[CALL TO ORDER]
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CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER OF THE NOVEMBER 16TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION.
FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, COMMISSIONER MERZ PLEASE.
BEGIN, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL ROLL, PLEASE? WE HAVE SIX COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE.
WE HAVE A QUORUM. FIRST MATTER ON OUR AGENDA.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WE HAVE MINUTES OF THREE MEETINGS FOR OCTOBER.WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE ONE AT A TIME.
FIRST ITEM WILL BE THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY MATTERS THAT COMMISSIONERS WANT TO DISCUSS ON THOSE MINUTES? OKAY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ABSTAIN ON THAT ONE BECAUSE I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING.
SO IF I HEAR NO DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION? I WILL ALSO ABSTAIN; I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING AS WELL.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES FOUR ZERO WITH THREE COMMISSIONERS RECUSED.
NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 19TH MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO THAT? I HAVE A FEW.
ON PAGE TWO, I THINK THERE IS AN ERROR HERE ON THE PARAGRAPH JUST BEFORE THE DISCUSSION ITEM.
I DON'T THINK WE MEANT LITERALLY THE WE MEANT AS EXAMPLES.
RIGHT. SO I DON'T THINK WE WANT ENCINITAS EXHIBITS IN CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I WOULD SAY LIKE USED IN THE CITY OF ENCINITAS.
OKAY, AND THEN ON ITEM NUMBER THREE THERE, I THINK THERE'S A MISSING TWO ON THE SECOND TO THE LAST PARAGRAPH, IT READS THAT CELIA BREWER HAD ADVISED THE CITY COUNCIL NOT TO BRING I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A TWO THERE NOT TO BRING PERSONAL ELECTRONIC DEVICES TO THE MEETINGS.
WITH THOSE CHANGES, I AM FINE WITH THOSE MINUTES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ITEM ON THAT? COMMISSIONER MEENES. I MAKE A MOTION WITH THE CORRECTIONS THAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED.
THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT'S APPROVED SIX ZERO WITH ONE RECUSED OR ABSENT.
FINAL MINUTES WE HAVE ARE FOR THE OCTOBER 27TH MEETING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ANY ITEMS ON THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE MINUTES? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY TO APPROVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
OK THAT IS APPROVED FIVE YEA, ONE ABSTENTION AND ONE RECUSED.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
GOING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, AND THAT'S THE ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON MATTERS, NOT ON THE AGENDA, AND WE ASKED THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COMMENT ON A NON AGENDA ITEM, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO BRING A SPEAKER SLIP UP TO THE COURT. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS?[00:05:07]
NO SPEAKERS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS TIME.[CONSENT CALENDAR]
[1. SUP 2022-0001 (DEV2022-0001) – OMNI LA COSTA GOLF COURSE RENOVATION]
MATTER. CAN WE PUT THE HEARING PROCEDURES ON THE SCREEN SO PEOPLE CAN GET FAMILIAR WITH THOSE? OKAY, THANK YOU.THESE ARE OUR HEARING PROCEDURES.
FORMS REQUIRED OF ALL ITEMS. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM HERE TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM AND YOU'RE NOT THE APPLICANT, BUT YOU WANT TO SPEAK AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, YOU SHOULD FILL OUT A SPEAKER SLIP AND TURN IT INTO THE CLERK . REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS MUST BE TURNED IN TO THE MINUTES CLERK PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING.
ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
DON'T SEE ANY OTHERS RIGHT NOW.
OKAY, THEN WE WILL OPEN THAT ITEM AND THAT WE WILL INQUIRE FROM COMMISSIONERS WITH REGARD TO ANY SITE VISITS OR ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
ARE THERE ANY? STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN, ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES? I HAVE BEEN BY THIS SITE.
COMMISSIONER MEENES. YES, I VIEWED THE SITE ON THE SITE AND WENT TO THE NORTH, IN REGARD TO THE PROJECT ITSELF, WENT TO THE NORTH COURSE AND WALKED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE MANY TIMES.
