Mar 18, 2025 City Council Meeting

[CALL TO ORDER]

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IT'S 5:00. I'M CALLING TONIGHT'S MEETING TO ORDER.

PLEASE TAKE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. NEXT IS THE PLEDGE OF MS. ACOSTA. WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? THE FLAG IS RIGHT THERE. PLEASE RECITE WITH ME.

. NEXT IS A REPORT OUT ON CLOSED SESSION CITY ATTORNEY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THERE WAS NO REPORTABLE ACTION.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE TO READ THE FOLLOWING.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ALSO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS RELATE TO THE QUESTION OR MATTER UNDER CONSIDERATION.

INFORMATION ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING IS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED NONAGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

NO ACTION MAY OCCUR ON ANY NON-AGENDA ITEMS WHEN MAKING YOUR COMMENTS.

PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.

WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH THE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY, AND THAT THE CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED.

THE CLERK WILL CALL YOUR NAME. PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AT THE 2.5 MINUTE MARK.

THE LIGHT ON THE PODIUM WILL TURN YELLOW, GIVING YOU A NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE 30S LEFT AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR THREE MINUTES.

I'VE ASKED THE CITY CLERK, TO TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE.

THAT WAY EVERYBODY GETS EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO SPEAK.

PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. MIKE BORRELLO, FOLLOWED BY ORION BY PAGE CASINO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WATER AGAIN TONIGHT. APRIL 22ND, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A HEARING TO TO BASICALLY DISCUSS THESE WATER RATE INCREASES THAT WE'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW. WE RECEIVED A BROCHURE THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PROTESTING.

BASICALLY, CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD GET TO HAVE A VOTE AND THEY SEND IN A LETTER OF PROTEST AND THEN AT THE END THEY DETERMINE WHETHER THEY HAVE A MAJORITY OF PROTESTS. IT'S 50% PLUS ONE ACCORDING TO SOMEONE'S INTERPRETATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS, IF IT'S A CITY OR IF THEY GOT THAT FROM THE ATTORNEY OR THE ATTORNEY GOT IT FROM THE STATE OR THE COUNTY.

BUT IF YOU READ THE CONSTITUTION, THIS IS ARTICLE 13, PART D, SECTION 682.

IT READS IF WRITTEN, PROTESTS AGAINST THE PROPOSED FEE OR CHARGE ARE PRESENTED BY A MAJORITY OF OWNERS OF THE IDENTIFIED PARCELS, THE AGENCY SHALL NOT IMPOSE THE FEE OR CHARGE.

NOW THEY DON'T IDENTIFY WHAT MAJORITY IS. THEY DON'T DEFINE THAT AT ALL.

SO THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOUR INTERPRETATION. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THIS INTERPRETATION OF 50% PLUS ONE.

I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ACTUALLY, INTO PSYCHOLOGY AND SOCIOLOGY.

THAT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE THRESHOLD TO MEET. SO IT FAILS FROM THE START.

YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE THAT HEARING BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY FAILED. THAT'S JUST A SHAM HEARING.

SO WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO AND WHAT I PROPOSE, I SENT YOU A LETTER, AN EMAIL LAST WEEK YOU NEED TO CONSIDER RATHER THAN RECEIVING JUST LETTERS OF PROTEST, YOU RECEIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT AS WELL AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU WEIGH THOSE TWO AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND THAT'S A FAIR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAN ASSUMING THAT LETTERS YOU DON'T RECEIVE OR SENTIMENT YOU DON'T RECEIVE HIS LETTER, HIS SUPPORT OF THE RESOLUTION. SO AND I'D LIKE TO SEE ALSO WE PAY FOR ATTORNEYS IN THE CITY THEY REALLY SHOULD BE PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT.

WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING THESE PASS THROUGH CHARGES.

WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING BACK. WE MAKE OUR OWN WATER HERE AT POSEIDON FACILITY.

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THE LAST THING I WANT TO BRING UP IS THE WASTEWATER.

HISTORY IS REPLETE WITH GOOD IDEAS. THERE IS RADIUM.

IN THE EARLY 1900S, EVERYBODY WAS SMEARING THAT ALL OVER THEIR BODY AND GETTING CANCER FROM IT.

THEY EVENTUALLY FIGURED OUT, INCLUDING ITS INVENTOR 1930S PORTUGUESE NEUROLOGIST.

HE PROMOTED THE LOBOTOMY. ACTUALLY GOT THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR IT 19 YEARS LATER.

WELL, WE KNOW HOW THAT ONE TURNED OUT. AND THEN THE 1950S, THE [INAUDIBLE].

MIC]. PAGE D'ASCINO. HI. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. I'M PAIGE D'ASCINO.

HOLD ON. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CARLSBAD SIERRA CLUB TEAM.

HOLD ON. I'M HAVING TROUBLE GETTING MY. OKAY.

NEXT WEEK, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO. YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING A REPORT ABOUT MERKEL RESERVOIR.

SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO BE VOTING ON WHETHER TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP ON CREATING A SOLAR PLUS STORAGE PROJECT AT THE SITE.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE FULLY BEHIND BECAUSE IT GIVES THE CITY MORE LOCAL RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT HELPS THE CUSTOMERS BY PAYING LESS IN COST FOR DELIVERY COSTS, CLEANER ENERGY, AND MORE RESILIENCY FOR THE CITY.

SO WE'RE TOTALLY BEHIND THAT. BUT WE'RE ALSO ASKING YOU TO REVISIT THE ORION SAFETY CENTER CAMPUS PROJECT THAT IN 2018, THE CITY COUNCIL, NONE OF YOU WERE ON AT THAT.

MAYBE YOU WERE MAYOR. ANYWAY, UNANIMOUSLY THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, BUT BECAUSE THE COST WAS KIND OF TABLED.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AND I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S UNDERGOING SOME KIND OF RENOVATION.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET A UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT A MICROGRID COULD BE INCLUDED THERE.

THAT WOULD INCREASE HIS CLEAN ENERGY AND, AGAIN, RESILIENCY FOR THE CITY AS IT ACTS AS NOT ONLY JUST FOR GENERAL USE, BUT FOR EMERGENCY USE IN THE FUTURE. SO WE HOPE YOU CAN ASK THE CITY STAFF FOR A REPORT ON THAT.

THANK YOU. CHRISTINA MCGOLDRICK.

I'M READY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINA MCGOLDRICK AND I HAVE BEEN A HOMEOWNER AND TAXPAYER IN DISTRICT TWO FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS.

MY HUSBAND AND I ARE RAISING OUR THREE SONS WHO ATTEND SCHOOLS IN THE CARLSBAD UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER PRIORITIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF CITY CODE AND STATUTORY REGULATIONS REGARDING CHICKENS AND ROOSTERS IN CARLSBAD. I FURTHER REQUEST THAT THIS MATTER BE EXPEDITED AND ADDED AS AN AGENDA ITEM WITHIN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 2025 CALENDAR YEAR.

WE HAVE AN ONGOING NOISE DISTURBANCE CAUSED BY A ROOSTER IN THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BEHIND US.

THE ROOSTER CROWS LOUDLY AND IS SIGNIFICANTLY DISRUPTING OUR ABILITY TO SLEEP, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS ABILITY TO SLEEP AS WORKING PROFESSIONALS AND PARENTS OF SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN. UNINTERRUPTED SLEEP IS ESSENTIAL TO OUR WELLBEING AND DAILY RESPONSIBILITIES.

RESEARCH CONSISTENTLY HIGHLIGHTS THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OF SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND THE SUSTAINED NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON QUALITY OF LIFE.

JUST THIS MORNING, THE ROOSTER CROWED 32 TIMES BY 6:31AM BEFORE THE SUNRISE. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT A ROOSTER IS NOT NECESSARY FOR EGG PRODUCTION.

ROOSTERS FREQUENTLY EXCEED PERMISSIBLE NOISE LEVELS, AND THE CONTINUOUS CROWING OF ROOSTERS CAN LEAD TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONFLICTS, WHICH ARE PREVENTABLE AND UNNECESSARY. CARLSBAD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE FIRST CITY IN CALIFORNIA TO IMPLEMENT A PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL BACKYARD CHICKENS, WITH A CITY CODE EXPLICITLY PROHIBITING ROOSTERS.

THE CITY OF AURORA, COLORADO, HAS ESTABLISHED A SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD, AND COMPREHENSIVE CHICKEN PERMIT PROGRAM THAT COULD SERVE AS A MODEL.

I EMAILED THE WEB PAGE AND APPLICATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND MANAGER THIS MORNING.

IF IMPLEMENTED IN CARLSBAD, A CHICKEN PERMIT PROGRAM WOULD PROVIDE A STANDARDIZED REGULATORY FRAMEWORK THAT ESTABLISHES CLEAR GUIDELINES FOR RESIDENTIAL BACKYARD CHICKEN OWNERSHIP, INCLUDING A CITY CODE, STRUCTURAL AND LOCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR COOPS TO INCLUDE MINIMUM DISTANCES AWAY FROM ABUTTING FENCES,

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ONCE AGAIN, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND MANAGER PRIORITIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF CITY CODE AND STATUTORY REGULATIONS REGARDING CHICKENS AND ROOSTERS IN CARLSBAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

MA'AM, WILL YOU PLEASE TALK WITH JEFF MURPHY? HE'S THE ONE WAVING HIS ARM. HE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT MORE DETAIL.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS. THANK YOU.

NEXT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD FEBRUARY 25TH OF 25 AND THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD MARCH 4TH OF 25.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER SIX.

[6. ORDINANCE AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE TO ADD A CITYWIDE CODE OF CONDUCT CHAPTER – Introduction of an ordinance amending Carlsbad Municipal Code Chapter 2.16 related to the Board of Library Trustees and the citywide code of conduct and adding Carlsbad Municipal Code Chapter 11.33 – Citywide Code of Conduct for Public Facilities, Services, Programs and Events. (Staff contact: Kyle Lancaster, Community Services) ]

KYLE LANCASTER, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND TO MY RIGHT IS MARISSA KAWECKI DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

AND TO HER RIGHT, SUZANNE SMITHSON, LIBRARIAN, CULTURAL ARTS DIRECTOR.

FOR BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM, THE CITY STRIVES TO PROVIDE A SAFE, ORDERLY AND WELCOMING COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT IN ITS PARKS, LIBRARIES AND OTHER FACILITIES USED BY THE PUBLIC, AS WELL AS IN ITS PROGRAMS, SERVICES AND EVENTS.

IN RECENT YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE INCIDENTS OF DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR BY VISITORS THAT HAVE AFFECTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

USE AND ENJOYMENT OF OUR FACILITIES ALSO IMPACTED THE CITY STAFF'S ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES AND RAISED SAFETY CONCERNS.

THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD MODIFY LANGUAGE IN CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 2.16 RELATED TO THE BOARD OF LIBRARY TRUSTEES.

CLARIFYING THE ADMINISTRATION OF CHAPTER 11.33 IS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE.

THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALSO MODIFY LANGUAGE RELATED TO THE CHAPTER 11.33 AFOREMENTIONED CITY WIDE CODE OF CONDUCT FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES, SERVICES, PROGRAMS, AND EVENTS SO ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN ACCESS CITY RESOURCES FREE FROM UNWANTED DISTURBANCES, AND ALL CITY STAFF CAN EFFECTIVELY CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

SPECIFIC TO THAT CODE OF CONDUCT. CHAPTER 11.33 PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING PROVISIONS.

THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE NOTICES OF SUSPENSION.

THE DURATION OF SUSPENSIONS. THE CONTENT OF A NOTICE OF SUSPENSION.

THE CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATING A NOTICE OF SUSPENSION.

THE RIGHT TO APPEAL SUSPENSIONS GREATER THAN SEVEN DAYS AND THE STEPS TO BE FOLLOWED IF THERE IS A REQUEST FOR ACCOMMODATION IN THE APPEALS PROCESS. COUPLED WITH THIS, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER PROVIDING FOR THE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE USE OF THESE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND THE USE OR PARTICIPATION IN PUBLIC SERVICES, PROGRAMS AND EVENTS, AND TAKE SUCH ACTION NECESSARY TO PRESERVE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

ALONG WITH THE CODE OF CONDUCT, STAFF IS PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT AN UNINTENDED PROPERTY POLICY FOR CITY FACILITIES.

THIS IS BASICALLY RELATED TO CATEGORIES OF UNATTENDED PROPERTY AND THE APPLICABLE METHODS OF SECURING THAT PROPERTY.

IT PROVIDES A PROCEDURE FOR WHEN SOMEONE REFUSES TO ABIDE BY THAT POLICY AFTER BEING INFORMED OF IT,

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HOWEVER, WITH SUCH WITHOUT SUCH AN ORDINANCE, THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE LIMITED AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE ADMINISTRATIVE SUSPENSIONS AND MAY INCUR LEGAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH CIVIL ENFORCEMENT OF VIOLATIONS OF ADMINISTRATIVE SUSPENSIONS.

NEXT STEPS, CITY CLERK WILL PREPARE A ORDINANCE FOR ADOPTION.

ONCE ADOPTED, THE CITY CLERK WILL PUBLISH THE ORDINANCE OR A SUMMARY OF IT WITHIN 15 DAYS AND FINALLY, THE ORDINANCE WILL BE EFFECTIVE 30 DAYS FOLLOWING ITS ADOPTION, AND THE CITY MANAGER WOULD THEN ISSUE THE CORRESPONDING ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER.

THAT BRINGS US TO THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR TONIGHT.

INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 2.16 RELATED TO THE BOARD OF LIBRARY TRUSTEES AND THE CITY WIDE CODE OF CONDUCT AND ADDING CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, CHAPTER 11.33 CITYWIDE CODE OF CONDUCT FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES, SERVICES, PROGRAMS AND EVENTS. WITH THAT, WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ITEM SIX? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. MAYOR. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY AND FOR ALL THE RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO THIS.

OBVIOUSLY, IT IS NOT OKAY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE HARASSED OR FOR FOLKS TO HARASS OTHER RESIDENTS OR USERS OF OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES.

SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING OUR FACILITIES IN GOOD FAITH AND NOT HARMING THE ATMOSPHERE FOR OTHERS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SUCH A POLICY BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AND LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THIS.

MRS. BHAT-PATEL. YES, THANK YOU. JUST SIMILARLY WANTED TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF GRATITUDE FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF THIS TYPE OF UNFORTUNATE HARASSMENT IN THE PAST, AND SO JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING SOMETHING THAT ENSURES THAT NOT ONLY OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT ALSO OUR RESIDENTS ARE PROTECTED.

THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE IT. MOVE THE ITEM.

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THAT'S AN ORDINANCE FOR ADOPTION.

