Apr 11, 2023 City Council Meeting

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IT'S 5:00. I'M CALLING MEETING TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

NEXT IS THE PLEDGE. I INVITE DR.

BHAT-PATEL TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

PLEASE RISE. PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART.

READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

NEXT IS PRESENTATIONS.

[PRESENTATIONS]

THANK YOU, MAYOR. PLEASE, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE UP DEPUTY LIBRARY DIRECTORS SHEILA CROSBY AND KATIE NYE.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

THIS IS NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK, APRIL 23RD THROUGH THE 29TH.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN INVITE YOU TO GIVE SOME COMMENTS.

WHEREAS LIBRARIES ARE STEADFAST AND TRUSTED RESOURCES PLAYING AN INTEGRAL ROLE IN A STRONG, CONNECTED COMMUNITY AS CENTERS OF INFORMATION, LIFELONG LEARNING, ENJOYMENT OF READING AND CULTURAL ENRICHMENT, AND WHEREAS, LIBRARIES PROVIDE EQUAL ACCESS FOR ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO PROGRAMS AND SERVICES, INCLUDING BOOKS, COMPUTERS, EBOOKS, STREAMING MUSIC AND VIDEO PLACES TO GATHER IN PERSON AND VIRTUAL PROGRAMS, CURBSIDE MATERIAL, PICKUP AND LIBRARIAN SUPPORT, AND WHEREAS, LIBRARIES PLAY A PIVOTAL ROLE IN TWO OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S AREAS OF FOCUS, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE, AND WHEREAS, CARLSBAD CITY LIBRARY IS CELEBRATING NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK BY LAUNCHING CARLSBAD, READS TOGETHER 2023, A COMMUNITY WIDE READING PROGRAM, FOSTERING DIALOG AND A LOVE OF READING THROUGH THIS SELECTION OF THREE BOOKS FOR ADULTS, THE LINE BECOMES A RIVER BY FRANCISCO CANTU FOR TEENS UNEARTHED A JESSICA CRUZ STORY BY LILLIAM RIVERA AND FOR CHILDREN BRIGHT STAR BY YUYI MORALES.

NOW, THEREFORE, I COUNCIL MEMBER MELANIE BURKHOLDER, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF APRIL 23RD THROUGH 29TH 2023 NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK, LADIES.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I AM SHEILA CROSBY AND THIS IS KATIE NYE, AND WE ARE YOUR DEPUTY LIBRARY DIRECTORS FOR THE LIBRARY AND CULTURAL ARTS DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND CELEBRATION WITH US OF NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK, WHICH WILL BE APRIL 23RD TO 29TH AND NATIONAL LIBRARY WORKERS DAY ON APRIL 25TH.

AS YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARIANS, WE BELIEVE STEADFASTLY IN THE POWER OF THE PUBLIC LIBRARY TO BRING COMMUNITIES TOGETHER FOR CULTURAL ENRICHMENT, IDEA SHARING AND LIFELONG LEARNING.

LIBRARIES ARE NOT JUST PROVIDERS OF BOOKS, BUT SYMBOLS OF DEMOCRACY AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY WHERE EVERYONE IS WELCOME NO MATTER THEIR BACKGROUND OR FINANCIAL STATUS, WHERE KNOWLEDGE IS VALUED AND WHERE OUR HUMAN STORIES ARE MADE AND TOLD, AND SPEAKING OF BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

THE THEME FOR NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK THIS YEAR IS THERE'S MORE TO THE STORY, WHICH TIES IN SPECTACULARLY WITH OUR ANNUAL READING EVENT, CARLSBAD, READS TOGETHER.

THIS PROGRAM INCLUDES A MONTH OF ACTIVITIES AS WE ENCOURAGE ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO COME TOGETHER AND READ AND DISCUSS THE SAME BOOKS.

THIS YEAR'S SELECTIONS ARE FOR ADULTS.

THE LINE BECOMES A RIVER BY FRANCISCO CANTU, WHICH IS THE TRUE STORY OF A US BORDER PATROL AGENTS EXPERIENCE ON THE FRONT LINES OF THE US-MEXICO BORDER.

A LIVE VIRTUAL AUTHOR EVENT WITH FRANCISCO CANTU WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 27TH AT 6 P.M.

VIA ZOOM. FOR TEENS, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, UNEARTHED A JESSICA CRUZ STORY BY LILLIAN RIVERA, A GRAPHIC NOVEL THAT REIMAGINES THE STORY OF DC COMICS, GREEN LANTERN.

JESSICA CRUZ WITH A TALE OF IMMIGRATION, FAMILY AND OVERCOMING FEAR TO INSPIRE HOPE AND FOR CHILDREN.

BRIGHT STAR BY YUYI MORALES.

THIS CHARMING PICTURE BOOK TELLS THE STORY OF A FAWN MAKING HER WAY THROUGH A LANDSCAPE TEEMING WITH FLORA AND FAUNA INSPIRED BY OUR REGION.

ALL OF THE PROGRAMS AND INFORMATION AND WAYS TO PARTICIPATE FOR CARLSBAD READS TOGETHER ARE ON THE LIBRARY'S WEB.

CARLSBAD READS TOGETHER IS GENEROUSLY SPONSORED BY OUR FRIENDS OF THE CARLSBAD LIBRARY, AND SO WE'D LIKE TO EXTEND A BIG THANK YOU TO THEM.

WE INVITE EVERYONE IN THE CARLSBAD COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK, WHETHER IT'S STOPPING BY THE LIBRARY LEARNING CENTER TO ADMIRE ITS FANTASTIC NEW MURAL,

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ON BEHALF OF ALL LIBRARY AND CULTURAL ARTS STAFF, WE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND FOR RECOGNIZING YOUR LIBRARY AS THE AMAZING COMMUNITY RESOURCE THAT WE KNOW IT IS. IT IS TRULY A PLEASURE TO SERVE YOU.

THANK YOU. WERE YOU TO HANG OUT? BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE NEXT PROCLAMATION, WE'D LIKE TO DO A GROUP PHOTO.

YES, PLEASE MAKE A COMMENT.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THIS LAST PROCLAMATION BECAUSE I FOUND OUT, GOSH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO THAT AS PART OF MY LIBRARY CARD, I ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO AUDIOBOOKS THROUGH LIBBY, WHICH IS AN APP THAT YOU COULD JUST DOWNLOAD AND YOU PUT IN YOUR LIBRARY CARD NUMBER AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO AUDIOBOOKS, AND I HEARD ABOUT THIS BOOK BY FRANCISCO CANTU, THIS BORDER PATROL AGENT WHO TALKED ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCES, AND I LISTENED TO THE AUDIOBOOK, WHICH IS NARRATED BY HIM.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO AMAZING.

I HEARD THE WHOLE BOOK.

I LISTENED TO THE WHOLE THING WHILE I WAS DOING CHORES OR WALKING.

I WOULD LISTEN TO THE AUDIOBOOK AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL SELECTION.

I'M SO EXCITED THAT I GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS CARLSBAD, READS TOGETHER EVENT.

I WISH I COULD MAKE THE LIVE CHAT, THE VIRTUAL EVENT WITH THE AUTHOR, BUT I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL TO THE LIBRARY SYSTEM FOR MAKING THESE KINDS OF EVENTS POSSIBLE AND DOING THESE GREAT, GREAT ACTIVITIES TOGETHER WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

NEXT, I INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA TO GIVE THE PROCLAMATION FOR ARBOR WEEK.

WELL, AFTER FOLLOWING THOSE TWO LADIES, I DON'T THINK I WANT TO PRESENT THE PROCLAMATION.

THEY SOUND LIKE THEY'RE PRESENTING AT AN ACADEMY OR EMMY AWARDS.

THEY'RE ELOQUENT AND BEAUTIFUL, AND SO BUT THIS IS ARBOR WEEK AND THIS IS OUR PROCLAMATION, AND WE'RE SHARING THE WEEK WITH YOU, AND I DO HAVE TO SAY THIS.

THE LIBRARIES ARE UNDER THE TREES.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SHARING THIS WEEK, YOU ARE UNDER OUR TREES.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE ARIEL DE LA PAZ.

OKAY, SUPERINTENDENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION, WHO WILL HAVE A FEW WORDS AFTER WE GO AHEAD WITH THE PRESENTATION.

SO AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON, TOO.

SO IN 1872, WHEREAS J.

STERLING MORTON I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, PROPOSED TO THE NEBRASKA BOARD OF AGRICULTURE THAT A SPECIAL DAY BE SET ASIDE FOR THE PLANTING OF TREES.

THE HOLIDAY ENTITLED ARBOR DAY, ENTITLED ARBOR DAY, IS NOW OBSERVED THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND THE WORLD, AND WHEREAS, ARBOR DAY PROVIDES AN EXCELLENT PLATFORM TO INCREASE AWARENESS OF THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN HEALTHY FOREST ECOSYSTEMS, PEOPLE AND ECONOMIES, AND.

WHEREAS, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A TREE CITY USA BY THE NATIONAL ARBOR DAY FOUNDATION AND THE USDA FOREST SERVICE FOR THE 19TH CONSECUTIVE YEAR AND DESIRES TO CONTINUE TREE PLANTING AND MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS , AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, WE WILL CELEBRATE ARBOR DAY BY HAVING VOLUNTEERS, PLANT TREES, GATHER INFORMATION ON TREES AND VIEW EQUIPMENT DISPLAYS AT AN ARBOR DAY EVENT.

NOW, THEREFORE, I COUNCIL MEMBER CAROLYN LUNA, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND MY CITY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF APRIL 23RD THROUGH 29TH, 2023 AS ARBOR WEEK IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THE SUPPORT FOR OUR TREE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

ARBOR DAY IS A CELEBRATION IS A KEY COMPONENT FOR OUR CITY OF CARLSBAD COMMUNITY FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN.

ARBOR DAY IS A HOLIDAY THAT CELEBRATES THE PLANTING THE UP-KEEPING AND PRESERVATION OF TREES.

THIS YEAR'S ARBOR DAY EVENT WILL BE HELD AT [INAUDIBLE] PARK.

IT'S ON APRIL 29TH.

IT STARTS AT 8:30 TO 11:30 A.M.

