8. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN APPEAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER’S DECISION TO APPROVE THE GRADING FINAL PUNCH LIST, RELEASE SECURITIES AND APPROVE THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR GRADING PERMIT NO. GR2021-0016

[8. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN APPEAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER’S DECISION TO APPROVE THE GRADING FINAL PUNCH LIST, RELEASE SECURITIES AND APPROVE THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR GRADING PERMIT NO. GR2021-0016]

NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

CITY MANAGER, PLEASE.

YES, SIR. ITEM EIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN APPEAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER'S DECISION TO APPROVE THE GRADING FINAL PUNCH LIST, RELEASE SECURITIES AND APPROVE THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE PUBLIC.

IMPROVEMENTS FOR GRADING PERMIT NUMBER GR 2021, DASH 0016.

FOR THE PRESENTATION, IT'LL BE A PAZ GOMEZ AS WELL AS OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, GINA HERRERA.

AND THIS IS A PUBLIC INPUT.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE WOULD ASK TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.

EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR.

I NEED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

I WON'T BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS BECAUSE I OWN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY NEARBY.

OKAY. DOES SHE NEED TO STEP OFF THE DAIS? YES, YES, SHE NEEDS TO STEP OFF HIS DAIS AND LEAVE THE ROOM.

YOU CAN TAKE OFF THESE. PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS PAZ GOMEZ, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

AND WITH ME IS GINA HERRERA, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

AS A REMINDER, OUR APPEAL PROCEDURE IS GOING TO BE STAFF WILL MAKE OUR PRESENTATION COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

THEN THE APPELLANT WILL, REPRESENTING MR. AND MRS. EDWARDS WILL HAVE A TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION.

THEN THE APPLICANT, MR. AND MRS. SARAM WILL ALSO HAVE TEN MINUTES TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

THEN THE MAYOR WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM SPEAKERS AND THEN THE MAYOR WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COUNCIL WILL HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION AND DECISION.

SO AS BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

SCOTT AND KIRA SARAM OWN A PROPERTY AT 4005 SKYLINE ROAD IN 2020.

THE SIRENS BEGAN TO PROCESS TO REDEVELOP THEIR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

NEIGHBORS RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE PROJECT IN EARLY 2020.

A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN OCTOBER OF 2020, AND A GRADING PERMIT WAS ISSUED A YEAR LATER IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021.

THE PROJECT TOOK ALMOST TWO YEARS TO CONSTRUCT AND COMPLETE.

THE FINAL PUNCH LIST WAS COMPLETED ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2023.

BOTH THE CASH DEPOSIT OF OVER 65,000 AND THE GRADING BOND OF OVER $586,000 WERE RELEASED ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023.

BOTH THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WERE ALSO SIGNED ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023.

WE ARE. WE HAVE THE CITY ENGINEER DESIGNEE REPRESENTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND THAT WAS ME.

BECAUSE WE HAD A VACANCY IN OUR ENGINEERING MANAGER POSITION IN CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND INSPECTION DEPARTMENT AT THAT MOMENT.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISS HERRERA.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, MAYOR.

PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2023, ATTORNEYS ON BEHALF OF JOSH AND TERRY EDWARDS, THE OWNERS OF A DOWNHILL NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, FILED AN APPEAL OBJECTING TO THE DECISIONS OF THE CITY ENGINEER RELATED TO THE COMPLETION OF THE GRADING PERMIT.

THE APPEAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS NARROW AND ONLY PERTAINS TO THE COMPLETION OF THE FINAL PUNCH LIST RELEASE OF THE SECURITIES.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SECURITIES, WE MEAN THE CASH AND THE BOND AND APPROVAL OF THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THESE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU ARE MINISTERIAL DECISIONS THAT ARE PROCEDURAL IN NATURE.

MINISTERIAL MEANS NON-DISCRETIONARY.

AND THEY'RE THEY'RE BASED ON FIXED, OBJECTIVE STANDARDS.

THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR REVIEWING MINISTERIAL DECISIONS IS WHETHER THE DECISION MAKER FOLLOWED THE APPLICABLE LAW, AND WHETHER THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE FACTS ON WHICH THE DECISION MAKER RELIED.

SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE MEANS MORE THAN A MERE SCINTILLA, BUT LESS THAN A PREPONDERANCE.

HERE, THE CITY ENGINEER'S DESIGNEE, MISS GOMEZ, RELIED ON THE THREE REPORTS WELL, AND OTHERS RELIED ON THE REPORTS LISTED BELOW

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TO COMPLETE THE MINISTERIAL ACTION, AND THESE THREE REPORTS HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED IN THE MATERIALS FOR THE AGENDA REPORT.

SO THEY WERE THE COMPLETION OF THE FINAL SOILS REPORT, THE AS BUILT DRAWINGS AND COMPLETE AS BUILT PROCESS, AS WELL AS THE BMP CERTIFICATION REPORT WITH PHOTOS AND THE DATES OF WHICH THEY WERE APPROVED ARE PROVIDED ON THE SLIDE.

THE AFTER THE FINAL PUNCH LIST WAS COMPLETE.

THE MINISTERIAL ACTIONS THAT FOLLOWED THE COMPLETION OF THE THE PUNCH LIST, WHICH ARE BEING APPEALED, ARE, AS MISS GOMEZ SAID, THE RELEASE OF THE CASH DEPOSIT, THE GRADING BOND, THE FILING OF THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

WE ARE BOTH AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? OKAY. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MR. EDWARDS OR YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.

THEY'LL HAVE TEN MINUTES, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I PREPARED A SHORT PRESENTATION.

I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

AND THEN IN THE REMAINING TIME, ASK MY REPRESENTATIVE LEE, TO MAKE SOME SUPPLEMENTAL COMMENTS.

MY NAME IS JOSH EDWARDS.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN CARLSBAD FOR OVER 20 YEARS, THE LAST 15 OF WHICH HAVE BEEN AT OUR CURRENT RESIDENCE, 4020 SUNNY HILL AVENUE.

AS MENTIONED, WE ARE DOWNGRADE FROM THE 4005 SKYLINE, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE'RE HAVING TREMENDOUS PROBLEM WITH.

AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED WITH A PACKAGE OF INFORMATION, INCLUDING, AMONG OTHER THINGS, VIDEO OF EXCESSIVE RUNOFF ONTO OUR PROPERTY FROM 4005 SKYLINE POST CONSTRUCTION AND A PRELIMINARY FINDINGS LETTER FROM A CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WE ENGAGED CALLED NGO.

PRIOR TO THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WE HAD VERY LITTLE WATER RUNNING UNDER OUR PROPERTY FROM 4005 SKYLINE.

THE REASON WAS BECAUSE IT IS ESSENTIALLY A DOUBLE LOT THAT WAS EMPTY, UNIMPROVED, WITH A VERY SMALL RESIDENCE THAT SAT AT THE VERY TOP OF SKYLINE.

AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT MATERIALS YOU RECEIVED, THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED AN EMAIL COPY TO THE CITY CLERK AS PART OF TONIGHT'S HEARING, WHICH WAS AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN US, MYSELF AND 2020, WHERE I CITED ISSUES WITH SUNNY HILL OWNERS HAVING TO DEAL WITH RUNOFF FROM SKYLINE.

THE FACTUAL CONTEXT OF THAT REFERENCE AS IT RELATES TO OUR PROPERTY, IS THAT WE HAD MEANINGFUL RUNOFF ISSUES IN THE PAST FROM OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR.

3975 SKYLINE, WHICH IS THE COVIELLO PROPERTY WITH ONLY MODERATE RUNOFF FROM 4005 SKYLINE.

THE COLONIALS HAVE DONE A COMMENDABLE JOB MITIGATING THE PROBLEM.

SUCH WE GET NO WATER RUNOFF FROM THAT PROPERTY.

NOW ALL THE WATER IS COMING FROM 4005 SKYLINE.

AND IT'S EXPONENTIALLY IN EXCESS OF PRE-CONSTRUCTION LEVELS.

ROLL FORWARD TO MID 2022.

CONSTRUCTION BEGINS WHERE THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER CONSTRUCTS.

A VERY LARGE RESIDENCE THAT IS LITERALLY TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF THE PRIOR DWELLING.

INSTALLS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING A FULL SIZE CONCRETE PICKLEBALL COURT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY LINE.

THE CONSTRUCTION INCLUDES BACKFILLING AND RAISING THE GRADIENT.

SO NOW IT DROPS 24FT BETWEEN THE MAIN PART OF THE RESIDENCE AND OUR FENCE LINE, AND 34FT FROM THE SKYLINE ROAD ITSELF.

NOW, WHEN IT RAINS MORE THAN AN INCH, WE GET HUNDREDS OF GALLONS OF WATER CONCENTRATED RUNOFF THAT'S CAUSED EROSION AND DAMAGE TO OUR PROPERTY.

AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE EVERY TIME THERE'S A STORM EVENT.

THIS IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCES, AND IT'S ALSO ILLEGAL.

WE ASKED. IT WAS ASKED BY ME WHETHER WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL REMEDIES AVAILABLE TO US THROUGH THE CITY.

THE ANSWER IS YES.

WE HAVE EXCHANGED NUMEROUS EMAILS WITH STAFF, SUBMITTED MULTIPLE VIDEO CLIPS EVIDENCING THE EXTREME RUNOFF.

WE'VE MET WITH DAVID RICK, ENGINEER BABAK TAJ, WHO'S NO LONGER WITH THE STAFF, NICK TOLEDO.

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AND MISS GOMEZ.

WE ALSO HAVE HAD DIRECT INTERACTION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEIR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HIS CONTRACTORS.

ALONG THEIR WAY. THERE HAVE BEEN APOLOGIES BY THE STAFF ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN CHALLENGING.

THOSE ARE MY WORDS BECAUSE THE CITY STAFF SHORTAGES, JUGGLING ALL THE DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, COMMERCIAL AND OTHERWISE.

THE PROJECT OWNER HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BROUGHT LEGAL CLAIMS AGAINST CONTRACTORS AFTER THE DESIGN ENGINEER CERTIFIED THEIR FINAL GRADING REPORT AND THE CITY SIGNED OFF.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

WE HAVE TO LODGE THIS APPEAL.

WE HAD TO FILE THIS APPEAL BECAUSE AS RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS OF CARLSBAD, WE ARE AFFORDED CERTAIN RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS.

THIS INCLUDES HAVING AN IMPARTIAL GROUP OF OUR PEERS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO OBJECTIVELY EVALUATE THE FACTS RELATING TO THIS CASE.

THE CITY STAFF, MEANWHILE, IS CHARGED WITH MONITORING AND ENFORCING COMPLIANCE WITH CITY CODES AND ORDINANCES ORDINANCES BECAUSE THEY WERE KNEE DEEP IN THIS PROJECT.

AND THEY ADMIT IT WAS A CHALLENGE.

AGAIN, MY WORDS, THERE'S AN INHERENT CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT STAFF CANNOT, IN GOOD FAITH, MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

I WAS ADVISED AT ONE POINT THAT THE CITY QUOTE CANNOT DELAY THE APPROVAL PROCESS DUE TO CONCERNS WITH OUR CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT DESIGN.

WHY IS THAT? MY PROPERTY HAS BEEN DAMAGED AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE EROSION PROBLEMS AND THE PROPERTIES VALUES POTENTIALLY IMPAIRED.

AS A AS A RESULT, IT'S WITHIN MY RIGHTS AS A AS AN IMPACTED NEIGHBOR OR RESIDENT TO CHALLENGE THIS PROCESS.

IN SUMMARY, WHILE IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR YOU AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SHOW DEFERENCE TO STAFF BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, THEY'RE NOT ENGINEERS.

THEY'RE NOT CONSTRUCTION EXPERTS.

I'M ASKING YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PLEASE OBJECTIVELY EVALUATE THE FACTS AS IMPARTIAL AND DISINTERESTED PARTIES.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE AN ENGINEER.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A TECHNICAL EXPERT.

PLEASE PROTECT MY RIGHTS AS A CARLSBAD RESIDENT AND PROPERTY OWNER, AND PLEASE HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL.

PLEASE INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO REOPEN THIS PROJECT FILE.

LET US WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING DESIGN FIRM.

BRING IN OUR CIVIL ENGINEER.

WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A SOLUTION.

WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT THIS EXTENSIVE SYSTEM BE TORN UP OR REBUILT.

WE JUST. IT DOESN'T WORK AND IT'S FAILED.

AND WE'RE HAVING SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS AND WE'VE BEEN IMPACTED.

SO IN THE TIME WE HAVE LEFT, I'D LIKE TO, MY REPRESENTATIVE LEE, TO JUST MAKE SOME OTHER COMMENTS.

GOOD EVENING.

LEE ANDELIN OF ANNA ANDELIN AND CORN.

I REPRESENT THE EDWARDS.

I MISSED THE CUT OFF TO LOAD A POWERPOINT, SO UNFORTUNATELY WE COULDN'T SHOW VIDEO.

BUT I DID PROVIDE PAPER COPIES OF OUR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

BUT YOU CAN SEE EVEN IN THE STILL IMAGES IN THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE RIVER OF WATER THAT'S FLOWING, OF CONCENTRATED RUNOFF FLOWING OFF THE SERUM'S PROPERTY, ONTO THE EDWARDS PROPERTY.

IT YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE FIRST SLIDE AS WELL AS THE SECOND SLIDE.

THE EDWARDS HAVE TRIED TO BLOCK THAT FLOW, AND IT'S FUTILE.

IT'S IT CLEARLY ISN'T FUNCTIONING THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED, THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH YOUR OWN EYES.

AND WHAT IS THE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT STAFF IS RELYING ON? THEY'RE RELYING ON BASICALLY THE ONLY THING THAT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THE TOLL ENGINEERING LETTER.

THIS IS ON SLIDE THREE.

AND IT STATES THE PERMANENT BMPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT ARE FUNCTIONAL.

THEY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, INSPECTED AND ARE IN FULL CONFORMANCE WITH THE APPROVED GRADING PLANS AND CITY STANDARDS.

THIS APPEARS TO BE INTENTIONALLY VAGUE.

IT'S WRITTEN IN THE PASSIVE VOICE, AND IT RAISES OR IT LEAVES OUT ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE ASKING.

WHO INSPECTED THIS PROPERTY AND WHEN WAS IT INSPECTED? WAS IT INSPECTED DURING CONSTRUCTION? THAT'S CRITICAL BECAUSE ONCE THINGS ARE BURIED, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO A PROPER INSPECTION.

WAS THERE ANY TESTING DONE? THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO ANY TESTING HAVING BEEN DONE.

BUT IF THERE WAS, HOW DID IT PERFORM AND AGAINST WHAT STANDARDS? WE FOUND COMPLAINTS FILED BY THE SERUMS AGAINST THEIR OWN CONTRACTORS, THEIR GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND THE LANDSCAPING SUBCONTRACTOR. AND I HAVE AN EXCERPT ON PAGE FOUR THAT I WON'T READ IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, BUT IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.

BUT THEY ALLEGE THAT THERE WAS FLOODING AND DAMAGE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE EDWARDS PROPERTY.

IT ALLEGES THAT THEIR GENERAL CONTRACTOR DID NOT FOLLOW THE BMPS REQUIRED BY THE GRADING PERMIT AND DID NOT CONSTRUCT THE

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DRAINAGE SYSTEM ACCORDING TO THE PLANS.

AND IN FACT THEY STATE THAT THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR TOLD THEM THAT THE SYSTEM HAD BEEN INSPECTED AND APPROVED, BUT THAT THAT THAT WAS FALSE.

THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR WAS LYING TO THEM.

THE NEXT PAGE. SLIDE FIVE.

THIS IS A SEPARATE COMPLAINT THAT WAS FILED AGAINST THE LANDSCAPING SUBCONTRACTOR BY THE SERUMS. AND THEY ALLEGE THAT THE LANDSCAPING CONTRACTOR WHO WAS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING THIS SYSTEM, IT DID NOT DO IT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOLL ENGINEERING PLANS AND CITY OF CARLSBAD GRADING PERMIT.

AND ALSO THAT IT WAS NOT INSPECTED BY TOLL ENGINEERING AND THEY CALLED IT A MONUMENTAL FAILURE.

ON SLIDE SIX.

THEY ATTEMPTED TO REPAIR THE SYSTEM AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO DO SO.

IN LIGHT OF THIS, I DON'T THINK THE VAGUE STATEMENT BY TOLLE ENGINEERING IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

YOU NEED TO REQUIRE MORE.

THE STANDARD IS THAT POST CONSTRUCTION RUNOFF CANNOT EXCEED PRE-CONSTRUCTION RUNOFF BY 10%.

WE'VE GOT. 1,000% INCREASE IN RUNOFF.

IT'S LIKE I SAID, A LITERAL RIVER OF WATER THAT FLOWS EVERY TIME THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT.

THE FACT THAT PERMITS WERE APPROVED DOES NOT RELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS FROM COMPLIANCE WITH.

STAY AVAILABLE.

WE'LL OFFER THE COUNCIL TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS AFTER WE HEAR FROM MR. SARAM AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE.

THANK YOU. AND JUST A REMINDER. YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES.

THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR, MAYOR, PRO TEM COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MR. EDWARDS. HELLO.

MR. ANDREWS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I'M HERE TODAY WITH MY ATTORNEY, STEVE GRIBBIN, WHO ACTUALLY FILED THOSE LAWSUITS THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AND THE CONTRACTOR WHO ACTUALLY FINISHED THE JOB, NICK BOWMAN WITH NICK BOWMAN CONSTRUCTION.

SO THOSE FOLKS ARE HERE TODAY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

ANY THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE.

MY NAME IS SCOTT SARUM.

I'M THE OWNER OF 4005 SKYLINE ROAD.

I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN 2019, AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN CARLSBAD, RAISING OUR FOUR BOYS FOR THE LAST 24 YEARS.

THE EDWARDS APPEAL SHOULD BE DENIED.

IT'S NOT TIMELY AND IT'S NOT BASED ON ANY SALIENT FACTS.

ON APRIL 25TH, IN 2020, WHEN WE STARTED ON OUR JOURNEY TO BUILDING THIS NEW HOME, WE MAILED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION REQUIREMENTS NOTICE TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

I THINK IT MUST HAVE BEEN ROUGHLY 500 LETTERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE SENT OUT PLANS SO THAT ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS COULD SEE WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING AND COMMENT ON IT. WE RECEIVED SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS.

PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE PROPERTY, BUT REALLY THE ONLY DIRECT MESSAGE I RECEIVED WAS WAS FROM MR. EDWARDS, AND IT WAS AN EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED ON MAY 1ST.

AND SO I WAS VERY HAPPY TO MEET WITH HIM.

AND WE WENT DOWN AND HAD MARGARITAS WITH HIM AND HIS WIFE AT THE AT THE FENCE.

AND WANTED TO HEAR WHAT HE HAD TO SAY, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE EMAIL THAT HE SENT, WHICH WAS ON MAY 1ST AND I THINK IT'S ON I FORGET PAGE 134 OR SOMETHING OF THE OF THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

MR. EDWARDS, HE DESCRIBED AS HISTORICAL WATER ISSUES AND THE IMPACT OF A RECENT HEAVY RAINFALL THAT DAMAGED HIS PROPERTY.

HE TOLD ME HE WANTS TO WORK TOGETHER TO PUT PRESSURE ON ALL YOU.

SO THAT WE WOULD BUILD SOME SORT OF A CEMENT GUTTER.

YOU KNOW, FOR HIS PROPERTY.

ALSO, HE WANTED TO HAVE A DRAIN FROM MY PROPERTY THAT DUMPED STORMWATER INTO THE DRAIN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY.

SO I ACTUALLY SAID, GREAT, LET'S WORK TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M.

I WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

I WANT TO WORK TOGETHER.

SO WHAT I DID IS WE TOOK MR. EDWARDS IDEA.

I WENT AND WORKED WITH THE CITY ENGINEER, MR. RICK. DAVID. RICK.

AND I SPENT MONEY WITH MY ENGINEERING GROUP, TOLL ENGINEERING, TO ENGINEER THIS EXACT THING THAT MR. EDWARDS SUGGESTED.

SO I SAID, GREAT.

HERE WE GO. LET'S DO WHAT YOU WANT, MR. EDWARDS. BUT THE PROBLEM WAS, IN ORDER FOR ME TO PUT THE DRAIN IN THAT WENT ACROSS HIS PROPERTY, MR. RICK REQUIRED THAT I HAD AN EASEMENT.

SO. BECAUSE. BECAUSE I HAD TO MAINTAIN IT.

SO I WENT TO MR. EDWARDS. I SAID, HEY, THIS IS THE PLAN.

THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED.

WE'RE. MR. RICK SAYS IT'S OKAY.

HE GOES, YEAH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT, SO LET'S NOT DO THAT.

SO BY AROUND JULY OF 2020, I WAS LEFT WITH REALLY NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

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AND THAT'S WHERE THE WATER RETENTION SYSTEM AND PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

THAT'S HOW IT CAME TO BE.

SO MR. EDWARDS AGAIN, HE DECIDED AGAINST THE EASEMENT.

BUT WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW, AND NOW I DO KNOW.

AFTER READING THE STAFF REPORT, AS OF JUNE 17TH, 2020, MR. EDWARDS TOOK A PRETTY ACTIVE ROLE IN TALKING TO THE CITY ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS, AND IN FACT, I THINK HAD SOME GREAT ACCESS TO THE CITY, TALKING TO THE CITY ENGINEERS AND AND THE INSPECTORS STARTING THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

BUT ON OCTOBER 7TH, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OCTOBER 7TH, 2020, WE WORKED WITH CHRIS GARCIA AT THE CITY, AND WE PUT TOGETHER OUR PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

WE PROVIDED PLENTY OF NOTICE, AND ON OCTOBER 7TH, THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION MET.

THERE WAS NO OBJECTIONS.

IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

MR. EDWARDS HAD PLENTY OF NOTICE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.

HE DIDN'T SHOW UP THAT DAY TO TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

AND HE DIDN'T GO.

HE DIDN'T SHOW UP TEN DAYS LATER TO APPEAL IT.

SO MR. EDWARDS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT TO SAY SOMETHING.

HE CHOSE TO BACK CHANNEL IT TO THE CITY AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH DUE PROCESS.

THE GRADING PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN SEPTEMBER 21ST.

AGAIN, HE WAS IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH THE CITY STARTING IN IN JUNE.

ON JUNE 17TH, 2020.

AND IT LASTED REALLY FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

MR. EDWARDS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL THE GRADING PERMIT, AND HE DIDN'T.

AGAIN TEN DAYS AFTER THAT.

BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT, HE TALKED TO THESE FOLKS ALL THE TIME.

WELL, THEY WERE CONSIDERING OUR GRADING PERMIT.

GUESS WHAT? THEY STILL APPROVED IT.

THEY APPROVED THE GRADING PERMIT AND WE RECEIVED IT.

THE EDWARDS HIRED AN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.

GUESS WHAT? THEY AGREED WITH THE HYDROLOGY REPORT.

AND THEY ALSO AGREED THAT THE WAY THAT OUR WATER RETENTION BASIN IS DESIGNED IS GOOD.

WHAT THEY BASICALLY THEY HIS HIS CONSULTANT BASICALLY BASELESSLY CLAIMS THAT THE WORK OF THE FOUR ENGINEERS, THE LICENSED ENGINEERS THAT WERE ACTUALLY WORKING ON OUR PROJECT AND INSPECTING AND PUTTING THEIR STAMPS ON, AND THAT AFTER PHYSICALLY INSPECTING THINGS, THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEIR JUDGMENT WAS WRONG AND THAT THE CITY ENGINEER'S JUDGMENT IS WRONG AND THAT THE CITY INSPECTOR'S JUDGMENT IS WRONG.

THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS.

WHEN I HEARD WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, I WAS CRACKING UP BECAUSE BECAUSE OF I MEAN, I THINK THE CITY IS JUST VERY DILIGENT.

THEY WERE DOING THEY WERE AT THE PROPERTY ALL THE TIME INSPECTING EVERYTHING.

BUT WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT OVER HERE WAS KIND OF FUNNY TO ME THAT THE THEY THOUGHT THAT THE CITY WOULD JUST SORT OF WILLY NILLY LET ANYTHING HAPPEN.

IN FACT, I WOULD ARGUE IT WAS ON THE OTHER END OF IT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE SCRUTINY THAT MR. EDWARDS HAS BROUGHT ON THIS.

WE WERE UNDER A MICROSCOPE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE WELL, AGAIN, REAL QUICK, MR. EDWARDS BASED THEIR CLAIM ON THE FALSE PREMISE THAT THE WATER RETENTION BASIN DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE IT HAS SILT.

THAT'S WRONG.

ON JUNE 22ND, I HIRED DRAVES WITH DRAVES PIPELINE, WHO DOES A TON OF WORK FOR THE CITY.

THEY WENT AND THEY REMOVED ALL THE SILT THAT WAS A RESULT OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS JUST NORMAL WHEN YOU DO THIS.

MR. DELETO AND MR. RICK WOULD NOT HAVE SIGNED OFF ON THE PERMIT UNLESS WE DID THAT.

