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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 21ST, 2023 MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, LED THIS EVENING BY COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.
YEAH. OKAY, LET'S SEE WITH THE MINUTES CLERK, MS. VIGELAND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AND WE'LL SAY THAT COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN UNFORTUNATELY, IS OUT ILL TONIGHT.
OKAY. SO ALL COMMISSIONERS HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
THE NEXT ITEM FOR APPROVAL ARE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 3RD, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MEETING OF THE MAY 3RD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING? YES. COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES. JUST A FEW MINOR CLEANUP ITEMS. I KNOW THAT A COUPLE AREAS OF MY LAST NAME WAS MISSPELLED.
THEY GOT IT RIGHT SOMETIMES AND WRONG LOT OF TIMES.
SO I SEE IT'S MISSPELLED ON PAGE TWO AND.
I FOUND ANOTHER PLACE [INAUDIBLE] PAGE TEN AND THEN ON THE SAME PAGE IT WAS SPELLED RIGHT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE INCONSISTENT, AND ON THAT PAGE THERE WAS ANOTHER SECTION THAT I SAW A REDUNDANCY, AND LET ME GET TO THAT JUST A SECOND.
OH, YES. ON PAGE TEN, IF YOU LOOK TO WHERE IT SAYS COMMISSIONER STINE ASKS IF MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS ARGUING THAT AS A COMMISSION, THE I THINK THERE'S TOO MANY AS A COMMISSION.
IF WE JUST SAY IF MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS ARGUING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MUST IMPOSE, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT OTHER AS A PLANNING COMMISSION; IT'S REDUNDANT.
SO TAKE OUT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION AND GO FROM THAT TO THE WITHOUT A COMMA.
THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO THE MAY 3RD MINUTES? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
SO MOVED AS WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEENES.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, LET'S PLEASE VOTE.
IF YOU DID IT AFTER I ALREADY STARTED OR BEFORE I STARTED, THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO RESET.
THERE WE GO. LET'S RESET. IS YOURS NOT SHOWING? THERE WE GO.
OKAY, SO THE MOTION CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 6 TO 0 WITH COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN ABSENT.
THE NEXT ITEM FOR APPROVAL IS THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF THIS JUNE 7TH MEETING? NONE. OKAY.
SO SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
OKAY. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STINE.
OKAY AND THE VOTE CARRIES BY 6 TO 0 WITH COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN ABSENT.
WE'LL BE FOLLOWING FOR TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. SO THE PROCEDURES, THE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM IS REQUIRED FOR ALL ITEMS.
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THAT REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS MUST BE TURNED INTO THE MINUTES CLERK, MS. VIGELAND PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING AND ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES UNLESS THAT TIME IS REDUCED BY THE CHAIRPERSON.THE MEETINGS FLOW WITH THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES WE HAVE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, THEN WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEN CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF PRESENTATION, THEN THE APPLICANT CAN MAKE A PRESENTATION.
AT THAT POINT, WE OPEN THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, GETTING INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
THEN THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND IF DESIRED, TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS CLOSED.
IT'S FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
THERE IS A PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE AND THEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS CLOSED.
SO CERTAIN PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS ARE FINAL BUT MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL MAY BE FILED WITH THE CITY CLERK AT CITY HALL WITHIN TEN CALENDAR DAYS OF THE DECISION.
THE COST OF FILING AN APPEAL IS $847 FOR ALL MATTERS.
IF ANYONE WISHES TO QUESTION A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION, THEY MAY CONTACT THE PLANNING DIVISION AT 1635 FARADAY AVENUE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7:30 AM, AND 5:30 MONDAY PM, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 8 TO 5 ON FRIDAY.
DIGITAL MATERIALS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE TIME LIMIT MAXIMUM MAXIMUM FOR SPEAKERS.
SO THE COMMISSION DOES SET ASIDE THIS TIME UP TO 15 MINUTES TO ACCEPT COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA THAT ARE WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MS. VIGELAND ANYONE ARE REQUIRED TO SPEAKER SLIPS THIS EVENING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S HEARING.
I'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM, BUT BEFORE WE DO, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS, DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM? YES, COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.
YEAH. I DROVE BY THE SITE YESTERDAY.
YEAH, I DROVE BY AND WALKED THE SITE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND DID LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE MAPS, I THINK.
I WALKED THE SITE WITHIN THE LAST HOUR.
I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE AND I WALKED THE SITE RECENTLY.
SO NOW WE'LL [INAUDIBLE] WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM? YES. THE AGENDA ITEM IS THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TRACT FOR HOPE APARTMENTS.
GIVING THE STAFF PRESENTATION IS SHANNON HARKER, SENIOR PLANNER.
THANK YOU, MR. HARKER, AND GOOD EVENING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PROJECT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS THE CONSOLIDATION OF FIVE PARCELS TOTALING 2.95 ACRES INTO ONE LOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 156 UNIT MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, THE CARL'S JR.
FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, AND WITH EXCEPTION TO CARL'S JR, ALL STRUCTURES ARE PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED, BUT THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE SITE ARE VB OR VILLAGE BARRIO.
THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN IS THE IMPLEMENTING DOCUMENT FOR THESE DESIGNATIONS.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OF THE MASTER PLAN.
THE REQUIRED PERMITS FOR THIS PROJECT INCLUDE A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP FOR THE CONSOLIDATION OF FIVE LOTS INTO ONE LOT AND A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING PROJECT.
THE LOT CONSOLIDATION IS REQUIRED AS THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINES CROSS THROUGH THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND THE TOTAL LOT AREA IS BEING UTILIZED TO ACHIEVE THE PROPOSED DENSITY. SO HERE'S THE PROJECT SITE PLAN.
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THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO SEEKING A 50% DENSITY BONUS UNDER STATE LAW, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY INCREASE THAT CAN BE REQUESTED IN EXCHANGE FOR THE 50% INCREASE AND PURSUANT TO STATE LAW.AS VERY LOW INCOME UNITS ARE PROPOSED.
12.5% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED OR 20 UNITS ARE REQUIRED.
WITH 156 APARTMENT UNITS, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD HAVE A DENSITY OF 53 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
PURSUANT PURSUANT TO STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF WAIVERS TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CAN BE REQUESTED AS LONG AS THE WAIVER DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
SO THE FIRST WAIVER THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED IS A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE REQUIRED FOR EACH UNIT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY PROVIDED IN THE FORM OF A DECK OR A BALCONY. THE DISTRICT REQUIREMENT IS 80FT² PER UNIT AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A RANGE OF 38 TO 83FT².
THE SECOND AND THIRD WAIVERS RELATE TO BUILDING MASSING STANDARDS, INCLUDED IN THE FC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 95% COVERAGE FOR THE FOURTH FLOOR.
THE FINAL WAIVER IS TO THE STANDARD THAT REQUIRES A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT DEEP WALL PLANE CHANGE AND ROOFLINE VARIATION EVERY 50 LINEAL FEET FOR ELEVATIONS THAT FACE A PUBLIC STREET.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES 277 SPACES, OR APPROXIMATELY 1.78 SPACES PER UNIT.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 16,500FT², WHICH EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENT BY 12,680FT².
COMMON OPEN SPACE INCLUDES TWO COURTYARDS, OUTDOOR COURTYARDS WITH A POOL, SPA AND BARBECUE AREAS.
SO HERE'S A RENDERING OF THE SOUTH EAST CORNER AND SOUTH ELEVATION FACING CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.
THIS IS WHERE THE LEASING OFFICE IS LOCATED AND SERVES AS THE MAIN PUBLIC ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MODERN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH INCLUDES CONTEMPORARY BUILDING FEATURES SUCH AS PORCELAIN, TILE METAL TRIM, HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING AND STANDING SEAM METAL ACCENTS.
THEREFORE, STAFF CANNOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THIS IS THE RENDERING FOR THE SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS.
THE SOUTH ELEVATION FACES CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE AND THE WEST ELEVATION FACES THE HOPE AVENUE ALLEY.
THE LOCATION OF THE OUTDOOR COURTYARD ADJACENT TO THE ALLEY CREATES A 70 FOOT BREAK IN THE MASSING, THUS REDUCING THE VISUAL IMPACTS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE USES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ALLEY.
SO HERE'S THE NORTH WEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE NORTH ELEVATION FACING GRAND AVENUE.
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I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE ARCHITECTURAL PROJECTION AT THE CORNER AS WELL AS THE COMMON ROOFTOP DECK ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.TWO PRIVATE ENTRIES INTO THE BUILDING ARE ALSO LOCATED ALONG THIS ELEVATION.
THE BLUE STAR ON THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE CEQA DETERMINATION FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
CEQA DETERMINATION PROCESS, I SHOULD CLARIFY.
ON APRIL 10TH, THE CITY PLANNER, THROUGH THE PROCESS OUTLINED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE, COMPLETED A REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT PURSUANT TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, ALSO REFERRED TO AS CEQA.
SECTION 15332 EXEMPTS PROJECTS LOCATED ON SITES WHICH ARE UNDER FIVE ACRES LOCATED WITHIN URBANIZED AREAS AND CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING REGULATIONS.
A NOTICE WAS POSTED ON APRIL 10TH FOR A PERIOD OF TEN DAYS AND NO APPEALS WERE FILED.
THEREFORE, THE CITY PLANNERS DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CEQA IS FINAL.
STAFF HAS FOUND THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL APPLICABLE POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE, SUCH AS THE INCLUSIONARY AND DENSITY BONUS ORDINANCES, AS WELL AS THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN.
THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH STATE DENSITY BONUS LAWS.
AN ERRATA HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED, INCLUDING A CLARIFICATION IN THE STAFF REPORT REGARDING THE LOCATION OF STOP SIGNS ON HOPE AVENUE AND CHANGES TO THREE CONDITIONS REFLECTING THE REQUIREMENT FOR A ONE FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ALONG THE HOPE AVENUE ALLEY AND THE ADDITION OF PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING INSTEAD OF A STANDARD STREETLIGHT ALONG THE GRAND AVENUE FRONTAGE.
FINALLY, THIS PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 65589.5, WHICH STATES THAT WHEN A PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECT COMPLIES WITH OBJECTIVE GENERAL PLAN, ZONING AND SUBDIVISION STANDARDS AND CRITERIA THAT WERE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME THAT THE APPLICATION WAS DEEMED COMPLETE, CITIES SHALL NOT DISAPPROVE THE PROJECT OR IMPOSE A CONDITION REQUIRING LOWER DENSITY UNLESS THE CITY FINDS BASED ON A PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT ON PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
OR THERE IS NO FEASIBLE METHOD TO SATISFACTORILY MITIGATE OR AVOID SUCH ADVERSE IMPACT.
STAFF IS THEREFORE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION IDENTIFIED AS EXHIBIT ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP AND SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS HARKER.
ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER MEENES.
AS TO THE ADDITIONAL ONE FOOT REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING ASPECT OF IT? SURE. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT COMMISSIONER MEENES AND TO CLARIFY, WE ARE THE CITY IS REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL TEN FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE TO EXPAND THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GOALS OF THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN.
THE ONE FOOT DEDICATION IS ACTUALLY THE HOPE AVENUE ALLEY.
LET ME SEE THAT MIGHT HELP EXPLAIN THIS.
SO ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THIS SLIDE, WE SEE THE CARL'S JR.
THERE IS CURRENTLY A 4 TO 6 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE PLANTER CONSISTING OF GRASS AND THE CITY IS GOING TO BE REQUIRING A TEN FOOT DEDICATION TO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK.
SO IN DOING SO, IT REQUIRES THE REMOVAL OF THIS LANDSCAPE PLANTER.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLANTER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INTERFACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING LOT RIGHT UP NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
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APPROXIMATELY, I THINK, SEVEN TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE TO KIND OF SOFTEN THE INTERFACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING LOT.SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A GOAL OF OUR MOBILITY ELEMENT TO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK AND IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WHAT WE REQUESTED FOR THE LOFTS PROJECT TO THE EAST AND SHOWN IN THIS PHOTO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE, AND WITH ME TONIGHT, I ALSO HAVE DAVID RICK, ASSOCIATE ENGINEER FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND HE CAN TOUCH ON ANYTHING THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED.
OR I MIGHT HAVE COVERED EVERYTHING.
SO THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS GOING TO BE ON THE DEVELOPER'S PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT, AND THEN THE TREES THAT ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY CURRENTLY WILL BE REMOVED.
RETAINED? YES. THOSE ARE STREET TREES LOCATED IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, BUT COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES. CLARIFICATION ON THE WAIVERS ON PAGE EIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND THE WAIVERS ON THE FIRST TWO.
