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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 4TH, 2023 MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION.
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PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, LED THIS EVENING BY COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MS.. ZIEGLER, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR CALLING ROLL.
WE ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER MEENES AND COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES TO APPROVE IN THIS PACKET.
SO MISS VIGELAND IS ANYONE FILED A REQUEST TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? NO, THEY HAVE NOT. OKAY, SO WE'LL PASS ON THAT.
SO SEEING NONE, WE WILL BEGIN TONIGHT'S HEARING.
OKAY. WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE BEFORE MR.
[1. CRUSE HOUSE REMODEL, ADU/GARAGE – CDP 2022-0062 (DEV2022-0221)]
LOWRY INTRODUCES IT. DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE ON THIS ONE? I'VE DRIVEN BY THE SITE AND I'VE WALKED IT.MR. LEE, WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER ONE? YES. HERE TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PERMIT IS ASSOCIATE PLANNER IZZY GUIRRE.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CRUSE HOUSE REMODEL ADU GARAGE.
THE MAIN RESIDENCE WILL REMAIN AS ONE STORY WITH AN OVERALL OVERALL HEIGHT OF 21FT TEN INCHES.
APART FROM THE RED FRONT AND REAR DOORS, THE EXTERIOR WILL BE PAINTED WITH EARTH TONE COLORS AND MATERIALS WILL CONSIST OF STONE VENEER, HARDIE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING AND SMOOTH STUCCO.
UM, COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOFING WILL BE USED AS WELL AS WOOD SLIDING DOORS AND METAL SHED AWNINGS.
THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. SEE? ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF? REALLY NOT OKAY WITH THAT.
APPLICANT MIGHT LIKE TO MAKE AN, MAKE A PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, BUT THEY WILL NOT GIVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I GUESS, ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? OKAY. SO WE'LL NOW OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE FILLED OUT A SPEAKER SLIP ON THIS ITEM? MISS VIGELAND NO, THEY HAVE NOT.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON THIS ITEM.
YES, I WOULD IMAGINE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF ON THIS ONE? OKAY. SEEING NOW WE'LL OPEN COMMISSION DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
YES, I THINK THIS IS A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
THERE SEEMS TO BE NO ISSUES OF BLOCKING OR IN ANY WAY PREVENTING ACCESS.
THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE HERE, NOR ARE THERE ANY VIEW ISSUES FROM ANY PUBLIC PLACES.
SO I SEE NO REASON NOT TO APPROVE THE PERMIT.
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I THINK IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD AND I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY.
PLEASE VOTE AND WAIT TO PUSH THE BUTTON.
OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES 5 TO 0 WITH COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY AND COMMISSIONER MEENES ABSENT.
AND WE GOT THE VOTING TO WORK ON THE SCREEN THE FIRST TIME, SO THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
SO. OKAY, THAT WAS A PLEASANT SURPRISE THERE.
OKAY. WE WILL NOW WE WILL NOW CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. LARA, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THE NEXT ITEM? I'M NUMBER THREE. SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
THANK YOU. I SHOULD MENTION THAT.
THANK YOU. AND THEN NUMBER THREE, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE NATHAN SCHMIDT.
[3. INTRODUCTION TO THE MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE (MTIF)]
HE IS THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND MOBILITY MANAGER AND ASK HIM TO INTRODUCE HIS CONSULTANT TEAM.THANK YOU, MR. LARDY. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS NATHAN SCHMIDT, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND MOBILITY MANAGER.
I'M PRESENTING ALONG WITH MYSELF TONIGHT ARE OUR CONSULTANTS FOR THIS PROJECT, KENDRA ROWLEY FROM FARREN PEARCE AND JULIE COOPER FROM ECONOMIC AND PLANNING SYSTEMS. SO THIS ITEM IS IN REGARDS TO AN INTRODUCTION TO THE CITY'S MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
I'M JUST A QUICK OUTLINE FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE HOW THE SNP, HOW AND RELATES TO THE NEW MTF PROGRAM, REVIEW THAT FEE UPDATE PROCESS AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ACCEPT YOUR FEEDBACK AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION.
SO FIRST TO TO FRAME THE NEED FOR AN UPDATED FEE PROGRAM.
SO THESE WOULD BE PROJECTS SUCH AS BUILDING OUT INTERSECTIONS, NEW OR WIDENED ROADWAYS.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE REALLY INTENDED TO ADDRESS VEHICLE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
MANY OF THE PROJECTS WITHIN OUR CURRENT FEE PROGRAM HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
WE'VE WE'VE BUILT OUT MANY OF THOSE AT THIS POINT.
NOW, SINCE THE ADOPTION OF OUR CURRENT GENERAL PLAN MOBILITY ELEMENT AND MORE RECENTLY OUR SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN, THE CITY IS MORE FOCUSED ON ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE SNP, IT INCORPORATES A DECADE OF PRIOR PLANNING WORK.
ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT FED INTO THE SNP ARE IDENTIFIED HERE.
WHAT THIS WILL DO WILL BUILD UPON THE PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT PLAN.
WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WILL DO WILL BE CONDUCTING ENGINEERING FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, SO DETERMINING A MORE REFINED PROJECT SCOPE FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFYING HOW MUCH THESE PROJECTS WILL COST.
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AND THEN LASTLY, IDENTIFYING FUNDING SOURCES.AT THAT MEETING, THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE VOTED TO KEEP THE MOBILITY STANDARD AS IS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY REQUIRES A MINIMUM LEVEL OF SERVICE D FOR ALL MODES OF TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. BUT DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE DID ADVOCATE FOR THE USE OF THE TIF TO FUND IMPLEMENTATION OF MULTIMODAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT FUTURE GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO JULIE.
I'M AN EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT WITH ECONOMIC AND PLANNING SYSTEMS. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
SO AS NATHAN ALREADY MENTIONED, PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SMP IS GOING TO BE IDENTIFYING FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PART OF THE PLAN.
THE CITY ALREADY HAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE OR A TIFF THAT HAS BEEN USED, AS NATHAN MENTIONED, TO FUND MANY OF THE EXISTING TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY'S IMPROVEMENT PLANS.
THE PROPOSED TIF OR MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE WILL REPLACE THE EXISTING TIFF.
SO IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL FEE.
IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FEE.
DEVELOPERS ALREADY PAY THE TIFF, SO NOW THEY WILL PAY THE TIFF INSTEAD.