WE DID THAT ON JUNE 22ND.

WE PAID ABOUT $4,000 TO HAVE IT DONE, AND I SUBMITTED PICTURES LAST NIGHT OF THE ACTUAL WORK IN AN EMAIL.

THE SECOND THING IS THEY SAID THE EMITTERS ARE NOT LEVEL.

WELL, INITIALLY BECAUSE OF THE LAWSUIT THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

HE'S RIGHT. THEY WEREN'T INITIALLY WHEN WE FIRST GOT IT IN.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ACTUALLY HAD MR. BOWMAN CHECK IT OUT.

HE SAID THESE THINGS DON'T LOOK RIGHT.

WE THEN HAD THE ENGINEERS COME AND LOOK AT IT AND THEY SAID, IT'S NOT RIGHT.

AND THEY FIXED IT SO THAT WHEN THE CITY ENGINEERS CAME THROUGH AND THE CITY INSPECTOR CAME THROUGH AND OUR ENGINEERS CAME THROUGH, IT WAS ALL DONE CORRECTLY ACCORDING TO THE PLAN.

AND THEN YOU KNOW, FINALLY IT'S JUST THE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THEY JUST IT'S NOT BASED ON ANY INSPECTIONS THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.

SO WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE EXECUTED ON THE GRADING PLAN EXERCISING OUR VESTED RIGHTS AS A DEVELOPER.

THE PROJECT WAS REGULARLY INSPECTED FOR BMPS AND COMPLIANCE DURING CONSTRUCTION.

AND AGAIN, WE WENT UNDER MAJOR SCRUTINY BECAUSE OF THE EDWARDS INVOLVEMENT.

IN FACT, I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW SHANITA GRANBERRY EXTREMELY WELL WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY, AND SHE'S SHE'S THE MANAGER OF THE BNP PROCESS.

SHANITA AND HER STAFF WERE AT OUR PROPERTY AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, SOMETIMES TWICE, SOMETIMES THREE TIMES A WEEK DURING CONSTRUCTION.

AND NOT ONCE DID WE EVER RECEIVE ANY SORT OF A CITATION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS FOR NOT HAVING PROPER BMPS.

OUR GRADING, OUR GRADING PERMIT WAS SIGNED OFF ON ON AUGUST 29TH.

THE EDWARDS COULD HAVE APPEALED, BUT THEY DIDN'T.

THEY JUST WANT TO COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

THE CHECKLIST WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2023.

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THEY COULD HAVE APPEALED.

THEY DIDN'T.

THE GRADING, BOND AND DEPOSIT WERE RELEASED, ALL BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS PRECEDENT WERE MET.

THIS WAS A MINISTERIAL TASK AS DESCRIBED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THERE'S REALLY NO DISCRETION INVOLVED IN THIS.

WE WE DID EXACTLY WHAT WAS REQUIRED.

WE EXERCISED OUR VESTED RIGHTS.

AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, AT THE 11TH HOUR, WE GET SOME SORT OF HALF BAKED SOMETHING FROM THEIR ENGINEER WHO DIDN'T INSPECT ANYTHING BUT AGREES WITH ALL OF MY ENGINEER'S ASSUMPTIONS. SO WHAT'S THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION HERE? THE GRADING PLAN ALLOWED FOR 14,100FT² OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, AND WHAT WE ENDED UP INSTALLING WAS 11,700. SO WE ACTUALLY WE INSTALLED 17% LESS IMPERVIOUS SPACE THAN WHAT WAS THAN WHAT WE COULD HAVE THAN WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE. SO ACTUALLY, WE'VE IMPROVED THE FLOW OF THE PROPERTY BY ABOUT 17% OF WHAT IT INITIALLY WAS.

WE INSTALLED AN APPROACH TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT STOPPED ALL OF THE HYDROLOGY FROM THE SKYLINE PROPERTY THAT THAT WAS GOING DOWN AND CAUSING A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR, FOR MR. EDWARDS. THE ACTUALLY THE THE ULTIMATE TEST WAS HURRICANE HILARY.

THAT HAPPENED ON AUGUST 20TH OF THIS YEAR OF 2023, NOT THIS YEAR, WHERE WE RECEIVED 2.47IN OF RAIN.

AND THE SYSTEM PERFORMED BEAUTIFULLY.

IN FACT, I BELIEVE THE EDWARDS HAD TALKED TO BABAK ABOUT IT AND HE SAYS, YEAH, ISN'T IT BEAUTIFUL? LOOKS GREAT. THE THING WORKS EXACTLY AS PLANNED.

THE LAWSUITS AGAINST BMG CONSTRUCTION AND CW LANDSCAPE, THE REASON THAT WE FILED THOSE LAWSUITS IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PERFORM.

BUT THE REASON I'M SUING THEM IS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET COMPENSATED FOR ALL THE EXTRA MONEY I HAD TO SPEND TO CORRECT IT ALL.

SO IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO TO, YOU KNOW, TO REFERENCE THOSE LAWSUITS DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

WE GOT IT FIXED.

THE CITY EXERCISED THE DUE DILIGENCE, AND ALL OF THE ENGINEERS ACTUALLY DID AS WELL.

SO. ONE THING.

THE LAST BIT HERE IS THAT THE CITY GRANTS THIS APPEAL.

YOU WILL BE UNDERMINING, ABSOLUTELY UNDERMINING, ANY FUTURE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT IN CARLSBAD.

IF YOU ALLOW SOME RESIDENT TO COME IN AND NOT FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND INTERJECT THEM.

PLEASE WAIT AND I WILL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE DO NOT. OKAY, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

FROM COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, THE APPELLANT OR THE APPEAL FROM ANYBODY? NO. OKAY.

I HAVE JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS.

I FEEL THE FRUSTRATION OF OF MR. EDWARDS. HE SAYS THAT THERE'S MORE THAN A 10% INCREASE IN WATER RUNOFF.

AND THE I GUESS FROM LISTENING TO THEM, THE SOLUTION WAS SOMETHING THAT PIPE THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH MR. EDWARDS YARD, BUT HE HAD TO GIVE UP AN EASEMENT FOR THAT AND CHOSE NOT TO.

IS DOES THE CITY GET INVOLVED IN ANY KIND OF MEDIATION TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION? EVEN IF EVERYTHING WAS DONE CORRECTLY AND THE CITY SIGNED OFF ON IT, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY AVENUE FOR GOING OUT AND COMING UP WITH OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORS? TO STAY GOOD NEIGHBORS? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PROCESS WHEN THE WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS SUBMIT THEIR PLANS AND THE INTERACTION WITH THEM.

IS MR. GELDART HERE? OH, HERE HE COMES. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE DURING THE PLAN CHECK PROCESS.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE.

OH. I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS JASON GELDART.

I'M ENGINEERING MANAGER OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING DIVISION.

WE'RE THE ONES THAT REVIEW THE DESIGN AND APPROVE THE PERMITS FOR GRADING AND RIGHT OF WAY AND MAPS.

AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, IT'S TYPICALLY THE APPLICANT.

AND WE AND THEY AND AS DAVID, RICK OR ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS SUGGESTED, A BETTER SOLUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO TAKE THE WATER DIRECTLY TO THE STREET FROM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EDWARDS PROPERTY.

WHEN EDWARDS WHEN MR. EDWARDS DECLINED TO ALLOW THE EASEMENT, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE THAT WE COULD PROBABLY MEDIATE ON THAT IF THEY IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

WE DO SUGGEST IT. WE DO WE DO GIVE SUGGESTIONS ON ON DESIGN COMPONENTS IF THINGS AREN'T WORKING.

BUT AS FAR AS DIRECT MEDIATION AND CALLING, WE WERE KIND OF LIMITED ON THAT.

IF MR.. IS IT TOO LATE FOR MR. EDWARDS TO CHANGE HIS MIND ON THAT? IF HE CHOOSES TO.

THE EASEMENT. KNOW HE COULD.

HE COULD. IT'S POSSIBLE TO CONNECT TO THE OUTLET, TO THE RISERS AND DO A DIRECT CONNECT AND GO AHEAD AND RUN A LINE.

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IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE POSSIBLE IF MR. EDWARDS DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE AN EASEMENT THAT HE COULD PUT HIS OWN PIPE IN AND THEN AND THEN WORK WITH THE STREAMS TO CONNECT TO IT, BUT THEN MAINTAIN IT HIMSELF.

BUT WE CAN'T FORCE THE PIPE ONTO MR. EDWARDS PROPERTY.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT AROSE FROM ANY CONVERSATION? MISS MR. ACOSTA.

YES. THANK YOU.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A MINISTERIAL PROCESS.

THAT WAS WHAT THE STAFF PRESENTED.

AND I KNOW FROM ALL OF OUR OTHER DECISIONS THAT THAT ARE RELATED TO LAND USE.

WHEN WE HAVE THAT, IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT PEOPLE FOLLOWING THE STEPS THAT ARE PRESCRIBED BY THE CITY.

AND IF THEY DO THAT, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

SO I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF GRANTING THE APPEAL.

THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I AGREE I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE APPEAL, BUT I AM GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS AS NEIGHBORS.

AND IF MAYBE THE COMPROMISE IS THAT THE THE PIPE GETS PUT IN AND THERE'S NO EASEMENT, MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THE PIPE.

I WISH YOU GUYS LUCK.

I IT KILLS ME WHEN RESIDENTS FEEL FRUSTRATED.

OTHER RESIDENTS WHO FOLLOWED THE RULES AND FEEL HELPLESS.

BUT I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN FIND A COMPROMISE.

BUT I TOO WILL NOT SUPPORT THE APPEAL.

DO WE NEED A VOTE FOR THAT? YES, PLEASE. WE NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION IN THIS AGENDA ITEM.

OKAY. MOTION IS TO DENY THE APPEAL.

SO MOVED.

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY UNANIMOUS, NOTING MISS BURKHOLDER NOT PRESENT DURING THIS VOTE.

YOU WANT TO BREAK.

OKAY. WE'RE THE NEXT ITEM IS THE WINDSOR POINT ITEM.

WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE BEGIN.

BUT I WANT TO PUT YOU ON NOTICE.

AND THIS GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO CHANGE WHAT YOU MIGHT BE SAYING.

BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE SPEAKER TIME FROM THREE MINUTES DOWN TO TWO MINUTES, AND I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE GROUP SPEAKER'S TIME FROM TEN MINUTES DOWN TO EIGHT MINUTES.

AND WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE AT.

EIGHT MINUTES AFTER SIX.

CALLING THE MEETING. BACK TO ORDER.

PLEASE. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION.

WE'RE CALLING THE MEETING. BACK TO ORDER.

THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER NINE.

[9. UPDATE ON AFFIRMED HOUSING’S WINDSOR POINTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AND POTENTIAL ACTIONS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS]

CITY MANAGER, PLEASE.

GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ITEM NINE IS AN UPDATE OF AFFIRMED HOUSINGS WINDSOR POINT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AND POTENTIAL ACTIONS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS.

MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS OUR HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR, MANDY MILLS, AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE, MCMILLION WILLIAMS. BUT BEFORE I BEGIN, ON BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO READ THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT.

THIS ITEM IS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THE WINDSOR POINT PROJECT, TO HEAR COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT, AND TO DISCUSS STEPS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE A VARIETY OF PERSPECTIVES ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SHARE THOSE PERSPECTIVES, AND THE CITY COUNCIL DOES WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS ALSO BOUND BY FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS THAT REQUIRE CITIES TO PROMOTE FAIR HOUSING.

WE CANNOT TAKE ANY ACTION THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THESE LAWS, INCLUDING ACTIONS THAT WOULD DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR INCOME, MENTAL HEALTH STATUS, OR ANY OTHER PROTECTED CHARACTERISTICS.

WOULD JUST BE A GOOD TIME FOR OUR PERSONAL DISCLOSURES.

YES. OKAY.

I'LL BEGIN.

FIRST CON AM CORPORATION MANAGES THE WINDSOR POINT PROPERTY.

I HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN A SEPARATE CON AM BUSINESS, AND THAT WOULD BE INVESTING IN APARTMENTS.

IF, DURING THE CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM, IF THE CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO DISCUSS THE CON MANAGEMENT, THEN I WILL STEP DOWN FROM THE DAIS AND LEAVE THE ROOM.

AND THEN MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL WILL PRESIDE UNTIL THE DISCUSSION OF CON M MANAGEMENT HAS CONCLUDED.

THEN I'LL RETURN TO THE DAIS AND PRESIDE OVER THE REMAINDER OF THE ITEM.

I ALSO WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT I'VE TALKED TO AN AWFUL LOT OF RESIDENTS, AND I'VE ALSO TALKED WITH THE PRESIDENT OF AFFIRMED HOUSING.

I'VE TALKED WITH CON M, I'VE TALKED WITH BOTH SUPERVISORS DESMOND AND SUPERVISOR LAWSON REAMER.

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SO I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WAS WAS AWARE OF ALL OF THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCLOSURES FROM THE COUNCIL? WHY DON'T WE JUST START WITH MISS BHAT-PATEL? SURE. SIMILARLY, I'VE ALSO TALKED TO OR CORRESPONDED WITH RESIDENTS.

THE AFFIRMED HOUSING AND THEN ALSO THE OH MY GOSH, I'M BLANKING RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO NO PLACE LIKE HOME.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE.

MR. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH RESIDENTS AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALL RECEIVED LOTS OF EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS TOO.

AND WITH SUPERVISOR TERRA MEMBERS OFFICE, MR. BURKHOLDER. YEAH, THANK YOU.

I TOO HAVE SPOKEN WITH SUPERVISOR DESMOND AND SUPERVISOR LAWSON RIEMER AND MANY, MANY, MANY OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE AND RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY AND JUST WANTED TO SAY I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE SPEAKER TIME GOT CUT DOWN.

I WOULD HAVE ADVOCATED FOR THREE MINUTES.

SO THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE RECORD.

I KNOW THIS IS A VERY MOVING ISSUE FOR MANY OF US IN THIS ROOM.

THANK YOU. MR. LUNA. AND I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WE DID APPROVE THIS PROJECT.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS READING VOLUMES AND VOLUMES OF THE CORRESPONDENCE.

WE DO READ IT, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY, STAFF.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MANDY MILLS, AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES.

AND I'M JOINED BY MICKEY WILLIAMS, THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

TONIGHT WE WILL BE PRESENTING TOGETHER AN UPDATE ON THE WINDSOR POINT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

WE HAVE HAD SOME ACTIONS ALREADY TAKEN TO ADDRESS CONCERNS AND HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON ADDITIONAL ACTION ITEMS. SO OUR RECOMMENDED ACTION THIS EVENING IS TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ON A FIRM HOUSING WHEN WINDSOR POINT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, AND TO DIRECT DESIGNEES TO WORK WITH APPROPRIATE ENTITIES TO RESOLVE CONCERNS.

TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION WILL GO THROUGH SOME PROJECT BACKGROUND JUST TO GIVE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME INFORMATION.

WE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE, AND THEN CLOSE OUT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL ACTIONS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS.

I'LL FIRST PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES THE FINANCIAL BACKGROUND, IDENTIFICATION OF SOME ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, SOME INFORMATION ON RESIDENTS OF WINDSOR POINT, AND HOW RESIDENTS ARE REFERRED AND SCREENED.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE BARRIO AREA, SOUTH OF CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE AND WEST OF INTERSTATE FIVE ON TWO NONCONTIGUOUS SITES.

THERE ARE 24 UNITS AT 9.65 OAK AVENUE AND 26 UNITS AT 3.606 HARDY.

THE PROJECT WAS APPROXIMATELY $2.8 MILLION TO DEVELOP.

A NUMBER OF PUBLIC FUNDERS CONTRIBUTED FINANCING TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING A LOAN FROM THE CITY OF CARLSBAD'S HOUSING TRUST FUND AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUND, STATE AND FEDERAL TAX CREDITS, AND NO PLACE LIKE HOME FUNDING ADMINISTERED BY THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

THE COUNTY, NO PLACE LIKE HOME FUNDING ALSO PROVIDES AN OPERATING SUBSIDY THAT'S COVERED OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD.

THIS IS TO PROVIDE PROJECTS LIKE THIS SOME ADDITIONAL OPERATING COSTS OVER TIME BECAUSE THE RENT LEVELS ARE INSUFFICIENT TO COVER THE ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS.

SO THAT IS CALLED THE CAPITALIZED OPERATING SUBSIDY RESERVE.

IF YOU HEAR US USE THE WORD KOSHER, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

WE TRY NOT TO USE THE ACRONYMS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UNITS FOR WINDSOR POINT.

THERE ARE 50 UNITS IN TOTAL.

EACH SITE HAS A MANAGER'S UNIT AND THEN THE REMAINING 48 UNITS INCLUDE TWO DIFFERENT FUNDING RESTRICTIONS.

SO THE FIRST 24, ALL REFERRED TO AS THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, AND THOSE UNITS OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH LOWER INCOMES.

THERE IS A VETERAN IN CARLSBAD PREFERENCE IN ORDER OF THE PRIORITY LISTED ON THE SCREEN.

THE OTHER 24 UNITS I'LL REFER TO AS NO PLACE LIKE HOME UNITS ARE REGULATED BY THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME GUIDELINES AND OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHO HAVE SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS.

THERE ARE ANOTHER A NUMBER OF AGENCIES INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.

ON THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, I'LL DEMONSTRATE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

THE CITY OF CARLSBAD PROVIDED APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE CITY'S FUNDING TOWARDS THE PROJECT BY PURCHASING THE LAND FROM AFFIRMED HOUSING, THEN THE PROCEEDS WERE THEN USED TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS OF THE PROJECT.

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THE CITY ENTERED INTO A LONG TERM LEASE WITH AFFIRMED HOUSING.

AFFIRMED HOUSING DEVELOPED AND OWNS THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE LEASED LAND.

THE CONTRACT WITH KONAMI TO SERVE AS THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT.

INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES PROVIDES SERVICES TO ALL TENANTS ON SITE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO PROVIDES BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES CONTRACTS FOR SERVICES THROUGH ALPHA PROJECT FOR THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME RESIDENCE AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ALSO PROVIDES THE OPERATIONAL SUBSIDY FOR THE PROJECT OVER THE 20 YEAR PERIOD.

SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS PEOPLE ARE IDENTIFIED TO LIVE AT WINDSOR POINT, DEPENDING ON WHICH OF THE 24 UNITS THAT THEY WOULD BE LIVING IN.

SO FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE APPLICANTS APPLY DIRECTLY SO THEY CAN APPLY APPLY ONLINE.

AND WE DO ADVERTISE HOW TO DO THAT ON OUR WEBSITE AND ON OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING LIST.

APPLICANTS ARE SCREENED FOR THAT PREFERENCE VETERAN AND OR CARLSBAD PREFERENCE.

AND THEN ALL APPLICANTS ARE SCREENED FOR TENANCY BY CONDOM AND THEN THEY ENTER INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT.

FOR THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME UNITS.

THE REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS IDENTIFIES INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AWAITING HOUSING THROUGH A COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM.

THE TOP INDIVIDUALS ON THAT LIST ARE GIVEN TO THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO TO VERIFY THAT THEY MEET THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, CAN AM THEN CONDUCTS THE SCREENING AND ENTERS INTO LEASE AGREEMENTS FOR THOSE APPLICANTS.

WE HAVE REVIEWED ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM CONCERNED COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND THE MAIN CONCERNS WE HAVE SEEN INVOLVED TRANSPARENCY OF THE PROJECT APPROVAL PROCESS.

THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RECEIVING UNITS THAT DO NOT COME FROM CARLSBAD, AS WELL AS HOW MANY VETERANS ARE IN THE PROJECT.

THERE'S ALSO CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT HOUSING, PEOPLE WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND CRIME AND SAFETY CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

FIRST, I'LL TOUCH UPON THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE PROCESS.

SO IN 2016, AFFIRMED HOUSING PROCESSED APPLICATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT ON TWO NONCONTIGUOUS SITES, 24 UNITS AT 9.65 OAK AND 26 UNITS AT 3.606 HARDING.

THE PROPOSED UNITS IN BOTH PROJECT SITES WERE INTENDED FOR VERY LOW AND EXTREMELY LOW INCOME VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

THE PROJECT WAS NOT CONDITIONED TO REQUIRE VETERANS ONLY AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL, BECAUSE FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THEY WERE APPROVING THE THE USE OF RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY.

IN FEBRUARY OF 2017, THE CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A COMMITMENT OF $4.25 MILLION TO A FIRM HOUSING TO ASSIST WITH THE PROJECT FINANCING TO CONSTRUCT 50 AFFORDABLE APARTMENT HOMES AND FOR HOMELESS AND OR LOWER INCOME MILITARY VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

A FIRMS SOUGHT OUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM OTHER SOURCES THROUGHOUT 2017 AND 2018.

THEY APPLIED FOR A NUMBER OF SOURCES AND WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL DUE TO THE COMPETITIVE NATURE OF FUNDING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IN 29TH AUGUST OF 2019, AFFIRMED HOUSING RECEIVED CONDITIONAL COMMITMENT FROM THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICE AGENCY FOR NO PLACE LIKE HOME FUNDING, AND THE FUNDING REQUIRED THAT 24 OF THE PROJECT'S UNITS BE SET ASIDE FOR RESIDENTS WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS.

WHEN THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POPULATION TO BE SERVED AT THE, AND AT THAT TIME MY PREDECESSOR EXPLAINED THAT THE.

WITH PROJECTS LIKE THESE, THE FINAL POPULATION OFTEN IS CONTINGENT ON FUNDING SOURCES THAT WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE MEETING MINUTES.

THEN, WHEN STAFF LEARNED ABOUT THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME FUNDING AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, THE CITY STAFF HIGHLIGHTED THAT IN THE MEETING FOR JANUARY 28TH, 2020, WHEN ADDITIONAL FUNDING WAS BEING REQUESTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

AT THAT MEETING.

IF JANUARY OF 2020, THE CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE AN ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATE $4 MILLION REQUEST FOR THE PROJECT, AND THAT DID INCLUDE THE PRIORITY FOR LOW INCOME MILITARY VETERANS, AND THAT THE OTHER HALF WOULD BE FOR HOMELESS WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS.

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THE CITY COUNCIL THEN HAD ANOTHER HEARING, ANOTHER MEETING ON APRIL 21ST, WHERE AFFIRMED HOUSING AND COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES EXPLAINED THE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS AND THE SERVICES BEING OFFERED.

NEXT, I'LL ADDRESS THE CARLSBAD AND VETERAN PREFERENCE.

THE AFFORDABLE UNITS DO HAVE A CARLSBAD PREFERENCE AND HAVE LEASED UP CARLSBAD HOUSEHOLDS FOR THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME UNITS.

THE CITY DID EXPRESS ITS DESIRE TO PROVIDE PREFERENCE TO LOCAL RESIDENTS TO THE EXTENT, TO THE EXTENT CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE LAW.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE STATE HAS NOT DETERMINED THIS PREFERENCE COMPLIES WITH FAIR HOUSING LAWS, THIS PREFERENCE IS NOT CURRENTLY APPLIED TO THE UNITS COVERED BY NO PLACE LIKE HOME GUIDELINES. THE.

THERE IS A VETERAN PREFERENCE FOR ALL UNITS AND ABOUT HALF OF THE UNITS.

THE 24 AFFORDABLE UNITS WERE INITIALLY LEASED UP TO VETERANS FOR THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME UNITS.

WE HAVE NOT HAD VETERANS LEASED UP THERE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS, SO I'LL GO INTO THOSE FIRST THERE.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESOURCES WITHIN THE REGION FOR THAT HAVE A VETERAN REQUIREMENT.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A PREFERENCE BUT A PRIORITY.

IT'S ONLY A VETERAN ONLY PROJECT.

SO WE HAVE THE GOOD FORTUNE OF HAVING A NUMBER OF THOSE UNITS.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE ARE VETERANS ON THAT WAITING LIST? THAT COORDINATED ENTRY LIST AND A UNIT FREES UP FOR A VETERAN? ONLY FOLKS ON THAT LIST ARE DIVERTED TO THE VETERAN ONLY UNITS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THAT UNIT HAS TO GO EMPTY.

ON THE OTHER REASON WE ARE SEEING NOT A LOT OF REFERRALS BEING SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE THERE IS A VERY LOW INCOME LIMIT INCOME LIMIT FOR THESE UNITS, AND MANY VETERANS THAT RECEIVE VA BENEFITS ACTUALLY EXCEED THAT INCOME LIMIT.

AND THE CONCERN FOR HOUSING PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.

WITH. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE FAIR HOUSING ACT PROHIBITS DENYING HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE PROTECTED CHARACTERISTIC.

SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MICKEY WILLIAMS AND I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE POLICE CHIEF.

I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION RELATED TO CRIME AND SAFETY AND SOME ANALYSIS WE'VE DONE RELATED TO POLICE ACTIVITY AT WINDSOR POINT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF TRENDS THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR EVERYONE ON THIS.

FIRST, A HIGH NUMBER OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE, ABOUT 44% OF THEM ARE MENTAL HEALTH RELATED CALLS FOR SERVICE AT WINDSOR POINT.

