Aug 16, 2022 City Council Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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PLEASE TAKE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER BE HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

HERE WE ARE. PRO TEM BLACKBURN PRESENT.

MAYOR HALL. HERE, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL FIVE OF US ARE PRESENT.

THE BEGINNING ANNOUNCEMENT.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS SERVING AS THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM NUMBER THREE.

WITH THAT, IF WE COULD ALL PLEASE RISE AND MR. BLACKBURN WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE U.S.

AS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY. CITY ATTORNEY, YOU WANT TO REPORT OUT ON CLOSED SESSION? THANK YOU, MAYOR. THERE WAS NO REPORTABLE ACTION.

OKAY. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD JUNE 21ST MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING HELD JUNE 21ST.

MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD JULY 12TH.

MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING HELD JULY 12TH MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD JULY 19 MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING HELD JULY 19 MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING HELD JULY 26TH.

MR. NORBY. YES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO VOTE APPROVAL ON THE MINUTES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I WAS ABSENT FOR THE REGULAR AND SPECIAL MEETING OF JULY 12TH AND THE REGULAR AND SPECIAL MEETING OF JULY 19TH.

AND I'LL BE ABSTAINING ON THOSE.

ANY OTHERS? MOTION OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS RECITED BY THE MAYOR.

CONSIDERING MR. NORBY IS EDITION'S SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

OOPS. I BLEW IT.

LET'S START OVER. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY PROVIDING COMMENTS AS PROVIDED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED COMMENTS AS REQUESTED UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

ALL OTHER NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

NO ACTIONS CAN OCCUR ON THESE ITEMS. WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND THAT THIS CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOME AND RESPECTED. SO WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? YES, MAYOR, WE DO.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MARK EMBRY, FOLLOWED BY GRETCHEN EMBRY.

HI, MY NAME IS MARK EMBRY.

ON JULY 19TH, MY SON ROBERT CAME BEFORE YOU AND SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION ON TAMARACK WITH SPEED.

HE INFORMED YOU THAT HE IS A FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC AND THAT HE WAS HOPEFUL THAT NO ACCIDENT WOULD TAKE PLACE SUCH AS THAT ON HIS STREET AND IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UNFORTUNATELY, ON AUGUST 7TH, SUNDAY AFTERNOON, A CALL WAS MADE.

THIS TIME MY SON WASN'T THE RESPONDER, ALTHOUGH HE WAS AT WORK AND WELL-PREPARED TO DO HIS JOB.

HE WAS A RECIPIENT OF THE CALL, A POSITION THAT NONE OF US ARE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH.

HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER HAD BEEN HIT WHILE RIDING A BICYCLE.

BY THE GRACE OF GOD, HIS DAUGHTER WAS SAVED BECAUSE THE BICYCLE SEAT CAME OFF OF THE BIKE.

UNFORTUNATELY, HIS WIFE'S INJURIES WERE BEYOND SAVING.

SHE DIED THE NEXT DAY IN THE HOSPITAL, SURROUNDED BY HER HUSBAND, ROBERT, HER FATHER, JOE AND MYSELF.

MANY PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT THIS AND CALL IT AN ACCIDENT.

THIS WAS BY NO MEANS AN ACCIDENT.

IT WAS A COLLISION.

AN ACCIDENT BY ITS VERY TERM SKATES RESPONSIBILITY.

A COLLISION PRESENTS PREVENTABLE FACTORS, ALONG WITH THE CURRENT CROWDED STREETS, USE OF HANDHELD DEVICES AND ANGRY PEOPLE DRIVING CARS ARE BECOMING BEYOND WHAT ANYONE CAN DEAL WITH.

SO MY SON ASKED FOR ONE ISSUE TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC.

I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

EACH OF YOU HERE ELECTED TO BE A CITY OFFICIAL.

YOU ELECTED TO REPRESENT US AS CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD.

YOU SWORE IN YOUR OATH THAT DEMONSTRATED BY YOUR ACCENT, IN YOUR WORDS, YOU WOULD BE THE CARETAKERS OF US AND WE WOULD HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU.

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HE SAID, EACH TIME A MAN STANDS UP FOR AN IDEAL OR ACTS TO IMPROVE A LOT OF OTHERS OR STRIKES OUT AGAINST INJUSTICE, HE SENDS FORTH A TINY RIPPLE OF HOPE AND CROSSING EACH OTHER FROM A MILLION DIFFERENT CENTERS OF ENERGY AND DARING.

THOSE RIPPLES BUILD A CURRENT WHICH CAN SWEEP DOWN THE MIGHTIEST WALLS OF OPPRESSION AND RESISTANCE.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING OF YOU IS TO ADDRESS THOSE FACTORS THAT ALLOW INSENSITIVE, SELFISH INDIVIDUALS TO ARBITRARILY BREAK THE RULES OF OUR HIGHWAYS AND STREETS AND PROTECT US, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ABIDE BY THE RULES AND PROVIDE US WITH THAT LITTLE RIPPLE OF HOPE THAT SENATOR KENNEDY SO MUCH CHAMPIONED.

PLEASE DON'T ALLOW CHRISTINE'S DEATH.

TO BECOME YESTERDAY'S NEWS.

ITS IMPACT FELT BY ONLY THOSE OF US WHO LOVED HER.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GRETCHEN EMBRY, FOLLOWED BY BOB EMBRY. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS GRETCHEN EMBRY.

AND I'M CHRISTINE HAWK'S MOTHER IN LAW, BOB EMBRY.

HIS MOTHER AND MARK, HIS WIFE.

AS A TEACHER OF 30 YEARS, I WAS TRAINED TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR THE PAST WEEK.

AS OF NOW, WE NEED MANY SOLUTIONS TO THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

SO I'M HERE JUST TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC TODAY.

I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO NEED TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY MENTIONED WERE RUMBLE STICKS OR RUMBLE STRIPS, CERAMIC ROAD REFLECTORS, DIPS OR DIVOTS IN THE ROADS.

THOSE WOULD BE THE EASIEST SOLUTIONS CURB EXTENSIONS, SPEED BUMPS, ROUNDABOUTS.

WE ALSO REQUEST YOU HIRE MORE STELLAR POLICE.

WE HAVE THE BEST POLICE FORCE HERE.

THEY HAVE BEEN AWESOME, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT ALL.

THEY CAN'T WORK ALL THE OVERTIME AND WE NEED HIGHER PAY FOR THESE MEN.

A LOT OF THEM ARE LEAVING TO GO TO DIFFERENT CITIES WHERE THEY ARE PAID MORE.

WE NEED TO KEEP OUR MEN.

WE NEED MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND BY HAVING THE COMMUNITY SLOW DOWN.

WE'RE HELPING THE POLICE AND FREEING THEM UP TO DO OTHER TASKS IN ORDER.

CHRISTINE, WAS THE SUNSHINE IN HER LIFE.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST START HERE WITH AN ACRONYM FOR THE WORD SUN.

I WAS A FIRST GRADE TEACHER FOR 30 YEARS, SO BEAR WITH ME.

SO STOP THE DISTRACTION IN YOUR CAR.

IF EVERYBODY JUST IN THIS ROOM COULD DO THAT, STOP USING YOUR CELL PHONE.

STOP BEING DISTRACTED BY YOUR RADIOS.

YOU UNDERSTAND THE RULES OF THE ROAD.

EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT IN YOUR COMMUNITY, PLEASE LOOK AT THE STOP SIGNS.

LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC, LOOK AT THE E-BIKES.

SLOW DOWN AND PLEASE AND NEVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF THE ROAD.

SOMEBODY TOOK THEIR EYES OFF THE ROAD AND MY BELOVED DAUGHTER IN LAW WAS KILLED.

WE CAN START TO DIE TODAY BY MAKING MAJOR CHANGES.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING.

THANK YOU. BOB EMBRY, FOLLOWED BY RAY PEARSON.

GOOD EVENING, GUYS. I CAME HERE A MONTH AGO TO DISCUSS TWO TOPICS PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE SPEEDS AT WHICH PEOPLE TRAVEL THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS.

I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE TRAUMA THAT I CARRY AS A TEN YEAR FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC SEEING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN HIT BY VEHICLES, RIDING IN AMBULANCE RIDES WITH THEM, SUFFERING, SCREAMING, GURGLING, BLOOD, PRAYING FOR THEIR LIFE, ASKING THEM, ASKING FOR ME NOT TO LET THEM DIE.

NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS.

I THINK THREE WEEKS LATER, MY WIFE WOULD BE HIT BY A 42 YEAR OLD FEMALE WHO LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TRAVELING APPROXIMATELY 40 MILES AN HOUR AND BLEW A STOP SIGN.

THANK GOD MY DAUGHTER DIDN'T DIE, BUT MY WIFE WASN'T SO LUCKY.

SHE WAS PULLED UNDERNEATH THE VEHICLE AND TAKEN TO A SHARP MEMORIAL.

I'M SORRY. SCRIPPS MEMORIAL TO TRAUMA SURGEONS WITH A COMBINED 70 YEARS EXPERIENCE SAID IT WAS THE WORST TRAUMA THEY HAD EVER SEEN.

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THE DOCTOR SAID IT WAS A MIRACLE SHE WAS ALIVE.

YOU KNOW, IT HURTS ME.

SHE WAS CONSCIOUS FOR AN HOUR ANSWERING QUESTIONS THE ENTIRE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL.

MY WIFE SUFFERED THE WAY NO ONE SHOULD SUFFER.

AND THAT I'VE SEEN.

THIS IS A GREAT CITY.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, BUT IT'S NOT THE SLEEPY BEACH COMMUNITY IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO.

WE HAVE TO EVOLVE WITH THE TIMES WE BUILD MORE AND MORE.

IT'S THE WAY OF THE TIME.

I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WE HAVE TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.

WE MUST MANUALLY INCONVENIENCE PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO STARBUCKS 30 SECONDS SLOWER BECAUSE THERE'S A STOP SIGN OR A SPEED BUMP.

I LOOK AT THE CITY OF ENCINITAS, ROUNDABOUTS ON LA KATY BOULEVARD, ROUNDABOUTS ON SANTA FE.

THEY JUST PUT A ROUNDABOUT IN ON 101.

THEY TOOK A TWO LANE HIGHWAY EACH WAY THROUGH.

LEUCADIA MADE IT ONE LANE WASN'T ENOUGH.

THEN THEY PUT IN SPEED BUMPS WASN'T ENOUGH.

NOW THEY HAVE ILLUMINATED CROSSWALKS.

HOPEFULLY IT'S ENOUGH. VULCAN, THE ROAD.

THE PARALLEL WAS IT JUST GOT SPEED BUMPS AND STOP SIGNS THAT THREE WAY INTERSECTIONS.

THEY KNOW IF WE DON'T FORCE PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE TRAGEDY.

BUT HERE'S WHERE I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO BE BETTER THAN THE CITY OF ENCINITAS.

THE CITIZENS OF ENCINITAS FOUGHT FOR TEN YEARS TO GET THIS DONE.

NOTHING HAPPENED.

IT WASN'T UNTIL A COUNCIL MEMBERS GOOD FRIEND GOT HIT BY A BIKE AND THAT TRAGEDY HIT HOME THAT THEY MADE THE CHANGE.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO HAVE TO SUFFER HOW I'VE SUFFERED.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LIVE 40 MORE YEARS TOGETHER.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GROW OLD AND GRAY.

MY DAUGHTER, WHO WAS RUNNING AROUND AND DOESN'T HAVE A MOM, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER.

PLEASE DON'T LET MY WIFE'S LOSS OF LIFE GO IN VAIN.

I SAID LAST LAST WEEK IT WAS LET'S SAVE A LIFE.

THAT'S HOW I ENDED IT.

AND NOW HERE I AM, TRYING TO SAVE ANOTHER LIFE BECAUSE MY LIFE'S MY WIFE'S LIFE WAS LOST.

LET'S DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TAXPAYERS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT HERE RECREATING THE PEOPLE THAT WE LOVE, THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO SERVE.

I BEG YOU, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, GUYS.

MIRA, I HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT I WAS GOING TO SHARE IN MY DEPARTMENT REPORT, BUT IN LIGHT OF OUR SPEAKER THIS EVENING, I'M WONDERING IF I MIGHT TAKE A MOMENT TO DO SO NOW.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, SIR.

WE HAVE EXPERIENCED TWO TRAGEDIES WHERE BICYCLISTS LOST THEIR LIVES ON THE ROADS IN JUST A LITTLE OVER A WEEK'S TIME.

FIRST, ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, WE WANT TO EXTEND OUR HEARTFELT CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES AND YOUR LOVED ONES.

AND EVEN AS I SAY THIS, I REALIZE AND TOTALLY RECOGNIZE THE INADEQUACY OF MY WORDS.

I WANT TO PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY WITH AN UPDATE ON THE ACTIONS THE CITY HAS TAKEN RELATED TO TRAFFIC SAFETY.

FIRST, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS STILL INVESTIGATING BOTH COLLISIONS.

I'VE ASKED OUR POLICE CHIEF TO SPEND THE TIME AND RESOURCES NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE THOROUGH AND ABSOLUTELY COMPLETE.

WHEN THIS IS DONE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH MORE INFORMATION.

I'VE ALSO ASKED STAFF TO GATHER ALL SPEED DATA, TRAFFIC AND COLLISION DATA FOR THE AREAS INVOLVED WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE SPECIFIC TO TAMARAC.

CITY COUNCIL DID DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP SOME SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMUNITY CONCERNS, AND THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO BE LAUNCHING SHORTLY. NOW THIS WORK IS PART OF OUR RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS A WAY FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO WORK WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS LIKE SPEEDING. WE JUST COMPLETED OUR WORK IN ABOUT TEN NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'RE ABOUT TO START SEVERAL MORE.

ADDITIONALLY, CITY COUNCIL HAS PRIORITIZED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PROGRAM WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND FOR THE COMMUNITY'S BENEFIT.

THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S FOCUSED ON ADDING MORE BIKE LANES, WIDER SIDEWALKS, DIFFERENT KINDS OF CROSSWALKS AND OTHER FEATURES ON OUR ROADWAYS.

AND THIS, OF COURSE, IS A LONG TERM EFFORT, BUT WE'VE COMPLETED SEVERAL STREETS ALREADY AND MORE ARE IN PROGRESS.

FINALLY, WE DO HAVE A SPECIAL MOBILITY COMMISSION MEETING THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR THIS THURSDAY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS EVENING'S COMMENTS, AS WELL AS THURSDAY'S COMMENTS.

AND THAT WAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMPILE ALL THE INFORMATION INTO A REPORT THAT WE'LL BE ISSUING TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE'LL MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS OUR HEARTFELT CONDOLENCES FOR THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY AND WE VERY MUCH FEEL FOR THE FAMILIES INVOLVED.

THANK YOU, MR. PEARSON.

MAYORS, CITY COUNCIL STAFF AND COMMUNITY.

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TO THE FRIENDS AND FAMILIES WHO HAVE LOST A LOVED ONE TO A TRAFFIC COLLISION, MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU.

YESTERDAY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, A CYCLIST LOST THEIR LIFE TO A SPEEDING MOTORCYCLE.

A TRAGEDY.

THIS TRAGEDY IS THE SECOND FATALITY THIS YEAR THAT HAS BEEN CAUSED IN PART BY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT ON CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, NORTHBOUND FROM POINSETTIA TO PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD.

I ASKED THAT POLICE MONITORING ENFORCEMENT BE INCREASED DAILY.

HOPEFULLY LIVES WILL BE SAVED AND INJURIES REDUCED.

NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE STREET SAFETY A PRIORITY.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GINGER PERKINS.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GINGER PERKINS.

I AM HERE REGARDING A STREAM BED AND REVEGETATION PROJECT THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD APPROVED THAT I BELIEVE IS AN ILLEGAL PROJECT.

THIS IS A MITIGATION PROJECT LOCATED IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND THE CENTER FOR NATURAL LANDS OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS ALSO CONSIDERED SAN DIEGO FOR AND IT IS MITIGATED FOR YOUR PROJECT CASETA VERDE DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPERTY BEING CLEARED AND THEN REVEGETATED WAS OWNED BY MY FAMILY FOR NEARLY 60 YEARS AND PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS HOMESTEADED.

I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THAT PROPERTY AND THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY AND ITS ENVIRONMENT AND ITS HABITAT.

I UNDERSTAND CLEARING IS TO BEGIN SEPTEMBER 1ST.

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR ALL FACTUAL INFORMATION TO BE AIRED AND IS SOLELY MISSING IN YOUR DOCUMENTS. MY REQUEST IS, AT THE VERY LEAST, TO STOP ALL ACTIVITIES NOW UNTIL YOU HAVE COLLECTED ALL THAT INFORMATION.

THE TITLE REPORT ON FILE WITH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD SHOULD REFLECT RECORDED DOCUMENTS THAT PROHIBIT MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THIS PROJECT.

MY FAMILY WAS A PART OF THOSE RECORDED DOCUMENTS WHEN WE SPLIT OUR PROPERTY INTO SIX PARCELS.

FACTS NOT DISCLOSED IN THE DOCUMENTS INCLUDE THERE IS AN EARTHEN DAM WITHIN THAT OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE CLEARING AND REVEGETATION, SUPPOSEDLY REVEGETATION.

MY FATHER BUILT THAT DAM DOWNSTREAM.

TWO MORE EARTHEN DAMS EXIST, ONE WHICH I OWN, WHICH IS A SHORT DISTANCE FROM THIS OTHER UPPER EARTHEN DAM. DOCUMENTS INDICATE THE DOCUMENTS WITHIN THE CITY INDICATE THIS IS A SEASONAL STREAM.

IT IS NOT.

IT IS NOW A YEAR ROUND COLLECTING WATER DUE TO PRIOR RECKLESS CLEARING BY SEA.

ONLY A $250,000 BRIDGE WAS REQUIRED TO BE BUILT ACROSS THIS DAM.

THE DAM, THE TOE OF THE DAM HAS BEEN IS BEEN WASHING OUT, POTENTIALLY AFFECTING ITS VIABILITY, CREATING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGE DOWNSTREAM.

THE DEVELOPER'S LIABILITY IS $1 MILLION, I BELIEVE.

PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR APPROVAL.

STOP THE PROJECT NOW.

REQUIRE AN EIR AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

GET ALL THE FACTS OUT.

THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST 15 MINUTES, MAYOR.

HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE LEFT? EIGHT. DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE THESE EIGHT SPEAKERS? OKAY. I'M SEEING THREE HEADS NOD.

YES. LET'S CONTINUE WITH THE SPEAKERS.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JASON COOK, FOLLOWED BY TED LAND.

GOOD EVENING. I ACTUALLY CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC IN MY OWN COMMUNITY ACROSS FROM RED OAKS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND FRANKLY, IT SEEMS IRRELEVANT AT THIS MOMENT, GIVEN THE HEARTACHE THAT THE FAMILY AND THE PRESENTERS BEFORE ME.

BUT WHAT I LEARNED IS A LITTLE BIT OF COURAGE TO SPEAK UP BEFORE HOPEFULLY IT'S TOO LATE FOR THE LOVED ONES THAT I'M AWARE OF AND THE CHILDREN THAT I SEE EVERY MORNING OF

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I HAVE THREE KIDS OF MY MY OWN.

I BOUGHT THE HOUSE PRIOR TO STARTING A FAMILY.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE GREATEST ASSETS OF THE COMMUNITY IS THE SCHOOL.

THE ENERGY WATCHING THE CHILDREN AS THEY RELEASE FROM SCHOOL INTO THE AFTERNOON, AS THEY WALK WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND CATCH UP IN THE MORNING.

BUT I FEAR EXACTLY WHAT THAT FAMILY IS LIVING.

AND IF I WASN'T TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I REPRESENT AS A BOARD MEMBER OF AVOCET, I WOULD BE NEGLIGENT IN MY DUTY TO ADVOCATE.

TO SAY THAT WE'RE HERE IN PARTNERSHIP FOR REASONABLE SOLUTIONS.

THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION OR I KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE DONE SO.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND AT LEAST MY GRATITUDE FOR THOSE OF THE FAMILY THAT LOST A LOVED ONE.

FOR SPEAKING UP ON MY BEHALF BEFORE I WAS CALLED TO ACTION.

AND IF I CAN CARRY THAT TORCH FOR YOU AND SAVE ANOTHER LIFE.

THEN THAT IS MY CALLING.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS TED LANGE, FOLLOWED BY STEVE WILLIAMS. HELLO. MY NAME IS TED LANGE.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE AFL-CIO.

AND WE'RE HERE, OF COURSE, TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC.

AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW.

AND BY THE WAY, THE CITY HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING IN TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

AND THEY PUT IN SIGNS.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BEEN OUT TO TRY AND SLOW THINGS DOWN.

WE'VE GOT A NO U-TURN SIGNAL OR SIGN, IF YOU WILL, WHERE I'VE SAID AND WHERE BLACKBIRDS CIRCLE AND AND AMBROSIA COMES TOGETHER TO PREVENT THE TO AVOID ACCIDENTS.

AND ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT HOW COME? AND I LOOKED UP ON AMBROSIA, ALL IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL FROM 1 TO 3.

YOU CANNOT PARK.

AND I DID SOME RESEARCH TO FIND OUT HOW DID THAT COME TO BE? IT WAS A FACT THAT THE SCHOOL WAS SCARED TO DEATH ONE OF THE KIDS OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE CROSSWALK OR GO UP TO THE TOP, BUT RUN ACROSS IN FRONT OF CARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT DROVE THE PROBLEM TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

RIGHT NOW, NO.

ONE, EVERYBODY MAKES A U-TURN.

WE HAVE TWO RED ZONES.

THEY BLOCK THE RED ZONES.

YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE ALL HAVE CHILDREN ABOUT WANTING TO PICK UP THE KIDS.

BUT WE'VE SEEN AT LEAST TEN INCIDENCES WHERE PEOPLE WHIPPED A U-TURN AND CLICKED CLIPS.

SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND THEY GET OUT OF THE CAR AND GET INTO AN ARGUMENT ABOUT IT.

AND I'M SCARED TO DEATH.

IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE KIDS RUNNING ACROSS BECAUSE THEY DON'T THEY DON'T LOOK.

I MEAN, THEY JUST GO, HERE'S MOM AND THEY GET IN THE CAR.

AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE HAVE THEM DOUBLE PARK.

UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY, BLACKBEARD'S CIRCLE IS HUGE AND THEY DOUBLE PARK AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY PARK IN DRIVEWAYS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ASK THEM TO MOVE OR HONK, THEY DO.

THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.

IT'S THE SAFETY ISSUE ALL ALONG, THE FIRST PART OF BLACKBIRD CIRCLE, BECAUSE ON EACH END THERE'S TWO BLIND CURVES AND PEOPLE COME WHIPPING AROUND THAT WHOOPS, COME WHIPPING AROUND THAT, AND THE KIDS ARE GETTING INTO CARS.

AND I THINK WE'RE JUST WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OF THE PARTICULARLY THE NO U-TURN SIGN AND THE RED ZONES BECAUSE IT BLOCKS THE TRAFFIC AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HIT AND MORE THAN A SMALL ACCIDENT.

SO I REALLY HOPE AND AGAIN, THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY I'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.

WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A GATE IN THERE.

WELL, WE'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH.

WE CAN'T DO IT. AND THEN WE FOUND OUT WHAT IT WOULD COST.

SO WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION BEFORE ANOTHER PROBLEM HAPPENS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU HELP US IN TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

THANK YOU. STEVE WILLIAMS, FOLLOWED BY KAREN WALKER.

HELLO, I'M STEVE WILLIAMS. I'M WITH THE ABC AT HOME.

I'M THE TREASURER.

I JUST WANTED TO TELL THE COUNCIL AND THAT I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THAT COMMUNITY, THE AVOCET COMMUNITY FOR 26 YEARS.

WHEN I BOUGHT INTO THE COMMUNITY, THERE WAS JUST AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IT WAS VERY SMALL.

