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I'M CALLING TONIGHT'S ORDER MEETING TO ORDER.
[CALL TO ORDER]
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.
I'M HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL.
HERE. MAYOR BLACKBURN PRESENT.
ALL FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
CLERK WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? READY BEGIN.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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NEXT IS PRESENTATIONS.I INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA TO PRESENT THE HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH PROCLAMATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND INVITE CHRISTINA LORENZO, LIBRARY ASSISTANT UP TO THE PODIUM SO I CAN READ THE PROCLAMATION AND AFTERWARDS YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A FEW WORDS AS WELL.
I'M SO EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION NOT ONLY AS A LATINA WITH MEXICAN AMERICAN FAMILY, BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO REALLY UNDERSTANDS THE RICHNESS OF OUR CULTURE AND WANTS TO SHARE THAT WITH OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEREAS THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CELEBRATES HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH TO RECOGNIZE THE ACHIEVEMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF HISPANIC CHAMPIONS WHO HAVE INSPIRED OTHERS TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS AND TO CELEBRATE THE HISTORIES, CULTURES AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF THOSE WHO ARE DIVERSE IN IDENTITY, CULTURE, GEOGRAPHY, LANGUAGE AND TRADITIONS.
AND WHEREAS, IMMIGRANTS FLEEING THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION IN THE EARLY 1900S ARRIVED IN CARLSBAD'S OLDEST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED BARRIO CARLSBAD OR BARRIO CARLOS CARLOS, SETTLING NEAR ROOSEVELT AND WALNUT AND FORMED THE BACKBONE OF AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEREAS, THE HISPANIC LATIN HERITAGE ROOTS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY CONSTITUTE THE SECOND LARGEST ETHNIC GROUP AND SPAN THROUGHOUT NORTH, CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA, INCLUDING INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES OF LATIN AMERICA AND AFRICA.
AND WHEREAS, WE BENEFIT FROM THE ONGOING ACHIEVEMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF HISPANIC LATIN PEOPLES IN THE ARTS, ECONOMY, EDUCATION, AGRICULTURE, LITERATURE, MEDICINE, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, AND UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES AND PUBLIC SERVICE.
AND WHEREAS, THIS YEAR'S THEME IS PROSPERITY, POWER AND PROGRESS.
NOW, THEREFORE, I COUNCIL MEMBER TERESA ACOSTA, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 15TH TO OCTOBER 15TH, 2023, AS HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THIS RECOGNITION HOLDS A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART, AS IT ACKNOWLEDGES NOT ONLY MY ROLE AS A HISPANIC LIBRARY STAFF MEMBER, BUT ALSO AS A PROUD LATINA WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CARLSBAD AND NOW HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR THE CITY AND SERVE HER COMMUNITY.
THROUGH ALL OF THE CARLSBAD CITY LIBRARIES HAVE TO OFFER, I'VE HAD I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ASSIST PATRONS FROM ALL OVER LATIN AMERICA AND BEYOND ENSURING THAT ALL OF THOSE WHO VISIT THE LIBRARY HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT OUR LIBRARIES AND CITY HAVE TO OFFER.
I HAVE SEEN THE WONDERS THAT THE LEARNING CENTER OFFERS TO THE CARLSBAD COMMUNITY FIRSTHAND FROM BEING A YOUNG STUDENT RECEIVING HOMEWORK HELP, ATTENDING STORYTIME'S AND BOOK CLUBS AND VOLUNTEERING IN THE SUMMER TO LATER BECOMING A STAFF MEMBER.
MY PARENTS, LIKE SO MANY OTHERS, EMBARKED ON A COURAGEOUS JOURNEY IN SEARCH OF A BETTER LIFE.
THEIR SACRIFICES AND DETERMINATION HAVE INSTILLED IN ME AN UNYIELDING COMMITMENT TO CELEBRATE AND PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE, AMPLIFYING THE VOICES OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND STAND AS A TESTAMENT TO THE BOUNDLESS POTENTIAL THAT LIES WITHIN THE IMMIGRANT EXPERIENCE.
ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION IS A REFLECTION OF THE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS OF A VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
IT IS A CELEBRATION OF THE COUNTLESS STORIES, TRADITIONS AND CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ENRICH OUR TAPESTRY.
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THANK YOU FOR THIS PROFOUND RECOGNITION AND LET US CONTINUE THIS JOURNEY TOGETHER HAND IN HAND AS WE CREATE A COMMUNITY WHERE EVERY HERITAGE IS CELEBRATED AND CHERISHED.THANK YOU [APPLAUSE]. CHRISTINA, IF YOU HANG OUT AFTER THIS NEXT PROCLAMATION, WE'LL DO A GROUP PHOTOGRAPH. NEXT, I INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA TO READ THE PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH.
AND THEN IF YOU COULD SAY A FEW WORDS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE YESTERDAY, OUR 9/11 WHERE 343 FIRE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES OF NEW YORK CITY, AS WELL AS ONE NEW YORK CITY FIRE PATROLMAN LIVES WERE CLAIMED.
WE LIKE TO SAY IN THE FIRE SERVICE, NEVER FORGET.
AND IT SURPRISES ME WHEN IT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF DECADES AGO.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.
AND SO WE NEVER WANT TO FORGET THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY LIVES THAT WERE LOST, AS WELL AS THE 2,977 OTHER LIVES THAT PERISHED IN THAT TERRORIST ATTACK, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO BE PREPARED.
SO THIS YEAR, CARLSBAD CITIZENS AND CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED THE EFFECTS OF VARIOUS DISASTERS, RANGING FROM MAJOR EARTHQUAKES TO DEVASTATING WILDLAND FIRES, RESULTING IN DAMAGES COSTING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND WHEREAS, SHOULD UNSAFE SPARK PRODUCING, OR FIRE PRACTICES BE WITNESSED DURING HOT HIGH WIND DAYS, WE ASK RESIDENTS TO REPORT SUCH PRACTICES TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS ARE TAKEN TO MITIGATE THE HAZARD.
AND WHEREAS, THE LOSS OF LIFE DAMAGE TO PROPERTY AND ECONOMIC LOSS CAN BE GREATLY REDUCED IF APPROPRIATE, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MEASURES ARE TAKEN BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER A MAJOR EMERGENCY.
NOW, THEREFORE, I. COUNCIL MEMBER CAROLYN LUNA, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER 2023 AS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH EACH SEPTEMBER BECAUSE OF THE NUMEROUS THREATS AND HAZARDS TO OUR REGION, SUCH AS WILDLAND FIRES, EARTHQUAKES, FLOODS, CYBER-ATTACKS.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CARLSBAD, WE ARE COMPREHENSIVELY PREPARED FOR THE HIGHEST-LEVEL THREATS AND THE HIGHEST-LEVEL HAZARDS THAT WE MAY FACE AS A CITY AND AS A REGION.
THIS YEAR, AS TO BE EXPECTED, WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED AND VALIDATED OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS CAPABILITIES IN TANGIBLE WAYS ACROSS THE YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE SPECTRUM FROM CITYWIDE CAPABILITIES SUCH AS THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER OR OUR EOC TO INDIVIDUAL CAPABILITIES SUCH AS CARLSBAD CERT.
ALLOW ME NOW TO ILLUSTRATE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES.
FIRST, OUR CITYWIDE PREPAREDNESS CAPABILITIES, INCLUDING OUR RIGOROUS TRAINING AND EXERCISE PROGRAM, EXHAUSTIVE EMERGENCY PLANNING EFFORTS AND PROVEN EOC CAPABILITIES, DEMONSTRATED THROUGH THE EOC ACTIVATION FOR SAFER STREETS AND THE EOC ACTIVATION FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE HILARY.
ALSO, WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED AND VALIDATED INDIVIDUAL PREPAREDNESS CAPABILITIES, INCLUDING THE DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS OF THE OF THE CARLSBAD CERT TEAM. NOTABLY, THIS YEAR, THE UPDATED FOCUS OF CERT IS HANDS ON TRAINING IN CRITICAL SKILLS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO TO SUPPORT FIRST RESPONDERS DURING AN EMERGENCY.
RECENTLY, WE HAVE AMPLIFIED THE PRACTICAL SKILLS OF INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS BY DELIVERING HANDS ON TRAINING IN SEARCH AND RESCUE TECHNIQUES, SIDEWALK CPR AND FIRST AID AND AEDS.
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I'D LIKE TO UNDERSCORE THAT THE CERT VOLUNTEERS, THEIR CITY VOLUNTEERS, AND THEY DEDICATE SO MUCH OF THEIR TIME TO OUR COMMUNITY'S PREPAREDNESS.AND AS AS THE PROGRAM MANAGER, I'VE BEEN SO FORTUNATE TO PARTNER WITH, COLLABORATE WITH AND CORRESPOND WITH THIS EXTRAORDINARY TEAM ON SUCH A CLOSE AND CONTINUED BASIS.
SO, IN CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND DEDICATION TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS HERE IN CARLSBAD.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ISSUING THIS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH PROCLAMATION.
CITY ATTORNEY, WILL YOU PLEASE REPORT OUT ON ANYTHING FROM OUR CLOSED SESSION? THANK YOU, MAYOR. THERE WAS NO REPORTABLE ACTION FOR TODAY'S CLOSED SESSION.
THERE WAS ALSO NO REPORTABLE ACTION FOR THE CLOSED SESSION ON AUGUST 29TH.
THANK YOU. NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'VE BEEN ASKED TO READ THE FOLLOWING.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.
NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON THESE ITEMS. WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WHEN THE CLERK CALLS YOUR NAME, YOU'LL BE ASKED TO STEP UP TO THE PODIUM.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AT THE 2.5 MINUTE MARK.
THE CLOCK WILL TURN YELLOW, TELLING YOU HAVE 30S LEFT.
TO BE FAIR AND NOT TO GIVE ANYBODY MORE TIME THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
ASK THE CLERK TO TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE AT THE END OF THE THREE MINUTES.
CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER.
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. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR WONDERFUL SUPPORT STAFF.
I AM DISMAYED AND CURIOUS AS TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE MONEY BECAUSE THE LIBRARY STAFF SEEMS SO FLUSTERED BY YOUR REQUEST TO SAVE MONEY AND CUT SPENDING THAT THEY HAVE REDUCED HOURS AND ELIMINATED SUNDAYS.
AND THERE ARE HAPPY FAMILIES, PEOPLE ENJOYING THE LIBRARY, BUT NOT HERE IN CARLSBAD.
AND THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP 10 TO 6 ON MONDAY AND THURSDAY FOR COUNTY LIBRARIANS FOR EIGHT HOURS, 12 TO 7 FOR SEVEN HOURS ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.
IN TOTAL, THAT'S LESS HOURS, LESS MONEY THAN CARLSBAD IS SPENDING.
BUT CARLSBAD IS GOING DOWNHILL UNDER YOUR WATCH.
IF YOU CAN'T ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER, SCOTT CHADWICK, TO CHECK IN WITH PARK WITH THE LIBRARY PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT HOURS ARE BEST, NOT JUST TO DECIDE, OH, WELL, WE'LL CLOSE ON SUNDAY.
WHAT THE. HEY, DOESN'T MATTER TO US.
WE CAN BUY FROM BARNES AND NOBLE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR GENERAL FUND IS FUNDED AT 40% OF REVENUES.
THAT'S HIGHER THAN MOST CITIES.
SO IF YOU TOOK 1 OR 2% OF THE GENERAL FUND MONEY TO PAY FOR SERVICES FOR SENIORS AND FOR LIBRARY PATRONS, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD USE OF THE MONEY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, THEY NEED A PLACE TO GO.
THE LEARNING CENTER IS WONDERFUL.
THEY WERE JUST HERE. THEY HAD AN OPEN HOUSE.
WHAT GOOD IS IT? AREN'T YOU HERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE AND TO HELP THEM DO MORE? PLEASE CONSIDER CHANGING THE LIBRARY HOURS AND YOU STILL SAVE MONEY.
THERE ARE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
AS ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CHOOSE TO PULL A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ANY OF THE THREE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? NO, WE DO NOT.ITEM FOUR ORDINANCE FOR INTRODUCTION CITY MANAGER.
[4. AMENDMENTS TO THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS]
ITEM FOUR AMENDMENTS TO THE CARLSBAD MUNI CODE RELATED TO CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS MAKING.THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS FABIOLA MEDINA, CITY CLERK SERVICES MANAGER.
AND ALSO WITH ME IS SHEILA COBIAN, LEGISLATIVE AND CONSTITUENTS DIRECTOR SERVICES DIRECTOR.
STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS AS A WAY OF BACKGROUND AT A SPECIAL MEETING HELD ON JUNE 1ST, 2023.
STAFF ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON ANY CHANGES A DESIRE TO FOR CHAPTER 1.20.
THIS CHAPTER ESTABLISHES THE PROCEDURES APPLICABLE TO PUBLIC MEETINGS IN ADDITION TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CLEANUP TO BRING THE CHAPTER IN LINE WITH CURRENT PRACTICES, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO RETURN WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD MOVE ACTION TO APPROVE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS TO EARLIER ON THE AGENDA AND TO BRING FORWARD AN
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OPTION FOR LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEND.DELIVERING CONCLUDING REMARKS RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS PRIOR TO A VOTE BEING INITIATED.
IN ADDITION, STAFF HAS ELIMINATED THE INVOCATION SECTION PER COUNCIL DIRECTION EARLIER THIS YEAR.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE ADDED LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT GROUP TIME AND POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT PERMITTED DURING NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETINGS. STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING AMENDING SECTION 1.20.010 AND 1.20.220 TO ALIGN WITH THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS ADDRESSING THE REMOVAL OF INDIVIDUALS WHO DISRUPT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
LASTLY, WE ARE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 1.200.270 TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH A RECENT REVISION TO THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISPENSE WITH THE TITLING OF AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDED STAFF, INCLUDES THE TITLE ON THE AGENDA AND MAKES THE FULL ORDINANCE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND IN PRINT PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE OF INTRODUCTION OR PASSAGE.
STAFF CURRENTLY DOES ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND THIS AMENDMENT TO THE CODE WOULD RESULT IN MEETINGS RUNNING MORE EFFICIENTLY WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TITLE EACH ORDINANCE. AS REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE JUNE 1ST SPECIAL MEETING, STAFF DEVELOPED LANGUAGE THAT PROVIDES COUNCIL WITH AN OPTION TO LIMIT THE TIME OF FINAL COUNCIL COMMENTS ON AN AGENDA ITEM PRIOR TO A VOTE BEING INITIATED.
THAT LANGUAGE WOULD ADD A FINAL SENTENCE TO SECTION 1.20.100.
SECTION B ROLE OF THE PRESIDING OFFICER.
AND AS YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE, IT'S IN THE UNDERLYING RED LANGUAGE.
ONCE THE PRESIDING OFFICER, ONCE THE PRESIDING OFFICER CALLS FOR FINAL COMMENTS ON THE ITEM, EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SHALL HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO DELIVER THEIR CONCLUDING REMARKS RELATED TO THE ITEM PRIOR TO INITIATION OF A CITY COUNCIL VOTE ON THE ITEM.
STAFF REQUESTS THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER AND DISCUSS WHETHER YOU WISH TO LIMIT THE TIME OF FINAL COMMENTS AND IF SO, LIMIT IT TO HOW MANY MINUTES. STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER OPTIONS AND EITHER INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS AS PROPOSED OR INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE LIMITING THE TIME A FINAL CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE DO NOT. OKAY.
QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, MISS LUNA.
ACTUALLY, TAKING A LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT WE HAVE HERE.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT TO TWO MINUTES TO PRACTICE HERE.
TO MAKE A MOTION DOWN THE ROAD HERE REGARDING SECTION 1.20.020.
UNDER THE REGULAR SPECIAL AND EMERGENCY CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT RESOLUTION WILL BE COMING BEFORE US FOR CONSIDERATION NEXT MONTH.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
AN OPTION TO BEGIN OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT 4 P.M.
WITH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME COMING UPON US.
BUT I THINK 4:00 WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT THAT WE WILL BE HAVING THE PROCLAMATIONS HERE READ IN OUR MEETING AND THAT THAT WAY PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING HOPEFULLY WILL BE ABLE TO LEAVE THE MEETING IN THE DAYLIGHT TIME.
SO SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT, MR. MAYOR. MS. BURKHOLDER. THANK YOU, MISS ACOSTA.
AND THANKS TO STAFF FOR PREPARING THIS FOR US.
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I DO WANT TO ASK.I WANTED TO ASK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CUTTING, THE TIME FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SPEAK.
AND I WAS WONDERING HOW LONG DO COUNCIL MEMBERS USUALLY SPEND.
LIKE, DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW LONG WE USUALLY SPEND ON OUR CLOSING COMMENTS? AVERAGE TIME. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID NOT EVALUATE WHEN PROVIDING THIS REPORT.
OKAY. AND I MEAN, I'M ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HOW LONG WE SPENT, MAYBE HOW LONG ARE OUR USUAL COUNCIL MEETINGS? DO THEY RUN OVER LONG? WE START AT FIVE NOW.
WHAT TIME DO WE TYPICALLY END? DO WE KNOW THAT? I BELIEVE I'M GOING TO LOOK TO SHEILA.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING AROUND TWO HOURS AND 48 MINUTES.
I THINK THAT'S THE AVERAGE TIME FOR THE LAST YEAR.
WE TYPICALLY GET OUT IF WE START AT FIVE.
SO BEFORE EIGHT. SO LESS THAN THREE HOURS AGAIN, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S VERY LONG.
AND SO TRYING TO THINK OF WHY WE'RE CREATING THIS NEW RESTRICTION ON COUNCIL MEMBERS COMMENTS, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S THE IMPETUS FOR THIS? IS IT COUNCIL THIS COUNCIL DRIVEN? IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
SO I DID SOME RESEARCH ON MY OWN OUTSIDE OF THE AGENDA ON OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE IF WE HAD SOME INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER CITIES.
