Apr 06, 2022 Planning Commission Meeting

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ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

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I ACTUALLY, I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE IT'S A PANDEMIC REACTION, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF A PLANNED SUCCESSION OF PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.

AND I THINK THE POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE VERY MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I CAN MAKE IT.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT LESS PRESSURE IF ALL OF US ON THE COMMISSION KIND OF KNOW WHO'S COMING UP NEXT JUST BECAUSE OF THE WHEN WE WERE APPOINTED, YOU KNOW, AND AND WE CAN I THINK WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE AS COMFORTABLE AS WE'RE EVER GOING TO BE TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, CAN'T SAY THAT THIS IS MY I'M NOT TRAINED IN AS ATTORNEY.

I DON'T HAVE THIS IN THE BAG LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION, BUT I DO

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AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY IF IF THEY CAN.

SO THE IDEA OF A PLANNED SECESSION, I THINK, IS PRACTICAL, BUT ALSO I THINK IT SORT OF PUTS THE PRESSURE OFF.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH PRESSURE FOR ME, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE NEXT YEAR BRINGS.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE I WILL HAVE TO THINK DIFFERENTLY NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT WILL BE THE DECISION. AND IT'S NOT, IT COULD BE A BODY DECISION, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE AN OUTSIDE DECISION THAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO I THINK A PLANNED SECESSION IS REALLY IMPORTANT DECISION.

AND I THINK IT DOES REMOVE THE PRESSURE AND IT DOES GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO. SO I THINK IT'S HELPFUL.

ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH IN? OH, MR. KAMENJARIN? I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION.

IS THIS BEING RECORDED? YES. THEN I WON'T SAY ANYTHING FURTHER OTHER THAN I CAN SEE EITHER WAY GOING.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF A PLANNED SUCCESSION, BUT THERE ARE PROBLEMS THAT MAY OUTWEIGH THAT.

LET ME WEIGH IN AND I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE.

LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, USUALLY THE CHAIR OR IN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TALKS LAST.

AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP THAT UP BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

I WON'T BE THE LAST VOICE.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF A PLAN OF SUCCESSION WHEN IT CAME TO VOTE THIS TIME.

I DID NOT FEEL THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO CAMPAIGN OR TAKE PEOPLE OUT TO LUNCH OR THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

YET I MADE NO SECRET OF ANYBODY THAT I TALKED TO.

I WAS ASKED, SO YOU WANT TO BE CHAIR? AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY, I WOULD ENJOY BEING CHAIR.

I WOULD BE HONORED BY BEING CHAIR, BUT I DID NOT WANT TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT.

THIS IS NOT A CAMPAIGN.

SO I FELT UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THAT.

SO WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING FOR SELECTION, I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS GOING TO BE SELECTED OR NOT. I SAID I'D BEEN THE VP.

ROY HAD DONE A, COMMISSIONER MEENES, YOU'VE DONE A STELLAR JOB.

THEY NEVER NEEDED ME TO STEP IN AS CHAIR BECAUSE HE WAS THERE EVERY TIME.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW, BUT I FELT AWKWARD CAMPAIGNING.

AND SO WHEN IT CAME TIME TO VOTE, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTE BUTTONS OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.

SO I KIND OF LIKE, AS A GENERAL RULE, THE IDEA OF GIVING EVERYBODY A CHANCE IF THEY WANT TO DO IT AND HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT.

VICE PRESIDENT, VICE CHAIR, EXCUSE ME, VICE CHAIR SUCCEED TO BE IN THE CHAIR.

I THINK THAT WORKS IN MOST INSTANCES.

COMMISSIONER MEENES, I REMEMBER FOR YOU ONE TIME THERE WAS YOU SERVED AS VICE CHAIR AT TWO TERMS AS I RECALL, AND I RECALL WHEN IT CAME UP TIME FOR A VOTE, WHICH IS WHEN WE WERE IN PERSON BEFORE PRE-COVID.

MY THOUGHT WAS YOU WERE VICE CHAIR FOR A YEAR.

YOU'RE A CAPABLE PERSON.

WHY NOT? YOU SHOULD BE CHAIR.

AND THAT TIME THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE THERE AT THE TIME MAY REMEMBER THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE WAS A COMMISSIONER WHO VERY CAPABLE PERSON TO WHO HAPPENED TO BE IN THE LAST YEAR OF HER SECOND TERM AND SHE VERY MUCH WANTED TO GO OUT AS THE CHAIR.

SO I WAS PREPARED TO VOTE FOR COMMISSIONER MEENES AND IN FACT, I THINK I DID, BEING THAT

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THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL SITUATIONS THAT THAT SHE WANTED DEFINITELY TO GO OUT AS CHAIR BECAUSE IT WAS HER EIGHTH YEAR AND THE TWO YEAR TERM.

SO WE WENT THAT WAY. SO I GUESS WE NEED TO MAINTAIN SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE VICE CHAIR MATRICULATING TO THE CHAIR.

IT WORKS THAT WAY IN MANY ORGANIZATIONS, NOT JUST PLANNING COMMISSIONS.

I'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

YOU'RE BEING YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THE CHAIR IN ACTION, WHAT YOU LIKE, WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, I REALLY WANT TO DO THIS, OR THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, SO LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT.

SO I THINK AS A GENERAL RULE, THE HAVING THE MATRICULATION MAKES SENSE.

DO I WANT TO PUT IN A RULE THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY THE WAY IT GOES? NOT REALLY. I KIND OF I THINK WE USE OUR DISCRETION, BUT NORMALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE VICE CHAIR MATRICULATE TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR NOT HAVE TO GO AROUND AND CAMPAIGN OR TAKE PEOPLE TO LUNCH OR ANY DOING ANYTHING UNLESS HE OR SHE WANTS TO.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME BROWN ACT ISSUES THERE, TOO.

I KNOW. SO IN TERMS OF RULE CHANGES, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT.

IN TERMS OF A WORKSHOP.

COMMISSIONER LUNA, YOU MENTIONED THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO DO WORKSHOPS BECAUSE OF COVID FOR TWO YEARS AND IF WE WANTED AS PART OF A WORKSHOP, GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CHAIR AND PERHAPS THE VICE CHAIR.

I'M FINE WITH THAT, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN VICE CHAIR OR CHAIR AND ARE THINKING, YOU KNOW, AND A COUPLE OF YEARS I'D LIKE TO SIT IN THE CHAIR SEAT.

SO THE WORKSHOP IDEA I THINK IS, IS WOULD BE A GOOD ONE IF WE WANT TO GO THAT FAR.

FURTHER THOUGHTS. COMMISSIONER LUNA? WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK ALL I WANTED WAS FOR ALL OF YOU TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

I LIKE TO EDUCATE AS MUCH AS I CAN AND YOUR RESUMES IN WHY YOU WANTED TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION.

I ALWAYS FEEL WE NEED TO GIVE BACK TO YOU ALSO AS A CITY.

IT HAS TO BE A TWO WAY STREET.

YOU HAVE TO FEEL ENERGIZED IN THIS POSITION AS ALL OTHER COMMISSIONS.

AND SO, ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER STINE, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT MARRIED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE CANNOT HAVE IT SEPARATELY TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT IT'S AWKWARD. AND I GUESS I'M SPEAKING FOR THOSE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE MAYBE MORE QUIET AND WHO AREN'T SAYING, I'D LIKE TO BE CHAIR.

AND I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS TO CONSIDER THEM ALSO JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE VOCALIZES AND SAYS, I WANT TO BE CHAIR, I REALLY WANT IT BAD.

SOMETIMES I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU.

IT'S VERY AWKWARD FOR ALL OF US UP HERE BECAUSE THEN, I MEAN, I SEE NODDING HEADS.

IT'S IT'S INCREDIBLY AWKWARD AND IT JUST IS.

AND SO I THINK HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IS IS GREAT.

SO LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT MARRIED TO ANYTHING.

I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

IT'S BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION AND A KIND OF TOUCHY, DELICATE ISSUES.

AND I THINK WE'VE DEALT WITH IT VERY RESPONSIBLY.

ANY OTHER FURTHER THOUGHTS? I MEAN, DO WE WANT TO GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION FOR ANY PROCEDURAL TWEAKING OR VARIATION? I'M NOT HEARING A DESIRE TO DO THAT.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? NO, I THINK WE HAD A THOROUGH DISCUSSION, AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AT LEAST EVERYONE THAT HAS SPOKE PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE.

I THINK WE'RE FINE. AT LEAST I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

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I THINK WE HAD A VERY HEARTFELT AND THOROUGH DISCUSSION, AND I THINK WE ALL PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHERE EACH ONE OF US STAND.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD, AT LEAST WHERE I'M AT.

I THINK WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL, PARTICULARLY COMMISSIONER LUNA, VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS.