THEN WE GOT PORTABLES.

THEN WE GOT A MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THEN WE GOT MORE PORTABLES.

I MEAN, IT JUST GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER.

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NO WAY FOR KIDS TO BE DROPPED OFF SAFELY.

AS TED SAID, NOW YOU CAN'T EVEN PARK THERE.

IT'S PUSHING ALL THE DROP OFF TRAFFIC INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE'RE THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET DROPPED OFF.

IT IS A REAL PROBLEM.

I WOULD ASK THAT OUR COUNCILMAN.

THREE AND FOUR DISTRICTS, THREE AND FOUR, BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH MARRIED TO THAT AREA.

COME VISIT IT EITHER IN THE MORNING OR IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THE KIDS ARE GETTING DROPPED OFF AND VIEW IT FOR YOURSELF.

I CAN'T YOU KNOW, WE CAN TELL YOU, BUT SEEING IT, I THINK YOU'LL GET IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OKAY. KAREN WALKER, FOLLOWED BY MIKE BORRELLO.

I ALSO LIVE IN AVOCET FOR SOME TIME, 27 YEARS.

SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH.

AND I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD AND.

THERE'S A CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ENTRANCE THAT IF THERE'S PARKING.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING NO PARKING SIGNS UP IN THE FIRST PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY IS AFRAID THAT ALL THE PARKING IS GOING TO FLOW BACK TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION WILL BE, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY A HUGE PROBLEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE'VE WE'VE MENTIONED. AND IT JUST GETS WORSE ALL THE TIME.

AND WE'RE ALL WE ARE ALL AFRAID OF SOME KIND OF DANGEROUS SITUATION WHERE CHILDREN OR SOMEONE ELSE IS HURT BECAUSE OF THOSE THOSE BLIND CORNERS AND THE SPEED OF WHICH PEOPLE, AGAIN, GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'VE GOT BLIND CORNERS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

AND SO IN LIGHT OF THIS TERRIBLE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE, I THINK THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT THINGS TO REALLY LOOK AT AND AND FIND SOME SOLUTIONS FOR.

THANK YOU. MIKE BRELO, FOLLOWED BY TIM MORGAN.

LOOK. COUNSEL SO THE LAST I SPOKE TO THE COUNSEL, I BROUGHT IN AN AFFIDAVIT THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY A FRIEND OF MINE REGARDING ELECTION VALIDITY. I HOPE THE COUNSEL HAS HAD SOME TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE.

THE SAME FRIEND TONIGHT IS PRESENTING TO HER CITY COUNCIL.

APPARENTLY THE SAN CLEMENTE CITY COUNCIL HAS A RESOLUTION ITEM F CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION CALLING ON THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE TO ENHANCE THE CONFIDENCE OF THE VOTING PUBLIC AND ELECTION OUTCOMES THROUGH IMPROVED ELECTION PROCESSES.

SO SHE PRESENTED TONIGHT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 2.5.

A VOTER WHO CAST A VOTE IN AN ELECTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAWS OF THE STATE SHALL HAVE THAT VOTE COUNTED.

SO. SHE SAID, HERE ARE PEOPLE'S VOTE NOT COUNTED UNLESS REGISTERED VOTERS PROVE THAT THE VOTING SYSTEM USED IN ANY FEDERAL ELECTION WAS CERTIFIED, ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION.

THAT'S UNDER THE HAVA ACT.

SO WHAT THE STATE DID, WHAT CALIFORNIA DID IS THEY ASSERT THAT LAW, THAT FEDERAL LAW, AND THEY PUT IN A CALIFORNIA CODE.

ACTUALLY, A LOT OF STATES HAVE DONE THAT.

THEY JUST IGNORED HAVA.

AND THE REASON THEY'VE DONE THAT IS HAVE ACTUALLY THE EEOC HAS NOT HAD A QUORUM SINCE IT'S SINCE IT WENT INTO OR TRIED TO GO INTO COMMISSION.

THEY HAVE NOT HAD A QUORUM.

THEY HAVE NOT HAD A CERTIFICATION OF THE MACHINES ACCORDING TO EEOC REQUIREMENTS.

THEY GO BY CALIFORNIA.

SO I PRESENTED THIS REGISTER VOTERS.

ALSO THE SHERIFF COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

IT'S ON A DETECTIVE'S DESK RIGHT NOW.

HE'S LOOKING INTO IT.

SO SETH KESSEL HAS RECOMMENDED TEN POINTS FOR TRUE ELECTION INTEGRITY.

IT INVOLVES VOTER ROLLS BANNING ALL ELECTRONIC VOTING EQUIPMENT.

GO BACK TO PAPER, PEN, PENCIL.

MAKE MAIL IN. VOTING, VOTING.

ILLEGAL. YOU JUST DON'T HAVE MAIL IN VOTING EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE LIKE OVERSEAS.

ELIMINATE EARLY VOTING.

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MANDATE A TEN YEAR PRISON TERM FOR ANYONE CAUGHT RESTRICTING ACCESS FOR MEMBERS OF ANY PARTY TO OBSERVE ELECTION PROCEDURES.

SO BASICALLY GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE THE MACHINES.

K MACHINES WERE BROUGHT IN BECAUSE OF THE CHAD ISSUE, BUT THEY'VE BECOME CORRUPT BEYOND THAT POINT.

SO PLEASE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

PLEASE READ THE AFFIDAVIT THAT I BROUGHT YOU LAST TIME.

THANK YOU. TIM MORGAN, FOLLOWED BY A TODD HARRIS.

FIRST OFF, MY CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO BOB AND HIS FAMILY.

YOU'RE IN MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.

A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND TO THE AUDIENCE.

I'VE BEEN COMING TO CITY HALL SINCE MAY, SPEAKING ABOUT THE SPEED ON TAMARACK AND VALLEY AND HOW THE CURRENT PROJECT ON TAMARACK AND VALLEY IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

IT'S NOW ALMOST THE END OF THE SUMMER AND SINCE THE POP OUT THE CURB EXTENSION, THE POLES WERE PUT UP ON THE CORNER OF VALLEY AND TAMARACK.

THERE'S BEEN FOUR ACCIDENTS AT AROUND THE INTERSECTION.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN THIS MANY ACCIDENTS IN THIS SHORT OF A TIME FRAME.

THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION, 100% OF THE COMMUNITY ARE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION.

AND AFTER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TRAGIC BIKE ACCIDENT LAST WEEK, THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOW PLEADING CITY COUNCIL TO REMOVE THE POP OUTS AND RELOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.

THE COMMUNITY IS NOW PLEADING THE CITY COUNCIL TO STOP THE HAWK SIGNAL FROM BEING FINISHED IN OCTOBER AND LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES JUST SUCH AS SPEED CUSHIONS OR ROUNDABOUTS. THE NEIGHBOR AND EVERYONE WHO VISITS THE SITE SEE HOW DANGEROUS THE PROJECT IS.

THE FOUR ACCIDENTS SINCE JUNE 28 DOCUMENTS HOW UNSAFE THE TAMARACK AVENUE IS AND HOW THE HAWK SIGNAL IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

IN ADDITION TO THE FOUR ACCIDENTS THE COMMUNITY HAS, THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AROUND THERE HAS WITNESSED A DOZEN NEAR-MISSES.

WE SEE BIKERS TRAVELING IN INTO THE VEHICLE LANE BECAUSE THE POP OUTS NARROW THE STREET, MAKING IT LESS ROOM FOR THE BIKERS TO TRAVEL.

THE HAWK SIGNAL IS NOT A SOLUTION.

WE SEE VEHICLES TURNING WESTBOUND ONTO THE TAMARACK GOING IN THE UPCOMING LANE BECAUSE THE POP OUTS PREVENT THE DRIVER TO MAKE THE NORMAL TURN.

THE HAWK SIGNAL IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

WE SEE MOST DRIVERS CONFUSED.

IF THEY NEED TO STOP OR OR NOT STOP DUE TO DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, THE SIGNAL WILL BE DARK FOR 22 HOURS DURING THE DAY.

THIS CAUSING THE CONFUSION WAS A CAUSE OF ONE OF THE FOUR ACCIDENTS WITH THE VEHICLE BEHIND CRASHING INTO THE UNWARRANTED STOP VEHICLE.

GUYS, THE HAWK SIGNAL IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

WE SEE DRIVERS SPEEDING DOWN TAMARACK WITH NO SPEED ALTERNATIVE TO SLOW THE VEHICLES DOWN.

THE CURRENT HAWK SIGNAL IS NOT THE SOLUTION AND WILL NOT PREVENT SPEEDING AGAIN.

THE SIGNAL WOULD BE DARK FOR 22 HOURS OF THE DAY, ONLY ACTIVATED IN THE MORNING AND THE IN THE AFTERNOON.

WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, THE POP OUTS IN THE HAWK SIGNAL MUST BE STOPPED.

CITY COUNCIL. THE BALL'S IN YOUR COURT.

WE HAVE THE SUPPORT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WENT THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AND HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION.

WE HAVE 100% CONSENSUS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE CURRENT PROJECT IS DANGEROUS AND NOT THE SOLUTION.

WE ASK YOU, PLEASE ACT NOW, STOP THE PROJECT AND PREVENT ANOTHER ACCIDENT FROM OCCURRING AND PREVENT ANOTHER FATAL ACCIDENT FROM OCCURRING. THANK YOU, TODD HARRIS, FOLLOWED BY DOMINIQUE BABCOCK.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TODD HARRIS.

I'M A TEN YEAR RESIDENT OF OLD CARLSBAD, AND I'M A BUSINESS OWNER ON STATE STREET.

LAST SUNDAY, THERE WAS A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE.

WE LIVE ON BASS WOOD AVENUE, AND OUR HEARTS AND CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO THE EMBREE FAMILY.

TO BOB, I SINCERELY REGRET THAT I WAS NOT HERE ADVOCATING WHAT BOB WAS ADVOCATING FOR.

WE HAVE TRULY WITNESSED FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES ON THE STREETS IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.

THE STREETS WERE DESIGNED 50 YEARS AGO FOR A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF TRAFFIC PATTERN, FOR A VERY DIFFERENT WAY OF OUR KIDS COMMUNICATING OR COMMUTING TO SCHOOL.

E-BIKES ARE NOW A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND IT IS TO OUR SCHOOLS BY MOST OF OUR CHILDREN.

AND AS TO THE BEACHES AND PARKS FOR MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE STREETS ARE NOT NOT DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE CARS AND E-BIKES THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE USING THEM TODAY.

WE NEED COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC AND PROVIDE SAFER ACCESS TO BIKES SO WE DON'T SEE MORE TRAGEDIES.

THIS TRAGEDY OCCURRED ON THE CORNER OF CARLSBAD HIGH SCHOOL.

IT IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE FOR ALL OF OUR KIDS GOING TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS FROM OUR COMMUNITY.

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I WANT TO ADD MY VOICE TO EVERYONE ELSE HERE ON THE NEED FOR QUICK ACTION, AS WELL AS MY SUPPORT ON ANY EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WE CAN.

WE CAN COME TO YOU. THANK YOU.

DOMINIQUE BABCOCK.

HI. I CAME HERE TONIGHT JUST TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT.

BUT IT'S FEELS VERY INSIGNIFICANT AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

I ALMOST FEEL SILLY.

BUT ANYWAY, MY TENNIS PLAYING FRIENDS AND I HAVE BEEN PLAYING TENNIS AT THE PARK AT POINSETTIA FOR TEN OR 15 YEARS NOW IN THE MORNING BEFORE WORK. AND I REALIZED THAT THE CITY HAD TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AS FAR AS LOCKING UP THE PUBLIC COURTS FOR PLAY.

I WOULD ONLY ASK THAT AMONG ALL THESE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER POSSIBLY CHANGING THAT PROCEDURE FOR THE TENNIS COURTS AS I'M A PICKLEBALL AND A TENNIS PLAYER.

BUT I THINK THE REASON THEY WERE CLOSED IS THE NOISE.

AND THE TENNIS PLAYERS ARE JUST A DIFFERENT NOISE LEVEL THAN THE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT IF THERE IS A PROCESS THAT I COULD BE A PART OF TO START POSSIBLY ALLOWING THOSE COURTS TO BE UNLOCKED BEFORE WORK TO ALLOW US TO JUST HAVE OUR SPORT AND LIVE OUR LIFE.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND I'M SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS.

MAYOR. MA'AM.

I CAN'T SEE. GARY, BARBARA'S IS HERE SOMEWHERE.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO HIM, HE CAN ADDRESS YOUR PARTICULAR ISSUE.

SO WITH THAT, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL OF YOU WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF THE NIGHT WITH US.

SO AND AGAIN, ALL OF US, OUR HEARTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU.

AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THROUGH THIS.

THANK YOU. FREELANCE.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL DO IT ALL AT ONCE?

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

I THINK AS A STARTUP, THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE WAS KIND OF UNCERTAIN.

ITS SUCCESS WAS UNCERTAIN.

AND HERE WE ARE WITH A YEAR OF OPERATIONS SUCCESSFULLY AND ADDING TO TO THE THE CITIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN IN PURCHASING RENEWABLE ENERGIES. SO AS WE SAW ON THE STAFF REPORT, CARLSBAD, DEL MAR AND SOLANA BEACH WERE THE FIRST CITIES, BUT FOUR OTHER NORTH COUNTY CITIES HAVE SINCE AGREED TO JOIN.

ESCONDIDO, SAN MARCOS AND NOW OCEANSIDE AND VISTA.

SO THIS AGENDA ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS TO TO UPDATE OUR OUR AMENDMENT TO OUR JPA, OUR JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS IT.

THIS IS A VERY GOOD THING THAT IT'S GROWING AND DOING VERY WELL.

THAT'S IT. OKAY.

MOTION OF APPROVAL OF THE RECORD.

THERE ARE NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THESE ITEMS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I DIDN'T FINISH THE MOTION. MOVED TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO ORDINANCES FOR ADOPTION, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ORDINANCE NUMBER 60 429 BENEFIT FOR ELECTED

[8. ORDINANCE NO. CS-429 – BENEFITS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS]

SPEAKERS THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS.

MAYOR MOVE. ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

ITEM EIGHT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

DEPARTMENTAL AND CITY MANAGER REPORTS ITEM NUMBER NINE STATUS UPDATE PRESENTATION ON A NEW CITY HALL FORGE SLASH CIVIC CENTER.

[9. STATUS UPDATE PRESENTATION ON A NEW CITY HALL/CIVIC CENTER]

GENTLEMEN.

RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK. MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS GARY BARBERO, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

JOINING ME TONIGHT IS CURTIS JACKSON, OUR REAL ESTATE MANAGER.

TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU AN UPDATE ON THE CITY HALL CIVIC CENTER, CITY COUNCIL GOAL.

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SO JUST TO BRING THE COUNCIL UP TO DATE ON HISTORY, IN JANUARY OF 2016, THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHED A GOAL AND THE GOAL WAS TO PLAN FOR AND DEVELOP A CITY HALL IN THE CONTEXT OF A CIVIC CENTER CIVIC CENTER SITE.

YOU IDENTIFIED FOUR CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AT THAT TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR THE CITY HALL AND THE IDEA ABOUT CITY HALL AND A SITE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE FUTURE CIVIC CENTER USES WAS THE IDEA TO CREATE A CIVIC CENTER, COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE.

SO THOSE FOUR SITES WERE THE EXISTING CAMPUS WERE ON THE EXISTING CITY HALL, THE PINE AVENUE SENIOR CENTER SITE, OUR FRIDAY ADMINISTRATION CENTER SITE, ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT, A VACANT PROPERTY, AND THEN THE FARMERS PROPERTY AT EL CAMINO AND FARADAY AVENUE. IN 2017, WE PRESENTED TO YOU A FUNDING ANALYSIS MEMO AT A COUNCIL MEETING, AND AS WE TOLD YOU THEN, THE MAIN SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR A CITY HALL COMES FROM OUR COMMUNITY FACILITIES, DISTRICT NUMBER ONE AND CFD NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS REALLY A FEE, A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN THE 1990S TIME FRAME.

AND DEVELOPERS PAY THAT WHEN THEY PULL BUILDING PERMITS.

AND THE MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR FACILITIES TO CONSTRUCT FACILITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE DISTRICT AT THE TIME OF ITS FORMATION.

ONE OF THOSE USES, OF COURSE, IS A CITY HALL, SO THAT'S THE MAIN FUNDING SOURCE.

THE SECONDARY FUNDING SOURCE WOULD BE THE DISPOSITION OF CERTAIN REAL ESTATE PIECES, DEPENDING ON WHERE CITY HALL IS LOCATED.

THAT ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO THE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR CITY HALL.

WE ALSO PRESENTED TO YOU THE RESULTS OF OUR FIRST PHASE OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

AND THEN IN 2019 WE PRESENTED TO YOU THE SCOPING AND SPACE PLANNING ANALYSIS ALONG WITH THE SITE CRITERIA REPORT.

SO TO REMIND THE COUNCIL WHAT KIND OF THE THE GIST OF THE SPACE PLANNING ANALYSIS WAS AND WHAT THIS WAS, WAS AN ATTEMPT TO PROJECT THE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THE CITY WOULD NEED IN THE SIZE OF A CITY HALL IN THE YEAR 2035, GIVEN WHERE WE WERE IN 2019, EMPLOYEE BASE AND PROJECTED OF WHERE WE MIGHT BE IN 2035.

AND THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WERE, WERE FOR A SINGLE BUILDING, SINGLE STOREY CITY HALL.

WE WOULD NEED ABOUT 140,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND FOR A MULTI BUILDING OR A MULTIPLE STOREY LIKE A TWO STOREY CITY HALL, WE WOULD NEED AROUND 184,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

THE SECOND STORY, WHEN YOU GO TO A TWO STOREY CONFIGURATION, YOU NEED SOME REDUNDANT FACILITIES LIKE RESTROOMS ON BOTH FLOORS, ELEVATOR STAIRS, MEETING ROOMS, COFFEE ROOM, BREAK ROOMS, ETC.

SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WENT UP.

SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE DONE THREE THINGS AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING YOU, PRESENTING YOU THE RESULTS OF THOSE, THOSE THREE EFFORTS.

WE'VE UPDATED THE REVENUE ESTIMATES FROM 2017 TO TODAY'S TIME FRAME, 2022.

WE'VE DONE AND PREPARED CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS ON ALL FOUR OF THE SITES, AND WE'VE DONE AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.

THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN EFFORT WAS TO SEE IF WE WERE GOING TO SITE A COULD.

WE SITE 141,000 OR 184,000 SQUARE FOOT CITY HALL ON EACH OF THE FOUR SITES, INCLUDING PARKING AND WHAT WOULD BE LEFT OVER ON THOSE SITES FOR OTHER CIVIC CENTER USES.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE UPDATED OUR CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES FROM 2017 TO 2022.

SO STARTING WITH THE REVENUE ESTIMATES.

IN 2017, WE TOLD YOU WE WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE UP TO $111 MILLION FROM CFD AND FROM REAL ESTATE DISPOSITION TO FUND A CITY HALL IN 2022.

THAT NUMBER HAS INCREASED BY ABOUT $22 MILLION TO ABOUT 133 MILLION.

SOME OF IT IS FROM BETTER PROJECTIONS ON THE CFD, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL HOUSING UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED AND WILL BE EXPECTED FROM OUR HOUSING

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SO REMEMBER THAT NUMBER UP TO 133 MILLION.

I MENTIONED THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANNING WORK WE DID FOR ALL FOUR SITES.

WE DID A TOTAL OF 21 CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS, LAYING OUT WHETHER THE 140,000 OR 184,000 SQUARE FOOT CITY HALL WOULD FIT ON THOSE SITES, INCLUDING PARKING AS WELL AS THE OTHER USES THAT WERE ALREADY ON THE SITE AND WHAT WOULD BE LEFT OVER.

LAND WISE, VACANT, LAND WISE FOR OTHER CIVIC CENTER USES POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE.

THE RESULTS OF THAT ANALYSIS WERE THAT ALL FOUR SITES COULD ACCOMMODATE A NEW CITY HALL OF 140 OR 184,000 SQUARE FOOT. BUT ONLY THREE OF THEM WOULD HAVE LAND LEFT OVER FOR OTHER CIVIC CENTER USES.

SO THE SITE THAT CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE JUST THE CITY HALL WOULD BE THE FARADAY ADMINISTRATION CENTER SITE.

SO WE OWN A PORTION OF THAT, THE FARADAY ADMIN BUILDING, 68,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.

AND TO DO ADD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE WOULD NEED TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR THAT WE DON'T OWN.

IT'S VACANT.

BUT EVEN THEN, EVEN IF WE COULD ACQUIRE IT, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE A WILLING SELLER, WE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE CITY HALL.

THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY LAND LEFT OVER FOR A CIVIC CENTER.

SO ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE TONIGHT IS FOR THOSE REASONS NON, YOU KNOW, NO WILLING SELLER AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEET THE COUNCIL'S GOAL OF A CIVIC CENTER SITE WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT US TO.

TO NOT FURTHER STUDY THAT SITE BASED ON THE LANGUAGE IN THE GOAL.

CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES IN 2017, WE ESTIMATED THAT A 120,000 SQUARE FOOT CITY HALL WOULD COST BETWEEN 71 TO 113 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.

THE 120,000 SQUARE FEET IN 2017 WAS AN ESTIMATE AT THE TIME, AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES WERE BASED ON RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED CONSTRUCTED CITY HALLS AND OTHER CITIES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH, REACHED OUT TO THOSE CITIES, FOUND OUT WHAT IT COST THEM TO BUILD IN THAT RANGE OF 71 TO 113 MILLION WAS BASED ON THOSE CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES AND 120,000 SQUARE FEET.

NOW, REMEMBER THE 2019 STUDY, WHICH WAS SUBSEQUENT TO 2017, IDENTIFIED 141,000 SQUARE FEET TO 184,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO FAST FORWARD TO 2022.

OBVIOUSLY A TIME DIFFERENCE AND SOME CRAZY COST ESCALATIONS IN SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES DURING THE PANDEMIC AND CONTINUING ON.

WE HAD A COST ESTIMATE OR PROVIDE US ESTIMATES BASED ON THE 2019 SIZE ESTIMATES.

AND THE CONSTRUCTION RANGE NOW IS 126 MILLION TO 209 MILLION, DEPENDING ON WHICH SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THOSE ESTIMATES, WHILE THERE WERE DONE IN 2022, THEY ARE ESCALATED WITH AN ESCALATOR TO REFLECT A 2025 PRICING, ASSUMING AN ESTIMATE IN 2022.

MOVING FORWARD, WE COULD BREAK GROUND IN 2025, BUT THAT'S THAT'S FOR ESTIMATING PURPOSES ONLY.

SO SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS FROM THIS WORK.

REMEMBER, WE WE ONLY WE HAVE ESTIMATED WE HAVE UP TO 131 MILLION AVAILABLE.

BUT THE CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES EITHER JUST AT THAT NUMBER OR GREATLY EXCEED IT BASED ON THE 2019 SPACE NEED ESTIMATES.

SO CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED AND WE REALIZE THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE COMING IN FROM CFD NUMBER ONE OR THE REAL ESTATE REVENUE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CITY HALL ON ANY OF THE SITES BASED ON THE 2019 SPACE NEEDS NUMBERS.

BUT SINCE 2019, OUR SPACE NEEDS ESTIMATION SINCE THE TIME OUR 2019 SPACE NEEDS ESTIMATES WERE COMPLETED.

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WE IT'S CLEAR NOW THAT THE CITY'S SPACE NEEDS HAVE DRAMATICALLY DECREASED.

WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT WE KNOW IT'S PROBABLY LOWER THAN EVEN WHAT WE ESTIMATED 120,000 SQUARE FEET IN IN 2017.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THIS.

REMEMBER, 2019 WAS PRE-PANDEMIC.

