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[CALL TO ORDER]
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COMMISSIONER MEENES.THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, ROLL CALL, WHICH EACH COMMISSIONER PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME.
AND FOR THE RECORD, CHAIR STINE IS ABSENT.
SO CHAIR STINE IS ABSENT AND CURRENTLY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO IS ABSENT.
LET IT BE SHOWN THAT THERE'S FIVE OF US.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NEXT ITEM FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE JULY 20TH MEETING, 2022.I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING, SO.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 20TH MEETING? THE ONLY POSSIBLE CORRECTION I HAVE AND COMMISSIONER MERZ CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I DON'T THINK YOU SECONDED YOURSELF TO BE THE ACTING CHAIR.
I WOULDN'T PUT IT PAST ME, BUT I DON'T RECALL DOING THAT SO.
AND I DON'T RECALL WHO DID, BUT I'M ALMOST CERTAIN IT WAS NOT YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MEETING MINUTES? OTHER THAN THAT, I'D MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAR THE VOTE AND REDO IT.
JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT TO CLEAR IT.
WE'RE GOING TO REVOTE. SO JUST GIVE ME ONE MOMENT AND I'LL TELL YOU WHEN IT'S READY.
I'M NOT SURE WHY. I GUESS WE'LL JUST TRY ONE MORE TIME.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO CLEAR IT AND JUST PLEASE CLEAR YOUR YOUR VOTES.
ONE MOMENT. [INAUDIBLE] NOW YOU CAN VOTE.
IT'S NOT WORKING. SO MAYBE WE JUST DO THE HANDS FOR THIS TIME.
VICE CHAIR LAFFERTY IF YOU COULD CALL THE VOTE AGAIN, PLEASE, COULD WE RAISE HANDS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE MEETING? APPROVE AND ABSTAIN.
SO LET THE RECORD SHOW THE VOTE PASSES FOUR WITH ONE ABSTENTION.
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SO WITH THE NEXT STEP, THE NEW PROCEDURES FOLLOWING CHANGES THAT ARE NOW IN EFFECT REGARDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PROCEDURES, WE WILL REQUIRE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM FOR ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HEARING.REQUESTS TO SPEAK FORMS MUST BE TURNED IN TO THE MINUTES CLERK PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING.
THIS WILL ALLOW SPEAKER TIME TO BE MANAGED IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.
ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN 3 MINUTES UNLESS THAT TIME IS REDUCED BY THE CHAIRPERSON.
SPEAKERS MAY NOT GIVE THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER.
GROUP TIME WILL BE PERMITTED FOR ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THOSE SPEAKERS ON BEHALF OF A GROUP HAVE 10 MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS CHANGED BY THE CHAIRPERSON, THE CITY PLANNER WILL CALL THE NAMES OF THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER.
THE REQUESTS TO SPEAK ARE RECEIVED.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THAT IS WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MR. STRONG. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS? WE DO NOT. NO, WE DO NOT.
THANK YOU, SEEING NONE WE WILL BEGIN TONIGHT'S HEARING.
[1. UPDATE ON SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD COASTLINE PROJECT AND SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD CLIMATE ADAPTATION PROJECT]
THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR AND BEFORE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE FIRST ITEM, WE DID HAVE WRITTEN COMMUNICATION SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE FULL COMMISSION AS A HARD COPY AT THE DAIS.THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM, AND IT'S AN UPDATE ON THE SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD COASTLINE PROJECT IN SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD CLIMATE ADAPTATION PROJECT HERE, PRESENTING AS TOM FRANK AND KATIE HENDRICK WITH ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS AND TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN JUST FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO HAS ARRIVED AT 5:12.
AND WITH ME IS TOM FRANK, THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND THE CITY ENGINEER.
THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MR. FRANK, WHO WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROJECT OPTIONS.
WE'LL CONCLUDE WITH NEXT STEPS AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CITY ASKED THE PUBLIC TO SHARE THEIR PRIORITIES FOR A THREE MILE STRETCH OF CARLSBAD BOULEVARD FROM MANZANO DRIVE TO LA COSTA AVENUE, INCLUDING THE ROAD ITSELF AND THE PUBLIC LAND THAT COULD BE FREED UP IF THE ROAD WERE RECONFIGURED.
THIS THREE MILE STRETCH IS SEEN IN ORANGE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT AREA HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN THE BLUE AND ORANGE DASHES.
TO GIVE ANOTHER SENSE OF WHAT THE ONE MILE PROJECT AREA INCLUDES.
THIS MAP SHOWS THE CITY OWNED LAND OR CITY RIGHT OF WAY IN BLUE, OVERLAID WITH LAND OWNED BY THE STATE WHICH IS IN ORANGE. SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD CLIMATE ADAPTATION PROJECT IS FUNDED BY A GRANT FROM THE STATE COASTAL CONSERVANCY. AND THE INTENT OF THE GRANT IS TO MAXIMIZE THE ROADWAYS RESILIENCY TO COASTAL FLOODING AND CLIFF EROSION NEAR PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND LOS ENCINAS CREEK. SOUTHBOUND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD IS CURRENTLY EXPOSED TO BLUFF, EROSION HAZARDS AND PERIODIC FLOODING, RESULTING IN BEACH COBBLE ON THE ROADWAY, SURFACE AND LANE CLOSURES. THE PHOTO ON THIS SLIDE SHOWS ONE OF THESE CLOSURES.
AS INDICATED IN THE CITY'S SEA LEVEL RISE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FROM 2017.
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BY THE YEAR 2050, THERE IS A HIGH RISK OF DAMAGE TO CARLSBAD BOULEVARD DUE TO SEA LEVEL RISE BECAUSE OF THE BLUFF, EROSION AND FLOODING.HOWEVER, STAFF ARE PURSUING A TIME EXTENSION TO ALLOW MORE TIME FOR STAFF TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY AND ADDRESS ISSUES AND IMPACTS RELATED TO THE OPTIONS. COMPONENTS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT HAVE BEEN UNDERWAY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, INCLUDING DISCUSSIONS AND ANALYSIS REGARDING ROADWAY ALIGNMENT AND THE LOS ENCINAS CREEK REVETMENT.
DUE TO THE HISTORY OF EROSION AND INSTABILITY ALONG CARLSBAD BOULEVARD NEAR LOS ENCINAS CREEK, PLACEMENT OF ROCK SHORELINE PROTECTION TOOK PLACE FROM 2009 TO 2016. SOME OF THIS PLACEMENT TOOK PLACE DURING WAVE EVENTS THAT LED TO PARTIAL CLOSURE OF THE ROADWAY AND EMERGENCY REPAIR WORK LIKE THE ONE SEEN IN THE PHOTO I SHOWED PREVIOUSLY. THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION PERMIT, GRANTED AT THIS TIME WAS CONDITIONAL ON THE COMPLETION OF ANALYSIS OF VIABLE ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS AREA.
ITEMS IN THE GRANT SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT OF CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS AND ALTERNATIVES THAT INCORPORATE RESILIENCY TO COASTAL FLOODING, CLIFF EROSION AND OTHER SEA LEVEL RISE IMPACTS WHICH MR. FRANK WILL WALK THROUGH LATER.
THE SCOPE ALSO INCLUDES A CLIFF EROSION ASSESSMENT TO INFORM THE DELIVERABLES FOR THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS A RESTORATION ANALYSIS OF LAS ENCINAS CREEK, WHICH EXPLORES ADAPTATION OPTIONS FOR THE EXISTING BRIDGE ROADWAY AND REVETMENT AT THE CREEK, AS WELL AS HABITAT RESTORATION OPTIONS FOR THE AREA.
ALL OF THIS WORK INFORMS THE EASTWARD RELOCATION OF THE ROADWAY.
THE PROJECT TEAM ALSO CONDUCTED LISTENING SESSIONS WITH CITY STAFF AND KEY STAKEHOLDERS, AND THESE COVERED TOPICS SUCH AS COASTAL ACCESS, ROAD USE AND REALIGNMENT, RECREATIONAL SPACES AND NATURAL OPEN SPACE.
PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THIS PROJECT BEGAN IN EARLY 2022, AND THE COMMUNITY WAS ASKED TO SHARE THEIR PRIORITIES, NEEDS AND VALUES RELATED TO THE FUTURE USE OF THE ENTIRETY OF SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD.
AND THOSE WERE PROVIDED AS ATTACHMENTS ONE AND TWO RESPECTIVELY IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
THE WORK COMPLETED TO DATE WAS USED TO PREPARE THE PROJECT OPTIONS THAT MR. FRANK WILL NOW WALK YOU THROUGH.
THE CONSULTANT HAS DEVELOPED THE DATE AS A PART OF THE DRAFT STUDY.
NEXT SLIDE. SO ACTUALLY PREVIOUS SLIDE.
SORRY. SO LET'S START WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION CARLSBAD BOULEVARD WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA OPERATES AS A FOUR LANE VEHICULAR SECTION WITH TWO VEHICULAR LANES IN EACH DIRECTION SPLIT BY A LARGE LANDSCAPED MEDIAN.
BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND DIRECTIONS HAVE BUFFERED BIKE LANES.
COUNTS WERE COLLECTED AS A PART OF THE CARLSBAD ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MONITORING PROGRAM IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR ALONG CARLSBAD BOULEVARD BETWEEN AVENIDA ENCINAS AND PONTO ROAD.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE WEEKDAY VEHICULAR COUNTS FOR AROUND 10,000 TRIPS, WEEKENDS IT WENT UP TO 14,000 TRIPS FOR VEHICLES, FOR VEHICLES. WEEKDAY, THE BICYCLE COUNTS WERE ABOUT 800 COUNTS.
AND WEEKEND BY COUNTS GOES UP TO 2,500 COUNTS A WEEK.
PEDESTRIAN COUNTS ARE RANGING BETWEEN 150 FOR WEEKDAY, UP TO 400 PER DAY DURING THE WEEKEND.