I HAD SEEN SOME CITIES THAT HAD SOME ISSUES LIKE OCEANSIDE, WHERE THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT A COUNCIL MEMBER SPENDING A VERY LONG TIME SPEAKING. AND I KNOW THAT THE OCEANSIDE CITY COUNCIL IMPLEMENTED A SPEAKING TIME LIMIT.
DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THAT IS? IT IS TEN MINUTES.
TEN MINUTES, NOT TWO MINUTES, RIGHT? NO. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA? THE OTHER 17 CITIES, MOST OF THEM REPLIED THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY LIMITS.
THE ONLY OTHER CITY BESIDES THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE WAS THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.
AND THEY HAVE A FIVE MINUTE LIMITATION.
OKAY. FIVE MINUTE LIMITATION FOR SAN DIEGO.
AND HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE THERE IN SAN DIEGO? NINE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN SAN DIEGO.
WE'RE FIVE HERE. SO LONGER CONVERSATIONS, LONGER MEETINGS.
OKAY, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT'S NOT BROKEN.
FROM THE RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED, THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO.
OKAY. SO NO OTHER CITY IN OUR REGION IS DOING ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. I HAVE COMMENTS.
THANKS. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
BUT WE'LL START WITH COMMENTS WITH MISS LUNA.
SO THE REASON WHY THAT I WAS GOING WITH THE 4:00 IS I KNOW OUR CITY HAS BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO STOP, YOU KNOW, THE ACCIDENTS AND OUR E-BIKE IN THAT.
AND I KNOW WHEN DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME IS OVER WITH, THE DARKNESS COMES SO QUICKLY.
AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE SHIFTING OUR MEETING TO 4:00, WE COULD TRY IT FOR NEXT YEAR.
ALSO, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT GO TO WORK AT 5:00 AND 6:00 AND I NEVER SEE THEM HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE OUR MEETINGS STARTED FIVE.
AND SO THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT.
I KNOW WHEN WE WERE IN COVID AND WE HAD THE 3:00 MEETINGS, I KNOW WE DID HAVE ZOOM, THOUGH WE DID HAVE THE SAME PARTICIPATION AND WE DID HAVE FOLKS STILL WRITING LETTERS. AND I THINK ACTUALLY THE LETTER WRITING DURING COVID WAS VERY SUCCINCT AND I THINK OUR COMMENTS WERE EXCELLENT.
AND THEN WHEN WE WENT AND WE DON'T HAVE THEM CORRESPONDING AS MUCH, I REALLY MISS THOSE VERY SUCCINCT AND ACCURATE AND THOUGHTFUL CORRESPONDENCE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE JUSTIFICATION AS TO WHY I THOUGHT POSSIBLY 4:00 MIGHT BE BETTER.
MAYOR, MAY I INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE? I JUST WANTED TO SAY, IF THAT MOTION IS MADE AND PASSED, ALL IT WOULD DO.
WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT TONIGHT.
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IT WOULD ONLY BE TO BRING BACK FOR DISCUSSION.OKAY. SO, WE COULD BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION.
THAT'D BE GREAT. THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.
HOW ABOUT IF WE HAVE EVERYBODY MAKE THEIR COMMENTS? WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU. YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION.
MISS BURKHOLDER, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
THEY'RE LESS THAN THREE HOURS.
WE ARE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER.
WE'VE GOT A CODE OF CONDUCT, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF ACCESS, THE COMMUNITY ATTENDING OUR MEETINGS, UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND TRANSPARENCY, REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'RE VOTING THE WAY THAT WE ARE.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES FOR THE PUBLIC, AND I JUST WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE WHAT WE'RE DOING UP HERE IN TERMS OF GOVERNMENT BUSINESS, BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT.
I THINK ABOUT OUR ROLE AS REPRESENTATIVES, ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE.
AND I WANTED TO TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO REMIND FOLKS THAT WE ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, TO BE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE, AND WE CANNOT DISCUSS THESE MATTERS AMONGST OURSELVES PRIVATELY.
WE DISCUSS THEM IN PUBLIC RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT THAT WAY.
AND OUR DISCUSSION HERE IS THE HEART OF OUR DEMOCRATIC PUBLIC DELIBERATION PROCESS.
SO I THINK PUTTING A TIMER ON COUNCIL MEMBERS COMMENTS CUTS THE DISCUSSION OFF.
I DID SEE THE CITY CODE, THE FIRST PART OF THE CITY CODE.
MAYBE WE COULD GET THAT SLIDE BACK UP THERE, THE PART THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE ADDED TO.
THE FIRST PART OF THE CODE CONTRADICTS THE SECOND PART.
SO RIGHT NOW IT SAYS THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL.
COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE A FULL AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR RESPECTIVE VIEWS.
TWO MINUTES IS NOT A LOT OF TIME TO DO THAT.
MATTERS SHOULD BE FULLY DELIBERATED BEFORE ACTION IS TAKEN.
I DON'T THINK A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT IS CONDUCIVE TO THAT.
SO I THINK THAT CONTRADICTS THE SECOND PART OF THAT.
AND THEN I WANT TO REMIND US OF THE CODE OF CIVIL DISCOURSE.
CAN WE GET THAT SLIDE? THE ONE THAT WAS UP EARLIER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS FROM THE NATIONAL CONFLICT RESOLUTION CENTER.
AND WE DISPLAY THIS EVERY SINGLE MEETING AT THE BEGINNING.
WE PLEDGE TO ENGAGE IN RESPECTFUL, CONSTRUCTIVE DISCOURSE.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, TWO MINUTES IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART, WE WILL EXPLAIN OUR POSITIONS BY FAIRLY PRESENTING THE REASONS FOR THEM.
SO I DON'T SUPPORT A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
THANK YOU. MS. BHAT-PATEL. YES, THANK YOU.
AND THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS.
I KNOW THAT THE CLEANUP LANGUAGE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
AND JUST REALLY QUICK, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST.
AM I ABLE TO COMMENT ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA HAD MENTIONED OR WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, THE MOTION SECOND PASS.
THE TIME LIMIT PIECE I CAN SAY.
SURE I COULD TRY TO ABIDE BY IT, RIGHT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE HEARD FROM PUBLIC MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY FEEL THAT IF WE WERE TO BE CUT OFF DURING OUR CONVERSATION, THAT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
I DO THINK MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE PRETTY SUCCINCT.
BUT I DO THINK WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO GET OUR POINTS ACROSS.
AND I DO KNOW THAT MANY OF OUR ISSUES TEND TO BE PRETTY CONVOLUTED SOMETIMES.
AS COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA MENTIONED, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE BROWN ACT.
SO, I DO HAVE SOME PAUSE SUPPORTING A TWO-MINUTE TIME FRAME.
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I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE JUST CONDUCTING OUR BUSINESS, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT ALL OF US ARE MINDFUL OF MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE SHARING DURING OUR MEETING IS GOING TO BE CONDUCIVE TO US MAKING THAT DECISION.WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TIME LIMIT, IT'S FUNNY.
WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT GROUPS OF CONSTITUENTS WHO COME AND TALK TO US.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO CONTACT ME SAY, YOU GUYS RAMBLE, GET TO THE POINT.
AND THAT WAS MY MOTIVATION FOR SAYING LET'S GET A TIME LIMIT ON OUR FINAL COMMENT.
WE CAN DELIBERATE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FINAL COMMENT.
WOULD THE COUNCIL BE OPEN TO A THREE MINUTE LIMIT? AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS WHAT WE GIVE THE PUBLIC.
AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'LL TAKE LONGER OR SHORTER THAN THE PUBLIC.
AND MS. BURKHOLDER, YOU HAVE A QUICK QUESTION? ACTUALLY, YEAH, I WANT TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I READ THIS A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND BASED ON Y'ALL'S COMMENTS, I READ IT THAT, YES, WE CAN DELIBERATE FOR AS LONG AS WE NEED TO, MEANING ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF, CLARIFY INFORMATION, BUT THAT THE FINAL COMMENT WHICH WE MAKE BEFORE WE VOTE SHOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
DID I MISINTERPRET THIS? THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE PROVIDED.
SO THERE IS NO LIMIT ON THE DELIBERATION PERIOD.
CORRECT. WHICH WOULD BE YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REASON YOU'RE VOTING THE WAY YOU'RE VOTING? OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I HAD THAT RIGHT.
WOULD WE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF INPUT ON THAT FEEDBACK? MS. BHAT-PATEL JUST A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
AND WITH REGARDS TO I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE FINAL COMMENTS.
GENERALLY WHEN WE START OFF, WE'RE DOING QUESTIONS ONLY.
AND SO UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT WHERE WE'RE THEN ALLOWED TO HAVE DIALOG WHILE WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND THEN HAVE FINAL COMMENT, THEN TO ME IT DEFEATS THAT WHOLE PURPOSE OF SAYING, OH, IT'S ONLY THE FINAL COMMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT POINT UP.
BUT IF IT MEANS THAT ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE ON AND THEN MAKE OUR FINAL COMMENT AT THE END WITH JUST THE TWO MINUTES, THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. SO THAT WAS IT.
THANK YOU. MS. ACOSTA THANK YOU.
AND THOSE ARE THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.
THAT'S IT. THAT WOULD BE TWO MINUTES.
LIKE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, LIKE HOW THIS COUNCIL DELIBERATES.
LIKE THAT'S ONLY TWO MINUTES OF SPEAKING OF LIKE SAYING, THIS IS WHY I THINK I'M DOING THIS.
AND HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL AND TALKING TO THE COUNCIL AS A KIND OF A CONVERSATION TO GET TO A PLACE THAT'S ONLY TWO MINUTES? THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS.
LIKE WE ONLY ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN WE HAVE A CLOSING COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT, MISS BURKHOLDER, ANYTHING TO ADD? MISS LUNA? MS. BHAT-PATEL. SO, I GUESS I'LL ASK AN EXAMPLE QUESTION AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE'LL GET AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED FINAL COMMENTS, OR WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED SOMETHING ELSE? BECAUSE THAT'LL GIVE US I MEAN, WE'VE ALL EXCEEDED OUR TWO MINUTES ALREADY, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THIS LANGUAGE IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF PROPOSED AS A RESPONSE OF THE DIRECTION GIVEN, BUT THE LANGUAGE THAT FINALLY GETS CODIFIED INTO THIS SECTION CAN BE MODIFIED TO REFLECT WHATEVER COUNCIL DESIRES IT TO.
SO IF THAT WANTS, THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED FURTHER.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ADD INTO THE MOTION.
OKAY. SO TO CLARIFY JUST THE RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS TECHNICALLY FINAL COMMENTS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO.
I'M JUST LOOKING OVER THAT WAY.
AND WE'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED OUR TWO MINUTES.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M JUST PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD.
SO HAPPY TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S VIEWPOINTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
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JUST TO REITERATE AND JUST TO SAY AGAIN, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT THAT AWAY.AND SO I LOOKED AT, WELL, IF WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEN WE HAVE TO FORM OUR THOUGHTS CONVEY THOSE THOUGHTS OF WHY WE'RE VOTING THE WAY WE ARE, AND THEN THEN VOTE AND GET TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
I THINK THAT IF WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH, THAT WASN'T THE INTENT.
MY INTENT IS THE THAT THAT LAST MINUTE RAMBLING.
SO WOULD WOULD THE COUNCIL BE OPEN? AND MS. ACOSTA, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT WHY FIX A PROBLEM WE DON'T HAVE? WOULD EVERYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE IF WE SAID THREE MINUTES? BECAUSE THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE GIVE TO THE PUBLIC TO FORM THEIR THOUGHTS AND TO CONVEY THOSE TO US? WOULD THAT BE A CONSIDERATION? I'M SORT OF HUNG UP ON DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION.
MY COLLEAGUES SORT OF SEEM THAT WAY.
SO, IF THEY DELIBERATE OR DISCUSS, THEY ASK THE QUESTION.
THEN WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION UP HERE AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION FOR CLOSING COMMENT, AND YOU LIMIT THAT TO TWO MINUTES, MAYBE YOU BIFURCATE IT.
YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF HOW I SEE IT THAT WE, WHEN WE HAVE STAFF IN FRONT OF US, THEY GIVE US A REPORT, WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS, WE GET CLARIFYING STATEMENTS, AND THEN WE MAY HAVE A QUESTION RELATIVE TO WHAT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER SAID THAT WE GET CLARIFICATION ON, AND WE GO DOWN THE AISLE AND THEN WE HAVE CLOSING COMMENTS.
AND I THINK THAT LIMITING CLOSING COMMENTS AFTER THE DELIBERATION PART, AFTER THE QUESTION AND ANSWER AMONG COLLEAGUES WITH STAFF AND THE PUBLIC, THEN WE ARE READY FOR A SUCCINCT CLOSING STATEMENT OF WHY WE SUPPORT OR OPPOSE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
SO, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THREE MINUTES.
I WOULD BE FINE WITH TWO MINUTES EITHER.
MR. ACOSTA THOUGHTS? THANK YOU. I HAVE BEEN HERE AND IN OTHER PLACES ON OTHER BOARDS AND IN BUSINESS MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE DO GO ON, THEY RAMBLE, THEY TALK A LOT, BUT DEPENDING ON THEIR ROLE THERE, THAT'S OKAY.
AND I DO FEEL THAT IT IS OUR ROLE AND OUR JOB TO BE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE, TO ACCEPT PUBLIC INPUT.
I'M AN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE OF MY AREA WITH 25,000 RESIDENTS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY IS.
I THINK IT'S SPEAKING OUT LOUD IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND EXPLAINING WHY WE'RE VOTING A CERTAIN WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS COMPLICATED BECAUSE THE PUBLIC GETS CONFUSED SOMETIMES. SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE A LOT OF JARGON AND THEY'RE DIFFICULT AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF LEGAL LEGALESE IN THEM, YOU KNOW, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SORT THAT OUT AND BRING IT DOWN TO REGULAR PUBLIC ENGLISH.
SO, IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
AND IT'S OUR JOB TO DO THAT HERE PUBLICLY.
AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE DON'T GO VERY LONG IN THESE MEETINGS.
AND I THINK WE ALL TRY TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER.
THE QUESTION AND ANSWER THE BANTER BACK AND FORTH.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR FINAL COMMENT.
LIKE RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE ONLY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THEN DELIBERATION, WHICH IS CLOSING STATEMENT.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. SO WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE OUR PROCESS.
WOULD THAT MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, I'D BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AND AND AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO COPY MAYBE WHAT ONE OF THE OTHER PLACES IS DOING.
LEMON GROVE'S AT FIVE MINUTES.
NOBODY'S AT 3 MINUTES OR 2 MINUTES.
WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, MY MOM COMING TO SPEAK, WHICH IS AWESOME.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SOMETIMES IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WE ARE NOT IN THE IN THE SAME ROLE. WE'RE JUST IN A DIFFERENT ROLE UP HERE CONDUCTING THIS MEETING AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE.
THANKS. ANYTHING ELSE, MISS BHAT-PATEL? YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AS LONG AS IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DELIBERATE PRIOR AS WELL, AND I KNOW IT IS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO CODIFY IT IN LANGUAGE FOR FUTURE COUNCILS, NOT JUST FOR US, BECAUSE SURE, WE MIGHT GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THIS.
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TRYING TO TYPE IT OUT AS WE SPEAK.SO WE WERE THINKING THAT MAYBE WE'D CHANGE THAT SECOND SENTENCE TO READ.
COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD HAVE A FULL AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS AND FULLY DELIBERATE ON EACH ITEM BEFORE ACTION IS TAKEN AND THEN MAINTAIN THE LAST SENTENCE WITH THE MINUTES THAT YOU Y'ALL VOTE ON.
I LIKE THE VERY END WHERE IT SAYS ONCE WE'VE CALLED FOR FINAL COMMENTS, THAT'S THE TIME.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE, MS. ACOSTA? THAT ONE STILL SAYS TWO MINUTES.
ARE WE STILL ON TWO MINUTES? I'M GOING TO MAKE THE PROPOSAL THAT IT BE THREE.
WE ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO FOR THREE.
AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD THEN ALSO HOLD OURSELVES TO THAT SAME STANDARD.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO. OKAY.
A BIG A BIG TIMER RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
SO MY MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE CHANGE THE WORDING AS YOU HAVE HERE AND CHANGED FROM 2 MINUTES TO 3 MINUTES LOOKING FOR A SECOND. SECOND.
OKAY. ANYTHING ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR.
AND, MISS LUNA, YOU HAVE A MOTION.
FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2024 AND I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
MRS. BHAT-PATEL? YES, THANK YOU. JUST A BRIEF COMMENT ON THIS.
I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED PRIOR, AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THE REASON AS TO WHY I WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT AT THE 5 P.M. I THINK SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE SHARING COUNCIL MEMBER, THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING INTO WORK.
I KNOW THERE ARE QUITE A FEW FOLKS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF WORK.
GENERALLY, WE'RE STARTING WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE DISCUSSION.
THIS IS JUST TO BRING IT BACK.
OKAY. JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
SO, THIS WILL NOT BE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE.
OKAY. WE HAVE MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.
BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS BACK DURING COVID TIME.
WE WERE AT THREE AND WE SWITCHED IT TO FIVE.
AND FOR THE SAME REASONS, I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.
I HOPE THAT'S OKAY. I'M TRYING TO NOT TALK.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE CITY MANAGER, PLEASE.
I'M SORRY, MAYOR. WE STILL DO NEED TO INTRODUCE.
FIRST OFF, I HAVE TO TITLE AND THEN WE NEED TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
IT'S AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AS RECITED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
[5. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NOS. CS-451, CS-452, CS-453, CS-454 AND CS-455 AMENDING THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS]
WELL, THIS GOES DIRECTLY TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.SO ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ITEM FIVE? SORRY. NO, WE DO NOT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. CITY ATTORNEY OKAY.
DID YOU WANT ME TO TITLE ALL FIVE AT ONCE, PLEASE? OKAY. THE FIRST ONE IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, CHAPTER 2.15 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CHAPTER 2.28 TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION.