THE FEE THAT'S COLLECTED THROUGH THE TIFF WILL NOW BE BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR THE RANGE OF PROJECT TYPES THAT ARE ENVISIONED WITHIN THE SMP.
SO IT'S JUST BROADENING THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT THE FEE CAN BE USED FOR.
I THINK WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO WHILE WE HAVEN'T YET CALCULATED THE POTENTIAL FEE FOR THE POTENTIAL FEE LEVEL FOR THE TIFF DID WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FOR THE CITY'S EXISTING IMPACT TRANSPORTATION TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE AND SORT OF WHERE YOU SIT RELATIVE TO MANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS IN NORTH SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY LINE ITEM, BUT IN GENERAL, CARLSBAD'S IMPACT FEE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE SITS AT THE LOWER END OF THE RANGE OF FEES THAT ARE BEING TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES THAT ARE BEING CHARGED BY YOUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.
ONE THING THAT'S WORTH NOTING IS THAT THE LONGER THE IT IS BETWEEN WHEN A CITY ADOPTS AN IMPACT FEE AND DOES A FULL UPDATE, THE FEE LEVEL TENDS TO DIVERGE FROM THE COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEIR COSTS CHANGE MUCH MORE RAPIDLY THAN USUALLY THE FEE IS BEING INCREASED.
SO JUST TO TALK A BIT ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MTF.
SO AGAIN, AS WE MENTIONED, IT'S GOING TO REPLACE YOUR EXISTING TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE.
IMPACT FEES, AS YOU LIKELY KNOW, ARE PAID BY NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AS WELL AS PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE A SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING PROPERTY.
IMPACT FEES CAN BE USED TO BUILD NEW FACILITIES THAT SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF NEW GROWTH.
SO AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, ONE TIME CAPITAL EXPENSES.
NEXT SLIDE. AND SO A BIT ABOUT THE FEE UPDATE PROCESS ITSELF.
SO IMPACT FEES ARE REGULATED THROUGH THE MITIGATION FEE ACT, ALSO KNOWN AS AB 1600.
AND IN ORDER FOR FEES TO CONFORM WITH THE MITIGATION FEE ACT, THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH A NEXUS STUDY PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IN THE COMING MONTHS WITH THE CITY.
AND THERE IS KIND OF, AGAIN, A LEGAL FRAMEWORK AROUND HOW THE FEE IS CALCULATED AND WHAT GOES INTO THE NEXUS STUDY TO SHOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COSTS, WHAT YOU WOULD BE CHARGING, NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THE NEED THAT THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS CREATING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
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ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE AND THE FEE LEVELS TYPICALLY BY RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.OKAY. SO NOW FOR A LITTLE BIT OF MATH.
SO THE WAY THAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE CALCULATED IS WE TAKE THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO AGAIN, PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS STUDY AND THAT GETS US TO OUR MAXIMUM FEE LEVEL.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW WORKING WITH THE CITY AND WITH FAIR AND PEERS, THE PRIME CONSULTANT ON THIS TEAM TO TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE AGAIN, NEW DEVELOPMENT ONLY HAS TO PAY ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE IMPACTS THAT IT'S HAVING ON TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT DOESN'T PAY FOR EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
ONCE WE DO THIS CALCULATION, THE FEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING IS A MAXIMUM FEE AND IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE CALCULATED PER TRIP OR PER VEHICLE. MILES TRAVELED.
AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
IT JUST REPRESENTS, AGAIN, THE MAXIMUM LEVEL THAT YOU CAN CHARGE ON NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED VERSUS TRIPS.
BUT IN GENERAL, THERE HAS BEEN A MOVE TOWARDS BASING TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES, NOT ON THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT A PARTICULAR PROJECT GENERATES, BUT ON THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.
AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS FOR IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NUANCE ON THE LOCATION OF A PROJECT.
SO A HOUSE THAT'S LOCATED NEAR TRANSIT, NEAR STORES, NEAR OFFICES IS LIKELY TO GENERATE LESS FEWER VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED THAN A HOUSE THAT'S LOCATED MORE ON THE PERIPHERY.
SO THE EXAMPLE HERE IS TWO HOUSES WHERE THERE MAY BE THE SAME NUMBER OF TRIPS COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE, BUT GIVEN THE LOCATION BRESSI RANCH VERSUS CARLSBAD VILLAGE, THOSE TRIPS WILL INVOLVE SHORTER DISTANCES BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE AMENITIES AND THE DESTINATIONS THAT DIFFERENT THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE TRAVELING TO.
SO UNDER A VMT BASED PROGRAM, HOUSE A, WHICH IS A BIT MORE ON THE PERIPHERY, WOULD PAY A HIGHER FEE THAN HOUSE B BECAUSE IT'S GENERATING MORE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AND HAVING A GREATER IMPACT ON THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KENDRA.
GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I'M WITH FARREN PIERCE, TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANTS.
SO JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SEQUA MITIGATION AND THE FEE, THE FEE, AGAIN, JUST EMPHASIZING THAT THE FEES RELATED TO FUTURE GROWTH, NOT THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S NOT A VMT MITIGATION PROGRAM FROM A SEQUEL PERSPECTIVE.
SO PROJECTS WILL PAY THE FEE REGARDLESS OF THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
BUT WE DON'T EXPECT THAT THAT REDUCTION WILL MITIGATE SEA LEVEL VMT IMPACTS.
AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE AND SUPPORT FUTURE GROWTH, NOT TO MITIGATE IMPACTS.
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TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MTIF AND FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS.FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS WILL STILL BE REQUIRED JUST AS THEY ARE TODAY BECAUSE THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE OFTEN VERY SMALL SCALE AND ON KIND OF A BLOCK LEVEL OR AN INTERSECTION LEVEL.
IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY WILL MATCH AN SMP PROJECT THAT IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH THE MTIF.
THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED THROUGH THE MTIF ARE VERY LARGE SCALE, CORRIDOR WIDE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE SUITABLE TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON A BLOCK BY BLOCK BASIS. SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING DEVELOPERS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO GET A FEE CREDIT THROUGH THEIR FRONTAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN JUST AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THE FEE IS SPENT.
SOME OF THIS YOU'VE HEARD ALREADY, BUT THE FEE WILL FUND BOTH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND THE SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN, AND IT'S ONE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE SMP.
AND THEN JUST QUICKLY WANTED TO TOUCH ON OUR OVERALL TIMELINE FOR DEVELOPING THE FEE.