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SO AS YOU CAN SEE, BY THESE COUNTS, THIS ROADWAY IS NOT ONLY MOVES A HIGH VOLUME OR NOT A HIGH VOLUME, BUT VEHICLE TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO HIGH VOLUMES OF PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES. AS NOTED WITHIN THE MONITORING REPORT, THIS SECTION SAW THE LARGEST WEEKEND BIKE COUNTS AND THE SECOND LARGEST WEEKDAY BIKE COUNTS OUT OF ALL THE 26 SEGMENTS THROUGHOUT CARLSBAD.NEXT SLIDE. SO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PRIOR DISCUSSION, PUBLIC VETTING AND DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED THIS STUDY. THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, APPROVED IN 2015, GAVE SOUTH CARLSBAD BOULEVARD A NEW DESIGNATION AS A COASTAL STREET.
INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENCOURAGE BICYCLING SUCH AS BUFFERED BIKE LANES OR SEPARATED BIKE LANES.
NEXT SLIDE. AS A PART OF THE PUBLIC INPUT REPORT THAT'S PROVIDED AS EXHIBIT ONE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, IT REFERENCES COMMUNITY PRIORITIES FOR FUTURE ROADWAY DESIGNS, WHICH INCLUDE ALL THE FOLLOWING ITEMS TO IMPLEMENT A COMPLETE STREET, INCLUDING SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC ALONG THE COASTLINE, LESS NOISE AND AIR POLLUTION FROM THE TRAFFIC WHEN ENJOYING THE COAST AND THE OTHERS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE.
NEXT SLIDE. WHILE THE PROJECT SCOPE INCLUDES PRELIMINARY OPTIONS FOR ROADWAY REALIGNMENT THAT INCLUDE MULTI-USE PATHWAYS, THERE WILL BE FURTHER STUDY DELIVERABLES THAT FOCUS ON PUBLIC ACCESS AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES.
THE PROJECT MEMO WILL CAPTURE PUBLIC INPUT RECEIVED AND OTHER ANALYSIS PREPARED, AS WELL AS LISTS OF CONCEPTS FOR THESE AMENITIES FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS NEEDED TO REFINE AND DESIGN THE PUBLIC ACCESS AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES BEYOND THE LIMITS OF THIS STUDY.
ANY FURTHER WORK ON THESE IMPORTANT TOPICS WILL INCLUDE PLENTY OF PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITY.
NEXT SLIDE. SO NOW LET'S REVIEW THE ACTUAL OPTIONS PRESENTED IN THE REPORT.
AND BEFORE WE START WITH THE THREE PRESENTED OPTIONS, WE ALWAYS RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A DO NOTHING OPTION OR THE EXISTING CURRENT CONDITIONS, ALTHOUGH THIS OPTION DOES NOT MEET THE GOALS OF THE STUDY.
THE OTHER THREE PRELIMINARY CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OPTIONS ARE PROVIDED IN EXHIBIT THREE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, AND THESE INCLUDE A FOUR LANE ROAD WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS, A TWO LANE ROADWAY WITH ROUNDABOUTS AND A TWO LANE ROAD WITH ROUNDABOUTS AND ONE ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
SO NOW LET'S REVIEW THE THREE OPTIONS FOR THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS.
AND THIS IS OPTION NUMBER ONE.
THIS IS THE FOUR LANE ROAD WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
THE LEGEND SHOWS THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED CLASS ONE TRAIL, AND THAT'S A SHARED PATHWAY THAT COULD BE USED BY BOTH BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS.
THEN A SEPARATED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, THE ROADWAY ITSELF, A BRIDGE AND COASTAL HAZARD ZONE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THAT YELLOWISH ORANGE COLOR.
THE OBJECTIVE IS TO MOVE THE CORE STREET INFRASTRUCTURE OUT OF THE COASTAL HAZARD ZONE TO THE EAST.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE AS FAR AS THE EASTERN ALIGNMENT.
SO THE CLASS ONE FACILITY IS A SHARED PATHWAY FOR THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AND OTHER STANDARD MOTOR MODES OF TRAVEL, INCLUDING STROLLERS OR SKATEBOARDS OR OTHER LOW SPEED USES.
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PATHWAY. ALTHOUGH THE ALIGNMENT IS ONLY VIABLE AS LONG AS THIS AREA IS AVAILABLE, SO ONCE IT ERODES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE EAST. THERE MAY BE SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF CLASS ONE AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY ALIGNMENTS AS THE COASTLINE ERODES AND CHANGES IN THE FUTURE.FINAL DELIVERABLES FOR THIS PROJECT WILL INCLUDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO PHASE THIS ADAPTATION OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE COASTAL HAZARD ZONE, INCLUDING THE CLASS ONE PATHWAY.
THE PLANS ALSO DEPICT A RIGHT AWAY LINE WITH THE ADJACENT CLASS ONE AND BIKE OR EXCUSE ME, SIDEWALK OR PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, WHICH KATIE IS POINTING TO WITH THEIR CURSOR.
THIS AREA WILL BE PLANNED AND RESERVED FOR THE MOST EASTERLY ALIGNMENT OF THE CLASS ONE AND THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY WHEN NEEDED DUE TO THE CHANGING COASTLINE.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL OPTION WITH FOUR VEHICULAR LANES AND IT WOULD SHIFT THE SOUTHBOUND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD LANES TO THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE EXISTING NORTHBOUND CONFIGURATION.
NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE'S THE CROSS-SECTIONS FOR THIS OPTION.
AND IF YOU LOOK STARTING AT THE CROSS SECTION TO THE RIGHT AND THE UPPER RIGHT AND WE'LL START JUST AT THE MEDIAN, WHAT IT SHOWS IS, IS A FOUR FOOT MEDIAN TO SEPARATE THE TWO DIRECTIONS AND THEN TWO VEHICULAR TRAVEL LANES.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE BUFFERED BIKE LANES, THE BUFFERS THREE FEET WITH AN EIGHT FOOT BIKE LANE.
AND THEN ON THE INLAND SIDE TO THE RIGHT IS AN EIGHT FOOT WALKWAY.
THEN SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY THE SEPARATED CLASS ONE FACILITIES.
AND THE THEN SEPARATED AGAIN PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK LIKE, WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MUCH SPACE DEDICATED TO BOTH? YOU HAVE LIKE TWO BIKE LANES ON THIS CROSS SECTION AS WELL AS A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
SO WHY IS SO MUCH SPACE DEDICATED? AND THE REASON WHY WE OFFER TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF BICYCLE PATHWAYS IS THE CLASS ONE PATHWAY, AS I MENTIONED, IS USED FOR THE LOWER SPEED MODES.
SO YOU REALLY NEED TO BOTH OF THOSE PATHWAYS DESIGNED INTO AN A ROAD SEGMENT.
BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE TIME TO EXPLAIN THE NEED BECAUSE THAT QUESTION OFTEN COMES UP IS LIKE AND THEN THE SECOND ISSUE IS, IS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DEDICATING A LOT OF SPACE TO NON VEHICULAR NEEDS.
MR. FRANK, I. MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
WITH RESPECT TO SHIFTING THIS UP TO THE EAST A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS YOUR CROSS SECTION IS.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO SHIFT IT UP TO THE EAST, THE RIGHT AWAY, HAVE YOU THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS LEFT THAT'S ALONG THAT COASTAL AREA THAT'S BEING AFFECTED.
HOW ARE YOU TREATING THAT OR WHERE IS THIS ON THIS CROSS SECTION? ARE YOU PICKING UP ANY EXTRA FEET ON THAT? IS THAT IN THE LANDSCAPED AREA OR WHAT WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT? YEAH, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT OPTION AND I CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, EXACTLY. SO OH AND THEN SORRY TWO SLIDES FROM NOW, I'LL ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
SO THIS, THIS CROSS SECTIONS HERE SHOW THE SEGMENT AS IT'S CROSSING THE BRIDGE.
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THE THE ROADWAY SECTION OUT THROUGH THE CLASS TO BIKE LANES IS RELATIVELY THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SAW IN THE EARLIER CROSS SECTION.BUT IN THE BRIDGE WE OFFER THE A BARRIER, A MEDIAN BARRIER THAT SEPARATES THE CLASS TWO THEN FROM A SEPARATED CLASS, ONE FACILITY AND THEN A SEPARATE SIDEWALK.
SO IF YOU CAN ENVISION THAT OVER THE LAS ENCINAS CREEK AREA, THAT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL VIEWING AREA.
AND THEN THE LOWER CROSS SECTION IS SHOWN IN THE ULTIMATE CONFIGURATION WHEN THE COASTLINE ERODES AND THE CURRENT SOUTHBOUND LANES ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
SO NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS JUST IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PARTICULAR INTERSECTIONS, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, BUT IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL AND IT DEPICTS WHAT I SHOWED IN THAT CROSS SECTION.
SO IT'S JUST AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE.
WE NOTED THE COASTAL ACCESS OPPORTUNITY POINTS.
SO THERE'S ONE CLOSE TO PALOMAR AIRPORT HERE.
THIS IS WHAT THEY REFER TO AS TURNAROUND.
SO WE DO HAVE AN ACCESS INTERSECTION TO MAINTAIN THAT STATE PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THE DETAILED DESIGN OF THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT.
WE ARE ADDRESSING THAT WITH THIS DESIGN AND THEN.
AND THEN HERE'S A ZOOMED IN BLOW UP OF THE SOUTHERN PORTION GOING DOWN TO ISLAND WAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE BRIDGE 500 SPAN BRIDGE SHOWN THERE AND YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE CONNECTIONS FOR IF THERE'S A TIME WHEN THE LAS ENCINAS CREEK IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE, WE STILL HAVE A CONNECTION FROM THE CLASS ONE AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY TO UTILIZE THE BRIDGE CROSSING AND THEN HOPEFULLY CONTINUE FURTHER WEST ALONG THE COASTLINE.
NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE'S OPTION TWO.
THIS IS OUR TWO LANE ROADWAY WITH ROUNDABOUT OPTIONS.
AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK I CAN ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT LAND THAT'S FREED UP ESSENTIALLY IF WE DO MOVE THE ROADWAY FROM THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT TO THE EAST? AND SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LARGER VIEW IS WE'RE PROPOSING WHILE IT'S AVAILABLE, IF WE GO WITH WHAT'S DEEMED THE PHASED RETREAT OPTION, IS TO USE THAT SPACE AS A COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO PROVIDE THAT CLASS ONE AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT EXISTING ROADWAY.
SO THAT'S AVAILABLE WHILE IT'S AVAILABLE.