[7. ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 8 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE TO ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS RELATED TO PEOPLE LIVING IN VEHICLES – Adoption of an ordinance amending Carlsbad Municipal Code Chapter 8.36, Section 8.36.020 to address quality of life concerns related to homelessness and people living in vehicles. (Staff contact: Faviola Medina, City Manager) ]

PLEASE CALL HIM. CHRIS DURNAN AND MARIAN VARGA CLANCY.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. I'M HERE TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS CHRIS DURNAN, BY THE WAY, AND I'VE BEEN LIVING IN CARLSBAD FOR 37 YEARS.

I'M ALSO THE CO-COORDINATOR OF A PROGRAM CALLED SHOWERS OF BLESSINGS, A HOMELESS OUTREACH PROGRAM WHICH IS LOCATED ON MADISON STREET HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. ON TUESDAYS, WE HAVE PROVIDED HOT SHOWERS AND MANY OTHER NECESSITIES TO OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS IN CARLSBAD.

A PORTION OF THESE PEOPLE LIVE IN THEIR CARS.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW OUR RULES, GET A SHOWER AND SOME MUCH NEEDED FOOD AND SERVICES, AND JUST NEED A SAFE PLACE TO SIT AND SOCIALIZE FOR A FEW HOURS.

IN TALKING WITH OUR CAR DWELLERS AND IN READING THE ARTICLES IN THE NEWSPAPER, THEY ARE BEING TARGETED TO MOVE OUT OF THE AREA, EVEN THOUGH THEY DILIGENTLY TRY TO HELP CLEAN UP THE AREAS THEY LIVE IN AND JUST WANT TO STAY IN THE AREA THAT THEY FEEL SAFE IN.

CARLSBAD IS A SAFE PLACE. I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WAY TOO.

ENCINITAS AND OCEANSIDE AND OTHER CITIES. NO.

SO IF YOU'RE BENT ON EVICTING THEM OUT OF THE CITY, THEN HOW ABOUT YOU FIRST OFFER THEM A SAFE PLACE TO GO, LIKE A SAFE PARKING LOT? ENCINITAS AND OCEANSIDE IN OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE RECEIVED TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGE OF HOMELESSNESS. THE CITY SHOULD PARTNER WITH THE EXPERIENCED ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS JEWISH FAMILY SERVICES, SAN DIEGO MISSION OR ALPHA PROJECT, ALL OF WHICH CURRENTLY SUCCESSFULLY RUN SAFE PARKING LOT PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

A PERFECT LOCATION FOR THIS IS THE OLD FARMERS INSURANCE BUILDING PARKING LOT ON EL CAMINO REAL AND FARADAY.

WE NEED TO GIVE OUR CAR DWELLERS OPTIONS, BECAUSE KICKING THEM OUT OF OUR CITY, OR INSTEAD OF KICKING THEM OUT OF OUR CITY, OR IT JUST BECOMES ANOTHER CITY'S PROBLEM. AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO A SOLUTION.

A SAFE PARKING LOT IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE ABLE TO START WORKING WITH THESE FOLKS.

WE HAVE RESOURCE PEOPLE AND RESOURCES FOR THEM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BUT THE RESOURCE PEOPLE NEED A CENTRAL PLACE TO CONTACT ALL OF THESE FOLKS AND HELP THEM

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I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS IDEA AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO BANNING THEM FROM THE SAFE PLACES THEY'VE FOUND.

THANK YOU. MA'AM, WILL YOU PLEASE, IN A MOMENT? MANDY MILLS IS GOING TO COME OUT AND TALK TO YOU.

SHE CAN TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE THE LEAD UP.

WHAT? THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR.

OKAY. THANKS. MARIA VEGA CLANCY.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M MARIA VEGA CLANCY.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF NORTH COUNTY, SAN DIEGO.

I'M SPEAKING TODAY TO REQUEST THAT YOU AMEND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY OF A SAFE PARKING HAVEN IN CARLSBAD.

WE COMMEND THE CITY'S EFFORTS OF OUTREACH TO SUPPORT SERVICES TO UNHOUSED PEOPLE LIVING IN CARS.

HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THAT THE CITY'S SUCCESS IN ENFORCING A NO CAMPING ORDINANCE WILL DRIVE PEOPLE OUT OF CARLSBAD INTO OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND AWAY FROM THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.

WE BELIEVE THAT CARLSBAD'S SUPPORTIVE SERVICES WILL BE MORE SUCCESSFUL IF SAFE PARKING IS AVAILABLE.

THERE IS A LACK OF SUFFICIENT SHELTER CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN CARLSBAD AND CURRENT SAFE PARKING PROVIDERS SUCH AS JEWISH FAMILY SERVICES AND DREAMS FOR CHANGE INDICATE THAT SHELTER BEDS, EVEN WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE, ARE SOMETIMES DECLINED FOR REASONS SUCH AS ACCOMMODATING PETS OR FEARS FOR PERSONAL SAFETY WHILE THEY AWAIT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. SAFE PARKING PROGRAMS CAN MEET THOSE CONCERNS WHILE ALSO MEETING THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS.

WE URGE THE CITY TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE A SAFE PARKING ALTERNATIVE TO THE OPTIONS OFFERED TO PEOPLE LIVING IN CARS.

THE LEAGUE BELIEVES THAT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT HAVE A ROLE IN MEETING BASIC HUMAN NEEDS.

THE CITY CAN FILL AN IMPORTANT NEED BY PROVIDING A SAFE PARKING ALTERNATIVE UNTIL LONGER TERM SOLUTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, POSSIBLY UTILIZING CITY OWNED PROPERTY SUCH AS CITIES INCLUDING OCEANSIDE AND ENCINITAS HAVE DONE A VERY APPLICABLE IN THIS SITUATION IS WHAT IS POPULAR FOR CARLSBAD IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, AND WHAT IS RIGHT FOR CARLSBAD IS NOT ALWAYS POPULAR.

THERE IS NO NEED MORE BASIC FOR PEOPLE THAN SAFE SHELTER.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO FOR CARLSBAD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM. WILL YOU ALSO PLEASE TALK WITH MANDY MILLS? SHE'S RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR. SHE'S WEARING ALL BLACK. YES, I KNOW HER. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, MS. ACOSTA? THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO BRING UP, SINCE THE FOLKS WHO GAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CHANCE FOR AN AMENDMENT TONIGHT, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS. SO WE ARE PASSING THIS TONIGHT.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER HAVING A DISCUSSION, POSSIBLY AROUND A SAFE PARKING LOT.

BUT TONIGHT, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH WHERE WE APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE APPROVED AT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY ON THE TABLE FOR TONIGHT. WE HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS IN THE ROOM.

THESE STUDENTS WEREN'T HERE WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT FORWARD.

WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE TO ASK A STAFF MEMBER TO COME UP AND JUST GIVE A VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE PROCESS, THAT WE'RE NOT JUST WRITING TICKETS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE SLEEPING IN THEIR CAR, BUT THERE'S A DETAILED PROCESS.

I KNOW I'M PUTTING STAFF ON THE SPOT, BUT I'D LIKE THE STUDENTS TO AT LEAST GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR POLICE CHIEF, CHRISTIE CALDERWOOD, TO WALK US THROUGH WHAT WE'RE JUST BRIEFLY.

SO THEY HAVE AN IDEA. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL AND STUDENTS IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO WE WERE HERE LAST WEEK AND DID A JOINT PRESENTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES, AND MYSELF FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THE PRESENTATION WAS SPECIFIC TO INTRODUCING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TOOL IN THE MUNI CODE TO POTENTIALLY CITE PEOPLE FOR UNLAWFUL CAMPING IN THEIR VEHICLE.

DURING THAT PRESENTATION, WE ALSO WENT OVER ALL OF THE GRANTS THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED SPECIFIC TO PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES AND VEHICLE HABITATION. SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO GET PEOPLE CONNECTED TO RESOURCES.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROGRESSION. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMMEDIATE CITATION.

WE WILL OFFER THOSE RESOURCES. AND IF PEOPLE ARE REFUSING THE SERVICES AND CAUSING POTENTIAL ISSUES,

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WE CAN LEAD INTO ISSUING THOSE CITATIONS WITH THIS MUNI CODE.

THANK YOU. MOVE. ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

[8. CITY EMPLOYEE VACANCIES, RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION EFFORTS – Receive a presentation on the status of the city’s employee vacancies and recruitment and retention efforts. (Staff contact: Judy von Kalinowski, Administrative Services) ]

RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION EFFORTS. WE ARE RECEIVING A PRESENTATION ON THE STATUS OF THE CITY'S EMPLOYEE VACANCIES AND RECRUITMENT RETENTION EFFORTS, AND TO PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION. AS HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER PAUL HO AND HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR JUDY VON KALINOWSKI.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING TO ALL. TONIGHT, AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WE'LL BE PROVIDING AN INTRODUCTION TO A NEW LEGISLATION, AB 2561. AND WHAT IT BASICALLY REQUIRES IS THAT PUBLIC AGENCIES REPORT OUT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WHAT THEIR VACANCY RATES ARE. SHOULD THAT VACANCY RATE REACH 20%.

IT ALSO IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A PLAN. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS? WHAT ARE YOUR RECRUITMENT? WHAT ARE YOUR RETENTION EFFORTS ARE? BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I SAY WITH GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT THE CITY WILL NOT REACH A 20% VACANCY RATE.

WE HAVE GREAT SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL, FROM THE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE, AND YOU'LL HEAR THROUGH THE REPORT THE NUMBERS THAT ARE QUITE IMPRESSIVE.

BUT WITH THAT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THIS REPORT AND PAUL HO WILL START US OFF.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU JUDY. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS PAUL HO. I'M A HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER.

ASSEMBLY BILL 2561 WAS RECENTLY SIGNED INTO LAW ON JANUARY 1ST, 2025.

THIS NEW LAW REQUIRES THE CITY TO PRESENT AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING THE STATUS OF VACANCIES AND RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION EFFORTS.

AGENCIES WITH A HIGH NUMBER OF VACANCIES CAN IMPACT PUBLIC SERVICES.

EMPLOYEES ARE THEN ASKED TO TAKE ON MORE WORK, WHICH MAY SUFFER FROM FATIGUE, LEADING TO HIGHER TURNOVER, RETENTION ISSUES AND MAKING STAFFING ISSUES WORSE.

THE LAW'S INTENT IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS APPROPRIATE STAFFING.

IN ADDITION TO THE ANNUAL UPDATES REGARDING EMPLOYEE VACANCIES RECRUITMENT RETENTION EFFORTS, WE ALSO MUST PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF VACANCY RATES REACH 20% WITHIN ANY EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATION.

WE ALSO NEED TO NOTIFY EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONS WITH THE DATE OF PRESENTATION AND THE OPTION FOR THEM TO MAKE THEIR OWN PRESENTATIONS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, A SNAPSHOT OF OUR CURRENT VACANCY RATES CITY-WIDE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT INCLUDES ALL FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.

WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 3.9% VACANCY RATE FOR CTA, WHICH IS THE CARLSBAD CITY EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION.

WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 4.3% FOR CPOA, WHICH IS THE CARLSBAD POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 2.5% FOR CPMA, WHICH IS THE CARLSBAD POLICE MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION.

WE ARE AT 0% VACANCY AND FOR CFA, WHICH IS THE CARLSBAD FIREFIGHTER ASSOCIATION, WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 2.2% VACANCY RATE.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO JUDY. SO AS FAR AS OUR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION EFFORTS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT IN CARLSBAD. WE DO A GREAT JOB AT THIS.

OUR, YOU KNOW, WE USE VARIOUS PLATFORMS, SOCIAL MEDIA AND, YOU KNOW, WE USE TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE DURING THE SUMMER BECAUSE WE HAVE VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REACH. SO IT'S VERY BROAD ON WHAT WE DO.

WE ATTEND HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE, MILITARY COMMUNITY EVENTS FOR WORKSHOPS TO TRY TO BROADEN THE SCOPE OF WHO WE'RE GOING TO BRING ON.

WE ALSO REVIEW OUR SALARY STRUCTURES AND WE DO SURVEYS TO SEE WHAT ARE OUR COMPETITORS DOING, WHAT ARE OUR NEIGHBORS DOING AROUND US, ESPECIALLY THE CITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, CIRCLE AROUND CARLSBAD.

WE ALSO MAINTAIN VERY COMPETITIVE BENEFITS. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET BETTER BENEFITS THAN WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN CARLSBAD.

THEY'RE VERY DIVERSE IN WHAT WE OFFER BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE GENERATIONS HERE IN THE WORKPLACE, AND THAT'S FROM 15 TO 88 YEARS OLD. SO EVERYONE WANTS SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

SO WE MAKE SURE WE CAN SERVE A BROAD CLIENTELE.

WE ALSO DEVELOP OUR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT INTERNALLY.

WE HAVE OVER 300 ONLINE CLASSES THAT EMPLOYEES CAN TAKE AT ANY TIME THEY WANT.

WE ALSO HAVE OVER 50 IN-PERSON TRAININGS. WE HAVE INTERNSHIPS, AND WE JUST ENTERED A PARTNERSHIP WITH CAL STATE SAN MARCOS SENIOR EXPERIENCE, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET THAT GOING. THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING NEW FOR US.

AND THEN WITH SKILLBRIDGE AND WITH SKILLBRIDGE IS INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN THE MILITARY AND TRANSITIONING TO THE OUTSIDE,

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WE'VE HAD OVER 80 PROMOTIONS INTERNALLY IN THE CITY AND THAT'S INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE MOVING INTO FULL TIME POSITION.

THAT'S AN ALL TIME HIGH. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CARRY THAT PACE FOR ABOUT THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS.

SO WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING.

WE REPORT OUT ON OUR VACANCY RATES EVERY 2 TO 4 WEEKS.

WE CREDIT TO PAUL HO AND THE RECRUITMENT TEAM.

THEY DO A FABULOUS JOB WITH THIS. WE LOOK AT THIS ALREADY EVERY 2 TO 4 WEEKS, AND THEN WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR UNIONS.

WE WOULD DEFINITELY NOTIFY THE ASSOCIATIONS IF IT SHOULD REACH THE 20% MARK, WHICH AGAIN, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH. I THINK YOU SAW THE NUMBERS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG WHILE BEFORE WE GET EVEN CLOSE TO THAT, AND WE WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT.

THE HR DEPARTMENT WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AND THEN WE'LL COME BEFORE YOU EVERY YEAR TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION AND IT WILL BE I WOULD AGAIN BE CONFIDENT TO SAY IT WILL BE A VERY FAVORABLE PRESENTATION THAT WILL MAKE TO YOU AND IN WRAPPING UP, I JUST WANT TO GIVE CREDIT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A ONE PERSON JOB.

IT'S A TEAM SPORT. I WANT TO THANK THE DEPARTMENTS WHO WORK WITH US WITH THEIR MENTORING EFFORTS.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH FIRE AND POLICE.