THE ONE I DON'T I'M A LITTLE I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IS THE BUILDING MASSING WAIVER.
I UNDERSTAND THE CITY STANDARD, NAMELY FIVE FOOT MINIMUM VARIATION IN WALL PLANE EVERY 50FT.
WHAT DOES THIS PROJECT PROVIDE? HOW MUCH OF A WAIVER ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER STINE.
I DID PREPARE AN EXHIBIT IN THE EVENT THIS DID COME UP FOR DISCUSSION.
SO IT'S VARIED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
SO IN SOME CASES, THE AREA IN PURPLE SHOWS RECESSIONS IN THE BUILDING WALL PLANES YOU CAN SEE IN THE ELEVATOR AND STAIRWELL. IN THIS CASE, IT'S STARTING OUT AT ZERO, AND THEY'RE SHOWING US IF THERE'S A SIX FOOT PROJECTION EXCUSE ME, SIX FOOT, SIX INCH PROJECTION FOR THE ELEVATOR TOWER TO THE RIGHT OF THE STAIRWELL, THERE IS A 32 FOOT RECESSION IN THE BUILDING WALL PLANE FOR THE ROOFTOP DECK IN THIS AREA HERE.
THERE'S A FIVE FOOT RECESS FOR THE BALCONIES THERE IN THIS.
MOVING FURTHER TO THE RIGHT HERE, THERE IS, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A FOUR FOOT RECESS IN THIS AREA.
SO THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDING A VARIATION OF THAT.
IT'S NOT THE WHOLE 50FT OF THAT ELEVATION THAT'S STEPPING BACK FIVE FEET.
IT'S VARIED. IT'S RANGING FROM FIVE FEET TO AN INCH TO SEVEN INCHES TO 5.5FT.
SO THEY DON'T MEET THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THE STANDARD AS IT READS.
OKAY. SO SOMETIMES IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET, AND I THINK YOU SAID SOME OF THEM IT'S MORE THAN FIVE FEET, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO IN THE INSTANCE OF THE ROOFTOP DECK, IT RECEDES 32FT.
SO DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT COMPARES WITH ANY VARIATION IN THE LOFTS, WHICH IS THE PROJECT NEXT TO THEM? I THINK IT'S THE SAME OWNER.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS BY COMPARISON? WELL, I SHOULD.
I WAS THE PLANNER FOR THAT PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S VERY SIMILAR, AND I THINK MAYBE THAT QUESTION IS BEST SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT.
I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE WALL PLANE.
SO IS THIS WAIVER BEING REQUESTED BECAUSE OF THE WANTING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ENSURING THAT WE THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET NECESSARY TO OBTAIN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, 156 UNITS, THEY HAD TO ASK FOR THIS WAIVER TO ENSURE THAT THEY ENDED UP WITH A NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET. FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON THESE PARTICULAR FLOORS.
ON THIS ELEVATION? YES. COMMISSIONER MEENES.
THE APPLICANT DID PREPARE A DENSITY BONUS EXHIBIT AND I DID REVIEW IT AND I FOUND IT TO BE ACCURATE.
THEY ARE SHOWING IN THEIR EXHIBIT THAT THE APPLICATION OF THIS STANDARD DOES TAKE AWAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AREA FROM THE UNITS THAT MAKES, IN THEIR OPINION, MAKES THE PROJECT INFEASIBLE BECAUSE IT REDUCES THE UNIT SO MUCH THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY IMPACT THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. HARKER, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
YOU SAID THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN WAS THE IMPLEMENTING DOCUMENT.
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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT IS BASICALLY THE EQUIVALENT OF A ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THIS PROJECT.IT HAS GUIDELINES, AND IN THIS PROJECT, WE ANALYZE THE PROJECT AGAINST THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS OF THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THE AREA WIDE STANDARDS. IN PAST PROJECTS, WE'VE SEEN A CHECKLIST FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, AND THAT CHECKLIST WAS NOT UTILIZED OR INCLUDED IN THIS.
IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? WE DID NOT INCLUDE AND IT'S JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT A CHECKLIST.
I WILL SAY THAT I DID HAVE THE APPLICANT PREPARE AN ANALYSIS.
IT JUST WAS NOT ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT.
OH, THAT'S TOO BAD. THAT WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THAT.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF COMMERCIAL REQUIRED IN THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR A DEVELOPMENT? THERE IS NO PERCENTAGE IN THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS CONSIDERED A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE PROJECT AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE IS NO PERCENTAGE WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AND YET THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN STATES THAT IT CONSISTS OF TRAVELER SERVICES NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH URBAN FREEWAY INTERCHANGES, LODGING, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL AND GAS STATIONS.
RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NOT ENCOURAGED, AND THE MORE I'VE BEEN READING ABOUT AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THE IMPACTS OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AGAINST A FREEWAY WITHIN 500FT.
SEVERE PROBLEMS WITH ASTHMA AND HEALTH ISSUES AND MANY OTHER CANCERS ARE CONTRIBUTED TO THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY OF PERMANENT RESIDENCES RIGHT NEXT TO THE FREEWAY.
SO I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS IS NOT 500FT FROM THE FREEWAY, AND WE'RE PUTTING 150 COMMERCIAL PERMANENT RESIDENCES, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMMERCIAL IS YOUR HORIZONTAL RELATIONSHIP WITH COMMERCIAL IS BEING CODIFIED BECAUSE ALL OF THE LOTS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE BEING THEY'RE BEING COMBINED.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND WHAT'S THE EFFORT BEHIND DOING THAT? WHAT'S THE METHODOLOGY FOR COMBINING THEM ALL? CAN I CORRECT ONE STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE? IT DOES SAY THAT USES INCLUDE LODGING, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL AND GAS STATIONS.
IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT AND THAT IT STOPS.
IT DOESN'T SAY, BUT NOT ENCOURAGED.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT THE COMMISSION TO HAVE AN INFERENCE THERE.
OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] THAT WAS YOUR EDITORIALIZING.
IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE IN THAT IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THIS DOCUMENT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO STATE THAT FREEWAY USES ARE FREEWAY USES.
SO THIS IS MY CONCERN, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, KNOWING THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL THAT BECOMES BANKED AGAINST THIS FREEWAY AND THE DEFINITE ANALYZE, WELL-DOCUMENTED HEALTH IMPACTS THAT INCURS, I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT PLACE FOR PERMANENT HOUSING, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE HAD A PRECEDENT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
SO THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT CARL'S JR.
SINCE THERE IS NO PERCENTAGE OF.
COMMERCIAL, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NO QUANTIFIABLE PERCENTAGE, BUT THERE IS IN THE DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS OF 45 LINEAR FEET OF OPEN COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THOSE AREAS.
BEING SORT OF SEPARATED AND SEGREGATED TO BECOME THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR THIS.
WHAT'S THE METHODOLOGY THAT'S BEING USED TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT CARL'S JR.
AS OPPOSED TO PUSHING THAT WHOLE BUILDING FRONT FORWARD.
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COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP TO CONSOLIDATE THE LOT.SO IT'S NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL VERTICAL MIXED USE? I AGREE. IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CALL HORIZONTAL MIXED USE, BUT WE NONETHELESS CONSIDER IT MIXED USE, AND IT WAS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY THAT THEY CONSOLIDATE THE LOTS, NOT ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE PROPERTY LINES CROSSING THROUGH THE PROPOSED BUILDING, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE USING THAT AREA TOWARDS THEIR DENSITY AND WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REDEVELOP THE CARL'S JR.
SITE WITH ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY ARE INCLUDING THAT AREA IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR DENSITY.
SO BASICALLY DOES THAT BECOME OPEN SPACE THEN? NOT OPEN SPACE, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO REDEVELOP IT, IT WOULD BECOME IT WOULD NEED TO BE COMMERCIAL.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS THAT.
BECAUSE THE LOT IS BEING COMBINED.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT PARTICULAR LOT NEEDS TO REMAIN COMMERCIAL? IS THAT WHAT THAT'S THAT CONVERSATION IS? WELL, IT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE ITS OWN LOT.
IT WILL BE ONE PARCEL AS A RESULT OF THIS TENTATIVE TRACK MAP.
SO WILL IT BE ITS OWN PARCEL OR IT WILL BE ONE PARCEL ON THE ENTIRE.
SO ARE WE LANDMARKING THE CARL'S JR.
IN PERPETUITY? BECAUSE THE DENSITY OF THIS OTHER PROJECT ON THE OTHER PART OF THE SITE IS SO HIGH.
I THINK IT'S A CONCERN THAT WE ARE MAKING THE CARL'S JR.
AN UNTOUCHABLE, SORT OF BACKWARDS LANDMARK IN A SENSE, TO THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE'RE CREATING DENSITY IN A PLACE THAT REALLY MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE TO CREATE THIS KIND OF DENSITY.
JUST LET ME SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS, PLEASE.
AS SHANNON SAID, IT CREATES ONE PARCEL SO THERE ISN'T A PARCEL WITHIN A PARCEL.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT DOESN'T ALLOW THE CARL'S JR.
SITE TO ADD ANY MORE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO THIS SUPER PARCEL.
THERE COULD BE ANOTHER RESTAURANT PUT THERE.
IF YOU COULD BUILD A LODGING THAT WOULD BE THAT SMALL, THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE.
THEY COULD DO THAT. IT CAN BE REDEVELOPED.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND THE COMBINATION.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WITH ALL OF THE DENSITY OPPORTUNITIES THAT THERE ARE OUT THERE THESE DAYS WITH BONUSES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE CONTINUED.
SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY OFF.
EVEN IF THEY DO SUBDIVIDE IT, THEY CAN'T SELL IT OFF UNLESS THE PROPERTY WAS SUBDIVIDED, BUT THEY CAN'T SUBDIVIDE IT BECAUSE THEN THE DENSITY ON THE LARGER PARCEL WOULD THEN BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ZONING.
RIGHT NOW IT'S AS A PARCEL AS IT IS, IT'S MAXED.
THEY CANNOT GET ANY MORE UNITS ON THERE.
IT'S AT THE MAX DENSITY FOR THE ZONING, AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF THE DENSITY BONUS, IT'S...
"SUPER-MAXED" SO TO SPEAK. [CHUCKLING] SO THEY'VE TAKEN THE PROPERTY AND PUT AS MUCH RESIDENCE AS YOU COULD, EVEN IF THEY WERE GOING TO GET RID OF CARL'S JR.
SO THERE IS NO MORE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THEY CAN SQUEEZE OUT OF THE SITE.
HOWEVER LIKE I SAID, THEY COULD REDEVELOP THE CARL'S JR.
SITE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BREAK IT OFF FROM THE LARGER PARCEL BECAUSE THE ZONING FOR THE WHOLE THING WOULD THEN BE IN VIOLATION BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THAT'S ON THERE.
YEAH. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING SO HARD TO TRY AND GET ACTUAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF REAL OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS, IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO IMMORTALIZE THE CARL'S JR.
FOR SOME REASON AND WAS BUILT IN THE 80S.
WHAT'S THAT? IT WAS BUILT IN THE 80S.
EXACTLY AND I DIDN'T EVEN BRING UP THE AGE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TEAR DOWN TORE DOWN
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BUT THEY WEREN'T ON THE HISTORIC INVENTORY LIST THAT I FORGOT TO DISCLOSE I DID LOOK UP.I'M LIKE I SAY, THIS IS A CONCERN.
I THINK THE LOCATION IS BETTER FOR MORE TEMPORARY USE, BUT I ALSO AND WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS IN THE BRIEFING ABOUT A CONNECTION TO CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, BECAUSE THE HE CONNECTION RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH A DRIVEWAY AND IT'S CALLED HOPE APARTMENTS, AND THERE'S ALMOST NO FACE TO HOPE APARTMENTS WHATSOEVER AND I DON'T REALLY SEE A SIDEWALK THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE.
SO HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE AND WHY DO THEY HAVE TO WALK OUT OF THEIR WAY? IN THE EVENT THIS THIS DID COME UP, I PREPARED A SLIDE TO HIGHLIGHT THE PEDESTRIAN PATH OF TRAVEL AND THAT'S IDENTIFIED WITH THE ORANGE DASHED LINES ON THIS SLIDE.
SO WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.
