GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING
COMMISSION. 
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ROLL CALL MADAM CLERK. 
          COMMISSIONER DANNA. 
          PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MERZ. 
          HERE. COMMISSIONER HUBINGER. 
          COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS ABSENT THIS EVENING. 
          COMMISSIONER STINE. 
          HERE. VICE CHAIR MEENES. 
          PRESENT. CHAIR KAMENJARIN IS ABSENT THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH APPRECIATE. 
          COMMISSIONER DANNA, WOULD YOU DO THE HONORS OF PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THIS EVENING? YES. PLEASE STAND READY BEGIN. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR
WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          OKAY THIS EVENING WE DO NOT HAVE MINUTES. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM CHAIR? I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE. 
          THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO REVIEW QUICKLY THE PROCEDURES IN REGARD TO SPEAKER SLIPS AND MEETING PROCEDURES THIS EVENING. 
          THE FOLLOWING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PROCEDURES ARE IN EFFECT. 
          WE WILL REQUIRE A REQUEST REQUEST FORM OF ALL ITEMS ON THE NOT ON THE AGENDA, INCLUDING
PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          REQUEST TO SPEAK MUST BE TURNED IN TO THE MINUTES CLERK PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING. 
          THIS WILL ALLOW SPEAKER TIME TO MANAGE A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. 
          ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS REDUCED BY THE CHAIRPERSON. 
          SPEAKERS MAY NOT GIVE THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER. 
          GROUP TIME WILL BE PERMITTED FOR ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          THE REPRESENTATIVE MUST IDENTIFY THE GROUP AND AT LEAST THREE MEMBERS OF THE GROUP MUST
BE PRESENT DURING THE MEETING IN WHICH THE PRESENTATION IS BEING MADE. 
          THOSE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP WILL HAVE TEN MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS CHANGED BY
THE CHAIRPERSON. 
          THE MINUTES CLERK WILL CALL THE NAMES OF THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER THE REQUESTS
ARE RECEIVED. 
          THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY. 
          MINUTES CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? NO WE DON'T. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE. 
          OKAY ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WE DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO THEREFORE I WILL NOT PROVIDE THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES THIS EVENING BECAUSE IT'S
NOT APPLICABLE. 
          SO IN REGARD TO ITEMS THAT ARE NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE MR. LARDY, OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THE ITEM DEPARTMENT REPORTS ITEM. 
          [1. DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE - INFORMATIONAL REPORT AND STATUS UPDATE]
YES. AND TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENT A REPORT ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE I'M INVITING
PUBLIC WORKS SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER KATIE HENTRICH. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. 
          THERE WE ARE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS VICE CHAIR I AM KATIE HENTRICH. 
          PRONOUNS SHE/HER. 
          I AM A SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER AND THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ADMINISTRATOR, AND I
WILL BE PROVIDING AN INTRODUCTION TO THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. AND WHILE THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT, I WANTED TO THANK OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, THE
ENERGY POLICY INITIATIVES CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SAN DIEGO AND ASCENT ENVIRONMENTAL FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS EFFORT. 
          THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM IS TO RECEIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION
PLAN UPDATE. 
          DURING THE PRESENTATION, I'LL BE PROVIDING INFORMATION ON THE PURPOSE OF THE CLIMATE
ACTION PLAN, THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, TARGETS AND PROJECTIONS FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED MEASURES, TOUCH ON
CLIMATE EQUITY, DISCUSS PUBLIC INPUT TO DATE AND PROVIDE NEXT STEPS. 
          LET'S START WITH THE BASICS. 
          CLIMATE ACTION PLAN OUTLINES STRATEGIES AND POLICIES TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
TO MEET REDUCTION TARGETS. 
          THE CITY ADOPTED ITS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IN 2015 AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT
SAME YEAR. 
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THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS THEN AMENDED IN 2020, AND THIS WAS LARGELY DONE TO CORRECT A
CALCULATION ERROR WITHIN THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY PROJECTIONS AND TARGETS. WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN WAS UPDATED IN 2015, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS INCLUDED
AS A MITIGATION MEASURE IN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. AND BECAUSE THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WENT THROUGH THE CEQA PROCESS BY WAY OF THAT
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, THIS MEANS THAT THE PLAN IS CEQA QUALIFIED OR THAT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT SHOW CONSISTENCY WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION
PLAN CAN BE STREAMLINED. 
          A NUMBER OF PREVIOUS ACTIONS HAVE SET THE STAGE FOR UPDATING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN,
STARTING WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT ON THE PLAN PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL 2021. 
          DURING THIS ITEM, STAFF DISCUSSED THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONE EFFORT THAT HAD RECENTLY
BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE TO FOLLOW TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY LAND USE AND GROWTH CHANGES THAT WOULD COME OUT OF
THAT EFFORT. 
          ON JUNE 8TH, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FUNDING FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          THEN, ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A DECLARATION OF A CLIMATE
EMERGENCY. 
          ON OCTOBER 11TH, 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH
INCLUDES SUSTAINABILITY AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, AS ONE OF ITS FIVE FOCUS AREAS AS WELL AS AN OBJECTIVE AND STRATEGIC ACTION. 
          THEN, ON JANUARY 30TH, 2024, THE CITY COUNCIL CERTIFIED THE FINAL SUPPLEMENTAL
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE AND COMMUNITY DESIGN ELEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT, WHICH ENCOMPASSED THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONE
EFFORT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. 
          INCLUDED IN THAT CEQA DOCUMENT IS MITIGATION MEASURE GHG-1, WHICH REQUIRES THE CITY TO
DRAFT AND ADOPT A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE WITHIN 12 TO 18 MONTHS THAT ACCOMMODATES THE UPDATED GREENHOUSE GAS TARGETS, AND INCLUDES THE
ADDITIONAL GROWTH ALLOWED IN THE UPDATED HOUSING PROJECTIONS. 
          THE TARGET COMPLETION DATE FOR THAT MITIGATION MEASURE IS JANUARY TO JULY 2025. 
          BECAUSE OUR CURRENTLY ADOPTED CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS SEVERAL YEARS OLD, THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE. 
          UPDATING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ALLOWS US TO BETTER REFLECT NEW STATE TARGETS AND
MANDATES, MANY OF WHICH HAVE CHANGED SINCE 2015. 
          IT ALLOWS US TO FURTHER PURSUE THE CITY'S GUIDING PRINCIPLE AND COMMUNITY VALUE OF
SUSTAINABILITY. 
          WE CAN INCLUDE NEW MEASURES. 
          WE CAN MAKE THE PLAN EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND WE CAN BUILD CONSENSUS ALONG THE WAY. 
          THIS GRAPHIC PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH YOU CAN
SEE IS A CONSTANT LOOP. 
          SO PRETENDING IT'S 2015, LET'S START WITH BOX NUMBER ONE AT THE TOP WITH DEVELOPING THE
PLAN. 
          THE CORE COMPONENTS OF WHICH ARE THE BASELINE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY PROJECTIONS AND
TARGETS, AS WELL AS THE MEASURES IN THE PLAN, ALL OF WHICH I'LL BE PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION ON LATER. 
          ONCE THE 2015 PLAN WAS ADOPTED, WE MOVED TO BOX NUMBER TWO TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN, USING
THE INFORMATION IN THE PLAN ITSELF AS A GUIDE FOR TIMING OF THE LOCAL AND COLLABORATIVE ACTIONS, OR A SEPARATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IF
THAT'S PREFERRED. 
          MOVING TO BOX NUMBER THREE. 
          STAFF MONITORED AND REPORTED PROGRESS OF THE 2015 PLAN ANNUALLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THESE ANNUAL REPORTS INCLUDED GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY UPDATES WHEN AVAILABLE, ACTIVITY
DATA FOR THE MEASURES IN THE PLAN, AND EVALUATED OVERALL PROGRESS. 
          WHEN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE WORK STARTED IN 2021, WE THEN FOUND OURSELVES BACK AT
BOX NUMBER ONE. 
          THE BOX IN THE CENTER OF THE GRAPHIC CALLS OUT THINGS TO CONSIDER THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS,
SUCH AS STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, WHICH I'LL BE COVERING LATER, BENEFITS AND COSTS, ADAPTATION AND EQUITY AND CEQA. 
          NO CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS COMPLETE WITHOUT A GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY AND THIS SLIDE
SHOWS THE 2016 INVENTORY THAT WE ARE USING FOR THE UPDATE. 
          THE CITY'S TOTAL EMISSIONS WERE 981,000 METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT, AND THE
BREAKDOWN OF THE INVENTORY FOLLOWS A STANDARD PATTERN ACROSS JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND THE STATE, WITH ON ROAD
TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNTING FOR THE BULK OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AT 51%, FOLLOWED BY ELECTRICITY AT 27%, NATURAL GAS AT 14%, AND THEN THE REMAINING SECTORS ALL AT
LESS THAN 5%. 
          IF YOU ARE A REGULAR PERSON AND NOT SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS EVERY DAY LIKE ME, 981,000 OF
METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT IS CHALLENGING TO UNDERSTAND. 
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SO FOR MORE CONTEXT, THAT NUMBER IS THE SAME AS CONSUMING 110 MILLION GALLONS OF
GASOLINE, DRIVING 218,000 PASSENGER VEHICLES CONTINUOUSLY FOR ONE YEAR, RECYCLING 48,000 GARBAGE TRUCKS
WORTH OF WASTE VERSUS SENDING IT TO A LANDFILL, OR THE TOTAL ELECTRICITY USED BY 124,000 HOUSEHOLDS FOR ONE YEAR. 
          USING THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, WE THEN SET OUR REDUCTION TARGETS. 
          THIS SLIDE IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW THAT HAPPENS. 
          THESE ARE NOT OUR ACTUAL TARGETS, BUT STARTING WITH THE TOP LINE, THAT IS OUR BUSINESS AS
USUAL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION PROJECTION. 
          THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE CITY DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IF I DIDN'T HAVE A JOB HERE,
NOTHING IS GOING ON. 
          THE MIDDLE LINE REPRESENTS THE LEGISLATIVELY ADJUSTED BUSINESS AS USUAL PROJECTIONS. 
          WITH SO MANY STATE AND FEDERAL ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS, THIS ACTUALLY LOWERS THE
CEILING OF WHERE LOCAL AGENCIES NEED TO START WHEN ASSESSING THEIR GREENHOUSE GAS IMPACTS. 
          AND THEN THE ARROWS BENEATH THAT CENTER LINE REPRESENT THE REDUCTIONS NEEDED FROM A LOCAL
AGENCY, OR THE GAP THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE TO MEET THESE TARGETS. AND HOW THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED IS THROUGH THE MEASURES IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          USING OUR UPDATED GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY AND THE LATEST STATE REGULATIONS, WE HAVE TWO
UPDATED TARGETS FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          BY 2035, THE CITY WILL NEED TO REDUCE 50% OF ITS EMISSIONS BELOW THE 2016 BASELINE. 
          THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH SENATE BILL 32 AND ALSO ALIGNS WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN BUILD OUT
YEAR. 
          BY 2045, THE CITY WILL NEED TO REDUCE 85% OF EMISSIONS BELOW THE 2016 BASELINE. 
          AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH ASSEMBLY BILL 1279. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR INVENTORY, WE HAVE OUR TARGETS, NOW LET US TALK ABOUT OUR PROJECTIONS. 
          SO WE HAVE THE TOP LINE OR THE ORANGE LINE. 
          THAT IS OUR BUSINESS AS USUAL PROJECTIONS. 
          ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, STARTING WITH THAT 981,000 METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE
EQUIVALENT, OR ALL THOSE CARS DRIVING AROUND, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT IN OUR 2016 BASELINE YEAR, AND THEN PROJECTING ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE
TO 2045. 
          IN THE CENTER, THERE ARE TWO LINES THAT ARE PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          THE LINE THAT STARTS ON THE BOTTOM BUT MOVES TOWARDS THE TOP OR THE BLUE LINE. 
          THAT'S OUR LEGISLATIVELY ADJUSTED BUSINESS AS USUAL PROJECTIONS. 
          SO TAKING ALL OF THOSE STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION INTO ACCOUNT. 
          THE LINE THAT SWITCHES PLACES WITH IT OR THE PURPLE LINE. 
          THOSE ARE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGETS. 
          SO IF YOU ARE A SAVVY LINE GRAPH READER, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT IN 2035 THERE IS NO
EMISSIONS GAP TO CLOSE. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGET IS HIGHER THAN THE LEGISLATIVELY
ADJUSTED PROJECTION. 
          HOWEVER, IF WE KEEP GOING TO 2045, THIS IS NO LONGER THE CASE. 
          THE LINES HAVE FLIP FLOPPED. 
          THERE'S NOW A 92,000 METRIC TON CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT GAP THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE IN
ORDER TO MEET OUR TARGET. 
          SO BEFORE I MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE
MEETING OUR 2035 TARGETS SOLELY BASED ON STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN DO NOTHING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SLOPE OF THE LINE CONTINUES GENTLY DOWN AT THIS SLOPE
VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF FALLING OFF OF A CLIFF IN 2035. 
          AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPOSED MEASURES THAT WILL TAKE MANY
YEARS TO SUCCESSFULLY DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT. 
          KNOWING THE EMISSIONS GAP THE CITY NEEDED TO CLOSE, WE THEN STARTED THINKING THROUGH
POTENTIAL MEASURES. 
          THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING THE MEASURES, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO LEVERAGE EXISTING
CITY EFFORTS TO DEFRAY ADDITIONAL COSTS AND STAFF TIME AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          INCLUDE SUCCESSFUL MEASURES FROM OUR PREVIOUS EXISTING CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          ENSURE THAT THE MEASURES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED BY INCORPORATING INFORMATION FROM STAFF
ACROSS THE CITY. 
