Feb 13, 2024 City Council Meeting

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IT'S 5:00. I'M CALLING TONIGHT'S MEETING TO ORDER.

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CALL]. ALL FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS SERVING AS THE CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL AND THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

NEXT IS THE PLEDGE.

TOM, WOULD YOU STAND UP AT THE PODIUM AND LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? OH, WELL. THANK YOU.

AND WHERE IS OUR FLAG TODAY? THERE. RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

. NEXT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD FEBRUARY

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MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS RECITED BY THE MAYOR.

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

I RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 6TH.

MR. MAYOR, I WASN'T HERE NOTED.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LUNAS.

COMMENTS. NEXT IS.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

I HAVE TO READ THE FOLLOWING.

THE BROWN ACT AND THE CITY'S MEETING RULES ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS ARE REGARDING MATTERS WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ALSO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS, AS LONG AS COMMENTS RELATE TO THE QUESTION OR MATTER UNDER CONSIDERATION.

INFORMATION ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING IS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES.

AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

NO ACTION MAY OCCUR ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. WHEN MAKING YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.

WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH THE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY, AND THAT THIS CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED.

THE CLERK WILL CALL YOUR NAME.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

COME TO THE PODIUM AT THE 2.5 MINUTE MARK.

THE LIGHT WILL CHANGE TO YELLOW, TELLING YOU HAVE 30S LEFT.

I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE AT THE END OF THE THREE MINUTES, SO THAT WAY EVERYBODY GETS EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEN THAT THAT IT'S FAIR.

NOW WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION.

IS TOM GOING TO GO FIRST UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. OKAY.

PLEASE CALL THE SPEAKERS.

TOM HERSANT.

THIS ON THAT SIDE THERE.

ALL RIGHT. I'M REPRESENTING YOUR CARLSBAD SISTER CITY AMBASSADORS, AND LAST YEAR IN 2023, WE COMMEMORATED 35 YEARS OF OUR SISTER CITY RELATIONSHIP WITH FUTTSU IN JAPAN.

AMONGST THE FESTIVITIES, WE HAD A GROUP OF OUR STUDENTS WHO WENT THERE.

THEY SLEPT IN ON THE FLOORS AND THE FAMILIES.

THEY ATE THE FOOD. THEY MET THE KIDS WENT TO THE SCHOOLS, AND THEN IN AUGUST, THEY SENT A DELEGATION OF STUDENTS HERE.

AND AMONGST THE THINGS THAT WE DID, BESIDES ALSO GIVING THEM HOMESTAYS AND A MARVELOUS FESTIVE RECEPTION IN WHICH OUR MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL, REPRESENTED THE CITY SO BEAUTIFULLY WITH A NICE DECORATION.

THEN IT WAS TOPPED OFF THE NEXT DAY WHEN LEGOLAND OPENED ITS DOORS FOR FREE TO ALL OF THE STUDENTS TO ASSEMBLE.

THIS LED BY CARLSBAD'S OWN LEAD BRICKLAYER, OUR MAYOR.

SO, WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

OH, AND BY THE WAY, ONE OTHER THING FOR WE'LL BE STARTING PROBABLY LATER THIS WEEK.

WE'LL POST THE NEXT THIS SUMMER'S NEXT VISIT TO FUTTSU FOR STUDENTS FROM CARLSBAD HIGH SCHOOL, SAGE CREEK, MANY OF THEM HAVE GONE, WILL BE POSTING THE DATES AND OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO REGISTER FOR THAT ON OUR WEBSITE.

CARLSBAD AMBASSADORS.COM.

SO, IN THIS CASE, THIS BEAUTIFUL CONSTRUCTION, TWO OF THE KIDS WHO CONTRIBUTED, ALONG WITH OUR SENIOR KID WHO WAS THEIR MAYOR, I SAY THAT

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HE'S ONE OF OUR STRONGEST SUPPORTERS.

AND SO, WE'RE SO HAPPY TO HAVE THE SUPPORT WE'VE HAD.

SO, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION, PLEASE, TO THE CITY.

AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR SUPPORTING US.

THANK YOU. AND I'M GOING TO INVITE THE, THE KIDS AND THE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES FROM SISTER CITIES AND THE COUNCIL TO COME UP FRONT AND TAKE A PICTURE WITH THE COOL LEGO PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT.

LOOK.

IT SHOULD BE.

OH MY GOSH, THIS IS COOL.

MY BOY IS.

AND YOU DID THAT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO I WANT YOU TO GO.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GO A LITTLE BIT CLOSE.

SO WHY DON'T WE TAKE THIS AND PUT IT DOWN.

AND THEN YOU GUYS STAND BEHIND IT.

SO, EVERYBODY OH MY GOODNESS THAT'S.

SUBSTANCE. YOU GUYS KIND OF SQUEEZE IN SO EVERYBODY GETS.

GOTTA HAVE. YEAH.

WOW. THANK YOU. WOW, IT'S REALLY COOL.

IT'S ON THE CALENDAR. ALL RIGHT.

SO, THESE ARE TWO THIRD GRADERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO SEE YOU.

OH, COOL.

SO, YOU'RE GOING TO COME TO CITY STUFF CLASS? OH, BOY. WHAT? WHAT DATE? DO YOU KNOW? OH, YEAH.

YOU GOT IT.

DO YOU WANT TO FILL IN FOR ME? THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

REMEMBER, I'VE GOT TO BE AT THE OAKS ONE.

CHRISTIAN PEACOCK'S.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

I'M HERE BECAUSE I WAS AT THE JANUARY 30TH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND I WAS JUST THERE FOR KIND OF GENERAL INTEREST, AND THIS THING POPPED UP WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONING PROGRAM, AND THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WORK AND DISCUSSION THAT WENT INTO IT.

YOU KNOW, PROVING I THINK IT WAS 15 OR 16 OF THE PROPOSED 18 SITES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF THE SITES WERE REMOVED.

ONE WAS SITE EIGHT BECAUSE OF SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON SIMULTANEOUSLY THAT WEREN'T TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

MY CONCERN IS WITH SITES TEN AND 11.

I'M NOT SURE IF I MENTIONED I LIVE IN BRESSI RANCH FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS AND WAS NEVER MADE AWARE OR WASN'T AWARE OF THE PROPOSED SITES, AND THEY ARE BOTH WITHIN A THIRD OF A MILE OF EACH OTHER, AND IN BETWEEN IS KENSINGTON SQUARE.

AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, THERE'S, A SPROUTS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE KENSINGTON TOWNHOMES THAT WERE JUST BUILT IN 2020 OR 2021. SO, MY CONCERN IS, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT ANY, ANY STUDIES WOULD HAVE INCLUDED KENSINGTON.

AND IF THE STUDIES MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT BOTH SITES TEN AND 11 WOULD BE APPROVED SIMULTANEOUSLY AND BOTH GO ONLINE IN ADDITION TO KENSINGTON.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS, AROUND THE CONGESTION IN THAT AREA.

I MEAN, FARRADAY'S REALLY THE ONLY INLET TO ALL OF THE SHOPPING THERE AND THE, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

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AND SO, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING'S BEEN PROPOSED YET, BUT I KNOW THAT SOMETHING MUST BE IN THE WORKS.

SO, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.

THANK YOU. SIR, I'M GOING TO REFER YOU TO JEFF MURPHY.

HE'S STANDING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM WAVING HIS HAND.

WILL YOU PLEASE TALK TO HIM SO YOU CAN GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION YOU NEED? THANKS. THANK YOU.

CHRIS WRIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MAYOR.

USUALLY, I COME PREPARED TO THESE THINGS WITH A LOT OF WRITTEN, LANGUAGE HERE, BUT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO SPEAK FROM THE HEART.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND THE WONDERFUL JOB THAT OUR PLANNER, OUR SENIOR PLANNER, SCOTT DONALD, DID IN THE ACTUAL WORK THAT IS INVOLVED.

AND THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT HE DID WAS PHENOMENAL.

AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH AND STUDIED OTHER, HOUSING ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE.

AND, FOR EXAMPLE, MARSHA AKERS WAS NEVER MADE TO THE PUBLIC BACK IN THE DAY.

AND THAT'S THE ONE I REALLY STUDIED.

BUT THIS TIME THE OUTREACH WAS SO PHENOMENAL, AND HE DID SUCH A GOOD JOB.

AND I KNOW IT'S SUCH A HARD, HARD THING TO DO THAT I HOPE THERE IS SOME WAY TO RECOGNIZE HIM FOR THE WORK HE DID ON THIS, ON THIS, HUGE PROJECT, IN GETTING OUR HOUSING ELEMENT DONE AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, I WANTED TO MAKE THIS ALL PUBLIC BECAUSE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE A A HOUSING ELEMENT AS MUCH AS SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HIGH DENSITIES IN THEIR OWN PARTICULAR BACKYARDS, WHICH I'M ONE OF THOSE.

BUT, THE FACT THAT HE, HE OPENED THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC, AND, AND WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION INVOLVED.

I'M JUST I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE HIM FOR SUCH A GREAT JOB THAT HE DID.

AND I HOPE THE COUNCIL RECOGNIZES HIM AS WELL.

BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A HOUSING ELEMENT, THE DEVELOPER CAN REALLY COME IN AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, AND WE WOULDN'T LIKE THAT.

SO, THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

THERE ARE NO MORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

NEXT IS CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS NUMBER ONE THROUGH SIX.

[CONSENT CALENDAR:]

ACTUALLY, THE ONES I NEED TO ADDRESS ARE ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND NUMBER SIX.

SO, ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE COUNCIL WAS BEING ASKED TO TAKE THREE ACTIONS.

THE FIRST TWO WERE TO ADOPT OR TO ADOPT RESOLUTIONS, APPROVING PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.

THE THIRD REQUEST WAS FOR THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTIVE MANAGER OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT TO EXECUTE A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH NCTD. THAT THIRD ITEM DOES REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LEGAL REVIEW, AND SO THAT ITEM WOULD BE RETURNED TO STAFF.

AND SO TONIGHT, AS PART OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WE'RE ONLY ASKING THE COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION ON THE FIRST TWO, THE ADOPTIONS OF PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS.

AND THEN THIS THE LAST CHANGE FOR ITEM SIX.

THIS IS JUST A CLERICAL CHANGE.

BOTH THE STAFF REPORT AND THE RESOLUTION REFER TO THE SIZE OF THE PIPE THAT IS BEING CHANGED OUT AS BEING AN 18-INCH PIPE, AND THE ACTUAL SIZE IS A 24-INCH PIPE, AND THAT WILL BE CORRECTED IN THE RESOLUTION IF THE COUNCIL ADOPTS IT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? YES. CHRISTIAN.

PEACOCKS. SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

HI AGAIN. I JUST WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH DYETT AND BHATIA.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE DONE SIMILAR WORK FOR US IN THE PAST.

AND, IT MIGHT BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT I FIGURE IF I DON'T ASK, THEN I'M NOT GOING TO KNOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, 350,000 IS PRETTY SIZABLE NUMBER TO ME.

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THE ONE THING THAT DID CONCERN ME A BIT WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN ON PAGE 48 OF TONIGHT'S DETAIL AGENDA.

THERE WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST NOTED SPECIFICALLY WITH RAJEEV BHATIA, WHO HAD FILED A CONFLICT-OF-INTEREST STATEMENT.

SO, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, VERY MINOR, BUT IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY HAVE PROPERTY INVESTMENTS.

AND NOW WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A PLAN ABOUT OUR HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

SO, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. MR. MURPHY, WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS? YEAH. ON SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR THE ANSWERS IF YOU'RE PREPARED FOR IT.

GOOD EVENING.

JEFF MURPHY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

SO, REGARDING THE CONTRACT, SO THE CONTRACT IS BEING IS ACTUALLY COVERING A SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. IT'S NOT JUST ONE PROGRAM.

THERE ARE UPWARDS OF FOUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT THAT THE CONSULTANT IS GOING TO ASSIST US IN DEVELOPING, TASKS AND ACTIONS, ACTION ITEMS RELATED TO THOSE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

REGARDING THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFICS IS, BUT IT IS GOING TO LIMIT THAT INDIVIDUAL'S ABILITY TO INVOLVEMENT INTO THE CONTRACT.

IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE OF THE OF THE CONTRACT.