IT WAS ONE OF OUR COMMENTS TO PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE AND THEY DID PROVIDE SOME ENHANCED PAVING ACROSS THE DRIVE AISLE LEADING TO THE LOFT SITE TO GET TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE SO THE APPLICANT CAN ELABORATE ON THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS BETWEEN OR REGARDING WHY THEY SELECTED THAT ROUTE, BUT I WILL ALSO SHARE THAT THERE ARE TWO ENTRIES OFF THE GRAND AVENUE ELEVATION, AND THESE ARE PRIVATE ENTRIES FOR THE TENANTS.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO GO ACROSS THE STREET, I DON'T KNOW, CROSS THE STREET TO THE SOUTH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD USUALLY USE THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE. SO YOU'D USE THE THE MAYBE ONE OF THESE RED ARROWS HERE.
THESE ARE OTHER OTHER CHOICES FOR THE TENANTS TO EXIT THE BUILDING.
YEAH, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PARKING LOT OR SEVERAL.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? IF THEY WERE TO TAKE THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE AND NOT USE THE ENHANCED PAVING ACROSS THE DRIVE AISLE, THEN YES, THEY WOULD BE WALKING BEHIND SOME PARKING.
OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE BARRIO PLAN THAT IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO PLAN, THAT VEHICLE ACCESS SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM AN ALLEY, AND SINCE WE HAVE AN ALLEY AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE AND THERE IS NO VEHICLE ACCESS ON THE ALLEY FROM THE WAY THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS PLAN, THAT SEEMS TO BE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.
IF I COULD RESPOND TO THAT COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS THAT WAS THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT WE HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION HERE IN THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING SHARED DRIVE AISLE WHICH IS SHARED WITH THE LOFTS PROJECT.
SO IT IT FUNCTIONS AS AN ALLEY.
SO IT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION ON THE APPLICANT'S PART TO SHARE THIS DRIVEWAY TAKE THE CARS OFF THE ALLEY AND USE THIS SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH THE LOFTS PROJECT.
SO I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO TAKE ACCESS OFF THE SHARED DRIVEWAY.
I UNDERSTAND ECONOMY IS OF THE ESSENCE HERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO ENCOURAGE AND HELP OUR COMMUNITY GAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT 80FT² POST-PANDEMIC SEEMS LIKE A VERY MINIMAL PRICE TO PAY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT ON A BALCONY AND ENJOY OPEN SPACE.
I MAY I RESPOND TO THAT ONE? YEAH, SURE. OKAY. SO THE APPLICANT DID PREPARE AN EXHIBIT SHOWING HOW MUCH AREA IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS STANDARD WOULD TAKE UP FOR THE STUDIOS, FOR INSTANCE, AND IT'S QUITE SUBSTANTIAL, AND OUR REQUIREMENT OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE IN OUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE IS TYPICALLY 50FT² FOR A BALCONY.
SO 80FT² FOR A VERY DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENT IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT.
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SO I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO REDUCE EVERYBODY.TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT VIABILITY ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY WELL DEFINED, AND IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S NOT REALLY SUBJECTIVE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S BEING SUPPORTED, AND THE OTHER PART ON THE VILLAGE PLAN IS UTILIZING ACCENT MATERIALS IN THE GENERAL PLAN, WOOD, GLASS, GLASS BLOCK, TILE BRICK, CONCRETE, STONE AWNINGS, PLASTER METAL IS NOT LISTED AND YET METAL ON THE PLANS IS LISTED ABOUT SIX TIMES AND THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND FINISHES THAT ARE TRUE TO ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MODERN COASTAL IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAKES ARCHITECTURE COASTAL.
IT'S NEVER BEEN AN ARCHITECTURAL TERM I'VE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH.
MIGHT BE AN ORANGE COUNTY THING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAKES THIS COASTAL, SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR THAT, AND ALSO THE PLANS STATE THAT THREE DIFFERENT MATERIALS ON THE EXTERIOR WALL SURFACES ARE RECOMMENDED, NOT MULTIPLES AND LIGHT COLORED NEUTRAL BASE COLORS.
SO WITH THE GRAYS AND THE BLACKS THAT ARE IN THIS PLAN, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT'S MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.
WHEN YOU MAKE THAT STATEMENT, ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHAT'S RECOMMENDED IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SECTION? YES. OKAY.
IT'S NOT IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN GUIDELINES UNDER EITHER FREEWAY, COMMERCIAL OR THE GENERAL STANDARDS, AND AS A PLANNER, I'M ONLY ABLE TO APPLY THE STANDARDS FOR THIS PROJECT.
2.8.3 BUILDING FORM AND MASSING.
A BUILDING FORM AND ARTICULATION.
NUMBER 24, 25, 27, 29 , BUT I THINK THE BIGGER THE BIGGER CONCERNS ARE THE CONNECTIONS TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE, AND WHAT THAT CARL'S JR.
IS REALLY DOING FOR OUR MAIN DRAG OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THANKS. I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND ONE FINAL TIME.
SO WE CANNOT ASK THEM TO DEMOLISH THE CARL'S JR.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND CAN APPRECIATE IT, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR ABILITY TO REQUIRE THE DEMOLITION AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT FEATURE TO THE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
LET'S SEE. SO THIS IS ON PAGE 24 OF 250, WHICH IS PART OF THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 18.
THAT REFERENCES THE AFFORDABLE UNITS VERSUS THE, AND TOTALS THE 20, BUT THE TABLE ON PAGE FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHICH IS CORRECT.
THE STAFF REPORT IS CALLING FOR FOUR STUDIOS, SEVEN ONE BEDROOMS, SIX TWO BEDROOMS AND THREE THREE BEDROOMS, AND THE ORDINANCE IS CALLING FOR THREE, EIGHT, SEVEN AND TWO.
THE CONDITION I DID CONFIRM THAT WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TODAY.
BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY OTHER QUESTION.
UNDERNEATH ON PAGE FOUR, IT SAYS AFFORDABLE UNIT TYPE IS TENTATIVE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
HOWEVER, A MINIMUM OF 10 OR 2 THREE BEDROOM UNITS ARE REQUIRED.
SO. WE WERE GOING TO GET THREE THREE BEDROOMS AND NOW WE'RE ONLY GETTING THE MINIMUM OF TWO.
IS THAT CORRECT? PURSUANT TO THE CONDITION? THAT IS CORRECT. SO THE BIG QUESTION I HAVE IS, DOES THIS CAVEAT STILL APPLY?
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AFFORDABLE UNIT TYPE IS TENTATIVE.WHAT IS LISTED IN THE CONDITION IS WHAT IS REQUIRED.
WHAT MAY CHANGE IS THE LOCATION OF THE UNITS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKED OUT THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT, WHICH NEEDS TO BE RECORDED OR APPROVED PRIOR TO RECREATION OF THE FINAL MAP.
SO I RECEIVED CONFIRMATION TODAY THAT THE CONDITION STANDS AND THE CONDITION IS ACCURATE.
COMMISSIONER HUBINGER. HAVE ONE SIMPLE QUESTION IS THE APPLICANT REQUIRED TO ABIDE BY THE VILLAGE BARRIO MASTER PLAN? THE STANDARDS? YES. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE JUST THAT: GUIDELINES.
THEY'RE GUIDELINES, RIGHT, SO IN YOUR OPINION, HAVE THEY MET THE GUIDELINES? I THINK THEY GENERALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES.
THAT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE QUESTION IN ITSELF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? YES. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, WHAT IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN A CONCESSION AND INCENTIVE AND A WAIVER? I MIGHT DEFER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR THAT QUESTION.
WE DO. I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS AN ATTACHMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH MORE THAN LIKELY ANSWERS THIS QUESTION, BUT HE MIGHT DO A BETTER JOB AT ANSWERING ON THE FLY, SINCE THERE ARE NO INCENTIVES BEING ASKED FOR TODAY.
I'D RATHER JUST STICK TO DEFINING A WAIVER SO WE DON'T CONFUSE THE ISSUE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BUT A WAIVER IS A REDUCTION OR A MODIFICATION OF ANY DEVELOPMENT STANDARD OR REGULATION.
WHEN YOU APPLY THOSE REQUIREMENTS, POTENTIALLY MAKE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT PHYSICALLY INFEASIBLE, IF NOT APPROVED, AND THE DEVELOPER WAS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION TO JUSTIFY WHY THE WAIVER WAS NEEDED TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT.
SO THERE'S NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF WAIVERS.
SO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD BE THINGS LIKE HEIGHT, LIMITATION, SETBACK, REQUIREMENT, FLOOR AREA RATIO AND ONSITE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, PARKING RATIO, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO IF THE DEVELOPER PRESENTS INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THAT THE APPLICATION OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS MAKES IT PHYSICALLY INFEASIBLE FOR THEM TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT IN WHICH THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD, IN THIS CASE, THE MAXIMUM DENSITY WITH THE DENSITY BONUS, THEN THE BURDEN OF PROOF SHIFTS TO THE CITY TO SHOW WHY THAT ISN'T CORRECT, AND OF COURSE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SHOW THAT.
SO THERE WAS ONE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT WHY DID THE WAIVER OF THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT APPLY TO ALL THE UNITS AND NOT JUST THE AFFORDABLE ONES, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE ANSWER AND MAYBE THE DEVELOPER.
APPLICANT COULD ADDRESS THIS, BUT THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO CUT THAT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL THE UNITS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A BUILDING WITH THAT DENSITY. IF I COULD JUST ADD TWO THINGS ON THAT.
ONE IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT PAGES 71 IS THE START OF IT, BUT ON PAGE 73, THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON DENSITY BONUS AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN TO THE POINT RON JUST MADE, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR WITH RESPECT TO THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR IN THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT, MAKING SURE THAT THE UNITS ARE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, AND SO I THINK WE'D HAVE SOME CONCERNS IF THERE WERE ONLY LIMITING THE OPEN SPACE IN THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT IS ENTITLED TO UNLIMITED WAIVERS AT IF THE WAIVER WOULD PRECLUDE DEVELOPMENTS AT THE PROPOSED DENSITY. CORRECT.
OKAY, AND THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY RISK.
CORRECT. OKAY, AND AT THE TIME WE APPROVED.
WELL I'LL SAVE IT FOR DISCUSSION.
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ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, WAS THERE AN AIR QUALITY STUDY DONE FOR THIS PROJECT? COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY YES, THERE WAS AN AIR QUALITY DONE FOR THIS PROJECT AIR QUALITY STUDY.EXCUSE ME THAT WAS FACTORED INTO THE ANALYSIS THAT WE PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE EXEMPTION.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE ANALYSIS AND WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THE DECISION IS FINAL.
OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? OKAY. OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
SPELL YOUR LAST NAME AND STATE YOUR. I'M SORRY.
YEAH, AND YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.
YEAH. THANKS. OH, IT'S USUALLY TEN.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT'S TEN MINUTES.
WE'LL BE AT TEN, SO DON'T WORRY.[INAUDIBLE] FOR ME THERE.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. AUSTIN WERMERS IS MY LAST NAME.
I'M THE OWNER REPRESENTATIVE TODAY FOR THE HOPE APARTMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU TONIGHT TO TAKE YOUR TIME AND RESPECTFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROJECT.
I WANT TO FIRST START OUT BY SAYING WERMERS IS A FAMILY COMPANY.
WE'VE BEEN A PART OF SAN DIEGO NOW FOR THREE GENERATIONS.
I ACTUALLY LOOKED UP THERE AND IT SAYS 1952, WHICH IS IN THE 1950S WHEN WE STARTED THIS COMPANY, MY MY GRANDFATHER STARTED THIS COMPANY OUT OF HIS PICKUP TRUCK, AND I'M PROUD TO CONTINUE THIS LEGACY TONIGHT.
I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S REALLY A SUPER SPECIAL PLACE WE ALL CALL HOME.
WERMERS IS NOT A TRADITIONAL BUILDER AND DEVELOPER.
WE BUY, WE BUILD, AND WE HOLD THESE PROJECTS LONG TERM.
WE'RE NOT NEW TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD YOU GUYS ALLUDED TO THAT WE OWN THE LOFTS PROJECT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE'RE INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE CITY AT WERMERS.
TO PRESENT THE DETAILS OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS THE PROJECT MANAGER, PATRICK ZABROCKI.
THANKS, AUSTIN. MY NAME IS PATRICK ZABROCKI AND THAT'S SPELLED ZABROCKI.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS PATRICK ZABROCKI AND I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE HOPE APARTMENTS.
JUST AS AN OVERVIEW, OUR PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IN DISTRICT ONE IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE VILLAGE, RIGHT WHERE CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE COMES UP TO THE FIVE FREEWAY.
THE EXISTING USES ON THE SITE INCLUDE CARLSBAD VILLAGE MOTEL, CARL'S JR.
THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND A VACANT LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF TWO PERMITS FROM THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
THE SECOND PERMIT IS FOR A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE HORIZONTAL MIXED USE PROJECT AND HORIZONTAL MIXED USE PROJECT IS WHERE THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS OCCUPY THE SAME SITE, BUT IN JUST DIFFERENT PARTS OF IT RATHER THAN RESIDENTIAL DIRECTLY ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THAT HORIZONTAL MIXED USE FOR THIS SITE IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PRESERVE THE CARL'S JR.
IS A IT'S HISTORICALLY AN ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN THE VILLAGE AND IT ALSO BRINGS ECONOMIC INCLUSIVENESS TO THE COASTAL AREA OF CARLSBAD FOR PEOPLE OF ALL INCOME LEVELS.
WE PROPOSE TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE BUILDING TO HAVE 156 UNITS.
20 OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE RESERVED FOR AFFORDABLE.
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THE FOUR-STOREY BUILDING WILL BE 45FT IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE LOFTS APARTMENTS NEXT DOOR.THE TOTAL LANDSCAPED AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 9% OF THE SITE.
AS A PART OF THE PROJECT, WE WILL BE WIDENING THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE SIDEWALK.
WE WILL BE RENOVATING AND REDESIGNING THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ALONG GRAND AVENUE, AND JUST TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE MANY, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN'T SEE IT WITH THE TIMER.
AS MENTIONED IN SHANNON'S GREAT PRESENTATION, OUR PROJECT WILL BE COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY'S LAND USE REGULATIONS BUT IN SUMMARY, THE APARTMENTS ARE AN ALLOWABLE USE ON THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION.
WE WILL MEET MEETING OUR ALLOWED DENSITY FOR THE SITE.
NOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN AMENITIES RICH PROJECT THAT WE KNOW OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE EXCITED FOR AND IT WILL HAVE FEATURES SUCH AS AN INDOOR AND OUTDOOR FITNESS AREA, INDOOR COMMUNITY AREA, ROOF DECK, TWO LARGE OPEN SPACE COURTYARDS AND WILL HAVE FEATURES SUCH AS BARBECUES, FIRE PITS, GATHERING AREAS, A COMMUNITY POOL AND JACUZZI.
NOW, THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE FOR OUR PROJECT CAN EASILY BE DESCRIBED AS THE CALIFORNIA CONTEMPORARY OR MODERN I'M SORRY, COASTAL CONTEMPORARY , AND THAT REALLY IS KIND OF DEFINED BY CLEAN LINES, NEUTRAL COLOR TONES AND HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, AND OVERALL, WE FEEL THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS THE VISION OF THIS STYLE, AND IT ACTUALLY WILL COMPLEMENT A LOT OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE RECENTLY AROUND THIS PROJECT SITE, AND BUT IT STILL HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS. NOW, IN ADDITION TO JUST THE STICKS AND BRICKS, THE HOPE APARTMENTS IS A PROJECT THAT WILL ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, WE'VE PACKED THIS PROJECT WITH GREEN FEATURES.
BUT ALSO CONSIDER THAT GIVEN THE PROJECT'S CENTRAL LOCATION IN THE VILLAGE AND ITS WALKABILITY, THERE'S LIKELY REDUCTION IN TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION RELATED GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE SATISFIED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PART B ENHANCED STAKEHOLDERS OUTREACH POLICY, BUT AS A DEVELOPER THAT CARES ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY, WE WENT BEYOND JUST THE REQUIREMENTS BY DOING THINGS LIKE INSTALLING NOTICING SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF OUR PROJECT SITE, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
SOME OF THE COMMON CONCERNS EXPRESSED DURING OUR OUTREACH INCLUDE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, PARKING AND HOW THE PROJECT WILL FIT WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER. NOW IN RESPONSE TO THOSE CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WE ACTUALLY PERFORMED A HIGHER LEVEL TRAFFIC STUDY THAN WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CITY, AND WHEN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WAS SAID AND DONE, IT SHOWED THAT WE ARE ONLY HAVING 105 NET TOTAL DAILY TRIPS, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO NO IMPACTS TO THE ROADWAY SEGMENTS OR INTERSECTIONS OR THE SAFETY AROUND OUR PROJECT SITE.
ANOTHER TOPIC OF CONCERN IS THAT OF PARKING.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A DENSITY BONUS PROJECT, WE ARE NOT REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION FROM THE PARKING STANDARDS, AND AS SHANNON PREVIOUSLY SAID, ACCORDING TO STATE LAW, WE ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 78 SPACES.
NOW, IF WE WERE JUST TO TAKE THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO 196 SPACES, BUT FOR US, WE ARE PROPOSING 277 BECAUSE BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE FROM OUR OTHER PROJECTS, WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NUMBER THAT WILL ADEQUATELY PARK OUR PROJECT WITH NO NO SURROUNDING IMPACTS TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
NOW, THE THIRD CONCERN WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT WAS THE ARCHITECTURE AND HOW THAT WILL FIT IN WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR QUITE A WHILE. SO WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO IT.
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COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS AS WELL AS ATTENDING AND LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS MADE AT THE CITIZENS DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS , AND FINALLY, WHEN THOSE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS CAME OUT, IT BASICALLY CONFIRMED THAT OUR PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS FOR THIS AREA.NOW, ONE WAY TO DEMONSTRATE HOW WE CONCLUDED OUR ARCHITECTURE FITS WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS SHOWN IN THIS EXHIBIT WHERE THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT SHARE OUR PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THE CARLYLE CONDOS, AND ALSO GRAND JEFFERSON, AND WHEN YOU PUT OUR PROJECT NEXT TO THOSE OTHER PROJECTS, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE INCORPORATED SIMILAR COLORS, MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLINGS BECAUSE WE FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AS WELL AS PRESENT, A PROJECT THAT HAS ARCHITECTURAL PROFILE THAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROVEN AS ACCEPTABLE BY THE [INAUDIBLE].
I GOT JUST A COUPLE MORE SLIDES HERE.
I'LL BE QUICK HERE, AND AS YOU CONSIDER YOUR DECISION FOR THIS PROJECT, BESIDES JUST THE DETAILS, I REQUEST THAT YOU BASE YOUR DECISION NOT JUST ON THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO CONSIDER THE TIMES THAT WE'RE IN I THINK IT'S EASY TO SAY THE HOUSING CRISIS HAS TOUCHED US ALL IN SOME WAY AND IT'S GOTTEN TO AN EXTREME LEVEL.
THERE IS NOT JUST ONE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, BUT APPROVING PROJECTS LIKE OURS WHICH ARE PROVIDING MORE HOUSING IN THE RIGHT PLACES WILL INCREMENTALLY HELP THIS HOUSING SITUATION WE'RE IN.
LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE UNITS FROM THE HOPE APARTMENTS PROJECT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY MEETING ITS STATE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND ITS RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN PLANNING FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IN THIS LOCATION FOR MANY YEARS THROUGH THE PREPARATION AND ADOPTION OF SEVERAL LONG RANGE DOCUMENTS, AND AS YOU HEARD IN SHANNON'S PRESENTATION, THE HOPE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE PLANNING DOCUMENTS, AND OVERALL, IT WILL HELP CARLSBAD REACH THEIR ESTABLISHED HOUSING GOALS AND JUST MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
SO WITH THAT, MY PRESENTATION CONCLUDES AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER STINE. YES...
I WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON THE WAIVER ISSUES, SIR.
YOU'VE ASKED FOR THREE WAIVERS.
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FOURTH FLOOR SQUARE FOOTAGE WAIVER AND THE BUILDING MASTER WAIVER? WHY DO YOU NEED THOSE? WHY HAVE YOU ASKED FOR THOSE? YEAH, I'LL TAKE PART OF IT, AND YOU TAKE THE OTHER PART? SURE. THE REAL SIMPLE ONE IS WHEN I INCREASE THE DENSITY ON THE FOURTH FLOOR.
[INAUDIBLE] EXCUSE ME. CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE MIC FOR THE RECORD? SORRY. THE A SIMPLE WAY TO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT IS CORRECT.
OKAY, AND YOU ALSO OWN THE LOFTS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
RIGHT? YES, SIR, AND COULD YOU COMPARE THE BUILDING MASSING AS PROPOSED IN THIS PROJECT WITH THE MASSING, IF YOU WILL, OR THE UNDULATION, THE SETBACKS IN THE LOFTS? I REALLY CAN'T. I MEAN, I CAN'T DO IT FOR A MATTER OF FACT, I CAN JUST SPEAK FROM JUST LOOKING AT THE BUILDING.
THAT BUILDING WAS I THINK WE GOT IT ENTITLED EITHER 2016, 2018.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE CODES OR THE REQUIREMENTS WERE BACK IN THOSE DAYS BECAUSE THEY WERE EVER CHANGING, BUT FROM A MASSING STANDPOINT THE CODE WHEN YOU READ IT IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
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TRYING TO GET YOU TO DO IS BREAK UP THE BUILDING MASSING, AND WE ACHIEVE THAT BY REALLY AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF, BUT WE ACHIEVED THAT BY THE ROOF DECK STEPPING BACK 30FT.THE HE ALL OF THE BALCONIES STEPPING BACK FIVE FEET.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SOLID PLANE LIKE A TILT UP, LIKE AN AMAZON BUILDING, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THAT CODE IS REALLY TRYING TO GET YOU FROM MY OPINION AND SO IF YOU'RE BUILDING THIS SORT OF DENSITY, THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT IN A TASTEFUL WAY AND CREATING THOSE SETBACKS.
BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE LOFTS AND I WAS OUT THIS AFTERNOON.
IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, BY THE WAY, THE LOFTS, AND I SAW THOSE SETBACKS THERE, AND I WAS SAYING, OKAY, WHY COULDN'T WE DO SIMILAR SETBACKS HERE? THE LAWS, CHANGED.
I MEAN, THAT WAS BUILT, WHEN DID YOU SAY THAT WAS APPROVED, THE LOFTS? I WANT TO SAY 2016 OR 18, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL CHANGED ON THAT AND IT ALL BLURS TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'LL COMPLIMENT THAT, BUT I WAS JUST HOPING THAT YOU COULD BUILD IT WITH THE SAME UNDULATION OR SETBACK SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE THE MASSING AS YOU DID IN THE LOFTS.
YEAH, AND WE LIKE I SAID IN MY PRESENTATION, WE HOLD THESE BUILDINGS LONG TERM, AND SO THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON IT ON THESE BUILDINGS IS NOT A INEXPENSIVE WAY TO DESIGN THE BUILDINGS.
SO TO SPEAK, WHEN DESIGNING THIS BUILDING.
SO I THINK I WISH I HAD THE PHYSICAL MATERIALS THAT I COULD SHOW YOU.
THANK YOU. TO PIGGYBACK ON COMMISSIONER STINE'S COMMENT IN REGARD TO THE WAIVER ON THE FOURTH FLOOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, I'M JUST GOING TO ELABORATE JUST A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, MEANING THE CITY, ADOPTED THE VILLAGE BARRIO MASTER PLAN BACK IN 2018, INITIALLY I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS OF HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS IN THE VILLAGE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FOURTH FLOOR SETBACKS IN ORDER TO, IN OTHER WORDS, DEAL WITH THE MASSING ASPECT OF IT AND PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE AT THE BUILDING ITSELF, MOST OFTEN BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SEE THE FOURTH FLOOR, AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AND I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP FROM THE STANDPOINT OF JUST CLARIFICATION THAT AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DENSITY BONUS BECAUSE WE TODAY NOW ARE DEALING WITH STATE LAW AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DENSITY BONUS AND WHATEVER, AND YOU AS A DEVELOPER ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND RIGHTLY SO AND IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT BE UNDERSTOOD THAT I KNOW THE CITY HAS DELVED INTO AND TRYING TO ASSURE THAT THE CONCEPT, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE VILLAGE BE APPEALING.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH DENSITY BONUS, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE WHAT YOU CAN FOR THE PROJECT AND RIGHTLY SO, BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN DOING WHAT YOU CAN ARCHITECTURALLY TO ONE, MEET YOUR DENSITY BONUS, BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, I WANTED TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT AS TO WHAT THE CITY'S INTENT WAS IN WANTING TO LOOK AT THAT FOURTH FLOOR ISSUE AND TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THE DENSITY BONUS, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE.
THE EVEN WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH IS LIKE THE INTENT OF THE CODE IS FOR THE FOURTH FLOOR BECAUSE WHEN IT'S ON CARLSBAD VILLAGE TO REALLY BE STEP BACK, BUT WHEN YOU REALLY TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING, WE'RE 100 AND I THINK 24FT FROM 160, SORRY, THERE'S MY ARCHITECT KNOWING THE NUMBERS, THE 160FT FROM CARLSBAD VILLAGE, AND THEN THE ONE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS GRAND AVENUE, IS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE ROOFTOP DECK, PULLING THAT FOURTH FLOOR BACK.
