITTING IN TERMS OF TWO GROUPS THAT GO FURTHER APART WEALTHIER, WEALTHIER, WEALTHIER, HARDER, HARDER, HARDER. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S HEALTHY FOR THIS COMMUNITY. SO NOT CONTAINED IN THIS ACTION TONIGHT. BUT AFTER WE VOTE ON THIS ACTION, MAYOR, I'D LIKE A FEW MINUTES TO PROPOSE A MINUTE MOTION WHERE I'D REALLY LIKE US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO SEE HOW WE CAN CREATE FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER PROGRAMS, TO SEE HOW WE CAN CREATE CARROTS FOR SMALLER UNITS AND OWNER OCCUPIED UNITS. SO I LIKE THIS $15 DOLLAR FEE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE BUILDING AN 800 OR 1000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT, YOU'RE PAYING SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN IF YOU'RE BUILDING A THREE OR 4000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. AND THE OLD METHODOLOGY WAS YOU PAID THE SAME. SO I LIKE WHERE WE'RE GOING, BUT I WOULD REALLY, REALLY LIKE STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT AVENUES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO CREATE CARROTS FOR FIRST TIME HOME OWNERSHIP. BECAUSE THE GOAL AND THE DREAM WOULD BE, NO MATTER YOUR INCOME LEVEL, EXTREMELY LOW, VERY LOW, LOW, MODERATE, THAT YOU WOULD GET TO SHARE AND YOU WOULD GET TO PARTICIPATE IN HAVING SOME EQUITY IN GROWING YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR KIND OF FAMILY WEALTH HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY. THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO. BUT I JUST THANK YOU AND I THANK ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THIS COMMUNITY THE LAST 20 OR 30 YEARS. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, VERY FIRST COMMUNITY TO DO A 15% INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. IT WAS HUGE. AND MANY COMMUNITIES ARE JUST CATCHING UP TO WHAT WE DID OVER 20 YEARS AGO. SO WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN FORWARD. WE'VE ALWAYS HELD THIS IN HIGH REGARD. WE WANT TO DO THIS. WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT IT. AND I'M JUST GOING TO ENCOURAGE US TO BE FORWARD THINKING AGAIN AND TAKING A LOOK AT HOW WE CAN PREVENT THIS PROBLEM THAT I SEE 20 OR 30 YEARS FROM NOW WITH KIND OF A GROWING DISPARITY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. MR. BLACKBURN A MOTION. I MOVE ADOPTION OF BOTH RESOLUTIONS CONTAINED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WITH THE ADDITION FOR A RESOLUTION NUMBER ONE, THAT WE REVISIT IT IN TEN YEARS AND RESOLUTION NUMBER TWO AS WRITTEN. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. [5. UPDATE ON RESTRICTION ON OVERNIGHT PARKING ON AVENIDA ENCINAS, MACADAMIA DRIVE AND RAINTREE DRIVE] UPDATE ON RESTRICTIONS ON OVERNIGHT PARKING ON AVENIDA ENCINAS AND MACADAMIA DRIVE AND RAINTREE DRIVE. MR. HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. FINAL COMMENTS. OKAY THANK YOU. FINAL COMMENTS. WE'LL START WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE UPDATE ON OVERNIGHT PARKING ALONG AVENIDA ENCINAS AND MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS LT. JACKOWSKI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT, I'LL BE PROVIDING AN UPDATE ON RESTRICTIONS ON OVERNIGHT PARKING ON AVENIDA ENCINAS, INCLUDING THE AREAS OF MACADAMIA DRIVE AND RAINTREE DRIVE. WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED, COUNCIL ASKED FOR A SIX MONTH UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS ORDINANCE. PROVIDE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROBLEM THAT INITIALLY KICKED THIS ORDINANCE OFF. OUR RESPONSE A TIMELINE STATS AND SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT WE DID JUST TO GAUGE THE COMMUNITY'S RECEPTION TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS ORDINANCE. SO THE PROBLEM WAS WE HAD MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS OF VEHICLES PARKING FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND CAMPING ON AVENIDA ENCINAS BETWEEN PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND POINSETTIA LANE, NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS OF OVERSIZE VEHICLES, AND THERE WAS AN ATTENDANT RISE IN CALLS FOR SERVICE AND CRIME TRENDS ALSO IN THIS AREA. THIS NECESSITATED AN INCREASE IN OFFICER INITIATED ENFORCEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS AREA. ON AVENIDA ENCINAS. THE RESPONSE WAS TO PUT MARKED PARKING SPACES BETWEEN PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO POINSETTIA LANE, AS WELL AS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE MUNI CODE. [01:55:01] 10.40.046, WHICH RESTRICTED PARKING ON AVENIDA ENCINAS MACADAMIA DRIVE AND RAINTREE DRIVE BETWEEN 11:00 P.M. AND 5 A.M.. AND COUNCIL AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN ASKED FOR A SIX MONTH UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THIS ORDINANCE. JUST A REAL QUICK TIMELINE. THE MARKED SPACES WERE INITIALLY PUT IN ON DECEMBER 9, 2020 FROM PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD TO THE COASTER STATION. THEN AGAIN, THE COMPLETION OF AVENIDA ENCINAS FROM THE COASTER STATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO POINSETTIA LANE. THEN ON JULY 20TH, 2021, COUNCIL APPROVED THE NO OVERNIGHT PARKING FOR ALL VEHICLES BETWEEN 11:00 P.M. AND 5:00 A.M.. SOME QUICK STATISTICS REGARDING HOW AN ORDINANCE HAS BEEN DOING IT, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IT, IN THE PRIOR SIX MONTHS TO THE ORDINANCE GOING INTO EFFECT WE HAD A 438 PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES IN THIS AREA. THESE ARE SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITIES BY OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN RESPONSE TO RISES IN CRIME. THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT RVS, QUALITY OF LIFE COMPLAINTS IN THIS AREA SINCE THAT THE ORDINANCE HAS GONE INTO EFFECT, THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN REDUCED DRAMATICALLY, MOSTLY BASED ON THE LACK OF COMPLAINTS THAT ARE COMING IN HAVE BEEN DRAMATICALLY REDUCED, ABOUT A 50% REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS COMING IN FROM CITIZENS AND REALLY THE LACK OF RVS, OVERSIZE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING LOCATED IN THE AREA. WE'VE ALSO HAD A LIMITED NUMBER OF CITATIONS BECAUSE THE LACK OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED OUT THERE TO CITE. IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT PARKING SPECIFIC COMPLAINTS, THIS WOULD COVER THOSE TYPES OF OVERSIZE VEHICLES THAT WERE OUT THERE IN THE PRIOR SIX MONTH PERIOD. WE HAD 55 AND SINCE THE ORDINANCE PASSED, WE'VE ONLY HAD 19. WE REACHED OUT TO THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WERE INITIALLY CONTACTED WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS IMPLEMENTED. WE RECEIVED ANECDOTAL, POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA, SAYING THEY NOTICED A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF OVERSIZED VEHICLES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SEEING IN THE AREA AND THAT THEY HAD ALSO BEEN NOTICING CRIME LEVELS HAVE ALSO BEEN DROPPING IN THAT AREA. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY QUICK REPORT. ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD SPEAKERS. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. COMMENTS. JUST MAJOR THANKS. YOU'VE REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE. AND WE LOVE TO SEE THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS A PROBLEM, IS BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL AND IT COMES UP TO THE DAIS AND COUNCIL TAKES ACTION WITH COORDINATING WITH STAFF AND THEN IT'S IMPLEMENTED AND THEN WE SEE THIS GREAT REDUCTION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. YES. ACTUALLY, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. ON YOUR SLIDE, WHERE YOU HAD THE NUMBERS, MAYBE WE COULD SEE THAT SLIDE. THANK YOU, TAMMY. THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE PERIOD OF TIME RIGHT BEFORE OUR RATE OR ORDINANCE. SO BEFORE FEBRUARY 20, 2021, WAS IT PRETTY LOW NUMBERS? AND THEN THAT WAS THE SPIKE IN FEBRUARY 20, 2021. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS DISTINCTLY ON OUR RADAR. I THINK IT WAS KIND OF THIS PORTION OF COVID THAT WE REALLY SAW, THAT PROLIFERATION OF RVS THAT STARTED TO SHOW UP ON AVENIDA ENCINAS, NECESSITATING OUR RESPONSE TO GO OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY THE OUTCRY FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, ESPECIALLY WATERS END. YEAH, YEAH. I DO REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE STARTED CONTACTING US AND SAYING THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM AND THEIR TRASH CANS WERE OVERFLOWING AND THEY NOTICED THOSE OVERSIZE VEHICLES AND RVS THERE. I JUST KIND OF WONDERED IF WE HAD EVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS THERE BEFORE THAT. AND BECAUSE IT WOULD KIND OF BE NICE TO SEE LIKE THE THE LOW NUMBER AND THEN THE BIG SPIKE AND NOW IT'S FALLING, FALLING, FALLING. SO. RIGHT. BUT I AM REALLY PLEASED THAT THE ENFORCEMENT INTERACTIONS HAVE BEEN LESS BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN LESS VEHICLES OVERALL THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS WORKING. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND THANKS FOR THE UPDATE TOO. AND JUST SOMETHING NOTEWORTHY, REMEMBER, WE HAD AN ORDINANCE WHERE YOU COULD NOT PARK LARGE VEHICLES OVERNIGHT IN CARLSBAD, IT WAS COVID THAT WAS STAYED. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM. YOU JUST COULDN'T DO IT. SO. DR.. JUST WANT TO ECHO THE GRATITUDE AND SAY THANK YOU. I THINK WE'VE DEFINITELY RECEIVED A LOT OF NOTES FROM FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY JUST SAYING THAT THEY'VE ALSO SEEN A DIFFERENCE. SO JUST WANTED TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS. GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. BLACKBURN. WATERS END THANKS YOU. THEY WERE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE PROBABLY THE MOST INCONVENIENCED BY THE MOTOR HOMES THAT WAS PARKED THERE. BUT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHEN WE ALLOWED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB THEN HOW MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THEY ARE. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, JOB WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. [6. SECOND UPDATE ON TRANSITION OF THE CITY’S FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR SOLID WASTE RECYCLING AND ORGANICS SERVICES] MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX. SECOND UPDATE ON THE TRANSITION OF CITY FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR SOLID WASTE RECYCLING AND ORGANIC SERVICE. MR. CHADWICK. YES, SIR. [02:00:01] AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR, JAMIE WOOD. JAMIE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AS MR. CHADWICK SAID, I AM JAMIE WOOD, I'M THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR. FOLLOWING AN RFP PROCESS REPUBLIC SERVICE WAS CHOSEN AS THE CITY'S FRANCHISE HAULER FOR TRASH, RECYCLING AND ORGANICS. AND THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE JULY ONE OF THIS YEAR. SINCE THE APPROVAL OF THAT CONTRACT LAST YEAR, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH REPUBLIC ON A TRANSITION PLAN. YOU RECEIVED AN INITIAL UPDATE ON THIS PLAN IN JANUARY, AND TONIGHT WE HAVE JIM [INAUDIBLE] FROM REPUBLIC SERVICES TO PROVIDE A SECOND UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THE ROLLOUT OF SERVICES TO CARLSBAD. SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK JIM TO COME UP AND I WILL PULL UP HIS PRESENTATION. JIM GROEN I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR REPUBLIC SERVICES HERE IN NORTH SAN DIEGO COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, AND I WILL PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ONGOING FRANCHISE TRANSITION THAT, OF COURSE, TAKES PLACE ON JULY 1ST. MOVING FORWARD IN OUR DECK HERE, JUST A QUICK TIMELINE. BACK IN JANUARY, WE MET VIRTUALLY. IT'S GOOD TO BE IN THE ROOM AND WALKED THROUGH A FEW THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE EARLY IN THE EARLY MONTHS OF 2022. THOSE THINGS INCLUDED WHAT YOU CAN SEE THERE IN WINTER OF 2022, INCLUDING THE INITIAL ENGAGEMENT OF WASTE MANAGEMENT'S CURRENT EMPLOYEES, THAT SERVICE AND WORK IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. WASTE ASSESSMENTS TAKING PLACE AT