I USED TO PLAY TENNIS THERE ON THE CLAY COURTS AND MY EMPLOYER HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SITE.
SEEN AS THE PRO TEM CUP IS HELD THERE, ANNUALLY, BUT I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THAT SO THAT'S ALL.
OKAY, I HAVE BEEN BY THE SITE MANY TIMES.
I DID NOT WALK THE GOLF COURSE.
I'M NOT A GOLFER. I'VE NEVER PLAYED THE GOLF COURSE, BUT I'M GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
SO WE WILL NOW INVITE THE ASSISTANT COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR, MR. STRONG, TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM, PLEASE.
I WILL BE PRESENTING ON ITEM NUMBER ONE THE OMNI LA COSTA GOLF COURSE RENOVATION.
THE GOLF COURSE IS ACCESSED THROUGH THE LOBBY AT ASTREA DEL MAR ROAD.
THE PROJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL GOLF COURSE.
TO THE NORTH OF THE PROJECT SITE IS ALGA NORTE PARK AND OPEN SPACE TO THE SOUTH AND EAST ARE SINGLE AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES AND OPEN SPACE, AND TO THE WEST IS A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, OPEN SPACE AND THE REMAINDER OF THE RESORT AND SPA.
THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING 18 HOLE CHAMPIONS GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS THE NORTH COURSE IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND ADOPTION OF A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION MND AND MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM MMRP.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO RENOVATE AND REPLANT THE EXISTING CHAMPIONS COURSE, WHICH INCLUDES ADJUSTING TEE BOXES AND GREEN LAYOUTS TO INCREASE COURSE PLAY EXPANDING FAIRWAYS AND ADJUSTING ROUGH LOCATIONS TO CREATE A MORE CHALLENGING COURSE LAYOUT REALIGNING GOLF CART PATHS TO ALLOW FOR BETTER INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND ALLOW FOR MORE ROOM TO EXPAND THE COURSE.
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THE PROJECT ALSO PROPOSES TO REMOVE TWO MANMADE PONDS TOTALING 2.94 ACRES AND REPLACE THEM WITH [INAUDIBLE] CONSISTING OF MOSTLY GRASSES AND SAND THAT UTILIZE DROUGHT TOLERANT ARID PLANTS.THE PONDS ARE LOCATED AT THE NORTH CORNER OF THE COURSE SOUTH OF POINSETTIA LANE.
THE PROJECT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF OR MODIFICATION TO HABITABLE STRUCTURES, AND NO WORK IS PROPOSED WITHIN THE EXISTING SAN MARCOS CREEK OR DRAINAGES WHICH BISECTS THE COURSE.
THE USE OF PESTICIDES WILL ALSO NOT INCREASE AS A RESULT OF THE PROJECT.
STAFF CONDUCTED AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IDENTIFIED POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES, CULTURAL RESOURCES AND CONSTRUCTION NOISE.
HOWEVER, CONSTRUCTION NOISE MINIMIZATION MEASURES, REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT PLANS AND MITIGATION MEASURES WOULD PROVIDE MITIGATION TO A POINT WHERE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE REDUCED TO A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVEL.
LA COSTA RESORT AND SPA MASTER PLAN AND EL CAMINO REAL CORRIDOR STANDARDS.
THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNED COMMUNITY ZONE AND OPEN SPACE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATOR.
THE PROJECT ALSO COMPLIES WITH THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE.
THE GRADING ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED RENOVATIONS WILL ALTER THE GEOMETRY OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
IN ADDITION, THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION WILL NOT BE IMPACTED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
ADOPT A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM, AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE ONE JUST FOR KIND OF AN ELABORATION WITH REGARD TO POTENTIAL FLOOD HAZARDS OR FLOODING IMPACTS.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OR HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT WAS ANALYZED? GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
YES, THAT WAS THE AREA WAS ANALYZED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WITH THE PROJECT, AND IT WAS ANALYZED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY EFFECT ON THE PERIMETER FLOODPLAIN CHANGES AND IF THAT WOULD HAVE ANY EFFECT.
THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THE FLOODPLAIN ITSELF.
IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM OF THE AREA OF WORK.
SO AS FAR AS THE STAFF CAN DETERMINE, IT WILL NOT AFFECT HAVE ANY FLOOD HAZARD IMPACTS AT ALL? NO, IT WILL NOT CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL FLOOD HAZARD IMPACTS.
THANK YOU. ANYTHING MORE, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, FINE, THEN WE WILL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION, AND WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE, AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, I'M PAUL KLUKAS.
I'M A PLANNER WITH PLANNING SYSTEMS. OUR ADDRESS WAS 1530 FARADAY, SUITE 100 IN CARLSBAD.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING THE OMNI LA COSTA RESORT PROJECT.
I HAVE WITH ME THIS EVENING MR. CLINT [INAUDIBLE], HE'S A SENIOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT MANAGER WITH OMNI HOTELS.
I'VE GOT RANDY [INAUDIBLE], THE MANAGING PARTNER WITH THE LOCAL HOTEL.
I'VE ALSO GOT MR. KEITH HANSON WITH ODAY CONSULTANTS.
HE'S THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT AND GREG EVANS WITH PLANNING SYSTEMS. HE'S THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COVER QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP.
SO THE STAFF GAVE A GOOD SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME BELABORING YOUR EVENING GOING THROUGH THE DETAILS HERE.
WE'RE PRIMARILY HERE REALLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOT.
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, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WE NEED AN APPROVAL OF A FLOODPLAIN SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE REPLANTING AND THE RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS JUST THE CHAMPIONS SECTION.SO IT'S JUST THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE GOLF COURSE.
OMNI RESORT'S PLANNING TO REPLANT AND RENOVATE THE COURSE TO STATE OF THE ART GOLF PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE GOLF PLAY AND TO ACTUALLY REPLACE THE HIGH WATER USE LANDSCAPING WITH MORE NATURALIZED AND MORE WATER EFFICIENT PLANTINGS AND FEATURES.
THE COURSE WAS CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1965, OVER 50 YEARS AGO.
SO IT HAD ONE RESTORATION IN 2003.
SO IT'S TIME FOR FOR ANOTHER RESTORATION, AND SO THE PRESENT EFFORT THAT WE'VE GOT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, IT REALLY DOESN'T INVOLVE ANY HUGE CHANGES.
I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE RESTORATION OF THIS COURSE IS ALL IN PREPARATION AND GETTING READY FOR THE NCAA CHAMPIONSHIPS, WHICH WERE AWARDED TO THIS COURSE FOR THREE YEARS STARTING IN 2024, AND SO THIS PROPOSED RESTORATION WORK IS A CRITICAL PART OF PREPARING THE COURSE FOR THAT POPULAR AND WIDELY TELEVISED TOURNAMENT EVENT.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CHARGE PER CARLSBAD FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS ARE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT WILL DECREASE THE ABILITY OF THE SITE TO HANDLE THE 100-YEAR FLOOD.
WITH OUR PROPOSED DESIGN, THE WATER COURSE IS NOT GOING TO BE ALTERED.
THE FLOOD CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE FLOODWAY WON'T CHANGE.
NO HABITABLE OR OTHER STRUCTURES ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO WE AGREE WITH YOUR STAFF THAT THE FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAN BE MADE.
WE'VE PROVIDED ALL THE REQUIRED NOTICES TO THE PUBLIC OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
OVER 1000 NOTICES, TWO SEPARATE TIMES REQUESTING REQUESTING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AS LAUREN MENTIONED, WE DIRECTED PEOPLE RECEIVING THE NOTICES TO A WEBSITE THAT WE CREATED.
A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS JUST SUPPORTED THE RESTORATION PROJECT.
A NUMBER OF THEM ACTUALLY, NONE OF THEM HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON FLOOD CONTROL, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE, BUT MANY OF THE COMMENTS HAD TO DO WITH HOW'S A VIEW GOING TO CHANGE FROM MY PATIO? SO ANYWAY, I BELIEVE WE RESPONDED TO ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING SENDING THEM READABLE PLANS FOR THE GOLF COURSE HOLES OR FAIRWAYS BEHIND THEIR HOUSES.