BUT AS IT ERODES, WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE THAT INLAND SO THAT THAT AREA THEN LIKE THE LARGER FREED UP AREA THAT YOU SEE LIKE AROUND PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND THINGS, WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THAT AS A PART OF THIS STUDY THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER TIME.
AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THIS WILL COME BEFORE YOU MANY TIMES BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET INTO GOING OUT TO BID AND GOING THROUGH THE BID PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY CONSTRUCTING A PROJECT.
SO DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS OR DID YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT SPACE? WELL, SINCE YOU SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE COMING TO US MAYBE MANY MORE TIMES, I'M MORE A PROCESS PERSON.
SO THIS THIS IS A GRANT, I'M ASSUMING.
CORRECT. YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION.
SO THE GRANT IS FOR THE STUDY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
THEN AS FAR AS PUTTING IT OUT TO BID WHAT MONEYS COME WITH THIS, IT'S OBTAINED THROUGH THE GRANT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE DOING.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO COVER THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
BUT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND WE'LL ANSWER ALL THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE MR. LANCASTER HERE WHO COMES FROM PARKS AND AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY INTEGRATION OR PHASING OR CONSIDERATION OR HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO DOVETAIL IN, IF AT ALL. ABSOLUTELY.
SO. SO THIS IS OPTION TWO AND I'LL GO THROUGH IT MUCH QUICKER.
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SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE BIG CHANGE.AND JUST ON A HIGH LEVEL, PEOPLE ASK LIKE, HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? ISN'T THAT GOING TO IMPACT THE CAPACITY OF THE ROADWAY? AND ROUNDABOUTS OFFER A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT INTERSECTION CONTROL.
SO THE TYPICALLY THE CONGESTION IS CONTROLLED AT THE INTERSECTIONS.
SO JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY A COMMON QUESTION.
SO HERE'S THE RELATED CROSS SECTIONS.
AND AGAIN, WE CAN START IN THE UPPER RIGHT CROSS SECTION AT THE MEDIAN.
SO IN THIS OPTION, YOU SEE ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND THEN THE BUFFERED BIKE LANES YOU HAVE STILL THE LID LANDSCAPED AREA IS AVAILABLE ALONG WITH THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THE SEPARATED CLASS ONE BIKE AND PED PATH AS WELL AS THE SEPARATED PEDESTRIAN TRAIL WHERE YOUR PATHWAY.
NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN HERE'S THE CROSS SECTION AT THE BRIDGE, VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR CROSS SECTIONS, YOU SEE THE BARRIER THAT'S SEPARATING THE CLASS TWO FROM THE CLASS ONE AND THE SIDEWALK ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
NEXT SLIDE. AND SO HERE'S A BLOW UP OF THAT OPTION NUMBER TWO.
SO IN THIS, ALL THE THE CALL OUTS ARE THE SAME.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE RECONFIGURED MORE OF A TEED UP INTERSECTION AT PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD.
HERE'S A SOUTHERLY PORTION OF THAT OF THE SEGMENT.
AND THIS AGAIN SHOWS THE BRIDGE WITH TRAIL OPTION GOING UP TO THE BRIDGE WHEN LAS ENCINAS CREEK IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE OR THE AREA AROUND LAS ENCINAS CREEK.
AND THEN YOU'LL NOTE THE ROUNDABOUT AT ISLAND WAY.
AND BECAUSE OF SPACE CONSTRAINTS, WE COULD NOT DESIGN IN THE ENTRY POINT TO THAT PARKING LOT TO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SHOW THAT IN THE SOUTHBOUND LANES BEFORE THE INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THE EXIT ACTUALLY TIES INTO THE INTERSECTION AT ISLAND WAY.
AND THEN PLEASE NOTE THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS WITHIN THE COASTAL HAZARD ZONE.
SO NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS OPTION THREE AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT ISSUE IN FURTHER SLIDE THAT'S BLOWN UP.
BUT BASICALLY, WE THIS OPTION PROVIDES THE BENEFIT OF GETTING THAT INTERSECTION CONTROL OR THAT INTERSECTION OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HAZARD ZONE. SO THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THIS OPTION.
NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE'S A BLOWN UP VIEW OF THAT.
SO YOU SEE THE ROUNDABOUT IS REPLACED WITH A NON VEHICULAR CONTROLLED INTERSECTION.
SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE EXITING SOLAMAR DRIVE CAN ONLY EXIT GOING, RIGHT.
AND SO IF THEY WANTED TO GO SOUTHBOUND, THEY'D EXIT GOING RIGHT.
SO IF YOU EVER DRIVE SOUTH THROUGH ENCINITAS TOWARDS SWAMIS, THEY HAVE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO HERE.
AND THEN HERE'S THE SOUTHERN PORTION.
AND THIS IS IDENTICAL TO OPTION TWO.
AND HERE'S A SIMILAR CROSS SECTION TO VERY SIMILAR IDENTICAL TO OPTION TWO ACTUALLY SAY I WON'T SAY ANYTHING IN ADDITION UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE.
SAME. THIS IS A BRIDGE PORTION THAT'S IDENTICAL TO OPTION TWO.
NEXT SLIDE. AND SO REGARDING THIS OPTION ANALYSIS, THAT BASICALLY COVERS MY DESCRIPTION OF THE THREE OPTIONS. AND IN OUR REPORT, WE DID COMPLETE THIS OPTIONS ANALYSIS AND FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN
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OPTIONS, THE DESIGN TEAM POPULATED THE BEGINNING OF A MATRIX TO ADDRESS THE PROJECT GOALS, THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, AND MAJOR THEMES TO COMMENTS RECEIVED DURING THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, WHICH IS SHOWN ON ON THE SLIDE.I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHICH ARE THE ROWS TO YOUR LEFT, AND THEN YOU SEE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE KEY POINTS WHICH WE'RE ADDRESSING HERE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT OPTIONS TWO AND OPTIONS THREE DO RATE HIGHER THAN OPTION ONE.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THE TIME NOW TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS, BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IN REGARDS TO ANY ANYTHING SHOWN ON THIS. OPTIONS ANALYSIS SLIDE.
THE NEXT STEPS IS WE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK TO A SPECIAL MEETING ACTUALLY TOMORROW, RIGHT, TO OUR TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION TO GIVE THEM GIVE THEM AN UPDATE, TELLING THEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETING A TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THEM BEFORE WE BRING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
WE'LL INITIATE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY COLLECTING DATA AND WORKING ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THE GRANT DOES NOT FUND ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS FOR THE TRAFFIC ROADWAY ANALYSIS OR CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S A KEY POINT AND ALL GRANT DELIVERABLES ARE DUE CURRENTLY BY FEBRUARY OF 2023, ALTHOUGH WE DID ARE PURSUING A GRANT EXTENSION.
AND THEN LASTLY, BEYOND THIS STUDY, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL WORK THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET.
SO THE FUTURE OF THIS PROJECT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF CITY COUNCIL.
SO OUR RECOMMENDED ACTIONS TONIGHT WILL BE TO ACCEPT OR RECEIVE THIS REPORT AND TO RECEIVE YOUR COMMENTS IN ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND YOU WERE LOOKING AT WEEKDAYS, WEEKENDS.
QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, IS THAT LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS OPTIONS OF ROUNDABOUTS VERSUS TRAFFIC SIGNALS, FOUR LANES VERSUS TWO LANES, ETC., TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, IS THERE A TRIGGER POINT WHERE ROUNDABOUTS POSSIBLY SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC TO A PARTICULAR LEVEL DOESN'T WORK WITH THE PARTICULAR NUMBERS OF TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT YOU HAVE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA? IS THERE HOW DOES THAT FALL INTO PLACE IN REGARD TO WHAT OUR NUMBERS LOOK LIKE AND FEASIBILITY? COULD YOU JUST EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT FOR ME? YEAH, RIGHT. THERE'S ACTUALLY FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT WE FOLLOW WHEN COMPLETING TRAFFIC STUDIES, AND THAT APPLIES TO BOTH TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND ROUNDABOUTS.
BUT IN CORRIDORS THAT HAVE BEEN REDESIGNED FROM FOUR OR FIVE LANE CORRIDORS TO TWO LANE CORRIDORS WITH ROUNDABOUTS, A GREAT CASE STUDY EXAMPLE IS BIRD ROCK DOWN IN LA HOYA AREA.
AND SO LA HOYA VILLAGE OR LA HOYA BOULEVARD IN THAT AREA WAS A FIVE LANE CONFIGURATION WITH A CENTER TURN LANE, AND THEY WERE EXPERIENCING 21,000 TRIPS PER DAY AND AND THEY INSTALLED THE ROUNDABOUTS AND THEY ACTUALLY GOT LESS CONGESTION AGAIN BECAUSE THE ROUNDABOUTS ARE MORE, MORE EFFICIENT. SO THE UPPER RANGE OF A ROUNDABOUT, IT CAN TYPICALLY HANDLE LIKE 20,080 [INAUDIBLE] WITH A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT 80 IS AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS. EXCUSE ME, I'VE GOT TO GET AWAY FROM THAT ENGINEERING JARGON AND THE UPWARD RANGE FOR THE ROUND SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT IS 25,000 TRIPS PER DAY. SO YEAH, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
BUT SAME WITH, WITH WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING SIGNAL INTERSECTIONS, WE, THERE ARE GUIDELINES WHICH WE LOOK AT, WE TAKE THE COUNTS, WE, WE MODEL IT USING NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AND STATE RECOGNIZED GUIDELINES.
SECOND QUESTION FOR YOU, IN REGARD TO THE BARRIER BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC AND THE BIKE LANES.
YES. WHAT DOES THAT BARRIER LOOK LIKE AT LEAST? WHAT IS THERE IS THERE A DESIGN THAT'S LOOKED THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT? OR IS IS THAT INTO THE FUTURE? YOU'RE SAYING IT'S IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
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SO I WOULD I WOULD SEE THAT AS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR AN LID, WHAT I CALL A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AREA.SO IT COULD PROVIDE STORMWATER FILTRATION ALONG WITH VEGETATION.
WE SHOWED A FOUR LANE WIDE MEDIAN.
AND YEAH, I PREFER LANDSCAPING OVER HARDSCAPE AND WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS, BUT THAT'S A DESIGN DECISION THAT WILL WE'LL BE LISTENING TO WHAT THE PUBLIC INPUT SAYS AND TO BE DETERMINED.
