[CALL TO ORDER:]
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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 15TH MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, LED THIS EVENING BY COMMISSIONER MEENES.
READY. BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY. AND, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL? YES. FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN AND SABELLICO ARE ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY PRESENT.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES: (Part 1 of 2)]
THE NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 1ST MEETING.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 1ST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING? OKAY, GOOD.
SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MEENES.
AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE. I HAVE TO ABSTAIN.
I WASN'T HERE. OH, WELL, OKAY.
YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. MOTION.
YEAH. AND I'LL SECOND BY MYSELF CHAIR MERZ.
ANY DISCUSSION? SO PLEASE VOTE.
OKAY, SO A POINT OF ORDER CHAIR.
THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS BECAUSE TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO ABSTAIN.
OKAY. WE'LL GO OVER THE PROCEDURES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION [INAUDIBLE].
THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL ITEMS. REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS MUST BE TURNED IN TO THE CLERK PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING, AND ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS REDUCED BY THE CHAIR.
[PUBLIC COMMENT:]
THE COMMISSION SETS ASIDE THIS TIME UP TO 15 MINUTES TO ACCEPT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA THAT ARE WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.MADAM CLERK, HAS ANYONE FILED A REQUEST TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? YES, CHAIR DANICA STEELE.
OKAY. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
DID YOU SAY ADDRESS AS WELL? YES. OKAY.
MY ADDRESS IS 2768 BERKELEY AVE, AND I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I AM A MASTERS OF URBAN AND REGIONAL PLANNING STUDENT AT UC IRVINE.
SO IT IS A CLASS REQUIREMENT FOR ME TO COME DO A PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO GIVE YOU GUYS A COMPLIMENT.
I GUESS. I LOVE BEING A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN VISTA AND I NOW LIVE HERE.
I COMMUTE TO UC IRVINE ABOUT THREE DAYS A WEEK AND LAST NIGHT WE HAD A MY CAREER DEVELOPMENT COURSE, HAD A NETWORKING NIGHT AND THERE WERE ABOUT TEN PROFESSIONALS WHO CAME IN TO TO TALK TO US.
AND THE ICEBREAKER WAS, WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE PLANNING PLACE? AND TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE SAID, CARLSBAD VILLAGE.
BOTH OF THEM LIVE AND WORK IN L.A.
SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS AS A TESTIMONY TO THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, I CURRENTLY WORK FOR CHILDREN'S PARADISE AND I'M A PRODUCT OF THE CHILDREN'S PARADISE PRESCHOOLS, SO I'VE KNOWN THE OWNER, JULIE LOWE, IN MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR THEM TO EXPAND INTO CARLSBAD.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND BEST WISHES IN YOUR STUDIES.
OKAY. WAS THERE ANY OTHER SLIDES?
[1. ZCA 2023-0001/ LCPA 2023-0017/ PUB 2023-0002 – ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AMENDMENTS 2023]
MR. [INAUDIBLE], WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM? YES. GIVING THE STAFF PRESENTATION IS ASSOCIATE PLANNER SHELLY GLENNON.JOINING HER FOR THE Q&A IS OUR NEW PRINCIPAL PLANNER, ROBERT EFIRD.
THANK YOU, ERIC. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR MERZ AND PLANNING COMMISSION.
FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION, I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME PROJECT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
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ADDITIONALLY, AFTER PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDES STAFF WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROPOSED ADU AMENDMENTS, STAFF WILL THEN PROVIDE AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION REGARDING THE CITY'S PERMIT READY ADU PROGRAM THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PROCESS.THE CURRENT STATE ADU REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED THIS PAST YEAR TO ENCOURAGE THE PRODUCTION OF ADUS AND JUNIOR ADUS THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF AB 2221 AND SB 897.
WE DO ANTICIPATE MORE REGULATIONS TO OCCUR IN THE FUTURE.
CITIES ARE REQUIRED TO UPDATE THEIR LOCAL ORDINANCES TO ALIGN WITH STATE LEGISLATION.
NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES OUTSIDE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE IS BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
FRONT YARD SETBACK EXEMPTIONS FOR BY-RIGHT ADUS.
MODIFIED PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND AN ADDITIONAL PARKING EXEMPTION.
THE STATE UPDATED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS FOR CERTAIN ADUS AS SHOWN IN THE TABLE ABOVE.
SPECIFICALLY, THE STATE WILL ALLOW FOR A MAXIMUM 18FT FOR A DETACHED ADU.
WITHIN TO WITHIN THESE TWO SCENARIOS, WHICH IS WITHIN ONE HALF MILE WALKING DISTANCE OF A MAJOR TRANSIT STOP, WHICH INCLUDES THE POINSETTIA AND CARLSBAD VILLAGE STATION, AS WELL AS ON A LOT WITHIN EXISTING OR PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY TWO STORY MULTI-STORY BUILDING.
THE HEIGHT LIMITATION IS JUST TWO FEET ABOVE THE CURRENT CITY CODE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT OF 16FT.