SO WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE GOLF COURSE FOOTPRINT AT ALL.
WE AVOID THE TAKING OF ANY HABITAT.
WE AVOID IMPACTS TO JURISDICTIONAL WATERS.
THE PROJECT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY PERMITS FROM THE RESOURCE AGENCIES, AND HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS CONCLUDES THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL RESULT IN NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO THE EXISTING DOCUMENTED WATER SURFACE ELEVATION UNDER THE 100-YEAR FLOOD SITUATION.
SO THE PROJECT DOESN'T RESULT IN ANY FLOODWAY IMPACTS.
I DO THINK I'D LIKE TO MENTION A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT.
THE GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT IS GIL HANSE.
HIS FIRM HAS DESIGNED MANY OF THE PREEMINENT GOLF GOLF COURSES ACROSS THE GLOBE.
MANY OF GIL'S COURSES ARE RANKED IN THE TOP 100 IN THE WORLD.
HE'S DESIGNED DOZENS OF COURSES IN COUNTRIES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
HE'S CHOSEN TO DESIGN THE COURSE OR HE WAS CHOSEN TO DESIGN THE COURSE FOR THE 2016 OLYMPICS IN RIO DE JANEIRO. I CAN'T NAME ALL THE COURSES HE'S DESIGNED.
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I CAN'T EVEN NAME ALL THE COUNTRIES HE'S DESIGNED COURSES IN, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT IT'S BECOME CLEAR IN THE GOLF WORLD THAT GIL SITS AT THE TOP OF THE GOLF COURSE DESIGN PROFESSION, AND THE PLANS BEFORE YOU REFLECT GIL'S DESIGN.SO THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WE'VE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT PACKAGE AND THE MITIGATION MEASURES AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. WE FIND THEM ALL ACCEPTABLE AND WE'RE EAGER TO GET GOING.
ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MERZ. I JUST NOTICED IN THE [INAUDIBLE], THE TIMELINE AND ALL, IT LOOKED LIKE SOME OF THOSE ARE STARTING TO PUSH A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, DO YOU STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING ABLE TO GET IT DONE WITHIN THE DEADLINE FOR THE TOURNAMENT COMING UP? WE'RE SWEATING, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE CITY STAFF IS WORKING VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE A REASONABLE SCHEDULE ON THIS. SO.
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATION WITH THE TRIBES, THE LOCAL TRIBES THAT HAVE WEIGHED IN ON THIS? THE ONLY CONVERSATION THAT I HAVE HAD WITH THE TRIBES IS WITH THE WITH CARMEN [INAUDIBLE], WITH THE SAN LUIS REY BAND OF MISSION INDIANS, IN WHICH WE REQUESTED A PROPOSAL FOR HER TO MONITOR THE WORK, THE GRADING WORK, AND SHE INDICATED THAT SHE WOULD PROVIDE THE PROPOSAL.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT I EXPECT TO SEE IT THIS WEEK.
DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT STAFF? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, IF YOU DID WANT MORE INFORMATION ON THE CORRESPONDENCE WITH RINCON, I WOULD RECOMMEND RON KEMP CHIME IN.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN ADD, MR. KEMP? WHEN YOU ASKED IF THEY'VE HAD COMMUNICATION, WERE YOU REFERRING TO THE RINCON LETTER OR WERE YOU REFERRING TO SAN LUIS REY? BOTH, BUT YEAH, JUST WHAT WHAT'S TRANSPIRED AND WHAT ACTION IS BEING TAKEN.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH.
WELL, LAUREN MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER IF SHE HEARD ANY MORE FROM RINCON, BUT RINCON HAD SUBMITTED A LETTER AND WE HAD RESPONDED TO THAT LETTER THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH THEIR INTERPRETATION.
CEQA REQUIRES THAT PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT, WE BEGIN CONSULTATION WITH ANY TRIBE THAT HAS NOTICED THE CITY THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN CONSULTING ON A PROJECT AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THAT WHAT BEGINNING MEANS.