AND SINCE THAT TIME, THERE'S THE UNIVERSAL AVAILABILITY AND EFFECTIVE MEETING SOFTWARE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US.

THINGS LIKE MICROSOFT TEAMS AND ZOOM AS COUNCILS, WHERE WE DO COUNCIL BRIEFINGS THROUGH ZOOM, WE USED TO DO THEM IN PERSON AND CITY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ACROSS THE CITY TO TO THE CITY MANAGER'S CONFERENCE ROOM AT THE CITY HALL BUILDING.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

IT'S VERY FOR A LONG TIME, WE CONDUCTED COUNCIL MEETINGS ON ZOOM.

SO THE SOFTWARE THAT'S AVAILABLE NOW WAS NOT AVAILABLE READILY IN 2019.

IT IS A VEHICLE FOR US TO COME TOGETHER AND DO OUR BUSINESS EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT BEING IN THE SAME BUILDING.

WE ALSO HAVE IMPLEMENTED TELECOMMUTING AND THAT HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT IT'S BEEN HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TO MAINTAIN OUR OPERATIONS.

AND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS LEAD TO THE NEED FOR PROBABLY LESS SPACE.

IF SOMEBODY IS TELECOMMUTING ONE, TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK, DO THEY NEED AN OFFICE OR COULD THEY SHARE AN OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE? WE'VE ALSO REALIZED THAT WE CAN BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT IN OUR SPACE PLANNING AND OUR EXISTING FACILITIES.

THE MAJORITY OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO WOULD HAVE COME TO A NEW CITY HALL BUILDING WERE COMING FROM THE FARADAY CENTER.

PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY, EXCEPT FOR THE COUPLE OF GROUPS THAT WILL BE RELOCATING WHEN THE ORION CENTER IS BUILT FROM FARADAY TO ORION CENTER AND WITH WITH THE SOFTWARE AND WITH TELECOMMUTING AND THE ABILITY TO TO DO OUR WORK REMOTELY, IF YOU WILL, WHETHER THAT'S ZOOM AT YOUR DESK OR ZOOM AT HOME.

WE JUST DON'T WE WE KNOW WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH SPACE ANYMORE SO WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY COMING IN REVENUE WISE TO BUILD THE PROJECTIONS FROM 2019. AND WE DON'T EVEN FEEL WE NEED THOSE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE ANYMORE.

SO THAT LED US TO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL FOR A KIND OF A FIFTH IDEA, A FIFTH ALTERNATIVE.

AND IT'S REALLY NOT A FIST SIGHT.

IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID.

SO LET ME SHARE THAT WITH YOU NOW.

WE WOULD CONTINUE TO OCCUPY AND UTILIZE THE FARADAY ADMINISTRATION CENTER.

THAT'S A 68,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

AND THEN WITH THAT, WE WOULD DEVELOP A NEW CITY HALL BUILDING ON THIS EXISTING CAMPUS.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 16,800 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE, INCLUDING THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.

WE KNOW WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES WITH THE SIZE OF COUNCIL CHAMBER AND WITH THE SPACE NEEDS AT CITY HALL.

SO WE WE TOOK THAT IDEA.

WE ESTIMATED WE PLUGGED A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT NUMBER.

THAT IS NOT THE SIZE THAT WE NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED.

BUT FOR CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATING PURPOSES, WE PICKED 40,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S PROBABLY LARGER THAN WE NEED, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS TO DECIDE, COME TO A CONCLUSION ABOUT HOW BIG OF A BUILDING WE WOULD NEED AT CITY HALL.

THAT BUILDING WOULD INCLUDE A NEW, LARGER COUNCIL CHAMBER, COMMUNITY MEETING ROOMS AND SPACES, PLAZAS, ETC.

AND WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE OFFICES FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND FOR STAFF OFFICES FOR THE ONES THAT ARE HERE NOW, PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL STAFFERS WHO WOULD BE COMING FROM OTHER BUILDINGS.

BUT BASED ON A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES WE HAVE, WE HAVE ESTIMATED THAT THAT WOULD COST SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 50 TO 60 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDES THE PARKING FOR BOTH THAT SIZE OF CITY HALL IN A PARKING STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS PARKING NEEDED FOR THE ENLARGEMENT AND REBUILD OF THE COLE LIBRARY TO FROM 24,000 SQUARE FEET TO 35,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS REQUIRED AS PART OF OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO. SO WITH A 50 TO $60 MILLION ESTIMATE AND UP TO $133 MILLION REVENUE STREAM, AGAIN, THAT INCLUDES CFD FUNDS PLUS REAL ESTATE.

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THERE ARE STILL FOUR THINGS, THREE THINGS BESIDES CITY HALL THAT NEED TO BE BUILT UNDER CFD FUNDING.

THE ORION PUBLIC WORKS CENTER, ALONG WITH PUBLIC WORKS STORAGE, THE VETERANS PARK.

AND WE DO HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND FINAL BIDS ON THAT YET.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE WOULD BE THE REBUILD OF THE COLE, REBUILD AND ENLARGEMENT OF THE COLE LIBRARY.

WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT, BUT NOT ENOUGH.

AND WE'VE ACTUALLY, THROUGH THIS EFFORT, DONE A CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE IN 2025 OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD THE THE COLE LIBRARY AND THE LARGE IT TO THE 35,000 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S IN THE RANGE OF 24 TO $26 MILLION.

SO GIVEN OUR REVENUE PROJECTED REVENUE STREAM THIS OPTION FIVE, WE FEEL WE'D BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES UNDER THE CFD.

SO IT'S KIND OF A NEW REALITY OF POST-COVID AND A NEW REALITY OF KIND OF LOOKING AT THE FINANCING AND REVENUE STREAM AND CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES AND TAKING A BIT OF A DIFFERENT PATH.

SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS.

ONE I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, WHICH IS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO US ON WHETHER OR NOT TO ELIMINATE THE FARADAY ADMINISTRATION CENTER SITE FROM A CIVIC CENTER CONCEPT.

OBVIOUSLY, UNDER THE THE KIND OF HYBRID WE'D STILL BE USING THE AT THE FARADAY CENTER, BUT AS A REBUILD OR BUILDING A NEW BUILDING ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

SO STOP PURSUING ACQUIRING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS TO DIRECT US TO CONSIDER DIRECTING US TO PURSUE THE HYBRID SITE OPTION, THE EXISTING CITY HALL AND THE FARADAY ADMIN OPTION. AND IF THAT IS YOUR DIRECTION, THEN WE HAVE A THIRD RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE THE SALE OF THE FARMER'S PROPERTY AT A TIME WHEN IT IS FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBLE.

SO LET ME EXPLAIN THAT WE BOUGHT THE FARMERS SITE WITH CFD NUMBER ONE FUNDS WITH THE INTENT IN 2002 TO PUT THE NEW CITY HALL THERE.

WE WE THERE WERE A SERIES OF EVENTS THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME.

THE COMMUNITY KIND OF TOLD THE COUNCIL THROUGH A CONNECTING COMMUNITY, PLACE AND SPIRIT WAS ONE EVENT THAT THAT WASN'T EXACTLY THE SITE FOR CITY HALL THAT THEY THEY PREFERRED.

WE FURTHER STUDIED IT.

BUT IF WE DON'T BUILD CITY HALL THERE, WE HAVE TO SELL THE SITE BECAUSE WE BOUGHT IT WITH CFD NUMBER ONE FUNDS.

IT CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN CFD AUTHORIZED USES, WHICH I'VE DETAILED, AND THE MONEY WOULD NEED TO GO BACK INTO THE CFD FUND AND WOULD THEN BE USED TO FUND THE FOUR REMAINING FACILITIES AUTHORIZED UNDER THE CFD.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT IMMEDIATELY.

WE CAN DO THAT WHEN WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO SELL OR WHEN WE ACTUALLY NEED THE MONEY IMMEDIATELY.

SO THOSE ARE OUR THREE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND MYSELF AND MR. JACKSON ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. SPEAKERS.

WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS GARY NISSIM, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT WILKINSON.

THANK YOU. THIS IS A GREAT ANALYSIS, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S MISSING A COMPLETE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THE PLUSES AND MINUSES.

IT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH PER SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH MONEY YOU CAN MAKE.

FOR EXAMPLE, ON THAT THE VILLAGE WOULD BENEFIT SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE NORTHERN LOCATIONS AND WE WOULDN'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF DOING FARRADAY OR THE FARMERS BUILDING, HAVING RESTAURANTS NEARBY AND OFFICE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THE EXTRA SALES TAX YOU GET GENERATED ARE REALLY VALUABLE IN THAT THEY'RE NOT IN THIS REPORT.

THIS IS JUST A IF YOU WERE BUILDING A HOUSE, WHERE WOULD YOU BUILD IT? HERE'S HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST FOR EACH SITE.

THIS IS AN. THE ONLY SITE THIS PINE AND THIS THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE IN WALKING DISTANCE.

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AND THESE TWO SITES, AND PARTICULARLY THIS ONE, ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A WALKABLE COMMUNITY.

A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION CAN WALK HERE, BUT ALL THE EMPLOYEES CAN WALK TO RESTAURANTS.

RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ALL DRIVING TO RESTAURANTS FOR LUNCH.

THEY'RE HAVING TO DRIVE IN ALL OF THEM FOR EVERY LITTLE THING THAT THEY DO.

AND THEY'RE ALL HYBRID MODEL INVOLVES THEM DRIVING HERE.

IN FACT, ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE HERE TO BACK UP WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

YOU DON'T HAVE THEM SITTING AT FARADAY READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

YOU WANT THEM HERE IN PERSON.

SO FOR YOUR MEETING, PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING, ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS FOR SMALLER COMMITTEES, THEY HAVE TO DRIVE IN HERE AND HAVE THEIR MEETING WHEN REALLY IF THEY WERE WORKING HERE, THEY COULD WALK ACROSS AND WALK HERE AND BE WORK LATE AND BE HERE FOR THE MEETING.

SO PART OF YOUR SUSTAINABILITY PLAN WOULD BE DOING THIS CIVIC CENTER HERE.

THEY WANT TO BE BRAINSTORMING BETWEEN CITY MANAGERS, YOU AND YOUR CITY MANAGER AND YOUR EMPLOYEES.

AND I'M NOT PROMOTING WORKPLACE VIOLENCE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE WALKING THROUGH YOUR COMPANY STAFF AND HITTING SOMEONE ON THE BACK OF THE HEAD OR GIVING THEM A HIGH FIVE AND TALKING TO THEM AND ASK THEM A LITTLE QUESTION.

REMEMBER, NO WORKPLACE VIOLENCE IS BEING PROMOTED HERE FOR THAT AND YOU WANT TO BE DOING BRAINSTORMING.

IT'S REALLY HARD FOR YOU FIVE TO BRAINSTORM HERE ON THE COUNCIL.

YOU REALLY WANT TO GO TALK TO AN EMPLOYEE AND ASK THE QUESTION ONCE IN A WHILE.

JUST THINK HOW MUCH BETTER IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

A PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD PRIVATELY DISCUSSED DRINKING BLEACH AS A COVERED CURE INSTEAD OF SAYING IT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.

THAT WAS A JOKE. AND YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO LAUGH AT THAT, BUT I GAVE IT MY BEST SHOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE GOT 4 SECONDS LEFT.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT WILKINSON, FOLLOWED BY DON CHRISTENSEN.

AS OUR COUNSEL, YOU ARE CHARGED TO CONSIDER AND MAKE DECISIONS ON MANY CRITICAL ISSUES, CRITICAL TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THOSE OF US WHO GET TO CALL CARLSBAD HOME.

WHEN I WAS MADE AWARE THAT THE ISSUE OF THE NEW CITY HALL WAS ON THE AGENDA, GRANTED, I JUMPED TO THINKING YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE ONE OF THOSE CRITICAL ISSUE DECISIONS, THAT BEING THE LOCATION OF THE NEW CITY HALL.

BUT ALAS, NO.

YOU ARE STILL TAKING IN INPUT AS WELL.

YOU SHOULD. PLEASE ALLOW ME SPEAKING FOR IMAGIN CARLSBAD TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT INPUT.

MY COMMENTS AT THE PODIUM MUST BE BRIEF.

SO I HAVE SENT TO EACH OF YOU AGAIN A FOUR PAGE PAPER ON WHY ONE LOCATION FOR CITY HALL IS BEST.

WE BELIEVE YOUR DECISION WHEN YOU GET TO IT WILL WEIGH IN HEAVILY ON HOW OR IF CARLSBAD WILL MATURE INTO A MORE COHESIVE AND WHOLE COMMUNITY.

A COMMUNITY WITH A STRONGER IDENTITY, STRONGER PRIDE, ENHANCED BY A STRONGER SENSE OF PLACE AND BELONGING.

ARE THERE TWO SIDES TO THE ISSUE? SURE THERE IS.

HOWEVER, TO OUR WAY OF THINKING, THERE IS ONLY ONE LOCATION, ONE SOLUTION.

IF THAT SOLUTION IS BASED ON PURE AND TRUE TOWN PLANNING, TOWN PLANNING WITH THE GOAL OF A MORE COHESIVE COMMUNITY, DO YOU BEST ACHIEVE THAT GOAL? OUR CHOICE FOR THE LOCATION OF THE NEW CITY HALL IS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. LAST SPEAKER IS DON CHRISTIANSON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, STAFF COUNCIL AND FELLOW CITIZENS.

MY NAME IS DON CHRISTIANSON.

I LIVE AT 3715 LONGVIEW DRIVE IN CARLSBAD.

I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR KEEPING CITY HALL WHERE IT IS.

A BIG PART OF THAT COMES FROM THIS DOCUMENT, COMMUNITY VISION.

AND JUST TO REFRESH FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN A BIT ABOUT IT.

THOUSANDS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE CITY SPONSORED END VISION CARLSBAD PROGRAM TO CREATE A COMMUNITY VISION FOR CARLSBAD'S FUTURE.

THE CORE VALUES AND VISION STATEMENTS EMERGING FROM THIS PROCESS SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR CITY LEADERS AS THEY CARRY OUT THEIR SERVICE TO ALL WHO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

NUMBER ONE CORE VISION.

VERY FIRST WORDS.

SMALL TOWN FEEL.

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CHARACTER AND CONNECTEDNESS.

ENHANCED CARLSBAD'S DEFINING ATTRIBUTES.

ITS SMALL TOWN FEEL AND BEACH COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

BUILD ON THE CITY'S CULTURE OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, VOLUNTEERISM AND PHILANTHROPY.

I AM I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN SMALL TOWNS.

THE CLOSEST TOWN TO WHERE I GREW UP ON A FARM WAS THREE MILES AWAY.

IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO GO INTO TOWN AND IT HAD CITY HALL IN TOWN.

MOST EVERY I CAN'T THINK OF ANY SMALL TOWNS AS INDICATED ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER.

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN TO A SMALL TOWN THAT HAS HAD A CITY HALL, NOT WITHIN A REASONABLE WALKING DISTANCE OF WHERE THE MAIN COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS HAPPENING. SO IT MAKES VERY GOOD SENSE TO ME TO KEEP CITY HALL WHERE IT IS EXPANDED UPON IT, GET SOME SYNERGY GOING, MORE SYNERGY BETWEEN THIS CITY HALL, POTENTIAL CIVIC CENTER AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF THE VILLAGE.

AND I UNDERSTAND ZOOM MEETINGS AND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO COMMUNICATE NOW THAN IT WAS PRE-COVID REMOTELY.

BUT I WILL SAY I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ANY ALTERNATIVE.

IF YOU WANT TO REALLY DO BUSINESS AND HAVE A HEART TO HEART WITH SOMEONE TO GET EYEBALL TO EYEBALL WITH THEM AND DON'T DO THE ZOOM THING.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS.

MAJOR QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO START, MR. NORBY? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

TO LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW.

I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS AS WELL, BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH MY QUESTIONS.

AND SO LET'S GO THROUGH LET'S GO THROUGH QUESTIONS.

WE'LL RUN THROUGH QUESTIONS.

WE'LL GO BACK TO COMMENTS.

QUESTION I'M SORRY.

I'LL HOLD MY COMMENTS.

SO, MR. JACKSON, WHEN I WHEN I HEARD THESE NUMBERS IN THE PRESENTATION, OUR FIVE YEAR ESCALATION COSTS FROM 2017 TO NOW, IT'S ROUGHLY 50% IN TERMS OF COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

THEN IN PREVIOUS QUESTIONING BY MYSELF, IN TERMS OF OUR INVESTMENTS AND OUR FINANCE, OUR RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENTS, AND THE POINT THAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT A LOT OF THESE FUNDS HAVE BEEN COLLECTED IN THE PAST THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT, AND THEY'RE SITTING IN A FUND AND WE'RE EARNING SOME INTEREST ON THEM.

BUT WE CELEBRATE WHEN WE GET 1.2 TO 1.6, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD.

AND WE'RE VERY RESTRICTED ABOUT WHERE WE CAN INVEST OUR MONEY.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME REAL PROPERTY INVOLVED AS WELL, AND THAT GOES UP.

BUT ESSENTIALLY JUST WITH THE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A CITY HALL.

WELL, WE PURCHASED PROPERTY FOR A CITY HALL 21 YEARS AGO, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.

AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST TO BUILD A CITY HALL 25 YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE 10 MILLION, MAYBE $25 MILLION.

AND TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBERS APPROACHING 150 TO $200 MILLION FOR FOR THE TOTAL PACKAGE, IF YOU WILL.

BUT WE'RE SEEING COSTS GO UP 50% OVER FIVE YEARS.

AND IN MY MATH, OUR INVESTMENT, THE MONEY THAT WE'VE COLLECTED IS GOING UP ABOUT 7% OVER THE SAME FIVE YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW.

DELAYING THIS, IF YOU WILL, OR PUTTING THE COMMUNITY THROUGH ANOTHER FIVE OR TEN YEARS.

IT'S IT'S ONLY THIS DELTA BETWEEN WHAT WE HAVE AND THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS ONLY GOING TO GET WIDER BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED ABILITY TO COLLECT INCOME ON OUR INVESTMENTS.

IS THAT IS THAT DO YOU SEE IT THE SAME WAY IN TERMS OF THE GAP IS WIDENING AND GETTING HARDER AND HARDER, MORE EXPENSIVE IN THE FUTURE? COUNCILMEMBER NORBY I THINK THAT IS AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION.

I THINK ALSO WHEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ASSETS THAT WE'VE PURCHASED SUCH AS THE FARMERS PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT IN ONE WAY.

YES, IT'S GOING UP IN VALUE, BUT IN SOME WAYS IT'S ALSO BECOMING MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN OR OR BRING UP TO A USABLE CONDITION.

SO IT DOESN'T EXACTLY CARRY THE SAME VALUE THAT IT DID.

YEAH, I THINK THE LAST TIME YOU LOOKED AT IT, WHICH WAS 2017, EVEN AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS ABOUT $12 MILLION WORTH OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IN IT.

SO. YES, IT IS BECOMING MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD AND THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE ARE NOT GROWING AT THE SAME RATE.

AND IF I COULD JUST ADD, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE INCREASED CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATE.

GARY, IF YOU COULD PULL THE MIKE IN.

THE BIGGEST THE BIGGEST THING THAT CONTRIBUTES, OF COURSE, IS THE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT SQUARE FOOTAGE AS IN 2017, 120,020 19, WE ESTIMATED 140 AND 184 AND WE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATED 140 AND 184 AND 2022.

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WE ESTIMATED THERE WAS A RANGE IN 2017.

THE LOW END IN 2022 REPRESENTS THE HIGH END IN 2017.

SORRY. MY MY BOOK TURNED OFF MY MIC.

I HAD THE HONOR OF BEING A COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND DURING THAT TIME, WE BUILT A NEW OPERATION CENTER ON THE MESA.

WHEN WE BUILT THAT OPERATION CENTER, THAT BECAME THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER AND A SECOND CHAMBER FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILDING IS LOW LYING ON THE HARBOR.

AND ALL OF THE SCENARIO PLANNING FOR INCIDENTS, IT'S PRETTY MUCH GONE, GONE, GONE, GONE, GONE.

RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA, EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI, EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO SO THEY BUILT THAT FACILITY.

IT'S ACTUALLY A ROOM THAT HOLDS TWO OR THREE TIMES AS MANY AS THE AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AS A SECOND MEETING ROOM FOR A VARIETY OF MEETINGS, PLANNING COMMISSION, COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND VARIOUS COMMISSIONS.

SO WHERE IS OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER? AND DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD A SECOND CHAMBER AT THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER? WE CURRENTLY ACTUALLY WE CURRENTLY HAVE WE'RE IN THE WORKS AT THE OUR OPERATION CENTER IS LOCATED AT THE POLICE AND FIRE SAFETY CENTER CURRENTLY.

AND WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING IS A RECONFIGURATION AND THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING I THINK ONCE WE'RE CREATING SWING SPACE AND THEN ONCE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE SWING SPACE, THEN WE'LL REDO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER AT THAT LOCATION.

IT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN IN THE FUTURE.

MR. JACKSON, BACK TO YOU.

I'VE BEEN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TENANT.

I'VE BEEN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER.

I'VE WORKED IN DOWNTOWN MANAGEMENT FOR 25 YEARS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS WITH CITIES.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THE WORST THING IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS AN EMPTY BUILDING AND AN EMPTY HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.

AND IN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THE WORST THING IS HAVING A LARGE, EMPTY, VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NEXT TO YOUR BUILDING.

AND THE CITY IS OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR 21 YEARS.

IT'S 13 PLUS ACRES.

IT'S 100,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS.

AND IT HAS BEEN UNOCCUPIED FOR 20 YEARS.

I KNOW THERE'S STUFF IN IT.

SO THERE'S SOME OCCUPANCY, BUT NOT BY BUT NOT BY PEOPLE.

SO IN MY VIEW, I JUST I KNOW THAT YOU'RE A REAL ESTATE EXPERT FOR FOR THE REGION, THE KIND OF CENTRAL REGION AROUND THE FARMERS BUILDING. JUST AS A GENERAL PRINCIPLE, HAVING THAT BUILDING OCCUPIED AND VIBRANT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN HAVING IT VACANT FOR 20 YEARS.

IS THAT JUST GENERAL COMMERCIAL PRACTICE AN ASSUMPTION? I MEAN, IT'S A FEELING, AN ASSUMPTION AND A BELIEF THAT I HAVE.

AND I JUST WANT TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT'S GENERALLY HELD THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY.

I DON'T HAVE QUANTITATIVE DATA, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

HAVING AN EMPTY BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OR AT THE ENTRANCE OF YOUR COMMERCIAL PART IS NOT THE BEST USE OF THE ASSET.

I WOULD EVEN TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND SAY THAT WHILE WE'RE NOT USING IT TO ITS MAXIMUM POTENTIAL, IT'S ALSO NOT ON THE TAX ROLL THAT IT COULD OTHERWISE BE.

AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DOUBLE NEGATIVE THERE.

BUT YES. GENERALLY.

AND IT'S BEEN AGAIN, IT'S A KIND OF A PRACTITIONER IN THE INDUSTRY.

I'VE LOOKED AT IT AND AGAIN AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER AND A COMMERCIAL TENANT.

I LOVE THE CITY, I LOVE OUR STAFF.

I LOVE EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN THE BEST LANDLORD THERE FOR 21 YEARS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TO CLEAN THAT UP.

AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HELD IT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS KIND OF CATCH 22 ISSUE WITH THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT AND WILL WE USE IT EVENTUALLY AS A CITY HALL. BUT I THINK THAT THE BENEFITS OF THE COMMUNITY OF DEALING WITH THAT AND DOING SOMETHING THERE THAT IS BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BETTER FOR THE KIND OF THE CENTRAL AREA IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR TO CONSIDER.

SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA.

YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT AND ALL THE INFORMATION.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS THIS QUESTION OF WHERE TO PUT A NEW CITY HALL AND WHAT IT SHOULD INCLUDE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, AS MY COLLEAGUE JUST SHARED.