AND THEN WE EXPECT TO BE READY TO SHARE PRELIMINARY FEES WITH STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING BIA AND DEVELOPER COMMUNITY EARLY NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THE DRAFT FEE WILL GO TO COUNCIL AROUND MARCH AND APRIL WITH THE FINAL FEE BEING ADOPTED IN AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR.
AND JUST FOR OUR CONCLUDING SLIDE, WE HAVE PROVIDED A FEW SUGGESTED QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE OR WHAT ARE YOUR BIGGEST CONCERNS WITH WITH THE NEW TIFF AND AND WHY? SO WE MAY NOT HAVE ANSWERS TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
BUT I THINK ONCE WE GET THE ACTUAL FEE AMOUNT AT THE NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU, I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE HARD DATA FOR YOU TO REACT TO AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT. SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF OR THE PRESENTERS? LET'S SEE. COMMISSIONER KAMENJARIN.
THANK YOU. COULD COULD WE GO BACK TO THE HORIZONTAL CHART THAT SHOWS OUR FEES IN RELATION TO OTHERS? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT.
YES, THAT'S RIGHT. IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2008.
WHY? IT JUST HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN.
I THINK WE ARE LONG OVERDUE FOR A FEE UPDATE.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING IT NOW, RIGHT.
WELL, APPARENTLY, I GUESS ACCORDING TO THE LEGISLATURE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT EVERY EIGHT YEARS, BUT THAT WASN'T ENACTED UNTIL 2021, I THINK. DO YOU KNOW? COULD YOU? I'M SHOCKED AT THE VARIANCE AND THE GAP BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE CHARGING AND WHAT OTHERS ARE CHARGING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATE ON WHAT ANY OF THESE FIGURES COULD BE? NOT YET. NOT FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.
THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT MEETING WITH YOU TO PRESENT THE DRAFT FEE AMOUNTS.
THE PROCESS, HOW IT WORKS IS WE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE TOTAL COST OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS.
ONE OF THE ONE OF THE CHARTS THAT YOU SHOWED TALKED ABOUT HORIZON YEAR.
DOES THAT RING A BELL? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
WHAT IS THAT? SO THAT WOULD BE OUR GENERAL PLAN BUILDOUT HORIZON YEAR.
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SO ARE WE TALKING TEN YEARS? 20 YEARS? 15 YEARS? IT'S 2035.IS THAT THE CURRENT BUILDOUT? YEAH. 2035 IS THE NUMBER THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE BEEN PROJECTING TOWARDS.
WHILE I'M TALKING, I'LL ALSO JUST MENTION ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WITH THE CITY'S GROWTH MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT ALL OF THE CITY'S FEES GET LOOKED AT ON A MUCH MORE REGULAR BASIS.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED INCLUDED IN OUR PROGRAM.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO DO THE HYPOTHETICAL MATH IN MY HEAD.
SO THE WAY I INTERPRET THIS IS THE LESS GROWTH WE HAVE.
THE SMALLER THE PHASE WILL BE.
CORRECT. UM, OR IT COULD BE THE LESS GROWTH, I THINK THE LARGER THE FEE WOULD BE.
JULIA. WELL, IT'S, THEY'RE BOTH SORT OF MOVING TOGETHER, SO A SMALLER, SMALLER GROWTH.
BUT IF THE, IF THE, THE COST FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS STAYS THE SAME, BUT IT'S LESS GROWTH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO END UP WITH A LARGER MAXIMUM FEE.
BUT IF BECAUSE THERE'S LESS GROWTH, WE'RE SAYING THERE'S THERE'S A LOWER NEED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO ACTUAL NEW GROWTH, THEN THEY'LL SORT OF MOVE DOWN IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
AND WHERE, IF AT ALL, DO WE FACTOR IN INFLATION IN ANY OF THIS? IT'S VERY COMMON.
I'M NOT 100% SURE ABOUT CARLSBAD, BUT IT'S VERY COMMON THAT CITIES WILL, WHEN THEY ADOPT A FEE, THEY'LL SET KIND OF THEY'LL SET AN INDEX THAT THE FEE WILL BE INCREASED BY OVER TIME UNTIL THE NEXT NEXUS STUDY IS DONE.
SO IT'S TYPICALLY CPI OR SOMETIMES CCI CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX.
THOSE ARE TWO COMMON INDEX INDICES THAT CITIES WILL SET.
AND THEN EVERY YEAR THE FEE WILL JUST GO UP BASED ON THAT INDEX.
SO THAT CPI INDEX WOULD BE A PART OF ANY AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE PART THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED PROBABLY IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD SAY THIS IS THE FEE WE'RE ADOPTING AND IT WILL GO UP BY CPI EVERY YEAR.
THANK YOU. EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE, BUT YOU PROVIDED A GOOD OVERVIEW.
FIRST QUESTION I HAVE WOULD BE FOR STAFF.
IT'S IT'S PRETTY DRAMATIC AND I'M WONDERING IF STAFF WOULD COMMENT ON THE REASON THAT WE TEND TO BE WOULD WE BE THE LOWEST? YES. IN TERMS OF APARTMENTS LOWER THAN OTHER NORTH COUNTY CITIES, IS IT A FUNCTION OF THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE MORE RECENTLY UPDATED THEIR FEES OR IS IT A QUESTION OF OUR CITY HAS MADE A DELIBERATE DECISION TO KEEP OUR FEES LOW, PERHAPS LOWER THAN NEIGHBORING CITIES.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH OF THOSE.
I MEAN, BECAUSE OUR FEE PROGRAM IS SO OLD, WE HAVE SOME CATCH UP TO DO.
ALSO, 2008, OUR CITY WAS A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS LEFT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE FACTORS WERE CONSIDERED WHEN PLACING THE FEE, JUST GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS LEFT IN 2008 IN COMPARISON TO ACTUALLY THE COST OF THE OVERALL PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE TIFF.
OKAY. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING SO DRAMATIC.
FOR EXAMPLE, SOLANA BEACH VERSUS CARLSBAD, IT'S SO DRAMATIC.
DO YOU KNOW IF SOLANA BEACH HAS RECENTLY UPDATED THEIR THEIR IMPACT FEES? BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES.
I KNOW SOLANA BEACH IS A LOT SMALLER AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE OPEN SPACE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW THAT. BUT ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? YEAH, I DO BELIEVE THEY DID RECENTLY UPDATE THE FEE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE RESEARCH.
I'M NOT 100% SURE ON THE DATES, BUT I WILL SAY ALSO, DEPENDING ON WHAT SORT OF PROJECTS THEY INCLUDED, AS YOU KNOW, IN THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE ALSO VERY MUCH DRIVING THE FEE.