          REFLECT THE CITY'S GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND COMMUNITY VALUES OF SUSTAINABILITY. 
          CREATE MEASURES THAT ARE REPORTABLE AND TRANSPARENT, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, DESIGN MEASURES
THAT MEET THE REDUCTION TARGETS. 
          THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE HAS 25 POTENTIAL MEASURES, WITH 37 PRIMARY ACTIONS
AND 69 SUPPORTING ACTIONS, AND TOGETHER THOSE MEASURES EXCEED THE 2045 REDUCTION TARGETS BY 6000 METRIC TONS OF
CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT. 
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AND ALL OF THESE MEASURES ARE INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT ONE TO YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          THIS IS A SAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PROPOSED MEASURES IN THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          I KNOW IT'S VERY SMALL ON THE SCREEN, BUT I AT LEAST WANTED TO WALK THROUGH WHAT
INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN EACH MEASURE. 
          SO THE MEASURES ARE ORGANIZED INTO THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES, WATER AND WASTE WATER,
ENERGY, WASTE DIVERSION, TRANSPORTATION, OFF ROAD EQUIPMENT, AND CARBON SEQUESTRATION. 
          SO THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH MEASURE, EXCUSE ME, STARTING AT THE TOP LEFT, WE
HAVE A MEASURE NUMBER, TITLE AND TYPE OF MEASURE. SPECIFICALLY, IF IT'S AN EXISTING ACTION, EXPANDED ACTION OR A NEW ACTION. 
          MOVING DOWN THE PAGE, THERE'S A SHORT DESCRIPTION OF THE MEASURE AND THEN THE PRIMARY AND
SUPPORTIVE ACTIONS FOR EACH MEASURE. 
          TYPICALLY, A PRIMARY ACTION IS THE ACTION THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REDUCING THE GREENHOUSE GAS
EMISSIONS, THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE TRACKING WITH THE DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HITTING OUR TARGETS AND SUPPORTIVE ACTIONS ARE JUST THAT, THEY'RE MEANT TO SUPPORT THAT
PRIMARY ACTION. 
          AND THEN IN THE BOXES, EACH MEASURE HAS THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS ASSOCIATED
IMPLEMENTATION DETAILS SUCH AS TIMING AND RESPONSIBLE CITY DEPARTMENT'S MONITORING BENCHMARKS, THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO MONITOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF
THE MEASURE. 
          EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS AND CO-BENEFITS. 
          SPEAKING OF EQUITY, CLIMATE EQUITY DESERVES MUCH MORE ATTENTION THAN ONE SLIDE, BUT I DID
WANT TO TOUCH ON IT BECAUSE IT IS A NEW COMPONENT TO THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTS ARE FELT DISPROPORTIONATELY BY VULNERABLE POPULATIONS,
PEOPLE OF COLOR, COMMUNITIES OF CONCERN AND MORE, AND THE BENEFITS OF AND OPPORTUNITIES RELATED TO THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE MUST BE
DISTRIBUTED EQUITABLY THROUGHOUT CARLSBAD. 
          THE EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED MEASURES, AS I HIGHLIGHTED ON
THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, BUT THESE ARE FAIRLY SURFACE LEVEL AT BEST. 
          A CLIMATE EQUITY ANALYSIS, PREPARED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS
WOULD HELP STAFF WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR GRANT FUNDING TO SUPPORT. 
          MOVING ON TO PUBLIC INPUT. 
          EARLY ON IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, STAFF CONDUCTED PHASE ONE OF PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT. 
          THE GOAL OF THIS PHASE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE REFLECTED THE
COMMUNITY'S NEEDS, AND THE THEMES THAT WE HEARD ARE LISTED ON THE SLIDE. I THEN WAITED OVER A YEAR FOR A CRITICAL DATA SET FOR THIS EFFORT. 
          YOU MAY REMEMBER THE CUSTOM MODEL RUN FROM SANDAG THAT WAS BEING USED FOR THE HOUSING
ELEMENT REZONE EFFORT, IT'S THAT VERY SAME DATA. 
          SO DURING THAT TIME, WE CONTINUED OUTREACH IN WHAT I INFORMALLY REFERRED TO AS PHASE 1.5. 
          THIS WAS TABLING AT COMMUNITY EVENTS, PROMOTING THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS, THINGS
LIKE THAT AT, YOU KNOW, OUR EARTH DAY FAIR EXTRAVAGANZA, OUR FIXIT CLINICS, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          THE INFORMATION THAT WE GATHERED DURING PHASE ONE AND 1.5 WAS USED TO HELP DEVELOP THE
LIST OF POTENTIAL MEASURES FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          PHASE TWO OF ENGAGEMENT RAN FROM MID-OCTOBER THROUGH MID-NOVEMBER 2023, WHEN WE ASKED FOR
PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PROPOSED MEASURES. 
          THIS WAS DONE THROUGH AN ONLINE SURVEY IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH. 
          MEETINGS WITH INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS, TABLING AT EVENTS LIKE THE ONES I JUST MENTIONED,
AS WELL AS POP UP TABLING AT OUR CITY FACILITIES AND PARKS ACROSS ALL DISTRICTS TIMES AND DAYS OF THE WEEK. 
          AND THE GOAL OF THE POP UP TABLING WAS TO GO WHERE PEOPLE WERE, CHAT WITH THEM INFORMALLY
ABOUT OUR SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          WE ALSO SHARED INFORMATION THROUGH THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS AND CITY MANAGER
WEEKLY EMAILS, AND WE GOT A LOT OF REALLY GREAT INPUT. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATED ALL OF THE INPUT AND PARTICIPATION THAT WE RECEIVED ACROSS THE
BOARD. 
          THERE IS AN APPENDIX WITHIN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN,
UPDATE ITS APPENDIX D, AND EXHIBIT ONE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC INPUT SUMMARY SO YOU CAN DIG IN AND READ MORE INFORMATION THERE. 
          OVERALL, THE THEMES THAT WE'VE HEARD IN PHASE TWO MIRRORED THOSE IN PHASE ONE. 
          AND WHAT I HAVE ON THE SLIDE IS BUT A SAMPLE OF FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED. 
          SO THERE WAS BROAD GENERAL SUPPORT FOR SEVERAL MEASURES. 
          THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE BATTERIES ARE HARMFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT,
AND THAT THEY PROMOTE INHUMANE LABOR PRACTICES AND THEIR EXTRACTION. 
          WE RECEIVED COMMENTS ENCOURAGING THAT A REACH CODE UPDATE SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED AS A
POTENTIAL MEASURE, AND WE GOT COMMENTS THAT A REACH CODE UPDATE SHOULD BE INCLUDED AS A 
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POTENTIAL MEASURE. 
          WE HEARD THAT ELECTRIFICATION AND RENEWABLE ENERGY REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY CHALLENGING AND
EXPENSIVE. 
          WE ALSO HEARD THAT COSTS AND BENEFITS TO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED,
ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW BUILDINGS. 
          WE HEARD THAT EXISTING TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS HAVE NEGATIVE
IMPACTS ON OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND WE ALSO HEARD THAT USING 2035 AS A TARGET YEAR IS NOT AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH. 
          ANOTHER IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF PHASE TWO OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS A PRESENTATION OF THE
PROPOSED MEASURES AT THE NOVEMBER 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          AT THAT MEETING, WE HEARD THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. 
          FIRST, TO ESTABLISH CLEAR INTERIM BENCHMARKS BETWEEN THE 2035 AND 2045 TARGET YEARS. 
          SECOND, TO ADD IN MORE MEASURES SO THE TOTAL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCE WERE HIGHER
THAN THE 2045 REDUCTION TARGET. 
          AND A QUICK ASTERISK THERE IS, BECAUSE THE SUITE OF PROPOSED MEASURES WE SHARED LAST FALL
WERE MEETING OUR 2045 REDUCTION TARGET EXACTLY VERSUS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH IS NOW EXCEEDING THAT TARGET. 
          WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL TO ADD IN A MEASURE TO INSTALL SOLAR IN CITY OWNED PARKING LOTS. 
          AND WE HEARD TO ADD A MEASURE IN BANNING ARTIFICIAL TURF WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO STAFF DID THE FIRST THREE BULLETS ON THIS LIST. 
          THE SAMPLE MEASURE THAT I SHARED WAS ACTUALLY OUR SOLAR CARPORT MEASURE BACK A COUPLE
SLIDES AGO. 
          STAFF DID NOT INCLUDE A MEASURE BANNING ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          THIS IS BECAUSE THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS THAT THE CITY COULD ACCOUNT FOR WERE VERY
LOW, AND THE COST TO REMOVE AND BAN TURF WAS VERY HIGH. 
          JUMPING AHEAD TO THE PRESENT DAY, THE PUBLIC DRAFT OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE WAS
POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE ON JULY 8TH, AND SHARED IN OUR CITY MANAGER'S WEEKLY EMAIL ON CITY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, THROUGH OUR STAKEHOLDER MAILING LISTS, IN
NEWS ARTICLES, AT COMMUNITY EVENTS. 
          SINCE THEN, STAFF HAS MET WITH 11 STAKEHOLDER GROUPS TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT PLAN. 
          STAFF ALSO RECEIVED 13 COMMENTS BY THE BY AUGUST 16TH, AND THIS WAS THE DEADLINE THAT WE
INFORMED THE PUBLIC OF TO RECEIVE COMMENTS TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT PACKET. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT TWO FOR YOUR REFERENCE IN THE ORDER THAT
THEY WERE RECEIVED. 
          FOR NEXT STEPS, STAFF WILL BE CONTINUING OUTREACH AND RECEIVING PUBLIC INPUT ON THE DRAFT
PLAN. 
          WE WILL BE RETURNING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER, AND AT THAT MEETING, THE
PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE CONSIDERING MAKING TWO RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND AS OF NOW, WE ARE ON SCHEDULE TO BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION LATER
THIS FALL. 
          A BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THOSE TWO
RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THE FIRST WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CERTIFY ADDENDUM NUMBER ONE TO
THE HOUSING ELEMENT IMPLEMENTATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT UPDATE SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN
UPDATE THAT IS THE CEQA DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO ADOPT A
CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          AND THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD ALSO INCLUDE WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD MEET THE MINIMUM
REQUIRED 2045 REDUCTION TARGET OR EXCEED IT. 
          THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM IS TO RECEIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE DRAFT CLIMATE
ACTION PLAN UPDATE, AND I'LL NOW TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. 
          CLARIFYING. COMMISSIONER STINE. 
          YES. EXCELLENT OVERVIEW ON THIS, THIS IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT. 
          I SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR THIS AFTERNOON TRYING TO JUST GET A SENSE OF IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT
IN THERE. 
          CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE ITEMS. THE TERM CARBON SEQUESTRATION. 
          ARE WE TALKING AND I LIKE TO BREAK IT DOWN IN RATHER THAN HIGHFALUTIN WORDS AND PRACTICAL
TERMS IS WHAT DOES IT MEAN? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PLANTING TREES THAT BASICALLY TAKE CARBON DIOXIDE FROM THE
ATMOSPHERE AND RELEASE OXYGEN? IS THAT IS THAT THE PRINCIPAL COMPONENT IN CARBON SEQUESTRATION? YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER STINE, THAT IS EXACTLY IT. 
          OKAY. AND THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S A FANCY WAY OF SAYING PLANT MORE TREES. 
          OKAY. THOUGHT SO. 
          CLIMATE EQUITY. 
          THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUZZWORD THERE, AND I WANT KIND OF SOME PRACTICAL SENSE ON
THAT. 
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MY SENSE IS THERE IS A BELIEF THAT A PLAN LIKE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE DISPROPORTIONATE
IMPACTS AND THAT ARE IN LOWER SOCIO ECONOMIC GROUPS IN CARLSBAD, THEY MAY BE HIT HARDER THAN MORE AFFLUENT
GROUPS. 
          IS THAT THE GENERAL SENSE OF THIS, OR CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK SO MUCH THAT THE PLAN ITSELF WOULD HAVE DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS. 
          IT'S MORE THAT CLIMATE CHANGE HAS DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          HOW WOULD THAT BE, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEINGS AND THE HEALTH IMPACTS, REGARDLESS OF
YOUR AFFLUENT OR MODEST MEANS, SEEM TO BE THE SAME. 
          YEAH. I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME DATA SETS AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT SHOW THINGS LIKE
DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEALTH INDICATORS, FOR EXAMPLE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ONE SUCH DATABASE WOULD BE OH MAN, I'M BLANKING ON IT RIGHT NOW, AND I
DEFINITELY KNOW IT'S GOING TO COME TO ME IN LIKE FIVE MINUTES. 
          BUT DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEALTH INDICATORS OVERLAID WITH OTHER CENSUS DATA. 
          IT CAN SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE WITH LOWER ECONOMIC STATUS, PEOPLE WHO ENGLISH IS NOT THEIR
FIRST LANGUAGE, SENIORS, FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES, ET CETERA. 
          ET CETERA. THEY ARE OFTEN IMPACTED FIRST AND WORST IS A PHRASE THAT IS USED OFTEN BY THESE
EXTREME CLIMATE IMPACTS. OKAY, LET'S BREAK IT DOWN TO A SPECIFIC. 
          ONE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUILD UP OF GREENHOUSE GASES IS THAT IT PROMOTES WILDFIRES,
AND WILDFIRES THAT WE HAVE ARE GOING TO BE MORE INTENSE. 
          HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT IN TERMS OF CLIMATE EQUITY? BECAUSE IF THERE'S A WILDFIRE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ANYBODY IN THAT AREA AND THE SMOKE IS
GOING TO HAVE HEALTH EFFECTS, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY AND YOU'RE RIGHT IT WOULD IMPACT EVERYBODY. 
          SO FOR A WILDFIRE, AN EXAMPLE THAT I LIKE TO THINK OF IS, OKAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET
OUT OF THIS AREA OF DANGER, RIGHT? SOME FOLKS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A CAR. 