I'LL DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON A DIFFERENT SLIDE.

ALSO, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT OF THE 48 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT WINDSOR POINT, RELATIVELY FEW NUMBER OF THEM CAUSE A HIGH PROPORTION OF THE NUMBER OF CALLS, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT SUPPORTIVE OF THE THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TO TRY TO HELP THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CALLING THE POLICE FREQUENTLY FOR SERVICE.

SO THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO CALL THE POLICE.

AND THEN OVERALL, THERE'S BEEN A CONCERN OF RISING CRIME IN THE AREA BECAUSE OF WINDSOR POINT.

SO WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE REPORTING DISTRICTS, THE TWO REPORTING DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS, OF WHICH BOTH OF THE WINDSOR POINT LOCATIONS ARE LOCATED.

AND WHAT WE FOUND THAT BETWEEN 2021.

SO BEFORE THE WINDSOR POINT OPENED WE HAD MORE CRIME REPORTS WRITTEN THAN WE DID IN 2023 BY A VERY SMALL MARGIN.

BUT WHAT WE DID, BUT I THINK THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF THERE HASN'T BEEN A SIGNIFICANT SPILLOVER OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY INTO THE COMMUNITY AROUND WINDSOR POINT.

WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING AND TRYING TO IMPROVE IS HOW OFTEN WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO TO WINDSOR POINT TO PROVIDE POLICE SERVICES.

SO REGARDING OUR OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH IS 762, SINCE THE WINDSOR POINT LOCATIONS HAVE OPENED UP, 44% OF THOSE HAVE BEEN CALLS RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH RELATED ISSUES.

THAT'S 335 CALLS RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH RELATED ISSUES.

BUT A TREND WITHIN THESE TYPES OF CALLS THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT LESS THAN 4% OF THE MENTAL HEALTH RELATED CALLS FOR SERVICE, THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE GOING TO RESULT IN A COMMITMENT FOR 5150 BY THE POLICE OFFICER, WHICH IS A LEGAL AUTHORITY, THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL THAT ARE EITHER SUICIDAL OR POTENTIALLY HOMICIDAL, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO WE'RE REALLY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH AT WINDSOR POINT RESULT IN A 5150.

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AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS BECAUSE POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO GO TO CALLS FOR SERVICE WHERE A 5150 IS APPROPRIATE.

HOWEVER, FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT DON'T REQUIRE A 5150 COMMIT, THERE'S OFTEN TIMES OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES OTHER THAN POLICE OFFICERS.

SO WE THINK THERE'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, A NICE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TIMES POLICE OFFICERS GOING TO WINDSOR POINT FOR MENTAL HEALTH RELATED CALLS THAT AREN'T REQUIRING POLICE OFFICER ATTENTION.

ANOTHER TREND THAT WE NOTED IS THAT A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE AT WINDSOR POINT RESULT IN AN ARREST.

AGAIN, THIS IS INDICATIVE, AS YOU CAN SEE APPROXIMATELY 2.5% OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE AT WINDSOR POINT RESULT IN AN ARREST.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE AGAIN, OFTENTIMES POLICE ARE GOING TO WINDSOR POINT FOR SITUATIONS THAT DON'T REQUIRE A POLICE OFFICER, DON'T REQUIRE AN ARREST DON'T REQUIRE A 5150 COMMIT.

THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR US TO RESOLVE MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT POLICE ARE BEING CALLED TO THE TO THESE LOCATIONS WITHOUT SENDING THE POLICE.

BUT THERE IS A NOTE THAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT OVER 40% OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ARRESTED AT WINDSOR POINT LOCATIONS WERE EITHER WERE NONRESIDENTS. MOST OF THEM WERE GUESTS.

AND SO THAT IS IN LINE WITH ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE THAT WE FEEL WILL HELP SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND THAT'S A BETTER POLICY ON HOW TO CHECK IN AND CHECK OUT GUESTS, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE, THAT ARE AT THE LOCATION THAT ARE NOT RESIDENTS ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH A WITH A RESIDENT THERE SO THAT THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY FOR BEHAVIOR THERE.

SO AGAIN, AS I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT, THERE'S RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF UNITS CAUSING A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

OVER HALF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE COME FROM JUST SEVEN UNITS OUT OF THE 48 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE LOWER STAT, ALMOST 30% OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE COME FROM ONE RESIDENT AT THE LOCATION.

AGAIN, THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT WE FEEL IS STRONGLY SUPPORTS ADDITIONAL SERVICES BEING PROVIDED TO TRY TO HELP THESE RESIDENTS THAT ARE FREQUENTLY REQUESTING POLICE SERVICE.

SO MISS MILLS AND I HAVE BEEN MONITORING WINDSOR POINT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME SINCE IT HAS BEGUN.

THIS MONITORING OVER TIME RESULTED IN BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

SO SIX MONTHS AGO BOTH MILLS, MISS MILLS AND I BOTH WROTE LETTERS TO THE PROJECT OWNER ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE IN TRYING TO MAKE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE FEEL WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON ON THE ON THE LOCATIONS.

MY MEMO IN PARTICULAR HAD FIVE REQUESTS, SPECIFIC REQUESTS THAT ADDRESSED SAFETY.

AND AND TWO OF THOSE REQUESTS STILL NEED TO BE FULFILLED.

IN MY OPINION, ONE IS WE NEED 24 HOUR A DAY, SEVEN DAY A WEEK.

I WILL CALL IT SECURITY, BUT IT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

IS ENGAGED MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATION AT BOTH OF THE LOCATIONS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY.

I THINK IT PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES THAT ARE NOT POLICE RELATED.

AND ALSO THE MONITORING OF THE GUESTS.

AND THEN ALSO, AS IT RELATES TO THE MONITORING, THE GUESTS, THE SECOND REQUEST THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE FULFILLED IS I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED A CHECK IN, CHECK OUT FOR VISITORS. SO THAT WE KNOW WHO'S ON SITE THAT ISN'T A RESIDENT, AND SO THAT THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON SITE.

BUT THAT CAN ONLY BE ACCOMPLISHED IF THE FIRST REQUEST OCCURS, WHICH IS AN ENGAGED, PRESENT 24 HOUR A DAY, SEVEN DAY A WEEK MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE, WHETHER THAT'S SECURITY OR A DIFFERENT FORM.

IF THAT'S NOT PRESENT, MONITORING THE GUESTS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

SO SINCE THE LETTERS, WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THE MANAGEMENT, WITH THE COUNTY AND WE ARE SEEING IMPROVEMENT, WE ARE SEEING RECEPTIVENESS TO ENGAGING WITH US.

WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO COME UP WITH A PROTOCOL THAT WE BELIEVE IF IT'S STAFFED WITH SEVEN HOUR, SEVEN DAY A WEEK, 24 HOUR A DAY, SECURITY WILL PROVIDE US A PROTOCOL THAT WILL LIKELY DIVERT MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY POLICE RELATED ISSUES TO BE HANDLED ON SITE.

WE'VE ALSO DURING THESE MEETINGS, HAD DISCUSSIONS REGARDING EVICTIONS OF OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEING TROUBLESOME THROUGH THESE MEETINGS.

AND SINCE THE LETTER, WE'VE INCREASED THE VIDEO MONITORING OF THE LOCATIONS TO A 24 HOUR DAY, SEVEN DAY A WEEK MONITORING.

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AND THAT'S BEING THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

WE ACTUALLY ARE RECEIVING CALLS FOR SERVICE FROM THE MONITORING COMPANY TELLING US ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

OUR OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO RESPOND OUT AND TAKE PROACTIVE EFFORT TO TRY TO PREVENT CRIME.

AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INCREASED THE ON SITE SECURITY.

IT'S CURRENTLY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 12 HOURS A DAY.

THE EVENINGS ARE COVERED, BUT ONLY ONE PERSON BETWEEN THE TWO LOCATIONS.

IT'S JUST NOT SUFFICIENT.

WE NEED IN MY OPINION, WE NEED ONE PERSON AT EACH OF THE LOCATIONS 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

AND ON THIS.

ON THE SERVICES SIDE, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO HAS AUTHORIZED AN INCREASE IN ON SITE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

SO ORIGINALLY THEY WERE THERE 1.5 HOURS A DAY.

I'M SORRY, 1.5 HOURS PER WEEK AT THE ONSET OF THE PROJECT.

AND NOW THEY'RE THERE FOUR HOURS A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

THE INTERFAITH SERVICES COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS BEEN THERE FIVE DAYS A WEEK THE ENTIRE TIME.

THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO HAS ALSO REFERRED SPECIALIZED CARE TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT DO HAVE HIGHER NEEDS.

ALL PARTNERS HAVE ALSO INCREASED OUR COLLABORATION AND OUR ENGAGED IN REGULAR MEETINGS TO ACTIVELY MONITOR AND ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

AND WE ARE SEEING QUITE A BIT OF COLLABORATION, TROUBLESHOOTING, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.

SO WE ARE FEELING VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THAT.

WE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TO ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS.

SO AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WE HAVE PROPOSED SOME ADDITIONAL ACTIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

SO I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THREE MOVING FORWARD, THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I BELIEVE WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE WINDSOR POINT LOCATIONS.

THE FIRST IS AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT ALREADY IS WE NEED FUNDING TO PAY FOR ON SITE SECURITY 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

AND AGAIN, I'M USING SECURITY.

BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS ENGAGED MANAGEMENT, REPRESENTATION.

I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMPLISH A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE AN ON SITE PERSON THAT'S WORKING, THAT'S THAT'S ALERT AND AWAKE AND PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND IS DEPENDABLE.

I THINK THAT THAT, THAT THIS WILL PROVIDE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESOLVE MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY RESULTING IN CALLS FOR SERVICE.

THE CALLS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT DON'T REQUIRE A 51, 50 COMMIT OR DON'T REQUIRE AN ARREST CAN, IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PRESENCE, 24 HOUR A DAY PRESENCE, I BELIEVE AMENDING THE GUEST POLICY TO DO THE CHECK IN, CHECK OUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER AWARENESS OF WHO'S ON THE LOCATION.

AND IF THERE ARE ISSUES, THERE'S GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY TIED TO RESIDENTS THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, I MENTIONED WE HAVE ALREADY DRAFTED A PROTOCOL ON HOW TO DIVERT MANY OF THE LOW LEVEL TYPE OF INCIDENTS OCCURRING AT WINDSOR POINT THAT ARE CURRENTLY GENERATING POLICE SERVICE CALLS, BUT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THAT PROTOCOL UNTIL THERE'S THE PEOPLE ON PREMISE TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. AND AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT OF A PROCESS BECAUSE WE NEED TO CREATE TRUST WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AT WINDSOR POINT, THAT IF THEY CALL THE ON SITE MANAGEMENT, THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING 24 HOURS A DAY, THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET A QUICK RESPONSE AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR PROBLEM SOLVED.

AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO CREATE THAT PROCESS AND THAT TRUST THAT MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WILL LIKELY CALL THE ON SITE MANAGER TO SOLVE MANY OF THEIR PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET A MORE QUICK RESPONSE, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET A MORE CONSISTENT RESPONSE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME TYPE OF RESPONSE FROM THE MANAGEMENT. THERE'S ALSO ONE IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS THAT I THINK NEEDS TO ALSO BE ADDRESSED IS.

WITH RESPECT TO HAVING THE ON SITE 24 HOUR A DAY, SEVEN DAY A WEEK.

PART OF IT IS THE INFORMATION AND AWARENESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON CURRENTLY WITH THE CURRENT SET UP.

MUCH OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE HAPPENINGS AT WINDSOR POINT IS RELAYED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH MEETINGS TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, WHO THEN ADMITTEDLY ARE VERY RESPONSIVE.

THEY HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE ONCE THEY RECEIVED OUR INFORMATION, BUT THIS HAS TO IMPROVE.

WE NEED THE ON SITE MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE ENGAGED 24 HOURS A DAY SO THAT THEY SEE THE POLICE SHOWING UP, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THE NIGHT BEFORE THERE WAS AN INCIDENT, SO THAT THE NEXT DAY THEY CAN CONNECT WITH RESOURCES, THAT IN THE MOMENT, AWARENESS NEEDS TO BE PRESENT.

AND TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, IN MY OPINION, WE NEED ENGAGED MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATION 24 HOURS A DAY ON DUTY AT EACH OF THE LOCATIONS.

AND ON THE SERVICE SIDE, WE DO HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE THINK COULD HAVE SHORT AND LONG TERM IMPACT.

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SO THE FIRST ONE REALLY IS TO BE ABLE TO YOU KNOW, URGE AND ADVOCATE TO THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO TO CHANGE THEIR APPROACH ON HOW THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES ARE PROVIDED FOR CLIENTS.

SO NOT ALL RESIDENTS REQUIRE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THEY DON'T ALL HAVE THE SAME NEED.

AND IN OUR OPINION, REALLY WHAT IS NEEDED FOR A RESIDENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND A PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IS FOR WHATEVER THAT RESIDENT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE INDEPENDENTLY.

THEY SHOULD BE RECEIVING THOSE SERVICES.

AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CALL IT WRAPAROUND SERVICES.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR EACH RESIDENT.

SO WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE HIGHER NEEDS TO REALLY INITIALLY MOVE IN, THAT THEY SHOULD BE SIGNED UP AT A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE AND AND, AND BE CONTINUED.

AND IF THEY EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GRADUATE TO A LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, STABILIZED AFTER A WHILE OF, OF BEING THERE, THEN THAT'S GREAT. BUT WE WOULD PREFER TO START WITH THE HIGHER LEVEL AND GRADUATE DOWN.

MORE LOOKING FOR LONG TERM IMPACT.

WE REALLY WANT TO YOU KNOW, WORK WITH OUR CONTRACTED LOBBYISTS AND, YOU KNOW, THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR AND THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE TO REALLY DEVELOP AN ADVOCACY STRATEGY TO EFFECTIVELY LOBBY FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TO BE FULLY FUNDED AT STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS. AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE REALLY THESE ADEQUATE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN CARLSBAD OR NORTH COUNTY, AS WELL AS INCREASING THE NUMBER OF VETERANS. AND SO THAT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF LONG TERM ADVOCACY AS WELL.

SO FOR NEXT STEPS, WE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THOSE IDENTIFIED ACTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

SO WE RECOMMEND IMPLEMENTING THOSE TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THOSE STATISTICS AND TRENDS.

WE CAN COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU ON THE PROGRESS OF THAT, AND CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR WINDSOR POINT PARTNERS TO IDENTIFY SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS ANY ONGOING ISSUES.

WE VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY HAS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND WE REALLY ARE TAKING THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY, WORKING HARD TO ADDRESS THEM, COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY STARTED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR SOME VERY VULNERABLE PEOPLE.

AND SO WE JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE SUCCESS STORIES, BECAUSE AS OUR POLICE CHIEF POINTED OUT MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LIVING THERE ARE DOING GREAT AND NOT A SOURCE OF THE THE CONCERN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

SO JUST WANTED TO SHOWCASE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT BEING HOUSED STABLY CAN PROVIDE FOLKS.

SO WE DO HAVE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IN SCHOOL FULL TIME AND HAS NOW OBTAINED A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

WE HAVE ANOTHER RESIDENT WHO GOT A JOB AND HAS ACTUALLY ALREADY MOVED UP.

WE HAVE A RESIDENT WHO HAS BEEN ABLE TO GET CHILD CARE SO THAT SHE CAN GO TO WORK.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY IMPROVING THEIR PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH BECAUSE THEY'RE EATING BETTER.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY GOING THROUGH REHAB AND DOING WELL IN THEIR EFFORT FOR SOBRIETY, AND ANOTHER RESIDENT ATTENDING COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND DOING QUITE WELL. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION.

AS STATED, WE DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDED ACTIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME PROJECT PARTNERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE PROJECT.

FIRST, I'LL INTRODUCE INTRODUCE JONATHAN TAYLOR, VICE PRESIDENT OF ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR AFFIRMED HOUSING.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JONATHAN TAYLOR AND I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ASSET MANAGEMENT FOR AFFIRMED HOUSING GROUP.

I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY MICHELLE SEITZ, WHO IS WITH CANAAN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

AND THE TWO OF US ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP THAT NEED ANSWERS FROM EITHER OWNERSHIP OR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE REPORT THAT YOU JUST HEARD, OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT AFFIRMED ENDORSES IT.

WE'RE SO GRATEFUL TO THE CHIEF AND TO MANDY FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO IT.

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I WANTED TO UNDERSCORE SOMETHING THAT THE CHIEF SAID, THAT THERE'S BEEN MANY HOURS SPENT WORKING COLLABORATIVELY.

WE'VE HAD LOTS OF MEETINGS WEEKLY AND MONTHLY IN ORDER TO REALLY GET AT THE HEART OF WHERE ARE THE CONCERNS AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO DEVELOP SOLUTIONS.

AND SO I'M GRATEFUL TO THEM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO THIS.

THANK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE JEFF YUEN, A SENIOR ADVISOR FOR THE DISTRICT THREE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISOR TARA LAWSON RIEMER.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JEFF YOUNG, AND AS MANNY MENTIONED, I'M A REPRESENTATIVE WITH COUNTY SUPERVISOR TARA LAWSON RIEMER.

AND SO I'M HERE JUST TO CLARIFY, ON BEHALF OF THE SUPERVISOR'S OFFICE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE SUPERVISOR URGED REPEATEDLY FOR COUNTY HOUSING AND FOR COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES STAFF TO BE HERE AT TONIGHT'S COUNCIL HEARING.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THEY REFUSED TO COME, WHICH WE'RE REALLY DISAPPOINTED BY.

BUT NONETHELESS, THE SUPERVISOR AND OUR TEAM HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH AS MANY OF YOU HAVE WITH CONCERNED RESIDENTS WITH THE CITY, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND AFFIRMED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE STRONG COLLABORATION AND THE DATA, THE EMPHASIS ON THE DATA THAT HAS BEEN SHARED.

IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE TO TO THOSE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT CHIEF WILLIAMS OFFERED THAT WE ARE CLOSING DOWN ON, ON A PATHWAY TO AT LEAST ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS THAT FOR A FIRM TO ADD A SECOND SECURITY GUARD SO THAT BOTH LOCATIONS, BOTH BUILDINGS COULD BE FULLY SECURED AND FULLY STAFFED IN THOSE EVENING HOURS.

SUPERVISOR RIEMER STRONGLY SUPPORTS ADDING THE SECOND SECURITY GUARD, AND IS FIGHTING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FROM THE COUNTY PERSPECTIVE.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING HARD WITH THE COUNTY TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT LEVEL OF CARE IS PROVIDED.

MANY MILLS MENTIONED ABOUT LEVEL OF CARE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DEFINITELY HEARD THE CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS, FAMILIES WHO FREQUENT PINE PARK AND, AND OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. IN RESPONSE TO MANY OF THESE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND THE ONGOING DIALOG FOR MANY OF THE PARTNERS HERE.

YOU SAW IN THE PRESENTATION, WE ARE REALLY PLEASED.

AND SUPERVISOR LAWSON RIEMER IS REALLY ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT THE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES HAVE BEEN INCREASED FROM ONE DAY A WEEK, UP TO TWO DAYS A WEEK IN FEBRUARY, UP TO THREE DAYS A WEEK NOW. AND MOST RECENTLY, A CLINICIAN IS NOW ADDED TO THE CARE TEAM EIGHT HOURS PER WEEK.

SO WE THINK AND REALLY ENCOURAGED THAT BUILDING OUT THAT THAT CARE TEAM WILL HELP FACILITATE SOME OF THESE CONNECTIONS TO CARE AND GET PEOPLE THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ALL RESIDENTS WHO QUALIFY FOR AND WANT ADDITIONAL SERVICES WILL BE, CAN, AND WILL BE REFERRED TO ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

THESE ARE THESE ARE THESE ARE VOLUNTARY.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE INTO THEM.

BUT THEY'RE ACTIVELY THEY'RE ACTIVELY OFFERED TO, TO FOLKS.

AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME.

AND THAT'S PARTLY WHY IT'S ENCOURAGING THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE HOURS WITH ON SITE CASE MANAGEMENT TO HELP MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS HAPPEN.

WE'VE HEARD SOME VERY REAL WORRIES FROM OUR OFFICE BEING EXPRESSED.

THE SUPERVISOR WANTED TO REITERATE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY, ESPECIALLY THE WELL-BEING OF CHILDREN AND THE MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, IS A TOP CONCERN.

SHE'S ALSO STRONGLY COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE ON OUR STREETS OR ARE IN TENTS ARE ABLE TO GET OFF THE STREETS AND CONNECTED TO THE SERVICES AND TREATMENT THAT THEY NEED. SO SHE'S REALLY FOCUSED ON ENSURING WE CAN GET TO SOME PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS HERE.

AND GET THE SITUATION AT WINDSOR POINT.

YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S CLARIFIED IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO DOESN'T CONTROL ANY OF THE LAND OR LEASE TERMS. AND THE BUT THE SUPERVISOR IS COMMITTED TO ADDRESSING ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE COUNTY'S LEVERS INCLUDING THROUGH THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME FUNDING.

AND AGAIN, IN MY CAPACITY, I REPRESENT SUPERVISOR LAWSON RYMER'S OFFICE.

I DON'T I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF COUNTY HOUSING OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH STAFF, BUT I DO WANT TO REITERATE THE COMMITMENT FROM OUR OFFICE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH ALL THE PARTNERS HERE TO FIND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AND TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT ARE PRACTICAL AND ACTIONABLE.

AND SO JUST A LAST THOUGHT HERE ON THE SECURITY.

WE ARE PUSHING COUNTY STAFF TO REALLY BE CREATIVE THERE.

AS MANDY MENTIONED, THERE IS THERE'S AN OPERATING RESERVE THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTERS IN, IN CONNECTION WITH THE STATE, AND WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROVIDE AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY SO THAT WE CAN GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING SECURED THERE FOR THAT SECOND SECURITY GUARD.

WE ARE GOING TO DRAFT THE SUPERVISORS ARE WORKING ON DRAFTING A LETTER TO STATE HCD HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THE STATE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY AS WELL. SO THAT THIS OPERATING RESERVE CAN REALLY BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE AT WINDSOR POINT.

REGARDING SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE INCREASED UP FROM ONE DAY A WEEK TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK, AND THAT ALL RESIDENTS WHO WANT THE SERVICES, ADDITIONAL SERVICES CAN

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GET THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

WE JUST NEED THEM TO ACCEPT IT AND THEN WE'LL GET THOSE REFERRALS ACROSS.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SPEAKING TO SOME SPECIFICS YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REFERRALS AND, AND CONNECTIONS ON THE SITE.

SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE'RE REALLY COMMITTED IN OUR OFFICE TO WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE CITY, WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC AND ALL THE PARTNERS HERE TO HELP MAINTAIN SAFETY IN AND AROUND WINDSOR POINT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE PRESENTATIONS.

ON OUR SIDE. SO CITY STAFF AS WELL AS SOME PROJECT PARTNERS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS.

WE HAVE 30 SPEAKERS TWO OF WHOM WILL BE EIGHT MINUTE GROUP SPEAKERS.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVE AND DIFFERENT.

WE'RE ALL HERE FOR THE SAME REASON, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE SOLUTIONS WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE GROUP SPEAKERS TO SPEAK FIRST.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A SPEAKER SLIP IN, IF THE GROUP SPEAKER HAS ALREADY SAID ALL OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO SAY, YOU'RE FREE TO JUST STAND UP.

WHEN THE CLERK CALLS YOUR NAME, SAY IT'S BEEN COVERED BY ONE OF THE GROUP SPEAKERS, AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO ON TO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER.

MY GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TO ALL OF THE IMPORTANT TOPICS, AND THAT'S THE SOLUTIONS AND OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR WINDSOR POINT.

SO WITH THAT SAID, PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER, BUT WE'RE STARTING WITH THE TWO GROUPS.

FIRST GROUP WILL BE HEARD BY MARK PACKARD WHO IS REPRESENTING LARRY POSNER BRAD ROBBINS.

AND BRADFORD JACOBS.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

IT'S, IT'S I'M GLAD TO BE HERE AMONG THOSE THAT I CONSIDER FRIENDS.

AND TONIGHT I'M A VOICE FOR A GROUP OF CONCERNED CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE REGARDING WINDSOR POINT.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO ASK IF YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF YOUR CONCERNS FOR WINDSOR POINT, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND? I WANT EVERYBODY I WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO SEE.

AND IF YOU HAVE A SIGN, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO HOLD THAT UP.

THERE WE GO. SO.

I WANT YOU TO NOTE INTERRUPT FOR JUST A MOMENT.

I TOLD BOTH OF THE GROUP SPEAKERS THAT IT WOULD BE FINE FOR THEM TO HAVE REPRESENTATION, AND THAT THEY COULD ASK THEM TO STAND, SO THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SUPPORTING THEM. BUT I WILL ASK THAT THE SIGNS GO DOWN AFTER YOU FINISH STANDING SO PEOPLE BEHIND YOU CAN SEE.