AND IT WAS THE PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL IN 2016.

SO SOMETIME AGO BEFORE THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL WAS HERE.

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BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN MAKING OUR DECISION AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN IT CHANGE.

RIGHT. SO I'M WONDERING A BIT MORE IF YOU COULD TELL US A BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WAS COLLECTED IN 2019.

I, I READ THROUGH THE, THE STAFF REPORT.

THERE WERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF PIE CHARTS AND MAPS AND KEYWORDS THAT WERE PULLED OUT, THINGS THAT WE HEARD TODAY LIKE CONNECTIVITY AND SENSE OF PLACE, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD KIND OF SUMMARIZE AT A HIGHER LEVEL A BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED AND THE PREFERENCES OF THE COMMUNITY. YEAH.

LET ME LET ME START.

AND THEN CURTIS WILL PROVIDE SOME DETAIL.

WE'VE DONE TWO EFFORTS AT COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN 2018, WHICH WE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL IN 2019.

AND THEN TONIGHT WE'RE PRESENTING THE RESULTS OF THE LATEST ROUND OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH WAS DONE VIRTUALLY BECAUSE OF COVID.

AND IT IS QUALITATIVE DATA, NOT QUANTITATIVE DATA.

RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT A STATISTICALLY ACCURATE SURVEY.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT FIRST.

AND THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO INVITE TINA RAY TO COME UP BECAUSE TINA WAS THE ONE WHO ENDED UP CONDUCTING THE ENGAGEMENT SURVEYS.

MS.. RAY. YES.

YES. SO JUST TO ELABORATE ON MR. BARBARO'S COMMENTS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU SUMMARIZED SORT OF THE HOW IN TERMS OF THE WHAT.

AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN FROM THE REPORT, IT RANGED QUITE A BIT.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO FEEL VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT THIS LOCATION AND THE HISTORY.

AND FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, WE ALSO HEARD FROM QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION MAKES SENSE FOR REASONS THAT ALSO WOULD BE LOGICAL IF YOU WOULD LISTEN TO THEM.

SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC.

IT'S WE HAD A GOOD PARTICIPATION.

BUT IN TERMS OF HELPING YOU AS A DECISION MAKER, I THINK THAT WE HAVE SPLIT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE OPINIONS KIND OF ON REALLY THE MAIN SITES THAT KIND OF BUBBLED UP WAS THIS SITE AND THE FARMERS SITE AND FARMERS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF LOCATION, THIS ONE PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE THE CHARACTER AND THE HISTORY AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SYNERGISTIC USES.

SO THAT'S HOW I WOULD SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'VE HEARD.

GREAT. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO SUSS THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, THE THE BIGGEST THEME FOR THE SOUTHERN SITES WAS THEIR LOCATION IN TERMS OF CENTRALITY FOR THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY.

AS YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR.

SO I'M LISTENING VERY CAREFULLY TO MY RESIDENTS AND IN MY AREA.

AND I KNOW THAT OVER HALF THE CITY LIVES BENEATH PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD.

SO REALLY JUST TRYING TO THINK THAT WAS THE CENTRAL THAT WAS THE KEY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF THE SURVEY.

YOU KNOW, AS I RECALL, THE THE VALUE BEHIND THAT WAS IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEREVER IT IS IS VERY EASY TO GET TO.

SO THAT WAS SORT OF THE REASON.

AND WHEN LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THE FARMERS SITE DID JUST WITH THIS CONVENIENT SAMPLE, RIGHT? NOT SCIENTIFIC, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT MET THAT CRITERIA BETTER BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND I I'M WONDERING THEN THE PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITIZENS IN THE IN THE SURVEY, WHAT WAS THE DISTRIBUTION? I KNOW THERE WAS A CHART IN THERE THAT THAT INCLUDED ZIP CODES.

SO ARE WE SEEING DID MORE RESIDENTS FROM THE VILLAGE AND THE OLDER PARTS OF CARLSBAD OR MORE FROM THE SOUTHERN HALF, OR WAS IT EVENLY SPLIT? CAN YOU SHARE? YOU KNOW, I WOULD I WOULD NEED TO JUST REFER TO IT TO SAY FOR SURE.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE DO SEE SLIGHTLY MORE PARTICIPATION ACROSS THE BOARD FROM 9 TO 0 ZERO EIGHT ZIP CODE ACROSS ALL SURVEYS.

AND I RECALL THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.

BUT I WOULD WANT TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND LOOK AND PERHAPS FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

THAT'S CORRECT. 492008 43% OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE FROM THAT ZIP CODE.

YEAH, GREAT.

THANK YOU. SO AS I'M LOOKING, I'M REALLY TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WILL USE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND IS SEEKING.

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I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT FOUR THAT THIS LOCATION, THE CURRENT LOCATION, IS SO FAR NORTH, BUT IT'S IT'S HISTORIC.

AND PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THE CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT.

THE FARADAY LOCATION IS ONE OF THE TWO MORE CENTRAL LOCATIONS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE OFFICES.

SO IT DOES SEEM THAT HAVING KIND OF MAINTAINING THE TWO LOCATIONS DOES KIND OF SATISFY THAT CENTRALITY FOR SOME OF THOSE.

BUT THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSIT AND ACCESSIBILITY.

IS THERE ACCESSIBILITY TO TO THE FARADAY? BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I GO THERE, I DRIVE THERE.

IS THERE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR IS THERE A BUS STOP NEAR THERE OR AN EASY WAY TO GET THERE? FOR THE PUBLIC? NO.

NOT REALLY, NOT AT THIS TIME.

AND BUT THERE IS HERE.

SO WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO THE CITY HALL TO COME TO MEETINGS, THEY CAN TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT, TRANSIT EASILY.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATION, WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED, IT SEEMS TO TO ME THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW, BUT UPGRADED, MODERNIZED AND MADE LARGER FOR FOR PUBLIC USE, BUT THAT THE KINDS OF FUNCTIONS THAT EACH SITE WOULD HAVE WOULD STAY THE SAME.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO CURRENTLY, COULD YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE WHAT'S IT FAIR TODAY VERSUS WHAT'S IT HERE? YES. SO IN IN THE OPTION THAT WE PRESENTED, THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE AT VERY NOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FEW WHO WILL GO TO THE ORION CENTER ONCE IT'S BUILT, WOULD REMAIN THERE, AND THE EMPLOYEES AND COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WOULD BE AT THIS SITE.

IN ADDITION, THERE WOULD BE EMPLOYEES POSSIBLY, DEPENDING ON THE FINAL OUTCOME THAT WOULD COME FROM PLACES LIKE THE HARDING CENTER OR PARKS ADMIN UPSTAIRS AT THE SENIOR CENTER OR LIBRARY AND CULTURE OR ARTS ADMIN THAT'S AT THE DOVE LIBRARY.

AND BY RELOCATING THOSE FOLKS, IT WOULD FREE UP SPACE AT THOSE FACILITIES FOR THE PRIMARY USE OF HARDING, WHICH IS RECREATION AND THE SENIOR CENTER AND OF COURSE THE DOVE LIBRARY, WHERE SPACE IS AT A PREMIUM.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WHO THE FUNCTIONS WOULD FOLLOW, WHO'S THERE, RIGHT? SO THE FARRADAY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE BASICALLY THE THE PERMIT CENTER DOWNSTAIRS FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUILDING, PLANNING, ENGINEERING, PAYING YOUR WATER BILLS, HR, FINANCE, I.T., PUBLIC WORKS THAT DON'T GO TO THE THE ORION CENTER WOULD BE UPSTAIRS. GREAT.

THANK YOU, MR. ARBORIO. AND BEFORE YOU START, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT THAT IS THE CRUX OF MY QUESTION.

IT'S I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE OUR EMPLOYEES WOULD BE LOCATED, BUT I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PUBLIC LENS.

MY RESIDENTS, MY BUSINESSES, IF THEY NEED A PERMIT, IF THEY NEED TO GO TALK TO SOMEONE AT THE CITY, WHICH ONE ARE THEY GOING TO? IT'S THAT LENS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT, OR LIKE A BUILDING PERMIT OR CONSTRUCTION RELATED.

THEY WOULD BE GOING TO THE FARADAY CENTER.

WE WOULD ON THIS CAMPUS HOUSING, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WOULD STAY HERE.

SECTION EIGHT, HOUSING TEAM, COUNCIL OFFICES, THE CITY MANAGER STAFF, THE ATTORNEYS STAFF, ANY OF THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS WOULD COME HERE AND THEN WE WOULD BE INCLUDING A MUCH LARGER AND MORE MODERN COUNCIL CHAMBERS THAT COULD ALSO FUNCTION AS OTHER MEETING SPACE AS WELL.

THE DESIGN IS NOT IN THE DETAILS NOW, BUT THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO DESIGN COMMUNITY SPACES, WHETHER THAT'S MEETING ROOMS OR COURTYARDS OR OUTDOOR AREAS THAT COULD BE ACTIVATED FOR DIFFERENT CULTURAL ARTS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

HOW WE DESIGN THIS CAMPUS OR ANY CAMPUS WE CHOOSE WOULD PROBABLY BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY THIS CAMPUS WAS DESIGNED BACK IN THE SIXTIES.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD, MR. JACKSON? I THINK GARY KIND OF HIT IT.

BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING AS AN EXAMPLE, JUST AROUND THE CORNER, WE HAVE A VACANT LOT THAT WE'VE HAD ZERO PLANNING ON BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THERE.

IT'S THE SAME WITH THE FARMERS.

SO THE LONGER THAT WE DON'T HAVE DECISIONS, THOSE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT CAN GET ACTIVATED AS WELL AS 35,000 SQUARE FOOT LIBRARY.

THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN THAN IT IS TODAY.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND AND I DEFINITELY WAS TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD AND NOT HAVING THE QUESTION BE LINGERING AND BEING DECISIVE AND AND LOOKING TOWARDS MAKING SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS FOR THOSE VERY REASONS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WASTEFUL IN TERMS OF HAVING EMPTY SPACE THAT IS NOT BEING UTILIZED.

SO I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT.

THE LAST PART WAS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY USE AND THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNITIES AND THE LIBRARY.

AND JUST IF YOU COULD SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION IS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE LIBRARY.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT FOR OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WE WILL NEED ADDITIONAL LIBRARY SPACE.

AND THE PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THE LIBRARY WOULD BE REBUILT AND EXPANDED TO MEET THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE PER 1000 POPULATION FACILITY STANDARD.

THAT'S IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

WHEN WE DID IN 2016, WE REMODELED COAL AND DOVE LIBRARY AND WITH COLE WE TOLD THE COUNCIL AND THE PLAN WAS THAT THAT WAS A REMODEL THAT WOULD BE SERVE US FOR THE NEXT TEN, MAYBE 15 YEARS AND GIVE US THE THE WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO PLAN AND DEVELOP, PUT TOGETHER THE PLAN AND THEN DEVELOP A CONSTRUCT.

THE ENLARGED COLE LIBRARY.

WHAT IT WOULD INCLUDE IS STILL LEFT UP IN THE AIR.

WE DID PROVIDE A CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE OF WHAT 35,000 SQUARE FOOT WOULD WOULD BE IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND THAT'S IN THE 22 TO $26 MILLION RANGE FOR THE BUILDING THE LARGER.

I'M SORRY, I MAY HAVE MISSED THE LAST.

THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION, COMMUNITY SPACE.

YEAH. WE'RE NOT DESIGNING WHAT THIS BUILDING OR WHAT THE CAMPUS LAYOUT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

JUST TRYING TO ESTIMATE THE REVENUE SOURCE, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

OUR SPACE NEEDS NOW POST COVID.

BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HOW THIS CAMPUS WAS DESIGNED IN THE SIXTIES IS GOING TO BE, I WOULD IMAGINE, SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE WHEN WE FINALLY DO DESIGN A NEW BUILDING IF WE CHOOSE THIS SITE FOR CITY HALL AND A REBUILD OF THE LIBRARY.

THE OTHER OUTSTANDING THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS WITH THE 35,000 SQUARE FOOT LIBRARY AND A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT NEW CITY HALL BUILDING AND PARKING IN A STRUCTURE, THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN ISH ACRES LEFT OVER A VACANT LAND ON THIS CAMPUS THAT WE OWN ALREADY THAT COULD BE PROGRAMED FOR ADDITIONAL CIVIC TYPE USES.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.

THE COMMUNITY HASN'T NECESSARILY TOLD THOSE TOLD US WHAT THOSE ARE.

ONE IDEA THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUT THERE IS SOME KIND OF CULTURAL ARTS FACILITY, BUT THAT'S NOT FUNDED.

BUT IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT ELSE COULD GO THERE TO CREATE A LOT OF SYNERGY AND GATHERING AND DESIGN WHERE YOU MAY HAVE OCEAN VIEWS.

THE BUILDINGS MAY SHIELD THE NOISE FROM FROM THE I-5, AND YOU COULD HAVE PERFORMANCES ON THE CULTURAL SIDE, OUTSIDE OR INDOORS IN A FACILITY.

IT COULD TURN THIS CAMPUS INTO AN ASSET, A BIG ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY.

NOT THAT IT ISN'T NOW, BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

GREAT. YOU. IN ADDITION, THE ONE OTHER POINT IS THE REPORTS THAT WE DID IN THE COST ESTIMATES, THE COLE LIBRARY REMODEL CAN ONLY OCCUR AT TWO OF THE LOCATIONS AT THIS LOCATION AND AT THE PINE AVENUE PARK LOCATION.

IF WE WERE TO SELECT THE FARMERS PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE TOO FAR SOUTH AND TOO CLOSE TO THE DOVE LIBRARY, WHICH WOULD SORT OF LEAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OF WHERE WE LOCATE THE LIBRARY.

IF WE DON'T SELECT THIS LOCATION OR SELECT THE LOCATION IN THE IN THE NORTH END OR WHAT OTHER CIVIC USES WOULD GO AT THE FARMERS SITE, FOR EXAMPLE.

DECISIONS, RIGHT.

SOME OF THIS YOU ALSO NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THE REVENUE ESTIMATES AND THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES THAT UP TO $133 MILLION INCLUDES US AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD WHAT WE WOULD YIELD FROM SELLING THE FARMERS SITE.

IF WE DON'T IF WE GO ON THE FARMERS SITE, WE'RE NOT SELLING THE FARMERS SITE.

AND SO WE HAVE MUCH LESS REVENUE.

SO DO WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE COMING IN ABSENT SELLING THE FARMERS SITE TO BUILD A CITY HALL AND PUT EVERYBODY IN CITY HALL AT

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THANK YOU. JUST TO RECAP THAT KIND OF OUR LAST CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW, JUST SO I'M VERY, VERY CLEAR, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO LOOK AT THIS HYBRID OPTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE A REMODELED, BIGGER EXPANDED CITY HALL COMPLEX HERE WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND ALSO REMODELED FARRADAY SITE.

BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE RECOMMENDATION ON THE LIBRARY AT THIS TIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE WE DID.

LET ME LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

A COMPLICATED ONE. A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE.

FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD ENTAIL A NEW CITY HALL BUILDING TEARING DOWN WHAT WE HAVE HERE, BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL BUILDING DESIGN STILL TO BE DETERMINED, RIGHT.

IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE NEW ENLARGED COLE COLE LIBRARY.

WE DID A LAYOUT, CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN LAYOUT OF SHOWING HOW A ONE STORY OR TWO STORY CITY HALL AT 40,000 SQUARE FEET, PLUS THE PARKING FOR CITY HALL AND THE LIBRARY, PLUS THE LIBRARY.

AND THEN HOW MUCH LAND IS LEFT OVER.

AND THAT'S THAT'S SEVEN ACRES.

THEY ALL CAN FIT ON THIS CAMPUS FOR SURE THAT WE KNOW.

OBVIOUSLY, THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WE DID WAS JUST FOR PLANNING ANALYSIS.

IT'S NOT AN INDICATION OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN THE.

THE FARADAY BUILDING IS.

LET'S SEE. I THINK IT WAS BUILT IN 2001 AND WE ACQUIRED IT IN 2002 ISH TIME FRAME.

AND SO IT'S NOT THAT OLD.

IT'S STILL HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL FOR US.

WE'VE DONE SOME REMODELING THERE AND SPACE PLANNING ADJUSTMENTS ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND SO IT'S GOT A LIFE LEFT TO IT THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.

SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, SO THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR SOME REMODELING BUT NOT SIGNIFICANTLY AT CLARIFY LIKE TO MAKE IT SOUND BITE SIZE THE FARADAY ONE IT'S A REMODEL MAYBE SOME SOME SMALL CHANGES MOSTLY THE SAME USE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE SAME STAFFING THAT'S THERE.

BUT HERE AT THIS SITE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A TEARDOWN AND REBUILD OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE USEFUL IN TODAY'S WORLD FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE STAFF.

YES, CORRECT.

AND THE OTHER ONE LAST POINT I WOULD SAY IS OUR BUDGET ESTIMATE OF 50 TO $60 MILLION FOR THE NEW CITY HALL DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY COSTS TO DO ANY WORK AT FARADAY. THAT IS HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR MY QUESTION.

AND THAT'S THAT'S FOR THE CITY HALL BUILDING.

50 TO 60 MILLION DOES NOT ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COLE LIBRARY.

DR.. YES.

THANK YOU. I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ASKED BY MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I DO HAVE A FEW CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

SO FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, THE FARMER'S PROPERTY, AND THIS IS JUST FOR CLARITY, CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE CITY HALL, FOR CITY HALL PURPOSES. AND IF IT'S NOT USED FOR THAT, IT DOES NEED TO BE SOLD.

AND THEN THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD ACQUIRE FROM THAT WOULD GO BACK INTO THE CFD ONE.

CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT.

AND WE HAVE ABOUT $131 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR THE CITY HALL FROM THE CFD ONE.

WE ESTIMATED REVENUE SOURCES FROM CFD NUMBER ONE AND DISPOSITION OF CERTAIN REAL ESTATE OF UP TO $133 MILLION.

BUT DEPENDING ON THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE OF WHERE CITY HALL GOES, THAT NUMBER WOULD COULD COULD GO DOWN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE CHOOSE THE FARMERS SITE FOR CITY HALL, WE'RE NOT SELLING THE FARMERS SITE.

THEREFORE, THE REVENUE FROM THAT SALE, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THAT 100 UP TO $133 MILLION, WOULD GO DOWN.

SOUNDS. SOUNDS GOOD.

AND I KNOW. SO SIMILARLY, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBILITY.

HOW DO WE MAKE IT SO IT'S CENTRAL? BECAUSE I, TOO, AM IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF CARLSBAD.

AND SO I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AND IT SOUNDED LIKE YOUR WHEN YOU ALL ANSWERED THE QUESTION WHEN MY COLLEAGUE ASKED IT.

THE USE AT FARRADAY WOULD STAY THE SAME.

BUT MY QUESTION AND I'M GOING TO ASK IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY PERHAPS, IS THAT LET'S JUST SAY IF WE DID DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS HYBRID OPTION AND OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PARTICULAR HYBRID OPTION, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS REMODEL OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE, NO COST ASSOCIATED WITH FARADAY.

HOWEVER, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CENTRAL CITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACE OF A SENSE OF BELONGING AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO THINGS IN IN PARTS OF YOUR

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OBVIOUSLY WE DO HOLD WORKSHOPS THERE, BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING MORE OF THAT FLEXIBILITY AND VERSATILITY. BUT JUST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE OF LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVING THAT SENSE OF BELONGING AND CENTRALITY, WERE THERE THOUGHTS ABOUT INCORPORATING SOME OF THOSE SPACES THERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE WOULD HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF FUNDING AND POTENTIAL? YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A COUPLE MILLION, IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE MAYBE OPEN SPACES THERE OR SOMETHING THAT FOLKS WOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY? I GUESS I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT NOT LIKELY.

THE WAY THAT BUILDING IS CONFIGURED RIGHT NOW.

AND THE PARKING THE PARKING ISN'T IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, AND THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY UNDEVELOPED EXTERIOR SPACE.

WE DO HAVE THE COMMUNITY ROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY 173 A AND B, THERE'S A SMALL LOBBY AREA.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT.

SO POSSIBLE AND ON SMALL SCALE, BUT NOT LIKELY ON A LARGE SCALE.

OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE PROPERTY OWNER NEXT DOOR IS NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING.

SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OBVIOUSLY EVEN THINK ABOUT EXPANDING TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD ASK IT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS AROUND THE CENTRALITY FOR THE SOUTH.

SO JUST WAS CURIOUS IN TERMS OF ANY OTHER USES, HOW COULD WE INCORPORATE THAT AT LEAST INTO A SPACE THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIKE A CITY HALL, BUT IT COULD BE A CITY FACILITY THAT FOLKS WOULD, OF COURSE ENJOY BESIDES JUST, OF COURSE, THE THE CITY LIBRARY.

AND THEN FOR THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SORT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK FOR THIS PARTICULAR HYBRID OPTION.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE RECEIVED IT FOR THE OTHER FOUR, BUT FOR THIS SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY BESIDES TONIGHT FOR FOLKS TO REALLY WEIGH IN ON THAT.

NOT DIRECTLY, RIGHT, SO WE DID GET FEEDBACK ON THIS SITE FOR THE COMPLETE CITY HALL AND WE GOT FEEDBACK ON THE FARADAY SITE FOR THE COMPLETE CITY HALL, BUT NOT FOR THE COMBO OPTION.

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WE DID ALSO NOTIFY EVERYONE WHO HAS PARTICIPATED UP TO THIS DATE THAT THIS NEW OPTION WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TONIGHT AND THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT. SO WE DID DO THAT.

GREAT. YEAH.

AND I HAVE I HAVE COMMENTS, BUT THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW, THANKS.

MR. BLACKBURN. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU TO REVIEW A COUPLE OF THOSE NUMBERS ONE MORE TIME.

IF WE DON'T USE THE FARADAY BUILDING.

WHAT APPROXIMATELY WOULD THAT SELL FOR THAT WE COULD USE THAT MONEY FOR A DIFFERENT LOCATION? DID I HEAR 40 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S THE FARMERS PROPERTY.

WHAT DID I SAY, FARADAY? I'M SO SORRY, I MEANT FARMER'S.

SO ABOUT 40 MILLION FOR FARMERS.

IF IF WE DID USE FARMERS, THEN IT WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH TO HOUSE ALL OF OUR NEEDS.

HOW MUCH WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SELL THE FARADAY BUILDING FOR? IN 2017, WE ESTIMATED THAT WE COULD SELL THE FARADAY ADMIN CENTER BETWEEN FOUR AND $6.7 MILLION.

WE THINK THAT IT COULD BE UP TO 5 MILLION MORE, SO POSSIBLY BETWEEN NINE AND 11.7.

OKAY. AND IF WE DID BUILD AT THE FARADAY AGAIN, I'M SORRY, THE FARMERS BUILDING IS THEIR REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITIES FROM THIS CURRENT LOCATION.

SO INTERESTINGLY, POTENTIALLY US, WE DID NOT ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY IN THE FIFTIES WITH CFD NUMBER ONE.

CFD NUMBER ONE IS IS THE MECHANISM THAT RESTRICTS DOING WHAT MAYBE SAN MARCOS IS DOING WHERE THEY LEASE OUT PORTIONS OF THEIR BUILDING.

THE WAY THAT THE CFD WORKS IS YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

YOU CAN THEORETICALLY BUILD SLIGHTLY LARGER AND LEASE OUT SPACE THAT YOU'RE NOT USING FOR A SHORT TERM PERIOD, BUT IT CAN'T BE FOR THAT REVENUE GENERATING PURPOSE.

SO IF WE DIDN'T SELECT THIS LOCATION, THIS WOULD HAVE, THIS SITE WOULD HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS.