LASTLY LASTLY, LAST QUESTION FOR RIGHT NOW IN REGARD TO THE GRANT, YOU INDICATED FEBRUARY 23 FOR THIS PARTICULAR GRANT, IS THERE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU NEED TO EXTEND THIS STUDY OR GO INTO THE NEXT STEP OF A SECONDARY STUDY LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE, SOME MORE CONSERVATORY GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR THIS PURPOSE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? YEAH, I'LL START OFF WITH THIS AND SEE IF I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND KATIE MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER AS WELL.
SO YEAH, THIS SCOPE IS WELL DEFINED, BUT WHEN WE COMPLETE THIS STUDY, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A 30% DESIGN THAT WE CAN CONTINUE ON AND PURSUE GRANTS.
BUT OF COURSE WE WE WOULDN'T PURSUE ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET FURTHER DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL.
SO YEAH, THE INTENT IS TO COMPLETE THIS STUDY, TO HAVE A VIABLE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE AND THEN TO SEEK GRANT FUNDS TO FURTHER THE PROJECT IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MEENES. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER MERZ.
YEAH. THANK YOU. IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
YOU MENTIONED THE HIGH LEVEL STUDIES ARE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ON ROUNDABOUTS.
IT WAS, HE SAYS, AROUND 25,000, I THINK IT WAS.
THAT'S THE UPPER LIMIT FOR A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT.
YEAH. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SPECIFICS OF IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT AREAS EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT THINGS, WHETHER IT'S HIGH CROSS STREET TRAFFIC OR PEDESTRIAN VOLUMES.
SO ALL THOSE FACTORS ARE CONSIDERED IN WHEN WE'RE MODELING THEM.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A FASCINATING DATA POINT.
SO IT SEEMS THAT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SEEING 25 AND I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF THE BEST PLAN THERE.
SO IT'S LIKE IT'S VERY IT'S A VERY TELLING STATISTIC THAT HE GAVE ON BURDOCK.
SO, YEAH, SO SO THAT'S A TELLING STATISTIC.
SO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL AS WELL.
AND SO YEAH, THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUT SEEMS TO BE FUNCTIONING VERY WELL.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CHANGES WERE RECENTLY DONE FROM THE VERY, YOU KNOW, THE BORDER OF CARLSBAD, ENCINITAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT NEW RESORT CAME IN. AND THEY PUT THAT ROUND ABOUT AND THEY DID WITH THE GREEN BIKE [INAUDIBLE], WHEREVER THEY CALL THOSE.
I MEAN, ARE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS PRETTY SIMILAR ALONG THERE AS THEY ARE? I WOULD ASSUME THEY'D BE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE SEE HERE.
THEY ARE, IN FACT, VERY SIMILAR.
YEAH. AND AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE THE SINGLE LANE THAT'S IN IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THE WEAKEST LINK RIGHT NOW THAT GOING RIGHT INTO CARLSBAD. IS IT DOES THAT SECTION SEEM LIKE IT'S HOLDING UP OKAY IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION WITH THE WITH THE ROUNDABOUTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN ENCINITAS AND OUTSIDE YOUR JURISDICTION? THAT'S A NEW IMPROVEMENT.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY FOLLOW UP STUDIES ON IT.
A BIG PROBLEM GOING ON DOWN WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT'S OUTSIDE OF CARLSBAD, BUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER LUNA? SO, MR. FRANK, VERY QUICKLY, ASSUMING YOU GET YOUR EXTENSION, YOU GET YOUR FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE STUDY, I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE TO DO.
CRYSTAL BALL OUT A FEW YEARS IS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ASSUMING I DON'T KNOW OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST PASSED THIS BIG BILL MAYBE YOU COULD TAP INTO LIKE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MILLION HERE OR THERE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THAT'D BE NICE, WOULDN'T THAT.
WHEN WOULD WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE ACTUALLY GOING TO CONSTRUCTION? YEAH, IT'S IT'S FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TWO YEARS.
SOUNDS LIKE A REASONABLE I'LL CALL IT A GUESSTIMATE.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR GUESS REALLY AT THIS POINT IS AS GOOD AS MINE.
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AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON SO MANY FACTORS.THE NEXT BIG STEP WOULD BE TO GET COUNCIL DIRECTION TO PURSUE THE PROJECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS INVOLVED.
BECAUSE PEOPLE DO SEE THIS ON THEIR AGENDAS AND THEN THEY APPROACH US AND THEY'RE LIKE, ARE THEY IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW? OH MY GOODNESS. AND IT'S LIKE, NO, THERE'S A LOT TO BE DONE.
A LOT TO BE VETTED, FELL INTO PLACE.
IT'S A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR YEARS.
WOULD THIS HAVE TO GO TO A BALLOT IF BEFORE CONSTRUCTION? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING SOURCES, IT MAY HAVE TO GO TO BALLOT.
OF COURSE, WE'LL COMPLY WITH ALL THE CITY CODES.
OKAY. DO YOU MIND PULLING UP THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED SORT OF THE CROSS SECTION FOR WE'LL DO OPTION ONE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO FORTH.
YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE FOR THE TYPICAL 20 FOOT WIDE CLASS ONE.
I GUESS AS A TRAIL, WAS IT KIND OF CALL IT A TRAIL? TRAIL. THE BIKES ARE SHARING THAT WITH THE PEDESTRIANS.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. PEDESTRIANS, STROLLERS, WAGONS, LOWER SPEED USERS.
CORRECT. OKAY. SO IN THOSE LIKE TWO EIGHT FOOT WIDE LANES, BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS GO THERE AND THEN IN THE TEN FOOT ONE TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THAT'S ONLY FOR PEDESTRIANS, CORRECT? OK. IS THAT LIKE, TOO MUCH SPACE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR BIKES? I MEAN, I JUST WORRY THAT [INAUDIBLE] FORCING PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES TO SHARE THE SAME SPACE WOULD.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR PEDESTRIANS IN THE TEN FOOT ONE OVER THERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING AT? THERE'S ACTUALLY VERY HIGH DEMAND FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION USES ALONG OUR COASTLINE.
SO I THINK THIS IS VERY APPROPRIATE AND WE'LL NEED THAT SPACE, IN FACT, ON THE BRIDGE.
I ALMOST FEEL LIKE NO MATTER WHAT WE DESIGN, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH IN THE FUTURE.
AS I SAID, IT'S VERY EARLY ON.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE FINAL DESIGN.
BUT I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE SAYING, I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY MY FEELING THAT IF WE DID CONSTRUCT THIS, IT'S ACTUALLY 16 FEET OF USABLE SPACE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OUTSIDE BARRIERS.
IF WE DID CONSTRUCT THAT, IT WOULD BE VERY HIGHLY, HIGHLY UTILIZED AND PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY BE ASKING ME, WHY DIDN'T YOU DESIGN IT WIDER? YEAH, THE REASON I ASK WAS BECAUSE I KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT STREETSCAPE IN ENCINITAS, WHICH I THINK PHASE ONE IS BEING COMPLETED THIS YEAR, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE NUMBERS AND HOW? BECAUSE IT'S NOT DONE YET.
BUT TOWARDS THE SOUTH, ACTUALLY IN CARDIFF, THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING A CYCLE TRACK.
AND THIS THIS IS NOT A CYCLE TRACK, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT A CYCLE TRACK CYCLE TRACKS WHAT THEY CALL A CLASS FOUR AND THAT BASICALLY IS A BARRIER.
AND THEN THEY HAVE DIRECTIONAL LIKE ONE DIRECTIONAL BIKE LANE.
SO YOU HAVE THE IT'S SEPARATED BY WHAT THE DEFINITION OF CLASS ONE IS THAT A MINIMUM OF TEN FEET WIDE AND IT'S SEPARATED BY THE VEHICULAR TRAVELING BY OVER FIVE FEET. SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF A BARRIER SEPARATION OR LANDSCAPE SEPARATION.
SO, YEAH, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
AND I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE RIBBON CUTTING ON SUNDAY.
SO THE IT'S OPEN AND FUNCTIONING.
ARE THESE OPTIONS GOING TO I MEAN, ARE WE LOCKED INTO THESE OPTIONS AND YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE STUDYING THEM FOR THIS GRANT? OR IS THERE ARE THE OPTIONS POTENTIALLY GOING TO CHANGE? YEAH, THIS THIS IS A STATUS UPDATE.
SO WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO ANY OF THESE OPTIONS AT THIS TIME.
WE ARE GOING TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN TO THE TRAFFIC MOBILITY COMMISSION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE WE REALLY ARE BELIEVING IN OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND INPUT PROCESS.
AND WE REALLY WANT TO VET THIS PROJECT WELL, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS JUST THE GEM OF THE COASTLINE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?
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I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.SO THE EXPANDING BIKE LANE AND WALK PATHS ARE DISCUSSED AND THE ADDING MORE CROSSWALKS AND MAKING CROSSWALKS SAFER.
IT'S A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE IN THE STAFF REPORT, I'M NOTICING.
DIVERSITY OF RECREATIONAL LAND USES PEOPLE OF ALL AGE GROUPS, AND IT GETS ON PAGE FOUR, THE BOTTOM HERE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE ESSENCE OF CARLSBAD. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HAVING A PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE AREA RIGHT IN THE BLUFF AREA.
SO IF WE ARE ALLOWING PEOPLE OF ALL AGE GROUPS, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN AS FAR AS ACCESSIBILITY IS CONCERNED, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS NOT ONLY THE WE'RE TAKING OUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWING PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE WITH THESE ENHANCED BIKE AND DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN AREAS TO ACCESS THE COAST.
AND YET MY QUESTION IS, ARE THEY GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET THERE? THAT'S REALLY HOW ARE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, BIKES, STROLLERS, ETC., BEING GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE BEACH? THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE DOING THIS WHOLE THING, IS TO CREATE SOME KIND OF BEACH ACCESS.
AND YET I REALLY DIDN'T SEE IN ANY OF THESE ITERATIONS ANY KIND OF RELATIONSHIP TO HOW PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY SAFELY, ACCESSIBLY AND MAYBE EVEN UNIVERSALLY BE ABLE TO ACCESS OUR BEACHES.