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THE THIRD ONE IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 2.36 PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS AND CHAPTER 2.15 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.THE FOURTH ONE IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, CHAPTER 2.38 SENIOR COMMISSION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS AND CHAPTER 2.15 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND THE FIFTH AND LAST ONE IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, CHAPTER 2.40 HOUSING COMMISSION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 1.20 MEETINGS AND CHAPTER 2.15 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
MOVE ADOPTION OF ALL FIVE ORDINANCES AS RECITED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
[6. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. CS-456 – AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE SECTION 10.44.030 RELATING TO SPEED LIMITS ON CARLSBAD BOULEVARD]
ITEM NUMBER SIX CITY ATTORNEY.OH, BEFORE I START ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. CITY ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING SECTION 10.440.030 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO SPEED LIMITS ON CARLSBAD BOULEVARD.
MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AS RECITED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
[7. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. CS-457 – CITYWIDE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, TITLE 21 ZONING TO ADD CHAPTER 21.88 AND AMEND CHAPTER 21.45 TO ESTABLISH CITYWIDE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS PURSUANT TO HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM 1.11.
MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AS RECITED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
[8. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NO. CS-458 – VILLAGE & BARRIO OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS]
? SO, MAYOR, THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING WITH THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.IT WAS ACTUALLY FOR NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DID TRY TO RETRIEVE HIM AND CORRECT IT, BUT HE DID NOT WANT TO MAKE IT.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN TO IMPLEMENT HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM 1.11 TO DEVELOP VILLAGE AND BARRIO OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AS RECITED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM NUMBER NINE CITY MANAGER.
[9. HOPE APARTMENTS: A PROPOSED FOUR-STORY, 156-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AT 950 AND 1006 CARLSBAD VILLAGE DR., 2944 HOPE AVE., 945-A, 945-B AND 955 GRAND AVE. (CT 2022-0001/SDP 2022-0006)]
THANK YOU SO MUCH. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS HOPE APARTMENTS, A PROPOSED FOUR STORY 156 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AT 950 AND 1006 CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.2944 HOPE AVENUE 940 5A9 40 5-B AND 955 GRAND AVENUE AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS GOING TO BE OUR SENIOR PLANNER, SHANNON HARKER, ALONG WITH OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, MIKE STRONG.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BLACKBURN.
THE PROJECT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS THE CONSOLIDATION OF FIVE PARCELS TOTALING 2.95 ACRES INTO ONE LOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A FOUR STORY 156-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING.
THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE AND THE CARL'S JR.
FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WITH EXCEPTION TO CARL'S JR.
ALL STRUCTURES ARE PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED.
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PROJECT. SO HERE'S THE PROJECT SITE PLAN.IN EXCHANGE FOR THE 50% INCREASE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO DESIGNATE AT LEAST 15% OF THE BASE DWELLING UNITS, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS 16 UNITS AS AFFORDABLE TO LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
IN IT, LOW INCOME UNITS ARE PROPOSED.
12.5% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED ARE REQUIRED TO BE DESIGNATED AS INCLUSIONARY UNITS.
THE PROJECT THE PROJECT HAS A PROPOSED DENSITY OF 53 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE BLUE ARROW ON THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING STRUCTURE FOR THE PROJECT.
NO MORE THAN 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT OR 78 SPACES CAN BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE PROJECT APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A TOTAL OF 277 SPACES, OR APPROXIMATELY 1.78 SPACES PER UNIT.
IN ADDITION, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS PROVIDED AND PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CURRENT BUILDING CODE, 110 OF THE 277 PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE DESIGNATED FOR ELECTRICAL VEHICLE PARKING.
SPECIFICALLY, 14 ELECTRICAL VEHICLE STALLS WILL BE FULLY OPERATIONAL AT PROJECT COMPLETION, AND THE REMAINING 96 SPACES WILL EITHER BE EV READY WITH WIRING OR EV CAPABLE.
THIS IS WHERE THE LEASING OFFICE IS LOCATED AND SERVES AS THE MAIN PUBLIC ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING.
BUILDING MATERIALS INCLUDE PORCELAIN, TILE, HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING AND STANDING SEAM METAL ACCENTS.
SO PURSUANT TO STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF WAIVERS TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CAN BE REQUESTED AS LONG AS THE WAIVER DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY, DOES NOT IMPACT A BUILDING LOCATED ON A HISTORIC REGISTER OR VIOLATE STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING WAIVERS TO THREE STANDARDS IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN.
THE SECOND AND THIRD WAIVERS RELATE TO BUILDING MASSING SPECIFICALLY REGARDING LIMITATIONS ON THE AREA OF THE FOURTH FLOOR AND THE ARTICULATION OF THE BUILDING WALL PLANES. AS THE WAIVERS DO NOT IMPACT HEALTH AND SAFETY OR A HISTORIC PROPERTY AND DO NOT VIOLATE STATE LAW, STAFF IS SUPPORTED, IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUESTED WAIVERS.
THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LOFTS PROJECT TO THE EAST, WAS SELECTED BY THE APPLICANT AND IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN. THE CONTEMPORARY STYLE IS ALSO INCLUDED AS AN OPTION FOR ARCHITECTURAL STYLES IN THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE VILLAGE AREA, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. CONCERNS WERE ALSO RAISED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OVER THE CONDITION OF THE CARL'S JUNIOR PARKING LOT, WHICH IS OFTEN LITTERED WITH TRASH. THE DEVELOPER EXPLAINED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE CONDITION IS LIKELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOTEL USE, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
THEREFORE, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE SHOULD IMPROVE WITH THE SITUATION.
FRONTAGE TO WIDEN THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.
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THE MOBILITY SECTION OF THE MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDS A SIDEWALK WIDTH WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF TEN FEET FREE AND CLEAR OF OBSTRUCTIONS, WHICH IN THIS CASE RESULTS IN THE REMOVAL OF THE LANDSCAPE. PLANTER IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING LOT.ULTIMATELY, IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WAS DETERMINED TO BE MORE CRITICAL.
THIS HAS REQUIRED SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE PARKING AND LANDSCAPE DESIGN.
THE SITE PLAN SHOWED ON THIS SLIDE IS AN UPDATED DESIGN SHOWING THE ADDITION OF THE PATH STAFF WILL BE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT THROUGH THE GRADING AND BUILDING PLAN CHECK PROCESS TO INCORPORATE THIS FEATURE INTO THE FINAL DESIGN.
IN SUMMARY, STAFF HAS FOUND THE PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE, INCLUDING INCLUSIONARY HOUSING DENSITY BONUS ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO MASTER PLAN.
FINALLY, THIS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE STATE'S HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, ALSO KNOWN AS SB 330, WHICH STATES THAT WHEN A PROJECT PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT WERE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME THE APPLICATION WAS DEEMED COMPLETE, CITIES SHALL NOT DISAPPROVE THE PROJECT OR IMPOSE A CONDITION REQUIRING LOWER DENSITY UNLESS THE CITY FINDS BASED ON A PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT ON PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. OR THERE IS NO FEASIBLE METHOD TO MITIGATE OR AVOID SUCH ADVERSE IMPACT.
TO DATE, NO EVIDENCE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO SUBSTANTIATE.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC ADVERSE IMPACT ON PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
MR. MAYOR, I HAVE AN EX-PARTE DISCLOSURE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'VE ASKED FOR THEM YET.
I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. I HAVE AN EX-PARTE DISCLOSURE.
I HAVE IMBIBED AT THE CARL'S JR.
ON A VERY NICE CHOCOLATE SHAKE AND HAVE WALKED THE AREA AROUND AND THROUGH AND ALL OVER.
SO, ANY OTHER DISCLOSURES? OKAY. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO TAKE THE PRESENTATION FROM THE DEVELOPER BEFORE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE HEARING ORDER.
SORRY. WELL, I GUESS I GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
OKAY. LET'S HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER, THEN WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT'S IT WOULD BE QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL NEXT THEN PRESENTATION OF APPLICANT.
BUT YOU CAN REVERSE THAT ORDER IF YOU'D LIKE OR SWITCH THAT ORDER IF YOU'D LIKE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS, DO WE? SO PROBLEM SOLVED.
TECHNICALLY, I HAVE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AUSTIN WERMERS.
I'M THE OWNER, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HOPE APARTMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU TONIGHT FOR YOUR RESPECTFUL CONSIDERATION FOR THE PROJECT APPROVAL.
WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED COMPANY.
WE'VE BEEN A PART OF SAN DIEGO NOW FOR THREE GENERATIONS.
I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT PRESERVING WHAT MAKES CARLSBAD SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE WE ALL CALL HOME.
WERMERS IS NOT A TRADITIONAL DEVELOPER.
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WE BUY, BUILD AND HOLD ALL OF OUR PROJECTS LONG TERM.WE WERE NOT NEW TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
WE OWN THE CARLSBAD LOFTS APARTMENTS.
AND WE RECENTLY JUST BROKE GROUND ON AVIARA APARTMENTS, 258 UNITS ON LAUREL TREE IN AVIARA AT WERMERS. I STRIVE TO BUILD PROJECTS THAT MAKE THE COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO SO TO PRESENT THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT. TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO PATRICK.
GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL.
CITY STAFF. MY NAME IS PATRICK ZABROCKI.
I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE HOPE APARTMENTS PROJECT.
AS AN OVERVIEW. THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT ONE AND IS IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE VILLAGE RIGHT ALONG CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE, WHERE IT MEETS UP WITH THE FIVE FREEWAY.
THE EXISTING SITE INCLUDES THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE MOTEL.
THREE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AT THE CORNER OF HOPE AND GRAND, AS WELL AS A VACANT.
A PORTION OF THE SITE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF TWO PERMITS FROM THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, ONE FOR A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP TO SIMPLIFY THE SITE BY CONSOLIDATING A PATCHWORK OF FIVE EXISTING LOTS INTO ONE LOT.
THE SECOND PERMIT IS FOR A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND AS A PART OF THAT PERMIT, WE ARE PROPOSING A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE, WHICH IS WHERE THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL OCCUPY TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE SITE RATHER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL.
WE PROPOSE TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE BUILDING TO HAVE 156 FOR RENT APARTMENT UNITS.
20 OF THOSE WILL BE RESERVED FOR RESIDENTS OF VERY LOW INCOME.
THE FOUR STORY BUILDING WILL BE 45FT IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE LOFTS NEXT DOOR.
A TOTAL LANDSCAPED AREA IS PROPOSED OF APPROXIMATELY 12,000FT².
WE WILL ALSO BE REDESIGNING THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ALONG GRAND AVENUE.
AND ADDITIONALLY, WE LISTENED TO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS REQUESTS FROM OUR PREVIOUS HEARING WHERE WE WERE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AND WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL PATHWAY THAT GIVES DIRECT ACCESS FROM THE LEASING COURTYARD DIRECTLY OVER TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.
NOW, I WAS MENTIONED BY CITY STAFF IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
WE MEET THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY FOR THE SITE.
WE ARE PROVIDING THE REQUIRED AFFORDABLE UNITS ON SITE.
WE ARE WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AND WE'VE PREPARED AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE WILL BE EXEMPT FROM SEQUA AS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
NOW THIS IS AN AMENITIES RICH PROJECT WITH FEATURES THAT WE KNOW RESIDENTS WILL BE EXCITED FOR.
AND THAT INCLUDES AN INDOOR AND OUTDOOR FITNESS CENTER, A ROOF DECK, INDOOR COMMUNITY AREA, TWO LARGE OPEN SPACE COURTYARDS THAT WILL HAVE FEATURES SUCH AS BARBECUES, FIRE PITS, GATHERING AREAS AND OF COURSE, A COMMUNITY POOL AND JACUZZI.
NOW, OVERALL, WE FEEL THAT THIS PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE MEETS THE VISION OF THIS STYLE AND COMPLEMENTS THE ARCHITECTURE OF OTHER SURROUNDING PROJECTS IN THE VILLAGE, BUT IT STILL HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS.
NOW, BEYOND JUST THE STICKS AND BRICKS OF THE OF THE PROJECT, IT WILL ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.
AND IF YOU LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE PACKED THE PROJECT WITH GREEN FEATURES.
BUT ALSO CONSIDER THAT GIVEN THE SITE'S CENTRAL LOCATION IN THE VILLAGE AND ITS WALKABILITY, THERE WILL BE LESS TRANSPORTATION RELATED GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
BUT AS A DEVELOPER THAT CARES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE GONE BEYOND JUST THE REQUIREMENTS TO ENGAGE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS BY DOING THINGS LIKE INSTALLING, NOTICING SIGNS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE PROJECT, UPDATING OUR NOTIFICATION MAILING LISTS BEFORE BOTH HEARINGS HERE AND MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ONE ON ONE.
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SOME OF THE COMMON CONCERNS EXPRESSED DURING OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS INCLUDE TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, PARKING AND HOW THE PROJECT WILL FIT IN WITH THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER.NOW, IN RESPONSE TO TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CONCERNS, WE ENDED UP PERFORMING A HIGHER LEVEL TRAFFIC STUDY THAN WHAT WAS ACTUALLY REQUIRED IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY CONCLUDED THAT THE PROJECT'S NET TOTAL OF ONLY 105 DAILY TRIPS WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT TRAFFIC LEVELS OR SAFETY ANYWHERE AROUND OUR PROJECT.
ANOTHER TOPIC OF CONCERN WAS THAT OF PARKING.
IN FACT, ACCORDING TO STATE LAW, WE ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 78 PARKING SPACES.
THE CITY REQUIREMENT FOR OUR PROJECT WOULD BE 196 SPACES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE 277 PARKING SPACES BECAUSE BASED ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN CARLSBAD SPECIFICALLY, WE FOUND THAT'S A TRUE NUMBER TO PARK THE PROJECT WITHOUT THERE BEING ANY ISSUES OF ON STREET PARKING.
AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE EARLY ON.
SO WE DID OUR HOMEWORK AND WE WORKED INTERNALLY TO TO KIND OF FOLLOW WHAT WE FELT WAS BEST FOR THIS SITE, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY DID NOT AT THAT TIME HAVE ANY OBJECTIVE STANDARDS.
NOW, ONE WAY TO DEMONSTRATE HOW WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH THAT AND HOW WE CONCLUDED THAT OUR ARCHITECTURE REALLY WILL FIT IN IS THAT WE IS SHOWN IN THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE WHERE WE'VE GOT FOUR PROJECTS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT SHARE OUR PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
THERE'S OF COURSE, THE LOFT PROJECT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S THE GRAND WEST CARLISLE CONDOS AS WELL AS GRAND JEFFERSON.
AND NOW WHEN YOU PUT OUR PROJECT NEXT TO THOSE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GOT SIMILAR COLORS, MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLINGS BECAUSE WE FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE CONSISTENCY AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER AS WELL AS PRESENT.
HOWEVER, APPROVING PROJECTS THAT PROVIDE MORE HOUSING IN THE RIGHT PLACES WILL INCREMENTALLY HELP.
AND LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT.
BUT IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS BEEN PLANNING.
AND ITS RESIDENTS, THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS HAS BEEN PLANNING FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IN THIS LOCATION FOR MANY YEARS THROUGH THE PREPARATION AND ADOPTION OF SEVERAL LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
AND GIVEN THERE WERE NO SUBSEQUENT APPEALS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU UPHOLD THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE HOPE APARTMENTS PROJECT TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE PLEASE STAY AT THE PODIUM IN CASE ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS A QUESTION.
WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS WITH YOU, MISS BHAT-PATEL.
SURE. I THINK I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF, NOT OF THE DEVELOPER.
THANK YOU. REMAIN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE LINE.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, MISS BHAT-PATEL OR OF STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? ALL RIGHT, GREAT.
OKAY. SO JUST TO A QUICK QUESTION.
I KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, RIGHT, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 15%.
SO WHAT ARE THE NUMBER WHAT IS THE NUMBER DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE BASE DWELLING UNITS AND THEN THE UNITS THAT ARE NOW WE HAVE 156 UNITS HERE BECAUSE 15% OF THAT IS NOT THE 20.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BASE NUMBER WOULD BE.
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COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL SO THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING UNIT REQUIRES YOU TO TAKE TO DETERMINE THE REQUIREMENT BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS AND TYPICALLY THE REQUIREMENT IS 15%.BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING VERY LOW INCOME UNITS, THEY GET TO GO DOWN TO 12.5%.
YEAH. AND I THINK AND I HAD CALCULATED 12.8.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT GENERALLY, WE GENERALLY SAY THE 15%.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT EXTRA CLARITY ON THAT.
AND THEN I KNOW WHEN I HAD ASKED YOU ALL DURING THE BRIEFINGS, I HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING, AND I'M GLAD THAT THE DEVELOPERS MENTIONED HOW THEY'RE GOING ABOVE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED FROM THE STATE AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY AS WELL.
ANY OF THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT PIECE.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND THEN I JUST HAVE COMMENTS.
JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I'M TRYING TO READ.
OH, YEAH. SO I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT OUR REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT NUMBERS.
I WON'T SAY RINA SO THAT THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT NUMBER, WHAT THAT USUALLY MEANS IS WE'RE ALLOCATED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS WE HAVE TO BUILD AS A CITY FROM FROM THE FROM THE REGION.
AND SO REALLY QUICKLY ON THAT WHEN WE SAY THAT IT'LL MEET THE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH INCOME LEVEL IS IT MEETING AT IS WHAT I WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE THE 20 VERY LOW INCOME BUT THEN WHAT ARE THE REST GOING TO BE? FACTORED IN THAT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL THEIR MARKET RATE UNITS, SO THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED INCLUSIONARY HOUSING UNITS.
SO THEY WOULD BE AT THE MODERATE INCOME LEVEL OR WOULD IT BE ABOVE MODERATE INCOME? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IS ABOVE MODERATE.
OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW WE FAR EXCEED OUR NUMBER ON THE ABOVE MODERATE.
SO, I WAS JUST WANTING TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT WOULD BE FALLING WITHIN A DIFFERENT BRACKET.