ALL OTHER ADUS THAT ARE NOT LISTED WILL STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE EXISTING 16 FOOT STANDARD.
THE STATE ALSO ALLOWS AN ATTACHED ADU TO HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 25FT OR THE HEIGHT LIMITATION IN THE LOCAL ZONING ORDINANCE. THAT APPLIES TO THE PRIMARY DWELLING, BUT NO MORE THAN TWO STORIES.
CURRENTLY, THE CITY RESIDENTIAL ZONES HAVE VARYING HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, RANGING FROM 24FT TO 35FT.
STAFF WILL APPLY THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT IS ALIGNED WITH THE PROPOSED OR EXISTING PRIMARY DWELLING.
STATE ADU REGULATIONS NOW ALLOW BY RITE AID USE TO ENCROACH WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE, WHERE THE ADU CANNOT FIT WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA.
ADUS THAT ARE GREATER THAN 800FT² DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THIS EXEMPTION.
THESE PROJECTS WILL BE REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO DETERMINE THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE ADU CAN ENCROACH INTO FRONT YARD SETBACK BASED ON THE SITE'S LIMITATION. THE STATE HAS ALSO ADDED REGULATIONS THAT MODIFY THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR A MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS AND TO ENCOURAGE ADU DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD.
IF THE CITY PROPOSES TO DENY AN APPLICATION.
THE CITY SHALL SUPPLY WITHIN WRITING THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT ARE DEFECTIVE OR DEFICIENT AND HOW THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THESE ITEMS IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE FOR THE PERMIT TO BE APPROVED.
LASTLY, A LOCAL AGENCY SHALL NOT DENY AN APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT TO CREATE AN ADU OR JUNIOR ADU DUE TO THE CORRECTIONS OF A NON-CONFORMING CONDITION THAT DO NOT PRESENT A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
IF THE ADU MEETS ANY OF THE STATE'S PARKING EXEMPTION CRITERIA AS SHOWN HERE.
NEXT STEPS AFTER WE RECEIVE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.
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IF CITY COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES, STAFF WILL THEN BRING FORWARD THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AMENDMENT.WHILE STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS, I DID RECEIVE ONE CALL FROM A RESIDENT, MS. DIANE LEITCH.
SHE HAS INFORMED ME THAT SHE WOULD LIKE SHE DOES PREFER THAT THE ADU MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE OR TO ADD LANDSCAPING FOR SCREENING AS DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE CITY CURRENTLY ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY IN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STYLES FOR ADUS, WHICH IS THE SAME FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ALTHOUGH IT DOES REQUIRE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.
ADDITIONALLY, MASTER PLANS AND SPECIFIC PLANS DO REQUIRE THAT THE ADU SOME MASTER PLANS AND SPECIFIC PLANS DO REQUIRE ADUS TO MATCH ARCHITECTURALLY WITH THE PRIMARY DWELLING.
OKAY. STAFF IS NOW RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT A PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT AND LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AMENDMENT. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE. BUT WE DO HAVE TO ASK, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS OR.
I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE.
IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO ASK THAT ONE.
IT'S NOT A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.
OKAY, NOW, NOW, OPEN PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
IS THERE ANYONE, MADAM CLERK? IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HAS FILED A SPEAKER SLIP THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF? COMMISSIONER MEENES.
HOW DOES THE STATE DEFINE PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC TRANSIT? YOU WITHIN THE WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT MAKES MAKES REFERENCE TO THE TWO COASTER STATIONS AND OF COURSE AMTRAK STATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT OTHER PUBLIC TRANSIT THAT IS BUSSES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? HOW DO THEY DEFINE THAT? UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE REGULATION REGARDING THE ADU HEIGHT LIMITATION THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO PUBLIC TRANSIT, REGIONAL PUBLIC TRANSIT.
AND THEY DEFINE THAT AS PUBLIC TRAIN STATIONS.
UM, AND ALSO REGIONAL BUS STOPS THAT, UM, THAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE IN CARLSBAD.
UM, THERE IS THIS FOR THE PARKING STANDARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR.
I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER.
MISS GLENNON,AS YOU KNOW, WE GET A LARGE VOLUME OF COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THOSE ARE PROCESSED GIVEN THAT THE ADU IS REVIEWED MINISTERIAL.
WE DON'T HAVE DISCRETION ON THOSE, BUT WE HAVE DISCRETION ON THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMITS.
HOW ARE THOSE GOING TO BE PROCESSED UNDER THESE NEW LAWS? SO FOR ADUS THAT WE THAT DON'T REQUIRE A CDP, THOSE ARE AGAIN OVER THE COUNTER.
THEY ARE SUBMITTED THROUGH THE BUILDING PLAN CHECK PROCESS.
SO WE DO STILL TRY TO ANTICIPATE THAT WE CAN MEET THE 60 DAY REQUIREMENT BASED BASED ON THAT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND THAT?