SO IT USED TO PATRICK WHISPERING TO ME, IT USED TO BE ON THE OTHER CORNER, AND WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY, THEY MADE A POINT TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE? AND I PERSONALLY PREFERRED IT TO BE ON THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE SIDE.
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BUT BECAUSE OF THIS CODE, WE ACTUALLY CHANGED IT SO WE COULD WE COULD BE IN BETTER LINE WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I HAD A WONDERFUL TIME READING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION.
TWO THINGS THAT STRIKE ME ON THE SITE PLAN THAT ARE OF CONCERN THAT I THINK ARE SAFETY ISSUES, AND I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO MAKING SOME MODIFICATIONS.
THE MEANDERING SIDEWALK ON GRAND.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? WELL, THE PURPOSE WITHOUT MY ENGINEER COMMENTING IS REALLY CREATING TWO THINGS, AND I DON'T WANT TO DIVE BACK INTO THE OTHER QUESTION I THINK IS COMING BUT IT'S REALLY TRYING TO CREATE A PASEO ENVIRONMENT.
I TRIED TO CREATE IT ONE ON GRAND AVENUE FROM A SENSE OF PATH OF TRAVEL AND FURTHERMORE TRYING TO CREATE A SYNERGY IN BETWEEN THE LOFTS PROJECT AND THIS HOPE PROJECT THAT THE DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN REALLY BECAUSE NOW IT'S A SHARED USE.
ONE THING THAT KILLS RETAIL, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT'S PARKING AND WALKABILITY.
IF I DON'T HAVE THOSE TWO THINGS, THOSE RETAIL AREAS STRUGGLE.
SO TRYING TO CREATE AND I'M JUMPING TO I THINK YOUR NEXT COMMENT WHICH IS I'M TRYING TO CREATE WHEN PEOPLE GO DOWN AND THEY'RE ON THE STREET LEVEL, WHAT'S THEIR EXPERIENCE AND WHAT'S THEIR EXPERIENCE AND HOW DO THEY GET THERE? AND WE CREATE A PATH OF TRAVEL THAT IS MORE INVITING THAN JUST A STRAIGHT SHOT DOWN TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE, AND FURTHERMORE, THE WAY THE LOFTS FUNCTIONS WHEN TALKING TO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, WHERE THERE QUITE OFTEN IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING GRAND A LOT MORE.
WHEN I FIRST DID THE LOFTS, I ASSUMED EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO GO DOWN CARLSBAD VILLAGE.
YEAH, THAT DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION.
YEAH, GO AHEAD. ARE YOU AMENABLE TO CHANGING IT AND MAKING IT STRAIGHT? WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO? BECAUSE FROM A PERSPECTIVE, FROM A FEMALE PERSPECTIVE OF NIGHTTIME IN A DEAD END CUL DE SAC, THAT'S UNSAFE.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THIS A STRAIGHT JUST VERY SIMPLE, VERY CLEAR, VERY SAFE SIDEWALK ON GRAND? WE ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK, AND IT WAS WORKING WITH THE CITY TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO MAKE THAT A MORE, LIKE AUSTIN WAS SAYING, A MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY TYPE OF EXPERIENCE, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE UTILITIES IN THERE AND JUST KIND OF WORK OUR WAY WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT STRAIGHT AND THROUGH WORKING WITH THE CITY CAME UP WITH THIS MEANDERING DESIGN, WHICH WHETHER OR NOT IT CHANGES OR NOT, IT DEFINITELY, I THINK ENHANCES THAT EXPERIENCE OVERALL.
HOW MANY WOMEN ARE ON YOUR TEAM? TONIGHT? WOMEN ON YOUR TEAM.
SO MAYBE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT MAKING MEANDERING SIDEWALKS, AS YOU CALL IT, THAT CREATE ATMOSPHERE COULD BECOME DANGEROUS AND PROBLEMATIC TO SOMEONE WHO MAYBE ISN'T QUITE AS LUCKY AS YOU GUYS.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT PLEASE MAKE SIDEWALKS SAFE SO PEOPLE CAN STAY SAFE.
SO ARE YOU WILLING TO REEVALUATE THAT AND HAVE THIS AS A CONDITION TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK? YEAH, I DON'T REALLY SEE I LOOK AT MY ENGINEER.
NO, I DON'T REALLY SEE A MAJOR ISSUE.
I NEED TO DEFER TO THE PLANNERS AS TO HOW TO CREATE THAT, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO CREATE THAT DIRECT VIEW AND VISTA SO THAT EVERYONE IS NOT WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THESE BOXES WHERE PEOPLE ARE HIDING BEHIND THEM ALL THE TIME.
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IT'S REALLY PROBLEMATIC.WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE HERE AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS PROJECT BECOME ONE OF THOSE PROBLEMS. SO STRAIGHT SIDEWALKS TO ME ARE GOING TO REALLY HELP THAT SITUATION.
I AGREE WITH YOU, AND COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, IF I COULD JUST SAY PROCEDURALLY, IF THAT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN A RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN BETWEEN THE TIME OF THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU, BUT FOR A CLEAR ANSWER, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE OTHER CONNECTION IS THE GROCERY STORE ACROSS THE STREET IN OUR ORDINANCE, WE REFERENCE.
THAT GROCERY STORE, THE PHARMACY, THE HARDWARE STORE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT'S WHERE THE ALL OF THE CARS ARE GOING TO COME IN AND OUT FROM THAT AREA.
TRYING TO CROSS THAT BETWEEN CARS I THINK IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, AND THE GROCERY STORE IS ACTUALLY SOUTH EAST OF THAT, CORRECT? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO SO IS THE PARK.
SO IS THE YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THE THING THAT YOU WOULD GO ON GRAND FOR WOULD BE THE TRAIN STATION, MAYBE THE POST OFFICE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AND TO BE HONEST, I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE BECAUSE OF THE JOCKEYING OF THE CARS AND ALL OF THE CARL'S JR.
TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO GO IN AND OUT OF THERE.
WOULDN'T THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN THE PARKING TO JUST HAVE A PATHWAY, A WALKWAY, A SIDEWALK WHERE THOSE TREES COME STRAIGHT DOWN BETWEEN THE TWO AISLES OF PARKING.
SO THE ISSUE IS, WHICH I WISH I HAVE A LASER POINTER AT THIS POINT, AND IT DOESN'T POINT ON THE SCREEN. IT DOESN'T POINT ON THE SCREEN.
SO I JUST YOU KNOW, I MADE THE COMMENT AND I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT MYSELF FOR THE PASEO ON WHAT THE LOGIC WAS AND HOW TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AREA, BUT THE ONLY ONE USING THE SHARED DRIVEWAY ARE THE LOFTS, THIS PROJECT AND CARL'S JR.
I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN USE THIS AREA.
I CAN'T REALLY STOP THEM FROM USING IT.
THERE'S AN EASEMENT THERE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO USE THIS PRIVATE DRIVE.
THE ISSUE IS THIS WHAT I DON'T LIKE: THE CARL'S JR.
YOU DRIVE IN HERE AND IT TURNS DOWN AND THE DISTANCE HERE FOR THEM TO CUT CUT ACROSS HERE I THINK IS BY STUDYING THIS I FIND IT MORE DANGEROUS TO CREATE A A ANOTHER PATHWAY THROUGH HERE IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, AND SO FROM OUR EXPERIENCE BEING ON SITE FULL TIME ON HOW PEOPLE ARE MAKING THAT TURN TO CARL'S JR, WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO CROSS BEFORE AND THEN GO IN FRONT OF THE RETAIL TO GET TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE.
SO THAT WAS THE LOGIC THAT WE APPLIED, BUT I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT ARE YOU DEVELOPING THIS BEFORE THE STATE OF EMERGENCY THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES BEING HIT OR WAS THIS DEVELOPED AFTER? SO, SO I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE DON'T CREATE, AND IT'S THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO SPECIFICALLY REQUESTS DIRECT CONNECTION TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE. RIGHT. THAT'S REALLY THIS WHOLE THING.
SO I JUST WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE WITH A SAFE, MOST DIRECT ROUTE.
PEOPLE WILL ULTIMATELY CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
I AGREE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO EAST TO GO.
YEAH, I COULD MAKE A SIDEWALK THERE.
I CAN'T GET RID OF THE ACCESS TO CARL'S JR.
YEAH, I THINK. I THINK THAT IS PLAUSIBLE.
OKAY, BECAUSE I'M HOPING THAT WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS KEEP THE KIDS THEY'RE GOING TO GO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE WATER.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO THE WAY THEY WANT TO GO.
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SO HAVING A SECONDARY ACCESS LIKE YOU'RE REQUESTING IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA IF IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE AMENABLE TO.THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE A LOT OF FAMILIES AND THAT WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS, BUT WE WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO JOCKEY THROUGH CARS AND I MEAN, JUST A SMALL DEDICATED SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO PUSH THAT BABY STROLLER THROUGH WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.
SO AND DIRECT, AS DIRECT AS POSSIBLE IS OBVIOUSLY TO ME WHAT'S GOING TO I THINK FOR A SAFETY ISSUE IS GOING TO REALLY IMPROVE THE WAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT GETS UTILIZED.
THIS ISN'T A LEGAL ISSUE, BUT AS I LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH IN THAT AREA YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A CONCRETE SWALE FOR DRAINAGE I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH DESIGNING FROM THE DAIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH I CAN LOOK BACK AT MY ENGINEER.
WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UNLESS YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE.
I DID ENJOY THE SUMMATION OF THE COMMENTS ON PAGE SIX OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND THE COASTAL ELEMENTS IN MODERN ARCHITECTURE IS I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE CONCERNED WITH THAT.
MAYBE THEY DON'T WRITE IT DOWN AND SEND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING IN THE GROCERY STORE, THOSE EXAMPLES YOU SHOWED AREN'T ALWAYS THOUGHT OF FAVORABLY. SO I WANTED YOU TO CONSIDER USING LIGHTER COLORS AS THE BARRIO PLAN RECOMMENDS, IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
[INAUDIBLE] ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.
I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THE PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC PROJECT.
I THINK WE LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE NEED HOUSING.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE DISCUSSED HERE.
COMMISSIONER HUBINGER. [INAUDIBLE] THOSE ARE GREAT. CAN WE SAVE--ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO SAVE THOSE FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AT THE END, IF THAT'D BE OKAY.
OKAY. SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, ASK A QUESTION, BUT WE WANT TO SAVE THE COMMENTS SECTION FOR THAT PART. GOT IT. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE ASK.
SO IS THERE DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT IN THE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD THAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED TO BE DEVELOPED? NOT NOT AT THIS MOMENT.
SO WHEN YOU DID THE LOFTS YOU HAD, DID YOU OWN THIS PROPERTY? I DID NOT. OKAY.
YEAH. THE YOU KNOW, I SAT BACK MAYBE EIGHT YEARS AGO AND WHERE DO I WANT TO DEVELOP? AND I SEE A LOT OF WHAT I CONSIDER BLACK HAT DEVELOPERS.
SO I'M LIKE IF I'M GOING TO DEVELOP, I WANT TO DEVELOP IN MY BACKYARD.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO BE CANDID WITH YOU.
SO WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY TO HAVE MORE PROJECTS AT THE MOMENT, BUT I'M ALWAYS LOOKING.
YEAH. I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU TOO.
YEAH. THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO IT'S INTERESTING YOU DEVELOPED THE LOFTS AND YOU'VE HAD THAT PROJECT FOR A WHILE.
HOW DID YOUR EXPERIENCES IN THAT OR WHAT YOU SAW HAPPEN AT THE LOSS? DID THAT AFFECT ANY OF THE WAYS THAT THE DESIGNS OR THINGS YOU DID? I GUESS, WHAT DID YOU LEARN OR SEE FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE LOSS AND HOW MAY HAVE THAT AFFECTED ANYTHING IN YOUR DESIGN OR ANYTHING YOU PUT INTO THIS PROJECT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THERE'S NOT.
I MEAN, I LEARN SOMETHING EVERY EVERY DAY, RIGHT? WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO WE TAKE WE HAVE A REAL LARGE GROUP OF OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE TAKING EXPERIENCE FROM, NOT ONLY FROM OUR OWN ORGANIZATIONS ON THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE BUILDING, BUT ALSO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, THE AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE GROUND, HOW PEOPLE LIVE, HOW PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING, WHY WE'VE CHOSEN TO DO MORE OPEN SPACE THAN PATIO, BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT A SENSE OF COMMUNITY FOR THE BUILDINGS.