OKAY, THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO I THINK MY QUESTION ABOUT VERY LOW INCOME WAS KIND OF HINTED AT.
THE INCOME CATEGORIES RELATE TO THE MEDIAN INCOME.
SO THERE'S PERCENTILES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED TO EACH INCOME CATEGORY GROUPS.
GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I'M JUST TO DIG I WANT TO SHARE THIS TO THE PUBLIC.
SO LIKE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME IS LIKE A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED.
WHAT IS THAT? SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING? WHAT IF YOU'RE VERY LOW INCOME? HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE PER YEAR? WHAT IS 80% OF OUR AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME IN CARLSBAD? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IF YOU GIVE US A MINUTE, WE CAN.
YEAH, I WOULD LOVE THAT IF WE COULD ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK THAT AND THEY'RE SURPRISED AT HOW HIGH IT IS CONSIDERING WE HAVE A HIGHER MEDIAN INCOME IN OUR AREA THAN IN OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY.
SO, IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT DEFINITELY GIVE YOU A MINUTE.
AND THEN MOVE ALONG TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
AND I GUESS THIS ONE'S FOR THE DEVELOPERS.
AS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I KNOW YOU GAVE A PRESENTATION THAT ADDRESSED SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I WAS WONDERING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PART ABOUT THIS, THE THE KIND OF BLOCKING AND THE WALL LIKE APPEARANCE.
I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR, WHICH IS NOT THIS AREA, BUT EVEN IN MY DISTRICT, I HEAR PEOPLE SAY THAT THE LOFTS APARTMENT IS NOT A GREAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT HAS A WALL WHEN YOU COME INTO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW DID WE HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING MAYBE NOT HAVING SUCH A BLOCK OR A WALL FOR SUCH A LARGE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS IN THE IMAGINED CARLSBAD LETTER AS WELL.
WELL, TO ADDRESS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT AREA YOU WERE REFERENCING FOR THE BLOCK.
YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO CARLSBAD LOFTS THE JUST DRIVING DOWN CARLSBAD VILLAGE.
YEAH. JUST THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
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LIKE WE DID THAT PULL TO PUT IT FARTHER AWAY AND LEAVE CARL'S JUNIOR WHERE IT'S AT.YEAH, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALSO IN THAT LETTER, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF CHANGING THE LOOK OF THE PROJECT AFTER THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT POLICY 35 WAS REFERENCED IN THAT.
DID YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL? WHEN WAS THAT LETTER WRITTEN? IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHILE AGO BECAUSE I DON'T.
IT'S IN OUR PACKET. ALL RIGHT.
AND YOU SAID IT WAS IMAGINED, SO IT WAS GARY.
OH, I SHOULDN'T. ANYWAYS, THE APOLOGIZE, THE.
THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WHAT THEY'RE REFERENCING IN THAT LETTER.
OKAY, GREAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET WERE ALL THINGS THAT WERE RESPONDED TO BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT THERE WERE OTHERS IN HERE THAT I JUST WANTED TO CHECK ON.
SO THANK YOU. AND JUST TO THAT, I RAN INTO THEM BEFORE THE MEETING AND HE WAS PRETTY POSITIVE.
AND I GUESS WE'LL GO BACK TO STAFF.
WE HAVE AN ANSWER ON WHAT IS VERY LOW INCOME.
HOW MUCH WOULD YOU HAVE TO MAKE TO BE VERY LOW INCOME? YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.
SO THE THRESHOLD SIDES ARE BASED OFF OF FAMILY UNIT SIZES.
SO FOR A THREE PERSON HOUSEHOLD, THE FAMILY SIZE, WHICH I WOULD ANTICIPATE TO BE ACCOMMODATED BY LIKE A TWO BEDROOM UNIT AT THE 50% INCOME LEVEL, IT IS 62,000.
FOR A FOUR PERSON FAMILY SIZE, IT GOES UP TO 68.
AND AS A COMPARISON, THE SAN DIEGO MEDIAN INCOME IS 116,000.
OKAY. SO LET ME JUST REPEAT THAT BACK.
FOR A THREE PERSON HOUSEHOLD, VERY LOW INCOME WOULD BE $62,000 ANNUAL INCOME OR MAYBE 68 UP TO $68,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR. FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR.
OKAY. AND THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR VERY LOW INCOME AT THAT INCOME CATEGORY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS.
I HAD A VERY THOROUGH BRIEFING ON THIS, MISS HARKER.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS.
AS YOU KNOW, VILLAGE, VILLAGE ONE, DISTRICT ONE IS A VERY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE PLACE, AND I APPRECIATE PATRICK AND ANDREW AUSTIN.
AUSTIN CLOSE ENOUGH. STARTS WITH AN A.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BUY, HOLD AND DON'T BUY TO SELL OR BUILD AND HOLD AND NOT BUILD TO SELL.
IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE VILLAGE BEFORE.
IF YOU LOOK AT STATE STREET, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THERE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I THINK YOU DID A THOROUGH AND AMAZING JOB OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
SO, I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS NOT PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.
AND I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WANTS TO IMPLEMENT.
OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA TO HAVE SOME FINALITY TO THAT RECOMMENDED CHANGE, I WOULD SUGGEST OR STAFF SUGGEST MAKING THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION SO THAT THERE IS SOME CERTAINTY THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT THE APPLICANT IS VOLUNTARILY ACCOMMODATING THAT REQUEST.
THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH THE COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, WHEN I SAW THAT YOU ONLY HAD TO DO 78 PARKING SPACES FOR 150 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, I CRINGED AND THOUGHT, OH, WHAT A NIGHTMARE THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EXCELLENT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN EXTRA PARKING SPOTS.
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THANK YOU. I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.I AGREE THAT IT KIND OF THE FIRST PROJECT LOOKS LIKE A WALL AS YOU'RE COMING IN TO CARLSBAD.
AND THAT'S NOT REALLY INVITING, ALTHOUGH IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
AND THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE REPLACING.
I'M JUST I THINK IT'S ALL REALLY GOOD.
IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE PROJECT.
SO FOR FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE AND TRUST IN CARLSBAD WITH ALL OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS.
I JUST HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION OF COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA.
YOU WERE REFERENCING THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, CORRECT? YES. OKAY, GREAT.
I'LL MAKE MY MOTION AT THE END.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME IN THAT AREA AND DENSITY CAN BE HARD.
SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THIS.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED TENTATIVE TRACK MAP AND SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE CHANGE TO ADD THE SIDEWALK TO CONNECT TO CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE.
MEAN, SIR, THE IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE OPENED IT. YOU WEREN'T SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, SO WE CLOSED IT.
SO, NO, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS.
AFTERWARDS, YOU CAN SPEAK WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
MISS BURKHOLDER, DID YOU MAKE A MOTION? I DID. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO.
OKAY. AND I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
OKAY. I THINK THAT MISS BURKHOLDER MADE THE MOTION TO ADD THAT.
DID YOU INCLUDE THE ENTIRE PROJECT? THANK YOU. THEN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND ON THEIR WAY OUT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE TALK WITH THE GENTLEMAN IN THE AUDIENCE? THANK YOU. OF COURSE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS.
WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE AT 640.
CALLING OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
ITEM NUMBER TEN IS THE MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
[10. MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION]
CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS.THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO FORGET, DIDN'T YOU? MY. MY NOMINATION IS JOHN MAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS ON COMMITTEES IS THAT I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE CANDIDATES TO GET ON THE WAITING LIST FOR OUR CITIZENS ACADEMY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD.
IT SHOWS HOW INVESTED THEY ARE.
I KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE A WAITING LIST, DO WE NOT? FOR THE CITIZENS ACADEMY.
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE CITIZENS ACADEMIES AND WE WILL BE HAVING ONE THIS THURSDAY.
SO I WHEN I SEE AN APPLICANT AND THEY CHECK THE BOX THAT THEY'VE GONE TO THE CITIZENS ACADEMY OR WILL BE GOING, THAT THAT THAT PUTS THEM TO THE TOP OF THE PILE FOR ME. SO THANK YOU.
AND THE FIRST QUESTION SHE ASKED ME IS, ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO THE CITIZENS ACADEMY? AND AS SOON AS YOU'RE FINISHED, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY ENDORSEMENT.
SO YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY THAT? MS.. BHAT-PATEL. OH, MISS ACOSTA.
AND I SEE ON THIS COMMISSION DISTRICTS, DISTRICT ONE IS TWO FOLKS.
DISTRICT TWO HAS SOMEBODY, DISTRICT THREE HAS SOMEONE.
THERE'S NO ONE FROM DISTRICT FOUR, BUT ALSO NO ONE APPLIED FROM DISTRICT FOUR.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK A NICE DIVERSITY ON EACH COMMISSION FROM ALL PARTS OF THE CITY IS IDEAL.
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SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CITIZENS ACADEMY AND TO APPLY FOR COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.YES, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT MR. MAY WAS MY STATS TEACHER AT CARLSBAD HIGH, SO I'M EXCITED THAT HE'LL BE SERVING, WHICH IS REALLY COOL.
PLEASE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. MAYOR. ITEM NUMBER 11.
[11. ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC AGENCIES POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS TRUST, APPOINTING PUBLIC AGENCY RETIREMENT SYSTEM AS THE TRUST ADMINISTRATOR AND AMENDING AND ADOPTING CITY COUNCIL POLICIES]
CITY MANAGER, PLEASE.THANK YOU SO MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC PUBLIC AGENCIES POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS TRUST APPOINTING PUBLIC AGENCY RETIREMENT SYSTEM AS THE TRUST ADMINISTRATOR AND AMENDING AND ADOPTING CITY COUNCIL POLICIES.
MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, ZACK KOUROSH.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A SECTION 115 PENSION TRUST.
WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE CITY'S PENSION PLAN IN ITS CURRENT STATUS, DISCUSSING SOME OF THE MANY CHALLENGES SURROUNDING MANAGING CALPERS AND THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY WILL THEN BE DISCUSSING THE SECTION 115 TRUST AND CLOSING WITH RECOMMENDED ACTIONS.
IT STANDS FOR THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RETIREMENT SYSTEM.
HOW THESE BENEFITS ARE FUNDED IS A VERY INCREDIBLE.
EXCUSE ME IS AN INCREDIBLY CRITICAL COMPONENT.
AND THERE ARE REALLY TWO SIMPLE WAYS FOR WHICH THESE BENEFITS ARE FUNDED.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS ONCE CONTRIBUTIONS ARE MADE FROM THE CITY TO CALPERS, CALPERS TURNS AROUND AND INVESTS THOSE DOLLARS IN HOPES OF ACHIEVING AN ANNUAL RATE OF INVESTMENT RETURN OF 6.8%.
NOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CALPERS DICTATES THE AMOUNT THAT THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE EVERY YEAR AND THE AMOUNT THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE CONTRIBUTED TO CALPERS CHANGES EVERY YEAR BASED ON THOSE TWO VERY THINGS ACTUAL INVESTMENT RETURNS FROM CALPERS AS WELL AS THEIR ACTUARIAL ASSUMPTIONS.
HERE WE HAVE A 20 YEAR LOOK AT CALPERS HISTORICAL INVESTMENT PERFORMANCE.
THE BLUE BARS REPRESENT THE PERCENTAGE OF INVESTMENT RETURN OR LOSS.
AND THE ORANGE LINE GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE GRAPH REPRESENTS CALPERS TARGET RATE OF RETURN IN ANY GIVEN YEAR WHERE THE BLUE BARS ARE ABOVE THAT TARGET RATE, THAT MEANS THE CITY'S REQUIRED CONTRIBUTIONS WENT DOWN THEREAFTER.
THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS LONG RECOGNIZED THE CHALLENGES SURROUNDING PENSION RATE VOLATILITY.
IN FISCAL YEAR 2012 AND EVEN PRIOR TO CALPERS OWN VERSION OR FORM OF PENSION REFORM IN 2013, THE CITY ESTABLISHED A MORE COST EFFECTIVE BENEFIT TIER.
FURTHERMORE, IN 2019, THE CITY ADOPTED ITS OWN PENSION FUNDING POLICY, AND THIS POLICY STRIVES TO MAINTAIN AN 80% FUNDED STATUS SINCE FISCAL YEAR 20 1617.
THE CITY HAS ALSO MADE ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO CALPERS IN THE AMOUNT OF $56.4 MILLION.
AND I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND EXPLAIN.
CALPERS REPORTS AND THE TIMING FOR WHICH THE INFORMATION COMES AVAILABLE TO RESPECTIVE OR PARTICIPATING AGENCIES DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF DATA AND INFORMATION THAT CALPERS REQUIRES TO COMPLETE THEIR ACTUARIAL STUDIES.
THERE'S USUALLY ABOUT A 14 OR 15 MONTH LAG TIME BEFORE PARTICIPATING AGENCIES RECEIVE THESE REPORTS.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THE CHANGE FROM FISCAL YEAR 21 TO FISCAL YEAR 22.
AND WE CAN SEE EXCUSE ME, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TABLE ON THE LEFT, THE FUNDED RATIO, WHEN WE REFER TO THE FUNDED RATIO OR THE FUNDED STATUS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF ASSETS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO FUND FUTURE PENSION BENEFITS IN COMPARISON TO TO THE TOTAL LIABILITY, THE TOTAL PENSION
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LIABILITY AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2021, THE CITY'S COMBINED OR TOTAL FUNDED RATIO WAS 86%, AND THAT WAS A RELATIVELY HIGH MARK.THEY ACHIEVED OR EARNED A 6.1% INVESTMENT LOSS AND THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.
AS TO WHY THE CITY'S FUNDED RATIO DECREASED FROM 86% TO 74.6%.
NOW, COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 86 REQUIRES THE CITY TO MAINTAIN A FUNDED RATIO OF 80% AND CURRENTLY BEING AT 74.6%, THERE'S A SHORTFALL, AND THAT TRANSLATES TO APPROXIMATELY $47.5 MILLION.
AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS LATER IN THE PRESENTATION FURTHER.
I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BACKGROUND AND THE HISTORY OF CALPERS AND OBVIOUSLY THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE CITY'S PENSION PLAN AND WANTED TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE MANY CHALLENGES THAT THE CITY HAS AND CONTINUES TO FACE.
HAVING AN UNDERFUNDED PENSION SYSTEM COMES WITH ASSOCIATED INTEREST COSTS, AND THE CITY IS ALSO SUBJECT TO PENSION RATE AND PENSION COST VOLATILITY BASED ON CALPERS CHANGES AND ASSUMPTIONS AS WELL AS THEIR ACTUAL INVESTMENT PERFORMANCE.
HAVING ALL OF THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTIONS UNDER CALPERS CONTROL CREATES A SIGNIFICANT LEVEL OF CONCENTRATION RISK AND PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT RISKS FACING THE CITY AND ALL PARTICIPATING AGENCIES WITH CALPERS IS THE POTENTIAL FOR CALPERS TO FURTHER REDUCE THEIR TARGET RATE OF RETURN.
FOR THESE REASONS, MANY AGENCIES HAVE BEEN TURNING TO SECTION 115 TRUSTS AS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION.
BUT THERE ARE MANY UNIQUE ADVANTAGES AND BENEFITS TO ESTABLISHING A SUCH A TRUST.
FIRST, RATHER THAN PRE-FUNDING CALPERS OR MAKING CONTRIBUTIONS IN EXCESS OF WHAT IS REQUIRED, THE CITY RETAINS THESE DOLLARS AND HAS FULL DISCRETION AS TO HOW THEY'RE INVESTED WITHIN THE 115 TRUST.
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE ASSETS IN THE TRUST AND TO POTENTIALLY OFFSET THOSE IMPACTS.
ASSETS CONTRIBUTED TO THE TRUST WOULD BE DIVERSIFIED FROM CALPERS AND HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO EARN A HIGHER RATE THAN IF THEY WERE OTHERWISE KEPT WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND IN ITS PRIMARY INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO.
ON JUNE 6TH, 2023, STAFF PRESENTED AN INFORMATIONAL REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSING THE OPTIONS RELATED TO ESTABLISHING A SECTION 115 TRUST AND ULTIMATELY PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF TO FURTHER PURSUE.
SINCE THAT TIME, STAFF HAVE CONDUCTED AND COMPLETED THE RFP PROCESS IN SEARCH OF A TRUST ADMINISTRATOR, AN INTERNAL REVIEW COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, MYSELF, AS WELL AS THE CITY TREASURER, HAVE UNANIMOUSLY CHOSE PATHS TO RECOMMEND FOR APPOINTMENT NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH CALPERS.
THEY ARE ALSO ONE OF ONLY TWO PROVIDERS THAT HAVE RECEIVED A PRIVATE LETTER RULING FROM THE IRS, WHICH EFFECTIVELY ASSURES PARTICIPATING AGENCIES THAT ANY OF THE INVESTMENT ACTIVITIES AND SPECIFICALLY THE INVESTMENT EARNINGS WILL REMAIN TAX EXEMPT.
SERVING AS THE CITY'S TRUST ADMINISTRATOR, PARS WOULD ASSIST WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TRUST HANDLE, THE ACCOUNTING OF THE ASSETS, MONITOR THE PLAN'S COMPLIANCE WITH WITH EACH OF LOCAL, FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS.
ADDITIONALLY. THE TRUST WOULD ALSO HAVE AN INVESTMENT MANAGER.
THE INTERNAL REVIEW COMMITTEE ALSO UNANIMOUSLY SELECTED VANGUARD TO SERVE THAT ROLE.
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VANGUARD IS ONE OF THE OLDEST AND LARGEST INVESTMENT FIRMS, WITH OVER $13.4 BILLION IN RELATED ASSETS UNDER THEIR MANAGEMENT.VANGUARD IS UNIQUE IN THAT THEY THEY POOL PLAN ASSETS ACROSS RESPECTIVE AGENCIES, TRUSTS WHICH ALLOW FOR ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND ULTIMATELY LOWER FEES TO THE CITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S PROPOSED PENSION INVESTMENT.