WE WILL BE PLANTING 25 TREES.

OF ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, THIS IS THE MOST I'VE EVER HAD, AND THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR WITH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISPLAY OF OUR MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME EDUCATIONAL BROCHURES REGARDING TREE CARE TO HAND OUT.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR PARTNERING AGENCY JOINING US IN SUPPORT OF OUR ONGOING MAINTENANCE PROGRAM AND TREE PLANTING EFFORTS.

WITH US IS CAL FIRE, WEST COAST ARBORIST, URBAN CORP, AND JUST THIS AFTERNOON, SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC JUST

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NOW, FINALLY, I WANT TO INTRODUCE TO ALL MARCO DE ANDA WITH CAL FIRE.

HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT AND SHARE WHAT TREE CITY USA IS ABOUT.

OKAY, HELLO, MAYOR.

COUNCIL AND PUBLIC OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR AS A REGIONAL URBAN FORESTER FOR SAN DIEGO IMPERIAL ORANGE, AND THIS IS MY SECOND TIME PRESENTING A TREE CITY USA AWARD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

THIS IS THE 19TH YEAR THAT YOU GUYS GET THIS AWARD AND IT TAKES A GREAT LEVEL OF COMMITMENT AND IT TAKES A GREAT LEVEL OF MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION AND ALSO TENDING THE TREES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BE AWARDED THE AWARDED THIS CERTIFICATE.

TREE CITY USA IS ONE OF THE OLDEST PROGRAMS WITHIN ARBOR DAY FOUNDATION.

IN ORDER FOR A COMMUNITY TO BE AWARDED THIS CERTIFICATE, THIS AWARD, THEY NEED TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA.

ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IS TO HAVE A TREE CITY ORDINANCE, SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER CAPITA PER TREE EVERY YEAR, OBSERVE AN ARBOR DAY, AND ALSO HAVE A TREE MAINTENANCE COMMITTEE, AND THE ARBOR DAY FOUNDATION WAS CREATED IN 1872 BY VISIONARIES THAT KNEW THAT TREES PROVIDE NOT ONLY ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS BUT ALSO SOCIAL AND ECONOMICAL BENEFITS.

NOWADAYS THEY PROVIDE A SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER AROUND, PROVIDE SHADE, THEY SINK CARBON, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OTHER POSITIVE THINGS THAT TREES DO AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC CAN ENJOY FOR FREE.

IT'S VERY NICE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO BE AROUND GREEN GREENERY.

SO IT'S MY PLEASURE TO AWARD YOU THE TREE CITY USA 19TH CERTIFICATE.

CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I INVITE THE COUNCIL TO COME OFF THE DAIS AND WE'LL TAKE A GROUP PICTURE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

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[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY PROVIDING COMMENTS AS PROVIDED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED COMMENTS AS REQUESTED UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

ALL OTHER NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH THE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY AND THAT THIS IS A CHAMBER.

THIS CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED.

WHEN YOU COME, WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, YOU COME UP AND SPEAK AT THE PODIUM.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

WHEN YOU'RE DOWN TO 2.5 MINUTES, IT'S GOING TO TURN YELLOW, KIND OF GIVING YOU SOME NOTICE, AND TO BE FAIR, I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO SHUT OFF THE MICROPHONE AT THE END OF THE THREE MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? YES. DIANE [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME.

SO YOU KNOW WHO I AM.

I'M A RETIRED SCHOOL TEACHER.

I VOLUNTEER FOR THE CITY WITH THE TRAIL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM AS I USE THE TRAILS FREQUENTLY, AND I'M A CURRENT MEMBER OF CARLSBAD CERT ACADEMY.

I LOVE LIVING IN CARLSBAD.

I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I LOVE MY HOME.

BEFORE I PURCHASED, I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE OF CHECKING OUT THE CCNR'S ZONING SETBACKS AND LAND USE DESIGNATION.

I EDUCATED MYSELF ON WHAT I OR MY NEIGHBORS WERE PERMITTED OR NOT PERMITTED TO DO.

I WORKED HARD, SAVED MONEY AND LIVE WHERE MY INCOME ALLOWS.

I DID NOT EXPECT THE CITY TO PROVIDE ME WITH SUBSIDIZED HOUSING BY THE BEACH, NOR FOR ANYONE ELSE TO REPAY MY STUDENT LOANS.

I COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO PURCHASE CLOSER TO THE COAST, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT WITH SOMEONE LIVING ABOVE, BELOW AND ON EITHER SIDE OF ME.

I SACRIFICED THE PROXIMITY TO THE BEACH FOR A HOUSE WITH A BACKYARD IN A QUIET R-1 NEIGHBORHOOD.

AS A HOME BUYER SIGNING ON THE DOTTED LINE FOR A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE.

WHETHER IT'S TO RAISE A FAMILY OR RETIRE, THERE IS A CERTAIN EXPECTATION THAT THE ZONING LAND USE AND SETBACKS WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

NEVER WOULD I HAVE ASSUMED THAT I COULD ONE DAY HAVE A 4 TO 6 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING DISGUISED AS ADUS LOOMING OVER EVERY SIDE OF MY SINGLE STORY HOME WITH MY ONCE PRIVATE BACKYARD.

WITH THE RECENT STATE MANDATES OUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND PROPERTY RIGHTS AS TO HOW AND WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE.

OUR LIVES HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM ME AND EVERY SINGLE FAMILY ZONED PROPERTY OWNER.

THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE BY A MEMBER OF OUR CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CARLSBAD TO STRIVE TO BECOME LIKE THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AND TO MAKE IT OUR GOAL TO ACHIEVE THE STATE'S PRO HOUSING DESIGNATION.

I COULD NOT DISAGREE MORE.

THEIR POORLY PLANNED HOUSING POLICIES AND PROGRAMS HAVE DESTROYED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS PERMANENTLY, AS THE PHOTOS IN YOUR PACKET CAN ATTEST TO.

THIS IS WHAT COULD HAPPEN HERE IF WE FOLLOW THAT ERRONEOUS AND DESTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION, AND PERHAPS IT'S THE REASON LA JOLLA IS REVIVING THEIR EFFORTS TO SEPARATE FROM THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

CARLSBAD DESERVES BETTER THAN THIS.

AS EACH OF YOU REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE ALREADY AND NOT YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERESTS, WE EXPECT YOU TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR US.

HOWEVER, YOU ARE UNABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOUR VOICE HAS BEEN SILENCED AS WELL, TAKING THIS POWER AWAY FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS ONE WAY OF WIPING OUT DEMOCRACY. I URGE YOU TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED BALLOT INITIATIVE IN 2024 TO REGAIN LOCAL CONTROL SO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T EVER LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THOSE PHOTOS FROM SAN DIEGO.

THANK YOU FOR KEEPING CARLSBAD THE EXCEPTIONAL CITY.

IT ALREADY IS.

BEFORE YOU GO, WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE MADE UP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ACOSTA AND BURKHOLDER.

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I WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. NEXT, CITY ATTORNEY, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION? THANK YOU, MAYOR. THERE WAS NO REPORTABLE ACTION IN CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

CALL THE SPEAKER, PLEASE.

HOPE NELSON.

MAYOR BLACKBURN COUNCIL AND STAFF.

I'M HOPE NELSON, A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD FOR 23 YEARS.

I'M HERE FROM TIME TO TIME BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS HERE SOMETIMES WITH LITTLE NOTICE OR VISIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY OR JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE SIMPLY BUSY LIVES.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER ONE UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY STATEMENT NUMBER 88 BOARD COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE MEMBER APPOINTMENTS.

FOR ANYONE NOT FAMILIAR.

I'LL POINT OUT THAT THIS IS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, MEANING NO DISCUSSION WAS SCHEDULED.

IF YOU HAVE AN AGENDA PACKET, YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG LOOKING AT THE RED LINE DOCUMENT IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

THE STATEMENT OF POLICY IS CURRENTLY STATED AS, AND I'LL QUOTE, TO FORMALIZE THE APPLICATION REVIEW AND INTERVIEW PROCESS FOR THE SELECTION AND APPOINTMENT OF RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON CITY'S BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES, UNQUOTE.

I SUGGEST ADDING AND TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD TO YOUR STATEMENT.

LOOKING THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT I DO NOT SUPPORT ITEM ONE IN EXHIBIT TWO REMOVAL OF POSTING FROM FARADAY ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.

APPARENTLY DUE TO LACK OF SPACE IN THE DISPLAY BOX.

I SUGGEST YOU SPEND A FEW BUCKS AND INVEST IN A SECOND DISPLAY CASE.

THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY AT FARADAY AND THE CITY HAS A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT VACANCIES TO AS MANY FOLKS AS POSSIBLE.

IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS, SO I WANT TO ALSO RECOMMEND THAT ALL APPLICATIONS GO TO ALL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND NOT SIMPLY TO THE RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN REVIEW APPLICATIONS.

I HOPE YOU AGREE.

I ALSO THINK ALL THE APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY WEBSITE FOR COMMUNITY REVIEW.

MY LAST COMMENT, I SEE RED LINED QUOTE, THE CANDIDATES SELECTED TO ADVANCE IN THE PROCESS WILL BE INTERVIEWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

EACH CANDIDATE MAY BE ASKED QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, UNQUOTE.

WHY IS THAT PROCESS BEING REMOVED? YOU ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT TWO CANDIDATES.

AS I UNDERSTAND THE REST OF THE PROCESS, YOU COULD PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT, BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS REMAINING, AREN'T THOSE QUESTIONS BETTER ASKED THAN NOT? AND SINCE IT'S TO SERVE THE CITY, WHAT BETTER PLACE THAN PUBLICLY AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING? I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER MAKING THESE CHANGES SUBTLE AS THEY MAY BE, AGAIN, IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY TO THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO. ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? I'LL START OUT WITH YOU, MS. LUNA. DID YOU HAVE? I ACTUALLY DID.

BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE AND BEING PLACED ON A COMMISSION AND MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEING PLACED ON THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE.

IT HASN'T BEEN REALLY CLEAR.

DEPENDING ON WHO'S SITTING IN THE MAYOR'S CHAIR OR EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON SITTING IN THE MAYOR CHAIR.