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WE CAN LEASE IT OUT. WE COULD DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH IT.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

AS THE SAME WITH THE FARADAY BUILDING, IT WAS ACQUIRED WITH PUBLIC FACILITY FEE FUNDS, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS AS THE CFD.

WE COULD LEASE THAT BUILDING FOR REVENUE OR WE COULD SELL IT FOR ONE TIME REVENUE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. JUST ONE QUESTION.

WHAT'S IT COST TO TEAR DOWN 130,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING? WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT SINCE 2017, BUT IN 2017, IT WAS BETWEEN 12 AND $14 MILLION TO RENOVATE IT.

AND I BELIEVE THE DEMO COST WAS UP TO $2 MILLION.

WHAT WOULD YOU RENOVATE? THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING, BUT THAT'S WE DID GET, YOU KNOW, A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO RENOVATE THE FARMERS BUILDING TO MAKE IT USEFUL.

SUCH AS THE ELEVATORS DON'T WORK, THERE'S BEEN HOLES CUT INTO WALLS FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR STORAGE.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DATED ISSUES.

SO WHEN WE DID THE STUDIES, WHEN WE PURCHASED THAT BUILDING.

IT WAS A TEARDOWN.

THE WAY THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED, YOU CAN'T REMODEL IT.

SO YOU MIGHT REDO THE ELEVATORS, BUT YOU CAN'T REMODEL IT.

I MEAN, THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED ORIGINALLY, IT'S YOU CAN'T DO IT.

IT WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE AT ALL.

BUT WE DID GET A NUMBER JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE.

SO, YES, ALL OF OUR PROJECTIONS ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS ANTICIPATE DEMOING THE FARMERS BUILDING AND BUILDING NEW THERE THE TWO BUILDINGS.

YEAH BECAUSE I MEAN THOSE FLOORS I FORGET WHAT THEY ARE THEY'RE WHAT, 40 SOME THOUSAND SQUARE FEET EACH FLOOR.

AND THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T PUT STRUCTURES ON THE FLOOR.

IT'S GOING TO BE WIDE OPEN SPACE.

SO YOU'RE LITERALLY IN A BUILDING THAT'S GOT NO WALLS ON THE INSIDE.

SO. SO THERE IS IT COMES DOWN AND YOU START OVER ON THAT ONE.

WE DID NOT RE-ESTIMATE THE DEMOLITION COSTS, THOUGH, FROM 2017 TO 2022.

SO IN 2017, AS CURTIS SAID, IT WAS IN THE 1 TO $2 MILLION RANGE.

THE OTHER THING IT WAS TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT NEW CITY HALL.

IT WAS, I THINK THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THE CONVERSATION WAS MARY CASLER.

AND WE WERE STUDYING REDEVELOPMENT IN THE VILLAGE.

AND THIS SITE WAS TO BE THE CATALYST FOR HOPING TO GET THE VILLAGE IN THE THE BUSINESSES IN THE VILLAGE UP AND RUNNING.

SO THAT'S HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS SITE AND THE ENERGY IT WOULD BRING TO NORMAL TO THIS AREA.

SO THAT'S BEEN A DAY OR TWO, ALMOST 40 PLUS YEARS.

SO THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK AND I LISTENED VERY CLOSELY TO MY COLLEAGUES WAS THE FAIRNESS QUESTION IS A HUGE QUESTION.

SO WHEN YOU THINK OF FAIRNESS TONIGHT, WE'RE THINKING OF THIS LOCATION.

WHEN YOU THINK OF THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT, IT'S THE ONLY PART OF THE CITY THAT REALLY HAS TWO QUADRANT PARKS.

IT HAS A SWIM COMPLEX SECOND TO NONE.

IT HAS A WHOLE HOST OF BENEFITS THAT I THINK THE RESIDENTS REALLY ENJOY.

WHERE THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT DOESN'T HAVE A QUADRANT PARK.

IT HAS PINE PARK AND A COUPLE OF SMALL PARKS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A QUADRANT FACILITY.

SO WHEN WE LAID THE CITY OUT, WE DID THE BEST THAT WE COULD WITH THE DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN THE CITY, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALL WOULD BE A FAMILY AND WE'D ALL USE THE GREATER PART OF THE CITY WHERE WE COULD GET THE MOST BENEFIT OUT OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I PERSONALLY ALWAYS WANTED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHERE EVERYBODY WOULD BE TOGETHER.

BUT THE WORLD'S CHANGED, TIMES CHANGE AND I UNDERSTAND NEW TECHNOLOGY AND I FOR ONE, USE NEW TECHNOLOGY ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I CAN'T SPELL TECHNOLOGY, BUT YET I USE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY WHAT WOULD IT'S LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO TO WHAT IT IS TODAY? I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY CORE FUNCTIONS THAT I THINK MOST OF US USE THAT WE'RE USING ON A DAILY BASIS BUSINESS PERMITS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

THE FACT THAT THAT'S LOCATED AND IT'S GOING TO STAY AT FARADAY, I THINK THAT MAKES HONESTLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

IT'S IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED.

THE OTHER IS IS I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK OF OPTIONS GOING FORWARD AND WANTING TO DO SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, THE FACT THAT THE LOCATION

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SO I CAN SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THINK YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON IT.

SO WITH THAT, MR. BLACKBURN.

FIRST LET ME TELL YOU, I'M NOT MARRIED TO ANY OF THE IDEAS.

I THINK THAT THEY ALL HAVE PROS AND CONS TO THEM.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, BUT I WILL SHARE SOME OBSERVATIONS.

FIRST, I'M GOING TO BRING BACK MIKE SCHUMACHER WHEN HE WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, SOMETHING THAT HE SAID WAS VERY HE THOUGHT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THE ENTIRE CITY FAMILY BE UNDER ONE ROOF, THAT WE DON'T SEPARATE CITY HALL FROM FROM THE FARADAY SERVICES.

MY THOUGHT IS, WHATEVER WE DO, I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO PIECEMEAL IT.

AND BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DO IS GOING TO BE FOR THREE PLUS GENERATIONS, IT'S GOING TO OUTLIVE US BY QUITE A FEW YEARS.

WHATEVER WE DO.

I HEAR FROM A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, HAVE A CIVIC CENTER, HAVE THEY SEE IT IN OTHER CITIES, THEY SEE IT IN LIKE ESCONDIDO AND OTHER CITIES NEARBY. AND THEY SAY IF THEY CAN DO IT, WE WANT TO WE WANT IT AS WELL.

I'D LIKE TO ONE OF THE REASONS I THOUGHT FARMERS WAS A GOOD LOCATION AND THEN THIS IS JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE I LIVE.

I LIVE IN THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY.

SO OF COURSE I HEAR PEOPLE MORE TELLING ME WE'D LIKE TO SEE A CIVIC CENTER AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT CENTRALLY LOCATED, NOT AT THE FAR EXTREME NORTH END, BECAUSE WE'RE PART OF THE CITY, TOO, AND WE'RE WE LIVE, AND IT DRIVES ME NUTS.

WE LIVE IN THE CARLSBAD ENCINITAS AREA.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, NO, YOU DON'T, YOU LIVE IN CARLSBAD.

SO THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.

LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK I'M MARRIED TO ONE IDEA.

IT'S JUST A LOT OF CONSIDERATION AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER ANSWER IS, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS.

SURE, THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME.

IT PREDATES MYSELF.

BUT THEN ALSO AT THE SAME TIME AS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN AT LEAST A FEW TIMES BEFORE, YOU KNOW MYSELF AS WELL, FROM CONSIDERING THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE SOME ACTION ON THIS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN SUCH A LONG TIME, I DO THINK WE NEED TO FIND HOPEFULLY CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

OUR COMMUNITY'S BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME.

CONSTRUCTION COSTS LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND COSTS IN GENERAL ARE CONTINUING TO RISE.

AND IF WE WANT TO BE AS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AS WE CAN BE, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, AT THE SAME TIME THINKING OF WAYS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE MORE CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND MORE COMMUNITY GATHERING IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A SENSE OF COMMUNITY WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS AREA, WHETHER IT'S A CIVIC CENTER OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT? BUT YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT CIVIC CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND DEFINITELY WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND IN THAT PARTICULAR SENSE.

WE CAN I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT WITH WHATEVER SPACE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH.

HOWEVER, JUST THIS HYBRID OPTION TO ME, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, AT FIRST I WAS LIKE, THIS IS INTERESTING.

THIS MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY ANSWER THE YOU KNOW THE CENTRALITY QUESTION, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PIECES.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY AND WITH REGARDS TO THE DIFFERENT SERVICES WE PROVIDE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, I DO THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR HYBRID OPTION, NOT ONLY WITH REGARDS TO COST, BUT ALSO WITH WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS WITH THE ALREADY EXISTING YOU KNOW PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE, IS IT'S VERY INTERESTING, I THINK JUST THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT WALKABILITY, THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDING IN UH YOU KNOW OTHER USES SO THAT PEOPLE COULD COME HERE AND GATHER HERE IS GREAT.

THE ACCESSIBILITY PORTION WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION AND HAVING THE ABILITY FOR FOLKS TO UTILIZE THIS SPACE IN A WAY THAT WE'RE ENVISIONING NOT ONLY FROM A CITY HALL AND CITY CIVIC CENTER PERSPECTIVE, BUT JUST HAVING THE ABILITY FOR THOSE PARTICULAR OPTIONS, I THINK IS GREAT.

AND THEN FROM AN ECONOMIC SECTOR PERSPECTIVE, JUST THAT ECONOMIC DRIVER AND ALLOWING FOR OUR BUSINESSES HERE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S THE PART FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

BUT AS TOURISTS COME IN TOO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DEFINITELY THE AREA THAT FOLKS SEE THE MOST, RIGHT? THIS IS THE AREA THAT FOLKS ARE HANGING OUT, THEY'RE PLAYING, THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY.

SO JUST THAT PRIDE AND BEING ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS OUR CITY HALL, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO APPROVE.

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I MEAN, I'M EXCITED TO SEE IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME SUSTAINABLE FEATURES INTO IT, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THINGS INTO IT.

THERE ARE DEFINITELY A LOT OF THINGS THAT I THINK CAN BE BORROWED FROM OTHER AREAS, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN ALSO BE DIFFERENT IN SOME PARTICULAR REGARD.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

I DO THINK IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD.

I THINK THAT BEING ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY WITH REGARDS TO THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN THIS PARTICULAR REGARD, SURE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE SPENDING, BUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAD ALLOCATED DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY USED AND THAT CAN THEN BE USED, FOR INSTANCE, FOR VETERANS PARK OR THE OTHER THREE ITEMS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED.

BUT I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT ESPECIALLY VETERANS AND COLE LIBRARY.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A WHILE AS WELL.

SO IT WOULD BE AMAZING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE IF I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I AS I STARTED OUT WITH MY QUESTIONS, I TALKED A BIT ABOUT THIS BEING A LINGERING ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME.

AND I WANT TO SEE PROGRESS.

I WANT TO SEE MOVEMENT.

AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE I HEAR A LOT FROM FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE MOVEMENT ON THIS.

AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD ASKED WERE ANSWERED TONIGHT WITH REGARD TO THE MONEY AND WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, WHY, WHY WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SPEND A CERTAIN KIND OF MONEY ON THIS AND LIQUIDATE SOME OF OUR OTHER ASSETS.

SO I THINK WE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THE OTHER BIG ONE IS THE ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT, AND THAT'S THE FAIRNESS QUESTION IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY FROM ALL PARTS OF THE CITY.

AND JUST A REMINDER, THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE CITY, THAT'S DISTRICT FOUR AND THAT'S WHAT I REPRESENT, ALL THE ENCINITAS BORDER.

I HEAR A LOT FROM RESIDENTS THAT THEY DON'T FEEL CONNECTED.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW OTHER OTHERS KNOW.

SO WE BRING THEM IN.

I KNOW IT'S A THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT DOES A WONDERFUL JOB CONSTANTLY BRINGING IN THE RESIDENTS FROM SOUTH CARLSBAD AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY FEEL ENGAGED.

I THINK THAT IN MAKING THIS DECISION TO LOOK AT THAT HYBRID OPTION AND EVEN JUST THE FOUR SITES THAT WE'RE EVEN CONSIDERING, THEY'RE NOT IN THE SOUTH. THE TWO OF THEM ARE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE AND TWO ARE IN THE VERY NORTH.

SO JUST EVEN LOOKING AT THESE OPTIONS, I KNOW COMING IN AS A DISTRICT ELECTED, ELECTED OFFICIAL, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T THESE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MY FOUR INITIAL ONES IF THIS HAD COME TO ME AND I HAD BEEN PART OF THAT INITIAL COUNCIL THAT CAME UP WITH THESE.

BUT WE'VE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THESE SITES, WE OWN THESE SITES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND WE'VE DETERMINED THAT FOR COST REASONS, FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY AND OTHER REASONS, THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION OF THE HYBRID WITH FARADAY AND THE CURRENT SITE HERE, THOSE ARE THE BEST ONES.

AND I DO WANT TO UNDERSCORE THE CONNECTIVITY WITH REGARD TO ACCESSIBILITY, WALKABILITY, CONNECTION TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THE ECONOMIC DRIVER ELEMENT THAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST BROUGHT UP, LESS SPREAD OUT.

IT'S CLOSER TO OTHER AMENITIES AND PUBLIC TRANSIT THAN THE SOUTHERN SITES.

I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT FOR SUSTAINABILITY REASONS AS WELL, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WALK OR BIKE VERSUS DRIVE TO THEIR CITY HALL.

SO I DO LIKE THE CURRENT SITE.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTH PART OF CARLSBAD, FROM MY AREA, THEY THEY'RE USED TO THIS SITE BEING HERE AND THEY WEREN'T FIGHTING SO MUCH FOR HAVING SOMETHING IN THE SOUTH.

THEY WERE JUST EXPRESSING THEIR OPINION THAT THEY WANTED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS.

SO I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT SITE.

I DO THINK THAT HAVING THE FARADAY BUILDING IS STILL SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT.

AND EVEN FOR THINGS LIKE OUR CITIZENS ACADEMY CLASSES, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, I KNOW I WENT TO BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE I WAS ON THE COUNCIL AT THE FARADAY LOCATION.

SO CONTINUING TO HAVE SOME EVENTS AND SOME COMMUNITY OUTREACH THERE I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND THEN LASTLY, I WANTED TO SHARE I HAD NO IDEA THAT MY COLLEAGUE WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE SUSTAINABILITY ASPECT WITH REGARD TO THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.

AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT THERE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING QUITE YET ABOUT THOSE.

BUT I DO REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN SOMETHING REALLY INNOVATIVE AND SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CREATIVE.

AND WE DID KIND OF TALK ABOUT MULTI USE AND BEING ABLE TO USE DIFFERENT ROOMS OR BUILDINGS FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES AND HAVING THAT EFFICIENCY BE

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I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER AWARD WINNING BUILDINGS LIKE SAGE CREEK HIGH SCHOOL.

I WAS THERE WHEN IT OPENED AND MY DAUGHTER WAS IN THAT VERY FIRST CLASS AND I REMEMBER WHEN IT WON AWARDS FOR ITS DESIGN AND FOR BEING SO EFFICIENT.

SO I THINK THAT WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY A SUPERSTAR IN OUR CITY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT.

SO I WILL ALSO SUPPORT THE HYBRID.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WHEN I WHEN I WAS ON BOARDED AND MY FIRST MEETING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. CHADWICK, AND WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANTED.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE AS A NEW COUNCIL PERSON.

WELCOME TO CARLSBAD. YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION, THE TWO THINGS THAT STAND OUT TO ME IS, ONE IS TO FOR THE NEXT 100 OR 200 YEARS, FIX THE RAILROAD AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, WHICH IS A TRENCH.

LONG TERM, IT'S THE ANSWER.

AND THE OTHER WAS TO END THE DISCUSSION OF CITY HALL.

AND THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 20 YEARS.

IT HAS BEEN AT TIMES DIVISIVE IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I HAD THE, I'LL CALL IT, A GOOD FORTUNE TO WORK IN A COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH THAT HAD A BAD HABIT OF TAKING TEN OR 15 YEARS TO MAKE A DECISION AND KEEPING THE COMMUNITY AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER FOR TEN OR 15 YEARS.

PROJECT WOULD GET BUILT THERE'S THERE'S TEN OF THEM I COULD POINT TO AND THE COMMUNITY GOES THIS IS GREAT.

IT'S AWESOME. WHAT WERE WE ARGUING ABOUT FOR TEN YEARS? AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS THIS ARGUMENT, IF YOU WILL, OR THIS DISCUSSION, THIS COMMUNITY DISCUSSION, GO ON FOR ANOTHER FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS.

SO TO ME, GETTING ON WITH IT AND GETTING OUR COMMUNITY AT REST ON THIS ISSUE, WHICH IS A MAJOR ISSUE.

IT'S THE CITIZENS HALL, IT'S THE PUBLIC HALL.

IT'S OUR MEETING SPACE, OUR CITY HALL.

TO GET THAT ISSUE AT REST IS A REALLY, REALLY PROBABLY MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY NUMBER TWO PRIORITY RAIL IN THAT.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TONIGHT HOPEFULLY.

THE THOUGHT OF YANKING A CITY HALL OUT OF DOWNTOWN AND RELOCATING IT IS SO PROBLEMATIC ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS.

AND AS A HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST, IT'S PROBABLY REMOVING A USE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 70 YEARS AND RELOCATING IT IS JUST THE OPPOSITE OF PRESERVATION OF OUR HISTORY.

BUT THE THOUGHT OF MOVING A FACILITY THAT HOUSES A LOT OF PEOPLE AND PROVIDES A LOT OF SERVICE FROM THE CENTRAL PART OF OUR CITY, MOVING THAT TO THE NORTH AND PUTTING IT ALL HERE AND REMOVING THAT FROM THE SOUTH IS EQUALLY AS BAD.

I MEAN, AND IF THE DECISION POINTS, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED, IT'S KIND OF SPLIT, YOU KNOW, IS TO PUT IT ALL HERE OR PUT IT ALL HERE.

WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS FOR 20 OR 25 YEARS FOR SURE.

AND WHATEVER THE FINAL RESULT WILL BE WILL BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC FOR THIS COMMUNITY, EITHER HERE OR HERE.

AND THAT'S A POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE.

IF THINGS GO WELL WITH A HYBRID OPTION, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 50 OR $60 MILLION TO BUILD A FACILITY HERE.

AND HOPEFULLY TOMORROW, THE DREAMING OF EXCELLENCE CAN START.

AND THE UNLOCKING OF SEVERAL PROPERTIES, INCLUDING HERE, CAN START.

BUT I WOULD NOTE IT STILL LEAVES US 65 OR 70 MILLION.

IF THINGS GO WELL IN OUR FUND, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THINGS.

WE WON'T BUILD A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO COST $50 MILLION MORE THAN WE HAVE OR $25 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RESOURCES AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT WE CAN SPEND ON OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT.

AND I WOULD STRONGLY, YOU KNOW, I ALMOST WISH I'D BE HERE FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS UNFOLD AND GET BUILT AS A CITIZEN.

IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

BUT I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND.

YOU KNOW, I GO BACK TO THE QUADRANT MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD WHEN WE WERE ONE CITY IN THE VARIOUS COUNCIL.

FOUR TIMES A YEAR WE'D GO OUT TO THE QUADRANTS.

I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS CITY LOOK AT A AN ALTERNATIVE CITY HALL, I MEAN, AN ALTERNATIVE MEETING FACILITY FOR CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN OUR COMMISSIONS, SOMEWHERE IN AN EXISTING FACILITY IN THE CENTER PART OR IN THE SOUTH.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO HAVE FOR A LOT OF REASONS, REDUNDANCY NUMBER NUMBER ONE PROBABLY.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

SUSTAINABILITY IS REALLY, REALLY STRONG WITH ME AND HAS BEEN MY WHOLE LIFE.

AND WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT GROWING ANYMORE AND WE'RE NOT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARDER TO BUILD REALLY EXPENSIVE PROJECTS AND TO DO HERE, HERE, HERE.

AND WE HAVE TO GET A LITTLE SMARTER AND A LITTLE CLEVER AND WE HAVE TO USE WHAT WE HAVE.

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AND OUR CITY, WHEREVER IT IS IN THE CITY AND OUR CITIZENS LOVE WHEN WE DO SOMETHING THAT'S AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THAT BUILDING AND WHAT WAS THERE.

AND THIS SITE TO ME AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THE SAME LAND AND THE SAME USE.

AND WE'RE ADAPTING AND REUSING THIS SITE WITH A NEW BUILDING.

BUT IT'S THE SAME CITY HALL AND IT'S THE SAME LAND.

AND I THINK OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO LOVE THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, RATHER THAN A YOU KNOW, I DON'T 180,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS SOMEWHERE, 140,000 SQUARE FOOT.

AND I THINK IT HAND-IN-GLOVE FITS MY DEFINITION OF WHAT SUSTAINABILITY IS.

AND ECHOING SOME OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ABOUT ENERGY AND YOU KNOW, BUILDING DESIGN IS GREAT.

THAT'S THE DREAMING PHASE OF OF AN AMAZING BUILDING.

I CAN'T WAIT TILL WE GET THERE.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO CONCLUDE MY REMARKS.

BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YANKING CITY HALL AWAY FROM HERE OR YANKING THE FARADAY BUILDING AWAY FROM THE CENTER IS NOT A GOOD SOLUTION. AND I THINK THAT STAFF HAS HIT UPON A HYBRID SOLUTION.

THAT'S EXCELLENT. IT'S EFFICIENT.

IT SAVES US 50, $75 MILLION.

WE CAN GET IT BUILT. WE HAVE REVENUE TO DO OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO, WHETHER IT'S A LIBRARY OR ORION OR WHEREVER WE DO.

AND JUST CONGRATULATIONS TO THE THINKING THAT WENT ON TO BRING THIS TO ME, AND I CAN SUPPORT THE HYBRID OPTION.

MR. BLACKBURN DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION OR SHOULD DR.

BHAT-PATEL? I CAN MAKE THE MOTION.

MOVE STAFF'S HYBRID PROPOSAL.

BUT I DID HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO HOUSE US WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE CHANGES? TO BE DETERMINED. OKAY.

JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL, RIGHT? THERE'S THREE OF THEM. YEAH, THERE ARE THREE OF THEM.

SO I DON'T HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF ME.

SO. DR.

BHAT-PATEL, YOU MAKE THE MOTION? SURE. LET ME PULL IT UP.

SO. YOU HAVE, OKAY.

YOU'RE BRINGING IT UP AS WELL.

I WAS ON MY NOTES..

COMING OUT OF THE SCREEN. WE'RE PULL UP A SLIDE.

SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE ALL THREE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY? YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. PLEASE VOTE.

AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM TEN, TRAFFIC MOBILITY COMMISSION WORK PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR.

[10. TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION WORK PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-23]

AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND MOBILITY MANAGER NATHAN SCHMIDT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS NATHAN SCHMIDT.

I'M THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND MOBILITY MANAGER, AND I'M ALSO THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION WORKPLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-23.

SO FOR THE PRESENTATION, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE BACKGROUND, THE POLICIES, THE GUIDELINES THAT GUIDE THE COMMISSION'S WORK PLAN.

AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO DETAIL ON EACH OF THE THREE MAIN GOALS FOR THE COMMISSION'S WORK PLAN.

SO FIRST FOR THE BACKGROUND, THE COMMISSION'S WORK PLAN IS OUTLINED IN THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, WHICH REQUIRES COMMISSIONS TO HAVE AN ANNUAL WORK PLAN.

THIS IS INTENDED TO INCREASE THE DIALOG BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL, AND ALSO TO ENSURE THAT THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION'S WORKING IN LINE WITH THE COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES.

THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE COMMISSION IS STATED HERE.