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IN OTHER WORDS, A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT A PLAN THAT COMES TO PERMIT THAT COMES TO THE COMMISSION, AS MANY OF THEM DO.CORRECT. IN THAT CASE, IF AN ADU, FOR EXAMPLE, IS BEING PROPOSED CONCURRENTLY WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT REQUIRES A CDP, WE TYPICALLY POSTPONE THE APPROVAL FOR THE ADU UNTIL AFTER THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS APPROVED AND THAT THE STATE DOES ALLOW FOR CITIES TO DO THAT.
FOR ANY OTHER TYPE OF DELAY AFTER 60 DAY REVIEW, THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST FOR THAT.
LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL ANOTHER PROJECT WAS APPROVED THAT THEY NEEDED IN ORDER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEEDED APPROVAL AFTER THE 60 DAYS, THEN THEY COULD REQUEST FOR THAT TO BE DELAYED AS WELL.
YEAH, I THOUGHT I WAS RIGHT ON IT.
THANK YOU. WELL, MADAM CLERK, IF YOU KNOW.
SO, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO ARRIVED AT 5:15 [INAUDIBLE].
ANOTHER QUESTION IN REGARD TO INFORMATION.
QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE CITY PROVIDING WITH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, THE APPLICANTS PACKAGE THEY'RE PROVIDED TO IN REGARD TO ADAS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALSO ARE PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE APPLICANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE BOILERPLATE TYPE OF DESIGNS AND OR, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT THAT VERY EASILY COULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PERMIT PROCESS, ET CETERA, MUCH MORE RAPIDLY RATHER THAN COMING UP WITH ONE ON THEIR OWN.
COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US? YES, I ACTUALLY THAT WOULD BE PART OF MY INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION.
BUT YES, WE THAT IS THOSE ARE THOSE PLANS ARE CURRENTLY BEING PREPARED.
UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION AT THAT TIME.
CAN I INTERRUPT FOR JUST ONE MOMENT? UM, WE DO HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION ON THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A RECOMMENDED ACTION UNTIL AFTER THAT BECAUSE THEN THE ITEM IS OVER.
I SEE. SO AND I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHEN WE SENT OUT THE NOTICE FOR THIS, WE DIDN'T NOTICE IT FOR A DISCUSSION OF THE THE DESIGN ADUS SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A ONE WAY PRESENTATION OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE.
SO I GUESS MY MY NEXT QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT IS IT POSSIBLE THEN TO ANSWER MY QUESTION AT THIS TIME THEN GIVEN ARE YOU STILL LOOKING AT PROVIDING THAT LATER ON IN THE PROCESS? I COULD, YEAH. SO YOUR QUESTION WAS, ARE WE ARE WE PROVIDING PERMIT READY PLANS? CORRECT. YES, WE WILL BE.
YES. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S A FINE QUESTION.
IT WOULD IT'S JUST THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE NOTICING WAS DONE, WE CAN'T REALLY DISCUSS IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION ON THIS PORTION.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE.
THE QUESTION THAT I WANT TO BRING UP CONCERNS THE CONSTRUCTING ON NON-CONFORMING LOTS.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW.
WHO DETERMINES IF THEY DO NOT POSE A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ? THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
WHEN THE BUILDING PLANS ARE SUBMITTED, THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED AND THERE IS A CURRENT NON-CONFORMING USE OR CODE VIOLATION AND THEY'RE SUBMITTING AN ADU PERMIT. THAT REVIEW WOULD GO TO THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF IF THERE'S A PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY ISSUE.
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SO IS IT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE INCLUDING IN THIS PACKAGE? BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A BUILDING DEPARTMENT QUESTION, NOT A NECESSARILY A PLANNING QUESTION? OR IS IT BECAUSE THEY VIOLATE PLANNING CONCERNS? THAT IS A YEAH, WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT IN THE APPLICATION MATERIAL TO INFORM THEM.UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF AN ADU PERMIT IS SUBMITTED AND THERE IS A NON-CONFORMING USE OR VIOLATION THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR WILL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
OKAY. AND THEN TAG ALONG TO COMMISSIONER MEENES QUESTION OF THE TRANSIT, THE BUS HUB AT THE MALL, THE PALOMAR AIRPORT AND THE PARK AND RIDE AT LA COSTA DON'T COUNT AS MAJOR TRANSIT.
YEAH, THE DEFINITION IS VERY SPECIFIC TO REGIONAL TRANSIT STOPS.
AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WAS AND, YOU KNOW, TRAIN STOPS.
AND IF THERE WAS A REGIONAL BUS LINE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN OPERATION, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, AND I KNOW SANDAG HAS.
MS. GLENNON CAN I STEP IN HERE? SO THE DEFINITION IN THE LAW IS MAJOR TRANSIT STOP.
SO THEY DO NOT MEET THAT STANDARD.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE FRONT YARD ADU AS A MAXIMUM OF 800FT².