          THEY RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSIT. 
          AND IF OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT RUNNING HIGH FREQUENCY OR IT
TAKES A WHILE TO GET TO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT PUTS CERTAIN COMPONENTS OF OUR POPULATION AT, YOU
KNOW, A DISADVANTAGE VERSUS THOSE THAT OWN A CAR. 
          THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE. 
          OKAY. SO HOW QUICKLY YOU COULD GET OUT OF HARM'S WAY AND BASICALLY, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T OWN A VEHICLE MAYBE HAVE TO RELY UPON BUSSES OR OTHER
TRANSPORTATION, WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTRICATE THEMSELVES AS QUICKLY AS MORE AFFLUENT FOLKS WHO WOULD JUMP IN THEIR CAR AND LEAVE. 
          THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE. 
          YEAH. GOOD. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER? MR. COMMISSIONER HUBINGER. 
          THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, AND IT'S A VERY THOROUGH PLAN. 
          AND MY QUESTIONS ARE CENTERED AROUND THE IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON BUSINESS IN THE
COMMUNITY. 
          SO LET'S PLAY THIS OUT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, AND I'M A BUSINESS AND I COULD TAKE ANY ONE OF THE
SPECIFIC INITIATIVES AND I EITHER CAN'T MEET IT OR THERE'S SOME CONFLICT WITH MY BUSINESS. 
          HOW IS THAT RESOLVED? IS THIS IS THIS A CODE? THEN THAT WILL BE IT'LL BE BAKED INTO THE BUILDING CODES OR BE BAKED INTO THE THE, I
GUESS, THE LAWS OR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY. 
          AND AND THEN ARE THERE PUNITIVE MEASURES FOR IF PARTICULAR BUSINESSES CAN'T MEET THESE
TARGETS. 
          HOW WILL THAT WORK? YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE MEASURE TYPE CERTAINLY. 
          SO FOR ANY OF THOSE EXPANDED OR NEW MEASURES. 
          SO IN THAT SORT OF LAYOUT OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN A MEASURE I MENTIONED AT THE TOP, IT
WOULD SAY EXISTING, EXPANDED OR NEW. 
          SO ANY EXPANDED OR NEW MEASURE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE A NEW PROGRAM, A NEW POLICY,
A NEW INCENTIVE BASED PROGRAM. 
          IT RUNS THE GAMUT, REALLY, OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT IS A NEW ACTION IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING BACK TO DECISION
MAKING BODIES, ESPECIALLY THE CITY COUNCIL, WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS PROGRAM, THE OUTREACH ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROGRAM AND THINGS
LIKE THAT. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE EXACT COSTS TO EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, SOME OF THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET
BECAUSE WE 
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HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THEM SINCE THESE WOULD BE BRAND NEW POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT WOULD
BE TAKING PLACE. 
          DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES AND NO. SO WHERE I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS IS THAT IF I HAVE A BUSINESS AND
THERE'S THERE'S ALL THESE ENORMOUS REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE WE'RE PUSHING THE REQUIREMENTS ONTO BUSINESSES THAT MAY OR
MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, THAT THAT THEN IMPACTS THESE, THESE NUMBERS. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING
TO IMPLEMENT THEM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HELL OF A TIME HITTING THE TARGETS. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO THAT GOES TO THE TARGETS ALSO. 
          BUT BUT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT, THE CONFLICT WITH ECONOMIC FACTORS
THE COST TO BUSINESS AND HAVING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH TARGETS GOING OUT 10 YEARS AND 20
YEARS. 
          WE PRETEND TO KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HIT TARGETS. 
          THEY'RE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO HIT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. 
          AND THERE'S A THERE'S A HUMAN COST AND A BUSINESS COST TO THIS THAT I DIDN'T SEE REALLY
CALCULATED. 
          AND I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO CALCULATE IT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE LAWS OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH SOMETHING THIS IMPACTFUL. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LAY OUT THESE
TARGETS, THAT THEY'RE A SLAM DUNK BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT THE FARTHEST THING FROM ONE. 
          SO I'M PONTIFICATING A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S SORT OF MY CONCERN. 
          YOU LEAVE ROOM FOR THAT LATER TOO AS WELL. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR CLARIFYING FOR KATIE? ALRIGHTY. WE'LL OPEN FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY MINUTES. 
          CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY SLIPS FOR SPEAKERS? YES, VICE CHAIR WE HAVE SEVEN. 
          I'LL CALL THE FIRST THREE UP. 
          IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND LINE UP UNDER THE CLOCK. 
          MICHAEL MCMAHON, CRAIG BENEDETTO, MELANIE WOODS. 
          OKAY, BEFORE WE BEFORE WE START HERE, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND INDICATE THAT EACH SPEAKER
HAS THREE MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS TO HELP SPEAKERS STAY WITHIN THE TIME LIMIT, THE MINUTES CLERK WILL ACTIVATE A LIGHTED TIMER. 
          A GREEN LIGHT MEANS SPEAK. 
          YELLOW MEANS YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE TO REMAIN. 
          THE BLINKING RED LIGHT MEANS THAT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION. 
          AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED YOUR TESTIMONY FROM EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WILL ASK THE
APPROPRIATE PERSON TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS. 
          PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC AND CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          OKAY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE MCMAHON. 
          WE'RE LIVING IN EXTRAORDINARY TIMES FOR OUR CLIMATE. 
          LAST YEAR, 2023 HAS BEEN DECLARED THE WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD BY NOAA AND OTHER
GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. 
          THE TEN WARMEST YEARS SINCE RECORD KEEPING STARTED IN 1850 HAVE ALL OCCURRED IN THE PAST
DECADE, AS DECLARED BY OUR CITY. WE'RE IN A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, AND IT'S HERE NOW. 
          WHILE WE CAN'T IMMEDIATELY ACT ON A GLOBAL BASIS, WE CAN CERTAINLY ACT LOCALLY AS A CITY
TO REDUCE OUR OVERALL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          KATIE HENTRICH AND STAFF HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PRESENTING MEASURES AND STRATEGIES
SO WE CAN IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE, OF WHICH ALL NEED TO BE ENACTED IN ORDER TO MEET OUR GREENHOUSE GAS TARGETS IN
THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS. 
          THE MESSAGE HERE IS CLEAR. 
          WE NEED TO ACT ON ALL THE EXISTING AND EXPANDED AND NEW MEASURES IN THE CAP UPDATE TO
DECARBONIZE OUR BUILDINGS, OUR BUILDINGS ENERGY SOURCES AND OUR TRANSPORTATION AND GET THEM IN PLACE AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE. 
          WHILE PROJECTIONS TO 2035 SHOW US POSSIBLY MEETING GREENHOUSE TARGETS, THE SCALE OF
EFFORT TO MEET 2045 TARGET, AS STATED IN THE CAP WILL REQUIRE AN ACCELERATION OF THESE REDUCTIONS AND LIKELY COSTS. 
          SO LET'S DO ALL WE CAN NOW TO BUILD IN ALL MEASURES PRESENTED TO AVOID FUTURE SHORTFALLS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
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COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS CRAIG BENEDETTO. 
          I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING NAIOP SAN DIEGO. 
          OUR ORGANIZATION REPRESENTS THE BROAD SPECTRUM OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, INCLUDING BOTH
RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          OUR MEMBERS OWN AND OPERATE MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET OF PROPERTY IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY,
INCLUDING MUCH OF WHICH IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CARLSBAD. 
          I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE, A
LETTER COALITION LETTER WAS SUBMITTED FOR YOUR PACKET WITH SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS. 
          WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS. 
          WE HAVE SUBMITTED COMMENT LETTERS BEFORE, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR INPUT WAS IGNORED. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR INDUSTRY INVESTS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO COMPLY WITH YOUR
EXISTING CLIMATE ACTION PLANS, AS WELL AS THE STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT STAFF NOTED. UNDER THE CURRENT CAP AND THE ONGOING INCREASES IN THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS, YOU
WILL MORE THAN MEET THE TARGET SET IN 2035, AND YOU WILL MOSTLY MEET THEM IN 2045. WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? IN THESE UNCERTAIN AND DIFFICULT ECONOMIC TIMES ADDING MORE REQUIREMENTS WILL ONLY MAKE
RENTING OF BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL SPACE MORE DIFFICULT AND MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          THE STATE IS ALSO ALREADY TO ALREADY TO UPDATE ITS NEXT BUILDING CODE, ITS TRIENNIAL
PROCESS, WHICH PROMISES AN EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVE ACTION ON ENERGY CONSERVATION AND GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          YOU SHOULD ADD A MINIMUM DELAY ANY ACTION TO UPDATE YOUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UNTIL THAT
IS COMPLETED, SO YOU CAN PUT THAT INTO YOUR PROCESS. 
          ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED DRAFT PLAN IS THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE OR
BUDGET REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS. 
          DEPENDING ON HOW THAT'S CONSTRUCTED, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED AN ELECTRIFICATION MANDATE
UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME. 
          AS OUR LETTER STATES, AND UNDER RECENT APPELLATE COURT DECISIONS, CITIES CANNOT MANDATE
THIS ACTION. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GHG SAVINGS FROM THIS ACTION, THEY ARE DE MINIMIS AND THEY WILL
NOT REALLY HELP YOU MEET YOUR. 
          YOUR TARGETS. SO WE'D RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THESE BE REMOVED FROM THE CAP UPDATE. 
          THE CITY COULD THEN FOCUS ON LEADING BY EXAMPLE, WORKING ON ITS OWN. 
          OPERATIONS AND ITS OWN BUILDINGS TO SHOW RESIDENTS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL WHAT
CAN BE DONE. 
          THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE. 
          AND THEN STAFF CAN WORK WITH OUR MEMBERS, YOUR BUSINESSES, YOUR JOBS CREATORS TO COME UP
WITH INCENTIVES AND WAYS TO HELP GO BEYOND WHAT THE CITY AND THE STATE ARE ALREADY DOING. AS I NOTED, WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF ADDITIONAL SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT WERE
INCORPORATED INTO OUR COALITION LETTER. 
          WE HOPE YOU TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU ASK STAFF TO TAKE THEM INTO
CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY BRING FORWARD THEIR ACTION PLAN. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND SERVICE TO THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY. 
          I'M MELANIE WOODS, VICE PRESIDENT AT THE CALIFORNIA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. 
          CAA IS A STATEWIDE NONPROFIT TRADE ASSOCIATION SERVING RENTAL HOUSING OWNERS, OPERATORS,
AND PROVIDERS. 
          WE REPRESENT NEARLY 5000 MEMBERS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY WHO WHO PROVIDE HOMES TO NEARLY
65,000 LOCAL FAMILIES. 
          WE'RE ALSO HERE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH A LARGER COALITION OF BUSINESS STAKEHOLDERS WHO
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM. 
          I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG CONCERN WITH THE PROPOSED CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE LACKS DETAIL ON EXACTLY HOW NEW GOALS WILL BE ACHIEVED,
AND MASKS THE TRUE COSTS AND CHALLENGES WITH IMPLEMENTING THESE NEW STANDARDS. 
          AS STAFF MENTIONED, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW THE TRUE COST TO BUSINESS AND THEREFORE THE
FEASIBILITY OF THESE MEASURES BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WE REQUEST THAT YOU CONDUCT AN IN-DEPTH COST ANALYSIS ON THE PROPOSED PLAN. 
          THE CITY DID A FULL ANALYSIS OF THEIR OWN COSTS TO IMPLEMENT THESE REQUIREMENTS, BUT
LACKED A FULL ANALYSIS FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE PRIVATE PARTIES WHO WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THESE GUIDELINES. 
          THE POTENTIAL REQUIREMENTS ARE INCREDIBLY COSTLY INVESTMENTS THAT WILL LEAD TO A HIGHER
COST OF HOUSING IN THE NEAR AND MID-TERM. 
          THESE STANDARDS ARE YOUR STANDARDS ARE ALREADY INCREDIBLY ONEROUS, MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO BUILD AND OPERATE HOMES IN THE CITY. 
          NEXT SPECIFICALLY, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT YOUR GOALS AROUND DECARBONIZATION OF NEW AND
EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S UNCLEAR HOW THESE NEW PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WOULD BE MET WITHOUT AN ELECTRIFICATION
MANDATE. 
          AND AS CRAIG MENTIONED, THE CITY IS ON IS NOT ON STURDY LEGAL GROUND TO SET REQUIREMENTS
THAT WOULD BE A DE FACTO BAN ON NATURAL GAS. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT DECARBONIZATION OF BUILDINGS IS INCENTIVE BASED RATHER
THAN THROUGH A COSTLY MANDATE, AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU ON A MORE REASONABLE PLAN THAT WILL HELP ACHIEVE CLIMATE GOALS WITHOUT THE
COSTLY, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND EXORBITANT COSTS TO BUSINESSES. 
          PLEASE RECONSIDER MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE PROCESS TODAY. 
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THANK YOU. THE NEXT THREE SPEAKERS ARE CHRIS CATE, DIANE NYGAARD, AND LINDA DANIELS. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS CHRIS CATE, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION OF SAN
DIEGO COUNTY. 
          I WANT TO FIRST THANK STAFF FOR THE TIME THEY'VE TAKEN TO MEET WITH US AND HEAR OUR
CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE RAISED TODAY. 
          BUT AS WE'VE MENTIONED, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANYWHERE WITH OUR CONCERNS. 
          I WANT TO REITERATE AND REINFORCE THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE PREVIOUS
SPEAKERS. 
          WE ARE PART OF THE COALITION THAT HAS SUBMITTED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS TO STAFF DURING THE
COURSE OF DEVELOPING THIS UPDATE, AND I WANT TO TOUCH ON THREE POINTS TONIGHT. 
