[00:00:06] GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 18TH MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION. [CALL TO ORDER] WOULD THE MINUTES CLERK PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER HUBINGER. COMMISSIONER DANNA. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MERZ. HERE. VICE CHAIR MEENES PRESENT. ALICIA LAFFERTY IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER STINE. HERE. AND CHAIR KAMENJARIN. PRESENT. ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY, WHO IS ABSENT. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED THIS EVENING BY MYSELF. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MISS MINUTES CLERK, THERE ARE NO MINUTES OF ANY PRIOR MEETING, ARE THERE? THAT'S CORRECT. GREAT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO ON TO THE FOLLOWING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PROCEDURES ARE IN EFFECT. WE WILL REQUIRE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FORM FOR ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, INCLUDING PUBLIC HEARINGS. REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS MUST BE TURNED INTO THE MINUTES CLERK PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING. SO IF THERE ARE ANY SPEAKERS HERE FOR ITEM ONE, PLEASE FILL OUT THE FORM AND RETURN TO OUR MINUTES CLERK NOW. THIS WILL ALLOW SPEAKER TIME TO BE MANAGED IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES UNLESS THAT TIME IS REDUCED BY THE CHAIRPERSON. SPEAKERS MAY NOT GIVE THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER. GROUP TIME WILL BE PERMITTED FOR ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE REPRESENTATIVE MUST IDENTIFY THE GROUP AND AT LEAST THREE MEMBERS OF THE GROUP MUST BE PRESENT DURING THE MEETING AT WHICH THE PRESENTATION IS BEING MADE. THOSE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF A GROUP HAVE TEN MINUTES, UNLESS THAT TIME IS CHANGED BY THE CHAIRPERSON. THE MINUTES CLERK WILL CALL THE NAMES OF THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER THE REQUESTS TO SPEAK HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY PROVIDING COMMENTS AS PROVIDED ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA. THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL RECEIVE COMMENTS AS REQUESTED, UP TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ALL OTHER NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE HEARD AT THE END OF THE MEETING. IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT NO ACTION CAN OCCUR ON THOSE ITEMS. MISS MINUTES CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS? NO, CHAIR WE DO NOT. THANK YOU. IF EVERYONE WILL DIRECT THEIR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN I WILL NOW REVIEW THE PROCEDURES THE COMMISSION WILL BE FOLLOWING FOR THIS EVENING'S PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPENED. STAFF WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF PRESENTATION. THE APPLICANTS WILL MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND RESPOND TO CLARIFYING COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS. THEY WILL HAVE TEN MINUTES FOR THEIR PRESENTATION. THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD WILL THEN BE OPENED. A TIME LIMIT OF THREE MINUTES IS ALLOTTED TO EACH SPEAKER. AFTER ALL THOSE WANTING TO SPEAK HAVE DONE SO, THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY PERIOD WILL BE CLOSED. THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ISSUES OR QUESTIONS RAISED. THE COMMISSIONERS WILL THEN DISCUSS THE ITEM AND THEN VOTE ON IT. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. CERTAIN PUBLIC EXCUSE ME CERTAIN PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS ARE FINAL BUT MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU CAN FIND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON PLANNING COMMISSION PROCEDURES ON THE BACK OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA. [1. JUNIPER COAST HOMES - CT 2023-0005/PUD 2023-0007/CDP 2023-0058] I'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. FIRST HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS HAD ANY EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM? YEAH. COMMISSIONER MERZ. YEAH, I VISITED THE SITE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MEENES. I VISITED THE SITE AS WELL. COMMISSIONER STINE. I VISITED THE SITE. I TOO HAVE VISITED THE SITE. MR. STRONG, WOULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THIS ITEM? YES. THANK YOU. ON THIS EVENING'S DOCKET, WE HAVE ONE AGENDA ITEM. THIS FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS JUNIPER COAST HOMES. HERE TO PRESENT THE ITEM