PENSION TRUST INVESTMENT POLICY.
VANGUARD WOULD MANAGE THE CITY'S ASSETS UNDER WHAT WE REFER TO AS A BALANCED INVESTMENT STRATEGY.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS STRATEGY IS MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN CALPERS IS CURRENT TARGET RATE.
SO ONCE THE TRUST IS ESTABLISHED OR IF THE TRUST IS ESTABLISHED, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION, AND THAT IS THE FUNDING STRATEGY.
IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 86.
STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING A POLICY AMENDMENT BE APPROVED, WHICH WOULD ALLOW ASSETS WITHIN THE SECTION 115 TRUST TO COUNT TOWARDS THE 80% POLICY TARGET BECAUSE THE CITY IS CURRENTLY BELOW THE 80% FUNDED STATUS POLICY TARGET.
RATHER THAN HAVING TO MAKE A ONE TIME PAYMENT TO CALPERS AMOUNTING TO $47 MILLION.
NOT ONLY WOULD THIS MAINTAIN THE CITY'S LOCAL CONTROL OVER ITS ASSETS AND HOW THEY ARE INVESTED, BUT WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO ACCUMULATE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO REACH THE 80% FUNDED STATUS WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
SINCE THE EARLY 2000, CALPERS HAS REDUCED THEIR TARGET RATE FROM 8.25% TO 6.8%, REPRESENTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO PAY.
FURTHER REDUCTIONS TO SAY, A LEVEL OF 6.25% WOULD RESULT IN ADDITIONAL UNFUNDED COSTS OF APPROXIMATELY $118 MILLION, WHICH, IF CALPERS CHOSE TO REDUCE THEIR RATES, THEIR TARGET RATES, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO PAY OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD WITH THE SECTION 115 TRUST STAFF WOULD REGULARLY MONITOR THE INVESTMENT BALANCE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ON TRACK TO FUND THIS POTENTIAL RISK.
SO IN SUMMARY, WITH AN INITIAL INVESTMENT OF $10 MILLION, FOLLOWED BY FOUR ANNUAL CONTRIBUTIONS OF $7.5 MILLION, AND ASSUMING A 6.25% ANNUAL RATE OF RETURN, THE CITY WOULD ACHIEVE TWO THINGS.
FIRST, COMPLIANCE WITH ITS PENSION FUNDING POLICY WITHIN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, AND SECONDLY, SUFFICIENTLY FUND THE POTENTIAL CALPERS DISCOUNT RATE REDUCTION WITHIN A 20 YEAR PERIOD.
CLOSING WITH THE RECOMMENDED ACTIONS.
SECOND AND THIRD RECOMMENDED ACTIONS RELATED TO CURRENT CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 86 AMENDED AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD AGAIN ALLOW ASSETS CONTRIBUTED TO THE 115 TRUST TO COUNT TOWARDS THE CITY'S POLICY TARGET OF 80%.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE ADOPTION OF NEW CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 98, PENSION TRUST INVESTMENT POLICY.
AND THIS POLICY WOULD GOVERN THE INVESTMENT ACTIVITIES OVER ASSETS CONTRIBUTED TO THE 115 TRUST ONE AREA OR POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR RECOMMENDED ACTIONS, NUMBER TWO AND THREE THAT WOULD REQUIRE FOUR VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
WITH THAT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? YES, WE HAVE ONE.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.
I'M SAYING SOMETHING NICE TO YOU ABOUT BEING PROACTIVE IN.
SEEING A POTENTIAL PROBLEM AND A POTENTIAL SOLUTION.
I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU DO MORE FOR OTHER.
SENIOR CENTER AT PARK AND REC.
THEY WANT A SECOND SENIOR CENTER IN SOUTH LA COSTA AREA.
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IF WE CAN KEEP SOME OF THE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND PUT IT IN A SAVINGS ACCOUNT TO BUILD A SECOND SENIOR CENTER OR TO ADDRESS ISSUES AS NEEDED, THEY CARRILLO RANCH, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY WANT TO SAVE SOME MONEY.FOR NECESSARY MONEYMAKING IDEAS AT THE RANCH.
THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE.
THE ONLY ONES INVOLVED AND GET THE PRAISE OR THE BLAME FOR NOT SEEING AHEAD.
WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS FAR AS THE MONEY.
AND MY ONLY OTHER RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO HOW MUCH MONEY ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE HELD IN THE GENERAL FUND, 40% HELD IN THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S A LOT MORE THAN OTHER CITIES DO.
IF YOU TOOK 1% OF THAT, YOU COULD OPEN UP THE LIBRARIES.
SO. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE HARD WORKING, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE SUCH FINE EMPLOYEES WHO DO STUDIES. STAFF HERE IS GREAT.
HIGHER UPS ARE PRETTY AUTHORITARIAN.
THEY DON'T LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC ALL THE TIME OR THEY DON'T CARE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
BECAUSE WHY NOT? WHAT'S 1% OF THE GENERAL FUND? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO OTHER SPEAKERS. THANK YOU.
MS.. BHAT-PATEL? YES, THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
JUST IN TERMS OF COMPARISON WITH OTHERS IN THE REGION, I KNOW WE'VE WE'VE DONE COMPARISONS BEFORE WITH REGARDS TO HOW MUCH WE'RE FUNDED VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS. I KNOW GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE AT THAT 80%, WE TEND TO BE PRETTY HIGH UP IN THAT LIST AS THAT NUMBER HAS COME DOWN A BIT.
ARE WE AND I'M ASSUMING THE VOLATILITY IS AFFECTING ALL OF US, ARE WE STILL HIGH UP ON THAT LIST? I JUST WAS CURIOUS IN COMPARISON TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO IT IS RELATIVELY SAFE TO SAY THAT AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2021, WE WERE JUST SHORTLY BEHIND THE CITY OF CORONADO. THEY WERE SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE 80%, 86% FUNDED STATUS MARK.
I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS THAT WE WOULD SEE A SIMILAR, SIMILAR COMPARISON.
ONCE THE DATA BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR ALL ALL JURISDICTIONS.
OKAY, GREAT. AND I KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT VOLATILITY, THAT TENDS TO BE THE REASON AS TO WHY WE SEE THOSE FLUCTUATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT PERCENTAGE WE'VE FUNDED THAT WE ARE FUNDED.
RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE AN ACCURATE STATEMENT, CORRECT.
OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW OVER THE YEARS IT AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH YOU THAT WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT TO PAY DOWN WHAT WE NEED TO. WOULD THAT ALSO BE CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, THE CITY HAS CONTRIBUTED $56.4 MILLION ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IT WAS REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE.
GREAT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, MISS ACOSTA.
OKAY. MISS BURKHOLDER? YEAH. THANK YOU, ZACH, FOR THAT.
AND I EXTENSIVELY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SECTION 115.
SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU TONIGHT IN THE POLICY, WHICH WOULD BE OUR NEW PENSION FUNDING POLICY, AND IT'S IN BOTH OF THEM OR ALL OF THEM, IT'S JUST THE STATEMENT OF POLICY. IT TALKS ABOUT THE FUNDING RATIO BETWEEN 80 AND 85%.
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AND IT GOES ON TO SAY THE CITY WILL ENSURE THAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE AVAILABLE RATHER, TO BOTH FULFILL THE CITY'S CONTRACTUAL PROMISES TO HIS EMPLOYEES AND MINIMIZE THE CHANCE THAT FUNDING THESE BENEFITS WILL INTERFERE WITH THE CITY'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC.ABSOLUTELY. THE FIRST WAY I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION IS ESTABLISHING A SECTION 115 TRUST IN NO WAY IMPACTS THE CITY'S EMPLOYEES.
THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE MADE ON BEHALF OF THE EMPLOYEES.
THIS IS SEPARATELY OR SOLELY BETWEEN THE CITY FUNDING THE SECTION 115 TRUST.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE STATEMENT OF POLICY, HAVING A SECTION 115 TRUST THAT IS FUNDED DOES GO A LONG WAYS TOWARDS ENSURING THAT THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE RESPONDING AND FUNDING ITS OBLIGATIONS IN RESPECT TO CALPERS REQUIRED CONTRIBUTIONS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, MISS LUNA.
THANK YOU. AND COMPLIMENTS TO MS..
THIS IS THE KIND OF THINKING WE LIKE HERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE 115 TRUST IS NOT IN PER'S HANDS, SO WE WILL APPEAR TO BE UNDER MORE UNDERFUNDED THAN WE REALLY ARE. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? YES AND NO.
THE CALPERS REPORTS WILL WILL SHOW A FUNDED STATUS THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE OR FACTOR IN ANY CONTRIBUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE SECTION 115 TRUST. THAT'S CORRECT IN THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE PURPOSES FOR THE POLICY AMENDMENT, SO THAT WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE AND RESPECT THE DESIRE TO TO MAINTAIN THE 80% FUNDED STATUS WOULD BE TO COUNT THE ASSETS IN THE SECTION 115 TRUST.
THEY WILL NOT INCLUDE THEM IN THEIR IN THEIR ACTUARIAL STUDY REPORTS.
SO IN THE FUTURE, WHEN YOU DO REPORTS, IT'LL SHOW OUR OUR PERCENTAGE FUNDED THROUGH CALPERS AND THEN OUR TOTAL PERCENTAGE FUNDED, INCLUDING THE 115 TRUST.
WE ARE GOING TO BE WELL FUNDED BECAUSE OF THE 115 TRUST.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S DECEIVING BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES BORROWED MONEY TO PAY THEIR OBLIGATION.
WE DON'T BORROW MONEY TO PAY THAT OBLIGATION.
IS THAT ACCURATE? AND IF I COULD FIRST, ZACH, IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEN I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR IS ALLUDING TO OR PENSION OBLIGATION FUNDS. SO COULD YOU BRIEFLY TOUCH ON POBS? SURE. THERE WERE TWO JURISDICTIONS, I BELIEVE, THAT ISSUED PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS IN 2021, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
ONE OF THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS BY EFFECTIVELY PRE-FUNDING CALPERS AND CALPERS LATER GOING THROUGH A PERIOD OF POOR INVESTMENT PERFORMANCE. THEY'RE LOSING ADDITIONAL FUNDS ON THOSE INVESTMENTS WHILE STILL REQUIRING TO PAY DOWN THE DEBT THAT WAS ISSUED TO FUND THAT UNFUNDED LIABILITY. SO DURING PERIODS OF POOR PERFORMANCE, THERE ARE ARGUMENTS THAT AGENCIES ARE DOUBLE HIT WITH THE COSTS.
THANK YOU. CLOSING COMMENTS, MISS LUNA.
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NONE. THANK YOU, MISS BURKHOLDER.YES. SINCE I DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS, I WANTED TO SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR THANKS TO OUR STAFF.
I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS IN JUNE, SETTING UP THE 115, AND WE HAVE TAKEN OUR PENSION COSTS SERIOUSLY AT THE CITY AS AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. OVER THE PAST, I THINK YOU SAID SEVEN YEARS, $56.4 MILLION WAS PAID OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO PAY.
SO WE WE WERE OVER 80% FUNDED JUST TWO YEARS AGO.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT IT NOW AND WE JUST WE NEED TO STABILIZE OUR OUR FUNDING FOR THIS.
SO I APPRECIATE THIS AND I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.
AND I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR BEING FORWARD THINKING AND BRINGING THIS TO US.
JUST A NOTE OF GRATITUDE AS WELL.
AND THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT ALL THREE RESOLUTIONS IN THIS AGENDA.
DO YOU WANT US TO BREAK IT UP? BECAUSE I KNOW TWO OF THEM REQUIRE A FOUR.
OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO PROPOSE A CHANGE TO THE RESOLUTION THAT'S IN EXHIBIT ONE.
AND THAT SHOULD SAY THE CITY MANAGER AS PLAN ADMINISTRATOR.
OKAY. SO THAT MOTION WITH THE CHANGES THAT THE ATTORNEY JUST NOTED.
PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 12 CITY MANAGER, PLEASE.
[12. FOLLOW-UP ON ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW BUILDINGS IN CARLSBAD]
ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A FOLLOW UP ON ELECTRIFICATION OF NEW BUILDINGS IN CARLSBAD.WE DO HAVE A JOINT PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE GIVEN WITH OUR SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER, KATIE HENDRICK, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, MIKE STRONG, AND THEN OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, GINA HERRERA.
DISCUSS WHO HAS REACHED CODES IN THE STATE.
DEFINE WHAT ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODES ARE.
REVIEW THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE AND ITS CYCLES.
AT THE JULY 11TH, 2023, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE AND MODELS THE CITY COULD FOLLOW.
HOW THE CITY COULD POTENTIALLY DEVELOP AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE AND OPTIONS TO DEVELOP AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE, INCLUDING COSTS AND A TIMELINE FOR ITS DEVELOPMENT. I'LL QUICKLY PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE STATE'S GREEN BUILDING CODE AND WHAT A REACH CODE IS.
CALIFORNIA'S GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS ARE FOUND IN TWO PARTS OF THE BUILDING CODE.
PART 11 THE GREEN BUILDING CODE, ALSO KNOWN AS CAL GREEN, IS FOCUSED ON REDUCING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND IS ADOPTED BY THE STATE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. LOCAL JURISDICTIONS MAY ADOPT A REACH CODE OR A BUILDING CODE THAT EXCEEDS THE STATE STANDARDS, SO LONG AS THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ONE AT LEAST AS STRINGENT AS THE STATE'S BUILDING CODE.
TWO. IS COST EFFECTIVE AND THREE IS APPROVED BY THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION.
WHAT CALIFORNIA JURISDICTIONS HAVE REACH CODES DURING THE PREVIOUS 2019 BUILDING CODE CYCLE.
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50 JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE HAD A REACH CODE OF SOME KIND, CARLSBAD BEING ONE OF THEM.THIS LIST WAS INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT ONE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
OF THOSE 50 JURISDICTIONS, 20 JURISDICTIONS HAD AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED ORDINANCE.
AN EXAMPLE IS THE COUNTY OF MARIN, WHO ALLOWED ALL ELECTRIC AND MIXED FUEL CONSTRUCTION.
ZERO OF THOSE ARE ELECTRIC PREFERRED.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE CURRENT BUILDING CODE NOW MANDATES HOMES TO BE ELECTRIC READY, THUS SUPERSEDING PREVIOUS ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODES LIKE THE 2019 EXAMPLE FROM THE COUNTY OF MARIN.
THE OTHER FACTOR IS THAT SOME OF THE JURISDICTIONS ADOPTED ALL ELECTRIC REACH CODES IN ORDER TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE STATE REQUIRED. THOSE JURISDICTIONS ARE NOW IMPACTED BY THE NINTH CIRCUIT DECISION IN CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION VERSUS CITY OF BERKELEY.
WHAT THESE CURRENT ADOPTED REACH CODES DO INCLUDE ARE MEASURES SUCH AS ADDITIONAL SOLAR REQUIREMENTS, SUCH AS THE CITY OF SOLANA BEACH, OR TRIGGERS FOR ELECTRIC READY MEASURES FOR SUBSTANTIAL REMODELS SUCH AS THE CURRENT COUNTY OF MARIN ORDINANCE.
TO CLARIFY, THOSE EXAMPLES ARE NOT ELECTRIC PREFERRED, NOR ARE THEY ALL ELECTRIC, BUT THEY ARE ADOPTED REACH CODES THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES FOR THE 2022 CODE CYCLE.
AS A RESULT, JURISDICTIONS HAVE STAYED ENFORCEMENT OF THESE ORDINANCES BECAUSE OF THIS CASE.
IN THE CONTEXT OF A REACH CODE.
AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE ALLOWS MIXED FUEL POWER SOURCES WITHIN A BUILDING SO IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE COVERED GAS APPLIANCES SUBJECT TO FEDERAL REGULATION. HOWEVER, BUILDINGS WITH NATURAL GAS WOULD NEED TO MEET ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE REACH CODE.
THERE ARE THREE PATHWAYS TO PREPARE A REACH CODE.
THE FIRST IS WHOLE BUILDING ENERGY PERFORMANCE.
THIS PATHWAY WOULD SET A MINIMUM PERFORMANCE STANDARD THAT BUILDINGS MUST COMPLY WITH, AND THE INDIVIDUAL MEASURES TO MEET THAT STANDARD WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE DESIGNER OR THE BUILDER, NOT THE CITY.
SOME EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF MEASURES ARE EFFICIENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, LIGHTING, HVAC SYSTEMS. ET CETERA. CARLSBAD'S 2019 REACH CODE HAD SEVERAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES, AND ONE EXAMPLE IS THAT IT REQUIRED SOLAR PV ON ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE LAST PATHWAY IS REQUIRING MAJOR RENOVATIONS TO COMPLY WITH THE SAME GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS AS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
CALIFORNIA'S BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE STRICTER FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO BY DEFINING MAJOR RENOVATIONS AS NEW CONSTRUCTION, THESE RENOVATIONS WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME MORE STRINGENT STATEWIDE REGULATIONS FOR NEW BUILDINGS. THIS WAS DONE IN CARLSBAD'S 2019 REACH CODE USING A PERMIT VALUATION THRESHOLD FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, SOME OF WHICH IS STILL BEING ENFORCED TODAY.
THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS CODE CYCLE AND ENFORCED FROM 2020 THROUGH 2022.
THE 2022 CODE OR IN THE MIDDLE IS THE CURRENT CODE CYCLE, HENCE THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING THE CITY BEGAN ENFORCEMENT IN JANUARY OF 2023 AND WILL BE ENFORCING THIS CODE THROUGH 2025.
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AND THEN UPCOMING IS THE 2025 CODE CYCLE AND THIS WILL BE ENFORCED FROM 2026 THROUGH 2028.LET'S DIG INTO WHAT THOSE ASPECTS OF THE STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE ARE IN THE CURRENT 2022 CODE.