SO IS THERE AN EXPLANATION TO THAT? YEAH. YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.
THANK YOU. AND SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER IT IN TWO PARTS.
IS ONE, THE WHAT WE DEFINED AS THE CLASS ONE AND THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
THOSE ARE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION USE USES OR OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THAT MEANS IT HAS CERTAIN CROSS SLOPE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT IS ACTUALLY A BENEFIT THAT THE PUBLIC ENJOY IS THEY THEY ENJOY THEIR TRAILS, THEY ENJOY ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION USE TO ACCESS THE COASTLINE ITSELF, LIKE TO GET TO THE BEACH.
YOU'VE SEEN WE DID DEFINE ACCESS OPPORTUNITIES ON THESE OPTIONS AND THOSE WILL BE FURTHER REVIEWED AND ADDRESSED IN A MEMORANDUM IN THIS STUDY.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND WITH TONS OF PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY, INPUT, OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER DESIGN FOR THOSE COASTAL ACCESS AREAS.
SO IN THE FUTURE TO BE DETERMINED.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S WE'RE INTENDING TO PROVIDE COASTAL ACCESS OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT'S GOOD. THE YEAH, IT IT DID SORT OF STRIKE ME AS INTERESTING.
IS THERE A DEFINITION FOR THE ESSENCE OF CARLSBAD? THAT'S IT'S SORT OF AN INTERESTING.
I GUESS I GET HUNG UP ON DEFINITIONS, BUT I.
YEAH, I BET THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THAT ONE.
SO, SO THAT'S REALLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS HOW WILL PEOPLE CONNECT TO THE WATERFRONT? AND ONE OF THE THINGS ON PAGE FIVE THAT YOU MENTION IS A RESPONSIVE PUSH BUTTON DEVICE FOR ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN NOTIFICATIONS.
NOW AGAIN, IN UNIVERSAL DESIGN AND ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS, MAKING BARRIERS LIKE A PUSH BUTTON IS NOT REALLY ACCESSIBLE IN A UNIVERSAL STANDARD BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN REACH THAT BUTTON, YOU KNOW, SO SO I'M CONCERNED WITH HAVING THESE SORT OF STANDARD.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE LEARNED A LOT FROM THE PANDEMIC.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT LOOKS THE SAME AS OTHER THINGS INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THESE OPTIONS SHOW THE EXACT SAME, ALMOST IDENTICAL CENTRAL MEDIAN SEPARATING THE TRAFFIC VERSUS MAYBE MEDIAN SEPARATING THE BIKES FROM THE TRAFFIC, WHICH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE CARS ARE GOING TO GO, WHETHER THERE'S A YELLOW STRIPE IN LINE THERE OR THERE'S A MEDIAN.
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NOT GOING TO BE PROTECTED LIKE THE CARS WILL BE BECAUSE THERE'S JUST MORE AROUND THEM.SO IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE A SOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY HAS MEDIAN SEPARATING THE BIKES FROM THE CARS AS OPPOSED TO MEDIAN A MEDIAN IN THE CENTER SEPARATING JUST THE CARS? YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION TO HELP EXPLAIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY SHOW IN OUR DESIGN.
SO YEAH, JUST AN UPDATE ON THAT.
AND SO AND THEN YOU BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF OTHER GOOD REALLY POINT TWO REALLY GOOD POINTS.
ONE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD AND USING TECHNOLOGY TO OUR ADVANTAGE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUSH BUTTONS AND AND ADA ACCESS ISSUES AND THEY ARE EVOLVING.
AND SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF DETECTION THAT IS USED TODAY.
SO AS TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES TO DETECT PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS FOR SIGNALIZED OPPORTUNITIES, WE WILL UTILIZE THAT DETECTION.
FOR ROUNDABOUTS WE ARE GOING, IF OUR FUTURE ROUNDABOUTS, WHICH ARE DESIGNED WITHIN THE CITY, WE ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDING CONDUIT.
BUT WHAT'S SHOWN AND TYPICALLY ON ROUNDABOUTS, WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THEM IS TYPICALLY YOU DON'T NEED PUSH BUTTONS AND THEY'RE SAFER BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON, ON PEOPLE'S BEHAVIORS.
AND PEOPLE FEEL IT'S THAT INTERACTION BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIAN AND THE VEHICLES, ALONG WITH THE HARD FEATURES OF THE ROUNDABOUT THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH SAFER.
SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED.
BUT I'M A TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY GEEK, SELF-PROFESSED GEEK, AND I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON ANY OF THE DESIGN OPTIONS IN GREAT DETAIL. SO IN REGARDS TO YOU, THOUGH, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT DESIGNING BIKE LANES WITH A BARRIER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE CAN WE GO TO THAT CROSS SECTION AGAIN? ACTUALLY, NOW LEAVE IT HERE.
SO, SO THERE'S THERE'S A TWO TYPES OR ACTUALLY VARYING TYPES OF BICYCLE RIDERS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICULAR BICYCLE RIDERS OUT THERE.
THEY'RE GOING FOR MILEAGE AND THEY WANT TO GO PRETTY QUICK.
SO THEY'RE TRAVELING AROUND 20 MILES PER HOUR.
YOU DON'T WANT THOSE HIGHER SPEED BICYCLISTS, INCLUDING E-BIKES, TRAVELING IN THE SAME PATHWAY AS YOU HAVE LITTLE KIDS AND MAYBE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO WANT TO CRUISE ALONG THE COAST LINE AT FIVE MILES AN HOUR ON A BEACH CRUISER.
SO THOSE THOSE PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO USE THE CLASS ONE ALIGNMENT.
AND SO KATIE WILL SHOW YOU THAT ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURSOR.
THE CLASS ONE IS ACTUALLY TO THE WEST ALONG THE COASTLINE.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL CHOOSE TO RIDE THE CLASS TWO USERS.
NOW THE VEHICLES WILL HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO BE DESIGNING THIS AT A MUCH SLOWER SPEED.
SO THE DESIGN SPEED WILL BE 35 TO 40 MILES PER HOUR BECAUSE SPEED IS A DIRECT LINEAGE WITH THE FATALITY RATE OF ROADWAYS. SO WITH THE LOWER VEHICULAR SPEEDS, THE HIGHER SPEED BICYCLISTS DON'T HAVE AS MUCH RISK RIDING NEXT TO THEM.
SO THEY'LL CHOOSE HOPEFULLY A MAJORITY OF THEM WILL CHOOSE TO RIDE IN THE BUFFERED BIKE LANES.
SO DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICULAR BICYCLISTS AND HIGH SPEED BICYCLISTS THAT DON'T LIKE THE CLASS FOUR BIKE LANES BECAUSE THEY FEEL CONFINED AND THERE ARE DOWNSIDES TO IT, WHICH I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DESIGNS, THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH.
YEAH, I LIKE I SAY, ALL FOUR OF ALL THREE OF THESE CROSS SECTIONS LOOK IDENTICAL WITH THIS CENTRAL FOUR FOOT MEDIAN, WHICH I DON'T QUITE SEE AS A PLANNED SOLUTION, WHERE I THINK IT COULD ACTUALLY BE MORE BENEFICIAL AGAINST THE BIKE AREAS JUST TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT SAFETY BUFFER.
THAT WOULD HELP PROMOTE WHAT ARE REALLY OUR TOP PRIORITIES HERE ON THIS LIST, RIGHT, IS THE PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES, RIGHT? SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATION RIGHT NOW IS STANDARD.
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AND I THINK WE COULD BE MORE CREATIVE AND ACTUALLY CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR THIS SOLUTION, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S A VERY PROMINENT LOCATION.OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, SO WE WANT TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
I DIDN'T. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER MEENES.
YEAH, TOM, ANOTHER OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL.
WHEN YOU COME BACK TO TO US AGAIN, WILL, AND CAN WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WILL BE FURTHER REFINED WITH INPUT FROM EITHER THE PUBLIC COUNCIL OR OTHER COMMISSIONS, AND THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK, YOU'LL SAY, WELL, OKAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY OPTION ONE OR WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTION TWO.
AND AND WE CAN ANTICIPATE THAT SOMETIME IN EARLY 2023.
YEAH, IT ACTUALLY REALLY DEPENDS ON, ON COUNCIL'S ACTIONS.
AND SO THIS LIKELY WON'T BE COMING BACK TO YOU PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL DOING A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
HOWEVER, OBVIOUSLY IF WE DO GO FURTHER INTO THE DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, WE'D BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR ANY ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND SEEK REVIEW. AND ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? I'M GOING TO PULL UP THE EXPERTS LIKE MR. STRONG HERE AND AND ERIC ON THE TEAM TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
MR. STRONG, DO YOU WISH TO CLARIFY ANY FURTHER? WELL, I GUESS TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MORE OF A THEMATIC JUSTIFICATION ON WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED BY THE COMMISSION PERTAINING TO THE CORRIDORS, IMPROVEMENTS, THE GEOMETRIES OF THE ROADWAY, THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS TO THE GEOMETRIES OF ROADWAY AND INTERSECTION DESIGN THAT REQUIRES SOMETHING THEY CALL IT HORIZONTAL DEFLECTION POINTS.
SO I THINK THE PURPOSE OF IT TONIGHT WAS GOOD IN THE SENSE THAT THE DESIGN TEAM THAT'S ACTIVELY WORKING ON THESE ALTERNATIVES CAN RECEIVE THIS AS THE BROADER PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS.
SO AS WAS I GUESS CLARIFIED, THE ITEM IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER AND THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY DICTATE THE NEXT STEPS OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.
SIR, IF I MAY INTERJECT THERE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO JUST GIVE A STATUS UPDATE IN SEPTEMBER.
SIR THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. SO THERE IS GOING TO BE AN [INAUDIBLE] OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS STILL MOVING FORWARD, AND WE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO REPRESENT DESIGN ALTERNATIVES AS ARE MODIFIED TO THE COMMISSION.
SO THIS SHOULD BE RETURNED AT SOME POINT.
SO WITH PUBLIC INPUT, IS THAT GOING TO BE INCLUDED LIKE CHARRETTE OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE OR WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE? I THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WOULD BE IN A SIMILAR FORMAT AS WHAT YOU'RE RECEIVING TONIGHT.