THEY WANT MORE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THEIR APARTMENT BUILDINGS BECAUSE AS WE BUILD MORE DENSITY JUST ACROSS THE BOARD, UNITS GET SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO AND SO CREATING AREAS THAT ARE LARGER, OPEN SPACE WHERE YOU CAN MEET YOUR NEIGHBOR AND REALLY
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MAKE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY FROM THE LOSS.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, THE PRESENTATION, THE PART ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL PATIOS VERSUS, BUT YOU GUYS FAR EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT OF COMMON SPACE.
SO I GUESS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE IS SUCH THAT GOING OFF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT HAVING THE OPEN SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER AND SPREAD OUT MORE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INDIVIDUAL PATIOS? WELL, IDEALLY, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YOU HAVE YOUR CAKE AND YOU EAT IT TOO BUT IN ALL ACTUALITY, I MEAN THE GENERAL STANDARD AND YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR OTHER JURISDICTIONS OR AREAS JUST NOT THIS ONE IS WE'RE EXCEEDING THE PATIOS IN YOUR OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
YES YOU WANT A SENSE OF COMMUNITY A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE, AND NOW YOU SEE YOUNG PEOPLE SITTING AT STARBUCKS JUST BEING AROUND THE ENERGY, BEING OUTSIDE, INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY LIVES IN APARTMENT BUILDING OR HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.
BEING STUCK IN YOUR UNIT 24/7 WITH MY TWO LITTLE KIDS, NOT THE GREATEST EXPERIENCE.
SO SOMEWHERE I COULD GO, PUT THEM DOWNSTAIRS, RUN AROUND WHILE I CAN STILL WORK IS SUPER BENEFICIAL.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
WE HAVE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, GARY NESSIM.
GARY NESSIM 2987 HIGHLAND DRIVE.
IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO PUT PEOPLE'S ADDRESSES ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE SLIPS THAT YOU FILL IN.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ASK THAT.
FIRST THING, THIS WASN'T A DESIRED STYLE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THIS WAS THE DESIRED SITE FROM STAFF.
STAFF LIKES THE STYLE BECAUSE DEVELOPERS LIKE THE STYLE.
ALL OF YOUR NEW BUILDINGS ARE THIS STYLE BUILDING, AND EVENTUALLY THE VILLAGE WILL BE OVERWHELMED BY JUST THIS STYLE OF BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PUSHED UNFAVORABLE AND IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT STYLE OF BUILDING.
SO IF YOU ALLOW THAT, THAT'S ALL WE'RE GOING TO GET.
I HAVE A COMMENT ON CARL'S JR.
SO FROM THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN UNDER GOOD NEIGHBOR BUILDING GROUNDS INCLUDING PARKING LANDSCAPING PEDESTRIAN AREAS SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY MANNER AT ALL TIMES, AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY WENT A LITTLE WHILE AGO TO SEE CARL'S JR, BUT IF YOU WENT IN THE MORNING OR THE EVENING YOU'D FIND IT'S THE PARKING LOTS A MESS WITH TRASH AND IT'S NOT CLEANED UP AND IT'S ALREADY MANAGED BY THE DEVELOPER.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO AS THEY ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, AND TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CHANGE HOW CARL'S JR. OPERATES, AND THAT'S OUR GATEWAY INTO THE COMMUNITY THE THIS PARTICULAR ROAD.
SO I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT AND I'M ALSO READ FROM THE MASTER PLAN THAT THE I-5 INTERCHANGE AT CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE FORMS THE PRIMARY ENTRIES INTO THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE CENTER.
SO THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT SITE.
YOU REALLY DON'T WANT CARL'S JR.
STAFF NEEDS TO REQUEST ENHANCED LANDSCAPING LOADS OF TREES TO HIDE THE BUILDING FROM CARL'S JR.
THE RESIDENTS IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTERPLAN.
IT SAYS THAT THE COMMERCIAL AREA SHALL BE SCREENED FROM THE RESIDENTS FROM THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
IN THIS CASE, THERE SHOULD BE LOTS OF LANDSCAPING IN THE CARL'S JR.
PARKING LOT THAT SCREENS THE RESIDENTS OF THIS PROJECT FROM THE CARL'S JR.
THAT'S THERE, LET ALONE SCREENING THE BUILDING FROM CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE, AND THERE'S ROOM IN THAT PARKING LOT THERE ALSO SHOULD BE ENHANCED PAVING AND THERE SHOULD BE A SIDEWALK.
YOU WOULDN'T LET THAT HAPPEN? WELL, THERE WASN'T 140 OR 50 YEARS AGO, BUT THERE'S NO REASON YOU COULDN'T.
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IT SHOULD HAVE OUTDOOR DINING, IT SHOULD HAVE A PATIO THAT'S LANDSCAPED LOADS OF TREES.SO FOR IT TO GET THROUGH STAFF WITHOUT THAT OCCURRING IS REALLY UNACCEPTABLE, AND YOU SHOULDN'T LET IT PASS THROUGH HERE TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT MUCH ENHANCED CARL'S JR.
IF CARL'S JR. IS GOING TO BE STAYING.
HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I'LL GO FOR. HOW ABOUT A MINUTE? 30 SECONDS. 30 SECONDS.
OKAY. THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTERPLAN CALLS FOR PARKING LOTS NOT TO UP THE COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHICH THE DEVELOPER OWNS, ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES, HAVE A NICE WALKABLE FRONT EXCEPT CARL'S JR , AND YOU REALLY WANT THIS TO BE MORE LIKE THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES HAVE GOT A PET HOSPITAL.
LOURDES MEXICAN RESTAURANT, SOON TO HAVE A CHINESE RESTAURANT, A WORKOUT PLACE.
YOU WANT TO WALK BY THERE? WELL, YOU'RE LEAVING A BIG OPEN SPACE WITH THE CARL'S JR.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKER SLIPS? OKAY, SO WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND? SO TO RESPOND ON A FEW OF THOSE COMMENTS, I THINK THE AND ALSO LET THE RECORD SHOW THE INDIVIDUAL WHO CAME UP HERE. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM FOR YEARS.
HE CARES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN REASONABLE WITH ME.
I'VE TALKED TO HIM FOR FOR MANY YEARS ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT ISSUES.
THAT'S FIRST OFF. SECOND OFF, I THINK I MADE THE POINT ON ON CARL'S JR.
WHY IT'S NEEDED, BUT THE TRASH AND THOSE THINGS, IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T COME FROM.
IT ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE HOTEL, WHICH WAS A BIG MOTIVATOR FOR ME TO PURCHASE THE HOTEL BECAUSE IF YOU TALK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF CARLSBAD, THAT IS A FRIENDLY STOPPING GROUND. EVEN WHEN WE GOT RID OF THE MOTEL SIX, IT IS A PROBLEM AND REDEVELOPMENT IS HOW TO STOP THAT SORT OF TRANSIENT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE LONG TERM, AND THEN FOR THE STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, I THINK WE'VE MADE OUR POINT.
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR A DEVELOPER TO NOT HAVE A SET, A SET STANDARD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW SOME GUIDELINES THAT WE TRY, AND SO LIKE WE SAID IN OUR PRESENTATION, WE DID A COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
WE TALKED TO PEOPLE, WE LISTENED TO LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
IF I ASKED EVERYBODY RIGHT HERE WHAT KIND OF TILE DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN YOUR BATHROOM? IT'S GOING TO BE A SIX HOUR DISCUSSION.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, AND SO THE MORE WE CAN GET THE JURISDICTIONS TO HAVE VERY CLEAR RULES AND REGULATIONS, FOR US, THE BETTER IT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE TYPES OF COMMENTS. SO WITH THAT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS' TIME TONIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WOULD STAFF LIKE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED? THANK YOU. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
MR. NESSIM MADE A STATEMENT THAT THIS IS THE PREFERRED STYLE OF STAFF AND THAT IS INCORRECT.
I HAD A LONG DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT BACK AND FORTH AND WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT I COULD NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT STYLE. THERE IS NOT A RECOMMENDED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, SO THIS WAS THE SELECTION OF THE APPLICANT.
THE CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
WE DID THE BEST THAT WE COULD ALONG THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE FRONTAGE.
WE'RE BALANCING A LOT OF INTERESTS HERE--A COUPLE, I SHOULD SAY.
THE INTERESTS THE STATEMENT IN OUR MOBILITY SECTION OF THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN REGARDING WIDENING THE SIDEWALK TO A RANGE OF 10 TO 15FT. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE BASE MINIMUM AS TO WHAT IT'S RECOMMENDED IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN, AND THAT'S THE TEN FOOT WIDTH.
SO IF WE WERE TO MAKE IT ANY WIDER, WE'D ACTUALLY REMOVE SOME OF THE PARKING, WHICH WE CANNOT DO.
THIS IS AN APPROVED PROJECT WITH APPROVED PARKING.
SO AS A TRADE OFF, WE FELT THE BEST THAT WE COULD DO IN THIS LEGAL NONCONFORMING SITUATION IS TO REQUIRE SOME TREES IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING LOT.
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FELT THAT THE WIDER SIDEWALK WAS MORE IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING WE HAD ASKED FOR THE LOFTS PROJECT TO THE EAST, AND THIS WAS THE BEST THAT WE COULD DO.THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF COMMISSIONER? STINE YES, MR. WERMERS. I WAS PICKED UP ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE TRASH IN THE CARL'S JR.
WELL, WHEN I WAS OVER THERE THIS AFTERNOON, I DIDN'T SEE MUCH IN THE CARL'S JR.
QUESTION TO YOU WAS THAT HOTEL IS GOING AWAY AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 100, AND HOW MANY UNITS AGAIN? 156 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HAVING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX VERSUS A KIND OF A LOW END HOTEL IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION? AND IF SO, WHY? YES, I DO.
THE REASON WHY IS I LIVE THERE.
I'M NOT THERE FOR THREE DAYS VISITING CARLSBAD AND LEAVING.
THE PERSON'S GOING TO LIVE THERE, GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE TRASH.
THEIR EXPERIENCE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
IT'S THE SAME REASON WHY YOU DON'T THROW THE YOU NEVER LITTER IN YOUR OWN LIVING ROOM.
THAT SAME SORT OF PREMISE IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE LESS OF THAT.
SO YOU WOULD BELIEVE THAT TENANTS WOULD TEND--WE'RE GENERALIZING OF COURSE--TENANTS WOULD TEND TO--LONG TERM TENANTS--WOULD TEND TO TAKE CARE OF THE SURROUNDING GROUNDS BETTER THAN RESIDENTS OF A HOTEL THAT MAY BE JUST THERE FOR OVERNIGHT OR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
YEAH,[INAUDIBLE] JUST ANSWER IT.
THAT'S FINE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF? OKAY. OH, YES. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
I THINK IT'S JUST FOR THE STAFF.
THANKS. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT IN THE COASTAL PROGRAM, THIS IS NOT IN THE COASTAL ZONE, CORRECT? SO CORRECT. OKAY, BUT THE COASTAL PLAN HAS A CRITERIA ABOUT HOTEL ROOMS, AFFORDABLE HOTEL ROOMS. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT REMOVING THIS PARTICULAR AFFORDABLE HOTEL WOULD DO TO THAT PROGRAM? AND IS THAT A FACTOR? HAS THIS BEEN FACTORED INTO THAT OR ARE THEY ONLY IN THE COASTAL ZONE THAT THOSE HOTELS ARE REQUIRED? SO OUR LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY MOSTLY IN OUR DRAFT LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM, BUT THERE'S POLICIES WITH RESPECT TO RETENTION AND PRESERVATION OF EXISTING LOW COST VISITOR ACCOMMODATION.
SO WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THAT POLICY WILL SET.
THEY HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND THINGS THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONALLY FOR THAT PROJECT.
SO IT'S, I GUESS, STILL IN FLUX OF WHAT EXACTLY THE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS.
SO WOULD THIS HOTEL BE IMPACTED OR WOULD WE LOSE UNITS? I GUESS BECAUSE TECHNICALLY WE'RE LOSING UNITS, RIGHT, OF LOW COST HOTEL ROOMS VERY NEAR THE COASTAL ZONE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE COASTAL ZONE IS STILL KIND OF UP? THE COASTAL QUESTION OF HOTEL ROOMS IS STILL UP IN THE AIR? WITH RESPECT TO THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION.
IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL ZONE, SO IT HAS NO BEARING ON THOSE POLICIES.
