[00:00:03] >> IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK. I'M CALLING TONIGHT'S MEETING TO ORDER, PLEASE TAKE ROLL CALL. [CALL TO ORDER] >> COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. >> HERE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PRIYA BHAT-PATEL. >> HERE. >> MAYOR BLACKBURN. >> PRESENT. ALL FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. ANNOUNCEMENT FOR COUNCIL MEETING. DO WE NEED ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR TAKING THIS OUT OF CLOSED SESSION? >> THERE IS NO REPORTABLE ACTION. >> THANK YOU. NEXT WILL BE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA, PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. >> READY? BEGIN. >> NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] THIS WILL BE THE REGULAR MEETING HELD MARCH 21ST OF 23, REGULAR MEETING HELD APRIL 4TH OF 23, THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD APRIL 11TH OF 23, THE REGULAR MEETING HELD APRIL 11TH OF 23, AND THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD APRIL 11TH OF 23. MOTION, PLEASE. >> MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS RECITED BY THE MAYOR. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT, OUR PRESENTATIONS. [PRESENTATIONS] FIRST, I INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA TO PRESENT THE WATER SAFETY MONTH OF PROCLAMATION. >> WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND COMMEMORATE WATER SAFETY MONTH, WHEREAS MAY IS NATIONAL AQUATICS MONTH WITH A FOCUS ON WATER SAFETY, AND WHEREAS SWIMMING AND AQUATIC-RELATED ACTIVITIES PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN HELPING PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN GOOD PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL PEOPLE AND WHEREAS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, DROWNING PREVENTION EDUCATION REQUIRES YEAR-ROUND PUBLIC INFORMATION WITH AN EMPHASIS PLACED ON THE SUMMER MONTHS AND WHEREAS ADULT SUPERVISION AT ALL AQUATIC VENUES IS A CRITICAL SAFETY FACTOR IN PREVENTING CHILDREN FROM DROWNING AND WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL OF CARLSBAD RECOGNIZES THE VITAL ROLE THAT WATER SAFETY EDUCATION PLAYS IN PREVENTING WATER-RELATED INJURIES AND IS DEDICATED TO INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS ABOUT POOL, OCEAN, AND WATER SAFETY. NOW, THEREFORE, I COUNCIL MEMBER CAROLYN LUNA, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 2023 AS WATER SAFETY MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. >> WE INVITE DREW AND ASHLEY TO PLEASE SAY A FEW WORDS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR. MAYOR, AND MR.CITY MANAGER. MY NAME'S DREW FRANCIS. I'M THE PARAMEDIC LIFE CARE LIEUTENANT YEAR FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AROUND OCEAN WATER LIFEGUARDS DOWN AT THE BEACH ON OUR BEAUTIFUL STRETCH OF BEACH BETWEEN PINE AND THE OCEANSIDE BORDER. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND HELPING US DO OUR MISSION AND PROVIDING SAFETY AND PROTECTION FOR ALL THOSE WHO VISIT THE CITY AND WHO RECREATE HERE YEAR-ROUND. WE BELIEVE WE PROVIDE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SAFETY SERVICES AND PROTECTION AND TAKING CARE OF THE COMMUNITY BUT AS THE LIFEGUARDS AT THE BEACH, WE'RE THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE UNAWARE OF THE CONDITIONS AT THE BEACH. IT REALLY STARTS WITH EARLY EDUCATION, OUTREACH, AND PUBLIC EDUCATION PROVIDING THAT TO THE YOUTH THROUGH PROGRAMMING AND THAT'S WHERE ASHLEY BENSON, WE CAN SPEAK MORE TO ALL THE GREAT PROGRAMMING THAT CARLSBAD HAS TO OFFER. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ASHLEY BENSON. I AM THE RECREATION AREA MANAGER OVERSEEING THE AQUATIC CENTERS FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. I'M SO EXCITED AND HONORED TO BE HERE WITH TWO OF MY SENIOR LIFEGUARD INSTRUCTORS FROM THE POOL TROY BEVERAGE AND CURTIS DODD TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION FOR WATER SAFETY MONTH. DROWNING IS ONE OF THE LEADING CAUSES OF UNINTENTIONAL INJURY-RELATED DEATHS AND IS A TRAGEDY THAT CAN BE PREVENTED THROUGH EDUCATION AND AWARENESS. AS A COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ARE INFORMED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH WATER ACTIVITIES AND ARE EQUIPPED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS NEEDED TO STAY SAFE. MAJOR FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO DROWNING EMERGENCIES INCLUDE THE INABILITY TO SWIM AND LACK OF QUALIFIED SUPERVISION. AQUATIC STAFF TAKES PRIDE IN THE SERVICES WE ARE ABLE TO OFFER OUR COMMUNITY YEAR-ROUND THAT PROMOTE DROWNING PREVENTION AND WATER SAFETY. OUR TEAM OFFERS UPWARDS OF 650 LEARN-TO-SWIM CLASSES OF VARIOUS LEVELS AND TEACHES ABOUT 2,700 PARTICIPANTS IN A YEAR. WE TRAIN AND CERTIFY ABOUT 60 NEW LIFEGUARDS AND SWIM INSTRUCTORS A YEAR WHO EDUCATE AND SUPERVISE SWIMMERS AND PULL PATRONS. IN HONOR OF WATER SAFETY MONTH STAFF IS DISTRIBUTING INTERACTIVE MATERIALS TO SWIM [00:05:01] LESSON PARTICIPANTS TO FURTHER INFORM YOUTH ON HOW TO BE SAFE AROUND THE WATER. WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED PARENTS WITH THE LINK TO FREE ONLINE WATER SAFETY COURSE FOR PARENTS AND CAREGIVERS THROUGH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS. THROUGH EDUCATION AWARENESS AND COLLABORATION WITH OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN CREATE A SAFER AND MORE SECURE AQUATIC EXPERIENCE FOR ALL. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BRING AWARENESS TO WATER SAFETY AND BEING AFFORDED THE RESOURCES TO KEEP OUR COASTAL COMMUNITY SAFE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU, WILL YOU ALL STAND BY WHEN WE'RE FINISHED WITH ALL THE PROCLAMATIONS, WE'LL DO SOME GROUP PICTURES. NEXT, I INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER TO PRESENT THE BUILDING SAFETY MONTH PROCLAMATION. >> YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO INVITE TIM KIRSCH, SENIOR BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT UP TO THE PODIUM TO SAY A FEW WORDS AFTER I READ THE PROCLAMATION, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. WHEREAS THE CITY OF CARLSBAD RECOGNIZES OUR GROWTH AND STRENGTH DEPENDS ON THE SAFETY AND ECONOMIC VALUE OF THE HOMES, BUILDINGS, AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SERVE OUR RESIDENTS BOTH IN EVERYDAY LIFE AND IN TIMES OF DISASTER AND WHEREAS OUR CONFIDENCE IN THE RESILIENCE OF THESE BUILDINGS IS ACHIEVED THROUGH THE DEVOTION OF VIGILANT GUARDIANS, SUCH AS BUILDING SAFETY AND FIRE PREVENTION OFFICIALS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, BUILDERS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, PLUMBERS, AND OTHERS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY WORKING TO ENSURE THE SAFE CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDINGS ON A DAILY BASIS AND WHEREAS BUILDING SAFETY MONTH IS SPONSORED BY THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL TO REMIND THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CRITICAL ROLE OF OUR COMMUNITIES, LARGELY UNKNOWN PROTECTORS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR LOCAL CODE OFFICIALS AND WHEREAS IT STARTS WITH YOU, BUILDING SAFETY IS PERSONAL, LOCAL, AND GLOBAL IS THE THEME FOR BUILDING SAFETY MONTH 2023, RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFE AND SUSTAINABLE CONSTRUCTION, PREPARING AND ADVOCATING FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, AND SOLVING CHALLENGES TOGETHER. NOW, THEREFORE, I COUNCIL MEMBER MELANIE BURKHOLDER, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF MAY 2023 AS BUILDING SAFETY MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. TAKE AWAY. [APPLAUSE] >> WELL, GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING LEADERSHIP AND RECOGNITION ON BUILDING AND SAFETY MONTH. THIS ANNUAL CAMPAIGN IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MYSELF AS YOUR CITY SENIOR BUILDING INSPECTOR TO SHARE WITH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY THE IMPORTANT WORK MY TEAM MEMBERS DO EVERY DAY. AS A COMMUNITY, OUR GROWTH, OUR STRENGTH, AS WELL AS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND ECONOMIC VALUE, DEPENDS UPON THE QUALITY OF OUR STRUCTURES. YOUR BUILDING DIVISION IS CHARGED WITH MAKING SURE THAT THE STRUCTURES THAT GET BUILT MEET THE REQUIRED CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT STAFF, BUILDING TECHNICIANS PLANS EXAMINERS, AND BUILDING INSPECTORS WE COLLECTIVELY MAKE SURE THAT THE STRUCTURES THAT GET BUILT ARE SAFE. MYSELF, MY TEAM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BROADER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WILL CONTINUE OUR DAILY VIGILANT PURSUIT FOR SAFE AND SUSTAINABLE CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE CARLSBAD A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, TO WORK, AND TO RAISE A FAMILY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR RECOGNITION ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. [APPLAUSE] >> SIR, PLEASE WAIT JUST A FEW MINUTES. WE'LL DO A GROUP PHOTO AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATIONS. NEXT, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO READ THE PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL MILITARY APPRECIATION MONTH. IT SAYS IN 1999, THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS DESIGNATED MAY AS THE NATIONAL MILITARY APPRECIATION MONTH TO ENSURE THE NATION WAS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PUBLICLY SHOW THEIR APPRECIATION FOR PAST AND PRESENT MILITARY MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. TODAY, THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES IS COMPRISED OF SIX BRANCHES, INCLUDING: ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES, COAST GUARD, AND SPACE FORCE. THE US MILITARY FORCE'S OVER 2.2 MILLION STRONG AND INCLUDES THE NATIONAL GUARD AND RESERVE UNITS. THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF MAY, THERE ARE MANY MILITARY-RELATED OBSERVANCES TO CELEBRATE THE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM AND TO HONOR ALL THEY DO TO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY, SUCH AS ARMED FORCES DAY, MILITARY SPOUSES DAY, AND MEMORIAL DAY. SAN DIEGO COUNTY IS HOME TO THE NATION'S LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY PERSONNEL, INCLUDING OVER 200,000 VETERANS. WE PAY TRIBUTE TO THE VETERANS, RETIREES, AND THE MILLIONS OF MILITARY FAMILY MEMBERS FOR THEIR SELFLESS SACRIFICE AND INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS. THEREFORE, I, KEITH BLACKBURN, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL, DO PROCLAIM MAY 2023 AS NATIONAL MILITARY APPRECIATION MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, AS WE PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO HAVE SACRIFICED SO MUCH FOR [00:10:03] OUR FREEDOM AND REFLECT ON THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. I INVITE BOTH SCOTT CHADWICK AND PAZ GOMEZ TO SPEAK. >> IT'S WEIRD TO BE ON THIS SIDE. IT IS AN HONOR TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF PAST AND PRESENT MEMBERS OF OUR ARMED FORCES AND THEIR FAMILIES. I'M A PROUD ARMY VETERAN MYSELF. ON THIS DAY, I STILL CALL UPON MY TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE I GAINED DURING MY ACTIVE DUTY TIME, BOTH HERE AND OVERSEAS. I AM A BETTER PERSON AND A BETTER LEADER BECAUSE OF WHAT I LEARNED IN THE MILITARY AND WHAT THEY'VE TAUGHT US. NOW I APPRECIATE CITY COUNCIL'S RECOGNITION OF NATIONAL MILITARY APPRECIATION MONTH, AND THE LONG AND PROUD HISTORY OF MILITARY SERVICE IN OUR REGION. HERE IN CARLSBAD, WE ARE HOSTING NUMEROUS CURRENT AND FORMER MILITARY MEMBERS, MANY OF WHOM FOUND CARLSBAD BY WAY OF OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, MARINE CORPS BASE, CAMP PENDLETON. CAMP PENDLETON IS ONE OF THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT'S BUSIEST INSTALLATIONS PROVIDING IMPORTANT TRAINING FOR ACTIVE RESERVE MARINE, ARMY, AND NAVY UNITS, AS WELL AS NATIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL AGENCIES. NOW IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, THIS BASE HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY FROM ITS CREATION BACK IN 1942 AND WHEN IT INITIALLY WAS USED TO TRAIN OUR TROOPS IN WORLD WAR II. TODAY IT'S HOME TO MORE THAN 38,000 MILITARY FAMILIES AND HAS A DAYTIME POPULATION OF ABOUT 70,000 MILITARY AND CIVILIAN PERSONNEL. TO OUR SOUTH, OUR REGION HOSTS ABOUT 60 PERCENT OF THE US NAVY PACIFIC FLEET AND SERVES AS BASIC TRAINING FOR HALF OF ALL MARINES IN THIS COUNTRY. OF COURSE, WE ARE ALSO HOME TO THE FAMOUS TOPGUN PROGRAM AT MIRAMAR CORPS, AIR STATION MIRAMAR. THE MILITARY PRESENCE IN OUR REGION IS NOT JUST A SOURCE OF GREAT PRIDE, BUT IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO OUR ECONOMY. ACCORDING TO THE 2019 SAN DIEGO MILITARY ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY, 354,000 MILITARY CONNECTED JOBS ACCOUNT FOR 22 PERCENT OF ALL JOBS IN THE REGION. AND THE MILITARY MAKES A $51 BILLION CONTRIBUTION TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY, OR 1/5 OF THE REGION'S NATIONAL OR GROSS REGIONAL PRODUCT. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME AND PAZ THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION AND TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT OUR IMPORTANT ROLE. I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO PAZ. I DO WANT TO MENTION THE TWO OF US WE'RE VETERANS AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCES OF PAZ, BUT THERE'S NO ONE. I'D RATHER SHARE AN EXECUTIVE TEAM WITH, SO PAZ, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ON BEHALF OF ALL THE VETERANS AND THE MILITARY PERSONNEL PAST AND PRESENT. NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE SAID GO NAVY BEAT ARMY. BUT IT'S ALL IN GOOD FUN WHENEVER WE IN THE MILITARY COME TOGETHER AND CELEBRATE, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THIS MONTH. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF IS THAT I DID SERVE FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES IN THE US NAVY FOLLOWING MY FATHER'S FOOTSTEPS. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT US WHO DO SERVE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT OUR FAMILIES. I WAS SO PROUD THAT RECENTLY MY SON IS NOW WORKING FOR THE US NAVY AS WELL. IT IS FAMILY, IT IS APPRECIATION. YOU DON'T GET PAID MUCH WHEN YOU SERVE IN THE MILITARY. IT IS ABOUT PRIDE OF SERVING THE COUNTRY AND THOSE WHO ARE THE CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY. MAY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE MONTHS, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF MOTHER'S DAY, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF ALL THE CELEBRATIONS AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED. MAY 12TH COMING UP ITS MILITARY FAMILIES DAY, MAY 13TH IS IN CELEBRATION OF THE CHILDREN OF FALLEN HEROES, MAY 20TH FOR ARMED FORCES DAY, AND MEMORIAL DAY ON MAY 29TH. THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION AND I'M VERY PROUD TO BE STANDING BESIDE MY BOSS AND AN ARMY VETERAN. SCOTT. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> ALL OF THOSE WHO RECEIVED A PROCLAMATION, PLEASE MEET US AT THE FRONT OF THE PODIUM. [BACKGROUND] >> [INAUDIBLE] THE LAST ONE. THANK YOU. [00:15:24] [APPLAUSE] CAN YOU SMILE? A LITTLE MORE. THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] >> NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENT. [PUBLIC COMMENT (Part 1 of 2)] I HAVE TO READ THIS, IT SAYS, "THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY, AND RESPECT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY PROVIDING COMMENTS AS PROVIDED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE COMMENTS AS REQUESTED UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ALL OTHER NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING. IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT, NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH THE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY, AND THAT THIS CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED." WE'LL CALL YOUR NAME. PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. AT THE END OF TWO-AND-A-HALF MINUTES, THE LITTLE PROMPT WILL TURN YELLOW, GIVING YOU SOME NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT. I'M GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THE THREE MINUTES, SO WE'RE FAIR TO EVERYBODY. SO I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE CALL OUR FIRST SPEAKER. >> MIKE BORRELLO FOLLOWED BY LAURIE ROBBINS. >> COUNCIL, WE MAY HAVE SOME OPPOSING OPINIONS THIS EVENING, SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT TOPIC ABOUT DIVISION. THIS IS A LESSON FROM A SCHOOL-AGE KID LEARNING ABOUT THE SALEM WITCH TRIALS, TEACHER SPEAKING TO HER STUDENTS. I'M GOING TO COME AROUND AND WHISPER TO EACH OF YOU WHETHER YOU ARE A WITCH OR A REGULAR PERSON. YOUR GOAL IS TO BUILD THE LARGEST GROUP POSSIBLE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A WITCH IN IT. AT THE END, ANY GROUP FOUND TO INCLUDE A WITCH GETS A FAILING GRADE. THE TEENS DOVE INTO GRILLING AND QUESTIONING ONE ANOTHER. ONE FAIRLY LARGE GROUP FORMED, BUT MOST OF THE STUDENTS BROKE INTO SMALL EXCLUSIVE GROUPS, TURNING AWAY ANYONE THAT THEY BELIEVE GAVE OFF EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF GUILT OF BEING A WITCH. "OKAY," THE TEACHER SAID, "YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED YOUR GROUPS. TIME TO FIND OUT WHICH ONES FAILED. ALL WITCHES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS." NOT A SINGLE KID ROSE THEIR HAND. KIDS WERE ALL CONFUSED. [00:20:01] THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A LESSON ABOUT SALEM WITCH TRIALS. DID I MESS UP? WAS ANYONE IN SALEM AN ACTUAL WITCH? OR DID EVERYONE JUST BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAD BEEN TOLD? THIS IS A LESSON ON HOW SIMPLE IT IS TO DIVIDE PEOPLE IN A COMMUNITY. DO YOUR BEST TO CONTINUE TO BE WELCOMING AND UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS IN THESE TRYING TIMES. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. TRAFFIC CONGESTION, BLOCKED EMERGENCY VEHICLES, NOISE POLLUTION, POSSIBLE CHEMICAL SPILLS, UNSUITABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR FAMILY HOUSING, TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK, NON-ADA COMPLIANT FOR THE DISABLED, SENIORS, PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS, DEAF OR BLIND PEOPLE. DRUNK PEOPLE PLAYING CHICKEN, KIDS PLAYING ON THE TRACKS, KIDS DYING ON THE TRACKS. MY NAME IS LAURIE ROBBINS, AND I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT IN FAVOR OF TRENCHING THE RAILROAD TRACKS. ABOUT 15% OF THE DESIGN FOR TRENCHING HAS BEEN COMPLETED. THE COASTAL COMMISSION APPROVALS WERE GRANTED IN 2011, 12 YEARS AGO. IN THAT 12 YEARS, 17 PEOPLE HAVE DIED ON THE TRACK, INCLUDING TWO TRAGIC DEATHS THIS YEAR ALREADY. RIGHT NOW, THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS, BUT A LOCAL CONTRIBUTION IS NEEDED TO CONTINUE. THIS MONEY WILL TURN INTO INCREASED TAX BASE, AN INCREASE IN HOUSING, MORE BUSINESSES, AND NEW JOBS FOR CARLSBAD SURROUNDING CITIES AND RAILROAD EMPLOYEES. MY HOPE IS THAT COUNCIL VOTES LEADS INTO THE 2023/24 BUDGET. THE CITY HAS THE MONEY. WITHOUT THE LOCAL SEED MONEY, THE TRENCHING PROJECT WILL STALL AGAIN AND MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE. COUNCIL HAS VOTED TO SAVE LIVES WITH THE BIKE EMERGENCY. I KNOW COUNCIL BELIEVES PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS A TOP PRIORITY. VOTE YES TO TRENCH THE TRACKS. THANK YOU. >> DIANA RICKER FOLLOWED BY DEVIN WRIGHT. >> THIS IS REALLY HARD FOR ME TO BE UP HERE FROM MY CHAIR OVER HERE. >> PLEASE PUT THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH. THANK YOU. >> FROM MY SEAT OVER HERE, THE PANEL LOOKS OPTIMISTIC FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOESN'T. I'VE MADE PROBABLY WELL OVER 100 PHONE CALLS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I AM A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. WHEN AN OFFICER TOLD ME THAT HE CALLED THE PERSON THAT I SUSPECT HAS BEEN POISONING US, THE OFFICER SAID THAT HE DID CALL HIM, AND HE ASKED HIM IF HE WAS HARMING US AND HE SAID NO, AND THEY CLOSED MY CASE. I WENT TO THE COURT AND THE COURTS BELITTLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT, BASICALLY, THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE ME. WITH MY INCOME TAX MONEY, I SENT A SAMPLE TO BE TESTED AND THE TEST CAME BACK YESTERDAY. I SAID, "I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS JARGON IS, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THIS SAYS?" HE SAID, "WELL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT ANTI-FREEZE IS?" I SAID, "OH, MY GOD," I JUST BROKE DOWN IN TEARS. I'VE CALLED THE POLICE SO MANY TIMES. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO KEEP HAVING SAMPLES TESTED. [00:25:04] I SUSPECT THAT ME AND MY CHILDREN ARE BEING POISONED. THE POISON THAT WAS FOUND ON MY JACKET, MY FAVORITE JACKET, IT WASN'T FOUND IN LIQUID OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR WE DIDN'T CONSUME IT THAT I KNOW OF. BUT IT WAS NOT ANTIFREEZE PER SE, BUT IT WAS THE CHEMICALS THAT MAKES THE TOXIN IN THE ANTIFREEZE, AND THAT'S HOW I WAS POISONED. I DON'T HAVE $975 AGAIN TO TEST, BUT I KEEP PULLING OUR HAIR STRANDS, IF IN CASE WE DO DIE, SOMEONE CAN HAVE THESE TESTED. MY ALLEGATIONS, MY CLAIMS, NOTHING IS BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY. I HOPE THAT YOU UP HERE CAN HELP PUSH FOR SOME SORT OF ACTION FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM IS ONE OF OUR POLICE LIEUTENANTS. WOULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK WITH HIM? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'D FIRST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TODAY WE GATHER ON THE TRADITIONAL LANDS OF THE KUMEYAAY IN [INAUDIBLE] GRATITUDE THE LAND ITSELF AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE STEWARD IT THROUGHOUT OUR GENERATIONS. THIS CALLS US TO COMMIT TO CONTINUING TO LEARN HOW TO BE BETTER STEWARDS OF THE LAND THAT WE INHABIT. HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS DEVIN WRIGHT, I AM HERE TODAY AS A MEMBER OF THE CARLSBAD VOLUNTEER LEADERS. >> I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A MOMENT. WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE MICROPHONE PROBLEMS. JUST GIVE US A MOMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE HEARD. >> THANK YOU. >> WE'LL START YOUR TIME OVER AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. >> TECHNOLOGY. >> I'LL START OVER. THANK YOU EVERYONE. I'D FIRST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TODAY WE GATHER ON THE TRADITIONAL LAND OF THE KUMEYAAY AND [INAUDIBLE] PEOPLE'S PAST AND PRESENT. WE HONOR WITH GRATITUDE, THE LAND ITSELF AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE STEWARDED IT THROUGH PAST GENERATIONS. THIS CALLS US TO COMMIT TO CONTINUING TO LEARN HOW TO BE BETTER STEWARDS OF THE LAND THAT WE INHABIT AS WELL. HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS DEVIN WRIGHT. I'M HERE TODAY AS A MEMBER OF THE CARLSBAD VOLUNTEER LEADERS. I'M HERE WITH YOU TO CALL OUR ATTENTION TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES IN THIS AREA AND RAISE AWARENESS TOWARDS THE USE OF LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENTS AND TO ASK THAT CARLSBAD PUBLIC SERVICE WORKERS AND RESIDENTS HONOR THAT AS WELL. I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR OPEN MINDS AND EARS. I OPENED WITH A STATEMENT OF LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT. THESE STATEMENTS ARE DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE AND RESPECT THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO RESIDE AND HAVE RESIDED ON PARTICULAR TERRITORIES. THESE ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT ALLOW US TO IGNORE THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE HERE BEFORE US, AND THAT WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE TO THANK FOR TAKING SUCH GREAT CARE OF THE EARTH. THOUGH NOT ENOUGH ON THEIR OWN LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENTS ARE ONE WAY OF TELLING OUR INDIGENOUS NEIGHBORS THAT WE SEE THEM. WE KNOW THAT THEY EXIST AND WE THANK THEM. LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENTS DO NOT ERASE THE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE, BUT THEY ARE A START TO PREVENTING THE FUTURE ERASER OF STRONG AND BEAUTIFULLY COMPLEX PEOPLE. THE TRIBAL LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT ACT ENCOURAGES PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PARKS, LIBRARIES, AND MUSEUMS TO ADOPT LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT PROCESSES THAT RECOGNIZE INDIGENOUS TRIBES AS TRADITIONAL STEWARDS OF THE LAND ON WHICH AN ENTITY IS LOCATED. TODAY, I ASKED THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE ARRAY OF PHYSICAL AND DIGITAL SPACES IN WHICH YOU CAN PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND APPRECIATE THE KUMEYAAY AND [INAUDIBLE] TRIBES AS STEWARDS OF THIS LAND. AS INDIVIDUALS IN THIS ROOM, I ASK ALL OF US TO COMMIT TO MAKING USE OF THESE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENTS IN YOUR PERSONAL LIVES. THIS DOES NOT COST ANY MONEY AND IT JUST TAKES A BIT OF TIME, ENERGY AND INTENTIONALITY TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE THE LAND THAT YOU LIVE AND WORK ON. THIS CAN LOOK LIKE DOING RESEARCH TO LEARN ABOUT WHOSE LAND THAT WE'RE ON. ADDING AN EMAIL SIGNATURE TO INVITE OTHERS TO LEARN WHOSE LAND THEY'RE ON AND SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY MEMBERS, AND NEIGHBORS. THIS MIGHT SEEM LIKE A SIMPLE AND MAYBE EVEN TOO SMALL OF AN ACTION TO MATTER OR MAKE A DIFFERENCE. HOWEVER, THE PROCESS OF BUILDING BRIDGES WITH ONE ANOTHER AND THE LAND BEGINS WITH INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT. THE MORE THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO HONOR PEOPLE, PLANTS, AND PROCESSES THAT HAVE PROVIDED US WITH BEAUTIFUL BEACHES AND WILDLIFE. THE CLOSER WE WILL BE TO ADOPTING KINDER AND LESS EXTRACTIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR EARTH AND EACH OTHER. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. [00:30:04] >> TARA CRUDIN, FOLLOWED BY DIANA AGIRRE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS TARA CRUDIN AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 1 OF CARLSBAD. I'M A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH MEANS NEXT YEAR I'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE IN ELECTIONS. BECAUSE OF THIS, MY PEERS AND I HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO GET MORE INVOLVED IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND TO CREATE THE FUTURE THAT WE WANT FOR OURSELVES. IN MY HUMANITIES CLASSES, WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THIS CITY MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS WHY I CAN SAY WITH ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE THAT WHAT THE FUTURE GENERATION WANTS IS FOR THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF OUR COMMUNITY TO THRIVE. RATHER THAN GROWING PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS, WE SHOULD PUT ASIDE MORE OPEN LAND FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE INDIGENOUS PLANTS AND WILDLIFE THAT WE'RE HERE BEFORE US. OUR CITY HOUSE IS 56 DIFFERENT NATIVE SPECIES, YET ONLY 24 ARE CONSIDERED ABSOLUTE, ADEQUATELY PROTECTED BY THE HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN. THERE ARE ALSO 19 MORE THAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED, BUT AREN'T BEING FUNDED PROPERLY TO DO SO. WHILE SOME OF THESE SPECIES ARE HOUSED IN ECOLOGICAL RESERVES, MANY OF THEM ARE FORCED TO LIVE OUTSIDE THEIR HOMES AND ARE BURDENED BY THINGS LIKE DEFORESTATION, POLLUTION, AND HABITAT FRAGMENTATION. WE'RE INCREDIBLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF OPEN LAND HERE IN CARLSBAD. YET ONLY THREE PERCENT OF THIS SPACE IS DESIGNATED PRESERVED LAND FOR NATURAL SPECIES. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE DESERVES TO LIVE IN A HEALTHY COMMUNITY. PART OF MAKING SURE OUR COMMUNITY STAYS HEALTHY, RESIDES WITH DECISION-MAKERS, INCLUDING HEALTH AND EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS WHEN MAKING LAND USE DECISIONS. IF WE TURN SOME OF THE CITY-OWNED LAND INTO RESERVES, WE CAN ENSURE THAT THESE ORGANISMS CONTINUE TO THRIVE WITHOUT HARM FROM HUMANS. DOING THIS WOULD NOT ONLY BENEFIT THEM, BUT US AS WELL. THESE SPECIES CAN PURIFY OUR WATER, PROVIDE US WITH FOOD AND MEDICINE, PREVENT WATER RUNOFF, AND HELP US MAINTAIN AN OVERALL BALANCED ECOSYSTEM. THE NATURAL RESOURCES IN OUR WORLD GIVE US SO MUCH. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GIVE BACK AND THAT WE DON'T TAKE WHAT WE HAVE FOR GRANTED. NEXT TIME YOU VOTE ON LAND MANAGEMENT ISSUES. WHAT TO DO WITH CITY FUNDS AND UTILIZING OPEN SPACE. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT BY PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, WE CAN ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY MAINTAINS A VIBRANT AND DIVERSE PLACE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DIANA AGIRRE AND I'M A RESIDENT HOMEOWNER AND DISTRICT 3. AS WE CELEBRATE ASIAN-AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER HERITAGE MONTH, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT, AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS HERE IN THE ROOM TO ACKNOWLEDGE COUNCIL MEMBER PRIYA BHAT-PATEL, WHO HAS MADE HISTORY AS THE FIRST INDIAN AMERICAN CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN ALL OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY. FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL HAS WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ADVOCATE FOR THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS OF CARLSBAD. HER EFFORTS HAVE HELPED CREATE A MORE INCLUSIVE AND EQUITABLE COMMUNITY FOR ALL OF US. HER LEADERSHIP HAS INSPIRED MANY OF US TO GET INVOLVED AND MAKE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IN HONOR OF AAPI MONTH AND IN SUPPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL. I PRESENT THIS PETITION CREATED BY CARLSBAD RESIDENTS AND SIGNED BY OVER 200 SUPPORTERS. WE WANT TO THANK HER FOR ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO SHOW UP AND SUPPORT OF AN OPTIONAL FILM ACADEMY CAREER PATHWAY COURSE AT THE CUSD BOARD MEETING. BECAUSE OF HER CALL TO ACTION, STUDENTS AND PARENTS SHOWED UP OR HEARD AND THE COURSE WAS APPROVED WITH THE 5-0 VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL DEMONSTRATES A COMMITMENT TO CREATING A MORE JUST AND EQUITABLE WORLD FOR ALL. COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL, YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR ADVOCACY ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED AND WE STAND WITH YOU IN SOLIDARITY AGAINST HATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO CREATING A MORE JUST AND EQUITABLE COMMUNITY FOR ALL. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC SPEAKING. DO WE HAVE MORE FOR THE END? >> YES, WE DO. >> THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T CALLED, YOU'LL BE CALLED AT THE END OF THE MEETING. NEXT IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, [CONSENT CALENDAR] ITEMS 1 THROUGH 6. [00:35:02] DO I HAVE A MOTION? FIRST, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PULL ONE OR MAKE A COMMENT ON ANY? NO. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON 1 THROUGH 6? >> YES, WE DO. ON ITEM NUMBER 5, MAYOR. >> CALL THAT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> MIKE BORRELLO FOLLOWED BY KELLY LIEBERTHAL. >> LOOKING AT AGENDA 5, REALLY SAD TO READ THAT SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE THAT THEIR FACILITY HERE IN CARLSBAD IS PULLING OUT. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THEIR CEO, CHRIS MAGNUS, A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE HAD A SUSTAINABLE PROGRAM. THEY HAD 70-80% EFFECTIVENESS IN GETTING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND SUSTAINING THEM IN A HOME, IN A RESIDENCE. YOU CAN'T REALLY CLAIM THAT FOR CALIFORNIA OR THE COUNTY OR ANYTHING. THEY DON'T REALLY REPORT THE STATISTICS BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO POOR OR THEY'RE NOT TAKING THOSE NUMBERS. THE REASON THEY'RE THROWING THEM OUT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR POLICY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE SOBER. THE CITY HERE HAS BASICALLY BARGAINED WITH THE DEVIL, WITH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE. THEY'RE TAKING MONEY FROM THE COUNTY AND THE STATE IN ORDER TO BRING IN PEOPLE TO HOUSE THEM THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY FREE OF SOBRIETY OR DRUGS OR MENTAL ILLNESS. THESE PROGRAMS AREN'T TAKING CARE OF THAT PART OF THE POPULATION, THE HOMELESS. MR. CHADWICK, I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T LIVE IN CARLSBAD SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE AN INVESTED INTEREST IN CARLSBAD. BUT YOU MAY HAVE AN APARTMENT HERE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. WE PAY YOU $452,724 A YEAR ACCORDING TO 2021 SALARY, THAT'S ACCORDING TO TRANSPARENT CALIFORNIA, BUT YOU DON'T LIVE HERE. BUT YOU'RE MAKING THESE CHANGES IN THE CITY THAT AREN'T DOING ANY GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD. THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS. AS A CITY, WE SHOULD HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO. WE SHOULD SAY NO TO THE COUNTY, WE SHOULD SAY NO TO THE STATE. DON'T TAKE THEIR MONEY IF YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEIR RULES OF HOUSING FIRST. HOUSING FIRST IS NOT REALLY A SOLUTION TO THE HOMELESS PROBLEM. I SENT YOU AN EMAIL LAST WEEK AND YOU CAN SEE WHY. I THINK THAT'S ALL. TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM A WITNESS FROM THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING FIRST A LITTLE BIT AND HIS OPINIONS ON WHETHER THAT REALLY WORKS OR NOT. I GUESS WE HAD ONE PERSON DIE IN THE COMMUNITY HERE BEHIND A DOOR. PUT HIM BEHIND A DOOR, THEY DIED. I UNDERSTAND HE ALSO KNOWS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DIED BECAUSE OF HOUSING FIRST PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE IS A SUCCESS STORY. ROOM KEY, HOME KEY, AND HOUSING FIRST PROGRAMS ARE ALL PROVABLE FAILURES. WHY DO ELECTED OFFICIALS CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR THESE FAILED PROGRAMS? BECAUSE THEY COME WITH MILLIONS OF FEDERAL, STATE, AND COUNTY DOLLARS. FREE MONEY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT FREE, IT'S TAXPAYER MONEY. NOT ONLY DO THESE LOW BARRIER PROGRAMS FAIL TO HELP THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE HOMELESS, THEY ARE CRUSHING THE WORKING MEN AND WOMEN WITH A MASSIVE TAX BURDEN. BUT HOUSING FIRST AND LOW BARRIER PROGRAMS COME IN EVEN GREATER COST THAN HIGH DOLLARS. THAT COST IS HUMAN LIFE. THESE PROGRAMS ENABLED THE ADDICTED TO CONTINUE IN THEIR PATHOLOGIES. SAN FRANCISCO LAUNCHED PROJECT ROOMKEY, HOUSING THOUSANDS IN HOTELS. HOWEVER, LETHAL DRUG ACTIVITY FLOURISHED IN AND AROUND THE BUILDINGS. THEN CAME THE BODY COUNT, 13 FATAL OVERDOSES WHILE ISOLATED INSIDE THE HOTEL ROOMS AND HOUSING PROVIDED BY THE CITY WHICH IS WHAT MIKE WAS ALSO REFERRING TO HERE IN CARLSBAD. THE REASON THERE IS NO SOBRIETY REQUIREMENTS, RESIDENTS DO, HOWEVER, GET PLENTY OF FRESH NEEDLES, FENTANYL, AND OTHER DRUGS SUPPLIES COURTESY OF THE HARM REDUCTION TEAMS. WHAT DOES WORK? SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE WHICH REQUIRES SOBRIETY FOR THEIR HOUSING, [00:40:06] AND HAS A FANTASTIC SUCCESS RATE OF RESCUING THE DRUG ADDICTED FROM THE STREETS TO LEADING PRODUCTIVE AND PURPOSEFUL LIVES. TREATMENT FIRST PROGRAMS WORK. THESE PROGRAMS HAVE DEMONSTRATED ROBUST RESULTS. THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA RAN A MULTI-DECADE STEADY ON INTENSIVE HOUSING AND TREATMENT PROGRAMS FOR THE HOMELESS TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS INTO RECOVERY CONNECTED WITH EMPLOYMENT AND INDEPENDENT LIVING. THERE IS ALSO THE MYTH THAT PROVIDING HOUSING WILL SOLVE THE HOMELESS PROBLEM. IT WILL NOT. THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT THE PRIMARY CAUSE. WITHOUT HELP FOR THEIR MANY DISABLING CONDITIONS, MOST OF THE HOMELESS WILL CONTINUE TO BE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN THEMSELVES IN PERMANENT HOUSING. THOSE DISABLED BY ADDICTIONS AND MENTAL ILLNESS OR BOTH, WHO DRIFT IN AND OUT OF HOMELESSNESS, STAYING INTERMITTENTLY IN SHELTERS, HOSPITALS, JAILS, DETOX UNITS, TRANSITIONAL PROGRAMS, AND BACK ON THE STREETS IN A CONTINUOUS CYCLE ARE PARTICULARLY AT RISK OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN INDEPENDENT LIVING. WE MUST ADDRESS THE DISABILITIES THAT MAKE MAINTAINING STABLE HOUSING IMPOSSIBLE BEFORE MAKING THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE CENTRAL ISSUE FOR TODAY'S HOMELESS. THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, MAYOR. >> MAY I ASK STAFF TO GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF ITEM NUMBER 5, PLEASE? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MANDY MILLS. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSING & HOMELESS SERVICES. ITEM 5 IS RELATED ACTUALLY TO A PROPERTY IN VISTA AT 987 POSTAL WAY IN VISTA. BACK IN 2012, THE CITY ACTUALLY ALLOCATED HOME FUNDS FOR TWO SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY AND USE IT FOR SOME RESIDENT GRADUATES OF THEIR PROGRAM. THEY DID LOOK FOR PROPERTY IN CARLSBAD AND WERE UNABLE TO FIND ANYTHING WITHIN THE PRICE RANGE THAT THEY COULD AFFORD SO THEY FOUND A PROPERTY IN VISTA. JUST TO NOTE, THE HOME FUNDS ARE ACTUALLY ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. AT THAT TIME WE'RE ALLOWED TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS FOR USE IN CARLSBAD BECAUSE WE'RE A MEMBER OF THE HOME CONSORTIUM. WE WERE ABLE TO ALLOCATE A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THAT USE. THEY IDENTIFIED THEIR PROPERTY IN VISTA, AND THEY SECURED A NUMBER OF OTHER FINANCING SOURCES, SO THE CITY DID NOT GO SEEK OTHER FUNDING THIS WAS ALL SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE DRIVEN. IN ADDITION TO THE CITY FUNDS, WHICH WAS $780,000, THEY DID OBTAIN TAX CREDITS AND BOND FINANCING AND ALSO PROJECT-BASED FINANCING THROUGH THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. THAT RENTAL ASSISTANCE IS ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RENTAL INCOME TO OPERATE THAT PROJECT. IT DID OPERATE SUCCESSFULLY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THEN IN 2012, THE COUNTY REALLY DID COME TO SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE AND SAID, WITH THE PROJECT-BASED VOUCHER, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIMIT THE RESIDENCY BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL USE SINCE YOU CAN'T LIMIT IT BASED ON RULES LIKE SOBRIETY. ALSO, RESIDENCY HAD TO COME UP AS A CENTRAL WAITING LIST AS OPPOSED TO GRADUATES OF A PARTICULAR PROGRAM. SO REALLY SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS THEY DID TRY TO FIGHT THIS WITH THE COUNTY AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS DECIDED TO WITHDRAW FROM ALL OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE GOVERNMENT FUNDING. THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT WE CONSENT TO TRANSFER THE MANAGING GENERAL PARTNER ROLE FROM SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE TO KINGDOM DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN KINGDOM DEVELOPMENT WOULD ASSUME OWNERSHIP AND THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AS IS WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING THERE NOW. THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AND ABIDE BY THE REGULATORY AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? >> JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE, STOOD UP TO THE RULES AND SAID, WE'D RATHER GIVE YOUR MONEY BACK THAN TO FOLLOW RULES THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. IS THAT ESSENTIALLY RIGHT? >> YES, THEY OBVIOUSLY REQUESTED TO MAINTAIN THE FUNDING SOURCE AND ABIDE BY THE RULES, AND THEY REALLY CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. THEY CAN'T RECEIVE THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, [00:45:01] FUNDING AND ABIDE BY THEIR OWN RULES AND SO REALLY THE PROJECT IS NOT FINANCIALLY VIABLE WITHOUT THAT PROJECT-BASED FINANCING. >> THE MONEY THAT WE GRANTED TO THEM WASN'T TECHNICALLY OUR MONEY. IT'S MONEY THAT WAS GIVEN TO US WITH THE COUNTY OR THE STATE. WHOEVER WE GIVE IT TO THOSE RULES FOLLOW IT'S NOT OUR RULES. IS THAT RIGHT? >> IT'S FEDERAL FUNDING. IT'S HOME FUNDING, WHICH IS A BLOCK GRANT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEN THAT COMES FLOWS THROUGH THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A PROJECT FOR THAT ALLOCATION. THE MAIN ISSUE HERE REALLY IS THE PROJECT-BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE FINANCING THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN FUNDING SOURCE THAT HAS THIS RULE CHANGE THAT IS IMPACTING THE PROJECT. >> WITH KINGDOM DEVELOPMENT TAKING IT OVER THEY RETURNED THE MONEY THAT CAME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS AND THEN THEY CAN THEN FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES THROUGH SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE? >> NO, LITERALLY ALL THE PROJECT FINANCING STAYS IN PLACE. NOTHING CHANGES EXCEPT FOR KINGDOM WILL ABIDE BY THE COUNTY'S RULES. SOME CLIENTS WILL COME OFF A CENTRAL WAITING LIST AND THERE WILL BE NO RULES OF REQUIRING SOBRIETY TO LIVE IN THE UNITS. >> WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GRADUATES OF SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE WHO ARE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE? >> IT'S JUST NATURAL ATTRITION. IF SOMEBODY MOVES OUT THE NEXT AVAILABLE UNIT HAS TO COME OFF THE CENTRAL WAITING LIST. >> OKAY. PLEASE FORGIVE ME YOU MAY HAVE ADDRESSED THIS IN PRIOR COUNCIL MEMBERS OR MEETINGS, BUT THE PROJECT THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF HARDING AND CHESTNUT, WE PARTICIPATED WITH SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE MANY YEARS AGO. WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? >> WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM FOR A WHILE NOW AND WE'RE EXPLORING OPTIONS AND WILL PROBABLY BE RETURNING TO CITY COUNCIL WITHIN SIX MONTHS TO TALK ABOUT OPTIONS FOR THAT PROPERTY. >> IS THAT GOING TO ENCOUNTER THE SAME PROBLEMS AS THIS PROPERTY INVESTOR? >> THERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE THEIR BOARD HAS DECIDED TO WITHDRAW FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, YES. >> ANY CLOSING COMMENTS? MS. BURKHOLDER. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MANDY, FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS FOR SOLUTIONS. I SHARE THE SPEAKER'S SENTIMENTS THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WORKS AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, ESPECIALLY AS A MENTAL HEALTH THERAPIST. AS I SIT IN MY SHOES TO SEE THAT THE CITY IS PIVOTING TOWARD HOUSING FIRST FOR THESE FOLKS BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT A MODEL THAT WORKS AND WE KNOW WHAT DOES. IT'S FRUSTRATING FROM WHERE I SIT BECAUSE I DO FEEL SO MUCH CONCERN FOR THESE FOLKS, NOT EVEN NECESSARILY ALL THE GRADUATES FROM SOLUTIONS, BUT ANY PROGRAM SHOULD REQUIRE SOME LEVEL OF SOBRIETY AND YOU CAN'T REALLY ABSORB WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IF YOU'RE UNDER THE INFLUENCE. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING ON THAT ITEM. I WASN'T GOING TO PULL IT, BUT I'M GLAD I GOT PULLED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THANKS. >> MS. ACOSTA. >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO ASK ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION TO MS. MILLS. IS SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE BEING PUT OUT OF BUSINESS OR ARE THEY ABLE TO STILL OPERATE THEIR PROGRAM JUST WITHOUT THESE FUNDS? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WILL STILL OPERATE THEIR PROGRAMS. IT'S REALLY THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THEIR PROGRAMS THAT RECEIVE GOVERNMENT FUNDING THAT THEY'RE WITHDRAWING FROM OWNERSHIP. >> THE QUESTION IS ABOUT RECEIVING GOVERNMENT FUNDING THAT HAS RULES AROUND RECEIVING GOVERNMENT FUNDING, BUT THEY'RE ABLE TO OPERATE WITHOUT THAT. THEY JUST HAVE TO FIND OTHER FUNDING, RIGHT? >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THEY'RE HEADED. >> OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. >> I'LL GRANDSTAND FOR A SECOND. MANY YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS NEW ON THE COUNCIL, I WAS INVITED TO SEE WHAT SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE DOES AND THEY HAVE A MODEL THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT AND VERY EFFECTIVE. I DON'T REMEMBER ALL OF THE DETAILS, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET OFF THE STREETS, THEY HAVE TO PUT AN EFFORT INTO IT AND SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE STANDS BY THEM THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, INCLUDING EDUCATION, LEARNING HOW TO DRESS FOR INTERVIEWS, HOW TO BE DEPENDABLE, HOW TO SHOW UP ONTO EVERYTHING THAT WE TAUGHT OUR CHILDREN AND SOMETIMES ADULTS WEREN'T TAUGHT THIS. THEY TAKE THE TIME, I WANT TO SAY AND I COULD BE OFF THAT THIS IS LIKE A TWO-YEAR PROGRAM. THEY LIVE THERE, THEY LEARN HOW TO BE RESPONSIBLE CONTRIBUTING ADULTS. THEN THEY FINALLY WORK THEIR WAY INTO LIVING ON THEIR OWN STILL WITH ASSISTANCE FROM SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE. THEY PUT A HUGE EFFORT INTO TAKING FAMILIES OFF THE STREET AND PUTTING THEM BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE SOCIETY. [00:50:01] VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT. VERY SAD THAT THEN THE GOVERNMENT COMES IN AND SAYS YOU CAN ONLY KEEP THE FUNDS IF YOU FOLLOW OUR RULES, WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT YOUR SUCCESSFUL RULES HAVE BEEN. THAT'S MY GRANDSTANDING. IT'S UP TO THE COUNTY AND THE STATE IF THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM MONEY, THEY GET TO PUT RULES TO IT AND IF YOU WANT TO REJECT IT, THEN YOU CAN. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE INTERESTED, PLEASE LOOK UP SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE. THEY'VE GOT A VERY INTRICATE AND VERY LONG-TERM, VERY INTERESTING WAY OF HELPING FAMILIES FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OFF THE STREET. I WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED. I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. IF I WON THE LOTTERY TOMORROW, SOME OF MY MONEY WILL BE GO TO SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE FEDERAL MONEY, YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW FEDERAL GUIDELINES. THEY CHOSE TO MAKE THE DECISION NOT TO TAKE IT. THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO WITH THAT. WE HAVE TO JUST HONOR THE DECISION OF THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WITH AT THAT DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS? >> NO, MAYOR. >> I'LL NEED THE MOTION FOR CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS NUMBER 1-6. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 7, CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE. [7. ORDINANCE NO. CS-447 - MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE] >> THIS IS A SECOND MEETING FOR THE ORDINANCE CS447. IT'S AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, RENEWING THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT'S MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE POLICY. >> MOTION, PLEASE. >> YES. MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCES RECITED BY MR. KEMP. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 8, CITY MANAGER? [8. FISCAL YEAR 2023-24 HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN FUNDING PLAN AND ANNUAL ACTION PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM ] >> YES. ITEM 8 IS THE FISCAL YEAR '23, '24 HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN, FUNDING PLAN, AND ANNUAL ACTION PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM. MAKING OUR PRESENTATION AS OUR HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR, MANDY MILLS, ALONG WITH OUR SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER, NICOLE PIANO-JONES, AND OUR HOMELESS SERVICES MANAGER, CHRIS SCHILLING. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. I'M MANDY MILLS, DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES. TONIGHT WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE FUNDING PLAN BOTH FOR THEIR HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, PRESENTING WITH ME TONIGHT ARE CHRIS SCHILLING, THE HOMELESS SERVICES MANAGER, AND NICOLE PIANO JONES, SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER. CAPTAIN JEFFREY SMITH IS ALSO PRESENT IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM. THIS IS A TWO-PART PRESENTATION. FIRST, WE WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2023, '24 HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN, FUNDING PLAN. ON FEBRUARY 7TH, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES THE STRATEGIES, INITIATIVES, AND TASKS TO DIRECT THE CITIES WORK ON HOMELESSNESS. STAFF IS PRESENTING THE FUNDING PLAN BASED ON THESE APPROVED ACTIVITIES FOR IMPLEMENTATION IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, STAFF HAS TAKEN EXISTING AND NEW FUNDING SOURCES INTO CONSIDERATION TO CREATE THIS YEAR'S FUNDING PLAN. INTENTIONAL EFFORTS WERE MADE TO UTILIZE THE MOST APPROPRIATE FUNDING SOURCES FOR EACH ACTIVITY. THEN THE SECOND PART, WE WILL DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THAT ACRONYM, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO CALL IT CDBG. IT'S A MOUTHFUL, SO WE WILL PROBABLY REFER TO CDBG FROM NOW ON. THE REASON WE ARE PRESENTING THESE TWO ITEMS TOGETHER IS BECAUSE THE CDBG FUNDING FOR PUBLIC SERVICES IS AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE FUNDING PLAN FOR HOMELESS SERVICES. THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN IS BASED ON THE CITY COUNCIL GOAL TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS. IT'S SHOWN HERE. THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS ESTABLISHED IN MARCH OF 2021. AT THAT TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL CREATED A WORK PLAN AND APPROPRIATED FUNDS TO IMPLEMENT THE FIRST YEAR OF THE WORK PLAN. A DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED THAT WOULD COMBINE THE EFFORTS OF BOTH HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES. THEN WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE FIVE-YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN IN 2022, IT INCLUDED AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE GOAL LANGUAGE. THE STRATEGIC PLAN ALSO PROVIDED STAFF DIRECTION TO UPDATE THE CITY'S HOMELESS RESPONSE PLAN. [00:55:04] IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE UPDATED PLAN, WHICH WE NOW CALL THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN, WHICH INCLUDE STRATEGIES AND INITIATIVES FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE PLANS, CITY STAFF HAS RECEIVED AWARD NOTIFICATIONS OF TWO ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT THE CITY CAN USE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES INCLUDED IN THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN. THE KEY AREAS OF FOCUS OF THE PLAN ARE PROVIDING SHELTER AND HOUSING, OUTREACH AND ACCESS TO SERVICES, AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THE FUNDING PLAN ADDRESSES THE THREE AREAS OF FOCUS WITH SERVICES AND ACTIVITIES. OUR STAFF REPORTS OUT MORE DATA PIECES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND HAVE BEEN THROUGH QUARTERLY REPORTS. BUT THE SCREEN HERE HIGHLIGHTS JUST SOME OF THE STATISTICS OF WHAT THE SERVICES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE. THESE HIGHLIGHTS ARE FROM THAT FIRST YEAR OF THAT WORK PLAN, WHICH WAS FISCAL YEAR 2021, '22. SOME OF THE THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE URBAN CORE CONTRACT PROVIDED TRASH CLEANUP THREE DAYS A WEEK, AND 50 ENCAMPMENT CLEAN-UPS. THE POLICE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM CONDUCTED OVER 7,400 CALLS FOR SERVICE. HAVING THAT DEDICATED HOT TEAM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK ALLOWS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO RESPOND QUICKLY TO CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC, AS WELL AS MAKE POLICE INITIATED CALLS, SO PROACTIVE CALLS FOR SERVICES SUCH AS PARK PATROLS. IN THAT FIRST YEAR, APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE, WE'RE PROACTIVE CALLS. THE SERVICES ALSO PROVIDED TEMPORARY SHELTERS SUCH AS MOTEL STAYS OR SHELTER PLACEMENTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 200 HOUSEHOLDS. A SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT IN THAT FIRST YEAR WAS PLACING 62 INDIVIDUALS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING. THE FUNDING PLAN IS A NEW CONCEPT WE INTRODUCED WITH THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS SCHILLING TO INTRODUCE THE FUNDING PLAN. >> THANK YOU. BEFORE THE UPDATED HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN WAS APPROVED, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A STREAMLINED PROCESS TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR HOMELESSNESS RELATED ACTIVITIES AND FUNDING SOURCES. NOW WITH THE HOMELESS ACTION PLAN AS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT, WE CAN IDENTIFY ALL SERVICES IN ONE CONSOLIDATED FUNDING PLAN. THIS ALLOWS STAFF TO MORE EASILY IDENTIFY GAPS, DUPLICATION, OR ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCES. THE FUNDING PLAN DETERMINES THE MOST APPROPRIATE FUNDING SOURCE FOR EACH ACTIVITY TO ENSURE THE MOST EFFECTIVE USE OF FUNDING AND MAXIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE HOMELESS ACTION PLAN. THIS YEAR WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DEVIATION FROM WHAT A TYPICAL YEAR WILL LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN WAS IMPROVED IN FEBRUARY. MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL PRESENT THE FUNDING PLAN IN THE FALL ALONG WITH THE ANNUAL FISCAL YEAR DATA. IN THE SPRING, THE FUNDING PLAN WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S ANNUAL BUDGET. THEN IN THE SUMMER WE WILL PROVIDE A SIX MONTH UPDATE OF OUR PROGRESS YEAR-TO-DATE. PREVIOUSLY, THE CITY HAS FUNDED HOMELESSNESS ACTIVITIES THROUGH THREE FUNDING SOURCES, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, INCLUDING CDBG, THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, AND THE GENERAL FUND. THE CITY USES GENERAL FUNDS FOR ACTIVITIES NOT ELIGIBLE FOR OTHER SOURCES OR WHERE OTHER ELIGIBLE SOURCES ARE TOO RESTRICTIVE TO BE FEASIBLE FOR THE ACTIVITY. THIS YEAR'S HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN, FUNDING PLAN INCLUDES TWO NEW FUNDING SOURCES; THE PERMANENT LOCAL HOUSING ALLOCATION OR PLHA, WHICH WE ESTIMATE TO BE ABOUT $375,000 PER YEAR, AND A NEW HUD GRANT WHICH WILL BE ABOUT $468,000 PER YEAR. BOTH OF THESE NEW FUNDING SOURCES ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THESE CHARTS PROVIDE A VISUAL BREAKDOWN OF THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET BY FUNDING SOURCE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GENERAL FUND SPENDING IS DECREASING YEAR OVER YEAR, AND THE NEW FUNDING SOURCES JUST DESCRIBED HAVE BEEN ADDED. OVERALL, GENERAL FUND SPENDING IS DECREASING BY $123,478 FROM THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. THE TOTAL FUNDING PLAN RECOMMENDED FOR FY23, '24 PROVIDES FUNDING AND THE AMOUNT OF ABOUT $5 MILLION. THE MAJORITY OF THESE NEW FUNDS ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S BASELINE BUDGET. THIS CHART ALSO GIVES A BREAKDOWN OF ALLOCATION OF FUNDING BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL FUNDING BY ACTIVITY. THE CHART HERE, GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE CHANGES IN [01:00:01] EXPENDITURES BY CATEGORY BETWEEN FY22, '23, AND FY23, '24, THE LARGEST AREAS OF INCREASE OR IN HOUSING ASSISTANCE, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM. THE NEW HUD GRANT LEVERAGING OUR CURRENT RAPIDLY HOUSING CONTRACT ACCOUNTS FOR MOST OF THE INCREASE IN THE HOUSING ASSISTANCE CATEGORY. THIS CHART GIVES A VISUAL BREAKDOWN OF THE DIRECT SERVICES BUDGET BY FUNDING SOURCE WITHOUT THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE IS A DECREASE OF $373,217 IN GENERAL FUND SPENDING FOR DIRECT SERVICES. OVER 50% OF THE DIRECT SERVICES FUNDING IN FY23, '24 WILL BE PROVIDED BY SOURCES OTHER THAN THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. THE PIE CHART SEEN HERE BREAKS DOWN FUNDING ALLOCATION TYPES BY DIRECT SERVICES. AS YOU CAN SEE, HOUSING ASSISTANCE IS THE LARGEST FUNDING CATEGORY, MAKING UP 50% OF THE TOTAL, FOLLOWED BY SHELTER AND THEN OTHER SUPPORT SERVICES. IN TOTAL, ABOUT 69% OF THE DIRECT SERVICES FUNDING IS GOING FOR SAFE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO SLEEP AND LIVE. IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED FUNDING PLAN DOES THREE THINGS. IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO CONTINUE WHAT'S WORKING IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL GOAL. IT FOCUSES ON FILLING GAPS AND PUTTING RESOURCES WHERE THEY HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT. IT IMPLEMENTS NEW FUNDING SOURCES, EXPANDING DIRECT SERVICES TO COMBAT HOMELESSNESS AT LESS COST TO THE CITY. STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK ON THE FUNDING PLAN. IT WILL THEN BE INCLUDED FOR CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET ON MAY 23RD. STAFF WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO WORK TO IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR GRANT FUNDING AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. I WILL NOW TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER, NICOLE PIANO-JONES. >> LET SEE IF THIS MICROPHONE WORKS. GOOD. JUMPING INTO THE CDBG FUNDING SIDE OF THE PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM AND TIMELINE BEFORE DISCUSSING THE FISCAL YEAR 2023, '24 FUNDING AND ANNUAL ACTION PLAN. CARLSBAD IS AN ENTITLEMENT GRANTEE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE CITY RECEIVES AN ANNUAL GRANT DIRECTLY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE CDBG PROGRAM WAS DEVELOPED TO ASSIST LOCAL COMMUNITIES PROVIDE DECENT HOUSING, SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENTS, AND EXPAND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS. IN JANUARY OF 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FIVE-YEAR CONSOLIDATED ACTION PLAN FOR THE CDBG PROGRAM, WHICH CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING SIX PRIORITIES WHICH ARE LISTED HERE. >> THEN TOUCHING BRIEFLY ON HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. BACK IN JANUARY OF 2023, STAFF PRESENTED THE FISCAL YEAR 23-24 FUNDING PLAN AT CITY COUNCIL. FOLLOWING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, APPLICATIONS WERE AVAILABLE FOR A PERIOD OF SIX WEEKS, RESULTING IN EIGHT APPLICATIONS RECEIVED. THOSE APPLICATIONS WERE EVALUATED AND PRESENTED TO THE CDBG ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON MARCH 30TH, 2023, FOLLOWED BY THE DRAFT ACTION, FISCAL YEAR 2023-24 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH DID INCLUDE THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE CDBG COMMITTEE AS WELL AS STAFF AND MADE AVAILABLE FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT PERIOD, CONCLUDING WITH A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING. THE FISCAL YEAR 2023-24 FUNDING