          OUR NATURAL CONCERN IS THAT ANY ADDITIONAL REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT INCREASE THE COST
OF HOUSING PRODUCTION WILL ONLY CONTINUE OR TO EXACERBATE OUR CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS. 
          THE AVERAGE COST OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN SAN DIEGO HAS NOW SURPASSED $1 MILLION. 
          ANY ADDITIONAL REGULATORY COSTS THAT WILL BE PLACED ON HOMEBUILDERS WILL ONLY BE ADDED
ONTO THOSE CONSUMERS WHO ALREADY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE AND PURCHASE A HOME IN SAN DIEGO. 
          THERE ARE ALREADY EFFORTS UNDERWAY FROM STATE OFFICIALS TO UPDATE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS
TO MEET TARGETS. 
          INSTEAD OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, THE CITY SHOULD WAIT
FOR THE COMPLETION OF THESE CODE UPDATES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON GHG REDUCTIONS. AS STAFF MOVE FORWARD MOVES FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTATION, WE BELIEVE IT'S
IMPERATIVE THAT STAFF WORK WITH OUR COALITION TO ENSURE THAT THESE MEASURES DO NOT RESULT IN MAKING HOUSING EVEN MORE UNATTAINABLE TO SAN DIEGANS. 
          WE KNOW, AND STAFF HAS ACKNOWLEDGED, THAT TRANSPORTATION IS A LEADING SOURCE OF GHG
EMISSIONS. 
          WE ALSO KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF OUR HOUSING CRISIS, COMMUTERS ARE TRAVELING FROM OUTSIDE THE
CITY AND EVEN OUTSIDE THE COUNTY, FURTHER EXACERBATING GHG EMISSIONS. 
          THE SIMPLE SOLUTION IS TO SIMPLY ALLOW FOR MORE HOMES TO BE BUILT TO MEET THE NEEDS OF
THOSE WORKING IN THE CITY. 
          LASTLY, BEFORE ANY ACTIONS ARE TAKEN, WE BELIEVE IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE CITY
UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE. 
          THIS MEANS DEVELOPING A COST IMPACT ANALYSIS OF BOTH THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM IMPACTS
TO THOSE THAT WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE NEW REGULATIONS. 
          WE BELIEVE IT'S SHORTSIGHTED TO MERELY ASSUME THAT ANY POLICY DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE
WILL GENERATE COST SAVINGS IN THE END SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS DIANE NYGAARD REPRESENTING PRESERVE CALAVERA. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CARLSBAD CAP SINCE BEFORE THERE WAS A CAP IN CARLSBAD
EVEN LONGER THAN KATIE. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH HOW THE PLAN HAS EVOLVED AND IMPROVED OVER THE YEARS,
ESPECIALLY NOW THAT YOU HAVE A FULL TIME CAP ADMINISTRATOR. 
          BUT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND WE CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE 493, IN THAT VERY THICK STAFF REPORT, BECAUSE THAT'S
WHERE OUR COMMENT LETTER STARTS. 
          AND WE INCLUDE LOTS OF DETAILED COMMENTS THAT WILL HELP MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          WE NOTE THAT THE 2045 TARGET IS EXCEEDED BY ONLY 6000 METRIC TONS. 
          THAT IS A MINUSCULE AMOUNT COMPARED TO THE 981,000 METRIC TONS OF EMISSIONS GENERATED, A
MINUSCULE IMPROVEMENT ABOVE THE TARGET. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT ASSUMES THAT THE STATE IS MEETING ALL OF THEIR TARGETS. 
          THE CURRENT RATE OF EV DEPLOYMENT IN CALIFORNIA IS WAY BELOW WHAT WAS PROJECTED FOR THIS
TIME PERIOD. 
          MANY OF THE MANUFACTURERS ARE CUTTING BACK ON THAT, SO WE CAN'T RELY ON OTHER PEOPLE TO
DO THEIR JOB. 
          WE ALL HAVE TO DO OUR FAIR SHARE TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THREE AREAS WHERE WE THINK WE ASK YOU TO FOCUS IMPROVEMENTS ON. 
          THE FIRST IS ON BENCHMARKS, ESPECIALLY THINGS LIKE COMPLETING PLANS THAT THE CITY IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          ONE OF THOSE WAS THE PARKING STUDIES FOR THE VILLAGE AND THE BARRIO. 
          THOSE DRAFTS HAVE JUST BEEN RELEASED THIS LAST MONTH. 
          CERTAINLY, THERE COULD BE A BENCHMARK TO SET A DATE FOR COMPLETING THOSE STUDIES AND THEN
SAY A YEAR AFTER THAT TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN ACTION PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THEM. 
          THOSE THINGS IMPROVE THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND ASSURANCES THAT TARGETS CAN BE MET. 
          WE ALSO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT HOW THE CITY CAN SET AN EXAMPLE AND BE AN EARLY ADOPTER ON
MANY OF THESE ITEMS. MANY OF THOSE ACTIONS, GOOD ACTIONS, ARE INCLUDED FOR THE CITY, BUT THEY DON'T KICK IN
UNTIL 2030 OR EVEN LATER. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEST SOME OF THESE THINGS, TO SEE WHAT WORKS, TO COME UP WITH
SOME GOOD BEST PRACTICES, AND TO MAYBE SAVE BUSINESSES SOME MONEY AS THEY GO THROUGH THE SAME PATH. AND THIRD, TO REALLY LOOK AT OUR BASELINE MODE SPLIT DATA. 
          THIS IS CRITICAL TO IMPACTING THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR OVER 50% OF THE GREENHOUSE
EMISSIONS COME FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. 
          HOW PEOPLE TRAVEL MATTERS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT GOOD BASELINE DATA. 
          THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING FOR OVER THREE YEARS ON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR ALL MODES OF
TRANSPORTATION. 
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THEY'RE STILL IN PLANNING. 
          THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET. 
          THOSE ARE CRITICAL. 
          WE NEED BASELINE DATA TO REALLY MEASURE HOW WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT. 
          AND LASTLY, I'M GOING TO JUST SAY THAT WE APPRECIATE THAT CARLSBAD ADOPTED A DECLARATION
OF CLIMATE EMERGENCY IN 2021. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA DANIELS. 
          I LIVED IN CARLSBAD FOR 11 YEARS. 
          I HAVE FULLY ELECTRIFIED MY HOME AND I DRIVE AN ELECTRIC CAR. 
          SO YOU MIGHT SAY I WALK THE TALK. 
          I AM A MEMBER AND REPRESENTING THE SIERRA CLUB AS WELL AS THE SAN DIEGO BUILDING
ELECTRIFICATION COALITION, AND I AM REPRESENTING CARLSBAD WITH THE CAC ON THE CEA COMMUNITY ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR OUR CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE. 
          PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY DON'T USE ACRONYMS. WELL THIS LONG WORDS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN SAVING OUR PLANET. 
          I GOT RID OF A COUPLE OF OTHER GROUPS I WAS WORKING WITH, HAVING TO DO WITH ANIMALS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE JUST SO I COULD FOCUS ON JUST SAVING THE PLANET. 
          THAT'S HOW CONCERNED I AM ABOUT IT. 
          WE'RE IN A CLIMATE CRISIS, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT DESPITE THE CLIMATE DENIERS WON'T
WORK. 
          THE SOONER WE ACT, THE BETTER OUR CHANCES ARE OF REDUCING AND CURBING GREENHOUSE GASES. 
          THE NEW CAP IS REALLY WELL DONE BY KATIE. 
          SHE HAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS SMALL THINGS LIKE LEAF BLOWERS AND
BIG THINGS LIKE ELECTRIFICATION OF MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE HERE IN CARLSBAD AND SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE TO OTHER CITIES. 
          LET'S MAKE THIS CAP A REALITY, OKAY? CEA HAS A PLAN CALLED SOLAR PLUS. 
          HAVE YOU ALL HEARD OF SOLAR PLUS? OKAY. WE ARE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH POWER OF AUTHORITY GRANT WITH TESLA, AND WE WILL
INSTALL SOLAR ON ANYBODY'S ROOF, HAVE TO INSPECT THE ROOF TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION AND INSTALL
SOLAR AT ABSOLUTELY NO CHARGE DOESN'T DEPEND UPON SOMEBODY'S CREDIT OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          THAT MY FRIEND, WAS ONE OF THE FIRST EIGHT TO DO IT THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          HE HAS A BEAUTIFUL HOME IN CARLSBAD AND NOW HE HAS SOLAR, SO NOW HE CAN BUY AN ELECTRIC
CAR AND PUT A CAR CHARGER IN. 
          OKAY, SO HE'S VERY EXCITED. 
          SO THE ONLY THING HE HAD TO DO WAS POWER WASH HIS ROOF. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING WAS FINE. 
          SO TESLA COMES OUT, MAKES AN INSPECTION OF YOUR ROOF, SAYS, OH, IT'S FINE. 
          AND THEN THEY TALK WITH YOU, LOOKING AT YOUR PHONE BILLS AND THEY DO THIS SOLAR PLUS GO
ON THE CEA WEBSITE AND GET FREE SOLAR FOR YOURSELF. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'RE CHARGED IS FOR THE TESLA BATTERY THAT TESLA PUTS INTO THE
GARAGE TO CAPTURE ALL THE ENERGY THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM THE SUN. 
          OKAY. AND THAT'S $115 A MONTH. 
          THAT'S ALL THAT THEY PAY IS $115 A MONTH, AND THEY'VE GOT SOLAR ON THEIR ROOF TO TAKE
CARE OF ALL THEIR NEEDS. 
          SO PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD SOLAR PLUS IS WHERE IT'S GOING. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AND I'M HERE TO SAVE THE PLANET. 
          THANK YOU, MISS DANIELS. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LAUREN CASARES AND PAUL KLUCAS. 
          GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. 
          MY NAME IS LAUREN CASARES, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE SAN DIEGO REGIONAL CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE. 
          AND OUR OVER 300 OR OVER 2200 MEMBER BUSINESSES AND 300,000 JOBS REGIONALLY. 
          OUR MISSION IS TO MAKE SAN DIEGO THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK. 
          I WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING CARLSBAD'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ADMINISTRATOR, KATIE HENTRICH,
FOR HER ONGOING OUTREACH TO BUSINESS STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE CHAMBER. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF BALANCING ENVIRONMENTAL,
ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY INTERESTS. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HUBINGER, I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          THE CHAMBER USES A FRAMEWORK TO REVIEW CLIMATE ACTION PLANS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY OF SAN
DIEGO, WHICH INCLUDES GENERAL SUPPORT FOR CREATING INCENTIVE AND TRADING PROGRAMS, ENCOURAGEMENT OF COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITH PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          THE NECESSITY THAT POLICIES ARE RARELY MANDATED. 
          COMMITMENT TO ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY, MUNICIPAL DEMONSTRATION AND REQUIREMENT OF COST
BENEFIT ANALYZES. 
          WITH THAT IN MIND, THE CHAMBER HAS A FEW MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN
UPDATE AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED. 
          WE BELIEVE THE DRAFT LACKS SUFFICIENT DETAIL ON IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES, ESPECIALLY
REGARDING BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION BENCHMARKING, WHICH COULD OBSCURE THE TRUE COST AND CHALLENGES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, AND FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WAYS BUSINESSES ARE ALREADY
CONTRIBUTING TO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS IN CARLSBAD. 
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WE STRONGLY, WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD FOCUS ON INCENTIVE PROGRAMS RATHER THAN
MANDATES, AND TO ENCOURAGE FURTHER GHG REDUCTION BY BUSINESSES. 
          THE DRAFT IS ALSO MISSING A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR THE PROPOSED PRIVATE SECTOR
REQUIREMENTS. 
          BECAUSE BUSINESS BECAUSE BUSINESSES ASSESS INVESTMENTS OVER A SHORTER PERIOD THAN THE
CITY'S LONG TERM PROJECTIONS, THERE IS A REAL POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED COSTS FOR GOODS, SERVICES AND HOUSING ASSOCIATED WITH THESE MANDATES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, IT IS UNCLEAR HOW THE CITY IS FOCUSING ON INCREASING GRID CAPACITY TO MEET
ANY OF THESE STATED GOALS. 
          WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT YOUR CITY WILL ALREADY MEET THE STATE REQUIRED CLIMATE TARGETS BY
2035, WITH THE CURRENT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN MEASURES AND REQUESTS THAT ANY ADDITIONAL MANDATES AND THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACTS BE STUDIED BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS THEM. 
          THE CHAMBER ASKED THAT THE CAP UPDATE BE REWRITTEN TO MORE NARROWLY BE FOCUSED ON
INCENTIVES, COST BENEFIT ANALYZES, AND ALIGNING THE CITY WITH EXISTING STATE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AS ALWAYS, THE CHAMBER IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS OUR CONCERNS WITH STAFF, PLANNING
COMMISSIONERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS IN MORE DETAIL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS PAUL KLUKAS. 
          I'M A PLANNER WITH PLANNING SYSTEMS. OUR ADDRESS IS 1530 FARADAY, SUITE 100 IN CARLSBAD. 
          I'M HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER OWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          WE'VE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED CAP REPORT, BUT THE CITY HAS NOT ANALYZED THE COST OF
BUSINESSES THAT THESE NEW REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO CAUSE. THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          THE CRC IS A PREMIER RESEARCH BUSINESS PARK IN CARLSBAD LARGE LOTS, LARGE BUILDINGS. 
          BUT THE CRC IS FINDING THAT THE CAP REGULATIONS DISCOURAGE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AND UPKEEP
TO OUR BUILDINGS IN THE CENTER, AND WE FEAR THIS IS ONLY GOING TO GET MORE COSTLY AND MORE DIFFICULT. 