AND THEN ALSO REGARDING THE COMMENT OR CONCERN REGARDING OUR, THE COST BENEFIT THAT WE DID GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, THERE WERE APPLICANTS THAT WENT THROUGH, WE WERE REVIEWED THOSE, AND THIS WAS A CONSULTANT THAT, THAT WAS SELECTED ABOVE ALL THE OTHERS BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR COST.

MAYOR, MAY I ADD TO THE CONFLICT-OF-INTEREST COMMENT? SURE. OUR CONTRACTS REQUIRE CERTAIN CONTRACTORS TO BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME FILING REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU ALL ARE REQUIRED WHERE THEY HAVE TO FILE FORM 700.

SO, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE CONTRACT IS NOT IDENTIFYING A CONFLICT.

IT IS IDENTIFYING THIS PERSON AS A AS SOMEONE WHO HAS TO FILE A FORM 700.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU.

JEFF. LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE INPUT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

YES. MOVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX.

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

[7. HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM 3.5 OBJECTIVE (A): UPDATE THE CITY’S MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM]

ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE MISS MILLS IS GOING TO HAVE A SLIDE WITH THE.

THERE IS A CHANGE THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE.

AND I BELIEVE MISS MILLS IS GOING TO HAVE A SLIDE SHOWING THE CHANGED LANGUAGE.

SIR. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS THE HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM 3.5 OBJECTIVE, A UPDATE ON THE CITY'S MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.

MAKING. OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR, MANDY MILLS, ALONG WITH OUR PROGRAM MANAGER, ERIN PEEK.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS THE HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM.

ON ITEM IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT, WHICH IS UPDATING THE MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.

AND WITH ME PRESENTING TONIGHT IS AARON PEEK, PROGRAM MANAGER AND HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES.

SO, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ERIN, TO MISS PEEK TO TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

GOOD EVENING. IN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, I'LL START WITH A SHORT BACKGROUND ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT, REVIEW THE CITY'S MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, AND THEN SHARE OUR RECOMMENDED UPDATES TO THE PROGRAM.

THE CITY'S CURRENT ELEMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IN 2021, WHICH IS FOR YEARS 2021-2029. THE HOUSING ELEMENT PROVIDES AN OUTLINE OF HOW THE CITY WILL MEET ITS ANTICIPATED HOUSING NEEDS THROUGH A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS AND OBJECTIVES.

ONE SUCH PROGRAM IS 3.5 REHABILITATION OF OWNER-OCCUPIED HOUSING, WHICH STATES THAT THE MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM WILL BE UPDATED TO EXPAND ELIGIBLE COSTS AND INCREASE MAXIMUM LOAN LIMIT AMOUNTS.

THE QUANTIFIED OBJECTIVE WAS TO ASSIST UP TO FIVE LOW-INCOME HOUSEHOLDS PER YEAR WITH HOME IMPROVEMENT LOANS OVER THE PLANNING PERIOD.

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THE CITY OF CARLSBAD'S CURRENT MINOR HOME LOAN REPAIR PROGRAM PROVIDES LOANS TO LOWER INCOME OWNERS OF SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS WITH THE FOLLOWING GOALS.

MAINTAIN SAFE HOMES AND ATTRACTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS.

PRESERVE AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE HOUSING STOCK.

ASSIST LOW-INCOME SENIORS TO AGE IN PLACE OR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOME AND IN ENHANCE THE SECURITY OF THE HOME THROUGH THE AWARDING OF LOANS. THE PROGRAM PROVIDES FORGIVABLE LOANS UP TO $5,000 TO LOW-INCOME HOMEOWNERS OF ELIGIBLE HOME REPAIRS.

THE LOAN IS PROVIDED AT 0% INTEREST AND FORGIVABLE AFTER FIVE YEARS OF OCCUPANCY.

ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND MOBILE HOMES IN WHICH THE LAND IS ALSO OWNED, AND ELIGIBLE.

REPAIRS INCLUDING BASIC PLUMBING, CARPENTRY, ELECTRICAL AND ACCESSIBILITY.

SINCE 2008, 13 HOMEOWNERS HAVE BEEN ASSISTED.

THIS PROGRAM HAS NOT BEEN REVISED IN OVER 15 YEARS, ALTHOUGH 13 HOMEOWNERS HAVE RECEIVED LOANS SINCE 2008, ONLY TWO LOANS HAVE BEEN ISSUED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

ANALYSIS OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM SHOWS THE MAXIMUM DOLLAR AMOUNT MAY LIMIT THE VIABILITY OF THIS PROGRAM.

THE COST FOR HOME IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT INCREASES SINCE THE PROGRAM'S INCEPTION.

NORMALLY, INFLATION CAN INCREASE CONSTRUCTION COSTS BY ABOUT 3 TO 7% ANNUALLY.

THE US BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS REPORTS CONSTRUCTION COST INCREASES FOR BOTH LABOR AND MATERIALS HAVE GONE UP BY DOUBLE DIGIT PERCENTAGES EACH YEAR SINCE 2019. BASED ON THE INCREASE IN LABOR AND MATERIAL COSTS SINCE 2008, THE CURRENT LOAN LIMIT OF $5,000 IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO COVER MOST IMPROVEMENTS. ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN CALLS FOR THE PROMOTION OF INCREASED ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN HOMES.

ADDING TO THIS LIST OF ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES BENEFITS THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS UTILITY COSTS FOR LOW-INCOME HOMEOWNERS.

STAFF RESEARCHED SIMILAR PROJECTS AMONG LOCAL JURISDICTIONS.

IN THE REGION AND HAVE MADE THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

STAFF PROPOSED THE MAXIMUM LOAN TO BE INCREASED TO 25,000, WITH A 3% SIMPLE INTEREST DUE AND PAYABLE UPON SALE, TRANSFER OR DEFAULT. FOR MOBILE HOMES IN WHICH THE LAND IS ALSO OWNED, STAFF PROPOSED TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM LOAN TO $10,000 WITH 0% INTEREST DUE AND PAYABLE UPON SALE, TRANSFER OR DEFAULT.

AN ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CHANGE IS THE INCLUSION OF THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY REPAIRS, WHICH IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH ANOTHER HOUSING ELEMENT PROGRAM 1.10.

STAFF PRESENTED ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION COMMITTEE, AND THEY RECOMMENDED INCLUDING APPLICANT PRIORITY FOR SENIORS, VETERANS AND OR DISABLED RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU, MISS PEAKE.

AND IN ORDER TO, ON THE LAST NOTE, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A PRIORITY FOR SENIORS, VETERANS AND OR DISABLED RESIDENTS, WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

SO, TO INCLUDE IN ORDER TO INCLUDE THIS PRIORITY, WE WOULD BE ADDING A NEW RECITAL TO THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT. THERE IS A, THAT THE SENIOR HOUSEHOLDS, VETERAN HOUSEHOLDS AND DISABLED HOUSEHOLDS ARE AT A GREATER RISK FROM DISPLACEMENT BASED ON THESE INCREASED PRICES.

AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO BE ADDING A CLAUSE WITHIN THE MANUAL THAT'S AN ATTACHMENT TO YOUR RESOLUTION THAT YOU'D BE APPROVING.

AND WHEN IN ORDER TO OFFER A PRIORITY OR PREFERENCE FOR THIS POPULATION, WE WOULD BE ADDING THE PHRASE TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE ITEMS THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO WITH THAT SAID, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FROM STAFF IS TO ADOPT A AMENDED RESOLUTION APPROVING THE UPDATES TO THE CITY'S MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, WITH THE AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE NEW RECITAL AND ADDING THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW TO THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT OF THE MINOR HOME REPAIR MANUAL ON PAGE THREE OF THE ATTACHMENT, AND AUTHORIZE THE USE OF UP TO $100,000 OF HOUSING TRUST FUNDS FOR THE PROGRAM ANNUALLY. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? NO QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION ON ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES THAT SAID THIS IS A FORGIVABLE LOAN.

AND THEN AT THE END IT SAYS IT'S PAYABLE ON LIKE THE SALE OF THE HOME.

EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE TO ME PLEASE.

SO, THE CURRENT PROGRAM IS A FORGIVABLE LOAN, AND WE ARE MAKING THE RECOMMENDED CHANGE THAT IT'S PAYABLE UPON SALE OR VACANCY OR TRANSFER.

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WITH AFTER THAT QUESTIONING, DID THAT PROVOKE ANY QUESTIONS, MISS ACOSTA? COMMENT I HAD SHARED WITH MISS MILLS EARLIER THAT I.

I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE UPDATING THIS PROGRAM.

I DO THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING INFLATION.

THEY KNOW THAT COST OF HOME REPAIR HAS INCREASED.

AND I DO THINK WITH THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND MORE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT HOW PEOPLE CAN APPLY FOR THESE LOANS AND WHAT THE REPAYMENT TERMS ARE. SO, I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER STATEMENTS? COMMENTS? MOTION, PLEASE.

MOVE. ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION AND AGENDA ITEM SEVEN SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CLARIFICATION.

THAT WAS WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

YEAH. NEXT IS ITEM EIGHT.

[8. MCCLELLAN-PALOMAR AIRPORT – NOISE ABATEMENT ADVISORY LETTERS FOLLOW-UP]

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS THE MCCLELLAN-PALOMAR AIRPORT NOISE ABATEMENT ADVISORY LETTERS.

FOLLOW UP AND MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR, JASON HABER.

JASON. THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M JASON HABER, THE CITY'S INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR.

THIS ITEM IS TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON EFFORTS TO ADDRESS NOISE COMPLAINTS ABOUT FLIGHTS IN AND OUT OF PALOMAR AIRPORT AND DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO REQUEST AN FAA COMMUNITY ROUNDTABLE TO RESOLVE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE COUNTY'S RECOMMENDED FLIGHT PROCEDURES AND FAA FLIGHT CONTROL PRACTICES.

ON DECEMBER 5TH, STAFF BROUGHT FORWARD AN ITEM, A RESOLUTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AUTHORIZING LETTERS TO PILOTS THAT OPERATE DURING THE VOLUNTARY QUIET HOURS AT PALOMAR AIRPORT.

THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AT THAT TIME WAS FOR STAFF TO GO AND RESEARCH AND REPORT BACK ON THE FEASIBILITY OF ISSUING ADVISORY LETTERS TO PILOTS WHO DEVIATE FROM OTHER ASPECTS OF THE VOLUNTARY NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM, PARTICULARLY THE FLIGHT PATTERNS OUTLINED IN THAT IN AND PROCEDURES OUTLINED IN THAT PROGRAM FOR MCCLELLAN-PALOMAR AIRPORT. THIS IS THE PILOT HANDOUT GENERATED BY MCCLELLAN-PALOMAR AIRPORT, AND IT DESCRIBES THE VOLUNTARY NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES FOR THE AIRPORT.

WE'LL SEE IF THIS SHOWS UP.

RIGHT HERE IN THE DARK BLACK YOU SEE THE RUNWAY? THE AREAS IN YELLOW INDICATE NOISE SENSITIVE AREAS AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

THE BLUE ARROWS SHOW DEPARTURE TRACKS.

RED ARROWS SHOW ARRIVAL TRACKS.

AND THEN THIS GREEN RECTANGLE THAT YOU SEE AROUND THE AIRPORT DEMONSTRATES THE, TOUCH AND GO PATTERN.

ONE OF THE NOTABLE, DIRECTIVES ON THIS, RECOMMENDED PROCEDURES IS THAT JETS ARE TO DEPART ON A 250 DEGREE TRACK OUT OF THE AIRPORT, AND ONE CONCERN IS THAT THAT 250 DEGREE TRACK KEEPS, FLIGHTS TRACKING TO THE NORTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT, AND THE IDEA BEING THAT THEY GO A MILE OFF THE COAST BEFORE MAKING ONE OF THEIR TURNS.

THAT HELPS AVOID MANY OF THE NOISE SENSITIVE AREAS SURROUNDING THE AIRPORT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE FAA'S GUIDANCE AND PUBLISHED GUIDANCE ON OPERATIONS COMING OUT OF PALOMAR AIRPORT, PARTICULARLY FOR INSTRUMENT FLIGHT RULES, INDICATE THAT PILOTS SHOULD TAKE OFF AT A 245-DEGREE TRACK, NOT THE 250-DEGREE TRACK CONSISTENT WITH THE NAP.

AND THAT PUTS THEM FURTHER SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD.