THEY FELT THAT IT SHOULD BE WHEN WE ACTUALLY MEET WITH THEM, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE'VE HANDLED THAT IN THE PAST, AND THE MEETING WASN'T ABLE TO BE SCHEDULED TO AT LEAST 35 DAYS AFTER THAT INITIAL COMMUNICATION ON THEIR CHOICE.
WE DID TAKE INPUT AND RESPOND TO THAT.
SO ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE REQUIRED BY AB 52 WERE COMPLIED WITH.
IT WAS JUST A MORE OR LESS A PROCEDURAL QUESTION OF WHEN DOES CONSULTATION BEGIN? THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MEENES.
YES, QUESTION FOR YOU IN REGARD TO THE PONDS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.
COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT AS TO THE DESIGN AS TO WHY THOSE ARE BEING REMOVED VERSUS KEEPING AND RETAINING THEM? WELL, THOSE ARE THOSE PONDS ARE RECYCLED WATER.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY FROM A POTABLE OR FROM A RECYCLED LINE THAT HAS TO BE PUT IN THERE.
SO IT'S IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING.
NUMBER ONE, IT WAS GIL HANSE'S IDEA THAT HE WOULD PREFER A DESIGN THAT DIDN'T HAVE THOSE PONDS OR THAT INSTEAD PUT IN THE [INAUDIBLE], WHICH IS KIND OF A VERY SHALLOW ARROYO TYPE DESERT TYPE THING, AND SO IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THEM UP THERE. THEY EVAPORATED.
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THEY WERE NOT JURISDICTIONAL TO THE DEGREE THAT THE STATE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THEM OR ANY JURISDICTION, NOR DID THE FEDS , AND SO IT WOULD JUST DETERMINE THAT THIS WAS A BETTER DESIGN, AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK GREAT WHEN IT'S WHEN IT'S DONE, AND THE DEVELOPER IS MITIGATING FOR ANY ANY INDIRECT IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BECAUSE THE ONE IMPACT THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH IT IN THE [INAUDIBLE] REPORT WAS THE POTENTIAL.IT DID HAVE SOME BENEFIT TO BIRDS AND THEREFORE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSISTING IN FUNDING CNLM WITH SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THOSE BIOLOGICALLY FOR THE WILDLIFE.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY OTHER CONCERNS.
NOW I WANT TO ASK MY SECOND QUESTION.
THANK YOU. I WILL SAY THAT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT TO THE COURSE WITH WHAT'S BEING PLANNED. I THINK THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS I THINK THAT HAVING THE RENOVATION DONE AND THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR IMPACT ON BOTH THE COURSE, THE OWNER AS WELL, OF COURSE, FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO POSSIBLY REAP THE BENEFITS OF HAVING MORE TOURNAMENTS AND MORE OTHER, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MUCH MORE APPEALING PROBABLY TO TOURNAMENTS THAT WOULD BE GOING TO OTHER CITIES.
COMPETITION WOULD BE EXCELLENT AS WELL.
SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE PLAN.
SIR, WOULD YOU COMMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE FLOOD IMPACT ISSUE? BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON.
WITH REGARD TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, DID YOU HAVE YOUR OWN INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY'S REVIEW AND ANY EXPERT THE CITY WOULD RETAIN? DID YOU HAVE YOUR OWN ENGINEER TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IN SOME DETAIL.
THE CLIENT HIRED CHANG CONSULTANTS, ONE OF THE BEST, MOST WELL KNOWN HYDROLOGISTS IN THE COUNTY AND HE DID THE ANALYSIS AND THE ANALYSIS WAS REVIEWED, AND BASICALLY IT'S TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE'S ANY CHANGE TO THE 100 YEAR FLOOD LIMITS HEIGHT, AND THE CITY STAFF REVIEWED THAT WORK, AND THE CITY STAFF CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS DONE PROPERLY.