          VIRTUALLY ALL TENANT IMPROVEMENTS IN EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE CRC ARE APPRAISED IN
EXCESS OF $200,000 LIMIT, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OF SOLAR PANELS AND TRANSPORTATION DEMAND, THAT'S WHERE THEY
KICK IN AT THE $200,000, THE COST OF THE ADDED EXPENSE OF THE SOLAR AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS FREQUENTLY IT DISCOURAGES THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          TYPICALLY, CRC BUILDING OWNERS REQUEST TENANT IMPROVEMENTS IN ORDER TO UPGRADE A VACANT
BUILDING OR A VACANT FLOOR IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING AND ATTRACT A HIGHER QUALITY TENANT. 
          GETTING HIT WITH A COSTLY SOLAR PANEL REQUIREMENTS, OR PREPARING A TDM PLAN WITHOUT
SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE TENANT OR THEIR OPERATING PROCEDURES, IS LARGELY GUESSWORK AND MOST LIKELY TO BE INACCURATE. 
          THE CRC OWNER'S ASSOCIATION OPINION IS THAT IS, THAT RECONFIGURATION OF FLOOR AREA OR
OFFICE SPACES DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY DENOTE THAT THE PROJECT WILL RESULT IN INCREASED CAP EMISSIONS. 
          SO THIS LACK OF ACCURATE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE CAP ANALYSIS AND RESULTING CONDITIONS ARE
LIKELY TO BE ERRONEOUS. 
          AND SOME TENANT IMPROVEMENTS INVOLVE SIMPLY REARRANGING OR EVEN REDUCING THE INTENSITY OF
THE SAME USES. 
          SO WE THINK THAT THE CITY COULD CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH TO THE TO THE LOW TENANT
IMPROVEMENT VALUATION LIMITS, SUCH AS A CHANGE IN INTENSITY OF USE OR PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE OF FLOOR AREA OF A BUILDING. 
          IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THESE FACTORS MORE DIRECTLY ALIGN WITH THE TENANTS ULTIMATE
CONTRIBUTION TO ENERGY DEMAND AND COMMUTER AND AND COMMUTER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS THAN THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WE ALREADY FIND OURSELVES IN AN INFLATIONARY FINANCING AND CONSTRUCTION CLIMATE. 
          AND WE HAVE THE NEW STATE BUILDING CODES COMING UP. 
          WE KNOW THE NEW CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE, RESULT IN HIGHER RENTS AND
PERHAPS MOVE INVESTMENT TO OTHER CITIES. 
          SO WE'RE HOPEFUL YOU'LL CONSIDER OUR COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CLERK ANY FURTHER? THAT WAS THE LAST SPEAKER. THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE. COMMISSIONERS DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT
BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER MERTZ? YEAH. 
          SO THE THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SO IT'S INTERESTING WE HAVE THE NAIOP BUILDING, THE BIA, THE SAN DIEGO REGIONAL CHAMBER,
AND THEN ALSO THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER OWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          COMMON THREAD SEEMED TO BE THAT ONE OF PUSHING, YOU KNOW, MANDATES VERSUS INCENTIVES AND
ALSO TO UNCERTAINTY OF COST AND WHAT THAT WILL DO TO OVERALL HOUSING INTO LIKE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL TENANTS. 
          DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THOSE THOUGHTS OR COULD YOU, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE
ANYTHING TO SAY OR ANY RESPONSE TO THOSE? 
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YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, I CAN SAY A LITTLE BIT AND I KNOW THAT THOSE GROUPS HAVE THEY'VE PROBABLY HEARD
EXACTLY WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY AND THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          BUT SO YEAH, THE ENERGY RELATED MEASURES THAT WE HAVE IN THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN
UPDATE, THERE'S A MIX OF EXISTING VERSUS EXPANDED VERSUS NEW MEASURES SO EXISTING FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE OUR EXISTING
BUILDING CODE. 
          IN 2019 WE ADOPTED THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY BUILDING CODE PACKAGE THAT INCLUDED SOME OF THE
REQUIREMENTS THAT OUR LAST SPEAKER WAS REFERENCING. 
          SO THAT'S TWO MEASURES IN THE THAT IMPACT BUILDINGS IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          SO UNCHANGED FROM 2019, THAT WOULD JUST BE DOING WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. 
          THE EXPANDED MEASURES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED INCLUDE A PROPOSED UPDATE TO OUR BUILDING
CODE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HEARD SEVERAL OF THE LETTERS TOUCHING ON. 
          SO THE PACKAGE OF PROPOSED MEASURES THAT WE SHARED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023 HAD A PROPOSED
REACH CODE UPDATE AS A SUPPORTING MEASURE. 
          YOU HEARD ME REFERENCE THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE COMMENTS TO ADD IN MORE MEASURES. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THREE MEASURES THAT WE ADDED IN, SO EXPANDED BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY, YOU
KNOW, IMPLEMENTING AN REACH CODE OF SOME KIND. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE EXPANDING THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE MEASURES THAT ARE COMPLETELY NEW POLICIES OR PROGRAMS. ONE IS DECARBONIZING EXISTING BUILDINGS, AND THAT IS A COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY MEASURE. 
          IT WOULD BE INCENTIVES, IT WOULD BE PILOT PROGRAMS, IT WOULD BE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS
AT SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE, JUST PUSHING CUSTOMER PROGRAMS, WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE A BUILDING ENERGY BENCHMARKING REQUIREMENT. 
          THIS WOULD BE MIRRORING EXACTLY WHAT THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT IS FOR BUILDING ENERGY
BENCHMARKING. 
          SO SAME BUILDING SIZE THRESHOLD EVERYTHING. 
          BUT INSTEAD OF REPORTING TO THE STATE, YOU WOULD BE REPORTING TO THE CITY. 
          SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE EXISTING CITY OF SAN DIEGO BENCHMARKING PROGRAM, NOT THE
UPDATE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING INTO, IT WOULD FUNCTION A LOT LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'D BE USING BUILDING ENERGY STAR AS THE PLATFORM
FOR REPORTING, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE IMPLEMENTING A STATE REQUIREMENT LOCALLY SO WE COULD CLAIM THOSE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS. 
          DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? KATIE, I HAVE A REAL QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO IN REGARD TO THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, FOR PROBABLY MORE FROM THE
STANDPOINT OF OF MANDATES AND OR INFLUENCING THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN PUBLIC AGENCIES OR OUR
AGENCY SPECIFICALLY, COULD YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS HAS ARE THERE PLANS IN REGARD
TO THAT ON ANY TYPE OF MANDATES OR INCENTIVES THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE WITHIN THIS PROGRAM? YEAH, HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT. 
          SO I'LL START WITH SAYING THAT WE DID DO A COST ANALYSIS AND IT WAS REFERENCED IN SOME OF
THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT IT JUST LOOKS AT CITY OPERATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S OUR IMPLEMENTATION COST ANALYSIS. 
          ONE OF THE APPENDICES IN THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE I WANT TO SAY IT'S APPENDIX
E, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          SO CHECK THE TABLE OF CONTENTS. 
          BUT YEAH, SO THAT JUST LOOKS AT CITY COSTS FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF IMPLEMENTATION. 
          THE BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD LOOK AT COSTS TO STAKEHOLDERS, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT THAT WASN'T SCOPED AS PART OF THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. 
          IT WASN'T PART OF THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN JUNE OF 2021, I BELIEVE IT
WAS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE NICA. 
          BUT I KNOW I MENTIONED IT BEFORE FOR ANY OF THESE NEW POLICIES AND PROGRAMS, THE COST
ANALYSIS WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING AS SUBSTANTIAL AS A BUILDING CODE UPDATE. 
          IT'S REQUIRED WHEN YOU FILE IT WITH THE CEC AND CPUC. 
          SO WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE DOING ONE. 
          HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION IN REGARD TO COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR THESE MANDATES ON
PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND BUSINESS? WITHIN THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE? NOTHING BEYOND. 
          ARE THERE PLANS TO DO SO? THE ARE THERE PLANS TO DO ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN DIRECTED BY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER STINE. 
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FOLLOWING UP ON THE CHAIR'S QUESTIONS. 
          AS I UNDERSTAND FROM LISTENING TO OUR SPEAKERS, FIVE WERE FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          THE THEME I EXTRACTED FROM THEIR COMMENTS WAS GO SLOW HERE BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE SOME MAJOR
ECONOMIC IMPACTS ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND THAT WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED. 
          AND YOU INDICATED IN RESPONSE TO OUR CHAIR'S QUESTIONS THAT WHILE WE HAVE DONE A COST
IMPACT FOR THE CITY, WE HAVE NOT DONE IT FOR THE BROADER BUSINESS COMMUNITY, HOUSING COMMUNITY, OTHER COMMUNITIES
BECAUSE IT WASN'T WITHIN THE SCOPE. 
          QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, ANTICIPATE BETWEEN NOW AND SOMEWHERE DOWN THE
ROAD WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE PROVISIONS TO ACHIEVE OUR TARGETS, THAT THERE WOULD
BE SUCH A STUDY THAT WOULD BE COMING BEFORE PERHAPS THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CERTAINLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO THAT LATER ON IN THE PROCESS? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. 
          THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THAT AND, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE THE NECESSARY BUDGET FOR THAT, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY PREPARE THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS. 
          AND I KNOW YOU WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, AS THINGS WERE BEING IMPLEMENTED, IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE COULD PREPARE AS SOON AS DIRECTED. 
          OKAY. SO I UNDERSTAND STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO DIRECTION ON THAT. 
          DIDN'T BUDGET FOR IT, BUT STAFF WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED IF THE COUNCIL GAVE THE DIRECTION TO
DOING THAT TYPE OF STUDY. 
          SO WE KNOW HAVE A BETTER GAUGE ON THE IMPACT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          YES. OKAY. 
          THAT'S. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DANNA. 
          THANK YOU. YES. JUST TO I GUESS FOR MY INFORMATION WITH WITH THE CONCERNS WITH INCREASED
COSTS OF CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT WITH REACH CODES AS THEY'RE DESCRIBED HERE. 
          IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE REACH CODES HAVE SOME SORT OF COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS
THAT , AND CAN YOU KIND OF GO OVER THAT AND EXPLAIN IT? YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          YES. THERE IS A COST EFFECTIVENESS STUDY THAT'S REQUIRED WHEN YOU'RE DOING THOSE TYPES OF
UPDATES. 
          WE USED THE COST EFFECTIVENESS STUDY FROM 2019 WHEN WE WERE DOING SOME OF THE
CALCULATIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS FOR THOSE BUILDING RELATED MEASURES. 
          SO IF THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE MEASURES STILL
INTACT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PREPARE AS PART OF THAT. SO TO FOLLOW UP. 
          SO WHEN THESE REACH CODES COME TO, SAY, THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION THEY WOULD NEED TO
SHOW THAT THESE NEW MEASURES WOULD HAVE TO MEET THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS STANDARD THAT IS SET. 
          IS IT SET SET BY THE STATE? YEAH I BELIEVE IT'S THE CEC OR THE CPUC. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH ENTITY? OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY. DID I DID I CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY? I DON'T THINK I DID. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DID. OH MY GOSH. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          COMMISSIONER, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          AND JUST SO I MEAN, WE'RE RECEIVING THE REPORT AND IT'S COMING UP AGAIN IN OCTOBER, SO I'M
JUST I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE BIT I FEEL A LITTLE BIT FUZZY TO SAY WE'RE RECEIVING REPORT WE'RE DOING TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OCTOBER. 
          COULD YOU KIND OF COVER THAT AGAIN? SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE NOW VERSUS IN OCTOBER AND THIS COMES BACK MR. LARDY. YES. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          SO THIS IS TO RECEIVE THE REPORT. 
          IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S A
HIGHLY TECHNICAL ITEM. 
          IT ALSO IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO START VOICING CONCERNS, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
RELATED TO THAT. 
          THE ACTION THAT'S TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE OCTOBER 2ND WILL BE THE FORMAL
RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, AND THERE WILL BE SEVERAL RESOLUTIONS ATTACHED TO THAT REPORT, WHICH THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER AND, IF IT DESIRES, TAKE
ACTION ON THEM. 
          THAT ALSO COULD BE A TIME WHERE THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL
ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, SO NO SPECIFIC ACTION IS NEEDED TONIGHT. AND I'D RECOMMEND THAT ANY ACTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE SAVE IT FOR THAT
FORMAL RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO IT'LL BE EASIER FOR STAFF AND THE COUNCIL TO TO EVALUATE THAT ULTIMATELY WHEN IT GETS
TO THEM. 
          OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. 
          SO YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE TECHNICAL NATURE AND THE SIZE OF THE REPORT, IT'S
JUST NICE TO RECEIVE IT. 
          HERE ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN I GUESS ABSORB IT FOR, YOU KNOW, UNTIL OUR NEXT
MEETING. 
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THEN WE CAN MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS REGARDING OR QUESTIONS REGARDING AND THAT THAT
OCTOBER MEANS WE ACTUALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON IT THEN? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          AND SIMILAR TO THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, HOUSING ELEMENT REZONE, YOU ARE MAKING A
RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          ARE WE IN DISCUSSION? NO. UNLESS YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF, YOU CAN HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. 
          NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. ARE WE CLOSING OFF? I WILL IF THERE'S ANY. 
          NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. I ASSUME THERE WASN'T. 
          SO COMMISSIONER DANNA. 
          I'M SORRY. CAN I SNEAK IN ONE LAST QUESTION? SURE. AS FAR AS THE OFF ROAD EQUIPMENT SECTION WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO INCLUDING
ALL LAWN EQUIPMENT OR JUST THE LEAF BLOWER BAN? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD HEARD SINCE I STARTED MY POSITION HERE WERE PRIMARILY
FOCUSED ON LEAF BLOWERS, SO I THINK THAT'S HOW THE MEASURE KIND OF ENDED UP JUST FOCUSING ON LEAF BLOWERS. 