SO, IN RESEARCHING COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE, WE DID CONTACT STAFF, CONTACTED SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES AT COUNTY AIRPORTS AS WELL AS FEDERAL AGENCIES AT THE FAA, THE REGIONAL ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE, AND THE FLIGHT STANDARDS DISTRICT OFFICE.

AND WERE DETERMINED THAT NONE OF THOSE AGENCIES MAINTAIN THE TYPE OF DATA THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGULARLY SEND THE TYPES OF LETTERS THAT COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN.

ONE TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US IS PROVIDED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.

IT'S CALLED WEB TRACK.

THIS IS A SCREENSHOT FROM THAT, AND IT GENERALLY SHOWS ALL OF THE FLIGHT ACTIVITY OCCURRING AT A GIVEN TIME AROUND THE AIRPORT.

AND I'VE INCLUDED THE WEBSITE THERE IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT.

ONE PROBLEM WITH THAT, AND AS DEPICTED BY THIS SLIDE, IS THAT THIS IS A DEPICTION OF TWO WEEKS OF OVERFLIGHT ACTIVITY AROUND PALOMAR AIRPORT.

SO, THE RED ARROW INDICATES THE RUNWAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE FLIGHTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT WOULD BE OFF THE COAST, COULD BE OCCURRING AT 10,000FT.

BUT THIS IS STILL DEMONSTRATIVE OF THE IDEA THAT PALOMAR AIRPORT SEES ROUGHLY 10 TO 12,000 TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS OPERATIONS PER

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ONE OPTION THAT DID COME UP IN CONVERSATIONS WITH AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES IS THAT THE FAA OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITIES TO ENGAGE IN A COMMUNITY ROUNDTABLE PROCESS.

IT'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE CONVENED AT THE AIRPORT OPERATORS REQUEST.

THAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO OR PALOMAR AIRPORT.

AND IT'S A PROCESS THAT IS USED TO ENGAGE A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS.

SO, IN THIS CASE, THAT WOULD INCLUDE PILOTS, TENANTS AT THE AIRPORT, AS WELL AS RESIDENTS AND OTHER AIRPORT USERS INTERESTED OR AFFECTED BY THOSE ACTIVITIES. THEY CAN BE CONVENED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS REGARDING AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS, AND IN THIS CASE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND PURSUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO CONVENE A ROUNDTABLE, GET THE FAA TO CONVENE A ROUNDTABLE WITH THE GOAL OF RECONCILING DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE VNAP RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE FAA'S FLIGHT CONTROL PRACTICES.

WITH THAT, I'M BRINGING BACK UP THE PROPOSED ACTION FOR TONIGHT.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU HAVE SPEAKERS? YES. VICKI SAGE.

JASON, COULD I ASK YOU TO PLEASE PUT UP THAT TWO-WEEK PATH THING? THE TWO-WEEK SLIDE, PLEASE? AND MAY I GIVE THIS TO COUNCIL? I DON'T HOW DO I GO THIS. THIS WAY.

BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO EMAIL.

OKAY. BEFORE MY TIME STARTS.

COULD YOU PASS THAT TO THEM? BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE POLICE.

SORRY. AND THIS NEEDS TO, SO LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PICTURES, BECAUSE THEY'RE WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. HELLO, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF VICKI SAGE, CARLSBAD RESIDENT AND PRESIDENT OF CITIZENS FOR A FRIENDLY AIRPORT.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR UNCOVERING A VERY WELL-KEPT SECRET PALOMAR FOR FLIGHT PASS REALLY DOESN'T EXIST, DOES IT? VNAP STANDS FOR VOLUNTARY NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM.

HOW CAN ANYONE BLAME A PILOT FOR NOT FLYING ON THE VNAP FLIGHT PATH WHEN THE CONTROL TOWER LITERALLY DIRECTS THEM NOT TO? IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WAY.

I PASSED OUT AN FAA SCREENSHOT, IF YOU WILL, OF A TYPICAL DAY OF FLIGHTS IN AND OUT OF PALOMAR.

TO EACH OF YOU, TAKE A LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

GOOGLE MAPS VIEW FROM 2016.

THE PURPLE ARE FLIGHTS, TAKEOFFS AND THE GREENS ARE LANDING.

COMPARE THAT TO WHAT YOU SEE UP ON THE SCREEN.

THE VNAP DID WORK.

IT WAS WORKING.

IT WAS THERE.

THE CIRCLE THAT I HAND-WROTE ON THERE IS PALOMAR AIRPORT.

WHEN I READ THIS WEEK STAFF REPORT, I MADE SOME CALLS I CONFIRMED AT THE CURRENT AIRPORT MANAGER THAT THE V NAP WAS FAA APPROVED.

JUST LAST WEEK.

AT WEDNESDAY'S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, SUPERVISOR DESMOND BOASTED OF HOW HE PERSONALLY HELPED DEVELOP THE VNAP AND HOW PALOMAR IS USING IT TO EDUCATE PILOTS TO FOLLOW THE VNAP FLIGHT PATHS AND HONOR THE QUIET HOURS.

I ALSO CONFIRMED WITH THE AIRPORT MANAGER THAT AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL AT PALOMAR IS PROVIDED BY THE ONSITE TOWER, NOT OFF SITE, DURING NORMAL FLY HOURS, AND AT 10 P.M.

IT SWITCHED DOWN TO MIRAMAR.

THE TOWER KNOWS ABOUT VNAP.

WHAT'S UNCLEAR IS AFTER ALL THESE YEARS AND ALL THE PUBLIC PROMOTION AND ALL THE OH, WE'RE TRYING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL THAT AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL DEFAULTS TO DIFFERENT COORDINATES. THEN THE VNAP AND THE COUNTY NEVER THAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY CLEARLY NEVER PETITIONED FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY.

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THE SAME CIRCULAR SPEAK FROM ALL THE AVIATION EXPERTS AND AIR SAFETY FOLKS ABOUT AIR SAFETY AND AIRSPACE EFFICIENCY.

AND I'M GOING TO CALL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT ANY MORE POLITELY STEER MANURE.

NO ONE IS ASKING THE AIRPORT TO BE UNSAFE.

THAT'S LUDICROUS. WE'RE NOT LAX OR JFK OR O'HARE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO STACK PLANES THAT CLOSE TOGETHER FASTER.

JETS CAN LITERALLY COOL THEIR JETS FOR A MINUTE OR TWO AND LET THE SMALLER FLY PLANES FLY DIRECTLY OUT OVER TO THE OCEAN BEFORE THEY TURN LEFT OR RIGHT.

AND AS YOU SAW IN 2016, THEY USED TWO JETS CAN DO THE SAME.

OR HOW ABOUT HAVING THE AIRPORT ASSIGNED TAKEOFF TIMES STACK THE JETS CLOSE TOGETHER BACK-TO-BACK SO THEY CAN FOLLOW THE V NAP AND GET OUT OVER THE OCEAN CAREFULLY, FASTER THAN THE SMALL PLANES GIVE THEM SLOTS.

IT'S COMMON SENSE AND IT'S COURTESY.

THERE ARE SIMPLE, COST EFFECTIVE, EASY SOLUTIONS, BUT ALL PARTIES HAVE TO WANT TO COOPERATE.

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SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS.

AND AS OUR LOCAL GOVERNING AGENCY, YOU HAVE MORE POWER THAN WE CITIZENS DO WHEN DEALING WITH THE COUNTY AIRPORT OPERATIONS AND FAA.

PLEASE SUPPORT STAFF SUGGESTIONS AND IF ANYTHING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE.

THANK YOU.

FRANK SUNG.

GOOD EVENING. THAT'S AMAZING.

SHE LANDED IT RIGHT ON TIME.

MY NAME IS FRANK TSUNG.

I REPRESENT THE 20 HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE FORMED THE NETWORK TO COMBAT THE NOISE ISSUE.

I LIVE, I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE PALOMAR OF THE MARINERS.

POINT HOA. 186 HOMES, SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND RIGHT NEXT TO POINSETTIA PARK.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY IT'S A BLESSING TO LIVE IN CARLSBAD, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LEANING INTO THIS NOISE ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ROUND AND ROUND TALK.

WE'D LIKE TO MAKE TWO SUGGESTIONS ON RELATIVE TO THIS NAP VIOLATION CONVERSATION.

AND ONE SUGGESTION HAS TO DO WITH QUIET HOUR VIOLATIONS.

AND THE OTHER SUGGESTION HAS TO DO WITH, FLIGHT PATH DEVIATIONS.

WE USED TO CALL THEM VIOLATIONS, BUT THE AIRPORT PEOPLE TELL US, NO, THEY'RE JUST DEVIATIONS.

THEY'RE NOT VIOLATIONS BECAUSE THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY.

SO FIRST OF ALL, WE AGREED THAT THE CITY SHOULD SEND LETTERS ENCOURAGING PILOTS NOT TO FLY DURING, VOLUNTARY QUIET HOURS.

THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE.

I'VE SAT THERE AT PAC MEETINGS, AND THE COUNTY HAS SAID THAT THEY SEND LETTERS OUT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL VIOLATOR EVERY MONTH.

THEY EVEN GAVE US A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT THEY SENT.

THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE.

PLEASE HUNT IT DOWN.

WE CAN DO THAT.

THERE'S ONLY ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 80 OR SO IN A MONTH.

SO, THE NUMBER IS NOT HUGE FOR THE QUIET HOUR VIOLATORS RELATIVE TO FLIGHT DEVIATIONS.

WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THAT THE CITY, OBTAIN THAT DATA AND SEND IT OUT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I WAS SITTING AT A SEPTEMBER 21ST PAC MEETING AND THE COUNTY AIRPORT OPERATOR, THIS IS LAST YEAR, SEPTEMBER 21ST PAC MEETING.

HE WAS TELLING HE WAS REPORTING ON THE FACT THAT THE FAA AND THE COUNTY HOSTED A SPECIAL MEETING AT THE AIRPORT FOR ABOUT 60 PILOTS.

THEY, THE FAA AND THE COUNTY HAD IDENTIFIED THESE 60 PILOTS BEING FREQUENT VIOLATORS OF, VNAP BOTH QUIET HOURS AND FLIGHT DEVIATIONS.

SOMEHOW, THEY HAVE THAT DATA TO HAVE INVITED THOSE 60 PEOPLE AND THEY ENCOURAGED THEM.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE FLY ON THE 250-DEGREE TRACKING.

FOLLOW PALOMAR, PALOMAR AIRPORT, ROAD TO THE OCEAN.

GAIN ALTITUDE. MAKE YOUR TURN.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE BE A GOOD COMMUNITY CITIZEN.

THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, SO THE NET OF IT IS THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU FOR LEANING IN.

GO AFTER THEM. THANK YOU.

THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY I DO.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES, I'VE TRIED OVER AND OVER TO, GET THE INFORMATION, NOT ON THE QUIET HOUR RUNS, BECAUSE THE COUNTY ALREADY SENDS LETTERS TO THE PEOPLE WHO VIOLATE THE QUIET HOUR.

BUT THE MAJORITY OF COMPLAINTS I GET ARE THE SMALL AIRPLANES THAT TAKE OFF AND THEN START TO GAIN ALTITUDE OVER ALL THE RESIDENTS.

THEY HAVE THEIR ACCELERATOR GOING.

IT'S LOUD, THEY'RE LOW.

THAT'S WHERE I GET MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SO I ASKED IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GET A LIST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, VIOLATING THE NAP AND DOING THAT.

IF WE COULD JUST SEND THEM A NICE LETTER THAT JUST SAYS, PLEASE BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR AND FOLLOW THE NAP.

AND I WAS TOLD THAT WE CANNOT GET THAT LIST.

THERE'S NO SUCH LIST TO PROVIDE TO US TO SEND TO THE OWNERS OF THE AIRPLANES.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT, LIKE THE SPEAKER SAID, THAT THERE IS A WAY THAT THEY CAN IDENTIFY THE 60 BIGGEST VIOLATORS, BUT WE CAN'T GET THAT LIST.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR WHAT OUR STUMBLING BLOCKS ARE.

SURE. YES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. FROM ALL THE INFORMATION I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GATHER, THERE IS NO SINGLE AGENCY OR COLLECTION OF AGENCIES THAT MAINTAIN, DATA OR INFORMATION ON FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT DEVIATE FROM THE FLIGHT PATHS OF THE NAP.