SO AND MAYBE OTHER DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES, WE MAY CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE A CHARRETTE FOR A DIFFERENT CORRIDOR, BUT NOT FOR THIS STUDY AREA BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY BEYOND THAT BASICALLY WE HAVE OUR THREE ALTERNATIVES WHICH WE'RE PRESENTING AND ONCE WE COMPLETE THE TRAFFIC STUDY WE WILL COMPLETE OUR OPTIONS MATRIX AND THEN SUPPORTED BY OUR TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEN PRESENT A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE THAT NORTH, SOUTH CONNECTIVITY.
BUT TO THE POINT THAT I THINK THE DESIGN TEAM WILL CONSIDER IS THOSE ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE EXISTING AND SHOWN ON THOSE EXHIBITS AND HOW TO IMPROVE THEM SO THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL TYPES OF USERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. SABELLICO.
THANK YOU. I THINK I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY'S COMMENT OR SUGGESTION THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT GOING INTO OR CREATING SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL BARRIER BESIDES JUST GREEN PAINTS FOR THE VEHICULAR BIKE LANES.
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AND THAT'S JUST TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT ORDINARILY BE VEHICULAR BIKE RIDERS TO BECOME VEHICULAR BIKE RIDERS. AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE BIKING AS A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD ADD SAFETY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME PHYSICAL SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BIKES AND THE CARS ON THE ROAD.
BUT THOSE ARE JUST MY HOPES AND DREAMS FOR THE PROJECT.
YEAH. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND JUST TO EXPLAIN THERE'S PROS AND CONS FOR EACH DESIGN.
SO JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU, GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION.
SO WITH THE CLASS TWO, IF WE CAN SHOW THE CROSS SECTION, THE ISSUE WITH DOING WHAT'S CONSIDERED A CLASS FOUR AND DOING A FURTHER BARRIER WOULD BE IF WE NEED TO PROVIDE 20 FOOT SPACE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
AND SO THAT'S AN ISSUE ALONG WITH IF A CAR BREAKS DOWN AND THEY HAVE TO VEER TO THE RIGHT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE FOR OTHERS TO PASS.
SO THAT'S AN ISSUE WHEN YOU ARE DESIGNING CLASS FOUR.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
AND AGAIN, I THINK FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO COMMUTE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING AT 30 MILES AN HOUR, I THINK THEY WILL BE CHOOSING TO TAKE THE CLASS ONE.
SO THAT'S THE INTENT AS WE DO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO BUT I DO HEAR YOU THAT YOU DO PREFER CLASS FOUR WHEN IF IT'S AVAILABLE AND IT'S A GOOD OPTION.
WELL, AND EVEN IN CHESTNUT WHERE THEY HAVE THE ROLL CURBS FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AT THE ROUNDABOUTS TO GO OVER THEM, YOU KNOW, HAVING JUST THAT TYPE OF EVEN SMALL CURB VARIETY, NOT NECESSARILY EVEN A BARRIER, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SEPARATION.
SO THE CARS ARE ON ONE SIDE AND THE BIKES CAN BE ON ANOTHER SIDE.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE FOUR FOOT MEDIAN IS SORT OF STANDARD AND KIND OF OVERDONE.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE MOVING BEYOND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER LUNA HAS ONE MORE COMMENT.
JUST REAL QUICKLY, MR. FRANK, I'M ASSUMING THE BICYCLE CYCLING COMMUNITY HAS WEIGHED IN ON THIS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE REACHING WHAT IS THEIR OPINION CONCERNING THEM? I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF I'M ONE OF THOSE WALK, WALKIE WALK PEOPLE THAT GO IN THE STREET AT CANNON OVER THE BRIDGE AND I GO IN THE LANES THERE FOUR WOMEN ABREAST.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE CARS DON'T DARE COME BY US BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM THAT DEATH LOOK.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, BUT THE CYCLIST, I MEAN, THEY HAVE STRONG OPINIONS.
SO I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THEIR OPINION WOULD BE.
AND I'VE BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR YEARS, FOR DECADES, AND I LOVE THE DEBATES.
I USED TO I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT I USED TO HAVE A COUPLE OF STRONG ADVOCATES WHO WERE VERY STRONG AND VERY OPINIONATED, AND THEY WERE ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THAT ARGUMENT.
SO IT WAS VERY FUN TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND YEAH, THERE'S OPINIONS, DIFFERENT OPINIONS EVEN WITHIN THE BICYCLE COMMUNITY.
GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. THERE'S ONLY ONE MORE COMMENT I HAVE AND IT'S THE WHY IS IT WHEN TRAFFIC CIRCLES PEDESTRIANS HAVE TO WALK FARTHER? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? WHY IS IT WITH TRAFFIC CIRCLES PEDESTRIANS HAVE TO WALK FARTHER.
THEY ACTUALLY DON'T IT'S THE OPPOSITE WITH AND IT'S NOT TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
THIS IS A MODERN DAY ROUNDABOUT AND SO IF WE CAN GO TO THAT BELOW.
SO THIS IS THE ROUNDABOUT OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD ON THE LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN.
AND ACTUALLY, I'LL SHOW YOU ACTUALLY THIS IS A GOOD SLIDE TO SHOW.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT SOLAMAR DRIVE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A ROUNDABOUT, YOU CAN SEE THE CROSSING DISTANCE ACROSS EVEN JUST THIS ONE LANE CONFIGURATION IS GOING TO BE LIKE 50 FEET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MEDIAN.
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MEDIAN. SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS FOR PEDESTRIANS, FOR MODERN DAY ROUNDABOUTS.IT'S MUCH SHORTER CROSSING DISTANCE.
THE RISK FOR THE PEDESTRIAN IS MUCH LESS.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S A DESIGN ISSUE, THOUGH? BECAUSE IF RIGHT HAND TURN LANES WERE NOT THAT WIDE ANGLE MAYBE THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING WOULD BE SHORTER AT A REGULAR INTERSECTION.
RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 90 DEGREES AS OPPOSED TO BECAUSE YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT TURN, ALL OF THESE CURVES ARE MUCH WIDER TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW THAT RIGHT HAND TURN.
AND YET WE'RE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN AND YET THE RIGHT HAND TURN IS ALWAYS GOING TO TRUMP BECAUSE OF THAT HEAVIER ANGLE, THAT LARGER ANGLE, WIDER ANGLE.
IF IT WAS A 90 DEGREE, IT WOULD ACTUALLY TIGHTEN THAT FORCE THE PERSON TO STOP IN THE CAR, BUT ALSO ALLOW THE PEDESTRIAN A SHORTER DISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO CROSS.
I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE MORE TIME, BUT I DO WANT TO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE THINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND IT DOESN'T HELP OUR PEDESTRIAN WHEN WE HAVE A VERY FAST MOVING PACE OF THE TRAFFIC GOING BY HERE.
AND THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE WANT TO SLOW IT DOWN.
IS THAT CORRECT? MADAM CHAIR? THAT'S CORRECT.
OKAY. SO, MR. STRONG, IS THAT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION? IF THE COMMISSION IS DONE RECEIVING THE UPDATE REPORT, THEN YES, IT IS.
OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE VERY INTERESTED.
THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON . TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
[2. GPA 2021-0004/ZC 2021-0003/CT 2021-0001/PUD 2021-0004/PUD 2022-0002/SDP 2021-0014 (DEV2020-0116) – JEFFERSON MIXED-USE]
MADAM VICE CHAIR? YES.IS THIS ITEM NUMBER TWO? WE ARE. YES, WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO.
I WILL. I DO KNOW THE OWNER AND THEREFORE I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR INFORMING US OF THAT.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
FIRST ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS OR ITEMS PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
I'M FAMILIAR. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
ACTUALLY, I DID VISIT THE SITE LAST NIGHT, AND NOW UNEXPECTEDLY, I ACTUALLY MET THE APPLICANT, MR. SCARPELLI. AND SO I DIDN'T PLAN THAT.
BUT. SO IN TERMS OF OUR EX PARTE, I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO HIM THAT I ASKED HIM LAST NIGHT.
SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO OKAY, GREAT. AND I LOOKED UP THE SITE ON GOOGLE MAPS.
MR. STRONG, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM? YES. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR.
AND BEFORE THE INTRODUCTION, THE CITY HAS HISTORICALLY EXTENDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE OR POSTPONE THE ITEM SO THAT A LARGER BODY OF THE COMMISSION CAN VOTE IN CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST.
AND THERE ARE TWO COMMISSIONERS ABSENT, SO THERE ARE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS.
SO IF THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE, AT BEST WE CAN HAVE SIX THOUGH.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE? YOU DO HAVE A QUORUM AND THE COMMISSION CAN TAKE ACTION THIS EVENING.
YES. YOU HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM, YES.
THAT WOULD BE THREE IN THIS CASE.
THREE VOTING MEMBERS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE APPROVAL.
YOU WISH TO PROCEED? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
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DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY LAUREN YZGUIRRE.
THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS JEFFERSON MIXED-USE.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A LAND USE CHANGE AND DISCRETIONARY PERMITS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FOUR UNIT AEROSPACE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING AND A DETACHED COMMERCIAL OFFICE. THE PROJECT IS LOCATED ON TWO PROPERTIES 2770 AND 2754 JEFFERSON STREET ON THE EAST SIDE OF JEFFERSON STREET AND JUST NORTH OF ARBUCKLE PLACE.
THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF AN ADDENDUM TO THE GENERAL PLAN, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PROGRAM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE CONSISTENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, NON-RESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING RESIDENCES, MERGE THE TWO LOTS TO CREATE ONE LEGAL LOT AND CONSTRUCT FOUR AIRSPACE CONDOMINIUMS AND A DETACHED COMMERCIAL OFFICE.
2754 JEFFERSON STREET SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE AS LOT A HAS AN EXISTING GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL R15, WHILE 2770 JEFFERSON STREET SHOWN AS LOT E HAS AN EXISTING GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL/OFFICE R-15/O.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF 2754 JEFFERSON TO R-15/O TO BE CONSISTENT WITH 2770 JEFFERSON STREET FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSOLIDATING THE LOTS AND CONSTRUCTING THE CONDOMINIUM BUILDING AN OFFICE . 2770 JEFFERSON STREET WILL REMAIN AS AS IS R-15/O.