SO NOT KNOWING A LOT ABOUT THEIR FEE PROGRAM, IF THEY HAD SOME VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECTS THAT THEY WERE PROJECTING THEY WOULD NEED, THAT COULD COULD BE A MAJOR DRIVER AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S A FACTOR.
AND THEN JUST THE APARTMENTS OF OVER FIVE TIMES.
SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE CLOSER.
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OKAY. AND WHILE I HAVE YOU UP THERE, MISS COOPER, ON THE FEE ITSELF, I KNOW YOU CAN'T YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEE IS GOING TO BE.I GET THAT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT IN TERMS OF PROJECTING, THINKING FORWARD, IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME SINCE WE'RE REPLACING THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE, WHICH FOCUSES ON MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND WE'RE ADDING TO THAT THE COST OF FACILITATING WALKING, BIKING AND MASS TRANSIT, THAT MY COMMON SENSE TELLS ME THIS FEE HAS GOT TO GO UP.
HOW MUCH WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUBTRACTING ANYTHING.
WE'RE STILL ACCOMMODATING VEHICLE TRAFFIC, BUT WE'RE ADDING THREE ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, I WOULD SORRY, I WOULD SAY THAT.
AND NATHAN, COULD, I THINK SPEAK MORE TO WHAT SORT OF CAR, AUTO CENTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS STILL GOING TO BE WITHIN THE NEW IMPROVEMENT PLAN? I WOULD SAY THAT THE COSTS FOR PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE AND WELL, PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE PARTICULAR IS WE DON'T FIND NECESSARILY AS EXPENSIVE AS AS AUTO CENTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE, ALTHOUGH AGAIN, IT REALLY VARIES.
TRANSIT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT ALSO TRANSIT TENDS TO WHAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER IN TERMS OF TRANSIT VERSUS WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOUR TRANSIT AUTHORITY HAS CONTROL OVER ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, YES, YOU'RE ADDING CATEGORIES, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S PROJECTS YOU HAD IN YOUR PREVIOUS CIP THAT ARE HAVE BEEN BUILT ALREADY, YOU'RE DONE WITH THEM. SO I THINK THERE'S I DO THINK IT'S LIKELY THE FEE WILL GO UP.
BUT YES, THERE WILL JUST BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS, NOT NECESSARILY JUST A LOT MORE COST BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE VEHICLE TRAFFIC. THAT'S STILL AUTOMOBILES, PRIVATE AUTOMOBILES, THAT'S STILL THE CORE.
BUT NOW WE'RE ADDING TO THAT THE OTHERS.
AND I JUST SEE IT'S GOT TO GO UP.
SO THE OTHER ISSUE I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE THE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT FUND THROUGH THIS FEE THAT ARE NOT BEING FUNDED. BICYCLES, I ASSUME, BIKE LANES AND PERHAPS MEDIANS THAT SEGREGATE THE BICYCLE TRAFFIC FROM THE MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
WOULD THAT BE AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE FACILITATED? YES. YES, EXACTLY THAT.
OKAY. BIKE LANES, BIKE TRAILS, BIKE PATHS, MULTIMODAL PROJECTS SUCH AS COMPLETING PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, COMPLETING GAPS IN OUR SIDEWALK NETWORK, ALSO IMPROVING ACCESS TO TRANSIT.
A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE RETROFITTING OUR CURRENT ROADWAYS.
THERE ARE A FEW ROADWAYS LEFT TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE CITY.
THERE ARE A FEW ROADWAYS THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY WIDENED AT LATER PHASES.
BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS WILL LIE WITHIN THE MULTIMODAL NETWORK.
SO BIKE PEDESTRIAN TRANSIT ACCESS PROJECTS.
SO OUR KETCHUP, IF YOU WILL, WILL BE IN THE OTHER AREAS.
WE'LL BE IN THE BIKE, THE WALKABILITY, THE MASS TRANSIT AREA.
YES. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? AND THAT'S A GENERAL RULE.
THOSE TEND TO BE NOT QUITE AS EXPENSIVE AS THE THE CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
YES, AS A GENERAL RULE, BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT A STRIPE AND SEGREGATE THE BICYCLISTS FROM THE CARS OR YOU CAN PUT A MEDIAN THAT THAT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS BUILDING A WHOLE NEW LANE OF TRAFFIC.
AND GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE ON HOW THE FEE WOULD BE USED TO ENHANCE WALKABILITY.
WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS WOULD YOU ENVISION FOR THAT? MR.. SCHMIDT YEAH.
WE DO HAVE GAPS IN OUR CURRENT SIDEWALK NETWORK, SO IT WOULD BE COMPLETING SIDEWALK NETWORK.
SO THOSE ARE TRAILS THAT ARE USED BY BOTH BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS.
YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS TO GET PEOPLE TO TRANSIT STOPS SAFELY.
SO THAT'S PEOPLE WALKING TO THE TRANSIT STOPS.
UM, THOSE ARE THE MAIN PROJECTS.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AN EXISTING PARK NECESSARILY BUILDING ANOTHER TRAIL IN THE PARK UNLESS THAT WAS NEEDED TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B, RIGHT? YES. TRAILS WOULD BE INCLUDED.
OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT A RECREATIONAL THING.
IT'S FOR TRANSPORTATION GETTING FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
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WELL, THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN IS INCLUDED IN IN THE SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN.SO TRAIL PROJECTS COULD BE COVERED BY THE TRANSPORTATION.
SO IT IS A TRANSPORTATION AND RECREATION.
PEOPLE GO OUT THERE AND WALK IN THE PARK TO HAVE A NICE TIME.
YES. BUT IT ALSO GETS THEM FROM POINT A TO POINT B, YES.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING JUST TO SET EXPECTATIONS.
I KNOW WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT LIKE THE COST OF DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK GENERALLY, AS NATHAN MENTIONED, IT IS KIND OF RETROFITTING THE EXISTING FACILITIES.
YOU HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF BIKE LANES THAT ARE STRIPED THROUGHOUT THE CITIES.
AND WE ARE SEEING THE COST OF THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS GO GO UP QUITE A BIT.
SO THESE ARE I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THESE ARE NECESSARILY LOW COST IMPROVEMENTS.
THANK YOU. YEAH, NOTHING FURTHER.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
SO WE HEARD ABOUT HOW THERE IS A MAXIMUM JUSTIFIABLE FEE, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT WILL BE IDENTIFIED THROUGH A NEXUS STUDY AND BROUGHT BACK TO US. IS THERE A MINIMUM JUSTIFIABLE FEE? I DON'T. YEAH, I THINK WE SET THE MINIMUM.