THE NAP IS A COUNTY, ADOPTED, PROTOCOL AND, GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION COMING FROM AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS IS COMING OUT OF THE FAA. SO YOU HAVE A BIT OF A DISCONNECT IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

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THE COUNTY DOES NOT FOLLOW UP WITH LETTERS TO THOSE PILOTS.

IN REFERENCING THE MEETING OF THE 60 PILOTS IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FLIGHT SAFETY DISTRICT OFFICE, FLIGHT AND FLIGHT SAFETY INSPECTOR.

THAT MEETING, I BELIEVE, WAS TARGETED TOWARDS PILOTS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED, NOTICES OF VIOLATION OF FAA REGULATIONS.

SO IF THEY'RE GIVEN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THEY SOMEHOW DEVIATE FROM THAT IN THEIR OPERATION OR THEY, VIOLATE CERTAIN CEILINGS AND OTHER OPERATIONAL, THRESHOLDS, THE FAA WILL GO AFTER THEM WITH AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION.

SO IT MAY BE THAT THOSE, INDIVIDUALS WERE CONTACTED FOR THIS MEETING.

FROM EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO.

NOBODY. IS CRAWFORD CROSS-REFERENCING AND MAINTAINING ANY DATA RELATIVE TO ACTUAL OPERATIONS COMPARED TO CONSISTENCY WITH THE VNAP? OKAY, BEFORE WE GO TOO MUCH FURTHER, I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME, AND I'VE BEEN TURNING TO JASON FOR HELP.

AND JASON, IT'S KIND OF COOL TO HAVE JASON ON MY SIDE, BECAUSE I HAVE AN IDEA AND JASON DOES ALL OF THE WORK, TO HELP SUPPORT THAT IDEA.

SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT JASON GETS CREDIT FOR THE WORK HE'S DOING.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID IS FOR A ROUND TABLE, IT HAS TO BE CONVENED, BY AN AIRPORT OPERATOR.

WE'RE NOT AN AIRPORT OPERATOR.

HOW DO WE GET THEIR COOPERATION TO CONVENE THAT, ROUND TABLE? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR.

I HAVE HAD PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH AIRPORT STAFF.

THEY ARE OPEN TO THE IDEA.

THE PROPOSAL AND THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF YOU IS THAT YOU GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO ENGAGE WITH THE COUNTY AND REQUEST THAT THEY INITIATE THAT, TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. IN CONVERSATIONS WITH AIRPORT STAFF, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THE COUNTY AND THE AIRPORT DID THEIR PART 150 STUDY, WHICH IS THEIR NOISE STUDY, I BELIEVE THAT WAS BACK IN THE EARLY 2000.

THEY DID CONVENE A COMMUNITY ROUNDTABLE PROCESS, AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY'S NOISE COMPATIBILITY STUDY FOR THE PALOMAR AIRPORT WAS THE PRODUCT OF A OF A COMMUNITY ROUNDTABLE PROCESS.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE, TOTALLY UNUSUAL FOR THEM.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN MAKE A MOTION ON TONIGHT SINCE IT'S PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM, OR DO WE HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK, THAT THAT IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED ACTION THAT YOU DIRECT STAFF TO ENGAGE THE COUNTY, TO INITIATE A COMMUNITY ROUNDTABLE PROCESS? OKAY. AFTER THE REST OF THE COUNCIL ASKS THEIR QUESTIONS, MAKE THEIR COMMENTS, I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. MISS LUNA, SINCE I, SAT IN THE SEAT LAST FEBRUARY, JUST LIKE YOU, MAYOR, I HAVE BEEN INUNDATED FROM THE OAS AND, FROM OTHER FOLKS WITHIN DISTRICT TWO.

AND I THINK IT'S GREAT.

NOW WE'RE LEANING IN, WE'RE LEANING HARDER.

OUR COUNTY SUPERVISORS, I THINK, NEED TO OPEN THEIR EYES.

PAY ATTENTION.

THE RIGHT HAND ISN'T TALKING TO THE LEFT HAND, FINGERS POINTING AT EACH OTHER.

I THINK CARLSBAD HAS BEEN GOOD CITIZENS.

WE'VE GIVEN THEM TIME TO FOLLOW THE V&PS.

AND FRANKLY, RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, AND I FEEL FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT I THINK THE RIGHT, RIGHT HAND IS POINTING A FINGER AT THE LEFT HAND, AND WE'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE AND WE'RE SUFFERING.

AND I'M SO HAPPY, MR. MAYOR, THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE LEAD AND THAT WE'RE LEANING HARDER IN ON THIS ISSUE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMENTS? MS. ACOSTA? YES, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER LUNA, FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

I, LISTEN LOUD AND CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST TONIGHT, BUT WHEN THEY REACH OUT, THEY CALL, THEY EMAIL, THEY HAVE MEETINGS, AND WE TALK ABOUT AIRPORT ISSUES.

AND IT'S SO FRUSTRATING TO HAVE TO SAY THE COUNTY OWNS THE LAND, OPERATES THE AIRPORT, FAA LAWS GOVERN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE NOT EMPOWERED.

SO, I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT WE'RE FINDING WAYS TO URGE THE COUNTY TO HEAR OUR RESIDENTS, HEAR THE NEIGHBORS, AND HOPEFULLY TAKE ACTION.

SO, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LANGUAGE, IT SAID, REQUEST, REQUEST THIS MEETING.

I WANT TO URGE I WANT TO STRONGLY REQUEST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FORCE THEM, BUT WE HAVE THE POWER OF THE COMMUNITY BEHIND US, AND WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE THIS A STRONG REQUEST. SO, THANK YOU, MR. HABER, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS, MISS BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU.

AND I WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARED.

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I SINCE I WAS, GOSH, RUNNING FOR OFFICE UP UNTIL NOW.

SO, SIX YEARS IT THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE AND OBVIOUSLY PREDATES ME.

SO CLEARLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

AND I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

SO GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE MAKING SOME EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I KNOW ALL OF US UP HERE BELIEVE THIS AND ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO PUSHING THIS FORWARD.

THANKS. BEFORE THEY MAKE A MOTION, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE PICKING ON THE AIRPORT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT AIRPORT BEING IN CARLSBAD.

THEY'RE A HUGE ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE JUST WANT THEM TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.

SO, IT'S MY MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO CONVENE THE ROUNDTABLE.

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

JASON, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I TELL THE PUBLIC, HOW GREAT YOU ARE.

AND THEY INTERRUPT ME.

WE ALREADY KNOW WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THEM, AND WE ALREADY KNOW JASON'S GREAT.

SO, THANKS FOR ALL THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN-MINUTE BREAK.

THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE AT THREE MINUTES TO SIX.

IN SESSION.

ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE.

[9. MEMBERSHIP AND SELECTION OF THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY PALOMAR AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE]

MAKING OUR PRESENTATION IS OUR VERY OWN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR JASON HABER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHADWICK.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO, THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT REQUESTS AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE A LETTER FOR THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE.

AND AGAIN, TO THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS ONE REGARDING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE CONCERNING MEMBERSHIP AND SELECTION OF THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY PALOMAR AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE PAC.

IT'S A NINE-MEMBER VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE, AND IT'S FORMED TO ADVISE THE COUNTY ON MATTERS RELATED TO MCCLELLAN-PALOMAR AIRPORT.

BOTH THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE COUNTY CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER.

CURRENTLY, ALL MEMBERS OF THE PACK ARE NOMINATED BY THE FIFTH DISTRICT SUPERVISOR AND THEN APPOINTED BY THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND UNDER THE CURRENT FRAMEWORK, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CAN IDENTIFY ONE RESIDENT FOR NOMINATION.

BACK ON NOVEMBER.

SO BACK UP JUST A MOMENT.

WITH REDISTRICTING AT THE COUNTY, THERE WAS KIND OF A REALIZATION THAT HAVING ALL OF THE APPOINTMENTS MADE BY THE FIFTH DISTRICT SUPERVISOR WAS NOT REPRESENTATIVE.

AND SO, THERE HAS BEEN ONGOING DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE SUPERVISOR AND THE DISTRICT FIVE SUPERVISOR.

AND ON NOVEMBER 7TH, A RESOLUTION WAS INTRODUCED AND ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DIRECTING COUNTY STAFF TO RETURN WITHIN A TIME PERIOD WITH PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE COUNTY CODE RELATIVE TO HOW PAC MEMBERS ARE NOMINATED AND SELECTED.

ON NOVEMBER 14TH, THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND THOSE IN FINAL FORM WERE JUST INTRODUCED BY THE COUNTY ON FEBRUARY 7TH.

WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL, THEIR DISCUSSION LED TO A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IN CRAFTING A LETTER TO THE COUNTY.

AND THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT.

THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE IS SCHEDULED FOR ADOPTION, COMING UP ON FEBRUARY 28TH.

SO, THE PROPOSED COUNTY CODE AMENDMENTS UNDER THE NEW FRAMEWORK WOULD BE, RATHER THAN ALL NINE SEATS BEING NOMINATED BY THE FIFTH DISTRICT SUPERVISOR, FOUR SEATS WOULD NOW BE NOMINATED BY THE DISTRICT THREE SUPERVISOR.

TWO OF THOSE WOULD BE, INDICATED FOR CARLSBAD RESIDENTS TO BE IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY, AND TWO WOULD BE FOR DISTRICT THREE RESIDENTS AT LARGE.

THE FIFTH DISTRICT SUPERVISOR WOULD ALSO NOMINATE FOUR SEATS, ONE EACH FOR THE CITIES OF VISTA, SAN MARCOS, AND OCEANSIDE RESIDENTS.

EXCUSE ME. AND ONE DISTRICT FIVE RESIDENT AT LARGE.

ONE SEAT IS ALSO INDICATED FOR THE COUNTY'S CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER TO NOMINATE, AND THAT IS, SPECIFIED AS AN INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVE WITH EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE AT PALOMAR AIRPORT IN AVIATION OR AERONAUTICAL AIRPORT BUSINESS OPERATIONS.

AND TO EXPAND ON THAT, THE CODE LANGUAGE GOES A LITTLE FURTHER, INDICATING THAT MIGHT INCLUDE INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS PILOTS, MECHANICS, AIRPLANE OWNERS,

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SO, THE NEW PROPOSAL WOULD, ELIMINATE THAT CLAUSE.

SO PAC MEMBER TERMS. UNDER THE NEW FRAMEWORK, MEMBERS NOMINATED BY ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS WOULD SERVE TERMS THAT RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE APPOINTING SUPERVISOR'S TERM, AND THEN THE CEO'S APPOINTMENT WOULD RUN CONCURRENT WITH THE DISTRICT THREE SUPERVISORS' TERM.

SO, THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION UPON REVIEWING THESE PROPOSALS WAS TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PREPARE A LETTER FOR THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE, REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING REGARDING THE ORDINANCE AND SELECTION PROCESS.

ONE TO CLARIFY THE SEATS THAT ARE TO BE OCCUPIED BY CURRENT PAC MEMBERS.

YOU'LL RECALL TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR, THE CITY, WENT THROUGH A RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND IDENTIFIED A PRIMARY AND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR PACK APPOINTMENT.

AND SHIRLEY ANDERSON WAS NOMINATED BY SUPERVISOR DESMOND AND APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.

ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION TO CLARIFY THE TERMS TO BE SERVED BY CURRENT MEMBERS, BECAUSE MISS ANDERSON WAS APPOINTED BY SUPERVISOR DESMOND.

THERE'S A QUESTION, AND IT'S NOT CLEAR IN THE PROPOSED CODE LANGUAGE WHETHER HER TERM WOULD RUN CONCURRENT WITH SUPERVISOR DESMOND OR WHETHER SHE WOULD, ALTERNATELY OCCUPY ONE OF THE DISTRICT THREE DESIGNATED SEATS AND HER TERM NOW RUN WITH THE DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE'S TERM.

A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND OUR DISTRICT THREE SUPERVISOR SPECIFICALLY ADVANCE THE NOMINATIONS AND APPOINTMENT OF THE PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE CANDIDATES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION.

SO, RATHER THAN INITIATING ANOTHER SOLICITATION FOR INTEREST, THAT WE FORWARD THOSE TWO NAMES FOR CONSIDERATION IN SEATING UNDER THE NEW FRAMEWORK.