SEPARATELY, WE DON'T KNOW THE FINAL FORM OF THOSE POLICIES BECAUSE THOSE ARE STILL BEING NEGOTIATED, BUT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT IMPACT THAT EITHER WAY.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE, AND I GUESS MAYBE THE IS THIS THE TIME WHEN I ASK ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS? WELL, I BELIEVE NEXT WOULD BE COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? I DID SO, AND MISS HARKER, YOU ALLUDED TO A LITTLE BIT, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CARL'S JR., SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING BUILDING, YOU HAVE A MINIMUM PARKING RATIO FOR THAT BUILDING.
YOU WIDEN THE SIDEWALK, AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THERE'S JUST NO MORE ROOM TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT BLOWING WHAT WOULD BE THE NECESSARY PARKING RATIO FOR THE CARL'S JR.? CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
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I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE SLIGHTLY OVER PARKED.I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT, BUT THIS IS AN APPROVED PROJECT WITH AN APPROVED SITE PLAN LAYOUT.
OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
SO YOU JUST LOOKED I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT I THINK YOUR COMMENT WAS IT WAS BASED ON YOU FELT LIKE THE BEST SOLUTION WAS TO BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO WIDEN THE SIDEWALK, PUT THE TREES UP, AND THERE JUST WASN'T ANY MORE ROOM TO WORK WITH IN TERMS OF OUTDOOR SEATING OR LANDSCAPING OR THINGS.
YOU JUST THE ROOM JUST WASN'T THERE.
IT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU CAME DOWN TO, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT.
YEAH. OH, YEAH. COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT THEN.
YOU SAID IT'S ALREADY AN APPROVED PROJECT, THE CARL'S JR.
, AND YET WE'RE ACTUALLY RE-PARCELING IT.
SO WOULDN'T IT ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE NEW PARCEL REQUIREMENTS AND THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN? I AM GOING TO DEFER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT QUESTION.
IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE A NON-CONFORMING LEGAL USE BECAUSE IT PREEXISTED THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN. OKAY, BUT IT'S A WHOLE NEW PARCEL, SO I'M.
THE PARCEL IS NEW, BUT THE BUILDING IS NOT.
THE BUILDING IS NOT, BUT HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE PARKING? WOULD NEW PARKING REQUIREMENTS BE APPLICABLE TO THAT IF YOU REQUESTED PARKING, WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN? THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE ON SITE FOR THAT PARKING AND IF WE HAD REQUESTED IT, I'M JUST POSTULATING, BUT WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GOT A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER, BUT SINCE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN FROM THE BEGINNING, WE DIDN'T WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THAT PATH.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, SO SEEING NONE WILL NOW OPEN COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
WELL, WHEN THESE DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS COME IN, OFTENTIMES AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WE'RE PREPARED FOR DEVELOPERS TO TAKE A LOT OF LIBERTIES, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE LAW ALLOWS THAT IN EXCHANGE FOR ADDED AFFORDABILITY AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE LAW, BUT THIS PROJECT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY SURPRISES, IN MY OPINION.
I SEE IT EVERY SINGLE TIME I COME TO THESE CHAMBERS, AND FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE APPLICANT DID NOT REQUEST ANY CONCESSIONS OR INCENTIVES.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALLOWED UP TO TWO IN THIS SCENARIO, BUT THEY DID NOT REQUEST ANY.
THEY ARE PROVIDING ALMOST 200 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO UNDER STATE LAW.
THE WAIVERS THEY REQUESTED ARE NECESSARY TO GET THE PROPOSED DENSITY.
GIVEN THE VERY UNIQUE CONSTRAINTS OF THE HORIZONTAL MIXED USE TRACT MAP THAT WE ARE ASKED TO APPROVE, AND THE ONLY REASON WE COULD DENY THIS PROJECT IS IF WE COULD POINT TO AN ADVERSE IMPACT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
SO I LISTENED VERY CLOSELY TO THE LINE OF QUESTIONING BY COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY ABOUT THE PROXIMITY TO THE FREEWAY, BUT I FIND THE PRECEDENT SET BY THE LOFTS TO BE PERSUASIVE AGAINST DECLARING ANY SORT OF ADVERSE IMPACT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
SO I READ ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I DECLINED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
I THINK THAT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.
I THINK THIS PROJECT FOLLOWS THE RULES AND WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THE PERMITS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
GOOD THOUGHTS? YES, I THINK THE PROJECT IS AN OUTSTANDING PROJECT GIVEN WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.
WE DO HAVE A HOUSING ISSUE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, AND I THINK THAT THIS WILL ASSIST US IN OUR VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY, AS LONG AS OTHER CITIES HAVE REGARDING PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I THINK GIVEN THAT THEY ARE APPROVING THE
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20 UNITS, WHICH WAS LOW, LOW, WHICH I THINK WILL ASSIST AS WELL.I THINK ALSO THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE A FINE JOB IN TRYING TO INCORPORATE THE ARCHITECTURE STYLE OF THE LOFTS AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AS WELL.
I MYSELF, LOOKING AT THE CARL'S JR.
I WOULD PREFER OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVING IT BE THERE AT ALL, BUT I THINK THAT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN TRYING TO MEET THE DENSITY BONUS AND TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE GOALS WERE IN REGARD TO THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE, SAY, NEW PARCEL MAKES SENSE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK THAT I DO THINK THAT THE PROJECT IS ONE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT.
FROM THE PROJECT TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY AGAIN, I KNOW THE EMPHASIS IS ON GRAND AVENUE FROM THE ENTRANCE OF, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE TWO ENTRANCES TO THE PROJECT APPEARS TO BE THAT MANY PEOPLE, GIVEN THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THE LOFTS, THAT THEY WOULD USE GRAND AVENUE VERSUS CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE, BUT YET PEOPLE DO HAVE A TENDENCY OF TRYING TO USE THEIR ACCESS, AND I THINK HAVING SOMETHING WHERE THERE IS A DEDICATED SIDEWALK FROM THE PROJECT TO THE TEN FOOT SIDEWALK ON CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE IS A WISE CHOICE.
IT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THIS IS A MUCH BETTER CHOICE.
SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I DO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND I DO SUPPORT THE SIDEWALK ASPECT OF IT.
SO I'M READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF ANY OTHERS DO NOT HAVE ANY.
SOME MORE FOLKS HAVE ASKED TO MAKE COMMENTS, SO I'LL HOLD THAT.
I ALMOST CLICKED THROUGH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO BROADLY REPEAT THAT I THINK YOU'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE HAVE SUCH AN ACUTE NEED FOR HOUSING.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING TO ME IS IT'S A HUGE UPGRADE TO WHAT'S THERE NOW.
IT'S I MEAN, IF YOU DRIVE BY, IT'S AN OPEN LOT AND A HOTEL THAT I AGREE WITH YOU IN TERMS OF I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THOSE PEOPLE NECESSARILY WOULD HAVE THE INTEREST IN MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY LIKE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT WOULD IN APARTMENTS EVEN MORE SO IF THEY OWNED THEM SOMEDAY.
RIGHT. I INTEND TO VOTE FOR IT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THESE SIDEWALK ISSUES, TO BE HONEST.
I WOULD PREFER THAT THE SIDEWALK ISSUES BE STUDIED AND I WOULD GIVE THE DEVELOPER THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT. I PROBABLY WALK MORE BABIES THAN ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM BECAUSE I HAVE FIVE GRANDCHILDREN AND I'VE BEEN I WALK THEM EVERY OTHER DAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE SAFETY OR NOT.
I'D LIKE YOU TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND BUT NOT REQUIRE YOU TO DO THAT.
I INTEND TO VOTE FOR THE PROJECT, AND COMMISSIONER STINE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THEY SAID.
IN FACT, I AGREE. THEY SAID A LOT OF THE SAME POINTS I HAD ON MY NOTES HERE.
I THINK THIS IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE PROJECT AND I THINK IN LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS AND LOOKING CAREFULLY AT THE LOFTS, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A SYNERGY BETWEEN THE TWO. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD COMBINATION FOR THAT AREA AND CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE HOTEL THAT'S THERE.
NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THE HOTEL THERE NOW IS AN EYESORE DILAPIDATED? IT'S NOT. I WALKED THROUGH IT, BUT THIS DESIGN, A PROJECT LIKE THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX, IS GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS VISUAL IMPROVEMENT.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE AREA NICER.
SO I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS APPLICANT IN THE DESIGN IS VERY SENSITIVE TO OPEN SPACE AND
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AMENITIES. AS HE MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION TODAY, YOU'VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THEIR RESIDENCES TO INTERACT.THEY SHOULDN'T SPEND 24 HOURS A DAY ON A COMPUTER AND GIVING SPACE FOR THAT, AND THIS PROJECT DOES THAT IN THAT COURTYARD AREA.
I COULD SEE PEOPLE CONGREGATING THERE, HAVING A LITTLE MEETINGS THERE, GOING TO THE POOL THERE, SOCIALIZING, NETWORKING, ALL A VERY, VERY GOOD FEATURE. I ALSO, BY THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS THAT I ASKED WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT TRASH AT CARL'S JR., INDICATED THAT IT PRIMARILY CAME FROM THE HOTEL.
I THINK LESS LIKELY TO HAVE ASSUMING IT DOES COME FROM THE HOTEL PRIMARILY.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT ASSUMING THAT'S RIGHT, I THINK PEOPLE LIVING IN AN APARTMENT, LIVING THERE FOR MONTHS OR YEARS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE INVESTED IN TAKING CARE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, THAT SOMEBODY IS THERE FOR A WEEKEND OR OVERNIGHT IN A HOTEL.
I THINK THAT WILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT.
I LIKE THE PROJECT, THE WAIVERS.
IT DOESN'T LOOK THE BUILDING DOESN'T LOOK TOO MESSY TO ME.
NORMALLY I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ASKING AN APPLICANT TO MAKE DESIGN CHANGES FROM THE DAIS.
I THINK OUR ROLE IS TO TAKE THE PROJECT AS THE APPLICANT IS DESIGN IT AND GO UP OR DOWN ON IT CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND APPLICABLE STATE LAW.
HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY WHEN I LISTENED VERY CLOSELY TO HER COMMENTS AND I THINK SHE MADE SOME EXCELLENT POINTS AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT THOUGHT THERE WERE VALID POINTS TOO, AND BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE SAID, YES, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THE STAFF BOTH ON THE SIDEWALK AREA ON GR AND ALSO GIVING A SIDEWALK OF SOME SORT BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE I THINK WOULD BE IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY RAISED SOME EXCELLENT POINTS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER PROJECT WITH THOSE CHANGES.
SO I SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT I IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AGREE AND THE APPLICANT SEEMS TO BE OKAY WITH IT, I WOULD SAY WE'D ADD THOSE TWO ASPECTS TO IT A SIDEWALK, A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK ON THE ON THE BACK NEAR THE GRAND ON GR AND AVE AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK FOR ACCESS TO GET TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STINE.
I HAVE ONE COMMENT, BUT I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST.
YOU GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORT WITH THE SIDEWALKS.
I DO FEEL THAT WE DO WANT TO IMPROVE OUR ACCESS, NOT JUST FOR CARS, NOT JUST FOR THE BUS TRAVEL AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE TRAIN, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY HAS OUR WALKABLE COMMUNITY THAT WE REALLY ALL ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, AND WITH THE STATE OF EMERGENCY, IT SEEMS TO BE HAVE IT SEEMS TO HAVE COME TO THE FOREFRONT THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN ENOUGH SIDEWALKS, WE'RE NOT KIND OF DOING THAT DILIGENCE THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ENCOURAGING SAFE STREET PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S SUPPORT ON THAT.
I DO FEEL HOUSING IS A REALLY IMPORTANT AND IMPORTANT VERY IMPORTANT AND ALSO NECESSARY.
PART OF WHAT THIS VILLAGE AND BARRIO PLAN IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE INCREASED DENSITY, INCREASED HOUSING.
MY OVERALL CONCERN IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FREEWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE.
HAVING PERMANENT RESIDENCES IS A CONCERN TO ME, AND I HOPE THAT THE CONDITION THAT IS HERE IN THE PAGE 25, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT AN STC RATING NUMBER 24 OF THE WINDOWS
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BE ONLY 28.CAL GREEN ACTUALLY REQUIRES WINDOWS EXTERIOR WINDOWS ON BUILDINGS TO BE STC 40.
SO I SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A MINIMUM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CODE, AND WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE THESE BUILDINGS BE VERY WELL INSULATED AND VERY WELL SECURED FROM THAT FREEWAY DUST AND DIRT AND AIR QUALITY PROBLEM THAT IT IS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND THEN UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAD SOME COMMENTS ON THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING PROJECT, AND I THINK WHAT'S I FIND INTERESTING IS THE UNIQUE HISTORY IN THE SENSE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THE PROJECT WITH THE LOFTS, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT DID THEY LEARN ABOUT FROM DOING THAT? AND I THINK THEY UNLIKE STANDARD PROJECT WE SEE THEY HAVE HISTORY AND EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON THE SITE, AND I THINK THAT COUNTS FOR A LOT, AND THE APPLICANT ALSO MADE AN INTERESTING COMMENT I THOUGHT WAS SPOT ON.