THERE'S NOTHING MORE. LET'S GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

AND CITY PLANNER NEU, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THAT ITEM, PLEASE? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

IT WOULD HELP IF I PUSH THE RIGHT BUTTON.

OKAY. SO ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKPLAN FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL

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ONE OF THOSE PRACTICES WAS THE REQUIREMENT FOR NOT ONLY A WORK PLAN, BUT AN ANNUAL REPORT ON THE PRIOR YEAR'S WORK PLAN BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND THE REAL PURPOSE FOR ALL OF THIS WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WERE WORKING ON ITEMS THAT WERE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOALS.

SO FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOUR YOUR ROLE IS PRETTY WELL DEFINED EITHER IN VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

YOU SEE HERE THREE OF THE TITLES OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MENTIONED IN OR HAS LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO PERFORM.

AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO REQUIREMENTS IN STATE LAW THAT SPECIFY DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THE ANNUAL REPORT, AS I MENTIONED, WHAT IT DOES IS TAKE THE ITEMS ON THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S WORK PLAN AND INDICATE THE STATUS OF THOSE ITEMS. IT IS DONE BY CATEGORIES.

AND THERE'S ALSO A COMMENT THAT, A COMMENT, OR A COLUMN THAT INCLUDES COMMENTS THAT PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS TO WHY A PROJECT MAY STILL BE PENDING OR WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY COMPLETED.

JUST ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND FOR YOU ON THOSE.

FOR THE WORK PLAN ITSELF, IT'S DIVIDED INTO A NUMBER OF HEADINGS OR CATEGORIES.

THERE'S A SECTION, AND I SHOULD SAY BEFORE GOING THROUGH THESE, THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ESTIMATE THE ITEMS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON AN AGENDA DURING THAT FISCAL YEAR.

SO OUR FISCAL YEAR RUNS FROM JULY 1ST TO JUNE 30TH.

SO DURING THAT TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT ITEMS MIGHT BE READY FOR YOU TO TAKE AN ACTION OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON.

SO WE HAVE A SECTION OF ITEMS IN THE WORK PLAN THAT ARE RELATED TO CODE AND PLAN AMENDMENTS. THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE HOUSING ELEMENT IMPLEMENTATION.

AS IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

WE HAVE A SECTION ABOUT TRAINING OR UPDATES FOR YOU RELATED TO CHANGES IN THE LAW.

AND THEN WE DID NOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE BECAUSE THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF COMMITTEES THAT VARIOUS COMMISSIONERS ARE SERVING ON.

WE WANTED TO NOTE ALL THE COMMITTEES THAT YOU ARE ALL PARTICIPATING IN VARIOUS WORK ITEMS FROM THE COUNCIL THAT OVERLAP TO THE COMMISSION.

AND THEN WE WERE ESTIMATING WHAT PROJECTS MIGHT BE READY FROM BOTH THE PRIVATE SIDE AS WELL AS CITY CAPITAL PROJECTS.

AND AS YOU'VE SEEN, MEETING TO MEETING, YOU GET PROJECTS FROM BOTH SIDES.

SO WITH THAT, THE WORK PLAN AND THE ANNUAL REPORT ARE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT PACKET.

WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU REVIEW THOSE AND RECOMMEND ANY SORT OF CHANGES.

WE'RE ASKING YOU TO RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE WORK PLAN AND APPROVAL OF THE I'M SORRY, ACCEPTANCE OF THE ANNUAL REPORT AND APPROVAL OF THE WORK PLAN.

OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND TAKE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. WE WOULD ALSO ASK TYPICALLY WOULD BE THE CHAIR WOULD ATTEND THAT MEETING AND PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

WE'D MAKE A STAFF PRESENTATION AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THE CHAIR.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER LUNA? SO WHO WHO SERVES ON WHAT COMMITTEES? GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE IS COMMISSIONER STINE? DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.

WHO'S ON THAT ONE? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.

CDBG? COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? YOUR BLOCK GRANT ACT CONVERSION.

MR. MERZ? HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY? YES. OKAY.

I THINK WE'RE ALL BUSY PEOPLE, NOT JUST PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE YOU HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AS WELL.

SO I THINK THAT'S A CREDIT TO ALL OF US THAT ARE TAKING AN ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY ON.

ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS? MR. KAMENJARIN? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. NEU.

DOES THIS DATE BACK TO DOES THIS IDEA DATE BACK TO 2018? IT DOES. THE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS CAME ABOUT IN 2018.

PRIOR TO THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE A FORMAL WORK PLAN.

I THINK THE ISSUE THAT COUNCIL WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS WAS THERE WERE SOME BOARDS AND

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SO THEY WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS GETTING ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD.

AND AM I CORRECT THEN THAT SOME OF OUR MEMBERS ON THE COMMISSION THAT PREDATE MINE HAVE BEEN BOUND BY THESE WORK PLANS IN THE PAST? THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF A MEMBER WAS ON.

PRIOR TO 2018, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED WITH THE WORK PLAN FOR PLANNING COMMISSION, I GUESS IN MY OPINION, IS A LITTLE BIT OF A GUIDELINE, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU AS A MANDATE, EITHER BY OUR LOCAL CODES OR AS AN EXAMPLE IN THE STATE CHANGES IN THE LAW.

WE WOULD COME BEFORE YOU WITH AMENDMENTS TO ANY OF OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES TO GET INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE STATE LAW CHANGE.

SO WE TYPICALLY FIND OURSELVES NOT WITH A WHOLE LOT OF DISCRETION.

I THINK THE EXCEPTION TO THAT IS IF THE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL PROVIDES SOME DIRECTION OR IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT ONE OF THE ITEMS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO PROVIDE SOME PROACTIVE IDENTIFICATION OF ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES.

AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THAT CASE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NECESSARILY HAS TO BE IN THE WORK PLAN AT THIS TIME.

BUT LET'S SAY SOMETHING CAME UP DURING THE YEAR AND YOU HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND YOU WANTED TO HAVE THE CITY DO WORK ON A PARTICULAR ITEM.

WE WOULD TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SEE IF THEY CONCURRED WITH THAT. AND IF THEY DID, THEN THEY WOULD GIVE US THE GO AHEAD TO DEVOTE RESOURCING AND STAFFING TO THAT WORK EFFORT.

IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD JUST GO OFF ON ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION ALONE.

IT WOULD BE, IN ESSENCE, KIND OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE WORK PLAN, IF YOU WILL.

WELL, LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S VERY SOBERING.

IT SERIOUSLY AND.

I'D BE RELUCTANT TO SIGN ON TO THIS SIZE OF A PLANNED TASK FOR FEAR THAT EACH OF US, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY, WOULD BE DISPARAGED.

IF THEY AREN'T COMPLETED.

CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? WHICH PARTS OF THE PROPOSED WORK PLAN DO YOU THINK MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A OVERREACH OR A LITTLE BIT THAT WE MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY MEETING? WELL, IT'S LARGELY THE NATURE OF OUR WORK.

WE ARE LARGE.

WE ARE AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S REACTIVE TO THAT, WHICH IS DETERMINED BY MR. NEU, LARGELY AND HIS STAFF.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? MR. NEU, MAYBE, POSSIBLY YOU COULD ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS TO THE DOABILITY OF WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED AND WHAT YOU PROVIDED TO US.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD HAVE PROVIDED IT TO US IF IT WERE NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMEWHAT DOABLE.

YES. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MEENES. SO THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED, WE CURRENTLY HAVE STAFF WORKING ON EACH OF THOSE ITEMS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WE HAVEN'T DONE A WHOLE LOT ON THE WORKSHOP THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, BUT WE WILL TRY TO FIND A DATE HERE COMING UP.

BUT THEY ARE ITEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON.

AS YOU'VE SEEN, SOMETIMES BASED ON OTHER PRIORITIES, THE ITEM WOULD SLIP.

THERE'S REALLY NOT A HUGE PENALTY TO IT SLIPPING AND NOT OCCURRING IN THE PARTICULAR FISCAL YEAR IN MANY CASES.

AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS IN PAST PLANS, AN ITEM MIGHT GO PAST THE CURRENT YEAR AND WE WOULD CARRY IT INTO THE NEXT YEAR.

OFTENTIMES, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE LONGER TERM AND THEY ARE MULTIYEAR EFFORTS TO BEGIN WITH. BUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COMMITTEES THAT MANY OF YOU ARE SERVING ON, MANY OF THESE ITEMS, YOU WOULD SEE US PREPARE MATERIALS THAT WOULD COME TO YOU IN THE REGULAR MEETING FORMAT, AND THEN YOU'D BE ASKED TO PROVIDE INPUT RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO IF YOU WERE TO PICK AN ITEM OFF THE FRONT OF THE FRONT PAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE VILLAGE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, THAT DOES HAVE A SEPARATE COMMITTEE THAT COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY WILL BE SERVING ON WITH OTHER CITIZENS AND BUSINESS OWNERS.