AND AGAIN, THAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ACTUALLY BE NOMINATED AND APPOINTED AS IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY.

ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION TO RETAIN THE LIMITS ON THE NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS WITH A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE AIRPORT, AND TO PROHIBIT A MAJORITY OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS FROM HAVING A FINANCIAL OR PROFESSIONAL INTEREST IN THE AIRPORT.

AND THEN FINALLY, TO ENSURE A SEAMLESS TRANSITION AS THE NEW FRAMEWORK IS ADOPTED AND IMPLEMENTED TO AVOID ANY GAPS IN SERVICE.

SO, THE CITY COUNCIL'S OPTIONS FOR TONIGHT ARE TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A LETTER THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE.

PROVIDE ALTERNATE DIRECTION OR ADDITIONAL DIRECTION TO STAFF OR DIRECT TO TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION.

AND WITH THAT, AGAIN, THE PROPOSED ACTION IS ON THE SCREEN.

AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? YES. SUSIE THAWLEY, FOLLOWED BY VICKI SAGE.

GOOD EVENING, I'M SUSIE THAWLEY.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD SINCE 1978.

I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PAC AND THEIR TERM LIMITS.

IT SEEMS THAT THEY JUST CONTINUALLY GET ROLLED OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THE PAC MEETING SINCE 2018, WHEN I WAS AT A WORKSHOP FOR THE MASTER PLAN FOR PALOMAR AIRPORT, FOUND OUT ABOUT THE PAC FROM ANOTHER GUEST WHO WAS AT THE SAME MEETING, AND MY HUSBAND AND I STARTED ATTENDING THE MEETINGS.

THE MEETINGS ARE HELD BI-MONTHLY.

AND THEY'RE AT A DAIS MUCH LIKE YOU ARE.

THEIR MEETINGS ARE CONDUCTED VERY MUCH THIS WAY, AND THEY'VE LOOSENED UP THE RULES A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MORE CONVERSATION GOING ON NOW THAN THERE USED TO BE, BUT IT'S VERY FORMAL.

AND THEY ARE THE SAME MEMBERS.

JUST ABOUT THAT GET ROLLED OVER EVERY YEAR, INCLUDING UNTIL THIS LAST YEAR.

THE SAME PERSON WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.

HE'S NOW A COCHAIRMAN, BUT AT ONE POINT.

FROM THE AUDIENCE.

WE QUESTIONED WHETHER HE SHOULD BE VOTING ON A PROPOSAL, AN ISSUE THAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING BECAUSE HE HAD SUCH A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE AIRPORT.

HE DIDN'T LIKE THAT, AND HE CONFERRED WITH THE AIRPORT MANAGER AND SOME OF THE COUNTY STAFF, AND THEY DECIDED IT WAS FINE FOR HIM TO VOTE ON IT.

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MAYBE WHAT THE PROCEDURE WOULD BE, WHAT THE TERMS WOULD BE IF THEY NEEDED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES AND JUST DO IT.

IT'S JUST A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STEPPING UP AND TAKING ACTION.

WE'VE BEEN AT THIS A LONG TIME AND IT'S SO GRATEFUL TO SEE YOU GUYS GETTING MORE PERSONALLY INVOLVED AND LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NO PICTURES THIS TIME.

HI, I'M VICKI SAGE, CARLSBAD RESIDENT AND AGAIN PRESIDENT OF CFR.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE, FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THE COUNCIL PASS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS.

CFR OPPOSED THE RECENT CHANGES APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THE COUNTY'S APPROACH IS INCORRECT AND INCOMPLETE.

THE CAO IS APPOINTING SOMEBODY WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON A WATCHDOG COMMITTEE FOR COUNTY STAFF.

SO YOU HAVE STAFF APPOINTING THE WATCHDOG FOR STAFF.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE LOST THAT BATTLE.

SO WE HAVE SOME I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT MIGHT EVEN HELP SOME MORE.

NOMINATIONS FORWARDED BY THE CITIES WHO HAVE ALLOCATED SEATS SHOULD BE SEATED ON THE PAC RIGHT NOW.

THE SUPERVISOR CAN CAN, OVERRIDE THAT AND SEAT WHOEVER THEY WANT.

AND, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN SHIRLEY WAS SEATED, THE VISTA CITY COUNCIL PUT FORTH A UNANIMOUS BIPARTISAN CANDIDATE FOR BY THEIR CITY COUNCIL.

THE DEFY SUPERVISOR DIDN'T EVEN DIDN'T EVEN INTERVIEW HER.

INSTEAD, HE PUT A GUY WHO RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL, LOST FOR CITY COUNCIL, WHO'S PULLED HIS PAPERS TO RUN FOR D FIVE SUPERVISOR IN HER PLACE INSTEAD.

SO HE JUST COMPLETELY IGNORED THE CITY COUNCIL'S UNANIMOUS DECISION.

SO I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO ASK THAT THERE'S NO SUPERVISOR OVERRIDE BY THE CANDIDATES THAT THE CITY'S PUT FORTH, AND THAT SHOULD BE FOR ALL THE CITIES.

TWO PLAIN AND SIMPLY, PAC MEMBERS SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY FINANCIAL INTERESTS IN AIRPORTS AND ITS BUSINESSES.

PLEASE ASK THAT THE COUNTY TO CODIFY ALL CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.

FUNNY LITTLE SECRET WHEN THEY GO FOR FAA FUNDING.

THERE'S A LITTLE TICK MARK ON THERE THAT SAYS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMUNITY INPUT? THE PAC'S APPROVAL OF THOSE PLANS? IS THAT COMMUNITY INPUT? SO YOU NOW HAVE PEOPLE SITTING ON AN ADVISORY COMMISSION APPROVING THINGS TO GET MONEY FOR MONEY FOR THE AIRPORT THAT ACTUALLY PUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS.

SOME THE COUNTY'S POLICIES REGARDING CONFLICTS OF INTEREST NEED TO BE ADHERED TO.

THE CURRENT PAC DOES NOT DO SO.

AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE.

AT THE LAST PAC MEETING, THE CO-CHAIR WHO OWNS A LEASING BUSINESS AT PALOMAR AIRPORT REFUSED TO RECUSE HIMSELF EVEN AFTER HE WAS ASKED BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PAC. THE PAC WAS DISCUSSING AND VOTING ON WHETHER TO RECOMMEND WHETHER THOSE LEASES OF WHICH HE BENEFITED GO OUT FOR BID OR JUST AUTOMATICALLY BE RENEWED TO THE TUNE OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, NOT TENS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

NOTHING HAPPENED.

SO I THINK IF PAC MEMBERS, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD ASK PAC MEMBERS DON'T RECUSE THEMSELVES.

THEY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, KICKED OFF THE COMMITTEE AND FINALLY, COUNTY POLICIES.

THERE SHOULD BE NO SUPERVISOR OVERRIDING OF THE EIGHT YEAR TERM LIMIT.

THERE'S A CURRENT PAC MEMBER THAT'S BEEN ON THERE 20 YEARS.

PREVIOUS PAC MEMBER 28 YEARS, EIGHT, EIGHT, EIGHT YEARS.

IS IT YOU'RE EITHER IN, YOU SERVE YOUR TIME, YOU ARE MOVED OFF.

SO I ASK YOU TO PLEASE PUT THOSE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS IN AND PASS WITH THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE.

CHRISTIAN PEACOCKS, FOLLOWED BY FRANK SUNG.

HI, CHRISTIAN PEACOCK'S LAST TIME.

I'LL BE SHARING THIS EVENING, I PROMISE.

I JUST REALLY WANT TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID THIS EVENING.

ABOUT THIS PACK.

I HAD A BUSINESS FOR, OVER TEN YEARS THAT WAS RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT RED ARROW THAT YOU SHOWED EARLIER, AND I COULD NOT HEAR MYSELF SPEAK DURING THE DAY.

SOMETIMES I WOULD GO OUTSIDE AND WOULD BE ON A PHONE CALL, AND I COULDN'T HEAR A THING BECAUSE OF THE THE JETS COMING OVERHEAD.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN I MOVED INTO CARLSBAD, I WAS LIKE, OH, HOW COOL.

I CAN FLY UNITED INTO CARL, INTO PALOMAR, AND THEN JUST DRIVE OVER TO MY HOUSE.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS COOL UNTIL I HEARD THE JETS AT NIGHT AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, THIS IS CRAZY, BECAUSE THEY WERE WARMING UP THEIR ENGINES.

AND EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T ON THE THE, TAKEOFF PATH, THE JET WAS TURNED THIS WAY SO THAT THE ENGINES WERE POINTED STRAIGHT TOWARDS MY HOUSE AND BRESSI RANCH.

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SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM OUR DISTRICT, DISTRICT TWO, AND SOMEONE IN THE AREA AND FROM FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HEARD, MARINER'S POINT, BRESSI RANCH.

YOU KNOW, VICKI IS PART OF THIS GREAT CITIZENS FOR A FRIENDLY AIRPORT GROUP.

YOU KNOW, SOMEONE FROM THERE BE ON THIS COMMITTEE.

SO I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THAT.

ALSO, PEOPLE WITH A FINANCIAL INTEREST LIKE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT REALLY SHOULDN'T SHOULDN'T BE ON THE PAC.

I WOULDN'T THINK AND MAYBE SHORTEN UP THE TERM LIMITS.

SO, ALL GOOD STUFF.

THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN, FRANK SUNG, MARINERS POINT. HOA REPRESENTING THE 20 HOA'S THAT'S IN OUR GROUP.

JUST TO REITERATE THOSE THREE POINTS, I THOUGHT THEY WERE SPOT ON.

SAID A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR APPOINTING SHIRLEY ANDERSON TO BE THE CARLSBAD REPRESENTATIVE.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE THAT SHE WAS ACCEPTED AND SEATED BECAUSE SERIOUSLY, WE'RE SITTING THERE AND WATCHING WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE CITY OF VISTA'S CANDIDATE, FIVE ZERO.

AS MRS WAS TALKING ABOUT, SHE DIDN'T EVEN GET INTERVIEWED BY THE SUPERVISOR.

SO THAT SHOULD BE IN THE LETTER THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR SHOULD NOT OVERRIDE A CITY'S RECOMMENDATION.

NUMBER TWO, THIS FINANCIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SITTING THERE MULTIPLE PAC MEETINGS AND THEY ARE APPROVING LEASE EXTENSIONS FOR THEIR BUSINESS OWNERS, APPROVING LEASE EXTENSIONS FOR FELLOW BUSINESS OWNERS.

I MEAN, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN? BUT THIS IS WHAT GOES ON.

I MEAN, THANK GOODNESS YOU DON'T GO TO THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE YOU'D BE LIKE, WHAT THE HECK? WHERE DO THEY COME FROM? SO PLEASE PUT THAT IN.

REEMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF EXCLAMATION MARKS ABOUT NO FINANCIAL CONFLICT.

IT'S GOT TO BE ENFORCED, NOT JUST DO I FEEL LIKE IT TONIGHT.

AND EVEN WHEN I HAVE FELLOW MEMBERS SAYING, HEY, I THINK YOU SHOULD NOT, THE GUY STILL INSISTED ON VOTING.

AND THIS TERM LIMIT THING, YOU KNOW, COUNTY HAS VERY GOOD GUIDELINES.

JUST FOLLOW THEM. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.

WHY DOES THIS LITTLE COMMITTEE ADVISORY SUPPOSEDLY.

BUT THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS, FINANCIAL DECISIONS.

WHY SHOULD THIS LITTLE COMMITTEE BE A ONE OFF FROM EVERY OTHER, COMMITTEE WITHIN THE COUNTY? SO THOSE THREE THINGS I DEFINITELY SUPPORT, SUPPORT, SUPPORT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.

I HAVE 40 YEARS IN BUSINESS WITH IBM, AND I REALLY UNDERSTAND BUSINESS.

I LOVE BUSINESS, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO MAKE A PROFIT.

BUT AS A RESIDENT, I ALSO UNDERSTAND I HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS AND ISSUES.

THERE IS A WAY.

AND SO, IT'S GETTING BETTER, YOU KNOW, FROM NINE ZERO, IT'S A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

BUT NOW WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GET SOME BALANCE BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS INTERESTS, AND LET'S JUST MUTUALLY RESPECT EACH OTHER AND WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.

QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

MISS BURKHOLDER? YEAH. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS, JASON.