I SAID PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO, AND SO AND I THINK COMMISSIONER HUBINGER, I THOUGHT HIS POINT WAS EXTREMELY WELL MADE IN THE SENSE THAT WITH WALKING JUST BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT SIDEWALK SITUATION IS, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF PUTTING FROM THE LOBBY OUT TO THE THING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR NOT BECAUSE THIS APPLICANT SAID PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO, AND SO I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE.
I GUESS I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEVEL OF MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF, BUT I'M NOT AT ALL COMFORTABLE SAYING THEY NEED THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT STRAIGHT SIDEWALK OR THEY NECESSARILY NEED TO PUT IN BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THAT'S NEEDED OR NOT AND AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER A LITTLE BIT A LOT TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT NOT ONLY DEVELOPS A PROJECT BUT HOLDS ON TO IT, AND THEY HAVE THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST BECAUSE IT'S A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AND THEIR EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON THE GROUND NEXT DOOR.
SO I WOULD BE OKAY WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF AS THEY'RE WILLING TO DO, BUT I WOULD NOT BE AT ALL AGREEABLE TO SAYING, NO, THE SIDEWALK HAS TO BE STRAIGHTER. YES, YOU HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK HERE.
SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
WHAT DID YOU WANT TO ADD ON THAT? YEAH, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL INCLUDE THE MEANDERING SIDEWALK.
THAT'S MY CONCERN, AND I THINK MS. HARKER MENTIONED THAT THEY ORIGINALLY I THINK THE APPLICANT SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK, BUT THEN I THINK IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID THE MEANDERING SIDEWALK WAS I THINK WAS THE CITY'S COMMENT ON THAT.
SO IT DOES APPEAR LIKE THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH AGAIN.
THEREFORE, MY HESITATION TO FROM THE DAIS SAY, WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A CONDITION.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF STRIKING THAT CONDITION FROM THE RESOLUTION? I AM GOING TO DEFER TO DAVID [INAUDIBLE] OF OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE YOU REFERRING TO STRIKING THE MEANDERING PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK IN THE CONDITION? SO PAGE 18 LETTER E TALKS ABOUT MOBILITY AND WITH PROJECT WOULD CONSTRUCT TEN FOOT WIDE PARKWAY STREET TREES AND MEANDERING SIDEWALK ALONG GRAND AVE FRONTAGE.
IN ADDITION WITH THE SIDEWALK WILL BE INCREASED.
SO THAT STRIKES ME AS THE SENTENCE THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO TAKE MEANDERING AWAY, BUT THEN WE WOULD NEED TO ADD A DIRECT CONNECTION FROM THE LOBBY TO THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE.
SOMETHING, BUT I DEFER TO THE EXPERTISE OF THE POLICY AND THE PLANNERS FOR THIS.
WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
THIS CONDITION ONLY SPEAKS TO THE TEN FOOT WIDE PARKWAY.
I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD HAVE TWO OPTIONS.
ONE, THEY COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SPECIFIC LANGUAGE MODIFICATIONS OR TO RECOMMEND THAT THE STAFF WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER IN THE ON THIS CONDITION. BETWEEN THE TIME WE GO FROM THIS BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? YEAH. COMMISSIONER STINE.THAT'S FINE. APPLICANT IS SHOWN COMMENDABLE FLEXIBILITY THERE, SO I WOULD BE FINE.
AN UNRELATED THING I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I DIDN'T MENTION.
I MEAN, THIS ALL SEEMS IN THE ABSTRACT, YES, WE NEED THE NUMBERS.
WE HAVE STATE STANDARDS WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH AND SANDAG STANDARDS THAT WE DO, BUT I HAD AN EXAMPLE TODAY I'D LIKE TO JUST SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION WHERE A RECEPTIONIST I TALKED TO WHO WAS GETTING READY, ALTHOUGH HE LIKED HIS JOB, GETTING READY TO LEAVE THIS AREA AND MOVE HOME TO THE SOUTH WHERE HE'S FROM, ONLY BECAUSE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO LIVE HERE. HE WAS IN A SHARED HOUSING SITUATION AND THAT HAS CHANGED NOW WITH THE ROOMMATES SO THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO INCUR MORE OF THE COST, AND ALTHOUGH HE LOVES LIVING HERE, HE'S BEEN HERE FOR YEARS.
HE IS RELUCTANTLY HAVING TO LEAVE HIS JOB AND GO TO THE SOUTH WHERE HE HAS FAMILY AND FRIENDS BUT HE LOVES THIS AREA.
THAT'S WE'RE BRINGING IT TO LIFE.
WHEN YOU SEE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
SO GETTING 20 VERY LOW INCOME UNITS IS A BIG DEAL, AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT PROVIDES FOR THAT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STINE.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR COMMENTS.
SO SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS OR SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS, CAN WE GET A MOTION, PLEASE? YES. QUICK QUESTION.
DID STAFF HAVE A COMMENT THAT YOU WISH TO MAKE? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
THANK YOU. YES, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE CONDITION THAT YOU REFERRED TO ON PAGE 18 IS ACTUALLY A FINDING. WE HAVE OUR CONDITIONS FOR THE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED ON PAGE 28 UNDER CONDITION 50, AND UNDER A IT SAYS INSTALL CURB GUTTER SIDEWALK AND STREET PAVEMENT FRONTING GRAND AVENUE.
SO IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY MEANDERING UNDER THAT CONDITION.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT DID WE CAME UP WITH A MEANDERING SIDEWALK IS THE UTILITY POLES WERE MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH A STRAIGHT, PERFECTLY STRAIGHT SIDEWALK.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO CRAFT A CONDITION THROUGH A MOTION TO CHANGE THIS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU POSSIBLY PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF PHASE IN THERE THAT GIVES THE CITY ENGINEER OR THE CITY PLANNER TO STRAIGHTEN IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE MAY BE DIFFICULTIES IN MAKING IT COMPLETELY STRAIGHT JUST BECAUSE OF THE OBSTACLES THAT ARE INVOLVED.
WHY ARE UTILITY POLES BEING PROPOSED IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO AREA WHEN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO AREA IS DESIGNATED TO HAVE ALL UNDERGROUND UTILITIES? THEY'RE NOT BEING PROPOSED.
SO WHY AREN'T THEY BEING REMOVED? THE CITY ORDINANCE ONLY REQUIRES UNDERGROUNDING OF THE UTILITIES IF THERE IS MORE THAN 600 LINEAR FEET OF OVERHEAD UTILITIES ON ANY STREET FRONTAGE FRONTING A SUBDIVISION, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S LESS THAN 600.
OKAY, THEN I WITHDRAW MY REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO GET THESE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THIS COMPLYING FOR THE HEALTH SAFETY OF THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY OTHER ITEMS IN THE CONDITIONS AND FINDINGS THAT ARE NOT
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COMPLIANT. SO I STILL WANT REGULAR STRAIGHT SIDEWALKS.I THINK THAT THOSE ACCESS POINTS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT IF WE CAN'T ELIMINATE THESE THINGS AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH SUPPORT, I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS IS NOT MAYBE THE RIGHT PROJECT. SO SOME OTHER CONDITIONAL PROBLEMS ARE ARE INEVITABLE, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IF WE'RE JUST MAKING A CIRCUITOUS SIDEWALK AROUND A BUNCH OF UTILITY POLES, THAT'S NOT REALLY HELPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S JUST MAKING IT A MORE UNSAFE CONDITION AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE WHOLE SEISMIC PROBLEMS. SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
LET'S SEE. I THINK COMMISSIONER MEENES, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? I WAS GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS.
YEAH. WE SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
READY TO MAKE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AND ADOPT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP, AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BASED ON FINDINGS AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED THEREIN, ALSO INCLUDING THE ERRATA THAT WAS PROVIDED BY STAFF IN REGARD TO THE SIDEWALK ON COMING FROM THE PROJECT TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? SECOND. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MEENES, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SABELLICO ON THE AGENDA ITEM.
5 TO 1. OKAY. WE'LL NOW CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING, AND THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONGRATULATIONS, AND THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER REPORTS? SEE. NO.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE CITY PLANNER? DO YOU HAVE ANY? JUST A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. THE JULY 5TH MEETING WILL BE CANCELED.
WE'LL GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE OUT SHORTLY FOR THAT ONE.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS FOR THE JULY 19TH MEETING.
ALSO, THE REPORT, THE [INAUDIBLE] VARIANCE WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT.
SO THAT WAS THAT PROJECT THAT WAS HEARD ON MAY 3RD.
CITY COUNCIL HEARD THAT AND APPROVED IT, AND THEN THE VILLAGE I'M SORRY, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 18TH.
YES, JOE, THAT'S YOUR LITTLE BABY THERE, HUH? YEAH. NOT MY BABY, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I WAS JUST ONE COG IN THE WHEEL.
LIKE A YEAR LONG PROJECT, RIGHT? OVER A YEAR. HOW MANY MEETINGS DID YOU GUYS HAVE? STARTED IN MARCH OF 2022, AND YEAH, AND OUR LAST MEETING HELPED ME ERIC WAS APRIL.
APRIL. SO THAT'S 13 MONTHS, I BELIEVE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TIMES, ONE OR MORE TIMES WE HAD TWO MEETINGS IN A MONTH, RIGHT? IT WAS 15 TOTAL.
SO YEAH, THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK AND VERY WE HAD SOME LIVELY DEBATES, LET'S SAY, AND THAT'S FINE.
IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY. MR. LARDY WITH REGARD TO THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, IS THAT GOING TO GO OFF OR ARE YOU STILL NOT SURE ABOUT THAT? AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NO AGENDA ITEMS, BUT WE THE DEADLINE FOR PLANNERS TO REQUEST AGENDA ITEMS IS STILL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AWAY.
SO WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT CHANGE.
THAT WAS A VERY, VERY BIG PROJECT.
COMMISSIONER MEENES. YES, I AGREE.
BOTH COMMISSIONERS DID A SPECTACULAR JOB.
ALSO, I WANTED TO, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, COMMEND CYNTHIA.
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I REALLY THINK THAT LOOKING AT THE MINUTES.SINCE YOU'VE BEEN ON BOARD, THEY'RE EXCELLENT, VERY THOROUGH AND WELL, I THINK YOU'VE CAPTURED MOST OF WHAT GOES ON HERE AT EACH AND EVERY MEETING, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORTS. WELCOME.
OKAY, GOOD, AND DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY? I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY FROM THE INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS THE SO-CALLED ACADEMIC OFFSHOOT OF THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES AND I BELIEVE IT'S FREE NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THEY'RE DOING A VIRTUAL PLANNING COMMISSIONER TRAINING ON FRIDAY.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SIT THROUGH 9 TO 4 VIRTUAL PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING, THEY DID A ROADSHOW ACROSS THE STATE AND WENT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT COUNTIES, BUT I BELIEVE THIS ONE'S VIRTUAL.
EMAIL ME AND I CAN SEND YOU THE LINK.
HOW OFTEN DO THEY I MEAN, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THEM DO IT VIRTUALLY LIKE THIS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT IT'S KIND OF SHORT NOTICE.
YEAH. I MEAN, I ONLY SAW IT WAS LIKE, LAST CHANCE.
CAN YOU SIGN UP? LET ME TAKE A LOOK REAL QUICK.
IF YOU IF THEY HAVE A SCHEDULE, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AND RON SENT IT TO ME.
I CAN HAVE CYNTHIA EMAIL IT TO EVERYBODY.
YEAH. REGISTRATION IS FREE, AND IT IS FRIDAY, JUNE 23RD, FROM 9:30 TO 4:00.
FOR NEW AND SEASONED COMMISSIONERS.
TRAINING TOPICS INCLUDE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, EFFECTIVE MEETINGS CEQA AND TRANSPORTATION, LEGAL AND FISCAL HOUSING LAWS AND COMMUNITY DESIGN AND MORE WITH AN EXCLAMATION POINT.
YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] WELL, IT'S VIRTUAL, SO YOU COULD SIT THERE IN YOUR SWEATS AND T-SHIRT.
YEAH. NOTHING LIKE SPENDING EIGHT HOURS IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER.
JUST REMINDS US THE OLD COVID LOCKDOWN DAYS.
OKAY, WELL, I THINK WITH THAT, WE WILL THE MEETING.
WE WILL NOW ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.