I THINK THAT'S THAT'S ESSENTIALLY UP TO US.
I'M NOT AWARE OF A MINIMUM. I'M NOT AWARE OF A MINIMUM.
AGAIN, THE THE MAXIMUM IS REPRESENTS YOU FULLY A FULL SORT OF MITIGATION.
AND ANYTHING YOU SET BELOW THAT, YOU'RE JUST, AS NATHAN JUST SAID, YOU'RE SORT OF LIMITING THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS OR THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT THAT YOU CAN MAKE FROM THE FEE ITSELF.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO BE SUPPLEMENTED BY OTHER SOURCES.
BUT CITIES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE IMPACT FEES.
YOU JUST HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO HAVE THEM.
OKAY. SO I MEAN, LEGALLY SPEAKING, WE COULD SET OUR FEE TO ZERO.
YOU COULD? YEAH. YOU COULD HAVE NO FEE IF YOU WANTED.
I WAS BEING TOLD IN BRIEF THAT.
SO WE HAVE TO PAY SANDAG OUR ALLOCATION THAT WE OWE THEM UNDER TRANSNET.
SO IS THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT OUR MINIMUM FEE IS, WHATEVER THAT IS? PRACTICALLY NOT LEGALLY.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO ADJUST IT TO AT LEAST MEET THE TRANSIT FEE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO PAY.
OKAY. SO IS THAT A FEE WE PAY OR COLLECT LIKE IT'S A MATCHING FEE? THAT'S TRUE. IT'S A FEE WE COLLECT.
RIGHT. SO BUT WE DON'T PAY IT TO SANDAG.
OKAY. BUT IT IT COMES FROM THIS.
LIKE WE WE BASICALLY HAVE TO SET OUR FEE HIGH ENOUGH THAT WE MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS UNDER TRANSNET.
I MEAN, THAT GIVES US A PRETTY GOOD GUIDE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES TO COMPARE TO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT HELPFUL CHART.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR FEES ARE LOWER THAN WHAT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES CHARGE, BUT.
I GUESS I'M ACTUALLY PERHAPS ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE UP HERE WHO IS NOT SURPRISED BY THAT FACT, BECAUSE WE IN CARLSBAD PRIDE OURSELVES ON HAVING A WELCOMING, POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE WHAT THESE FEES ARE AND WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEY ADD SERIOUS START UP COSTS TO NEW BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME INTO CARLSBAD AND IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY AND HIRE PEOPLE AND PROVIDE JOBS.
THEY ALSO INCREASE THE COST OF HOUSING.
I MEAN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY I CONSIDER IT TO BE A TAX ON NEW HOME OWNERS.
YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS DON'T PAY IT.
IT JUST GETS PASSED ON TO THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THE HOUSES AND THEY PAY IT.
SO, I MEAN, I WANT TO BUY A HOME IN CARLSBAD SOMEDAY.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY $10,000 IN FEES.
BUT I TRULY HAVE NO INTEREST IN SETTING OUR FEE TO BE AT THAT MAXIMUM.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD CHARGE THE MAXIMUM.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD CHARGE THE MINIMUM EITHER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PROMISED TO DO AND WE HAVE TO MEET THAT OBLIGATION.
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GRAB BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOOMING BUDGET DEFICIT COMING OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS THAT'S PROJECTED.WE SHOULD NOT LOOK TO THIS SOURCE OF REVENUE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THAT GAP.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AND PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK HERE AT THIS STAGE THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT AND WE SHOULD LOOK OTHER PLACES TO FIX OUR BUDGET DEFICIT PROBLEM AND NOT HEAR.
YEAH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.
YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER SABELLICO COMMENTS.
I HAVEN'T WRITTEN DOWN TOO, BECAUSE IT REALLY, REALLY IS A TAX ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.
EVERYTHING. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
VERY GOOD. IF YOU SAW THE LAST INCREASE WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2008.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY.
SO WHEN YOU GO BACK IN 2008 AND YOU PUT THESE THESE NUMBERS IN, WERE YOU PRETTY CLOSE TO TO WHAT YOU FORECASTED? UH, THAT'S A THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
IT'S SOMETHING I'D BE HAPPY TO GET BACK TO YOU.
I'M KIND OF. I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THIS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WANT TO SEE WHERE WE ARE? I REALLY WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THIS.
RIGHT. OR THE OR THE PARTICIPANTS.
HOW MUCH HAS BEEN ACCUMULATED DOLLAR WISE IN THE WHOLE SINCE 2008 IN IN THE IN THE PROGRAM.
YEAH. SO OKAY SO SEE THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
I MEAN, IS THIS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, LUMP LUMP OF MONEY OR.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR THAT.
YEAH. I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE BUILT OUT PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE PROJECT LIST FROM OUR CURRENT FEE PROGRAM, SO THAT THAT IS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT THIS POINT, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT I'D KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY UNITS, HOW MANY APARTMENTS WE'VE HAD IN 15 YEARS? I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST DO THE MATH IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD.
AND WHAT WHAT PROCESS IS GOING TO GO IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GO 15 YEARS WITHOUT ADDRESSING THIS? WELL, I THINK WE HAVE RECENT LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO DO THAT, TO TO UPDATE THEM.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE BEFORE.
BUT WE HAD THE LEGAL ABILITY TO UPDATE IT, DIDN'T WE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND WE DIDN'T CHOOSE TO DO THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PICK ON THIS, BUT, I MEAN, WE SHOULD HAVE A PROCESS FROM A CITY STANDPOINT WHERE FIVE YEARS OUT THERE'S A THERE'S A YOU KNOW TRIGGER.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO IT'LL NATURALLY ROLL INTO THAT AND BE BROUGHT TO THE SURFACE AT APPROPRIATE TIMES ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN I'M SURPRISED TO DEVELOPERS, WHAT ARE THEIR COMMENTS TO YOU ON THIS? YEAH, WE DID REACH OUT TO DEVELOPERS.
WE HAD AN INITIAL STAKEHOLDER MEETING ORGANIZED BY THE BIA.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY MUCH FOR MAINTAINING AS CONSERVATIVE AS A FEE AS POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISED NO DEVELOPERS HERE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONCE ONCE WE GET THE ACTUAL FEE NUMBERS, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL GET.