THAT GROUP WILL HELP FORMULATE SOME STANDARDS AND COOPERATION WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM AND THE CITY STAFF.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY THOSE ITEMS WILL COME BEFORE THE FULL COMMISSION FOR YOUR REVIEW AND

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WE THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOU WOULD SEE THEM IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY'LL RUN INTO SOME SORT OF OBSTACLE AND NOT BE READY.

BUT THIS IS SORT OF OUR BEST ESTIMATE AT THIS TIME.

AND THE THING THAT ISN'T ON THERE, I MEAN, YOU COULD CONSIDER YOUR ENTIRE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, THE SCALE OF THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS.

THEY AREN'T SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

THEY THEY GET APPLIED FOR IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TO NOTE, LET'S SAY YOU REVIEWED A HALF A DOZEN TWO DOZEN COASTAL PERMITS FOR VARIOUS THINGS.

WE WON'T KNOW ALL THOSE AT THE CURRENT TIME.

SO THERE WILL BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION THAT AREN'T REFLECTED ON THE ON THE WORK PLAN.

COMMISSIONER SABELLICO? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL JUST SAY I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN THAT WE ARE A REACTIVE ORGANIZATION IN THE WAY THAT I THINK HE MEANT IT, WHICH MEANS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THINGS AS REQUIRED BY THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND THE STATE LAW, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE WILL BE UNTIL THEY HAPPEN.

BUT I THINK THIS DOCUMENT IS JUST JUST START TO DO LIST.

AND THEY'RE ALL THINGS THAT WE REALLY, THEY'RE ON THE LIST FOR A REASON AND WE DO REALLY NEED TO DO THEM.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS ISN'T ENOUGH TO ACCOMPLISH THIS TO DO LIST AND THE FISCAL YEAR, I THINK IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS, BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN OUR CHAIR SHOULD SCHEDULE MORE MEETINGS.

WE THIS IS THESE ARE OUR RESPONSIBILITIES.

WE ARE REACTIVE AND WE HAVE TO DO THIS LIST OF TASKS.

SO WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE.

AND I THINK COMMITTING OURSELVES TO DOING OUR JOB IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR JOB.

SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? THANK YOU. ON THE TRAINING ASPECT, YOU INDICATE HERE ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP. MR. NEU, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST AND OBVIOUSLY MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ONE SOMETIME IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

BUT HAS STAFF AND YOURSELF THOUGHT ABOUT THE CONTENT OF WHAT YOU THINK THAT OUR NEXT WORKSHOP WOULD ENTAIL? SUBJECT MATTER, HOW IT MIGHT BE STRUCTURED, FORMAL, INFORMAL, ET CETERA.

GIVE US A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

AND MAYBE THE COMMISSION MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT AS TO WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. EACH AND EVERY COMMISSIONER MIGHT HAVE SOME THOUGHTS IN THAT REGARD.

SURE. WELL, THANK YOU.

NO, I HAVE GIVEN SOME THOUGHT TO IT.

I THINK IN SOME PAST DISCUSSIONS THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN COVERING SOME OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE 2018 WORKSHOP AND LOOKING AT THAT MATERIAL.

SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS WERE PURPOSE, SCOPE AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION.

THERE WAS CLARIFICATION AND AGREEMENTS ON THE ROLES OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.

LET'S SEE. WE ALSO WENT THROUGH SORT OF THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING STAFF, THE ATTORNEYS, OFFICE APPLICANTS AND THE PUBLIC, AND HOW THAT ALL WORKS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AND THEN I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD LOOK TO DO IT FOR THE UPCOMING WORKSHOP, BUT WE ALSO IN THE PAST HAD COVERED ETHICAL ISSUES BROWN ACT IN SOME OF THESE MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT HOW THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OPERATE.

AND, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WERE ALSO JUST TIPS FOR DEALING WITH DISAGREEMENT, HOW TO MOVE AN ITEM ALONG THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO WHAT OUR INTENTION WAS, I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WANTING TO DO THIS IN PERSON. SO WE WOULD PICK A CITY FACILITY, SCHEDULE IT IN A, YOU KNOW, A GOOD SIZED CONFERENCE ROOM. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE WORKSHOP PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, BUT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO IT NOT IN THIS FACILITY.

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NOW YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT IS LISTED ON THE CURRENT YEAR'S ANNUAL REPORT AND THEN ON THE UPCOMING. AND THAT'S JUST IN CASE WE AREN'T ABLE TO GET THE SCHEDULES TO WORK BEFORE THE JUNE 30TH.

THE CONCERN THERE WAS THAT TRYING TO FIND A DATE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING OR THAT YOU'RE ALL AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE WORKSHOP UNLESS WE HAVE A FULL

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SO WHAT I HOPE TO DO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS IS TO SEND YOU SOME POSSIBLE TIMES AND THEN SEE WHAT EVERYONE'S AVAILABILITY IS AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN LOCK IN ONE AND HAVE YOU RESERVED THAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN, TWO YEARS.

AND SO COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, I'M GOING TO USE A CART AND A HORSE ANALOGIES, YOU CAN TELL. I LIKE TO DO THAT IN METAPHOR.

SO WE'RE THE CART, WE'RE BIG, WE CAN HAVE 8000 MORE MEETINGS.

HOWEVER, THE HORSE, WHICH IS THE STAFF THAT MR. NEU HAS, I THINK YOU CAN ONLY PULL THE CART IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH STAFF.

STAFFING RIGHT NOW I THINK IS A CHALLENGE, MR. NEU. AND SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO HAVE A HORSE PULLING THE CART.

YOU CAN GIVE THEM SO MUCH, BUT IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STAFF TO PROCESS IT, WE CAN'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF.

WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES RIGHT NOW.

ADDITIONALLY, WITH COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN'S COMMENT, IT'S SORT OF I FEEL STRONGLY BOTH WAYS IN THAT.

YES. THIS IS SORT OF A REPORT CARD, WHICH IS HOW I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

HOWEVER, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY PENALTIES.

HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE YOU'D ENTERTAIN CHAIR STINE AND SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY IN THE EVENT OR I'M LEAVING THIS TO THE LAWYERS.

YOU GUYS ARE EXCELLENT AT THIS.

OR MR. KEMP MAYBE SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT CAN MAYBE A LITTLE QUALIFIER THAT IT COULD MOVE INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, DEPENDING ON A VARIETY OF FACTORS OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SOME COMFORT.

COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? YES. GETTING BACK ON THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE CONTENT OF THE WORKSHOP.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A SMALLER PORTION, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. I'M LOOKING BACK AT THE 2018 WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD AND IT WAS VERY INSTRUCTIONAL, NOT THAT IT WASN'T IMPORTANT, BUT THE ENTIRE WORKSHOP WAS LIKE SITTING IN ONE OF MY COLLEGE CLASSES AT THE UNIVERSITY, AND RATHER THAN IT BEING A WORKSHOP WHERE IT IS A BENEFIT TO ALL OF US AS COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE A VERY THOROUGH.

ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT, BOTH ON PROCEDURES, MAYBE SUBJECT MATTER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, PROBABLY FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF STRUCTURE INITIALLY.

BUT YET I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THIS WORKSHOP BE MUCH MORE OF A REAL WORKSHOP WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION AMONG OUR COMMISSIONERS AND THEY CAN WE REALLY ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND BE ABLE TO VET A LOT AND DISCUSS A LOT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE REMAINING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.

ANYBODY ELSE? LET ME WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT.

ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES IN DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE FOR MYSELF IN TERMS OF THE WORKSHOP IS I WAS APPOINTED IN 2019 AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A WORKSHOP SINCE THEN.

SO THERE'S ONLY TWO OF OUR COMMISSION COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE WORKSHOP. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, COVID PUT EVERYTHING ON THE BACK BURNER IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. FORTUNATELY, THAT SEEMS TO BE IN OUR REARVIEW MIRROR, AND NOW LET'S HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY. I LIKE THE IDEA AND I LIKE COMMISSIONER MEENES' COMMENT AND WHAT I INTERPRET YOUR COMMENTS SAYING YOU WANT AN INTERACTIVE.

HE DIDN'T WANT LIKE JUST A LECTURE.

YES, IT'S LIKE A COLLEGE CLASS.