WE WORK VERY CLOSELY AT ALL LEVELS TO KEEP THE TURN OF EMPLOYEES COMING IN AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WITH BOTH THE NON-SAFETY AND SAFETY DEPARTMENTS AND I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT ALL OF YOU AND WITH THAT, THAT CLOSES OUT OUR PRESENTATION AND WE WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. MAYOR. OKAY. CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. MISS BHAT-PATEL? YES. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RECRUITING THE BRIGHTEST TALENT AND RETAINING THE BRIGHTEST TALENT, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. AND I KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS HEAR GREAT THINGS, NOT ONLY ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT, BUT JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION, AND THAT IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO WORK SO WE CAN SEE THAT WITH OUR VACANCY RATES, OBVIOUSLY AND EVEN THOUGH PUBLIC SERVICES IS A HARD JOB, I'M SO GLAD TO SEE THAT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IS THRIVING HERE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON DOING THAT, MISS ACOSTA.

THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK IT'S ACCIDENTAL JUST BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THIS GORGEOUS PLACE, AND CARLSBAD IS SUCH A WONDERFUL, WELL-MANAGED CITY THAT YOU WOULD JUST WANT TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, BUT IT ACTUALLY TAKES A LOT OF PROGRAMS AND A LOT OF THOUGHT AND STRATEGY AND OUR HR DEPARTMENT IS FANTASTIC.

SO WE'RE SO GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE SO MANY OFFERINGS, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OFFERINGS AND BENEFITS AND COMPETITIVE SALARIES AND GREAT CULTURE AND SO MANY GREAT THINGS. SO I THINK WORKING AND BEING PART OF THIS EFFORT AT THE CITY IS A REALLY GREAT CAREER AND I'M SO GRATEFUL TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK IN MAKING THAT HAPPEN. YOU AND THE GREATER TEAM.

SO TEAM CARLSBAD, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENT. IT'S VERY TRUE.

THE STAFF, WHEN WE HAVE THESE LOW VACANCY RATES, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR PRIORITY, RIGHT, TO BRING THE TO HAVE THIS RECRUITMENT BECAUSE WE CAN BETTER SERVE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS LEGISLATION IS ALL ABOUT, IS HOW WE CAN BEST SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, OUR ORGANIZATION AND EACH OTHER WHEN WE'RE FULLY STAFFED.

SO THANK YOU, MR. SHIN. YEAH, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA SAID IN REGARDS TO THE CULTURE.

YOU GUYS ESTABLISHED AN OUTSTANDING ONE THAT COMES FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD, BUT IT ALSO REALLY COMES FROM THE MIDDLE MANAGEMENT THAT SHOWS UP EVERY DAY AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT REALLY GET TO SEE EYES ON ALL OF THE WORKERS AND WHAT THEY DO, AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S GETTING CHECKED AND ENCOURAGEMENT IS TAKING PLACE AND I HEARD ABOUT HOW WE REINFORCE OUR BRAND NEW SUPERVISORS AND LEADERS AND TRAIN THEM INTO THE RIGHT POSITION AND GET THEM TO THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE WANT.

SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRAINING. WE HAVE THREE ACADEMIES, REGIONAL ACADEMIES THAT WE NOMINATE AND SEND EMPLOYEES TO, WHICH IS VERY POPULAR AND THEN THIS SUMMER, WE'RE GOING TO BE OPENING UP OUR OWN CARLSBAD LEAD ACADEMY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY FEW CITIES HAVE.

AND SO WE'RE EXCITED TO LAUNCH THAT IN PROBABLY EARLY SUMMER.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. THIS IS INFORMATION ONLY.

SO THERE'S NO VOTE REQUIRED. ITEM NUMBER NINE CITY MANAGER.

[9. 2025 HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM – Adoption of a resolution declaring weeds, rubbish, and refuse upon private property in the City of Carlsbad as public nuisances under the terms of the city’s Hazard Reduction Program and scheduling a public hearing on the topic for April 15, 2025. (Staff contact: Darcy Davidson, Fire) ]

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FOR THE RECORD, I'M MIKE CALDERWOOD, FIRE CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND WITH ME TONIGHT IS FIRE MARSHAL DARCY DAVIDSON.

WE'RE REQUESTING THE ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION DECLARING WEEDS, RUBBISH AND REFUSE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY AS PUBLIC NUISANCES UNDER THE HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM. IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

HOWEVER, GIVEN EVENTS IN LOS ANGELES AND THE BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS APPROVED DURING THE MID-YEAR BUDGET REVIEW.

I'VE ASKED FIRE MARSHAL DAVIDSON TO PROVIDE DETAILS THAT DISTINGUISH OUR HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM FROM FIRE MITIGATION EFFORTS.

PLEASE LET ME INTRODUCE FIRE MARSHAL DARCY DAVIDSON.

GOOD EVENING. I'M FIRE MARSHAL DARCY DAVIDSON.

THIS EVENING, I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM, OUR WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN, AND A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE FIRE HAZARD SEVERITY ZONE MAPS.

FIRST, I'LL PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM AND REQUEST CITY COUNCIL'S ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION DECLARING WEEDS, RUBBISH AND REFUSE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CITY'S HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM.

THIS YEAR, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED 187 VACANT PARCELS IN CARLSBAD FOR INCLUSION IN THE HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THESE VACANT PARCELS WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THE NEED TO REMOVE DEAD AND DYING NON-NATIVE VEGETATION PRIOR TO MAY 15TH OF THIS YEAR.

A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 15TH.

THE CITY OF CARLSBAD'S ANNUAL HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED TO IDENTIFY HAZARDS TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND MINIMIZE THE RISK AND POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF FIRES BY ADDRESSING HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS ON PROPERTIES.

THIS IS AN ONGOING PROGRAM THAT IS IMPORTANT AND EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING HAZARDS.

HOWEVER, IT IS ALSO LIMITED IN SCOPE. THE PROGRAM ONLY COVERS VACANT LOTS.

IT DOES NOT ADDRESS WILDFIRE RISKS IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, NOR DOES IT ASSESS ADDRESS RISKS ON PUBLIC LANDS OR IN THE OPEN SPACE.

IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE JANUARY 2025 FIRESTORMS IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED AN UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS, MORE THAN A YEAR'S WORTH IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY ALONE.

WE ARE ACTIVELY ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS AND HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TAKING STEPS TO REDUCE RISKS AND THE IMPACT OF WILDFIRE IN CARLSBAD, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL ACTION AND ALLOCATION OF FUNDS.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNITY WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN.

SO WHAT IS A WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN? IT'S A STRATEGIC AND COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH DESIGNED TO ASSESS AND REDUCE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH WILDFIRES ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. UNLIKE THE HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM, WHICH IS MORE FOCUSED ON SPECIFIC RISK REDUCTION ON PRIVATE PARCELS, THE WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN WILL BE BROADER AND INCLUSIVE OF ALL LAND IN CARLSBAD.

THE PROCESS WILL BEGIN WITH CONDUCTING A COMMUNITY WIDE WILDFIRE RISK ASSESSMENT.

THIS ASSESSMENT WILL BE THE BASIS OF THE WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH WILL BE A DATA DRIVEN PLAN AIMED AT LONG TERM RESILIENCE.

IT WILL PRIORITIZE PROJECTS AND ACTIONS THAT OFFER THE GREATEST BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

THE KEY OBJECTIVES OF A WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN ARE TO ENSURE DEFENSIBLE SPACE AROUND BUILDINGS.

CREATE STRATEGIC FUEL BREAKS WHERE VEGETATION IS EITHER REMOVED OR THINNED TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF FIRE, TRIMMING OVERGROWN VEGETATION VEGETATION TO ENSURE EVACUATION ROUTES ARE CLEAR AND ACCESSIBLE, AND PERFORMING EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH, WE WILL ENGAGE AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT WILDFIRE RISKS AND SAFETY MEASURES THAT THEY CAN PERFORM TO STAY SAFE FROM WILDFIRE.

I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S COMMITMENT THAT ALL MITIGATION EFFORTS WILL BE COORDINATED WITH THE HABITAT MANAGEMENT PLAN AND TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH CITY POLICIES, AS WELL AS STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS.

THE GOVERNOR'S PROCLAMATION OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY THAT WAS ISSUED ON MARCH 2ND OF THIS YEAR STRENGTHENS THE URGENCY FOR THESE INITIATIVES.

THE PROCLAMATION AUTHORIZES ACTIONS TO SUPPORT WILDFIRE PREVENTION EFFORTS AT THE STATE LEVEL, INCLUDING RESOURCE ALLOCATION, BUT IT DOES NOT NEGATE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HMP.

NOR DOES IT OVERRIDE FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND LAST, AN UPDATE ON THE FIRE HAZARD SEVERITY ZONE MAPS, WHICH INCLUDE CARLSBAD, WILL FINALLY BE RELEASED BY CAL FIRE NEXT MONDAY, MARCH 24TH.

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AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, THE CITY WILL POST THESE FIRE HAZARD SEVERITY ZONE MAPS ON ITS WEBSITE AND ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND REVIEW.

AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL RETURN TO COUNCIL WITHIN 120 DAYS TO PRESENT AN ORDINANCE TO FORMALLY ADOPT THESE MAPS.

THIS WILL INCLUDE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THESE ARE HAZARD MAPS AND NOT RISK MAPS, AND WHILE HELPFUL, THEY MAY NOT PROVIDE THE FULL DATA NEEDED FOR COMPREHENSIVE RISK ASSESSMENT. SO DESPITE THE RELEASE OF THESE MAPS, A COMMUNITY WILDFIRE RISK ASSESSMENT WILL STILL BE NECESSARY TO FULLY EVALUATE RISK AND TO PRIORITIZE OUR WILDFIRE MITIGATION EFFORTS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. FIRE MARSHAL DAVIDSON. IN CONCLUSION, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT APPRECIATES THE CITY COUNCIL FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION DECLARING WEEDS, RUBBISH AND REFUSE UPON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AS PUBLIC NUISANCES UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CITY'S HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM AND SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TOPIC FOR APRIL 15TH, 2025. THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND WE'RE OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. MR. SHIN, THANK YOU FOR RAPIDLY GETTING THIS PROGRAM GOING.

SO I JUST WANT FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, I WAS A YOUNG CAPTAIN THAT CAME DOWN HERE FOR THE POINSETTIA FIRE IN 2014.

AND COMING DOWN TO ANY WILDFIRE, YOU WHAT YOU DO REALIZE IS THOSE RESIDENTS THAT DO COMPLY AND ARE ABLE TO CREATE A DEFENSIVE SPACE AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, AND THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION.

SO I APOLOGIZE THAT WE SKIPPED THAT PART. BUT WHEN I SEE SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD DEFENSIBLE SPACE, WHEN I WAS A CAPTAIN, I WOULD JUST KIND OF IN NO OFFENSE IN THIS SPACE, BUT I WOULD WRITE IT OFF.

IT'S TOO MUCH WORK TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT HOME.

SO THEN I WOULD SKIP TO THE NEXT ONE THAT I KNEW I COULD DEFEND. DO YOU GUYS TAKE KIND OF SIMILAR PHILOSOPHIES WHEN YOU'RE TRIAGING UNITS? SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN TWO WAYS.

SO THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE WHEN THE FIRE IS ALREADY HAPPENING, WE LOOK AT THE HOMES OR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DEFENSIBLE AND NON-DEFENSIBLE IN THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE PRE-TREATING. WE LOOK FOR THOSE THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED NON-DEFENSIBLE.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK TO DO MITIGATION. AND I ACCIDENTALLY DOUBLE TAPPED THE SLIDE EARLIER.

I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN UP ON THE SCREEN LONG ENOUGH.

THIS IS OUR FIRE STATION FOUR, AND YOU CAN SEE THE VEGETATION GROWING NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION.

THAT WOULD BE A NON DEFENSIBLE. BUT AFTER THE TREATMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE LOWER PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IS NOW A DEFENSIBLE SPACE WHERE WE CAN PROTECT IN THIS CASE THE FIRE STATION.

YEAH. I JUST I JUST THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.

I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE DO NEED TO CREATE A POLICY WHERE THOSE CAN WHERE WE CAN CREATE DEFENSIBLE SPACES.

WE JUST CAN'T HAVE WHAT JUST TOOK PLACE IN LA AND NOT SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

AND FORTUNATELY, EVERY RESIDENT AND EVERY BUSINESS OWNER NEEDS TO KIND OF DO THEIR PART.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MRS ACOSTA. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. USUALLY THIS IS ON CONSENT, AS WAS SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING, AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW VACANT PARCELS ON LA COSTA AVENUE, WHICH I DRIVE ALMOST EVERY DAY IN MY DISTRICT AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE IN THE PAST THAT THIS WAS JUST ON CONSENT, THAT THOSE VACANT PARCELS WERE CLEARED, LIKE ALL THE BIG BRUSH THAT HAD GROWN DURING THE RAINY SEASON. YOU KNOW, AROUND THIS TIME OF YEAR, THEY GO OUT AND IF THEY WOULD SEND THE NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND CONTACT THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY NEEDED TO CLEAR THAT SPACE, AND IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT, THE CITY WOULD JUST GO THROUGH AND GUARD IT.

SO I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE CONTINUE TO DO. IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, BUT REALLY ELEVATING THIS AS AN ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE EVEN IF IT ISN'T A VACANT PARCEL, EVEN IF YOU LIVE THERE AND IT'S YOUR HOME, WE ALL NEED TO BE SO AWARE OF THAT EXTRA GROWTH DURING THE RAINY SEASON.

THINGS GROW REALLY BIG, AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO CUT THAT BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT EXTRA SPACE AROUND OUR HOME.

SO I KNOW THERE ARE, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, QUITE A FEW STUDENTS IN THE AUDIENCE AND NEW VISITORS TODAY.

SO I HOPE THAT THEY'RE HEARING THE MESSAGE, HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, FROM THE CITY LEADERS. LIKE, REALLY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING OURSELVES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM FUTURE WILDFIRES, FROM FUTURE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND CLEARING OUT THIS EXTRA GROWTH ON OUR PROPERTIES IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT.

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I KNOW WE HAD RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH I'M SURE WAS FORWARDED ON TO YOU ALL AS WELL.

WITH REGARDS TO FOLKS HAVING CONCERNS AFTER SEEING WHAT WAS GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

I WITH GOOD REASON, OF COURSE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT.

I THINK A LOT OF THE AWARENESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT AROUND THIS.

I MEAN, YOU DO THAT CONSTANTLY, BUT ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'VE HAD, I'VE BEEN NOTICING EVEN INCREASED COMMUNICATIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS, FOR INSTANCE, FROM THE DEPARTMENT AROUND HOW YOU CAN SAFEGUARD YOUR PROPERTY.

ALSO, I KNOW THE GENESIS PROTECT APP HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO DOWNLOAD AND BE SURE.

SO IF YOU ALL ARE HERE, MAKE SURE YOU DOWNLOAD THAT ON YOUR PHONE.

IT'S A GREAT WAY TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS IN TERMS OF IF THERE ARE FIRES POPPING UP.

YOU CAN ALSO IF YOU HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, KIDS IN OTHER AREAS LIKE LA OR OTHERWISE, YOU CAN KEEP TRACK OF THOSE AREAS AS WELL.