          IT'S NOT A VERY SCIENTIFIC ANSWER, BUT IT'S KIND OF HOW IT HAPPENED. 
          THANK YOU. THAT PROMPTED A THOUGHT THAT I HAPPEN TO HAVE AS WELL, A QUESTION FOR YOU IN
REGARD TO YOU. 
          AND I NOTICED THE COMMENTS IN HERE ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AS TO THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACT OF ARTIFICIAL TURF? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU HAVE SEEN SOMEWHERE DEEP IN THAT STAFF REPORT, I DON'T
REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT PAGE IT COVERS, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRODUCTION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF, LIKE MAKING IT EXTRACTING IT
THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, A LOCAL JURISDICTION CLIMATE ACTION PLAN DOESN'T GET TO TAKE ANY CREDIT
FOR THOSE SORTS OF CONSUMPTION OR PRODUCTION RELATED EMISSIONS. 
          SO WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THINGS WITHIN OUR BOUNDS THAT WE HAVE INFLUENCE OVER. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I REFERENCED THOSE COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF THEM BEING
ARTIFICIAL TURF WE LOOKED INTO IT BEFORE WE LOOKED INTO IT A SECOND TIME. AND SINCE THE REDUCTIONS THAT THE CITY CAN CLAIM ARE QUITE LOW, SINCE WE'RE NOT
ABLE TO CLAIM SORT OF THE PRODUCTION AND ALL THAT SIDE OF IT, AND THE COST WAS QUITE HIGH IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY PENCIL OUT. 
          SO LET ME ASK YOU A SECONDARY QUESTION. 
          SO WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF, LET'S SAY I CHOSE TO RIP OUT MY LAWN, PUT ARTIFICIAL TURF IN MY
YARD FOR THE ENSUING YEARS THEREAFTER HAVING THIS IN MY YARD WITH THE SUN BEATING ON IT EACH
AND EVERY DAY. 
          IS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WHATSOEVER, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IT EMITTING
SOMETHING OF SOME NATURE INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? IF THERE IS, IT'S QUITE MINUSCULE. 
          I THINK THE CONCERNS ARE LARGELY PUBLIC HEALTH RELATED. 
          THE MATERIALS USED IN ARTIFICIAL TURF, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR YOUNGER POPULATION OUT THERE
PLAYING ON FIELDS, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT REFLECTED IN THE COMMENT LETTERS. AND AGAIN, THE EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRODUCTION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF
VERSUS IF YOU JUST HAVE GRASS GOING BACK TO THAT CARBON SEQUESTRATION FANCY WORD. 
          THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF KATIE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME BEFORE WE GET INTO
COMMISSION DISCUSSION? OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN IT FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER HUBINGER. 
          SO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          WE USED TO LOOK AT PROJECTS, RIGHT, IN A WAY THAT YOU COULD DO THE WRONG THING, RIGHT,
YOU COULD DO THE, THE, THE RIGHT THING WRONG, OR YOU COULD DO THE RIGHT THING RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS IS, IS I THINK EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING,
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A NOBLE GOAL AND I THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE GOAL. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO ADDING ON REGULATIONS AND MORE HOOPS FOR BUSINESS TO GO THROUGH, IT
ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE IT'S INCREMENTAL. 
          BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S A BASELINE OF THORNY REGULATIONS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW THAT
WHEN YOU ADD MORE AND MORE AND MORE, YOU MAKE IT SO CUMBERSOME AND SO ONEROUS FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT
THEY STRUGGLE TO ACTUALLY 
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IMPLEMENT THEM AND IT ACTUALLY PUTS YOUR PLAN IN JEOPARDY. 
          SO JUST MY MY, MY STRONG FEELING ON THIS IS THAT THIS IS MISSING AN IMPORTANT HALF OF THE, OF THE ANALYSIS. 
          AND THAT IS THERE'S A TRADE OFF HERE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO FORCE COMPANIES AND BUILDERS AND TO DO THINGS AND THAT COST JUST SHIFTS TO
THEM. 
          AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT. 
          I YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT THAT THIS PROCESS BE REVERSED,
WHERE WE FIND OUT THE IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED, MEANING THE COMPANIES AND SO FORTH, AND IT
FLOWS BACK INTO THE ANALYSIS SO THAT THERE'S A TOTAL PIE IS A SOCIETAL COST BENEFIT, NOT JUST THE CITY JAMMING SOMETHING
DOWN THE THROAT OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING. 
          BUT THIS IS A VERY ONE SIDED ANALYSIS IN MY OPINION. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU SAY THAT MR. HUBINGER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE [INAUDIBLE] IN THE AUDIENCE AND HIS PRESENTATION
FROM THE BUILDING ASSOCIATION IN REGARD TO THE IMPACT THAT IT POSSIBLY MIGHT HAVE ON THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND OR THE COST OF HOUSING AND IT'S EXPENSIVE NOW. 
          AND HERE WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO TRY TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA. 
          AND YET MANDATES HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE. 
          RIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS SEEM SO DIFFICULT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT WHEN YOU GET
INTO IT AND WORK TOGETHER WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, A LOT OF THESE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE RIGHT SORT OF LISTENING AND WORKING TOGETHER. 
          BUT WHEN THEY COME DOWN HARD ONE WAY, THEY THEY, THEY CAN BE EXTREMELY COSTLY AND
EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE AND NOBODY REACHES ANY GOALS. 
          AND IT DOESN'T HELP US IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. 
          YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING TOO IS LOOKING AT IT FROM A LOCAL MILES TRAVELED, YOU KNOW,
TRAVEL TEAM, THE IMPACT. 
          I KNOW WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ON ONE OF OUR MORE RECENT AGENDA ITEMS, SMART AND FINAL
CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE, AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN REGARD TO WITH NOT HAVING IT PRIMARILY HOUSING AND WITH VERY LITTLE
COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THE PROPERTY IS NOW CURRENTLY USED AS. 
          AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME, BOTH FROM OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT ALSO
WITHIN AMONGST OURSELVES REGARDING PEOPLE HAVING TO DRIVE FURTHER AND PROVIDING GREENHOUSE GAS IN DRIVING FURTHER TO GET TO THOSE SERVICES. 
          AND THAT WAS A DISCUSSION. 
          AND I NOTICED IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT THAT THAT
WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY BROUGHT UP, AND WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER STINE. 
          THANK YOU. I WANT TO ECHO THE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS OF COMMISSIONERS MEENES AND
COMMISSIONER HUBINGER I THINK THEY'RE SPOT ON. I THINK THE IMPACT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS A BIG COMPONENT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BIG QUESTION MARK ABOUT THAT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I DON'T FAULT STAFF WITH REGARD TO NOT PROVIDING US THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T WITHIN
THEIR MANDATE, IT WASN'T WITHIN THEIR DIRECTION. 
          BUT I THINK BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, WE NEED SOME NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH
REAL WORLD IMPACTS ON OUR HOUSING INDUSTRY, OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, OUR TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY. 
          GET SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE SOME SENSE ON WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME, AND MY CONCERN IS THEY MAY BE MAJOR. 
          PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA OF HOUSING. 
          WE YES, WE HAVE A CLIMATE CRISIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS. 
          HENCE WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF STATE MANDATES THAT TIE OUR HANDS EVERY TIME WE HAVE A
HOUSING PROJECT TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON, BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS WE NEED MORE HOUSING, INCREASE THAT SUPPLY, AND WE SAY THAT'S THE LAW, THIS IS OUR
FRAMEWORK, AND WE PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. 
          SO THERE IS A CLIMATE CRISIS? YES, BUT WE CAN'T BE SO FOCUSED WITH BLINDERS ON CLIMATE ISSUES AND NOT BE FULLY
COGNIZANT OF HOW THIS WILL IMPACT HOUSING AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
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SO MY INCLINATION NOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT STAFF IS NOT LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION
TONIGHT. 
          BUT ON MY PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS IS WE OUGHT TO GO SLOW HERE. 
          WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER COSTS AND GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THEM BEFORE WE
JUMP RIGHT IN OFF THE DIVING BOARD AND INTO THE OCEAN. 
          COMMISSIONER DANIEL? YES. 
          THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. 
          SO I ECHO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES CONCERNS WITH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN
IT COMES TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          THAT IS A SENSITIVE ISSUE. 
          I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE CLOSER AND WHERE THAT BALANCE IS BETWEEN
MEETING THE CLIMATE GOALS AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS. 
          THE OTHER THOUGHT I'M LOOKING AT AS I LOOK THROUGH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS SOME OF THE
TERMINOLOGY THAT IS USED IS THINGS LIKE LEVERAGE, EXPLORE AND EVALUATE. 
          THOSE DON'T SEEM TO CARRY A LOT OF TEETH. 
          AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE THE PLAN TO ALLOW FOR
THE CITY TO MANEUVER AND COME UP WITH DIFFERENT MEASURES TO ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS. 
          BUT WHERE POSSIBLE, I THINK THAT STRONGER LANGUAGE OR STRONGER TERMINOLOGY MIGHT BE
USEFUL TO ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FINALLY, I, I HAVE A INTEREST IN TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN TO TALK ABOUT HOW
WE CAN PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR STUDENTS GOING TO OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS. 
          CURRENTLY, IF YOU GO ANYWHERE NEAR A SCHOOL IN THE MORNING OR IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU SEE
HOW MANY CARS ARE IDLING AND HOW MUCH TIME IS WASTED, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF SCHOOL BUSSING SED WORKING WITH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT TO KIND OF TAKE
A LOOK AT WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR BUSSING CHILDREN TO AND FROM SCHOOL. 
          THAT IS ALL I HAVE. 
          COMMISSIONER MERTZ. YES. 
          THANK YOU. AND FIRST OFF, I WANT TO APPRECIATE THE PROCESS WE'RE JUST RECEIVING THE
REPORT AND THEN HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO ABSORB THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THEN WE COME BACK WHERE WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS TONIGHT
WHO CAME OUT AND TOOK THE TIME TO TO MAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY TONIGHT. [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSS SOME OF THE NOTES I HAVE FROM THAT. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, NAIOP, I'M IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY. 
          I'VE BEEN TO, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY NAIOP MEETINGS OVER THE YEARS. 
          I HEAR CONCERNS FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE AND ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO WAIT FOR CODE UPDATES
BEFORE WE DO THIS. 
          THEN, MR. K, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN SAN DIEGO, ALSO WITH THE BUILDING
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, WHICH HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY A GREAT ADVOCATE FOR ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO HOUSING AND HIS CONCERN ABOUT UNKNOWN COSTS. 
          THEN THE SAN DIEGO REGIONAL CHAMBER, WHICH AGAIN, IS A WELL RESPECTED GROUP, SAYING
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT INCENTIVES VERSUS MANDATES, LACK OF DETAIL YOU KNOW, INCREASED COSTS OF HOUSING AND THEN ALSO GRID CAPACITY. 
          AND THEN OVERALL, I THINK MORE THAN ONE OF THEM BROUGHT ABOUT THE NEED FOR A MANDATE FOR
ELECTRIFICATION. 
          AND THE LAST ONE I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING. 
          THE GENTLEMAN FROM PLANNING ASSOCIATES IN THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER. 
          SO AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW, I HAVE A BUILDING, A LISTING IN THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AS WE SPEAK. 
          AND SO PLANNING ASSOCIATES AND FOLKS HAVE CONSULTANTS OF THAT ARE ON THE FRONT LINE OF
WORKING THROUGH THE CITY. 
          AND OFTENTIMES I RECOMMEND OUR CLIENTS ACTUALLY HIRE SOMEONE LIKE THAT JUST TO GET
THROUGH THE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A NICE WORD TO SAY THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING THROUGH THE CITY, AND OFTENTIMES WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DO THAT JUST
BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES. 
          AND SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES UP AND SAYS, WE HAVE CONCERNS. 
          THAT'S VERY IMPACTFUL TO HEAR THAT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE SAYS IT'S GOING TO HURT TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AND DISCOURAGE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          LASTLY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCERN FOR HOUSING PERSONALLY WE WENT
THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BUILDING AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ON OUR HOME, A 1970S HOME THAT WAS ON A HUGE CORNER LOT. 
          AND I THINK IT TOOK US A YEAR TO GET THROUGH THE CITY ON OUR PLANS ON THAT. 
          SO WHEN AND PEOPLE AS WELL RESPECTED IN THE INDUSTRY MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE
VERY IMPACTFUL TO ME AND I LISTEN VERY CLOSELY AGAIN. 
          SO I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT. 
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I GUESS FOR ME AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS I HEARD FROM THE SPEAKERS A FEELING THAT
THEIR CONCERNS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PARAPHRASE HERE, THAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE NOT ADDRESSED OR THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE HANDLED. 
          I GUESS FOR ME, AS WE COME BACK NEXT TIME TO HEAR THIS, I'M I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME
RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT UNLESS WE GET A MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS WHO'VE COME AND SPOKE TONIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. GOOD COMMENTS. 
          KATIE HAS NOT RETURNED. 
          IF I GUESS IF THERE'S QUESTIONS FOR KATIE PUBLIC WORKS, WE'D ASK HER TO COME BACK TO THE
MIC. 
          OKAY. CAN I ASK A ANOTHER, HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS, A LOT OF PROJECTS. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S I MEAN, MY EXPERIENCE IS EVERYTHING'S 80 OVER 20 RULE. 
          SO MAYBE IT'S DOING FEWER PROJECTS AND MORE IMPACTFUL PROJECTS BETTER WITH BETTER
FEEDBACK. 
          I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF DOWN THE LANE WITH THIS ALREADY, BUT YOU KNOW, MORE IS NOT ALWAYS
MORE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CONCENTRATING ON A FEW HIGH IMPACT PROJECTS AND DOING THEM BETTER MIGHT
BE A BETTER WAY TO GO. 