IS KYLE VAN LEEUWEN. THANK YOU, MR. STRONG AND GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE JUNIPER COAST HOME'S REQUEST FOR A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP PLAN, DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. [00:05:06] THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 270 JUNIPER AVENUE, ON A SITE THAT IS 0.869 ACRES IN SIZE IN THE R3 GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION. R3 ZONING IN THE MELLO 2 SEGMENT OF THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AND WITHIN THE BEACH AREA OVERLAY ZONE. EXCUSE ME. THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO DEMOLITION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF SEVEN NEW STRUCTURES. THESE ARE 21 THREE STORY CONDOMINIUMS. THE PROJECT INCLUDES A REQUEST FOR DENSITY BONUS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT AND IN EXCHANGE FOR DEDICATING ONE UNIT TO A VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. IN LINE WITH DENSITY BONUS LAW THERE IS ALSO A ONE CONCESSION REQUEST AND EIGHT WAIVERS FROM DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF SEVEN NEW STRUCTURES FIVE TRIPLEXES, ONE DUPLEX AND ONE FOUR UNIT BUILDING. THERE ARE THREE FLOOR PLANS TWO CAR GARAGES FOR EACH UNIT, WITH SEVEN OF THOSE GARAGES IN TANDEM DESIGN. FIVE GUEST PARKING SPACES, ONE LOADING ZONE SPACE AND ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE FIRE TURNAROUND REQUIRED FOR FIRE SAFETY. IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY BONUS, THE BASE CALCULATION OF DENSITY FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD ALLOW FOR 20 UNITS. OF THOSE 20 UNITS, ONE IS DEDICATED FOR A VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLD, OR 5% OF THE BASE DENSITY UNITS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A 20% DENSITY BONUS. THIS 20% DENSITY BONUS WOULD ALLOW FOR UP TO FOUR ADDITIONAL UNITS. THE PROJECT ONLY PROPOSES ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT FOR A TOTAL OF 21 UNITS. THE CONCESSION REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT IS A CONCESSION TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE CURRENT WATER MAIN SERVICING THE PROPERTY BE UPSIZED FROM SIX INCH WATER MAIN TO AN EIGHT INCH WATER MAIN. THERE WERE STUDIES CONDUCTED TO SHOW THAT THE EXISTING WATER MAIN DOES PROVIDE FIRE WATER FLOW TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING FIRE SAFETY. THERE ARE A TOTAL OF EIGHT WAIVERS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THEY INCLUDE WAIVER OF THE 20 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK, A WAIVER OF THE TEN FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK, WAIVER OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE TO BE PROVIDED AT A RATE OF 150FT² PER UNIT, A WAIVER OF THE TEN FOOT MINIMUM BUILDING SEPARATIONS, AS SOME OF THE UPPER PORTIONS OF THE BUILDINGS DO ENCROACH CLOSER THAN TEN FEET TO EACH OTHER. THERE IS ALSO A WAIVER FOR ON THE LIMIT OF NUMBER OF TANDEM GARAGE SPACES, WHICH IS 25%, I BELIEVE IT'S 34% PROPOSED, A WAIVER OF YARD INTRUSION LIMITS FOR PLANTER BOXES, WHICH IS PART OF THEIR WATER RETENTION STRATEGY FOR THE PROJECT. A WAIVER OF VISITOR PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOUR UNIT BUILDING, AND A WAIVER OF THE LIMIT ON COMPACT VISITOR SPACES FOR A PROJECT. HERE IS A COUPLE OF ELEVATIONS SHOWING THE THE MATERIALS AND COLOR SCHEME. THIS INCLUDES GABLE ROOFS AND BALCONIES OFF THE SECOND AND SOME THIRD FLOORS. PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS INCLUDE WHITE AND DEEP GRAY SAND, STUCCO FINISH, LIGHT AND DARK GRAY VERTICAL METAL PANELS WITH AREAS OF BLACK STACKED BLOCK AND PVC CLADDING WITH DOORS AND METAL BALCONY RAILINGS IN BLACK. AND HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS SHOWING THE SITING OF THE PROJECT. AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND ALL REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR THE THREE DISCRETIONARY PERMITS, INCLUDING THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BASED ON FINDINGS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, AND STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? COMMISSIONER STINE. YES. MR. VAN LEEUWEN WOULD YOU COMMENT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS APPLICANT'S CONTRIBUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ONE UNIT. THERE'S ALSO PAYMENT OF FEES. WOULD YOU DETAIL THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US, PLEASE? SURE. SO FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS 21 TOTAL UNITS, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 15% OF THAT AS INCLUSIONARY HOUSING. FOR PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE MORE THAN SEVEN BUT LESS THAN 50 I BELIEVE THERE IS THE OPTION OF PURCHASING AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREDITS PER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREDIT BANK WHICH THEY ARE OPTING TO DO FOR TWO OF THE THREE REQUIRED UNITS, THE THIRD BEING THE LOW, VERY LOW INCOME UNIT THAT THEY PROPOSED FOR THE DENSITY BONUS. OKAY. ROUGHLY HOW MUCH IS IS THE CONTRIBUTION FOR THOSE TWO? CAN YOU GIVE ME A DOLLAR FIGURE OR GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE? SURE. THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, I BELIEVE IT'S $116,000 FOR THE TAVARUA CREDITS. IS THAT FOR FOR THE TWO COMBINED? THAT IS PER UNIT, SO TWO OF TWO OF THOSE. [00:10:04] IT'S $116,000 A PIECE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER STINE, THE THE AMOUNT THAT KYLE IS REPORTING IS REFLECTED IN OUR CURRENT MASTER FEE SCHEDULE. AND THAT IS UPDATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO THAT FEE IS SUBJECT TO BE EVALUATED AND POTENTIALLY UPDATED AS PART OF THE ADOPTION OF THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE. BUT THE CURRENT PUBLISHED RATE IS $116,000 PER UNIT. OKAY. AND SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHERE DOES THAT GO? DOES THAT GO INTO A POOL OF SOME TYPE THAT THE CITY USES TO PROMOTE OR PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? HOW DOES THAT WORK? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEX IS BUILT, AND THAT COSTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OUT OF THE FUND, AND THESE FUNDS WOULD REPLACE THAT OVERALL FUND SO THAT ANOTHER PROJECT COULD POSSIBLY BE BUILT, ESSENTIALLY PAYING BACK WHAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY PUT INTO BUILDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER MEENES. YEAH, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. KYLE, COULD YOU EXPLAIN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE IN REGARD TO THIS PROJECT IS ASKING FOR EIGHT WAIVERS. AS TO THE NUMBERS OR PROBABLY LARGER NUMBERS THAN I'VE SEEN IN RECENT DAYS ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, THREE, MAYBE FOUR, WHATEVER. GIVEN THAT THERE ARE EIGHT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, COULD YOU KIND OF WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT REGARDING ONE HOW THE WAIVERS WORK? AND SECOND OF ALL, IN REGARD TO THESE WAIVERS THEMSELVES? SURE. SO THE WAIVERS THAT A NUMBER OF WAIVERS ARE ALLOWED WITH A DENSITY BONUS PROJECT ARE UNLIMITED, BUT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO SHOW HOW ENFORCEMENT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT STANDARD WOULD ESSENTIALLY EAT INTO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPOSED UNITS. SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED ALL OF THESE REQUESTS AND THERE IS A A CONNECTION BETWEEN ENFORCING THOSE STANDARDS AND ESSENTIALLY MORE ROOM BEING EATEN UP THAT'S NOT UNITS. SO THEY ARE AGAIN FROM, FROM STAFF'S REVIEW, THE VALID WAIVERS. WHEN IT COMES TO THE NUMBER A LITTLE BIT PROPORTIONAL TO THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS APPLIED TO A PROJECT. SO FOR A APARTMENT COMPLEX, JUST THE REGULAR R3 STANDARDS WOULD APPLY TO THIS PROJECT. BECAUSE THIS IS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT IT ALSO HAS THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH IS A WHOLE NOTHER SECTION IN THE ZONING CODE, WHICH ADDS ANOTHER 2 OR 3 DOZEN STANDARDS. SO PROPORTIONATELY TO THE NUMBER OF STANDARDS APPLIED, YOU CAN ALMOST EXPECT TO SEE THAT NUMBER GO UP. SO AGAIN, IF THIS WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, IT WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO HOW IT WAS BUILT, AND WE WOULD LIKELY SEE LESS WAIVERS. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION. COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR KAMENJARIN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. ONCE AGAIN, I'M JONATHAN FRANKEL, VICE PRESIDENT OF FORWARD PLANNING WITH RINCON HOMES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING OF THE JUNIPER COAST HOMES PROJECT. I THINK, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, RINCON HOMES, WE ARE LOCAL HERE, BASED IN CARLSBAD, AND WE HAVE DONE LOTS OF WORK IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY WITHIN THIS SUBMARKET. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DELIVER ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT HERE IN THE BEACH AREA OVERLAY ZONE. A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. ONE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DELIVER TWO BEDROOM FOR SALE UNITS. IT'S A PRETTY UNIQUE PRODUCT TYPE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE TWO BEDROOM UNITS. OBVIOUSLY, THOSE ARE NATURALLY MORE AFFORDABLE. WE HAVE THE ONE AFFORDABLE UNIT THAT WILL BE RESERVED SET ASIDE FOR VERY LOW INCOME FAMILIES. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF TWO BEDROOM UNITS THAT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY AT A MORE REASONABLE COST. WE ALSO HAVE A REALLY GREAT DESIGN HERE THAT WE THINK INCORPORATES A WIDE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND COLORS. SO IT WILL BE VERY ATTRACTIVE ON A SITE WHICH I KNOW MOST OF YOU HAVE VISITED. YOU'VE SEEN IT'S COMPLETELY UNDERUTILIZED TODAY. IT'S ALSO SURROUNDED COMPLETELY BY EXISTING MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS ON ALL SIDES. SO THIS IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA. SO AGAIN, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. OUR DESIGN TEAM IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER STINE? YES, BRIEFLY. WITH REGARD TO THE WAIVERS. WITH REGARD TO COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY IN THIS COMPLEX, ANY AREA FOR [00:15:06] SOCIAL GATHERINGS OR ANY COMMUNITY RECREATION AT ALL, OR IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SMALLER THAN IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE? SO THERE ARE PRIVATE RECREATIONAL AREAS THAT WILL BE CAPABLE OF HOSTING GATHERINGS. HOWEVER, THE REQUIREMENT IN THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR THE CONDO DEVELOPMENT IS TO HAVE A COMMON AREA. WE COULDN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT AND ALSO FIT ALL THE UNITS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED BY STATE LAW. SO THERE WILL NOT BE COMMON RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN THIS PROJECT. OKAY. AND THE TRADE OFF IS THAT THE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THEY OTHERWISE WOULD BE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO DEDICATE ROOM FOR A COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE. THE TRADE OFF IS YEAH, THAT THERE WILL BE A GREATER NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CAN BE FIT AND ACCOMMODATED ON THE SITE. OKAY. AND THEN THE THE ONES I HAD CONCERNING SEVEN AND EIGHT VISITOR PARKING AND GUEST PARKING. PARKING IS A PROBLEM IN THIS AREA. CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME SENSE ON WHY YOU'RE SEEKING WAIVERS THERE FOR SEVEN AND EIGHT? SURE. VERY SIMPLY, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO FIT ALL OF THE UNITS AND ACCOMMODATE ALL THE REQUIRED PARKING. HOWEVER, THE REQUEST IS TO ELIMINATE ONE PARKING SPACE, SO THE WAIVER RESULTS IN ONE FEWER VISITOR SPACE THAN WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED. SO THERE STILL ARE A NUMBER OF VISITOR SPACES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR SITE PLAN, WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING A LOT OF PARKING AND STORAGE FOR VEHICLES, THAT REALLY CUTS INTO THE LIVABLE SPACE AND THE AND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOUSING UNITS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF THIS APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, LET'S OPEN PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE? NO, CHAIR, THERE IS NOT. THANK YOU. WOULD STAFF LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED, EITHER EARLIER OF YOURSELF OR THE APPLICANT? NO, AND NOT UNLESS ANY OF THE OTHER CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT THE WAIVERS AND PARKING IS NEEDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? COMMISSIONER MEENES. YEAH, I DO HAVE STAFF AND POSSIBLY MIGHT BE I DON'T SEE JASON GILDER HERE TONIGHT, BUT MAYBE OUR OTHER PUBLIC WORKS INDIVIDUAL MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. AND THAT IS IN REGARD TO THE CURRENT SITE AND THE DRAINAGE THAT THAT SITE HAS. BEING THAT IT'S BASICALLY UNIMPROVED. AND BECAUSE IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE GRADING, AND THE GRADING AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE ABOUT FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN IT IS CURRENTLY. AND AND I ASSUME THAT'S IN REGARD TO DRAINAGE AS WELL AS SOME OTHER REASONS THAT IS THE CASE SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN? YES. THEY ARE RAISING THE PAD, AND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT IS TO OBTAIN DRAINAGE TO JUNIPER AVENUE. CURRENTLY, DRAINAGE FLOWS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S CROSS LOT DRAINAGE BY DOING THIS. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING IT TO A GRADE THAT WILL PROVIDE THE MINIMUM GRADE NEEDED ON THE SURFACE TO GET TO JUNIPER AVENUE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PURPOSES FOR RAISING THE PAD OTHER THAN THAT, BUT THAT IS THE MAIN REASON THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MERZ, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF IMPORT. I REMEMBER I KIND OF JUMPED OUT. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF IMPORT. SO THE IMPORT OF THE SOIL IS JUST TO RAISE THE GRADE TO CREATE THE FLOW TOWARDS THE MINIMUM DRAINAGE TO JUNIPER STREET. THAT'S CORRECT. OR. YEAH. OH, INTERESTING. OKAY. IT'S ABOUT 2700YD³. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? SEEING NONE, LET'S OPEN A COMMISSION DISCUSSION. WOULD ANY COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM? I'LL GO FIRST. IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT, MR. STINE. TIME MARCHES ON, AND THIS IS A PURE EXAMPLE OF IT. IT'S REAL TIGHT. THIS WHOLE PROJECT, I THINK, IS EXTREMELY TIGHT. ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAIVERS. IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. FRANKEL, ON THAT. BUT LIKE I SAID, I JUST THINK IT'S TOO MUCH FOR TOO SMALL A SPACE. COMMISSIONER STINE. YES. I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IN LIGHT OF THE NUMBER OF EMAILS WE'VE RECEIVED, WHICH ARE HIGHLY CRITICAL OF THIS PROJECT. I WAS GOING THROUGH THERE AND TRYING TO GET A THEME OF THE CRITICISM, AND ONE IT'S TOO DENSE. [00:20:03] WELL, STATE LAW PREVAILS HERE, AND THE DENSITY BONUS IS NOT MUCH WE CAN DO THERE. THE OTHER ISSUES SEEMS TO BE THAT OF TRAFFIC AND PARKING. NOW, NO APPLICANT IS OBLIGATED TO CURE PREEXISTING PROBLEMS IN THE AREA, AND THEY'RE PREEXISTING ISSUES IN THE AREA, TRAFFIC AND PARKING. SO I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT ONE OF THE WAIVERS IS FOR VISITOR PARKING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE SPACE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO A PREEXISTING PROBLEM THERE. BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN'T SETTLE THE APPLICANT WITH CURING A PREEXISTING PROBLEM. SO THIS HAS TO BE EVALUATED ACCORDING TO STATE LAW, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH. DENSITY BONUSES AND WAIVERS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE MUCH DISCRETION ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABSENT OF FINDING OF HEALTH SAFETY VIOLATIONS, HEALTH SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS, IF THE APPLICATION WAS APPROVED AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE HERE, I DON'T SEE ANY HEALTH SAFETY THING THAT I COULD PUT MY FINGER ON TO SAY, NO, WE CAN'T APPROVE IT, OR WE CAN'T APPROVE WAIVERS OR WE CAN'T APPROVE THE DENSITY BECAUSE OF THAT. I DON'T SEE THAT. SO YOU KNOW, SOME ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT, SOME LEGITIMATE PUBLIC CONCERNS. BUT BUT ALL IN ALL, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT. AND I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MEENES. COMMISSIONER STINE ALSO MADE THE COMMENT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE LETTERS AND COMMENTS MADE BY THE NEIGHBORS. PRIMARILY MOST OF IT IS PROBABLY ALL PARKING RELATED. BUT THE STREET ITSELF AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE ON THE STREET FROM GARFIELD EAST IS THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSING FOR A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF STREET PARKING. AND SO I CAN FULLY APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS THAT MAYBE MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE. IN REGARD TO THE THE PROJECT ITSELF, I THINK THAT, YES, IT IS PROBABLY EXTREMELY DENSE. BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, STATE LAW DOES GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE LAW AND, AND THE REGULATIONS REGARDING ZONING AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, LEGISLATION FROM SACRAMENTO. SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH OF A CHOICE. BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY, AT LEAST FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, THE PROJECT IS IS WELL DESIGNED. YOU'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON BEING ABLE TO SITE ALL THE VARIOUS STRUCTURES ON THE SITE. SO I AGAIN FEEL THE SAME WAY, AND THAT I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD PROJECT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MERZ. YEAH, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THE EXCELLENT COMMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER MEENES AND COMMISSIONER STINE, YOU GUYS MADE WONDERFUL POINTS, AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU GUYS SAID. I THINK