IT'S NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR LOCALITY.

SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE SHOUT OUT. I KNOW YOU ALL DIDN'T PUT IT OUT THERE, BUT IT IS ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS THROUGH THE CITY AS WELL.

AND I KNOW THE COUNTY WAS THROWING IT OUT THERE AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ON ON ALL OF THAT.

AND I THINK JUST IN GENERAL, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE AND RAISE AWARENESS WILL I KNOW WE'LL DO.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING TO CONTINUE TO PREVENT ALL OF THIS FROM HAPPENING FROM THE GET GO IS JUST OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE. SO THANK YOU. MOTION, PLEASE.

SO MOVED. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER TEN. CITY MANAGER, PLEASE.

[10. FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE – Receive an operational update report from the Fire Department. (Staff contact: Michael Calderwood and Nick Ordille, Fire) ]

MUCH LIKE THE REPORT WE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'VE ASKED THE FIRE CHIEF TO WALK THE COUNCIL THROUGH WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEIR CURRENT NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THEY FORESEE AS THE CHALLENGES AND ISSUES FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD FROM A FIRE SERVICES STANDPOINT.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO FIRE CHIEF MIKE CALDERWOOD AND ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF NICK ORDILLE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER PATINO. SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MAYOR, PRO TEM, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGER.

I'M YOUR FIRE CHIEF, MICHAEL CALDERWOOD. ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF NICK ORDILLE AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, PARTICULARLY FOLLOWING THE STANDARDS OF COVID REPORT IN 2020.

THAT REPORT IDENTIFIED SEVERAL CHALLENGES FACING OUR DEPARTMENT AND ITS ABILITIES TO EFFECTIVELY SERVE THE COMMUNITY.

THROUGH YOUR COMMITMENT, WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE SIGNIFICANT STEPS TO ADDRESS THOSE CHALLENGES.

FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF WORKED CLOSELY WITH CITY GATE ASSOCIATES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 2020 REPORT.

THAT TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE ALLOWED US TO REPLICATE MANY OF THE ANALYTICS ANALYTIC PROCESSES AND DEVELOP THE INFORMATION YOU WILL SEE TONIGHT. THIS COLLABORATION, COUPLED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S STRONG FOCUS ON TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION AND DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS LED TO THE CREATION OF THE FIRE OPERATIONS INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM, WHICH ALLOWS US TO REVIEW FIRE DEPARTMENT ANALYTICS IN REAL TIME.

IN FACT, THIS INITIATIVE HELPED CARLSBAD EARN RECOGNITION AS ONE OF THE TOP DIGITAL CITIES IN THE NATION.

AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. A SIMILAR UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, AND TO AVOID DUPLICATING COMMON INFLUENCES ON SERVICE DEMAND.

TONIGHT'S UPDATE WILL PRIMARILY FOCUS ON AN OPERATIONAL OVERVIEW, INCLUDING THE CURRENT CHALLENGES WE FACE AND THE FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES. WHILE THIS REPORT WILL OUTLINE POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS, THE ACTION REQUIRED FROM THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IS SIMPLY TO RECEIVE THE REPORT.

FOLLOWING TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL PRESENT THE CITY MANAGER WITH MULTIYEAR STAFFING OPTIONS AS PART OF THE UPCOMING BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS.

BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT UPDATE, I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON SOME OF THE KEY FACTORS AFFECTING SERVICE DEMAND.

THIS INFORMATION CLOSELY MIRRORS THE SLIDE PRESENTED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DURING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

HOWEVER, THIS TIME WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED DATA FROM 2024 REGARDING ANNUAL BEACH ATTENDANCE, WHICH REACHED APPROXIMATELY 2.7 MILLION VISITORS JUST TO THE NORTH BEACH ALONE.

THE NORTH BEACH AREA IS ONLY THE COASTAL SECTION FROM OAK AVENUE TO THE NORTHERN CITY LIMITS.

THE REMAINING SIX MILES OF BEACHES ARE PROTECTED BY STATE LIFEGUARDS, AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ACCESS THEIR BEACH ATTENDANCE INFORMATION.

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THE COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION BUREAU, LED BY FIRE MARSHAL DARCY DAVIDSON, IS COMMITTED TO REDUCING RISKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A WIDE RANGE OF PROACTIVE MEASURES. THIS INCLUDES ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH FIRE CODES DURING PLANNING REVIEWS, INSPECTING FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS IN BUILDINGS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, PERFORMING STATE MANDATED INSPECTIONS, CONDUCTING FIRE AND ARSON INVESTIGATIONS, AND PROVIDING COMMUNITY EDUCATION ON DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS BUREAU, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF ASSISTANT CHIEF NICK ORDILLE, SITTING TO MY RIGHT, IS THE DIVISION MOST CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THIS BUREAU IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DIRECT EMERGENCY RESPONSE EFFORTS, ENSURING THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS EQUIPPED AND PREPARED TO HANDLE VARIOUS EMERGENCY SITUATIONS EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY. THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS BUREAU UTILIZES A WIDE ARRAY OF RESOURCES, INCLUDING FIRE ENGINES, AERIAL LADDER TRUCKS, AMBULANCES, AND LIFEGUARDS.

DURING TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, WE WILL PRIMARILY FOCUS ON THE ANALYTICS, CHALLENGES AND FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS THAT IMPACT THIS BUREAU.

IN 2021, STAFF SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL FOR A PHASED EXPANSION OF RESOURCES TO BETTER ALIGN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WITH NATIONAL BEST PRACTICE RESPONSE TIME STANDARDS. IN RESPONSE TO THIS PROPOSAL, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE CONSTRUCTION OF TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN AND THE ADDITION OF TWO ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT AMBULANCES, ALONG WITH 15 EMTS, TO STAFF THOSE AMBULANCES.

THESE ENHANCEMENTS HAVE RESULTED IN IMPROVED RESPONSE TIMES, INCREASED TRANSPORT CAPACITY, AND A MORE BALANCED DISTRIBUTION OF UNIT RESPONSES ACROSS THE CITY'S SEVEN FIRE STATIONS.

NEXT IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF FIRE SUPPRESSION DETAILS RELATED TO OUR DAILY OPERATIONAL READINESS, INCLUDING STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT. THE SUPPRESSION DIVISION STAFFS 33 PERSONNEL DAILY, FIVE OF WHICH ARE SINGLE ROLE EMTS AND DO NOT HAVE FIREFIGHTING CAPABILITIES. THESE PERSONNEL OPERATE SIX FIRE ENGINES, ONE AERIAL LADDER TRUCK, FIVE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT AMBULANCES, AND ONE BATTALION CHIEF FOR COMMAND AND CONTROL 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. ADDITIONALLY, OUR RESERVE FLEET ENSURES CONTINUITY OF SERVICE BY ALLOWING US TO DEPLOY LIKE FOR LIKE VEHICLES WHEN FRONTLINE UNITS ARE OUT OF SERVICE FOR MAINTENANCE, REPAIRS OR MUTUAL AID RESPONSES DURING FIRES ACROSS THE STATE.

THIS FLEET ALSO SUPPORTS UP STAFFING EFFORTS DURING TIMES OF RED FLAG WARNINGS AND CITY SPECIAL EVENTS.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OUR RESERVE AERIAL LADDER TRUCK IS CURRENTLY 18 YEARS OLD, AND IT HAS 150,000 ROAD MILES. THIS IS OUR ONLY VEHICLE, WHETHER FRONTLINE OR RESERVE, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE CITY'S VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND. THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND IS CARLSBAD'S FORWARD FUNDED PROGRAM, WHERE REPLACEMENT FEES ARE GRADUALLY ACCUMULATED TO ENSURE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE WHEN A VEHICLE NEEDS REPLACING.

THIS HELPS TO STABILIZE BUDGETING FOR MAJOR VEHICLE PURCHASES.

GIVEN THE CHANGES IN CARLSBAD'S BUILDING PROFILE AND THE EXTENDED FIVE YEAR BUILD TIME FOR AN AERIAL LADDER TRUCK.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS ORDERING A REPLACEMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

ADDITIONALLY, WE PROPOSE ADDING THIS VEHICLE INTO THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND, JUST AS WE DO WITH ALL OTHER VEHICLES.

OUR SEVEN FIRE STATIONS ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED ACROSS THE CITY IN OUR BEST EFFORT TO OPTIMIZE RESPONSE CAPABILITIES.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FIRE STATION SEVEN IS STILL IN A TEMPORARY LOCATION, AND CITY STAFF CONTINUE WORKING TO LOCATE A PERMANENT SITE WEST OF BOTH INTERSTATE FIVE AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS NEAR CANON ROAD. IN ADDITION, FIRE STATION ONE WAS BUILT IN 1968 WHEN SERVICE DEMAND AND PERSONNEL AND APPARATUS SPACE NEEDS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN TODAY.

IN THE UPCOMING YEARS, A FIRE STATION ONE WILL EVENTUALLY NEED A REMODEL OR A REPLACEMENT, AND THIS WILL BE A PRIORITY, ALONG WITH BUILDING A PERMANENT FIRE STATION.

SEVEN. SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF NICK ORDILLE, WHO WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS.

THANK YOU, CHIEF CALDERWOOD, AND GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

FOR THE RECORD, I'M NICK ORDILLE, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF OVERSEEING EMERGENCY OPERATIONS.

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IN 2024, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 14,707 UNIQUE INCIDENTS.

HOWEVER, NOT ALL INCIDENTS REQUIRE THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPONSE.

FOR INSTANCE, MEDICAL CALLS TYPICALLY RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM TWO UNITS.

ONE FIRE ENGINE AND ONE AMBULANCE. WHILE STRUCTURE FIRES GENUINELY REQUIRE AT LEAST SIX UNITS THREE FIRE ENGINES, ONE AERIAL TRUCK, ONE AMBULANCE, AND A BATTALION CHIEF.

IN TOTAL, THE NUMBER OF UNIT RESPONSES FOR ALL INCIDENTS IN 2024 WAS 24,585.

ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE A SUMMARY OF THE 2024 INCIDENTS AND UNIT RESPONSE COUNTS.

ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S A GRAPH THAT SHOWS A FIVE YEAR COMPARISON OF UNIQUE INCIDENTS YEAR OVER YEAR.

ALONGSIDE THE ASSOCIATED UNIT RESPONSES. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, OUR FIRE STATIONS ARE STRATEGICALLY PLACED TO PROVIDE QUICK RESPONSE TIMES. HERE WE SEE FIVE YEAR COMPARISON OF UNIT DEMAND BY STATION.

NOTABLY, THE ADDITION OF TWO AMBULANCES IN 2022 AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF TEMPORARY FIRE STATION 7 IN 2023 HAVE CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO A MORE BALANCED DISTRIBUTION OF UNIT RESPONSES.

THIS IS EVIDENT IN THE CONSISTENT DOWNWARD TREND ACROSS MOST STATIONS.

YEAR OVER YEAR. IT'S CRUCIAL TO HIGHLIGHT THE ROLE OF FIRE STATION SEVEN, WHICH SERVES THE COASTAL CORRIDOR, AN AREA THAT GENERATES OVER 50% OF OUR CALL VOLUME.

PRIOR TO ITS OPENING, THIS AREA WAS WAS PRIMARILY SERVED BY JUST TWO FIRE STATIONS.

THE COASTAL CORRIDOR ALSO EXPERIENCES A HIGH FREQUENCY OF SIMULTANEOUS CALLS, MEANING TWO OR MORE INCIDENTS OCCURRING SIMULTANEOUSLY WITHIN THE SAME AREA. WITH FIRE STATION SEVEN IN OPERATION, THESE INCIDENTS ARE NOW SPREAD ACROSS THREE STATIONS, GREATLY IMPROVING OUR ABILITY TO HANDLE SIMULTANEOUS CALLS, LEADING TO IMPROVED IMPROVE RESPONSE TIMES AND UNIT AVAILABILITY.

THE SPIKE IN DEMAND AT FIRE STATION 4 IN 2022 WAS DUE TO A SHORT TERM AMBULANCE ASSIGNMENT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF TEMPORARY FIRE STATION SEVEN.

THIS CHART PRESENTS A FOUR YEAR COMPARISON, BROKEN DOWN BY FISCAL YEAR, OF BOTH THE NUMBER OF TRANSPORTS AND THE ASSOCIATED COST RECOVERY.

AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE ADDITION OF TWO AMBULANCES IN JANUARY 2022 ENHANCED OUR CAPACITY TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPORTS WHILE ALSO IMPROVING COST RECOVERY IN LINE WITH NATIONAL TRENDS OBSERVED ACROSS FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

EMS RELATED CALLS MAKE UP OVER 80% OF OUR TOTAL CALL VOLUME.

THE DEPARTMENT PLACES A STRONG EMPHASIS ON CONTINUOUS MONITORING OF EMS ANALYTICS, INCLUDING CUSTOMER SATISFACTION AND PATIENT OUTCOMES.

NOTABLY, IN 2024, THE DEPARTMENT ACHIEVED AN OUTSTANDING 99% SATISFACTION RATING, AS REFLECTED IN THE RESULTS OF OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE SURVEY.

IN AUGUST OF 2024, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PRESENTED A REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON RESUSCITATION OUTCOMES THAT SHOWED SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT SURPASSING NATIONAL, STATE AND REGIONAL AVERAGES. FACTORS BELIEVED TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS SUCCESS INCLUDE FASTER RESPONSE TIMES, ADVANCED TRAINING, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND INCREASED MONITORING BY THE DEPARTMENT'S COMMUNITY HEALTH NURSE.

KEY PERFORMANCE METRICS SHOW THAT 21.8% OF PATIENTS SURVIVED TO DISCHARGE WITH GOOD NEUROLOGICAL STATUS, COMPARED TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 8.1%. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ADHERES TO BEST PRACTICE INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR EVALUATING RESPONSE TIMES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES SET BY THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION AND THE INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICE.

THIS SLIDE OUTLINES KEY PERFORMANCE METRICS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

RESPONSE TIMES, FOCUSING ON THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROCESS SUCH AS TURNOUT TIME, TRAVEL TIME, AND DISPATCH TO ARRIVAL TIME. CALL PROCESSING TIME WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE DISPATCHING AGENCY THAT SERVES THE NORTH COUNTY IS UPDATING ITS CALL PROCESSING STANDARDS DUE TO REVISIONS IN NATIONAL STANDARDS.

TURNOUT TIME IS DEFINED AS THE TIME ELAPSED FROM WHEN AN ALARM IS RECEIVED AT THE STATION TO WHEN CREWS BOARD THE APPARATUS AND START DRIVING.

CITYGATE RECOMMENDS A GOAL OF TWO MINUTES FOR THIS PHASE.

TRAVEL TIME REFERS TO THE DURATION IT TAKES FOR THE FIRST RESPONDING UNIT TO REACH THE INCIDENT SITE.