BUT MY, IF I CAN THINK BACK TO MY COLLEGE DAYS, THE BETTER COURSES I HAVE WHERE YES, WE HAD EXPERTS AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE STAFF EXPERTS IN THESE AREAS, BUT IT WAS ALSO INTERACTIVE. THERE WAS QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND ALSO DIALOG BETWEEN THE STUDENTS IN THIS CASE, BETWEEN COMMISSION MEMBERS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WORKSHOP.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE NOT JUST LECTURE LECTURES, BE PART OF IT, BUT THAT THERE WOULD BE A GIVE AND TAKE NOT ONLY BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF,

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I WOULD LIKE THAT BOTH ASPECTS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE FOR A MOST PRODUCTIVE WORKSHOP. IN TERMS OF TIMING, I NOTICED THAT WE RECEIVED A TENTATIVE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA FOR THE NEXT 60 DAYS OR SO.

THERE WERE A LOT OF COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST PERHAPS JUST A QUESTION OF THERE ARE NOT PROJECTS THAT ARE RIPE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND MY THOUGHT WAS, SINCE WE'VE ALL OF US HAVE PRETTY MUCH TRIED TO MARK OFF OUR CALENDAR FOR THE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAYS OF A MONTH THINKING THAT'S OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DUTIES, THAT PERHAPS ON ONE OF THOSE UPCOMING FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAYS WHERE THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME, PERHAPS AN IDEAL TIME FOR US TO HAVE A WORKSHOP THERE. I DON'T WANT TO, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE WE HAVE OTHER ITEMS AS WELL. I THINK A WORKSHOP SHOULD BE A WORKSHOP ONLY FOR THAT ITEM.

SO I'M WONDERING IF PERHAPS MR. NEU WOULD COMMENT, WOULD THERE BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES PERHAPS IN THE NEXT 60 TO 90 DAYS CONSIDERING STAFF, I KNOW ABOUT STAFF SHORTAGE, THAT WE COULD PERHAPS SCHEDULE SOMETHING AT A, WHEN FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY WHEN WE BASICALLY CALENDAR IT OFF THAT TIME ANYHOW.

MR. NEU? YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I THINK THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT AVAILABILITY FOR FOR ALL OF YOU IS THAT IN MANY CASES WHEN WE DID DO A WORKSHOP, WE DID IT DURING THE DAY.

SO WHETHER YOU WOULD PREFER THE DAY OR SINCE WE'RE MEETING AT FIVE, IF YOU FELT 5:00 WAS WAS APPROPRIATE AND THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME IF THE WORKSHOP TOOK A COUPLE OF HOURS, IF THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO IS LOOK AT AVAILABILITY OF THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES OR LOCATIONS. SEND THAT OUT TO YOU WITH SOME VARIOUS TIMES AND SEE KIND OF WHAT THE MAJORITY IS ABLE TO DO.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE WOULD WANT TO PICK ONE THAT ALL SEVEN OF YOU CAN CAN ATTEND.

IF WE CAN'T GET ALL SEVEN, WE'LL KEEP LOOKING FOR ANOTHER TIME.

YOU THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR THE NEXT, SAY, 90 DAYS OR NEXT THREE MONTHS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A DATE BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE A LOT OF CANCELATIONS COMING UP.

I THINK IT IS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE TWO CANCELATIONS WE HAVE COMING UP ARE APRIL 20TH AND MAY 4TH, AND THOSE ARE COMING UP FAIRLY QUICK.

BEYOND THAT, WE MAY HAVE OTHERS.

I KNOW WE HAVE A MAY 18TH MEETING, WHETHER WE HAVE A SECOND ONE AVAILABLE FOR JUNE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THEN I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE VACATION PLANS, SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH THAT AS WELL.

REALIZE IT'S A CHALLENGE TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULE.

BUT I THOUGHT THE EASIEST WAY WOULD BE TO SHOOT FOR FIRST OR THIRD WEDNESDAYS.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? YEAH. AND LOOKING AT OUR LAST WORKSHOP, I KNOW WE HAD IT.

I THINK IT STARTED LIKE 9:00 IN THE MORNING OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

SO EVERYONE WAS FRESH.

IT WAS A DAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK OFF FROM OUR CAREER OBLIGATIONS AND THAT WORKED OUT WELL. I THINK WE WENT PROBABLY AT FIVE OR SIX HOURS, IF I REMEMBER, AND WE OCCUPIED ALMOST EVERY MINUTE OF IT.

ANYWAY, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT IF WE DO IT, THAT IT BE SOMETHING LIKE A DAY LIKE THAT, MAYBE TEN IN THE MORNING, NINE IN THE MORNING, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

AND EACH HAVE IT FIT WITHIN OUR SCHEDULE.

EVERYONE'S FRESH AND THEY'RE READY TO REALLY GET INTO IT RATHER THAN AT THE END OF THE DAY. ANYONE ELSE.

COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY? MY BIGGEST CONCERN, WELL, I THINK MEETING DURING THE REGULAR MEETING TIME OR MEETING IN THE MORNING COULD WORK.

WELL, I PREFER WORKING IN THE MORNING AND MEETING DURING OUR SCHEDULED TIMES, BUT I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN EXTENSIVE WORKSHOP, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'D WANT TO DO IT AT A SPECIAL TIME. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THE THING THAT I'M MOSTLY BECAUSE I FEEL THE WORRY THAT MR. NEU HAS ABOUT THE STAFFING SHORTAGES AND I WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN ASSIST WITH THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE ENCOURAGING IN ONE WAY IF MR. NEU WAS ABLE TO KIND OF HELP US WITH UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF WHAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED.

AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT EACH ONE OF US AS A COMMISSIONER TAGGED ALONG WITH, MAYBE A PLANNER COULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT, MAYBE TOGETHER JUST IN A BRIEF FORMAT TO BE ABLE TO, NUMBER ONE, ENCOURAGE OUR OWN KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, HOPEFULLY HELP THE

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YOU HAD THAT NICE LIST, MR. NEU, THAT YOU HAD OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN.

SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF THOUGHT MAYBE WE COULD BREAK IT DOWN INTO SEVEN OR A COUPLE OF PEOPLE OR WHOEVER'S INTERESTED IN DOING THAT, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP THE PLANNERS, AND MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE A FULL DAY FOR THEM, BUT IT WOULD BE A FULL DAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF TAG ON TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE KIND OF THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES TO THIS COMPONENT.

SO I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP.

I DON'T KNOW. MR. NEU? ANY COMMENTS ON COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY THOUGHTS? YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO.

SO ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE FROM SOME OF THE CATEGORIES IN THE WORK PLAN, THESE WEREN'T NECESSARILY ITEMS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO COVER IN YOUR WORKSHOP.

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AND THEN IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE FOR FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND, BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER MEENES POINTED OUT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A WHOLE LECTURE.

WE WANTED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, TO HELP ASK QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONVERSE AMONG YOURSELF ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IS AND ISN'T WORKING WELL IN MEETINGS, MAYBE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THINGS, HOW YOU MIGHT HANDLE DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONING OF APPLICANT AND STAFF, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE KIND OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN BASED ON SOME OF THE PAST TOPICS AND THE TURNOVER IN COMMISSION MEMBERS.

BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY LOOKING ON THIS ONE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN APRIL, YOU ARE GOING TO GET AN OVERVIEW FROM ONE OF THE CITY'S OUTSIDE LAW FIRMS ABOUT HOUSING LAW CHANGES.

SO PARTICULAR TRAINING TOPICS, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT AS A GROUP YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, WE COULD EITHER DO THAT AS PART OF THE WORKSHOP OR AS SEPARATE THINGS LATER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO LIKE I SAID, MY, MY INTENTION WAS TO TRY TO GET A DATE FOR ALL SEVEN OF YOU AND THEN PROVIDE YOU WITH HERE'S OUR IDEA OF WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE AGENDA AND CERTAINLY SOLICIT YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE'LL CHANGE IT ACCORDINGLY.

COMMISSIONER MEENES? YEAH, AS ALL OF US KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BECAME COMMISSIONERS, WE ENDED UP GETTING A BOOKLET FROM LEADING CALIFORNIA CITIES, YOU KNOW, AND HOW RESPONSIBILITIES OF A PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, HOW TO CONDUCT YOURSELF AT A PUBLIC MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT BUT YET YOU KNOW, HAVING.

US UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR BOUNDARIES ARE.

HOW WE DEAL WITH MAKING EFFECTIVE DECISIONS, ETC..

ALL THAT'S WITHIN THAT BOOK.