I ALSO MY COLLEAGUE, WHEN WE HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE AIRPORT, JUST BASED ON THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS, I'M CURIOUS IF THERE IF SOMEONE IS IN VIOLATION, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WAS MENTIONED IS A FINANCIAL INTEREST.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN PLACE LIKE A PROCESS TO DEAL WITH THAT PARTICULAR PACK MEMBER? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE COUNTY'S PROCEDURES FOR CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY IF THERE ARE ANY GENERAL LAWS THAT MIGHT APPLY IN THIS CASE, BUT I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE COUNTY'S PROVISIONS AND PROCESSES RELATED TO THAT. WELL, I THINK OUR LANGUAGE HERE ACTUALLY ADDS TO THE STRENGTH OF THAT SITUATION.

SO I'M PROUD TO SEE THAT IN HERE, TOO.

AND SPEAKING OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? I'M CURIOUS IF WE DO SEND THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR LAST PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TO TO GET TO SHIRLEY ANDERSON, IF THAT HAS ANY SORT OF IMPACT ON ON THE OTHER WAY THAT WE DO OUR OTHER COMMISSION APPOINTEES, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

SO LIKE SO LIKE IF WE GO THROUGH A COMMISSION, A CYCLE AND WE APPOINT ONE COMMISSIONER TO WHATEVER PARKS AND REC, THEN THE OTHER ONES, IT'S NOT LIKE WE KEEP A LIST OF RANK AND FILE.

SO WHEN WE HAVE OPENINGS, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE WOULDN'T BE VIOLATING ANY OF OUR OWN RULES.

IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO SEND THE RUNNER UP TO SHIRLEY, THIS PARTICULAR APPOINTMENT ISN'T COVERED BY YOUR BOARD AND COMMISSION RULES BECAUSE IT COMES FROM THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY IS ASKING YOU TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION PERFECT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAD IS, COULD WE ADD A LINE THAT JUST SAYS, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU DO ADHERE TO THE EIGHT YEAR TERM LIMIT

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THANK YOU JASON. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL, HAPPY TO ADD THAT LINE.

I WILL JUST ADD IN SOME CONTEXT TO THAT.

I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY DOES HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THEIR CODE AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE ARE SOME HOLDOVER PROVISIONS IN THEIR APPOINTMENTS. SO IF AN APPOINTEE IS TERM EXPIRES OR REACHES THE LIMIT UNTIL THEY ARE REPLACED BY THE SUPERVISOR, THE RELEVANT SUPERVISOR, THEIR APPOINTMENT CONTINUES TO HOLD OVER ON A IN UNDEFINED BASIS UNTIL THEY ARE REPLACED, OR UNTIL THE TERM OF THAT APPOINTING SUPERVISOR COMES TO A CLOSE.

MR. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

ALONG THE SAME LINES OF THE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TERM LIMITS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY DOES HAVE TERM LIMITS FOR THEIR MEMBERS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE.

BUT I HEAR THAT THAT THEY HAVE AN EIGHT YEAR TERM LIMIT.

YES THEY HAVE.

AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS IN FRONT OF ME, SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THOSE, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO SERVE, ANY OF THEIR FOR ANY OF THEIR COMMITTEES.

THEY HAVE LIKE KIND OF AN UMBRELLA POLICY THAT SAYS, THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS ON A PARTICULAR ASSIGNMENT.

AGAIN, HOWEVER, IF YOUR SEAT IS NOT REAPPOINTED, THEN THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC PROVISION FOR A HOLDOVER UNTIL SUCH TIME.

SO, WHILE IT'S KIND OF LOOSE LANGUAGE AS FAR AS TERM LIMITS GO.

OKAY. YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, REQUESTING THAT THEY CLARIFY AND ENFORCE THEIR TERM LIMITS AND THEN, SIMILARLY, DON'T THEY ALREADY HAVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, PROVISIONS IN HERE FOR THEIR COMMISSIONERS OR ADVISORS ON DIFFERENT COMMITTEES? I MEAN, SELF-DEALING IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S ILLEGAL.

AND ISN'T THAT ALREADY IN THERE SOMEWHERE? THAT IS IN COUNTY REGULATIONS, BUT IT'S UP TO THE COUNTY TO ENFORCE THAT AND BECOME AWARE OF THOSE CONFLICTS WHEN THEY DO EXIST.

YEAH, I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE SIMILAR.

IT IS ALREADY REQUIRED THE TERM LIMITS AND THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

IT'S ALREADY IN THEIR LAW.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO POINT IT OUT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT IT APPEARS THAT WE NEED TO ASK THEM TO, FOLLOW THOSE AND MAKE IT MAKE IT MORE CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE, PART OF THIS COMMITTEE TO.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD ON THAT, MR. HABER? I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, I GUESS UNDER THE CURRENT FRAMEWORK, THEY HAVE THE PROVISION THAT PROVIDES THAT NO MORE THAN THREE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, SHALL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE IN THE AIRPORT OPERATIONS THEMSELVES.

UNDER THE NEW FRAMEWORK, THEY SPECIFICALLY INDICATE THAT ONE MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER.

BY DEFINITION, SHOULD HAVE SOME PROFESSIONAL OR, FINANCIAL.

RELATIONSHIP TO THE AIRPORT.

I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PERSON IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BUSINESS OF THE AIRPORT, BUT IF THEY'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING OR TAKING A POSITION ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE THEM WITH A FINANCIAL BENEFIT, ARE THEY STILL ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THAT? IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO RECUSE AND AVOID ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, I SUPPOSE, AT THAT POINT.

OKAY, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN SAY SOMEHOW IN OUR LETTER THAT CONCERNS HAVE BEEN RAISED AND WE JUST WANTED THEM TO BE AWARE THAT THAT IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HOPE THAT THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO.

I WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND FIND AN ELEGANT WAY TO CONVEY.

OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS READY TO CHIME IN AS WELL.

WELL, I'VE HESITATED TO COMMENT ON ANOTHER AGENCY'S ENFORCEMENT OF THEIR OWN CONFLICT OF INTEREST REQUIREMENTS, BUT TO THE EXTENT THEY HAVE THEM, AS WE DO HERE, I MEAN, YOU ALL RECOGNIZE WHAT YOUR CONFLICTS ARE.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO RECUSE, OUR OFFICE ALERTS YOU TO THEM.

IF WE THINK MAYBE YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE NOTICED THEM, BUT.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE COUNTY'S PROCESSES.

YES. THANK YOU.

I THINK MAYBE JUST SOME, POINTING OUT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS RAISED TO US ABOUT THAT MIGHT BE WORTHY OF INCLUSION IN THIS LETTER.

THANK YOU, MISS BHAT-PATEL.

THANK YOU.

SHOULD I DO BOTH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, MAYOR? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL GO TO ME FOR QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMENTS.

OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM WHAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE OTHER POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.

IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, ON A MOTION OF COUNCIL, WE CAN INCORPORATE WHATEVER POINTS YOU'D LIKE TO INCLUDE IN THE LETTER.

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I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO ENSURE THAT, BY ANY MEANS, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS TO ADOPT LANGUAGE IN THEIR CODE, AMENDMENTS THAT RELINQUISH THAT DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY.

AND, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT EITHER.

SO, IN THIS CASE, IF IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO REQUEST, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THE ASK.

AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY GO ALONG WITH THAT.

OKAY. WELL, ALL OF THE REST OF MY, COMMENT, OUR COMMENTS.

SO THANK YOU. YOU STAFF PUT TOGETHER THIS, THIS, THESE IDEAS AND ALL OF THIS LIST OF WHAT TO PUT IN THE THE LETTER.

THE LETTER IS SIMPLY A REQUEST.

OF OUR CONCERNS TO THE COUNTY, IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, TO CLARIFY, THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE.

WHEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED REVISIONS BACK IN NOVEMBER.

THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION PROCESS, A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS, WERE RECORDED BY STAFF.

AND THOSE ARE REFLECTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SO TODAY'S COUNCIL MEETING, THE INPUT WE'RE GIVING YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE LETTER.

AND THEN THAT LETTER WILL COME BACK TO US AT A FUTURE DATE.

IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? WITH COUNCIL DIRECTION, MAYOR, STAFF WOULD PROCEED TO DRAFT A LETTER FOR YOUR SIGNATURE.

SO WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO REFLECT WHATEVER IS INCLUDED IN THE MOTION TO TO DIRECT STAFF.

AND THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE FOR YOUR REVIEW PRIOR TO SIGNATURE.

OKAY. WE HAVE A HEFTY REQUEST LIST.

AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS.

WHAT IS THE PROPER WAY TO DO THIS? DO WE LIST EVERYTHING WE WANT AND THEN DOES THAT, THEN PUT THEM ON THE DEFENSE? OR SHOULD WE JUST PICK THE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT? TRY TO GET THOSE THROUGH AND THEN ADD SOME OF THESE OTHER IDEAS LATER.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BEST STRATEGY? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IN THE LETTER.

SO BY MY COUNT, IF WE INCLUDE THE 5 OR 6 THAT WERE ORIGINALLY IN THE RECOMMENDATION, AND I'VE HEARD 3 OR 4 OTHER ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT MAY YOU MAY WANT TO INCLUDE TONIGHT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN EXCESSIVE NUMBER OF POINTS TO BRING UP IN TERMS OF THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER.

COMMENTS. MISS BHAT-PATEL, YES, THANK YOU.

AND THANKS AGAIN TO THE SPEAKERS.

AND MR. HABER FOR FOR THIS I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN INCLUDING THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE AND BROUGHT UP BY THE SPEAKERS WITH REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, ASKING IF WE CAN REALLY LOOK INTO HOW MEMBERS ARE RECUSING THEMSELVES WITH REGARDS TO FINANCIAL INTERESTS, AND THE OVERRIDING OF TERM LIMITS, ENSURING THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, AT THE VERY LEAST, MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE WE HOPE THAT THEY ADHERE TO THE TERM LIMITS.

AND THEN THE LAST PIECE WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY HOPEFULLY THAT THEY END UP TAKING HEED OF WHO THE CITY ENDS UP PUTTING FORWARD AND THAT THEY ARE NOT, OVERRIDING THAT AS WELL.

SO THOSE WOULD BE I'M HAPPY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS PUT FORWARD BY THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE.

REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK DONE ON THAT.

AND JUST WANT TO ADD THOSE ON AS WELL.

THANKS, MISS ACOSTA.

THANK YOU. I ALSO AM HAPPY WITH THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, WITH THE ADDITIONS OF THE THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, LANGUAGE AND THE THE CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT, TERM LIMITS.

I ALSO THINK, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE ASK THEM TO PLEASE HONOR THE, RECOMMENDATION PUT FORWARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I CAN IMAGINE I HEARD THE QUESTION THAT THAT WE ASKED EARLIER THAT THE MAYOR WAS ASKING ABOUT.

OR MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL WAS ASKING ABOUT, HOW THE SUPERVISORS WILL TAKE IT IF WE TRY TO SAY YOU MUST PICK OURS, YOU KNOW, AND TAKE AWAY THEIR DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY.

AND I, I THINK WE COULD JUST WORD THAT CAREFULLY.

AND I, I TRUST THAT WE'LL DO THAT AND THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL REVIEW WHATEVER LETTER WE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE.

THANKS, MISS BURKHOLDER.

WELL, I'VE. I'VE READ MANY A LETTER FROM MR. HABER, AND I HAVE THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE IN HIS ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE IN A VERY NON-THREATENING WAY WITH THE COUNTY.

HE IS THE FINEST WRITER.

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AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE JUST FINE MAKING OUR REQUESTS.

AND I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

MISS LUNA. THANK YOU, LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE.

AND, MR. MAYOR, FOR WILLING TO PUT YOUR SIGNATURE ON A LETTER.

I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

IT SAYS THE BOARD IS SCHEDULED TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE ON FEBRUARY 28TH.

SO WOULD YOU BE GOING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ADVANCE THIS, BEFORE FEBRUARY 28TH? AND THEN WOULD YOU BE GOING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING? THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. WE WOULD CERTAINLY AIM TO TRANSMIT THIS BEFORE THE ADOPTION AND WELL IN ADVANCE, SO IT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THEIR DELIBERATIONS.

AND I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER IN TERMS OF DIRECTION ON ATTENDING THE MEETING.

WELL, AND THE REASON WHY JASON WILL BE THERE.