NFPA RECOMMENDS A TARGET OF FOUR MINUTES FOR CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN URBAN AND SUBURBAN AREAS.

DISPATCH TO ARRIVAL IS A COMPREHENSIVE METRIC THAT TRACKS THE TOTAL TIME FROM WHEN A 911 CALL IS DISPATCHED TO WHEN THE FIRST UNIT ARRIVES ON THE SCENE.

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AS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, TURNOUT, TIMES HAVE CONSISTENTLY MET OUR GOALS IN RED CARLSBAD'S TRAVEL TIMES AND DISPATCH TO ARRIVAL TIMES.

WHILE NOT YET MEETING THE BEST PRACTICES HAVE IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THE ADDITION OF FIRE STATION SEVEN AND ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES.

DESPITE A 20% INCREASE IN CALL VOLUME AND MORE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, TRAVEL TIMES HAVE IMPROVED BY 30S.

THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CALL VOLUME AND TRAVEL TIMES OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

THE BLUE BAR REPRESENTS INCIDENT COUNTS WHILE THE RED LINE REPRESENTS TRAVEL TIMES.

THESE TRAVEL TIME IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO RECENT INVESTMENTS BY CITY COUNCIL.

WHILE WE HAVE SEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN RESPONSE TIMES DUE TO THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT DEGRADE OUR RESPONSE TIMES. THESE CHALLENGES INCLUDE UNIQUE GEOGRAPHY, INCLUDING THREE LAGOONS THAT CREATE CIRCUITOUS ROAD NETWORKS, INCREASING CALL VOLUME AND SIMULTANEOUS INCIDENTS, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, PARTICULARLY DURING PEAK HOURS, TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, AND LASTLY, AUTOMATIC AID.

WHILE AUTOMATIC AID IS VALUABLE, MAINTAINING A BALANCE BETWEEN SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND REGIONAL SUPPORT REMAINS A PRIORITY TO ENSURE OPTIMAL RESPONSE TIMES WITHIN THE CITY. IN ADDITION TO RESPONSE TIMES, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EVALUATES OUTCOMES AS PART OF ITS ONGOING EFFORTS TO CONTINUOUSLY REFINE AND ENHANCE ITS SERVICES. SIMILAR TO EMS, THE DEPARTMENT ALSO MEASURES OUTCOMES RELATED TO FIRE SUPPRESSION AS OUTLINED IN THE STANDARDS OF COVER, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TRACKS ITS SUCCESS IN CONTAINING STRUCTURE FIRES TO THE ROOM OF ORIGIN AND CONTAINING VEGETATION FIRES TO LESS THAN FIVE ACRES.

THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT ILLUSTRATES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO CONTAIN VEGETATION FIRES TO UNDER FIVE ACRES 90% OF THE TIME OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

HOWEVER, THE GRAPH ON THE LEFT HIGHLIGHTS A DOWNWARD TREND IN THE ABILITY TO CONTAIN STRUCTURE FIRES TO THE RIM OF ORIGIN.

THIS DECLINE CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO A VARIETY OF FACTORS, SOME OF WHICH CHIEF CALDERWOOD WILL DISCUSS IN GREATER DETAIL NEXT.

THANK YOU, CHIEF ORDILLE. CALIFORNIA'S HOUSING ELEMENT AND THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ALLOCATION REQUIREMENTS ARE PUSHING MUNICIPALITIES TO ALLOW FOR TALLER AND DENSER BUILDINGS, WHICH WERE NOT PART OF CARLSBAD'S ORIGINAL GROWTH PLANS.

AS THESE REQUIREMENTS CHANGE THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE.

THEY HAVE ALSO PROMPTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO REASSESS WHAT IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY IN CARLSBAD AS THE POPULATION GROWS.

SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND SMALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE BEING REPLACED WITH MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, INCREASING THE DEMAND FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

MANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS NOW CONSIST OF 4 TO 5 STORY BUILDINGS, WITH EVEN MORE MID-RISE STRUCTURES BEING BUILT.

MID-RISE STRUCTURES ARE DEFINED AS FOUR STORIES OR HIGHER, UP TO 75FT.

THE INCREASE IN MID-RISE STRUCTURES PRESENTS MORE CHALLENGES FOR FIREFIGHTING, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AND EVACUATIONS. TRADITIONAL GROUND LADDERS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE INSUFFICIENT FOR THESE BUILDINGS, MAKING AERIAL LADDER TRUCKS MORE ESSENTIAL FOR BOTH FIREFIGHTING AND RESCUES.

ADDITIONALLY, CARLSBAD HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN VERY LARGE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.

THE SHEER SIZE NECESSITATES MORE FIREFIGHTERS TO PERFORM COMPLEX, CRITICAL TASKS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION PRESENTED THIS EVENING, STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED SEVERAL ITEMS FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

THE FIRST ITEM CARRIED OVER FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS INVOLVES THE ONGOING EXPLORATION OF OPTIONS FOR A PERMANENT FIRE STATION SEVEN.

CITY STAFF CONTINUES TO EVALUATE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.

AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED THIS EVENING AND AS PART OF THE APPROVED MID-YEAR BUDGET, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A FIRE MITIGATION PLAN AIMED AT REDUCING THE IMPACTS OF WILDFIRES IN CARLSBAD.

ADDITIONALLY, THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE LATER THIS CALENDAR YEAR TO OFFICIALLY DEFINE MID-RISE BUILDINGS.

THIS ORDINANCE WILL MANDATE THE APPLICATION OF SPECIFIC FIRE AND BUILDING CODE PROVISIONS DESIGNED TO ENHANCE BOTH OCCUPANT SAFETY AND FIREFIGHTING OPERATIONS FOR THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES.

NEXT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER ADD AN AERIAL LADDER TRUCK TO THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25-26.

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THIS REQUEST WILL BECOME WILL COME NOT ONLY THAT, BUILD TIME DUE TO NOT ONLY THAT BUILD TIME, BUT THE AGE OF THE CURRENT RESERVE LADDER TRUCK.

THIS REQUEST WILL BE MADE REGARDLESS OF ANY STAFFING MODELS OR DECISIONS.

FINALLY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER REQUIRING REGARDING A MULTI YEAR STAFFING PLAN PROPOSAL, WHICH MAY CONSIDER WHICH MAY BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE UPCOMING BUDGET PROCESS.

SHOWN HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A MULTI-YEAR STAFFING PLAN COULD LOOK LIKE.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS IDENTIFIED A WAY TO ADD FIREFIGHTING CAPABILITIES TO EXISTING PERSONNEL, WHILE NOT ADDING OR REQUESTING ANY NEW PERSONNEL OR FULL TIME EQUIVALENTS UNTIL THE FINAL YEAR.

THIS PLAN AIMS TO TRANSITION SINGLE ROLE EMTS INTO EITHER FIREFIGHTER EMTS OR FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE FIRE CHIEF, WHILE ENSURING THAT ALL EMERGENCY RESPONSE UNITS MAINTAIN ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT CAPABILITIES TO TO ADDRESS THE INCREASING CHALLENGES AND CHANGES IN THE CITY'S BUILDING LANDSCAPE.

THE FINAL PHASE OF THE MULTI-YEAR STAFFING PLAN INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF THREE NEW FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS.

THIS WILL ALLOW A FIRE STATION IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY TO TRANSITION FROM STAFFING A THREE PERSON FIRE ENGINE TO A FOUR PERSON AERIAL LADDER TRUCK, BETTER ALIGNING RESOURCES WITH THE EVOLVING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE ONGOING SUPPORT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS SHOWN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR WORK TO IMPROVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CAPABILITIES AND SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS.

MAYOR. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? SORRY, MAYOR. OKAY.

SO THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS HERE.

SO 5-6 MINUTE RESPONSE TIMES WHEN I WAS IN IT WAS ESSENTIALLY BY THE TIME YOU INITIATE CPR, FROM THE MOMENT YOU CALL AND THEN YOU ARRIVE, IF YOU DON'T GET THERE IN ABOUT 5 TO 6 MINUTES.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DRAMATIC DECAY IN YOUR NEUROLOGICAL FUNCTIONS.

THAT'S STILL WHY WE'RE DOING THE 5 TO 6 MINUTES.

THAT IS THAT'S ONE OF THE DRIVERS AND ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT WE LOOK AT, THE 4 TO 6 MINUTES ISN'T JUST FOR THE MEDICAL AIDES AS WELL.

IT'S ALSO FOR THE FLASHOVER TIMES THAT CAN OCCUR WITH FIRE LOADING WITHIN A STRUCTURE.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF A LOT OF THINGS. THAT IS ONE FACTOR.

GOT IT. FIRE DOUBLES EVERY 90S RIGHT. SO YEAH.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME RIGHT NOW WITH OUR RESCUE AMBULANCES HAVING WALL TIMES AND EMERGENCY ROOMS? IS THAT AN ISSUE? IT IS AN ISSUE. WALL TIMES ARE SOMETHING THAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE REGION ARE STRUGGLING WITH. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ISOLATED TO SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

IT'S UP AND DOWN THE STATE. ONE THING WE LOOK AT IS OUR TIME ON TASK.

HOW LONG ARE CALLS TAKING? IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET SOME OF THE TIMES FROM THE HOSPITALS.

SO WE LOOK AT THE TIME ON TASK AND LOOKING AT THAT TIME ON TASK IS ROUGHLY AROUND AN HOUR AND 30, HOUR AND 40 MINUTES. WE HAVEN'T SEEN A DRAMATIC CHANGE OVER THE LAST 3 TO 4 YEARS ON THAT.

TIME ON TASK, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW LONG WE'RE WAITING AT THE HOSPITAL AND IF IT'S GOING UP OR DOWN.

SO WHILE TIME IS AN ISSUE BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A DRAMATIC INCREASE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS IN TERMS OF TIME ON TASK.

IF I COULD ADD ON TO THAT. SO WALL TIME FOR THE AUDIENCE.

THIS IS WHEN THE AMBULANCE ARRIVES AT THE HOSPITAL AND HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THAT PATIENT TO MOVE FROM THE GURNEY IN THE BACK OF THE AMBULANCE INTO A HOSPITAL BED AND ACTUALLY HAVE THAT TRANSFER OF CARE TAKEN FROM THE PARAMEDIC OR THE EMT TO THE NURSE AND THE DOCTORS IN THE HOSPITAL.

THERE HAS BEEN LEGISLATION THAT HAS GONE FORWARD THAT TELLS THE HOSPITALS THROUGH THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH THAT SHOULD TAKE NO LONGER THAN 30 MINUTES. WE ARE WORKING AS A FIRE SERVICE.

WE ARE UP AND DOWN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS IN THE HOSPITALS,

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ONE OPTION THAT HAS COME UP IS HAVING FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL STAGED AT HOSPITALS.

THAT IS NOT AN OPTION THAT WE SUPPORT. WE WANT OUR AMBULANCES BACK IN SERVICE.

THEY ARE PUBLIC AMBULANCES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY NEED TO BE BACK IN SERVICE, PROVIDING EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLING 911, NOT SUPPORTING HOSPITAL STAFF. SO THAT HAS MOVED OFF THE TABLE IN MOST AREAS AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE THAT HAS MOVED OFF THE TABLE.

BUT WE DO HAVE A CHARTER GROUP AND THAT IS MADE UP IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY OF THE YMCA.

HOSPITAL REPRESENTATIVES AND FIRE CHIEFS. I HAPPEN TO SIT IN THAT GROUP, AND WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME SOME REALLY STRONG AGREEMENTS TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT OUR HOSPITALS IN THE AREA ARE PART OF THAT AS WELL AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK FORWARD TO DRIVE THOSE THOSE WALL TIMES DOWN.

AND THEN YOU'RE MODELING FOR CHANGE FROM HAVING JUST AN EMT NON-SWORN TO ACTUALLY TURNING THEM INTO A SWORN FIREFIGHTER EMT.

IF YOU'RE ON A NON EMT, ONLY CALL THAT EMT. WHAT'S THEIR CAPACITY? WHAT ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO? NOTHING I'M ASSUMING.

SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. IF THE CALL IS A FIRE IS A VEHICLE ACCIDENT IS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT. THE EMT IS ESSENTIALLY WITHOUT A TASK.

I BELIEVE THAT'S YOUR QUESTION. AND IF IT IS, THAT IS CORRECT.

IF THE CALL IS A BASIC LIFE SUPPORT. SO NOT NEEDING ANY MEDICATIONS OR OR CHANGES IN THE HEARTBEAT THAT IS THE CALL THAT THE EMT IS ABLE TO PERFORM.

GOTCHA. LET'S GO OVER TO STAFFING OUR FIRE ENGINES.

WE ARE STAFFED, HOW? WITH FIRE ENGINES? HOW MANY PERSONNEL? OUR FIRE ENGINES ARE STAFFED WITH THREE PEOPLE.

WE HAVE A FIRE CAPTAIN, FIRE ENGINEER AND A PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER.

SO THE CAPTAIN IS THE ONE WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE CREW, SITS IN THE FRONT RIGHT SEAT, MANAGES ALL CREW ACTIVITIES, AND DIRECTS THOSE OTHERS ON THE APPARATUS DURING A FIRE, ENGINEER DRIVES AND OPERATES THE VEHICLE AND THE PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER HAS TWO ROLES.

ONE IS A PARAMEDIC PROVIDING ALS CARE FOR MEDICAL RELATED CALLS.

THE OTHER IS FIRE SUPPRESSION DUTIES FOR FIRE RELATED CALLS.

DESCRIBE TO ME REALLY QUICKLY WHAT A 2 IN 2 OUT POLICY IS ON STRUCTURE FIRES.

YEAH. TWO IN, TWO OUT IS A POLICY THAT IS OSHA DRIVEN, THAT REQUIRES TWO FOLKS TO BE INSIDE OF A STRUCTURE OR, EXCUSE ME, TWO FOLKS TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE IF TWO FOLKS ARE INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.

THERE ARE SOME EXEMPTIONS TO THAT FOR RESCUE SITUATIONS.

THOSE NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED EARLY ON THE SCENE AND ACTUALLY VERBALIZED TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS.

SO TYPICALLY, DEPENDING ON THE PACE OF CALL OF RESOURCES ARRIVING, THERE MAY BE A TIME WHERE YOU HAVE A FIRE ENGINE AND EITHER AN AMBULANCE OR ANOTHER FIRE ENGINE TO MAKE UP THAT FOUR FOR PEOPLE.

WHEN YOU GO INTO STRIKE TEAMS, TYPE ONE STRIKE TEAMS. I CAME DOWN HERE. POINSETTIA, FIRE. YOU'RE GOING OVER TO LA TO HELP THEM ON THESE STRIKE TEAMS. HOW MANY PERSONNEL DO YOU HAVE TO EQUIP IT WITH? ON THE STRIKE TEAMS AND ANY DEPLOYMENTS FOR MUTUAL AID OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA WE PROVIDE 4.