FOR THE CDBG PROGRAM WILL BE A TOTAL OF $545,490, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN INCREASE FROM THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED BACK IN JANUARY. OF THE TOTAL AWARD, A LITTLE OVER 81,000 IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES, A LITTLE OVER 109,000 AVAILABLE FOR ADMINISTRATION AND FAIR HOUSING, AND APPROXIMATELY 354,000 AVAILABLE IN THE HOUSING AND FACILITIES CATEGORY. MOVING NOW TO THE FUNDING CATEGORIES, WE'LL START WITH PUBLIC SERVICES. THE CDBG PROGRAM DOES PLACE LIMITS ON THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AT 15% OF THE ANNUAL GRANT. THE CITY DID RECEIVE SIX PUBLIC SERVICE APPLICATIONS TOTALING JUST OVER 204,000 THIS YEAR, WHICH DID EXCEED THE AVAILABLE AMOUNT BY ABOUT 122,000. ON MARCH 30TH, 2023, THE CDBG ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET TO CONSIDER THESE REQUESTS. IT WAS AT THAT MEETING THAT STAFF PRESENTED FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMITTEE, WHICH INCLUDED USING OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO FUND ALL [01:05:05] OF THE ORGANIZATIONS IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN SERVICES AT FUNDING LEVELS FOR EACH. THE CDBG ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS CHARGED WITH MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON CDBG FUNDING ONLY AND WAS NOT PRESENTED WITH THE OVERALL HOMELESSNESS ACTION FUNDING PLAN. THE CONSENSUS AMONG THE COMMITTEE WAS TO DISTRIBUTE THE CDBG FUNDING TO ALL OF THE APPLICANTS, DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY OF AGENCIES BEING OTHERWISE FUNDED. BOTH THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE INCLUDED AS FUNDING OPTIONS IN THE DRAFT FISCAL YEAR 2023-24 ACTION PLAN, WHICH THAT FUNDING OPTION TABLE IS FOUND IN EXHIBIT 3, PAGE 43 OF THE AGENDA REPORT. GIVEN THE LIMITED CDBG FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS INVOLVED BOTH FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS, CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS FUNDING FEWER SERVICE CONTRACTS, BUT IN HIGHER AMOUNTS RATHER THAN SPREAD THE LIMITED CDBG FUNDING TO ALL. THE TWO APPLICANTS RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING THIS YEAR WITH CDBG ARE COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER AND INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES, BOTH OF WHICH ARE PROVIDING EMERGENCY HOUSING ASSISTANCE IN CASE MANAGEMENT FOR THOSE AT RISK OF HOMELESSNESS. THESE ACTIVITIES ARE ESSENTIAL PROVINCIAL COMPONENTS, SO THE CITY'S HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN AND ARE A HIGH PRIORITY IN THE CDBG CONSOLIDATED PLAN. ADDITIONALLY, THIS ACTIVITY IS WELL SUITED FOR CDBG REPORTING AS THE CLIENT SCREENING PROCESS FOR EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE IS ALREADY THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE REQUIRE FOR CDBG. ALL APPLICANTS ARE BEING RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING WITH OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, SUCH AS THE CITY'S HOUSING TRUST FUND AND PERMANENT LOCAL HOUSING ALLOCATION, AS WAS DISCUSSED BY MY COLLEAGUES EARLIER IN THEIR PRESENTATION. THE ONE EXCEPTION IS MEALS ON WHEELS, WHICH ALTHOUGH IS AN ESTEEMED ORGANIZATION AND PROVIDES A VALUABLE SERVICE TO THE LOW INCOME SENIORS, IT IS NOT A SERVICE IDENTIFIED IN THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN AND IT IS NOT A SERVICE WITH A HIGH PRIORITY IN THE CDBG CONSOLIDATED PLAN. HOWEVER, MEALS ON WHEELS IS STILL BEING RECOMMENDED TO RECEIVE CDBG FUNDING AS A CONTINGENCY MEASURE WHICH I'LL DISCUSS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES. MOVING TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND FAIR HOUSING CATEGORY, AGAIN, THE FUNDING HERE IN THIS CATEGORY IS LIMITED TO 20% OF THE ANNUAL GRANT. THE CITY RECEIVED TWO APPLICATIONS FROM FAIR HOUSING SERVICE PROVIDERS, TOTALING 48,000. THOSE TWO APPLICATIONS WERE FROM CSA SAN DIEGO COUNTY AND [NOISE] LEGAL AID SOCIETY OF SAN DIEGO, WHO IS THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR. BASED ON THE LIMITED RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR FAIR HOUSING SERVICES, CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS FUNDING THE REQUESTS BY LEGAL AID SOCIETY. THIS RECOMMENDATION IS BASED UPON THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE PROVIDER, FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND OVERALL SATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE. IN ADDITION, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND SPLITTING THE LIMITED FUND, THAT'S FUNDING AVAILABLE BETWEEN PROVIDERS, AS THIS WILL REDUCE CAPACITY TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS REQUIRES ADDITIONAL COORDINATION AND GENERATES ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE SUB RECIPIENTS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE HOUSING AND FACILITY IMPROVEMENT CATEGORY. THE CITY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OUTSIDE APPLICATIONS FOR THESE PROJECTS, SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 354,569 IS AVAILABLE AND RECOMMENDED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTIVITIES, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING RESALE PROGRAM [NOISE] AND TO ADDRESS REHABILITATION NEEDS WITH AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING. WE'D LIKE TO MAKE NOTE OF A COUPLE OF NEW MEASURES THAT WE INCORPORATED INTO THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN THIS YEAR. THE FIRST IS RELATED TO PROGRAM INCOME. SOME CDBG FUNDED ACTIVITIES GENERATE PROGRAM INCOME, WHICH ARE GRANT PROCEEDS THAT ARE RETURNED TO THE CITY. PROGRAM INCOME HAS THE SAME FUNDING LIMITATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS AS DOES THE ORIGINAL ENTITLEMENT GRANT WITH THE MAXIMUM AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION. HISTORICALLY, OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 438,000 EACH YEAR OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN PROGRAM INCOME. BASED ON THE HISTORIC AVERAGES AS WELL AS THE PROJECTED SALES WITHIN THE AFFORDABLE RESALE PROGRAM, STAFF DOES ANTICIPATE WE'LL BE RECEIVING ABOUT THIS MUCH IF NOT MORE IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR. AS A PROACTIVE MEASURE AND TO ENSURE THE TIMELY EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS ALLOCATING THE FUTURE PROGRAM INCOME AT [01:10:04] THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR WITH THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, RATHER THAN WAIT UNTIL THE PROGRAM INCOME IS RECEIVED AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE ACTION PLAN LATER IN THE YEAR. STAFF HAS PREPARED A LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS TO BE FUNDED WITH THE PROGRAM INCOME UP TO THE 15% FOR PUBLIC SERVICES BEGINNING WITH MEALS ON WHEELS UP TO THE REQUESTED AMOUNT OF 10,000 AND FOLLOWED BY THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. THEN UP TO 20 PERCENT FOR ADMINISTRATION AND FAIR HOUSING AND THE REMAINING PROGRAM INCOME ALLOCATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTIVITIES. LASTLY, ANOTHER ADDITIONAL MEASURE WE TOOK WAS TO INCLUDE BACKUP PROJECTS IN THE FISCAL YEAR ACTION PLAN. BACKUP PROJECTS ARE ONLY TO BE CONSIDERED IF FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE AND ARE FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS CDBG ELIGIBLE, MEETING AT LEAST ONE CONSOLIDATED PLAN PRIORITY AND READY TO FUND AND LIKELY TO BE COMPLETE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. FOR FISCAL YEAR 23-24, STAFF RECOMMENDS FUNDING CITY-WIDE PROJECTS THAT WOULD BRING CITY FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AS BACKUP PROJECTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION IN EXHIBIT 1, APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAR 2023-24 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN SHOWN IN ATTACHMENT A OF THAT RESOLUTION AND AUTHORIZE THE SUBMISSION OF THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN TO HUD. NEXT STEPS ARE TO SUBMIT THAT ANNUAL ACTION PLAN BEFORE THE DEADLINE, EXECUTE FUNDING AGREEMENTS WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS, AND RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL AT A FUTURE DATE TO CONSIDER TRANSFERRING THE FUNDING REVIEW DUTIES FROM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION. THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE CALL SPEAKERS. >> GLENN BERNARD, FOLLOWED BY TRACY CARMICHAEL. >> HOMELESSNESS. >> SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER TONIGHT, SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM UP THERE IS GETTING A SALARY OF $452,000 A YEAR. SEEMS SO IRONIC TO BE DISCUSSING HOMELESSNESS WITH SOMEBODY PULLING A STUNT LIKE THAT. IT'S DISGUSTING. LAST WEEK I ATTENDED SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS AT MIRACOSTA COLLEGE. THERE WERE FOUR CONGRESSMAN, INCLUDING OURS. THREE MORE NICE LADY FROM ORANGE COUNTY, A REPUBLICAN LADY. THERE WERE FIVE PEOPLE SITTING HERE. SURPRISE THERE'S NOT 30 PEOPLE SITTING HERE. A LITTLE BIT OF A OVER-HIRING AT THIS PLACE AND MANAGEMENT. THE FIVE PEOPLE SITTING HERE IN FRONT OF THE CONGRESSMEN AT MIRACOSTA LAST WEEK, THEY WERE HIGHLY PAID BUREAUCRATS AND THESE PEOPLE 11, HAD THE AUDACITY TO CALL THEM WITNESSES. EACH TIME SOMEBODY GOT A QUESTION AND BY THE WAY, THIS WAS MILITARY HOMELESSNESS AND I WENT THERE IN MY CAPACITY AS SOMEBODY CONNECTED WITH MILITARY VOTES MATTER.ORG. A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE MILITARY AND THEY HAVE EDUCATIONAL BENEFITS, THEY CAN'T USE, THEY CAN'T SLEEP, HOW CAN YOU GO TO COLLEGE? ONE OF THE BUREAUCRATS, AND I ESTIMATE THAT THE FIVE OF THEM COLLECTIVELY HAD SALARIES TOTALING TWO MILLION DOLLARS, GRABBED A HOLD OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE VA, THE BIG SHOT DIRECTOR DOWN THERE. I ALSO CALLED THE REPUBLICAN LADY, I SPOKE WITH HER, AND SOME PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE. THOSE HORRIBLE STATE UNIVERSITIES, WHETHER IT STARTS WITH UC OR CSU, JUST 10% OF THE DORMS DEDICATED TO HOMELESS PEOPLE, STARTING RIGHT NOW. AT THE FRONT OF THAT LINE, COULD BE MILITARY PEOPLE LIVING AT THE PLACE WHERE THEY COULD USE THEIR EDUCATIONAL BENEFITS FREQUENTLY CALLED GI BILL. THE DIRECTOR OF THE VA SEEMED LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A GOOD IDEA AND THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS LADY, YOUNG KIM FROM ORANGE COUNTY, SHE INDICATED SHE LIKED THAT A LOT TOO. [01:15:03] OF COURSE, PEOPLE CONNECTED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DON'T RUN NEWSOMS, SOCIALIST UNIVERSITIES. BUT THOSE PLACES STINK. BUT LET'S GET SOME HOMELESSNESS, 10% OF ALL THOSE DORMS, HOMELESS, PUT MILITARY PEOPLE AT THE FRONT OF THAT LINE. THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? [NOISE] GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TRACY CARMICHAEL. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FIRST FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING IN CARLSBAD. I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB. I TAKE THE CALLS ON THE BACKEND ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN SOMETIMES THE HOMELESS TEAM ISN'T WORKING. I'M A RESIDENT OF 35 PLUS YEARS. I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M HERE TO VOICE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PLAN. NUMBER 1, THIS PLAN DOES NOT MENTION OR IDENTIFY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO THE PLAN IS DESIGNED TO HELP. NUMBER 2, THE PLAN DID NOT MENTION THE COUNCIL'S ADOPTION OF THE POLICY OR RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE HOUSING FIRST MODEL. NUMBER 3, THE PLAN IS COMMINGLED WITH THE HOMELESS FUNDING PLAN AND THE OVERALL HOUSING SERVICES. IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF A SHELL GAME. WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING, TO WHO, WHY, AND WHAT IS THE IMPLIED IMPACTS? NOW REMEMBER, IN THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S THE IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS PART OF YOUR OVERALL MISSION. THE PLAN DID NOT MENTION ANY SPECIFICS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PLANS FOR SELF-REHABILITATION OR SELF-SUFFICIENCY. HOUSING CAN SECRETLY HARM AND HURT PEOPLE. THIS PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE SUBCONTRACTORS OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS. THIS PLAN DID NOT DISCOUNT OR DOES NOT DISCUSS OR THE IMPACTS TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE MENTAL HEALTH, THE PERSONAL, THE PROPERTY, THE PUBLIC HEALTH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY INCIDENCES, THE BUSINESS LOSSES, THE CRIMINAL INCIDENCES, THE HOMICIDE, THE VIOLENT THREATS TO THE PUBLIC, THE ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION AND SAFETY, THE FIRE SAFETY, THE WATER AND AIR QUALITY. THIS PLAN DID NOT INCLUDE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS. NEVER DID WE EVER SIT DOWN WITH CITY STAFF FROM THE COMMUNITY AND TALK ABOUT, WHAT ARE WE SEEING ON OUR END? THE FINANCIAL COSTS ARE CONTINUING TO EXPONENTIALLY GROW AS STAFF IS REQUESTING TODAY, OVER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. IN CLOSING WITHOUT AN IDENTIFIABLE STARTING POINT. WILL YOU DETERMINE THE QUANTITATIVE MEASURES OF SUCCESS AND HOW WILL YOU DETERMINE WHETHER YOU WILL MEET YOUR GOAL OF REDUCING HOMELESSNESS? I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE US, THE COMMUNITY, AND NOT EXCLUDE US FROM PARTICIPATING. WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION AND NOT JUST A VOICE OF OPPOSITION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> SOCORRO ANDERSON, FOLLOWED BY AMALEA ROMERO. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. I REALLY LIKE TO THANK YOU BECAUSE I WAS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR LA POSADA GUADALUPE FOR 20 YEARS, AND 42% OF THE RESIDENTS AT LA POSADA WERE SUCCESSFUL. THAT'S ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, I DID READ THE 48 PAGE REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO CONSOLE ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS ASKING OR NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON IS THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IS A REQUIREMENT FOR CDBG FUNDING AND ACCORDING TO THE PAGE 12 OF THAT REPORT, IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT COMBINING IT WITH HOUSING COMMISSION. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHERE EXACTLY IS THE CITIZENS PARTICIPATION WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR FUNDING THE CDBG? [01:20:06] HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMALEA ROMERO. I AM THE SENIOR ATTORNEY WITH THEIR HOUSING CENTER AT LEGAL AID SOCIETY OF SAN DIEGO. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROPOSAL TO ALLOW US WITH CDBG FUNDING, WHICH IS SUPER VALUABLE FOR US TO CONTINUE OUR FAIR HOUSING WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED IN THE PAST TO CONDUCT. I JUST WANT TO SHED LIGHT A LITTLE BIT ON THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THAT MEANS. WITH THAT FUNDING, WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY MEANINGFULLY INVESTIGATE ALLEGATIONS OF HOUSING DISCRIMINATION COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY IN CARLSBAD, AND THAT CAN RESULT IN A VERY BROAD RANGE OF LEGAL SERVICES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE REGARDLESS OF INCOME LEVEL, THOUGH PRIMARILY IT DOES GO TO MOST OF OUR CLIENTS ARE LOW TO VERY LOW-INCOME. BUT THAT RANGE OF LEGAL SERVICES CAN INCLUDE LEGAL ADVICE ON A PERSON'S SITUATION, IT CAN INCLUDE NEGOTIATION ON THEIR BEHALF WITH THE HOUSING PROVIDER TO RESOLVE FAIR HOUSING CLAIMS, AND IT CAN BE FULL SCOPE REPRESENTATION IN LITIGATION. WE HAVE ONGOING LAWSUITS IN FEDERAL AND STATE COURT RIGHT NOW AND WE ALSO PROVIDE THAT FULL SCOPE REPRESENTATION IN ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY COMPLAINTS WITH HUD OR THE CALIFORNIA CIVIL RIGHTS DEPARTMENT, WHICH ARE THE AGENCIES CHARGED WITH INVESTIGATING HOUSING DISCRIMINATION ALLEGATIONS. IN ADDITION TO THOSE CLIENT-CENTERED SERVICES, WE'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY DOING A LOT OF OUTREACH AND EDUCATION EFFORTS, WE HOST MONTHLY PUBLIC SEMINARS FOR TENANTS, HOMEOWNERS, LANDLORDS, HOUSING PROVIDERS, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. WE HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE CONTACTED OFTEN TO PROVIDE THOSE TRAININGS ON FAIR HOUSING. IN ADDITION, WE ALSO PROVIDE TRAINING AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO CITY STAFF AS WELL. FINALLY, WE ALSO DO THE PRETTY EXTENSIVE TESTING PROGRAM, WHICH IS LIKE A SECRET SHOPPER TO DETECT DISCRIMINATION THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE GO UNDETECTED. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JOEL CHARON, WHO IS REPRESENTING A GROUP C20. INCLUDED IN THAT GROUP TONIGHT IS TOMORROW DIXON, KELLY LIEBERTHAL, MIKE BORRELLO. >> HI, I'M JOE SCALING. I WAS HOMELESS FOR 15 YEARS, 12 OF WHICH I USED METHAMPHETAMINE AND FOR AWHILE I WAS SELLING IT AND JUST BEING A COMPLETE CRAZY PERSON. BUT AFTER AWHILE, I MET MY WIFE VICTORIA AND SHE TOLD ME THAT I NEED TO GET OFF DRUGS. I SAID, I COULD DO THAT AND SHE WAS, I'M PREGNANT, AND I SAID, "I WANT TO GET OFF DRUGS, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO." AFTER A FEW DAYS, I STILL KEPT DOING DRUGS. SHE SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET AN ABORTION IF YOU DON'T QUIT AND I SAID THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. IT TOOK AN ULTIMATUM THAT CRAZY TO MAKE ME STOP USING AMPHETAMINE. EVEN WITH MY FAMILY NOW, WE JUST STOPPED LIVING IN HOTELS AND WE HAVE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO CRC. THEY SAID THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING IN-BETWEEN FAMILY. I SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU GUYS MEAN BY THAT? IN-BETWEEN FAMILY, MY WIFE'S WORKING AND I'M OFF PAROLE SOBER NOW. THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU DO NEED ASSISTANCE, YOU DO NEED HELP BUT YOUR WIFE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY IN ORDER TO RECEIVE ASSISTANCE FROM US. IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO SEE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF THESE BILLS OR ANYTHING. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT PUTTING SOMEONE ON THE STREET, TAKING THEM FROM USING METH IN A BUSH OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE DOING, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE ME USING METH AND THEN YOU PUT ME IN A HOUSE, I'M JUST GOING TO BE USING METH INSIDE OF A HOUSE. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION THAT I WILL BE GETTING HIGH IN. MY WIFE AND I, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT A HOMELESS TO HOUSE INTEGRATION WOULD LOOK LIKE. BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T. WHEN I WAS HOMELESS, I WAS A FERAL HUMAN BASICALLY, [01:25:02] AND I HAD TO GET RETAUGHT HOW TO LIVE IN A HOUSE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING HOUSED ARE NOT EVEN IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS TO BE ABLE TO BE HOUSED. THERE'S LAUNDRY, THERE'S DISHES, THERE'S CLEANING YOUR FLOOR, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO IN ORDER TO BE HOUSED. IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THEN YOU CAN'T BE HOUSED SUCCESSFULLY. I DIDN'T KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE. IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO ME MANY YEARS AGO AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, BUT I WANT TO USE METHYL. THEN WHEN I STOPPED FOR A WHILE, I TRIED TO GET BACK IN AND THEN THEY SAID THAT I WAS USING MARIJUANA, WHICH I WAS AND THEY STILL DIDN'T LET ME IN AND ALL I HAD DO IS MAKE A CHOICE TO BE LIKE, NO, I DON'T WANT TO USE, I'M GOING TO GO NOT BE HOMELESS ANYMORE AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS EASY, BUT NOT BEING HOMELESS ANYMORE, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY HARD AND I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HELP. I'VE FILLED OUT MULTIPLE PACKETS FROM PEOPLE AND NOTHING HAS EVER COME OF IT. MY PHONE NUMBER IS ON ALL OF THEM, MY WIFE'S PHONE NUMBER IS ON ALL OF THEM AND NO ONE EVER CALLED US BACK AND I'M GUESSING IT HAS TO DO WITH HER. SHE'S A MANAGER AT SUBWAY, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HER INCOME IS AFFECTING ANYTHING AND OUR FAMILIES STILL NEEDS HELP. MY SISTER SHE BOUGHT THE CONDO I LIVE IN. SHE BOUGHT IT, SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO BE HOMELESS BECAUSE IN THE MARKET NOW, YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE. WE HAD A VOUCHER FOR 2,100, I BELIEVE. WE HAD THREE MONTHS TO FIND A PLACE, BUT IN THAT TIME, THERE WAS NO PLACE BECAUSE IT WAS RIGHT AFTER COVID AND THE ONE PLACE I LIVED AT BEFORE IT WAS 1875. BUT THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS UP TO LIKE 22 SOMETHING AND OUR VOUCHER WAS BELOW ANYTHING EVEN THE LOWEST. WE COULD HAVE LIVED IN SOME AREAS, BUT I'D PREFER NOT TO LIVE IN GANGLAND AND DRUG LAND, ESPECIALLY BEING CLEAN. WE LIVE IN LOW MONTANIA OR LOW MONTANA BY THE ETERNAL HILLS AND THAT'S A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE, AND IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT MY SISTER CHOSE FOR US. BUT WITHOUT HER, WE'D STILL BE LIVING IN HOTELS. IT'S HARD TO LIVE IN HOTELS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ABOUT $3,000 A MONTH WHEN I KNOW THAT WE DON'T MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY. I WAS LISTENING TO THE STUFF ABOUT SOLUTIONS FOR CHANGE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AMAZING PLACE FOR A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S SOMEPLACE IN OCEAN SIDE RIGHT NEXT TO THE OLD FOOD STAMP OFFICE AND THERE'S LAND THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IT WOULD COST TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE A HOMELESS TO HOUSE INTEGRATION. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BENEFIT PEOPLE BECAUSE ONE THING I DIDN'T HAVE WAS PEOPLE BEHIND ME SAYING, DUDE YOU CAN DO THIS? BECAUSE I CAN GET A JOB THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS TO LIFT PEOPLE UP AND SAY YOU CAN DO THIS. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU THAT TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN DO THIS. ACTUALLY YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND CALL THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND BE LIKE, I'M IN PROGRAM RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO LEAVE. I'M GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRAMS OUT THERE. I'VE BEEN TO MANY REHABS WHERE THEY WERE LIKE, GO FOR IT. YOU WANT TO LEAVE, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE HERE, THAT BED IS FOR SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO. IT'S HARD TO BE COMPASSIONATE WHEN IT'S DRAINED FROM YOU. IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THAT'LL WORK FOR THE BUDGET OF THE CITY AND FOR THE PEOPLE. I WAS READING THAT SIGN UP THERE AND SOMETIMES WHAT IS POPULAR FOR CARLSBAD IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT AND SOMETIMES WHAT'S RIGHT FOR IT'S NOT ALWAYS POPULAR. I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE ULTIMATUMS. I'M NOT SAYING CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE THAT'S INHUMANE. BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE CHOICE OF, WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM, THERE IS A WAITING LIST SO HERE'S YOUR PROOF THAT YOU'RE ON THE WAITING LIST, SO WHEN YOU GET STOPPED, OFFICER, HERE YOU GO. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, HAVE A GOOD DAY. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT, THEN YOU CAN'T GET SEARCHED, YOU CAN'T GET HOUSED, YOU CAN'T GET ROUSED OUT OF WHEREVER YOU ARE. [01:30:01] IT SOUNDS VERY GESTAPOWAY BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE PUTTING THEM JUST IN ANOTHER PLACE IS JUST NOT GOOD. MY FRIEND, NEMO FROM OCEAN SIDE, HE WAS HOUSED. EVERYONE CHEERED FOR HIM. HE WAS CRAZY ALCOHOLIC, JUST USING METH, WALKING AFTER PEOPLE DOWN THERE ON THE STRAND AND STUFF AND THEY PUT HIM INSIDE AND A WEEK LATER HE KILLED HIMSELF INSIDE OF HIS APARTMENT, ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS CITY PAID FOR BUT HE DID NOT ADDRESS ANY TYPE OF MENTAL HEALTH OR ANYTHING, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT SPACE. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM. THERE'S SO MANY TINY THINGS THAT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE CAMP, THEIR OWN LITTLE SPACE. I GOT A BUDDY STEVE. HE HAS HIS OWN CAMP, OWN SPACE, DOESN'T DRINK. HE MAY SMOKE POT EVERY NOW AND AGAIN. BUT I'VE TOLD HIM, YOU CAN GET INSIDE AND HE GOES, I JUST DON'T WANT TO. I'VE INVITED HIM TO MY HOUSE. SOMEONE CAME OVER TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE HOT TEAM AND HE WAS THERE AND HE GOT OFF THE COUCH AND WALKED INTO MY KITCHEN BY MY REFRIGERATOR AND JUST SQUATTED DOWN AND I'M LIKE, "DUDE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" HE'S LIKE, I'M OKAY, JAY, I'M OKAY. BUT SOMEONE CAME IN, HE HAD TO GO TO A TIGHTER SPACE. IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN HELP THESE PEOPLE TO NOT BE SO AFRAID OF PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING BEING HOMELESS IS ONE OF THE SCARIEST THINGS I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED. MY WIFE AND I RECENTLY WE HAD TO STAY ON THE STREETS WHERE MY TWO DAUGHTERS STAYED WITH MY PARENTS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR A HOTEL. WE DECIDED THAT STAYING AT THE HOT TEAM IN OCEAN SIDE WAS THE BEST SAFEST PLACE TO BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF A PLACE WHERE POLICE ARE. ANYWAY, LONG STORY SHORTER. THIS GUY CAME UP AND ASKED IF MY WIFE CAN HANG OUT WITH HIM FOR A LITTLE BIT. JUST HANG OUT JUST RIGHT OVER HERE. I WAS LIKE NO AND HE STARTED GETTING SHIFTY, STARTED REACHING FOR HIS HANDS AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS. SHE'S MOVING SIDE TO SIDE, SHOULDERS, HUNCHED BACK. WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE OUT OF HERE. IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET THEIR WAY OF LIFE OUT OF THEM BECAUSE I DID IT FOR 15 YEARS AND I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN. I'VE BEEN NOT ON THE STREETS FOR I THINK SIX MONTHS, SEVEN MONTHS. >> THANK YOU SIR, FOR SHARING THIS STORY WITH US. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR ADORABLE CHILDREN TOO. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD LUCK TO YOU. YEAH, THEY'RE ADORABLE UNTIL THEY MAKE THAT MUCH OF A MESS. [BACKGROUND] IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE FOR ONE MOMENT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FUN. >> DO YOU WANT TO TALK IN HERE? LIFT HER UP AND SAY HI. >> HI. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS. >> I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE PROPER THING TO DO, BUT HOW DO YOU SAY NO TO THAT ADORABLE CHILD? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. MS. LUNA ANY QUESTIONS? >> I WAS HOPING THAT STAFF MIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, BUT THAT MAYBE THEY CAN ANSWER SOME OTHER SPEAKERS QUESTIONS. >> DID YOU WRITE DOWN THE QUESTIONS? I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE WAS, WHAT WAS THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION. >> RIGHT. THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THIS CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. THERE'S THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT CITIZEN PARTICIPATION, WHICH THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS AN ADOPTED CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, AND THAT STARTS WITH THE FIVE-YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN, OF COURSE, WHICH WAS COMPLETED A FEW YEARS AGO AND THEN THAT CREATES THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE THEIR PRIORITIES, WHICH WE SHOWED YOU EARLIER. THEN FROM THOSE PRIORITIES EACH YEAR WE REAFFIRM IN A PUBLIC HEARING WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL STILL AFFIRM THAT THOSE ARE THE SAME PRIORITIES AND THAT IS DONE IN EARLY JANUARY AND THAT PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN [01:35:03] DECEMBER ADVERTISING THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING THAT DRAFT PLAN FORWARD. THEN WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JANUARY AND THAT INITIATED THE APPLICATION PERIODS SO THEN AFTER THE APPLICATION. APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED, WE ALSO HAD NOTICES FOR THE CDBG ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, AS WELL AS WHEN WE PRESENTED THE OVERALL FUNDING PLAN TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION. THEN WE DID ANOTHER PUBLIC NOTICE WHEN WE PUBLISH THE DRAFT PLAN, WHICH IS MADE AVAILABLE FOR 30 DAYS. THEN IT ALSO ADVERTISES THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT, WHICH WE'RE HERE NOW. THEN REGARDING THE FUNDING PLAN, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION, THIS IS AN OFFSHOOT OF THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY. THAT PLAN WAS THE RESULT OF A LOT OF PARTICIPATION FOR OVER A PERIOD OF PROBABLY A YEAR-AND-A-HALF, TWO YEARS. THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS OR PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHICH IS PRECEDES ALL OF OUR TIME HERE, BUT IT WAS MOSTLY IN 2021 AND THAT THERE WERE ALSO TOWN HALL MEETINGS. THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE, AND A LOT OF RESPONSES CAME FROM THAT. WE ALSO HAD STAKEHOLDER GROUPS SO WE HAD PEOPLE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS HAD FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS AS WELL. THEN OF COURSE, WE PRESENTED THE FUNDING PLAN, WE HAD IT TO OUR HOUSING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL AND GAVE NOTICE OF THOSE BACK IN THE FALL OF 2022. ONCE THAT PLAN WAS CREATED, THAT ACTUALLY LISTED THE SERVICES THAT WE WOULD BE PURSUING FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR THEY'RE ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN. THE FUNDING PLAN IS ONLY ATTACHING WHICH FUNDING SOURCE IS GOING TO PAY FOR WHICH ACTIVITY. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE PURSUING THAT WAS IN THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN. THERE ARE TWO NEW FUNDING SOURCES SO WE DID INCREASE ONE LEVEL, WHICH WAS THE RAPIDLY HOUSING BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE A NEW HUD GRANT FOR THAT. THAT DOES ADD TO THE LIST BECAUSE OF THE HUD FUNDING. THIS REALLY IS JUST ALLOCATING FUNDING TO THE SERVICES LISTED IN THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN. >> THEN AS FAR AS ANY METRICS, ARE THERE SOME IN THE PLAN? >> YES. THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN HAS A NUMBER OF DATA PIECES AS WELL AS WE PUBLISH ON OUR WEBSITE. WE HAVE THOSE QUARTERLY REPORTS WHICH WERE BEING PRESENTED. THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS BACK IN DECEMBER OF WHEN WE DID THE MOST RECENT ONE. >> THE CDBG SYSTEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE CONSOLIDATING THIS. YOU HAD DIFFERENT SATELLITES OUT HERE. WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS YOU'VE FOCUSED IT, PUT IT INTO ONE MATRIX IN ONE FORMAT, AND THEN TRYING TO SEE WHERE MAYBE THERE'S SOME VOIDS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO FILL BECAUSE IT WAS TOO FRAGMENTED THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE, BUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE GOALS OF WHAT THE CDBG FOLKS AND THEIR COMMITTEES HAVE DONE, AND YOU'RE NOT ELIMINATING CDBG COMMITTEE TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION. THEY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO MEET INDEPENDENTLY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT? >> WELL, THAT IS GOING TO BE IN ANOTHER ACTION ITEM AND WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. NOT TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT ITEM. WE ARE BECAUSE THE FUNDING PLAN INCLUDES OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT THE HOUSING COMMISSION ALSO ADVISES ON. BECAUSE THE HOUSING COMMISSION MAKES ADVISORY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL ON HOMELESS SERVICES, WE ARE INITIALLY RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE THE VIEWER OF THE WHOLE PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES THAT CDBG FUNDING. WE WILL BRING AN ITEM BACK FOR A DISCUSSION ON THAT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. >> ARE THERE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT SOUGHT YOU OUT AND WANTED TO RESPOND TO YOUR ACTIONS? >> WERE THERE IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING? >> WERE THERE AS YOU HAD YOUR PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS? >> FOR THE CDBG FUNDING NO, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK. >> OKAY THANK YOU. >> MY TIME. >> YES, PLEASE. [LAUGHTER] >> THANKS. I TOOK A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM THAT. MY THOUGHT PROCESS ABOUT THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FUNDING WAS MORE ALONG [01:40:03] THE LINES OF PUBLIC INPUT RELATIVE TO WHAT IS THIS $5 MILLION BUYING? WHAT IS OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT? IF YOU CAN PULL BACK THE SLIDE THAT IS SCOTT THE STATISTICS, 62 PEOPLE HOUSE, 50 URBAN CORE PULL UP CLEANUPS. THANK YOU. IF THE BUDGET WAS $4 MILLION LAST YEAR WHICH IT WAS, THAT SLIDE JUST WENT AWAY FROM ME. THERE IT IS. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S ABOUT 80 GRAND PER PERSON TRANSITIONED TO PERMANENT HOUSING AND THAT'S 80 GRAND OF TAXPAYER MONEY. IF YOU THINK ABOUT 50 ENCAMPMENT CLEANUPS, WE PAID URBAN CORPS $100,000 THAT'S $2,000 PER ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP. I THINK THAT'S MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE PUBLIC IS WONDERING OF WHERE IS THE MONEY BEING SPENT? IF YOU THINK ABOUT 2 MILLION, I GUESS YOU CAN GO TO THE PIE CHART. THERE'S A PIE CHART SOMEWHERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE BREAKOUT. IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THE NUMBERS ON THESE THINGS THEN I COULD JUST SAY GO ON PAGE WHATEVER. THAT ONE? >> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PAGES. >> IT'S NOT THAT ONE. IT'S I THINK THE ONE MAYBE IT HAD TWO PIE CHART. I THINK IT'S THAT ONE. >> THIS IS REGARDING DIRECT SERVICES. >> WHAT WAS THE ONE BEFORE THAT ONE? OKAY. IT'S NOT THAT ONE. IT'S THE PIE CHART ON DIRECT SERVICES FUNDING. IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE FUNDING, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT CHART. WHAT DOES THAT SHOW? THEN THE NEXT ONE, DIRECT SERVICES. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONE I'M THINKING ABOUT. THE BUDGET WHERE IT'S THE 995,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND THE WAY I READ THAT. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW. WHAT IS THAT BUYING? WE CAN SEE WHAT THE CDBG GRANT IS DOING AND THE HOUSING TRUST FUND, THE HUD GRANT AND THE PLHA GRANTS. BUT IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND VERY LITTLE OF IT IS GRANT FUNDING. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN THINKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROGRAM, WE PROVIDE SERVICES, WE DUPLICATE SERVICES THAT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO COULD DO THROUGH THEIR HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT. IF I HAVE FEEDBACK FOR STAFF, MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO COME BACK WITH WHAT CAN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO DO THAT WE ARE DOING HERE THAT IS HITTING OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET IN A WAY THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WANT TO HELP THESE FOLKS. I THINK AND I'VE SAID TO YOU MADDIE, I THINK YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB IN THE DEPARTMENT WITH THE LOWER MIDDLE INCOME FOLKS GETTING THEM PERMANENT HOUSING. BUT WHEN WE ARE IN THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE NOT SEEING AN IMPACT ON THE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS IT IS NOT HUMANE TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM TO STAY IN THEIR CYCLE AND WHAT IN THIS BUDGET REFLECTS WHERE THAT IS BEING MITIGATED. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW. WHEN SOMEONE ASK ABOUT WHAT'S THE MONEY BEING SPENT ON, IT'S NOT WHERE THE CDBG ALLOCATIONS ARE GOING. WE WANT TO SUPPORT BROTHER BERNARD WHEN I WAS IN HISOPADO SURE. ALL THAT'S GREAT BUT WHERE'S MY TAX DOLLAR GOING? THAT'S HOW I TOOK THE QUESTION, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT STORY THAT JOEL TOLD IS ALL TOO COMMON. THEY HAVE TWO TINY PRECIOUS LITTLE GIRLS. THANK GOD HE HAS TURNED HIS LIFE AROUND AND SOMEONE DID HAVE THAT BELIEF IN HIM. I KNOW THAT WE AS A CITY TRY TO DO THAT FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE. SORRY, THIS IS REALLY PASSIONATE FOR ME, I'M JUST GOING ON A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE FEEDBACK OF WHERE WE MIGHT WANT THE FUNDING FOCUSED FOR EXAMPLE, USING PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE ALREADY DEDICATED FROM THE COUNTY TO GIVE THESE SERVICES TO FOLKS. WE KNOW IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, IT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE IN CARLSBAD LIKE WITH WINDSOR POINT. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE THERE. I GUESS OVERALL THAT $2 MILLION FOR SERVICES, I THINK SHOULD BE CUT AND WE SHOULD USE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES PARTICULARLY AVAILABLE TO US THROUGH THE COUNTY. I THINK THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> MS. ACOSTA? >> YES. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE INFORMATION. I HAD SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK YOU TO ASK OF STAFF. SINCE WE'VE GOT THE SLIDE UP, I'LL ASK ON THIS ONE. CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THE GENERAL FUND SPENDING DECREASE? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH BUT ONE MORE TIME GO THROUGH IT [01:45:01] AGAIN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE AT THE CITY IN 2021 TOOK ON ADDITIONAL WORK TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS AND TO HELP SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE THE COUNTY WASN'T DOING IT. THAT IS A PROBLEM. IT'S UNFORTUNATE BUT WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL. WE WERE JUST GOING TO PONY UP AND HELP OUT WHERE WE COULD. IF WE COULD JUST TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE ABLE TO OFFSET SOME OF OUR GENERAL FUND COSTS HERE ONE MORE TIME WITH THE GRANTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING. THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT OBVIOUSLY IS THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THE ADDITION OF THE PLHA FUNDING WHICH WILL START ON JULY 1 FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THE DIFFERENCE IS ALMOST THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE FUNDS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY USED BY THE GENERAL FUND AND ALLOWS US TO NOW USE PLHA FOR THE SAME SERVICES. THEN THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE NON GENERAL FUND PORTION. WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT WE'RE SPENDING ON DIRECT SERVICES BECAUSE OF THAT ADDITIONAL GRANT FROM HUD FOR RAPIDLY HOUSING. THAT'S ABOUT $468,000 OF NEW MONEY AND IT'S ADDITIONAL MONEY, IT'S ON TOP OF WHAT WE ARE SPENDING CURRENTLY. >> OKAY. JUST TO REFRAME THIS, REPHRASE THIS WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO MORE AND SPEND LESS. >> LESS GENERAL FUND, CORRECT. >> FROM CITY OF CARLSBAD MONEY. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. THEN CAN WE TALK ABOUT PREVENTION FOR A MOMENT? I KNOW ON THAT INFOGRAPHIC SLIDE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT PLACING 62 PEOPLE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING. WE SOMETIMES DO THE MATH ON OUR OWN ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD EQUATE TO BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE PREVENTION ON THERE. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT PLAYS INTO THIS BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T PEOPLE WE TRANSITIONED TO PERMANENT HOUSING, THOSE ARE PEOPLE WE PREVENTED FROM BECOMING HOMELESS. HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO WHAT WE'RE SPENDING, HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING? I KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN. WE WANT TO HELP PEOPLE NOT BECOME HOMELESS, WHO ARE AT RISK OF BECOMING HOMELESS. HOW CAN WE CAPTURE THAT DATA AND SOMEHOW INCLUDE IT IN THIS SO THAT WE CAN ADJUST OUR CALCULATIONS PROPERLY? >> I'M PULLING UP THE SLIDE FOR THAT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMPONENT, WHICH IS EXHIBIT 2 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT SHOWS THE FUNDING PLAN BY THE FUNDING SOURCE. THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY SHOWS THE CDBG AND THE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING. I'M JUST POINTING THIS OUT BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW SERVICES THAT ARE OFTEN FOR PREVENTION. THESE ARE SOURCES AND THIS IS WHY WE ARE CONSOLIDATING THIS INTO ONE PLAN NOW, BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY, THE CDBG PROCESS WAS COMPLETELY SEPARATE. THE HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN WAS NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. WE USED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND REPORT OUT ON IT SEPARATELY. NOW WE'RE CONSIDERING IT AS A COMPONENT OF OUR HOMELESSNESS ACTION PLAN. THE SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, BROTHER BENNO AND WOMEN'S RESOURCE CENTER AND COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER, A LOT OF THAT FOR EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND PREVENTION IS NOW GOING TO BE A PART OF OUR HOMELESS INCEPTION PLAN AND FUNDED WITH A VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES. WHETHER IT'S CDBG OR GENERAL FUND OR PLHA, IT WILL BE ALL PART OF THE PLAN. WE WILL NOW BE REPORTING ALL THIS IN OUR TOTALS OF WHICH WE DID NOT IN THE PAST BECAUSE THE CDBG FUNDING WAS NOT REALLY PART OF THAT ACTION PLAN. >> GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT IS SOMETIMES A LITTLE HARD TO PIECE TOGETHER THIS SLIDE, THIS STORY WITH THE INFOGRAPHICS. IT'S CUT AND DRY, LIKE HERE'S A NUMBER AND HERE'S WHAT WE DID. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AMBIGUOUS TO TRY TO CAPTURE ON THE FRONT END. THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE HELPED PREVENT FROM CITING IT TO HOMELESSNESS. SOME WAY, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CAPTURE THAT NUMBER SO THAT WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT MY COLLEAGUE WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE SPEND AND THE RESULTS. BECAUSE THAT'S A RESULT TOO. BUT IT'S JUST NOT ON THE OTHER SLIDE. [LAUGHTER] >> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. THEN RELATED TO THIS, SINCE WE HAVE THIS ONE, THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION. WE CAN MOVE ALONG. BUT RELATED TO THIS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TONIGHT IN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND AS A COUNCIL ABOUT HOUSING AND THEN ABOUT SERVICES. I JUST WANT TO CONNECT THE TWO A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT SPECIFIC MODELS THAT PROVIDE HOUSING, [01:50:03] BUT WITH THAT COMES SERVICES. I KNOW THAT AT THIS COUNCIL, WHEN WE PUT OUR 2021 PLAN TOGETHER, WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT IF WE DO A VOUCHER OR SOMETHING, AND IT'S HERE ON THE SLIDE, WE ARE ALSO INCORPORATING SERVICES. I KNOW INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES DOES THAT AS WELL. NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE BECAUSE IT SAYS EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE, BUT WE CONNECT PEOPLE WITH SERVICES. WE DON'T PROVIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, REHAB, BUT WE CAN CONNECT PEOPLE WITH THOSE PROGRAMS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT SERVICES ARE PART OF THIS MODEL. COULD YOU JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ON THE SLIDE ABOUT WHAT OUR CASEWORKERS AND SOCIAL WORKERS DO. >> SURE. I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT IN SAYING CASE COORDINATION IS IN COORDINATION OF SERVICES IS A REAL CRITICAL PART OF OUR PLAN. A LOT OF THOSE SERVICES, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE CITY DOES NOT PROVIDE THEM, BUT COORDINATING THEM FOR THE NEEDS OF AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS WHAT THEY NEED TO MOVE ON TO GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. WE HAVE OUR SOCIAL WORKERS WHO ARE A CRITICAL PART OF THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM AND THEY CAN GO OUT WITH AN OFFICER OR THEY CAN GO OUT AND DO FOLLOW-UP CASE MANAGEMENT ON THEIR OWN. SOMETIMES IT TAKES MULTIPLE TIMES TO WORK WITH A CLIENT TO GET THE SERVICES THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF HOMELESSNESS. AS YOU SAW IN THE INFOGRAPHIC, THERE ARE 749 UNDUPLICATED CLIENTS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE SOCIAL WORKERS ONLY TALKED TO PEOPLE 749 TIMES. THERE WERE MULTIPLE TOUCH POINTS THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO OUT AND WORK WITH CLIENTS. COORDINATING THOSE SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR EMPLOYMENT AND BENEFITS SPECIALISTS THROUGH CRC, HELPING THEM IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR DISABILITY INCOME OR SOME TYPE OF A VA BENEFITS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THAT, DO THE PAPERWORK ON THE SPOT, REGISTER FOR THOSE SERVICES. SOMETIMES IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THEY NEED A COPY OF THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE OR A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR SOMETHING UNTIL THEY HAVE THAT PROOF AND HELPING THEM GET THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES HERE AND WE DO FUND THEM SEPARATELY AND WE HAVE THESE SEPARATE CONTRACTS, BUT IT'S THROUGH THE CASE MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS CASE CONFERENCING AND COORDINATION TO PULL IT ALTOGETHER THAT REALLY MAKES IT EXTRA AND MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE CLIENT. >> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW WE WERE TALKING THIS MORNING AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE ABOUT HOW EVERY COMMUNITY APPROACHES RESOLVING HOMELESSNESS IN THE COMMUNITY DIFFERENTLY. SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE A SAFE PARKING LOT OR SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE A BIG PHYSICAL BUILDING OR MAYBE CONVERTED A MOTEL OR SOMETHING. EVERY COMMUNITY NEEDS TO FIND WHAT'S RIGHT TO CUSTOMIZE THE SERVICES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A COMPLEX PROGRAM AND WE'RE GETTING GRANTS FROM DIFFERENT PLACES. I'M SUPER GRATEFUL TO OUR STAFF FOR PUTTING THAT ALTOGETHER FOR US AND HELPING EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND WE ALL HAVE OUR PERSPECTIVES AND BRING OUR PASSION AND OUR THOUGHTS AND PERSPECTIVES AND EXPERIENCES TO THE TABLE. WE RELY ON YOU ALL TO HELP GUIDE US WITH THESE COMPLEX PROCESSES AND FUNDING MODELS THAT ARE OUT THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. >> MS. BHAT-PATEL. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN DEFINITELY SOME COMMENTS. REALLY QUICKLY, I KNOW THROUGH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WE HAVE OF COURSE, THE CONTRACTED OUT SOCIAL WORKERS, BUT THEN WE ALSO, IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW WHERE THE COUNTY IS WITH REGARDS TO THAT NORTH COUNTY PILOT THAT THEY HAD PROVIDED SOCIAL WORKERS FOR, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? >> THROUGH THE NORTH COUNTY PILOT PROJECT, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO WAS PROVIDING NINE SOCIAL WORKERS TO WORK THROUGHOUT NORTH COUNTY. THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS ONE FULL-TIME SOCIAL WORKER. THEY'RE PART OF OUR CASE CONFERENCING AND REFERRAL PROCESS. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED TO THEM. THEN SEPARATELY THROUGH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, THE COUNTY HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE SERVICE PROVIDER CALLED PATH. THEY ALSO PROVIDE ONE SOCIAL WORKER WHO SPECIFIES AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. AS OUR SOCIAL WORKERS OR HOUSING NAVIGATOR ENCOUNTERS PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ENGAGE IN SERVICES AND HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, WE MAKE THAT REFERRAL TO THEM AND THEY'RE ALSO PART OF OUR CASE CONFERENCING PROCESS. [01:55:02] THOSE TWO FULL-TIME SOCIAL WORKERS ARE AVAILABLE. THE COUNTY ALSO MAKES AVAILABLE BENEFITS, ENROLLMENT SPECIALISTS. THEY'RE ABLE TO COME OUT AS NEEDED, BUT THEY ALSO COME OUT EVERY WEDNESDAY. THEY SET UP AT BASE AT OUR HARDING STREET OFFICES AND PEOPLE SET UP APPOINTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME OUT TO HARDING ON WEDNESDAYS, MEET WITH THE COUNTY, SIGN UP FOR GENERAL RELIEF AND OTHER BENEFITS PROGRAMS THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTERS THAT THEY MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT LATER. WHEN I GET TO THE COMMENTS PORTION I'LL KEEP IT TO QUESTIONS. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WRAP-AROUND SERVICES MEANS? I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS AND I THINK A FEW FOLKS IN HERE MIGHT KNOW, BUT JUST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHAT WRAP-AROUND SERVICES ARE AND HOW THESE ENTITIES TEND TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE GETTING THOSE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES. >> SURE. WHEN SOMEONE IS LIVING ON THE STREET OR WHEN THEY'RE IN HOUSING, WE TYPICALLY USE A MULTI-DISCIPLINARY TEAM MODEL. WE HAVE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND ENTITIES THAT HAVE SPECIALIZATION. FOR EXAMPLE, I TALKED ABOUT THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CONTRACTS. SOMEBODY HAS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THAT OUTREACH WORKER. BUT THEY ALSO MIGHT BE CONNECTED TO THE EMPLOYMENT AND BENEFITS SPECIALISTS THAT WE FUND THROUGH COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER AND THE RAPIDLY HOUSING PROGRAM THERE. WE'RE REALLY PROVIDING SUPPORTS BASED ON THE NEED OF THE CLIENT. WHEN THEY'RE IN HOUSING THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, A RAPIDLY HOUSING PROGRAM, THERE'S DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS LIKE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PLAY AT LEAST 30 PERCENT OF THEIR INCOME TOWARDS RENT. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE SAME LEASE AGREEMENT THAN ANYONE ELSE IS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW. THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO MEET WITH THEIR CASE MANAGER AND HAVE A HOUSING STABILITY PLAN THAT THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS. THOSE ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE THINGS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO AND THAT HOUSING STABILITY PLAN WILL IDENTIFY THE NEEDED SUPPORTS THAT THEY HAVE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT HOUSING SO THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW THE LEASE AGREEMENT, SO THEY CAN MAKE SOCIAL AND COMMUNITY INTEGRATION EFFORTS AND CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY. REALLY IT'S AN INDIVIDUALIZED LOOK AT EACH PERSON THROUGH A MULTI-DISCIPLINARY TEAM MODEL AND MAKING SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON WHAT THEY NEED AND NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL, BUT A CUSTOMIZED SOLUTION FOR EACH PERSON. >> THANK YOU. WITH REGARDS TO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE HOUSING STABILITY PLAN, FOR INSTANCE, I'M ASSUMING WHEN THEY'RE CHECKING IN WITH FOLKS, IF THEY AREN'T MEETING THOSE METRICS, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SHARE THAT IS GENERALLY DONE IN ORDER TO COURSE CORRECT? >> YEAH. TYPICALLY, WE USE A CRITICAL TIME INTERVENTION MODEL, SO IT SCALES UP AND DOWN THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT THAT PEOPLE RECEIVE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE TRANSITIONING SOMEONE AND THEY'RE JUST MOVING INTO HOUSING, THEY MAY MEET WITH THEM 2-3 TIMES PER DAY. SCALING IT BACK AS NEEDED TO MAYBE ONCE A WEEK OR ONCE EVERY OTHER WEEK, ONCE A MONTH IF THEY'RE GETTING READY TO TRANSITION OFF THE PROGRAM. BUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOING THAT IS AREAS THAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING IN AND TRYING TO STRATEGIZE ON HOW WE CAN WORK WITH THEM SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BECOMING LONG-TERM ISSUES. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING YOUR LEASE AGREEMENT, IF YOU'RE BEING DISRUPTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR HOUSING. AGAIN, PEOPLE TYPICALLY ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED MORE SUPPORT AND THEY MAY HAVE MORE CHANCES. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT END OUTCOME OF POTENTIALLY LOSING YOUR HOUSING IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO FOLLOW YOUR LEASE AGREEMENT, PAY THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR RENT, MEET WITH YOUR CASE MANAGER AND FOLLOW YOUR STABILITY PLAN. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE COMMENTS. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS HOUSING ASSISTANCE, BUT THEN WE LEFT IT THERE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING ASSISTANCE, THAT ASSISTANCE IN GETTING PEOPLE INTO HOUSING OR DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME, PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE BRINK OF LOSING THEIR HOME, IS THAT USED FOR BOTH OF THOSE THINGS? >> YES. IT INCLUDES BOTH PREVENTION AND ONGOING RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE AWARDS THROUGH CDBG. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT 100 PERCENT OF THOSE AWARDS GO TO PREVENTION TO HELP PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOUSE. >> OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION, I'LL JUST START WITH THE COMMENTS IS THAT I CONTINUALLY SAY THE SAME THING. I DON'T WANT TO CALL EVERYBODY WHO IS HOMELESS UNDER ONE UMBRELLA. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT IT'S BROKEN INTO TWO GROUPS. THE PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME, WHO UNDER ENOUGH BAD CIRCUMSTANCES HITTING US ALL AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE LIVING IN THE BACK OF OUR CAR. [02:00:03] WE ALSO HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE WHO CAN'T CARE FOR THEMSELVES, WHETHER IT'D BE FROM A PHYSICAL DISABILITY OR MENTAL ISSUES, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES. I WANT TO CALL THOSE FOLKS HOMELESS AND I WANT TO HELP THEM, I WANT TO RESOURCES SPENT HELPING THEM. THE PEOPLE WHO CAN CARE FOR THEMSELVES CHOOSE NOT TO AND CHOOSE METH OR ANOTHER, OR ALCOHOL OR SOMETHING ELSE AS THEIR PRIORITY OVER A HOME. I WANT TO GIVE THEM THE HELP WHEN THEY'RE READY TO TAKE THEIR HALF OF THE RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAD A SPEAKER WHO IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF THAT. HE GOT THE HELP BECAUSE HE WANTED TO HELP AND EVEN SAID GETTING OFF THE STREET, IF YOU'RE A METH ADDICT, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST EASIER TO TAKE MATH AND JUST KEEP LIVING ON THE STREET, I HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER. THEN WHEN WE THINK WE'RE BEING COMPASSIONATE BY HELPING THEM, SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT IN THE PAST THAT SAID ENABLING SOMEBODY IS NOT COMPASSIONATE. HE EVEN SAID, IF YOU PUT THE WRONG PERSON IN HOUSING, THEN THEY JUST USE THEIR METHOD AND THE HOUSE THAT YOU GAVE THEM, THEY HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING TOWARD BEING SELF-RELIANT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THESE TWO THINGS SEPARATE. THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE HELP AND WANT THE HELP THAT WE GIVE THEM EVERY SINGLE BIT OF RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US. THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE METH, I WANT THAT CARROT STICK SITUATION. AGAIN, THE SPEAKER, HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET OFF MYTH, BUT THE CARROT STICK THING, THE STICK WAS, HIS WIFE SAID, "I'M GOING TO GET AN ABORTION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE CHILD," THAT GOT HIM INTO GETTING THE HELP THAT HE NEEDED. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR STATE SEEMS TO KEEP TAKING AWAY THE STICK AND JUST HAND IN CARROTS OUT. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT OUR LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE KEEP WORKING REALLY HARD AT TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE ALSO HAVE THAT STICK TO PUSH PEOPLE INTO THE HELP THAT THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING IT ON THEIR OWN UNLESS THERE'S SOME A MOTIVATION. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SIX POLICE OFFICERS TO SERGEANTS ASSIGNED TO THE HOT TEAM. I THINK THAT THEY'RE WALKING A TIGHT ROPE. THEY HAVE TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO HELP PEOPLE AND GAIN THEIR TRUST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF SOMEBODY DECIDES TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE. IF SOMEBODY IS WALKING AROUND ON METH AND SCREAMING AND YELLING OR THROWING CHAIRS, THEN THEY NEED TO GO TO JAIL. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE TRYING TO GAIN THEIR TRUST, THEM THROWING THEM INTO JAIL. BUT I WANT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE SEPARATE THE TWO AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO WALK AROUND ON METH AND CREATE DISTURBANCES IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEN THERE'S CONSEQUENCES AND THAT CONSEQUENCE MIGHT BE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR WITHDRAWALS FROM THE METH IN A JAIL CELL. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT BEING COMPASSIONATE. I THINK THAT'S MAKING IT HARDER FOR THEM TO CHOOSE METH OVER A HOME. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT, THERE'S FOUR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THEY HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS. BUT IF YOU WANT MY CONTINUED SUPPORT, I WANT TO SEE A SPLIT THE TWO WHEN ENFORCEMENT IS NEEDED, I THINK WE NEED TO BE ENFORCING THE LAWS. BUT ABSOLUTELY THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT HELP AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY, I WANT US TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS, SPENT EVERY BIT OF OUR RESOURCES HELPING THEM OFF THE STREET. MISS PATEL. >> THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL THE WORK, I KNOW THE TEAM, YOU ALL AND OF COURSE, THE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM WORKS REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE WITH REGARDS TO THE DIVERSITY WITH THE IN-HOUSE POPULATION. I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT IT DOES TAKE A MULTIDISCIPLINARY APPROACH, EACH PERSON IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME LIKE ANYONE ELSE. OBVIOUSLY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODELS, WHETHER IT'S HOUSING FIRST OR OTHER THINGS THAT WORK FOR SOME FOLKS AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND I THINK THAT'S THE PIECE THAT I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS GET HUNG UP ON WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK ABOUT. BUT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL, IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. I THINK I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU-ALL ARE BRINGING THAT UP, THAT THERE WILL BE A DIFFERENT APPROACH FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL AS YOU TALK TO THEM AND HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT AND ENSURING THAT THEY GET THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OF COURSE, I APPRECIATE THAT WE BROUGHT UP THE CDBG FUNDING AND THEN OF COURSE, THE OTHER PIECES, THE PLHA AND OF COURSE, THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING WITH THE HEAD [02:05:01] RAPIDLY HOUSING GRANT AND THEN THE HOUSING TRUST FUND AND JUST WANTING TO SAY THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE THINKING OF WAYS AND TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE AND THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT USING OUR GENERAL FUND MONEY, SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. OVERALL, JUST WANTED TO THANK ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, I KNOW IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THIS HOLISTICALLY AND I KNOW OVER THE COURSE OF MY TIME HERE, IN MY FIFTH YEAR, IT DEFINITELY SEEN A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF HOW WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS AND MAKING SURE THAT FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE CONTINUE TO HAVE FOLKS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE SERVICES THEY NEED AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR RESIDENTS HERE, HOW THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE. I THINK WE'RE REALLY STRIKING THAT BALANCE AND WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. >> MS. ACOSTA. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW I ALREADY THINK STAFF AND I WANT TO REPEAT THAT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUE JUST NOW ABOUT HOW OUR PLAN HAS EVOLVED AND IS CONTINUING TO EVOLVE AS WE SEE THINGS HAPPENING AROUND US CHANGING AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LEGISLATION, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT HAS BEEN COMING DOWN. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS CONSERVATORSHIP AND I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR. WE WILL SEE A NEW CONSERVATORSHIP PROGRAM THAT IS FUNDED BY THE STATE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY THAT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE MENTAL HEALTH CONCERNS OF THE HOMELESS WHEN PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHO ALSO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND ADDICTION ISSUES, THERE WILL BE AN OPTION TO PLACE THEM IN A CONSERVATORSHIP. WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS, THAT IS SOMETHING ALSO STILL EVOLVING, STILL BEING FIGURED OUT AND WE'LL BE HAVING ITS DEBUT LATER THIS YEAR, WE BELIEVE. BUT I ALSO WANT TO CHIME IN ON THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES THAT ARE OUT THERE. THERE ARE MANY WONDERFUL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ADDRESS SOME ASPECT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS OR ARE ABOUT TO FALL INTO A STATE OF HOMELESSNESS SO THEY'RE NOT ALL HERE. THIS IS A SHORT LIST, THERE ARE MANY THAT DO WORK HERE IN CARLSBAD AND WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR LAST ADDRESS IN CARLSBAD. I JUST WROTE DOWN A COUPLE THAT I HAD VOLUNTEERED WITH IN THE PAST, OPERATION HOPE, WHICH WORKS WITH WOMEN AND CHILDREN, AND MAC, WHICH DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY WORK WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE, BUT IT WORKS WITH VERY LOW INCOME PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT AT THE VERGE AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE THE ALL OF THE HEAD START PROGRAMS IN NORTH COUNTY ARE RUN BY MAC. SEVEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITIES, AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY ARE RUN BY MAC AND MANY OTHER PROGRAMS INCLUDING TWO REHABILITATION HOMES, ONE FOR WOMEN AND ONE FOR MEN THAT ARE RUN BY MAC. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE THEY SIT ON THEIR BOARD FOR SIX YEARS. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE MANY WONDERFUL ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN APPROACHES, INCLUDING FAITH COMMUNITIES AND CHURCHES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN APPROACHES. I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND I SUPPORT THIS. THANKS. >> MS. BURKHOLDER. >> THANKS. IT STRIKES ME AS A LITTLE BIT ODD THAT AS A CITY WE'RE REFERRING TO PEOPLE AS CLIENTS. I DON'T SEE A CITY AS A STRUCTURE THAT INTAKES CLIENTS AND DOES THERAPEUTIC RELATIONSHIP LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHAT I CALL MY CLIENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE CLIENTS OF MINE. WE ARE RESIDENTS AND WE ARE CITIZENS AND THE NUMBER ONE GOAL IS SAFETY. IF THE FOCUS IS ON HOUSING, I THINK WE'RE LEAVING RESIDENTS OUT TO DRY WITH THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT. I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS TO SAY THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES FOR. AGAIN, MANDY, I THINK YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB OF THE PREVENTION ARM AND THE LOW MIDDLE-INCOME PEOPLE. I THINK THAT YOUR WHOLE GROUP DOES. BUT WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO THE STAKEHOLDER, TO THE TAXPAYER, AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS PLAN OTHER THAN THE CDBG FUNDING WHICH I WILL BE SUPPORTING. I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH, NOT KNOWING THAT WHAT I CAN TAKE BACK TO PEOPLE TO SAY, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS HOMELESS PLAN. BECAUSE IF IT WERE, WE WOULDN'T SEE THE SAME PEOPLE ON THE SAME STREETS EVERY DAY, AND IF THE GOAL IS NOT TO HOUSE THOSE FOLKS THEN THIS PLAN SHOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING ELSE. ON THE END, PAGE 23 OR 48 TALKS ABOUT THIS ALIGNS WITH [02:10:03] THE STRATEGIC PLAN GOAL OF IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITY'S LOW AND MODERATE INCOME COMMUNITY. WELL, DOES IT? THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED IN HERE THAT WOULD FOR ME DEFINITELY THE PERSON WHO SEES MOST HOMELESS PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE DISTRICT I RESIDE. IT'S JUST HARD TO JUSTIFY $320,000 FOR TWO SOCIAL WORKERS AND $315,000 FOR ENROLLMENT SPECIALIST WHO COMPLETE APPLICATIONS OR GET SOMEONE'S DRIVER'S LICENSE. IT'S MIND-BOGGLING. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PARTNERING MORE WITH THE COUNTY AND SERVICES THAT THEY ALREADY PROVIDE, THAT THEY'RE ALREADY EXPERTS AT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO BE EXPERTS AT THIS PARTICULAR THING. I DO REALIZE THE MULTI-DISCIPLINARY APPROACH WORKS. I'VE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION BEFORE HELPING PEOPLE WHO HAD CHILDREN THAT WERE IN CUSTODY OR AT RISK OF GOING INTO STATE CUSTODY SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE APPROACH AND IT DOES WORK. BUT THE OWNER SHOULD NOT BE ON THE CITY OF CARLSBAD BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER AND IF WE HAVE ALL THESE GREAT IDEAS, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT, IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. THAT'S THE WASH FOR ME AND I WOULD JUST SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONSERVATORSHIP, WE ARE WORKING ON THE LEGISLATIVE SUB-COMMITTEE TO IDENTIFY THOSE BILLS THAT WILL ACTUALLY GET US ONE STEP CLOSER TO BEING READY TO IMPLEMENT THE CARE COURT PROCESS WHEN IT IS READY TO GO SO THAT WE ARE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO GET PREPARED FOR THE CITY SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HERE ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THIS PROGRAM. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO IMPLEMENT IT, AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING ANYTIME IN THE NEXT, AT LEAST NOT UNTIL WE DO OUR BUDGET THAT'S [LAUGHTER] WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE ON A BUDGET FIRST. FOR ME, I WOULD SUPPORT THE CDBG GRANT, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THE FIRST PART. SORRY. >> MS. LUNA. >> I THINK THIS IS SO NEW IN THE HOMELESS ACTION PLAN, AND THERE'S NO ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. EVERY JURISDICTION IS PUTTING DIFFERENT VEGETABLES IN THE POT TO SEE WHAT WORKS. THE CITY IS OBVIOUSLY COMMITTED TO RESOLVING THIS SOONER THAN LATER BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE TAKING OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY DILIGENT OF AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE REFINEMENT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US, AND NEXT YEAR IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT METRICS TO MAYBE SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE. MAYBE REACH OUT TO THEM TO FIND OUT HOW THEY FEEL THEIR INPUT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THIS IS EVOLVING. WE'RE REFINING THIS, TAKING WHAT THE MAYOR HAD TO SAY. BUT THE CITY IS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO WORKING TOWARDS SOLVING THE HOMELESS PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT EASY AND THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE STRATEGIC PLAN WITH THIS COMPONENT. I THINK IT'S WISE HOW YOU'RE PULLING ALL THE DIFFERENT SOURCES TOGETHER AND LOOKING AT IT. I CAN TOTALLY SUPPORT THIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME BUT ONCE AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND SHOW HOW THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THESE COMMITMENTS ARE FISCALLY BENEFICIAL TO US ALSO. >> ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS REQUESTS THAT YOU PUT UP THE RECOMMENDATION SLIDE. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE LAST ONES. WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THE COMPLEMENT. BEING ON THE COUNCIL, WE HEAR PEOPLE'S INPUT CONSTANTLY. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF OUR DOWNTOWN AND HOW MANY HOMELESS WE HAD DOWN THERE HAVE SAID THEY'VE SEEN A DIFFERENCE. MANY FEWER HOMELESS PEOPLE IN FRONT OF BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THANK YOU. OUR EFFORTS ARE WORKING. THEY'RE JUST NOT WORKING ENOUGH YET, BUT WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND RESIDENTS ARE NOTICING IT AND FOR THAT, THANK YOU. >> WAS THIS THE SLIDE? >> DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> SURE. DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THESE ONE BY ONE BECAUSE I HEARD THAT WE MAY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO VOTE NO ON A PART OF IT SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I PROVIDE THAT. >> THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I WERE JUST TALKING. YOU'RE RECEIVING A REPORT AND THEN YOU'RE ADOPTING OR APPROVING THE CDBG ANNUAL ACTION PLAN AND ADOPTING A RESOLUTION OF PROVEN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, SO THOSE ARE RELATED TOO. THEY'RE CDBG RELATED. >> GREAT. I'LL JUST MOVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THEN. [02:15:01] >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL BE BACK AT 7:20. I'M GOING TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 12 OUT OF ORDER. THAT'LL BE THE APPOINTMENT FOR, HANG IN THERE WITH ME [BACKGROUND] THAT'LL BE THE PARK AND REC APPOINTMENT THAT'LL BE MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA. THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO ASK THAT WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE MUNICIPAL CODE CLEANUP, THAT I ASK THAT THESE QUICK APPOINTMENTS BE BROUGHT TO THE TOP OF THE CALENDAR SO THE APPOINTEES DON'T HAVE TO SIT AND WAIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETINGS. MS. LUNA, YOUR APPOINTMENT, PLEASE. [12. DISTRICT 2 APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION] >> TO SAVE TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FILLED OUT ANY SPEAKER SLIPS, DID THEY [BACKGROUND]. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD THEN AND NOMINATE JOKESBERG. >> PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9. CITY MANAGER, PLEASE. [9. CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE REPORTING PERIOD 6, JAN. 1, 2022-DEC.31, 2022] >> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ITEM 9 IS THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE REPORTING PERIOD 6, WHICH IS JANUARY 1, 2022 THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2022, MAKING THE PRESENTATION AS OUR SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER, KATIE HENTRICH. >> GOOD EVENING. KATIE HENTRICH, SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT AND I'M PRESENTING THE SIX CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ANNUAL REPORT. IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION, I'LL BE REVIEWING THE BACKGROUND OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ANNUAL REPORT FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2022. GO OVER SOME IMPLEMENTATION HIGHLIGHTS FROM THIS REPORTING PERIOD. DISCUSS OUR WORK WITH COLLEGE CORE, PROVIDES STATUS OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE, AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. TO SET THE STAGE, THE CITY'S FIRST CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2015. THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, OR CAP, WAS DEVELOPED TO HELP THE CITY MEET STATE GOALS FOR REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S GOALS OF PROMOTING A SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENT. THE CITY WAS ALSO ONE OF THE FIRST IN THE REGION TO ADOPT A C-CL QUALIFIED CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. ON JULY 14TH, 2020 CITY COUNCIL APPROVED CAP AMENDMENT NUMBER 1, WHICH REVISED ITS CALCULATIONS WITH MORE CURRENT DATA. AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE CAP IS ANNUAL MONITORING AND REPORTING. THIS PRESENTATION IS FOCUSING ON JUST THAT, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CAP IN CALENDAR YEAR 2022. A MAIN COMPONENT OF THE CAP IS THE CITY'S GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE MAJOR SOURCES AND OVERALL MAGNITUDE OF EMISSIONS IN THE CITY AT A POINT IN TIME, SPECIFICALLY THE YEAR 2012. IN 2012, THE CITY'S TOTAL EMISSIONS WERE 977,000 METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON-ROAD TRANSPORTATION CONTRIBUTES THE MOST EMISSIONS TO THE CITY'S OVERALL INVENTORY, ACCOUNTING FOR HALF OF THE TOTAL EMISSIONS, WHILE WASTEWATER ACCOUNTS FOR LESS THAN ONE PERCENT. THE DATA IN THE 2012 INVENTORY IS USED AS A BASELINE IN THE CAP TO PROJECT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS INTO THE FUTURE AND SET REDUCTION TARGETS. THIS GRAPH SHOWS THE CAPS 2012 BASELINE AND REDUCTION TARGETS IN THE BLUE LINE ON TOP COMPARED TO THE EMISSIONS ACTIVITY REPORTED IN THE CITY'S MOST RECENT GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY FROM 2018 IN THE RED SHORTER LINE JUST BELOW. ON THE BLUE TOP LINE STARTING ON THE FAR LEFT YOU CAN SEE THE CAPS 2012 BASELINE OR THE TOTAL ADMISSIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. TO THE RIGHT, THE NEXT NUMBER IS THE 2020 REDUCTION TARGET ESTABLISHED IN THE CAP AND THE FINAL NUMBER ON THE BLUE LINE TO THE FAR RIGHT OF THE GRAPH IS THE 2035 REDUCTION TARGET ESTABLISHED IN THE CAP. ON THE RED BOTTOM LINE, YOU CAN SEE THE EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS CAPTURED IN THE CITY'S MOST RECENT GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY FROM 2018, WHICH SHOWED THE CITIES ARE PASSING IT'S 2020 TARGET WITH A 4.8% REDUCTION IN EMISSIONS. ANOTHER IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE CAP ARE ITS MEASURES WHICH DESCRIBE WHAT ACTIONS THE CITY MUST PURSUE TO MEET ITS GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGETS. THESE MEASURES CAN BE GROUPED INTO FOUR STRATEGY AREAS. ENERGY EFFICIENCY, RENEWABLE ENERGY, TRANSPORTATION, AND WATER. MEASURES IN THE CAP COVER BOTH MUNICIPAL AND COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES. [02:20:05] HOW ARE WE DOING AFTER THIS REPORTING PERIOD? THE CAP HAS A TOTAL OF 12 MEASURES AND 35 ACTIONS. EACH ACTION HAS AN IMPLEMENTATION TIME-FRAME ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AFTER INCORPORATING THE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRESS FROM 2022, 16 ACTIONS OR 46% HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. MY NOTES SHOULD SAY 16, AND MY SLIDE SAYS 16 ACTIONS ARE IN PROGRESS AND ON SCHEDULE SO THAT'S 46% AS WELL AND THEN TWO ACTIONS ARE IN PROGRESS AND DELAYED OR 5% AND ONE ACTION OR 3% HAS NOT BEEN STARTED. FOR THOSE THAT ARE DELAYED, THESE DELAYS ARE CAUSED BY FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS THAT DID NOT YIELD SUFFICIENT RESULTS. FOR THE ONE THAT'S NOT STARTED, THIS REFERS TO MEASURE P2, WHICH EXPLORES THE PURCHASE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS IF THE COMMUNITY CHOICE ENERGY PROGRAM IS NOT REACHING ITS 2035 GOAL. WITH CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE LAUNCHING FAIRLY RECENTLY, THAT'S WHY THIS MEASURE HAS NOT YET STARTED. HERE ARE SOME IMPLEMENTATION HIGHLIGHTS FROM 2022. THE CITY LAUNCH THE HOME ENERGY SCORE ASSESSMENT PILOT PROGRAM IN MAY OF 2022 AND COMPLETED 21 FREE ENERGY ASSESSMENTS FOR RESIDENTS. EIGHT BUSINESSES WERE CERTIFIED IN CARLSBAD GREEN BUSINESS PROGRAM IN 2022 THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHICH DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE ACTIONS IN THE CAP AND CERTAIN MEASURES AND ACTIONS WERE COMPLETED, MEANING THE TARGETS IN THE CAP THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WERE MET. THESE INCLUDE ENERGY EFFICIENCY RETROFITS OF CITY FACILITIES, INCREASING LOW AND ZERO EMISSIONS CITY FLEET-RELATED VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, AND REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS FROM WATER UTILITIES. I'D NOW LIKE TO ASK TERESA MEDINA, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENTS COLLEGE CORPS FELLOW FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF SAN DIEGO TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TERESA MEDINA AND I'M A SENIOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SAN DIEGO. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT AS A COLLEGE CORPS FELLOW SINCE AUGUST OF 2022. CALIFORNIANS FOR ALL COLLEGE CORPS IS A STATE PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES OVER 10,000 STUDENTS WITH OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT AND LEARN FROM COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. THEY HAVE SERVICE PROGRAMS BASED IN K-12 EDUCATION, FOOD INSECURITY, AND CLIMATE ACTION. I AM A MEMBER OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PROGRAM, WHICH IS HOW I GOT MATCHED WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT AT THE CITY. DURING MY TIME AS A FELLOW, I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH EACH DIVISION OF THE DEPARTMENT WHERE I WAS PRIVY TO THEIR EXPERTISE IN ALL THINGS SUSTAINABILITY. HOWEVER, MY PRIMARY FOCUS HAS BEEN OUTREACHED SURROUNDING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. THE VERY FIRST OUTREACH EVENT I ATTENDED WAS THE NOVEMBER VILLAGE FAIR. IN ADDITION TO SOME FUN GIVEAWAYS, WE ASKED RESIDENTS WHAT CAN CARLSBAD DO TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE. WE RECEIVED RESPONSES LIKE EDUCATION, MORE RECYCLING, AND ELECTRIC CAR CHARGERS. WE ALSO USED A VIRTUAL OUTREACH PLATFORM CALLED MENTEE, WHERE WE GENERATED A WORD CLOUD USING THE PUBLIC INPUT WE RECEIVED. THE BIGGER THE WORDS ARE, THE MORE THOSE RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED. ADDITIONALLY, WE ATTENDED THE APRIL EXTRAVAGANZA. TO COMMIT TO THE EASTER THEME, WE HOSTED AN ACTIVITY WHERE WE GAVE AWAY RECYCLED EGG CARTONS FILLED WITH SOIL AND FLOWER SEEDS TO BE PLANTED BY RESIDENTS AT HOME. WE APPEAL TO A YOUNGER AUDIENCE BY ASKING HOW CAN YOU HELP THE EARTH? WE RECEIVED RESPONSES LIKE PICK UP TRASH, PLANT MORE TREES, AND RESPECT THE ANIMALS. ANOTHER EVENT WE ATTENDED WAS THE APRIL EARTH FAIR. AT THIS EVENT, WE GAVE AWAY SUSTAINABILITY ACTIVITY BOOKS AND MADE A VIRTUAL SUSTAINABLE BINGO CARD THAT RESIDENTS COULD PLAY ON THEIR PHONES THROUGHOUT EARTH MONTH. WE ASK THE SAME QUESTION, HOW CAN YOU HELP THE EARTH? WE RECEIVED RESPONSES LIKE BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION, NO SINGLE-USE PLASTIC, AND USE MORE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE HAD SO MUCH FUN ENGAGING WITH THE CARLSBAD COMMUNITY AND LEARNING ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS ON SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE ACTION. ULTIMATELY, THESE OUTREACH EVENTS WILL BE CAPTURED IN A FUTURE OUTREACH SUMMARY AND WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION DURING THE CAP UPDATE TO ENSURE PUBLIC INPUT IS BEING REFLECTED PROPERLY. >> THANK YOU, MS. MEDINA. DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF LAST YEAR'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ANNUAL REPORT, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO USE A CUSTOMIZED RUN OF SANDAGS MOST RECENT [02:25:03] ACTIVITY-BASED MODEL IN THE CAP UPDATE TO FORECAST THE IMPACT OF POTENTIAL ACTIONS. THIS WAS DONE TO ALIGN WITH THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND ANALYSIS PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONING PROGRAM, AS WELL AS TO AVOID ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME AND CONSULTANT COSTS. SINCE THEN, SEVERAL DELAYS HAVE OCCURRED WITH SANDAG SERVICE BUREAU, WHICH HAS ULTIMATELY IMPACTED THE SCHEDULE FOR THE CAP UPDATE. HOWEVER, DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD, STAFF COMPLETED PHASE 1 OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, CONTINUED CONDUCTING OUTREACH AS MS. MEDINA DESCRIBED. MET WITH STAFF FROM MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS TO UNDERSTAND ACTIONS THE CITY IS ALREADY TAKING TO SUPPORT THE CAP AND CAP UPDATE AND BEGAN ASSESSING POSSIBLE MEASURES AND ACTIONS TO INCLUDE IN THE CAP UPDATE. NEXT STEPS FOR THE CAP UPDATE INCLUDE FINALIZING DATA COLLECTION, ASSESSING THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY AND REDUCTION TARGETS FOR THE UPDATE, AND PREPARING CANDIDATE CAP MEASURES OR MEASURES THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE FORMAL DRAFT OF THE CAP UPDATE. STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING THE CANDIDATE MEASURES INTERNALLY AND THEN SHARING THEM PUBLICLY, BOTH THROUGH OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS WITH CITY COUNCIL AS WE WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THAT FEEDBACK AND MAKE ANY CHANGES TO POSSIBLE MEASURES AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. ASSUMING THE FINAL PIECE OF DATA IS BEING DELIVERED IMMINENTLY, I AM ESTIMATING THAT PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL WILL BE LATER THIS SUMMER. THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ANNUAL REPORT FOR REPORTING PERIODS 6, JANUARY 1ST, 2022 THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2022. THANK YOU. >> CALL THE SPEAKERS, PLEASE. >> MIKE BORRELLO, FOLLOWED BY VANESSA FORSYTHE. >> REPORT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE HOW MUCH DID THAT COST ALL THAT WORK, CALCULATING ALL THOSE GASES IN THE ATMOSPHERE. I WORK FOR A COMPANY HERE IN CARLSBAD, PHILLIPS RESPIRONICS. IN 2020, THE PANDEMIC HIT, COVID HIT. THE COMPANY GOT DOLLAR SIGNS IN ITS EYES AND THEY RAMPED UP PRODUCTION OF VENTILATORS FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. BUT BY THE FALL OF 2020, IT JUST WASN'T HAPPENING, THE HOSPITALS WEREN'T AS FULL AS THE MODELS HAVE PREDICTED. PETER NAVARRO GOT UP AND HE CANCELED OUR VENTILATOR CONTRACT, HALF A BILLION DOLLARS, AND IT AFFECTED THE COMPANY THROUGH THE WHOLE PANDEMIC. PHILLIPS IS NOW LAYING OFF 10,000 PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD. PART OF THAT WAS THE MODEL, THESE MODELS CAME OUT OF UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON, COLLEGE OF LONDON, AND BY THE WAY, THOSE SAME COLLEGES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLIMATE MODELS THAT ARE PREDICTING THAT OUR OCEANS ARE GOING TO RISE AND WE'RE GOING TO BURN UP IN A HOT ATMOSPHERE. I DON'T KNOW THE GEOPHYSICS, I KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT OCEANOGRAPHY, I'M AN OCEAN ENGINEER IN MY UNDERGRAD. BUT I KNOW MORE SO ABOUT THE COMPLEX MODELS THAT ARE USED FOR PREDICTING THESE OUTCOMES. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE MODELS ARE NOT RELIABLE, YOU CANNOT HANG YOUR HAT ON THESE. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH COVID. YOU'RE LOOKING TO CUT PROGRAMS, CUT BUDGET, WE'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO GIVE US ANY VALUE IN THE LONG RUN. THE ENVIRONMENT IS GOOD TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE ARE WASTING A LOT OF MONEY. WE'RE GOING TO BREAK THE BANK ON THESE CLIMATE PROGRAMS RIGHT AFTER THE PANDEMIC. THAT'S ALL WE NEED IS TO GO CRAZY ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND SPEND ALL THIS MONEY. WE DON'T NEED THAT NOW, WE REALLY DON'T NEED THAT. THE CITY REALLY NEEDS TO LOOK AT BRINGING IN, I DIDN'T GET IT INTO THE JOURNALS, THE JOURNALS ARE ANOTHER THING. THE JOURNALS ARE CAPTURED RIGHT NOW, PEER REVIEW IS NOT JUST THE PANDEMIC COVID, BUT ALSO CLIMATE CHANGE. YOU CANNOT PUBLISH, IF YOU HAVE OPPOSING VIEWS, YOU CANNOT PUBLISH, YOU'RE KICKED OUT. [02:30:10] >> MY NAME IS VANESSA FORSYTHE AND I RESIDE IN DISTRICT 4. I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT A YEAR-AND-A-HALF AGO AND IT WAS REGARDING PASSING THE RESOLUTION FOR RECOGNIZING THAT THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY DOES EXIST AND THAT WE NEED TO DO ACTION HERE IN CARLSBAD THAT ADDRESSES THAT IN TERMS OF SUSTAINING OUR WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN. I DO WANT TO THANK KATIE FOR HER PRESENTATION. I AM A MEMBER OF THE CAL JEN SIERRA CLUB HERE IN CARLSBAD. WE HAD SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HOPE TO SEE IN THE NEXT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AS IT GOES FORWARD BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR REVIEW PROCESS. I HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED MY LETTER THAT HAS SPECIFIC ITEMS, BUT I WANTED TO JUST SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS. SPECIFICALLY THAT THE CITY CONSIDER HAVING SERIOUSLY A COMMISSION OR A TASK FORCE MADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO ARE WELL AWARE OF THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND HOW WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I AM A HEALTH CARE PROVIDER AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT CLIMATE CHANGE DOES EXIST AND THAT IT IS IMPACTING THE HEALTH OF MANY PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND ELSEWHERE. I THINK THE CLIMATE ACTION TASK FORCE IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND IS A GOOD RESOURCE TO STAFF AND CAN HELP FACILITATE EDUCATION TO OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS. WE NEED TO ACTUALLY BETTER COMMUNICATE TO THE PEOPLE OF CARLSBAD THROUGH OUTREACH ON OUR CITY WEBSITE, IT DOESN'T REALLY BREAK THINGS DOWN, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IS HOW INDIVIDUALS AND COMMUNITIES'S DECISIONS CAN REDUCE GREENHOUSE GASES. STEPS THAT YOU CAN TAKE TOWARDS ELECTRIFICATION OF YOUR HOME WITH ITEMS RESIDENTS CAN PLAN TO REPLACE WHEN NEEDED AND LIST ADVANTAGES OF GOING ELECTRIC. BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY HOW WE ARE NEEDING TO ADDRESS GREENHOUSE GASES AT THIS POINT. I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THAT THE POLICE THEM WAS PURCHASING DID NOT INCLUDE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ANY OF THEM, AND THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING ACTUALLY LISTED IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PREVIOUSLY TO GO ELECTRIC IN TERMS OF OUR FLEET. I ALSO KNOW THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT I COULD SAY, BUT IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT FOR IT TO BE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FOR A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE FOR OURSELVES IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> PAIGE CASINO FOLLOWED BY KATHY PARKER. >> HI MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF. I'M KATE DESINO HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CARLSBAD SIERRA CLUB TEAM. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR CAP ADMINISTRATOR KATIE, FOR HER WILLINGNESS TO MEET WITH OUR TEAM AND KEEP US UPDATED ON THE CAP REVISIONS AS WELL AS FOR THIS REPORT THAT YOU RECEIVED TODAY. WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED FOR QUITE AWHILE ABOUT HAVING A CITY PRODUCE A STRONGER CAP. THINGS LIKE SETTING A TARGET DATE FOR HAVING MUNICIPAL AND CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE CUSTOMERS RECEIVE 100 PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY. COMING UP WITH A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE NOT JUST SOLAR, BUT SOLAR PLUS STORAGE AS A WAY OF SHIFTING THE HIGH PEAK OF SOLAR PRODUCTION HOURS TO THE EVENING WHERE CUSTOMERS CURRENTLY GET CHARGED A PREMIUM FOR THEIR ELECTRICITY. BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION COMING UP IN ITEM 10 ALSO NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED. BUT A PARTICULAR CONCERN IS TRANSPORTATION, WHICH AS YOU SAW IN THE REPORT, CONTRIBUTES TO 50 PERCENT OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. WE HAVE A WEAK TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT OR TDM PROGRAM. [02:35:04] NO NEW BUSINESSES AND THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO CREATE A TDM PLAN. THIS IS EVIDENCED THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH TO DRESS ADMISSION EMISSIONS FROM TRANSPORTATION. SOME WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. ONE, LOWER THE THRESHOLD FOR NEW BUSINESSES TO DEVELOP TDM PLANS. TWO PASS A SCHOOL NO IDLING ORDINANCE. WITHOUT SCHOOL BUSES IN CARLSBAD THIS IS A SOURCE OF GHG EMISSIONS AND AIR POLLUTION FOR STUDENTS. THREE, PATHS AND OFF-ROAD EQUIPMENT ORDINANCE TO MANDATE A SHIFT FROM GASOLINE TO ELECTRIC LEAF BLOWERS AND LAWNMOWERS. FOUR DON'T BACKSLIDE ON HAVING CITY VEHICLES MOVE TO MORE ZERO MISSION MILES, AND FIVE, WORK ON WAYS TO PROMOTE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT TRAIN STATIONS AND BUS STOPS, TRANSIT STATUS TO DECREASE VEHICLE MILES TRAVEL, EVEN IF IT MEANS SUB-ZONING IN SOME AREAS. SOME OF THE SUGGESTED GO BEYOND WHAT THE STATE MANDATES OR WHAT SOME PEOPLE MAY SEEM REASONABLE. BUT NO ONE IS DOING ENOUGH TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, SO WE ALL MUST BE BOLD IN OUR ACTIONS. JUST ASK THE SCIENTISTS ON THE UN'S INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE. CARLSBAD PASSED A CLIMATE EMERGENCY IN SEPTEMBER 2021. WE WANT TO SEE THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION INSTEAD OF JUST PRODUCING A PIECE OF PAPER WITH NO INTENTION OF HOLDING ANYONE ACCOUNTABLE. THANK YOU. >> HELLO COUNSEL. KATHY PARKER, 47 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD. I'LL BE BRIEF, LITTLE ADMONISHMENT. ONE OF MY FAVORITE SAYINGS IS, IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM. THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS TO BE SOLVED TO REVERSE THE DECLINE IN AIR QUALITY. IF WE ARE LOOKING BEYOND OUR OWN LIFETIMES AND AIMING TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN IMPLEMENTING THE CAP. ONE SMALL STEP WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE GAS LEAF BLOWERS, WHICH WOULD REDUCE AIR POLLUTION, NOISE POLLUTION, AND USE OF FOSSIL FUELS. TO QUOTE AN ARTICLE FROM THE ATLANTIC, RUNNING A LEAF BLOWER FOR 30 MINUTES CREATES MORE EMISSIONS THAN DRIVING AN F 150 PICKUP TRUCK, 3,800 MILES. THIS STEP IS A NO-BRAINER. IF ENCINITAS CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS. WHY CAN'T CARLSBAD? >> OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS GREG FERRY. >> MY NAME IS GREG FERRY. I LIVE JUST OFF ELM STREET ON THE SECOND SAND DUNE OVER. IS CLIMATE CHANGE REAL, HUMAN-CAUSED AND AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT? WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE CITY OF CARLSBAD BELIEFS THE FIRST TWO. BUT IS IT AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT. WHAT IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT? AN EXAMPLE, SUPPOSE YOU ARE IN A LIFE BOAT BECAUSE YOUR SHIP HAS SUNK, YOU'RE FACING AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT BECAUSE OF MANY FACTORS, RESCUE MAY NOT OCCUR AND MAY NOT BE TIMELY. THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT OF WHICH I SPEAK IS THAT WHICH CONCERNS ALL OF HUMANITY. IF YOU BELIEVE THE SCIENTISTS, WHICH THOUSANDS OF SCIENTISTS ASSIGNED ON FOR 80 PERCENT OF ALL SPECIES ON EARTH ARE AFFECTED BY THIS EXISTENTIAL THREAT. MANY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND ITS EXISTENTIAL THREAT. LET'S GO BACK TO THE LIFEBOAT. WE HAVE WISELY THOUGHT AHEAD AND STOCKED AN EPUB EMERGENCY POSITION INDICATING RADIO BEACON. USING IT WILL LIKELY ENSURE OUR SAFETY. BUT THE COST RESULTING IN OUR RESCUE MAY BE ABSORBIDANT. DO YOU TRIGGER IT TO SAVE MONEY? DO YOU NOT TRIGGER IT TO SAVE MONEY? MAYBE THIS IS NOT AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT. IF CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT, COST IS NOT RELEVANT. I GOT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT'S NOT RELEVANT. INSTEAD, ANY ACTION WE TAKE, THE FIRST QUESTION WE SHOULD ASK OURSELVES SHOULD BE, WILL THIS MITIGATE CLIMATE CHANGE? [02:40:01] IF IT DOES NOT, THEN THIS ACTION SHOULD BE PUT AT A MUCH LOWER PRIORITY. BUT IF CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT, THEN, WELL, WHO CARES? HUMANS HAVE ALWAYS MUDDLED ALONG. THEY'LL GET THROUGH THIS. BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF RESOURCES 225 YEARS AGO. IMAGINE THAT 225 YEARS AGO, THIS FELLOW, MALTHUS WROTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF RESOURCES 50 YEARS OR 50 YEARS AGO, EHRLICH WARNED US OF THIS SITUATION. WE LIVE IN A FINITE PLANET. WITH FINITE RESOURCES. FOR EXAMPLE, TANTALUM. IT'S A METAL REQUIRED MAKING OUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES SMALL. AS OF A FEW YEARS AGO, WE CAN NO LONGER EXTRACT THIS METAL AS FAST AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU INVEST, THE AMOUNT THAT WE CAN EXTRACT IS DECREASING. I'VE REFERENCED SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN ZIRCON 2005. HOUSING PRICES ARE GOING UP. WHY? I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME. WHY? BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH LAND. >> THANK FOR YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> NO. >> QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL, MS. LUNA, MS. BURKHOLDER. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING THERE REGIONAL TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING IS DELAYED FROM SANDAG, AND OUR HOUSING ELEMENT DEPENDS ON GETTING THAT, AND IT ALSO SEEMS TO ME, WOULD GUIDE AND DIRECT HOW YOU MAKE YOUR PREDICTION ABOUT LOWERING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. BY THE WAY, IT'S DELAYED BECAUSE WE'RE REVISITING THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN. SORRY. I'M JUST WONDERING. [BACKGROUND] NO, IT'S NOT. THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT LIKE NO, YOU DIDN'T DO THAT. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING HOW CAN YOU MAKE THEN THE PREDICTIONS WITHOUT THE ADEQUATE DATA THAT YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY DO THAT? >> WE CAN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE WAITING STILL. >> YOU'RE JUST GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE MODELING IS COMPLETE? >> YEAH. >> IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT OUR LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND ANY OTHER ZONING CHANGES THAT WERE GOING INTO THE HOUSING ELEMENT MODELING. WE WANTED THE PLANS TO MATCH USE THE SAME DATA. >> I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT WE WOULD BE CLOSE TO BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH CERTIFICATION IN HOUSING ELEMENT. WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES IF WE'RE JUST WAITING ON SANDAG, I GUESS? >> I'M NOT SURE I CAN SPEAK TO THE SCHEDULE. YEAH. THANK YOU, JEFF. >> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, JEFF MURPHY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. WHEN WE GOT NOTICED THAT SAN DEG WAS DELAYING THE MODEL RUNS, WE ACTUALLY CONSULTED WITH A THIRD-PARTY FIRM THAT WAS ABLE TO RUN THE MODELS FOR US. THEM BEING ABLE TO DO THOSE MODELS KEPT US ON SCHEDULE, SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT WILL GO OUT SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER AND THEN HEARINGS WILL START LATER THIS CALENDAR YEAR. WE WILL BE ON TIME. THE DEADLINE FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS APRIL OR SPRING OF 2024. WE'LL BE BRINGING THE HOUSE ELEMENT BEFORE THE COUNCIL WELL BEFORE THEN. >> I JUST WAS NOTICING THE VERY LAST MEMO IN THIS PACKET WAS FROM SAN DEG SAYING, WE'RE REALLY SORRY ABOUT THAT AND THAT WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF '22. [LAUGHTER] >> CORRECT. >> I WASN'T GOING TO PUT ALL MY EGGS IN ONE BASKET ON THAT ONE, SO THANK YOU, JEFF. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> JEFF. WILL YOU HANG OUT AND JUST HAVE A SEAT. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. MS. ACOSTA. >> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION. WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT, NOT JUST THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD HERE TODAY. SOME OF THEM WERE IN EMAIL AND CALLS AND PEOPLE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK ON A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED. SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE HISTORICAL, SO MS. HENDRICK, YOU MIGHT NEED TO CALL ON SOMEBODY ELSE TO ANSWER THEM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, MAYBE, [LAUGHTER] AROUND THERE. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT FOR US, BUT SOME OF THIS HISTORY MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARDER. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO INCLUDE A TARGET FOR THE CITY TO REACH 100 PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY, AND I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS FROM 2020 TO THE CAP WAS ABOUT ADDING IN THE CCE, WHICH JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. DO WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY TRYING TO REACH 100 PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED OR WAS CONSIDERED IN THIS CAP UPDATE? >> THANK YOU. YES. MEASURE P IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, [02:45:02] WHICH WAS ADDED WHEN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS AMENDED IN JULY OF 2020, IS RELATED TO OUR COMMUNITY CHOICE ENERGY PROGRAM AND THE MEASURE SAYS, INCREASE THE PROPORTION OF CLEAN ELECTRICITY IN COMMUNITY ENERGY CONSUMPTION. THEN THE TWO ACTIONS UNDERNEATH THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE AND EXPLORE THE PURCHASE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS IF THE CCE PROGRAM IS NOT REACHING ITS 2035 GOAL. THAT'S THAT ONE MEASURE THAT WE HAVEN'T STARTED YET SINCE. IT'S 2023 NOW AND 2035 IS STILL A WAYS AWAY. AS FAR AS FUTURE THINGS RELATED TO CHANGING THAT MEASURE, THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE, SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS RELATED TO 100 PERCENT RENEWABLE. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. SOME OF THESE ARE ABSOLUTES, LIKE HAVING A GOAL OF A ZERO WASTE TARGET, NO WASTE TARGET AND THAT INCORPORATE OUR ORGANIC WASTE RECYCLING. HOW HAS THAT BEEN INCORPORATED IN OUR RECENT VERSION OF THE CAP? >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE NO SOLID WASTE MEASURES IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AS ADOPTED, NONE. IT HAS NOT BEEN INCORPORATED. THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'LL WANT TO CAPTURE IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATES AND SO OUR SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT DIVISION IS DOING A LOT OF WORK AROUND THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. IT JUST SEEMS THAT SIMILAR TO THE CCE DEVELOPMENT HAVING A CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE THAT MAYBE SOME OTHER PIECES OUT IN THE COMMUNITY OR AT THE STATE ORIGINALLY HAD BEEN MOVING A LITTLE FASTER THAN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE THEM AND SHOW THE POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE CLIMATE, SO WE NEED TO GO BACKWARDS AND GRAB THAT AND INCORPORATE THIS IN THERE. >> RIGHT. OUR GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORIES STILL ACCOUNT FOR SOLID WASTE AND WASTEWATER EMISSIONS, SO IT'S STILL BEING COUNTED. IT'S JUST WE HAVE NO MEASURES THAT I'M REPORTING ON ANNUALLY IN FRONT OF YOU, RELATED TO SOLID WASTE. >> RIGHT. MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALL PART OF THIS. >> DEFINITELY. >> THEN TARGETS FOR ROOFTOP SOLAR. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MENTIONS OF PV AND HAVING SOLAR AND HAVING RENEWABLE ENERGIES HERE, BUT I THINK THAT SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED WAS ABOUT AVOIDING USING GRID ENERGY AT NIGHT, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY GENERATED BY GAS AND HAVING SOME ENERGY STORAGE. IS THAT SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED IN HERE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CONTEMPLATED? >> THAT WOULD FALL INTO THE POSSIBILITY FOR THE CAP UPDATE CATEGORY. >> THEN WE JUST HEARD IN THAT PUBLIC COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT AND I THINK USUALLY PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT LEAF BLOWERS, BUT IT MAY ALSO INCLUDE LAWNMOWERS AND THINGS AND HAVING NOT DIRTY DIESEL LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT. I KNOW THAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT LOOK AT THESE ISSUES. I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT AND HAVE CONSIDERED AS PART OF OUR CAP UPDATE AS WELL. >> DEFINITELY ON THE LIST AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME SAY THAT A LOT FOR THE CAP UPDATE. BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME STATE LEGISLATION RELATING TO BANNING THE SALE OF NEW GAS-POWERED LEAF BLOWERS. I THINK THAT TAKES EFFECT 2024, BUT I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK. >> GREAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, I'M SURE, HEARING MORE ABOUT AND INCLUDING IN OUR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS ON THIS. WE ALSO HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT THE TDM A LITTLE BIT AND HAVE WE LOOKED AT WAYS TO STRENGTHEN OUR TDM AND MAKE SURE THAT BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY I THINK IT'S THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF OFFICES AND PARKING LOTS. HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH A TDM PLAN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THE NEW UPDATE OR IS THAT ALREADY HAPPENING? >> I KNOW THAT THE TDM ORDINANCE, THE TEAM THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING IT, THEY DO SURVEYS. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO EXACTLY WHAT THOSE SURVEYS ARE ASKING, BUT THAT'S THEIR MAIN MECHANISM FOR DETERMINING HOW THE BUSINESSES ARE COMPLYING WITH THOSE TDM PLANS. YES, AGAIN, I WILL REPEAT MY FAVORITE PHRASE WHICH IS WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS AS AN OPTION FOR THE CAP UPDATE. >> THANK YOU. THEN WE HEARD TONIGHT AND WE HAVE HEARD AT PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT IDLING AT SCHOOLS, SCHOOL DROP-OFF AND PICK-UP SITES. OF COURSE, AROUND CHILDREN WITH DEVELOPING LUNGS, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS EXTRA GREENHOUSE GASES AROUND SCHOOLS. [02:50:03] IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT AS PART OF OUR CAP UPDATE PROHIBITING IDLING AROUND SCHOOLS? >> YEAH, IT'LL BE CONSIDERED. >> THEN AS FOR OUTREACH, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH AND I KNOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT AND SEEN. I'M LOOKING AT EMAILS THAT I'VE RECEIVED AND COMPILE THEM. PUBLIC OUTREACH EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE BENEFITS OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS. HAVE WE DONE PUBLIC OUTREACH ON THAT ISSUE? >> ON MY END FOR ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE IN GENERAL, I KNOW AND WITH THE HELP OF MS. MEDINA, MY COLLEGE CO FELLOW, WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF EVENTS JUST IN HER TIME HERE, AND NOT ALL OF THEM SHE PRESENTED ON. BUT MOST RECENTLY THE EARTH WEEK LUNCH AND LEARNS, I HAD A WHOLE SESSION DEDICATED TO THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD MAKE CHANGES TO OUR WEBSITE AND IMPROVE UPON, AND ALSO IN THE CAP UPDATE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EMBED WITHIN THE PLAN ITSELF. MAYBE IT'S LIKE A CALL-OUT BOX NEXT TO A MEASURE THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS MEASURE IS ABOUT PLANTING TREES. WHY DON'T YOU GO PLANT A TREE? THINGS LIKE THAT. >> NO. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU FOR THE INNOVATIVE THINKING AROUND THAT AND ALSO INCORPORATING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING. SPEAKING OF PLANNING TREES, I KNOW FOR ARBOR DAY, I SAW A GREAT POST ABOUT A TREE PLANTING EVENT THAT WE HAD. JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEING A TREE CITY USA, BUT HAVING THAT WAY OF OF CAPTURING CARBON EMISSIONS THROUGH THE PLANTING OF MORE TREES IN OUR CITY. >> YES. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE WILL BE INCORPORATING INTO OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. >> GREAT. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALSO MENTIONING THE POTENTIAL OF DOING SOME MORE THINGS ON THE CITY WEBSITE ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE EXCELLENT OUTREACH AND THANK YOU TO OUR FELLOW AND TO OUR OTHER STAFF THAT I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES WITH A BOOTH AND WITH CREATIVE ACTIVITIES OUT AT COMMUNITY FAIRS AND OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS INCLUDING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THEY'RE GREEN BUSINESS EXPO. JUST SEEING OUR CITY REPRESENTED IN THAT WAY, SAYING WE CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE. I DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE LIST AND I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF FOR WORKING ON ALL THESE THINGS, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND I KNOW THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER ONE THAT I HAVEN'T BROUGHT UP NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE. BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING OUT THERE IN THE WORLD. OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING REALLY GREAT WORK AND WE CAN BORROW THE BEST IDEAS FROM OTHERS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. THANKS. >> MS. BHAT-PATEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ALL OF MY QUESTIONS WERE JUST ASKED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CAP, SOME PEOPLE SAY, THIS GLOBAL WARMING IS SILLY, WE'RE WASTING MONEY. REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO US BECAUSE THIS IS A STATE OR FEDERAL OR COUNTY MANDATED PROJECT. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS A MITIGATION MEASURE THAT WAS INCLUDED WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN WAS UPDATED IN 2015? >> IF WE WERE TO SAY NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY OF THAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, WHAT HAPPENS? WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES? >> WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS OF HAVING A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. EVEN CITY PROJECTS NEED TO RELY ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AS A MITIGATION MEASURE FOR SEQUEL. HAVING THIS UPDATED AND HAVING MITIGATION MEASURES ARE CURRENT, ARE CRITICAL IN ORDER FOR US TO RELY ON THAT FOR ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT. >> IF WE SAID NO TO OUR CAP, THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM MEETING OUR ARENA NUMBERS THAN WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE STATE. IS THAT ACCURATE? >> THE ISSUE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO ARENA. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT IN EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOP PROJECT OR CITY PROJECT, WOULD HAVE TO SEPARATELY, INDIVIDUALLY ANALYZE ITS IMPACTS RELATED TO GREENHOUSE GASES. IT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE BOTH IN THE ANALYSIS AS WELL AS THE MITIGATION AND GETS TIED TO THAT. HAVING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PROVIDES THAT PROTECTIVE UMBRELLA, IF YOU WILL, THAT ALLOWS YOU TO RELY ON THAT DOCUMENTS SO YOU CAN CHECK THE BOXING. SO LONG AS YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT ARE IN THE ADOPTED COUNT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, [02:55:03] THEN YOU CAN MOVE ON AND SAY THAT YOU'VE SATISFIED THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER STATE LAW. >> I REMEMBER RECENTLY THE COUNTY HAD A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THEY RAN INTO SOME ISSUES BECAUSE IT WASN'T ACCEPTED. COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY GIVE A RUNDOWN ON THAT? >> THE CITY ATTEMPTED A FEW TIMES TO ADOPT A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND GOT LITIGATED IN THE COURTS RULED THAT IT WAS THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WERE INSUFFICIENT TO COVER THE IMPACTS AND SO THEY REJECTED IT. THE COUNTY HAD TO ATTEMPT ANOTHER UPDATE TO THEIR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS. I THINK THERE WAS WORKING ON THEIR FOURTH VERSION OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. >>OKAY. I ASSUME WE'VE BEEN A LOT MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN THE COUNTY. >> YES. AS PREVIOUSLY, WE WERE NOT ONLY AT FIRST, BUT WERE THE FIRST TO HAVE A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT COULD BE RELIED ON FOR SEQUEL. THAT'S HUGE COMPLIMENTS FOR THE STAFF THAT WERE IN PLACE THAT ADOPTED THAT ORIGINAL COMMENT ACTION PLAN. WE'RE ANTICIPATING CONTINUE THAT WITH THE UPDATE. >> FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES TO NOT HAVING A SUCCESSFUL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. >> BESIDES FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL ONES, YES, THE PROCESS ONE IS ALSO AN ISSUE. >> THANK YOU. CLOSING STATEMENTS WE'LL START WITH MS. BOB PATEL. >> GREAT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE UPDATE ON THIS. I DEFINITELY DO THINK CLIMATE CHANGES IT'S REAL. IT EXISTS AND THE BLUFF COLLAPSES THAT WE JUST HAD. AGAIN, ON THE LOW SAND CORRIDOR, THE WEATHER CHANGES THAT WE SEE WITHIN OUR OWN CITY. THE GLOBAL WARMING, THE RE-EMERGING INFECTIOUS DISEASES, THE ANIMALS AND SPECIES BEING WIPED OUT. THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, WHETHER IT'S HERE LOCALLY OR THROUGHOUT OUR WORLD. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT AND EMPHASIZE THAT. I DO THINK THAT CARLSBAD BEEN A FIRST IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING HOW DO WE REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS? HOW DO WE CREATE POLICIES THAT IMPLEMENT CHANGE IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LEADING ON SUSTAINABILITY? OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR US TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND IMPROVE. DEFINITELY A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED OR QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WITH REGARDS TO HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN AND GROW. I KNOW YOU TOOK NOTE OF THOSE AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I DO HOPE THAT WE'LL THINK ABOUT WAYS TO CONTINUE TO ADD THOSE INTO THE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING HIGHLIGHTED. BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT FOR WHETHER IT'S IN THESE LAST FEW DAYS OR IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT FOR MANY YEARS AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON IT DILIGENTLY. JUST WANTING TO EMPHASIZE AND RE-EMPHASIZE WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THAT NEEDLE AND MOVE IT FORWARD. I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY GREATLY APPRECIATE. WITH THAT, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS ITEM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK ON THIS AND TO THE COMMUNITY, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR FEEDBACK. I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR POLICIES. THANKS. >> MS. ACOSTA. GREAT. THANK YOU. I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER BY THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS AND BY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES THAT WE HAD PASSED AS CLIMATE EMERGENCY. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING ALSO IN YOUR PRESENTATION IN 2021, WE DECLARED THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY HERE IN CARLSBAD. IT SEEMS LIKE WITH AN EMERGENCY, WE SHOULD TAKE DRASTIC ACTION. WE CERTAINLY DID WITH OUR STREETS EMERGENCY AND IT'S BEEN SLOW MOVING. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A BIG ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IN MANY DIFFERENT SMALLER WAYS. PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME OVER THE YEARS, I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, SORRY TO BORE YOU, IF I'M SAYING IT AGAIN. BUT PEOPLE SAY, WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT THIS BIG PROBLEM? SO MANY THINGS AND WE'RE DOING IT NOW. WE'RE DOING IT WITH OUR ORGANIC WASTE RECYCLING, WITH OUR GREEN BINS. WE'RE DOING IT EVERY TIME WE CHANGE OUR OLD COMBUSTION ENGINE CARS FOR A HYBRID OR AN ELECTRIC CAR, OR WHEN WE GET SOLAR ON OUR HOUSE. SOME OF THESE ARE BIGGER PURCHASES AND YOU HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO GET ALONE OR TRY TO GET A SUBSIDY. THANKFULLY, WE HAVE HAD SOME OF THOSE IN THE PAST. BUT OTHER THINGS, COMPOSTING, GARDENING, GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD. THERE'S SO MANY WAYS THAT WE CAN NOT EVEN NOT USING PESTICIDES AT THE CITY. I KNOW WE'VE GOT THAT PROGRAM AND MAYBE WE CAN STRENGTHEN THAT. BUT EVEN IN OUR OWN HOMES NOT USING PESTICIDES. THERE ARE MANY WAYS THAT WE CAN INDIVIDUALLY TAKE ACTION AND THERE ARE MANY MORE WAYS THAT THE CITY CAN TAKE ACTION. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO STRENGTHENING THE CAP. I THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. IT'S REALLY ABOUT NOT JUST ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, BUT HAVING A CLEAN AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY FOR OURSELVES, FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. WHAT WE DO NOW REALLY MATTERS ON THIS ISSUE. I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING A STRONGER CAP IN THE FUTURE. THANKS. [03:00:02] >> MS. BURKHOLDER, PLEASE. >> THAT WAS VERY PASSIONATE. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY I HAVE SOLAR AND ELECTRIC OVENS BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG ISSUE, BUT I THINK I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ENFORCER OF THE MOMS IDLING THEIR CARS AT PICKUP. [LAUGHTER] I WOULD NOT WANT THAT JOB FOR ANYTHING. BUT I'M ALL FOR THAT. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. DEFINITELY, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. I THINK IT'S JUST A BROADER PICTURE AND IT DIALS DOWN TO WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL CAN DO. THANK YOU FOR THIS REPORT AND I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE. >> MS. LUNA. >> WE HAVE A GREAT RESOURCE HERE, SITTING HERE, COUNSELOR KEMP OR LAND-USE ATTORNEY.I KNOW MR. MURPHY GAVE A VERY GOOD ANSWER TO OUR MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE REQUESTING. MR. KEMP, I'D LIKE TO THROW MY COMMENTS SECTION OVER TO YOU TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD. >> NO, THERE ISN'T A WAITING WITH BATED BREATH FOR THE NEXT ITEM. [LAUGHTER] >> EXCELLENT. I NEED A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION, PLEASE. >> YES. MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. [10. ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW BUILDINGS IN CARLSBAD] ITEM NUMBER 10, CITY MANAGER. >> WELL, I HAVE TO WAIT A LONG TIME FOR KATIE TO GET INTO HER POSITION AS THE SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER. BUT KATIE WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE ELECTRIFICATION IN NEW BUILDINGS AND CARLSBAD. >> HELLO AGAIN. WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO IT. IN THIS PRESENTATION, I WILL START WITH THE BACKGROUND OF THE ITEM AND ASSOCIATED REPORT. THEN COVER THE REPORT, OUTLINE KEY FINDINGS FROM THE REPORT, OVERVIEW OF THE RECENT CASE LAW, PRESENT OPTIONS, AND THEN STAFFS RECOMMENDED ACTION. FOR BACKGROUND ON APRIL 19TH, 2022 A MINUTE MOTION WAS MADE BY CITY COUNCIL DURING AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM ON ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW BUILDINGS. THAT MOTION DIRECTED STAFF TO "RESEARCH OPTIONS TO ADD AN ORDINANCE ADDRESSING ELECTRIFICATION IN NEW BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD TO THE NEXT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN DRAFT IN 2023." BASED ON THAT MOTION, STAFF UTILIZE AN EXISTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE ENERGY POLICY INITIATIVES CENTER OR EPIC TO PREPARE THIS REPORT, WHICH WAS TO INCLUDE THE INFORMATION REQUESTED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE APRIL 19TH, 2022 MEETING. THE INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED SHAPE THE OUTLINE OF THE REPORT AND INCLUDED OPTIONS RELATED TO NEW BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION ORDINANCES, WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING RELATED TO BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION, ISSUES RELATED TO WORKERS, JUST TRANSITION AND EQUITY, POSSIBLE COST TO CUSTOMERS, GRID INFRASTRUCTURE AND RELIABILITY, COST-EFFECTIVENESS STUDIES, AN ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS IMPACTED, AND AN ESTIMATE OF THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCED FROM SUCH AN ORDINANCE. THE REPORT PREPARED BY EPIC EVALUATED THREE PATHWAYS FOR ALL ELECTRIC NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH ARE OUTLINED ON THIS SLIDE. I FLIPPED MY NOSE TOO SOON. THE NEXT THREE SLIDES PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF EACH PATHWAY. EACH OF THESE SLIDES HAS A TABLE WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE MECHANISM, TIMEFRAME, AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR ADOPTION, ESTIMATED GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS AND COSTS FOR NATURAL GAS MORATORIUM. SOME HIGHLIGHTS OR THAT IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 6-12 MONTHS TO DEVELOP AND ADOPT AND WOULD BE EFFECTIVE. ONES FILED WITH THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS WOULD BE HIGHER THAN BASELINE, AND UPFRONT COSTS FOR MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THOSE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY. FOR THE SECOND PATHWAY OR ADOPTING AN ALL ELECTRIC GOOD DEFINITION TO MINIMUM CODE USING COW GREEN OR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AUTHORITY, THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES WITH THE TIME-FRAME GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION AND COSTS THAT WERE ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. THE MECHANISM IS REALLY WHAT CHANGES. THE THIRD PATHWAY WOULD BE ADOPTING AN ALL ELECTRIC REACH CODE. SOME HIGHLIGHTS ARE THAT ON TOP OF DEVELOPING AND HAVING CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER 2-6 MONTHS FOR THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION TO IMPROVE THE REACH CODE. IT WILL REQUIRE A COST-EFFECTIVENESS STUDY. THOUGH THERE ARE SOME EXISTING STUDIES AVAILABLE STATEWIDE. IT WOULD RESULT IN THE GREATEST GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS OF THE THREE PATHWAYS EXPLORED. AGAIN, THE UPFRONT COSTS WOULD BE HIGHER FOR MULTIFAMILY THAN FOR SINGLE-FAMILY BUILDINGS. [03:05:05] OTHER CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT WERE GRID RELIABILITY, WORKFORCE AND EQUITY, AND A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF THAT IS ON THIS SLIDE. WHILE ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW BUILDINGS IS NOT EXPECTED TO POSE A GRID RELIABILITY ISSUE, FURTHER ANALYSIS MAY BE REQUIRED. UNTIL 2030 DISPLACEMENT OF CURRENT NATURAL GAS RELATED WORKFORCE IS NOT EXPECTED, BUT BEYOND THAT, A TRANSITION WOULD BE NEEDED AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO'S REGIONAL DECARBONIZATION FRAMEWORK HAS MUCH MORE ANALYSIS ON THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC. FOR EQUITY, THOSE HIGHER COSTS FOR MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS AND OTHER COST CHANGES DO POSE AN EQUITY CONCERN THAT WOULD REQUIRE FURTHER CONSIDERATION. ON APRIL 17TH, 2023, THE 9TH CIRCUIT DECISION ON THE CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION VERSUS CITY OF BERKELEY NATURAL GAS BANNED CASE WAS RELEASED. THIS DECISION HELD THAT THE FEDERAL ENERGY POLICY AND CONSERVATION ACT PREEMPTS THE CITY OF BERKELEY 2019 ORDINANCE PROHIBITING THE INSTALLATION OF NATURAL GAS PIPING WITH A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED BUILDINGS. SINCE THIS DECISION CAME OUT AFTER THE EPIC REPORT WAS FULLY COMPLETED AND MIDWAY THROUGH THE DOCKETING PROCESS FOR THIS ITEM, STAFF DECIDED TO STILL PRESENT THE ITEM TODAY TO BEST UTILIZE STAFF TIME AND THE MONEY THAT HAD GONE INTO PREPARING THE ITEM PRIOR TO APRIL 17TH. THE CASE IS CURRENTLY REMANDED TO DISTRICT COURT AND THE CITY OF BERKELEY HAS UNTIL MAY 31ST, 2023 TO FILE FOR A REHEARING. IF THAT IS GRANTED, THE CASE WILL GO BEFORE A LARGER PANEL AT THE 9TH CIRCUIT AND IF IT IS NOT GRANTED, THE CURRENT RULING STANDS. THERE IS A VIABLE PATHWAY THAT'S STILL COMPLIES WITH THE 9TH CIRCUIT'S OPINION, WHICH IS TO USE A REACH CODE. THIS WOULD SET HIGHER BUILDING EFFICIENCY AND DOES NOT REQUIRE ALL ELECTRIC NEW CONSTRUCTION, THOUGH IT CAN PREFER ALL ELECTRIC CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT MANDATING THE TYPE OF ENERGY USE. PATHWAYS 1 AND 2 WOULD BE VIABLE ONLY IF THE BERKELEY CASE IS OVERTURNED. GIVEN THE 9TH CIRCUIT COURT'S RULING, STAFF ARE REQUESTING THE CITY COUNCILS DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED. STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS. CONTINUE IMPLEMENTING COUNCILS APRIL 19, 2022 MOTION, TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION, WAIT FOR UPDATES TO THE CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION VERSUS CITY OF BERKELEY CASE OR PROCEED WITH OTHER DIRECTION PROVIDED BY COUNSEL. THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM IS TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE, REVIEW OPTIONS, AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON HOW TO PROCEED RELATED TO ELECTRIFICATION IN NEW BUILDINGS IN THE NEXT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN DRAFT IN 2023. THANK YOU. >> SPEAKERS, PLEASE. >> LINDA DANIEL FOLLOWED BY MIKE BORRELLO. >> HELLO. I'M LINDA DANIEL'S MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I COME HERE ALMOST EVERY MONTH AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THINGS IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT. I'VE BEEN AT CARLSBAD RESIDENTS FOR 10 YEARS. BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I'M A MEMBER OF THE SAN DIEGO BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION COALITION, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF ALMOST 40 GREEN ORGANIZATIONS FROM THE SURF RIDERS TO THE 350 SAN DIEGO TO THE SIERRA CLUB AND GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL AND CLEAN AIR FOR KIDS, WHICH REALLY WANTS TO STOP THE IDLING OF THE CARS OUTSIDE OF SCHOOLS. SDBEC, WE CALL OURSELVES ADVOCATES FOR ELECTRIFYING BUILDINGS IN THE SAN DIEGO AREA IN AN EFFORT TO STOP THE WORST EFFECTS OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE. A BUILDING ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE PASSED, A REACH CODE, TO REQUIRE ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION TO BE ELECTRIC. ANTHONY THIS IS LINDA BEACH NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO. THE STATE IS NOT ONLY REQUIRING SOLAR PANELS NOW ON ALL ROOFTOPS, BUT IN JANUARY 2023, COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, THEY STARTED REQUIRING THERE'LL BE STORAGE AND ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION AFTER THE SOLAR PANELS ARE THERE BECAUSE AS WE WELL KNOW WE OVERPRODUCE ENERGY DURING THE DAY AND SUNNY SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ELECTRICITY IN THE EVENINGS. WE NEED TO ELECTRIFY BUILDINGS, SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-FAMILY, COMMERCIAL, AND GOVERNMENT. THERE'S THE EXPECTATION THAT THE 2025 STATE BUILDING CODES WILL MANDATE THIS. WE NEED TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON ALL GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. [03:10:01] WE'VE DOING THAT WITH THE SCHOOLS. WE PASSED A BOND MEASURE TO DO THAT THREE YEARS AGO WHEN IT'S BEING DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU-ALL KNOW,, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE SAN DIEGO UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT? THEY PASSED A RESOLUTION TO REQUIRE ALL NEW BUILDINGS TO BE ELECTRIC. I WAS THERE AT THE BOARD MEETING ON NORMAL STREET WHEN THEY DID THAT AND AS PART OF THE BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION COALITION THAT I'M PART OF. I WAS VERY EXCITED AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS. I'M LEAVING A COPY FOR YOU JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO READ IT. IT'S VERY EXCITED. I CAN TELL YOU WERE SITTING THERE AND GOING, OH MY GOD. ANYWAY. [LAUGHTER] BUILDINGS MAKE UP APPROXIMATELY 30% OF GHG EMISSIONS. IN CALIFORNIA, ALL POWER IS TO BE GENERATED FROM RENEWABLES BY 2045. REMOVING NATURAL GAS, WHICH IS METHANE AND NITROUS OXIDE FROM BUILDINGS, MEANS MUCH CLEANER BUILDINGS AS THE GREATEST POWER BY MORE RENEWABLES. CAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST IN THE STATE IN 2019 TO HAVE A REACH CODE THAT ALLOWED FOR WATER HEATERS TO BE PUTTING ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE NEED TO DO THE SAME FOR THE ENTIRE HOME. THERE ARE GREAT SUBSTITUTES FOR GAS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE GET THE HINT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I BELIEVE MIKE BORRELLO HAS LEFT, SO VANESSA FORSYTHE AND FOLLOWED BY PAIGE CASINO. >> I'M VANESSA FORSYTHE. I DON'T WANT TO REITERATE WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID. I THINK THAT THE BUILDINGS BEING SET UP TO PROVIDE FOR ELECTRICITY IS THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO GO. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WE USE THE REACH ALTERNATIVE TO GET US THERE. THERE ARE A GREAT SUBSTITUTES FOR GAS APPLIANCES. IN OUR HOME WE COULDN'T AFFORD AT THIS POINT TO GET SOLAR, BUT WE DID GET AN INDUCTION STOVE TOP AND WE JUST RECENTLY GOT A HEAT PUMP. WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS WAYS OF GETTING TO THE POINT OF NOT USING GAS. BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO PUT GAS LINES RATHER THAN ELECTRIC INTO NEW BUILDINGS, INTO NEW HOMES, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THERE WHEN WE NEED TO IN TERMS OF THE CLEAN ENERGY. THANK YOU. >> HELLO AGAIN, PAIGE TICINO. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS BUILDING SAFETY MONTH. YOU JUST HAD A RESOLUTION. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT ALL ELECTRIC BUILDINGS ARE SAFER WITHOUT THAT NATURAL GAS IN THEM. KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS. I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS A YEAR AGO, THE BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PRESENTATION WANTED TO ADDRESS BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION IN THE CAP. YES, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CAP. BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS IT IN TERMS OF AN ORDINANCE SOONER THAN LATER. YOU HAVE FOUR OPTIONS PRESENTED BY CITY STAFF. AS I SAID EARLIER, CURRENT AND IMPENDING IMPACTS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE REQUIRE US TO TAKE ACTION NOW, WE DO NOT WANT TO WAIT TO START WRITING UP BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION ORDINANCES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION LATER AS IT TAKES MONTHS FOR THAT PROCESS TO BE COMPLETING IT AND KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IS NOT THE WAY THAT ANYONE WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS SERIOUS THREAT. DOING NOTHING OR NOT TAKING FURTHER ACTION, AS I THINK ONE OPTION IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. WAITING FOR THE RESOLUTION OF THE BERKELEY CASE COULD MEAN MONTHS OF DELAY. I THINK AS VANESSA POINTED OUT, THE REACH CODE APPROACH IS A GOOD ONE. THAT SEEMS TO BE LEGALLY THE BEST ROUTE. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, I ASSUME CONTINUING TO IMPLEMENT THE APRIL 12TH, 2022 MOTION MEANS MOVING AHEAD WITH AN ORDINANCE, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE AND THAT IS WHAT THIS YEAR CLUB IS RECOMMENDING, SO WE DON'T LOSE ANY MORE TIME. WE DO NEED TO ACT AS IF THIS IS A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. THANK YOU. >> MARY HASSING, FOLLOWED BY KELLY LIEBERTHAL. >> MAYOR, BLACKBURN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS MARY HASSING AND I'VE LIVED HERE IN CARLSBAD FOR 17 YEARS. I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO SUPPORT ELECTRIFICATION IN NEW RESIDENTIAL, [03:15:05] MULTI-FAMILY, AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. WE HERE CAN'T SOLVE OR CHANGE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR CLIMATE IN THE WIDER WORLD, BUT WE CAN CHANGE WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN OUR CITY WHEN WE KNOW THAT BUILDINGS MAKE UP ABOUT 30% OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, SECOND ONLY TO TRANSPORTATION. THAT'S A CLEAR CALL TO ACTION. NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH ELECTRICITY INSTEAD OF GAS LINES WILL HELP US GAIN CLEANER AIR TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL OF US WHO LIVE AND WORK IN CARLSBAD. RECENT STUDIES SHOW THAT BURNING GAS IN OUR HOMES LEADS TO SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR AIR QUALITY AND GAS STOVES ARE LEADING CONTRIBUTOR TO CHILDHOOD ASTHMA. TECHNOLOGIES LIKE ELECTRIC HEAT PUMP, WATER HEATERS, INDUCTION STOVES, THEY'RE BETTER FOR OUR HEALTH AND CLIMATE, FAR MORE EFFICIENT THAN GAS APPLIANCES, AND ARE COST-EFFECTIVE. HEAT PUMPS, SPACE CONDITIONERS, HEAT AND COOL HOMES AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR A SEPARATE AIR CONDITIONER. RIGHT NOW, TECH CLEAN CALIFORNIA OFFERS ONLINE INFORMATION ON REBATES FOR THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO REPLACE OUR GAS APPLIANCES FOR ELECTRIC. WITH NEW TECHNOLOGIES LIKE THESE, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE BUILDINGS THAT ARE HEALTHIER FOR OUR FAMILIES AND OUR PLANET. IN THE SPIRIT OF THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION THAT YOU'VE PASSED A YEAR-AND-A-HALF AGO, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT ELECTRIFICATION IN NEW BUILDINGS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. >> HELLO AGAIN. WE'RE TOLD WE SHOULD GO TO ALL-ELECTRIC CARS AND TRUCKS, ALL-ELECTRIC STOVES AND OVENS, YET CALIFORNIA CAN'T EXPERIENCE A HEATWAVE WITHOUT ISSUING STATE ORDERS TO CUT ELECTRICITY USAGE. USE LESS AIR CONDITIONING, REFRAIN FROM CHARGING ELECTRIC VEHICLES, CONSERVE ENERGY BETWEEN 4:00 AND 9:00, AND EVEN IF POSSIBLE, DON'T USE ELECTRICITY AT ALL DURING THE HEATWAVE. THESE ARE ACTUAL CALIFORNIA'S STATE ORDERS. LESS THAN ONE WEEK AFTER GOVERNOR NEWSOM ORDERED A PROHIBITION ON THE SALE OF GAS-POWERED AUTOS BY 2035, CALIFORNIA ENERGY PROVIDERS ANNOUNCED THEY COULD NOT PROVIDE THE NECESSARY ELECTRICITY TO POWER WHAT THE STATE NEEDS NOW, LET ALONE ADDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CHARGING STATIONS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. I WAS GLAD TO SEE STAFFS OPTION TO COUNSEL ON NUMBER 3, WAIT FOR UPDATES TO THE CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION VERSUS CITY OF BERKELEY CASE. THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. COOKING ELECTRIC WILL DEVASTATE THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY WHICH WAS DEVASTATED BY GOVERNMENT LOCKDOWNS IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE'LL NOW BE DEVASTATED BY GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AND VIRTUE SIGNALING. ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH ELECTRIC, ANOTHER FALSE NARRATIVE IS HOW CLEAN IT IS AND THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT RADICALLY REDUCES CO_2 EMISSIONS REGARDING THE BATTERIES THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND OTHER SOLAR NEEDS. THE RELEVANT AND SURPRISING EMISSIONS WILDCARD COMES FROM THE GARGANTUAN ENERGY-HUNGRY PROCESSES NEEDED TO MAKE EV BATTERIES. THE TRUTH IS THAT SOLAR, WIND, AND BATTERY EQUIPMENT IS BUILT IN UNETHICAL LABOR CONDITIONS, DEPENDS ON SUPPLIES OVER WHICH CHINA HAS A STRANGLEHOLD, AND RISKS SHIFTING MINING FROM OVERLY REGULATED WESTERN COUNTRIES TO SUCH LAWLESS NATIONS AS MYANMAR, ZAMBIA, AND THE CONGO. SOLAR AND WIND ARE NOT RELIABLE AND CAN ONLY BE COUNTED ON FOR A FRACTION OF THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO POWER OUR TOWN AND OUR STATE. IF CARLSBAD WANTS TO PURSUE CLEAN ENERGY, LET'S DO IT BUT WE NEED TO EXPLORE RELIABLE AND CLEAN OPTIONS LIKE NUCLEAR AND OTHER SOURCES. THANK YOU. >> TAMARA DICKSON. >> HI, I'M TAMARA G KELLY, YOU TOOK MY WHOLE SPEECH. THANK YOU. I GUESS I REALLY DON'T NEED TO SPEAK THAT MUCH, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY IN CONSIDERATION OF THE ELECTRIC CAR OR A VEHICLE, [03:20:05] I CAME UPON THIS ARTICLE CALLED BLOOD COBALT AND IT'S ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES ON THE EARTH, LET'S SEE, THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO. WHAT THESE KIDS AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO DO IS JUST UNCONSCIONABLE. I HAVE MY CELL PHONE. THIS IS FROM THEM AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY MAKE US HAVE A BETTER LIFE WHEN THEY JUST HAVE A REALLY SUCKY LIFE. THINK ABOUT IT WHEN YOU BUY A CELL PHONE, WHICH EVERYBODY HAS BUT THINK ABOUT IT WHEN YOU HAVE AN EV, THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO RUN THAT AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THE GRID GOES DOWN? I WON'T BE ABLE TO DRIVE MINE, BUT ACTUALLY, I DON'T WANT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE. I LIKE MY SUBURBAN. THANK YOU. >> THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. >> QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL WILL START WITH YOU, MS. LUNA. I'M SORRY, MY BODY WASN'T DESIGNED TO SIT THIS LONG. I HAVE TO STAND FOR JUST A MOMENT. MS. BERKELEY. >> NO QUESTIONS. JUST MAYBE A COMMENT. >> TERESA ACOSTA. >> THANK YOU. YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT THIS MAY BE THE PART WHERE WE ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR SOME CLARIFICATION. BUT MAYBE I'LL ADDRESS IT TO MISS HENDRICK AND THEN IF YOU NEED THE LEGAL COUNSEL TO WIN LET US KNOW. IN READING THE REPORT FROM THE CONSULTANTS, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT PATHWAY NUMBER 2, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY SAID THAT'S VIABLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BERKELEY DECISION IS THAT SO? BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT PATHWAY NUMBER 2, THE REACH CODE, ONE, WOULD STILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS BERKELEY COURT CASE. [LAUGHTER] >> I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. KEMP AND I ALSO HAVE [INAUDIBLE] HERE FROM THE ENERGY POLICY INITIATIVES CENTER AND HE CAN FOLLOW UP IF MR. KEMP DOESN'T COVER IT. >> THANK YOU. >> WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE PER-CLICK CASE A LITTLE BIT. BERKELEY IN 2019 PASSED AN ORDINANCE BANNING GAS PIPELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. THEY WERE CHALLENGED BY THE CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. THEY WERE CHALLENGED IN A FEDERAL COURT, NOT A CALIFORNIA COURT AND THE FEDERAL COURT BECAUSE THEY WERE CLAIMING THAT IT WAS PREEMPTED BY FEDERAL LAW. THE FEDERAL LAW THAT THEY SAID WAS PREEMPTING SETS STANDARDS FOR GAS APPLIANCE EFFICIENCY. WHAT THAT LAW SAID, YOU CAN HAVE A NATURAL GAS, WATER HEATER, STOVE, WHATEVER APPLIANCE IT WOULD BE, AS LONG AS IT MEANT THE EFFICIENCY STANDARDS THAT THE FED SET. THE ARGUMENT WAS, FEDERAL LAW SAYS YOU CAN HAVE THESE THINGS. THEREFORE WHEN BERKELEY PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT SAID, YOU CAN'T HAVE NATURAL GAS, NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU ARE EFFECTIVELY BANNING THE USE OF THOSE APPLIANCES. THE APPELLATE COURT SAID, YOU CAN'T DO INDIRECTLY, WHICH YOU COULDN'T OTHERWISE DO DIRECTLY. SAID WHAT YOU ARE IN EFFECT DOING IS BANNING THE USE OF THOSE APPLIANCES. THE PROCEDURAL STATUS OF THAT KEYS RIGHT NOW IS YOU HAVE AN OPINION BY A THREE-JUDGE PANEL THAT SAYS THAT BERKELEY HAS TILL THE END OF THE MONTH TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN INBOX HEARING, WHICH WOULD BE THE NINTH DISTRICT IS QUITE A LARGE DISTRICT. THERE'S 29 JUDGES, BUT AN INBOUND HEARING WOULD BE TO HAVE 11 JUDGES HEAR THE CASE AGAIN. ONE THING I DO WANT TO CORRECT WITH WHAT KATIE HAD SAID WAS BERKELEY HAS TILL THE END OF THE MONTH TO ASK FOR A REHEARING. IF THEY DO NOT ASK FOR IT, IT IS THE LAW, AND ANY ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN PASSED, WHETHER IT'S BERKELEY'S SOLANA BEACH, WHOEVER WOULD BE PREEMPTED BY FEDERAL LAW. IF WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE PREEMPTED BY FEDERAL LAW. [03:25:03] BUT WHEN THE COURT DECIDES WHETHER THEY WANT TO TAKE IT UP IN BANC, THEY CAN EITHER KEEP THE OPINION OF THE THREE PANEL IN PLACE WHILE THEY DECIDED AS 11 OR THEY CAN RESEND IT. WE CHECKED WITH AN APPELLATE SPECIALIST IN OUR OFFICE AND THERE IS AN EITHER-OR THERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WOULD DECIDE TO KEEP THAT IN BANC OPINION IN PLACE OR NOT. THE ONLY CERTAINTY WE WOULD GET AT THE END OF THE MONTH WOULD BE AS BERKELEY DOES NOTHING AND THEN IT JUST STAYS IN PLACE. IF THE EN BANC PANEL DECIDES TO HEAR IT, IT COULD BE ANOTHER YEAR OR SO BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE. WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THE EN BANC PANEL MAKES THEIR MIND UP WHETHER THE OTHER DECISION WOULD BE IN PLACE OR NOT. THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF FLUX. WE DO SEE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, NEW YORK STATE, FOR EXAMPLE JUST LAST WEEK, PASSED AN ORDINANCE DOING THIS VERY SAME THING. THEY'RE NOT BOUND BY A NINTH CIRCUIT COURT CASE IN CALIFORNIA, BUT IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THE FLUX THAT'S SURROUNDING THIS RIGHT NOW. IN REGARDS TO OPTION NUMBER 2, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD BE BANNING NATURAL GAS APPLIANCES OR MAYBE PIPING FOR THAT, IT WOULD BE AS OF THIS EVENING PREEMPTED. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN BY THE END OF THE MONTH. >> THANK YOU. PATHWAY TO, IN LIGHT OF THE BERKELEY CASE, MIGHT NOT BE A WORKAROUND FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW BUILDINGS. >> TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN BE CONSTRUED AS BANNING THE USE OF NATURAL GAS APPLIANCES. >> I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM EN BANC BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW I READ THE REPORT. IS THAT WHAT EPIC OR CONSULTANTS' CONCLUSIONS WERE AS WELL? >> AGAIN, THE REPORT PREDATES THE DECISION. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING FROM KATIE IS THAT THE THREE OPTIONS [OVERLAPPING] >> PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> SORRY. MY NAME IS JOE KAATZ FROM THE STAFF ATTORNEY AT THE ENERGY POLICY INITIATIVES CENTER. I WROTE THE REPORT. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, WE EVALUATED THESE OPTIONS BASED ON EXISTING LAW, THE PREDATES THE BERKELEY OPINION. WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM KATIE IS A THIRD RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THERE'S ONE OPTION IS TO USE REACHED CODES THAT DO NOT DEFINE ALL ELECTRIC AND YOUR CONSTRUCTION, BUT PREFER IT. UNTIL WE HAVE CERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHETHER ITS OPINION STANDS OR NOT, IT'S GOING TO BE REHEARD. THAT IS THE OPTION YOU'VE ALREADY EXERCISED. YOU ALREADY HAVE A REACH CODE. IT WOULD BE CONTINUING THAT PATHWAY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN. THAT'S THE MOST CERTAIN OPTION. BUT IF THERE'S OPINION GETS OVERTURNED BY EN BANC PANEL, THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE RACES IN TERMS OF ALL-ELECTRIC. DOES THAT CLARIFY? >> I THINK YOU JUST RAISED ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME. CAN WE EXTEND OUR REACH CODE TO BROADEN THE SCOPE RIGHT NOW TO PLACE THE WATER HEATERS? >> THE REACH CODES, YOU HAVE TO RENEW THEM EVERY THREE YEARS. BECAUSE THE STATE CODE CHANGES EVERY THREE YEARS. WITHIN THAT CODE CYCLE, YOU CAN UPDATE IT EVERY THREE YEARS AND YOU CAN HAVE IT READY TO GO ON WHEN THAT NEW CODE CYCLE TAKES EFFECT. WITHIN THAT, WHAT'S FLEXIBLE AND WHAT THE DPCA ALLOWS IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A PERFORMANCE STANDARD, WHICH LOOKS A LOT LIKE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. YOU DON'T WANT TO BAN NATURAL GAS, BUT THROUGH THE PERFORMANCE AND THE MARGINS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU WOULD PREFER AN APPLICANT TO TAKE A PATH TO ALL-ELECTRIC. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH THAT EFFICIENCY STANDARD AND THE ENERGY STANDARD AND THE PERFORMANCE MARGIN IN THE REACH CODE, BY DOING NATURAL GAS, THEY COULD DO IT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY. THAT'S THE WAY THE EXISTING STATE CODE WORKS. THAT'S THE WAY MOST REACH CODES WORK. BUT EVERY THREE YEARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND RE-ADOPT AND STAND IN FRONT OF THE STATE. >> THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE WHO TO DIRECT THIS QUESTION TO, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY OUT MY QUESTION AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHO'S THE RIGHT PERSON TO ANSWER. I HAD ALSO READ AN ARTICLE THAT HAD BEEN FORWARDED TO ME BY THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN NEW YORK VERY RECENTLY. [03:30:04] THEIR APPROACH IN NEW YORK WAS TO CREATE AN EMISSION STANDARD THAT WAS VERY STRICT FOR NEW BUILDINGS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF NEW YORK, NOT THE STATE. >> NEW YORK CITY, NYC. IS THAT POSSIBLE? I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE REPORT, BUT I SAW IT IN THE ARTICLE THAT I READ AND IT WAS SOMETHING BEING FORWARDED TO ME BY THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING DECARBONIZATION COALITION, WHICH IS WORKING ON THIS WITH CITIES IN CALIFORNIA AS WELL. IS THAT DOABLE? >> DOING IT THROUGH A BUILDING CODE IS GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. THE CITY OF NEW YORK HAS DIFFERENT AUTHORITY THAN YOUR CITY. NEW YORK IS JURISDICTION-ONLY DIFFERENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE ENERGY CONTEXT. IT IS POSSIBLE TO CREATE A PERFORMANCE STANDARD AROUND GREENHOUSE GASES. THE QUESTION THEN IS, WHAT AUTHORITY ARE YOU USING TO DO IT? YOU'RE USING YOUR EXISTING HEALTH AND SAFETY AUTHORITY. NOBODY IN THE STATE HAS TESTED THAT YET. WE GENERALLY HAVEN'T TESTED IT BECAUSE THE STATE HAS A CAP AND TRADE PROGRAM, WE'RE TARGETING CERTAIN TYPES OF BIG EMISSION SOURCES. TAKING IT DOWN TO THE BUILDING LEVEL IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE OTHER MECHANISMS LIKE REACH CODES, ALL-ELECTRIC STANDARDS THAT WERE FINE UNTIL APRIL 17TH. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION TO LOOK AT. YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH THE NATURAL GAS SYSTEM AND WHAT AUTHORITY THE CITY MIGHT HAVE THERE, IN TERMS OF PRUNING THE SYSTEM OR PREVENTING NEW NATURAL GAS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS FROM GOING IN FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO LOOK AT. BUT IT'S UNTESTED WHETHER DOING A BUILDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WITH GREENHOUSE GASES. >> GREAT. >> WE SIMPLY HAVEN'T ANALYZED IT. AND I CAN JUST TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY BECAUSE I READ THE NEWS, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, THAT. THE AQMD IS LOOKING AT EMISSION STANDARDS, AND YOU KNOW CALIFORNIA'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE HEAVILY REGULATED STATES WITH A LOT OF ITS OWN REGULATORY BODIES THAT SOME OTHER STATES MAY NOT HAVE, AND SO, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO AIR POLLUTION AND AIR POLLUTION CONTROL, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN AREA WHERE A CITY WAITS IN MOST OFTEN THAT'S USUALLY GOING TO BE SOMEBODY LIKE AQMD. MAYBE SOME OF OUR FOLKS OUT THERE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN WHAT I KNOW. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT EMISSION STANDARDS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY INDIRECTLY CONTROL NATURAL GAS. >> YEAH, THEY THEY DID BECAUSE I WORKED ON THAT, THE INDIRECT SOURCE RULE IN SAN BERNARDINO. BUT HERE WE'VE GOT THE APCD, THE SAN DIEGO AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, AND I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD EVEN DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE. BUT JUST TO GO BACK TO OUR OPTIONS AND THE TIMELINE, I MEAN, I THINK THE TIMELINE THAT WAS LAID OUT, BERKELEY HAS UNTIL MAY 31ST TO PROTEST THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT. TO APPEAL THE APPEAL. >> WELL, TO ASK FOR A REHEARING BY A FULL PANEL. >> BECAUSE THERE WERE ONLY THREE JUDGES IN THIS LAST ONE. >> THAT'S THE TRADITIONAL WAY THEY DO IT. THEY ASSIGN IT TO THREE JUDGES. USUALLY PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH THAT RESULT AND THEY DON'T GO ON. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE LIKE THIS THAT HAS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY TO IT, YOU CAN HAVE THE EN BANC PANEL WEIGH IN AND GET A MORE SOLID DECISION. >> RIGHT NOW THEN WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS PROCESS TO BE HAPPENING, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ALL THE CITIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE ALREADY PASSED THIS, LIKE ANITA SINCE LONG BEACH THAT WERE MENTIONED IN OUR SELF-REPORT, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? IS EVERYONE JUST FROZEN IN PLACE OR ARE SOME OF THEM ABLE TO CONTINUE? I'M JUST CURIOUS. >> WELL, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO WHAT THE LAW SAYS. I DON T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PERSONALLY DOING, BUT CURRENTLY, ANYBODY WHO HAS PASSED A LOCAL ORDINANCE IS PREEMPTED FROM ENFORCING IT. I WOULD IMAGINE MOST OF THE ENTITIES ARE JUST IN A FREEZING POSITION BECAUSE THINGS COULD CHANGE IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS. BUT THEORETICALLY, CITIES WHO PASSED THIS CANNOT ENFORCE IT TODAY. >> WHAT I'M HEARING IS THIS LAST COURT DECISION BY THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS IS SO ALL ENCOMPASSING THAT EVERY SINGLE CITY IN CALIFORNIA THAT HAS PASSED ANY BANNING OF GAS OR ANY ELECTRIFICATION ENCOURAGEMENT [LAUGHTER] IS UNABLE TO DO THAT. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? >> I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE AS BROAD AS THAT. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHAT THIS DECISION DOES IS KEEP A CITY FROM IMPOSING [03:35:04] AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD RESTRICT THE USE OF NATURAL GAS APPLIANCES BEYOND WHAT IS SAID IN THE ENERGY, THE EPC, I COULD GO READ THE ACRONYM, AND IN THAT COURT INTERPRETED THE BANNING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF GAS LINES IS DOING INDIRECTLY WITH THEY COULDN'T OTHERWISE DO DIRECTLY. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> IT'S 70 JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF THEM ARE DOING. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY'RE PAUSING AND THEY'RE WAITING. AND EVEN BERKELEY, RIGHT, SO IT HASN'T GONE BACK TO THE DISTRICT COURT. YEAH. THEY'VE SENT IT THERE, BUT THE DISTRICT TOWARD HASN'T RULED TELLING BERKELEY THAT THEY ARE PULLING BACK THEIR ORDINANCE OR BERKELEY HAS THERE ITS SOME OTHER SET OF COUNCIL HAVE COME OUT SWINGING AND SAID THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP GOING AND THEY WANT TO APPEAL. BUT. >> YEAH. >> WE HAVEN'T HAD A VOTE ON THAT. >> YEAH. >> AND JUST FOR FUN. I CHECKED THE BERKELEY'S AGENDA FOR THEIR MEETING TODAY AND THEY HAD NO CLOSED SESSION SCHEDULED FOR IT, AND IT WAS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. BUT THEY'VE STILL GOT TWO OR THREE WEEKS, SO. >> SURE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY OPERATE OVER THERE. YEAH. IT DEFINITELY SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A BIT OF A SETBACK [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE A YEAR AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS A COUNCIL, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BEING ADOPTED BY MANY CITIES. THIS IS A WAVE. A LOT OF CITIES WERE CONSIDERING DOING THIS, AND SINCE THEN IT'S ANITA'S PAST THEIRS, AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD BE PART OF THAT EARLY ADOPTERS OF THIS PROGRAM. NOT THE FIRST, BUT ONE OF THE FIRST GROUP TO COME IN AND DO THIS BECAUSE WE DO CARE SO MUCH ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT. WE KNOW IN OUR COMMUNITY VISION THAT THREE OF THE NINE STATEMENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY VISION WERE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY WANTING TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE, TO HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE AND PARKS, AND TO CARE MORE ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND BE BETTER STEWARDS. WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY WANTS US, I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. THE COMMUNITY WANTS THIS AND I'M SO GLAD THAT I'M HERE TO BE A CHAMPION OF IT. BUT THIS IS A BIG SETBACK SO I UNDERSTAND THE INTEREST IN WAITING. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING NOW THAT WE CAN PUSH FORWARD UNTIL THE 31ST OF MAY, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S WHEN WE WILL KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF BERKELEY'S GOING TO FILE THE PAPERWORK THAT THEY NEED TO. >> YOU WON'T HAVE THE CERTAINTY MAY BE THAT YOU SEEK, BUT YOU'LL BE ONE STEP CLOSER TO IT. >> THE FILE FOR REHEARING UNDER THE KIDDING, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ISSUE WITHIN 21 DAYS, THEY CAN EXTEND THAT TO 35. THERE'S ALL OF THESE NINTH CIRCUIT PROCEDURES WHERE THEY CAN PUSH IT OUT ALMOST 200 DAYS BEFORE EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO REHEAR IT. >> I SEE IN THEIR OPTIONS NUMBER 1, CONTINUE IMPLEMENTING THE CITY COUNCIL APRIL 19, 2022 MOTION. WELL, WILL THAT EVEN BE, IF WE CAN'T CONTINUE IMPLEMENTING? >> THAT WAS A MINUTE MOTION. THE COUNCIL GAVE US AGAIN YES. YOUR MINUTE MOTION, AND THIS IS SOMETHING AGAIN, WE'RE RETURNING TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IT REALLY IS A RISK ASSESSMENT OF COUNCIL, IT'S A POLICY CALL. NOW, AGAIN, WE WOULD URGE CAUTION WHEN DISCUSSING THIS BECAUSE AS THE CITY ATTORNEY, I MENTIONED, IT'S UNENFORCEABLE, SO AS IT STANDS TODAY, IT WOULD BE UNENFORCEABLE. BUT IT IS A COUNCIL DIRECTION, AND AGAIN, WE DID WANT TO CIRCLE BACK BECAUSE AS WE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE MIDST WHILE WE WERE HAVING THIS DOCKET IT. >> WHAT I'M HEARING IS CIRCUMSTANCES WERE CHANGING AS WE WERE PUTTING THIS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS THING. WE CAN WAIT AND SEE, AND SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT AND LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE, LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE LEGALLY VIABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING WHICH IS TRY TO ENCOURAGE, AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE ELECTRIFICATION IN BUILDINGS. MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THAT, MAYBE AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION IS TO GET THE WORD OUT BETTER. WE HEAR HERE AT CITY COUNCIL FROM ADVOCATES WHO TELL US ABOUT THE ASTHMA FROM THE COOK STOVE TOP, THE METHANE THAT'S COMING OUT. BUT I DON'T THINK THE BROADER COMMUNITY HEARS THAT. MAYBE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS PUBLIC EDUCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON THIS RIGHT NOW AND WE WOULD NEED TO WAIT FOR UPDATES FOR US TO MAKE ANY SERIOUS MOVEMENT ON POLICY. >> IN COUNCIL ON THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD RETURN TO COUNCIL AND 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, [03:40:01] AND PROVIDED AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL. >> YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT AN UPDATE AFTER MARCH MAY 31ST IS THE BEST THING BECAUSE IF IT'S BEEN CONTESTED BY BERKELEY AND THEY'VE GOT GOOD LEGAL ARGUMENTS AND THIS MIGHT STILL BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO. I READ SOMEWHERE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CITIES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE DONE THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT CITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE WORKING ON THE SAME ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW. DID YOU HAVE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT, HOW MANY CITIES IN CALIFORNIA ARE WORKING ON THIS? >> JUST SHOWED ITS 70. >> 70 SOMETHING CITIES IN CALIFORNIA ALREADY DOING THIS. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT THE VERY FIRST [LAUGHTER] ONE'S DOING THIS OR THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS. I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY EARLY ADOPTERS WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GROUP NOW. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS DONE, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS BROUGHT BACK TO US SOON AFTER MAY 31ST. THANKS. >> WE PLEASE PUT THE SELECTIONS, THERE'S STILL FOUR SELECTIONS. >> YEAH. >> PLEASE BOB PATEL, YOUR TURN. >> GREAT. THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANKS TO THE SPEAKERS FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED EXTENSIVE PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THIS FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND I'M GOING TO COMBINE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS MARE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ALONG THE LINES SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I CAN EXPEDITIOUSLY DO THAT. BUT JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT CONSIDERING ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO INTO MOVING FORWARD WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT INCORPORATES ELECTRIFICATION. I KNOW ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS AROUND THE JUST TRANSITION OF WORKERS AND JUST IN GENERAL, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT CAME UP THAT I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING AND BRINGING UP. I HAVE MORE COMMENTS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, WELL, MORE THAN A COUPLE. I HAVE A FEW AND I'LL GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY. BUT ONE WAS AROUND. I KNOW IF WE LOOKED AT I BELIEVE IT WAS ALL ELECTRIC TO MINIMUM CODE ARE ALL ELECTRIC REACH CODE WHICH ARE EITHER PATHWAY TWO OR THREE. THERE WAS SOMETHING WITH REGARDS TO MULTIFAMILY THAT WAS MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY AROUND EQUITY AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT WOULD GET PASSED IN TERMS OF COST, IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT, TWO FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE RESIDING IN THOSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS. >> I'LL START. ALL THREE OF THE PATHWAYS ACTUALLY HAVE HIGHER BUILDING COSTS FOR MULTIFAMILY. NOT JUST ONE OF THE PATHWAYS. >> ALL THREE. >> IT WAS ALL THREE PATHWAYS. THEN AS FAR AS HOW THAT GETS PASSED ON NOW. >> IT IS ALSO FOR MULTIFAMILY SUPPORT PER UNIT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE NATURAL GAS PLUMBING. THERE'S A SAVINGS THERE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT BUILDINGS ARE BUILT, YOU CAN INCREASE THE CAPITAL COST PER UNIT. BECAUSE IT'S ELECTRIFIED, ELECTRIC RATES ARE HIGH, ESPECIALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL. YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING MORE ELECTRICITY. THE APPLIANCES WILL BE REALLY EFFICIENT, BUT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN ELECTRIC USE. THE NEXT CAVEAT ON THAT IS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH A RATE REFORM FOR RESIDENTIAL A LAW WAS PASSED, SO FIXED CHARGES ARE COMING ON. THE VOLUMETRIC CHARGES FOR TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION, ROUGHLY 75% OF THE BILLS, THOSE WILL GET SHIFTED ONTO A FIXED CHARGE BASED ON INCOME. DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PUC DOES WITH THAT, OUR RATES SHOULD STABILIZE AND COME DOWN. ELECTRIFICATION SHOULD GET STABILIZED, ESPECIALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL WANTS THE PUC ISSUES, THAT DECISION IN THE RATES COME OUT THROUGH THE UTILITIES. THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR IN THE REPORT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE RATES ARE GOING TO BE PUT. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'LL STOP ESCALATING FINALLY. >> YOU ANSWERED MY SECOND QUESTION, SPECIFICALLY AROUND THAT, WHICH WAS HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE OFFSETTING THAT FOR FOLKS THAT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING BEING ADOPTED, AND THAT SENDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO AFFORD IT IF WE DO END UP MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. >> BUT THE STATE AS WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON CUSTOMERS, ESPECIALLY LOW-INCOME CUSTOMERS, AND THE COST SHIFTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. LEGISLATURE ACTED AND THE PUC IS ACTING, IT WILL COME OUT AND IT'S ALSO DESIGNED TO INCENTIVIZE ELECTRIFICATION. BECAUSE IF WE PUT A CEILING ON OUR TRUCK, WE'RE BRINGING WEIGHTS BACK DOWN THAT ARE REASONABLE FOR CUSTOMERS. >> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR PUTTING, I KNOW YOU HAD BRIEFLY PUT IT UP THE ALTERNATIVE PATHWAY. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT. I THINK I SKIPPED OVER MY SECOND QUESTION. I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO I'M GOING THROUGH MY NOTES HERE. I GUESS, I'VE BEEN HEARING RUMBLINGS, [03:45:04] AND THIS MAY BE YOU ALL CAN SHINE SOME LIGHT ON IT. IS THERE A LAW THAT WE KNOW THAT MIGHT BE COMING THROUGH FROM THE STATE AT ANY POINT. I KNOW I GET THAT QUESTION ASKED A LOT. I FEEL LIKE I'VE HEARD RUMBLINGS THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN AT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ANYTIME SOON, BUT JUST CURIOUS IF YOU ALL, SINCE YOU ALL ARE VERY MUCH WELL IMMERSED IN THE SUBJECT MATTER, IF YOU KNOW IF IT'S COMING UP LIKE BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION THROUGHOUT COMING FROM THE STATE. >> I THINK THIS NINTH CIRCUIT OPINION IS GOING TO DICTATE WHAT THE STATE DOES. THE STATE HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY CAREFUL NOT TO STEP OVER THE LINE WITH BUILDING CODES. WE'VE INCREMENTALLY SHIFTED TOWARDS GOING TO WHAT LOOKS LIKE ELECTRIC PREFERRED. THE NEXT CODE CYCLES ARE GOING TO GET IT MORE STRINGENT. WHAT THE STATE IS DOING, WE HAVE GREENHOUSE GAS REGULATIONS. WHAT THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD IS DOING IS USING CLEAN AIR ACT AUTHORITY AND AIR QUALITY AUTHORITY TO START BANNING NATURAL GAS APPLIANCES. IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S IN FRONT OF THE EPA. THE STATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND THE CLEAN AIR ACT WITH A ZERO-EMISSION REQUIREMENT FOR APPLIANCES IS THERE SPECIFIC FOR HOT WATER. BUT IF THEY GET HOT WATER THERE AND EXPAND TO HEATING AND IT'S GOING TO GO FROM THERE. THERE'S THE BAY AREA QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, OR QUALITY MANAGEMENT HAS ALSO ADOPTED THE SAME THING. AGAIN, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT KNOCKS, ONE OF THE CRITERIA POLLUTANTS. ATTACKING NATURAL GAS FOR THE CRITERIA POLLUTANTS AND THE DELEGATED AUTHORITY FROM THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND THEN STATE AUTHORITY, IT ALLOWS US TO GO ABOVE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS SET BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE WAY THE STATE IS APPROACHING IT. I THINK IT'S DESIGNED TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY THROUGH BUILDING STANDARDS, AND THEN ELIMINATE GAS THROUGH AIR QUALITY STANDARDS THAT WILL ELIMINATE THIS CONFLICT WITH THE EPCA. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STATE STIPULATES. I'M NOT SURE IF LEGISLATION IS GOING TO COME THROUGH BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVE AGENCIES ARE ALREADY ACTING IN THIS PATHWAY AS DIRECTED BY THE GOVERNOR. >> THANK YOU. IT SOUNDS LIKE LOOKING AT WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF LEGAL THINGS GOING ON AND JUST IN GENERAL WITH REGARDS TO WHERE WE'RE AT AS A COUNCIL, AND OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T HEARD ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, BUT JUST THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD THUS FAR. THIS MIGHT BE AN ATTORNEY QUESTION. THE ALTERNATIVE OPTION THAT WE HAD UP COULD BE A POSSIBLE FEASIBLE PATHWAY FORWARD WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING ANYTHING FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE? >> I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS OTHER THAN [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I MEANT, I GUESS I'LL ANSWER WHAT I THINK IT IS WHICH IS PATHWAY 3 WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR SAFEST PATH TO GO DOWN WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT JEOPARDIZING THE DECISION BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S MANDATING. YOU HAVE TO GO TO NATURAL GAS, CORRECT? >> YEAH. >> IT JUST SETS ENERGY EFFICIENCY? >> YES. THE REPORT HAD NO ELECTRIC. THAT'S THE CONFUSION. THE REPORTS SAID, ALL-ELECTRIC. HOW DID WE GET THERE AT THREE PATHWAYS? THIS IS JUST USING YOUR EXISTING AUTHORITY TO ADOPT A REACH CODE, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY DONE UNDER THE EXISTING TRIANNUAL STATE CODE AND SKEWING IT. THERE'S A STATE REACHED CODES TEAM NOW THEY CAN BRING FORWARD WHAT YOU WANT TO REALLY FOCUS ON CERTAIN TYPES OF END-USERS THAT YOU WANT ELECTRIFIED BUT WITHOUT STEPPING OVER THIS LINE AND PREEMPTION. >> THIS IS BASICALLY PATHWAY 3 BUT MORPHED A BIT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. >> BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE AN ALL-ELECTRIC DEFINITION IN IT. >> GOT IT. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE HERE. LAST QUESTION AND THEN I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE TO SAY. BUT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS ARE VERY MUCH INVESTED IN WANTING TO SEE SOMETHING MOVE FORWARD. AT THE SAME TIME, OBVIOUSLY, AS A COUNCIL, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT'S GOING ON LEGALLY. IF WE WANTED TO, LET'S SAY IF THERE WAS APPETITE TO MOVE AT LEAST THIS OPTION FORWARD AND SOMETHING WERE TO COME OUT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO OR WHATEVER, WITH REGARDS TO THE BERKELEY CASE, WOULD WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ANY OF THIS OR ANY ANYTHING THAT'S UP HERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO? I JUST DON'T WANT TO WASTE STAFF, TIME, AND RESOURCES, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE OF THAT AS WELL. [03:50:03] >> I MEAN, AT THE END OF MAY, WILL KNOW WHAT BERKELEY IS GOING TO DO. WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THE NINTH CIRCUIT IS GOING TO DO. THIS PATHWAY EITHER WAY IS VIABLE. IF THE NINTH CIRCUIT TAKES THAT CASE AND IF THEY OVERTURN THE THREE-JUDGE PANEL, THEY RESEND THAT, THEN YOU CAN PUT IT IN ALL ELECTRIC DEFINITION INTO THAT REACH CODE. >> I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS SEEMS LIKE AND I APPRECIATE AGAIN THAT YOU ALL HAD THIS IN THERE, THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN OPTION IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER IT AND I'LL JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME OTHER COMMENTS. THANKS. >> I THINK THE RESPONSIBLE THING FOR US TO DO IS TO WAIT AND SEE THE RESOLUTION OF THE CASE. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE SELECT, ITEM NUMBER 3. WE PUT IT OFF UNTIL THERE'S A RESOLUTION. LOOKING FOR A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. >> SORRY. CAN I MAKE A CLARIFYING COMMENT. >> PLEASE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED IN THE COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING THIS BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL SOON AFTER MAY 31ST. THE AGENDA ITEM WAS TO WAIT AND SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AGAIN AFTER MAY 31ST. CAN WE GET A TIME CERTAIN? WHAT WAS DOABLE FOR STAFF AFTER MAY 31ST? >> WE WOULD. I'M THINKING DEPENDING ON THE RESOLUTION. >> THE RESOLUTION MIGHT TAKE 20 YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN AFTER MAY 31ST, WHICH IS WHEN WE'LL HAVE THE FIRST DECISION. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> RATHER THAN PUTTING A DATE, HOW ABOUT IF WE SAY IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE RESOLUTION, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE THAT RESOLUTION WILL HAPPEN, OR IS THERE A FIRM DATE OF A RESOLUTION. >> MAYOR FIRST? >> YOU'LL KNOW WHETHER BERKELEY IS ASKED FOR A REHEARING OR NOT BY MAY 31ST. BUT THEN YOU WON'T KNOW IF THE NINTH CIRCUIT IS GOING TO TAKE IT? [OVERLAPPING] >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE WAIT TO SEE AT LEAST IF AN EN BANC PANEL WILL DECIDE TO HEAR IT. BECAUSE MY MAY 31ST WILL ONLY KNOW THAT BERKELEY ASKS THEM TO HEAR IT, BUT WE WON'T HAVE THE COURTS RESPONSE. WE WON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MORE CERTAINTY AFTER MAY 31ST. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR IF THE EN BANC PANEL WE'LL REVISIT THE DECISION. >> THE DATE OF THE 31ST IS JUST BERKELEY SAYING WE WANT TO BE HEARD AGAIN. >> CORRECT. >> YOU'RE SAYING WAIT UNTIL AFTER. >> THE COURT RESPONDS TO THEM. >> WHETHER THEY SAY YES OR NO. >> CORRECT. >> THEY DON'T HAVE TO SAY YES? >> NO. >> THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION THAT WE WAIT AND SEE WHETHER THE COURTS CAN EVEN ACCEPT IT. >> GREAT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, IS THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, 15 DAYS OR SOMETHING AFTER BERKELEY MAKES THEIR DECISION THAT [INAUDIBLE] >> I CAN'T SPEAK. I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY SAID THAT, BUT THEY CAN EXTEND THAT TIME TOO. >> THEY CAN BE 21 DAYS. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TELL US THAT YOU CAN EXTEND THAT. THEY CAN PAUSE IT FOR 15 DAYS BECAUSE IT GOES WITH 29 JUDGES. THEY HAVE TO DISCUSS. YOU NEED 15 VOTES, YOU NEED IN A MAJORITY FOR IT TO BE HEARD ON BOND. THEY CAN ALSO CALL FOR BRIEFING. THEY CAN SEND IT BACK TO THE THREE-JUDGE PANEL TO GET THEIR OPINION AND ANOTHER MORE BRIEFING. EARLIEST WE WOULD HEAR IS 21 DAYS AFTER IT'S FILED, BUT IT CAN EXTEND OUT FROM THERE. >> I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A REASONABLE TIME FRAME BECAUSE I MADE THE ORIGINAL MINUTE MOTION A YEAR AGO AND I THINK WE COULD HAVE MOVED THIS A LOT FASTER AND I KICKED MYSELF FOR NOT HAVING INSISTED THAT WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN THAT WAS SOONER THAN A WHOLE YEAR FROM THE TIME WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS UP. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A TIME FRAME THAT IS NOT VERY LONG WHEN WE HAVE ALL NEW PEOPLE AND WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER FROM THE BEGINNING AND EDUCATE EVERYONE ON THIS ISSUE AGAIN. WHAT IS THE REASONABLE TIME FRAME? IS IT A COUPLE OF MONTHS? IS IT SEPTEMBER? >> JUST SHOOTING FROM THE HIP. I'D GIVEN ANOTHER 30 DAYS AFTER MAY 31ST. >> MID JUNE >> SORRY, MID JULY. >> [LAUGHTER] MID JULY >> CAN YOU JUST SAY JULY 11TH. >> IT'S A DATE. YOU BRING IT BACK, AND THEN YOU DECIDE. [OVERLAPPING] >> CITY MANAGER'S CHECKING TO SEE IF THAT'S A COUNCIL MEETING DATE. IF IT IS, THEN I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO THAT. [03:55:03] >> THANK YOU. >> JULY 11TH. >> JULY 11TH. MY EMOTION IS CHOICE NUMBER 3 AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK ON JULY 11TH WHEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE COURT CASE. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 11. [11. MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING REGARDING PRELIMINARY PLANNING ACTIVITIES FOR A REGIONAL BEACH SAND PROJECT] I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS COULD HAVE FALLEN UNDER A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM AND UNLESS ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTS THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION, I THINK WE CAN FOREGO THAT. MELANIE, YOU WANT THE FULL PRESENTATION? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE JUST GO DIRECTLY TO A VOTE. >> YES. >> SPEAKERS. THANK YOU. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU. I KNEW THAT. >> JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I KNOW OUR PARTNERS FROM SAN DIEGO HERE, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I KNOW IT'S VERY LATE AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU-ALL STUCK IT OUT AND I KNOW WE'RE FORGOING THE PRESENTATION, BUT HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO GETTING OUT OF HERE A LITTLE EARLIER? I DIDN'T THINK SO. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION OF ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION CONTAINED AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. >> SECOND. >> PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE END OF OUR AGENDA. BRIEF CLOSING STATEMENTS, PLEASE. >> EXCUSE ME, MAYOR. [PUBLIC COMMENT (Part 2 of 2)] >> YES. >> WE STILL HAVE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME IN LINE. THE LAST OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, PLEASE. >> GLENN BERNARD, BUT I DON'T THINK HE STUCK AROUND. AREA FONTAINE POOR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, CITY MANAGER. MY NAME IS ARIFUR SHAMPER. I'M A JUNIOR AT SAN MARCOS HIGH SCHOOL, BUT I DO LIVE ON CORINTHIA STREET IN DISTRICT 3. BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOTE HOW AMAZING AND PRIVILEGED I FEEL TO LIVE IN CARLSBAD. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WON'T TAKE FOR GRANTED. I'M SO LUCKY TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S SURROUNDED BY STRIVING INFRASTRUCTURE, FUNDED SCHOOLS AND REPRESENTATIVES THAT TRULY CARE. THAT BEING SAID, IT'S IN MY COMMENTS TODAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS E-BIKE SAFETY AMONG THE YOUTH. BEING 17, A NEWLY REGISTERED DRIVER, I OFTEN SEE KIDS JUST SLIGHTLY YOUNGER THAN ME, RIDING ALONGSIDE THE ROAD IN THEIR E-BIKES. PERSONALLY, I FIND MYSELF A BIG FAN OF SUCH TREND. AS NOT ONLY DOES IT ALLOW KIDS TO EXPLORE THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM, INTERACT WITH NATURE, AND PROMOTE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. BUT IT ONCE AGAIN SHIFTS THE DAILY ACTIVITIES OF KIDS FROM LYING AROUND INSIDE TO GOING OUTSIDE AND ENJOYING THEIR YOUTH. HOWEVER, SINCE THE EMERGENCE OF SUCH A TREND, CARLSBAD EXPERIENCED NEARLY 233% RISE IN COLLISIONS AMONG THESE BIKES, EVEN LEADING TO A DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY. DESPITE THIS, I THANK THE COUNCIL FOR LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC AND WISELY INVESTING $2 MILLION ON TRAFFIC SAFETY, AS WELL AS PARTNERING WITH THE SAN DIEGO BICYCLE COALITION TO PROVIDE TRAINING TO ALL MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. WHILE STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO PREVENT INJURY AND DAMAGES CAUSED BY E-BIKE ACCIDENTS, I PROPOSED THE CREATION OF REQUIRED CLASS 3 E-BIKE EDUCATION CERTIFICATE FOR THOSE UNDER 16. THE ABILITY FOR YOUNG RIDERS TO PURCHASE AND THEN IMMEDIATELY RIDE E-BIKES THAT CAN TRAVEL AT SPEEDS GREATER THAN 28 MILES PER HOUR IS CONCERNING. TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, A PROGRAM THAT CAN BE RECREATED THAT REQUIRES KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF 16 TO PARTICIPATE IN AN ONLINE TRAINING AND VIDEOS SIMILAR TO THOSE PROVIDED BY THE BICYCLE COALITION, CAN PROVE TO BE LARGELY BENEFICIAL. THIS BRIEF EDUCATIONAL PROCESS WILL HELP KIDS UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC LAWS, DEVELOP THE NECESSARY CONFIDENCE WHEN SHARING THE ROAD WITH OTHER CARS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS NOT TO DISCOURAGE KIDS FROM USING E-BIKES, BUT TO ENCOURAGE A SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE USE THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE. THE PROGRAM WOULD BE QUICK AND EASY TO COMPLETE AND PROVIDE A SOLID FOUNDATION FOR E-BIKE USE. BUT BY IMPLEMENTING THIS CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT, WE CAN HELP YOUNG RIDERS WHO ARE WELL EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF E-BIKE USE. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> SIR. A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVE WHEN THERE'S A FOUR-HOUR MEETING AND THEY WANT TO SPEAK. YOU WERE VERY PATIENT AND FOR THAT, YOU HAVE A TON OF MY RESPECT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> TRINA PRIEST. >> GUESS THAT MAKES MY POINT. ONE OUT OF FOUR PEOPLE STAYED. CLOSING STATEMENTS, MS. LUNA, [COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS] [04:00:03] MS. BURKHOLDER, MS. ACOSTA. >> ONLY JUST ONE. REALLY QUICKLY. [LAUGHTER] THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COUNCIL MET THIS MORNING HERE IN THIS ROOM. AS A REMINDER, WE MEET ABOUT ONCE A MONTH. IT'S ON THE CITY WEBSITE UNDER CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE LEGISLATIVE. ANYBODY CAN WATCH THE MEETINGS OR COME TO CITY HALL AND PARTICIPATE THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS. TODAY, WE DISCUSSED BILLS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED AND MOVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. I JUST FIND IT'S A REALLY EFFECTIVE WAY TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. WE HAVE TAKEN SUPPORT OR OPPOSE POSITIONS ALREADY THIS YEAR ON ABOUT 30 PIECES OF LEGISLATION AND SEND LETTERS IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION. WE ARE ACTIVE AND WE TAKE ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE AT CITY COUNCIL INTO ACCOUNT IN THOSE MEETINGS. THANK YOU. >> MS. BHAT-PATEL? >> JUST BRIEFLY, WE HAVE THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES DIVISION MEETING YESTERDAY AND WE HAD THE INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER COASTER ACTUALLY THE CHAIR OF PRESENT. IT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE. FOR THOSE THAT ARE NEW, DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. JUST WANTED TO SAY, I KNOW LAST WEEK WAS INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY AND I KNOW THIS COMING MONDAY IS PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY. JUST TO THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE MOMS, HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY. >> FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS, FOR COUNCIL, YOU MAY SEE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE FIRST ANNUAL CARLSBAD GREEN BUSINESS PROGRAM RECOGNITION EVENT THAT'LL BE HELD WEDNESDAY, MAY 10TH, BETWEEN 4:30 AND 6:30 PM. IT'S HELD AT THE AGUA HEDIONDA AND LAGOON FOUNDATION DISCOVERY CENTER 1580 CANNON ROAD IN CARLSBAD. ALSO THURSDAY, MAY 11TH, BETWEEN 07:00 A.M. AND 10:00 A.M. THE NORTH COUNTY ECONOMIC SUMMIT, CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY SAN MARCOS BALLROOM, 333 SOUTH TWIN OAKS VALLEY ROAD IN SAN MARCOS. AS A REMINDER, THIS SUNDAY, MAY 14TH MARKS THE NINTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE 2014 POINSETTIA FIRE. FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO MAY BE NEW TO CARLSBAD, THE POINSETTIA FIRE STARTED AN UNUSUALLY DRY AND WINDY DAY IN 2014 AT THE NORTH END OF THE LA COSTA GOLF COURSE, AND THE ACCESS STREET FROM THE NEWLY OPENED ALGA NORTE COMMUNITY PARK. THE FIRE QUICKLY JUMPED EL CAMINO REAL, PROMPTING NEARLY 12,000 HOMES AND BUSINESSES TO EVACUATE, AS WELL AS TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND ONE MIDDLE-SCHOOL. THANKS TO THE QUICK WORK OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THE FIRE WAS CONTAINED TO 600 ACRES, BUT NOT BEFORE DESTROYING EIGHT HOMES AND A CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX AND TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. WITHOUT SUCH A STRONG FIRE DEPARTMENT ASSISTED BY MUTUAL AID PARTNERS FROM A ROUTE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. BY THE WAY, ON A LITTLE COMMENT WITH THAT, I HAD A FIRE ENGINE ON MY STREET FROM PALM SPRINGS. THAT'S AMAZING WHEN THE STATE COMES TOGETHER LIKE THAT TO HELP DIFFERENT CITIES. THE FIRE THAT DAY COULD HAVE EASILY BURNED ALL THE WAY TO THE COAST. SINCE THIS WEEK HAPPENS TO BE NATIONAL PUBLIC SERVICE APPRECIATION WEEK, I WANTED TO THANK NOT JUST OUR FIRST RESPONDERS FOR ALL THE CITIES AND ALL THE CITY STAFF WHO WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY DURING AND AFTER THIS POINSETTIA FIRE. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO VISIT CARLSBADCA.GOV. WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY SECTION FOR INFORMATION AND STEPS YOU CAN TAKE TO BE READY IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY AFFECTING CARLSBAD. I THINK THAT'S TIMELY BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING OVER AND OVER ON THE NEWS THAT WITH ALL THE RAIN WE GOT, WE MIGHT BE IN FOR BIG FIRE SEASON. WITH THAT CITY MANAGER. >> NOTHING TO REPORT. >> CITY ATTORNEY. >> NOTHING TO REPORT. >> CITY CLERK. >> NOTHING TO REPORT. >> WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.