WELL, WELL, AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER DONE THIS BEFORE, WHAT OUR POLICY IS, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO GO DOWN AND SPEAK ALSO, SO THAT WE PUT OUR PRESENCE.

NOT JUST SENDING A LETTER, BUT THAT WE PHYSICALLY ACTUALLY HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER THERE.

AND OF COURSE, MR. HABER. HABER WOULD GIVE ME HIS MOST ELOQUENT LANGUAGE FOR ME TO SAY.

SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE FEARFUL.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO AUTHORIZE ME.

OR OR OR IF YOU PREFER NOT OR IF THAT'S OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE COUNCIL.

BUT I JUST THINK THIS HAS BEEN LINGERING FOR SO LONG THAT A PRESENCE AND THAT OUR SUPERVISORS SEE THAT WE ACTUALLY SENT A COUNCIL MEMBER WITH OUR STAFF.

SO I, I WOULD LEAVE THAT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

AND I'M NOT OFFENDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, I'M GOING TO OFFER MY SERVICES TO GO WITH YOU SO YOU CAN DRIVE IN THE CARPOOL LANE.

BUT WOULD YOU WOULD YOU EVALUATE THAT, MR. HABER? AND THEN YOU LET US KNOW IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL OR NOT? AND I DID HAVE ONE EXTRA QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. IT'D BE MY ADD ON QUESTION.

WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY WHO HELPS US STAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

DO THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY PRESENT OR SOMEBODY FROM COUNTY COUNSEL WHO HELPS THEM MAKE THOSE DECISIONS? THE COUNTY COUNSEL IS DEFINITELY PRESENT FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS.

SO IN CRAFTING THESE REGULATIONS, THEY WOULD BE PRESENT AND INVOLVED.

AND THEY ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING AND PRESENTING THOSE THROUGH THE BOARD LETTER.

I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE SEEN COUNTY COUNSEL PRESENT AT PAC MEETINGS.

AND I WAS OF COURSE, I'M REFERRING TO THE PAC MEETINGS.

IF IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE QUESTION OR TO SOMEHOW SUGGEST, THAT THEY HAVE.

THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY FOR THEIR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETINGS.

WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE FOR OUR MEETINGS.

MAYBE A SUGGESTION THAT THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY THERE TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, ISSUES.

IS THAT UNREASONABLE? WELL, I WILL SAY THAT OUR OFFICE DOES NOT ATTEND EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETING, BUT OUR OFFICE DOES MAKE AN EFFORT TO GO TO BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS AND GIVE THEM TRAINING ON BROWN ACT AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST TYPE INFORMATION.

SO THAT'S HOW WE DEAL WITH SOME OF OUR SMALLER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

JUST A THOUGHT. YOU.

YOU DO WHAT IT IS AS YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE.

MOTION. YES.

SO WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE ADDED, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AND WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THAT MOTION WITH THE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE ADDED? YES. AND THEN MOVING STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SECOND PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER TEN, CITY MANAGER.

[10. OPTIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF PICKLEBALL COURTS AT EXISTING PARKS]

AND JOIN US FOR THE PRESENTATION.

TODAY IS OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, KYLE LANCASTER, ALONG WITH OUR PARK PLANNING MANAGER, NICK STUPIN.

YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR, AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MANAGER, ATTORNEY AND CLERK FOR THE RECORD, KYLE LANCASTER.

AND TO MY RIGHT, MR. NICK STUPIN.

WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS AT EXISTING PARKS.

AND OUR INTENT TODAY WAS TO COVER THIS FULL LIST IN THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S A GOOD 10 TO 12 MINUTES, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE IS AN INTEREST IN KEEPING THE PRESENTATION SHORT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THIS FACT.

THE STAFF REPORT WAS FAIRLY DETAILED AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.

WE HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL WRITTEN COMMENTS TO DATE, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNCIL ALREADY.

THERE'S ONLY ONE PUBLIC COMMENTER TONIGHT.

THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION AND THE SENIOR COMMISSION HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, AND WE HAVE BRIEFED TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST

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AND THEN LASTLY, THIS ITEM IS IS IN RESPONSE TO CITY COUNCIL'S MINUTE MOTION FROM SEPTEMBER AND DOES COVER THE DIRECTION THAT WAS PROVIDED AT THAT TIME. SO I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, AT THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, IT'S MOVING DIRECTLY TO THE RECOMMENDED ACTION.

I CAN READ IT INTO THE RECORD.

WE'RE HAPPY TO PROCEED WITH THE BALANCE OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT AGAIN, OTHERWISE WE WOULD CUT DIRECTLY TO QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A DESIRE TO HEAR THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION? OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY. YES.

NODS. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, LINDA WHITAKER.

GOOD EVENING. EXCUSE ME.

MY NAME IS LINDA WHITTAKER.

I LIVE IN CALAVERAS.

I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM CALAVERAS COMMUNITY HILLS COMMUNITY PARK.

AND I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING PICKLEBALL COURTS THERE.

FOUR THINGS IN PARTICULAR.

OUT OF ALL THE LARGER PARKS, CALAVERAS IS THE PARK WITH THE HOMES THE CLOSEST TO THE PARK.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS CHOSEN.

PICKLEBALL IS LOUD.

IT IS LOUDER THAN TENNIS.

THIS IS BECAUSE FROM MY RESEARCH, IT IS A MID-FREQUENCY NOISE.

AND BECAUSE OF ITS IRREGULARITY, IT BECOMES QUITE ANNOYING.

I ALSO HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE CITY OR THE PARK PREVENTING PICKLEBALL FROM BEING. OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS OF THE PARK.

AND THIS IS FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE BASKETBALL COURT.

IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM.

I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE NUMEROUS TIMES BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE 11:00, 12:00, 3 A.M.

PLAYING BASKETBALL.

I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.

I FEEL THE NOISE WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR PEACE AND POTENTIALLY OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

I JUST HOPE THAT THESE ISSUES WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

FROM RESEARCH, I'VE NOTICED THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO MITIGATE THE NOISE LEVEL.

SOUND BARRIERS AND OTHER MATERIALS THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED IF THIS GOES FORWARD.

AND OF COURSE, ITS LOCATION IN THE PARK ITSELF.

THE TENNIS COURTS ARE LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDING.

THEY ARE NOT A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORS AT ALL.

THE BASKETBALL COURT, ON THE OTHER HAND, AND POTENTIALLY PICKLEBALL ARE DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

WE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT CARD FROM A SPEAKER AFTER THE ITEM HAS BEEN PRESENTED FROM JODI RUDDICK.

IT'S YOUR DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERSON SPEAKS.

IT'S THE POLICY OF THE THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT SPEAKER CARDS AFTER THE ITEM HAS ALREADY BEEN CALLED AND IS STARTED.

SO I'M VERY SORRY, BUT WE'VE LEARNED A LESSON FOR NEXT TIME TO GET THE CARD IN BEFORE WE START ON IT, SO YOU WON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I'M SORRY. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO. THERE ARE NOT QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL, MISS BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR THE BRIEFING AND INFORMATION.

COULD YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE SPEAKER THAT JUST SPOKE WITH REGARDS TO, WHY THE SITE WAS CHOSEN, THE NOISE CONCERNS, AND THEN THE LAST PIECE AROUND HOW WE COMPLY WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE BROUGHT UP THE AERIAL IMAGE, WHICH IS ALSO IN YOUR PACKET FOR THE CALAVERA HILLS PROPOSAL, AND YOU CAN SEE IN ORANGE THOSE WILL BE THE FOUR COURTS THAT WILL BE ADDED TO AN ALREADY EXISTING RACKET COURT LAYOUT WITH TENNIS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR LEFT, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE 250FT AWAY AND THEN 355FT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL AND IS ON THE, MID TO LARGER END OF THOSE SITES THAT WE SURVEYED.

IT'S ALSO CONSIDERABLY MORE DISTANT THAN THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AT POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK.

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IN TERMS OF SOUND ATTENUATION.

LIKE WITH POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK, WE FULLY INTEND TO USE WHAT IS CALLED ACOUSTIC FENCE MATTING THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE COURT ENCLOSURE, AND IT'S A SOLID MAT THAT DOES KNOCK DOWN SOME OF THE DECIBEL LEVEL.

IT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE ENCLOSURE.

SO TEN FEET TALL.

AND. IN ADDITION, WE WOULD BE LOCKING THE COURTS OVERNIGHT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE, IMPLEMENTED AT POINSETTIA PARK AS A RESULT OF WHAT THE SPEAKER REFERENCED, INDIVIDUALS COMING IN AND STARTING EARLY BEFORE THE 8 A.M.

START OF PARK OPERATING HOURS AND BEYOND 10:00.

WE FOUND THAT TO BE TROUBLESOME TO THE NEIGHBORS ADJACENT TO POINSETTIA.

AND SO WE HAVE NOW LOCKED THEM AT 10 P.M..

THEY DO NOT BECOME UNLOCKED AGAIN UNTIL 8 A.M..

SO WITH ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND, WE DO BELIEVE THAT CALIBER IS A VIABLE SITE.

IT IS AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY PARK.

THIS SPACE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ORDINARILY PROGRAMED FOR.

OTHER USES MAY BE USED FOR WARM UP AND SUCH, BUT WE HAVE OTHER AREAS ADJACENT TO THE FIELD THAT CAN BE USED FOR WARM UP.

AND SO THIS HAS TAKEN ACCOUNT NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS.

WE FEEL LIKE IT ADDRESSES THE NEED AND YET BALANCES THE NEIGHBORS COMMENTS.

SO WITH THAT THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.

GREAT. THANK YOU. NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

MISS ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

MY FIRST QUESTIONS WERE WERE ALREADY ASKED AND ANSWERED.

THANK YOU.

I ALSO WONDERED IF YOU COULD RESPOND TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED OVER EMAIL ABOUT, HOW WE STRUCTURE IT SO THAT CARLSBAD RESIDENTS ARE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY GET TO USE THESE VERSUS OUTSIDERS.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE, WE DO OR CAN DO TO ENSURE THAT THESE ARE LOCAL COURTS FOR CARLSBAD VERSUS A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF OUT OF THE CITY TO PLAY HERE.

YES, MA'AM. I CAN ADDRESS THAT.

WE DO NOT CURRENTLY REGULATE WHO USES OUR PICKLEBALL COURTS AT POINSETTIA PARK, OR FOR THAT MATTER, ANY OTHER AMENITIES AT POINSETTIA PARK OR OTHER PARKS. THEY ARE COMMUNITY PARKS.

AND, TO THIS TIME, CARLSBAD IS TYPICALLY CONSIDERED THOSE AMENITIES THAT DON'T HAVE FEES ATTACHED TO THEM TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

HAVING SAID THAT, WE COULD IMPLEMENT SOMETHING WHERE THERE WAS A FEE STRUCTURE AND OR A RESIDENCY ONLY, HOWEVER, THAT'S GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL STAFFING. WE DO NOT HAVE STAFFING RIGHT NOW AT POINSETTIA FROM 8 A.M.

TO 10 P.M..

WE HAVE STAFF AT CALAVERAS AND STAGECOACH IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT THEY ARE NOT READILY OUTSIDE AND WOULD BE REGULATING COURT USAGE EITHER BY RESIDENT IDS OR BY TIME PERIODS.

IT'S ALSO BEEN ASKED.

SO TO DATE, THE USE OF PICKLEBALL COURTS IS THE SAME AS TENNIS COURTS AND BASKETBALL COURTS, WHERE IT'S FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.

NO ID REQUIRED, NO FEE REQUIRED.

OKAY. AND SO IF SOMETHING BECOMES A PROBLEM THEN WE WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN OTHER SITUATIONS OR WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN OTHER OUTDOOR COURT AMENITIES OF THIS NATURE.

AGAIN, THIS PERHAPS EXAMPLE THAT COULD BE APPLIED IS SOMETHING LIKE THE AQUATIC CENTERS WHERE WE DO ACTUALLY PAY OR CHARGE A FEE FOR THE USE.

AND IF WE WANTED TO GO TO THAT ROUTE AND THE COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO, THEN CERTAINLY WE COULD.

I WOULD SUGGEST APPLYING IT ACROSS THE BOARD, THOUGH, TO ALL PICKLEBALL FACILITIES IF WE HAVE THREE.