RIGHT? OKAY. HOW? CITY OF SAN DIEGO STAFFED? 3 OR 4? FOR CAL FIRE. TEMECULA. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT CAL FIRE AND TEMECULA.

PRETTY SURE THEY'RE FOR LA. LA IS 4. OKAY. AND THEN YEAH, THAT'S ALL FOR QUESTIONS, I'LL HAVE COMMENTS LATER.

OTHER QUESTIONS, MISS BURKHOLDER. THANK YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT IT.

SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND, THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE FIRE. AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON HOW MANY HOUSE FIRES WE'VE EXPERIENCED.

MAYBE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, OR IF THERE IS AN INCREASE OR DECREASE IN THOSE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO OUT OF THE 14,707 INCIDENTS WE HAVE ROUGHLY YEAR OVER YEAR, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF VARIABILITY, BUT 900 TO 1000 OF THOSE ARE RELATED TO FIRES.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN ALL 900 OF THOSE ARE STRUCTURE FIRES.

THAT 900 NUMBER INCLUDES THINGS LIKE VEHICLE FIRES, SHED FIRES.

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WHEN YOU TAKE IT DOWN TO SIMPLY STRUCTURE FIRES OR FIRES THAT ARE INVOLVING A STRUCTURE, WE GET DISPATCHED TO ABOUT 100 OF THOSE A YEAR AND THEN IN TERMS OF NOT ALL OF THOSE END UP BEING STRUCTURE FIRES AS WELL.

SOMETIMES WE GET THERE AND IT'S FOOD ON A STOVE THAT WAS LEFT UNATTENDED.

AND WE CAN MITIGATE THOSE WITHOUT THE STRUCTURE BEING INVOLVED.

SO WHEN YOU BRING IT DOWN TO FIRES THAT WE WOULD CLASSIFY AND SEND TO THE NATIONAL REPORTING SYSTEM AS BUILDING FIRES, IT'S ABOUT 35 TO 45 A YEAR AND THEN PRIMARY CAUSES FOR THOSE.

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT THAT'S A YOU NOTICE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TRENDS IN ORIGIN AND CAUSE THAT STICK OUT TO ME.

I COULD ASK OUR FIRE MARSHAL IF SHE'S STILL HERE, IF SHE'S HAD ANY.

AND THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS I'M. WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR PRESENTATION, MISS DAVIDSON, IT MADE ME THINK OF ANY RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR HOMEOWNERS IN THE AGE OF BATTERIES EVERYWHERE AND SCOOTERS AND BICYCLES AND ALL THAT, WITH SIMILAR TO THE HAZARD REDUCTION PROGRAM IF WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR HOMEOWNERS AND RENTERS.

AND RESIDENTS HERE IN THE CITY. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, FIRE MITIGATION FOR HOMES.

WE'LL INVITE OUR FIRE MARSHAL UP. THANK YOU. SORRY.

ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT SPECIFIC MITIGATION? WE DID RUN A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE EDUCATION CAMPAIGN ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN WE STARTED SEEING OUR FIRST LITHIUM ION BATTERY FIRES HERE IN CARLSBAD AND AFTER THAT, WE DID SEE A DROP OFF. I THINK SOME OF THAT WAS AWARENESS OF HOMEOWNERS BUYING APPROPRIATE EQUIPMENT, USING IT APPROPRIATELY. AND WITH THAT COMPOUNDED WITH, I THINK SOME OF THE SAFETY FEATURES OF THESE PRODUCTS WERE IMPROVED.

AND WITH THAT, WE'VE ALSO BEEN RUNNING A COMPREHENSIVE SMOKE ALARM INSTALLATION PROGRAM BECAUSE ONE OF THE BEST FEATURES IS EARLY AWARENESS OF THAT.

SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KNOCK OUT A FIRE QUICKLY AND GET RESIDENTS OUT BEFORE IT BECOMES A BIG PROBLEM.

GREAT. I KNEW YOU WERE ON IT. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IT SEEMS LIKE I RECALL THE FIREFIGHTERS ROTATE THROUGH THE FIRE STATIONS.

YES OR NO? THAT'S RIGHT. I'M NOT. THAT IS CORRECT.

THERE'S AN ANNUAL PROCESS WHERE WE CALL IT THE BID.

THEY GET TO BID, WHICH FIRE STATION THEY'RE AT, AND THAT HAPPENS ANNUALLY.

IF IT WERE ME, I'D WANT FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE, NOT BECAUSE IT'S IN MY DISTRICT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S THE BUSIEST AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

YOU WANT TO BE BUSY ALL NIGHT LONG IF YOU'RE WORKING THAT MIDNIGHT SHIFT. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. I MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MISS ACOSTA? THANK YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHICH ONES I THINK ARE THE BEST BECAUSE DISTRICT FOUR HAS A COUPLE.

I WAS WONDERING IN JUST LOOKING AT THE DATA IN HERE AND ALSO REFLECTING ON WHAT I'D SEEN IN THE SLIDES, WAS 2024 KIND OF A LOWER NUMBER YEAR THAN 2023.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHY? I KNOW OUR FIRE MARSHAL JUST SAID SHE DIDN'T SEE SPECIFIC TRENDS, BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE HAD ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHY THAT MAY HAVE BEEN.

MAYBE IT'S OUR GREAT COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM, GREAT PREVENTION.

SO IN LOOKING AT THE DATA FROM 2024 TO 2023, THERE WAS ABOUT 500 CALL DIFFERENCE IN THE TOTAL INCIDENT COUNT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT REDUCTION SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS ADDED RESOURCES THAT HELPED US OUT IN TERMS OF NOT ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE FROM AUTOMATIC AID FROM CARLSBAD UNITS.

SO IF WE'RE NOT GOING THERE, OUR INCIDENT COUNT WENT DOWN AND IT WAS REALLY CLOSE TO ONE FOR ONE.

SO THE 500 REDUCTION IN THE TOTAL CALL VOLUME, WE SAW ABOUT 500 REQUESTS FOR SERVICE FOR AUTOMATIC AID TO BE VERY CONSISTENT.

GREAT. THANK YOU AND I SURE WE DON'T WANT TO CALL IT SPECIFICALLY, BUT I'M WONDERING WHICH SIDE OF THE CITY THAT WAS NORTH, EAST OR SOUTH PART OF THE CITY THAT WE SAW LESS REQUESTS FROM OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.

SO IT'S REALLY A DELICATE BALANCE AND EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION WE TALKED ABOUT AUTOMATIC AID, HOW IT'S A GOOD THING, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE A BAD THING IF YOU BECOME RELIANT ON ANOTHER AGENCY.

SO THE FIRE CHIEFS, WE MEET ONCE A MONTH AT A AT A MINIMUM, AND WE SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

SO RATHER THAN IT BEING ONE CITY SPECIFICALLY AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ADDING RESOURCES, IT'S FINDING DIFFERENT DEPLOYMENT MODELS WITH THE RESOURCES YOU HAVE OR EVEN MOVING. YOU TYPICALLY HAVE A FIRE ENGINE AT EVERY STATION, BUT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE AN AMBULANCE AT EVERY STATION.

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SO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE WERE MADE SYSTEMWIDE ACROSS THE REGION AS PART OF THE NORTH ZONE, NOT NECESSARILY ONE AGENCY SPECIFICALLY. OKAY.

GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I DO REMEMBER WHEN THE STANDARDS OF COVER REPORT CAME OUT.

AND THIS COUNCIL OR PREVIOUS MAKEUP OF THIS COUNCIL REALLY WANTED TO INVEST IN HELPING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD HAVE LOWER RESPONSE TIMES AND THAT WE COULD IMPROVE OUR NUMBERS.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE MADE GREAT PROGRESS, BUT WE STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO.

I AM WONDERING HOW LEGISLATION AND THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER THAT WE SAW UP ON THE SCREEN EARLIER MAY IMPACT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.

WILL THERE BE THINGS REQUIRED FROM THAT WE SEE COMING DOWN THE LINE THAT WILL BE REQUIRED FROM THE STATE OR EVEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS THAT WILL CAUSE US TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE MAKE UP OUR RESPONSE TEAMS. SO I FOLLOW THE LEGISLATION QUITE RIGOROUSLY, BOTH AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THAT WILL IMPACT THE WAY WE STAFF AND DEPLOY OUR RESOURCES.

MOST OF THE STUFF WE'RE SEEING ARE IMPACTS TO THE BUILD TIMES.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO BUILD A FIRE ENGINE OR A LADDER TRUCK? AND THEN THE OTHER LEGISLATION IS AROUND, WHY ARE THE TRANSFER TIMES FROM A 911 SYSTEM TO A HOSPITAL SYSTEM SO LONG, SO TRYING TO FIX THOSE? AND THEN AT THE PROCLAMATION THAT YOU SAW ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT, THE WHAT CAN WE DO? OR WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE SOME OF THE FIRE MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT CAN BE DONE? AND IT'S REALLY HAS TO DO WITH A LOT OF THE BUREAUCRACY IN TRYING TO WORK ON LANDS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY OWNED BY A PRIVATE PARTY, BUT ARE EITHER CALIFORNIA FISH AND WILDLIFE OR U.S.

FISH AND WILDLIFE COASTAL COMMISSION SEQUA. SO ALL OF THE HOOPS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TO TRY AND DO THOSE MITIGATION EFFORTS.

GREAT. THANK YOU. AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP ON THE BUILD TIMES.

COULD YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE BUILD TIMES AND THE LENGTH OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN KIND OF ROADBLOCK OR BOTTLENECK IS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY. LIKE IT'S TAKING A LONG TIME BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S MAKING THE ORDERS AND THERE'S ONLY 1 OR 2 PRODUCERS IN THE COUNTRY OF FIRE ENGINES.

THAT'S CORRECT. THERE IS ONLY 1 OR 2. THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPANIES, BUT REALLY THE BUILDING OR THE MANUFACTURING COMES FROM 1 OR 2 COMPANIES IN THE COUNTRY. SO THERE'S WHAT ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE A LEFTOVER FROM THE COVID PANDEMIC, WHERE THERE WERE SOME SHORTAGES IN SUPPLIES AND WORKFORCE.

AND THEN PLUS THE BACK ORDERS, BECAUSE A LOT OF STUFF COULDN'T BE BUILT DURING THOSE TIMES.

THAT HAS STARTED TO TRANSITION TO WHERE WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY RECOVERY FROM THAT ON THE BUILDING OF THOSE FIRE ENGINES AND LADDER TRUCKS.

SO YOUR UNIONS, THE LABOR GROUPS, WHETHER IT BE CALIFORNIA FIRE CHIEFS OR INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE CHIEFS, HAVE TEAMED UP WITH LEAGUE OF CITIES FOR CALIFORNIA AND NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE BACK TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO LOOK FOR SOME HELP ON THESE BUILD TIMES AND IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILD TIMES, IT'S THE COST OF THE VEHICLES AS WELL. SO THERE ARE GROUPS THAT ARE LOOKING INTO THAT AND SEEING IF THEY CAN FIND SOME TYPE OF RELIEF THROUGH CONVERSATION OR POTENTIALLY SOME ACTIONS. GREAT. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR RESPONSES IN THE PRESENTATION.

THANKS, MISS BHAT-PATEL. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. SO ONE IS AROUND.

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED HAVING TO LOOK AT REMODELING STATION ONE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT, I'M GOING TO SAY STATION FOUR, AND I KNOW THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT TIME FRAME FOR THOSE AS WELL.

YES. SO STATION FOUR IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE FIRE STATIONS THAT WILL NEED TO BE REMODELED AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CALL VOLUME THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE DIFFERENT STATIONS, THE STATION THAT HAS THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME IS OUR OLDEST STATION, AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY, WALKING BY, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THE ENTRYWAY, IF YOU SEE A FIRE ENGINE COMING IN OR OUT OF THAT FIRE STATION, YOU HAVE ABOUT AN INCH OF CLEARANCE.

WHEN THAT STATION WAS BUILT, FIRE ENGINES WERE MUCH SMALLER.

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IF WE GO BACK TO 2016, SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE THIS WAS ONLY THAT STATION WAS ONLY HOUSED TO STAFF.

1 PERSON STATIONED ONE. IT WAS HOUSED TO STAFF THREE.

WE'VE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO STAFF FIVE I THINK WE CAN PUT SIX THERE NOW, BUT YOU CAN ONLY PUT SO MANY BAND-AIDS ON BEFORE YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE TO REBUILD. SO STATION ONE, THAT'S WHY IT'S THE PRIORITY IN CONJUNCTION WITH STATION SEVEN, WHICH IS NOT A PERMANENT FIRE STATION YET. SO WE WILL IF I WERE TO SAY TODAY, WHAT STATION WOULD COME NEXT, IT WOULD BE STATION FOUR. BUT THAT WOULD BE A DECISION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE ON THE PROPER TIMELINE.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE VOLUME OF CALLS AND ANY NEEDS AT THOSE SPECIFIC STATIONS, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT THE NEXT PRIORITY.

AND I JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, AS YOU WERE TALKING, I WAS THINKING, I KNOW THAT FIRE STATION ONE AND FOUR HAD THE HIGHEST, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CALLS UNTIL WE ADDED FIRE STATION SEVEN AND SO OBVIOUSLY NOW WE'RE SEEING THAT DISTRIBUTION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE REGARDLESS, IT'S ON THE IT'S IN THE PIPELINE.

AND OF COURSE IT'S BASED ON NUMBER OF CALLS AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, I CHECK PULSE POINT ONCE IN A WHILE BECAUSE I'M A NERD AND I SEE THAT FIRE STATION ONE IS OBVIOUSLY GETTING A LOT OF THOSE CALLS AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I IT'S MORE OF A RE-EMPHASIZE POINT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU MENTIONED 2.7 MILLION PEOPLE VISITED JUST THAT ONE MILE STRETCH OF OUR BEACH.

SO THAT'S JUST THAT ONE MILE STRETCH. AND THEN WE HAVE SIX MORE MILES THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER OF PEOPLE VISITING OUR BEACHES.

THAT'S CORRECT AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT IS AN ANNUAL STATISTIC.

SO THAT IS NOT DAILY. NO, BUT THAT'S STILL A LOT.

THAT'S A LOT THAT'S ON TOP OF OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE DOING ANYWAYS WITH REGARDS TO OUR RESIDENCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO REEMPHASIZE THAT OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST HAVE COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. ON SLIDE NUMBER 12, YOU SHOWED THE TIMES THE RESPONSE TIMES, BUT YOU TOOK OUT THE TIME FOR PROCESSING THE CALL, THE DISPATCH TIME.

IF SOMEBODY IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK, THAT TIME STILL COUNTS.

AND I KNOW YOUR EXPLANATION WAS YOU'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT CAN WE PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT THAT NEXT TIME IF WE DO GET THAT SOLVED BECAUSE SIX MINUTES FROM DISPATCH TIME TO ARRIVAL TIME IS GOOD.

BUT WE CAN'T FORGET THAT MINUTE AND A HALF THAT'S GOING THROUGH DISPATCH.