AND WAS THERE, WERE YOU GOING TO PUT A PICTURE UP? I THERE WAS A PICTURE THAT WAS ARRANGED FOR IT TO BE SHOWN, BUT I SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT UP.

ANYWAY, SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TO PROPOSE AND SUGGEST REQUEST ONE OF TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WAS WHEN I SPOKE BEFORE WE, WE WERE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT THIS, THAT THIS SITE BE DECLARED A PUBLIC NUISANCE.

THERE IS PRECEDENCE FOR THAT.

THE THE DEFINITION IN THE CITY ORDINANCE 6.16 OF A PUBLIC NUISANCE IS THAT OF IS A DANGEROUS THE HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY OF OUR OF THE RESIDENTS.

AND THERE IS A PRECEDENCE IN THE CITY THAT OF SEVERAL YEARS.

A FEW YEARS AGO ANOTHER PROPERTY IN THIS NEAR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS WAS FOUND BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE A PUBLIC NUISANCE UNDER VERY, VERY SIMILAR CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAN EXIST NOW.

SO THE DEFINITION APPLIES.

AND SO ONE OPTION WOULD BE FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECLARE IT A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND ORDERED IT TO BE ABATED, IS THE WORD THAT IS IN IT.

AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT THAT CAN, CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.

ANOTHER AVENUE THAT I WAS I HEARD ABOUT RECENTLY WAS IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

AND AFTER CONSIDERATION, I AGREE THAT INSTEAD OF FINDING WINDSOR POINT TO BE A PUBLIC NUISANCE, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO FIND THAT WINDSOR POINT, THE THE LEASE BY AFFIRMED HOUSING.

THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS.

THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY, THE LAND AND GAVE A 99 YEAR LEASE UNDER CONDITIONS.

AND ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO FIND THAT THE THE WINDSOR POINT.

PROJECT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE LEASE, AND THEN THE COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TERMINATE THE LEASE.

SO THIS IS PER LEASE ARTICLE 12.1 G.

IN THE OF THE LEASE TERMS AND 12.2 A IS THE TERMS OF OF HOW AND WHEN THIS THE CITY COUNCIL CAN FIND IT IN VIOLATION. I WOULD INVITE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION AND AND CONSIDER ONE OF THOSE TWO OPTIONS.

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MOST PEOPLE HAVE FOUND THAT THE THE THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN NOT MAINTAINED, NOT HANDLED IN THE WAY IT WAS PROMISED TO THE CITY.

THE TERM THAT I HAVE COME TO LIKE IS CALLED PIE CRUST PROMISES.

I INVITE YOU TO TO REMEMBER THAT TERM PIE CRUST PROMISES.

IT MEANS EASILY MADE, BUT EASILY BROKEN.

I DON'T LIKE DOING WHAT I DON'T LIKE DOING BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE THAT DO.

PIE CRUST PROMISES.

I WANT TO DO BUSINESS.

AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD DO BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE HONORABLE.

THAT WHEN WHEN THEY SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SET THINGS UP IN, IN THE CITY SO THAT OUR, THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RESIDENTS ARE PROTECTED AND WELL TAKEN CARE OF, THAT WILL HAPPEN.

INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF OUR CITY HAVING TO DO ALL THE LEGWORK AND DO ALL THE MONITORING AND SAYING, OH, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU'RE NOT KEEPING YOUR PROMISES, YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS AND HAVING TO FORCE THEM INTO COMPLIANCE.

AND AS SOON AS YOU TURN YOUR BACK, THEY THEY SAY, OH, WE'LL DO THAT.

AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU TURN YOUR BACK, THE COMPLIANCE STOPS AGAIN.

THAT IS NOT IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST.

SO I WOULD INVITE YOU TO FIND FIND A PARTNER FOR THE CITY'S HOUSING SITUATIONS THAT WE THAT WE WANT AND NEED TO COMPLY WITH AND SERVE OUR, OUR POPULATION.

BUT WE FIND PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE GLAD TO DO BUSINESS WITH ON A LONG TERM BASIS, AND THAT WILL KEEP THEIR PROMISES TO US.

LET'S SEE. FURTHER POINTS.

THERE IS A THERE IS A PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, PARTICULARLY FOR DECLARING IT A PUBLIC NUISANCE.

FINDINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE.

OUR POLICE CHIEF SENT A LETTER TO AND HE HE HE REFERRED TO IT, SENT A LETTER TO THE THE AFFIRMED HOUSING IN SEPTEMBER ON SEPTEMBER 5TH OF 2023, OUTLINING THE THE AREAS OF VIOLATION OF THE OF THE TERMS OF THE LEASE AND AND AS HE AS HE POINTED OUT, THEY ARE STILL IN VIOLATION OF MULTIPLE OF THOSE POINTS.

SO I THINK THE THE LEASE TERMS SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE CORRECTED WITHIN 60 DAYS.

WE'RE NOW AT SIX MONTHS THAT THEY'RE STILL IN VIOLATION OF THESE THINGS.

SO I THINK THE CONDITIONS EXIST THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO DECLARE IF, IF YOU, IF YOU WILL AGREE, DECLARE THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE LEASE AND THAT THE CITY HAS THE AUTHORITY THEN TO TERMINATE THE LEASE.

AND THOSE WOULD BE OUR SUGGESTIONS AS OPTIONS TO CONSIDER AND ASK THAT YOU THAT YOU CONSIDER AND TAKE ONE OF THOSE ACTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING.

THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING.

IT'S NOT AN ENTERTAINMENT.

SO PLEASE CALL THE NEXT SPEAKER.

THE NEXT GROUP WILL BE HEARD BY DENNIS JENSEN REPRESENTING LAUREL STENCIL, MARY JENSEN, AND ROBERT JENSEN.

HI THERE! I'D ALSO LIKE EVERYONE IN THE IN THE CROWD HERE TO STAND UP.

IF YOU FEEL I'M REPRESENTING YOU IN MY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT WINDSOR POINT.

FIRST OF ALL.

I'M A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT.

I JUST SAW A SLIDE THAT SAID WE SPENT $22 BILLION.

AND ONE PERSON GOT A JOB, AND ONE PERSON'S EATING BETTER.

I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK WE CAN RECOGNIZE FAILURE WHEN FAILURE HAPPENS.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF FAST TALKING IN THE STAFF REPORTS.

JUSTIFYING WINDSOR POINT'S EXTREME VOLUME OF FIRST RESPONDER CALLS.

AND THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS MISSING THERE.

I'D LIKE TO STOP DOWNPLAYING THE SERIOUS CRIMES THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THOSE CRIMES, IN THOSE CALLS.

I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT.

NO AMOUNT OF ATTEMPTED MURDER.

MULTIPLE DRUG DEAL BUSTS.

AND SEXUAL ABUSE CRIMES BROUGHT TO CARLSBAD IS ACCEPTABLE? NONE. AND LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WINDSOR POINT IS NOT.

THE SAN DIEGO UNION SAYS THERE IS A SINGLE VETERAN IN RESIDENCE OUT OF THE 50 APARTMENTS WINDSOR POINTE.

IT'S CLEARLY NOT VETERAN HOUSING.

AND LET'S BE CLEAR THAT IS NOT A REMEDY FOR CARLSBAD'S.

HOMELESS TENANT AUDITS VERY EARLY ON FOUND THAT VERY FEW RESIDENTS HAD ANY CARLSBAD AFFILIATION AT ALL.

AS SUCH, WINDSOR POINT DOES NEXT TO NOTHING TO SOLVE CARLSBAD'S HOMELESS PROBLEM.

AGAIN. WINDSOR POINT DOES NEXT TO NOTHING TO SOLVE CARLSBAD'S HOMELESS PROBLEM.

SOCIAL WORKERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

HAVE SENT THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM HERE.

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WHAT WINDSOR POINT IS, IS AN EXPENSIVE FAILURE THAT HAS FAILED THE COMMUNITY AND BROUGHT ATTEMPTED MURDERERS, METHAMPHETAMINE, DRUG DEALERS, DRUG USERS, CHILD ABUSERS AND CHILD SEX ABUSERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND PUT THEM NEXT TO OUR FAMILIES.

NOW, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SUGGESTED TONIGHT THAT IT'S OKAY IF WE SIMPLY ADD SECURITY.

HERE'S WHY THAT DOESN'T WORK.

A SECURITY GUARD STARING DOWN AT HIS IPHONE SOMEWHERE ON THE PREMISES, DOES NEXT TO NOTHING FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I'M GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO SOMETHING I HEARD EARLIER.

SO MAYBE EVEN NOT A SECURITY GUARD, BUT AN ENGAGED MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATION.

WHAT IS THAT? THIS SECURITY GUARD DOES NEXT TO NOTHING WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE FACILITY.

WINDSOR POINT IS NOT A LOCKDOWN FACILITY BY ANY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

AND THEY DO. CRIME IS NOT RESTRICTED TO THE PREMISES.

MY LITTLE GIRL HAS HAD TO STEP OVER A CRACK PIPE AND AROUND DRUNKEN RESIDENTS ON THE SIDEWALK OUT FRONT, VOMITING IN THE PLANTER.

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM SOME NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE EVEN WORSE EXPERIENCES.

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING PEOPLE IN NEED OF SECURITY.

NEAR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TWO PRESCHOOLS AND WHERE CARLSBAD'S KIDS PLAY SPORTS.

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING PEOPLE THAT NEED SECURITY NEAR FAMILIES FRANKLY DEFIES REASON FOR ME.

ONE TENANT WAS REPORTED FOR YELLING, I'M GOING TO KILL YOU AT NEIGHBOR KIDS.

WHY ARE WE PUTTING PEOPLE THAT NEED SECURITY NEXT TO KIDS? IN ADDITION, MANAGEMENT HAS NO IDEA WHO EVEN LIVES AT WINDSOR POINT.

INTERNAL CITY COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEVELOPER CONFIRMS THAT TENANTS HAVE UNKNOWN PEOPLE LIVING WITH THEM, AND I QUOTE FOR SUPPORT.

BUT THE ACTION RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF REPORT ESSENTIALLY SAYS, DON'T WORRY, WE'LL HAVE THE PEOPLE USING WINDSOR POINT AS A FLOP HOUSE SIGN A GUEST BOOK.

THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

ALMOST HALF THE CRIMES I JUST MENTIONED WERE FROM NONRESIDENTS.

THE CITY'S RESPONSE CANNOT BE, YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WINDSOR POINT IS A DANGEROUS MENACE.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.

THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

JOURNALISTS HAVE EASILY EXPOSED SEVERAL ISSUES WITH THE CITY LAND LEASE THAT DOCTOR PACKER JUST MENTIONED, INCLUDING AN EMBARRASSING FACT THAT THE COMPANY THAT SIGNED THE CITY'S LAND LEASE APPARENTLY WASN'T EVEN ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS IN THE STATE AT THE TIME.

A LACK OF DUE DILIGENCE BY THE CITY STAFF IS WHAT GOT US HERE, AND THE CITY NEEDS TO GET US OUT OF IT.

FORMER MAYOR MATT HALL SAYS WINDSOR POINT IS THE WORST DECISION HE MADE AS MAYOR AND STRONGLY SUPPORTS ITS CLOSURE.

WE'VE EASILY FOUND SEVERAL WAYS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CLOSURE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP TO CONTINUE DOING SO.

IF THE CITY STAFF CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO DO THAT WORK, WE'LL BE REQUESTING A REPLACEMENT TEAM THAT WILL.

IF ANYONE THINKS THAT THE EASY WAY OUT HERE IS TO DISMISS THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS FOR SAFETY, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THAT IT IS NOT THE EASIEST WAY.

WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.

THE COMMUNITY WAS CLEAR IN ADVANCE THAT WE DID NOT WANT WINDSOR POINT NEAR FAMILIES, AND WE NEED YOUR ACTION FOR REMEDY TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT ANY PERSONAL AGENDAS. FURTHER, I REQUEST THAT ANY CITY LEADERS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT MAY HAVE FINANCIAL INTEREST IN COMPANIES DOING BUSINESS WITH WINDSOR POINT RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM RECOMMENDING ANYTHING THAT MAY BENEFIT THOSE COMPANIES.

SO THE QUESTION ISN'T CAN CARLSBAD AFFORD TO CLOSE WINDSOR POINT? THE QUESTION IS REALLY, CAN CARLSBAD AFFORD NOT TO CLOSE WINDSOR POINT? WINDSOR POINT IS A GIANT FINANCIAL LIABILITY, AND IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE PEOPLE INJURED THEIR PAST AND FUTURE.

FIND THE ENORMOUS PAPER TRAIL DOCUMENTING MANAGEMENT NEGLIGENCE.

WE NEED TO CLOSE WINDSOR POINT.

AND WE CAN CLOSE WINDSOR POINT, AND THE COMMUNITY HERE IS DEMANDING THAT WE DO SO.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS ROSEANNE BENTLEY, FOLLOWED BY TIMOTHY SCHNEIDER.

HI, I'M ROSEANNE BENTLEY.

BUT I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.

CONSIDERING THE DRUGS AND OTHER CRIME THAT ARE RAMPANT THERE, WHY WOULD ANYBODY SUBJECT THEIR FRIEND OR LOVED ONE OR FAMILY

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MEMBER TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE ARE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF CALLS TO POLICE? THIS VETERAN DESERVES TO HAVE A NICE PLACE TO LIVE, WHETHER IT'S LOW INCOME OR SUBSIDIZED.

HE DESERVES TO BE TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.

IN ESSENCE, HE COULD BECOME HOMELESS WHILE YOU'RE HOUSING A VIOLENT ELEMENT OF SOCIETY.

AND THAT IS WRONG.

VERY WRONG AND VERY SAD.

HIS TIME IS RUNNING OUT, AND HE'S MORE THAN ENTITLED TO ENJOY WHAT TIME REMAINS IN A SAFE AND SECURE HOME.

I SUGGEST YOU CREATE AN EMERGENCY PLAN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT WINDSOR POINT THAT WOULD MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO HOUSE DESERVING VETERANS, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SHUT DOWN.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TORN DOWN.

WHAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE HAPPEN IS FOR IT TO BE REIMAGINED, TO HOUSE THE LOW INCOME VETERANS THAT ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF HOUSING AND DESERVE TO BE CHOSEN FIRST.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO AT WINDSOR POINT, RIGHT? TO HOUSE VETERANS, NOT TO BE TOLD TO PUT THEIR NAME ON SOME NEBULOUS LIST.

A FIVE YEAR WAITING LIST WHERE MOST LIKELY THEY'LL NOT ONLY BE DEAD IN FIVE YEARS, BUT ALSO HOMELESS.

THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO TREAT OUR VETERANS.

THANK YOU. TIMOTHY SCHNEIDER.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M TIMOTHY SCHNEIDER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY HOMELESS UNION CHAPTER OF CALIFORNIA HOMELESS UNION.

ABOUT THE WINDSOR.

POINT APARTMENTS.

YOU KNOW, HOUSING FIRST SOLVES HOMELESSNESS.

I KNOW THIS IN 2018, YOUR HOMELESSNESS WAS 149, 152 PEOPLE.

LAST YEAR IT WAS 60 PEOPLE.

YOU GUYS ARE REDUCING HOMELESSNESS.

ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROPER SERVICES FOR THESE FOLKS AND MAYBE SECURED.

BUT IT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.

THAT'S ALL REALLY SOLVES HOMELESSNESS IS HOUSING.

JOYCE HASSALL, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT LEE.

ROBERT LEE. SOME OF THE FOREGOING BEARS REPEATING, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WINDSOR POINT HAS BECOME AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE.

THE ENORMOUS NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE IS WELL DOCUMENTED, BUT IS.

WHAT IS LESS TANGIBLE IS THE DISTURBING DAMAGE TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC AREAS.

THERE IS NO METHOD TO QUANTITATE THE PALPABLE DECLINE IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS LIKE DENNIS, AND THOSE TRYING TO ENJOY THE NEARBY PUBLIC PARKS.

AS HOUSED AND HOMELESS ALIKE, PURCHASE AND ABUSE DRUGS, ENGAGE IN PUBLIC DRINKING, STORE POSSESSIONS ON SIDEWALKS, AND ESTABLISH ENCAMPMENTS.

IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT MUCH OF THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY OCCURS AND SEEMS TO BE TOLERATED IN THE VICINITY OF WINDSOR POINT.

DESPITE THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS BETWEEN WINDSOR POINT AND THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THE AGREEMENT CAN BE RENEGOTIATED IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE, OR IF THERE IS A BREACH OF THE TERMS OF THE PROJECT.

AS DOCTOR PACKARD HAS OBSERVED, THE TIME HAS COME TO RESPECT AND PRIORITIZE THE NEEDS OF TAXPAYING CITIZENS.

THANK YOU. LORI ROBBINS, FOLLOWED BY TERRY JACOBS.

GOOD EVENING.

WINDSOR POINT.

SINCE IT OPENED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, IT HAS GENERATED OVER 700 CALLS TO THE POLICE.

THAT IS ONE CALL PER DAY.

ONE CALL PER DAY.

CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE, ATTEMPTED MURDER, DRUG DEALING, SHOOTINGS, BURGLARY.

THESE ARE SERIOUS CRIMES.

WINDSOR POINT IS A DANGER.

IT IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE, WASTING PRECIOUS POLICE TIME AND CREATING AN UNSAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR CHILDREN, RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS. IT IS IMPACTING ALL OF US.

NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE OR LIVE AROUND IT.

COUNCIL. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO ACT.

DO IT. TERRY JACOBS.

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF.

I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE.

I WANT TO THANK.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS BURKHOLDER AND ACOSTA FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TALK TO ME, ALONG WITH DIRECTOR MILLS AND YOUR STAFF.

WE'VE DISCUSSED NUMEROUS TIMES SOME OF THE ISSUES GOING ON AT WINDSOR POINT.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK SCOTT CHADWICK FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA.

THANKS, SCOTT. PROMISES TO OUR COMMUNITY WERE MADE AND THEN THEY WERE BROKEN.

NO PLACE LIKE HOME.

PERMANENT, SUPPORTIVE, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING HAS PROVEN TO BE A FAILED SOCIAL EXPERIMENT.

ONLY SIX RESIDENTS HAVE TIES TO CARLSBAD.

THERE HAVE BEEN 19 ARRESTS AND ONLY ONE EVICTION AND TWO PROCEEDING.

NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE PUBLIC TRUST HAS BEEN BROKEN AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE PROPOSALS.

IT IS TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.

THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING WILL BE ONGOING OR ENHANCED SECURITY OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES.

WE'RE TAKING BACK OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE FIGHTING FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR FAMILIES.

WE EXPECT NOTHING LESS FROM YOU.

DECLARE A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND TERMINATE THE LEASE.

THANK YOU. HOLLY HERRING, FOLLOWED BY ROSS STENERUD.

HELLO? I'M BACK.

HOLLY HERRING.

AND THIS IS MY PASSION AND MY CAREER.

MY LIFE.

THIS IS WHAT I DO. BUT I ALSO HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF HOMELESSNESS.

I'VE BEEN HOMELESS THREE TIMES IN MY LIFE.

SO I GUESS I'M GETTING BETTER AT OVERCOMING THAT BECAUSE IT'S TAKING LESS AND LESS TIME AND THERE'S MORE AND MORE SERVICES.

THIS IS A GREAT REPORT.

SO PART OF WHAT I DO IS LOOK OVER REPORTS LIKE THIS.

I DO THIS IN DIFFERENT STATES.

I DO THIS FOR A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS, AND THERE IS A LOT OF DATA IN THIS REPORT.

THE CITY STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

THE DATA PROVIDES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS, WHICH IS HOW WE MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS.

AND WE HAVE SOLUTIONS.

I DON'T AGREE, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THEM.

EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THOSE ARE ALL EXCELLENT.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA BACKING UP THAT IMPLEMENTING THOSE WILL BE EFFECTIVE.

HOUSING FIRST IS REALLY ONLY EFFECTIVE 20% OF THE TIME.

ARE 80% OF THE TIME, THERE'S ANOTHER 20% THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SOLUTION WITH CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS AND SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS.

THAT'S THE MAIN SOLUTION.

THIS IS A HOUSING FIRST OPPORTUNITY HERE IN CARLSBAD, ONE OF THE FEW DEVELOPMENTS.

IT'S VERY MUCH NEEDED.

AND YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY WHO, BEFORE THEY WERE HOUSED THERE, COULDN'T GO TO SCHOOL, COULDN'T GET ENOUGH NUTRITION TO BE HEALTHY.

DIDN'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

THEIR KIDS WEREN'T ENROLLED IN CHILD CARE AND THEY COULDN'T GO TO WORK.

SOMEBODY IN REHAB? A THREE MONTH PROGRAM.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE STREET.

THAT HAPPENED HERE IN CARLSBAD.

ROSS STENERUD.

HELLO, COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS ROSS STENSRUD.

MY FAMILY, INCLUDING MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE AND MY TWO YOUNG BOYS, MOVED INTO OUR HOME IN THE BARRIO NINE YEARS AGO WHEN MY OLDEST SON WAS JUST ONE YEAR OLD.

SINCE THEN, OUR STREET HAS GROWN TO 15 KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF TEN.

WE LOVE IT HERE AND WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.

TWO YEARS AGO, WITH THE OPENING OF WINDSOR POINT, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.

JUST THIS PAST THURSDAY, ON MY WAY TO POLICE ON MY WAY TO WORK, THE POLICE WERE RESPONDING TO A CALL AT DAWN.

AND THEN LAST NIGHT THEY WERE THERE AGAIN.

AND I GOT TO EXPLAIN TO MY YOUNGEST SON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A STOLEN CAR IS FOUND ON YOUR STREET.

HE'S GROWING UP RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES.

WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF OPENING, WINDSOR POINTE, A CONVICTED, CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER STARTED LIVING THERE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AFFIRMED HOUSING HAS STATED THAT THE PERSON IS NOT A TENANT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ON A LEASE.

HOWEVER, IN AN IN AN EMAIL FROM A FIRM TO THE CITY PLANNER DATED ON APRIL 21ST, 2020, AND A FIRM STAFFER, MURRAY ALLEN, STATED THAT THERE COULD BE AN UNLISTED RESIDENT LIVING THERE WITH OTHERS FOR SUPPORT.

THESE RESIDENTS ARE NOT ON LEASES AS NOTED, THEY'RE NOT BACKGROUND CHECKED AND THEY'RE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR BY AFFIRMED.

THE CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER CAN BE SEEN REGULARLY AROUND THE VILLAGE IN THE BARRIO, USUALLY SHIRTLESS AND YELLING AT PEOPLE AND THINGS.

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IT'S A DISTURBANCE AND IT'S A SAFETY THREAT.

THE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF WINDSOR POINTE, INCLUDING THE FORMER MAYOR, HAVE SAID THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT AFFIRMED PLANS TO HAVE RESIDENTS WHO WERE NOT ON LEASES OR BACKGROUND CHECKED IF THE CITY COUNCIL WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT ISSUE AT THE TIME OF THE APPROVALS, THEN THE APPROVALS SHOULD BE REEVALUATED.

THE CITY STILL OWNS THE LAND AT WINDSOR POINTE AND CAN TERMINATE THE LEASE WITH AFFIRMED AT ANY TIME FOR FRAUD.

FRAUD WAS LIKELY COMMITTED WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE ISSUES.

IT IT QUITE LIKELY WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUSED A NO VOTE.

I ASKED THE CITY TO CONDEMN THE PROPERTY.

MY FAMILY, MANY OF THE FAMILIES AND OTHER CHILDREN WHO LIVE NEARBY, AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM SUPPORT THE CITY, THE COUNTY.

LAUREN HALLER, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL SCHERZER.

HELLO, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LAUREN HORLER.

I LIVE ON CAMELLIA PLACE.

IT'S THE CUL DE SAC ADDRESS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WINDSOR POINT, THE HARDING LOCATION.

SINCE WINDSOR POINT OPENED IN APRIL 2022, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS EXPERIENCED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HIGHLY CONCERNING ACTIVITY ON OUR STREET.

WE HAVE SEEN RESIDENTS OF WINDSOR POINT PASSED OUT OVER THE STEERING WHEEL OF THEIR VEHICLE.

ONE INDIVIDUAL IS ACTUALLY PASSED OUT WHILE PARKED IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR STREET.

WE HAVE SEEN RESIDENTS ARRESTED, LITTERING AND EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH CRISES AND EXHIBITING AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR, ALL WHILE ON CAMELLIA PLACE.

CLEARLY, THE INCIDENCES THAT ARE OCCURRING INSIDE THE FACILITY ARE SPILLING OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

FOUR YEARS AGO, REPRESENTATIVES OF AFFIRMED HOUSING TOLD OUR COMMUNITY THAT THEY WOULD IMPLEMENT WRAPAROUND SOCIAL SERVICES, SECURITY AND BACKGROUND CHECKS.

THESE SAFETY MEASURES HAVE FALLEN SHORT.

AFFIRMED HOUSING CANNOT BE TRUSTED AND HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT OBTAINING THE FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR TENANTS. THANK YOU.

MICHAEL SCHERZER.

THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN VERY INTERESTING, BUT I HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

AS YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA CREATED THESE LAWS AND THEY WEREN'T WELL SPELLED OUT.

AND THEY HAD TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE LAWS AND THE MONEY TO THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

SO THEY HAD TO FIND A BIG APPLICANTS AND THEY FOUND COUNTIES.

OKAY. SO THE COUNTIES THEN ARE TO TRY TO CARRY OUT THE WISHES OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT, WHO HADN'T THOUGHT IT ALL OUT VERY CLEARLY AND NEITHER DID THE COUNTY.

SO YOU GOT TO FIND SOME PEOPLE ON THE GROUND THAT COULD ACTUALLY ENGAGE IN THIS PROCESS, THIS LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

SO THERE WAS WHERE CARLSBAD COMES IN.

AND SO I LOOK AT IT AS A STATE LAW THAT REALLY ISN'T A LAW FOLLOWED BY WHO'S GOING TO CARRY IT OUT, WHAT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET GRANTS, OKAY.

YOU GET GRANTS AND THEN IT DOESN'T WORK OUT.

SO YOU FIND CITIES AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THE CITIES.

THAT'S WHERE THE CITY OF CARLSBAD COMES IN.

YOUR OBLIGATION IS PRIMARILY TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS CITY.

BUT YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY AND I KNOW IT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW IT.

YOU'RE TRAPPED UNDER CERTAIN REGULATIONS THAT YOU CAN'T THINK YOU CAN GET OUT OF.

MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET OUT OF THEM.

SO IT BECOMES A VERY ABSTRACT DISCUSSION LIKE WE'RE HAVING THIS EVENING, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE LAWS ARE.

NONE OF YOU COULD ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IF I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE LAWS OF CALIFORNIA OR THE POLICIES OF THE COUNTY.

WE CAN BARELY FIGURE THINGS OUT OURSELVES DOWN HERE.

SO WHAT DO WE DO? WE NEED TO INVOLVE VOTERS.

THANK YOU SIR. YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED.

PHYLLIS BREALEY, FOLLOWED BY MATTHEW KEARNEY.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS PHYLLIS.

IN A WORLD THAT OFTEN FEELS DIVIDED, IT'S UP TO US TO CHOOSE KINDNESS, TO EXTEND A HELPING HAND, AND TO EMBRACE ONE ANOTHER WITH OPEN HEARTS.

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WE HAVE THE POWER TO WORK TOGETHER, TO COLLABORATE AND TO CREATE, TO CREATE SOLUTIONS THAT BRIDGE RESOURCES AND UNITE OUR HEARTS.

IT'S WITHIN OUR HANDS TO CULTIVATE AN ENVIRONMENT OF GRACE, EMPATHY, AND SOLIDARITY.

ALTHOUGH SOME DAYS IT'S TOUGH TO DO THAT.

TOGETHER, THOUGH, WE CAN FOSTER A COMMUNITY WHERE EVERY VOICE IS HEARD, WHERE EVERY PERSON IS VALUED, AND WHERE EVERY ACT OF KINDNESS REVERBERATES WITH PROFOUND IMPACT.

LET'S REMEMBER THAT IN EVERY INTERACTION, WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO UPLIFT, TO SUPPORT, AND TO SPREAD LOVE.

THIS IS A TIME.

THIS IS A TIME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, TO BUILD A LEGACY OF UNDERSTANDING AMONG OUR NEIGHBORS, REGARDLESS OF OUR REGARDLESS OF OUR DIFFERENCES, AND TO CELEBRATE OUR DIFFERENCES AND NURTURE THOSE.

WE CAN CREATE A FUTURE THAT SHINES WITH THE LIGHT OF KINDNESS.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND MAY WE ALL STRIVE TO SHOW, SHOW UP WITH KINDNESS EVERY DAY AND HELP OTHERS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD AT LARGE.

THANK YOU. MATTHEW KEARNEY.

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR LISTENING.

LISTENING TO ME TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS MATTHEW CARNEY.

I WAS FORMERLY HOMELESS, LIVED IN MY VAN FOR TEN YEARS.

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY.

I'VE ACTUALLY PARKED MY VAN ON YOUR BEACHES JUST BLOCKS AWAY FOR AGES.

AND IT'S A CONFESSION.

MAYBE I SHOULDN'T CONFESS IT, BUT I WAS A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

I NEVER LEFT TRASH, I WAS HELPFUL.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WINDSOR POINT IS A SUCCESS.

YOU HAVE GIVEN 48 FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS PERMANENT HOUSING.

THEY NEEDED IT.

YOU MAY HAVE SAVED THEIR LIVES.

I WHEN I FOUND PERMANENT HOUSING, MY LIFE WAS SAVED.

THERE'S A GREAT SIGN RIGHT HERE.

WHAT IS RIGHT FOR CARLSBAD IS NOT ALWAYS POPULAR.

WINDSOR POINT IS RIGHT FOR CARLSBAD.

THANK YOU. JIM BARNHILL, FOLLOWED BY SOCORRO ANDERSON.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS JIM BARNHILL.

I GREW UP HERE IN CARLSBAD PLAYING BASEBALL AND SOCCER.

WENT TO MAGNOLIA ELEMENTARY, CURRENTLY LIVE IN LA COSTA AND A MOVING TO THE VILLAGE, BUYING A NEW CONDO IN THE VILLAGE THIS YEAR.

SO I AM A FATHER OF FIVE.

I'M PRESIDENT OF CITY SC CARLSBAD, A SOCCER CLUB SERVING MORE THAN 3000 CARLSBAD YOUTH AGES 5 TO 17, ALL OF WHICH AT SOME POINT WILL USE PINE AVENUE PARK FOR THEIR SOCCER TRAINING AND GAMES.

IN FACT, TONIGHT WE HAVE TEN TEAMS, ROUGHLY 200 BOYS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 11 AND 14 PRACTICING RIGHT NOW, WHILE CARLSBAD YOUTH BASEBALL WILL HAVE HUNDREDS MORE BETWEEN CHASE AND PINE FROM 430 TO 930 TONIGHT.

THIS IS JUST TONIGHT AMONGST TWO USER GROUPS.

THINK ABOUT THE NUMBERS.

JUST AT PINE, DAY IN, DAY OUT FOR EVERYONE THAT USES THOSE FIELDS SOCCER, FLAG FOOTBALL, SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, LACROSSE AND RUGBY.

FOR YEARS, THE CITY HAS BEEN AWARE OF THE ISSUES THAT HOMELESSNESS BRING NEAR PINE CHASE AND HOLIDAY PARK.

THE HOMELESS AND MENTALLY ILL GATHER AT THESE PARKS AND MAKE THE BATHROOMS UNUSABLE FOR OUR YOUTH.

IT HAS GOTTEN SO BAD THAT WE MUST WALK OUR KIDS INSIDE THE GATES, HAND THEM OFF AT PINE TO THEIR COACHES, CLEAR THE BATHROOMS BEFORE THEIR USE.

CARLSBAD PARENTS USE ATHLETIC PROGRAMING TO FUEL AND BUILD THEIR CHILDREN'S PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH, NOT TO PUT OUR CHILDREN IN DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENTS AND SITUATIONS.

THE CITY NEEDS TO BE AS CONCERNED WITH EVERY CHILD WALKING TO SCHOOL OR THEIR SPORTS PRACTICE AS THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH AFFIRMED HOUSING.

I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO END THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH AFFIRMED HOUSING, TERMINATE THE GROUND LEASE AT WINDSOR POINT AND PROTECT OUR YOUTH AND RESIDENTS, RATHER THAN IMPORTING NON CARLSBAD RESIDENTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY WHO HAVE NO TIES TO CARLSBAD AT ALL.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. SOCORRO ANDERSON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL SOCORRO ANDERSON.

I HAVE READ ALL THE POSTINGS ON NEXTDOOR AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.

REFERENCE TO ARTICLE 34.

OF THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION.

ARTICLE 34 WAS INITIATED IN THE 50S BASED ON A REALTOR'S CODE OF ETHICS, WHICH INCLUDED A PROVISION BARRING AGENTS FROM INTEGRATING NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR NATIONALITY.

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SINCE THEN, THE CALIFORNIA STATE SUPREME COURT.

RULE. THE ACCEPTANCE OF FEDERAL FUNDS WAS NOT SUBJECT TO THE REFERENDUM AND THE RESIDENTS COULD NOT BLOCK DEVELOPMENTS.

IN RESPONSE TO THE VOTE BY THE PEOPLE HOUSING FUNDED BY FEDERAL AND STATE TAX CREDITS, A VOTE IS NOT REQUIRED BY ASKING THE CITY TO CONVERT THE PROPERTY TO RETIREMENT, HOUSING OR SALE, THE PUBLIC MARKET OR GREAT PROFIT OR OTHER ACTIONS PROHIBITING FURTHER BUSINESS UNDER CALIFORNIA STATE LAW AND CITY ZONING ORDINANCES.

SUPPORTED HOUSING.

ASSISTING DISABLED PERSONS IS A RESIDENTIAL USE AND NOT A BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL USE.

STATE AND FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING LAWS PROHIBIT DISCRIMINATION BASED ON DISABILITY.

MENTAL ILLNESS, ALCOHOL AND DRUG ADDICTIONS ARE CONSIDERED A DISABILITY.

BOTH WINDSOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ON OAK AND HARDING STREET WERE IN PART THE STATE HOUSING MANDATE DECLARING EITHER A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND ABATED AS SUGGESTED.

VANESSA GRAZIANO, FOLLOWED BY JULIE ASHER.

HELLO. I AM HERE WITH A HOPEFUL SPIRIT.

MY NAME IS VANESSA GRAZIANO AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF LEAH.

AND I ALSO GREW UP IN CARLSBAD.

MY GRANDFATHER, FRED RUSSELL, GREW UP ON TAMARACK IN THE 30S AND 40S AND ATTENDED THE ARMY NAVY ACADEMY AND EVEN WORKED THERE AFTER SCHOOL.

I LEARNED HOW TO DRIVE ON ELM STREET AND MY FIRST JOB WAS LINDA'S FROZEN YOGURT.

MY FAMILY STILL LIVES IN CARLSBAD, AND I CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT OUR TOWN.

WITH THE HELP OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND RESOURCES, I WAS ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IN MY LIFE BECAUSE I DID BECOME HOMELESS TEN YEARS AGO HERE IN CARLSBAD.

WE THRIVE TOGETHER.

SORRY. I CREATED A PROGRAM IN CARLSBAD, AND I CREATED A NONPROFIT DURING COVID, AND WE RAN A SHELTER RIGHT HERE AT THE MOTEL SIX.

I CREATED THIS PROGRAM IN CARLSBAD BASED ON MY OWN LIVED EXPERIENCE OUT THERE.

AND KNOWING THAT I NEEDED PEOPLE TO WALK ALONGSIDE ME AND NOT DEHUMANIZE ME AND NOT THROW ME AWAY, WHICH, SADLY, IS WHAT I FEEL IS HAPPENING TODAY IN OUR CITY.

RECENT EVENTS HAVE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT COUNCIL ACTS OF HATE SPEECH AND CRIMES AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE OUR FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS TARGETED, AND IT'S ALSO DISHEARTENING TO SEE MY FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS TREAT PEOPLE THIS WAY.

AS WE STAND TOGETHER IN UNITY, IT'S A CRUCIAL TIME THAT WE MUST ADDRESS.

WE MUST COME TOGETHER AND NOT CONDEMN HATE SPEECH AND ACTIONS AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.

I AM PROUD TO SHARE WITH YOU THE INSPIRING WORK BEING DONE AT WINDSOR POINT.

THE RESOURCES BEING PROVIDED ARE CREATING PATHWAYS OF HEALING AND EMPOWERMENT FOR THOSE IN NEED.

THE PROJECT IS A BEACON OF HOPE.

THE PROGRAM IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE EVEN THOUGH IT HAS SOME ROADBLOCKS ALONG THE WAY.

IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO REMEMBER THAT CHANGE TAKES TIME.

WE MUST BE PATIENT AND COMPASSIONATE AND WORK TOWARDS A MORE HEALED COMMUNITY.

SPREADING HATE AND MAKING OTHERS FEEL UNWELCOME ONLY SERVES TO DIVIDE AND WEAKEN THE FABRIC OF OUR TOWN.

AS LEADERS, IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO SHOW UP AND BE POWERFUL WITH OUR WORDS, AND KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE, CHANGE AND GUIDE THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE AND PURPOSEFUL WAY. LET US NOT DIVIDE, AND INSTEAD LET US COME TOGETHER AND SUPPORT AND EDUCATE THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, JULIE ASTER.

IN 2020, SOME OF YOU WERE DUPED INTO SIGNING A CONTRACT TO BUILD A COUPLE OF DRUG HOUSES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WINDSOR POINT IS.

IT'S UNFORTUNATELY IN THE NO PLACE FOR HOME RULES.

DO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS CHANGE THOSE RULES? NO. AND STAFF DOES HAVE MY EMPATHY.

ESCONDIDOS. YOU'RE CHANGING THEIR RULES.

WHY ARE WE NOW URGING MANAGEMENT TO DO A SIMPLE VISITOR LOG SIX MONTHS AFTER THE POLICE CHIEF'S LETTER? IT MOST LANDLORDS.

IF YOU GET A LETTER FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE URGED.

SIX MONTHS LATER, IT WOULD BE MY GUESS.

THE LEASE IS FULL OF HOLES.

PLEASE VOID IT AND REPURPOSE THE BUILDING.

MENTALLY ILL.

PEOPLE WHO NEED A PEACEFUL, STABLE ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE ALL FOR A CHANGE LIKE THAT.

AND IT IS NOT HATEFUL IN ANY WAY TO TRY AND PROVIDE MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WITH A NICE, PEACEFUL, STABLE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS NOT WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AND IT DOES BOTHER ME THAT THERE SHOULD BE ANY TALK ABOUT CREATING TWO NO GO ZONES AS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION.

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I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT'S NOT WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF MEANT AT ALL, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE IF WE SEE ANYBODY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RUNNING AROUND THREATENING TO KILL CHILDREN, NONE OF US ARE GOING TO CONSIDER OURSELVES HATEFUL, TO SPEAK UP AND GIVE THE COPS A CALL.

AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIMES YOU GUYS HAVE SHOWN UP.

I HAVE ONLY MADE ONE CALL MYSELF IN THESE TWO YEARS, BUT BOY, THE LEAST OPEN SOMETHING BETTER.

WE'VE GOT THE BUILDINGS.

WE ARE THE LANDLORDS.

WE HAVE THE POWER. THANK YOU.

JOHN BRADY, FOLLOWED BY PATRICK GILLIGAN.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND TO EVERYONE HERE.

I REALLY MY NAME IS JOHN BRADY.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LIVED EXPERIENCE ADVISORS.

WE ARE A GROUP OF FORMERLY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT ACTUALLY ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

AND WE COME TO COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT ARE FACING CHALLENGES LIKE THIS TO TRY TO INTERVENE AND HELP.

I HEAR EVERYTHING THAT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE VOICING HERE AND THESE ARE CONCERNS, BUT I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL AND THE HOMELESS TEAM HERE IN WORKING TOWARDS AND BECOMING PART OF THE SOLUTION, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE HOMELESS, LARGELY THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMELESS.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN LEFT OUT THERE FOR YEARS.

AND THE RESULT OF THAT IS FROM A LACK OF SLEEP AND THE STRESSES, ETC., IS IMMEDIATELY AFTER A YEAR OF BECOMING BECOMING CHRONICALLY HOMELESS, YOUR AVERAGE LIFESPAN DROPS 17 YEARS AND YOU BEGIN TO DEVELOP PERMANENT PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE.

AND THAT IS A PROBLEM.

YOU ARE CREATING A SOLUTION HERE.

AND REALLY WHAT I'D LOVE TO SEE IS THIS COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER.

AND THAT'S WHY I'VE SUGGESTED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE HOST AN OPEN HOUSE AND A BARBECUE FOR FOLKS TO COME AND MEET THEIR NEIGHBORS AND GET TO KNOW THEM, BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU KNOW EACH OTHER, THIS IS A PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY, AND WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE FOLKS THAT NEED ADDITIONAL HELP, AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO IS SHORT, 18,500 BEHAVIORAL HEALTH WORKERS.

THAT'S A SMALL TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POPULATION HERE IS, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER.

SO WE'RE ALSO FACING THAT AS A AS AN ISSUE.

ADDITIONAL SERVICES ARE NEEDED HERE.

WE SUPPORT THE CHANGES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED.

BUT I WANT TO ALSO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS.

HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT SIDE LOOK OR THAT GLANCE OR SOMEONE PAYING.

CAN CAUSE. PATRICK GILLIGAN.

HI, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU. PATRICK GILLIGAN.

I AM ALSO FORMERLY HOMELESS.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME OUT WITH LEAH.

I WOULD REITERATE EVERYTHING THAT MR. BRADY HAS TO SAY.

HE CERTAINLY KNOWS THIS ISSUE MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE THAT I KNOW.

I AM A TEN YEAR VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, HONORABLY DISCHARGED, DID THREE TOURS AND SUFFER FROM PTSD, AND FOUND MY WAY THROUGH THE GATES. I CAN TELL YOU THIS FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE VETERANS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN HOUSES IN THIS LOCATION, I WOULD PERSONALLY BE GLAD TO GIVE UP MY SPOT FOR ANYBODY WHO NEEDED IT.

HOUSING IS THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO HELP END HOMELESSNESS.

WE GOT TO FIND IT.

MR. MAYOR, EARLIER TONIGHT YOU TALKED ABOUT TO YOUR FIRST THE FOLKS THAT WERE HERE AND YOUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS.

YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING EMPATHY FOR EACH SIDE, UNDERSTANDING THAT NO ONE WAS GETTING OUT OF THIS EASY.

AND YOU ASKED FOR SOME COMPROMISE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK ALL OF THE FOLKS AT CARLSBAD TO DO, IS TO FIND SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO ADDRESS US WHEN YOU TURN YOUR YOUR I'M SORRY, BEING HEARD BY THE MICROPHONE.

I'M SORRY. ANYWAYS, THAT THAT IS THAT IS WHAT I'D ASK IS THAT THERE BE SOME COMPROMISE FOR BOTH SIDES.

AND THEN IN THE TIME REMAINING, I WOULD JUST ASK EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE TODAY AND ALL OF THE FOLKS ON THE STREET ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY SUFFERING, AND WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THANK YOU. JULIE PORTER, FOLLOWED BY DENNIS LARKIN.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS EVENING.

MY NAME IS JULIE PORTER AND I TOO AM WITH THE LIVED EXPERIENCE ADVISORS.

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I SPENT MY 60TH BIRTHDAY ON THE STREETS.

I HAVE SINCE RECEIVED A HOUSING GRANT OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

I WAS ON THE STREET SUFFERING.

I'M FORTUNATE TO HAVE RECEIVED THIS GRANT.

I WAS ABLE TO BRING MY MENTAL.

MENTAL HEALTH SCORES MORE IN LINE.

AND YES, I DO HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS.

AND I'M DOING QUITE WELL.

I GET THE SUPPORT I NEED THROUGH FATHER JOE'S AND THROUGH LEAH, OF COURSE.

BUT I WANT TO SAY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WORKS.

IT REALLY DOES.

PLEASE HELP.

WE NEED WE NEED HOMES FOR, FOR, ESPECIALLY VETERANS AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO IS DESERVING.

THEY WERE ONCE SOMEBODY'S LITTLE BOYS AND LITTLE GIRLS.

THEY'RE NOW ADULTS.

THEY. THEY NEED US.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

DENNIS LARKIN.

HI, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS DENNIS LARKIN, AND I'M ALSO WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE ADVISORS.

AND I ALSO HAVE A DIAGNOSED MENTAL CONDITION.

THERE WAS A TIME FIVE YEARS AGO THAT I WAS PRETTY USELESS.

AND I'M HEARING THE PROBLEMS THAT THAT BOTH SIDES ARE HAVING HERE, AND.

IT. TO BE HONEST, I'M HEARING.

ONE SIDE SEEMS TO BE TAKING THE WATER AND MAKING IT MUDDY, SO IT APPEARS TO BE DEEPER.

THE PROBLEMS THERE ARE SOLVABLE.

TO ME, IT'S JUST IT'S REAL SIMPLE.

I'M GOING TO JUST DO IT SIMPLE BECAUSE I'M.

I'M ANGRY ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

I CAME DOWN HERE TO SEE THIS, AND.

IT'S ABOUT WHAT? THE KIND OF PERSON IS THAT EACH ONE OF YOU WANTS TO BE.

REALLY? ARE YOU THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO FIX BROKEN THINGS? OR ARE YOU SOMEONE WHO THROWS AWAY THINGS WHEN THEY'RE BROKEN? DO YOU ABANDON SOMETHING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD? BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN OR YOU TAKE IT TO A PLACE TO FIX IT.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH HERE RIGHT NOW.

AND I ASKED SIMPLY THAT YOU TAKE THE TIME TO HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT AND KEEP THAT IN MIND, BECAUSE IT HAS.

EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE SOLUTIONS YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH.

THANK YOU. RENEE ANTONACCI, FOLLOWED BY NATALIE RUCHKA.

HELLO, MY NAME IS RENEE ANTONACCI.

I HAVE LIVED IN CARLSBAD SINCE 1995.

GRADUATED CARLSBAD HIGH SCHOOL AND I CURRENTLY LIVE ON AVOCADO LANE, WHICH IS ONE BLOCK NORTH OF CAMILLA PLACE, SO JUST ACROSS FROM WINDSOR POINT.

MOST OF WHAT I HAD TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT AND MY OPINION IS THAT WINDSOR PLACE EITHER NEEDS TO BE DECLARED A PUBLIC NUISANCE OR TO TERMINATE THE LEASE.

BUT I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I FULLY SUPPORT LOW INCOME AND HOMELESS HOUSING.

BUT WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW WHERE IT'S PLACED, SPECIFICALLY THE ONE ON HARDING, HOW THAT THAT WAS DEEMED THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, WITH THE NEEDS THAT WE KNEW WERE GOING TO BE NEEDED TO PROVIDE.

SO WHEN YOU GUYS PULLED UP THE MAP, YOU COULD SEE CHASE FIELD AND PINE PARK ON THERE.

BUT WHAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THAT MAP IS 0.2 MILES AWAY, JEFFERSON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE TWO PRESCHOOLS THAT ARE RIGHT IN THE VICINITY OF CHASE FIELD AND PINE PARK.

AND SO MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS.

WHY IS IT OKAY TO PUT OUR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN AT RISK? SO THAT WE CAN.

I'M NOT I'M NOT ARTICULATING THIS WELL.

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BUT WHY IS IT OKAY TO SAY OKAY, SO THESE PEOPLE NEED HELP.

SO THEREFORE WE ARE GOING TO JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL I HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS TO OUR CHILDREN AND I HOPE WE'RE SAFE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S IT.

NATALIE RUCHKA.

HI. THANK YOU, NATALIE RASCHKE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE ADVISORS.

I AM MANY THINGS AND I'M A MOM, A WIFE, A SISTER, AN AUNT, A COUSIN, A COLLEGE GRADUATE.

YOUR BARTENDER, A FRIEND, A NEIGHBOR, AND A DAUGHTER.

THE CHILD OF A MOTHER, JUST LIKE THE REST OF YOU.

A DAUGHTER WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE OF BEING HOMELESS.

WITH CHILDREN OF MY OWN.

LIFE WILL HAPPEN AND LIFE IS UNEXPECTED.

AS A MOTHER, BEING HOMELESS WITH CHILDREN, I HAD TO ENDURE THE PAIN.

UNDESCRIBABLE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON NOT PAYING FOR MYSELF.

BUT THE PAIN AND DISAPPOINTMENT PAINTED ON MY CHILDREN'S FACES.

FROM THE COMMENTS AND THE LOOKS THAT WE WOULD GET FROM PEOPLE.

PAIN I WAS FORCED TO FEEL TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY AND HOW PEOPLE COULD BE SO CRUEL.

INSTEAD OF BEING PATIENT AND UNDERSTANDING.

THEY WOULD LOOK AT US WITH DISGUST, LIKE WE WEREN'T PEOPLE AS WELL.

MYSELF, MY HUSBAND AND OUR FOUR CHILDREN LIVED IN AN RV IN A VAN FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, TAKEN FROM THEIR CHILDHOOD.

MY HUSBAND HAS A GOOD JOB.

WE HAD A 401 K AND WE HAD A SAVINGS.

YET THERE WE WERE.

STAND. STAND UP.

CITIZENS ON THE STREETS.

A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE WERE ABLE TO GET INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WITH THE HELP OF THE HOUSING COMMISSION, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO START TO REBUILD OUR LIVES AND MY KIDS IN THEIR CHILDHOOD.

SO I'M ASKING WHEN WILL.

WE AS A SOCIETY GOING TO DO BETTER, BETTER AT SERVING OUR PEOPLE, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CHILDREN? AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RESOURCES WILL HELP US DO BETTER.

THANK YOU. RACHEL HAYES, FOLLOWED BY MERRILL ADRIAN.

HI, I'M RACHEL HAYES.

I'M WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE ADVISORS.