SO I THINK THE GENERAL CONCLUSION WAS THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE, THESE CHANGES ARE SO MINOR FROM A STANDPOINT OF FLOOD SITUATION THAT IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO AFFECT UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM FLOODING.
SO WE HAD BASICALLY TWO INDEPENDENT REVIEWS ON THE FLOOD ISSUE AND BOTH DETERMINE THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THEN, RIGHT? WELL, I THINK THE CITY STAFF REVIEWED WAYNE'S WORK.
SO IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY TWO INDEPENDENT ONES, I BELIEVE.
THAT'S CORRECT. MR. CHANG PREPARED THE STUDY.
WE REVIEWED THE STUDY AND THERE WERE NO CHANGES IN THE UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM FLOODPLAIN, AND IN LOOKING AT FEMA REGULATIONS, WE VERIFIED IT WITH OUR OWN REQUIREMENTS AND FEMA REGULATIONS AND LOOKED AT THOSE STUDIES.
I REVIEWED THE REPORT AND LOOKED AT IT.
SO THERE'S UNANIMITY AND CONSENSUS AMONG THE EXPERTS THEN? YES. THANK YOU.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? OKAY, THEN WE WILL PROCEED AND WE WILL OPEN UP THE HEARING FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS? YES, OUR FIRST AND ONLY SPEAKER IS PAUL WHITWORTH.GOOD EVENING, I'M PAUL WHITWORTH.
I LIVE AT 7261 ALMADEN LANE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE 15TH HOLE OF THE NORTH COURSE AT LA COSTA.
I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK, FIRST AND FOREMOST, CARLSBAD NEEDS A COMPETITIVE QUALITY GOLF COURSE.
THIS IS THE HOME TO THE GOLF INDUSTRY, AND IT SEEMS KIND OF A SHAME WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO HOLD TOP CALIBER COMPETITIVE GOLF TOURNAMENTS IN IN CARLSBAD.
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MY SECOND POINT IS, AS A HOMEOWNER ADJACENT TO THE COURSE, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED SEVERAL TIMES. I SUBMITTED QUESTIONS.I GOT FEEDBACK BACK AND I FEEL LIKE THE PROCESS WORKED AS THE PROCESS IS INTENDED TO.
I KNOW MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR FEELS THE SAME WAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CLERK, THAT'S OUR ONLY SPEAKER? YES, THAT'S OUR ONLY SPEAKER.
THANK YOU. OKAY, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PORTION OF OUR HEARING AND THE STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT ALL TO THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION OR THE ONE PUBLIC MEMBER.
ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, NOTHING FURTHER.
I DO WANT TO JUST THINK THE APPLICANT, THOUGH, FOR I DO FEEL LIKE THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB WITH ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS AND BEING REALLY PROACTIVE AND COMPROMISING WHERE THEY COULD.
OKAY, APPLICANT, HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER IN RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? THANK YOU. OKAY, THIS WILL BE THE TIME WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY COMPONENT.
THIS WILL BE THE TIME FOR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS TO STAFF.
ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THEN IF NO QUESTIONS, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DELIBERATIONS AND DISCUSSION.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO GET US STARTED? MR. KAMENJARIN. I LIKE THE PROJECT.
MY CONCERNS WERE THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE ELIMINATION OF THE POND, BUT I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ASCERTAIN, AND I WOULD SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION.
COMMISSIONER MEENES, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, JUST TO TO ADD, WHEN I SAID EARLIER, I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A VERY FINE JOB.
I THINK THE DESIGN IS EXCELLENT.
I THINK, AGAIN, THE ANSWERING THE QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE PONDS WAS IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL AS THE HABITAT, AND YET AT THE SAME TIME THE FLOODPLAIN IS THE ISSUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, JUST TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC HERE, WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IS TO APPROVE THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND REALLY GOING THROUGH THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
IT'S ONE OF THE BEST ONES THAT I'VE READ AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
I MEAN, IT TALKS ABOUT GOING AROUND AND MAPPING ALL THE BIRDS NESTS 48 HOURS BEFORE ANYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN AROUND THERE. I MEAN, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IS EXTRAORDINARY, AND I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST ONE THAT I'VE READ, SO I'M HAPPY TO APPROVE IT.