ELECTRIC READY REQUIREMENTS ARE MANDATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
ENCOURAGING ELECTRIC HEAT PUMPS OR BEING ELECTRIC HEAT PUMP READY ACROSS BUILDING TYPES AND EXPANDED SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE REQUIREMENTS ACROSS BUILDING TYPES. WHILE THE 2025 CODE CYCLE MAY SEEM A WAYS OFF, A PRELIMINARY DRAFT OF THIS STATEWIDE CODE IS CURRENTLY PUBLISHED FOR REVIEW.
NON RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE AFFECTED BY MOST OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, ABOUT 40% OF THEM.
FOR THE TYPES OF UPDATES PROPOSED, HVAC MAKES UP ABOUT 40% OF THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES, AND SOME EXAMPLES OF THESE INCLUDE IMPROVING HVAC AND ENVELOPE PERFORMANCE ACROSS BUILDING TYPES, REQUIRING SOLAR FOR SINGLE FAMILY POOLS AND SPAS, AND REQUIRING ELECTRIC HEAT PUMPS FOR MULTIFAMILY.
TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, HOW HIGH A LOCAL AGENCY WOULD NEED TO REACH KEEPS GETTING MOVED HIGHER AND HIGHER EVERY THREE YEARS WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE LATEST BUILDING CODE. INCLUDED IN CITY COUNCIL'S MINUTE MOTION FROM JULY 11TH, 2023, WAS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON TIMING AND COSTS FOR PREPARING A REACH CODE, WHICH THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WILL COVER.
FOR TIMING, IT'S ESTIMATED IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 14 MONTHS TO PREPARE, ADOPT AND BEGIN ENFORCING A REACH CODE WITH TEN MONTHS TO DEVELOP AND ADOPT THREE MONTHS FOR THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE REACH CODE AND ONE MONTH TO FILE THE APPROVED REACH CODE WITH THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION FOR ANY REACH CODE PREPARED. IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE PREPARATION OF A COST EFFECTIVENESS STUDY AND OUTREACH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER STEPS IN THE PROCESS ON THIS SLIDE.
PULLING FROM RECENT ESTIMATES TO PREPARE, ADOPT AND BEGIN ENFORCING A REACH CODE CONSULTANT.
TIME IS ESTIMATED TO BE UP TO 340 HOURS, AND A CITY OF ENCINITAS 2021 STAFF REPORT APPROVED A $20,000 BUDGET FOR A CONSULTANT SCOPE OF WORK FOR THEIR RECENT REACH CODE UPDATE TO DEFRAY COSTS.
COST FOR A REACH CODE UPDATE ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET, THOUGH WORK COULD BE FUNDED WITH A TRANSFER FROM THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS IDENTIFIED.
OPTION ONE CONTINUE IMPLEMENTING THE CITY COUNCIL'S MINUTE MOTION FROM APRIL 19TH, 2022 AND BEGIN DEVELOPING A REACH CODE FOR THE 2022 ENERGY CODE SUBJECT TO NECESSARY BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS.
THIS WOULD RESULT IN AN ADOPTED REACH CODE IN THE ESTIMATED 14 MONTH TIMELINE, WHICH WOULD MEAN IT WOULD BE IN FORCE FROM APPROXIMATELY OCTOBER 2024 THROUGH THE END OF 2025.
OPTION TWO DEVELOP A REACH CODE UPDATE TO COINCIDE WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE 2025 ENERGY CODE AND GREEN BUILDING CODE CYCLE. SPECIFICALLY, THE ADOPTION OF THE 2025 BUILDING CODE WOULD OCCUR IN THE FALL OF 2025, AND ENFORCEMENT OF THIS CODE WOULD BE FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2026 THROUGH THE END OF 2028.
THIS OPTION WOULD RESULT IN A REACH CODE UPDATE LATER THAN OPTION ONE AND COULD INCORPORATE UPDATES, IF ANY, TO THE CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION VERSUS CITY OF BERKELEY CASE.
OPTION THREE TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION ON A POSSIBLE ORDINANCE REQUIRING ELECTRIFICATION AND PARTICIPATE AND FOLLOW THE 2025 ENERGY CODE AND GREEN BUILDING CODE CYCLE TO PLAN FOR AND IDENTIFY GREENHOUSE GAS SAVINGS FROM FUTURE GREEN BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.
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THIS WOULD RESULT IN NO REACH CODE UPDATE.BUT THIS ASSUMES A RULING THAT OVERTURNS THE EXISTING DECISION, AND THE TIMING OF THIS IS UNCERTAIN.
AN OPTION FIVE PROCEED WITH OTHER DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND I WANTED TO REITERATE ON THIS SLIDE THAT ANY OPTION THAT INVOLVES THE DEVELOPMENT OF A REACH CODE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE PREPARATION OF A COST EFFECTIVENESS STUDY.
THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO RECEIVE INFORMATION ON ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODES, REVIEW OPTIONS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THE NEXT DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE IN 2023.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL THE SPEAKERS.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CARL ALDINGER.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CARL ALDINGER AND I'M AN ORGANIZING ORGANIZER SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF SIERRA CLUB SAN DIEGO IN SUPPORT OF A QUICK ADOPTION OF AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE, WHICH STILL HAS GAS OPTIONS.
CARLSBAD WAS THE FIRST CITY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO ADOPT AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE ORDINANCE IN 2019, LEADING OFF WHAT BECAME 76 CITY AND COUNTY MOVES TOWARDS CLEANER BUILDINGS WITH IMPROVED, WHICH IMPROVE OUR HEALTH AND ADDRESS THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY.
WHEN A REACH CODE EXPIRES BECAUSE OF THE TRIENNIAL BUILDING CODE.
PASSING AN AMENDED REACH CODE IN THE SAME SPIRIT IS THE EXPECTED PATH FOR MUNICIPALITIES, AND MOST HAVE DONE THAT TO WORK, THAT WORK TO REFRESH THEIR REACH CODES, IMPROVING THEM TO KEEP UP WITH CODE CYCLE CHANGES, OFTEN WITH LITTLE FANFARE AND DRAMA.
WE NEED TO STEP UP AND RENEW IT WITH CHANGES.
RENEWAL IS TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY A MUCH SHORTER PROCESS THAN PASSING AN INITIAL REACH CODE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY, OUR BUILDERS AND EVEN OUR OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT. THEY HAVE LESS REQUIREMENT THAN BEFORE FOR EXTENSIVE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION.
A NATURAL RESPONSE MIGHT BE SHOULDN'T WE JUST WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT CODE CYCLE? INSTEAD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU RELY ON THE STATE AUTHORITIES WHO ARE TASKED WITH AND ARE PAID TO HELP CITIES TO RESEARCH AND WRITE A REACH CODE.
COST EFFECTIVENESS BEING A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S NOT INDEPENDENT OF EACH CITY.
IT'S INDEPENDENT OF EACH CLIMATE ZONE.
SO WE GET THAT DONE FOR A CLIMATE ZONE SEVEN, WHICH CARLSBAD IS IN, AND WE'RE COVERED.
I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE TEAM AT THE CALIFORNIA ENERGY CODES AND STANDARDS WHO HELP CITIES WRITE THESE REACH CODES, AND THEY ARE AWAITING CARLSBAD'S CALL TO HELP RESEARCH AND WRITE AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE.
SHARPENING THEIR PENCILS WAS THE PHRASE THEY USED WAITING UNTIL JANUARY OF 2026 OR LATER TO ACT IN A CLIMATE EMERGENCY SHOULD NOT BE AN OPTION. PLEASE CHOOSE OPTION ONE AND MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO WRITE A DRAFT ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE ORDINANCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THE MARIN COUNTY ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE FROM 2019 COULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PAIGE TOCINO.
HI, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL STAFF.
I'M A LONG TERM RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD WORKING FOR CLEAN ENERGY IN THE CITY FOR MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS.
THE CITY'S CLIMATE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION IS TWO YEARS OLD, AND YET NO ORDINANCES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.
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DISASTERS ARE LEVELING OFF, LET ALONE DIMINISHING.YES, CARLSBAD WAS THE FIRST STATE FIRST WITHIN THE STATE WITH A REACH CODE, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FORWARD WITH STRONGER BUILDING CODES THAT LOOK AT ENERGY EFFICIENCY, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO REACH OUR EMISSION TARGETS.
RIGHT NOW, THE LOGICAL ANSWER ESSER IS AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED ORDINANCE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SUCH ACTION DOES NOT DENY ANYONE THE OPTION OF USING METHANE IN THEIR HOME.
SUCH AN ORDINANCE MAY NOT HAVE A LARGE IMPACT ON ON REDUCING OUR EMISSIONS, BUT IT IS THE FIRST STEP IN EDUCATING RESIDENTS AND CONTRACTORS ON THE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS OF AN ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING WITH ALL NEW BUILDINGS IN THE STATE MANDATED TO HAVE SOLAR PREFERENTIALLY WITH STORAGE, THIS ORDINANCE WILL HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO IMPACT ON GRID STABILITY.
THERE SHOULD BE NO CONFLICT WITH THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE BERKELEY COURT CASE.
CARLSBAD'S CLIMATE EMERGENCY MEANS YOU SHOULDN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT CYCLE OF BUILDING CODES TO CONTAIN, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT CONTAIN INCREASED STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
AND IN ORDER TO MAKE PROGRESS ON MORE EFFICIENT BUILDINGS, MAKE CARLSBAD PROUD TO BE A LEADER ONCE AGAIN IN COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE BY SUPPORTING OPTION ONE TO COME UP WITH AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED NEW CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE.
THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LINDA DANIELS.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
I BEGAN WORKING ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WITH 350 SAN DIEGO AND NORTH COUNTY ALLIANCE.
YAY. I WANT TO FIRST THANK KATIE HENDRICK FOR HER STAFFING REPORT, WHICH WAS VERY THOROUGH AND DETAILED, OUTLINING OUR OPTIONS FOR CARLSBAD. GREAT JOB, KATIE.
I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS HOW CARLSBAD CAN BE A LEADER LIKE IN 2019 AND WITH THE WATER HEATERS.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE ZONE WE'RE IN, WE STILL ARE MANDATED TO HAVE THEM.
WE WANT TO BE PROUD OF THE HOMES BEING BUILT IN OUR CITY.
PREFERRED MEANS THERE IS A CHOICE BY THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS WAS EFFICIENT MEASURES SUCH AS TRIPLE INSULATION AND TRIPLE PANE GLASS AND COOL ROOFS, PRE ELECTRIC WIRING WITH 240 VOLT CONNECTIONS, WHICH IS ALREADY MANDATED BY THE STATE.
GETTING OUR NEIGHBORS TO UNDERSTAND BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION IS SO IMPORTANT THAT THE SIERRA CLUB HAS BEEN TABLING AT OUR LIBRARIES AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS, AS WELL AS HAVING RESIDENTS SIGN LETTERS TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION.
THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH INTEREST OUT THERE THAT WE'RE DOING THESE EVERY OTHER WEEKEND.
WE'RE NOT ALLOW TO APPROACH ANYBODY THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE LIBRARY OR COMING INTO THE LIBRARY.
THEY HAVE TO COME TO US AND THEY DO.
WE'VE HAD SUCH GREAT RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE SAYING, YES, WE WANT TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE CARLSBAD.
WE SIT. THEY COME OVER AND TALK TO US AND THEY ASK QUESTIONS.
OPTION ONE ALLOWS CARLSBAD TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE THAT CAN MEET THE NEEDS TO OUR HOMEBUYERS AND OUR RESIDENTS WHO BUILD ADUS ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH CARLSBAD IS ENCOURAGING RESIDENTS TO DO TO HELP SOLVE OUR HOUSING PROBLEM.
RUNNING A SEPARATE GAS LINE TO AN ADU IS REALLY COST PROHIBITIVE.
THERE ARE MANY BOILERPLATE ORDINANCES AVAILABLE FOR STAFF AND FREE ASSISTANCE FROM THE STATE.
PLEASE CONSIDER A YES FOR OPTION ONE.
THANK YOU. OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS KATHLEEN STEINBERGER.
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GOOD EVENING COUNCIL STAFF AND THANK YOU, KATIE, ALSO FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.I THOUGHT I HAD A COMMENT ON THE STAFF REPORT ITEM THAT THAT STATED.
A DECISION BY THE NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS HAS PREEMPTED A LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S POWER TO ENACT ELECTRIC ZONING, BUILDING CODES AND NATURAL GAS MORATORIUMS, EFFECTIVELY PRECLUDING THE CITY FROM PURSUING ANY OF THE THREE OPTIONS PRESENTED IN THE EPIC REPORT REGARDING ELECTRIC ZONING ORDINANCES. IS THAT REALLY ACCURATE? I. INTERESTINGLY, STARTING AUGUST OR APRIL 1ST, 2023, ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES BUILDING AND SAFETY DEPARTMENT SHALL ELIMINATE GAS SERVICE WITH EXCEPTIONS FOR THINGS LIKE ADUS.
THE COUNTY OF VENTURA, AS WELL AS NUMEROUS OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, HAVE PASSED ELECTRIC ONLY AND OR REACH ORDINANCES IN THEIR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. IN THE CASE OF SIERRA VERSUS BERKELEY, BERKELEY'S REGULATIONS ARE LOCATED IN THE CITY'S HEALTH AND SERVICE CODE.
SAN FRANCISCO REQUIRES ALL ELECTRIC BUILDINGS.
THERE ARE WAYS TO MODEL ORDINANCES SO THEY DO NOT RUN AFOUL OF THE ENERGY POLICY AND CONSERVATION ACT OR PCA'S PREEMPTION CLAUSE TO THE NINTH CIRCUIT RULING. SOME REGULATORY BODIES ENACT AIR EMISSION STANDARDS FOR NEW BUILDINGS THAT DO NOT DISCUSS THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE OF A BUILDING OR A COVERED APPLIANCE. THE NINTH CIRCUIT ALSO STATED THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN RETAIN AUTHORITY OVER THEIR NATURAL GAS DISTRIBUTION TO INDIVIDUAL PARCELS, PROVIDING ANOTHER METHOD OF REGULATING NATURAL GAS PRODUCTS.
WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME TO AVOID THE WORST IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND LIMIT GLOBAL WARMING.
THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL WILL START WITH YOU, MS..
LUNA. QUESTIONS? OKAY. MISS BURKHOLDER, QUESTIONS.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OPTIONS.
KATIE, BY THE WAY, EXCELLENT REPORT.
MADE ME KIND OF BECOME A ENERGY NERD FOR A MINUTE.
I THINK I WAS LIKE, WOW, THIS IS.
THIS IS REALLY GOOD REPORTING.
CAN YOU JUST GO OVER THAT WITH ME AGAIN? I WAS TRYING TO WRITE DOWN THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
I COULD DO THAT. AND I ALSO HAVE A TABLE VERSION OF THE OPTIONS IF IT'S EASIER TO READ.
AND I DID WANT TO MENTION THE STAFF REPORT IS DEFINITELY A TEAM EFFORT, AND MS..
HERRERA REALLY MADE IT WHAT IT IS.
SO I WOULD DIRECT ALL COMPLIMENTS TO HER.
SO OPTION ONE IS DEVELOP A REACH CODE FOR THIS CURRENT BUILDING CODE CYCLE, THE 2022 ENERGY CODE.
ESTIMATED TIMELINE WOULD BE 14 MONTHS TO PREPARE AND ADOPT THAT REACH CODE AND BEGIN ENFORCING IT.
SO ENFORCEMENT IS ESTIMATED OCTOBER, MAYBE NOVEMBER 20TH, 24 THROUGH THE END OF 2025.
OPTION TWO IS DEVELOP A CODE FOR THE UPCOMING 2025 ENERGY CODE.
THE FINAL RULING FROM THE CEC ON THAT CODE IS EXPECTED MID 2024, AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD BE PREPARING AND ADOPTING THAT REACH CODE TO COINCIDE WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTION OF THE STATE BUILDING CODE, WHICH TYPICALLY OCCURS IN THE FALL PRIOR TO THE ENFORCEMENT BEGINNING.
SO THAT WOULD BE FALL 2025 WITH ENFORCEMENT FOR THE FULL THREE YEAR PERIOD OF THAT CODE CYCLE, WHICH WOULD BE JANUARY 2026 THROUGH DECEMBER 2028. OPTION THREE, WHICH IS TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION, HAS NO TIMELINE SELF DESCRIBED.
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OPTION FOUR WAIT FOR CALIFORNIA RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION VERSUS CITY OF BERKELEY TO BE RESOLVED.AGAIN, THE TIMING IS UNCERTAIN.
AN ESTIMATE IS 1 TO 3 YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE EXTENT OF REVIEW.
AND THEN NUMBER FIVE IS OTHER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, AND THAT'S TBD.
AND DOES STAFF HAVE A PREFERENCE OUT OF ALL OF THAT LIST? I MEAN, YOU GUYS GOT TO DO THE WORK.
IT WAS COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF DID NOT HAVE A PREFERENCE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
I UNDERSTAND. I JUST I'M LOOKING AT IT LIKE I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES THIS IS A LOT OF WORK.
THERE'S HUGE COURT CASE OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH IT.
SO IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT YOU FELT MORE COMFORTABLE, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT WAS.
AND THEN I GUESS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE NUMBER? I THINK IT'S FIVE.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE REACH CODES BEING CONSIDERED ABOVE AND BEYOND.
OR NO. I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND.
WHAT? PIECES WOULD BE ELECTRIC PREFERRED.
OKAY. IF I COULD ADD SOME OR CONTRIBUTE TO THIS DISCUSSION.
THE 2019 CODE, WHICH HAS BEEN REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORTS AND AND THE PRESENTATION AS BEING A REACH CODE, WAS STATED AS A CONTINUATION OF THAT POLICY WITH THE 2022 VERSION.
SO TECHNICALLY TODAY OUR BUILDING CODE IS A REACH CODE.
THE ISSUE THAT I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CO-MINGLING IS WHAT TYPE OF REACH CODE ARE WE SEEKING TO ACHIEVE? SO THERE'S A PREFERRED ELECTRIC REACH CODE, WHICH IS ALL ELECTRIC.