I THINK AS WE TRANSITIONED OVER FROM EVERYTHING BEING AT LARGE TO DISTRICTS THINGS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE WORKING IT OUT AND THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROCEDURES.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IS ON THE SEVENTH BULLET DOWN AND THERE'S A RED BULLET IN THERE, WHICH I COUNTED ON ITEM ONE, PAGE SEVEN AND EIGHT, IF WE COULD INSERT THE LANGUAGE IT'S GOT FOLLOWING THE INTERVIEWS IN OPEN SESSION, THE RECOMMENDING AND I'D LIKE TO INSERT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL IDENTIFY THEIR NOMINEES AND THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THEM.

THAT GENERALLY DOES OCCUR, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T, AND IT'S I THINK IF WE STANDARDIZE THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME DISCUSSION TO HAPPEN UP HERE, AND THEN ALSO INSERTING THE RECOMMENDED CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WILL NOMINATE THEIR RECOMMENDED APPOINTEE AND THEN LEAVE THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE THE

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OKAY, AFTER THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A CHANCE TO BE HEARD, I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE MOTION, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

MS. LUNA. OKAY, MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

I ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS FIRST ONE.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS.

SO MAYBE IT'S STAFF QUESTIONS RELATED TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND SOME THINGS I HAD THOUGHT UP ABOUT THIS SECTION.

YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR, WE'RE AT THE VERY SOUTH PART OF THE CITY AND EVEN WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT RELOCATING CITY HALL, THERE WAS A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT LET'S GET SOMETHING MORE CENTRAL TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY DECIDED TO REBUILD THIS CITY HALL, BUT ALSO TO KEEP FARADAY BECAUSE IT IS MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED.

SO TAKING AWAY FARADAY SEEMS LIKE TAKING AWAY A CENTRALLY LOCATED SPOT.

I KNOW WE HAVE THE LIBRARIES, SO I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, LIKE GEOGRAPHICALLY, WHERE ARE THESE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE POSTING THE NOTICES FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSION OPENINGS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE KIND OF DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE CITY? THANKS. WE DO HAVE THE POSTINGS MADE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE HERE AT CITY HALL, THE LIBRARIES AS WELL, AND THEY ARE SENT OFF TO FARADAY BASED OFF THE PROCEDURE.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE SO MANY RECRUITMENTS, IT'S NOT AN EASY WAY TO DISPLAY ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING AGENDAS, INCLUDING ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD GO THERE, BUT THOSE ARE THE LOCATIONS THAT WE SEND THEM TO, AND THAT DISPLAY CASE AT FARADAY IS AT THE BACK DOOR, AND IT DOES ONLY HAVE TWO SIDES TO IT AT THIS TIME, AND WE HAVE TO POST EVERY SINGLE BOARD AND COMMISSION AGENDA IN THAT LOCATION AS WELL.

GREAT. THANK YOU, AND BY THE WAY, THOSE MICS ARE A LITTLE QUIET, SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PLACES WHERE WE ARE POSTING THE OPENINGS FOR ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND OTHER PUBLIC NOTICES, RIGHT? SO THINGS LIKE GOVERNMENT MEETINGS, LIKE OUR MEETINGS ALL HAVE TO BE POSTED AND THEY'RE BEING POSTED AT WE HAVE THREE LIBRARY LOCATIONS, CITY HALL AND THEN ON OUR WEBSITE. SO IT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE AND EVERY GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION ON THE WEBSITE.

CORRECT. WHAT AM I MISSING? AND THEY'RE POSTED HERE.

ADDITIONALLY, WE ALSO WHEN WE SUBMIT THE RECRUITMENTS, WE DO SEND IT TO OUR IN.

I GUESS WE HAVE A LIST OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BOARD AND COMMISSION VACANCIES.

SO THEY SIGN UP ONLINE.

SO WE ACTUALLY END UP EMAILING THEM AS WELL TO NOTIFY THEM OF THE AVAILABLE RECRUITMENTS.

SO IN ADDITION TO IT BEING ON THE WEBSITE, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET THOSE REMINDERS AS WELL.

OKAY, SO ARE OUR OTHER PUBLIC NOTICES FOR OTHER THINGS ALSO KIND OF TRANSITIONING TO THOSE LOCATIONS OR ARE WE ARE THEY ALL ALIGNED OR ARE THESE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE CHANGING? THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES FOR THE PUBLIC FOR MEETINGS ARE PUBLISHED ON OR IN THE NEWSPAPER AS WELL AS PUBLISHED ONLINE.

WE DON'T POST THOSE CURRENTLY AT ANY OF THE BOARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF NOTICE IT IS THAT WE HANDLE THEM ACCORDING TO WHAT MIGHT GOVERN THEM.

HOWEVER, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS VACANCIES THAT IS PARTICULAR TO THAT THOSE LOCATIONS ARE PARTICULAR TO THAT.

OKAY, SO MAYBE I CAN REWORD THIS JUST ONE OTHER WAY.

SO FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC NOTICES AT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, EVERYTHING IS DIGITAL AS ONE OPTION AND EVERYTHING IS HERE AT THIS MAIN CITY HALL LOCATION, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE GOVERNMENT MEETING OR THE OPENING, IT MIGHT ALSO BE IN THE PAPER SENT VIA EMAIL DISTRIBUTION LIST AND SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL.

SOCIAL MEDIA, FARADAY.

YES.

OKAY, I CAN SEE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME COMMUNITY CONCERN ABOUT THERE BEING, YOU KNOW, ONE LESS PLACE TO SEE IT, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OUTLETS, A LOT OF CHANNELS WHERE IT'S BEING PUSHED OUT, AND THE NUMBER ONE THING IS DIGITAL THAT IT'S THERE AS WELL BECAUSE THAT IS NON GEOGRAPHIC SPECIFIC.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON THIS THAT I HAD BROUGHT UP IN MY BRIEFING AS WELL, AND THIS IS ABOUT LIKE COMPILING THE APPLICATIONS INTO A MATRIX. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BIT TIME INTENSIVE.

THAT'S WHAT I READ IN HERE, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST ELABORATE HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE TO LIKE INPUT, DO THE DATA ENTRY AND IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THAT WE COULD DO IT SO THAT THE BURDEN IS NOT ON YOU? A TYPICAL RECRUITMENT CAN TAKE ABOUT 5 TO 6 HOURS.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW MANY APPLICANTS AND HOW MANY RECRUITMENTS OR POSITIONS WE ARE ADVERTISING FOR.

IT IS A VERY MANUAL PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS NOT AUTOMATED.

WE ARE LOOKING INTO, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT PIECE OF THE PROCESS AUTOMATED.

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SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.

GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, GREAT.

SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THESE CHANGES ARE ABOUT BEING MORE EFFICIENT AND THAT I UNDERSTAND WE CAN BE EFFICIENT WITH THE OTHER ADVERTISEMENTS, THE OTHER DIGITAL SORRY, NOT ADVERTISEMENTS, POSTINGS, DIGITAL POSTINGS AS WELL AS OTHER PHYSICAL PAPER POSTINGS, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE DATA ENTRY, IT IS LABOR INTENSIVE. I WAS GOING TO SAY OLD SCHOOL.

YES, WE ARE RETYPING EVERY WORD FROM EVERY APPLICATION INTO THE SPREADSHEET.

IDEALLY, WE COULD FIND SOME AUTOMATED WAY TO PERHAPS JUST TRANSFER THE DATA INTO THE SPREADSHEET, AND I KNOW THAT THOSE RULES EXIST, BUT MAYBE WE'RE JUST GETTING THERE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THIS, AND IT ACTUALLY SURPRISES ME THAT IT WAS SO TIGHTLY WRITTEN TO PRESCRIBE EXACTLY HOW IT OUGHT TO BE DONE, KIND OF MICROMANAGING THAT PROCESS.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DO AGREE WITH THE SOME KIND OF STATEMENT IN HERE ABOUT ADDING TRANSPARENCY.

I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ASPIRE TO.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE EXACTLY THAT WOULD GO.

I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENTER HAD AN OPINION ABOUT WHERE THAT WOULD GO, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TRY TO ALWAYS DO AND I DO THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR OFFICE, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS ALSO TRYING TO DO.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE SOMEWHERE.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MISS BURKHOLDER.

YEAH, I CONCUR WITH MY COLLEAGUE AND MISS NELSON'S ASSESSMENT THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO ADD A LAYER OF TRANSPARENCY FOR US AS A CITY, AND I THINK WE NEVER HAVE A LACK OF APPLICANTS, WHICH IS AMAZING.

YOU GUYS ARE TELLING US THAT TOO, BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY TO ENGAGE RESIDENTS AND THE DECISION MAKING POLICY THAT WE SET UP HERE, AND I THINK TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, ADDING THE TRANSPARENCY WAS AFTER THE STATEMENT OF POLICY, WHERE IT SAYS TO FORMALIZE THE APPLICATION REVIEW, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES AND TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD.

I CAN CERTAINLY GET BEHIND THAT AND MAKING IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.

WITH REGARD TO MY COLLEAGUE LUNA'S CHANGES TO FOLLOWING THE INTERVIEWS IN OPEN SESSION PARAGRAPH, I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE COULD ADD THE YOU KNOW, IT'S STRICKEN RIGHT NOW ABOUT ASKING THE CANDIDATES QUESTIONS.

I THINK JUST ONE LITTLE SENTENCE ABOUT COUNCIL HAS THE PRIVILEGE OF ASKING CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

MAYBE, AND THERE WOULD BE.

I MEAN, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT, BUT IF IT'S NOT IN THE POLICY, THEN IT DOESN'T EXIST, RIGHT? SO PERHAPS THAT WOULD BE PART OF A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

SO THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. I DID WANT TO COMMENT, THOUGH, THAT YOU GUYS ALL DO RECEIVE ALL THE APPLICATIONS, NOT JUST THE RECOMMENDING COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE RECORD.

MRS. BHAT-PATEL. THANK YOU, AND YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS I'M PRETTY SURE ALL OF US GET THE APPLICATIONS.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ENSURING TRANSPARENCY IS A WE'RE ABLE TO AND I KNOW I SAW OUR CITY ATTORNEY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO INCORPORATE THAT.