SO THEY KIND OF JUST GOES RIGHT BY THEM.
THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR.
I WASN'T SURE IF WE'VE SHIFTED FROM THE QUESTION TO.
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I HAD QUESTIONS TOO. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD.I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS AND GREAT PRESENTATION.
NOW WE HAVE AN EVER EXPANDING UNIVERSE OF PROJECTS AND A WHOLE DIFFERENT BUCKET OF THINGS.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE MORE COMPETITION FOR THINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF WHEREAS BEFORE IT'S JUST THE VEHICLES, BASICALLY THE ROADS, THE SIDEWALKS. NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG, YOU KNOW, BUCKET OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN OCCUR.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BY THAT BECAUSE I GUESS THE QUESTION REALLY ISN'T, WELL, WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES PAYING? WHAT IS OUR ACTUAL NEED? RIGHT. THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION THAT SHOULD BE ASKED.
RIGHT. IS MY FEAR IN ALL THIS IS IS THAT THAT PEOPLE LIKE WELL, YOU KNOW, SLAM BEACH IS CHARGING 11,007 13 PER UNIT. WE'RE ONLY CHARGING 2000.
WELL, WE NEED TO UP OUR FEES TO BE IN LINE WITH EVERYONE ELSE.
AND I THINK THERE'S A FEAR THAT WE LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT'S KIND OF IT'S KIND OF A BAD JOKE, BUT IT'S LIKE, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA NEED? WELL, 10% MORE THAN YOU CAN GIVE THEM ANY YEAR POSSIBLE.
RIGHT. NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO JUST THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO WANT MORE.
IF THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KIND OF QUANTIFY THAT.
AND SO AND I THINK I DO HAVE THE OTHER I GUESS IT WOULD BE FEAR IS THE EXPANDING SCOPE, RIGHT? IS THAT THAT LIKE, OKAY, YOU KNOW ONCE WE.
THE OTHER QUESTION YOU HAVE, TOO, THEN, IS WHO? SO YOU'VE GOT THIS EXPANDED UNIVERSE OF ALL THESE NEW PROJECTS THAT CAN COME UP.
WHO DECIDES WHICH OF THOSE IS IT? A CITY COUNCIL THING? WHO DECIDES WHERE THAT? NOW WE'VE GOT OKAY, WE'VE RAISED OUR WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS WE DO BECAUSE NOW WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT BIG UNIVERSAL ISSUES VERSUS JUST TRAFFIC. WHO DECIDES WHICH CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE GOING TO GET THE MONEY? YES. SO OF COURSE THEY ALL STEM FROM THE SNP, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BASE AND ALL THOSE LITTLE CIRCLES YOU HAD THAT ALL GO TOWARD.
A LOT OF CIRCLES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? YEAH. A LOT OF CIRCLES WHICH.
RIGHT THERE. THAT IS A LOT OF CIRCLES.
AND THESE ARE THESE ARE BIG DOCUMENTS.
ALL OF THEM COME TOGETHER IN THIS FULL SMP.
SO THAT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S OVER 300 INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.
RIGHT. AND THE THOUGHT WAS THE IMPACT FEES.
THERE WEREN'T ALL THOSE LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THERE WAS IT WAS A MORE LIMITED SCOPE OF THINGS THOSE COULD GO TO, CORRECT? YES. RIGHT. YES.
OKAY. YES. AGAIN, PRIMARILY INTERSECTION AND ROADWAY WIDENING PROJECTS.
RIGHT, SO SO THEN SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY PICK THE FEE, THEN YOU GOT THE MONEY, THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE COMPETING DIFFERENT THINGS. WHO DECIDES WHICH, WHICH, WHICH CAPITAL PROJECT GETS LIKE WHERE IT'S THE BIKE LANE OR.
WELL YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET NEW VEHICLE CHARGING TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE OR WHATEVER.
RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHO HOW DO THOSE THINGS HOW DO THOSE DECISIONS GET MADE? YEAH. SO AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING PROCESS, WE ARE LOOKING TO REPRIORITIZE THOSE PROJECTS IN THE SMP.
SO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE TOP 10% PROJECTS OR SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT PROCESS IS DONE THROUGH REVIEW WITH THE TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY COMMISSION, THROUGH REVIEW WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
YES. SO SO I THINK WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY START FROM THE TOP OF THE LIST.
WE JUST CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THE LIST THAT WAY.
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YOU KNOW, THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS OR SHOULD WE, YOU KNOW, PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A WIDER BIKE LANE HERE? SO THERE'S ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.RIGHT. SO HOW DOES THAT GET DECIDED? I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING.
YEAH, NO, NO, THERE IS THERE IS A MEANS TO PRIORITIZE IT BEYOND JUST, YOU KNOW, DISCRETIONARY.
SO WE DO YOU KNOW, FOR THE SNP, WE LOOKED AT THINGS SUCH AS PROXIMITY TO HOUSING, PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, LOCATIONS THAT WERE ALONG HIGH COLLISION CORRIDORS.
SO AREAS WITH KEY SAFETY ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WENT INTO THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS.
OKAY. AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE WILL ALSO BE KIND OF GOING THROUGH A SAME STUDY USING SPECIFIC CRITERIA TO RANK THOSE, AND IT WILL BE DOCUMENTED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
SO AND WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING, HOW DO WE WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU SAY WE? I MEAN BECAUSE THE COST OF THE THE BIGGER PICTURE IS JUST GETTING DOWN TO IS, IS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS WITHOUT SOUNDING BAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GIVE YOU KNOW, YOU RAISE THE FEES. THERE'S A POOL OF MONEY, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PROJECTS.
AND NOW PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING FOR THAT MONEY.
RIGHT. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WE, HOW THAT HOW THAT OCCURS.
I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND BAD IN THE WAY I SAY THAT, BUT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, THAT QUESTION? YEAH. YOU KNOW, ONE THING I GUESS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU REMEMBER FROM THE THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE INCREMENT THAT CAN BE CHARGED IS ONLY THE IMPACT FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
WE CAN ONLY CHARGE FOR THE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND PART OF WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE AHEAD OF TIME SO THEY KNOW WHAT THE FEE IS GOING TO BE, COST THEM OUT, AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE INCREMENT FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN THE REST OF THE MONEY HAS TO BE MADE UP FROM OTHER FUNDS.
OKAY, LIKE MAYBE THE TRANSIT MATCHING FUNDS.