2754 JEFFERSON STREET IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY MEDIUM RDM WHILE 2770 JEFFERSON IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL PROFESSIONAL QUALIFIED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY RPQ.
THE ZONE CHANGE WOULD ALSO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ALLOW FOR THE PROJECT TO COMPLY WITH THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF ONE ZONING DESIGNATION. THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT FOUR CONDOMINIUM UNITS DESIGNED AS THREE STORY TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD SHARE COMMON VERTICAL WALLS.
EACH RESIDENTIAL UNIT INCLUDES THREE BEDROOMS, THREE AND A HALF BATHROOMS AND AN ENCLOSED TWO CAR GARAGE, BALCONIES ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR AND REAR YARD AREAS ON THE GROUND FLOOR. EACH OF THE FOUR FLOORPLANS VARY IN SIZE, RANGING FROM 1,905 SQUARE FEET TO 2,706 SQUARE FEET.
ACCESS WOULD BE PROVIDED BY A SINGLE DRIVEWAY ALONG JEFFERSON STREET WITH A SHARED DRIVE AISLE.
EACH UNIT PROVIDES TWO BALCONIES AND PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE REAR.
THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE RANGES FROM 352 SQUARE FEET UP TO 860 SQUARE FEET.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS.
THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS CHARACTERIZED AS A BEACH COTTAGE DESIGN AND INCLUDES A STUCCO FINISH HARDIE PLANK LAP SIDING, PILASTERS, RAFTER TAILS AND VARIATIONS IN ROOF RIDGES AND WINDOW ELEMENTS.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO INCORPORATE THE COLORS SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST ELEVATIONS.
BOTH BUILDINGS ARE BELOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET.
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THE COMMON AREAS INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO THE PRIVATE DRIVE AISLE AND LANDSCAPED AREAS.THANK YOU. THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE CODES, STANDARDS AND POLICIES.
THE PROJECT ALSO COMPLIES WITH THE STANDARDS WITHIN THE R-P ZONE AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PERMITTED USES, SETBACKS, HEIGHTS AND PRIVATE RECREATIONAL SPACE.
THE PROJECT WILL MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT BY PROVIDING A TWO CAR GARAGE FOR EACH OF THE FOUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AS WELL AS TWO UNENCLOSED VISITOR PARKING SPACES ON SITE PROVIDED VIA TWO CARPORTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 7458 RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF AN ADDENDUM TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD GENERAL PLAN CLIMATE ACTION PLAN EIR.
AND FINALLY ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 7560, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE TRACT MAP, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, NONRESIDENTIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR [INAUDIBLE].
PETER, MERTZ? COMMISSIONER MERTZ.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
OH, I'M SORRY. I HIT THE WRONG ONE.
SO YOU'RE JOINING THE TWO I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON HERE.
YOU'RE JOINED THE TWO DIFFERENT ZONES, THE RDM AND THE RPQ MAKING IT ALL RPQ.
QUESTION ON THE RPQ ZONING, IT IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO YOU CAN DO RESIDENTIAL.
YOU COULD THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU COULDN'T DO RESIDENTIAL ON THE ENTIRE ONE.
IF YOU WANT TO. I'M NOT SAYING YOU WOULD, BUT YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT.
YOU CAN. WOULD THAT BE AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? COMMISSIONER MERZ. SO YOU COULD DO RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH LOTS IN EITHER THE CURRENT ZONING OR THE PROPOSED ZONING.
AND IN ADDITION, WHERE EACH OF THE PROJECT COMPONENTS ARE PROPOSED, SUCH AS THE LOCATION OF THE OFFICE, THAT PARCEL IS ALREADY ZONED TO ALLOW FOR AN OFFICE . RIGHT. AND SAME WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO EVERYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED IS ALLOWED RIGHT NOW AND WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU COULDN'T DO ALL RESIDENTIAL ON THIS.
IS THAT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? FIRST. I WOULD LIKE TO STATE I'VE BEEN.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? YES. EDWARD SCARPELLI, RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, SINCE 1979.
GREAT. SPINNAKER HILLS, CARLSBAD.
I'VE BEEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND WAS HONORED IN 2006 AS THE CITIZEN OF THE YEAR FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
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MY WIFE AND I HAVE LOVED THIS CITY FROM THE VERY MOMENT THAT WE ARRIVED HERE FROM MASSACHUSETTS.AS MANY OF US HAVE FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS.
WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS A LEGACY PROJECT AND ONE THAT NOT ONLY WE WOULD BE PROUD OF LEAVING IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, BUT ALSO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WOULD BE PROUD OF.
SO IT WAS A LABOR OF LOVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
AND I BELIEVE OUR ARCHITECTS HAD CAPTURED THAT IN THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH WE CALL SEASIDE VILLAGE TOWNHOMES.
I ALSO WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE PLANNERS ARE ASSOCIATE PLANNERS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND VERY COOPERATIVE IN WORKING WITH US IN GETTING THIS TO THIS STAGE.
JESSICA EVANS, WHO WAS ORIGINALLY ASSOCIATE PLANNER ON THIS, WHO IS NOW AT THE CITY OF DEL MAR.
AND THAT WE WILL GET YOUR APPROVAL THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COMMISSIONERS. ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER MERTZ. COULD YOU BRING THIS SITE PLAN UP TO YOU ON THAT ONE THERE, TOO? SO IT'S INTERESTING.
I MENTIONED DURING EX PARTE, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET MR. SCARPELLI AT THE SITE.
AND I WAS A LITTLE I ASKED MR. SCARPELLI AND I'LL ASK HIM.
IT'S PART OF EX PARTE I ASK THE SAME QUESTION THEN IS IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND MAKE IT ALL RESIDENTIAL AND NOT HAVE TO PUT THE OFFICE BUILDING UP, WOULD THAT BEEN A MORE PREFERRED DESIGN FOR YOU? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO DO OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO DO SO AND NOT PUT UP THE OFFICE BUILDING, JUST MAKE IT ALL RESIDENTIAL.
I'M ROBERT RICHARDSON OF KARNAK PLANNING & DESIGN.
381 CHRISTIANSEN WAY NEXT TO THE CARLSBAD ALKALINE WATER THAT'S BUILDING MY BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
AND LIKE I SAID, MY LIFE IS HERE, MY KIDS ARE HERE, MY GRANDKIDS ARE HERE.
WE CAME TO THE CITY AND WANT TO DO WHAT THE CITY WANTED.
AND SO WE'VE TRIED VERY HARD TO WORK WITH THAT.
BUT ALSO DON KNEW AND WITH THE PLANNER INVOLVED.
AND SO WE SAID, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO? AND SO ONCE WE COMBINED THE LOTS IN ORDER TO DO THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, YEAH, WE CONSIDERED DOING ALL RESIDENTIAL.
BUT IF YOU DO THE CALCULATIONS AND THE ANALYSIS, IT WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR FOUR UNITS, NOT FIVE.
AND WE DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT A VARIATION.
AND SO IN TALKING WITH EVANS AND DON NEU, IT WAS DECIDED TO GO TO THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND DO THAT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DESIGNS AND OUR ELEVATIONS AND SO FORTH, THIS PROJECT HAS A VERY RESIDENTIAL QUALITY LOOK THAT FITS
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INTO A RESIDENCE AND NOT ONE OF THE NEW MODERN HIGH TECH PROFESSIONAL OFFICE OR MIXED USE PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE VILLAGE NOW.AND SO WE'VE BEEN VERY SPECIAL.
IN FACT, WHEN WE ADDED THE THIRD FLOOR, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S SETBACKS EVERYWHERE.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE OF THE SETBACK.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DID WITH THAT.
AND SO UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS.
AND UNLESS MIKE, YOU MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING THAT IS CONTRARY TO THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A FOLLOW UP. SO THE THING WAS THAT YOU DECIDE ON THE FOUR UNITS THE FOUR RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY BONUS.
SO IT MADE SENSE FOR YOUR SITE PLAN.
AND I THOUGHT IT JUST KIND OF STRUCK ME THE WAY IT WAS.
AND SO THAT IS A HIGH QUALITY SPACE THAT FLOWS WELL.
AND SO IT'LL HAVE VERY MINIMAL EFFECT AS A QUOTE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, BUT MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL, MORE PRIVATE THING AND SOMEONE THAT HAS A SMALL BUSINESS, IT'D BE A VERY NICE SPOT FOR THEM.
THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? THERE'S SOMETHING I SHOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS.
YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF A FEW ACTIONS TONIGHT ON THIS.
ONE OF WHICH IS A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO IF THEY HAD FOUR, THEY'D NEED THREE, BECAUSE THREE WOULD BE THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL.
SO IF WE EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, THAT WOULD MEAN WE WOULD NEED A MAJORITY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FOR RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
MR. STRONG. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? YES. THERE ARE TWO SPEAKERS, [INAUDIBLE].
THE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT JUST SPOKE, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
YEAH. ARE YOU OKAY? YOU DON'T WISH TO SPEAK AGAIN.
OKAY. SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON THIS ITEM.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? NO, NO. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WE WERE GIVEN THE LARGE FORMAT PLANS, BUT THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS SMALLER 11 BY 17. WAS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, I BELIEVE THAT WAS AN ERROR ON OUR PART.
WE DID OR SEE THAT AND GO BACK AND ADD IT ON THE WEBSITE.
SO IT SHOULD BE ON THE ELECTRONIC VERSION NOW.
OK YEAH, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THAT'S, BEEN A CONCERN BECAUSE NORMALLY IT'S PART OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE APPROVE AND NOT SEPARATE FROM IT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WAS THE CASE.
BUT IF IT WAS AN ERROR, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
SO ANY OTHER CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? NO.
OKAY. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
LET'S SEE. SEEING NONE WE WILL MOVE TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
WOULD ANY COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM? WE DIDN'T CLOSE IT. WELL NOW.
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WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY FIRST.OKAY. SO PUBLIC TESTIMONY CLOSED.
COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.
MR. SABELLICO. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, SIR, I THINK YOU WILL ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOAL OF MAKING SOMETHING HERE THAT CARLSBAD CAN BE PROUD OF FOR MANY FUTURE YEARS. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE AND PRESENTING YOUR PROJECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER LUNA.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO ON AGENDA ITEM 2 PLEASE VOTE.