IT STATES THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION IS COMMITTED TO ENHANCING SAFE MOBILITY FOR THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS BY USING DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING AND FORWARD LOOKING APPROACH TO TRANSPORTATION.

WE ARE TRANSPARENT AND WE DO THE RIGHT THING THE RIGHT WAY.

SO THE FIRST GOAL OF THE WORKPLAN AND THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE PART OF THE WORKPLAN STATED HERE, IS TO REVIEW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND PROVIDE INPUT ON DATA BEST PRACTICES AND OBTAIN PUBLIC INPUT.

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THERE ARE SEVERAL TOP PRIORITY PROGRAMS IDENTIFIED IN THIS GOAL.

I'LL JUST OUTLINE A FEW OF THOSE KEY ONES HERE.

FIRST IS TO UPDATE THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS GUIDELINES.

SO THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES DEVELOPERS FOLLOW WHEN THEY'RE DOING THEIR LOCAL MOBILITY STUDIES.

THE NEXT IS TO UPDATE THE CITY'S TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, DEVELOP A LOCAL ROADWAY SAFETY PLAN FOR THE CITY, REVIEW THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT OR TDM PROGRAM.

REVIEW THE CITY'S VEHICLES, MILES TRAVELED OR VMT PROGRAM AND TO FURTHER IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CITY'S SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN.

NOW THE SECOND GOAL IS TO FOCUS ON MOBILITY AROUND SCHOOL LOCATIONS, INCLUDING SAFETY.

SO ELEMENTS OF THIS GOAL INCLUDE FIRST REVIEW OF THE MOBILITY AND SAFETY PROJECTS NEAR SCHOOLS AND TO PROACTIVELY ENGAGE IN ALL FOUR OF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE CITY IN SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PLANNING EFFORTS, AND THEN ALSO TO RECEIVE MONTHLY REPORTS FROM THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THE THIRD AND FINAL GOAL IS TO ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY.

SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS TO PROPOSE UPDATES TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND TO ENHANCE PUBLIC OUTPUT RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO MOBILITY ISSUES, AND THEN ALSO WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE VIDEO RECORDINGS AND OF ALL THE MEETINGS OF THE COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S THE WORK PLAN.

THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION WORK PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-23.

AND WE ALSO HAVE CHAIRMAN BRANDON PEREZ FROM THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION TO PROVIDE A FEW REMARKS.

AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE.

HONORABLE MAYOR HALL, COUNCIL MEMBERS BLACKBURN, DR.

BHAT-PATEL, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AND COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY AND CITY MANAGER CHADWICK AND CITY ATTORNEY MCMAHON.

BRANDON PEREZ, CHAIRMAN OF THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION OF CARLSBAD, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE TIME TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE STATE OF THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 22-23 WORK PLAN.

AS MR. SCHMIDT HAS MENTIONED IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION IS TO COMMIT IT TO ENHANCING THE SAFE MOBILITY.

BUT FOR US, THE COMMITMENT TO THE SAFETY OF THE CITY AND TO THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD TO ENHANCE MOBILITY AND TRAFFIC SAFETY MATTERS FOR PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES, VEHICULAR MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, PARKING AND ALSO A BIG ONE.

SCHOOL SAFETY ARE MET.

THE DUTIES FOR A COMMISSION FOR THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION.

AS A COMMISSIONER, AS THE COMMISSION, WE ARE APPOINTED CITY COMMISSIONERS BY THE CITY OF COUNCIL AND HAVE THE DUTIES TO REVIEW STAFF STUDIES AND REPORT AND ADVISE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND A KEY POINT IS TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC FORUM TO REVIEW COMMUNITY INPUT AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REVISIONS OF CITY CODES, PLANS ON MOBILITY AND TRAFFIC SAFETY MATTERS AGAIN FOR PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLES AND VEHICULAR TRANSPORTATION MODES.

FOR ME, I FEEL THAT THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION IS KIND OF THE CONDUIT FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITIZENS, THE STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL. AND WE TAKE GREAT HONOR AND GREAT PRIDE IN SERVING THIS POSITION.

AND FOR THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION AGAIN WE CONSIST OF SEVEN MEMBERS, MYSELF, THE CHAIR FOR THE TRAFFIC MOBILITY COMMISSION, WE HAVE A VICE CHAIR, STEVE LEMKE, SENIOR COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER PANZER, COMMISSIONER FOWLER AND SOME NEWLY APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS, JUST COMMISSIONER COELHO, COMMISSIONER NEWLANDS AND COMMISSIONER PROUIX. AND SO WITH THIS IN THE COMMISSION FOR OUR FY 20 AND 23 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE WORKING ON? WE'RE WORKING ON REVIEWING, ADVISING AND PROVIDING INPUT ON SOME ITEMS AND AS.

MR. SCHMIDT HAS MENTIONED THE FIRST GOAL IS TO REVIEW POLICIES, PROGRAMS AND PROCESSES, INFORMATION REPORTS.

SO THINGS LIKE THE GMP, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, BEFORE AND AFTER STUDIES FOR THE SIGNAL COORDINATION, TRAFFIC IMPACT FEED PROGRAMS AND OTHER REPORTS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION.

WE ALSO REVIEW THE LIST OF THE CIP PROJECTS AS PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION'S DIRECTOR'S BIANNUAL TRANSPORTATION UPDATE, AND I'VE PRESENTED THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND IT'S GREAT TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT THINGS LIKE OUR UPDATE ON EL CAMINO REAL BRIDGE, THE ECR LANE WIDENING, EL CAMINO RAIL LANE WIDENING ADDITION OF BICYCLE LANES, TRAFFIC CALMING FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AND ALSO TO DISCUSSION OF HOPEFULLY EXTENSION OF THE COLLEGE AVENUE AND ALSO FOR THE VALLEY EAST STREET, PEDESTRIAN ADDITION.

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AND ONE THING I WANTED TO FOCUS ON IS OUR S&P, OUR SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN.

THIS IS ONE OF OUR PILLARS AS A COMMISSIONER FOR THIS COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND AND TO PROVIDE INCREASED SAFETY, PROVIDE CONVENIENT OPTIONS FOR THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD, HEALTHIER TRAVEL OPTIONS AND BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW.

AND WHAT THIS MEANS IS SOME EXAMPLES ARE TO IMPROVEMENTS ON BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN AND ADA ITEMS CONNECT, WALKING AND CYCLING AND TRAILS FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE AND ALSO OUR SRT ARE SAFE FOR US TO SCHOOL, ALSO TO INCREASE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND THEN IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURES WITHIN OUR CITY AND ALSO TO TO BUILD UP OUR MOBILITY HUB IN OUR SHARE PROGRAMS. AND SO I THINK AS WE COMMENTED BEFORE, IT'D BE GREAT FOR THE CITY TO WALK, BIKE OR TO SHARE.

AND AS WE CAN SEE NOW, WITH THE ADVENT OF E-BIKES, WE ARE STARTING TO SEE A SHIFT IN IN PEOPLE MOVING AROUND, WHICH TO ME IS A GREAT THING TO SEE, SEEING KIDS, ADULTS, ANYONE GETTING TO AND FROM UP THESE GREAT HILLS OF OF CARLSBAD AS A FORMER CYCLIST, THEY'RE PRETTY, PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

HILL SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO COMMUTE, USING USING A BIKE WITH, WITH THE REGARDS OF SAFETY IN MIND. AND ALSO TO LASTLY, ON THE ON THIS ONE GOAL, THE REVIEW AND OF UNDERSTANDING OUR MOBILITY SYSTEM EVALUATION MONITORING SYSTEM MSEM.

RTIA AS MR. SCHMIDT HAS MENTIONED. GROWTH MANAGEMENT OR GMP, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND THEN ALSO TO OUR VEHICLE LEVELS OF SERVICE, OUR MULTIPLE LEVELS OF SERVICE AND OUR VEHICLES MILES TRAVELED.

SO THESE ARE REALLY CORE AREAS FOR US, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR TDM, OUR TEAM, WHICH IS OUR TRAFFIC DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND ALSO OUR MODES OF LEVELS OF SERVICE. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO, I FEEL, GET OURSELVES INTO MORE OF A UNDERSTANDING AND ALSO.

TO KIND OF FOCUS ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THESE THREE THAT I'VE MENTIONED, THE TIA, THE LEVELS OF SERVICE AND THEN THE TDM AS WE'VE KIND OF NEED TO RESHUFFLE AND MAYBE REFOCUS ON THESE ON THESE ITEMS BECAUSE THIS IS A KEY AREA THAT WE JUST NEED TO FOCUS ON.

SO I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH.

AND ALSO TO FOR THIS GOAL IS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT ON SCHEDULED PROJECTS THAT HAVE POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE MOBILITY OPTIONS.

SO AS THE COMMISSIONER WITH ALL THESE DISTRICTS, IT IS GREAT TO HEAR FROM ALL THE DISTRICTS, FROM CALAVERAS HILLS, FROM THE VILLAGE, FROM THE BARRIO, FROM RANCHO CARRILLO, FROM PONO, ALL THESE ALL THESE AREAS IS GREAT TO HEAR.

DURING THE COMMISSIONERS MEETING THE IS MEETING ALL OF THESE CITIZENS TALKING ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR POSITIVES, THINGS HAVE CHALLENGES AND WHERE ARE WE GOING FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

AND AGAIN, WE REALLY TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN HAVING ALL OF THESE CITIZENS SPEAK THEIR VOICE AND THEIR INPUT.

THE NEXT PART, WHICH IS A BIG, CRUCIAL PART.

THE SECOND PART IS THE FOCUS ON MOBILITY AND SAFETY AROUND SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL LOCATIONS.

FOR US, WE REVIEW, PROVIDE INPUT ON SIGNIFICANT MOBILITY SAFETY PROJECTS IN YOUR SCHOOLS AND PROACTIVELY ENGAGE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL.

ONE THING I'M REALLY HAPPY IN WORKING WITH MR. SCHMITT IS THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL FOR THE PILOT PROJECT AT HOPE ELEMENTARY.

THAT IS THE NORTHEAST LOCATION.

AND FOR THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW A NEW DEVELOPMENT I THINK IS [INAUDIBLE] AND THE PRESERVE HAS BEEN ABLE TO INSTEAD OF CHILDREN WALKING AROUND AND GOING THROUGH OCEANSIDE AND GOING UP TO COLLEGE, THERE IS A NICE LITTLE TRAIL THAT'S BEEN CREATED TO GET TO THAT NEXT LOCATION AND IT'S FROM A 2 TO 3 MILE WALK.

IT'S NOW LESS THAN A MILE WALK.

AND SO KIDS NOW IN THAT LOCATION CAN GO FROM THEIR HOUSE UP TO AND INTO THAT TRAIL AND UP TO THE HOPE ELEMENTARY, LESS THAN A MILE AND PROBABLY A 15 TO 20 MINUTE WALK WITH JUST ONE CROSS ROAD THAT THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL ACROSS ON MARIN.

ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IS RECEIVE INFORMATION REPORTS FROM THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING SCHOOL TRAFFIC, EDUCATION ENFORCEMENT AND THIS ONE I'M REALLY I REALLY RESPECT AND I REALLY THANK THE POLICE FORCE FOR THIS, WHERE JUST A COUPLE OF INSTANCES I'D LIKE TO SHARE.

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BUT ASSISTANT CHIEF POLICE CALDERWOOD AT THAT TIME, I THINK, LIEUTENANT CALDERWOOD, THERE WAS A SCHOOL LOCK DOWN AND WITH THE SWIFT ACTION OF THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE ABLE TO ASSESS, TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION.

AND WHAT WAS REALLY NICE WAS AS THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO REPORT TO US, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM THIS? SO TO ME, SAFETY IS AN IMPORTANT THING ON THIS COMMISSION.

ALSO TO SERGEANT MERRITT WITH THE SCHOOL SITE TRAFFIC AWARENESS, I KNOW THAT SCHOOL IS COMING UP AND I KNOW THAT HE IS BUSY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC, BICYCLING, PARKING AND EVERYTHING AROUND THE SCHOOLS.

AND IT'S JUST REALLY NICE TO SEE SERGEANT MERRITT TAKING ACTION AND PROVIDING THE EDUCATION, ENFORCEMENT AND AWARENESS FOR THE STUDENTS AND ALSO FOR THE PARENTS OF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND ALSO TO OUR RESOURCE OFFICER, SERGEANT SAKAMOTO.

VERY GREAT THAT HE IS ABLE TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS AND JUST SEE THE STUDENTS AND ALSO WITH THE PARENTS OF THE SCHOOLS.

AND ALSO LASTLY, IS LIEUTENANT JAKOWSKI PROVIDING GREAT STATISTICAL REPORTS FOR THE CP, FOR THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROGRAMS, BICYCLE SAFETY AWARENESS, DUI CHECKPOINTS AND ANY INCIDENT REPORTS? AND YES, WITH THIS COMMISSION, WE DO RECEIVE THE ACCIDENT REPORTS AND EVEN THE HEARTBREAKING FATALITY REPORTS.

BUT FOR US, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HOLD VERY DEAR, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, FATALITIES THAT GO ON.

AND SO WE TAKE THIS AND WE TRY AND LEARN FROM WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE IN THE CITY.

AND THEN LASTLY, IS THE ENHANCED TRANSPARENCY.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS FOR THE CITY WIDE WEBSITE TO ENHANCE PUBLIC INPUT AND RELATED TO MOBILITY ISSUES.

SO THINGS LIKE THE ADVENT OF OUR CARLSBAD CONNECT, WHICH IS AN AMAZING TOOL FOR CITIZENS TO REACH OUT FOR ANY ISSUES IF IT'S DRAINS, IF IT'S PARKING, IF IT'S ANY STREET ISSUES.

IT IS REALLY GREAT FOR THE STAFF AND EVERYONE TO RESPOND AND THEY RESPOND QUICKLY AND TIMELY.

AND IT'S A GREAT FEATURE AND APP THAT THEY THAT WE'VE ROLLED OUT ALSO TO THE CITY OUTREACH FROM THE STAFF OF OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN THE STREETS.

IT'S JUST GREAT TO HAVE THAT EAR AND TO GET THAT INTEL FROM FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND LASTLY, FOR ME IS THE TO HAVE ACCESS AND AWARENESS FROM THE INPUT OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION IS HERE.

THAT OUR EARS ARE OPEN.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO ANYTHING THAT YOU BRING INPUT OF GRADE OR OF ANY CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE.

SO. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT THESE.

GOALS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR WORK PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE A PROFOUND IMPACT ON HOW WE MOVE TO THE NEXT EVOLUTION WITH REGARDS TO SAFETY AND MOBILITY FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. AND MY FINAL COMMENT FOR ME, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS AS A COMMISSIONER FOR THE TRAFFIC MOBILITY COMMISSION.

IT IS GREAT WITH GREAT HONOR AS A COMMISSIONER FOR THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION TO SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

AND FOR ME, IT IS THE UTMOST PRIVILEGE AS AN APPOINTED MEMBER FOR THE GREAT CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD.

AND SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND I YIELD BACK TO THE FLOOR.

SPEAKERS. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

QUESTIONS, MR. NORBY.

A COMMENT, SIR.

YEAH, GO AHEAD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK AND YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

AND IT'S IT'S A HIGHLIGHT, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US TO HEAR FROM THOSE WHO ARE SERVING IN OUR CITY AND OUR COMMISSIONS AND THE WORK AND HOW SERIOUSLY YOU TAKE IT.

SO THANK YOU. EARLIER THIS EVENING.

AND LET ME ALSO SAY, IF YOU'RE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT OR OR FIRE, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING IN TRANSPORTATION, EMERGING TECHNOLOGY AND TRANSPORTATION. THERE'S TOO MANY TO COUNT.

THERE'S TOO MANY TO COUNT IN TERMS OF FATALITIES AND ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

AND THIS IS YOUR REPORT UP TO US.

AND I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE THE TIMES THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE IN TERMS OF ADOPTION OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES, WHETHER THEY'RE SCOOTERS OR ELECTRIC BIKES. AND WHAT'S COMING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE BROAD.

I THINK THERE'S A PIECE HERE WHICH IS EDUCATION, AND I APPRECIATE THE TRANSPARENCY, BUT THAT'S LOOKING IN IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'RE OPERATING AND INVITING THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED. AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS IS EMANATING OUT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS LIKE, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT, YOU NEED TO FIX THIS GOVERNMENT.

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AND IT'S 115,000 OF US THAT ARE EXHIBITING BAD BEHAVIOR ON OCCASION.

AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A 4,000 POUND VEHICLE HITS A 100 POUND BIKE.

WE HAVE NO IDEA, ESPECIALLY OUR YOUNGER GENERATION OR WHAT HIGH SPEED DOES.

AND I THINK THAT MARRIED TO A PRINCIPAL SITE ADMINISTRATOR FOR 21 YEARS AND JULIE IS ALWAYS I'M SORRY, SHE WAS A SITE ADMINISTRATOR FOR 21 YEARS. WE'VE BEEN MARRIED, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY A LONG TIME.

BUT SHE WOULD TELL YOU THE WORST HUMAN BEHAVIOR SHE'S EVER SEEN IS THAT DROP OFF AND PICKUP.

EVERYONE'S IN A HURRY.

THEY CUT.

THEY DO STUPID THINGS.

THEY GO OUT WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO IN AND WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO OUT.

LEAVE THEIR VEHICLE UNATTENDED WHILE THEY GO GET A CHILD.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE WORST BEHAVIOR BECAUSE WE'RE THEY'RE EXTREMELY RUSHED AND LIMITED TIME AND THEY'RE FRUSTRATED BY THE QUEUES.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, WE'RE CHALLENGED EARLIER IN THE MEETING, WHAT CAN WE DO? WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. WE NEED TO HELP THIS SITUATION.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE AN EDUCATION COMPONENT WHERE WE REACH OUT TO OUR CITIZENS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH TRANSPORTATION AND HOW WONDERFUL IT IS, BUT HOW DANGEROUS IT IS AND AND HOW WE CAN DO BETTER BE ATTENTIVE AND NOT TEXT AND JUST EVERYTHING.

SO I HOPE WE CAN DO THAT.

I'D LIKE TO DO THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO OUR COMMISSION CHAIR FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF YOUR COMMISSION AND TO STAFF FOR YOUR HARD WORK SUPPORTING ALL OF THE EFFORTS OF THE CITY. THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT COMMISSION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

FOUR YEARS ON THIS COMMISSION AND MAYBE MORE.

THIS ISSUE, AS YOU PROBABLY SAW FROM EARLIER THIS EVENING, IS SO SERIOUS AND SO IMPORTANT AND IT TOUCHES EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY HOW WE GET ABOUT, HOW WE GET AROUND.

EVERY ISSUE THAT WE DECIDE ON, EVEN JUST THE PREVIOUS ISSUE OF THE CITY HALL LOCATION.

YOU KNOW WE THINK ABOUT WHY ITS LOCATION MATTERS AND THE ACCESSIBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE THINK ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSIT, SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES, TRAFFIC.

I LIVE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY, JUST LESS THAN TEN MILES AWAY.

AND AND YET IT TOOK ME HALF AN HOUR TO GET HERE AT 3:00, BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S THE FIRST WEEK OF SCHOOL FOR A LOT OF SCHOOLS.

SO IT WAS PRETTY CLOGGED TODAY.

BUT WE'RE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

WE'RE ALWAYS MAKING IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING ON.

AND AND YET THE CHANGES ARE HAPPENING AND THEY'RE CONVERGING AT SUCH A RATE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF BEHIND.

IT'S JUST IT'S THE CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT OF CARS ON THE ROAD AND THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AND NOW E-BIKES.

SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE SOME EDUCATION.

I KNOW THAT OUR CITY HAS PARTNERED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO DO SOME EDUCATION OF STUDENTS AND PARENTS ABOUT E-BIKES.

I KNOW THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THOSE EFFORTS.

THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO.

THERE'S JUST A HUGE WORKLOAD FOR OUR STAFF AND FOR THIS COMMISSION AND FOR OUR CITY AND FOR THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE DYNAMICS ARE AND PARTICIPATING SAFELY IN THEM.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

I ESPECIALLY AM VERY INTERESTED ALSO IN SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN AND IN THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL.

I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THEM AS A PARENT, SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN THAT CARPOOL LANE, AS A SINGLE PARENT, THE ONLY ONE DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP MY DAUGHTER EVERY DAY.

I KNOW THOSE. AND ESPECIALLY THERE WERE COMMENTS EARLIER MADE ABOUT AVIARA OAKS.

THAT'S WHERE MY DAUGHTER WENT TO MIDDLE SCHOOL.

I KNOW THOSE AREAS VERY, VERY WELL.

I DID THAT EVERY DAY.

AND JUST THINKING OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN KEEP YOUR KIDS SAFE AND ALSO BE A SAFE DRIVER.

IT'S JUST IT'S SUCH SO CRITICAL.

I MEAN, REALLY LIKE LIFE CRITICAL, OBVIOUSLY ISSUES.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND PLEASE KEEP ON DOING THAT GREAT WORK.

WE COUNT ON YOU AND AND WE'RE SO GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE AND CARING.

THANKS. GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

YES, THANK YOU.

ECHOING SENTIMENTS OF GRATITUDE TO BOTH OF YOU, OF COURSE, ON ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE, AND, OF COURSE, TO OUR COMMISSION.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT I KNOW THESE WORK PLANS WERE CREATED JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, AND I'M SO THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL COME FORWARD WITH THEM.

I KNOW IT TAKES TIME AND EFFORT, BUT I DO THINK THIS IS A GREAT COMPONENT OF THAT TRANSPARENCY PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, JUST ALLOWING FOR FOLKS TO REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON.

AND ALSO, JUST A KUDOS TO HOW MUCH YOU ALL ARE DOING BECAUSE THIS IS DEFINITELY A LOT.

IT'S A HEAVY LIFT. AND ESPECIALLY LIKE MY COLLEAGUE SAID, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

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SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT I THINK ARE GOING TO BE AGAIN, ASSETS TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WILL BE HELPFUL FOR MANY OF US IS DEFINITELY THAT SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN.

I KNOW OUR ENTIRE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN WANTING TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT AND SEE THAT PROGRESS.

AND AS SOMEBODY WHO LIKES TO WALK AROUND QUITE A BIT, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

JUST AS A MOM OF A YOUNG CHILD AND A PERSON WHO HAS A DOG, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING HAVING THE ABILITY TO WALK AROUND IN A WAY THAT IS ACCESSIBLE AND FEELS JUST CONNECTED AND SAFE IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK I'M SURE A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR.

AND THEN JUST IN GENERAL, FROM A MULTIMODAL OPTION, JUST HAVING THE ABILITY FOR CYCLISTS AND OTHERS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THOSE METHODS OF TRANSIT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

AND SO I'M GLAD THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT, THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL.

YOU KNOW, MY SON IS YOUNG, BUT I WENT TO AVIARA AND I KNOW HOW A DROP OFF LOOKED LIKE.

I WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE KIDS WHO HAD TO FIND MY MOM IN THAT SEA OF CARS OR MY DAD AND THAT SEA OF CARS.

AND IT'S DEFINITELY GOTTEN MUCH WORSE.

I HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN THERE.

I'VE WALKED THE SITE, I'VE YOU KNOW VISITED WITH FOLKS THERE.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON CAMPUS AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND IT'S SOMETHING DEFINITELY THAT AT LEAST FOR THAT PARTICULAR REGION, I CAN SPEAK FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.

BUT ALSO OF COURSE HEARING FROM FOLKS, WHETHER IT'S CARLSBAD HIGH, I ATTENDED THERE AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE DO TO PROVIDE THOSE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL.