COMMISSIONER MERZ, ANYTHING? NO.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, ANYTHING? I THOUGHT GOLF WAS FROM SCOTLAND [CHUCKLING], AND ACTUALLY, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION OF THE TRIBAL COMMUNICATIONS AND THAT YOU'RE PROCEEDING TO HIRE SOMEONE FROM THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DEEMED AS A LANDMARK OR PRECIOUS OR SOMETHING, WHATEVER HISTORIC.
I GUESS THE SAME IS ENOUGH, BUT I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD SEE LESS PESTICIDE USE WITH MORE MANAGED, LESS DROUGHT, MORE DROUGHT TOLERANT, LESS OUTSIDE PLANTS.
SO SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN, AND I DID SEE IN THE BIOLOGICAL STUDY THAT THERE WAS A SIZABLE AMOUNT FOR THE BIRD RELOCATION MITIGATION.
SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND HOPE TO SEE THIS COMPLETED.
THANK YOU. MY COMMENTS ARE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WE BASICALLY HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS.
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I, TOO, SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, THE CEQA ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED BY THE RINCON TRIBE, I DO NOT FIND PERSUASIVE AT ALL.STAFF ATTEMPTS TO MEET WITH THEM DID MEET WITH THEM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS A REASON WHY WE SHOULD QUESTION THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION. I THINK IT'S JUST FINE WITH REGARD TO THE MERITS.
ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I THINK THE APPLICANT AND STAFF HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
IT'S AN ISSUE OF POTENTIAL POSSIBLE FLOOD ISSUES, AND IT'S BEEN ANALYZED BY SEVERAL EXPERTS, AND THE CONSENSUS SEEMS TO BE THAT THIS WILL HAVE NO IMPACT, WILL NOT CAUSE FLOODING, AND THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THE FLOODPLAIN ISSUE WAS SUPPOSED TO ANALYZE, AND WE'VE DONE THAT AND WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT THERE IS NONE.
SO I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND SUPPORT BOTH RESOLUTIONS.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION ADOPTING NEGATIVE MITIGATED DECLARATION AS WELL AS NUMBER TWO, ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SUP.
SO ONE MOTION APPROVING BOTH RESOLUTIONS, CORRECT? OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, LET'S VOTE. THE MOTION APPROVES SIX ZERO.
THANK YOU. GIVE PEOPLE A FEW MINUTES TO CLEAR OUT.
THE RECORD WILL SHOW THAT SHE WAS ABSENT FOR ALL THE VOTES THAT WERE RECEIVED TONIGHT.
YES, I KNOW. THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION.
OKAY, WE'RE AT THE STAFF REPORT PART OF OUR.
[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS]
.. WE'LL START, NOT AT STAFF REPORTS; IT'S COMMISSIONER REPORTS.ANY COMMISSIONER REPORTS? COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN? NONE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MEENES.
OKAY, NONE FROM COMMISSIONER MERZ.
SO HISTORIC PRESERVATION MET ON NOVEMBER 9TH TO REVIEW THE MILLS ACT UPDATE AND HOPEFULLY.
MR. STRONG WILL BE ABLE TO ELABORATE ON THAT.
THE HISTORIC CALENDAR WAS APPROVED AND THE NEXT HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEETING IS GOING TO BE JANUARY 9TH, 2023, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO A COMMISSIONER MEMBERS TOUR OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES OF SIGNIFICANCE I THINK NEXT MONTH.
SO THAT WAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THEN I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE COMMISSIONER STINE FOR GETTING INTO THE LOCAL SECTION WITH OUR MEETING ON THE 27TH OF OCTOBER REGARDING THE STATE OF EMERGENCY EFFORT.
SO THANK YOU. DIDN'T YOU GET ON THERE AS WELL? WEREN'T YOU MENTIONED, QUOTED ON THERE AS WELL? [INAUDIBLE] OKAY, THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 30TH.
I EXPECT OUR MEETING IN DECEMBER TO HAVE A REPORT.