SO I'M GUESSING WE SHOULD LOOK TO HER ONCE WE DECIDE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

IS THAT OKAY, CINDIE? ONCE WE'RE READY TO DO THAT, WE CAN LOOK TO YOU WHERE THAT WOULD BE BEST.

YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHERE IT SEEMS RIGHT UP FRONT AND EASY TO INSERT IS UNDER PURPOSE.

YOU MIGHT RIGHT NOW, IT READS TO DEVELOP A FORMAL PROCESS AND YOU CAN AMEND IT IF YOU CHOOSE TO STATE TO DEVELOP A FORMAL AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

PERFECT, AND I KNOW JUST.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE STILL, I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY FORMALIZE IT.

I HAVE NO QUALMS INCORPORATING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN THE PERSON MAKES THAT MOTION, HEY, I'M NOMINATING THIS PERSON, WE ARE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OR JUST CLARIFY IF WE WANTED TO.

I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVEN'T--LIKE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM WHERE YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF THAT DISCUSSION.

OKAY, GREAT.

OKAY, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THANKS. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL START WITH THE COMMENTS REAL QUICKLY.

FIRST OF ALL, QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.

IS THIS SO MANY CHANGES THAT YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK OR CAN WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES FROM THE DAIS?

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IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO LONG FOR ME TO CATCH.

SHE WROTE IT DOWN. [CHUCKLING] OKAY, BUT IN GENERAL, IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION FROM THE DAIS OR DO YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK? IF I CAN CAPTURE THEM ALL AND BE ABLE TO RECITE THEM IN IN CONNECTION WITH A MOTION, YOU CAN DO IT TONIGHT.

IF I'M NOT ABLE TO DO IT WHERE YOU ALL ARE AGREEING ON THE LANGUAGE, THEN IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO YOU.

THANK YOU, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD A DISCUSSION OF LAST WEEK WAS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING MORE WITH LESS AND CUTTING BACK, AND THANK YOU TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR IDENTIFYING A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SAVE A LOT OF MAN HOURS, AND THIS MATRIX IS RELATIVELY NEW. WE DIDN'T USE TO HAVE IT, AND THEN WE HAD A COUNCIL WHO THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, AND THAT'S GREAT TO TRY NEW IDEAS.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T USE THE MATRIX AND IT SADDENS ME TO THINK THAT STAFF IS WORKING SO HARD TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT EVEN USING, AND IT'S GOOD.

GOOD FOR US FOR TRYING, BUT IF WE CAN IDENTIFY SOME THINGS THAT WE TRIED IT, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT BENEFICIAL.

LET'S MOVE ON OR GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS UNTIL WE FIND A BETTER IDEA.

I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE.

I THINK THE POSTINGS ARE SUFFICIENT.

SO I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE MOTIONS OF EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, BUT WITH TWO CHANGES, I CAN'T SUPPORT MORE POSTINGS AND I CAN'T SUPPORT CONTINUING THE MATRIX BASED ON THE INFORMATION I HEARD.

SO I DID PROMISE, MISS LUNA THAT I WOULD ALLOW HER TO MAKE THE MOTION.

SO SEE WHAT DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH THE INFORMATION YOU JUST HEARD, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

OKAY, WILL DO.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE POLICY STATEMENT NUMBER 88 WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS UNDER THE PURPOSE LINE TO DEVELOP A FORMAL AND INSERT THE WORDS AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AS WE GO DOWN TO BULLET NUMBER SEVEN.

INCORPORATE THE LANGUAGE.

AFTER FOLLOWING THE STRICKEN LANGUAGE, FOLLOWING THE INTERVIEWS IN OPEN SESSION, THE RECOMMENDING AND THAT WILL BE LEFT THERE.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL, AND THE WORD IDENTIFY WAS STRICKEN, IF WE COULD PUT THAT BACK IN, WOULD IDENTIFY THEIR NOMINEES, AND THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THEM.

THE RECOMMENDED CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WILL NOMINATE THEIR RECOMMENDED APPOINTEE AND THEN LEAVE THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE AS IS, AND I THINK THAT CAPTURES, MR. MAYOR, WHAT YOU ARE ALSO PROPOSING.

THAT'S MY MOTION.

OKAY, I'LL SECOND IT FOR PURPOSES OF CONTINUED DISCUSSION.

MS. BURKHOLDER, YOUR INPUT.

DID I MISS SOMETHING? NO, I THINK THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO ADDRESS AS LONG AS WE ARE CLEAR THAT WE'RE STILL ASKING QUESTIONS AS NEEDED OF THE CANDIDATES. CITY MANAGER.

WOULD YOU LIKE US TO BRING UP A WORD DOCUMENT AND JUST CAPTURE THAT ON THE SCREEN? THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR BOTH THE PUBLIC AND ALL OF US.

SO WE'RE SWIMMING IN CONFUSION OVER THERE.

MISS COBIAN, IS THAT CORRECT, THEN? AM I CORRECT IN THAT WE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS? YES, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DURING THE MOTION PART OF IT LIKE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.

I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE CANDIDATE DOES THEIR THREE MINUTE SPIEL.

IF WE HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, WE CAN ASK THOSE.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S ALL. THANKS.

MS. LUNA.

COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER, IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT BULLET NUMBER SIX, I THINK IF WE JUST LEFT THE LANGUAGE, SHEILA, IN THERE, THE SECOND SENTENCE EACH CANDIDATE MAY BE ASKED QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

WOULD THAT SATISFY YOUR CONCERN? AND YOU HAVE THAT RED LINED OUT.

IF YOU COULD JUST UN-RED LINE IT AND LEAVE THAT UNDER THAT BULLET SIX AND I'M INCLUDING THAT RED BULLET WHEN I'M COUNTING THE NUMBER OF BULLETS DOWN THERE. SO DO YOU SEE MY POINT OF REFERENCE? OKAY, MR. ACOSTA. ARE YOU OKAY WITH? OH, COMMENTS? YEAH.

WE'RE STILL DISCUSSION, BUT COMMENTS IS FINE.

OH, YEAH. I ASKED MY QUESTIONS AND I THOUGHT I MADE IT CLEAR.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT THE FARADAY LOCATION WAS IS A GOOD ONE FOR SOME THINGS, BUT I AGREE WITH THIS.

WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OTHER LOCATIONS.

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LIKE IN MY WORK WORLD, I'VE DONE THAT WHERE YOU TAKE A FILLABLE PDF AND YOU AUTOMATICALLY POPULATE A SPREADSHEET.

IT'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. SO IF--WE DO HAVE DAVID GRAHAM ON THE TASK.

OKAY, YEAH, GREAT.

YEAH. SO I THINK ALL OF THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THIS AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE DISCUSSION, IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY.

NOT THAT WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ASKING QUESTIONS OF OUR APPLICANTS, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS GREAT LANGUAGE AND I WOULD JUST ASK IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE SEEING THE LANGUAGE THAT'S UP THERE AND AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ENTIRELY MATCH THE KIND OF LONGER PARAGRAPH I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA HAD, BUT I DO THINK IT CAPTURES THE SENTIMENT.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST HAPPY TO LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE COMMENTS, BUT I AGREE.

THANKS. MISS BHAT-PATEL.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

I AGREE WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.

IN TERMS OF THE MATRIX, JUST A REALLY QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION, FINE TO ELIMINATE.

I KNOW WHEN YOU ALL SEND US, HEY, THIS IS WHO'S APPLIED.

YOU DO LET US KNOW ABOUT THE DISTRICTS AND WHO CURRENTLY SERVES SO THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE PICKING FOR OUR DISTRICT, WE CAN SEE THAT VERY CLEARLY. CORRECT, AND ALSO, IF THERE'S MORE THAN TEN APPLICATIONS, WE WILL BE BATCHING THE APPLICATIONS BY DISTRICT.

SO YOU CAN QUICKLY GO TO YOUR BATCH, SO TO SPEAK.

GREAT. THANKS. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT SO FOLKS KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING SOME FORM OF A MATRIX PRIOR TO THE MATRIX AS WELL TO LET US KNOW WHO'S APPLYING SO GREAT AND AGAIN, SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGES.

THANK YOU. SO MY QUESTION TO STAFF, YOU GUYS ARE CLOSER TO THIS THAN ANY OF US HAS ANYTHING THAT WE BROUGHT UP GOING TO HAVE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

NO. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD IMPACT.

OKAY, IS IS THE MOTION AND THE SECOND, THEN THE DISCUSSION.

IS THAT SATISFACTORY? CAN WE VOTE? THE ONLY THING THAT I WASN'T SURE THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THE MOTION WAS THE REQUEST TO LEAVE.

IN THE SINGLE SENTENCE.

EACH CANDIDATE MAY BE ASKED QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

RIGHT? YOU'RE CORRECT. COUNCIL.

I NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE MOTION THAT LANGUAGE ALSO BE INCORPORATED OR REINSTATED, AND AS THE SECOND.

I AGREE. IS THAT SUFFICIENT? DOES STAFF HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED, YOU THINK? YES, WE DO, AND WE HAVE A RECORDING TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IF WE NEED TO.

THANK YOU. PLEASE VOTE.

TRY AGAIN.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD JOB AND THANK YOU TO OUR SPEAKER FOR MAKING THESE SUGGESTIONS.

SO THAT TAKES CARE OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.

MS. LUNA, ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS TWO THROUGH SEVEN, YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT? ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE AND I NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND THAT I HAVE REAL PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THERE.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE ABSTAINING FROM THREE AND FIVE? NO, I'M JUST ABSTAINING FROM FIVE.

I'D LIKE TO PULL THREE.

OKAY, ITEM NUMBER THREE.

[3. TERMS OF USE WITH THE ALLIANCE FOR SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, LLC FOR PARTICIPATION IN A PROGRAM TO EXPEDITE RESIDENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM PERMITS]

I THINK THE CONCEPT IS FABULOUS, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE, I BELIEVE, UNFUNDED STATE MANDATES.

AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S A SOLE SOURCE CONTRACTOR AND THAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE SOME REMEDIES APPLIED AGAINST US IF WE DON'T COMPLY WITH THIS, AND SO I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE COULD ASK ME, YOU KNOW, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA IS ON THAT AND LET US KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE WITH SB 379, AND IN ADDITION, I DID NOT SEE A CONTRACT AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A CONTRACT.

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THAT IS THE CONTRACT.

OKAY, WHAT ABOUT ANY ASSOCIATED COSTS IN ADMINISTERING THIS PROGRAM AS FAR AS OUR PART, THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.

ALSO, I'M GOING TO ASK STAFF TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS RATHER THAN HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE.

IF LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING AT THE END, THAT WOULD BE BEST.

THE COST TO THE CITY.

THERE IS NO CURRENT COST OTHER THAN WE HAVE TO SPEND THE STAFF HOURS TO CONFIGURE OUR INTERNAL SYSTEM TO HANDLE A NEW PROCESS FROM SOLAR APP AND STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT, AND CAN YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

FOR THE RECORD? THANK YOU.

I APOLOGIZE. I'M MARIA CALLANDER.

I'M THE IT DIRECTOR.

OKAY, AND AS FAR AS THE TERMINATION PROVISIONS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONCE AGAIN ANOTHER STATE UNFUNDED MANDATE, IN MY OPINION AND IT'S JUST FASCINATING TO ME THAT THE APP COMPANY CAN JUST SAY, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE, AND THEN WHAT ARE WE LEFT WITH? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE STATE HAS ANY PROVISIONS SINCE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LEGISLATION, LIKE WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT PERSON FALLS OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND WE'VE GOT THE SYSTEM SET UP FOR ALL OUR FOLKS TO COME IN AND THEN THEY LOOK AT US AND SAY, CARLSBAD, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS? DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ADDRESSING THAT? WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY, AND THIS REALLY ISN'T A LEGAL ANSWER, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO MISS MCMAHON, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY, MANY CITIES AND AGENCIES IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THE STATE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS, AND SO IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO SERVE AS CARLSBAD, THAT USUALLY MEANS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SERVE ALL OF THOSE OTHER AGENCIES. SO I WOULD ASSUME, AND MAYBE I'M ASSUMING WRONG, THAT THE STATE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO HOLD EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT JUST CARLSBAD. SO WE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, IN A BETTER PLACE THAN JUST IF THEY WERE TO JUST LET STOP SERVICING CARLSBAD, AND THEN FOR THE RECORD, JEFF MURPHY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR IS THROUGH THE US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SELECTED IT, AND SO THEY'RE THE ONES ALSO PROVIDING SERVICES TO OTHER STATE CITIES.

SO IT'S EVEN BEYOND CALIFORNIA.

SO IF THIS AGAIN, A VENDOR FAILS OR ACTUALLY IF WE FIND THAT THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING AT THE LEVEL THAT WE NEED THEM TO PERFORM, THEN WE'LL REEVALUATE AND SEE IF THERE'S OTHER VENDORS THAT ARE IN THE MARKET THAT CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICE OR WE'LL WORK WITH IT ON WHETHER WE DO THE SERVICE INTERNALLY AND WE CREATE UP OUR OWN SYSTEM.

SO OUR PLAN IS TO ASSESS AND EVALUATE, PARTICULARLY THIS FIRST YEAR, TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS.

WE DID REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE A LITTLE AHEAD OF US, PARTICULARLY SAN MARCOS.

OCEANSIDE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ALREADY OPERATIONAL.

I DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM THEM, BUT WITH SAN MARCOS, THEY INDICATED THAT IT IS A SYSTEM THAT'S WORKING WELL.

RIGHT NOW, ONLY ABOUT 30% OF THEIR PERMITS ARE BEING PROCESSED THROUGH THIS SYSTEM.

I'M BETTING THAT THE REASON WHY IS THE WORD'S NOT OUT YET THAT THEY CAN BE IT'S AUTOMATIC.

IT'S AN AUTOMATIC PERMIT PROCESS.

THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME, BUT BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS FROM AT LEAST THAT CITY, THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN GOOD AND THINGS ARE PROGRESSING.

SO AGAIN, WE'LL ASSESS IT.

WE'LL KEEP THE COUNCIL APPRIZED OF ANY ISSUES, GOOD OR BAD, RELATIVE TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM.

OKAY, YOU MAKE MY HEART REST A LITTLE MORE PEACEFULLY.

NOT MUCH, BUT A LITTLE MORE.

THANK YOU. MS. BURKHOLDER. MS. ACOSTA, ANYTHING TO ADD? I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOLAR PANELING ON HOUSES AND THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS FOR THE HOMEOWNERS, AND THAT, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, SAN MARCOS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

SO I REALLY KNOWING THAT THIS IS A FREE PROGRAM AND NOTHING IS EVER FREE, I'M WITH MY COLLEAGUE OVER HERE ON THAT, BUT JUST KEEPING THE EYE ON IT AND MAKING SURE IF WE'RE MEETING THE METRICS AND IT'S SUCCESSFUL MOVING FORWARD, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING INTO WELL, MANY OF US ALREADY HAVE SOLAR, BUT THIS IS AN EASIER, MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT, WHICH GOING BACK TO LAST WEEK'S CUTTING TIME AND STAFF HOURS AND MANPOWER, THIS IS A HELPFUL TOOL THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU.

MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP FOR EXTRA DISCUSSION AND DEFINITELY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND FIND OUT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE. I ALSO AGREE THAT THE INTENT OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE LEGISLATION THAT CREATED THIS MANDATE WAS WELL,

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THE ISSUE AROUND THERE JUST BEING ONE WEB TOOL OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY IS AN INTERESTING ONE.

AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE DID DISCUSS THIS.

THIS IDEA HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2021 AND WE DISCUSSED IT THEN WHEN IT WAS IN ITS EARLIER LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FORM, AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.

IT PASSED LAST YEAR. IT GOT STALLED MANY TIMES, AND AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS IT PASSED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR AND WAS SIGNED INTO LAW.

SO WE MUST COMPLY, AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH OUR PACKET AND ASKING ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION, IT WAS SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2023, IT MUST BE IN PLACE ACCORDING TO STATE LAW IN 2023.

SO AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE CONTINUE TO PUSH BACK AGAINST MANDATES, YOU KNOW, THINGS BEING PUSHED ON US WITHOUT OUR FEEDBACK, BUT SOMETIMES THEY GET THROUGH AND THIS ONE WAS WELL INTENDED AND WE ARE ABLE TO COMPLY FOR MINIMAL COST.

THIS IS NO COST, BUT AS YOU SAID, AS STAFF SAID, THIS IS YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME COST WITH REGARD TO REARRANGING HOW WE DO THINGS SO THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW.

IT IS LAW. THANKS.

OKAY, NEED A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS TWO THROUGH SEVEN WITH REFLECTION THAT MISS LUNA WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

SO MOVED. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT WE TAKE ITEM NUMBER NINE OUT OF ORDER, AND I'M GOING TO GRANT THAT REQUEST.

[9. MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION]

MY RECOMMENDATION IS DAVID HUBINGER TO BE THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSIONER.

I'M SORRY. OH, SPEAKERS.

WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

EVENTUALLY, I'LL GET USED TO ASKING.

PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 4 TO 1 WITH MISS LUNA SAYING NO.

[8. REQUEST FOR A CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND A CITY STAFF MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE’S SAND NOURISHMENT AND RETENTION PILOT PROJECT DESIGN COMPETITION REVIEW]

YES. THANK YOU, SIR.

ITEM EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR A CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR A CITY STAFF MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE IN A CITY OF OCEANSIDE. SAND NOURISHMENT AND RETENTION PILOT PROGRAM DESIGN, COMPETITION REVIEW, AND LEADING FOR THE DISCUSSION IS OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR KYLE LANCASTER.

SIR, THANK YOU, SIR, AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, MANAGER, ATTORNEY AND CLERK.

LET ME START WITH TODAY'S PRESENTATION OVERVIEW.

WE'LL HIT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, THEN GO INTO THE COMPETITION, REVIEW THE RECENT TIMELINE BROWN ACT, APPLICABILITY TO THIS COMPETITION REVIEW COUNCIL RESOLUTION, POTENTIAL CONFLICT, AND THEN FINALLY RECOMMENDED ACTION.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, ESSENTIALLY, OCEANSIDE STAFF DID REQUEST THAT A CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND A CITY STAFF MEMBER PARTICIPATE IN THE OCEANSIDE SAND NOURISHMENT AND RETENTION PILOT PROJECTS DESIGN COMPETITION REVIEW.

THIS OCCURRED BACK IN MARCH.

CARLSBAD CURRENTLY HAS A STANDING RESOLUTION THAT OPPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY DEVICES THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH THE NATURAL FLOW OF SAND INTO CARLSBAD.

I'VE HIGHLIGHTED JUST A FEW ITEMS FROM THE COMPETITION REVIEW.

THERE IS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE INFORMATION IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND THE EXHIBITS.

FOR AN EXPLANATION OF THE COMPETITION ITSELF.

OCEANSIDE STAFF DID ADVISE IT WOULD BE RECOMMENDING THAT PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE TWO SPECIFIC ELEMENTS. ONE, DETERMINING AN IMPROVED SAND SOURCE FOR NOURISHMENT LIKELY FOUND OFFSHORE WITHIN TIDELANDS, TRUSTED TO THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE BY THE STATE LANDS COMMISSION, AND THEN SECONDLY, IT ALSO WOULD BE RECOMMENDING A DESIGNING OF A PILOT RETENTION STRUCTURE THAT WILL MIMIC SAND RETENTION AND INVITING INNOVATION INTO THE DESIGN BY WAY OF A COMPETITION.

SO THERE'S TO BE STRICT DESIGN CRITERIA AND OBJECTIVES THAT ARE SET BY THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE STAFF THAT WILL ALLOW FIRMS TO STILL

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THE CONCEPTS ARE TO BE REVIEWED THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC AND REGIONAL OUTREACH PROCESS, AS WELL AS A JURY AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE COMES INTO PLAY AND THE JURY ITSELF.

THE JURY, FIRST OF ALL, IS TO BE A 6 TO 7 MEMBER PANEL AND HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.