ALL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. THE DEVELOPMENT OF A WEBSITE FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TRANSITION AND THE NEW SERVICES PROVIDED UNDER SB 1383. A CRC THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A CUSTOMER RESOURCE CENTER. RIGHT. SO CUSTOMER RESOURCE AGENTS AND ADVOCATES THAT CAME ON BOARD IN FEBRUARY TO START FIELDING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TRANSITION, WHAT THESE UPCOMING STEPS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. WE ALSO BEGAN COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND THAT WILL BE ONGOING THROUGHOUT THIS TIMELINE. SO IN THE PRESENT TENSE, I WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, BECAUSE WE'RE REACHING THE POINT WHERE THE RUBBER, QUITE LITERALLY, WILL BE MEETING THE ROAD AS WE BEGIN THIS TRANSITION IN EARNEST WHEN IT COMES TO THE LOGISTICS. THE FIRST THING I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT, HOWEVER, IN THE MARCH, APRIL COLUMN, THERE IS THE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WE ARE HAVING WITH THE WASTE MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES THAT CURRENTLY SERVICE CARLSBAD. WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS AND I HOPE MAYBE AT MY NEXT UPDATE, I CAN PROVIDE SOME SPECIFIC NUMBERS, BUT A LARGE PERCENTAGE, AN OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE OF THOSE CURRENT EMPLOYEES ARE LOOKING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND MAKE THAT TRANSITION OVER TO CONTINUE SERVICING YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, YOUR BUSINESSES, AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT TAKES PLACE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO WE ARE THRILLED ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THE EMPLOYEES ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT AS WELL. SO WE'LL BE CONTINUING TO SEE A LOT OF FAMILIAR FACES THERE. THE OTHER ITEM HERE TO TALK ABOUT, AND IT'S THE PRIMARY ITEM I DO WISH TO UPDATE ON IS THE EXCHANGE PROGRAM FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CARTS. SO I'LL TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT HERE ON THE UPCOMING SLIDES. BUT AS WE LOOK AHEAD, WHAT COMES AFTER THAT, THE ONGOING DELIVERY OF TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT, COMMERCIAL CONTAINER EXCHANGES, THAT THE BUSINESS IS THROUGHOUT TOWN. SERVICE GUYS THAT WILL GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU'LL GET A SPECIFIC SERVICE GUIDE IF YOU ARE A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER OR LIVE IN A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE ONGOING AND REALLY CONTINUOUSLY ONGOING EDUCATION OUTREACH AROUND SB 1383 AND THE RECYCLING AND ORGANICS PROGRAMS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. SO THE MAIN TOPIC TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING IS THE CART REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. IT IS A LARGE UNDERTAKING. IT IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST AND MOST DIFFICULT AND MOST VISIBLE PART OF A TRANSITION LIKE THIS. WE'LL BE VISITING EVERY ONE OF THE 33, 34,000 HOMES IN TOWN AND CHANGING OUT A WELL OVER 100,000 CARTS. IN DOING SO, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RESIDENT AND CUSTOMER FACING PART OF THE PROJECT. SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT TO BEGIN. SO ONE MORE CHANCE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO INFORM COUNCIL AS I'M SURE YOU WILL RECEIVE QUESTIONS FROM YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AS WELL. SO OPERATIONALLY, WHAT DOES THIS PROCESS LOOK LIKE? WE WILL BE ASKING THAT ALL RESIDENTS PUT OUT ALL OF THEIR CARTS FOR ALL THREE COMMODITIES ON THEIR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SERVICE DAY, EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT FULL. WE WILL BE NOTIFYING RESIDENTS IN MULTIPLE WAYS AND I'LL ACTUALLY COVER THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE BECAUSE I REALLY DO WANT TO DRIVE HOME THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COMMUNICATION PIECE AROUND THIS. SO WE'D LIKE ALL RESIDENTS TO PUT ALL OF THEIR CARTS OUT, FULL OR NOT, AND WE WILL THEN MAKE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO RETRIEVE THOSE CARTS. WHEN YOU UNDERTAKE A PROJECT LIKE THIS, DROPPING OFF THREE NEW CARTS AT A CUSTOMER'S HOME [02:05:05] IS PRETTY EASY. RETRIEVING THE NUMBER OF CARTS THEY HAVE IS NOT ALWAYS AS EASY. PEOPLE MAY BE ON VACATION. PEOPLE MAY SIMPLY NOT PUT OUT A CART BECAUSE IT'S NOT FULL. ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU MAY NOT BRING ALL OF YOUR CONTAINERS OUT TO THE CURB ON A GIVEN DAY. SO IF IN FACT, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO RETRIEVE ALL OF THE CARTS FROM A PARTICULAR RESIDENT'S HOME, WE WILL MAKE A TOTAL OF THREE PASSES, SO WE'LL PASS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SERVICE DAY. WE WILL THEN SWEEP THAT AREA THE FOLLOWING DAY. SO IF YOUR SERVICED TODAY ON TUESDAY, WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW ON WEDNESDAY. ONE LAST SWEEP OF THAT ENTIRE WEEK'S WORTH OF COLLECTION ACTIVITY WILL TAKE PLACE THAT SATURDAY. SO THERE'LL BE THREE ATTEMPTS MADE. IT'S NOT OVER AT THAT POINT. IF, IN FACT, IN THOSE THREE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET ALL THE CARTS FROM A PARTICULAR RESIDENCE, THEY CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH US ANY NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE'VE PUT IN OUR COMMUNICATION PIECES, AND WE'LL COME BACK AROUND AND MAKE THOSE FINAL REMOVALS. SO IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION PIECES THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING HERE. SO WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH A VENDOR AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. THEY DO LARGE SCALE CART AND CONTAINER DEPLOYMENTS. AND WE ASKED THEM WHAT DOES GOOD LOOK LIKE AROUND RESIDENT COMMUNICATION? AND THEY SAID ANY METHOD AND EVERY METHOD THAT YOU HAVE. AND WHAT THEY LAID OUT FOR US IS POSTCARDS BY TRADITIONAL MAIL 1 TO 2 WEEKS AHEAD OF THAT ACTUAL EXCHANGE. AND YOU CAN SEE A SAMPLE OF THAT POSTCARD THERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THIS SLIDE, EMAIL NOTIFICATION IF WE DO, IN FACT, HAVE AN EMAIL ON RECORD FOR A RESIDENT WITH A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION, CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES, WE WILL PLACE AUTOMATED CALLS THAT WILL GO TO THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON FILE FOR THESE RESIDENTS. IF THEY DON'T ANSWER, IT WILL LEAVE A VOICEMAIL. AND IF IT'S A CELLULAR PHONE, IT WILL LEAVE A TEXT MESSAGE. SO AND THAT IS PRIMARILY COMMUNICATING THIS THREE PASS METHODOLOGY AND WHAT TO DO IF, IN FACT, YOU ENCOUNTER ANY ISSUES DURING THIS TRANSITION. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IF THOSE OTHER METHODS FAIL, WE ACTUALLY WILL ATTACH A NOTICE TO ONE OF THE CARTS THAT WE DELIVER TO YOUR HOME, EXPLAINING AGAIN WHEN WE MIGHT BE BACK IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RETRIEVE ALL OF YOUR CARTS, AND ALSO THE DIFFERENT METHODS BY WHICH YOU CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH US. AND THAT HANGER OR STICKER, IF YOU WILL, IS THERE AT THE TOP RIGHT OF THIS SLIDE. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND WHEN YOU GET YOUR CARTS DELIVERED, THAT WILL BE ON ONE OF THEM. SO EACH OF THESE PIECES OF COMMUNICATION OUTLINE THE DIFFERENT WAYS THEY CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH US TO ESCALATE ANY ISSUES THEY MAY RUN INTO AND REACH A RAPID RESOLUTION THAT IS OBVIOUSLY A LOCAL PHONE NUMBER, AN EMAIL AND A WEBSITE, WHICH WILL OUTLINE A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION AS WELL. SO THAT'S A LOT AROUND HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THESE COMING WEEKS. THE POINT I HOPE TO REALLY MAKE IS THAT WE'RE TAKING EVERY EVERY AVENUE WE CAN. I EVEN JOKED WITH JAMIE THAT I'LL FLY A PLANE WITH A BANNER DOWN THE BEACH ON THE WEEKENDS IF IT'LL HELP. AND I THINK HE RIGHTFULLY POINTED OUT THAT'S NOT THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY TO NOTIFY RESIDENTS OF WHAT WE GOT UPCOMING. BUT WE'RE TAKING EVERY AVENUE WE CAN. WE KNOW THAT ANY INDIVIDUAL AVENUE WILL NOT REACH EVERY ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS. BUT WE KNOW THAT IF WE MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT WE CAN AND INCLUDE COLLATERAL ON THE PHYSICAL CARTS WE THINK WE CAN REACH JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY. SO WITH THAT SAID, OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL BE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF US. THESE CART EXCHANGES BEGIN NEXT WEEK. SO THE TIMING OF THIS COUNCIL MEETING IS GREAT AND IT'S REALLY WHY WE DID WANT TO VISIT AND AND GIVE THIS UPDATE AND LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, LET COUNCIL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO YEAH, YOU'LL BE SEEING QUITE A BIT MORE OF US ON THE STREET EXCHANGING CARTS AND ALSO SOME UPCOMING EARTH DAY AND EARTH MONTH ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS AS WELL. SO YOU'LL BE SEEING US OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I WANT TO CLOSE BY THANKING JAMIE AND HIS TEAM, AVECITA, TO ALYSSA, ALL OF THEM, FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP THROUGH THIS TRANSITION, BECAUSE IT'S A HEAVY LIFT. IT REALLY IS. AND OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE FULL TIME JOBS IN ADDITION TO THIS TRANSITION. SO THANK YOU. AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE THEM. SPEAKERS. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. QUESTIONS. MR. BLACKBURN. THANK YOU FOR OUTLINING THAT. BUT THE LAST VENDOR HAD, I THINK, THREE DIFFERENT SIZES OF TRASH CANS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KNOW WHICH SIZE TO BRING TO OUR HOMES? SURE. SO WE'RE USING AND WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH WM ON THIS TRANSITION. THESE TWO COMPANIES DO MAKE THESE TRANSITIONS ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS. SO WE'RE USING THEIR EXISTING ROUTE INFORMATION AND RECORDS. IN ADDITION, THE VENDOR WHO WILL BE DOING THE ON THE STREET EXCHANGES IS FULLY EQUIPPED TO IF THEY ARRIVE TO YOUR HOME, WHICH MIGHT SAY IT HAS 396 GALLON CARTS, AND IN FACT, YOU DO NOT HAVE THOSE SIZES OUT. THEY'LL HAVE THEY WILL HAVE THE CORRESPONDING SIZE, IF YOU WILL, AND THEY WILL LOG THAT AS AN EXCEPTION THAT THEY HAVE HANDHELD DEVICES, BUT THEY'LL BE LOGGING ALL THE DATA. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. DR.. YES. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE UPDATE. [02:10:01] FIRST, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I DID RECEIVE AN OUTREACH POSTCARD AS A RESIDENT AS WELL, SO I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED A POLL. I KNOW WE HAD RECEIVED COMMUNICATIONS FROM RESIDENTS THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS THAT HAD BEEN SERVING THEM WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY THERE ARE FOLKS THAT MIGHT HAVE INDICATED INTEREST TO WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE HERE IN THE CITY AS WELL. SO CURIOUS HOW MANY FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING, YOU KNOW, BE BROUGHT OVER. SURE. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN PROCESS OF THE I'LL CALL IT, OFFER AND PRE-EMPLOYMENT PROCESS WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES. I'M HESITANT TO GIVE A NUMBER PER SE, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE CURRENT EMPLOYEES HAVE INDICATED THEIR DESIRE TO STAY AND CONTINUE WORKING IN CARLSBAD. GREAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. YES, THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATED THE SLIDE. I THINK IT WAS THE ONE PREVIOUS TO THIS WHERE YOU HAD THE PHONE NUMBER. YES. AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION MAYBE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW I GET CONTACTED SOMETIMES. I GOT CONTACTED TODAY BY SOMEONE ASKING VERY DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR SIZES OF CARTS AND WOULD THEY GET THE SAME AND THEY'VE GOT TWO GREEN ONES. I SAID I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT. BUT PAY ATTENTION TONIGHT DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING, DURING THE UPDATE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT PERSON IS PAYING ATTENTION SO THEY CAN WRITE THIS DOWN. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE AS WELL. YES, OUR CITY WEBSITE UNDER THE REDUCED REUSE RECYCLE SECTION DOES HAVE A LINK TO ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AS WELL AS AN FAQ. SO FOR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE, THOSE ARE THERE AND THEY'RE JUST CONTINUALLY THE MORE QUESTIONS WE GET, THE MORE WE ADD TO THAT. SO IT'S CONTINUALLY UPDATED. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO GO TO GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER NORBY, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE SAID, LOTS OF QUESTIONS COMING TOWARDS ME. AND SO I HAVE THREE CARTS AND THEY'RE IN REALLY GREAT CONDITION. AND WHY ARE THE REASON WHAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY'RE BEING CHANGED OUT? IS THE MACHINERY DIFFERENT FOR THE CART OR WHAT'S THE WHY? I MEAN, THEY'RE IT'S KIND OF LIKE I LIKE TO USE THINGS UNTIL THEY'RE ALL USED UP OR BROKEN AND THEN GET SOMETHING NEW AND THESE CARTS ARE IN GREAT SHAPE. AND WHY CAN'T THEY BE? WHY CAN'T I KEEP THEM? SURE. SURE. AND PERHAPS JAMIE CAN TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT, BUT SB 1383 COMPLIANCE AROUND THE COLORS OF THE CARTS AND LIDS AND JAMIE CAN TOUCH ON THESE CARTS WILL ACTUALLY BELONG TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CONTRACT. THESE ARE NOT REPUBLIC SERVICES CARTS ONES. CURRENTLY MOST OF THE CITY CARTS ARE ONE COLOR ON THE BOTTOM WITH A DIFFERENT COLORED LID. THE NEW STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE TRASH BE ALL BLACK OR GRAY, THE RECYCLING BE ALL BLUE, AND THAT THE ORGANICS BE ALL GREEN. SO THAT IS A STATE REQUIREMENT. BUT WHAT WE DID DO WITH THIS CONTRACT WAS SO IT NO LONGER IS THE CURRENT BINS AND CARTS WILL SAY WASTE MANAGEMENT ON THEM. THESE NEW ONES JUST SAY CITY OF CARLSBAD AND THEY WILL STAY WITH THE HOMEOWNER FOREVER. SO EVEN IF REPUBLIC IS NO LONGER THE WASTE HAULER, THEY WILL NEVER UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER CHANGE. ASSUMING NO NEW STATE LAW. YEAH [INAUDIBLE] LAW, THEY WILL STAY WITH THE HOMEOWNER. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER. AND SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER I MEAN, I THINK YOU SAID 100,000 CARTS AND THEY'RE PRETTY BIG AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY EXPENSIVE. AND BECAUSE OF A STATE LAW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THEM OUT. AND SO THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ONES WE HAVE? ARE THEY REPURPOSED SOMEWHERE OR DO THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR ARE THEY CHIPPED, RECYCLED? WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? SO I WOULD BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF WASTE MANAGEMENT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT OUR COMPANY WOULD DO, THEY'LL BE EFFECTIVELY BE TRIAGED, RIGHT, TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S REUSABLE, WHAT'S REPAIRABLE. THERE'S A BIT OF PLASTIC WELDING THAT CAN BE DONE TO CRACKED CARTS, AND THEN SOME WILL IN FACT BE DEEMED SCRAP. BUT THEY'RE NOT, IN FACT, SCRAPPED. THEY'LL BE RUN THROUGH A RECYCLE PROCESS. AND SO I GUESS THE ANSWER WAS MAJORITY OF THEM WILL BE REPURPOSED SOMEWHERE IF THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE AND THEN THE ONES THAT AREN'T WILL BE SCRAPPED. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING? OH, COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SHARING THIS WITH YOU. I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED AGAINST REPUBLIC, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DAY YOU COME AND PULL ME ASIDE AND SAY, I TOLD YOU SO. THAT MAKES TWO OF US, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, JAMIE? WELL DONE. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN, THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE TEMPORARY FIRE [7. ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION FOR THE TEMPORARY FIRE STATION NO. 7 PROJECT (CIP PROJECT NO. 4091)] STATION. NUMBER SEVEN, PROJECT CIP, PROJECT NUMBER 4091. MR. CHADWICK. YES SIR AND WE HAVE A TEAM HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER, JOHN MAASHOFF, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OF PUBLIC WORKS PAZ GOMEZ, AND OUR ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF, NICK ORDILLE. FOLKS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS PAZ GOMEZ, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND AS MENTIONED ASSISTANT FIRE [02:15:04] CHIEF NICK ORDILLE AND PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER JOHN MAASHOFF. AND WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT ON ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION FOR THE TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN. OUR RECOMMENDED ACTION IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN APPROPRIATION OF 922,000 DOLLARS FROM THE PUBLIC FACILITY FEE FUND FOR THE TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN. BEFORE WE GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF ORDILLE TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND. THANK YOU. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER GOMEZ AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS NICK ORDILLE AND I AM THE ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF. I WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN PROJECT AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE CITY'S OVERALL PUBLIC SAFETY MISSION. LAST MARCH, THE CITY COUNCIL IDENTIFIED ITS PRIORITY GOALS, ONE OF WHICH WAS TO BRING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH SOMETHING CALLED THE STANDARDS OF COVERAGE. STANDARDS OF COVERAGE IS A DOCUMENT USED BY FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO ASSESS LOCAL RISKS AND DEMOGRAPHICS TO DETERMINE THE PROTECTION NEEDED. THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS AND FINDINGS INCLUDED SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN A WORK PLAN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 2122 BUDGET PROCESS. THE WORK PLAN OUTLINED THREE PRIORITY OBJECTIVES AND CRITICAL TASKS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE OBJECTIVES. OBJECTIVE ONE WAS TO IMPROVE FIRE STATION SIX AND PROCURE AND STAFF TWO NEW AMBULANCES. THIS OBJECTIVE IS NOW COMPLETE. OBJECTIVE TWO IS TO CONSTRUCT AND STAFF A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN IN THE AREA OF CANNON ROAD, WEST OF THE I-5 NEAR AVENIDA ENCINAS, WITH AN ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE OF JANUARY 2023 AND PROCURE A NEW FIRE ENGINE. THE CONSTRUCTION OF TEMPORARY STATION SEVEN IS WHAT WE WOULD BE FOCUSING ON IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY. LASTLY, OBJECTIVE THREE IS TO ESTABLISH A PERMANENT FIRE STATION SEVEN IN THE AREA OF CANNON ROAD, WEST OF THE I-5, WITH THE GOAL OF COMPLETION BETWEEN 2022 OR EXCUSE ME, 2026 THROUGH 2028. THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN. THE ORANGE RECTANGLE DEPICTS THE COASTAL CORRIDOR AREA WHERE INCIDENT CALL VOLUMES AND SIMULTANEOUS CALLS ARE OCCURRING MOST FREQUENTLY. I'LL NOW TURN IT BACK OVER TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER PAZ GOMEZ TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT STATUS. THANK YOU, CHIEF. AS PART OF THE MULTIYEAR WORK PLAN, THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 22 BUDGET INCLUDED $900,000 DOLLARS FOR THE TEMPORARY FIRE STATION EXCUSE ME, FIRE STATION SEVEN CONSTRUCTION. THE ESTIMATE WAS DEVELOPED PRIOR TO DETERMINING THE LOCATION AND SO SITE CONDITIONS AND OTHER CHANGES RESULTED IN THE COST ESTIMATE GOING UP. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD A CIP TO RENOVATE FIRE STATION FOUR IN AN AMOUNT OF ALMOST $5.1 MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH WAS TRANSFERRED BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THE WORK PLAN WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE COVERAGE THAT IS NEEDED AT THIS TIME. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER, MR. MAASHOFF. THANK YOU, MS. GOMEZ. IN JULY OF 2021, FOLLOWING ADOPTION AND PROJECT FUNDING, STAFF BEGAN ANALYZING TWO SITES IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN. THE FIRST SITE WE ANALYZED WAS COMMONLY KNOWN AS CANNON LAKE PARK. IT'S JUST SOUTH OF CANNON ROAD, JUST WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AT AVENIDA ENCINAS. THIS IS A CITY OWNED PARCEL. THE SECOND SITE WE LOOKED AT WAS A TRIANGULAR PARKING LOT ON SDG&E PROPERTY LOCATED JUST NORTH OF CANNON PARK FOR A COMBINATION OF REASONS, INCLUDING ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, PERMITTING CONSTRAINTS AND THE UNCERTAINTY OF TIMELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SDG&E SITE. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT NEITHER OF THESE SITES COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION BY THE TARGET JANUARY 2023. STAFF THEN IDENTIFIED A THIRD POTENTIAL SITE JUST NORTH OF THE NRG POWER PLANT AT 4600 CARLSBAD BOULEVARD. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH NRG STAFF TO DRAFT A LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO DEVELOP THE TEMPORARY STATION AT THIS LOCATION. I'LL COVER ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THIS LOCATION AND THE LICENSE AGREEMENT A BIT LATER. THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY SCOPED INCLUDES TWO RESIDENTIAL MODULAR BUILDINGS, A SPRUNG STRUCTURE OR GARAGE FACILITY, A LAY DOWN YARD, A STAFF PARKING AREA AND DIRECT ACCESS TO CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AND AGUA HEDIONDA LAGOON. THIS SLIDE SHOWS A PROPOSED TEMPORARY FIRE STATION LAYOUT. THE HATCHED AREAS IN RED DEPICT DRIVE AISLES, PROVIDING ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM CARLSBAD BOULEVARD TO THE SITE AND PROVIDING ACCESS FROM AGUA HEDIONDA LAGOON TO THE TEMPORARY STATION. THE LOCATION OF THE SPRUNG STRUCTURE AND MODULAR BUILDINGS IS SHOWN IN BLUE, AND [02:20:01] THE YELLOW HATCHED AREA WILL BE A LAY DOWN YARD WHERE FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL CAN PERFORM TRAINING AND MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES. THE PROJECT REQUIRES PERMITS FROM BOTH THE CITY AND THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION. ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2021, THE CITY PLANNER ISSUED A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE TEMPORARY STATION AT THIS LOCATION. IN JANUARY, STAFF SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, AND ON FEBRUARY 22ND THEY DEEMED THAT APPLICATION COMPLETE. THEY'RE STILL REVIEWING THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS, BUT OUR HOPES ARE THAT IT GOES FORWARD TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION PRIOR TO SUMMER 2022. AS STATED STAFF HAS BEEN NEGOTIATING A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH NRG OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND IT IS ANTICIPATED THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WILL BE FINALIZED SOON AND THE AGREEMENT WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE. ALTHOUGH THE AGREEMENT IS STILL IN DRAFT FORM AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT IS FOR SIX YEARS WITH TWO POTENTIAL ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS. THE LICENSE FEE PROPOSED IS $30,000 A YEAR WITH AN ANNUAL ESCALATOR, AND THE TOTAL FEE FOR THE TERM OF THE LICENSE IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO EXCEED $266,770 DOLLARS. NOW I'D JUST LIKE TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE PROJECT COSTS AND TIMELINE. SO THE ORIGINAL PROJECT SCOPE HAD US ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST OF $900,000 DOLLARS, $300,000 DOLLARS FOR THE DESIGN OF THE STATION AND $600,000 DOLLARS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. SO WHAT'S CHANGED? WELL, SINCE THE ORIGINAL COST ESTIMATE WAS DEVELOPED, SEVERAL CLARIFICATIONS AND CHANGES HAVE OCCURRED AS WE'VE WORKED TO DEVELOP AND SITE THE TEMPORARY STATION. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE PREFERRED LOCATION OF TEMP STATION SEVEN IS NOT ON THE CANNON LAKE PARCEL OR THE SDG&E PARCEL. IT'S ON NRG PROPERTY, A SITE THAT WASN'T UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THE TIME THE PROJECT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE CIP. THERE ARE SOME GREAT BENEFITS TO LOCATING FIRE STATION SEVEN ON THE NRG SITE. HOWEVER, THE SITE ALSO PRESENTS SOME UNIQUE AND UNFORESEEN CHALLENGES. THE CONSTRUCTION OF TEMP STATION SEVEN AT THE PREFERRED LOCATION REQUIRES A DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A LIFT STATION, WHERE WASTEWATER WILL BE PUMPED FROM THE TEMPORARY SITE SOUTH TO CANNON ROAD, ABOUT 1500 FEET, WHERE IT WILL JOIN THE CITY'S GRAVITY SEWER SYSTEM. IN THE PAST 18 MONTHS, THE COST OF MATERIALS AND GENERAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, AND WE KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT CONSULTANT SUPPORT WE NEED ON THE PROJECT AND THE COSTS FOR THOSE SERVICES. AND WE FULLY SCOPED THE PROJECT AROUND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE UPDATED COSTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF TEMPORARY STATION SEVEN. THE TOTAL ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST IS JUST OVER $1.8 MILLION DOLLARS. I WILL NOTE THE ASTERISKS THERE. THE SECOND TO THE BOTTOM LINE, THE LEASE AGREEMENT, AS I MENTIONED, IS STILL IN DRAFT FORMAT. SO THAT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE. AND I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY JUST TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR FIRE STATION SEVEN, TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN. PROP H WAS A CITIZEN LED INITIATIVE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS IN 1982. IT IS CODIFIED AS CHAPTER 1.24 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE. THE MUNICIPAL CODE GENERALLY STATES THAT THE CITY SHALL MAKE NO REAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND OR NO IMPROVEMENT TO REAL PROPERTY EXCEEDING $1 MILLION DOLLARS IN CITY FUNDS UNLESS FIRST APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. THE REQUEST TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS THIS EVENING OR TO APPROPRIATE PUBLIC FACILITY FEE FUNDS. PUBLIC FACILITY FEE FUNDS ARE MONIES CHARGED TO DEVELOPERS TO SPECIFICALLY FUND CIVIC PROJECTS, THE NEED FOR WHICH RESULTS FROM DEVELOPMENT. IN 1983, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED IMPLEMENTING GUIDELINES FOR PROP H, WHICH EXPRESSLY STATE THAT PUBLIC FACILITY FUNDS, FEE FUNDS ARE NOT CONSIDERED CITY FUNDS. BECAUSE LESS THAN $1 MILLION DOLLARS IN GENERAL FUND MONEYS WILL BE SPENT ON THE PROJECT AND PUBLIC FACILITY FEE FUNDS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE PROP H LIMIT. A PUBLIC VOTE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR YOUR ACTION THIS EVENING. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE ANTICIPATED PROJECT TIMELINE MOVING FORWARD. STAFF ANTICIPATES RETURNING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 5TH TO REQUEST AUTHORIZATION TO PURCHASE A MODULAR BUILDING AND SPRUNG STRUCTURE NEEDED FOR TEMPORARY STATION SEVEN. THIS SPRING, WE HOPE TO RETURN TO COUNCIL WITH A REQUEST TO CONSIDER APPROVING A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE NRG PROPERTY. THIS SUMMER WE INTEND TO COME TO COUNCIL TO REQUEST AUTHORIZATION TO BID CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT AND THEN A SECOND TIME TO AWARD CONSTRUCTION. WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION WILL COMMENCE AT THE END OF [INAUDIBLE], 22, AND WE'LL HAVE AN OPERATIONAL TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN IN JANUARY OF 2023. SOME VARIABLES THAT COULD IMPACT THE PROJECT TIMELINE. WE NEED COASTAL COMMISSION'S APPROVAL BEFORE WE AWARD A CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO IF THEIR APPROVAL ISN'T OBTAINED BY SEPTEMBER 2022, THE PROJECT WILL BE DELAYED. IF PERMANENT FIRE STATION SEVEN ISN'T COMPLETED AND OCCUPIED PRIOR TO OCTOBER OF 2022, [02:25:05] THE PROJECT WILL ALSO BE DELAYED. ALTHOUGH NOT CURRENTLY ANTICIPATED, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES COULD DELAY THE PROJECT. AND FINALLY, ANY DELAY IN DESIGN PERMITTING OR CONSTRUCTION OR THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OF THE NECESSARY UTILITIES TO SERVE TEMPORARY STATION SEVEN COULD DELAY THE PROJECT. NEXT STEPS? WELL, AS I MENTIONED IN THE TIMELINE, WE INTEND TO RETURN TO THE COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE STATION. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO DEPUTY DIRECTOR GOMEZ. YES. AND SO IN SUMMARY, OUR RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN APPROPRIATION OF 922,000 FROM THE PUBLIC FACILITY FEE FUND FOR THIS PROJECT. THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. AND FOR THE RECORD, DO WE HAVE ANY WISHING TO SPEAK? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. QUESTIONS. MR. BLACKBURN. FROM THIS LOCATION, WHAT IS THE INGRESS EGRESS GOING TO BE? THE PRIMARY. GIVE IT A WHIRL, NICK. THE PRIMARY INGRESS AND EGRESS WILL BE OFF CARLSBAD BOULEVARD. OH, IT'S NOT UP THERE. SORRY. THAT PROPERTY. IT SUPPORTS THE AQUACULTURE ENTRANCE AND SOME POSEIDON DELIVERY. SO THE MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE OFF CARLSBAD BOULEVARD. IS THAT THE GATED ENTRANCE TO NRG? YES, SIR. YES. WHERE THE SHACK IS CAN MAKE A LEFT OR RIGHT OUT OF THERE, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. DR.. YES. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CLARIFY AND FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND UPDATE. THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD ONCE FIRE STATION TWO IS COMPLETE. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, GREAT. AND WE WOULD BE UTILIZING SOME OF THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED FOR THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURE FOR FIRE STATION TWO FOR TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN. CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. WE'LL BE MOVING THEM OVER UPON COMPLETION OF THE PERMANENT FIRE STATION TWO. GREAT. AND THEN I KNOW YOU ALL MENTIONED THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY TEMPORARY. IT COULD VARY FROM ANYWHERE FROM DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR CONTRACT ENDS UP BEING FOR THE LEASE VARYING FROM 6 TO 8 YEARS. SO WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A PERMANENT HOME. I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD DURING OUR BRIEFINGS. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH FOLKS JUST YET, OR ARE WE STILL IN KIND OF CONCEPTUAL PHASES? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH NRG AS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS FOR THE LICENSE AGREEMENT AND REALLY LOOKING AT OTHER POTENTIAL SITES. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND AFTER THAT, I JUST HAVE COMMENTS. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER. ACOSTA. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND THE WORK PUT INTO THIS. I HAD VERY SIMILAR QUESTIONS COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. BECAUSE WE'RE SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER READING EACH OTHER'S THOUGHTS. BUT FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, ARE WE ON TRACK THERE? ARE WE ON SCHEDULE WITH OUR MILESTONES FOR THAT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN ALSO FOR THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE. I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER TO THAT. AND JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I SAW THAT THE LEASE AGREEMENT WAS FOR EIGHT YEARS. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING STARTED LOOKING AT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE BEFORE EIGHT YEARS. YES, MA'AM. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMENTS. MR. NORBY THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST BOY, I ALWAYS TRY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD I SPEND MY BUDGET OR HOW WOULD I RUN MY HOUSE OR AND THEN JUST TRY AND EXTRAPOLATE THAT? AND I'M A LITTLE, THE NUMBER THAT CAUGHT ME, OF COURSE, WAS THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE OF $900,000 AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL $900,000. AND SO WHEN WAS THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE DONE? AND I'M JUST GOING TO GUESS IT WAS A PRETTY KIND OF ROUGHLY FRAMED AND THEN AS YOU GOT INTO IT. BUT WHEN WAS THE INITIAL ESTIMATE DONE? I WANT TO SAY MARCH. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MARCH OF 2021. OKAY. YES SIR. ALL RIGHT. AND SO MAYBE. WELL, I GUESS WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE OURSELVES AND MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WHEN WE YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ESTIMATES A YEAR OLD AND IT'S I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT IT WAS DOUBLE, QUITE FRANKLY. AND THE MARCH ESTIMATE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. I APOLOGIZE. THE MARCH ESTIMATE KIND OF LOOKED AT STATION TWO AS A BASELINE, WHICH WAS A BIT ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT. SO IT'S ALMOST BEEN TWO YEARS, I GUESS, SINCE WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE PAID FOR THE SPRUNG STRUCTURE AND THE TRAILER FOR STATION TWO. SURE. WE ASSUMED THEY WOULD BE YES. SITES DIFFER AND COSTS DIFFER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I WILL TELL YOU, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT. [02:30:01] I KNOW WE DO OUR KIND OF THREAT ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF DISASTERS AND THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. AND I KNOW THAT, GOSH, 70% OF THEM ARE USUALLY WEST OF FIVE IN TERMS OF REALLY BAD THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN DISASTERS. AND I'M JUST VERY, VERY EXCITED TO GET A FIRE STATION THAT SERVES WEST OF THE FIVE AND WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS FOR THAT REASON. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA FINAL COMMENT. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I SUPPORT THIS DOCTOR. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY, LOOKING AT, OF COURSE, THE DATA AND JUST KNOWING JUST FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT STATION ONE AND STATION FOUR TEND TO BE THE MOST BUSY AT ALL TIMES. AND SO I THINK THIS WILL BE A WELCOME ADDITION NOT ONLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS, BUT FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS. AND OF COURSE, THE WHOLE POINT WAS FOR STANDARDS OF COVER, RIGHT? TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESPONSE TIMES ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE IN A DECREASING DIRECTION. AND I THINK THAT OVERALL, FOR ME, IT'S JUST REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED HALF OF OUR OBJECTIVES FOR THIS. AND SO I'M EXCITED THIS IS GOING TO BE, I THINK, A GREAT ADDITION, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE WEST OF THE FIVE. AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'LL JUST HELP A LOT IN TERMS OF ANYTHING THAT COMES UP. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. BLACKBURN A MOTION. WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY QUICKLY, I CANNOT IMAGINE THE STRESS THAT YOUR FIRE PERSONNEL MUST GET IF THEY'RE GOING TO A HEART ATTACK OR A DROWNING VICTIM ON THE COAST, AND THEY'RE STUCK WAITING FOR A TRAIN TO GO BY. I JUST COULDN'T IMAGINE THAT STRESS LEVEL. I MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION CONTAINED IN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. [8. CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM AUDIT AND STATUS UPDATE ON OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PREVIOUS AUDITS] MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT, OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM AUDIT AND STATUS UPDATE ON OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PREVIOUS AUDITS. MR. CHADWICK. YES, SIR. IN MAKING OUR PRESENTATION IS OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, LAURA ROCHA, AND OUR INTERNAL AUDIT MANAGER, ROBERT THREATT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO TEM AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, LAURA ROCHA, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. WITH ME TONIGHT IS ROBERT THREATT, OUR INTERNAL AUDIT MANAGER, WHO WILL BE GOING OVER THE FINDINGS AND AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AUDIT REPORT AND SOME AUDIT RECOMMENDATION STATUS UPDATES FROM PREVIOUS AUDITS PERFORMED. SO WITH THAT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO ROBERT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU, MAYOR HALL. IS THAT MIKE ON? JUST. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? IS THAT BETTER? YEAH. YOU GOT TO REALLY GET IN TIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TO SPEAK WITH YOU TO PRESENT THE AUDIT REPORT AND AUDIT RESULTS WITH YOU. AND THEN ALSO TO RECAP THE OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PREVIOUS AUDITS. THIS EVENING'S PROPOSED ACTION IS TO RECEIVE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT INTERNAL AUDIT REPORT AND STATUS UPDATE REGARDING AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM AN AUDIT OF THE CITY'S CREDIT CARD PROGRAM. THIS AUDIT WAS CONDUCTED IN FISCAL YEAR 21, APPROXIMATELY THIS TIME LAST YEAR, AND SO I'M GOING TO REPORT OUT THOSE OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. TODAY'S PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE AUDIT OBJECTIVES THAT DROVE THE DIRECTION OF THIS AUDIT. I'LL DISCUSS THE AUDIT METHODOLOGY THAT I FOLLOWED TO PERFORM THE AUDIT, PRESENT THE RESULTS, AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN I'LL PRESENT TO YOU MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSE, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSE TO THE AUDIT RESULTS. AND AFTER THAT, I'LL REVISIT THE OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRIOR YEAR AUDIT. AND THEN LASTLY, WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. SO THE THREE AUDIT OBJECTIVES THAT DROVE THE DIRECTION OF THIS AUDIT, THE FIRST OF WHICH WAS THAT TO ASSESS WHETHER THE DIVISION HAD QUALITY, RELIABLE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT SUPPORTED THE EFFECTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT SUPPORTED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND CARRYING OUT THEIR DUTIES. THE SECOND OBJECTIVE WAS TO EVALUATE WHETHER A SELECTION OF CASE FILES FROM THE MOST RECENT THREE YEAR PERIOD THIS IS FISCAL YEAR 2019, 2020 AND 2021. WE EVALUATED THE THREE YEARS WORTH OF CASE FILES TO DETERMINE IF STAFF WERE CARRYING OUT THEIR PROCEDURES ACCORDING TO GUIDELINES. AND THE THIRD WAS TO ASSESS WHETHER THE CITY'S CASE DATA AND METRICS, WHETHER THE CITY WAS USING CASE DATA AND METRICS TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL INFORMATION TO MANAGEMENT. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE AUDIT OBJECTIVES THAT DROVE THE PROCEDURES, THE AUDIT PROCEDURES. [02:35:02] THE AUDIT METHODOLOGY THAT WAS FOLLOWED DURING THIS AUDIT WAS WAS FIRST INITIATED WITH INTERVIEWS OF CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF AND I.T. DEPARTMENT STAFF TO GET A GOOD BACKGROUND UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORKING CONDITIONS, THE TOOLS THAT THEY USE, AND TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR PROGRAM. THIS DROVE THE AUDIT PLANNING. ADDITIONALLY, DIRECT OBSERVATIONS WERE USED SUCH AS A RIDE ALONG WITH STAFF. I SPENT A FULL DAY OUT IN THE FIELD SHADOWING A SENIOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACE. THE TIME SPENT WORKING WITH BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS ALIKE. AND THEN ALSO THE TIME, THE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME SPENT BACK IN THE OFFICE FOLLOWING UP ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THEIR BUSINESS. ADDITIONALLY, I ANALYZED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DATA THE THREE YEARS THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DATA IS COLLECTED AND MAINTAINED IN THE ENERGOV AND AN ENERGOV SYSTEM, ITS AN ENTERPRISE SYSTEM THE CITY USES. A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIVISIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY USE THIS SYSTEM, BUT IT'S CENTRAL TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM'S WORK AND WHERE THEY DOCUMENT THEIR WORK. AND THEN WE ALSO WE REVIEWED THE CITY POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AND LASTLY, WE REVIEWED NEW TECHNOLOGIES. THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES CONSISTED OF IT'S NOT NEW TECHNOLOGY TO THE CITY, BUT IT'S NEW TECHNOLOGY TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM. AND THIS WAS A REVIEW OF THE APPLICABILITY OF USING TABLEAU. IT'S A DATA SYNTHESIZING PROGRAM THAT CAN TAKE DATA FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT POINTS AND PRODUCE MEANINGFUL, REPORTS. AND THEN WE ALSO EVALUATED THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER THIRD PARTY SYSTEM CALLED GO GOV. AND THAT WAS JUST AN EVALUATION OF ALTERNATIVES FOR THE CITY OR FOR THE DIVISION TO CONSIDER. SO WITH THE FIRST OBJECTIVE. THE FIRST OBJECTIVE, AGAIN, WAS TO REVIEW THE RELIABILITY OF THE CITY'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. PRIMARILY, CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM RELIES ON THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE AND ALSO THE CASE PRIORITIZATION AND PROCESS GUIDE. THE CASE PRIORITIZATION AND PROCESS GUIDE IS A GUIDE THAT PROVIDES MEANINGFUL INFORMATION TO BOTH RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES ALIKE. IT PROVIDES AN UNDERSTANDING OF CODE ENFORCEMENT TIMELINES FOR ENFORCING THE CODE. AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE THE PERTINENT CODE SECTIONS ARE. IT PROVIDES JUST A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS, BOTH FOR EMPLOYEES AND FOR RESIDENTS ALIKE. SO VERY WELL, WELL DOCUMENTED, WELL CRAFTED DOCUMENT THAT GIVES A LOT OF GUIDANCE TO STAFF AND TO RESIDENTS ALIKE. I THINK THE MOST NOTABLE PART OF THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE IN THAT CASE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS GUIDE WAS THE PROGRESSIVE CITATION PROTOCOLS. THE PROGRESSIVE CITATION PROTOCOLS GUIDE STAFF IN HOW THEY WORK THROUGH THE CODE SECTION OR THE SORRY, THE CODE VIOLATIONS. THEY BEGIN BY FIRST RECEIVING THE REPORT, VALIDATING THE REPORT, VALIDATING THE CONCERN. THEN THEY REACH OUT AND THEY PROVIDE A VERBAL WARNING TO EITHER THE PROPERTY OWNER OR BUSINESS OWNER. AND THEN FROM THERE, THEY SLOWLY ESCALATE THE PROCESS. IT WAS CLEAR AS WE GET INTO OBJECTIVE TWO, IT'LL BECOME CLEAR THAT AS I WAS TESTING THAT DATA FOR OBJECTIVE TWO, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE OFFICERS DID ALL THEY COULD TO WORK AND TO RESOLVE THE SITUATIONS AT THE LOWEST POINT POSSIBLE AND TO AVOID ESCALATING TO ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO NOTABLE THAT THIS PART OF THE CASE PRIORITIZATION AND PROCESS GUIDE WAS SUCH A NOTABLE PIECE, A VERY, VERY SOUND PART OF THAT GUIDE. IT PROVIDED THE OFFICERS WITH A VERY CLEAR CUT PROCESS FROM A TO Z AND TO RESOLVE MATTERS AT THE LOWEST LEVEL POSSIBLE. SO ULTIMATELY THE PROCEDURES IN PLACE ARE VERY SOUND, PROVIDE VERY CLEAR GUIDANCE FOR THE TEAM AND FOR RESIDENTS ALIKE. SO ESSENTIALLY, THOUGH, I'VE NOTED THAT THE GUIDE PROVIDES GOOD GUIDANCE TO BOTH RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES ALIKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I PROVIDED FOR FOR OBJECTIVE ONE IS TO IMPLEMENT A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURE MANUAL TO SERVE AS A TRAINING RESOURCE. I'VE NOTED IN TESTING OBJECTIVE TWO THAT THROUGHOUT THE THREE YEARS OF DATA THAT CONSISTENTLY WE'VE SEEN, TURNOVER OF STAFF. AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DEVELOP THAT THE TEAM DEVELOPS A PROCEDURE MANUAL JUST TO SERVE AS A MORE, USEFUL TRAINING GUIDE THAN THE CASE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS GUIDE. THE PROCEDURE MANUAL CAN GO INTO GREATER DETAIL. IT CAN HIGHLIGHT CRITICAL AREAS THAT THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH TO HELP GUIDE NEW STAFF. AND THAT WILL HELP JUST CONTINUE ON WITH THE CONSISTENT SERVICE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING TO THE CITY NOW. AND THEN MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSE TO THIS FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS THEY [02:40:02] CONCURRED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THEY ANTICIPATE TO IMPLEMENT THE GUIDE WITHIN A YEAR. OBJECTIVE TWO AGAIN, IT HAD TO DO WITH TESTING A SELECTION OF CASE FILES FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD TO VERIFY THAT CITY STAFF WERE ADHERING TO GUIDELINES. THEY WERE ADHERING TO THE CASE PRIORITIZATION AND PROCESS GUIDE. WE TESTED CASE FILE DATA OVER THE THREE YEARS. WHAT THIS CONSISTED OF WAS I EXPORTED THE DATA, THE POPULATION OF DATA THEY WERE ANYWHERE FROM 700 TO 900 CASE FILES ENTERED IN THE SYSTEM EACH YEAR BY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND STAFF. AND SO IT IS YOU EXTRACT THAT DATA AND THEN YOU DO A RANDOM SAMPLE. YOU SAMPLE FIRST. FIRST STEP I DID IS I DID A RANDOM SAMPLE AND THAT'S JUST A STATISTICAL SAMPLE OF THE DIFFERENT CASE FILES. AND WHEN I FOUND THAT AFTER RUNNING THAT SAMPLE, I FOUND THAT IT WASN'T A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CASE FILES. AND SO I REVISITED THE POPULATION MADE HAPHAZARD SELECTIONS, WHICH HAPHAZARD SELECTIONS ARE JUST PINPOINTED SELECTIONS THAT I MAKE FROM THE DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AUDIT PROCEDURES PROVIDE A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE AND A REPRESENTATIVE LOOK AT ALL THE DATA. AND THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I THINK, AS I STATED EARLIER, I NOTED THAT STAFF WERE CONSISTENT DESPITE THE TURNOVER IN STAFF THROUGHOUT THE THREE YEARS OF TIME, STAFF WERE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD AND ALL THE AUDIT SELECTIONS, THEY WERE CONSISTENT WITH ADHERING TO THE ESCALATION. THE ESCALATION PROTOCOL IS IN PLACE AND THE CASE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS GUIDE, IT REALLY WAS REMARKABLE. THE CONSISTENCY, REGARDLESS OF THE STAFF, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY PUT IN PLACE, THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF BEING CONSISTENT AND DOCUMENTING IN A STANDARD PROCESS AND RESOLVING THE MATTER BEFORE IT GOT TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE IS JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THE FIRST AUDIT RECOMMENDATION, AND ESSENTIALLY I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT MANAGEMENT SHOULD IDENTIFY A SENIOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO SERVE AS A TRAINING OFFICER JUST TO ENSURE THE CONTINUATION OF EXCELLENT SERVICE AND STANDARDIZE SERVICE ACROSS THE PROGRAM. AND MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSE IS THEY CONCUR WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. AND THEY EXPECT THEIR SENIOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO FILL THIS ROLE FOR THEM. OBJECTIVE THREE WAS TO ASSESS WHETHER THE CITY USES CODE ENFORCEMENT DATA, CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE FILE DATA AND METRICS TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL INFORMATION. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS AMAZING AMOUNT OF DATA THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM IN ENERGOV AND IT'S VERY VALUABLE AND IT'S VALUABLE TO HAVE THIS DATA. YOU CAN PULL SO MUCH FROM THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE FOUND IN TESTING AND DURING THE AUDIT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST STEPS, AS I MENTIONED, WERE TO INTERVIEW STAFF. I MET WITH DAVE [INAUDIBLE], THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM MANAGER AT THE TIME. AND HE JUST HE COMMUNICATED FRUSTRATION WITH SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS FROM THE SYSTEM FROM ENERGOV. SOME OF IT'S REPORTING LIMITATIONS. ANOTHER LIMITATION THAT WE UNCOVERED DURING THIS PROCESS WAS AT THE TIME THE TEAM HAD THERE WERE SEVERAL BECAUSE OF THIS FRUSTRATION, DAVE HAD SUBMITTED SEVERAL SERVICENOW TICKETS. SERVICENOW, ARE THERE HELPDESK TICKETS TO HELP CORRECT TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS OR PROBLEMS? AND SO THE SERVICENOW TICKETS WERE SUBMITTED BY DAVE TO HELP BOLSTER THE INTEGRITY OF REPORTING PROCESS AND REPORTING TOOLS. AND WE FOUND THAT HE HAD SEVERAL REQUESTS. WE FOUND THAT SOME OF THE REQUESTS COULDN'T BE FULFILLED BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY CHALLENGES WITH ENERGOV. AND SOME OF THE REQUESTS JUST HADN'T BEEN ADDRESSED YET AT THAT TIME AT THE TIME OF THE AUDIT. AND TALKING TO DAVE AND INTERVIEWING THE IT STAFF AS WELL, WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT, THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS OR TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS BETWEEN STAFF AND IT TO TALK ABOUT SERVICENOW PRIORITIES AND AVAILABLE RESOURCES. AND SO THAT WAS ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE FOUND. WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE THERE WASN'T A STREAMLINED PROCESS FOR THE DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE. EACH OF THE DIVISIONS THAT USE ENERGOV TO COMMUNICATE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH WITH THE SYSTEM AND THEN TO HAVE THOSE CHALLENGES PRIORITIZED. AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT WAS JUST LIMITED RESOURCES. THERE'S A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT IT PROJECTS, ONGOING AND LIMITED RESOURCES. THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH STAFF CAN DO WITH THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES. SO WITH THAT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRIORITIZE AS A GROUP, HAVE ONE SET OF PRIORITIES AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IN THAT CHAIN UNDERSTANDS THOSE PRIORITIES, UNDERSTANDS THE STATUS OF [02:45:02] THINGS SO THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR PROJECT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD, THEY CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. THEY CAN LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS, SUCH AS USING TABLEAU, WHICH IS AN AVAILABLE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION THROUGH ALL THIS WAS THE DIVISION RECOMMENDED THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THE DIVISION SHOULD LEVERAGE THE EXISTING DATA, IDENTIFY METRICS AND TO WORK WITH IT TO DEVELOP VALUE OUT OF REPORTS. THAT DATA IS JUST SUCH A RESOURCE. AT THE TIME OF THE AUDIT, THERE REALLY WASN'T MUCH GOING ON, MUCH EFFORT TO CAPTURE THAT DATA AND PULL THE REPORTS OUT AND WRITE THOSE REPORTS TO THE MANAGEMENT. IT JUST WASN'T A PART OF THE PROCESS. SO IN TALKING WITH MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT CONCURRED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF MAKING BETTER USE OF THE DATA, IDENTIFY METRICS AND THEN WORKING WITH IT DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE ENERGOV OR TO IDENTIFY A RESOURCE THAT DOES PROVIDE THE REPORTS THAT ARE NEEDED. ALONG WITH OBJECTIVE THREE, OBJECTIVE THREE HAD TWO AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS. THE SECOND AUDIT RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD STREAMLINE DEVELOP A STREAMLINE MEETING WHERE THEY MEET AND DISCUSS THE SERVICENOW TICKETS. REVIEW THEM, REVIEW THE PRIORITIES AND ENSURE EVERYBODY IS IN THE DISCUSSION AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHERE EACH PRIORITY RESTS AND THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES TO MOVE THAT PRIORITY FORWARD. SO MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSE WAS THEY CONCURRED WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. THEY'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED A RECURRING MEETING TO REVIEW THE SERVICENOW TICKETS. THEY IMPLEMENTED THAT CHANGE IN JANUARY THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AND MOVING FORWARD. THE MEETING IS A STREAMLINED MEETING. IT'S ONE MEETING. IT INVOLVES EACH OF THE DIVISIONS. EVERYBODY HAS A HAS AN UNDERSTANDING THROUGH THAT MEETING OF WHERE THE PRIORITIES REST AND WHAT'S MOVING FORWARD AND HOW EACH ITEM HAS BEEN PRIORITIZED. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO NOW TRANSITION ON TO THE OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRIOR YEAR'S AUDIT. THE AUDIT THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS THE CITY'S AUDIT OF THE CITY'S CREDIT CARD PROGRAM. THIS AUDIT WAS PERFORMED IN FEBRUARY 2021. THERE AT THE TIME OF THE AUDIT, THERE WERE EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THERE NOW, NOW THERE'S ONLY TWO REMAINING. THE TWO THAT ARE REMAINING ARE HERE BEFORE YOU. THE FIRST IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAXABILITY OF EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION AWARDS, SMALL GIFTS AND GIFT CARDS. DURING THE AUDIT, IT WAS FOUND THAT AWARDS APPRECIATION AWARDS WERE BEING HANDED OUT OR GIVEN TO TO STAFF. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT STAFF UNDERSTAND THE TAXABILITY OF THOSE ITEMS. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE ADDRESSED. THE SECOND IS TO ENSURE THAT LODGING PURCHASES MADE DURING THE CITY BUSINESS RELATED TRAVEL ARE APPROPRIATE. AND WHEN I SAY APPROPRIATE, THAT'S REFERENCING THE DOLLAR VALUE. LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION FIRST. THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION THAT'S STILL OPEN HAS TO DO WITH THE TAXABILITY OF THOSE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION AWARDS. THIS ITEM IS IN PROGRESS. IT'S BEING ADDRESSED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. EXPECTATION IS THAT IT'LL BE COMPLETE BY JUNE 30TH OF 2022. THEY'RE EVALUATING IRS GUIDANCE CONCERNING FRINGE BENEFITS OF SMALL GIFTS. AND ONCE THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT AND HAVE THEIR ARMS AROUND IT, THEY'LL SUBMIT OR SEND OUT A COMMUNICATION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO STAFF. THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION AGAIN HAD TO DO WITH LODGING DURING BUSINESS TRAVEL, THE VALUE OR THE AMOUNT OF LODGING. THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THIS ITEM. AGAIN, THEY EXPECT IT TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY EVALUATING THE USE, THE APPLICABILITY OF VARIOUS RATE STRUCTURES AND THE PRIMARY RATE STRUCTURE BEING EVALUATED HERE IS THE FEDERAL GSA RATE. THEY'RE LOOKING AT EVALUATING OR APPLYING THAT RATE TO TRAVEL, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN UPDATE OF THE TRAVEL POLICY. AND SO THAT COMMUNICATION IS EXPECTED OR THAT COMPLETED UPDATE IS DUE BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, BRIAN CONNOR. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL IS GREAT TO HAVE TO BE SEEING EVERYBODY IN PERSON. I'M GLAD WE MADE OUR WAY THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC. AND BRIEFLY, I JUST CAN'T GO REALLY FORWARD WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING SCOTT CHADWICK AND THE WORK HE'S DONE AND THE TEAM THAT MUST LIE BEHIND HIM THAT I CAN'T IDENTIFY AT THE MOMENT. [02:50:06] BUT IT'S BEEN A REMARKABLE ACCOMPLISHMENT. THE I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR YEARS. I DON'T REMEMBER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AT THE TIME THAT PURCHASED ENERGOV, BUT ALL MY CONVERSATIONS FOUND THAT THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM WAS ILL SUITED FOR THE COMPLEXITIES OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. THIS DEFICIENCY WAS IDENTIFIED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND IT HAS BEEN COMPOUNDED AS TIME HAS GONE ON. IT'S SIMPLY WAS A BAD MOVE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND INSUFFICIENT FOR THE PURPOSE, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE EVALUATED AGAIN. THE THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO EXAMINE. I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH BEHAVIORS TAKE PLACE. AND THEN RATHER THAN TRY TO ADDRESS THE BEHAVIOR ITSELF, THE THE I WOULD DRAW THE EXAMPLE WOULD IMAGINE LET'S SAY A POLICE OFFICER AT A STOPLIGHT AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CARS ADJACENT TO THE OFFICER, A CLERK BLEW THROUGH THE LIGHT AT THE END. AND THEN THE SO THE OFFICER LOOKED OVER TO THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT AND HE JUST KIND OF GAUGED, WAS THIS A PROBLEM FOR ANYBODY HERE IN THE I GUESS I WON'T DO ANYTHING. WELL, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IN A WAY THAT WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE IDEA THAT OF A COMPLAINT DRIVEN ENFORCEMENT, COMPLAINT DRIVEN ENFORCEMENT IS SOMETHING I THINK HAS TO BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT. I THINK IT'S DEFECTIVE BY ITS VERY NATURE. I'M A BIG FAVOR A FAN OF PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY SHOULD BE THINKING LIKE A CITY MANAGER THEMSELVES. EVERYONE SHOULD BE ENGAGED IN IDENTIFYING AND IMPEDIMENTS TO SUCCESS AND DEVELOPING SOLUTIONS FOR THEM. AND SO WITH THAT, ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS JUST TAKE A DRIVE ON HIGHLAND. ANY OF YOU TAKE A DRIVE ON HIGHLAND SOUTHBOUND AND LOOK, JUST LOOK AT THE RESULTS OF LAX CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS. QUESTIONS? DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMENTS? DON'T SEE ANY COMMENTS. OH, I'M SORRY, DR.. SIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY HELPS US CONTINUE TO PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC. SO I KNOW THAT IT CAN BE CUMBERSOME AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. ACOSTA. YES. THANK YOU. I HAD PRESSED THIS REQUEST TO SPEAK BUTTON. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT YET. SAME THING, RIGHT? AS RAISING YOUR HAND IN PERSON. I ALSO WANTED TO THANK YOU, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THESE KINDS OF AUDITS TO GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR PROCESSES, TO REVIEW THEM, AND TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WILL REALLY FOCUS WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS AND A FINE TOOTH COMB AND GO THROUGH SOME OF THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND RECOMMEND MAYBE SOME SOME CHANGES THAT MAY MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT AND HAVE BETTER PRODUCTIVITY. SO I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I ALSO SOMETIMES FIND LIKE I MAY NOT BE THAT PERSON, I MAY BE MORE OF A BIG PICTURE PERSON SOMETIMES. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEDICATED TO DOING THAT FOR US AND WITH US, BECAUSE IT TAKES ALL OF US TO TO BE A GREAT CITY. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK AND VALUE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. BLACKBURN. I'M GIGGLING TO MYSELF FOR WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA JUST SAID, BECAUSE MY THOUGHT WAS, THIS IS NOT A SEXY TOPIC, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC AND I SURE WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE THIS ON. SO I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU DID. OKAY BUT THAT I THANK EVERYONE AND IT'S TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION SO THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON ON THIS ITEM. [PUBLIC COMMENT] SO MOVING ALONG. DO WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS? YES, MAYOR. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MARCOS LOPEZ. FOLLOWED BY ELLIE ARKIN'S. HELLO. MY NAME IS MARCOS LOPEZ. I'M A STUDENT AT SAGE CREEK HIGH SCHOOL HERE IN CARLSBAD. MY CONCERN WITH THE CITY IS THAT I HAVE NOTICED THAT. [02:55:03] THERE'S LOTS OF TRASH IN THE CITY AND SPECIFICALLY NEAR ROWE ROADS. AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT SOMETIMES TRASH ENTERS THE STORM DRAINS BY THE SIDE OF THE ROADS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU PUT SOME SORT OF BARRIER IN THOSE IN THOSE STORM DRAINS, LIKE A GREAT OF SOME KIND. I HAVE ACTUALLY RESEARCHED THIS A LITTLE BIT AND HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THEY DO TEND TO REDUCE POLLUTION, BUT SLIGHTLY INCREASE THE RISK THE RISK OF FLASH FLOODING. SO. I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ELLIE ARKIN, FOLLOWED BY KATIE TAYLOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR HALL, CITY COUNCIL STAFF. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. I'M ELLIE ARKINS. I'M A 27 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD. I'M VERY TROUBLED AND WORRIED FOR OUR COMMUNITY SAFETY. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE TOP TWO POSTS TOPICS ARE ON NEXT DOOR? IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GET A PULSE ON THEIR COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S CRIME AND THEIR EXORBITANT SDG&E BILLS. THEY'RE JUST EITHER DOUBLED OR TRIPLED THESE PAST FEW MONTHS. SO TONIGHT I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT CRIME IN CARLSBAD BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TODAY. SO MY NEIGHBORS, WE'RE CRYING OUT FOR SOLUTIONS FROM OUR LEADERS. I HEAR MORE AND MORE FROM OUR FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY IN D1 WHO ARE BEING STALKED AND ROBBED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. AND THEY'RE SCARED TO GO ABOUT THEIR DAILY LIVES, AND THEY'RE FRUSTRATED. WITHOUT ANY MEANINGFUL SOLUTIONS TO PREVENT CRIME BY EMPOWERING EACH PERSON TO PROTECT HIM OR HERSELF. THIS WAVE OF LARCENY, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, DUIS, BREAK INS AND THEFTS, WHICH, BY THE WAY, ARE THE MOST COMMITTED CRIMES SO FAR THIS YEAR, IS JUST GOING TO SPREAD AND BE MUCH MORE HARDER TO STOP AS LONG AS IT CONTINUES TO GO ON. SO WHAT HAVE OUR CITY LEADERS BEEN UP TO? THERE WAS A BIG DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION EARLIER THIS MONTH WHERE THE AGENDA INCLUDED EVERYTHING TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BUT NOTHING ON CRIME. SO, MRS. ACOSTA, HOW DOES PENALIZING UTILITY COMPANIES FOR GOING AGAINST GREEN HOUSING EFFORTS ADDRESS A SAFER COMMUNITY? AND MAYOR HALL, WHAT ABOUT THE EFFORT TO TRANSITION A STATE OF CALIFORNIA AWAY FROM OIL? HOW IS THIS GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE LESS DESPERATE? THE DEMOCRATIC SUPERMAJORITY IN SACRAMENTO IS SO DISCONNECTED AND THEY'RE NEGLIGENT TO THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS PEOPLE ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT TODAY. YOU BOTH, MAYOR, MRS. ACOSTA ARE BOTH OUR LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVES AND SUBCOMMITTEES. SO PLEASE HELP THE CITY. I BELIEVE WE CAN BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT WHILE ALSO MAKING OUR CITY SAFER. SO HERE'S MY SUGGESTIONS. PRO TEM MAYOR BLACKBURN, LET'S TALK TO CHIEF WILLIAMS AND LISTEN TO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE A SAFER CITY. AND LET'S RECONSIDER HOW PUNISHING UTILITY COMPANIES AND TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM OIL WILL AFFECT OR HURT CONSUMERS. DRIVE THEM OUT OF CALIFORNIA, WHICH MY DAUGHTER IS DOING, BY THE WAY, IS GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY. CRIME DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE. IT AFFECTS EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT SOCIOECONOMIC OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION. SO, MR. CHADWICK, PLEASE GET CREATIVE WITH THE COUNCIL AND BEGIN REPRIORITIZING YOUR GOALS FOR OUR CITY WITH SAFETY AND FOR CITIZENS. AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KATIE TAYLOR, FOLLOWED BY BRIAN CONNOR. IT'S COLD IN HERE. GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. OKAY, LAST TIME I WAS HERE LAST WEEK, I SAID CRIME, HOMELESSNESS AND INFLATION ARE THE ISSUES, THE THREE CRITICAL ISSUES YOU MUST KEEP YOUR EYE ON. WE CAN'T WORRY ABOUT EMPLOYEES AND THEIR PRONOUNS THAT THEY'RE CALLING THEM. I BROUGHT YOU MY RECEIPT FROM FILLING UP MY TOYOTA VAN, MY GRANDMA VAN. $90.23 TO FILL UP THE VAN. WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, HERE TODAY, YOU'RE DOING YOUR FIVE YEARS STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE HAVE BUDGET BUSTING INFLATION IN FRONT OF US. IF YOU THINK SIX PAYS $6.09 FOR MID-GRADE GAS, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO PLAN ON AT LEAST 7 TO [03:00:06] $8 WITHIN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. AND DUE TO THE CURRENT FAILURE WITH OUR BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN SACRAMENTO, THE OVERALL INFLATION IS GOING TO GET REALLY CRITICAL REALLY FAST. PLEASE WATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE DOLLAR. WATCH YOUR FINANCIAL NEWS. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TODAY TO HEAR DAS SUMMER STEFAN SPEAK ABOUT THE CRIME ISSUE AND WHAT SHE'S DOING IN SAN DIEGO. HER STATS ON WHAT THE HOMELESS ARE DOING AND IMPACTING THE CRIME STATISTICS WAS SHOCKING. BUT SHE DOES HAVE A PLAN. I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU ASSIGN SOMEBODY TO GO MEET WITH HER TEAM IN SAN DIEGO AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. I'D ALSO LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT THE WOMAN WHO MURDERED MARJORIE GAWITT IN 2019 BY STABBING HER AND HER MALE PARTNER 142 TIMES WAS FINALLY SENTENCED. SHE'S GOT LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE. THE MAN WHO IS WITH HER IS STILL FIGHTING IT. SO DON'T TELL ME THE CRIME IS THERE SURROUNDED BY THE HOMELESS. IT'S ALL OVER IT. TODAY WE TOOK A TOUR OF CARLSBAD. THE HOMELESS WERE OUT IN FORCE. I HAVE NEW PICTURES. AND ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN SLEEPING IN OUR PARK WITH ALL HIS JUNK AROUND HIM HAD A SANTA CRUZ T-SHIRT ON. SO IT'S NOT CARLSBAD'S PEOPLE. IT'S PEOPLE FLOODING IN HERE. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS INFLATION SO SERIOUSLY. IT COULD BUST THIS CITY. IT COULD BUST EVERY CITY IN THIS COUNTRY IF WE DON'T KEEP OUR EYE ON IT. AND AS FAR AS REPUBLIC TRASH SERVICES, THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE. IT WAS A SELF-INFLICTED WOUND. AND COUNCIL MEMBERS PATEL AND ACOSTA, I THINK YOU WILL RUE THE DAY THAT YOU MADE THAT VOTE HAPPEN FOR YOUR UNION BUDDIES. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BRIAN CONNER, FOLLOWED BY BARBARA DIAMOND. WELL, LET'S SEE. I WANTED TO RELATE AN EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW. MOST OF YOU KNOW ME FROM THE PAST. I BELIEVE IN DIRECT DEMOCRACY. I BELIEVE IN DIRECT INVOLVEMENT OF THE CITIZEN, IN THE AFFAIRS OF THEIR LIVES. I RESEARCHED PROJECT OF MINE FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF PARKING. IT WAS ATTACHED TO A REQUEST FOR AN AGENDA ITEM. I WANTED TO DO IT BY MYSELF, AND IT WAS A RESEARCH ON THE CITY'S MODERN CITIES AND WESTERN SAN GABRIEL VALLEY. PASADENA. SAN MARINO. SOUTH PASADENA. ARCADIA, MONROVIA. SIERRA MADRE. ALL OF WHICH HAVE OVERNIGHT PARKING BY PERMIT ONLY. FEE STRUCTURES THAT SUPPORT THE REVENUE TO SUPPORT THE ADMINISTRATION OF. AND I SUBMITTED IT IT WAS SEVEN MONTHS OR APPROXIMATELY SEVEN MONTHS BEFORE I HAD A REPLY FROM THE FROM GARY BARBIERI BARBARY THAT THE CITY HE WAS RESPECTFUL. HE SAID WE JUST GOT TOO MUCH ON OUR PLATE WHILE I KNOW THE CITY HAS A LOT ON THEIR PLATE. BUT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA I SAW YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ON CELL PHONE USE, ETC. I'M REALLY DETERMINED TO, THERE'S SORT OF THE SACRED COW AND THIS GOES BACK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL. IN FACT, GETTING BACK TO THE ENVIRONMENT, COMING OUT OF, I MEAN, BEHAVIORS COMING OUT OF ENVIRONMENTS, THAT LAX THING ABOUT THE CITY HAS THESE PERMITS. THESE ARE NON REVOCABLE WITHOUT CASE LAW ALREADY ESTABLISHED PERMITS ARE NON REVOCABLE. THERE'S ESTABLISHMENT OF OFF STREET PARKING. THE GARAGES ARE BE PERMANENTLY MAINTAINED FOR THE PARKING OF VEHICLES, BUT THE CITY OVERLOOKS ALL THAT. THEY DO THAT WITHIN THE HOA'S. BUT THE HOA ITSELF, CC&R IS A PERMIT. THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE ITS PERMITS. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS TO THE GENERAL LAXITY OF IT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS PLACED ON PUBLIC STREETS, STATIONARY VEHICLES CONFOUNDING THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, REPRESENTING THREATS TO PUBLIC SAFETY. AND OF SOMEBODY WHO'S DRIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT'S THE KID CHASING THE BALL, THE DOG THAT TRIED TO CROSS THE STREET OR WHATEVER, WE LOOK AT THE IN THE ANALYSIS FOR THE BARRIO PARKING DEAL THAT THEY NOW ANALYZE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES. THEY LOOKED AT IT AND THEY SAID, HOW MANY? THE SPACES THAT WERE AVAILABLE ON THE ON THE STREETS WERE IN A RATIO OF FOR THE GUESTS AND SPECIFICALLY GUESTS AND INVITEES OF THE OWNERS. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT GOES ON ON THESE STREETS. IT'S A TOTAL ABUSE OF THE STREETS IN TERMS OF PEOPLE JUST LEAVING THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY [03:05:03] PARKED ON PUBLIC STREETS. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS BARBARA DIAMOND. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M A MEMBER OF THE SIERRA CLUB, MAI GEN. SO OF COURSE MY ISSUE IS CLIMATE CHANGE AND I'M HERE MORE OR LESS TO ENCOURAGE YOU ABOUT THE ISSUE OF USING NATURAL GAS FOR OUR BUILDINGS AND HOMES AND THE NEED TO REDUCE THAT. WHICH ONE BIG WAY WOULD BE USING ELECTRIC APPLIANCES IN OUR BUILDINGS AND HOMES? AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WAS THE FIRST TO INITIATE A HEAT PUMP. WATER HEATER REACHED CODE IN 2019, WHICH APPARENTLY THAT'S REACHING A SUNSET AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND I'M HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ENACT LEGISLATION TO REPEAT THAT AND MORE OR LESS LOOK TO THE CODES DEVELOPED BY ENCINITAS AND SOLANA BEACH AS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS. OKAY, LET'S DO FINAL COMMENTS, MR. [COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS] BLACKBURN. NOTHING, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. I'M SORRY. DR. BHAT PATEL. SURE, THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO SAY, I KNOW WE HAD A GREAT STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP LAST WEEK. GREAT ROBUST DISCUSSION AROUND PLANNING FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING MORE DISCUSSIONS. I KNOW WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH SOME DIRECTION. OTHER THAN THAT, I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR WEEK. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. YES, THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING THAT IS GOING ON THIS WEEK OUTSIDE OF THIS IS WE'VE GOT A WASTEWATER AUTHORITY MEETING. MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN AND I TOMORROW. AND SO THAT THAT'S ANOTHER ONE COMING UP THAT ANYBODY CAN WATCH ONLINE. AND OTHER THAN THAT, JUST BUSY, BUSY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO OFFICE HOURS EVERY THURSDAY AFTERNOON THAT'S LISTED ON THE WEBSITE ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO CALL ME THURSDAY AFTERNOONS. THAT'S MY OPEN OFFICE HOURS. THANK YOU, MR. NORBY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AS WE HAD OUR HOUSING DISCUSSION TODAY AND WE WERE BRIEFED YESTERDAY BY STAFF, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK STAFF IF THEY HAD CONSIDERED ANY CARROTS, IF YOU WILL, FOR HOME OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL AND THE FEE STRUCTURES AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING, IF THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION ON THEIR WORKUP OF THIS VERY, VERY COMPLEX PROBLEM. AND THE INDICATION FROM STAFF WAS, NO, THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD DISCUSSED. BUT I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING IN TERMS OF SO MANY RENTAL UNITS AND SEE IF WE CAN CREATE SOME FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER OPPORTUNITY AND OPPORTUNITIES. I KNEW THAT THAT WAS COMPLEX AND IT COULDN'T HAPPEN IN 24 HOURS. AND SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS TO OFFER A MINUTE MOTION, AND I HOPE I HAVE SOME SUPPORT TO BRING TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITHIN OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS FOR FIRST TIME TO CREATE FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER, AS WELL AS TO CREATE INCENTIVES FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP. SO WE CAN HAVE HOMEOWNERSHIP AT ALL LEVELS OF OUR SOCIETY, NOT JUST THE HIGH LEVEL OR THE MODERATE LEVEL. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MINUTE MOTION AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF BRING THAT BACK WITHIN SIX MONTHS. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND THIS AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH, I'D REALLY LIKE TO CHALLENGE STAFF. I THINK OUR STAFF IS AMAZING. I THINK WHAT WE DID WITH THE HOUSING INCLUSIONARY HOUSING PROGRAM 26 YEARS AGO WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND I WANT TO CHALLENGE OUR STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAYS THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE HOMEOWNERSHIP AT ALL LEVELS OF OUR ECONOMY. AND WE JUST DON'T DEFAULT THE EXTREMELY LOW, LOW INTO KIND OF A RENTAL SITUATION THAT THEY ALSO CAN ENJOY SOME EQUITY. SO I WANT TO CHALLENGE I ALSO WANT THEM TO TAKE A LOOK PERHAPS THROUGH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OUTREACH THAT WE DO IN THE CITY TO OUR LARGE EMPLOYERS TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF EMPLOYEE BENEFIT PROGRAM THAT CAN ALSO BENEFIT IN THAT THEY HAVE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT INCENTIVES THAT ARE GIVEN OUT IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY RIGHT. AND SO I THINK A AN OWNER IS A PERHAPS A MORE LONG TERM EMPLOYEE OR MORE WORTHWHILE EMPLOYEE. SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE STAFF RESEARCH THAT FULLY. AND THERE ARE SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL TO HAVE THAT RESEARCH AND THEN TO BRING IT BACK TO US IN SIX MONTHS. IT SOUNDS LIKE A BROAD DISCUSSION. I CAN SECOND ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE TO MR. CHADWICK DOES SIX MONTHS SEEM LIKE A GOOD TIMELINE FOR YOU? [03:10:02] AND WE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, IS CONSISTENT OR AT LEAST WOULD BE INCLUDED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING EFFORTS. SIX MONTHS. WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL GET BACK WITH STAFF AND WE'LL COME UP WITH A BETTER TRUE TIME ESTIMATE IF WE CAN. IF WE MISS THE MARK, THEN WE'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT TO COUNCIL TO INDICATE THAT. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT. SO WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. GREAT, I'LL KEEP MY SECOND. JUST AS A POINT OF CONVERSATION. I MEAN, ALL THIS IS TO PUT IT BACK ON AN AGENDA FOR US TO DISCUSS CORRECT? I JUST WONDER IF IT WOULDN'T MAKE SOME SENSE IF WE WERE TO DO IT WHEN IT'S OUR STRATEGIC PLAN COMING BACK TO US? THE NEXT STRATEGIC PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK IN APRIL. AND THAT'S, I BELIEVE IS IT APRIL 20TH THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THE? YEAH, SO THAT'LL BE THE CIP DISCUSSION AND ALONG WITH THE RESULTS OF THE REVENUE STUDY. AND THEN WE WOULD BE COMING BACK AND JASON REMIND ME IT'S IN MAY THEN. I'M SORRY. JUNE-JULY TIMEFRAME IS WHEN WE WOULD BE BACK TO HAVE THE NEXT ITERATION OF WORK PLANS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY AROUND ALSO, BUT WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING INDIVIDUALLY, EVERYBODY SAYS, YES, YES, GO, GO. I WOULD JUST WANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AMONG THE OTHER TEN OR 12 ITEMS THAT WE ALSO WANT TO DISCUSS. AND FOR ALL OF US TO SIT DOWN AND NOT LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM, BUT HOW WE LOOK AT THIS COLLECTIVELY BECAUSE THEY ALL TAKE TIME AND ENERGY AND JUST TO HAVE AN OVERALL DISCUSSION OF WHAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT LOOK LIKE. SO IS THAT POSSIBLE? BUT WOULD THAT WORK, JASON? KEMP GAIN NODS FROM JASON THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN DISCUSSION. MR. MAYOR, IF I WOULD, I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IF STAFF CAN DO THE WORK AND I THINK CLARITY ON YOUR REQUEST IS THAT TO KIND OF HOLD OFF ON STAFF TO START DOING THIS WORK UNTIL WE DECIDE IT'S A PRIORITY AT A GOAL SETTING, OR ARE YOU STAFF'S NOT GOING TO DO THE WORK UNTIL WE TELL THEM GO AND WE CAN'T TELL THEM GO TONIGHT UNTIL WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT? YEAH. SO I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT WE COULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITHIN 30 DAYS TO HIT THE GO BUTTON AND THEN. YES. SO I MEAN, MY MINUTE MOTION IS TO DO JUST THAT, IS TO SAY THIS IS AN ISSUE, THE HOUSING ISSUE IN TOTAL IN TERMS OF THE UNSHELTERED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM, EVERYTHING IS A CURRENT WORK PROJECT OF THE CITY. IT'S HUGE. THIS IS AN AREA THAT HASN'T BEEN KIND OF ADDRESSED BY STAFF AND I'D LIKE THEM TO DO THAT AND GET STARTED AND BRING SOMETHING BACK. I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BRING IT BACK IN THREE MONTHS AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN OR THE KIND OF GOAL PRIORITIZATION. NOR DO I WANT TO WAIT THREE MONTHS UNTIL WE GIVE THEM DIRECTION TO GET STARTED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I'D LIKE THEM TO GET I'D LIKE THEM TO GET STARTED ON IT AND BRING US BACK, HOPEFULLY SOME OPTIONS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. SO I GUESS I JUST NEED TO ASK MISS BREWER. SO I'M. UNDERSTANDING PROCESS. CLEARLY, HOW FAR CAN WE GO TONIGHT WITHOUT THIS BEING AN AGENDA ITEM? TONIGHT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. SO. I THINK THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS CORRECT IN THAT IF THERE'S A SIX MONTH PARAMETER, WE'LL BRING IT BACK AS SOON AS WE CAN, IF WE CAN BRING BACK SOMETHING MEANINGFUL. AND THAT FOR THE STRATEGIC PLANNING AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER WE CAN OR CAN'T, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE MANAGER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHEN WE BRING THAT TO YOU. AND SO PERHAPS I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND POLICY AND PROCEDURE THEN I THOUGHT BEFORE WE COULD EVEN GIVE THAT DIRECTION, IT HAD TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM. SO MAYBE I STAND CORRECTED. WELL, THE COUNCIL CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, SO YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY DETERMINATIONS, SUBSTANTIVE DETERMINATIONS. TONIGHT, ALL YOU CAN DO IS AVOID DISCUSSING THE ITEM SUBSTANTIVELY AND PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR A SUBSTANTIAL DISCUSSION. AND MY AND MY ASK IS TO PLACE IT ON AN AGENDA ITEM SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. OKAY. WELL RESEARCHED. MR. BLACKBURN. JUST A QUICK QUESTION OF OF CITY MANAGER. IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR STAFF IS BEING MINUTE MOTION TO DEATH. AND WHEN WE DO PUT SOMETHING ON AS A MINUTE MOTION, SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO COME OFF. STAFF CAN ONLY HANDLE SO MUCH. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON ANYWAY? IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR GOAL SETTING? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT THE STAFF, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING IN LIEU FEE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN, WHAT ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY MAKE. NOW, THAT SAID, IF WE HAD SOME SUBSTANTIVE WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A PLAN, NO, WE HAVE NOT. SO WE WOULD WOULD REQUIRE BRAINPOWER SITTING DOWN AND TRYING TO SPITBALL ON [03:15:05] SOME THINGS OR CONDUCTING SOME RESEARCH. ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, IT IS THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL ASSIGNMENT. SO IT IS GOING SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SET OFF TO THE SIDE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. AND WHAT THAT SOMETHING IS, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK WITH APPROPRIATE STAFF, AND THAT'S WHY WE COULD FOLLOW UP WITH A WRITTEN REPORT TO COUNCIL, OR AT LEAST A MEMO TALKING ABOUT TIME AND POTENTIAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUEST. SO NOTHING IF WE IF WE VOTE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT MR. B'S MOTION. NOTHING'S COMING OFF OF THE OTHER END. ANOTHER PRIORITY ISN'T BEING PUT ASIDE RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST TO BRING IT BACK TO TO FIND OUT WHAT WE WANT TO HOW FAR WE WANT TO GO. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND WHAT'S FURTHER ON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL OUTSTANDING MINUTE ORDERS. THERE ARE MINUTE MOTION REQUESTS. THERE ARE SIX CURRENTLY THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. SO THIS WOULD BECOME THE SEVENTH THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING. I'M GOING TO BE BLUNT THEN. IF TONIGHT'S MOTION PASSES. IS IT WITHIN STAFF'S ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO STAY ON TRACK OR DO ONE OF THOSE HAVE TO COME OFF JUST TO BRING IT BACK AS AN AGENDIZED ITEM TO BE DISCUSSED? SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO BE POSTPONED IN ORDER TO BRING THIS FORWARD. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS SO. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BUT WITHOUT PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA OF WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT'S ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER, WE REALLY WE CAN'T HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. AND I WAS HOPING TO TRY AND FAST TRACK IT BY SAYING, WITHIN A MONTH WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING. AND SO WE COULD DIVE DEEPER INTO THE CONVERSATION. SO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I.. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND HOW TO GET YOU WHAT YOU WANT. SO IF YOU WOULD PREFER IF YOU'D PREFER AN INTERIM STEP TO DISCUSS IT AT GOAL SETTING, WHETHER OR NOT YOU SO WE CAN MAYBE DO SOME ESTIMATES ABOUT RESOURCES AT THAT TIME, WE CAN BRING IT BACK THERE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHERE SOME OF YOU ARE LEANING, AS OPPOSED TO BRINGING BACK THE SUBSTANTIVE ITEM WITHOUT DISCUSSING THE RESOURCES THAT IT WILL REQUIRE. YOU COULD DO THAT. WELL, THAT AND THE OTHER OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SET ASIDE, I THINK THAT'S TRANSPARENCY. AND PART OF THIS IS SO WE HAVE A BROAD DISCUSSION, NOT A SINGLE DISCUSSION. SO, MR. NORBY, YOU WANT TO RESPOND? YEAH, I DO. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS SELECTED BY YOU TO SIT ON THE DAIS WITH YOU, I WAS MADE AWARE THAT THERE WAS SOME NUMBER OF MINUTE MOTIONS, AND IT WAS A VERY, VERY LARGE NUMBER. GOSH, I WANT TO SAY 80 OR 100 OR SOMETHING. AM I WRONG? OR WAS THAT THE I MEAN, IT WAS A BIG NUMBER. IT IT WAS A BIG NUMBER, WE HEARD. AND IT WAS SURPRISED BY THAT. AND SO I AM ON THIS BOARD FOR A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS ON THIS COUNCIL. I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL NOW FOR SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS. THIS IS MY FIRST MINUTE MOTION THAT I'M BRINGING. I DO NOT ANTICIPATE BRINGING EIGHT OR NINE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE MORE SO TWO IN THE COURSE OF A YEAR FOR COUNCIL MEMBER. AND I'M I'M AWARE THAT OUR DISTRICT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SITS UP HERE WITH MY PRIOR COLLEAGUES IN DISTRICT ONE BEING ELECTED BY 30,000 RESIDENTS. THAT THERE IS I BELIEVE I SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD REPRESENTING THOSE RESIDENTS. AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S AN ABUSE OR SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE WEIGHED AGAINST OTHER MINUTE MOTIONS. IF I IF ANY OF US DO THIS, YOU KNOW, ONCE OR TWICE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, IF IT'S 40 OR 50 OR 60 TIMES, THAT GETS TO BE UNWIELDY. BUT I THINK IN REPRESENTATION OF DISTRICT ONE AND THEIR ISSUES AND THEIR CONCERNS, I SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. CALLED FOR QUESTION. PLEASE VOTE. OKAY PASSES FOUR-ONE, NOTING MR. BLACKBURN'S THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS. FINAL COMMENTS, MR. NORBY. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I TOO AM HAVING OFFICE HOURS. I'M VERY EXCITED. I'VE ACTUALLY MOVED SOME THINGS BACK INTO THE OFFICE NOW THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE ON PAST ZOOM. SO TUESDAYS, 10:00 TO 12:00 WILL BE OFFICE HOURS AND YOU CAN GET ME THROUGH THROUGH OUR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANCE THERE, EITHER VIA ZOOM OR IN PERSON MEETING. AND THEN ALSO THURSDAY BETWEEN 10:00 AND 1:00. SO TUESDAY BETWEEN TEN AND 12 AND THURSDAY BETWEEN TEN AND ONE. [03:20:01] AND THEN I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF BECAUSE IT'S LATE. BUT OBVIOUSLY AUDITS WERE ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. ALSO AUDITS WERE ON THE SANDAG BOARD AGENDA THIS PAST FRIDAY. AND I'M SURE MORE THAN ONE OF YOU HAVE SEEN SOME OF MY COMMENTS THAT WERE BROADCAST AFTER THAT. AND I DID SEND A LETTER OUT YESTERDAY STATING THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION. AND REALLY THAT'S I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY AND AFTER GIVING THIS GREATER THOUGHT. WHEN WE USE A CREDIT CARD, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE PROPERLY. AND JUST SAYING THERE WASN'T FULL OF COMPLETE POLICIES. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU CAN'T USE A CREDIT CARD FOR PERSONAL USE. SO I'VE ASKED FOR A DEEPER DISCUSSION ON THIS, AND I'M SURE AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE, WHETHER IT BE THIS BOARD OR ANY OTHER BOARD. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS RAISED AND AND COMPLETE ANSWERS WEREN'T GIVEN TO ALL THOSE QUESTIONS. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE NO ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR WHERE WE'LL BE MORE THAN TWO OF US AT ANY MEETING. AND MR. CHADWICK. NOTHING TO REPORT. COUNCIL MEMBER OR I MEAN CITY ATTORNEY. YEAH. AND CITY CLERK? NOTHING. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE STAND ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.