I BECAME A HOMELESS HUMAN JUNE 9TH, 2012.

IT'S TAKEN ME OVER TEN YEARS TO GET HOUSING.

JUNE 20TH, 2023 I GOT HOUSING AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING DOWN IN SAN YSIDRO, AND IT WORKS WITH WRAPAROUND SERVICES AND IT'S SLOWLY GROWING.

I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE EIGHT MONTHS, BUT I'VE WATCHED THEM.

ADD SERVICES AND PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HOMELESS THAT ARE NOW LIVING IN THE BUILDING.

WE HAVE 64 UNITS WITH FAMILIES SINGLES THERE NOW.

I MEAN, THERE ARE PROBLEMS, THERE ARE ISSUES.

THERE ARE. UNFORTUNATELY, DRUG DEALERS, PEOPLE USING DRUGS, IT HAPPENS, BUT THEY ARE WORKING.

MANAGEMENT IS WORKING DILIGENTLY ON CHANGING ALL OF THAT.

WE'VE INSTALLED CAMERAS WITH MICROPHONES.

THEY'RE ON TOP OF IT.

AND ANYTHING THAT I NEED FROM MANAGEMENT OR ANY OF THEIR ASSOCIATES I CAN GO TO AND ASK AND THEY WILL HELP ME GET WHAT I NEED.

I STILL HAVE A CASEWORKER FROM ALPHA PROJECT THAT CHECKS ON ME ONCE A WEEK TO MAKE SURE I'M OKAY, AND I DON'T NEED ANYTHING, AND THAT I'M THAT I'M ACCLIMATING WELL FROM BEING ON THE STREETS SO WELL, PEOPLE DON'T TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE ACCLIMATION AND ADJUSTING TO HOUSING IS A LOT HARDER THAN PEOPLE THINK.

IT'S TAKING ME OVER SIX MONTHS TO REALIZE I NEED THERAPY NOW FROM ALL THE TRAUMA OF THE STREETS, AND I WAS CLEAN AND SOBER THE WHOLE TIME ON THE STREETS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. MERRILL, ADRIAN.

MY NAME IS MERRILL ADRIAN.

I'VE LIVED IN CARLSBAD FOR 15 YEARS.

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THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON THE WINDSOR POINT PROJECT.

FIRST OF ALL, I APPLAUD THE DECISION TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR OUR HOMELESS VETERANS.

HOWEVER, MY MOM, WHO IS NO LONGER WITH US, WAS MENTALLY ILL FOR MANY YEARS OF HER LIFE AND MY GRANDSON IS CURRENTLY HOMELESS IN ALASKA. NOT A GREAT PLACE TO BE HOMELESS.

HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY.

IS LIFE IS ABOUT CHOICES AND LIFE IS A CONTRACT.

AND IT CONCERNS ME.

THAT. PUTTING MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE IN MAINSTREAM WITH PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TONIGHT THAT JUST NEED SOME HELP GETTING THINGS BACK TOGETHER.

FOR WHATEVER REASON.

CALIFORNIA IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN.

WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE REGULATIONS.

COST TWICE AS MUCH TO BUILD A HOUSE IN CALIFORNIA THAN ANY OTHER STATE.

I BELIEVE.

THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH WINDSOR POINT.

AND BY THAT I MEAN ON THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE MANAGEMENT.

AND. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROBLEMS. WE KNOW WE'VE HAD A FEW SUCCESSES, BUT I THINK TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM OF HOMELESSNESS WITH A PROBLEM OF MENTAL ILLNESS IS. IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

YOU NEED MORE THAN ONE HOUR A WEEK OF COUNSELING.

YOU NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE SURE YOU TAKE YOUR MEDS, IF YOU'RE ON MEDS, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL.

IT'S A VERY, VERY DISTURBING THING.

AS MAYOR OF CARLES, OF CORONADO, RICHARD BAILEY, HE.

WHEN YOU FIND OUT WHAT IT IS.

MAUREEN MUIR, FOLLOWED BY FRANCESTI.

HELLO, MY NAME IS MOMIR.

I'M A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD.

EVERY RESIDENT, INCLUDING MYSELF, MOVES TO CARLSBAD.

BUT IS CONSIDERED TO BE BEAUTIFUL, PEACEFUL, NURTURING ENVIRONMENT, SAFE FOR FAMILIES, SAFE FOR SENIORS, AND SAFE FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES.

THAT IS WHY I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH WINDSOR POINT FACILITY.

THE WINDSOR POINT FACILITY WAS ORIGINALLY TO BE A PLACE THAT WOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR LOWER INCOME MILITARY VETERANS AND HOMELESS VETERANS.

IT WAS PROMISED A MUCH NEEDED HOUSING FOR HOMELESS VETERANS IN CARLSBAD.

IT IS A COMMENDABLE PROJECT THAT THE CITY WAS TO EMBARK ON.

INSTEAD, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, MICKEY WILLIAMS, STATED IN A LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL UNFORTUNATELY, MANY MORE POLICE INVOLVED ACTIVITIES ARE GOING ON THERE.

SOMETIMES YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION RIGHT.

I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT PAST DECISIONS.

I'M HERE TO ASK YOU MAKE THE PAST DECISIONS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT WORKING OUT.

IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE WE GIVE TO AVOID WHEN WORKING ON SOMETHING.

SINCE THE WINDSOR POINT OPENED IN MAY 2022, THERE HAVE BEEN 750 CALLS FOR SERVICE.

THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS INTEGRAL PART OF WHY PEOPLE MOVE TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE POLICE, THE CARLSBAD POLICE, THEY ARE AMAZING.

THEY HAVE UNBELIEVABLE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS. THEY'RE ALWAYS VISIBLE AND THEY KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

BUT AS THE POLICE CHIEF STATED, THEY NEED MORE HELP.

IF WINDSOR POINT FACILITY IS TO REMAIN ON THIS PATH.

THE CITY WITH GOOD INTENTIONS CONTRIBUTED $8 MILLION TO THIS PARTNERED PROJECT.

THE CITY COUNCIL'S NUMBER ONE JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE HERE, AND IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

THE CURRENT SITUATION IS NOT WORKING OUT.

IT IS TIME FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND FULLY, FULLY UTILIZE ALL IT HAS THE MOU AND AGREEMENTS.

THE RESIDENT SEEKERS.

THE LOCAL CODE ENFORCEMENT.

FRANCESTI. HI, I'M FRANCESCA.

I LIVE IN CARLSBAD FOR 40 YEARS.

I ACTUALLY HAVE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY OUT HERE.

AND I THINK WHAT I'VE CHANGED MY PLANS FOR, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, TO SAY NOW, I THINK ALL OF US REALLY CARE ABOUT HOUSING OUR VETERANS.

I THINK WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BACK THEN WAS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.

OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THAT AFFIRMED HOUSING COULD CARE LESS ABOUT MANAGING THE PROPERTY PROPERLY.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION.

ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MAKING MONEY.

THE HEADS OF THEIR OF THEIR TEN PEOPLE MAKE A LOT OF MONEY A YEAR.

I KNOW THAT THEY SPENT OVER THREE QUARTERS OF $1 MILLION IN POLITICAL DONATIONS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY NEED TO DO AT THIS PROPERTY.

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AND IT'S NOT WHAT WAS PROMISED.

SO I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CLOSE IT DOWN OR DO WHATEVER, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL REALLY WANT TO HELP SOME PEOPLE.

I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY SAFER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN, IN THE TOWN OR IN THAT ON THOSE STREETS.

I WOULD BE FURIOUS IF I OWNED THOSE HOUSES.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR PROPERTY VALUES.

THE PROBABLY THE ONLY PLACE IN CARLSBAD THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE DOWN BECAUSE OF THIS UNIT.

IT'S UNSAFE.

YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK AT THE LEASE, WHAT YOU DID WITH THEM, AND EITHER CANCEL AFFIRMED HOUSING AND GET SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE PLACE NEEDS 24 OVER SEVEN CARE, AND YOU CAN'T DEPEND UPON ASKING FOR A GRANT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

NOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE PLACE GOING TODAY WITH ALL THE KIDS AROUND, WITH THE PARKS, WITH THE SCHOOLS, IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT THESE RESIDENTS HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. AND IT'S NOT FAIR.

ALL GOOD INTENTIONS.

GREAT. MAKE IT.

MAKE IT RIGHT FOR EVERYBODY WHO LIVES THERE, AND MAKE IT RIGHT FOR THE VETERANS WHO YOU WANT TO SERVE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO WE WANTED THERE.

CARLSBAD RESIDENTS OR PENDLETON OR OCEANSIDE, AT LEAST NOT FROM ALL OVER.

I'VE HEARD THAT THEY'RE FROM LA.

THEY'RE FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT ARE LIVING THERE.

SO I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE SECURITY, NOT A GUEST REGISTRATION.

YOU NEED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT'S POSSIBLE TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT BLOCK AND AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOUR CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN THIS TOWN.

LAURA BONUSES, FOLLOWED BY JOSH O'CONNOR.

A FEW WEEKS AGO, A FEMALE RESIDENT INSIDE WINDSOR POINT WAS SCREAMING THAT SHE FOUND A SEVERED ARM ON THE GROUND.

MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS RAN OUT OF THEIR HOMES.

POLICE WERE CALLED AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

UPON INVESTIGATION, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS NOT A HUMAN BODY PART.

BUT THIS IS A DAY IN THE LIFE OF LIVING NEAR WINDSOR POINT.

A CHILD HAS BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED BY GUESTS OF A TENANT.

SOMEONE HAS DIED INSIDE THE HARDING LOCATION.

AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I SPOKE TO THE CORONER, BUT THE DEATH WAS BURIED IN THE DATA.

THE SEVERITY OF THESE INCIDENCES SHOULD BE EVERYONE'S PRIORITY.

WHEN THERE WERE TWO METHAMPHETAMINE DRUG BUSTS IN THE WEEKS PRIOR, I WAS WITH MY KID AT THE PLAYGROUND.

I HAD REPORTED ON THE PREVALENCE OF PUBLICLY INTOXICATED INDIVIDUALS STUMBLING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WAS EXTREMELY BAD.

TO ASSUME THAT THE MOST NEGATIVE ELEMENTS OF WINDSOR POINT ARE NOT SPREADING OUT INTO OUR COMMUNITY IS FOOLISH.

DARE WE ASK? WE'RE FAMILIES OF HIGH SCHOOLERS MADE VULNERABLE WHEN THESE DRUGS CAME INTO OUR CITY BECAUSE THEY WERE SOLD OUT OF WINDSOR POINT.

WHAT WAS THE FOLLOW UP ON THAT? MORE SECURITY WILL NOT SOLVE THE SEVERITY OF THESE PROBLEMS. A SIGN IN SHEET WON'T BE ENFORCEABLE WHEN TERMS TO RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THESE UNITS CAN BE ABUSED.

THERE ARE OTHER FLAWS IN THE DESIGN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT IS CONCERNING TO ME THAT AN ACTION ITEM IS TO CONSIDER DISSUADING THE SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL TENANTS FROM CALLING THE POLICE.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT LINE OF SUPPORT IS MANIPULATED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, OR THAT THE DATA IS NOT REPORTED UPON? THIS WAS A PILOT PROGRAM BETWEEN AFFIRMED HOUSING AND NO PLACE LIKE HOME.

WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE BAND-AIDS.

WHEN A PROJECT IS ROTTEN AT ITS CORE, TO BE AGAINST WINDSOR POINT IS NOT ANTI-HOMELESS, BUT IT HAS FAILED THE TENANTS AND FAILED THE COMMUNITY.

WE NEED A FULL STOP. SHUT DOWN WINDSOR.

JOSH O'CONNOR.

YOU MEAN? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MY NAME IS JOSHUA O'CONNOR, AND I'VE BEEN A THIRD GENERATION CITIZEN HERE IN CARLSBAD.

AND I HAVE SPECIFICALLY GROWN UP.

50FT FROM WHERE WINDSOR POINT IS LOCATED.

OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AND WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE EVEN MORE CHANGES.

THE HOUSING THAT WAS PROMISED TO US YEARS AGO WITH THE TAVARUA PROPERTY WAS MEANT TO BE FOR VETERANS AND SENIOR CITIZENS, AND IT STAYED TRUE TO THAT.

WE WERE SOLD SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE.

WE WERE ASSURED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE FOR VETERANS, THAT THE PROPER SERVICES WOULD BE THERE.

AND IT'S VERY REMINISCENT OF WHAT KIND OF HAPPENED WITH THE STRAWBERRY FIELDS.

WE WERE SOLD SOMETHING THAT WASN'T TRUE, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL EVERYTHING CAME TO LIGHT TO THE CITIZENS, CAME UP TO THE BOARD AND STARTED SPEAKING THEIR PIECE.

THE NEXT PROPERTY THAT IS GOING UP.

WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THERE.

WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING.

AND AT THIS POINT, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN WINDSOR POINT, I'M FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M FOR THE SERVICES THAT ARE THERE.

BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE TOLD IS NOT BEING TAKEN PLACE.

THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY WHO ARE TAXPAYING RESIDENTS, WHO ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE SLEEPING OUT ON THE STREETS, PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSED OUT FROM DRUG USE.

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AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S THE KIDS THAT ARE IN OUR CITIES, IN OUR IN OUR CITY AS WELL THAT ARE BEING PUT IN DANGER.

AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THANKS. THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS.

NEXT WILL BE QUESTIONS.

I'LL BEGIN THE QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IS THAT THERE'S LIMITED NUMBER OF VETERANS LIVING AT THE TWO WINDSOR POINT LOCATIONS.

HOW MANY VETERANS DO WE CURRENTLY HOUSE? WELL, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DO MOVE IN AND OUT.

SO WHEN THE ORIGINAL THE ORIGINAL LEASE UP, WE HAD 12 VETS.

THREE OF THOSE WERE CARLSBAD VETS.

OKAY. AND THEN CURRENTLY, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE? WE DO NOT HAVE THAT.

I'M SORRY. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY. AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETIMES I DON'T WANT TO SAY HOMELESS, BUT SOMETIMES UNDER SHELTERED VETERANS HAVE APPLIED TO STAY AT WINDSOR POINT AND WERE REJECTED BECAUSE THEY MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY TO LIVE THERE, BUT THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO GET AN APARTMENT ON THEIR OWN.

IS THAT ACCURATE? EXACTLY. SO THAT WAS I BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE PRESENTATION.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR KIND OF ADVOCACY RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THE THE VA BENEFITS ARE TOO MUCH TO LIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THIS PROPERTY, HOWEVER, JUST NOT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN.

OF COURSE, WITH HOUSING SO EXPENSIVE.

SO IT IS A CONUNDRUM FOR THIS PROPERTY.

AS I MENTIONED, THOUGH, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER VETERAN ONLY PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND SO MANY FOLKS ARE ABLE TO GET REFERRALS FOR THEIR. WHO DO WE WHO? WHO HAS CONTROL OF RAISING THAT INCOME LIMIT LIMIT SO VETERANS WHO GET THEIR BENEFITS CAN STILL LIVE THERE.

WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT? I THINK THERE WOULD IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE WOULD BE TWO ADVOCACY REQUIREMENTS.

SO WOULD BE THE BOTH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AS WELL AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL TAX CREDITS THAT WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY WITH THOSE REGULATIONS.

AND THEN THERE ARE THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME FUNDS THROUGH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ENTITIES WILL ALLOW SOME TYPE OF WAIVER OR AN EXCEPTION FOR VA BENEFITS TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM INCOME LIMIT. WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED SOUNDS LIKE A TON OF RED TAPE AND A LOT OF TIME REALISTICALLY, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN GET DONE? IT IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.

AND I THINK IT REQUIRES SOME LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY, AND I THINK WE COULD DO THAT PROBABLY REGIONALLY AS WELL.

I THINK THERE COULD BE GET GET A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND A LOT OF OTHER ENTITIES THAT COULD BACK THAT RECOMMENDATION.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE YOU KNOW, JUST CITY OF CARLSBAD YOU KNOW, WRITING TO THE STATE ON THEIR OWN, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A MAJORITY OR A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICES MADE BY THREE RESIDENTS.

AND DID I UNDERSTAND ONE IS ALREADY BEEN EVICTED AND THERE'S TWO IN THE PROCESS OF BEING EVICTED? AND WHAT HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE BEFORE THE OTHER TWO ARE EVICTED? SURE, THE MAJORITY OF THE CALLS WERE FOR SEVEN RESIDENTS.

ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS WAS EVICTED QUITE A WHILE AGO, AND THEN TWO ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EVICTION PROCEEDINGS.

NOW, AN EVICTION CAN TAKE 6 TO 8 MONTHS, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO FOR THOSE TWO RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN PROCESS, IF THAT WAS, IF THOSE NOTICES WERE GIVEN, SAY, YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS AGO, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS OUT POTENTIALLY.

I WOULD NOTE THERE ARE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT HAVE MOVED OUT VOLUNTARILY AFTER DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, FROM CASE MANAGEMENT AND FROM THE, FROM THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE WERE SO FOR OTHER RESIDENTS, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, VIOLATIONS WHERE BASICALLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A FIT FOR THEM.

THEY THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BE EVICTED, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION FOR THEM AS WELL.

AND SO THEY WORK WITH SERVICES TO BASICALLY HAVE THEM VOLUNTARILY TURN IN THEIR KEYS.

OKAY. AND A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS TALKED ABOUT VIOLATIONS OF THE LEASE.

AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING, THE CITY MANAGER READ A STATEMENT THAT CAME OUT OF OUR CLOSED SESSION BECAUSE IT THE THE CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP AFTER THE CITY MANAGER READ THAT.

I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER READ IT AGAIN.

SO THE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LEASE AND ANY VIOLATIONS OF THE LEASE.

CITY MANAGER.

I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE.

YEAH. CINDY HAD WON THE REPORT OUT.

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I'M SORRY. THE REPORT OUT.

I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. THE REPORT OUT OF CLOSED SESSION WAS THAT THE COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO RETAIN OUTSIDE HOUSING.

COUNSEL TO ADDRESS WINDSOR POINT MATTERS.

OKAY. QUESTIONS OF STAFF, MISS BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND FOR WRITING TO US.

SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

I'LL TRY NOT TO REPEAT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN ASKED.

I KNOW ONE A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WERE PROMISED WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US WAS AROUND 20 FOR OUR CASE MANAGERS AND THEN ON SITE SECURITY, WHICH I KNOW WE HAVE ASKED AS A RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF THE 24 HOURS A DAY.

CASE MANAGERS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMING FROM THE COUNTY.

IS THAT ACCURATE? SO THERE'S TWO LEVELS OF SERVICES ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE ARE SERVICES BEING PROVIDED BY INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES CONTRACTED BY THE WINDSOR POINT PROPERTY ITSELF, AND THAT IS FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE.

SO ALL 48 RESIDENTS AND THEN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES CONTRACTS WITH ALPHA FOR THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME RESIDENTS.

AND THAT'S CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WITH REFERRALS FOR OTHER OTHER SERVICES THAT WOULD HELP THEM REMAIN STABLY HOUSED.

SO THERE'S ALSO, AS WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT BY MR. EWEN, THAT THE COUNTY'S ALSO GOING TO BE ADDING EIGHT HOURS OF CLINICIAN SUPPORT FOR THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME RESIDENTS AS WELL.

SO THAT WILL HELP THE THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, THEIR ALL THEIR TREATMENT OPTIONS ARE WHAT WE'RE ASKING BE KIND OF AVAILABLE ESPECIALLY AT MOVE IN FOR FOR NEWER RESIDENTS AND FOR OF COURSE, ALL RESIDENTS WHO HAVE A HIGHER, HIGHER NEED.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND YOU MENTIONED FOR THE VETERAN PREFERENCE FOR THE UNITS.

I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD INDICATED.

AND IF A VETERAN ONLY UNIT IS AVAILABLE, WE TRY TO FILL IT WITH.

AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE TO FILL IT WITH A VETERAN IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.

OTHERWISE IT STAYS VACANT.

WAS THAT ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE.

OH, SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

LET ME CLARIFY. I, I WAS REFERRING TO PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE REGION THAT HAVE A VETERAN ONLY REQUIREMENT.

SO THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED, FOR EXAMPLE WITH VA FUNDING OR WITH A VETERAN REQUIREMENT, AND THOSE UNITS HAVE TO BE OCCUPIED BY A VETERAN. IF THEY ARE NOT FILLED BY A VETERAN, THEY WILL GO EMPTY.

AND SO OFTENTIMES, FOLKS ON THAT COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM LIST, IF THEY HAVE A VETERAN STATUS THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, RISE TO THE TOP AND BE REFERRED TO THOSE UNITS BECAUSE THOSE REQUIRE THE VETERAN STATUS.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

AND THE THE PIECE AROUND THE SECURITY AND THE GUEST POLICY.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW YOU FEEL WE COULD CODIFY THAT AND HOW QUICKLY.

I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SAYING THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO RECOMMEND AND SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER ADOPTING AND HOPEFULLY ASKING FOR SOME MOVEMENT ON.

SO CURIOUS HOW WE WOULD SEE THAT BEING CODIFIED.

YEAH. THE WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH, YOU KNOW, AFFIRMED HOUSING AS WELL AS CAN-AM AND TRYING TO FREE UP SOME OF THAT OPERATING SUBSIDY FROM THE COUNTY FOR FOR THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY.

AND WHAT WE COULD DO IS AMEND OUR THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO THAT'S ACTUALLY AN WOULD BE AN ACT OF AFFIRMED AND CUNNINGHAM TO UPDATE THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN.

AND THEN THE CITY REVIEWS AND APPROVES THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

LET'S SEE HERE.

I DO, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ALSO ASK QUESTIONS OF SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS THAT SPOKE, LIKE THE COUNCIL IS OPEN TO QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY, SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR AFFIRMED.

YOU'RE HEARING, YOU KNOW, THE THE QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY AND GUEST POLICY.

AND I DID JUST ASK ABOUT HOW THAT COULD BE CODIFIED.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW SOON YOU COULD SEE THAT UP AND RUNNING AND, YOU KNOW, DELIVERABLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WOULD START WORKING TOMORROW ON REVISING A MANAGEMENT PLAN AND WORKING WITH MISS MILLS TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE INTENTS OF ALL HERE NOW.

OKAY, GREAT. AND I'LL RESERVE MY RESPONSE FOR COMMENTS.

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APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

AND. I THINK THESE ARE MY THE QUESTIONS NOW FOR MR. NGUYEN UN MR. NGUYEN. CAN I ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO COUNTY? THANK YOU. SO.

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT COUNTY HOUSING AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY, AND I KNOW YOU'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SUPERVISOR.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, IF YOU IF YOU WOULD KNOW AND MAYBE OTHERS MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHIME IN, IF NOT, IS AROUND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AND HOW LONG IT'S ENDING UP TAKING ONCE SOMEBODY DOES GET REFERRED TO RECEIVE THOSE SERVICES.

YEAH. I MEAN, SO I SHOULD CLARIFY THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE SUPERVISOR WANTED TO BE HERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE HAVE A COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING THAT'S OCCURRING RIGHT NOW.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT PART OUT LOUD.

ON THE REFERRALS, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER PEOPLE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ALPHA IS STILL HERE, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND THAT ARE MORE YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THE ACTION THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND THAT MAY BE BETTER SUITED TO SPEAK TO THAT.

SO I THINK I THINK FROM WHERE WE SIT FROM THE SUPERVISOR'S OFFICE, WE'RE PROBABLY WE DON'T HAVE THE BEST.

YEAH. IF, IF ALPHA OR ANYONE ELSE THAT WORKS WITH THOSE PROVIDERS WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.

SURE, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.

OR MAYBE OUR CITY TEAM.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW LONG IT'S TAKING? AND THANKS. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION FOR YOU.

NO, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.

OKAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL INFORMATION.

JUST. I MEAN, WE WON'T HAVE THAT TONIGHT, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL INFORMATION FOR US.

AND I'M SURE JUST TO KNOW IN GENERAL, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT BACK THOUGH.

AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH I MEAN, I'LL PERSONALLY FOLLOW UP WITH THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEAM AND WE CAN GO FROM THAT DIRECTION TO TO CIRCLE UP WITH ALPHA AND, YOU KNOW, GET AN ANSWER AND RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS AROUND LEASE TERMS. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS ARE BEING VIOLATED, WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING DONE.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROCESS IS IF IF IT DID GET TO THE POINT FOR TERMINATING THE LEASE.

SO THE PROCESS, IF WE WERE TO DETERMINE THAT THE LEASE OR ANY OF THE OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTERTWINED, THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION, THE TYPICAL PROCESS WOULD BE WE WOULD NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OR THE PROJECT OWNER OF THE VIOLATION.

THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO CURE THAT VIOLATION.

IF THE VIOLATION WERE NOT CURED, WE WOULD DECLARE A DEFAULT.

THAT WOULD ALSO THAT REQUIRES NOTICE TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE SOME FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE PROJECT.

IT WOULD ALSO HAVE A CURE PERIOD.