AND NOTHING, SAYS MR. NEU, THAT YOU REALLY CANNOT MAYBE INCORPORATE A LITTLE SECTION, MAYBE OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR INSTRUCTIVE MANUAL TO WHERE WE CAN MAYBE HAVE THAT BE A PART OF OUR DISCUSSION. MR. NEU? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YEAH.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I MEAN, IT'S COME UP AND I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED IT PREVIOUSLY, BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOUR YOUR ACTIONS.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER STEPS? AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT TIMES, BUT I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DID COVER IN THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP THAT ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, THERE ARE OTHER PLANNED CHECK PROCESSES THAT HAPPEN WITH STAFF ENSURING CONDITION, COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL EXHIBITS AS WELL AS THE VARIOUS OTHER CODES THAT APPLY, WHETHER THERE'S SOME OF THE ENGINEERING CODES, BUILDING CODES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD HIT AT SOME LEVEL IF THAT'S OF INTEREST JUST TO HAVE HAVE

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BECAUSE THE PLANS THAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY, THEY'RE FAIRLY DETAILED, BUT THEY ARE STILL CONSIDERED SOMEWHAT CONCEPTUAL.

AND THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS WE COULD SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THOSE SETS, BUT THE SETS GET MUCH LARGER, MUCH MORE DETAILS ON ALL KINDS OF THINGS, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, GRADING STRUCTURAL THINGS, OTHER ELEMENTS OF A PROJECT.

SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR YOUR INTEREST IS AND WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A LIST KIND OF LIST, THESE TYPES OF ITEMS, AND THEN YOU COULD ALL WEIGH IN ON WHAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? THANK YOU. FOLKS, I THINK WE'RE MAKING THIS A LOT HARDER THAN IT HAS TO BE.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT THIS WORKSHOP FROM 2018, ASSUMING THERE'S STILL A COPY.

MR. NEU, WHY DON'T YOU SEND IT TO US AGAIN WITH A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS? I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED, AND I'M SURE EACH OF US HAVE A WISH LIST OR A WANT LIST.

COMMISSIONER STINE AND I HAVE BEEN PUTTING ON TOGETHER LEGAL PROGRAMS FOR DECADES, AND I DON'T THINK I'M TELLING TALES OUT OF SCHOOL, COMMISSIONER STINE, BUT WE DON'T INVENT THE WHEEL EVERY TIME.

YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH WHAT HAS WORKED IN THE PAST.

WE CAN DO THAT.

AND I THINK IF YOU SENT OUT THE 2018 SEMINAR WORKSHOP, WHATEVER, GIVE US A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR A MONTH TO GET BACK TO YOU.

AND YOU CAN ADD TO THAT, IF I MAY SUGGEST TOPICS THAT YOU THINK ARE NOW TIMELY OR HAVE COME UPON THE SCENE THAT ARE RELEVANT, AND LET'S DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, I LOOK AT YOU, MR. NEU, AND YOU, MR. KEMP, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GRAYBEARDS LIKE ME, BUT YOU'VE GOT 30 YEARS BETWEEN YOU.

I THINK ON THIS WE'VE GOT EXPERIENCED MEMBERS ON AS THE COMMISSION.

BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT SERIOUSLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO PUT IT TOGETHER.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE ALL HAVE IDEAS AND DESIRES FOR THINGS WE WANT TO LEARN OR KNOW MORE ABOUT. AND I THINK IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO PUT IT TOGETHER.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN SHARPEN.

WE NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO TALK ABOUT SOME TOPICS.

ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE COULD EXPEDITE THIS.

WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LUNA? I AGREE WITH MR. GRAYBEARD. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ENOUGH EXPERIENCE UP HERE.

AND I THINK WHAT MR. MEENES CONCERN IS IN WHICH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION ISN'T AWARE OF IS I THINK WE HAD A PLETHORA OF SPEAKERS LECTURES, LECTURES, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT.

AND I THINK THAT WILL DEEPLY CUT TO THE CHASE.

MR. KEMP AND MR. NEU, I, IF IT COULD JUST BE YOU TWO, THAT'D BE GREAT.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

SO WE DON'T NEED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT COMING IN.

JUST SIMPLE TO THE POINT.

AND THEN I THINK, MR. MEENES, YOU'LL GET YOUR LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU'RE DESIRED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MERZ? YEAH, JUST I THINK I WAS AT THAT I WAS BRAND NEW TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION 2018 WHEN WE HAD THAT WORKSHOP.

AND I THINK COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN IDEA WAS EXCELLENT.

I MEAN, THEY HAD GOOD SLIDES AND JUST GOOD BASIC THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO SEND THAT OUT AND DO THAT USE AS A BASE TEMPLATE AND THEN ADD ON TO IT. THAT'D BE A GOOD WAY TO GET IT DONE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

LET ME WEIGH IN, I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM EVERYONE.

I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN AND COMMISSIONER MERZ.

WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.

WE HAVE A WORKSHOP PROGRAM.

IT'S VERY SEEMS TO BE, FROM WHAT I HEAR, VERY NUTS AND BOLTS.

IT'S BASICALLY HELPING US TO DO OUR JOB BETTER THAN WE'RE DOING IT NOW.

NOT THAT WE'RE DOING A BAD JOB NOW WE'RE NOT, BUT IMPROVING OUR SKILLS, IMPROVING OUR INSIGHT, UNDERSTANDING OUR ROLE BETTER.

SOME NUANCES ABOUT MY ROLE AS THE CHAIR OR THE FUTURE CHAIRS.

I THINK THAT'S ALL HELPFUL AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT AND ALSO THAT HAS THE ADVANTAGE OF NOT HAVING TO START FROM SQUARE ONE WITH A COMPLETELY NEW PROGRAM.

CONSIDERING THE STAFF LIMITATIONS, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME VACANCIES ON THE STAFF THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO STRETCH STAFF TOO THIN ON THAT.

SO I WOULD LIKE CITY PLANNER NEU, PERHAPS COULD YOU PUT THIS MATTER ON OUR A FUTURE AGENDA FOR AFTER YOU'VE SENT IT OUT? MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW.

COULD YOU SEND OUT SOMETHING IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS AND PERHAPS IN THE FOLLOWING 30 DAYS WE

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AND THEN I'M THINKING AHEAD, MAYBE IN 90 DAYS OR SO BEFORE PEOPLE GET TOO BUSY IN THE SUMMER, WE SCHEDULE A TIME THAT HOPEFULLY WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

I DO ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING IT IN THE DAY.

I THINK IF WE CAN, I KNOW I CAN BY HAVING ENOUGH LEAD TIME, REARRANGE MY SCHEDULE.

I THINK HAVING A FULL DAY IN AN INFORMAL SETTING, PERHAPS OVER AT THE FARADAY BUILDING WHERE WE HAVE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN COMMITTEE MEETINGS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE CAN BE INFORMAL AND DON'T NEED TO WEAR A SUIT AND TIE THAT DAY.

IT'S JUST INFORMAL PRESENTATIONS, HAVE DIALOG WITH STAFF AND WITH EACH OTHER I THINK WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR US AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN GO FORWARD AND AND GIVE US SOME IDEAS AND THEN WE WILL FIND SOMETHING UP.

MR. NEU? YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, BECAUSE THAT WAY I CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION, AND THEN WE CAN, IN A PUBLIC FORUM, DISCUSS WHAT YOU WANT, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE, AND THEN WE CAN KNOW FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE AS A GROUP ON THAT AGENDA. SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THAT WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, SEND OUT SOMETHING TO EACH OF US. IS THAT DOABLE? YES. OKAY, FINE.

COMMISSIONER LUNA? I JUST WANT TO CUT TO THE CHASE HERE.

CAN IT BE A MORNING? CAN WE DO IT? CAN WE AGREE HERE? CAN I JUST HAVE PEOPLE MOVE THEIR HEADS MORNING LIKE WE DID THE LAST ONE? WE DON'T NEED TO DO A PC VACANT DATE.

THANK YOU. I THINK, MR. CHAIR, COULD YOU LOOK AT FOLKS THERE? I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOING LIKE THIS.

I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT MR. NEU WILL THAT ASSIST YOU GREATLY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANYTHING MORE? WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT ONE.

ANYTHING MORE? BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE LAST TWO.

COMMISSIONER LUNA? THAT'S DISCLAIMER LANGUAGE.

WELL? ON THE WORK PLAN.

I'M SORRY. DISCLAIMER LANGUAGE? OH, COMMISSIONER MEENES, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OKAY, YOU'RE TRYING TO. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME, PROBABLY BECAUSE OF MYSELF.

BUT IN REGARDS TO THE WORK IN REGARD TO THE WORKSHOP.

BUT WE HAVE THE STAFF ITEM, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE WORK PLAN.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD FINALIZE.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE NEED, LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THAT.

YES, I DO. OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE. WE APPROVE.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT.

OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE A.

WOULD WE HAVE TO TAKE THE SECOND FIRST HEARD WE HAD AN AMENDMENT NOW? NO. YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT NEEDS TO EITHER FAIL FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

CORRECT. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? NOW IT'S APPROPRIATE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT.