SO NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT CARRY THE BURDEN AT ALL FOR THESE PROJECTS.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE THE INCREMENT FOR THE IMPACT OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND THEY'LL ALSO PROBABLY LOOK AT THE IMPACT FROM PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLES OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN THESE STUDIES WILL RELATE THAT BACK TO THE PARTICULAR PROJECTS.
IT'S MAYBE A MISNOMER TO SAY IT'S A REVENUE RAISING, IT'S JUST GETTING NEW DEVELOPMENT TO PAY FOR THE IMPACT AS IT COMES TO THE CITY BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE FAIR FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS TO PAY FOR THE IMPACT THAT COMES IN FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I GUESS I'M TO TAKE YOUR POINT, MR. KEMP. SO. EXAMPLE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP A 50 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT? OR LET'S SAY THE ONE LIKE THE APARTMENTS WE JUST RENT.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE BICYCLE MASTER PLAN.
YOU COULD DO THAT OR YOU COULD DO THE LIVABLE STREETS OR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
COULDN'T COULDN'T THERE BE SORT OF LIKE I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'D HAVE SOME I'M TRYING TO DESCRIBE THE RIGHT WAY TO PUT THAT, BUT YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IT SEEMS LIKE HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHICH NATHAN CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THIS, BUT THIS IS THE SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN.
SO THIS IS JUST WHAT THEY LOOK AT FOR WHERE TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO GO IN THE FUTURE.
RIGHT. AND THEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE IS THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM TO DEVELOP WHAT THOSE FEES COULD POTENTIALLY BE.
YEAH. IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT THE FEE IS GOING TO COVER THE ENTIRE OH NO.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DO PUT UP A PROJECT AND SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I THINK WE NEED A BICYCLE LANE.
THE IMPACT? WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
RIGHT. SO THAT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'D HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS YOU HAVE COMPETITION FOR.
DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RIGHT.
BUT BUT KEEP IN MIND, BACK IN 2015, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE NEW GENERAL PLAN, THE MOBILITY ELEMENT WAS STARTING TO GIVE EQUAL DIGNITY TO PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES.
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WALK OR THE BIKE LANES MIGHT NOT BE THERE.SO THE CITY HAS SLOWLY BEEN LOOKING AT HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THE GENERAL PLAN.
THIS IS JUST ONE PART OF THAT.
IT'S JUST TO GET THE IMPACT FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.
AND LIKE COMMISSIONER SABELLICO MIGHT HAVE POINTED TO EARLIER, THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY SAID WE COULD CHARGE MORE LIKE THE PARKING IN LIEU FEE.
IN THE VILLAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO NOT CHARGE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF THE IMPACT OF SELLING A PARKING IN LIEU FEE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THOSE ARE ALL DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE.
I THINK THE PRESENTATION HERE IS TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM YOU FOLKS AS TO WHAT YOU PERCEIVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES AND WHAT SHOULD BE FUNDED. AND I'M SURE THEY'LL TAKE THAT INPUT AND GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
BUT DON'T FORGET THAT THIS IS AN IMPACT FEE.
OKAY. IT DOES. YOU SEE THE POINT ABOUT THE EXPANSION THERE? OKAY, GOOD. I GUESS I GUESS MY MAIN POINT, COMMISSIONER, I'D LIKE TO.
YEAH, PLEASE DO TALK ON ONE OF YOUR POINTS.
SO BY THE TIME WE'RE COLLECTING THE FEE, WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
IT'S NOT DECIDED PROJECT BY PROJECT OR AT THAT TIME THAT WILL ALREADY BE DECIDED.
IT WILL GO THROUGH A PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS.
IT WILL GO THROUGH THE MOBILITY COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY DECIDE THAT PRIORITY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. MR.. YEAH, THANK YOU.
OKAY, GOOD. SO I GUESS MY MAIN COMMENT WOULD BE IS THAT ON THE ONE COMPARISON, COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT CITIES, THAT WE JUST REALLY BASED ON NEED WHILE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND THAT WAS A VERY HELPFUL COMMENT.
MR. GILBERT THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WERE THERE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER SLIPS? NOONE. NO, THERE WERE NOT.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER STINE? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER SABELLICO WAS MY ALTERNATE AND HE WAS ATTENDED A NUMBER OF MEETINGS.
THIS ISSUE DID COME UP AT THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.
I WENT THROUGH AND KIND OF LOOKED AT MY NOTES TO TRY TO REFRESH MY MEMORY.
WHILE THIS GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE HAD A NUMBER OF VERY CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES IN WHICH THE COMMITTEE SPLIT ON WHERE THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS AT ALL, WAS HOTLY CONTESTED.
THE COMMISSION SEEMED TO FEEL PRETTY CLEARLY THAT THE IDEA OF MULTIMODAL GOING FROM JUST A FOCUS ON VEHICLES TO INCLUDING IN THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BIKING AND WALKING WAS A GOOD THING.
AND THERE WAS REALLY NOT CONTROVERSY ON THAT.
AND TO ME, THIS IS MOTHERHOOD AND APPLE PIE.
OF COURSE, WE WANT TO PROMOTE BIKE BIKING, SAFE BIKE TRAILS.
WE WANT TO PROMOTE WALKING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
AND IN FACT, I HAVE A COPY OF OUR COMMUNITY VISION ON THIS CARLSBAD COMMUNITY VISION AND WHERE THOUSANDS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WEIGHED IN AND WALKING, BIKING, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND CONNECTIVITY IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE IS BROAD CONSENSUS THAT WE NEED TO PROMOTE THESE THINGS TO MINIMIZE VEHICLE CONGESTION.
IF, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ON EL CAMINO REAL ON 5:00 ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, IT CAN BE PRETTY CONGESTED, SOMEWHAT OF A NIGHTMARE TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, BIKING AND WALKING ARE HEALTHY ACTIVITIES AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM.
SO GOING FROM A FOCUS ON VEHICLES TO A BROADER FOCUS, NOT NOT FORGETTING ABOUT VEHICLE IMPACTS, BUT LOOKING AT THE OTHERS IS A GOOD THING. AND I SUPPORT THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, WHICH I WAS A MEMBER.
WE AGREED ON THAT AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, THE DEVIL IS GOING TO BE TELLING US WHERE WE REALLY HAVE TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT WHEN THERE IS A PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THE IMPACTS OF THOSE OF THIS FEE ON THOSE PROJECTS.