AT THE END OF THAT CURE PERIOD, IF THE VIOLATION WAS NOT CURED, THEN WE COULD PROCEED WITH TERMINATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR DETAILING THAT.

AND I KNOW THERE WERE.

THIS IS FOR YOU, CHIEF WILLIAMS. SOME, SOME THERE WERE SOME CLAIMS AROUND FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING IN AT WINDSOR POINT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTED MURDERS AND SOME OTHER CRIMES THAT FOLKS BROUGHT UP.

COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE CLAIMS THAT WERE MADE? CERTAINLY. SO, YES.

THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT MURDER.

THE 10TH MURDER WAS A GUEST THAT ATTEMPTED TO MURDER TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE STAYING AT THE LOCATION.

AND THE COMMITTED SEXUAL ASSAULT OF A CHILD WAS A GUEST WHO SEXUALLY ASSAULTED A CHILD THAT WAS A RESIDENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ONE OTHER QUESTION AND CLAIM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THAT THE MANAGEMENT IS UNAWARE OF WHO IS LIVING THERE.

I I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT'S ACCURATE.

I MEAN, I'M HEARING THAT, OF COURSE.

OBVIOUSLY THEY KNOW WHO THE RESIDENTS, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SIGNED UP AND HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE HOUSING, BUT THEN GUESTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY YOU KNOW, REPORTED.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ON, ON THAT FRONT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO ACCURATE AS WELL, THAT WE ARE NOT 100% AWARE OF WHO'S THERE? I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO IT.

SO I THINK THE, THE COMMENTS CAME AROUND MORE OF LIKE SUPPORT SERVICE.

CLAIMS THAT FOLKS THAT WERE SUPPORTIVE SERVICE WORKERS WERE NOT THAT THAT STAFF OR THAT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE LIVING THERE.

AND IN-HOME SUPPORTIVE.

WORKER A LIVING AID IS REQUIRED TO, TO BE AN APPLICANT OF THE PROPERTY.

AND SO THEY THEY WOULD BE NODE THAT KNOWN THAT THEY LIVE THERE.

AND THERE'S ALSO A GUEST POLICY AND THERE ARE PARTICULAR BANNED GUESTS AS WELL.

SO THOSE PHOTOS ARE MADE KNOWN TO THE VIDEO SURVEILLANCE TEAM.

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AND SO THEY ARE AWARE IF SOMEBODY COMES ONTO THEIR PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE.

OKAY. AND IT I'M, I KNOW THAT THE OTHER QUESTION AND OTHER POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS AROUND BACKGROUND CHECKS DONE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS. ARE THOSE CONDUCTED OR PROVIDED, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT YOU LISTED THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE THERE AS ANYBODY LIVING ON THE PROPERTY WOULD RECEIVE A BACKGROUND CHECK? THERE'S NO BACKGROUND CHECKS ON GUESTS.

OKAY. I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.

OKAY, LAST LAST QUESTION.

THE I KNOW THE FOLKS THAT HAVE A FEW FOLKS HAD MENTIONED THAT SOMETIMES THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT IN THE STREETS, WHETHER THEY'RE SLEEPING OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE.

I'M CURIOUS IF ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE FROM WINDSOR POINT, OR IF IT'S A MIXED BAG OF INDIVIDUALS.

YES, IT WOULD BE A MIXED.

OF WINDSOR POINT RESIDENTS AND ALSO OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN THERE, AND ALSO HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT FROM THE COMMENTS I HEARD THE THE COMMUNITY EXPRESSING THAT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION.

OKAY, ACTUALLY, AND JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

SOME WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, AND I ASKED THIS QUESTION FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, IT CAN ALSO BE PTSD, RIGHT? FOR SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE A VETERAN, PTSD CAN ALSO BE CONSIDERED A SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS.

I DON'T HAVE THE LIST OF WHAT IS INCLUDED IN SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL DIAGNOSIS, BUT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.

OKAY. IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO TO MAYBE CHECK IN WITH SOMEONE WHO COULD PROVIDE THAT.

I THINK IT'S JUST HELPFUL SO THAT.

PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF WHAT THE DEFINITION IS.

THANK YOU. MR. ACOSTA QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DEFER TO COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER, SINCE THIS IS IN HER DISTRICT.

I DO HAVE QUESTIONS AND I HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I WANT TO DEFER TO HER FIRST.

THANKS, MISS BURKHOLDER.

QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

YEAH. JUST TO CITY MANAGER, I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.

WOULD THE COULD THE PROPERTY BE CONSIDERED A NUISANCE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

NO, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OR MANY IMPEDIMENTS TO BEING ABLE TO DECLARE THIS PROPERTY A NUISANCE.

THE FIRST IS THAT UNDER STATE LAW, NOTHING THAT IS EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY STATUTE CAN BE DECLARED A NUISANCE.

THIS TYPE OF HOUSING FOR THIS TYPE OF POPULATION IS EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY STATUTE.

IT'S IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE.

ALSO, AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, STATE LAW PROHIBITS ANY ACTUAL OR THREATENED NUISANCE ACTION SOLELY AS A CONSEQUENCE OF CONTACTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THERE IS ALSO AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM TAKING ANY ACTION TO ELIMINATE OR REMOVE THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME PROGRAM RESTRICTIONS WITHOUT THE COUNTY'S CONSENT.

THE COUNTY MAY ALSO REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM THE THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO REMOVE THE RESTRICTIONS.

TARGETING A PROJECT BECAUSE IT HOUSES TENANTS WITH DISABILITIES WOULD VIOLATE FAIR HOUSING LAWS.

IT WOULD ALSO VIOLATE THE DISABLED TENANTS CIVIL RIGHTS.

THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO A COUNTY REGULATORY AGREEMENT, WHICH REQUIRES 24 OF THE UNITS TO BE UTILIZED FOR NO PLACE LIKE A HOME TENANTS FOR 55 YEARS.

THIS AGREEMENT RUNS WITH THE LAND AND APPLIES REGARDLESS OF WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THE OTHER THING I CANNOT.

JEFF, I BELIEVE YOUR FIRST NAME IS JEFF.

I DID NOT, I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT GET YOUR LAST NAME.

BUT IF YOU WOULD, WOULDN'T MIND STEPPING BACK.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS TRYING TO SCRIBBLE, AND THEN I WAS LIKE, I CAN'T EVEN READ MY OWN WRITING.

SO WHEN WE WERE MEETING WITH SUPERVISOR LAWSON REAMER, WE WALKED AWAY FROM THAT.

AND YOU, YOU WEREN'T IN THAT MEETING, BUT HOPEFULLY SHE'S BRIEFED YOU.

WE WALKED AWAY FROM THE MEETING THINKING THAT ON OUR END, WE WOULD DO WHAT WE COULD DO RELATIVE TO WHAT WE HAVE A CIRCLE OF CONTROL WITH.

AND THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE LAND LEASE.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT STAFF IS BRINGING TO US TONIGHT.

AND THE SUPERVISOR WALKED AWAY WITH LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MCCARTY.

MCCARTY, THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM.

DID SHE MAKE MENTION OF THAT OF USING OR HAVING ONE LOCATED UP HERE OR ANY SORT OF RESPONSE TO THAT?

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YEAH. AND THE SUPERVISOR DID BRIEFING ON THAT.

I JUST GOT BACK FROM PATERNITY LEAVE, SO APOLOGIZE.

CONGRATULATIONS. NOT MAKING IT TO THAT THAT MEETING LAST MONDAY AND NOT BEING FULLY IN MY WITS RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU'RE SLEEP DEPRIVED, I GET IT.

YEAH. YEAH.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY. MCCARTY IS DEFINITELY IS IS BEEN A PROMISING PROGRAM IN OTHER LOCATIONS.

I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHALLENGES THAT CHIEF WILLIAMS MAY BE BETTER SUITED TO SPEAK TO ABOUT WHY IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO BE UTILIZED AS A DIVERSIONARY TACTIC HERE, BUT I WHEN I DID FOLLOW UP WITH THE COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEAM YESTERDAY, AND THIS IS PARTLY WHY I WAS URGING THEM TO COME TO SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT I THINK THERE IS THERE IS A THERE IS A WEEKLY MEETING THAT INCLUDES MCCARTY AND THE AND THE SERVICE PROVIDER ALPHA AS WELL AS OUR COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEAM.

SO THERE IS SOME COORDINATION THAT'S HAPPENING TO TRY TO DIVERT SOME OF THE CALLS FROM, FROM HAVING TO GO TO TO THE POLICE.

I APPRECIATE THAT, IF YOU'LL IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU'LL JUST PLEASE TAKE BACK TO THE SUPERVISOR, WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO HAVE THEM UP HERE, AND WE'LL FIND THEM A PLACE TO CALL HOME.

I BELIEVE, LIKE CHIEF WILLIAMS SAID IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, SO THANK YOU.

THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU.

OKAY. GREAT. THANKS.

MISS MILLS, IF YOU'LL IF YOU DON'T MIND PULLING UP SLIDE NUMBER 23.

THIS IS AT LEAST IN MY NOTES.

I HAVE IT RELATIVE TO YES TO THE ON SITE SERVICE HOURS.

WHAT SERVICES ARE THESE STRICTLY CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES OR WOULD THIS BE INCLUDING THERAPEUTIC INTERVENTIONS OR WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT SERVICE. THANK YOU.

SO THE THESE ARE THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY ALPHA PROJECT, WHICH IS A CONTRACTOR OF THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

SO THIS IS FOR THE 24 NO PLACE LIKE HOME RESIDENCE.

THERE ARE OTHER SERVICES ON SITE.

SO THESE ARE CASE MANAGEMENT AND PEER SUPPORT.

AND THEY THEY WORK ON HOUSING RETENTION ISSUES WITH THESE CLIENTS.

SO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES WOULD BE THROUGH REFERRAL TO AN ACTUAL CLINICIAN.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TREATMENT.

IT'S MORE CASE MANAGEMENT.

SO AS WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT, WE WE HOPE TO BE GETTING THAT THE EIGHT HOURS OF CLINICIAN TIME ON SITE.

SO THAT WILL HELP.

RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S 24 POTENTIAL, WOULD THAT BE EIGHT HOURS A WEEK OR IS THAT, YES, EIGHT HOURS A WEEK? OKAY. AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL THERAPIST.

YES. CLINICIAN.

CLINICIAN. OKAY.

AND SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SUCCESS DATA ON THE UTILIZE? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE NEEDED MORE OF THESE HOURS.

I'M GUESSING THAT'S WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.

AND THEY INCREASE THE HOURS.

PEOPLE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS.

IS THAT WHY THE INCREASE IN HOURS? RIGHT. WE HAVE, THROUGH OUR COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATIONS, IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF NEED.

SO THOSE PARTICULAR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO HIGHER LEVELS FOR TREATMENT.

AND THAT IS FAIRLY NEW.

SO I THINK THAT IS WITHIN THE LAST I WOULD SAY SIX WEEKS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON HOW THAT'S GOING YET.

OKAY. DO THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME RESIDENTS HAVE TO ACCEPT SERVICES.

NO, THEY DO NOT.

IT IS VOLUNTARY.

WE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, COULD GET SOME INFORMATION FROM, FROM SOME OF THE PROJECT PARTNERS, BUT THE ON SITE SERVICES.

RIGHT. IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT FOR RESIDENTS TO, OVER TIME, BE ACCEPTING AND TRUSTING TO ACCEPT THOSE SERVICES.

SO SOMEBODY AT THE INITIAL MOVE IN, YOU KNOW, MIGHT NOT BE READY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND WITH SOME STABILIZATION THROUGH, YOU KNOW, HOUSING STABILIZATION YOU KNOW, CAN BECOME READY TO ACCEPT THOSE SERVICES.

AND HAVING THAT THEM THERE DAILY IS VERY HELPFUL TO KIND OF REITERATE AND ESTABLISH THAT LEVEL OF TRUST AND RAPPORT.

AT WHAT POINT DO WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE SERVICES AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THEM? AND HOW DO WE GET THAT COMMUNICATED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, CONDEMN OR AFFIRMED OR WHOEVER'S MAKING THE DECISION TO DO THE EVICTION PROCESS OR WHATEVER THE NEXT STEP, THE REASONABLE NEXT STEP IS THERE ARE WEEKLY CROSSWALK MEETINGS.

SO THAT INCLUDES THE CORPORATION FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, ALFRED PROJECT, INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SERVICES THE PROPERTY MANAGER BASICALLY, I THINK MAKATI IS EVEN ATTENDING NOW.

SO THOSE ARE ALL THE SERVICE PROVIDERS TO HELP IDENTIFY ISSUES WITH PARTICULAR TENANTS.

AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE NEEDS AND THE WILLINGNESS AND THE SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND BEING RECEIVED.

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AND IF SOMETHING IS NEEDED, THEY ARE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO GET THOSE SERVICES.

AND IF ENFORCEMENT ACTION YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF A LEASE VIOLATION IS NECESSARY, THEY WOULD GO TO THAT LEVEL.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 29, PLEASE.

THIS IS THE THE SLIDE OF THE SUCCESS STORIES.

ARE ANY OF THOSE PARTICULAR SUCCESS STORIES NO PLACE LIKE HOME RESIDENTS.

THESE ARE ALL NO PLACE LIKE HOME RESIDENTS.

OKAY, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW, BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THEY WERE GETTING THE SUCCESSES THAT WE WANT THEM TO GET.

OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION.

OH, SORRY.

I'LL GO DOWN TO THIS ONE.

ARE ALL OF THE SO WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT RESIDENCES, NO PLACE LIKE HOME AND OTHER RESIDENCES HAVE LEASES. AND WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT THE SUPPORT AID PEOPLE HAVE LEASES.

WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS BIG GAP OF PEOPLE THAT COME AND GO THAT WE DON'T KNOW, THAT WE WANT TO ESTABLISH VISITOR VISITATION POLICY AT LEAST, MAYBE EVEN A STRICTER VISITATION POLICY, OR MAYBE ONE THAT HAS ACCOUNTABILITY LABELED WITH IT, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME.

PERHAPS YOU SHOW AN ID OR SOMETHING WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR.

I'M WONDERING ABOUT AFFIRMS OR IF CANEM IS HERE.

I'M WONDERING ABOUT THEIR RESPONSE TO THAT.

AND HOW ARE YOU AMENABLE TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH. SO I'M I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT.

BE CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO FINDING SOME SOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN DO BETTER TRACKING OF GUESTS AS THEY COME IN.

I CAN SHARE THAT AT SOME OF OUR COMMUNITIES, THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY WHERE THERE IS EVERYONE COMES INTO ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE FRONT DOOR AND ONE BUILDING. AND SO IN THOSE CASES, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EASIER TO HAVE CHECKING IN AND CHECKING OUT OF GUESTS.

WINDSOR POINT WAS NOT DESIGNED IN THAT WAY.

BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T WORK WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TO DEVISE A SYSTEM THAT WOULD CREATE THE SAME KIND OF EFFECT, WHERE WE ARE DOING A LITTLE MORE OF THAT, CHECKING IN AND CHECKING OUT OF GUESTS.

WELL, WITH DUE RESPECT, SIR, IT NEEDS TO BE ALL A MORE LIKE ALL OF THEM NEED TO BE CHECKED IN AND CHECKED OUT.

WE CAN'T. YOU HEARD THE CHIEF SAY THAT HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ARRESTED WERE GUESTS OF WINDSOR POINT RESIDENTS.

SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE TO KEEP EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING SAFE, INCLUDING THE PERSON THAT'S CHECKING THEM IN AND CHECKING THEM OUT.

SO I, I BELIEVE I WOULD URGE, YOU KNOW, AN IMMEDIATE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH POLICY.

AND IF YOU NEED LOGISTICAL PLANNING, I KNOW THAT OUR CHIEF AND THEIR DEPARTMENT CAN HELP YOU FIGURE THAT OUT.

I YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT SOMETIMES.

MAYBE IT'S AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT HERE TO FIX THAT FOR YOU, BUT I WOULD URGE IMMEDIATE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT WITH AFFIRMED AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK I HAD ANY OTHER OH, WAIT, I DO HAVE ONE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY OF WINDSOR POINT IS AS FAR AS RESIDENTS AND AND WHATEVER CAPACITY? NO, THE BUILDING CAPACITY.

IS THAT THE QUESTION? NO, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS IN APRIL 2020 AND YOU WERE NOT ON THE ZOOM MR. SILVERWOOD WAS ON THE ZOOM.

I WATCHED THIS, WATCHED THE I ALMOST SAID SHOW, WATCH THE COUNCIL MEETING BACK.

AND AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS STATED THAT WOULD HAPPEN WAS 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

SECURITY. THAT WAS IN 2020, WHERE IN 2024.

AND IT STILL HASN'T DONE IT STILL HASN'T BEEN DONE.

SO I KNOW WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT.

ADDITIONALLY, TONIGHT I WOULD AGAIN URGE A FIRM TO IMMEDIATELY IMPLEMENT THIS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I DO.

I'M AWARE THAT THIS THE COUNTY BOOSTED UP FUNDING FOR THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY GUARD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT ADVOCACY.

BUT I DO THINK IF A FIRM HAS TO LAY OUT SOME MONEY IN ADVANCE TO GET THIS TO HAPPEN TOMORROW, IT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE.

THEN I WOULD BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE AN OKAY WAY TO DO BUSINESS, TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

FOR THOSE OF US IN CARLSBAD THAT LIVE AND AND WORK AND PLAY AROUND THIS COMMUNITY, AROUND THIS PROJECT.

AGREED. THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK THAT I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, AND THEN I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, MANDY, THAT THERE ARE SIX CARLSBAD RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AT WINDSOR POINT.

IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

THE LEASE UP PROCESS. OKAY.

AND SO WHO? I HEARD YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY VETERANS LIVED THERE, SO WHO WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? WELL, NO. THERE WERE 12 VETS AT LEASE UP.

AND AS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MOVE IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME.

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SO WE DON'T TRACK THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

RIGHT? BUT WE KNOW THERE ARE SIX CARLSBAD RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE AT MOVIN.

OH, SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW EITHER.

WE DO NOT TRACK THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

OKAY, SO THEN WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER REPORT, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WHENEVER YOU BRING THIS BACK, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO BREAK DOWN THE THE MAKEUP FOR US? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. THANK YOU.

AND. I'M SORRY.

MY MY PAPER IS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.

I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH, MISS LUNA.

I DON'T WANT TO BE REPETITIVE, BUT.

SO I ACTUALLY JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND IT'S DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU, CHIEF.

AND TO AFFIRMED, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A MANAGEMENT PLAN, MAYBE SOME PROVISIONS BEING INCLUDED, A REVISION TO THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

CHIEF, YOU BROUGHT UP VERSUS JUST A REGULAR SECURITY GUARD.

AND I KNOW THE CITIZENS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.

AND YOU BROUGHT UP IN LIEU OF A SECURITY GUARD, YOU WOULD LIKE AN ENGAGED MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE.

TWO AT EACH FACILITY, 24 HOURS, 12 HOUR.

12 HOUR. 12 HOUR, 12 HOUR.

COULD YOU HELP MAYBE DEFINE WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION WOULD BE IN THAT PERSON? YES. YES, MA'AM.

SO MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT THEIR ALERT, THEIR ON DUTY, THAT THEY HAVE A POSITION THAT THEY MAINTAIN THAT IS THAT CAN BE RELIED UPON BY THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY'RE EASILY ABLE TO BE GET A HOLD OF THAT A RESIDENT THAT LIVES AT THE LOCATION THAT NEEDS ASSISTANCE WITH SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A POLICE NEED WILL HAVE AN EASY AND CONVENIENT WAY TO MAKE CONTACT, SEEK ASSISTANCE, AND RECEIVE ASSISTANCE.

I BELIEVE THAT THE ON SITE REPRESENTATIVE CAN BE THERE.

CAPABILITY IS GOING TO BE AUGMENTED BY THE THE VIDEO SURVEILLANCE THAT'S MONITORED THROUGHOUT THE PREMISES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE CHALLENGES WITH CHECKING IN AND CHECKING OUT GUESTS.

MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT THE 24 OVER SEVEN MONITORED SURVEILLANCE VIDEO WOULD BE ABLE TO ALERT THE PERSON IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT WASN'T ABIDING BY THE CHECK IN POLICY AS SHOULD BE REQUIRED.

AND THEN THE ACCOUNTABILITY CAN FLOW TO THE RESIDENT, POTENTIALLY FOR HAVING A RESIDENT OR FOR HAVING A VISITOR THAT DOESN'T CHECK IN.

ANOTHER IMPORTANT PART OF THIS ON SITE ENGAGED MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE, IT COULD BE SECURITY GUARD OR OTHERWISE, IS TO MAINTAIN AND GATHER INFORMATION ON BEHALF OF MANAGEMENT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDS OUT TWO TIMES TO A UNIT DURING THE NIGHT, MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE A REPORT OF THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED BY THAT PERSON WORKING THAT NIGHT TO THE MANAGEMENT, THAT THERE WERE ISSUES AT A CERTAIN RESIDENT LAST NIGHT TYPICALLY THE ON SITE REPRESENTATIVES FOR OTHER TYPES OF FACILITY OR LOCATIONS THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, THEY'LL GET A CASE NUMBER OR AN INCIDENT NUMBER FROM OUR OFFICERS, AND MAYBE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE TYPE OF INCIDENT WAS SO THAT THEY CAN INFORM THE MANAGEMENT OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND I THINK IT'S THAT IN THE MOMENT, INTELLIGENCE THAT ALLOWS THINGS TO BE ACTIONABLE MORE QUICKLY AND WILL LIKELY END UP REDUCING. I FULLY EXPECT THAT THAT TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PROBLEMS THAT WERE OR CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT RESULT IN POLICE RESPONSES.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOUR TRADITIONAL SECURITY GUARD THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A COUPLE LEVELS OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

SO WHAT TYPE OF I MEAN, WHO WHO WOULD WHAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL CANDIDATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I KNOW YOU KEEP SAYING PULLING IT OUT OF AN ENGAGED MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTATIVE.

SO WHAT TYPE WOULD THEY NEED? SOME POLICE BACKGROUND WOULD THEY NEED? WHAT TYPE OF CANDIDATE WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR? THE THE.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS ROLE HAVE BEEN SECURITY GUARDS, BUT THEY'RE SECURITY GUARDS THAT UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSIBILITY.

MAYBE COME INTO THE JOB WITH A BIT HIGHER COMPETENCY THAN MAYBE THE A, YOU KNOW, AN ENTRY LEVEL SECURITY GUARD, BUT AND ALSO MAYBE ONE THAT HAS SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE TO, TO GO AN EXTRA STEP THAN JUST BEING PRESENT.

THE EXPECTATIONS SHOULD BE RELATIVELY HIGH FOR THIS PERSON.

AND MY, IN MY EXPERIENCE IS, IS THAT THAT HAS BEEN FILLED BY A SECURITY GUARD.

BUT THEY THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY HIGH PERFORMING.

AND YOU WOULD BE. ONCE AGAIN, TO REITERATE, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT TWO SECURITY GUARDS AT EACH RESIDENCE.

24 HOURS, 12 HOURS AND 12 HOURS.

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I WOULD WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

SOMEBODY ON DUTY AVAILABLE, ENGAGED AT EACH LOCATION.

SO THE GENTLEMAN FROM AFFIRMED.

DO YOU HAVE WHAT IS WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU COULD SECURE SOMEONE OF THIS CALIBER? WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY.

SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE OVERNIGHT SECURITY COVERAGE OF A ON SITE COURTESY PATROL, FOOT PATROL, AS WE MIGHT CALL THEM, AT ONE OF THE SITES.

AND THEY'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO ADD A SECOND GUARD SO THAT THEY CAN BE AT THE OTHER SITE.

SO THERE'S ONE GUARD POSTED AT EACH SITE DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT RUNNING FROM 6 P.M.

TO 6 A.M.

AT ONE. JUST ONE PERSON.

WE'D LIKE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE.

ON. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR CHIEF IS THAT THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T FULFILL THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.

WHAT I. WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM THE REPORT IS THAT DURING WORKING HOURS THERE, THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE ON SITE WHO ARE WORKING FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES OR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, WHO IS ABLE TO BE THERE FOR RESIDENTS AND TAKE CARE OF NEEDS.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON MY QUESTIONING.

YEAH, SO? SO, CHIEF, WHEN WHEN ARE THE TYPICAL CALLS FOR SERVICE AT WINDSOR POINT? WELL, THEY THEY IT'S AROUND THE CLOCK 24 HOURS A DAY.

BUT THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS BEING PRESENT DURING THE DAY IS NOT MEETING OUR NEEDS.

WE NEED A MORE ENGAGED, DEDICATED RESOURCE TO BE THE EYES AND EARS OF MANAGEMENT IN THE IN THE LOCATION AND TO BE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST RESIDENTS WITH NEEDS THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR.

I DON'T THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT SOMEBODY THAT'S PROVIDING SERVICE TO A CERTAIN UNIT.

OR DOING THAT SORT OF WORK IS ALSO GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE AN OVERALL MANAGEMENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FOR THE LOCATION.

RIGHT. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S DEDICATED TO THAT ROLE.