SOMEBODY'S STILL LAYING ON THE LIVING ROOM FLOOR HOPING TO GET THEIR PARAMEDICS THERE.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE TRACK OF THAT.

ALSO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MANNING OUR AMBULANCES WITH TWO PARAMEDICS.

WE ALSO HAVE BOUNDARY DROP WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, DO THEY DO TWO PARAMEDICS OR ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO ONE PARAMEDIC AND ONE EMT? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CITIES WILL BE PROPOSING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE WAY THAT THEY'RE STAFFED TODAY.

THE CITY, A CITY TO THE NORTH OF US, HAS EXPERIMENTED WITH A COMBINATION OF AMBULANCES.

SO SOME OF THEIR AMBULANCES HAVE TWO PARAMEDICS, SOME OF THEIR AMBULANCES HAVE ONE PARAMEDIC AND EMT.

THEY HAVE EXPERIMENTED WITH SOMETHING CALLED A RESCUE SQUAD.

SO IT'S TWO FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS ON A PICKUP TRUCK.

BASICALLY, THEY ARE NOT A TRANSPORT UNIT. THEY JUST STOP THE CLOCK, MEANING THEY THEY TRY AND GET TO THE CALL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THERE IS IF I LOOK TO THE EAST OF US, WE HAVE ONE CITY THAT IS ONE PARAMEDIC, ONE EMT.

WE HAVE ANOTHER CITY THAT HAS TWO PARAMEDIC, TWO FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS AND THEN THERE'S THE CSA COUNTY SERVICE AREA.

17 TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS A WHOLE NOTHER ANIMAL PRIVATE AMBULANCE CONTRACT THAT COULD BE STAFFED IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

SO I GUESS THE ANSWER IS THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY.

I GET IT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORING CITIES, HOW MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, OR AT LEAST THE CITIES IN THE COUNTY MAN A 4 FIRE PERSON OR FIREMAN? FIRE ENGINE? I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE AERIAL LADDER TRUCK.

FOUR PERSON AERIAL LADDER TRUCK? OR WOULD YOU ALSO LIKE INFORMATION ON A FOUR PERSON FIRE ENGINE AND [INAUDIBLE]? BOTH. OKAY. SO LET'S START WITH THE AERIAL LADDER TRUCK.

CARLSBAD IS A FOUR PERSON AERIAL LADDER TRUCK.

OCEANSIDE. FOUR PERSON SAN MARCOS IS LOOKING AT MOVING TO A FOUR PERSON.

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YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE VISTA IS THREE. ESCONDIDO, 4.

ESCONDIDO IS 4 AND THEN AS YOU MOVE FURTHER SOUTH, SAN DIEGO IS 4.

CHULA VISTA IS FOUR. THE CITIES THAT MAKE UP THE CENTRAL AREA.

SO EL CAJON AND THOSE IN THAT AREA ARE 4. CURRENTLY FOUR.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT FIRE ENGINES? SO FIRE ENGINES. CITY OF SAN DIEGO IS FOR CHULA VISTA, FOR NATIONAL CITY, FOR EL CAJON AND THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT AGENCIES IN THAT AREA ARE FOR THE REST, I BELIEVE THE REST ARE THREE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME OF THE DOD DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, CAMP PENDLETON.

SOME OF THEIR ENGINES HAVE 4, AND MIRAMAR, 4.

AND THEN FINALLY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PLAN FOR UPDATING OUR FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE ACROSS THE STREET.

WE HAVE A PLAN COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE ABOUT RENOVATION OF CITY HALL.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INCLUDING FIRE STATION ONE AS PART OF THAT CITY HALL RENOVATION? SO AS FAR AS THE TIMING FIRE STATION ONE HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED AT OCCURRING AROUND THE SAME TIME AS FOR WHICH WHETHER THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THE CITY HALL RENOVATION COULD BE USED FOR FIRE STATION ONE.

I DO NOT HAVE THE CONCRETE ANSWER TO THAT. WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY CONTEMPLATED AT DOING IT AROUND THE SAME TIME SINCE THE PROXIMITY OF FIRE STATION ONE IN THIS AREA. THERE'S NO TALK ABOUT INCORPORATING THE TWO TOGETHER.

THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WITH PLANS COMING FORWARD WHEN THE TIME IS APPROPRIATE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMENTS. MR. SHIN, THANKS FOR THE REPORT AND ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS.

I AM REALLY GLAD THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, BECAUSE WHAT I SEE IS OUR NEXT BATCH OF FIREFIGHTERS.

YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT YOU GUYS AND GIRLS, SO I SEE THAT, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE ONE OF THE GREATEST FIRE DEPARTMENTS FOR THEM AS WELL. THEY CAN SERVE US PROUDLY. SO IN REGARDS TO THE NEED FOR THE FIRE TRUCK, I THINK WE'RE WOEFULLY BEHIND ON GETTING A SECOND FIRE TRUCK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A RESERVE. SO THAT MEANS WE'RE RELYING ON OTHER CITIES AND WE'RE PROBABLY SCRATCHING BIOMECHANICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR ITS AGE.

SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THAT. I THINK WITH THE UNEXPECTED HOUSING INCREASE THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED NOT JUST ONE.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED 2. I THINK WE NEED ONE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, IN THE VILLAGE. AND THEN I THINK WE NEED ONE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE 40MI² THAT WE HAVE HERE. RIGHT? I'M PROBABLY GIVING OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR COMPLETE HEART ATTACKS RIGHT NOW, SO HOPEFULLY WE RESPOND ON HIM. IN REGARDS TO RESCUE AMBULANCES, I THINK THERE'S GREAT RISK AND LIABILITY WHEN BOTH ARE NOT SWORN.

I THINK WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THE FIREFIGHTER HAS TO TRAIN SOMEBODY ON THE JOB WHILE EMERGENCY CALLS ARE TAKING PLACE, AND WE'RE BASICALLY HAVING TO PRACTICE WHAT WE'RE PREACHING TO OUR PATIENTS WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE.

I'VE JUST SEEN IT FIRSTHAND, AND I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE THE MODELING I WANT SWORN FIREFIGHTERS THAT KNOW THE JOB, THAT DON'T LOOK CONFUSED WHEN THEY'RE ON SCENE, AND THAT THEY'RE READY TO ROCK WHEN WE HAVE EMERGENCY CALLS.

SO I SEE THE MODELING THAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.

I'LL GIVE YOU MY EXPERIENCE. I WAS A WE WERE A THREE PERSONNEL FIRE ENGINE SURROUNDED BYLA CITY AND COUNTY.

THAT WAS 4 PERSON AND SO I HAD TO TAKE THE TASK OF BEING THE SENIOR FIREFIGHTER, IN A SENSE AS A FIRE CAPTAIN, BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING ALL THE JOBS. WHAT YOU DO IS YOU, POSE SUCH A HUGE RISK BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE SCENE LOOKS LIKE.

SO I KNOW EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN IN PUBLIC SAFETY WANTS TO SEE THE SCENE, AND YOU'RE HOPING THAT YOUR COMMANDER IS SEEING THE SCENE.

SO WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, I'M PICKING UP HOSE, I'M PICKING UP PATIENTS, I'M DOING OTHER THINGS, AND THEN THINGS CAN GET LOST IN THAT PROCESS.

I'VE SEEN IT BECOME VERY OPERATIONALLY UNSOUND.

I HOPE THAT DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT A FOURTH FIREFIGHTER IN THERE, OR A SECOND FIREFIGHTER AND A FOURTH PERSONNEL, WHEN WE RESPOND ON STRIKE TEAMS, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHO'S GOING TO BE OUR FOURTH PERSON, THAT WE'RE GOING TO ROB FROM ONE APPARATUS TO ANOTHER AND THEN GO ON AN ASSIGNMENT, AND WE CAN HELP PROTECT THE OTHER CITIES AROUND US AND WITH THAT, I JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUYS'S TIME.

THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS, MISS BURKHOLDER, JUST TWO COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. ONE IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AND I DO SIT ON THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED BILLS THAT WOULD HELP THE COMMUNICATION WITH DECREASING THE WALL.

TIME FOR YOU GUYS THAT HAVE TO GO OUT AND WAIT HALF OF YOUR WHOLE SHIFT WAITING TO GET SOMEONE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

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SO THANK YOU. WE'LL GET ANOTHER FIRE TRUCK OUT OF THIS OR SOMETHING.

OR WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, AERIAL LADDER. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS, MISS ACOSTA. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AND ALSO FOR YOUR INNOVATION.

YOU KNOW, REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR US, HOW WE CAN DO THESE THINGS WITHOUT OVERSPENDING, YOU KNOW, BEING MINDFUL OF OUR BUDGET, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE TO ADAPT TO CHANGING TIMES, WHETHER THAT'S THE INCREASED HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE GOING INTO OR MORE DENSITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE FRONT END, THE PREVENTIVE AND MITIGATION COMMUNICATION THAT WE CAN GIVE TO THE PUBLIC.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT WORK BEING DONE BY OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I SUPPORT YOU SO MUCH, AND I REALLY WANT TO FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO STAY TOP NOTCH.

I'M SO PROUD OF US. I FEEL LIKE ALL OF OUR FIRE STATIONS ARE PRETTY AWESOME.

I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO INVEST EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT, I GET IT.

STATION ONE AND ALSO SEVEN, YOU KNOW, REALLY NEED A LOT OF ATTENTION AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING WE'RE PRIORITIZING THEM.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE GREAT THINGS OUT OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.

MISS BHAT-PATEL. YES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AGAIN.

I JUST I WANTED TO SAY THAT I KNOW I THINK IT WAS THE MAYOR AND MYSELF WHEN YOU FIRST PRESENTED THE STANDARDS OF COVER BACK IN 2020, AND THEN I KNOW COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA JOINED US WHEN WE MADE THE DECISIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY OPERATIONALIZE WHAT YOU, YOU ALL HAD PUT FORWARD. AND SO IT'S COOL TO SEE THE UPDATE AND JUST RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, AND HEAR HOW IT'S BEEN GOING AND OF COURSE NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE, OKAY, WE NEED ONE LITTLE ITEM THAT YOU ALL HAVE IT.

IT'S NOT REALLY LITTLE, BUT THE LATTER AERIAL LADDER TRUCK, WHICH IS AWESOME THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT NOW AND PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING IT SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, THE CRITICAL SERVICES THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE FOR THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, IT DOES SHOW JUST OVER TIME WHAT WE WOULD NEED IN TERMS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAD MENTIONED IN THERE JUST A NEED FOR THE STATIONS IN GENERAL. THIS STATION SEVEN THAT WE HAVE, THE TEMPORARY ONE IS ONE OF OTHERS THAT ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR STANDARDS OF COVER THAT'S NOT BEING ASKED FOR. BUT I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THOSE EXTRA STATIONS, WE'RE STILL ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. OUR TEAM IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES TO THE CITY AND CLEARLY THOSE RESPONSE TIMES ARE SHOWING THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF KUDOS FROM THE REST OF THE TEAM AND JUST SAY THAT YOU ALL ARE CLEARLY ADDRESSING THOSE NEEDS.

THE OTHER PIECE I JUST WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST STARTED BACK IN 2018 AND THE NEED FOR AMBULANCES WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD HEARD NOT ONLY FROM OUR FIRE PERSONNEL, BUT ALSO ACTUALLY FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS INTERESTING AND SO JUST HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE ADDED THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S AWESOME AND THEN THE EMT PROGRAM CHIEF, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD.

I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD THOUGHT UP AND BROUGHT TO LIFE, AND I THINK IT'S JUST A GREAT WAY TO GET FOLKS INTO THE PROFESSION.

AND HOPEFULLY IF THEY DECIDE TO STAY WITH US, MAYBE GET, YOU KNOW, TRAINED UP AND CONTINUE TO DO GOOD WORK IN THAT CAPACITY, TOO. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND, I JUST WANTED TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE LADDER TRUCK.

DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT FOR THAT OR IS THAT JUST YOU'LL COME BACK TO US AT A SEPARATE TIME? OKAY. THIS REQUEST WILL BE PART OF THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET.

OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. I THINK IT WAS 6 OR 8 YEARS AGO.

WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING THE AMBULANCES AND MANNING A PARAMEDIC AND AN EMT.

I LOST THE VOTE IN A 2 TO 3 VOTE. I PUSHED FOR TWO PARAMEDICS ON EACH ONE.

IT'S FUNNY HOW THINGS COME FULL CIRCLE. SO I'M STILL IN SUPPORT OF TWO PARAMEDICS ON EACH OF OUR AMBULANCES.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD AND IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE IN WHAT, FOUR YEARS OR SOMETHING.

WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THAT. SO THANK YOU.

LET ME JUST SO THIS IS JUST TO RECEIVE THE REPORT.

SO THERE'S NO VOTE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.

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SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL RECONVENE AT TEN MINUTES TO 7.

ORDER ITEM NUMBER 11, CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU.

[11. OPTIONS TO REVISE THE STRIPING PLANS ON THE 2023 SLURRY SEAL PROJECT – 1) Adopt a resolution authorizing revision of the striping plans on El Fuerte Street from Rancho Pancho to Loker Avenue to provide two vehicle lanes in each direction, restriping to the city’s current standard operating procedure for lane widths (Exhibit 1); or 2) Adopt a resolution authorizing revision of the striping plans on El Fuerte Street from Rancho Pancho to Faraday Avenue to provide two vehicle lanes in each direction, restriping to the city’s current standard operating procedure for lane widths (Exhibit 2); or 3) Adopt a resolution authorizing revision of the striping plans on El Fuerte Street from Rancho Pancho to Faraday Avenue to restore the striping to the pre-project lane configuration (Exhibit 3). (Staff contact: Tom Frank, Public Works) ]

AND TO WALK US THROUGH THESE OPTIONS. I'VE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR, TOM FRANK.

TOM. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, I'M TOM FRANK, I'M THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND CITY ENGINEER.

AND TONIGHT, TONIGHT'S RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO SELECT ONE OF THE THREE OPTIONS FOR REVISING THE STRIPING PLANS ON EL FUERTE STREET FROM FARADAY AVENUE TO RANCHO PANCHO. RESURFACING IS PART OF THE CITY'S ANNUAL PROGRAM TO MAINTAIN OUR PAVEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENSURE A SMOOTH DRIVE.

WHILE WE DO THIS, WE USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESTRIPE OUR ROADS ACCORDING TO OUR CITY'S STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

DOING SO IMPROVES TRAFFIC FLOW, ENHANCES SAFETY FOR ALL MODES OF TRAVEL, LENGTHENS THE ROAD'S USEFUL LIFE SAVING MONEY IN THE LONG RUN, AND REDUCES VEHICLE EXHAUST POLLUTION SINCE WE'RE KEEPING TRAFFIC MOVING.

A RECENT EXAMPLE OF RESTRIPING OUR ROADS, ACCORDING TO OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, IS AT CANNON ROAD BY PASEO DEL NORTE.