I PUSHED THE WRONG ONE. CAN WE DO IT AGAIN? YEAH. THAT WASN'T RIGHT.
CAN YOU CLEAR THE VOTE? AND THEN I'LL SIGNAL WHEN I'M READY.
OKAY. SHOULD BE GOOD. OKAY, EVERYBODY VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 5 WITH ONE ABSTENTION.
WE'LL, NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
[3. CDP 2021-0029 (DEV2021-0114) – APPLEBY RESIDENCE]
MR. STRONG.WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THE NEXT ITEM? THANK YOU VICE CHAIR LAFFERTY.
THIS THIRD AGENDA ITEM ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA IS THE APPLEBY RESIDENCE, A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED THREE CAR GARAGE.
ASSOCIATE PLANNER PAUL DAN IS AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION AND ORDINARILY WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING TO DISPENSE WITH THE PRESENTATION AND JUST IMMEDIATELY PROCEED FORWARD WITH QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS IN PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
ANYONE HAVING ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVING EX PARTE CONVERSATION ON THIS ITEM? I'VE DRIVEN PAST IT.
I'VE DRIVEN PAST THIS FOR YEARS AND I THOUGHT THE ADJACENT LOT WAS JUST A BIG LOT.
I ACTUALLY STOPPED AT THE SITE AND WALKED IN.
WE'VE ALREADY INTRODUCED THE ITEM.
CAN WE FOREGO THE PRESENTATION SINCE THE PUBLIC SPEAKER SLIP IS THE APPLICANT.
WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU. SO DO I OPEN PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND CLOSE IT.
THE ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT ISSUES WITH ANY CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL FROM THE ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT.
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SO. SO NOW WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC SPEAKER, THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? OK SEEING NONE. THEN WE WILL MOVE TO OPEN COMMISSION DISCUSSION WITH ANY COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM? SEEING NO HANDS, SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION? I WILL SECOND. A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO ON AGENDA ITEM THREE.PLEASE VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 6 WITH 1 ABSENCE.
NOW WE WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STAFF, FOR MOVING THIS.
MR. STRONG, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THE NEXT ITEM?
[4. CDP 2021-0021 (DEV2021-0082) – CAMPBELL RESIDENCE]
THANK YOU. THE FOURTH AND FINAL ITEM ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA IS A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ENTITLED CAMPBELL RESIDENCE.THE PROJECT PLANNER, ESTEBAN DANNA, IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE WILL NOT BE PROVIDING A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
THERE ARE NO SPEAKER SLIPS SUBMITTED.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
FIRST, CAN I HAVE THE EX-PARTE CONVERSATION OR COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS ITEM? FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S.
NO EX PARTE? I DROVE BY THE SITE.
I WALKED ALONG THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE HOME AND THERE IS A GATE THAT THEN GOES OUT IN THE PATHWAY TRAIL TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY. I WALKED DOWN THAT TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
OK STAFF PRESENTATION ANY LETTERS RECEIVED FOR THIS ITEM EXCEPT THE ONE WE JUST RECEIVED? CORRECT. YES, MADAM CHAIR.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND ARE THERE? LET'S SEE. CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS? ARE THERE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THERE'S NO PRESENTATION.
SO. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY THESE ARE A COUPLE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECTS HERE.
APPLICANT PRESENTATION? NO? OK WE'LL OPEN PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? MADAM CHAIR, THERE IS NOT.
SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON THIS ITEM.
ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION.
WE'VE RECEIVED THIS DOCUMENT TODAY.
IS THERE ANY EXPLANATION? CAN ANYONE SPEAK TO THIS? IS MR. STOOKEY PRESENT? I CAN SPEAK TO IT, IF I MAY.
THANK YOU. I HAD A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE WRITER OF THE EMAIL.
HE HAD CONCERNS AND HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EXPANSIONS WERE NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS PART OF THE REVIEW FOR THIS PROJECT.
AS STAFF WE GO THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN AND THE CODE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING COMPLIES.
THERE IS NO LANGUAGE WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN THAT LIMITS EXPANSION.
ASIDE FROM THE REGULAR SETBACKS AND THE BUFFER TO BATIQUITOS LAGOON.
THE REASON I ASK, SIR, IS I'M LOOKING AT THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
HE PREVIOUSLY SIGNED AN APPROVAL.
IT MAKES ME QUESTION HIS MOTIVATION TODAY?
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I'M NOT SURE.I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DID TALK TO HIS NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO APPLICATION OR SHORTLY AFTER APPLICATION TO SHOW HIS NEIGHBORS WHAT THE PROJECT WAS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH.
AND VICE CHAIR, IF I MAY INTERPOSE THE CITY'S CONTROLLING DOCUMENTS WERE REVIEWED AGAINST THE APPLICATION REQUESTS AND THE PROJECT IS FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THOSE CONTROLLING DOCUMENTS.
THERE ARE CCNRS THAT PERTAIN TO HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS, BUT THAT IS A CIVIL MATTER AND THE CITY DOES NOT ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF CCNRS.
AND IF I MAY ADD THERE, THE MASTER PLAN DOES REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF THE HOA BOARD, ARCHITECTURAL BOARD PRIOR TO COMING BEFORE YOU. SO WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THE HOA SAYING THAT THEY DID APPROVE THE PROJECT.
GREAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.
MAYBE MR. STRONG AND COUNCILOR, YOU CAN ADDRESS IT.
SO WE RECEIVED THIS ITEM AT 447 AND 48 THOUSANDTHS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING SIMPLE AND SMALL.
DOES THE CITY COUNCIL OR DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION, WE CAN ACCEPT COMMENTS UP TO 5:00 P.M..
ACTUALLY UP UNTIL THE TIME OF THE HEARING.
CORRECT. UNTIL THE ITEM IS AND BUT WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ACCEPT IT.
CORRECT. SO JUST SO ACTUALLY, FOR THE COMMISSION'S EDIFICATION, IF THERE ARE AGENDA ITEM TWO AND THEY SUBMIT SOMETHING DURING AGENDA ITEM ONE PRIOR TO AGENDA ITEM TWO BEING CONSIDERED, THAT IS CONSIDERABLE FOR US TO CONSIDER.
CORRECT. YEAH. IF IT GETS TO US, I MEAN IF IT WAS SUBMITTED VIA EMAIL DURING THE MEETING, WE'RE NOT CONSTANTLY CHECKING THE PLANNING EMAIL. SO IF IT IS SOMEHOW DELIVERED AND WE ARE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE IT, WE CAN.
THE COMMISSION CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR A BRIEF RECESS OR SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IT IF THEY WANT TO.
AND COMMISSIONER LUNA, THE MANNER IN WHICH WRITTEN TESTIMONY IS RECEIVED AND DISTRIBUTED OR DISPOSED AS PART OF THE ADMINISTERING OF RECORD FOR THE COMMISSION'S BENEFIT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO TO PROVIDE CLEAR DIRECTION TO WHICH THERE IS A CUTOFF DATE TO WHERE WE CAN DELIVER ANY HARD COPIES BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF STAFF TIME IN PREPARATION OF THE MEETING AND WE'RE NOT ACCESSING OUR PERSONAL COMPUTERS TO EVEN RETRIEVE THIS DATA.
SO WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RECEIVE THIS AND PUBLISH IT IN TIME.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CREATING A LITTLE BIT CLEARER PROTOCOL FOR MOVING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
I MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MEENES AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MERTZ ON AGENDA ITEM FOUR.
SO THE MOTION CARRIES 6 TO 1 ABSENCE.
WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED?
[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS]
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY REPORTS? COMMISSIONER MEENES? YES. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE CHAIR.I RECEIVED AN EMAIL LAST WEEK FROM THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES IN REGARD TO THE PLANNING CONFERENCE NEXT IN 2023. AND I WENT AHEAD AND MADE COPIES OF THIS AND WHAT THE EMAIL CONSISTED OF WAS A CALL FOR PROPOSALS. ANYONE WHO WISHES TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL TO THE LEAGUE FOR THIS CONFERENCE, YOU CAN DO
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SO. AND SO ANYWAYS, I MADE COPIES FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU SO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN DOING SO.WITH THAT IN MIND AS WELL, IT DOES MAKE REFERENCE TO WHEN THE PLANNING CONFERENCE COMMISSIONERS ACADEMY WILL OCCUR, WHICH IS MARCH 29, 31 AT THE HYATT REGENCY ORANGE COUNTY IN GARDEN GROVE, CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MERTZ, ANY? MEENES.
I'M GOING TO. I DID? [LAUGHTER] YES.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL COMMISSION REPORTS? THAT'S THE M'S THEY JUST MESSED ME UP.
WHAT CAN I SAY? THERE'S ONLY ONE.
[LAUGHTER] SO ADDITIONAL COMMISSION REPORTS? NO. THERE'S ONLY ONE REPORT THAT I WOULD WANT TO MENTION, BUT I THINK PLANNER STRONG WILL HAVE OR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
WHAT IS YOUR TITLE, I'M SORRY? COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
ASSISTANT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
YOU HAVE TO WRITE THAT IN THESE CRIB SHEETS SO THAT I CAN KEEP THEM.
YEAH. SO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, AND MR.
[CITY PLANNER REPORT]
STRONG WAS ABLE TO TELL ME ABOUT THAT.SO I'M GOING TO DEFER TO MR. STRONG FOR THE CITY PLANNER REPORT.
THE OTHER ITEM PERTAINS TO THE SPECIAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING IN WHICH THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING A ORDINANCE THAT AMENDS TITLE 22 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE SO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE TO PRIMARILY ADDRESS SOME OF THE INCENTIVES AND BENEFITS TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH THE COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE A MILLS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS A TAX INCENTIVE AND A CONTRACT PROPERTY CONTRACT WITH VOLUNTEERED PROPERTY OWNERS.
THAT PARTICULAR ZONING CODE OR MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDMENT IS OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO IT WILL NOT BE PRESENTED DIRECTLY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT. THANK YOU.
DID YOU SAY THE DATE OF THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEETING? IT WAS AUGUST 29TH? IT'S A MONDAY. GREAT.
ARE THERE ANY IS THERE A REPORT FROM THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY? NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STANDS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.