          JUST A COMMENT. KATIE, HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN REGARD TO THIS DOCUMENT AND THE PROCESS
WE'VE GONE THROUGH OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          OTHER PUBLIC AGENCIES, OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. 
          ARE THEY GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME PROCESS ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND DO, DOES
THIS DOCUMENT MIRROR MANY OF THE ITEMS AND ISSUES AND THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR DOCUMENT OR SIMILAR TO THEIRS? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO YEAH, YOU SAW IN ONE OF MY SLIDES THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING PROCESS IS NEVER
ENDING. 
          I LIKE TO SAY IT'S CRADLE TO CRADLE INSTEAD OF CRADLE TO GRAVE. 
          SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS WHERE YOUR JURISDICTION IS AT WITH WHEN THEY ADOPTED THEIR
FIRST PLAN, IF THEY HAVE ONE. 
          ALMOST ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS IN THE SAN DIEGO REGION HAVE ONE, SO WE'LL JUST ASSUME
THAT THEY DO. 
          AND THEN WHAT THE DIRECTION IS TO UPDATE THAT PLAN, SO IT'S NOT ANY REQUIREMENT OF HOW
OFTEN YOU UPDATE A PLAN, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          OURS IS FROM 2015, SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO NINE. 
          SO AS FAR AS LIKE THE CYCLE OF WHERE OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE AT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO WAS
PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE THAT GOT UPDATED FAIRLY RECENTLY. I THINK IT WAS LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT THEIR UPDATE WAS APPROVED. 
          I SAW AN EMAIL EARLIER TODAY THAT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO IS TAKING THEIRS TO THE BOARD
OF SUPERVISORS, I BELIEVE, NEXT WEEK. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER SMALLER JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING SEVERAL OF OUR
NEIGHBORS WHO ARE JUST BEHIND CARLSBAD WITH THEIR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATES. 
          SO YOU'LL BE HEARING AND SEEING A LOT OF SIMILAR CONTENT IN THE MONTHS TO COME. 
          THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER STINE. 
          YES, I'M FOLLOWING UP ON THAT. 
          ARE THERE ANY STATE IMPOSED DEADLINES OR MANDATES THAT SAY WE NEED TO REVISE OUR CLIMATE
ACTION PLAN BY A PARTICULAR DATE? YEAH. 
          GREAT QUESTION. SO NO STATE MANDATES. 
          THE MANDATE THAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER IS BACK ON THIS SLIDE. 
          SO THE MANDATE THAT THE CITY HAS IS TIED TO OUR MITIGATION MEASURES. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE BEING FROM OUR 2015 GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE
CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS BORN OUT OF THAT MITIGATION MEASURE. 
          BUT MORE RECENTLY THIS JANUARY 2024 CERTIFICATION OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL EIR FOR THE GENERAL
PLAN LAND USE AND COMMUNITY DESIGN ELEMENT AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT. 
          SO THAT WAS THE UPDATE THAT ENCOMPASSED THAT HOUSING ELEMENT AND REZONE EFFORT. 
          SO WITHIN THAT SUPPLEMENTAL EIR THERE'S ANOTHER MITIGATION MEASURE THAT REQUIRES THE CITY
TO DRAFT AND ADOPT A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE IN ORDER FOR US TO BOTH ACCOMMODATE FOR THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE GENERAL PLAN
BY WAY OF THAT EFFORT, BUT ALSO SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO STREAMLINE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SINCE OUR PLAN IS CEQA QUALIFIED AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2015, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG
COMPONENT. 
          IT MEANS THAT IF YOU SHOW CONSISTENCY WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE
TO PREPARE, YOU KNOW, YOUR OWN CEQA DOCUMENTATION OUTLINING THE DIFFERENT GREENHOUSE GAS 
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RELATED IMPACTS. 
          SO THE TARGET COMPLETION DATE FOR THAT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL EIR IS JANUARY TO JULY 2025. 
          OKAY. SO THESE ARE BASICALLY LOCALLY IMPOSED, INTERNALLY IMPOSED TARGET COMPLETION DATES,
IF YOU WILL. 
          AND THE NEXT ONES COMING UP FIRST PART OF NEXT YEAR. 
          RIGHT. SO HYPOTHETICALLY IF WE ASKED RECOMMENDED AND COUNCIL BE COUNCILS CALL THAT WE
KIND OF GO SLOW ON THIS UNTIL WE HAVE SOME MORE COST FIGURES ON PRIVATE SECTOR IMPACTS CONCEIVABLY
WE COULD GET THAT AND STILL BE ABLE TO GET IT TO COUNCIL THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT YEAR POSSIBLY. 
          IT'D BE VERY SPEEDY, BUT I THINK I COULD DO IT. 
          OKAY. IT'D BE A LOT OF WORK. 
          OKAY. OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME STATE MANDATE THAT, BY GOSH, IF WE DIDN'T
COMPLETE IT BY A DEADLINE, THEN WE HAVE SOME DRASTIC ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES TO THE CITY. 
          BUT APPARENTLY THERE'S NOT. 
          RIGHT. MR. LARDY, I THINK I THINK HE HAS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH
MY MIND AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, IS THAT THE TIMETABLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT THE NEXT TIME IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US IN A MONTH, AND THEN WE
THEN WILL TAKE ACTION AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND THE DISCUSSION I'M HEARING AMONGST US AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT
THAN THE TIMETABLE THAT IS BEING GIVEN TO US BY STAFF. 
          COULD YOU EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. YEAH, SURE. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD POINT IN TIME WHERE WE CAN SAY KIND OF THE DIFFERENT ROLES. 
          AND SO I'M UP HERE SERVING AS THE AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND SO, IN OUR ROLE, HELP ADVISE ON LAND USE PLANNING RELATED ISSUES AND IMPLEMENTATION. 
          THE SPECIFIC TARGET FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF OUR PROJECT WITH THE
HOUSING ELEMENT REZONE PROGRAM. 
          IT WAS A MITIGATION MEASURE, AND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT IS WE ADDED 3000 UNITS TO
THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN THAT WEREN'T ACCOMMODATED BY THE LAST CAP. 
          THOSE UNITS, WHEN BUILT, WILL HAVE PEOPLE IN THEM. 
          THEY WILL HAVE ELECTRICITY NEEDS, EVERYTHING. 
          SO THAT HELPS DRIVE THE THE PROJECTIONS. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TO ADVISE UPON THAT. 
          PUBLIC WORKS IS REALLY THE DRIVER OF THE SCHEDULE OF HOW THAT CAP IS COMPLETED. 
          SO I DEFER TO THEM ON THE SCHEDULE AND OPTIONS AND SCOPE AS THEY WORK WITH THE CITY
COUNCIL. 
          THAT BEING SAID, I AM GETTING A TEXT THAT WE ARE LOSING THE LIVE FEED. 
          SO COULD I RECOMMEND WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT BACK UP
BEFORE WE CONCLUDE? WE WILL DO SO. 
          FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. 
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MIC] 
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WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE MEETING. 
          AT THIS TIME, WE ARE STILL RECORDING SO WE CAN PROCEED ON, CONTINUE WITH FURTHER
DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION STANDPOINT? OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. 
          AND MY QUESTION IS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING IN REGARD TO ISSUES, I
GUESS YOU COULD SAY, IN REGARD TO MANDATES AND INCENTIVES FOR THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND ALSO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE VERSUS
PROJECTS AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT. 
          AND WITH THAT IN MIND, LOOKING AT WHEN THIS IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO US AGAIN, AND
THEN WE WILL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO AT THAT MEETING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT WE
AS A COMMISSION WOULD BE PROVIDING A LIST AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LIST
THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, ACTION ITEMS THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING, TAKING ACTION ON? IN OTHER WORDS, SHOULD THE COMMISSION BE PREPARED TO BE READY AT THE NEXT MEETING TO BE
ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ARE POSSIBLY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'D BE MAKING TO
COUNCIL. 
          I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE ASKED, IT'S BEING ASKED TONIGHT
TO MAKE COMMENTS, AND IT'S BEING ASKED AT THE NEXT MEETING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SPECIFIC ACTIONS, WHICH IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS RECOMMENDING AN ACTION
ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO HAVE MODIFICATIONS TO THAT, TO APPROVE IT OR
TO NOT APPROVE IT, AND THAT'S WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. 
          ULTIMATELY, IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT. 
          I WOULD ASK IF PUBLIC WORKS HAS ANY COMMENTS RELATED TO THE SCHEDULE OR RELATED TO
ANYTHING ELSE RAISED TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LARDY. 
          YEAH. SO AS FAR AS THE SCHEDULE GOES, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF
CONDUCTING A BENEFIT COST 
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ANALYSIS, I THINK I WAS MAYBE A LITTLE EAGER IN SAYING SIX MONTHS. 
          I KIND OF FORGET THE HOLIDAYS AND IT'S A BIT OF A DEAD ZONE THEN. 
          SO I THINK A SAFER ESTIMATE TO, YOU KNOW, PREPARE A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, GET BUDGET
APPROPRIATED, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS GETTING THEIR BUY IN DOCKETING WRITING STAFF REPORTS, COMING BACK TO PLANNING
COMMISSION AND THEN GOING BACK TO COUNCIL, SAY FOR ESTIMATE 9 TO 12 MONTHS PROBABLY ONLY BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF WE WERE AT COUNCIL LAST NOVEMBER. 
          THEY GAVE US COMMENTS. 
          WE'RE GOING BACK IN NOVEMBER. 
          IT'S BEEN 12 MONTHS. SO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO PUSH MYSELF BUT PROBABLY TAKE A LITTLE
LONGER. 
          BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TAKING OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS AND OR BRINGING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL THIS FALL. 
          AND IF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ENTAIL COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE DECIDE
ON AND TAKE ACTION ON AT OUR NEXT MEETING, IT COULD DELAY THAT. 
          YEAH. YES. 
          OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE. 
          YEAH. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. THE TIMING DOESN'T MATTER HERE. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          YOU WANT THE BEST PLAN. 
          ALL RIGHT. THIS THING HAS TOO MUCH IMPACT. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO GET ALL HUNG UP ON THE TIMING. 
          THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          NOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO OUT FIVE YEARS. 
          I GET IT. AND I THINK KATIE'S GOING 9 MONTHS. 
          IT'S REALLY PROBABLY 12 BECAUSE YOU GOT TO ENGAGE THE THE MARKETPLACE AND REALLY, REALLY
GET INTO THESE THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHY I STILL FAVOR PICKING YOUR TOP BIG PROJECTS THAT THAT REALLY ARE THE MEAT OF
THE WHOLE EXECUTION. 
          RIGHT. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET HUNG UP ON THE TIMING. 
          I THINK IT'S QUALITY. 
          ASK FOR INFORMATION OR DIRECT AND ASK PUBLIC WORKS TO RETURN WITH INFORMATION, YOU ARE
ENTITLED TO DO THAT. 
          SO IT COULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR INFORMATION TO GET THAT, SO THAT
THERE COULD BE A CLEARER PICTURE WHEN THIS RETURNS IN OCTOBER, OF WHAT OPTIONS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU SPECIFIC TO THIS MEASURE. 
          SO, MR. LARDY, ARE YOU ASKING, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THOSE QUESTIONS BE SUBMITTED TO
KATIE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO? WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M SUGGESTING THAT IF YOU TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION TONIGHT IN THE FORM
OF A MINUTE MOTION, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU DO. 
          EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER COULD SUBMIT COMMENTS IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, BUT THEY
COULD NOT BE ANY COLLABORATION ON THAT IN THE FORM OF NOT RISKING A BROWN ACT VIOLATION. CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE TIMING? I DID JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THERE IS THAT MITIGATION MEASURE, TIMING
INCLUDED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL EIR FOR THE THE NAME IS SO LONG COMMUNITY DESIGN ELEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT SUPPLEMENTAL EIR THAT WAS
APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          SO THERE IS THAT TIMING PIECE TO CONSIDER. 
          I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING. 
          THANK YOU, KATIE. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING THAT MAYBE WE IF YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE TO PUBLIC WORKS STAFF, NOW YOU COULD DO SO LIKE FOR ME, EVERY PROJECT SHOULD HAVE
A COUNTER WITH THE IMPACT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THE COMPLEXITY AND COST. 
          RIGHT. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD RUN A STUDY WITH EVERYTHING. 
          SO AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE BIG, COMPLICATED PROJECTS, MAYBE BY A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS AND
ASSOCIATIONS THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT AND, AND JUST HAVE A BALANCED LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT RELATIVE TO ITS IMPACT ON THE, THE, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY
OR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXECUTE IT. AND THEN IF THERE ARE RED FLAGS FOR 2 OR 3 OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE THEY'RE
PARTICULARLY THORNY, THEN WE KNOW WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO A STUDY OR SOMETHING MORE, MORE IN DEPTH. 
          KATIE. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION, IF THAT'S OKAY COMMISSIONER
HUBINGER. 
          TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS, BUT I JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M OKAY. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S FLIPPED. 
          RIGHT? IT'S IT'S I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. 
          THAT'S ALREADY BEEN KIND OF CLARIFIED AND EVERYTHING. 
          NOW I'M 100% CONCERNED WITH HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT
AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A VOICE. 
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AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT
IMPACT ON HOUSING OR OR BUILDING OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WOULD PROBABLY THAT WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE
COMPLETED BY OCTOBER. 
          IS THAT OKAY? JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING THAT IN FOUR WEEKS. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WOULD YOU BE WORKING ON THAT AND HAVE SOME FURTHER INFORMATION FOR
US WHEN WE MEET AT OUR NEXT MEETING? SO THAT TYPE OF EFFORT WOULD DEFINITELY REQUIRE BUDGET APPROPRIATION AND LIKELY DIRECTION
FROM CITY COUNCIL TO GO FORTH AND CONDUCT SUCH A STUDY SO. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, WE CAN'T EXPECT ANYTHING BY OUR OCTOBER MEETING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF
STAFF PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OTHER THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER STINE. 