SO I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM IN PLACE AND THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL BE EXPANDING TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

AND I THINK WE WILL DEFINITELY BENEFIT FROM FROM THAT.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED WITH REGARDS TO THE INFORMATION REPORTS, I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU ALL GET THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH CPD. IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO JUST LEARN FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE WHAT MORE CAN BE DONE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE TRANSPARENCY PIECE.

I'VE HEARD THAT A LOT. HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE ACCESS TO THE MEETINGS? HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SEE, WATCH THE MEETING? SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING INCORPORATING BECAUSE I THINK JUST FOR FOLKS THAT ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON, THEY CAN AT LEAST HAVE THE ABILITY TO WATCH IT ONLINE.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.

I'M READY TO MAKE THE MOTION.

JUST A QUICK COMMENT AND I'VE MADE THESE SAME COMMENTS AT SANDAG.

THE WORLD IS CHANGING.

THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO TRAVEL IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE IS BEYOND ANYBODY'S BELIEF.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T DONE IS EDUCATE OURSELVES AS TO WHERE THE WORLD IS AT.

AND SO WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE WILL WE NEED FOR THOSE NEW VEHICLES TO OPERATE IN? AND WHAT I'VE SAID TO SANDAG IS IN 15 YEARS, IT'S MY GUESS.

TRANSIT AGENCIES ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF BUSINESS.

THE WORLD IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT FAST AND THAT RADICAL.

SO I WOULD JUST URGE YOU, AS YOU START DOWN THIS PATH TO REDESIGN TOMORROW, TAKE THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT TOMORROW'S TECHNOLOGY IS AND HOW QUICK IT'S COMING TO US.

SO I URGE SANDAG TO DO THAT ALSO.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT USING 100 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY, BUT WE'VE NEVER STUDIED WHAT'S FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS OUT AND IT'S COMING.

WHETHER WE DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR NOT, IT'S HOW WE CHOOSE TO INCORPORATE IT.

GO AHEAD. MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN.

SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND I THINK SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, BUT LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT TO 5 MINUTES.

SO WE STILL GOT A COUPLE ITEMS TO GO.

STATISTICS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS RESPONSE TO CRIME TRENDS.

THANK YOU, SIR. AND MAKING THE PRESENTATION TODAY ARE POLICE CHIEF MICKEY WILLIAMS AND SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST CINDY ANDERSON.

[11. UPDATE ON CRIME STATISTICS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT’S RESPONSE TO CRIME TRENDS]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON OUR 2021 CRIME STATISTICS.

MY NAME IS MICKEY WILLIAMS. I HAVE THE HONOR TO SERVE AS YOUR POLICE CHIEF.

AND WITH ME TONIGHT AS MY PARTNER IS SANDY ANDERSON, OUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST.

SO TONIGHT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT OUR 2021 SANDAG CRIME STATISTICS THAT WERE RECENTLY PUBLISHED.

THE REPORT FROM SANDAG CONTAINS A COMPARISON FROM THE 2020 CRIME STATS TO 2021.

AND BECAUSE 2020 WAS A BIT OF AN ANOMALY DUE TO COVID AND ITS IMPACT ON CRIME STATISTICS, THE SANDAG REPORT ALSO HAS A FIVE YEAR COMPARISON FROM

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WE'LL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT CRIME TRENDS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS FACED DURING THE LAST YEAR.

WHAT OUR RESPONSE TO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE CRIME STATISTICS THIS YEAR.

AND THEN ALSO WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE NEW POLICE INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE CREATED TO TRY TO ENHANCE OUR COMMUNICATION WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT TO MAKE MAKE US MORE EFFECTIVE AND RESPONSIVE WITH RESPECT TO CRIME TRENDS.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST ANDERSON TO DISCUSS THE STATISTICS, AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT CRIME TRENDS AND OUR RESPONSE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBERS AND CITY STAFF.

EACH YEAR, THE SAN DIEGO ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENT SANDAG PUBLISHES TWO BULLETINS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO CRIME STATISTICS IN THE COUNTY.

ONE REPORT IS A FULLY COMPREHENSIVE BREAKDOWN OF CRIME IN THE COUNTY.

IT ANALYZES VIOLENT CRIMES, WHICH INCLUDES HOMICIDES, FORCIBLE RAPE, ROBBERIES AND AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS AND PROPERTY CRIMES, WHICH INCLUDES BURGLARIES, THEFTS AND AUTO THEFTS.

AND THEN THE SECOND REPORT IS JUST A BREAKDOWN OF CRIME.

THE HIGHLIGHTS OF CRIME IN EVERY CITY.

IT'S A ONE PAGE REVIEW, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE ON THE SCREEN HERE.

IT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND IT JUST GIVES AN OVERALL HIGHLIGHT.

ON THE SLIDE RIGHT HERE SHOWS THE COMPARISON BETWEEN 2021 AND 2020, AS WELL AS THE FIVE YEARS THAT THE CHIEF HAD MENTIONED.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DID HAVE AN INCREASE IN CRIME IN ALL AREAS FROM 2020 TO 2021.

BUT WHEN COMPARING TO THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE'RE ACTUALLY AT AN OVERALL DECREASE OF 9%.

AND WHERE WE DID INCREASE, IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY AS WELL.

HERE ARE SOME KEY HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE SANDAG REPORT AND I'LL JUST GO OVER THE BULLET POINTS.

THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS INCREASED COUNTYWIDE FOR THE SIXTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR.

CARLSBAD'S AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS INCREASED BY 10%.

BURGLARIES INCREASED BY 1% OVERALL, WITH AN 8% DECREASE IN RESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES AND A 7% INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL BURGLARIES FROM 2020 TO 2021.

LARCENY INCREASED BY 8% FROM 2020 TO 2021, MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT INCREASED BY 18%.

AND ALTHOUGH, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID SEE AN INCREASE, THE OVERALL CRIME RATE IN 2021 WAS LOWER THAN THE PRE-PANDEMIC CRIME RATE FROM 2017 TO 2019.

AND AS THE CHIEF MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ATTRIBUTE THIS TO THE PANDEMIC IN 2020.

SO I'LL TOUCH ON OUR CRIME ANALYSIS AND RESPONSE PROGRAM, ALSO KNOWN AS CARS.

THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR ABOUT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT UTILIZES OUR CRIME DATA THAT'S COMPILED FROM REPORTS THAT OUR OFFICERS AND OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS WRITE REGARDING CRIMES.

AND WE USE THAT INFORMATION TO DEVELOP TRENDS AND SERIES RELATED TO CRIMES.

AND WE CONSTANTLY ARE CHECKING THOSE AND REVIEWING THOSE.

THIS PROGRAM INCLUDES A WEEKLY MEETING WITH ALL LIEUTENANTS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT AND UNIT OR DIVISION COMMANDERS TO TRY TO GO OVER THE CRIME TRENDS AND CRIME STATISTICS OVER THE LAST PAST WEEK.

TALK ABOUT OUR RESPONSES FOR THE LAST WEEK AND TO PROVIDE A PLAN FOR THE NEXT WEEK AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THIS ISN'T JUST ON A WEEKLY BASIS.

ALSO QUARTERLY, WE CONDUCT A LARGER MEETING, BRINGING COMMAND STAFF INTO THE MIX WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OUR CRIME TRENDS AND CRIME DATA OVER THE LAST QUARTER, WHAT OUR RESPONSES WERE, HOW EFFECTIVE WE WERE, OR IF THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND THEN PROVIDING A PLAN FOR THE NEXT QUARTER MOVING FORWARD.

A PART OF THIS PROGRAM.

THE STRENGTH OF THIS PROGRAM IS ITS RELIES ON OUR DATA AND RELIES ON OUR DATA THAT WE'RE COMPILING OUT IN THE FIELD BASED ON THE REPORTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHAT IT REQUIRES US TO DO IS TO GO OUT AND TAKE REPORTS.

AND ONE OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS IS RELATED TO SERVICE LEVEL.

AND SO WE RESPOND TO EVERY CALL A COMMUNITY MEMBER MAKES REQUESTING A POLICE OFFICER, AND THAT IS NOT THE SAME IN EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY.

THIS IS A DISTINCTION IN CARLSBAD THAT'S BEEN THE WAY CARLSBAD POLICE OPERATES FOR YEARS.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HOLD DEAR AND IT'S PART OF WHO WE ARE.

WE ALSO TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN DOCUMENTING CRIME AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING NOTE WHEN REPORTS ARE PROVIDED BY THE COMMUNITY MEMBER, EVEN IF THERE MAY BE A SLIM CHANCE OF SOLVING THE CRIME.

THE FACT THAT WE TAKE THE INFORMATION DOWN, WE GENERATE A CRIME REPORT, IT ALLOWS US AND DURING THAT WEEKLY AND QUARTERLY MEETING TO EVALUATE THAT INFORMATION POTENTIALLY

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AND IT JUST MAKES US BETTER AT WHAT WE DO.

BUT THIS IS A BIT OF A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD.

AND I JUST I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING THIS FORWARD, IS THAT THIS IS THIS INCENTIVIZES MAKING POLICE REPORTS AND GENERATING POLICE REPORTS AND DOCUMENTING WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING US.

BUT WHEN YOU DO A COMPARISON, FOR EXAMPLE, AGAINST ANOTHER JURISDICTION OR A COUNTY WIDE COMPARISON, YOU MAY NOT BE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, BECAUSE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE POLICE DEPARTMENTS DO NOT OPERATE WITH THE SAME PASSION TOWARDS RESPONDING TO ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE AND DOCUMENTING CRIME, YOU MAY FIND THAT MAYBE THERE'S A LESS, LESS CRIME BEING ACTUALLY DOCUMENTED IN A COMMUNITY THAN PER SE IN OURS. SO THAT AFFECTS THE CRIME RATE.

AND THEN SECONDLY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CLEARANCE RATES IN IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE ARE REGULARLY TAKING CRIME REPORTS, EVEN IF THE CASE APPEARS POTENTIALLY NOT SOLVABLE, WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT LOWERS THE SOLUBILITY COMPARED TO IF WE ONLY WERE TO TAKE REPORTS WHERE THE OFFICER EITHER HAD THE SUSPECT ON SCENE OR THOUGHT THERE WAS A HIGH LIKELIHOOD OF TAKING THE REPORTS.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, RESPONDING TO ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE AND DILIGENTLY DOCUMENTING CRIME REPORTS BECAUSE WE FIRMLY BELIEVE IN THIS CAR'S PROGRAM THAT IT MAKES US BETTER AT WHAT WE DO.

BUT I DID THINK THAT THAT EXPLANATION WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WE TALK ABOUT COMPARING CRIME RATES AND CLEARANCE RATES ACROSS OTHER JURISDICTIONS OR WITHIN THE COUNTY.

NOW I'LL MOVE ON TO SOME CRIME TRENDS THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY BEEN DEALING WITH.

THE FIRST IS CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT.

SO A CATALYTIC CONVERTER, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, IS PART OF THE EXHAUST SYSTEM OF VEHICLES.

YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IT THE MUFFLER AND THEY'RE STOLEN BECAUSE THEY CONTAIN PRECIOUS METALS.

AND THOSE PRECIOUS METALS ARE ABLE TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE STOLEN CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AND SOLD FOR MONEY.

BETWEEN 2020 AND 2021, WE SAW A 400% INCREASE IN CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS.

WE HAD 32 THEFTS OF CATALYTIC CONVERTERS IN 2020 AND 128 IN 2021.

THIS TREND IS CONTINUING.

THIS TREND HAS DRIVEN US TO FORM COLLABORATIVE WORKING GROUPS WITH OUR ALLIED AGENCY PARTNERS.

PART OF OUR INVESTIGATION INTO THESE CRIMES HAS SHOWN THAT ONE GROUP OF OFFENDERS CAN TRAVEL THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, COMMITTING THESE OFFENSES. AND THE COLLABORATION EFFORT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, OFTENTIMES LED BY OUR OWN CINDY ANDERSON, HELPS BRING THESE CASES TOGETHER, WHICH HAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BENEFITS.

WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN UNSOLVABLE CASE IN OUR JURISDICTION? WHEN ADDED THE INFORMATION FROM ANOTHER JURISDICTION, DEFENSE BECOMES SOLVABLE.

SECONDLY, FOR PROSECUTORIAL PURPOSES, WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO PRESENT A PACKAGE OF OFFENSES TO THE PROSECUTION, THE LIKELIHOOD OF GAINING PROSECUTION AND SECONDARILY THE RESULTING SENTENCES ARE MUCH HIGHER.

SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS MORE SIGNIFICANT ACCOUNTABILITY FOR CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT DUE TO THIS ALLIED AGENCY COOPERATION.

WE'VE ALSO DONE THINGS WITHIN OUR CITY.

OUR SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL, WHICH YOU SEE DRIVING AROUND, HAS GONE OUT AND PROACTIVELY HANDED OUT OVER 600 FLIERS TO VEHICLES.

THERE ARE CERTAIN VEHICLES THAT ARE MORE OFTEN STOLEN FROM THAN OTHERS BECAUSE OF THE COMPOSITION OF THEIR CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.

AND SO OUR SENIOR VOLUNTEER HAS GONE OUT AND FOUND THOSE VEHICLES PARKED IN OUR COMMUNITY, MADE CONTACT WITH THE OWNERS AND HANDED OUT FLIERS TO WARN THEM THAT THEY HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE STOLEN FROM SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE PROACTIVE EFFORTS.

WE'VE ALSO UTILIZED SOCIAL MEDIA TO SPREAD THE WORD FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.

WE'VE HOSTED WITH A LOCAL AUTO CARE DEALER, A ENGRAVE TWO DIFFERENT ENGRAVING OPERATIONS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE THEIR ID LICENSE NUMBER OR VIN NUMBER ENGRAVED ON THEIR CATALYTIC CONVERTER.

SO IF IT'S STOLEN, IT'S MORE EASILY TRACEABLE.

AND THEN, AS YOU'RE AWARE, RECENTLY CITY COUNCIL AMENDED OUR MUNICIPAL CODE, ADDING A SECTION THAT MADE THE SIMPLE POSSESSION OF A DISCONNECTED CATALYTIC CONVERTER WITHOUT OWNERSHIP DOCUMENTATION ILLEGAL, WHICH WAS WHICH IS A GREAT TOOL FOR OUR OFFICERS ALSO.

SO SOME OTHER TRENDS THAT WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING FIRST IS BIKE THEFT.

WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN BIKE THEFT, BOTH BOTH TRADITIONAL BICYCLES AND E-BIKES.

THE INCREASE WAS 26% BETWEEN 2020 AND 2021 AND 21.

WE HAD 196 BIKES STOLEN.

ALREADY THIS YEAR, WE'VE SEEN OVER 130 THEFTS.

SO THE THEFTS ARE CONTINUING.

THIS IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE.

WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE EDUCATION FIRST AND FOREMOST.

LOCK OUR BIKES UP, TAKE THEM INSIDE IF YOU CAN.

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WE'RE UTILIZING OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM AND OUR SCHOOLS TO SPREAD THAT AWARENESS AND EDUCATION.

WE ALSO UTILIZE BAIT BICYCLES, WHICH ARE DETECTIVES WILL PLACE OUT IN LOCATIONS WHERE OUR DATA INDICATES BIKES MAY BE STOLEN.

THIS BIKE, THESE BIKES THAT WE UTILIZE FOR BAIT BIKES, HAVE TRANSPONDERS THAT ALERT US IF IT'S TAKEN AND THEN OUR OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO TRACK THE BIKE DOWN AND MAKE AN ARREST THAT WAY. AND THEN LASTLY, WE ARE STARTING TO ROLL OUT AN ONLINE PLATFORM BIKE REGISTRY PROGRAM WHERE OWNERS OF BICYCLES AND E-BIKES CAN ONLINE REGISTER THEIR SERIAL NUMBER AND THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.

AND THIS WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT SO THAT IF OUR OFFICERS STOP SOMEBODY DRIVING A BIKE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO QUICKLY CHECK THE THE REGISTRY SYSTEM. IT'S A FREE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO REGISTER THEIR BICYCLE, AND IT ALLOWS OUR OFFICERS TO KNOW WHO THAT BICYCLE BELONGS TO.

WE EXPECT TO ALSO PARTNER WITH BUSINESSES THAT SELL BICYCLES TO AT THE POINT OF SALE, HAVE THE OWNER INPUT THE INFORMATION INTO THE SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A ROBUST SYSTEM ALLOWING OUR OFFICERS TO CONNECT BIKE OWNERS TO THE BIKES THAT WE RECOVER.

MOVING ON TO BURGLARIES.

BURGLARIES ARE CLASSIFIED IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, NONRESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

WITH THE NONRESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES, WE DID SEE A SLIGHT INCREASE BETWEEN 20 AND 21.

WE HAD 11 MORE NONRESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES.

THOSE MIGHT ALSO BE CALLED COMMERCIAL BURGLARIES THAN WE HAD IN 2020.

SOME OF THE MOST LIKELY THE MAIN DRIVING FORCE IN THE INCREASE IN OUR NONRESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES IS ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT AND SHOPLIFT.

WE'RE SEEING THESE ORGANIZED RETAIL CREWS OPERATE THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE OUR OWN CINDY ANDERSON HAS TAKEN THE LEAD TO BRING INVESTIGATORS AND CRIME ANALYSTS TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, TO SHARE INFORMATION AND TO LINK THESE OFFENSES, WHICH MAY BE APPARENTLY INDIVIDUAL.

BUT THEN ONCE THEY'RE COMPARED AGAINST EACH OTHER AND OVERLAID, YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE SIMILARITIES OF EITHER SUSPECT DESCRIPTION, VEHICLE DESCRIPTION OR OR HOW THEY GO ABOUT THEIR OFFENSES.

WITH RESPECT TO RESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES, WE ACTUALLY SAW A DECREASE FROM 2020 TO 2021.

WE HAD NINE LESS RESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES THAN WE DID IN 2020.

HOWEVER, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN ON THE MEDIA, THERE WERE SEVERAL AND THERE ARE SEVERAL HIGH PROFILE [INAUDIBLE] WITHIN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THAT ARE THAT HAVE OUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE DETECTIVES ASSIGNED TO THESE SERIES, ALONG WITH OUR OWN CINDY ANDERSON, WHO'S TAKEN A LEAD AGAIN IN BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER ACROSS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA REGION TO ADDRESS THESE RESIDENTIAL BURGLARIES.

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT IS ANOTHER TREND THAT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE.

WE HAD AN 18% INCREASE OVER THE PRIOR YEAR.

WE HAD 186 VEHICLES STOLEN IN 2021.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE RECOVERED 160 VEHICLES IN OUR CITY, 160 STOLEN VEHICLES, AND 114 OF THOSE WERE RECOVERED WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF LICENSE PLATE READERS. SO THE INVESTMENT IN LICENSE PLATE READERS IS PROVIDED TO BE A GREAT TOOL FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO RETURN VEHICLES TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS AND TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE THAT STEAL CARS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.

WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THE NEW LICENSE PLATE READERS THAT COUNCIL GRACIOUSLY PROVIDED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE ROLLED OUT SOON.

AND THEN LASTLY, ON THIS SLIDE, REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN BAR CONCERNS, THAT'S AN OVERALL CLASSIFICATION.

SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS.

WE DID SEE AN INCREASE, AS CINDY MENTIONED, OF 10% INCREASE IN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT IN 2021.

THERE'S MULTIPLE FACTORS THAT HAS DRIVEN THAT.

BUT THE HEAT MAP ON AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE OCCUR IN THE VILLAGE AREA.

SOME FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT ARE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RELATED.

WE DID SEE AN INCREASE IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, ALSO HOMELESSNESS RELATED ASSAULTS AND THEN ALSO THE BAR RELATED AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT RELATED AND AN ATTEMPT TO BE PROACTIVE AS THE SUMMER BEGAN, WITH RESPECT TO THE BARS DOWN IN THE VILLAGE, WE HELD A HOSTED A SUMMIT FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SERVING ESTABLISHMENTS, BRINGING TOGETHER THE MANAGEMENT, THE OWNERSHIP, ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGE CONTROL, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR OTHER CITY PARTNERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE REGULATION AND ADMINISTRATION OF THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT THE RULES WERE, TO GIVE BEST PRACTICES, TO PROVIDE SOME EDUCATION, AND JUST TO TRY TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO MAKE THE DOWNTOWN VILLAGE AREA SAFE WITH RESPECT TO THE BARS AND THE DRINKING THAT GOES ON.

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THIS IS A NEW STOREFRONT LOCATION THAT OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM IS OCCUPYING WITHIN THE VILLAGE WELCOME CENTER.

IT PROVIDES US THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THE VILLAGE, BUT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY FOR OUR HOT TEAM TO RESPOND CITYWIDE WHEREVER HOMELESSNESS ACTIVITIES ARE NECESSARY TO BE ADDRESSED. AND WE DO REGULARLY GO CITYWIDE, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE A MORE VISIBLE PRESENCE DOWN IN THE VILLAGE, WHICH IS HELPFUL, AND WE'VE RECEIVED POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. ANOTHER INITIATIVE OF OURS IS RELATED TO MOTEL SAFETY, AND THIS REALLY HAS TWO PRONGS.

ONE IS THE ADDRESSING TRADITIONAL CRIME, THEFT AND NARCOTICS RELATED OFFENSES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN MOTELS.

WE'VE DETAILED EXTRA PATROLS TO ADDRESS THESE.

WE'VE UTILIZED OUR CRIME SUPPRESSION TEAM AND OUR DETECTIVES TO ALSO ADDRESS THESE LOCATIONS BASED ON OUR CRIME DATA THAT'S PROVIDED THROUGH THE ANALYSIS OF OUR CRIME REPORTS. AND WE'VE ALSO THE SECOND PRONG IS TOWARDS HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND DEALING WITH PROSTITUTION, AND THAT OCCURS WITHIN MOTELS, NOT JUST WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, BUT WITHIN THE COUNTY.

WE PARTNERED WITH THE SAN DIEGO HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE TO CONDUCT AN OPERATION EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT RESULTED IN ARRESTS FOR PEOPLE ATTEMPTING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROSTITUTION ENVIRONMENT AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO SURVIVORS.

LASTLY, E-BIKE SAFETY.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE PRIORITY FOR OUR DEPARTMENT AND IT'S QUITE A CHALLENGE.

WE'VE UTILIZED OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN IMAGINE TO TRY TO SPREAD THE WORD REGARDING THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFETY.

IN ADDITION TO SPREADING THE WORD, WE'VE ALSO HAD A FOCUS TOWARDS ENFORCEMENT.

WE RECEIVED A GREAT TOOL BY FROM CITY COUNCIL WHEN YOU AMENDED THE MUNICIPAL CODE EARLIER THIS YEAR, JUST BEFORE SUMMERTIME, TO REALLY SIMPLIFY THE ENFORCEMENT FOR E-BIKE VIOLATIONS.

THE ENFORCEMENT OF E-BIKE VIOLATIONS HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR US SINCE THAT HAS GONE INTO MOTION.

WE'VE WRITTEN NEARLY 90 CITATIONS FOR THE MUNICIPAL CODE VIOLATION RELATED TO E-BIKE SAFETY IN ADDITION TO OTHER VEHICLE CODE VIOLATIONS.

WE'VE ALSO UTILIZED THE OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY GRANT FUNDING TO FUND ADDITIONAL PATROLS, SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED TOWARDS E-BIKES AND THEN ALSO EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGNS.

AND I THINK A REALLY GREAT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO GET UP AND RUNNING IS THE DIVERSION PROGRAM FOR THOSE THAT DO RECEIVE THE CITATIONS RELATED TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

WE'RE ABLE TO DIVERT THOSE THROUGH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OFFER OFFENDERS FIRST TIME OFFENDERS, THE OPPORTUNITY, BOTH JUVENILES AND ADULTS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH AN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM TO AVOID HAVING TO PAY THE FINE ASSOCIATED, BECAUSE WE'D RATHER THEM LEAVE THAT EXPERIENCE MORE EDUCATED AND ATTUNED TO WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING THAN PAYING SIMPLY PAYING A FINE.