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FEEDBACK FROM THE DEVELOPER STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS, THEIR CONCERNS, AND I HIGHLIGHTED TWO OF THOSE BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE VERY GOOD COMMENTS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR EVERYBODY.THE FIRST BULLET POINT THERE WAS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS ASKED TO CONSIDER HOW THE FEE COULD BE REDUCED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN ORDER TO AVOID DISCOURAGING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CARLSBAD.
I'M NOT DOING THE BIDDING OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE FOR THAT.
YES, WE SET ASIDE CERTAIN UNITS AT BELOW MARKET RATES.
GOOD THING WE'VE GOT THAT BUILT INTO OUR SYSTEM.
BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, THE NATURAL TENDENCY I THINK OF A DEVELOPER APPLICANT IS TO PASS THOSE SINCE THEY HAVE TO SELL SOME UNITS BELOW MARKET IS TO PASS THOSE EXTRA COSTS INTO THE OTHER UNITS.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE THE OTHER UNITS, THE MARKET RATE UNITS EVEN EVEN HIGHER PRICED.
SO WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT WHEN WE CONSIDER SETTING FEES AS TO THE IMPACTS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT'S A BIG CRISIS HERE IN THE STATE AND IN OUR CITY.
ARE WE GOING TO BE INCREASING THOSE RATES SUBSTANTIALLY SO THAT A PERSON WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUY THAT UNIT BEFORE RENT, THAT UNIT BEFORE, IS NOW GOING TO BE CHALLENGED BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA COST? THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
I'M KIND OF INCLINED TO THINK AS ONE COMMISSIONER, THAT WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT HAVING DIFFERENT FEES FOR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE ARE SO DIFFERENT. PERHAPS USE QUADRANTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ENTIRELY.
SO HAVING SOME MAYBE WE USE, AS I SAY, MAYBE WE USE OUR CORE.
OUR VILLAGE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAME AREA IN TERMS OF CHALLENGES FOR TRANSPORTATION AS IN AREAS THAT ARE HIGH END SUBURBAN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY BUILT OUT.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF SETTING THE FEE.
WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY NUMBERS TONIGHT.
I KNOW THAT COMES ALONG THE PATHWAY, BUT I LIKE COMMISSIONER SABELLICO COMMENTS ABOUT CONSIDERING CHARGING OR SETTING THE FEE AT BELOW THE MAX BELOW THE MAX.
NOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOT TO BE ENOUGH TO COVER THE SANDAG IMPOSED FEES, BUT I THINK HIS COMMENTS ABOUT SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING SETTING IT BELOW WHAT WE COULD SET IT AT IN TERMS OF OVERALL MAKES SOME SENSE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T SET THE FEE SO HIGH THAT WE MAKE OUR AFFORDABILITY CRISIS EVEN MORE OF A CRISIS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YEAH. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER SABELLICO.
THE IDEA TO PERHAPS CHARGE A LOWER FEE OR GIVE SOME KIND OF CREDIT TOWARDS THE FEE FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS. YOU KNOW, THE VERY LOW INCOME OR THE LOW INCOME.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA.
I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF SIMILAR TO DENSITY BONUS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE THAT WE DO AT THE STATE LEVEL.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. OKAY? YEAH. WE DON'T NEED AN ACTION.
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SO THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT.YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK.
THAT'S AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
YEAH. YOU ALL DID A GREAT JOB ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
OKAY. SO THAT ENDS ITEM NUMBER THREE.
LET'S SEE. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC PORTION OF TONIGHT'S HEARING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
[PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS]
UH, COMMISSIONER STINE. YEAH.JUST BRIEFLY, I WANT TO MAKE AN OFFER, A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON SOMETHING.
BELLINGHAM, WASHINGTON IS A CITY OF ABOUT 93,000 PEOPLE.
AND WHILE I WAS THERE, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A CANDIDATES DEBATE UP THERE WHERE THEY HAD THE TWO CANDIDATES FOR MAYOR, ONE INCUMBENT AND ONE CHALLENGER. AND THEN THEY HAD THEY A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES FOR THE VARIOUS WE WOULD CALL THEM DISTRICTS, THEY CALL THEM WARDS THERE THAT WERE GOING.
AND WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION IS THERE THIS IS A VERY DESIRABLE COMMUNITY, MUCH AS CARLSBAD PRICE OF HOMES IS NOT AS HIGH AS CARLSBAD, BUT PEOPLE GO TO COLLEGE.
THERE'S A BIG UNIVERSITY THERE AND A LOT OF THOSE COLLEGE STUDENTS WANT TO STAY IN BELLINGHAM.
BUT THEY DEAL WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES, THEY DEAL WITH ADUS, THEY DEAL WITH HOMELESS ISSUES.
IT'S IN OTHER PARTICULARLY HIGHLY DESIRABLE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE.
THEY'RE FACING THESE CHALLENGES AND TRYING TO DEAL WITH THEM.
THEY HAVE A PROJECT CALLED TINY HOUSES, OKAY.
AND THESE HOUSES ARE EIGHT FOOT BY 12 FOOT.
AND THEY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A HOMELESS PERSON AND SAY, HERE IT IS, GOOD LUCK.
THERE ARE RULES AND REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT'S ONE WAY AND THEY'RE VERY SMALL.
EIGHT BY 12 IS A SMALL HOUSE THAT GIVE THEM SOME OPPORTUNITY AS A BRIDGE FROM BEING ON THE STREETS.
AND THEY'RE IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE, PARTICULARLY IN THE WINTER.
SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE INNOVATIVE IDEA.
AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE WITH YOU THAT IT ISN'T JUST HERE.
IT'S IT'S MANY, MANY AREAS, PARTICULARLY AREAS THAT ARE CONSIDERED HIGHLY DESIRABLE TO LIVE.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM OUR CITY PLANNER?
[CITY PLANNER REPORT]
SURE. JUST BRIEFLY, THE CITY COUNCIL AT ITS MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 26TH APPROVED ALL OF THE PERMITS FOR THE EL CAMINO REAL PROJECT FROM SUNNY CREEK TO JACKS BAR THAT WAS HEARD A FEW MONTHS AGO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING NEXT IS THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONING PROGRAM.
AND SO THAT WILL BE ONE OF OUR LARGER PACKAGES AND IT'S THE ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR THE FIRST, BUT WE ARE HOLDING THAT IN CASE THERE'S TOO MUCH MATERIAL AND CONTENT AND TESTIMONY TO GO THROUGH ON THE 18TH, A POTENTIAL CONTINUANCE TO THAT DATE.
OKAY. MR. KEMP, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US TONIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN TONIGHT'S MEETING.
THANK YOU. YEAH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.