NOW IT'S APPROPRIATE. COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, DO YOU HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION? YES. MR. KEMP, I'D LIKE YOU TO HELP ME OUT ON THAT.

WHATEVER, WILL PASS MUSTER.

BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT.

WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT, SUBJECT TO OUR BEST EFFORTS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH MAY IMPEDE OR DELAY THE ADOPTION OF THESE ITEMS. I THINK THAT'S FINE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY IN THE SENSE THAT THIS WORK PLAN IS SOMEWHAT OUT OF STAFF'S CONTROL, YOUR CONTROL AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU RESPOND TO DEVELOPER APPLICATIONS IN THESE THINGS.

SO YOU MAY WE MAY HAVE ACTIVE APPLICATIONS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT GET DELAYED FOR CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE STAFF OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO I THINK THAT'S, IN MY OPINION, UNDERSTOOD.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO LOOK AT YOU AND SAY, WHY DIDN'T YOU APPROVE VETERANS PARK IF IT NEVER GOT TO YOU? BECAUSE YOU DON'T CONTROL THE FLOW OF THE INFORMATION OR THE APPLICATIONS COMING TO YOU.

SO I WOULDN'T BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IF YOU WERE ON, SAY, A GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND YOU HAD A CERTAIN DEADLINE IN WHICH TO COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN.

I WOULD THINK THAT LANGUAGE MIGHT BE MORE NECESSARY, BUT MOST OF THE THINGS ON THIS LIST, I THINK YOU'RE REACTIVE TO, WHICH IS THE WORD THAT WAS BEEN USED EARLIER IN THE EVENING.

AND I THINK IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU DON'T CONTROL THE PACE OF HOW THINGS COME TO YOU.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD LOOK AT YOU AND SAY YOU FAILED BECAUSE THAT PLAN THAT WAS

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A PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN THAT WAS TO BE PREPARED BY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NEVER GOT TO YOU. SO IF IT WAS ON YOUR SCHEDULE TO APPROVE IT, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT IF IT WAS NEVER PRESENTED TO YOU. SO I DON'T THINK THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT YOU CONTROL THAT FLOW.

THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS.

COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT RESPONSE? I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT NOT WANTING OUR FEET TO THE FIRE ON ON MATTERS THAT ARE BEYOND OUR CONTROL. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU STILL WANT SOME LANGUAGE OR.

YES, YOU DO.

YES, DEFINITELY.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, ONE OF THE REASONS AND THIS PERHAPS IS ANECDOTALLY, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, I REMEMBER WE HAD A PROJECT THAT HAD THAT WE APPROVED THAT HAD BEEN TEN YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK, AGAIN, MR. KEMP, IF YOU THINK IT'S REALLY NOT IT'S NOT HARMFUL OR MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARY, THAT MAY BE TRUE. BUT IF I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASCEND TO THIS, I WANT SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE WHICH WOULD EXPRESS WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

WELL, I THINK YOUR LANGUAGE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

WE CAN LOOK AND SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SECOND THAT AND TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.

IS THERE SECOND TO COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN MOTION? COMMISSIONER SABELLICO SECOND.

OKAY. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? LET ME JUST POINT OUT, I THINK IT'S WELL INTENDED.

I'M REALLY NOT CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OR ANYBODY IN THE CITY IS GOING TO LOOK NEGATIVELY OR CRITICIZE US IF WE DON'T GET TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE MATTERS. AGAIN, WE ARE PRIMARILY A PUBLIC HEARING BODY, AND THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TAKE THEIR TAKE THEIR OWN TIME.

THAT'S BEYOND OUR CONTROL.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT CERTAIN OF THESE ITEMS WE CAN'T COMPLETE BECAUSE IT'S NOT READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT AND NOT CRITICIZE US FOR NOT DOING THAT. HAVING SAID THAT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE SUCH AS COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN MENTIONED, BUT I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I THINK IT'S BASICALLY UNDERSTOOD AND I'M NOT TOO PERSONALLY WORRIED THAT SOME OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR NOT DOING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY? I HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE SOUNDS ADEQUATE.

I THINK THE, I'M OUT OF STEP BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I WANT TO ADD THINGS TO THIS AND NOT REDUCE THINGS. THE MILLS ACT HAS BEEN COMING UP IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW FROM.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE.

IF THE MILLS ACT, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO GO BACK TO SORT PRESERVATION IN JULY, IF THAT WILL BE IN OUR 2023 WORK PLAN, IT'S NOT LISTED HERE.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE IN OUR WORK PLAN.

AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT EXCLUDED AND NOT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

THAT'S OUR MY CONCERN.

THANK YOU. SO THE MILLS ACT EFFORT IS ONGOING.

I KNOW THERE'S A DRAFT ORDINANCE BEING CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW AND AS COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY MENTIONED, IT WILL GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR THEM TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AMENDMENTS TO, I BELIEVE IT'S TITLE 18 OF THE CITY'S CODE.

SO IT WOULD NOT BE COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS WHY IT WASN'T LISTED HERE. HAVING SAID THAT, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN, WHAT WHAT THE COUNCIL FINALLY DECIDES, WE COULD BRING YOU INFORMATION ON THAT EITHER IN THE HEARING OR JUST PROVIDE YOU INFORMATION THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER OUTSIDE THE HEARING.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE SECTION OF THE CODE, IT'S AMENDING AND THERE IS A SEPARATE COMMISSION THAT ACTS ON THAT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU.

ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE IMPLEMENTING BODY; IS THAT CORRECT? YES, I THINK THE WAY IT'S BEING DRAFTED, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE ONES PROCESSING ANY MILLS CONTRACTS.

OKAY. SO YOU DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SHOWING UP IN 2023 IS WHAT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE EXCLUDE IT AND IT COMES TO US, WOULD WE HAVE TO MODIFY THE WORK PLAN? OR IF WE PUT IT IN AND IT DOESN'T COME TO US, THEN WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY OBLIGATED. YEAH, I THINK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND THE PROGRESS ON IT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DECIDED THIS YEAR IN 2022, IT'S JUST GOING TO GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THEN ONTO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S BEING STRUCTURED.

SO THE ACTUAL MILLS ACT CONTRACTS ARE ACTED ON BY THE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A

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ASSUMING THE OTHER PART, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL AS THE DETERMINATION IF A PROPERTY ISN'T CURRENTLY A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PROPERTY, THEN THAT COULD BE DONE CONCURRENT WITH THE CONTRACT FOR THE MILLS ACT.

SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S A ROLE AND FUNCTION OF A SEPARATE COMMISSION, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE COULDN'T BE A PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF WHAT THE MILLS ACT IS, SOME KIND OF AN INFORMATIONAL, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE AN ACTION ITEM.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

THE STAFF HAVE SPECIFIC ENOUGH DIRECTION IN TERMS OF AMENDMENTS TO THE TO THE

[4. PLANNING COMMISSION SELECTION OF OFFICERS]

THE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED BECAUSE WE TOLD COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN EARLIER, AND I DON'T REMEMBER HIS LANGUAGE WORD FOR WORD RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE RECORDING AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEN ADD THAT TO THE RESOLUTION.

MR. KAMENJARIN, COULD YOU GIVE US THE WORD FOR JUST KIND OF REFRESH YOUR MEMORY? YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REMEMBER. OKAY, WELL, JUST WHATEVER YOU SAID, MR. CHAIR, GENIUS ONLY STRIKES OCCASIONALLY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THAT.

THE IDEA WAS THAT WE WOULD USE OUR BEST EFFORTS.

WE ALL LOVE THAT EXPRESSION, AND WE WOULD USE OUR BEST EFFORTS SUBJECT TO CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY BE BEYOND OUR CONTROL TO FULFILL THESE GOALS.

STAFF HAVE BEEN UP. YES.

YES. THANK YOU. OKAY.

MOTION AND SECOND, LET'S.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. LET'S VOTE.

IT'S NICE.

NOT. OKAY.

EVERYBODY LOCK IN.

NO, IT'S NOT.

SO DO WE HAVE TO START AGAIN OR WE JUST TAKE.

ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES PASSES 7-0.

THANK YOU ALL. OKAY.

LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WOULD BE FOR FINAL COMMENTS.

FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONERS, I'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LINE.

COMMISSIONER LUNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR US TONIGHT? COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? VERY BRIEFLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT MR. SABELLICO AND MS. LAFFERTY'S EXPERIENCES ON THE CALIFORNIA LEAGUE OF CITIES, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE BRIEF. WE GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE IT'S DARK.

COMMISSIONER MEENES, ANY COMMENTS? NO. OKAY.

NOW, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, WHO DID ATTEND THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES.

WELL, THANK YOU. I WILL BE BRIEF.