SO YOU CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? IT COULD BE 800FT² OR LESS.
CORRECT. AND THEY'RE STILL ALLOWING THE FOUR FOOT SETBACK.
YES. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE FOUR FOOT REAR AND SIDE SETBACK.
AND. YES, SO THEY AND THEY COULD BUILD WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA.
SO WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, BUT THEY CAN PROTRUDE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IF THERE IS NO OTHER IF THE 800 SQUARE FOOT ADU CAN'T BE FULLY FIT WITHIN THE BUILDABLE AREA.
OKAY. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT FLYER THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUBLISHED ON THE FOURTH PAGE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE DETACHED ADUS GREATER THAN GREATER THAN 800FT², HAVE A TEN FOOT SEPARATION FROM THE MAIN RESIDENCE. SO SO SINCE THESE 400 SINCE THESE 800 SQUARE FOOT FRONT YARD ADUS ARE UNDER THAT 800 SQUARE FOOT FOR THE TEN FOOT SEPARATION, THAT MEANS THAT IT COULD BE LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE ADU ? YES. SO JUST JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION, THE CITY RECENTLY THROUGH THE ZONING CODE CLEANUP ORDINANCE HAS REMOVED THE REQUIREMENT FOR TEN FOOT SEPARATION BUILDING SEPARATION SETBACK, THAT THAT WAS A CITY STANDARD, NOT A STATE MANDATED, MANDATED STANDARD THAT WAS BASED ON OLD BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.
THAT ORDINANCE, I THINK IT'S 432 CITY ZONING CLEANUP ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY COASTAL COMMISSION YET, SO THAT STANDARD IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO THE COASTAL ZONE FOR RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE COASTAL ZONE, UNTIL THE COASTAL COMMISSION ACTS ON IT AND APPROVES THE AMENDMENT.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE TEN FOOT SEPARATION.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY ONLY GOING TO GET SIX FEET OF BUILDING SPACE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD YOUR ADU, WHICH ISN'T REALLY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT VIABLE AS A BUILDING.
SO SO THAT WAS REALLY MY CONCERN WAS DOES THE TEN FOOT STAND OR IS IT REALLY BASED ON THE BUILDING CODE, WHICH IS THE WALL RATINGS AND THE THREE FOOT SEPARATION IF THEY'RE NOT RATED? I DON'T YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
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I. YES, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO.YEAH, WE WILL REQUIRE THE BUILDING CODE.
BUILDING SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING CODE.
WE WILL INFORM APPLICANTS ABOUT THIS NEW THIS STANDARD BEING REMOVED PER THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL.
IF WE ESPECIALLY WITH THESE NON-CONFORMING LOTS, I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE ADHERE TO THE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ALLOW ADUS IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ADUS IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. SO SO THAT'S KIND OF AND THAT SORT OF GOES BACK TO THE BACK OF THE THING WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY SAYING IT SHALL NOT INCLUDE REQUIREMENTS ON LOT SIZE OR LOT COVERAGE.
SO, SO THE LOT SIZE AND THE LOT COVERAGE ARE THINGS THAT I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH, UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE COMPENSATION THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR STANDARDS, BUT WE ALSO ARE BEING TOLD BY THE STATE THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE THESE TYPES OF HOUSING PROJECTS.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WELL, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION.
THERE'S SORT OF TWO TYPES OF ADUS THAT WE PROCESS.
THERE ARE THE ADUS THAT MEET THE STRICT DEFINITION OF OUR CODE.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER TYPE OF ADU THAT WE CALL THE MANDATORY ADU.
AND THAT SECTION IS REALLY EMPOWERED BY STATE LAW WHICH SAYS THAT REGARDLESS OF YOUR OTHER REGULATIONS AND IF YOU MEET OTHER CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, YOU CAN BUILD AN UP TO 800 SQUARE FOOT ADU.
AND SO IT HASN'T COME UP THAT I'M AWARE OF.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT IF THE LOT COVERAGE WAS AN ISSUE FOR CERTAIN ZONE AND MOST OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONES HAVE LOT COVERAGE, NOT ALL ZONES DO, BUT THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO BUILD UP TO 800 SQUARE FOOT ADU.
ANYTHING TO ADD, COUNSELOR? THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ADD IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT CODE THAT AUTHORIZES OR MANDATES THAT ADU ORDINANCES BE PASSED, IT'S ALL WITHIN THE SAME CODE SECTION.
SO THE FIRST PART OF IT TALKS ABOUT A LOCAL ORDINANCE CAN BE ENACTED, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, TO ALLOW FOR AN ADU TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS SET BY THE LOCAL AGENCY.
BUT WHERE THE STATE SAYS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON A LOCAL LEVEL.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT TEN FOOT COULD PRECLUDE IT COULD PRECLUDE FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR LOCAL ADU ORDINANCE. BUT IF IT FITS THE STATE'S MANDATORY ADU, THEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT.
YEAH, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE.