COASTAL MANAGEMENT EXPERT PERMITTING VIABILITY EXPERT.

NEARSHORE MARINE RESOURCES EXPERT, STAFF RESOURCE PRESERVATIONIST.

CITY COASTAL CITY REPRESENTATIVE AND A COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE, AND AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS DETAILED FURTHER IN YOUR EXHIBIT TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS THE APPLICATION FROM THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE FOR A JUROR OR A PANELIST.

THE JURORS IN PARTICULAR ARE EXPECTED TO BE FREE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE UNBIASED REVIEW OF MATERIALS PRODUCED DURING THAT DESIGN COMPETITION, AND THE JURORS ARE ANTICIPATED TO REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF TEN HOURS OF TIME TO CONDUCT THESE REVIEWS, ATTEND MEETINGS AND THE LIKE.

AS FOR THE ADVISORY PANEL, THE TIME COMMITMENT WOULD BE SIMILAR, BUT THE ADVISORY PANEL WOULD NOT BE VOTING.

IT WOULD BE A 3 TO 5 MEMBER PANEL AND CONSIST OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES A FEDERAL AGENCY, STATE AGENCY, GRANT FUNDERS, AND A NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION.

GIVE YOU A BRIEF RECAP ON THE TIMELINE.

JANUARY IS WHEN OCEANSIDE FIRST MENTIONED THEY WERE GOING TO PROCEED WITH RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT AND AHEAD OF TIME THEY DID COME AND MEET WITH CITY STAFF.

AT THAT POINT, THEY CERTAINLY INDICATED THEY WANTED CARLSBAD'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAM.

WE LIKEWISE INDICATED WE WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY, BUT WERE NONCOMMITTAL TO THIS JURY OR ADVISORY PANEL, AND WE ALSO REITERATED THE CITY COUNCIL'S STANDING OPPOSITION VIA RESOLUTION.

SO AT THE END OF JANUARY, IN THE 25TH, THE OCEANSIDE CITY COUNCIL DID IN FACT MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT ON THAT PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT.

FAST FORWARD, OCEANSIDE STAFF ALSO GOT IN TOUCH WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF TO ASK FOR PARTICIPATION IN THIS JURY AND ADVISORY PANEL.

LATER IN THE MONTH.

ON THE 24TH OF MARCH, CARLSBAD STAFF ADVISED THAT STAFF WOULD NOT BE PARTICIPATING EITHER AS A JUROR OR A PANELIST.

WE DID NOT PROVIDE AN ANSWER IN TERMS OF COUNCIL MEMBER PARTICIPATION.

THEN ON MARCH 27TH, THE OCEANSIDE STAFF MEMBER AGAIN RENEWED THAT REQUEST TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING IT FOR YOU TONIGHT FOR OPEN DISCUSSION AND REVIEW OF THE TOPIC.

COUPLE OF FACTORS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE BROWN ACT TO APPLY TO THIS BODY.

OCEANSIDE STAFF HAS INDICATED THEY DO NOT INTEND FOR THE PROJECT DESIGN, COMPETITION, JURY OR PANEL TO BE SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT.

HOWEVER, OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS INDICATED THAT BY COUNCIL TAKING ACTION TO APPOINT PERSONS TO THE JURY OR THE PANEL, WE COULD INADVERTENTLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE CREATION OF A LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT WOULD IN FACT BE SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT.

SECOND FACTOR FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WOULD BE THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION THAT I REFERENCED.

THAT IS 2022-011.

AT THIS POINT, JURORS ARE BEING ASKED TO REVIEW AND SCORE OPTIONS FOR THE SAND, NOURISHMENT AND RETENTION AGAINST THE CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE OR WILL BE ESTABLISHED, AND JURORS ARE EXPECTED TO BE FREE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND BE UNBIASED IN THEIR REVIEW, BUT AGAIN, WITH THAT STANDING RESOLUTION, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE STAFF MEMBER COULD BE FACED WITH VOTING ON CONCEPTS THAT ARE, IN FACT, IN CONFLICT WITH THAT SAME RESOLUTION.

SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE RECOMMENDED ACTION.

WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH FOUR OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

ONE WOULD BE TO DECLINE OCEANSIDE'S REQUEST FOR EITHER A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR A STAFF MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE.

SECOND WOULD BE TO FIRST DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN WITH AN ITEM TO RESCIND OR AMEND THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION I REFERENCED AND APPOINT A CITY COUNCIL

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THIRD OPTION IS TO DIRECT STAFF AGAIN TO RETURN WITH AN AGENDA ITEM TO FIRST RESCIND THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION NUMBER 2022 -011, AND THEN IT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER THE DISCRETION TO APPOINT A CITY STAFF MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE AS A JUROR OR ADVISORY PANELIST, AND FINALLY, AS ALWAYS, COUNCIL HAS THE PREROGATIVE TO PROVIDE OTHER DIRECTION TO STAFF AS APPROPRIATE.

WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? YES. KATHLEEN [INAUDIBLE].

SEE HOW THIS. ALL RIGHT, HELLO, COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, KYLE.

MY NAME IS KATHLEEN [INAUDIBLE], AND I AM ON THE BEACH PRESERVATION COMMISSION, BUT I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF TONIGHT, NOT FOR THE COMMISSION.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THE OCEANSIDE PROJECT AND CARLSBAD'S PARTICIPATION.

FIRST OF ALL, WHEN THEY FIRST BROUGHT THIS PROJECT FORWARD, WHEN OCEANSIDE WAS FIRST CONSIDERING IT, THEY CONSIDERED IT A GROYNE PROJECT.

SO FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINE WHAT GROYNES ARE.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR, MAYBE THEY ARE, BUT GROYNES ARE HARD SHORELINE PROTECTION DEVICES PERPENDICULAR TO THE BEACH.

THEY ARE DESIGNED TO INTERRUPT AND TRAP LONGSHORE FLOW OF SAND.

SAND BUILDS UP ON ONE SIDE OF THE GROYNE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OTHER SIDE.

GROYNES SIMPLY STEAL SAND FROM ONE PART OF THE BEACH SO THAT IT WILL BUILD UP ON ANOTHER PART.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE BEACH EROSION DOWNDRIFT OF THE LAST GROYNE.

SO, OCEANSIDE IS SENDING OUT INVITATIONS TO TARGETED INDIVIDUALS, AND THEY'RE ALSO ASKING THAT JURY MEMBERS HAVE NO PRECONCEIVED BIAS FOR OR AGAINST.

SO I THINK IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD ISN'T GOING TO BE BIASED BECAUSE TYPICALLY GROYNES TAKE SAND OFF OUR BEACHES.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN PARTICIPATE.

I DON'T SUPPORT RESCINDING THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2022-011, BECAUSE WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE BEACH PRESERVATION COMMISSION ALSO APPROVED OF THAT WE GROYNES, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DO COME UP WITH SOME MAGICAL WAY TO KEEP THE SAND ON ON OCEANSIDE'S BEACHES WITH GROYNES AND NOT IMPACT OUR BEACHES, YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT SO FAR, I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN DONE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

SO AGAIN, IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN WITHOUT RESCINDING THE RESOLUTION, BUT IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE BE A NON-VOTING MEMBER OF THE JURY.

I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR US TO BE INVOLVED AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE AN IMPLIED CONSENT OF SOMETHING THAT WILL LIKELY HARM OUR BEACHES.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THAT'S OUR FINAL SPEAKER.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

MS. BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU TO THE SPEAKER.

I SHARE YOUR SENTIMENTS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALMOST LAYING IT UP FOR ME THERE.

ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SINCE THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT WITH THE RESOLUTION, HOW COULD WE ENSURE THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATION IF WE NEED TO, BUT STICK WITH OUR RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE? IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN STAFF'S INTENT TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY SORT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE OFFERS ON THIS PROJECT, JUST NOT BE INVOLVED NECESSARILY IN THE JURY OR ADVISORY PANEL.

SO THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO AN EXTENSIVE OUTREACH PROGRAM BEYOND THIS JURY AND PANEL.

WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK OUT FOR THOSE NOTIFICATIONS AND TAKE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE.

OKAY, AND THERE IS I KNOW YOU HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON HERE.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE DON'T NECESSARILY RESCIND THE RESOLUTION, BUT WE COULD ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE DISCRETION TO BE ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEONE IF WE FELT THAT OR IF HE FELT BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DIRECT HIM, BUT HE WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO THEN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S PARTICIPATION THAT WOULD STILL REQUIRE RESCINDING THE RESOLUTION.

SO HERE IT SAYS RESCIND OR AMEND.

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RESCINDING WOULD BE PULLING IT ALTOGETHER, BUT AMENDING COULD ALSO BE DONE IN ORDER TO ALLOW PARTICIPATION IN THAT JURY IN PARTICULAR.

I WILL SAY THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS ALREADY INSTRUCTED STAFF NOT TO PARTICIPATE AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AND THAT HAS BEEN RELAYED TO THE OCEANSIDE STAFF.

SO HE HAS TAKEN THAT DISCRETION AND ACTED UPON IT ALREADY.

OKAY, SO TO CLARIFY, IF WE DID, IT COULD STILL BE AN AMENDMENT.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO RESCIND, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CONFIRM.

THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE AWAY THE CONFLICT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHOEVER PARTICIPATES WOULD HAVE TO BE UNBIASED.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION IN A WAY WHERE THAT CONFLICT, WHERE WHOEVER PARTICIPATES.

NOT ONLY WOULD IT HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER COMPLETE DISCRETION TO WHETHER OR NOT TO PARTICIPATE, BUT IF SOMEONE WERE TO PARTICIPATE, THEY'D HAVE TO BE FREE TO CHOOSE SOMETHING LIKE A GROYNE IF THAT WAS THE OPTION AVAILABLE.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE COMMENTS.

MS. ACOSTA. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT THIS JURY APPEARS TO BE SET UP IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THEY HAVE THESE 6 OR 7 MEMBERS AND THEY HAVE ONLY ONE FOR COASTAL CITY REPRESENTATIVE, AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION, WE TALKED ABOUT COLLABORATION AND THE FACT THAT WE HAD NOT BEEN REACHED OUT TO THE OCEANSIDE CITY COUNCIL, PASSED THEIR INITIAL, MADE AN INITIAL VOTE THAT LED THEM DOWN THIS PATH OF POTENTIALLY CONSIDERING GROYNES AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION MADE AT THE OCEANSIDE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS, AND WE PUSHED BACK.