I SHARE YOUR SENTIMENTS.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, YOU HAD ASKED ME TO JOT SOME NOTES DOWN ABOUT THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER, MICK CORNETT, WHO WAS THE FORMER MAYOR OF OKLAHOMA CITY.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

I REALLY ENJOYED HIS KEYNOTE ADDRESS.

AND I ALSO REALLY ENJOYED THE CONFERENCE.

THANK YOU TO THE CITY FOR SENDING ME.

AND I THINK IT MADE ME A BETTER COMMISSIONER.

SO I'M GLAD THAT I ATTENDED.

I DON'T THINK THAT I WILL GO EVERY YEAR AND I DON'T THINK I'LL BE ALLOWED TO GO EVERY YEAR. I'M GLAD I GOT TO GO ONCE.

SO. MAYOR CORNETT, YOU SPOKE ABOUT MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY STRUCK ME WAS HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA CITY IS A REALLY INTERESTING CASE ACADEMICALLY FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.

IT WAS BUILT IT WAS SORT OF FOUNDED IN A DAY BY A LAND RUN, WHICH IS WHEN THEY USED TO HAVE EVERYONE GO STAND AT A STARTING LINE AND A GUN WOULD GO OFF AND THEY WOULD RUSH TO CLAIM A PLOT.

AND IF THE FIRST PERSON WHO GOT TO THAT PLOT, THE PLOT WOULD BE THEIRS.

AND THAT'S HOW THE POPULATION WENT FROM 0 TO 10000 IN A SINGLE DAY, AND WHICH IS NOT HOW OUR CITY WAS PLANNED.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT BROUGHT SOME CHALLENGES WITH IT.

AND HE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE.

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SO THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE A DOWNTOWN FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THAT WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM.

YOU KNOW, DURING HIS MAYORALTY, THE CITY WENT FROM, I THINK HE SAID LIKE ONE, ONE HOTEL TO LIKE 22 HOTELS BECAUSE THEY BUILT A DOWNTOWN AND THAT ALLOWED THEIR CITY TO EXPAND.

AND HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PUTTING HIS CITY ON A DIET.

THEY THEY FOUND HIS.

SO SOME SOME LIST CAME OUT THAT PUT HIS CITY AT LIKE THE TOP TEN MOST OBESE CITIES IN THE COUNTRY. AND HE SAID ONE OF THE REASONS WAS BECAUSE HIS CITY WAS REALLY GOOD.

IF YOU WERE A CAR AND EVERYTHING WAS BUILT AROUND CARS AND EVERYTHING WAS THERE WAS NO SIDEWALKS ON STREETS.

AND HE SAID, YOU COULD YOU COULD GET A SPEEDING TICKET AT RUSH HOUR BECAUSE THERE WAS JUST NO, THERE WAS SO MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE FOR CARS AND NO INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

AND THAT'S, FIRST OF ALL, POOR PLANNING, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT HE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE WAY HE HE ADDRESSED THAT AND HE TALKED ABOUT LIKE ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, TO ENCOURAGE HIS HIS CONSTITUENTS TO LOSE WEIGHT.

BUT REALLY, I TOOK AWAY FROM IT WAS MORE OF LIKE THE PLANNING ASPECT OF MAKING HIS CITY MORE FRIENDLY FOR PEOPLE WHO WALKED AND WHO DIDN'T WANT TO DRIVE A CAR EVERYWHERE.

SO I REALLY LIKED THAT.

I WILL ALSO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.

I KNOW COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY HAD TO LEAVE THE CONFERENCE A LITTLE BIT EARLY, SO SHE ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT OR TO ATTEND THAT AND REPORT BACK.

I WON'T TALK ABOUT ALL THE BILLS.

THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IN SACRAMENTO IS ALL THE LEGISLATORS GET TO INTRODUCE I THINK IT'S 14 BILLS OR SOME RIDICULOUSLY HIGH NUMBER THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO INTRODUCE, AND THEN THEY CAN'T GET TO ALL OF THEM.

SO A LOT OF THEM DIE.

AND THEN AROUND NOW, LIKE APRIL, MAY, JUNE DURING BUDGET SEASON IS WHEN A LOT OF THE THE BILLS EITHER EITHER DIE OR DON'T DIE.

AND THEN THEN WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE REMAINING BILLS THAT ARE LEFT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BILLS OUT THERE ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND NOT ALLOW ENTITIES TO COLLECT IMPACT FEES, WHICH DOES HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT, I THINK, FOR CARLSBAD IF THEY ARE TO PASS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY RELIES ON A LOT OF IMPACT FEES TO FUND OUR SERVICES.

SO I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER STINE IS ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN AND I'M HIS ALTERNATE. THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR CITY'S FINANCES ARE GOING TO BE ROBUST FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE RELY ON IMPACT FEES, THAT WE JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND THERE'S THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF BILLS OUT THERE ABOUT ELIMINATING PARKING REQUIREMENTS NEAR TRANSIT. YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED IN THE PAST AND MAYBE DIDN'T DIDN'T PASS THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE COMING BACK.

AND YEAH, WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES THIS TIME.

CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING? I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT IMPACT FEES, BECAUSE IMPACT FEES ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, WE HAVE MASTER PLANS FOR SEWER, WATER, PEDESTRIAN PARKS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. AND WE'VE HAD ENGINEERING STUDIES THAT LOOK AND SEE WHAT FACILITIES WILL NEED IN THE FUTURE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE.

AND THEN THOSE FEES ARE PRORATED OUT TO DEVELOPERS AS THEY COME IN TO PAY FOR THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, THE SEWER RIGHT THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED A WAY TO CONVEY IT, SAY, TO THE SEWER PLANT, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IMPACT FROM THAT.

ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH SB NINE AND ALLOWING HOMES TO GO FROM 1 TO 4 IS THAT WHEN THOSE MASTER PLANS ARE PREPARED, THEY WERE PREPARED BASED ON EXISTING ZONING AND OUR FEES COULD POTENTIALLY BE DEFICIENT IF THERE IS A LOT OF.

APPLICATION, IF YOU WILL, OF SB NINE.

AND SO TO HEAR THAT SACRAMENTO MAY BE SAYING WE'RE ALSO GOING TO SAY YOU CAN'T CHARGE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR SERVICES LIKE POLICE OR FIRE OR WHATEVER.

IT'S ACTUALLY TO FUND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING. AND IT CONCERNS ME WHEN I HEAR THAT SACRAMENTO SAYS WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A LOT OF HOUSING AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER WAY TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT THAT.

WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SO THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED WAS THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES LOBBYIST JASON RYAN PRESENTED, AND THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR Q&A AND THEY ACTUALLY DID

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AND I WILL DO THAT.

BUT THE BILL THAT I'M PARTICULARLY REFERRING TO IS AB 2063 BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER BERMAN CONCERNS DENSITY BONUS AND THE MEASURE WOULD PROHIBIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IMPACT FEES, INCLUSIONARY ZONING FEES IN LIEU FEES AND PUBLIC BENEFIT FEES ON ALL OF THE DENSITY BONUS UNITS. SO ANY UNITS THAT ARE ALLOACATED OR ANY UNITS THAT ARE PERMITTED UNDER DENSITY BONUS LAW WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO ANY IMPACT FEES, REALLY.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE CITY IS A LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT AND ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT SOME OF THE FEES YOU JUST MENTIONED.

DON'T TOUCH ON INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING, BUT YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D SEND THAT OUT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER MERZ? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY? WELL, I HAVE VISUALS, SO I'M GOING TO PASS THEM DOWN.

SO FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACADEMY, WE WENT TO THE FIRST HANDOUT IS THE CENTER FOR BISHOP RANCH. IT WAS A WALKING TOUR AND IT WAS PRESENTED BY JERRY ENGINE OF SUNSET DEVELOPMENT AND LAUREN BARR, WHO IS THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR SAN RAMON.

THE TOUR REVIEWED THE RECENTLY APPROVED CITY WALK MASTER PLAN FOR BISHOP'S RANCH, WHICH IS IN SAN RAMON.

THE GUIDE FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, CULMINATING AT THE CITY CENTER, WHICH WAS AN ARCHITECT'S DREAM.

RENZO PIANO. THE ITALIAN ARCHITECT.

THE ITALIAN ARCHITECT MOST NOTABLE FOR THE CENTER, THE POMPIDOU CENTER IN PARIS, FRANCE, AND THE CALIFORNIA ACADEMY OF SCIENCE IN SAN FRANCISCO.

THE MASTER PLAN CONNECTS THE FORMER AT&T, WHICH WAS AN OFFICE PARK COMPLEX, TO THE CITY CENTER THROUGH A SERIES OF PROTECTED TREE LINE, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FRIENDLY ALLEYS.