YOU'RE PRECLUDING GAS DELIVERY VERSUS REACHING BEYOND THE 2022 EDITION OF THE ENERGY CODE AND THE GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS CODES, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE DONE.
IN PART, THE IDEA IS DO YOU WANT TO KEEP RATCHETING IT UP? SO THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF REACH CODES THAT COULD BE ADVANCED THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT OR THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF THE NEXT BUILDING CODE EDITION.
DID I JUST HEAR YOU SAY THAT A PREFERRED ELECTRIC REACH CODE ELIMINATES GAS? THE 2022 EDITION OF THE STATE MODEL ENERGY CODE ALREADY REQUIRES ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT HAS GAS APPLIANCES TO HAVE AN ELECTRIC RECEPTACLE NEXT TO IT.
SO THERE ALREADY IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BOTH DEVICES.
OKAY. BUT NOT SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN 2019.
RIGHT? SO THAT IS A PROGRESSIVELY MOVING OR PROSPECTIVELY MOVING FORWARD FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR REACH CODES ARE PRECLUDING THE GAS DELIVERY, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE LAWSUIT AND WHAT WAS MENTIONED BY SOME OF THE SPEAKERS.
OTHER AGENCIES MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ALSO PURSUED THAT.
SO INSTEAD OF A CERTAIN VALUATION FOR ALTERATIONS TO RATCHET UP THE ENERGY EFFICIENCIES IN NEW HOMES OR REMODELED HOMES AS TO LOWER THE VALUATION SO YOU GET MORE PROJECTS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN REACH CODES.
THERE'S DEFINITELY A GRAY AREA WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF BE IN BETWEEN OR DO A LITTLE BIT BEYOND WHAT THE STATE MODEL CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES, WHICH WAS WHAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS ADOPTED, OR EVEN GO BEYOND WHAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY ADOPTED.
I JUST NEEDED TO REVIEW THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE FAST.
YEAH. MINIMUM PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH. SO THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE STRICTER FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND MAJOR RENOVATIONS COULD BE FINE.
OKAY. I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY CLARIFICATION ON THE LAST PART THERE.
YES. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR A GREAT PRESENTATION AND A STAFF REPORT THAT'S CHOCK FULL OF INFORMATION.
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SO, MISS HENDRICK, IF YOU COULD GO OVER.YEAH. THE, THE BUILDING CODE CYCLES AND I HAD HEARD ALSO IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED WORKING ON UPDATING OUR REACH CODE LIKE THAT WAS A NORMAL PROGRESSION AND I DON'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND AND MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO LIKE AFTER WE HAD OUR KIND OF GROUNDBREAKING 2019 REACH CODE THAT WE'RE SO PROUD OF, SHOULD WERE WE SUPPOSED TO, LIKE, REAPPLY FOR SOMETHING? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WAS MORE ABOUT.
YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
I BELIEVE MR. STRONG JUST COVERED THAT IN A PREVIOUS COMMENT, BUT MAYBE IF YOU LIKE TO WALK THROUGH IT AGAIN, I'LL PULL UP THE SLIDE.
PERHAPS I CAN IN A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ANNOTATES THE CITY'S STRATEGY TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
SO ONE IS BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION OR REDUCING ELECTRICITY USE IN HOMES.
SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT AREA OF FOCUSED REGULATION, AND THAT'S WHY THE STATE ENERGY CODES ARE PROGRESSIVELY RATCHETING UP AND TO CURB THE USE IN THOSE. SO THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS WHAT'S GUIDING STAFF'S WORK, ITS INITIATIVES, AND SO FULFILLING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, A LOT OF IT RESONATED WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE 2019 ENERGY CODE AND GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS CODE.
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE IN THAT DOCUMENT.
PROVIDE STAFF TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WHEN THE 2022 EDITION OF THE STATE MODEL CODES WERE PROPOSED AT THAT TIME, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT THE CONTINUATION OF THE 2019 REACH CODES AND TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION AS PART OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THAT STRATEGY DOCUMENT, THAT DIRECT STAFF'S WORK AND IMPLEMENTING ORDINANCES.
SO THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS SUPPLEMENTING THAT EFFORT.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS TO ROLL THAT CONVERSATION INTO THE CLIMATE ACTION ACTION UPDATE PROCESS OR THROUGH THE NEXT EDITION OF THE ENERGY CODE OR TO DIRECT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I THINK MAYBE MY QUESTION WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH.
I WAS ASKING, DO WE DROP THE BALL? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T DO? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT INDICATED AND MAYBE I'M NOT BEING VERY CLEAR.
I THINK THERE'S A TECHNICAL ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
SO AS PART OF THE BUILDING CODE UPDATE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ADOPTED IN 2022, THE REMAINING PROVISIONS THAT WERE NOT SUPPLANTED BY THE ENERGY CODE WOULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED AT THAT POINT.
SO. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT DROPPING THE BALL IS THE CORRECT CHARACTERIZATION, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TECHNICALLY BEEN CONTINUED. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY BALL DROP BECAUSE THAT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS WHAT'S DIRECTING STAFF WORK.
AND I THOUGHT I HEARD THE SPEAKER SUGGEST THAT OUR REACH CODE HAD EXPIRED.
AND I DO THINK THAT THAT'S TECHNICALLY INCORRECT.
AND WE MAY HAVE EVEN A SLIDE TO SHOW THE THINGS THAT REMAIN IN EFFECT.
YEAH, IN THE BUILDING ORDINANCE.
SO TITLE 18 OF OUR CODE, THERE'S 1821 AND 1830.
THOSE ARE THE CHAPTERS OF THE BUILDING CODE THAT ADOPT THAT DIVISION OF THE MODEL CODES.
OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF RESPOND TO COMMUNITY QUESTIONS, THIS THIS SLIDE IS KIND OF THE RESPONSE.
AND IT'S THAT WE DIDN'T THERE WEREN'T PARTS OF OUR REACH CODE THAT EXPIRED.
WE THEY WERE JUST SUPERSEDED BY THE 2022 BUILDING CODE.
AND WE ARE STILL ENFORCING SOME THINGS ABOVE AND BEYOND.
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THAT IS A CORRECT SUMMARY AND THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT SUPERSEDED.THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE SUPPLANTED.
SO IT WAS LIMITED TO THOSE TWO SPECIFIC PROVISIONS.
IN FACT, IT ALSO REQUIRES IT IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND SOME CLIMATE ZONES LIKE IN SAN FRANCISCO.
THE REQUIRED EV PARKING SPACE IS AN EV CAPABLE SPACES.
THE STATE RATCHETED UP THE EV READY, BUT OUR EV INSTALLED IS STILL GREATER THAN THE ENERGY CODE, BUT EVERYTHING ON THE RIGHT COLUMN ARE STILL THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED REACH CODES THAT GO BEYOND WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
GREAT. THANK YOU AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THIS OVERVIEW AND ALL OF THE GREAT INFORMATION.
I JUST WANT TO ASK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BECAUSE I WAS THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THIS FORWARD IN RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS AND AND DESIRE FOR HAVING AN ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING CODE.
WE WANTED TO WE KNOW WE CAN'T DO THAT NOW.
AND WHEN WE HAD THIS LAST DISCUSSION BEFORE THIS ONE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT ELECTRIC PREFERRED AND WE TALKED ABOUT ELECTRIC PREFERRED BECAUSE WE WANTED IT TO BE OPTIONAL AND LIKE ENCOURAGED.
BUT WE KNEW THAT WE COULDN'T REQUIRE IT BECAUSE OF THE BERKELEY CASE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE A LANGUAGE DISCONNECT, MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE BECAUSE I'M NOT A TECHNICAL EXPERT IN THIS FIELD, BUT LIKE JUST TO KIND OF LIKE CUT TO THE CHASE AND SPEAK IN PLAIN ENGLISH, THE IDEA IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT NEW BUILDINGS BEING CONSTRUCTED IN CARLSBAD.
ARE ENCOURAGED AT THE THE MAXIMUM WAY WE CAN TO TO GO WITH ELECTRIC.
AND THE MARIN COUNTY EXAMPLE WAS THE ONE THAT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT.
AND THEY SAY IT'S DOABLE, IT'S POSSIBLE.
AND THEY KEEP PUSHING BACK AND SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOUR STAFF'S TELLING YOU ALL THESE THINGS.
AND I KNOW YOUR EXPERTS LIKE I KNOW AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THE CORRECT PATH TO TO WHAT IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO I GUESS IT'S GOING BACK TO THAT COUNTY OF MARIN ELECTRIC PREFERRED EXAMPLE.
IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE FOR US WITH THE ELECTRIC READY TRIGGERS? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
AND I CAN START AND I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE WILL FILL IN.
SO THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THAT COUNTY OF MARIN ELECTRIC PREFERRED ORDINANCES FROM 2009, THE 2019 CODE CYCLE.
SO PIECES OF THAT SORT OF LIKE MR. STRONG WAS JUST DESCRIBING WITH OUR OWN BUILDING CODE GOT SUPERSEDED BY THE STATE CODE.
SO PIECES OF THAT REACH CODE NO LONGER ARE REACHING.
AND I KEEP MOVING MY HAND UP BECAUSE I'M VERY VISUAL.
BUT AND I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THOSE COMPONENTS AS THE ELECTRIC READY PIECES.
YES. RIGHT. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE OUTLET.
SO IF YOU GO TO INDUCTION HEATING, YOU CAN YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE OUT YOUR GAS, YOU CAN PLUG IN.
SO THE SO IT'S READY TO BE CONVERTED, RIGHT? SO THAT SO ELECTRIC READY IS NOW REQUIRED BY THE 2022 ENERGY CODE WHICH WAS A LOT OF THE 2019 REACH CODES. RIGHT. RIGHT.
SO NOW 2022 CODE CYCLE EXAMPLES OF JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE STATE REQUIRED BUT ARE NOT ALL ELECTRIC OR NATURAL GAS MORATORIUM ARE IN MY GORGEOUS GREEN CIRCLE ON THE SLIDE THAT I JUST MADE AND THESE WERE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
ONE IS THE CITY OF SOLANA BEACH.
SO THEY ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THEIR BUILDING AND ENERGY CODES TO REQUIRE PV FOR ALL NEWLY CONSTRUCTED OR SUBSTANTIALLY REMODELED NON RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL MOTEL BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WITH EXCEPTIONS.
ADD MORE SOLAR REQUIREMENTS BEYOND WHAT THE STATE HAS.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE WE INCLUDED WAS TODAY'S COUNTY OF MARIN ORDINANCE.
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ADUS. ET CETERA.SO THOSE ARE THE TWO EXAMPLES THAT WE FELT.
AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND WERE INCLUDED IN THE COLUMN TABLE THAT KATIE SHOWED ARE ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT YOU CAN APPROACH THAT.
YOU COULD DO A WHOLE BUILDING PERFORMANCE.
SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT SAYING WHAT EXACTLY THE DEVELOPER BUILDER HAS TO DO.
YOU JUST SAY IT HAS TO BE ABOVE THIS THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT'S SOME MODELING REQUIRED, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE BUILDING PERFORMANCE MEASURE.
AND THEN THERE'S THINGS CALLED ERRORS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION WITHIN THE INCREASED ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES OR TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WHICH BOTH OF THESE WOULD BE ELECTRIC PREFERRED, RIGHT? SO THE BUILDING'S ENERGY CONSUMPTION IS, IS MINIMIZED, OPTIMIZED, REALLY.
AND THOSE ARE KIND OF MORE STATIC MEASURES LIKE ROOFS, COOL ROOFS.
SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT CITY OF LA OR COUNTY OF LA, HIGH PERFORMANCE WINDOWS ITEMS LIKE THAT, KIND OF DEPENDING ON IF IT'S LOW RISE OR A HIGH RISE BUILDING.
AND THEN SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE 2025 CODE UPDATE.
SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S KIND OF FOUR OPTIONS.
SO SOLAR, WHERE IT'S NOT OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY THE 2022 ENERGY CODE.
AND THEN IN THE ALTERNATIVE WHOLE PERFORMANCE MEASURES OR SPECIFIC MEASURES THAT YOU WOULD ALSO REQUIRE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT ARE NOT OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY THE 2022 REACH CODE.
GREAT. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO SUM UP IN MY MY PLANNING ENGLISH BRAIN, PUTTING TOGETHER A PACKAGE OF THESE THINGS LIKE ADDITIONAL PHOTOVOLTAIC, PHOTOVOLTAIC, THE ELECTRIC READY TRIGGERS FOR SUBSTANTIAL REMODELS, COOL ROOFS, LIKE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT MENU ITEMS. EVEN THIS I SAW CUPERTINO HAD THIS LEAD OR GREENPOINT RATED THIS COMPREHENSIVE, BUT NOT SPECIFIC NAMED KIND OF ELECTRIC TYPE BUILDINGS.
ALL OF THAT WOULD BE COULD COULD BE IN THE MENU FOR AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED REACH CODE FOR US.
RIGHT. LIKE WE COULD OUR STAFF COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING AND BRING IT BACK TO US.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH. SO, I MEAN, MAYBE THIS WILL BE HELPFUL.
THIS IS KIND OF THE METAPHOR THAT I KEEP RETURNING TO IS THE STATE SETS THE FLOOR, RIGHT? AND WITH EACH ENERGY CODE CYCLE, THE FLOOR IS COMING UP.
THE BERKELEY CASE KIND OF PROVIDES OUR CEILING, RIGHT, WHERE ALL ELECTRIC MORATORIUMS. YOU KNOW, ONE SPEAKER DID NOTE THAT THESE HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE BEING FORCED IS A DIFFERENT MATTER.
BUT BUT WITHIN THIS RANGE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EVER KIND OF DECREASING SPACE IN BETWEEN.
THERE ARE THOSE OPTIONS THAT THE CITY CAN ADOPT.
GREAT. OKAY. WELL, IT SEEMS I FEEL OPTIMISTIC.
SO, LIKE IF THE FLOOR KEEPS RISING A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE KNOW WHERE THE CEILING IS, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THAT IS STILL PUTTING US AT THE FOREFRONT OR NEAR THE FOREFRONT OF, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY THAT CARES ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT THAT.
PLACES, THESE ELECTRIC PREFERRED MODELS OUT THERE AND SAYS, HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S THERE'S HOPE.
LIKE SOMEHOW, SOMEHOW IN THE PRESENTATION I STARTED TO FEEL LIKE THERE WASN'T.
BUT I THINK THAT THIS MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.
SO WE'VE GOT A MENU, WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER AND WE CAN PRESENT THAT BACK TO US.
IS THAT CORRECT? LIKE, AM I DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AM I SAYING IT CORRECTLY? NO, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S GAS DELIVERY TO NEW HOMES, NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THEN YOU HAVE ALL THIS RETROACTIVELY.
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CHANGE THAT VALUATION OR COME UP WITH A NEW SUITE OF MEASURES TO IMPROVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY.WHERE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIVE OPTIONS.
AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS KIND OF INDICATED IN.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT ONE DEVELOPER REACH CODE 14 MONTHS TO PREPARE AND ADOPT.
RIGHT. BOTH BOTH COULD BE TO DO THAT.
START NOW AND GET THIS THING READY.
AND THE BERKELEY CASE WILL BE DECIDED AT SOME POINT.
AND THEN WE CAN, IF OUR CODE IS DEVELOPED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE'RE READY FOR IT AND IT MAKES IT AVAILABLE, THEN WE CAN HAVE THE REAL ALL ELECTRIC AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
HERRERA'S METAPHOR THAT I LIKE, ONE WOULD BE TO ADOPT A REACH CODE WITH THE CURRENT FLOOR AND CEILING, AND THEN TWO WOULD BE TO ADOPT A REACH CODE WITH THE NEW FLOOR.
AS THE STATE WILL HAVE MOVED THE FLOOR UP.
IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO STICK WITH THIS METAPHOR.
OKAY. AND BUT BUT IN TERMS OF PREPARATION, WE WOULD WE'D START NOW.
FOR BOTH FOR THE 2022 ENERGY CODE.
REACH CODE? YES. WE WOULD START NOW.
2025. SINCE THE CDC IS STILL DECIDING WHAT IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT BUILDING CODE, THERE ARE PRELIMINARY DRAFTS OUT NOW, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR FINAL RULE ESTIMATED MID 2024.
SO AT WHICH POINT WE COULD SAY WE WOULD BEGIN.
WE WOULD WAIT AND DO IT IN A YEAR OR LIKE TEN MONTHS.
YEAH. OKAY. SO ONE WOULD MEAN WE WOULD GET STARTED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
AND EITHER WAY, I MEAN, WE'RE REACHING, WE'RE REACHING TOWARDS THAT CEILING.
SO I LIKE OPTION ONE THE BEST TO THE SECOND BEST AND THE REST I DON'T LIKE.
BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION IS ONE COMPONENT OF THE MANY OPTIONS AND WAYS FOR US TO MEET THESE REACH TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE REACH CODES.
WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE? I WAS JUST TRYING TO SYNTHESIZE WHAT I HEARD FROM EARLIER.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY.
ANY MEASURE THAT GOES BEYOND THE MODEL CODES TECHNICALLY IS A REACH CODE.
THANK YOU. THAT WAS BETTER THAN HOW I PUT IT.
AND THEN OF THE OPTIONS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN ASKED ABOUT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND I KNOW I ASKED THIS DURING BRIEFING, BUT OF THESE OPTIONS.
SPECIFICALLY, DO ANY OF THESE INCLUDE AN ELECTRIC PREFERRED? OR WOULD WE HAVE TO CALL IT OUT IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD? WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AGAIN.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
I THINK, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO ONE OF THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONS WE WERE ANSWERING.
THERE ARE A MENU OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE FROM.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT IS INCLUDED IN A POSSIBLE REACH CODE UPDATE.
OKAY. AND JUST IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION, FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, WE WERE TRYING TO INCORPORATE OTHER WAYS FOR US TO ALSO MEET OUR GOALS.
WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE? JUST BASED ON WHAT I SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT AND I KNOW I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO REHASH SOME OF THE THINGS.
SORRY. OKAY. NO, NO, IT'S OKAY.
I JUST. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING AND THEN.
OKAY. YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THIS, SO I WON'T ASK THAT QUESTION.
LET ME GO DOWN TO I HAVE NUMBERS.
I'M LOOKING AT ALL MY NUMBERS.
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UM. OKAY.AND THE WHOLE BUILDING PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT YOU MENTIONED, MS..
WE'RE THIS IS WHERE IT ADDRESSES A HOLE, LIKE YOU'VE BEEN MENTIONING, A WHOLE MENU OF OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THAT BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION. THAT'S RIGHT.
AND COW GREEN PROVIDES SOME TEARS.
SO THERE'S THREE TEARS, ONE OF WHICH IS MANDATORY.
AND THEN THERE'S VOLUNTARY, VOLUNTARY TIER ONE, TIER TWO.
OKAY. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.
IS THAT SAYING WE JUST FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE IS DICTATING THAT WE DO? ON NUMBER THREE.
CHOICE NUMBER THREE. THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, KATIE CAN CLARIFY FURTHER, BUT THE THE THE THE UPDATE TO THE CODE ALSO HAS PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO IF THERE WAS A MEASURE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY OF INTEREST, IT COULD BE REQUESTED.
AND I MEAN, THERE IS A PARTICIPATION COMPONENT TO THE CODE UPDATE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, KIND OF.
IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE NO ACTION, BUT I MEAN, THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THE PROCESS, BUT IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY FOLLOWING THE STATE'S LEAD. OKAY.
THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, IF I MAY, IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE 22 EDITION WHERE THERE'S A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING REACH CODES TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE STILL APPLICABLE, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS TO DROP OFF ONE OF THOSE MEASURES AND POTENTIALLY INVALIDATE OUR STANDING WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
SO TO CONTINUE THE VALIDITY OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND ITS IMPLEMENTATION, WE NEED TO CONTINUE THOSE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED IN THE 2019 CYCLE AND THEN RE ADOPTED IN 2022.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUPPLANTED, RE ADOPT THEM IN 2025.
THANK YOU. THERE'S THERE'S A LOT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT.
I'M UNDERSTANDING. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
MISS YOU WANT TO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? OKAY. GO AHEAD. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I WANTED TO ASK IF WE MOVED FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE, WOULD WE BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING DEVELOPING THE REACH CODES FOR 2025 AS WELL? I'M ASSUMING POST NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO.
FOR A FOR A REACH CODE IN 2025.
I THINK, LIKE MR. STRONG JUST SAID, ANY APPLICABLE COMPONENTS OF THE REACH CODE THAT STILL APPLIED WITH THE 2025 CODE CYCLE WOULD BE ADOPTED THEN. OKAY.
SO OUR CAT PRESENTLY IS NOT AFFECTED IN A POOR WAY? CORRECT. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED REACH CODE.
THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED AND FORECASTED FUTURE EMISSIONS AND THEN TOOK AN ACCOUNT CERTAIN MEASURES TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION ASSUMED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 2019 CODE, WHICH WAS RE ADOPTED IN 2022 FOR THE FULL CYCLE OF THE BUILD OUT OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO BETWEEN NOW AND THE HORIZON YEAR OF WHEN WE BE BUILT OUT AS A CITY.
SO THE CONTINUATION OF THOSE MEASURES WOULD BE EXPECTED IN PERPETUITY.
OKAY. AND AS FAR AS WHOLE BUILDING ENERGY PERFORMANCE, DO YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY WHO HAS TAKEN THAT APPROACH? UNDER THOSE REACH CODES THAT I HAVE REFERENCED EARLIER.
IF THERE IS A NON RESIDENTIAL ALTERATION OR ADDITION THAT EXCEEDS A $200,000 BUILDING PERMIT VALUATION, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A ENERGY EVALUATION THAT REACHES 0.95.
WELL, THAT'S OKAY. MR. STRONG, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY.
SO ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYBODY WHO HAS UTILIZED THIS OPTION? YES. AND ANY BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S SUBMITTED THAT FOR NON RESIDENTIAL THAT EXCEEDS 200,000, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT.
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YES. SO WE HAVE HAD HAVE IMPLEMENTED THAT.AND SO THEY ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING THAT.
SO THEY'RE GOING OVER AND BEYOND, CORRECT? YES. OKAY.
UM, AS FAR AS USING YOUR METAPHOR, WHICH IS PERFECT.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR 20, 20, 25 HERE, UBC CODE UPDATE THAT'S IN DRAFT FORM.
NOW WE HAVE OUR PLATFORM HERE.
SO INCREMENTALLY, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MAY BE CHASING OUR TAIL AS FAR AS SENDING YOU OFF TO DO SOME REACH UPDATES IN THAT WE HAVE THE UPC, IT'S IN DRAFT.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD PROBABLY ACHIEVE OUR ELECTRIFICATION AWARENESS AND THAT IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CITY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HIT HERE.
WE'RE DUAL PLUGGING, WE'RE DOING THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER AVENUES THAT WE COULD DO IT IN LIGHT OF GETTING BITS AND PIECES OF CERTAIN PARCELS FOR AND. REACH CODE, THAT IS.
CONTEMPLATING MEETING 2025, BUT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT YET.
FOR EXAMPLE, COULD WE DO OUTREACH PROGRAMS? COULD WE DO AWARENESS PROGRAMS? IT'S COMING. IT'S COMING.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE'RE NOT BUDGETED FOR THAT.
YOU HAVE 20 TO 40,000 K 20,000 FOR OUR CONSULTANTS.
SO ARE YOU ASSUMING ANOTHER 20,000 FOR STAFF IMPLEMENTATION? ARE WE GOING OUT FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH? RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING GO AHEAD AND DO AN UPDATED REACH PROGRAM WITHOUT THIS BEING VETTED THROUGH OUR THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WOULDN'T BE WELL RECEIVED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT.
SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
WELL, THIS IS KIND OF BEYOND THE STAFF REPORT.
BUT IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF OUTREACH, I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FUNDING COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN TERMS OF INCENTIVES FOR THINGS LIKE HEAT PUMPS, FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SOME OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO START KNOWING MORE ABOUT IN OCTOBER.
BUT IN TERMS OF OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES, THAT WOULD BE ONE OPTION.
SO IF YOU WERE TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET AND APPROVED BUDGET THAT WE PUT IN OUR PLAN, THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE DRAFT COMPONENTS OF A 2025 UPDATE.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SORT OF DUPLICATING SOME EFFORT TO MAYBE POP UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.
WHEREAS IF WE COULD BUDGET FOR IT, I MEAN, I'M CONCERNED WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET FOR THIS AND WE ARE NOT COMPROMISING OUR CAP AT THIS POINT.
UBC COMES IN AND ALL THE WORK YOU'VE PUT IN, IT'S JUST AUTOMATICALLY SUPPLANTED WHEN IF UBC WAS THERE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO EXPEND THAT EXTRA FISCAL TIME AND STAFF TIME BECAUSE WE, WE, WE BASICALLY WERE DUPLICATING WHAT UBC WAS DOING.
IT'S WRONG, RIGHT? WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER, I WOULD SAY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A POLICY JUDGMENT FOR THE COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD SPEND OUR TIME NOW OR SPEND OUR TIME.
BUT AS FAR AS BUT AS FAR AS TAKING A LOOK AT AT WHAT WOULD BE CONTAINED WITHIN A REACH, WHETHER IT REFLECTS 2022 OR 2025, DRAFT CODE CODE, THE TIMING IS RELEVANT.
OUR ESTIMATES AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME.
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AND WHEN I SAY LESS TIME, THE TIME THAT THEY'RE IN EFFECT.RIGHT. WHEREAS ANY THAT APPLY TO THE 2025 WOULD BE IN EFFECT.
YES. RIGHT. I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO BE PROACTIVE.
CLOSING COMMENTS. WE'LL JUST KEEP IT WITH YOU, MISS LUNA.
I THINK I WOULD AT THIS POINT EITHER WAIT FOR FOR ACTUALLY OTHER DIRECTION WOULD BE TO COME BACK.
OR INCLUDE IN OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE A PROVISION TO DEVELOP A REACH CODE FOR 2025.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE WE'RE READY TO DO THAT NOW.
AND I THINK THAT I WOULD GO WITH FIVE UNDER OTHER DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US AND YOU WOULD INCORPORATE THAT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THIS, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE PRETTY STABLE RIGHT NOW.
MS. BURKHOLDER WELL, THAT MAY THAT MADE ME HAVE A QUESTION NOW.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE THEN TO DO CONCURRENTLY SOME TYPE OF I KNOW THERE IS A SENSE OF URGENCY TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN.
SO WITH THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT COUNCILWOMAN LUNA SAID TO TO COME BACK, I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON THIS TO FIGURE OUT A COST EFFECTIVENESS OF IT AND WHAT A BUDGET WOULD LOOK LIKE.
IF WE GO THAT DIRECTION, IS THAT POSSIBLE? IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE DOING? IF WE SAY, PLEASE BRING THIS BACK WITH SOME NUMBERS AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
COUNCIL MEMBER IF IF COUNCIL PROVIDE US THE DIRECTION TODAY.
SO IF IF COUNCIL PROVIDES US DIRECTION TO GO WITH OPTION ONE, OPTION TWO THAT'S PROVIDING US THE DIRECTION WE'VE GIVEN YOU KIND OF A BASELINE FOR I'M GOING OFF OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA SAID PER DIRECTION.
OUR PLAN WOULD BE BRINGING IT FORWARD IN THE BUDGET.
TYPICALLY, WE BRING FORWARD OUR BUDGET FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN MAY.
TIME FRAME. YEAH. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT OPTION FIVE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
OKAY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT JUST SAYING, HEY, BRING US BACK A BUDGET.
LIKE WE WEREN'T. WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF AND MORE MEAT AND POTATOES LIKE THE OPTIONS THAT MY COLLEAGUES WERE TALKING ABOUT OF WHAT THIS MEANS, KIND OF THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THIS SORT OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, I NEED MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHICH OPTION I WOULD GO FOR.
THANK YOU. SO IN HEARING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING, I KIND OF WANT TO INCORPORATE YOUR THOUGHTS INTO MINE, SO I KNOW WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAID EARLIER I WOULD LIKE TO DO OPTION 1 OR 2.
I KNOW, BUT I WOULD RATHER MODIFY 1 OR 2 AND CALL THAT FIVE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO ONE WOULD BE LET'S START NOW AND FOR COST.
AND WE KNOW ABOUT FEDERAL GRANTS.
AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BECAUSE THIS IS HOT STUFF RIGHT NOW.
SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT BETWEEN 20 AND 40,000.
COUNCIL HAS A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN OUR COUNCIL CONTINGENCY FUND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US.
NOW. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.
THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY IN OUR COUNCIL CONTINGENCY FUND.
SO THAT'S IF WE DO ONE AND THEN THAT WOULD BE PREPARING IT.
WE APPROVE THE BUDGET AND WE DO IT.
SO I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST PART OF IT.
I THINK EITHER WITH 1 OR 2, IT'S MORE A MATTER OF CAN WE DO THIS CONCURRENTLY? LIKE SIMULTANEOUSLY, CAN STAFF GET STARTED PREPARING THIS? AND THEN AS THESE THINGS COME OUT, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD THAT ONE SLIDE THAT SAID WE ALREADY EXPECT SOME DRAFT THINGS COMING DOWN, CAN STAFF LIKE BE FLEXIBLE AND NIMBLE AND
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ADD THAT IN, INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR PLANS? SO AGAIN, I I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAT COST PART BECAUSE I THINK WE ADDRESSED THAT AND STAFF ADDRESSED THAT.SO I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE TIMELINE AND WHAT'S THE BEST THING FOR US.
YES. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER OPTION 1 OR 2 AS WELL, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA MENTIONED.
I DO THINK THAT I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO TAKE SOME ACTION, SO OPTION ONE GETS US THERE SOONER.
OPTION TWO OBVIOUSLY WOULD ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAMP UP FOR IT AND THEN OF COURSE IMPLEMENT WHAT WE NEED TO FOR A FULLER TO A FULLER EXTENT. SO INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY.
BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
AND THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE FOR SHOWING UP TODAY.
FIRST THANK YOU TO THE SIERRA CLUB.
THANK YOU. THIS IS COMPLICATED AND IT MEANS A LOT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
BUT WE HAVE A PENDING LAWSUIT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THE LAWSUIT IS.
ALSO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 TO $40,000 AND STAFF TIME, I'M JUST I'M NOT CONVINCED THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME AND THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO PUT INTO THIS.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT NUMBER THREE OR NUMBER FOUR.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD START WITH A MOTION.
TAKE SOME VOTES AND THROUGH PROCESS OF ELIMINATION WILL COME UP WITH A DECISION TONIGHT.
I COULD SUPPORT NUMBER THREE, THEN I WOULD MOVE THAT WE PURSUE OPTION NUMBER THREE.
OKAY. THE MOTION IS TO PURSUE OPTION THREE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
WITH THAT, WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
SO IT'LL BE OPTION THREE TONIGHT.
IS THAT THE CONCLUSION? THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF OUR CALENDAR.
[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS]
CLOSING STATEMENTS.WE'LL START WITH YOU, MS.. BHAT-PATEL.
OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS MEETING PRETTY REGULARLY IN ORDER TO FIND WHO THAT REPLACEMENT WILL BE.
BUT JUST WANTED TO REPORT OUT THAT WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO FIND WHO WILL BE REPLACING MR. TUCKER. THE OTHER QUICK UPDATE.
THE REST OF THE WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY ONWARDS.
THAT'S IT. THANKS, MISS ACOSTA.
LOT'S BEEN HAPPENING AT THE WATER AUTHORITY.
WE HAD A BOARD RETREAT LAST THURSDAY DAY IN NORTH COUNTY, WHICH IS GREAT.
WE BROUGHT PEOPLE UP TO NORTH COUNTY.
WE TALKED ABOUT FINANCIAL MODELING AND THE FUTURE OF WATER RATES.
IT'S SO SUCH AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.
I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE AT THE TABLE THAT VICKI QUERIM AND I ARE BOTH YOUR REPRESENTATIVES, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF HOMEWORK FOR YOU, TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST POSSIBLE DECISIONS.
UM, THE OTHER IS, OF COURSE, LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
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AND BOTH COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL AND I ARE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES ON THAT COMMITTEE.WE WILL MEET HERE WITH THE FOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT OVERLAP WITH OUR CITY BOUNDARIES.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS A REALLY EXCELLENT MEETING FOR COLLABORATION WITH OUR REGIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
SO THINGS ARE KIND OF CRAZY IN SACRAMENTO RIGHT NOW.
HE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN OR VETO ANYTHING.
ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T GET SIGNED OR VETOED AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES LAW.
SO WE'RE GOING TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON OCTOBER 14TH.
THEY'RE ALL ON OUR CITY WEBSITE.
I WANT TO THANK MR. HABER, WHO'S OUR STAFF PERSON, OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS DIRECTOR, WHO STAFFS US AT THOSE AND OF COURSE ALLEGRA FROST FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S DEPARTMENT AND OUR LOBBYISTS AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE HAVE REALLY EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES SEND THEIR STAFF TO COME GIVE US PRESENTATIONS.
WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE TODAY.
THEY GAVE US A PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH MAINTENANCE AND DREDGING SCHEDULES.
BATIQUITOS LAGOON IN MY DISTRICT, FOR EXAMPLE, WILL BE DREDGED AT THE END OF 2024 AND EARLY 2025.
SO WE HEARD UPDATES ON ALL OF THOSE.
THANK YOU. MS. BURKHOLDER NOTHING OTHER THAN TO ADD TO MY COLLEAGUES STATEMENT ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE THIS MORNING, WE ALSO HAD THE RANCHO CARLSBAD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HERE THAT DID AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION TO OUR COMMITTEE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THEIR WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS LIKE THE MOST ATTENDED LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE EVER.
MS.. LUNA THE SHORELINE PRESERVATION WORKING GROUP AT SANDAG, OF WHICH I SIT ON.
BIG REPORT HIT THE UT AND BASICALLY OUR BEACH AND SOUTH CARLSBAD IS LOSING AN AVERAGE OF TWO FEET OR MORE IN WIDTH ANNUALLY OVER THE PAST 22 YEARS, WHEREAS OUR NORTHERN CARLSBAD BEACHES GET SAND FROM THE OCCASIONAL DRENCHING OF AGUA HEDIONDA LAGOON, SANDAG DOES PLAN TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM BY ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO GO ONLINE AND CONTRIBUTE PHOTOGRAPHS AND OBSERVATIONS TO THEIR DATABASE.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY HAD HAD A REPORT LIKE THAT.
DATA. SO IT CAN BE INTERPRETED IN OTHER WAYS.
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST GREAT EFFORT THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND I THINK THE MAYOR WILL REMIND YOU, TOO, THAT THOSE BEACHES ARE MANAGED BY THE STATE.
SO HE AND I AREN'T GOING DOWN THERE WITH BUCKETS OF SAND.
AND I DON'T KNOW. ARE YOU AT NIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING OUT THERE CUTTING GRUNION.
AND THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT A REPORT EVER CAME ON, CAME OUT.
AND THEY TOOK DECADES, DECADES, DECADES OF OF DATA.
SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO REPORT.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH AT 5:00 PM.RIGHT HERE WILL BE THE CITIZENS ACADEMY CITY MANAGER.
[CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTS]
YES. I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE COUNCIL.ITEM 12 WAS DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY GINA HERRERA'S CITY COUNCIL DEBUT.
THE COUNCIL ENCOURAGES SCOTT AND I TO CREATE THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR STAFF, AND WHEN THEY COME IN, YOU ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS, BUT YOU TREAT THEM RESPECTFULLY AND PROFESSIONALLY. I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. CITY CLERK NOTHING.
THANK YOU. WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.