WE NOT ONLY DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF GROYNES, WHICH WE ARTICULATED IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT WE ALSO TALKED A BIT ABOUT COLLABORATION IN THE RESOLUTION , BUT OTHER CITIES DID TOO, LIKE DEL MAR, FOR EXAMPLE, AND SOUTHERN CITIES, BECAUSE OUR TIDES FLOW DOWN THE COAST AND SAND IS NOT JUST A ONE CITY ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE COASTAL CITIES.

SO THERE'S ONLY ONE SPOT HERE FOR A COASTAL CITY.

REPRESENTATIVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY CLARITY ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE THINKING? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COASTAL CITY DOWNSTREAM FROM OCEANSIDE.

I HAVE SOME DEGREE OF CLARITY.

I KNOW THAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO AT LEAST ONE OTHER CITY REPRESENTATIVE IN DEL MAR, ACTUALLY, AND DEL MAR DID TAKE ACTION TO APPOINT A MEMBER TO THE JURY.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO MULTIPLE OTHER COASTAL CITIES, BUT DEL MAR ALSO AT THE TIME THAT PHASE TWO WAS TAKEN BEFORE THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE COUNCIL SENT A LETTER, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD ADOPTED A VERY LIKE RESOLUTION TO OURS, THEY SENT A LETTER INDICATING THAT THEY SUPPORTED MOVING FORWARD WITH PHASE TWO, WHICH AGAIN IS CONTRARY TO OUR CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION.

SO AGAIN, DEL MAR HAS ACTED TO APPOINT A MEMBER TO THE JURY.

I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY OTHER COASTAL CITY THAT'S BEEN APPROACHED AT THIS POINT.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, AND EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESOLUTION.

I TRIED TO SUMMARIZE THE RESOLUTION.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD ENHANCE OR SPEAK MORE TO THE RESOLUTION MORE THAN I DID.

WHAT DID WE PASS? WHAT WAS IN THAT? WHAT WERE THOSE MAIN POINTS? MAYBE OCEANSIDE FORGOT ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THAT RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT HASN'T GONE AWAY.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR THEIR COMMENTS, BUT WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE REPRESENT CARLSBAD.

THAT IS OUR BIAS.

OUR BIAS IS THAT WE'RE HERE AND WE'VE GOT A DUTY TO PROTECT OUR CITY AND THIS BODY AND THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT BIAS FOR CARLSBAD, JUST AS OCEANSIDE DOES FOR IT, FOR ITSELF.

SO WE WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE REGION, AND WE ALSO WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR PEOPLE.

I'M JUST INTERESTED IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE RESOLUTION, MAYBE EVEN IF YOU HAVE ANY BIT OF IT THAT YOU COULD SHARE ON THE SCREEN. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS PREPARED TO DO THAT.

SORRY I DIDN'T PREP YOU FOR THAT.

I DO NOT HAVE IT PREPARED AS A SLIDE.

I WILL SAY IN SUMMARY-- I'LL GO AHEAD AND SPECIFICALLY READ.

SO ONCE WE GET TO NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AS FOLLOWS THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL OPPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF DEVICES THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH THE NATURAL FLOW OF BEACH SAND INTO CARLSBAD.

THAT STAFF WILL SEND A COPY OF THE RESOLUTION TO THE OCEANSIDE CITY MANAGER, THE SANDAG SHORELINE PRESERVATION WORKING GROUP AND THE COASTAL COMMISSION, AND AGAIN, THAT WAS PASSED FIVE ZERO.

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OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE SINCE THEN AND THEY'VE GOT SOME NEW COUNCIL PEOPLE THERE AS WELL.

SO MAYBE IT'S TIME TO SEND ANOTHER LETTER TO THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE.

THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS.

STAFF TO STAFF, WE HAVE CERTAINLY MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION FOR CARLSBAD STANDS.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO SEND A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL IF YOU SO DESIRE, BUT STAFF CERTAINLY IS AWARE OF OUR CONTINUED OPPOSITION.

MS. BURKHOLDER.

I ONLY HAVE COMMENTS. ARE WE READY FOR COMMENTS? NOT YET. OKAY, MS. LUNA. QUESTION.

OKAY, MY QUESTION IS.

WHAT IF WE DON'T PARTICIPATE? CAN OCEANSIDE STILL PUT IN GROYNES [MUMBLING] IF WE'RE NOT PARTICIPATING, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO INTERFERE WITH THEIR ABILITY TO PUT IN GROYNES? SORRY WHILE I STUMBLE THROUGH THAT QUESTION.

NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL.

OCEANSIDE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE COASTAL COMMISSION APPROVAL, AND THAT WOULD BE A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS.

WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT OPPOSITION TO SUCH A PROJECT IF IT MOVED FORWARD THROUGH THE COASTAL COMMISSION.

WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THE RESOLUTION TO YOU, IT WAS IN FACT BASED ON THE INITIAL GROYNE TYPE OF DESIGN THAT THEY HAD PROPOSED, AND SINCE THEN THEY HAVE COME UP WITH THIS DESIGN COMPETITION IDEA THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER DEVICE OTHER THAN GROYNES.

THE COASTAL COMMISSION HAS VOICED DIRECT OPPOSITION ITSELF TO GROYNES IN PARTICULAR.

THEY REALLY WANT TO HAVE AGAIN, A NATURAL FLOWING SYSTEM, AND SO THAT IS WHAT REALLY PROMPTED US TO BRING THAT STAFF REPORT AND RESOLUTION TO THE COUNCIL, BUT WE MADE IT GENERIC ENOUGH SO THAT IT DIDN'T APPLY JUST TO THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE PROJECT.

IT'S RATHER TO ANY DEVICE THAT COULD OBSTRUCT THE NATURAL FLOW OF SAND SOUTHWARD TO CARLSBAD.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING OCEANSIDE'S IDEAS.

DO WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER PRESENT AT LEAST LISTENING? THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE IF THEY DO COME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR STAFF SAYS, OH, WE CAN GET BEHIND THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE SOMEBODY THERE TO HEAR IT.

DO WE GET AT LEAST THAT LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION? NO, WE HAVE DECLINED BOTH THE JURY OR THE ADVISORY PANEL PARTICIPATION AT THIS POINT.

AGAIN, THERE WILL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE STAFF REPRESENTATION ON A JURY OR A PANEL.

THEY HAVE NOT YET SEATED EITHER OF THOSE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE INTENDING TO HAVE A KICKOFF AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK TO ASSEMBLE THOSE TWO BODIES.

SO THERE IS STILL TIME, AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU AT THIS MEETING, BUT AT THIS POINT, THE CITY MANAGER HAS DECLINED EITHER THE JURY OR THE PANEL FOR STAFF PARTICIPATION.

YOU SAID JURY AND PANEL, BUT WHAT ABOUT JUST A SPECTATOR? ARE WE ALLOWED TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THERE TO BE A SPECTATOR, TO HEAR WHAT THE IDEAS ARE? WELL, AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, THEY ARE NOT INTENDING TO HAVE THIS BODY FOLLOW THE BROWN ACT.

SO IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE COULD SIT IN ON IF THEY RESOLVE THAT CONFLICT AS WE SEE IT AND THEY DO MAKE IT A BODY THAT'S FOLLOWING BROWN ACT PROCEDURES, THEN CERTAINLY WE COULD SIT IN AS A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE AND VIEW ANY SORT OF OCCURRENCE OF THE COMMITTEE, YES.

EVEN IF IT'S NOT DETERMINED TO BE A BROWN ACT MEETING.

CAN WE ASK TO BE INVITED AS A SPECTATOR, EVEN IF IT CAN BE A CLOSED MEETING JUST SO OUR STAFF IS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON? CAN WE DO THAT? AND CAN WE DO THAT WITHOUT CHANGING OUR RESOLUTION? YES AND YES.

OKAY, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, AS STAFF? WE CAN CERTAINLY, YES, ASK THE QUESTION.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE AGAIN SOMEONE AWARE OF WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKING ROLE AT THOSE MEETINGS. OKAY, CLOSING STATEMENTS.

OH, MORE QUESTIONS. YES. JUST TO FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I HAD QUESTIONS AROUND THE BROWN ACT DEFINITIONS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE DEFINING IT A BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE WERE, AND I GUESS JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, BASED ON WHAT THE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED, IF WE WERE TO BE SPECTATING, WE WOULD STILL BE PROTECTED IF THEY DID DECIDE TO HAVE SO MANY PARTICIPANTS, AND WE YEAH, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

SO I UNDERSTOOD THE MAYOR'S QUESTION TO BE, CAN WE ASK TO BE PARTICIPANTS AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK [INAUDIBLE] PARTICIPANTS OR SPECTATORS, SORRY.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK.

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IT'S NOT BEING RUN BY CITY STAFF, IT'S BEING RUN BY A CONSULTANT.

SO WHETHER THEY WOULD SAY YES TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF WE'RE PURELY SPECTATORS IN A MEETING.

IT SHOULDN'T CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THEM, BUT THEY DID NOT SET THIS UP TO BE A BROWN ACT BODY.

GREAT. OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CLOSING STATEMENTS, MISS LUNA.

I STAND BY THE RESOLUTION THAT WE HAD.

HOWEVER, I'M INTRIGUED BY YOUR BY MAYBE SENDING A LETTER STATING WHAT YOU'VE JUST STATED.

HAVE A SPECTATOR. YES.

SO I THINK AND LET'S SEE WHAT THEIR RESPONSE IS.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS SUCH A WASTE OF ENERGY AND TIME TO HAVE TO GO TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION WHEN THIS IS BEING HEARD, AND THEN WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE AND THEN SUBMIT OUR COMMENTS, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD SOMEHOW BE A SPECTATOR AT THE GROUND LEVEL.

SO I REALLY LOVE YOUR SUGGESTION.