I DO WANT TO THANK THE AUDIOVISUAL STAFF IN THE BACK.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE LIVE STREAM UP SO I COULD LISTEN IN IN THE CAR.
SO I GOT TO LISTEN TO THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION AND IT WAS GREAT.
THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATED THE PUBLIC COMMENT TOO.
THAT'S A REALLY WONDERFUL ANECDOTE.
JUST EARLIER TODAY, I BECAME THE PROUD TENANT OF A JUNIOR ADU IN THE CITY.
SO I AM, YOU KNOW, REALLY PERSONALLY INVESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME, LIKE AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE SIMILARLY SITUATED, CAN HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND ADUS ARE A REALLY GREAT WAY OF DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY BUILD THE NECESSARY HOUSING THAT WE HAVE TO UNDER ARENA IN A WAY THAT SCATTERS DENSITY IN A WAY THAT REALLY THE GENERAL PUBLIC AT LARGE, IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THEM AND IT'S NOT VERY ACCEPTABLE TO THEM.
AND A LOT OF THE OTHER WAYS THAT WE ADD HOUSING IN THE CITY.
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I WOULD LIKE TO BE CORRECTED IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THIS, BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE THE FACT FINDERS, WE THE COMMISSION, AS FAR AS WHAT CONSTITUTES A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY RISK, IS THAT MORE OR LESS ACCURATE? WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE ACCURATE IF THE ITEM WASN'T BEFORE YOU.AND THE ADUS THE ADUS IS A GENERAL RULE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BEFORE YOU UNLESS THERE WAS SOME KIND OF AN APPEAL POTENTIALLY.
BUT SO YOU WOULD NOT BE THE FACT FINDER IN THAT INSTANCE.
IT WOULD BE WHOEVER IS THE ONE WHO'S GIVING THE APPROVAL AT THE THE LOWER LEVEL.
WHICH IN MOST CASES IS EITHER MYSELF AS THE CITY PLANNER, IF THEY ARE IN THE COASTAL ZONE OR IT IS OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL WHO WOULD BE ISSUING THE BUILDING PERMIT ITSELF AND WE ANY ISSUE PERMITS, WE ISSUE WE RELY ON WOULD RELY ON THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THAT DETERMINATION.
BUT IN THIS CASE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REACH.
SO IN THE EVENT THAT IT WAS BEFORE US, WE WOULD BE THE FACT FINDERS.
RIGHT. SO THE FACT FINDER OF THE APPROVAL OF THE ITEM WOULD BE THE THAT FACT FINDER.
THANK YOU. THAT CLARIFIES IT FOR ME.
THEY DO NOT APPLY TO ANY ADU ABOVE 800FT².
BUT I WILL ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF THERE WOULD BE ANY INTEREST IN MAKING THAT LIMIT 1,200FT² SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF 800FT², WHICH WOULD ALLOW.
IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO BUILD LARGER ADUS, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW POTENTIALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LOOKING TO RENT STUDIOS AND ONE BEDROOMS, BUT POTENTIALLY RENTS TWO BEDROOMS AND THREE BEDROOMS. BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO START FAMILIES HERE IN CARLSBAD AND ADUS ARE A WAY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT.
SO I WOULD I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN APPLYING THESE CODE AMENDMENTS TO ADUS, WHICH ARE UNDER 1,200FT² RATHER THAN JUST THOSE THAT ARE UNDER 800FT². AND I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO SO THE ONLY STANDARD THAT APPLIES TO THE BY-RIGHT ADUS IS THE FRONT YARD EXEMPTION. THE OTHER STANDARDS APPLY TO OTHER ADUS.
SO BUT YEAH, THE FRONT YARD PROTRUSION OR EXEMPTION.
SORRY THAT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR BY-RIGHT ADU.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THAT'S THE ONLY STANDARD THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO FOR BY-RIGHT ADUS.
AND SO YEAH, I THINK IN AS MUCH AS IT MODIFIES THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEFORE THE COMMISSION THAT COULD BE THERE, IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THE MANDATORY ADU TO JUST GENERALLY APPLY FROM THE 800FT².
THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO DO.
OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOTED IN THE ON PAGE FIVE OF THE BRIEF.
THE STAFF REPORT IS DEMOLITION NOTICE AND IT TALKS ABOUT.
ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT DISTRICTS.
ARE THERE ANY IN CARLSBAD? CURRENTLY THERE IS NO HISTORIC AND HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC DISTRICT ASSIGNED IN CITY OF CARLSBAD. I BELIEVE THERE IS A PROCESS THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMUNITY CAN BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
BUT CURRENTLY THERE IS NOT ONE.
SO YEAH, IF THERE WAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT ESTABLISHED, THEN THOSE RULES WOULD APPLY.
ADDITIONALLY, IF THERE WAS A DEMOLITION OF A STRUCTURE AS PART OF AN ADU APPLICATION, THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY HISTORIC RESOURCE, WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT AS PART OF OUR STANDARD PROCESSES AND THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
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WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN HAS OBVIOUSLY A SPECIAL PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY.SO I'M WONDERING HOW THAT MAYBE AFFECTS SOME OF THIS.