          YES. I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE VIEWS OF COMMISSIONER HUBINGER ON THIS ISSUE AND WANTING
THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. BUT I WANT TO BE PRACTICAL TOO AND PRAGMATIC. 
          AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DOABLE WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF
TIME, CONSISTENT ON WITH OUR EXISTING TIMETABLES, WHERE WE HAVE A TARGET COMPLETION DATE OF THE FIRST BASICALLY SIX MONTHS OR SEVEN MONTHS OF NEXT
YEAR, THEN I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO APPROACH IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          AND ONE OF THE WAYS JUST KIND OF THINKING OUT LOUD AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS
WOULD BE AT THE TIME IF THE CLIMATE ACTION PROGRAM IS APPROVED, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, IT'S APPROVED, RECOMMENDED
APPROVAL, NEXT MEETING BY COMMISSION, AND HYPOTHETICALLY, IT'S APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL SOME WEEKS LATER OR MONTHS LATER. 
          I'M THINKING IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IN THE BIG PROJECT. 
          WHAT BIG PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION IN THAT WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AND COUNCIL IS
GOING TO TAKE AN ACTION THAT WILL MANDATE CERTAIN STRATEGIES AND THAT COULD HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE
HOUSING COMMUNITY, I WOULD THINK, AT LEAST BY THAT TIME BEFORE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. 
          AND WE GET AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, OR A POLICY THAT HAS TEETH THAT WILL BECOME
OUR LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT AT THAT POINT PERHAPS WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT STUDY, THAT COST BENEFIT STUDY BE DONE PRIOR
TO THAT FORMAL ADOPTION OF THAT MEASURE, OF THAT STRATEGY. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A CONCEPT, A PLAN TO THE NEXT STEP AND IMPLEMENT IT
IN THE REAL WORLD. 
          BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER, WITH THE ACTION THAT WE TAKE
AND THE MOTIONS THAT WE MAKE, WE COULD VERY EASILY INCORPORATE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM DOING THAT. 
          AND THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HOLD UP THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF APPROVAL. 
          BUT BY GOLLY, AT THE TIME WHERE WE WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AND THE CONCEPT
BECOMES IMPLEMENTED WITH AN ORDINANCE OR A POLICY. 
          AT THAT TIME, AT THE VERY LEAST, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THESE ISSUES, THIS COST BENEFIT
ANALYSIS BEFORE THE COUNCIL, BEFORE THEY TAKE THE ACTION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T SEND IT TO COUNCIL AND WE DON'T APPROVE IT? YEAH. THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR YOUR HYPOTHETICAL ASSUMES APPROVAL. 
          IT DOES. I'M SAYING IF WE DO, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD. 
          THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS OF ACCOMPLISHING THE SAME OBJECTIVES, WHICH I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC
TO, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE DOING IT LATER DOWN IN THE PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE
A POLICY, SOMETHING THAT GOES TO COUNCIL THAT'S IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN, NOT JUST APPROVING THE PLAN, IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN. 
          THEN AT THAT POINT THAT WE WOULD SUGGEST, PERHAPS AS PART OF THE PLAN, WE PUT LANGUAGE IN
THERE THAT SAYS WHEN IT COMES TO IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN, SUCH AS BY AN ORDINANCE, THAT THERE BE THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT
ON HOUSING OR OTHER PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          MAYBE OUR CITY ATTORNEY COULD COULD ASSIST A LITTLE BIT. 
          YEAH, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE CODE SECTION. 
          I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT THERE IS A CODE SECTION IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE THAT SAYS THAT
ESSENTIALLY FAILING TO PASS A RESOLUTION IS EFFECTIVELY A DENIAL. 
          SO THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL WITH EFFECTIVELY THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF
DENIAL. 
          I'D WANT TO FIND IT ACTUALLY IN THE CODE TO CONFIRM MY MY MEMORY, BUT I THINK IT'S IN
THERE. 
          [INAUDIBLE] BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT 
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WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO BE PREPARED AT OUR NEXT MEETING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE
CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND THEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT TIME, TIME LIMITS OR TIME FRAME ON THAT. 
          BUT THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE
EXPRESSED REGARDING COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, COULD VERY, VERY EASILY BE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          COMMISSIONER DANNA. 
          YEAH, JUST, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE AS I THINK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, NO TWO PROJECTS
ARE THE SAME. 
          AND SO WHAT DOES THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS LOOK LIKE? RIGHT? WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT. RIGHT. 
          AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS THERE ANYTHING OUT IN, OUT ON THE FIELD THAT KIND OF TAKES INTO ACCOUNT, SAY, YOU KNOW, SOLAR PANEL IMPLEMENTATION, RIGHT. 
          SAY THIS IS THE INITIAL COST PER SO MANY KILOWATT HOURS AND WITH A 5 OR 10 YEAR LIFESPAN,
THESE ARE THE OPERATIONAL GAINS OR COSTS OR DEBITS, CREDITS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          AND SO WE CAN SEE IN GENERAL TERMS FOR EACH OF THESE MEASURES WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN COST OF A MEASURE LIKE THIS? BECAUSE YES, INITIAL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER TO PURCHASE SOLAR PANELS OR BATTERIES,
WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          BUT IN THE LONG RUN, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THESE THINGS START TO PAY BACK OR SOME OF
THESE THINGS START TO PAY BACK. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD IT MIGHT BE USEFUL INSTEAD OF DOING A VERY HIGHLY TECHNICAL COST
BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS KIND OF LOOKING AT EACH OF THESE ITEMS AND SEEING WHAT A LIFE CYCLE, A TYPICAL LIFE CYCLE MIGHT BE FOR IT AND ITS COST
INSTALLATION VERSUS OPERATION. 
          AND WHERE IS THAT BREAKING POINT OF BREAKING EVEN OR LOSING MONEY OR MAKING MONEY. 
          YEAH, AND HAPPY TO CLARIFY SOME MORE DETAILS. 
          SO THAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS EFFECTIVELY. 
          SO LET'S IMAGINE A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE CONDUCTING ONE. 
          THE ANALYSIS WOULD GO THROUGH MEASURE BY MEASURE IN THE PROPOSED MEASURES IN THE DRAFT
CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE, AND LOOK AT KIND OF JUST WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, NOT EVERY SINGLE MEASURE IS INSTALLING SOLAR, BUT IT WOULD LOOK AT IT TAKES
THE IMPLEMENTATION COST ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE THAT JUST LOOKS AT COSTS OF THE CITY AND THEN EXPANDS THAT TO, YOU KNOW, COST OF CUSTOMER USERS, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, COST TO
SOCIETY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE COST CATEGORIES THAT I'VE SEEN CLASSIFIED IN THEM. 
          AND YEAH, THEN KIND OF SPITS IT OUT AND RELATES IT BACK TO THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
THAT ARE GOING TO BE REDUCED BY THAT MEASURE. 
          AND I HATE THIS TERM, BUT IT'S SORT OF LIKE A BANG FOR YOUR BUCK COMPARISON. 
          SO ARE THE LIKE ARE THE REDUCTIONS VERY, VERY SMALL. 
          BUT THE COST IS VERY, VERY HIGH. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE ANALYSIS WOULD SHOW. 
          IS IT FLIP FLOPPED? IT WOULD SHOW KIND OF THE SAME THING. 
          DOES IT KIND OF NET OUT. 
          SO ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS YEAH INCLUDED IN A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS I WILL SAY A
LIMITATION OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION. 
          IMPLEMENTATION COST ANALYSIS THAT WOULD LIKELY OCCUR WITH THE BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS. 
          THOUGH I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS JUST THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT PROJECTS
OUT. 
          SO WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO LOOK AT FIVE YEARS FOR THE ICA. 
          IT'S JUST A BIT DIFFICULT TO ASSUME COSTS ALL THE WAY OUT TO 2045. 
          SO YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT FIVE YEAR SNAPSHOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE EASIER, A LITTLE
MORE GRANULAR THAN PROJECTING ALL THE WAY OUT. 
          BUT THERE'S NO LIKE OFF THE SHELF MODELING PRODUCT. 
          LIKE I'M, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M THINKING LIKE SANDAG TRAFFIC GENERATION MODELING. 
          RIGHT. THAT'S LIKE AN OFF THE SHELF SORT OF THING. 
          THERE'S ESTABLISHED NUMBERS THAT YOU JUST PLUG IN. 
          RIGHT. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE? GOT IT. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY. 
          GREAT, GREAT QUESTION. 
          MR. COMMISSIONER DANNA, HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE THERE? SORRY. GO AHEAD. HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE THERE? JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAY PROJECTS, DO YOU MEAN MEASURES? YEAH. I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 25 OR 26. 
          YEAH. SO I'M KIND OF THINKING YOU HAVE 25 MEASURES. 
          YOU RANK THEM IN TERMS OF IMPACT. 
          HIGHEST IMPACT ON TOP AND THEN YOU GET FEEDBACK ON THE ONES THAT ARE THE MOST COMPLICATED
FROM THE MARKETPLACE. 
          THE ELECTRIFICATION ONE WE HAD. 
          [01:55:02]
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHERE YOU COULD JUST HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE
STAKEHOLDERS ARE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE AND COULD BE VERY COSTLY. YOU WOULD YOU ASSIGN IT SOME SORT OF A DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY. 
          AND IT'S ONE PIECE OF PAPER WE CAN JUST TALK OFF OF AND FROM THE TOP DOWN, MAYBE THREE OR
4 OR 5 OF THEM ARE LIKE SLAM DUNKS. 
          NOBODY'S GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          AND MAYBE THERE'S JUST 1 OR 2 MEASURES THAT ARE REALLY YOU KNOW DIFFICULT FOR THE
BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO IMPLEMENT OR HOUSING IMPACT OR WHATEVER. AND WE FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON THOSE RATHER THAN THE 25 THAT MAYBE 10 OR 15 ARE
NO BRAINERS, YOU KNOW, AND WE FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLICATED AND WE GO FROM THERE. 
          WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO DO A STUDY ON EACH ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M JUST I JUST HAVE THIS FEELING THERE'S, THERE'S A HANDFUL THAT THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY IS REALLY STRUGGLING WITH. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. 
          WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THOSE, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. I WILL SAY, JUST WITH THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS I LEARNED WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION COST
ANALYSIS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ONE MEASURE, YOU MAY AS WELL JUST LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, LIKE THE LEVEL OF EFFORT DOESN'T SCALE UP TO BE THAT MUCH MORE FOR THE
CONSULTANTS WHO DO THIS SORT OF WORK. 
          SO ALL I'M SAYING IS YOU'D PROBABLY GET. 
          FROM A WORK STANDPOINT. YEAH I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT FROM AN IMPACT ON THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT IS
REALLY THE WAY I'M KIND OF THINKING OF IT. 
          YES. THAT WOULD ALL BE INCLUDED IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL STUDY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          I, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS FOR PREPARATION AND INFORMATION FOR
THEM TO RESPOND WHEN THEY RETURN NEXT MONTH. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. LARDY. COMMISSIONER MERZ. 
          COMMISSIONER DANNA. 
          SO, JUST TO CLARIFY. 
          SO THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE IDEAS OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE CAP AS WELL AT THE OCTOBER MEETING, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT
TO KIND OF BRING UP AT THIS MEETING. MR. LARDY, YOU SHOULD ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOW OR ITEMS RELATED TO THAT. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE OCTOBER MEETINGS WILL LOOK LIKE IS BASICALLY TWO OPTIONS FOR
THE COMMISSION. 
          THE COMMISSION LIKE I SAID EARLIER, HAS THE OPTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND
APPROVAL WITH MODIFICATIONS OR NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST A COUPLE OF THINGS IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ADD TO THE CAP. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN ALSO WAIT TILL OCTOBER. 
          I CAN CLARIFY THAT WE WON'T BE CHANGING THE DOCUMENT BEFORE OCTOBER. 
          SO YOU CAN TELL ME NOW, YOU CAN WAIT WHATEVER YOU LIKE. 
          I'LL WAIT. I GUESS WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR OCTOBER MEETING IS, IS TO BE PREPARED FOR HAVING
QUESTIONS, NOT QUESTIONS, BUT RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE GIVEN AS A PART OF OUR ACTION AT OUR NEXT
MEETING. 
          AND SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THINK ABOUT THOSE. 
          AND THEN WITH WITHIN OUR COMMISSION DISCUSSION, WE CAN THEN KIND OF NARROW DOWN WHAT WE
WISH TO SEE AS TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, BE THEY 1, 2 OR 3 OF THEM OR 4 OF THEM OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. 
          AND THEN I THINK, KATIE, I THINK YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION
WE'VE HAD THIS EVENING TO WHERE MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY, IF YOU HAVE ANY, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ANY RESEARCH THAT YOU
MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, HAVE IT BE A PART OF OUR AGENDA ITEM. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TO HAVE KATIE BE PREPARED FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? OKAY. NOTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT THAT CONCLUDES OUR NON PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          I WANT TO THANK STAFF. 
          KATIE YOU'VE BEEN AWESOME PUTTING UP WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          AND I APPRECIATE BY THE WAY ALL THE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC THIS EVENING. 
          VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          WITH THAT IN MIND, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY REPORTS? 
          [CITY PLANNER REPORT]
CITY PLANNER? WE WILL BE CANCELING THE SEPTEMBER 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THEN RETURNING ON
OCTOBER 2ND. 
          IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE'LL BE HAVING THE OCTOBER 16TH MEETING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL ON
SEPTEMBER 24TH. 
          WE WILL BE HAVING THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE MIXED USE PROJECT. 
          [CITY ATTORNEY REPORT]
          [02:00:07]
CITY ATTORNEY. 
          NOTHING FOR ME. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND WE SURELY APPRECIATE WITH THAT. 
          WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE ADJOURNED AT EXACTLY 7:00.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.