MISS BURKHOLDER. SO YEAH, I AGREE WITH MISS KATHLEEN, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO SAY YOUR LAST NAME, AND ALSO IN THE RESOLUTION, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE STATEMENT ABOUT GROYNES BY DESIGN, THEY'RE STRUCTURES THAT ARE MEANT TO CAPTURE AND SAND TRANSPORTED BY THE LONGSHORE CURRENT, RIGHT? SO THIS IS COMPLETELY DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE NEED HERE IN CARLSBAD.

I THINK WITH A NAME LIKE JURY SOLICITATION, IT MAKES ME WANT TO RUN AWAY AS FAST AS I CAN.

LIKE IF THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SELL SOMETHING, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD COME UP WITH A SEXY NAME TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY INTO THIS, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

I, IN FACT, DO STAND BY THE RESOLUTION, AND THINK THAT I WILL BE CHOOSING OPTION ONE.

NO PARTICIPATION. THANK YOU.

MR. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

I THINK OUR RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED IN 2022 IS A GREAT ONE, AND I THINK IT ARTICULATED OUR POSITION AS A NEIGHBOR THAT HAS A STAKE IN WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR SHORELINE AND ALSO WANTS TO COLLABORATE.

I THINK IT WAS GREAT THAT WE EXPRESSED BOTH OF THOSE SENTIMENTS THAT WE UNDERSTAND OUR SHORELINE IS A LIVING SHORELINE AND WE WANT TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO RETAIN AND PRESERVE SAND, AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO COLLABORATE.

I THINK THAT THIS TYPE OF COLLABORATION, THIS JURY SOLICITATION AS COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER ARTICULATED, IS A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF COLLABORATION, NOT WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.

WE JUST WANTED TO BE KEPT APPRIZED OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND HAVE A SAY, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT THROUGH THEIR CONSULTANT RUN JURY THAT THEY HAVE CREATED.

SO I DON'T SEE A NEED TO PARTICIPATE AT ALL.

[MUMBLING] THE MAXIMUM THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH WOULD BE JUST TO SEND AN OBSERVER TO REPORT BACK TO US AND THEN WE CAN COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER.

WE CAN TALK TO THEM. WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT THROUGH THIS CONSULTANT-RUN JURY.

THANK YOU. MS. BHAT-PATEL. YES.

THANK YOU, AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I KNOW I RECEIVED THIS EMAIL AND I APPRECIATE HOW EXPEDITIOUSLY THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION TOGETHER, AND SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION, I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S POINT AROUND BEING ABLE TO SEND SOMEONE THAT COULD BE A SPECTATOR.

I DO STAND BY OUR RESOLUTION.

I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS AT LEAST LISTENING TO WHAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT AT THE TABLE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE CAN'T TALK, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE I KNOW GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WHERE WE WEREN'T COGNIZANT OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE THERE SO THAT AT LEAST OUR STAFF CAN KEEP US APPRIZED OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY.

THEN IF WE FEEL WE NEED TO ACT, THEN WE CAN ACT ACCORDINGLY, AT LEAST WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, MAYOR, OF HAVING A SPECTATOR PRESENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO STAND BY OUR RESOLUTION THOSE WOULD BE . I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

OKAY, WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DECLINED THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE'S REQUEST FOR CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR CITY STAFF MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PILOT PROJECTS DESIGN COMPETITION REVIEW, BUT WITH THE ADDITION THAT WE ASK CITY OF OCEANSIDE IF WE CAN SEND A STAFF MEMBER SIMPLY AS A SPECTATOR, THAT'S MY MOTION.

SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR COUNCIL MEETING.

WE'LL START WITH YOU, MISS BHAT-PATEL CLOSING STATEMENTS.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS]

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IT'S OKAY, I DON'T MIND.

I'M JUST JOKING.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAD OUR LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING YESTERDAY.

IT WAS A PLEASURE TO HAVE OUR CAL CITIES PRESIDENT THAT ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED.

HE CAME DOWN FROM ARTESIA AND HAD THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO BE INVOLVED.

I DO KNOW THAT I'LL BE MISSING IT, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT I KNOW MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES WILL BE GOING UP TO SACRAMENTO TOMORROW FOR ADVOCACY DAY, AND SO THAT'LL BE I KNOW IT'S A FUN ONE.

I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. IT'S REALLY EXCITING.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S A FUN EXPERIENCE FOR THE TWO OF YOU.

I KNOW IT'S COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA HAS BEEN BEFORE, BUT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER IT'LL BE THE FIRST, SO I HOPE YOU ENJOY IT, AND THEN JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND I HAD THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE EXTRAVAGANZA AT POINSETTIA PARK WITH MY SON.

IT'S ALWAYS A FUN ACTIVITY AND SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT AND I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE HAD RECORD SETTING NUMBERS FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD.

SO REALLY COOL, AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEETINGS THIS WEEK, BUT I KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME NEXT WEEK.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE.

THANK YOU. MR. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

JUST BRIEFLY TO GO THROUGH THE LIST OF ASSIGNMENTS AND KIND OF UPDATE YOU ALL ON WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

ON SATURDAY, WE HAD THE GREEN BUSINESS EXPO IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD PARTICIPATED.

WE HAD A BOOTH THERE.

THERE WERE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON DISPLAY, LOTS OF BOOTHS AND EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS GREEN BUSINESS CERTIFICATION THAT THEY WERE PROMOTING.

THIS MORNING, THE CITY COUNCIL LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE MET RIGHT HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, YOU CAN FIND THE DATES FOR THAT ON OUR COUNCIL WEBSITE UNDER CITY COUNCIL AND JUST GO TO COMMITTEES AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT DATES WE MEET, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME AND SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT IN A SIMILAR WAY TO THE WAY THAT WE DO HERE, AND THE TWO MEMBERS OF THAT LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE ARE COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER AND MYSELF, AND WE MEET USUALLY ONCE A MONTH, BUT TOMORROW, ON BEHALF OF THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE, WE'LL BE GOING TO THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES LEGISLATIVE DAYS.

THEY CALL IT THE CITY LEADERS SUMMIT, AND WE WILL NOT BE MEETING IN LEGISLATIVE MEETINGS TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A BROWN ACT VIOLATION, BUT WE ARE BOTH GOING TO THE CONFERENCE AND HAVING SEPARATE MEETINGS WITH OUR LEGISLATORS AND THEN GOING FURTHER DOWN THE LIST.

WE DIDN'T MENTION THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE THAT THERE WAS.

I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL IS THE PRIMARY THERE.

I'M THE ALTERNATE, BUT THE CEO OF THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE IS GOING TO BE TRANSITIONING OUT OF HER POSITION.

SHE IS THE CEO WHO STARTED THE ORGANIZATION WITH US.

SO IT'S A BIG LOSS.

SHE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.

I KNOW WE HAD TALKED SO MANY YEARS ABOUT HAVING THIS TARGET OF SAVING CUSTOMERS 2% WHILE ALSO PROVIDING MUCH MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY CHOICES, MINIMUM OF 50% RENEWABLE ENERGY CHOICES, AND SHE HAS REALLY HELPED MAKE THAT HAPPEN WITH A VERY LEAN AND MEAN STAFF.

SO IT'S BEEN REALLY WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH HER, AND NOT ONLY DID WE ACHIEVE 2% SAVINGS, BUT WE'RE AT 8% SAVINGS OVER SDG&E.

SO THAT WAS VERY EXCITING AND SHE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.

SO THAT WILL BE HARD TO SEE HER GO, AND THEN MOVING ALONG THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, SAN DIEGO COUNTY DIVISION, I WAS THERE AS WELL AT THE MEETING YESTERDAY.

IT WAS WONDERFUL.

TODAY I WAS AT THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY BUDGET MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE IN BUDGET SEASON ALREADY.

I KNOW THEY'RE HERE AS WELL, BUT EVERYBODY'S REALLY TIGHTENING THEIR BELTS, AND IT'S THE SAME FOR THE WATER AUTHORITY, AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DIG IN DEEP AND FIND OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN NOT RAISE RATES AS MUCH AS IS BEING PROPOSED.

SO WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE IN AN INFLATIONARY TIME.

WE'RE IN A REALLY HARD TIME AND EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT RAISING RATES.

SO I'M THERE DOING MY BEST TO DIG IN DEEP TO THOSE THOSE ISSUES AND TRY TO PROTECT OUR CONSUMERS, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.

SO THOSE ARE MY ASSIGNMENTS.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT WEEK.

MISS BURKHOLDER. SO LUCKY ME, SANDAG IS ON FRIDAY AND I'LL BE GOING DOWN THERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HASSAN IKHRATA. IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THE AUDIT THAT SANDAG RELEASED, IT DOES HAVE EVERY INDICATION THAT HIS THREE PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES HAVE NOT BEEN MET, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, BUT ALSO WASTE AND SPENDING IS A LOT THERE.

SO I WILL BE HAPPY TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS FAR AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S CONTRACT IS CONCERNED.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

IF YOU WANT TO JOIN, IT'S VERY EASY.

SANDAG.COM GOV AND THEIR WEBSITE IS SUPER EASY.

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SO FRIDAY MORNING.

THANKS. MISS LUNA.

WELL, THE MAYOR AND I ARE ON THE ENCINA WASTEWATER AUTHORITY COMMITTEES AND SUBCOMMITTEES AND DOING BUDGETS, AND I DO HAVE TO DO A SHOUT OUT TO PAZ.

YOUR STAFF MEMBER, VICKY, HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARY IN HOLDING [INAUDIBLE] FEET TO THE FIRE ON MAKING SURE THAT OUR EXPENDITURES THERE'S A MANAGEMENT GROUP AND SHE HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB ON TRYING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE, WHICH IN TURN THEN HELPS OUR RATEPAYERS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE PARTICIPATING IN THE FOLLOWING EVENTS THURSDAY, APRIL 13TH, 2023.

BETWEEN 5 P.M, AND 8 P.M.

GRAZE AT THE FIELDS EVENT.

CARLSBAD FLOWER FIELDS 5704 PASEO DEL NORTE IN CARLSBAD.

CITY MANAGER.

NOTHING TO REPORT. CITY ATTORNEY.

NOTHING TO REPORT. THANK YOU.

CLERK. NOTHING.

THANK YOU. WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.