AND OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A RICH HISTORY OF THESE SMALL LITTLE UNITS IN ESPECIALLY THE BARRIO AREA WHERE THE FARM WORKER HOUSING VERY SMALL UNITS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF THAT THE PRECURSOR TO ALL THIS ADU KIND OF CONVERSATION.
THESE ARE SOMETHING THAT I THINK CONTEXTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE A REALLY INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF RECREATE OR MIMIC IF THAT'S A IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ESPECIALLY IN IN OUR VILLAGE AREA AND BARRIO AREA THAT COULD BE MAYBE APPLIED.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT HOW WE ARE TREATING HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF HARNESS WHAT WE HAVE FROM OUR PAST TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FUTURE.
SO, SO I'M KIND OF JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE DO, IF HISTORIC PRESERVATION DECIDES THEY WANT TO CREATE A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE VILLAGE OF BARRIO, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? STATE LAW WOULD APPLY, WHICH MEANS THIS REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT SAYS REFER TO CODE 65852.285 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE RULES WOULD BE IN RELATIONSHIP TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO STATE LAW WOULD WOULD KICK IN.
SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE OUR JURISDICTION IN A SENSE.
IT WOULD BE REALLY THE STATE'S.
WELL, NO YOUR JURISDICTION APPLYING STATE LAW.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO THE INFORMATIONAL PART OF THE AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT WE WON'T BE COMMENTING ON THAT, BUT WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE INFORMATIONAL PART ON THE PRE APPROVED PLANS, CORRECT? YEAH. YES. OKAY.
AS DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
THE PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO IMPLEMENT HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM 1.2 TO PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADUS.
IN OCTOBER 2021 CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH A PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FIRM TO COMPLETE THE PROGRAM CONSISTENT WITH THE TERMS OF THE GRANT. NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY PLANNING, COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL.
OH, SORRY. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF EXPAND ON THE PROGRAM.
THERE ARE MANY BENEFITS TO THIS PROGRAM.
IT DOES ENCOURAGE CONSTRUCTION OF ADUS BY PROVIDING FREE OF CHARGE PRE-APPROVED BUILDING PLANS FOR DETACHED ONE STORY ADUS.
THE PLANS WILL INCLUDE FOR UP TO FOUR FOUR FLOOR PLANS AND THREE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.
STAFF CONDUCTED RESEARCH INTO KIND OF WHAT WAS THE MOST COMMON TYPES OF ADUS THAT WERE RECENTLY DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND ALSO THROUGH A PUBLIC SURVEY THAT WAS CONDUCTED LAST YEAR.
SO BASED ON THE DATA COLLECTION AND PUBLIC OUTREACH AND FROM THE EXPERT OPINIONS OF OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS WHO PREPARE, WHO ALSO PREPARED THE CITY OF ENCINITAS ADU PROGRAM STAFF HAS DEVELOPED THE FOUR FLOOR PLANS SHOWN HERE, WHICH INCLUDES THE STUDIO ONE BEDROOM, A TWO BEDROOM AND THREE THREE BEDROOM OPTIONS.
THEY RANGE IN SIZE FROM 400 TO 1000FT².
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UM. SEE.WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING A SPANISH STYLE SHOWN HERE IN THE TWO BEDROOM FLOOR PLAN, AS WELL AS A CONTEMPORARY MODERN STYLE SHOWN HERE FOR THE STUDIO.
THE CITY IS ALSO OFFERING EACH FLOOR PLAN TO HAVE AN INDOOR OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE AS SHOWN HERE.
SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO NOW THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO DISCUSS ITEM ANY FURTHER.
YES WHEN I REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT, IT SEEMS TO ME OUR CALLING HERE TONIGHT IS FAIRLY NARROW, AND THAT'S TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH STATE LAW.
IT'S NOT TO CHANGE STANDARDS THAT WE THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE BETTER STANDARDS.
SO I SEE THIS AS A FAIRLY NARROW ROLE THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, STATE LAW HAS BEEN FOISTED ON US, BASICALLY.
AND AND IT'S A QUESTION OF MAKING SURE OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES ARE CONSISTENT.
I THINK OUR STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
IT'S NO SECRET. AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE, INCLUDING HERE IN CARLSBAD, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE THE MEDIAN PRICE OF A HOME HERE IN CARLSBAD EXCEEDS $1 MILLION NOW, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT FOR PARTICULARLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TRYING TO GET STARTED.
AND FIND HOUSING HERE IN THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE USED TO REFER TO ADUS UNDER THE EUPHEMISM GRANNY FLATS.
WELL, AS COMMISSIONER SABELLICO INDICATES, HE HARDLY FITS THAT QUALIFICATION.