PARKING HAS BEEN ELEVATED OFF GRADE TO MAINTAIN PARKLAND AND ENCOURAGE GROUND FLOOR STOREFRONT RETAIL.

THE PLAN RELIES ON APPLYING POLICY CONSISTENT CONSISTENTLY AND THE GOODWILL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PROVIDE WALKING ACCESS BETWEEN OPEN SPACE AND DEVELOPMENT'S ENDING IN THE INTIMATE CENTRAL COURTYARD OF THE CITY CENTER WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN GATHER.

THE SECOND SO THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING WALKING TOUR.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE PLANNER AND THE DEVELOPER WALKING TOGETHER DESCRIBING HOW THEY SPECIFICALLY IMPLEMENTED THE PLAN AND CREATED THIS REALLY IN A SENSE THRIVING SHOPPING MALL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, NOWADAYS SHOPPING MALLS ARE DYING, BUT THEY BUILT A BRAND NEW ONE IN 2018 AND IT'S SEEMS INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT APPLIES TO US, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY VERY INSIGHTFUL IN THE WAY THAT WE GOT THE DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE AND HOW THE PLANNER SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY, VERY USEFUL TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO. AND SPEAKING OF SB NINE, MR. KEMP PRESENTED BY BARBARA KUNTZ OF GOLDFARB AND LIPMAN LLP.

DUE TO THE LACK OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, SHORT TERM RENTALS, SECOND HOMES, LABOR SHORTAGES, ET CETERA, CALIFORNIA HAS A SIGNIFICANT HOUSING SHORTAGE.

SB NINE THE CALIFORNIA HOME ACT REQUIRES MINISTERIAL APPROVAL FOR TWO UNITS HOUSING UP TO THREE UNITS SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENCE, ACCESSORY DWELLING AND JUNIOR ACCESSORY DWELLINGS ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT EXCEPT IN COASTAL AREAS DESIGNATED AS AND AND AREAS DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC SITES OR DISTRICTS.

THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, INCREASING DENSITY DOES NOT EQUATE AFFORDABILITY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK YOU'LL APPRECIATE.

THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUBDIVIDING SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WITH THESE TYPES OF UNITS IS ROUGHLY 5% OF THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION IN CALIFORNIA.

MOST HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT NORMALLY DEVELOPERS AND LIKELY UNABLE TO AFFORD CONSTRUCTION COST OF ADDING AN ADU, IF THEY CAN.

THESE CANNOT BE COUNTED ON AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN, WHICH LEADS TO SB 35.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSING CRISIS ACT AND THE STATE ASSIGNED RINA NUMBERS INTO THAT HAVE NOW BECOME, IN A SENSE, HOUSING QUOTAS FOR EACH CITY TO IDENTIFY POSSIBLE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING SITES LIKELY TO BE BUILT WITHIN AN EIGHT YEAR

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UPDATE ONLY SIX CITIES HAVE APPROVED HOUSING ELEMENTS.

THE REMAINING 180 PLUS OR MINUS CITIES DO NOT COMPLY BASED ON THE HCD LETTER OF 7/13/2021, CARLSBAD IS IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE HOUSING LAW.

DOES THIS MEAN THAT WE ARE ONE OF THE CITIES THAT HAS AN APPROVED HOUSING ELEMENT? YES. SO SO WE ARE ONE OF THAT ELITE SIX.

AND WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE.

WE HAVE TO COMMEND CERTAINLY OUR STAFF AND CERTAINLY COMMISSIONER LUNA, WHO WORKED ENDLESS HOURS TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPLYING WITH OUR ARENA NUMBERS. AND LIKE I SAY, THAT WAS THE BIG NEWS OF THE PLANNING OF THE LEAGUE OF CITIES FOR US WAS OUR HOUSING ELEMENT IS ONE OF SIX IN OUR STATE THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN.

AND NOW YOU'VE RAISED SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO IDENTIFY SITES.

YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, BUT SIX OUT OF 190 OR SOMETHING.

I MEAN, IT'S INSANE, RIGHT? SO, SO AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WAS MANY CITIES ARE USING A HYBRID MEETING MODEL WITH ZOOM AND IN-PERSON COUNCIL AND COMMISSION MEETINGS TO MAXIMIZE.

OH, THANK YOU. MAXIMIZE.

PARTICIPATION AND A HYBRID MODEL.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER A HYBRID MODEL IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. THE OTHER LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO REPORT ON WAS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, AND I DID SEND AROUND WITH THAT THE MILLS ACT PAPER.

YEAH. AND THAT WAS PRESENTED BY AND THAT WAS ON 3/14/2022 AND THAT WAS PRESENTED BY MIKE STRONG AND TERRY DEL CAMP, WHO WAS OUR RETIRED FORMER CITY PLANNER.

NOW SHE'S WORKING FOR HER OWN PRESERVATION AND PLANNING COMMISSION.

I MEAN, COMPANY, HER OWN COMPANY.

SO THEY PRESENTED THIS SESSION ON THE MILLS ACT.

QUALIFIED HISTORIC PROPERTIES LISTED ON NATIONAL, STATE OR LOCAL REGISTRIES ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THE MILLS ACT, WHICH IS A PROPERTY TAX REDUCTION TO INCENTIVIZE REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC HOMES.

THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY, PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, NEIGHBORHOODS AND POTENTIALLY INCREASED TOURISM.

IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO CITY REVENUE.

A VOLUNTARY TEN YEAR CONTRACT RUNS WITH THE LAND AND CAN BE PASSED ON TO NEW OWNERS RECOMMENDING AMENDMENTS.

THEY'RE THE RESEARCH GROUP WORKING ON THE MILLS ACT IS RECOMMENDING AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 22 AND TITLE 22 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE REVIEWING THESE HISTORIC HISTORIC APPLICATIONS.

SUGGESTED LIMIT WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THREE MILLS APPLICATIONS PER YEAR.

THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WAS CONCERNED WITH THAT BECAUSE THIS THIS WOULD TAKE MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS WITH THE 19 BUILDINGS THAT WERE ON THE ORIGINAL LIST OF THE PRE 1990 APPROVED CITY COUNCIL APPROVED BUILDINGS.

SO THAT WAS A BIT OF A CONCERN FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THAT CURRENTLY THERE ARE AT LEAST 313 PRIVATELY OWNED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD APPLY NOW.

SO THE AND LIKE I SAY, THE TWO OTHER THINGS ARE THE MILLS ACT WILL GO BACK TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION SOMETIME HOPEFULLY IN JULY.

AND THEN THE LAST THING THE VICTOR CONDO FOLLOW UP RESEARCH WAS IN WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING AS TO ITS HISTORIC VALUE.

AND THAT'S THE PROPERTY AT 2685-89 GARFIELD STREET.

THERE WAS AN UPDATE ON THE THIRD GRADE ART PROGRAM, AND PROPERTIES OF CONCERN WAS STILL A CONCERN WITH THE CULVER HOUSE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE REQUESTED THAT HISTORIC REPORTS BE FORWARDED FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS VERY THOROUGH.

JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT AND COMMISSIONER SABELLICO ALLUDED TO IT, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT UPDATE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

BOY, THAT'S A LOT OF WORDS.

AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING THE TITLE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S A MOUTHFUL.

WE DID MEET FOR THE FIRST TIME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

WE HAVE 19 MEMBERS INCLUDED AND THEN 19 ALTERNATES, AND I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE ALTERNATES ARE NOT JUST PUT IN THE BACKGROUND AND RESERVING THEY GET TO PARTICIPATE AND COMMISSIONER SABELLICO DID VERY MUCH PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

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SO IT WAS VERY GOOD.

IT WAS IT WAS A BASICALLY AN INTRODUCTION MEETING.

WE WERE GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND TALKING ABOUT PROCEDURES, NO SUBSTANTIVE DECISIONS, BUT WE WILL BE MEETING ONCE A MONTH FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND WITH THE IDEA OF GOING TO COUNCIL IN THE SPRING OF 2023.

SO THAT'S MY REPORT.

CITY PLANNER NEU? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST ONE REMINDER, YOU WERE SENT AN EMAIL ABOUT THE HOUSING LAW PRESENTATION. SO THIS IS FOR APRIL 26TH.

IT'S A TUESDAY FROM 2 TO 5:00 PM AT THE FARADAY BUILDING, AND THIS WOULD BE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE HOUSING COMMISSION.

SO WE HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN MAKE THE TIME TO ATTEND THAT THAT BRIEFING.

THANK YOU. CITY ATTORNEY? HE JUST STOLE MY THUNDER.

OKAY. NOTHING MORE.

OKAY. THANK YOU ALL.

I THINK WE'VE CONCLUDED OUR AGENDA.

EVERYBODY'S HAD FINAL COMMENTS, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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