[CITY PLANNER REPORT:]
MR. STRONG. THANKS, CHAIR STINE.THERE ARE TWO MATTERS I'D LIKE TO COVER.
THE FIRST IS FUTURE AGENDA SETTING.
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THE COUNCIL DID ADOPT BY A SECOND READING BOTH THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING STANDARDS CODE UPDATE, SO THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 2.42 AND TITLE 22 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE TO ADDRESS HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE MOST PREDOMINANT FORM WAS THE MILLS ACT PROGRAM. SO PART OF THE OUTREACH WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, BOTH ON NOVEMBER 4TH AND THEN EXPECTED IN THEIR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY IN THE NEXT YEAR, IS TO TALK ABOUT THE TARGETED OUTREACH TO PROMOTE AWARENESS OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM WHERE THE HOMEOWNER ELECTS AND DECIDES TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION TO THE CITY. SO THE BIG EFFORT ON THE CITY'S END WILL BE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE ELIGIBLE PROPERTY OWNERS TO INFORM THEM ABOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY.IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE OUTREACH WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE END OF THE WINTER OR EARLY SPRING SO THAT ANY PRELIMINARY APPLICATIONS OR APPLICANTS CAN COME TO THE CITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE WITH THE GO LIVE DATE OF RECEIVING APPLICATIONS IN JUNE OR JULY, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THE TIMELY PROCESS OF THAT APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL BY THE END OF THAT CALENDAR YEAR.
THE OTHER MATTER THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL BE ADDRESSING IN 2023 ARE OTHER INCENTIVES AND BENEFITS TO ENCOURAGE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF PROPERTIES.
THEY MAY INCLUDE REGULATORY ITEMS THAT WOULD AMEND TITLE 21.
SO IN THE EVENT THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SUBMITS A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO A ZONING STANDARD OR PROVISION THAT WILL BE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE MEASURES.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THEIR WORK AND THE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW HERE.
THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME, CHAIR STINE? YES? BECAUSE I HAVE A COMMENT IN REGARD TO MR. STRONG'S--BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR ILLUSTRIOUS ATTORNEY.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO BEING ONE THIS PARTICULAR ACT, AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT TO HAVE THIS PROGRAM NOW IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU IN REGARD TO THAT, YOU WERE SAYING OUTREACH: HAS THE CITY ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD QUALIFY? AS TO IDENTIFYING THOSE PROPERTIES AND THOSE PROPERTIES WILL BE NOTIFIED SPECIFICALLY OR IS IT MORE OF A GENERAL TYPE OF NOTIFICATION? THE CITY HAS NOT CONDUCTED A SURVEY OF HISTORICAL PROPERTY SINCE 1991.
SO PROSPECTIVELY, MOVING FORWARD, WE PROBABLY UTILIZE THAT SAME LIST THAT WAS CREATED IN 1991, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN IN THE INTERVENING YEARS, MORE PROPERTIES HAVE GAINED SOME HISTORICAL RELEVANCE OR CONTEXT.
SO AFTER THAT, IF THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES, WE WOULD LOVE TO RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION, AND THE ALTERNATIVE CITY STAFF WOULD LIKELY DO A BROAD GENERAL OUTREACH TO NOTIFY EVERYONE IN THE CITY OR ANY STAKEHOLDER OF THE PROGRAM.
SO THE APPLICANT OR I SHOULD SAY THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO BE VIEWED AS TO IF THEIR PROPERTY IS QUALIFIED OR NOT.
DOES THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA GET INVOLVED WITH THAT WHATSOEVER, OR IS IT PURELY JUST A LOCAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS? THERE IS A NATIONAL REGISTER, A STATE REGISTER, AND NOW THERE IS A LOCAL REGISTER.
THEY JUST NEED TO BE ENROLLED IN THE LOCAL REGISTER.
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THANK YOU. ANYTHING MORE? MR. KEMP. I HAVE NOTHING FOR YOU.[CITY ATTORNEY REPORT:]
WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR AGENDA, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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