AND IT'S IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, IT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE THESE OPTIONS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE COMMISSIONER SABELLICO THAT GIVE THEM OPTIONS IN HOUSING SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOCATE THEMSELVES IN ANOTHER CITY JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
SO I THINK OVERALL HAVING THE ADUS IS IS A GOOD THING.
IT'S BASICALLY IT IS WHAT IT IS, IS OVERALL A GOOD THING.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN CHANGING OUR ORDINANCES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? YES COMMISSIONER MEENES.
NO, I THINK COMMISSIONER STINE SAID IT QUITE WELL, SO I'D SUPPORT IT AS WELL.
AND MR. SABELLICO. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY? YES. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLANS, PLEASE? I HAVE TO SAY THAT THESE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED FROM WHAT WE SAW IN THE BRIEFING.
THE BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE MORE OF JUST HOW THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDED, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY OUR LOT SIZES ARE SMALL AND SOME OF THESE UNITS ARE BIGGER THAN MOST OF THE HOUSES IN OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THAT SORT OF BRINGS ME BACK TO THE QUESTION OF WHEN WE CAN ONLY BUILD HALF OF THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING HOME, BUT THE EXISTING HOME MAY BE 1,100 SQUARE FEET.
HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY SORT OF HURDLE THAT WITH THESE 1,200 SQUARE FOOT UNITS?
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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.YES. SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF A CASE BY CASE BASIS REVIEW.
AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS THE MOST FEASIBLE.
IF THEY WANTED, FOR EXAMPLE, TO USE THIS, THE SMALLEST ADU IS, WHAT WAS IT, 400FT².
SO I'LL JUST ADD THAT THREE OF THESE PLANS HERE ARE THE 800FT² OR LESS.
OKAY. AND IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE MORE THING.
THE THE THESE ARE DETACHED ADUS.
THE REQUIREMENT FOR 50% OF THE HOUSE SIZE IS FOR ATTACHED.
THESE ARE OPTIONS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS WE BASED THESE OPTIONS ON WHAT WERE THE ACTUAL SIZES WE WERE SEEING IN OUR PERMIT APPLICATIONS AND FOR CONSTRUCTION SIZE AND FEE LEVEL, WE WERE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THREE OPTIONS THAT WERE ON THE LOWER END BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN OUR NUMBERS.
I DID INCLUDE I PASSED OUT A LITTLE FLIER FOR EACH OF YOU OF SOME PLANS THAT ARE FROM A 1925 BOOK CALLED THE PACIFIC READY CUT HOMES.
AND BASICALLY IT'S LIKE A KIT OF PARTS FROM 1925 THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE SEARS CATALOG HOMES.
AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT WOULD APPLY TO THESE TYPES OF HOMES.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT IF WE CAN IF I CAN SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU, THEN WE CAN KIND OF HOPEFULLY SHARE IT WITH THE CONSULTANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP MAYBE CREATE MORE COMPATIBILITY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THE BIGGER CONCERN OVER ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE.
AND SO YOU'LL BE SEEING THE THE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
SO THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER AVENUE, AN AREA THAT THIS CAN BE FOR CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. I THINK ALL OF THESE COMMENTS TONIGHT, I THINK, SHOW THE CITY OF CARLSBAD'S WILLINGNESS AND ENTHUSIASM IN HAVING ADUS AND MAKING THEM A PART OF OUR HOUSING SOLUTION.
I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF BEGRUDGINGLY GOING ALONG WITH STATE MANDATES AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES STATE MANDATES ARE GOOD, SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT A FAN OF STATE MANDATES.
AND I WOULD LIKE US TO GO FURTHER THAN STATE MANDATES.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD STRIVE TO GO BEYOND THE BARE MINIMUM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A BARE MINIMUM CITY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE 800FT² TO 1,200FT²T.
BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
UH, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. AND THEN I JUST PERSONALLY, I YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING.
I MENTIONED WE'RE ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON AN ADU AND OUR LOT WAS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING JOURNEY GOING THROUGH ALL OF IT. SO I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT AND JUST THE THINGS WE'RE DOING TO TO STREAMLINE IT.
I MEAN, IT'S ALSO INTERESTING SEEING THE THE PLANS BECAUSE OURS IS, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THE SITE.
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SO I VERY MUCH SUPPORT THIS.AND ALSO TOO I THINK JUST ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I YOU KNOW, BEING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR COMMISSIONER SABELLICO AND HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, ALSO IN OUR TESTIMONY AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, FROM DANICA, FROM JUST HAVING, YOU KNOW, YOUNG PEOPLE HERE.
AND IT'S EXCITING TO TO SEE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S PART OF OUR GROWTH AS A VIBRANT CITY.
SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE HIS COMMENTS.
MOVE STAFF APPROVAL IN THE RESOLUTION ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
YES, COMMISSIONER MEENES SECONDS.
OKAY. THE VOTE PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
SO WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SEE, THAT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES: (Part 2 of 2)]
YES, COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.IF IT'S OKAY, I THINK WE CAN BRING THE MINUTES BACK.