IN THE END, POINSETTIA, CALAVERA AND STAGECOACH, THEY WOULD BE LIKE IN THEIR IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH RULES.

I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DRAW SOME CONTENTION WITH THE PICKLEBALLERS VERSUS TENNIS PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT CHARGED OR ASKED FOR RESIDENCY, SO CERTAINLY IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO, BUT AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOT TAKEN THAT STEP.

OKAY, I'VE HEARD THOSE CONCERNS AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN THE EMAILS TOO.

AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, WHAT ABOUT, FOLKS WHO ARE CHARGING FOR LESSONS OR HAVING COACHING THERE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WE WE MUST HAVE SOME STRUCTURE FOR USING OUR FIELDS FOR LEAGUE SPORTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK FOR FOLKS WHO ARE CHARGING OTHERS FOR LESSONS TO PLAY? PICKLEBALL LESSONS ARE NOT PERMITTED ON A PRIVATE BASIS RIGHT NOW ON AGAIN, EITHER THE TENNIS COURTS OR PICKLEBALL COURTS.

IF WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT OCCURRING, WE WILL SEND STAFF OUT DURING THOSE TIMES THAT ARE INDICATED WHERE PRIVATE COACHES MAY BE PRESENT, AND WE WILL INSTRUCT THEM TO

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IF THEY REFUSE TO DO SO, WE CAN ULTIMATELY ASK FOR ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT MEASURES.

TYPICALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT THE COACHES ARE PERHAPS NOT AWARE OF OUR RULES OR NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THEM.

MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE WHEN WE GIVE THEM NOTICE, THEY DO CEASE THAT ACTIVITY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING AN INVESTMENT TO BUILD THESE.

AND I, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A COMMUNITY PARK.

THIS IS CARLSBAD MONEY FOR CARLSBAD COMMUNITY PARKS.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S FOR THEM AND THAT THERE'S NOT FOLKS PROFITING OR, YOU KNOW, FROM CHARGING FOR LESSONS OR, YOU KNOW, GETTING AN INFLUX OF FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR SOME PEOPLE.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

AND FOR THE RECORD, WE DO OFFER PICKLEBALL LESSONS AT OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS IN THE GYMS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER MOVING TO OUTDOOR FACILITIES AS WELL IN THE FUTURE.

GREAT. THANK YOU, MISS BURKHOLDER.

THANKS. WELL, WE ALL REMEMBER HOW EXCITED PICKLEBALLERS WERE, AT OUR LAST MEETINGS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PICKLEBALL.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THRILLED THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMELINE BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO START TOMORROW.

NO, MA'AM. IT WILL NOT.

WITHIN YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE STAFF REPORT, THERE IS A TIME FRAME OF 24 TO 28 MONTHS FOR TOTAL PROJECT DURATION.

SO THAT REALLY STARTS FROM TONIGHT AND GOES THROUGH COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION.

THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF LEGWORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE UP FRONT.

PLANNING AND DESIGN, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, ULTIMATELY COMING BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL OF THE PLANS AND SPECS, PUBLIC BIDDING, AND THEN COMING BACK TO YOU YET AGAIN FOR AUTHORIZATION ON A CONTRACT AND APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS.

SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE LOOKING AT A COUPLE YEAR PERIOD.

WE FULLY INTEND TO MOVE ON IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

BUT THE REALITY IS, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL OTHER ONGOING PARK PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THIS, AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THOSE ON HOLD.

SO THEY'LL BE CONCURRENT PROJECTS, BUT IT'S OUR ABSOLUTE INTENT TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DID ON THIS ONE.

THANK YOU, MISS LUNA.

I THINK. MR. MAYOR, WHEN DID YOU SUGGEST THIS? JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

AND MR. LANCASTER, MR. STUPIN, I THINK, DID A REMARKABLE TURNAROUND TIME TO COME BACK TO US WITH THEIR PROPOSAL.

AND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, THESE ARE COMMUNITY FOR CARLSBAD CITIZENS AND I THINK CARLSBAD CITIZENS ARE VERY GOOD AT MONITORING SELF MONITORING. AND IF SOMEONE IS NOT OF THEIR COMMUNITY, I'M SURE YOU WILL GET PHONE CALLS.

IF NOT, YOU YOU YOU DO SEND FOLKS OUT.

SO, HOPEFULLY THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM, BUT KEEP YOUR EAR TO THE GROUND.

I'M SURE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, I MEAN, IF IT GETS TO BE ABUSED, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE A CHARGE BECAUSE IT IS AN INVESTMENT TO OUR CITIZENS.

BUT IF PEOPLE ARE GET WIND OF IT AND CLUBS ARE COMING AND AND OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY, OUR CITIZENS USING IT, THEN MAYBE THERE'S SOME KIND OF SYSTEM YOU CAN CONTEMPLATE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT WILL ALLOW OUR CITIZENS TO USE IT FREE OF CHARGE.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OUR SPEAKER HAD.

IT'S A WE'RE WE'RE A POPULATED CITY, AND WE'RE ALL KIND OF CRAMMED TOGETHER HERE, AND WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, THIS THE RECREATIONAL SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND STILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE RESIDENTS.

AND I KNOW THAT OUR OUR STAFF HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AT SOUND MITIGATION AND A LOT OF THE OTHER AREAS.

AND I'M GUESSING THAT, IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE A BIG PROBLEM, THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL SOUND MITIGATION THAT CAN BE PUT UP IN THE WAY OF LIKE TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR SHRUBBERY.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AS THE SPEAKER, UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF AND DESIRES OF OUR COMMUNITY WITH THOSE OF THE RESIDENTS.

AND WE TRY TO DO THE BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN.

AND I HOPE YOU CAN TRUST US ON THAT.

LOOKING FOR A MOTION, PLEASE.

MOVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.

THIS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR AGENDA.

[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS]

ONE OF THE COOL THINGS ABOUT BEING THE MAYOR IS I WAS INVITED TO A HUNDRED, YEAR BIRTHDAY.

AT LAKESHORE GARDENS. AND THIS WAS FOR JEANNIE HANSON.

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AND I MADE THAT COMMENT TO HER DAUGHTER.

I SAID, GOSH, YOUR MOM IS SPUNKY.

AND SHE GOES, YOU DON'T KNOW THE HALF OF IT.

HER DRIVER'S LICENSE EXPIRED ON HER 100TH BIRTHDAY, WHICH WAS THIS LAST WEEK.

BUT THE DAY BEFORE HER 100TH BIRTHDAY, SHE DROVE AROUND IN HER CAR AS HER LAST HURRAH FOR DRIVING.

AND THEN SHE SAID, AND YOU TALK ABOUT SPUNKY.

THAT'S HER CAR OVER THERE.

IT WAS A MUSTANG CONVERTIBLE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JEANNIE HANSON.

I WAS VERY IMPRESSED.

MISS BHAT-PATEL, THANK YOU.

THAT'S REALLY EXCITING THAT YOU GOT TO ATTEND THAT.

AND IT'S ALWAYS FUN TO CELEBRATE FOLKS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO, JUST WANTED TO REPORT OUT ON SOME OF THE COMMITTEES THAT I SIT ON.

WE HAD OUR LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES DIVISION MEETING.

WE WERE VISITED BY OUR PRESIDENT FOR CAL CITIES YESTERDAY, AND WE GOT AN UPDATE ON A REGIONAL PROGRAM THAT MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY BEING MADE FOR ONCOMING OR INCOMING ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO, DEFINITELY WAS A PACKED AND EXCITING MEETING WITH REGARDS TO CAL CITIES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. ACOSTA AND I BOTH WILL BE IN FISH CAMP FOR OUR BOARD MEETING NEXT WEEK.

SO THAT'LL BE GOOD BECAUSE WE'LL BE DISCUSSING MANY OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'LL BE WORKING ON FOR CITIES, CONTINUING TO WORK ON FOR CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AND THEN I HAVE AN NCTD BOARD MEETING, THIS COMING THURSDAY, AND THEN ALSO HAVE A, A NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING NEXT WEEK AND ANOTHER LAUSANNE BOARD MEETING AS WELL, NEXT WEEK.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

I ALSO WANT TO QUICKLY TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WISH THOSE THAT WERE CELEBRATING A HAPPY LUNAR NEW YEAR.

AND OF COURSE, THE VALENTINE VALENTINE'S DAY AND PRESIDENT'S DAY ARE ALSO COMING UP, SO I HOPE YOU ENJOY THOSE AS WELL.

MR. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

JUST TO RUN DOWN A FEW OF MY COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT REPORTS THIS MORNING, THE CITY COUNCIL LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE MET HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS.

WE HAD A REALLY GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR UPCOMING SUPPORT POSITIONS, AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT BILLS ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTED.

THE BILL DEADLINE IS NEXT WEEK OR AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, SO WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, WHAT SOME OF THOSE BILLS MAY BE, BUT THERE ARE SOME IN PROGRESS AND THE CITY IS CO-SPONSORING, ONE OF THE E-BIKE SAFETY BILLS.

THAT'S ONE THAT ASSEMBLY MEMBER TASHA BOERNER HAS BEEN WORKING ON.

SHE HAS BEEN ONE OF HER BIG TOPICS OF, OF HER LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO WE ARE SUPPORTING THAT.

AND WE, ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE BIKE LANES AND COASTAL ZONES.

SENATOR BLAKE SPEER HAS A BILL IN THE SECOND YEAR OF A TWO YEAR SESSION IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING ON THAT.

SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW THINGS HAPPENING.

I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CHECK OUT THE VIDEO.

IT'S ON OUR CITY WEBSITE AND PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS COME.

WE MEET, I WAS GOING TO SAY, EVERY MONTH, BUT SOMETIMES, IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT EVERY MONTH, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE CITY WEBSITE FOR THOSE DATES, AND YOU CAN ATTEND AND GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT OR WATCH IT LATER ON OUR CITY WEBSITE.

SO WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.

I ALSO ATTENDED THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES SAN DIEGO COUNTY DIVISION MEETING YESTERDAY, AND IT WAS REALLY GREAT.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE BOARD MEETING FOR THE STATEWIDE ORGANIZATION NEXT WEEK.

THE NORTH COUNTY DISPATCH JOINT POWERS AUTHORITY IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES ALL OF THE 911 DISPATCH SERVICES FOR FIRE FOR NORTH COUNTY, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THAT BOARD MEETING NEXT WEEK.

THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY LAST WEEK HAD AN ALL DAY BOARD MEETING ON THURSDAY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT LONG RANGE PLANNING FOR OUR OUR RATES. IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT TO PREDICT WHAT THE WEATHER IS GOING TO BE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS, FLOODING, DROUGHT.

IT'S JUST SO HARD.

AND SOMETIMES OUR PROJECTIONS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TEN, 20 YEARS OUT ARE OFF, REALLY OFF.

SO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT RATEPAYERS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB FOR CARLSBAD AND OUR RESPECTIVE CITIES. THAT'S A 35 MEMBER BOARD.

SO WE'RE ONE OF MANY, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO AN EXCITING, VALENTINE'S AND, AND, WEEK WITH THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES.

AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CALL ME DURING MY OFFICE HOURS ON THURSDAY AFTERNOONS OR SET UP A MEETING WITH ME IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO DISCUSS.

THANKS. MISS BURKHOLDER.

THANKS. JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON MY COLLEAGUES LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT, AND GIVING A BRIEF REPORT OF MY ACTIVITIES, AB 1011 IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE ARE

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AND I'M EXCITED THAT IT IS A BIPARTISAN EFFORT IN SACRAMENTO, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.

ADDITIONALLY, MY COLLEAGUE, BHAT-PATEL AND I HAD A MEETING WITH NCTD.

I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEIR LEADERSHIP AND JUST EXPRESS SOME OF OUR CONCERNS RELATIVE TO TRANSIT AND THE RAIL.

SO THAT WAS IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND PUT A FACE WITH A NAME THAT HE'S AN INTERIM.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

BUT I THINK YOU SAID THERE'S A NEW ONE STARTING.

BUT ANYWAY, WE GOT A MEETING TOGETHER AND THAT WAS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FEAT IN AND OF ITSELF.

SO HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR WEEK AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK, MISS LUNA.

I'M NOT GOING TO SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

NO COMMENT. THANK YOU.

CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY.

NOTHING. THANK YOU. CITY CLERK.

WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.