IF THEY IF THEY DESIRE MORE INFORMATION, WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM THERE.

MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS AS SCHOOL STARTING RIGHT NOW IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.

I REALLY OUR OFFICERS ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO TRY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE ON OUR ROADWAYS.

IT'S QUITE A CHALLENGE, BUT THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A FOCUS FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND THEN LASTLY, INTERNAL POLICE COMMUNICATION ENHANCEMENTS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE DEPARTMENTAL WE'RE OPERATING AS BEST AS WE CAN.

WE'VE INSTITUTED DAILY LOG REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR WATCH COMMANDERS.

SO AT THE END OF EVERY 12 HOUR SHIFT, A WATCH COMMANDER WRITES A LOG AND SENDS THAT TO ALL SUPERVISORS AND ABOVE REGARDING INCIDENTS THAT OCCUR DURING THEIR SHIFT CRIME TRENDS, UPDATES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST SO THAT EVERY SUPERVISOR KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AFTER EVERY SHIFT, EVERY 12 HOUR SHIFT.

THAT'S BEEN HELPFUL TO CONNECT OFFICERS OR FROM DIFFERENT SHIFTS WORKING ON SIMILAR INCIDENTS.

IT'S JUST BEEN A GOOD COMMUNICATION TOOL AND WE PLAN TO CONTINUE THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE INVESTED EFFORT IN DEVELOPING INTERNALLY AN INTERNAL LANDING PAGE FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT SO THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE DISPATCHERS.

OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS ALL CAN GO TO ONE PLACE TO GET BE ON THE LOOKOUT, CRIME TREND INFORMATION, SUSPECT VEHICLE INFORMATION OR ANYTHING, TRAINING INFORMATION, ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY BE HELPFUL IN THEIR JOB SO THAT IT'S IN ONE SPOT FOR THEM WHEN THEY COME IN TO WORK.

IN ADDITION TO THE QUARTERLY CRIME ANALYSIS AND RESPONSE OR CARS MEETINGS THAT WE HOLD, WE'VE ALSO BEGUN GENERATING A

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AND THEN LASTLY, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION.

WE'RE BEGINNING TO BUILD OUR NEW COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE SOME GREAT TOOLS AND CAPABILITIES AS IT RELATES TO CONNECTING OFFENSES AND MINING DATA AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEW INITIATIVE MOVING FORWARD ALSO.

SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU RECEIVE OUR REPORT AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

SPEAKERS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS MAYOR.

QUESTIONS? JUST A QUICK COMMENT, AND I REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT THE STATISTICS ARE PUT TOGETHER, THE LEGIBILITY OF IT.

WE TALKED IN OUR BRIEFING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMPARING THERE'S BEEN SOME CRIMES THAT ARE NO LONGER CRIMES, RIGHT.

MARIJUANA, OTHERS AND STUFF.

AND HOW THAT REFLECTS THE REPORT.

AND IT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THE INDEXED CRIMES THAT WE HAVE.

AND TO SEE A COMMUNITY THAT HAS GROWN QUITE A BIT SINCE 2000 AND THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS GROWN QUITE A BIT AND SEEN A REDUCTION IN CRIME THE WAY THAT WE HAVE. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AS A RESIDENT, IT'S GREAT TO LIVE HERE.

SO GOOD JOB, THANK YOU FOR A GREAT REPORT.

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. YES.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR THE REPORT TONIGHT.

I ESPECIALLY LIKE THAT IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING THE INFORMATION, THE STATISTICS AND DATA IN SUCH AN EASY TO UNDERSTAND WAY, YOU ALSO TALKED A BIT ABOUT YOUR STRATEGY TO ADDRESS CRIME AND THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR PUBLIC, SO THANK YOU.

DOCTOR. YES, I ACTUALLY HAVE QUESTIONS SO REALLY BRIEFLY.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, MISS ANDERSON, YOU'RE VERY MUCH LEADING THE EFFORT IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

SO WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE YOU HERE SERVING OUR CITY.

THAT'S AWESOME. AND JUST TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS, JUST SOMETHING THAT I KNOW YOU ALREADY MENTIONED.

SO THE TREND HAS BEEN THAT WE'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN CRIME OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? YES, MA'AM. GREAT.

AND THEN IS IT ALSO ACCURATE THAT DUE TO THE SHUTDOWN, WE LIKELY EXPERIENCED THAT INCREASE FROM 2020 TO 2021 IN TERMS OF CRIME? THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING AND READING IN TERMS OF ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATED STATISTICS.

YES. IN 2020, WE DID SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIP IN CRIME.

AND THEN IN 21, WE SAW AN INCREASE.

AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE DIP IN CRIME WAS THE RESULT OF THE CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR AS IT RELATED TO COVID DURING 2020.

OKAY. AND WOULD IT ALSO BE ACCURATE TO SAY WE ARE ONE OF THE CITIES IN THE COUNTY THAT HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CRIME? WE'RE BELOW THE COUNTY AVERAGE.

OUR VIOLENT CRIME IS SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THE AVERAGE.

OUR PROPERTY CRIME IS JUST ABOUT AT THE AT THE COUNTY AVERAGE.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

AND JUST AGAIN, JOB WELL DONE.

AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AS SAFE AS WE CAN BE.

MR. BLACKBURN.

TWO QUICK COMMENTS. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR BRINGING OUT THE THAT COMPARISON.

WHEN ONE AGENCY DOCUMENTS ALL OF THE CRIME, IT APPEARS THEY HAVE MORE CRIME THAN ANOTHER AGENCY WHO MAY BE TOO BUSY OR DOESN'T MAKE A PRIORITY OF DOCUMENTING THAT CRIME.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT THAT OUT.

THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.

AND WE ALSO CYNDI'S QUITE THE SUPERSTAR I SERVE ON THE SANDAG PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THE TIME HER NAME GETS BROUGHT UP ABOUT HOW SHE'S ORGANIZED SOME AMAZING, SUCCESSFUL ARRESTS WITH OTHER AGENCIES, EVEN AGENCIES IN OTHER COUNTIES.

SO CONGRATULATIONS.

AND AND I KNOW I'VE A FEW TIMES EMBARRASSED YOU BY TEXTING YOU, SAYING, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING AND YOU CAN'T STOP RAVING ABOUT OUR OUR CITY OF CARLSBAD'S OWN CINDY.

SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

AND I KNOW YOU PUT IN HOURS EVEN, I'M GUESSING AT MIDNIGHT YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU SEND OUT OUR INFORMATION TO THE OFFICERS, SOMETIMES AT 11 OR 12 AT NIGHT, SO I DON'T GO ANYWHERE, STAY HERE.

THANK YOU. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ECHO MR. BLACKBURN'S COMMENTS. ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS, CATALYTIC CONVERTERS, THERE CAN'T BE A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES YOU CAN SELL THOSE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE STRATEGIES THAT WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THROUGH OUR MULTIAGENCY APPROACH, IS UTILIZING THE DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES INVESTIGATORS TO DO INSPECTIONS OF RECYCLING FACILITIES.

I'VE THERE'S VARIOUS WAYS TO GET TO CASH IN ON THE VALUE OF THE PRECIOUS METALS.

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AND I MEAN, THEY WERE STRICT.

YEAH. AND SO I JUST IT AMAZES ME BECAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU GET CAUGHT BUYING THOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN TAKE YOUR LICENSE.

SO IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THERE COULDN'T BE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO RISK THAT.

SO WHERE THEY'RE GETTING SOLD WOULD BE VERY SOLD TO IT'D BE VERY INTERESTING.

THAT IS PART OF THE INVESTIGATIONS TO TRY TO TRACK DOWN WHERE THESE SOURCES THAT WE ARREST FOR THE THEFTS, WHERE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE US THE INFORMATION, ASKING THEM AND FOLLOWING UP WITH THEM AND WORK WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO UTILIZE THEM AS SOURCES TO TO TO DETERMINE WHERE.

WHERE ARE THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER MERGING AT.

YEAH, AND I'VE SEEN IT MORE THAN ONCE WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO ARREST SOMEBODY SO OK.

THE OTHER THING IS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LISTEN TONIGHT CLOSELY TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS ASKING, DO YOU THINK INCREASED ENFORCEMENT, MORE TICKETS WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT'S GOING ON THEN? THE STRATEGIES WE'RE USING AT THIS MOMENT? JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE REFERRING TO E-BIKE AND E-BIKE SAFETY? ANYTHING THAT MOVES ON THE ROAD.

ENFORCEMENT IS A PIECE OF IT.

IF I COULD ASK FOR ONE THING FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US IS REALLY TWO PIECES.

ONE, PARENTS THAT HAVE CHILDREN THAT RIDE E-BIKES.

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO HELP EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT THE ROAD, THE WAYS OF THE ROADS, THE RULES OF THE ROADS.

PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON SAFE ROUTES.

AND MAYBE. PUT OFF LIMITS CERTAIN ROUTES THAT AREN'T SO SAFE.

I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND TRAVEL THE ROADWAYS WITH YOUR CHILDREN IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING A PATH TO OR FROM SCHOOL OR TO OR FROM OTHER WAYS AND HELP TALK THEM THROUGH THE FLOWS OF TRAFFIC AND HOW TRAFFIC MERGES OR WHERE THEY'RE WHERE THEIR RISKS LIE SO THAT THEY'RE A BIT MORE AWARE THAN THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN. I THINK THAT'S ONE PIECE.

AND THEN THE SECOND PIECE IS JUST FOR THOSE ALL OF US OUT DRIVING AROUND TO TAKE THE TIME TO BE DEDICATED TO DRIVING WHILE WE'RE DRIVING TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

THE COMMUNITY, NONE OF US COULD STAND ANOTHER TRAGEDY.

AND THAT GOES FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING THE STREET AND RESPONDING TO THESE THE FIREMEN THAT ARE RESPONDING TO THESE TRAGEDIES.

WE'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

WRITING CITATIONS AND ENFORCING THE LAW IS A PIECE OF IT, I BELIEVE.

BUT I REALLY BELIEVE IF WE'RE GOING TO RELY SOLELY ON AN OFFICER OBSERVING SOMEBODY MAKING AN ILLEGAL TURN AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENFORCE THE LAW TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR, WE'RE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES TO PREVENT TRAGEDIES.

AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

AND I THINK JUST ONE LAST COMMENT.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE NEXT YEAR, BUT THE LEDGE COMMITTEE, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO PICK AN AGE OR A CERTAIN.

I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD DESCRIBE THE BIKE, BUT IF IT HAS AN ELECTRIC MOTOR OR IF IT'S ANY WAY, MOTORIZED PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE OR HAVE HAD TO HAVE AT LEAST READ A HANDBOOK ON PROPER SAFETY.

I THINK THAT'S I MEAN, THE BIKES ARE JUST I MEAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING EXPAND SO FAST OR GROW SO QUICKLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY LOOK AT NEXT YEAR AS TO HOW TO MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNGER GENERATION, GETS EDUCATED ON HOW TO RIDE A BIKE. SO WITH THAT, THIS WAS JUST TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE.

AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

VERY WELL DONE.

VERY WELL DONE. OKAY.

MOVING ON, ITEM 12, FISCAL YEAR 2022-23, INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN AND UPDATE ON AUDIT ACTIVITIES.

[12. FISCAL YEAR 2022-23 INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN AND UPDATE ON AUDIT ACTIVITIES]

THANK YOU, SIR. AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS OUR INTERNAL AUDIT MANAGER, ROBERT THREATT.

GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF. APOLOGIZE.

OKAY, THIS EVENING I'LL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH AN INTERNAL AUDIT UPDATE AND A FISCAL YEAR 22-23 INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

DURING THE PRESENTATION, I'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE STATUS OF OPEN INTERNAL AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITY'S PREVIOUS INTERNAL AUDITS.

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AND THEN I'LL PRESENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THE FISCAL YEAR 22-23 INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN.

IT'S THE PROPOSED ACTION THIS EVENING IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAR 22-23 INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN.

I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY FIRST GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S OPEN INTERNAL AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS.

THESE AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH TWO AUDITS IN PARTICULAR.

THAT'S THE CITY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT AUDIT AND THE CITY'S CREDIT CARD PROGRAM AUDIT.

LAST TIME I PROVIDED THIS, THIS COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE WAS MARCH 2022, AN UPDATE REGARDING THE OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS.

AT THAT TIME WE HAD SIX OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS ACROSS THESE TWO AUDITS.

AS I SAID BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE JUST ONLY TWO OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS AND ONE FOR EACH AUDIT.

I FIRST LIKE TO BEGIN BY TALKING ABOUT THE CREDIT CARD PROGRAM AUDIT.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS AUDIT CALLS FOR THE CITY TO FOLLOW STATE EXCUSE ME, STATE OR FEDERAL GUIDELINES ASSOCIATED WITH TRAVEL, TRAVEL EXPENDITURES AND TO ENSURE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THOSE EXPENDITURES.

IN RESPONSE TO THIS AND TO THIS RECOMMENDATION, THE CITY IS GOING TO, AS PART OF A LARGER UPDATE TO THE FISCAL TRAVEL POLICY.

THE CITY IS GOING TO ELECT TO ADOPT THE FEDERAL GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION GUIDELINES, AND THOSE GUIDELINES IDENTIFY THE REIMBURSEMENT LEVELS BY LOCAL AREA.

SO IT PROVIDES CITY STAFF WITH WITH CLEAR GUIDELINES BASED ON MEALS, LODGING AND TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT FOR CERTAIN AREAS WHEREVER THEY'RE TRAVELING TO.

THE SECOND OPEN AUDIT RECOMMENDATION IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM AUDIT.

THE RECOMMENDATION CALLS FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION TO IDENTIFY AND MONITOR KEY METRICS USING THE DATA THE TEAM MAINTAINS IN THE INNER GLOVE SYSTEM.

ENERGOV IS THE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM USED BY A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

BUT CODE ENFORCEMENT USES IT DAILY FOR ENTERING ALL THE REPORTS, ALL THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH CITY BUSINESS OWNERS AND WITH PROPERTY RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL.

IN RESPONSE TO THIS RECOMMENDATION, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IS DEVELOPING A TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION THAT COMMUNICATES TO THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND THE METRICS THAT THEY'RE SEEKING, THEY'RE SEEKING TO TRACK.

AND THEN AFTER THEY HAVE THAT SPECIFICATION TOGETHER, THE IT DEPARTMENT WILL WORK WITH THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SYSTEM CAN PROVIDE, WHAT'S POSSIBLE, WHAT KIND OF REPORTS CAN BE PULLED FROM THE SYSTEM, FROM ENERGOV, AND WHAT KIND OF QUERIES CAN BE PULLED FROM THE SYSTEM? NEXT, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE REGARDING FISCAL YEAR 21-22 INTERNAL AUDIT ACTIVITIES.

AND ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS AN UPDATE BASED ON THE PROGRESS THAT WE MADE TOWARDS LAST YEAR'S INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN.

LAST YEAR'S INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN CONSISTED OF SIX AUDIT ENGAGEMENTS IN TOTAL WE COMPLETED.

TWO OF THE ITEMS WERE COMPLETED IN FULL.

THAT WAS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AUDIT AND THE FRAUD AND ETHICS HOTLINE EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION.

TWO OTHER ITEMS ARE CURRENTLY ONGOING IN PROCESS.

THE FIRST ITEM IS THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX REVIEW.

THAT'S AN ENGAGEMENT THAT WE PERFORM OR HAVE PERFORMED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

IT'S PERFORMED BY A THIRD PARTY CPA FIRM, A LOCAL CPA FIRM.

AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY EVALUATE THE REMITTANCE AND TIMELINESS AND THE ACCURACY OF THE TAX REMITTANCES FROM A SUBSET OF HOTELS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

IT'S TYPICALLY BETWEEN TEN OR 12 HOTELS IN TOTAL.

THE OTHER ITEM THAT'S ONGOING IS THE CITYWIDE RISK ASSESSMENT.

THE CITYWIDE RISK ASSESSMENT.

IT'S COMPRISED OF A RISK ASSESSMENT SURVEY.

THE RISK ASSESSMENT SURVEY IS SENT OUT TO THE LEADERSHIP TEAM AND SELECT MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL, AND THEY'RE ASKED TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY.

AND ONCE THAT SURVEY IS RECEIVED BACK, I THEN PERFORM ONE ON ONE IN SMALL GROUP INTERVIEWS TO DIVE INTO THEIR RESPONSES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR, THEIR KEY PROGRAMS AND KEY PROCESSES AND THEIR RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY.

ULTIMATELY, THAT SURVEY AND THAT WHOLE PROCESS WILL ADD VALUE BY HELPING THE INTERNAL AUDIT PROGRAM IDENTIFY THE VALUE ADDED ENGAGEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS ON THE INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN.

SO IT'S A VERY CALCULATED AND A VERY DETAILED PROCESS TO DEVELOP OUR AUDIT PLAN GOING FORWARD.

AND THIS AUDIT ENGAGEMENT, THE RISK ASSESSMENT SURVEY WILL SERVE SERVE TO IDENTIFY ENGAGEMENTS FOR THAT AUDIT PLAN FOR ONE, TWO YEARS OUT.

SO IT'S A PRETTY MUCH A VALUE ADDED ENGAGEMENT.

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SO NEXT I JUST LIKE TO ITEMIZE AND PROVIDE YOU A QUICK ITEMIZATION OF THE INTERNAL AUDIT ENGAGEMENTS THAT WILL BE THAT ARE INCLUDED ON THE FISCAL YEAR 22-23 INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE PROCUREMENT PROGRAM AUDIT, WHICH I JUST REFERENCED ON THE LAST SLIDE THAT WAS ROLLED FORWARD FROM LAST YEAR.

THE VICE NARCOTICS INTELLIGENCE UNIT BY FUND POLICY REVIEW, THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX REVIEW, AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S THAT'S AN ANNUAL ENGAGEMENT THAT WE DO THAT WE DO EACH YEAR.

THERE'S A PAYROLL PROCESS AUDIT, REVENUE AUDIT.

AND THEN LASTLY, A BUSINESS APPLICATION USER ACCESS REVIEW.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE LAST THREE ENGAGEMENTS YOU SEE THERE ARE OUR CORE CORE EVALUATIONS OF OUR OF OUR FINANCIAL CONTROLS OR FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS CONTROLS. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO ADD A GREAT DEAL OF VALUE TO TO THOSE AREAS, TO EVALUATING OUR INTERNAL CONTROLS AND TO EVALUATING THOSE KEY PROCESSES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE EFFICIENT, EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO REVISIT THE PROPOSED ACTION.

THE PROPOSED ACTION TONIGHT IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAR 2223 INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN.

THANK YOU. SPEAKERS.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS MAYOR.

QUESTIONS? NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY SHAKING THEIR HEAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION OR AN ASK IN.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE ALL READ ABOUT SANDAG IN THE CREDIT CARD AND THE CREDIT CARDS MISUSE.

AND I MEAN, IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S EMBARRASSING IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF EDUCATION THAT WE COULD GIVE NOT ONLY US AS AN ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS ABOUT CREDIT CARD AND CREDIT CARD USE.

AND NOT SO MUCH IN HOW WE AS A CITY, BECAUSE I, I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO FIND A CREDIT CARD, YOU KNOW, HERE AT THE CITY.

BUT OFTEN WE GET ARE DEALING WITH OTHER AGENCIES SUCH AS I WAS DEALING WITH SANDAG AND SOMETIMES THAT GETS TO BE A VERY STICKY QUESTION. SO PERHAPS IF THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS OR WHAT ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO BE AWARE OF ANY TIME A CREDIT CARD MAY OR MAY NOT BE BEING USED.

AND SO I'LL GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF WHEN WHEN THE CEO TAKES OUT TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, FOR A $300 DINNER, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY IT'S UNREPORTED.

BUT, I MEAN, WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK SOMETHING MIGHT BE OK WHEN IT IS AND WHEN IT ISN'T.

SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

JUST TO PROTECT US IN THE FUTURE.

MAYOR, I'M AT A LITTLE BIT OF A LOSS, AND I'M GOING TO LOOK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THAT SPECIFIC ASPECT ABOUT THE EDUCATIONAL FORMAT IS NOT WHAT'S BEFORE COUNCIL. I KNOW THAT.

BUT HE USED HE HE USED THE WORD CREDIT CARD.

SO I WAS SEEING HOW FAR I COULD GO WITH CREDIT CARD.

OK. I'M SORRY, I UNDERSTAND.

I TRIED, BUT WE WILL.

DR. MAYOR, TO THAT THAT QUESTION, WE WILL PROVIDE A MEMO TO COUNSEL THAT EXPLAINS WHAT THE PROCESS IS RELATED TO THE APPROPRIATENESS OF CREDIT CARD EXPENDITURES IN FUTURE. DR.

YOU STARTED TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON THIS.

AND I KNOW I CAN SAY THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF PASSION FOR AUDITING.

LIKE IT'S VERY APPARENT, I CAN TELL.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, THAT IN THE PAST PRESENTATIONS, I'VE NOTICED IT AS WELL AND I KNOW IT'S SO LATE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE YOU STILL HAVE THAT SAME AMOUNT OF PASSION AND LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT TRANSPARENCY TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.

I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.

THANK YOU. MR. BLACKBURN MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

ITEM 12 PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

REPORTS, ANY REPORTS MR. BLACKBURN? DR. ANYTHING TO REPORT OUT?

[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS]

COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YES, JUST JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, WE HAD A WONDERFUL STATE OF THE CITY PRESENTATION SERIES WITH VIDEO AND COMMENTS FROM ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS YESTERDAY AT SHULMAN AUDITORIUM AT DOVE LIBRARY.

AND I KNOW THAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS ALSO HOSTING AN EVENT THIS FRIDAY FEATURING THE MAYOR DOING A STATE OF THE COMMUNITY.

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I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN ATTENDING THE INSTITUTE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS RETREAT.

SO I WILL NOT BE THERE, BUT I'M SURE IT WILL BE A GOOD ONE.

AND I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR IS EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S HIS LAST ONE.

SO THANK YOU. YES, MR. NORBY. NO REPORT.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER OR DR.

BHAT-PATEL? YES.

I FORGOT TO MENTION.

SO FOR THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, WE DID HAVE OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, AND DURING THAT I WAS VOTED AS THE DIVISION PRESIDENT.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE SERVING IN THAT PARTICULAR CAPACITY AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE.

OF COURSE, I KNOW COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA WILL BE THERE AS THE YOU KNOW CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE, BUT REALLY EXCITED THAT THE TWO OF US WILL BE THERE TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY PROVIDE MORE REPRESENTATION FROM THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

CONGRATULATIONS. WELL DONE.

VERY WELL DONE. THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO REPORT OUT, AND I THINK YOU'VE ALL SEEN IT, WAS THE RECENT LITIGATION WHERE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY WAS, AGAIN, SUCCESSFUL, AND THAT DID BRING SOME MONEY BACK TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THAT WILL GO DIRECTLY TOWARDS OUR RATE REDUCTIONS.

SO I ALSO NEED TO REPORT OUT THAT THIS FRIDAY, AS WAS JUST SAID, THAT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, STATE OF THE COMMUNITY AT THE WESTERN CARLSBAD RESORT AND SPA, THAT'S 5480 GRAND PACIFIC DRIVE.

AND TUESDAY, CONGRESSMAN MIKE LEVIN'S CHECK PRESENTATION TO CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL FOR THE BARRIO LIGHTING AND TRAFFIC CIRCLES.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AT 755 CHESTNUT AVENUE.

SO AND THAT'S AT 9 A.M., AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS AT 11 A.M..

MR. CHADWICK. NOTHING TO REPORT, SIR.

CITY ATTORNEY.

NOTHING, THANK YOU, MAYOR. CITY CLERK.

NOTHING, THANK YOU. OKAY, WE STAND ADJOURNED.

WELL DONE, EVERYONE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.