YES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM CAN VOTE ON THAT.
SO IF WE HAVE THREE OUT OF THE FIVE, YOU COULD TAKE THE MINUTES AND ACTION ON THEM.
OKAY, LET'S GET BACK TO THE MINUTES HERE.
I HAD MADE THE MOTION. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN.
APPROVE THE MINUTES AS APPROVED.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? OH, YEAH, I SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT AGAIN.
OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES WITH THREE YES AND TWO ABSTAINING.
NOW, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS:]
YES. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.THANK YOU. HISTORIC PRESERVATION MET MONDAY AND WENT OVER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. THE CARLSBAD MILLS ACT PROGRAM UPDATE WAS PROVIDED AND APPROVED BY THE BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, AND THEY DISCUSSED CERTAIN OUTREACH STRATEGIES AND PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NOT ONLY HISTORICALLY, LOCALLY, HISTORICALLY DESIGNATING THEIR PROPERTIES, BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE TAX SUBSIDY OR TAX REDUCTION, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, OF BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THESE PRECIOUS HOMES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE WILL COME TO FRUITION.
THE TOUR OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER OF 2022, THEY ALSO RECAPPED THAT AND TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT WE DO HAVE THAT WERE ON THE ORIGINAL THAT WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL PRE 1990 LIST.
SO THERE'S 13 PROPERTIES REMAINING.
BUT THE BIG CONCERN WAS THE THIRD GRADE ART PROGRAM, WHICH WILL STILL BECAUSE NOW IT'S ALL UNDER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXCEPT THE THIRD GRADE ART WILL STILL BE RUN BY THE LIBRARIANS.
SO THEY WERE ALL VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK HOPEFULLY THEY'LL CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF HELP HOMEOWNERS WITH THIS PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ESPECIALLY GETTING MILLSAP APPLICANTS AND, YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT OUR REAL HISTORY IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT MAYBE WE DON'T ALWAYS THINK ABOUT, BUT IS VERY VALUABLE AND WHY WE LIKE TO LIVE HERE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY REPORT ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.
WE'VE BEEN AT IT ACTUALLY FOR A YEAR.
WE STARTED FIRST MEETING WAS MARCH OF 2022, SO WE'VE HAD SOME, LET'S JUST SAY, LIVELY DISCUSSIONS.
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WE HAVE SOME HONEST DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES.SOME AREAS WE AGREE, PARTICULARLY LIVELY DISCUSSIONS AND DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ON THE ISSUE OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR PARK AND OPEN SPACE. THOSE WERE A LOT OF DEBATE ON THOSE.
SO COMMITTEE LIKES TO HAVE CONSENSUS WHERE WE CAN, AND WE'VE HAD CONSENSUS ON A NUMBER OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, BUT CERTAINLY ON SOME OF THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL ONES I MENTIONED TO PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, WE BASICALLY HAD TO TAKE A VOTE AND GO BY MAJORITY RULE.
SO WE'VE COMPLETED GOING THROUGH EACH OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE EXISTING GROWTH MANAGEMENT LAW, AND WE'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ON EACH OF THOSE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED SOME ADDITIONAL ONES AND STAFF IS GOING TO BE PUTTING TOGETHER EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DECIDED ON IN A NICE HANDBOOK OR BOOKLET OR REPORT, DRAFT REPORT THAT WILL BE GOING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK.
WE MEET NEXT THURSDAY, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE 23RD TO REVIEW THAT.
THAT WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE SEEN ALL THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE EITHER AGREED TO BY CONSENSUS OR THAT WE'VE HAD A VOTE IN THE MAJORITY IN A MAJORITY PREVAILED.
THEY'LL BE ALL TOGETHER IN A BOOK.
AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE CALL QUALITY OF LIFE STANDARDS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WILL BE PART OF IT. THEY'RE NOT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
THEY'RE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE AN APPENDIX TO THIS REPORT.
SO I SHOULD HAVE MORE FOR YOU NEXT MONTH WHEN WE MEET.
BUT HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE MEETING NEXT WEEK.
IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG, LONG SLOG.
WE START AT 5:00 AND WE DON'T GET OUT UNTIL 8:00, 830, SOMETIMES CLOSE TO 9:00.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
PEOPLE PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND THOUGHT TO IT.
I'VE BEEN GLAD TO BE PART OF IT, BUT NEXT MEETING I HOPE TO HAVE MORE SPECIFICS FOR YOU AND CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS IS PREPARED TO RECOMMEND ON EACH OF THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, ANY REPORTS?
[CITY PLANNER REPORT:]
[INAUDIBLE] THE ONLY THINGS I WAS GOING TO MENTION IS THE VACANCY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPLICATIONS ARE DUE ON MARCH 20TH, SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET THOSE IN AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER JOINING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.AND THEN WE DO HAVE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE NEXT THREE MEETINGS.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY? NO, SIR. OKAY, WELL, WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.
THANK YOU. OKAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.