ARCHITECTURE IS A VERY NICE PROJECT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I DO APPRECIATE ABOUT THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THREE KIDS IN THEIR 20S, YOU KNOW, AND HOUSING ISSUES. I MEAN, I THINK THAT OFFERING I THINK A BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT IS OFFERING UNITS WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND PUTTING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT TYPE OUT THERE THAT GIVES SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE, WHICH IS RARE, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. I TEND TO AGREE. IT IS A TIGHT PROJECT, BUT I THINK THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT TOO, IS THAT IT ALSO PROVIDES MORE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE TOO, AND THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT. SO YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT AND ALSO I THINK ARCHITECTURE IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING PROJECT. I WOULD SUPPORT THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HUBINGER. I'LL KEEP IT SHORT. I MEAN, WE NEED HOUSING. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IF THEY MET ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, IT IS TIGHT. IF IT'S TOO TIGHT, THE MARKETPLACE WILL CORRECT BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH BUYING THEM. BUT THEY'VE MET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. IT'S A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING. AND AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO REPRESENT THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING RIGHT NOW AND NOT FORGET THAT THOSE PEOPLE EXIST. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER DANNA. YES. I MOSTLY AGREE WITH A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMISSION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION EVEN THOUGH THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE IT TO CONSIDER LIMITING SHORT TERM RENTALS WITHIN THE CCNR DOCUMENTS WHEN THAT OPPORTUNITY COMES AROUND, IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. BUT OTHERWISE I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. I WANT TO KYLE, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. WHEN WE HAD THE BRIEFING THIS WEEK, I REALIZED HOW DIFFICULT YOUR JOB MUST REALLY BE HAVING TO BALANCE COMPETING INTERESTS WITH THE [00:25:01] REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY FURTHER, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER MEENES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. AND HOW ABOUT A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MEENES AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MERZ ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE VOTE. THE MOTION PASSES SIX, SIX, ZERO. AND WITH COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY ABSENT. THANK YOU ALL. WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MIC] IS THERE A REPORT FROM ANY [PLANNING COMMISSIONER REPORT] COMMISSIONER TONIGHT'S HEARING? GOOD. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COLLEGIALITY. I THINK THIS IS A, TO ME, THIS IS A TOUGH CHOICE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE RIGHT THING UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. I WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES THE BEST OF HOLIDAYS. [CITY PLANNER REPORT] IS THERE A REPORT FROM THE CITY PLANNER? SIMILAR TO YOUR REMARKS, WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND A SAFE INTRODUCTION TO THE NEXT YEAR. THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING OF THE 2025 CALENDAR YEAR WILL BE CANCELED BECAUSE IT FALLS ON A HOLIDAY. SO THE NEXT MEETING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MEET TO CONVENE BUSINESSES JANUARY 15TH. AND ON THE AGENDA, WE DO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT PROPOSAL. WE'RE SCHEDULED TO PRESENT INFORMATION ABOUT THE CEQA PROCESS AND PROSPECTIVE CHANGES TO CHAPTER 1904 THAT WOULD CHANGE THE DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY FOR EXEMPTIONS, MAKING DECISIONS ON EXEMPTIONS. AND THEN ALSO IS THE ADOPTION OF THE 2025 CALENDAR AND ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. SO WITH THAT AGAIN HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. [CITY ATTORNEY REPORT] THANK YOU. IS THERE A REPORT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY? NO, BUT I WISH EACH OF YOU A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND THANK YOU ALL FOR A WONDERFUL 2024, IT'S BEEN A GREAT YEAR WITH EACH OF YOU. I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.