AND I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT IN APRIL 21ST, 2020, MISTER SILVERWOOD SAID THERE WOULD BE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK SECURITY AT THESE LOCATIONS.

SO WE'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.

THE TIME TO DO STUFF IS NOW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, MR. ACOSTA.

THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE AS QUICK AS I CAN AND NOT ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED.

AND I'LL START WITH WHO IS ATTENDING THE MEETINGS THAT WERE WE'VE BEEN HAVING.

I UNDERSTAND AFFIRMED CON AND CITY COUNTY.

IF I COULD JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO WHO THE PLAYERS ARE, WHO ARE COMING TOGETHER AND SHARING INFORMATION, I THINK MISS MILLS IS LOOKING FOR IT RIGHT NOW.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PULL UP THIS SLIDE WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS.

AND I WOULD ADD SOME OF THESE MEETINGS HAVE HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FROM THE BEGINNING.

SO NOT ALL OF THESE ARE NEW.

WE DID TALK EARLIER ABOUT THOSE WEEKLY CROSSWALK MEETINGS, AND THOSE ARE REALLY RELATED TO SERVICE NEEDS OF CLIENTS.

MYSELF, NOR THE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE ARE PRIVY TO THOSE THOSE ARE CONFIDENTIAL MATTERS.

THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, RELATED BECAUSE OF HIPAA CONCERNS.

AND SO ONLY FOLKS THAT ARE LISTED ON OUR RELEASE OF INFORMATION ARE ATTENDING THOSE.

SO WE HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH MYSELF, THE POLICE CHIEF AFFIRMED CONDOM AND MOST RECENTLY, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES.

SO THOSE WE HAVE BEEN MEETING SINCE WE SENT THAT LETTER IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEY'RE QUITE PRODUCTIVE.

WE WE GET A LOT ACCOMPLISHED IN THOSE MONTHLY MEETINGS.

WE DO TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW RECENT CALLS FOR SERVICE OR ANY TYPES OF TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING.

WE DO TALK ABOUT THAT AND TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING.

AND THEN RECENTLY LAST MONTH LIEUTENANT COMMANDER HAS BEEN ATTENDING WEEKLY SECURITY MEETINGS.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE, THE SECURITY CONTRACTOR AS WELL AS AFFIRMED AND KONAM.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

AND MR. JONATHAN TAYLOR FROM AFFIRMED.

YES. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE PODIUM.

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I JUST WANTED TO ASK, ARE YOU A PART OF THESE MEETINGS? ARE YOU IN THE LOOP? I AM IN THE LOOP.

I ATTEND THE MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND MISS MILLS.

GREAT. AND I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH YOUR ROLE.

LIKE, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AUTHORITY HERE.

LIKE, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DO FOR AFFIRMED HOUSING? I'M PART OF THE EXECUTIVE TEAM.

I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ASSET MANAGEMENT.

OKAY. AND I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER THAT YOU WOULD BE FINE WITH ADDING SOME OF THESE THINGS TO THE MANAGEMENT PLAN TOMORROW.

AND I AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM AND CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT.

IS A FIRM AFFIRMED AGREEING TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL ON SITE SECURITY IS AFFIRMED, AGREEING TO HAVE A GUEST SIGN IN PROCESS. WHAT I'M AGREEING TO IS TO WORK WITH MISS MILLS TO REVISE THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT SO THAT IT IS WHAT BOTH PARTIES WANT. SO THE SPECIFICS OF THE SIGN IN AND SIGN OUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE'RE I'M ASKING WHAT YOU ARE AGREEING TO SPECIFICALLY RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. IN FRONT OF COUNSEL, IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC.

WHAT ARE YOU AGREEING TO? WELL, I'M AGREEING TO WORK ON THE REVISIONS SO THAT WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IS AMENABLE ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THE MEANS THAT THE PROJECT HAS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.

I'M NOT GOING TO JUST STAND HERE AND MAKE A CLAIM THAT I CAN'T BACK UP.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M WORKING WITH.

ALL OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED, THE COUNTY, OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, AND OF COURSE THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A PROMISE THAT IS NOT BEEN VETTED AND HAS BEEN APPROVED BY ALL PARTIES.

SO WHAT CAN YOU AGREE TO? I CAN AGREE TO WORKING ON THE REVISIONS STARTING TOMORROW.

OKAY. AND WHEN WILL THOSE REVISIONS BE COMPLETE? I'M SURE THAT MISS MILLS WILL WORK IN GOOD FAITH TO COMPLETE THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I LIKE MISS MILLS. I'M ASKING YOU.

I KNOW THAT WE WILL WORK TOGETHER IN GOOD FAITH TO COMPLETE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT WE'LL HAVE IT COMPLETED WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

TWO WEEKS, I HEAR.

TWO WEEKS. YOU WILL HAVE SOMETHING DONE IN TWO WEEKS.

THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC REALLY NEED MORE CLARITY FROM YOU ALL.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE PIN IT DOWN TO A TIME FRAME.

SO I HEARD TWO WEEKS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. YUEN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH ME AND FOR THE SUPERVISOR BEING IN TOUCH WITH OUR STAFF.

I KIND OF WANTED TO ASK YOU.

YOU GAVE AN OVERVIEW, BUT, LIKE, HOW ELSE CAN YOU HELP US? HOW CAN YOUR OFFICE HELP US? I KNOW THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE STAFF AT THE COUNTY HERE TONIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PRESENTATION, AND THAT'S FRUSTRATING.

BUT WE KNOW THEY DO COME TO THE MEETINGS.

THIS THE SLIDE HERE, AND THEY DO PARTICIPATE IN SOME THINGS.

HOW CAN YOU HELP US AT THE COUNTY MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S COMMUNICATING FROM YOUR OFFICE.

YEAH. NO I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I OFFERED TO MANDY TO TO LOOP ME IN NOW THAT I'M NOW THAT I'M BACK TO TO TO BE HELPFUL.

HOWEVER OUR OFFICE CAN HOWEVER I CAN COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL.

I TOOK NOTE NOTES OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND TEAMS DID OVER TO OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEAM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL START GETTING WORKING ON SOME RESPONSES THERE.

AND I WILL SAY I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH AFFIRMED, WITH JONATHAN, AND WITH OUR COUNTY HOUSING TEAM REGARDING THE OPERATING RESERVE, WHICH THE COUNTY ADMINISTERS ON BEHALF OF THE STATE FUNDS.

SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF STATE GUIDELINES THAT DICTATE HOW ALL THE SPECIFICS OF HOW AND WHEN DISBURSEMENTS CAN COME OUT OF THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE, TARA, MYSELF, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING TO TRY TO BE AS CREATIVE AND AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE, LIKE READING, KIND OF READING VERY CAREFULLY THOSE GUIDELINES TO SEE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO.

I DO THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT THERE IS I MEAN, THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT THE STATE GUIDELINES SAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE SUPERVISOR IS EAGER TO PUT TOGETHER, PUT PEN TO PAPER AND PUT TOGETHER A LETTER TO REQUEST A MEETING WITH HCD AND TO DO SOME ADVOCACY.

AND I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO WHETHER THAT'S A LETTER FROM OUR OFFICE.

AND ALL THE PARTNERS SEND THEIR OWN LETTERS SO THEY GET OVERWHELMED WITH LETTERS.

OR IF WE WANT TO DO A JOINT LETTER WHERE ALL THE PARTNERS ARE TOGETHER TO SHOW KIND OF SOLIDARITY.

I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE THE BEST WAY WE CAN.

WE CAN MOVE TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

AND JUST IN SPEAKING WITH YOU EARLIER, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO FINDING WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH YOUR OFFICE.

THANK YOU. MY LAST QUESTION IS KIND OF RELATED TO THAT COLLABORATION SPIRIT, AND IT'S PROBABLY FOR MISS MILLS.

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IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE ARE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT SENDING THINGS TO TO THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO ADVOCATE, WHETHER IT'S FOR FUNDING, WHETHER IT'S FOR CHANGES FINDING OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR CARLSBAD OR VETERANS.

WHAT CAN YOU SUM UP? WHAT WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD GO TO THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT I SIT ON.

SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE CLARITY AROUND THAT, TOO.

THANKS. SORRY.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO WE WE KIND OF CONSOLIDATED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS INTO THREE GENERAL AREAS.

SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THOSE THREE LIKE THAT.

SO THE I THINK THE WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF WORK ADVOCATING TO THE COUNTY REGARDING THE THE COASTER FUNDING OR THE OPERATING SUBSIDY RESERVED YOU KNOW, AS MR. YUN JUST MENTIONED. SO.

I THINK WE'RE OKAY THERE.

THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL EFFICACY THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO TO THE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT PER YEAR.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE BOUND BY.

AND THAT'S NOT UP TO THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

SO I THINK WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT TYPE OF OF ADVOCACY.

ON THE SERVICE SIDE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICES.

AND I THINK WITH THE HELP OF MR. YOON, WE'VE ALSO HAD A LOT OF MOVEMENT PRETTY RECENTLY AND SOME MORE COMMITMENTS FROM THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO ON DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES.

SO WE'RE FEELING CONFIDENT ON THAT ONE.

THE SECOND ONE BULLET HERE, THOUGH, ON THIS SLIDE IS TO REALLY FOR FUTURE.

THIS IS NOT LIKE A QUICK FIX FOR THIS PROJECT.

THE IN GENERAL I WOULD SAY MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS WOULD CONFIRM WITH ME THAT THEY CONCUR THAT MOST SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS NOT ADEQUATELY FUNDED.

SO THE LEVEL OF SUPPORTIVE SERVICES IN GENERAL FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS NOT NECESSARILY ADEQUATE.

SO THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A LONG TERM ADVOCACY TO BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS TO ADEQUATELY FUND SERVICE LEVELS FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY COULD REALLY MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS REGARDING LOCAL PREFERENCES AND REGARDING CHANGES TO THE VETERAN, THE RULES FOR VETERAN INCOME AND REQUIREMENTS LIKE THAT. AND REGIONAL TASK FORCE ON FOR ON HOMELESSNESS.

ARE IS HERE TONIGHT.

TAMARA KOHLER THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

SHE'S AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IN CASE ANYTHING CAME UP ON THIS ISSUE.

BUT SHE IS ALSO SUPPORTIVE AND INCLUDING THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, IF THERE IS ANY, SOME SUBCOMMITTEE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CREATED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.

GREAT. THANK YOU. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE WORK IS MORE LONG TERM, BUT I HEARD FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT 55 YEARS IS WHAT THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME PROGRAM IS SUPPOSED TO LAST.

SO THERE'S WE CAN WORK ON THAT AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE TAKE A MEDIA ACTION.

CORRECT ON OTHER THINGS.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU.

TIME TO SUM IT ALL UP.

YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO US.

I REMEMBER SAYING, THIS IS TOO EXPENSIVE.

WE WERE I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS 600,000 PER DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I SAID, WELL, MY GOODNESS, WE COULD BUY CONDOS THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR OUR HOMELESS PEOPLE AND PUT THEM IN CONDOS AND FOR LESS MONEY. BUT THEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE HOMELESS VETERANS WHO HAD THINGS LIKE PTSD WERE IN ONE LOCATION SO THEY CAN RECEIVE THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEEDED.

AND AS MUCH AS I WAS VERY HESITANT TO SAY YES BECAUSE OF THE COST, HOW IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO SAY NO TO HELPING OUR HOMELESS VETERANS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT ARE CREATING SOME OF THEIR HOMELESSNESS ISSUES? SO I VOTED AND I VOTED PROUDLY TO SAY YES TO THE PROJECT.

SOMEHOW, THROUGH THROUGH THE MONTHS AND THROUGH THE YEARS, IT MORPHED AND IT MORPHED INTO SOMETHING THAT HAD I KNOWN IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS, I WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY VOTED NO. BUT I VOTED YES.

AND THIS IS HERE BECAUSE PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF MY VOTE.

SO NOW MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT I PROTECT THE QUALITY OF THE OF LIFE OF THOSE RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOW ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT.

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NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF CALLS THERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SO MANY OF THEM ARE FOCUSED ON EITHER BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OR ON JUST A FEW OF THE RESIDENTS, AND I JUST DO NOT WANT TO CAUSE COLLATERAL DAMAGE TO THOSE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LIVING THERE, FOLLOWING THE RULES, BENEFITING FROM THE SERVICES. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT COMPROMISE IS.

SO I HAVE MET WITH SO MANY PEOPLE AND THE COMPROMISE THAT I'M COMING UP WITH, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE MY MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE GUEST POLICY, THAT SOMEBODY BE IN THE LOBBIES OF BOTH LOCATIONS AND CHECK PEOPLE IN AND OUT.

AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND I UNDERSTAND BOTH LOCATIONS HAVE ONLY ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT.

SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF PERSON ON DUTY CHECKING PEOPLE IN AND OUT THAT WE HAVE SECURITY AND NOT ONE SECURITY GUARD SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO LOCATIONS, BUT SECURITY AT EACH OF THE TWO LOCATIONS.

I UNDERSTAND MY NEXT REQUEST IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED, BUT I'M GOING TO ADD IT TO THIS THAT IT HAVE 24 HOUR MONITORED SECURITY.

THIS IS NOT RECORDED SECURITY.

SO WE GO BACK AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT CURRENTLY THEY HAVE MONITORED SECURITY.

SO THERE'S A HUMAN SOMEPLACE WATCHING THE GOINGS ON AT BOTH OF THESE LOCATIONS.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO ASK THAT BE PUT INTO THE THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

I'VE BEEN HEARING EVERYTHING FROM 14 DAYS.

I HEARD SEVEN DAYS.

BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL ON APRIL 9TH FOR US TO SEE WHAT WHAT IT SAYS.

BUT I'M VERY I'M GOING TO BE VERY HARD NOSED ON THESE REQUESTS.

THEN I'M GOING TO ASK THAT AFTER THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN IS PUT INTO PLACE, THAT FOUR MONTHS LATER WE GET A REPORT BACK ON HOW IS IT GOING, HOW IS IT WORKING, WHAT ARE THE CALLS, WHAT ARE THE CRIMES OR HOPEFULLY THE LACK OF CRIMES? THAT'S GOING TO BE MY MOTION.

BUT I ALSO AM GOING TO REQUEST THAT OUR LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE BECOME VERY AGGRESSIVE ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TODAY INCLUDING THINGS LIKE MAKING SURE THAT HOMELESS VETERANS WHO HAVE VETERANS BENEFITS AREN'T CONSIDERED, MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY TO LIVE HERE YET DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO TO RENT A HOUSE ELSEWHERE.

IS THERE ANYTHING I SHOULD ADD TO THAT MOTION? MR. BURKHOLDER. SORRY. I PUSHED REQUEST TO SPEAK.

IT'S NOT WORKING. IF I IT SOUNDED LIKE A BOOK.

SO COULD YOU JUST READ IT OR JUST HAVE SOMEONE READ IT AGAIN SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT IT WAS? OKAY, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH IT REAL BRIEFLY AND AND YOU TELL AND STAFF, TELL ME IF YOU NEED ME TO GO OVER IT.

A SECOND PLAN, THIS WILL BE A MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A BINDING PLAN.

THIS ISN'T JUST A THEORY, A THEORETICAL DOCUMENT THAT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN BE PUT TOGETHER BEFORE APRIL 9TH AND BROUGHT BACK TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE APRIL 9TH. THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL HAVE AN AMENDED GUEST POLICY WITH CHECKING IN AND OUT THAT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE LOBBY DOING THE CHECKING IN AND OUT, THAT WE HAVE TWO SECURITY GUARDS, ONE FOR EACH OF THE TWO LOCATIONS AND THAT WE HAVE THE 24 HOUR MONITORED SECURITY.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

OKAY, THEN I HAVE A QUESTION.

I MEAN, I CAN SECOND IT FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, PLEASE.

THEN MR..

JONATHAN. SORRY.

TAYLOR WITH THE MAYOR'S MOTION, IS IT EVEN LOGISTICALLY POSSIBLE TO DO WHAT HE'S ASKING AS FAR AS CHECKING PEOPLE IN AND OUT? IF THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO CATCH EVERYBODY GOING IN AND OUT? I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT IS, BUT CAN WE MAKE EFFORTS TO HAVE PEOPLE SIGN IN AND CHECK OUT? YES, WE CAN HAVE WE CAN ASK PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TO MAKE THOSE EFFORTS.

OKAY. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THEM, YOUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, TO ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. THE MANAGEMENT PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT IS AGREED TO BY AFFIRMED HOUSING AS THE OWNER AND ALSO WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

AND THEN OKAY.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL. I'M SECONDED.

OKAY. MR. ACOSTA, PLEASE. THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE WORK THAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE THERE WERE A FEW OTHER THINGS IN HERE UNDER LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE, LIKE URGING THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO THAT UP SECOND.

OH, OKAY. YEAH. RIGHT NOW I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

[03:30:01]

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MISS LUNA.

I THINK SINCE SECURITY IS SUCH PROBABLY 90% OF THE DISCUSSION WE HEARD TODAY WAS ABOUT SECURITY, I THINK THE CHIEF HAS COME UP WITH SORT OF FROM A LAW OFFICER AND A CHIEF PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST APPROACH? AND I DON'T THINK WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS ENOUGH.

I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE CHIEF'S RECOMMENDATION IN THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THEY CAN DISCUSS IT AND SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF IT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TWO.

INDIVIDUALS AT EACH FACILITY FOR 24 HOURS.

SINCE THE MAJORITY OF THE TESTIMONY THAT I'VE HEARD HAS BEEN WITH RESPECT TO SECURITY AND.

IS THERE ONE POINT OF ENTRY AND EXIT HERE AT THIS FACILITY, OR WAS THAT ANOTHER FACILITY YOU WERE REFERRING TO? DID YOU? YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS MISS MILLS? YOU CAN. THERE.

THERE IS A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE FROM THE PARKING GARAGE, SO THERE IS NOT ONE POINT, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE POINTS.

OKAY. WHAT MAKES THE CHECK IN AND CHECK OUT CHECK OUT A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC, SO.

BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS, BOTH MYSELF AND THE CHIEF AND ANY ANYONE ELSE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, AS WELL AS A FIRM TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO START HIGHER THAN COMING LOWER.

YEAH. AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION.

I VISITED THE ONE THAT'S ON HARDING, AND IT LOOKED LIKE IF YOU WENT IN BY THE FRONT DOOR OR BY THE GARAGE, YOU STILL ENDED UP IN THE LOBBY TO TAKE THE ELEVATOR UP. AM I INCORRECT? IN TERMS OF LIKE THE EYES ON THE THE.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT DOOR AND THE GARAGE DOOR AT THE SAME TIME, BUT I'LL DEFER TO.

TO AFFIRMED HOUSING.

UNCLE IS MY MEMORY.

AND OF COURSE, I COULD BE WRONG THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS IN THE LOBBY WHERE THE ELEVATOR IS, THAT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN VIA THE GARAGE, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME LOBBY TO GET TO THE ELEVATOR. IS THAT ACCURATE? THEY COULD ACCESS THE THERE IS A LOBBY BACK FURTHER SO THAT THEY IT'S NOT A LOBBY, BUT A HALLWAY THAT THEY COULD ACCESS THE STAIRS TO TO GO UPSTAIRS. OKAY. THANK YOU.

MR. ACOSTA, PLEASE.

JUST REALLY QUICKLY. THERE'S EASY WORKAROUNDS.

MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED IN ASSISTED LIVING.

YOU JUST HAVE TO WEAR A VISITOR PASS, AND YOU HAVE TO GET THAT FROM THE FRONT DESK.

AND IF YOU SEE ANYONE WHO'S NOT A RESIDENT NOT WEARING A VISITOR PASS, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN THERE.

AND THEY THEY GET REPORTED AND THEY GET KICKED OUT.

SO THERE'S EASY WORKAROUNDS.

OKAY. SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

I THINK MISS BURKHOLDER SECONDED THAT MOTION.

AND NOW THIS IS JUST ON THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION AFTER THIS.

SO PLEASE VOTE.

OKAY. SO.

OKAY. THAT PASSES 4 TO 1.

AND WITH MISS LUNA'S COMMENTS, AND MY NEXT REQUEST IS THAT WE MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ASK STAFF TO PRESSURE, FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WORD, OUR COUNTY AND OTHER BEHAVIORAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BEHAVIORAL, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES TO THOSE RESIDENTS WHO NEED IT.

AND ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT IS TO WORK ON RAISING THE INCOME LIMITS FOR FOR VETERANS.

SO THEY'RE NOT PROHIBITED FROM LIVING THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T BECAUSE THEY MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY AND ALSO INSTRUCT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY STAFF.

DID I COVER EVERYTHING? SIR, IT MIGHT BE EASIER JUST TO BECAUSE ONE OF THE THAT'S MISSING IS A DEVELOPMENT IMPLEMENT PLAN WITHIN 45 DAYS TO URGE THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO TO ALLOW NEW WINDSOR PERMANENT RESIDENTS HOUSED UNDER THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME FUNDING TO START WITH A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE, WITH THE OPTION TO MOVE TO A LOWER LEVEL IF APPROPRIATE, RATHER THAN STARTING WITH A MINIMAL SERVICES AS NEEDED.

SINCE THAT'S ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN, THAT'LL BE EASY FOR STAFF TO, TO FOLLOW.

SO THAT WITH THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF.

ANY INPUT OR ANY ADDITIONS? MISS BURKHOLDER, I'M JUST GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED YOU IN BRIEFING IF IT IS OKAY.

AND AT THE TIME, YOU DIDN'T DIDN'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOUND OUT IF IT IS OKAY, THAT WE START THESE RECIPIENTS AT A HIGHER LEVEL INITIALLY INSTEAD OF AT THE ENTRY LEVEL, THE LOWER LEVEL OF CARE, AND STILL RECEIVE THE FUNDING THAT THEY NEED TO BE RECEIVED.

SO AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ADVOCACY WITHIN 45 DAYS TO TO HAVE THAT RESPONSE.

[03:35:04]

THE. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUAL TREATMENT, NOT NECESSARILY THE ON SITE CASE MANAGEMENT.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SERVICE.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YES, YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT SAME ALPHA PROJECT TIPS PROGRAM ON SITE AND PROVIDING KIND OF LIKE THE GENERAL DAY TO DAY SUPPORT SERVICES TO THOSE RESIDENTS.

BUT THEN THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS WHO DO NEED A HIGHER LEVEL OF TREATMENT, AND THOSE FOLKS SHOULD BE REFERRED IMMEDIATELY AS SOON AS IT'S IDENTIFIED THAT THAT IS THE NEED. OKAY, I CAN I CAN GET BEHIND WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE.

ADDITIONALLY, I MIGHT REQUEST THAT WHEN YOU BRING THESE THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE, THE WINDSOR POINT IN AND OF ITSELF.

BUT WHEN YOU BRING BACK ANOTHER REPORT, PERHAPS YOU HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT YOU DEEM AS SERVICES AND WHAT WHAT SERVICES ALPHA PROJECT PROVIDES, BECAUSE WE SAY THE WORD SUPPORT AND SERVICES ALMOST INTERCHANGEABLY, AND THEY MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHAT WHO THE RECIPIENT IS AND WHAT TYPE OF INTERVENTION IT IS.

SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR IN WHAT WE'RE SORT OF INTERPRETING HERE.

THANK YOU. SO THE MOTION WAS FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

ANY INPUT I'M SECONDING.

OKAY. ANY OTHER INPUT? PLEASE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER ALREADY SECONDED.

APPARENTLY. OKAY. I'M SORRY.

OKAY. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO WITH THIS ITEM? THANK YOU ALL. AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP TO TO HELP US WITH THIS ISSUE.

INSERT JUST AS A REMINDER, WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 9TH.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE FINAL ITEM, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT COULD BE DONE RATHER QUICKLY.

[10. CONTINUATION OF PROCLAMATION OF A STORM-RELATED LOCAL EMERGENCY FOR REPAIR OF THE SLOPE BETWEEN EL CAMINO REAL AND TRIESTE DRIVE, APPROVAL OF PLANS AND AUTHORIZATION OF ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR THIS EMERGENCY, CIP PROJECT NO. 6107]

SO CITY MANAGER, WITH THAT REQUEST.

ITEM TEN BREVITY IS KEY.

AND THE LAST ITEM, WHICH IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PROCLAMATION OF A STORM RELATED LOCAL EMERGENCY FOR REPAIR OF THE SLOPE BETWEEN EL CAMINO REAL AND TREEHOUSE DRIVE.

APPROVAL OF PLANS AND AUTHORIZATION FOR ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION FOR THIS EMERGENCY AT CIP PROJECT NUMBER 6107.

MAKING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY IS OUR TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR, TOM FRANK, AND OUR ENGINEERING MANAGER, HUSSAIN.

AGED GENTLEMEN.

YEAH. THANK YOU SIR.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS TOM FRANK.

I'M THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND CITY ENGINEER.

AND TODAY WITH ME IS HUSSAIN, AGED, OUR ENGINEERING MANAGER, WHO WILL BE GIVING YOU THE PRESENTATION.

AND THEN WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. FRANK.