THE LEFT IS BEFORE, WHERE YOU HAVE TWO VEHICLE LANES AND A NARROW BIKE LANE, AND THE RIGHT IS AFTER, WHERE A STRIPING ESSENTIALLY CREATED THREE LANES, HELPING TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER.

YOU HAVE TWO VEHICLE LANES AND A THIRD LANE AS A WIDER BIKE LANE WITH GREEN PAINT, WHERE CARS AND BIKES SHARE THE ROAD.

IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR CARS TO TURN RIGHT FREELY.

HERE'S A SHORT VIDEO SHOWING HOW THAT WORKS.

BUT TODAY'S TOPIC FOCUSES ON EL FUERTE STREET BETWEEN FARADAY AVENUE AND RANCHO PONCHO.

HERE'S A MAP OF THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED STRIPING PLANS BASED ON COMMUNITY CONCERNS.

WE HEARD ABOUT THE RESTRIPING SPECIFICALLY IN THE SCHOOL AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS BETWEEN BRESSI RANCH WAY AND RANCHO PONCHO.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR RESTRIPING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

OPTION ONE RESTORES TWO VEHICLE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION FROM BRESSI RANCH WAY TO RANCHO PONCHO WHILE STRIPING.

ACCORDING TO OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, THIS OPTION KEEPS THE LANE REDUCTION IN A NORTHERN INDUSTRIAL AREA BETWEEN FARADAY AVENUE AND LOKER AVENUE. THIS AREA HAD ONE VEHICLE LANE BLOCKED OFF FOR MORE THAN A YEAR IN THE PAST, AS SEEN IN THE PHOTO. DUE TO PAVEMENT ISSUES AND STAFF DID NOT NOTICE.

OBSERVED CONGESTION IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA AT THAT TIME.

OPTION TWO RESTORES TWO VEHICULAR LANES IN EACH DIRECTION FOR THE WHOLE STRETCH BETWEEN FARADAY AVENUE AND RANCHO PONCHO.

WHILE STRIPING ACCORDING TO OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND OPTION 3 RESTORES TWO VEHICLE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION FOR THE WHOLE STRETCH BETWEEN FARADAY AVENUE AND RANCHO PONCHO.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE WOULD NOT RESTRIPE ACCORDING TO OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, SO IT WOULD HAVE WIDER VEHICLE LANES, BUT IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE SHARED RIGHT TURN AREAS AT THE INTERSECTIONS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO. HERE'S THE THREE OPTIONS SIDE BY SIDE.

FOR NEXT STEPS, BASED ON CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TONIGHT, STAFF WILL REVISE THE STRIPING PLANS AND ISSUE A CONSTRUCTION CHANGE ORDER.

WE ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO USE THE ROAD TO WATCH FOR THE DIGITAL MESSAGE BOARDS FOR THE LATEST CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE, WHICH IS UPDATED IN ADVANCE AT CARLSBAD, CA.GOV.

CONSTRUCTION. AND HERE ARE THE OPTIONS FOR YOUR RECOMMENDED ACTION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? YES, WE HAVE 2.

DAVID PIERCE FOLLOWED BY MATT MARASCIULLO. HI, MY NAME IS DAVID PIERCE. I'M FROM DISTRICT FOUR, LIFELONG RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD.

SO WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH TAKING AWAY THE LANE? I'VE HEARD THAT THE MORNING DROP OFF PERIOD AT PACIFIC RIDGE SCHOOL IS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE.

SOMETIMES THE LEFT TURN LANE OVERFLOWS INTO THE THROUGH LANE, AND BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE THROUGH LANE NOW, YOU CAN'T. IT'S ILLEGAL TO GO AROUND AND SO YOU GET STUCK EVEN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH.

SO WHAT COULD BE THE CAUSES OF THIS TRAFFIC? THERE ARE TWO POSSIBILITIES.

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SO PERHAPS THAT'S THE REASON. OR MAYBE THE REASON IS THAT THE LEFT TURNS HAVE INSUFFICIENT ROOM IN THE LEFT TURN BAY AND SPILL INTO THE THRU LANE. SO SLIDE FOUR. WHICH IS IT? WELL, WE CAN CRUNCH A FEW NUMBERS. THE MAXIMUM TRAFFIC FLOW IN A SINGLE CAR LANE IS ABOUT ONE CAR EVERY TWO SECONDS, WHICH BECOMES 1800 CARS PER HOUR. ON HIGHWAYS, THIS IS HOW THEY WORK.

THERE'S NO STOPLIGHTS, NOTHING STOPPING YOU UNTIL THERE'S GRIDLOCK ON SURFACE STREETS.

1800 CARS PER LANE IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE OF STOP SIGNS AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

SLIDE FIVE PLEASE. SO HOW CAN YOU CALCULATE THE MAXIMUM FLOW IN A GIVEN LANE ON A SURFACE STREET? YOU MULTIPLY 1800 BY THE FRACTION OF A CYCLE THAT IS GREEN IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO IF A STRAIGHT THROUGH LANE IS GREEN FOR ONE THIRD OF A CYCLE, 600 CARS CAN GO THROUGH IN ONE HOUR.

AT THE SCHOOL, IT IS A T INTERSECTION WITH THREE PHASES.

THE NORTH. CRUCIALLY, THE NORTHBOUND SINGLE LANE IS GREEN FOR TWO OUT OF THE THREE PHASES, SO AN ESTIMATE IS THAT IT IS GREEN FOR TWO THIRDS OF AN HOUR.

TWO THIRDS OF 1800 CARS PER HOUR IS 200. SO IS THERE ANYWHERE NEAR 1200 CARS USING THAT NORTHBOUND LANE? YESTERDAY I WENT THERE DURING THE MORNING SCHOOL DROP OFF AND RECORDED DATA.

I FOUND IN THE HALF HOUR BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED, 229 CARS WENT THROUGH THE NORTHBOUND LANE IN HALF AN HOUR.

THE CAPACITY OF THAT LANE IS 600, SO WELL UNDER HALF OF THE CAPACITY IS BEING USED.

WHERE WAS THE TRAFFIC JAM? THERE WAS NONE YESTERDAY.

IT SEEMS THAT THE MAIN CAUSE IS INDEED WHEN THE LEFT TURN BAY OVERFLOWS.

HOWEVER, YESTERDAY, ALL THREE TIMES IT OVERFLOWED, DRIVERS USED THE MEDIAN CROSSED CROSSING OVER THE DOUBLE YELLOWS AND PREVENTED BLOCKING THE THROUGH LANE. SO MY CONCLUSION IS THAT THE TWO THROUGH LANES ARE SOMETIMES UNNECESSARY, ESPECIALLY AT THE SCHOOL, AND THE SOLUTION IS TO EXTEND THE TURN BAY, LEAVE THE SINGLE THROUGH LANE, AND FINISH STRIPING ELSEWHERE. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BLACKBURN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE ON THIS MATTER. MY NAME IS MATT MARASCIULLO.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS AT PACIFIC RIDGE SCHOOL OVER IN BRESSI RANCH HERE IN CARLSBAD.

ONE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE SCHOOL IS OVERSEEING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR STUDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE ON OUR CAMPUS.

I SPOKE WITH CARLSBAD CITY ENGINEER AND DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION TOM FRANK, A FEW DAYS AGO, AND HAVE HAD EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WITH HIM. MY UNDERSTANDING AND MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM.

IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM THAT THERE WAS PROPER DUE DILIGENCE TAKEN IN MAKING THE CHANGES THAT THEY DID WITH THE STRIPING ON THAT STREET.

I FEEL THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF OUR SAFETY TO OUR STUDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE IMPACT OF OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS OF OUR CAMPUS.

JUST TO THE SOUTH THERE IN BRESSI RANCH, PACIFIC RIDGE SCHOOL HAS CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, APPROXIMATELY 7 TO 800 DAILY, THAT USE EL FUERTE TO ENTER OUR CAMPUS FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS, AND DURING NOT ONLY TWO SPOTS, BUT FOR DROP OFF AND PICKUP AS WELL IN THE AFTERNOON.

IT APPEARS THAT MOVING THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC LANE TO A SINGLE LANE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO A SINGLE BACKUP, SIGNIFICANT BACKUP, AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION AS THEY ENTER THE CAMPUS FROM THAT DIRECTION.

THIS, IN TURN, CREATES FRUSTRATION AMONGST THE LOCAL COMMUTERS AS WELL AS THE PARENTS AND STUDENTS.

STUDENTS ENTERING OUR CAMPUS. THIS ALSO POSES MANY SAFETY ISSUES THAT CONCERN US AS A SCHOOL AS WELL.

IN ADDITION, IT APPEARS THAT THE PARENTS AND STUDENTS ARE USING GREENHAVEN DRIVE IN OUR SOUTH NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY THERE, AS WELL AS PALMETTO DRIVE TO DROP OFF AND PICK UP THEIR STUDENTS.

DUE TO THE CHANGES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE, THE TEMPORARY CHANGES THAT ARE IN PLACE.

THIS PROJECT HAS CAUSED CONSIDERABLE CONSTERNATION AND FRUSTRATION AMONGST THEM, BECAUSE I RECEIVE EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS FROM THEM OFTEN.

PACIFIC RIDGE SCHOOL WORKS VERY HARD IN KEEPING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE NEIGHBORS, AND THIS PROJECT HAS EXACERBATED THEIR FRUSTRATION OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS, IN TURN, HAS CREATED AN ADDITIONAL SAFETY ISSUE OF THEIR OWN, WHICH THEY'VE CALLED ME MANY TIMES ABOUT.

SO I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION OF ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION.

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THIS WAS MY MINUTE MOTION TO BRING FORWARD. I GOT A LOT OF EMAILS AND A LOT OF CALLS, EVEN SOME IN-PERSON DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ALL THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, THE CHANGING TWO LANES INTO ONE LANE AND ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL ARGUMENTS FOR IT, I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS AND NOT JUST THIS ONE AREA, BUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY. SO I LOOKED AT THE PROPOSALS AND I DROVE ON TWO STREETS SEVERAL TIMES TO TRY IT OUT. I UNDERSTAND CASSIA IS A LITTLE BIT NARROWER ROADWAY CONSISTENT WITH CHOICE NUMBER TWO. IS THAT ACCURATE? WHERE THE LANES ARE A LITTLE THEY'RE WHAT, TEN FOOT LANES INSTEAD OF 11 FOOT WIDE? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? I BELIEVE CASSIE HAS TEN FOOT LANES.

YEAH. OKAY AND ALSO THE SAME THING WITH POINSETTIA NEAR PASEO DEL NORTE.

WHERE WE PUT A WIDER RIGHT TURN LANE AND BICYCLE LANE, BUT WE STILL KEPT TWO THROUGH LANES.

I THINK WE JUST MADE THEM A LITTLE BIT NARROWER.

WHEN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING LANES NARROWER, I WAS CONCERNED WITH ONCOMING TRAFFIC.

BUT AFTER DRIVING THESE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY COMING ACROSS THE CENTER DIVIDER.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT ANY ACCIDENTS. I THINK THAT IT'S COMPLETELY SAFE TO MAKE THEM THE TEN FOOT WIDE LANES, AND THEN TO MAKE THE WIDER BICYCLE LANE FOR CARS THAT WANT TO TURN RIGHT, RATHER THAN HAVE TO WAIT BEHIND ALL THE CARS IN THE NUMBER TWO LANE.

SO AFTER TALKING TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS, I DIDN'T FIND ANYBODY AT THE TIME UNTIL TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING, SIR. WHO THOUGHT THE SINGLE LANE WAS A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SPLIT ON WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE THE NARROWER THROUGH LANES OR THE WIDER THROUGH LANES.

SO I THAT WAS THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS BACK FORWARD.

SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME INPUT FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, BUT I'D ALSO JUST WANT TO BE UP FRONT AT THE END OF THIS.

I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE MOTION TO ASK THAT ANY TIME WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE AN AREA FROM TWO LANES TO ONE, THAT IT COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION AT THIS LEVEL RATHER THAN UPSETTING RESIDENTS, MAKING THEM CALL AND COME IN AND THEN WE CHANGE THINGS.

MR. SHIN, JUST ONE QUESTION. WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE SLURRY SEAL, WHEN IS THE NEXT TIME WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO THIS AS A MAINTENANCE. WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS PROJECT, WHEN WE ROTATE THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE TO COME BACK FOR\ THIS SAME EXACT THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO AGAIN, ROUGHLY, OUR TARGET IS ABOUT TEN YEARS.

OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S IT. MS. ACOSTA. JUST JUST ONE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. I'M WONDERING IF, FOR THOSE WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION NOW AND MAYBE DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY HEAR OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT LANE WIDTHS, IF YOU COULD DISCUSS KIND OF THE STANDARDS OF LANE WIDTHS AND WHY WE ARE WHY IT HAS BEEN A RECOMMENDATION OF YOU, MR. FRANK, AND OF OUR STAFF TO HAVE MORE NARROW LANE WIDTHS.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WITH ROAD DESIGN LANE WIDTHS.

CONSIDER SEVERAL FACTORS REGARDING THE TRAFFIC DATA.

ONE IS RELATED TO TRAFFIC VOLUME AND THE SPEEDS AT WHICH YOU WANT TO MOVE TRAFFIC.

SO THE SIMPLEST WAY TO THINK OF LANE WIDTHS FOR WIDER STREETS IS LIKE FREEWAY DESIGN.

THOSE THE FREEWAY TRAVEL LANES ARE DESIGNED AT 11 AND 12 FOOT TRAVEL LANE WIDTHS.

WE USE THAT SAME SORT OF LANE WIDTH FOR PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND EL CAMINO REAL ARE SIX LANE ARTERIALS.

SO WE HAVE 11 FOOT TRAVEL LANES ON THOSE PRIME ARTERIALS.

REGARDING OUR OTHER TYPE OF COLLECTOR ARTERIALS LIKE THE FOUR LANE ARTERIALS, WHICH THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

THOSE SERVE COMMUNITIES. SO WE LOOK AT ALL THE USERS OF THE ROADWAY AGAIN AND WHAT'S THE RIGHT BALANCE FOR MOVING THE TRAFFIC, THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC FIRST, ALONG WITH THEN APPROPRIATE WIDTHS FOR BICYCLE LANES AND PEDESTRIAN AREAS AND SO WITH THAT WE FOLLOW STATE AND OTHER DESIGN GUIDELINES WHICH HAVE LANE WIDTHS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 9 AND 12FT FOR, AS I MENTIONED, FOR CITY DESIGNS, TYPICALLY THEY RANGE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 9 AND 11FT AND SO FOR THIS TYPE OF A COLLECTOR ARTERIAL,

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IT'S USED FOR WIDER BIKE LANES. GREAT. THANK YOU AND THEN I JUST HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR THE MAYOR FROM WHAT HE HAD PREVIOUSLY SAID IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

THEN THE TWO TEN FOOT WIDE VEHICLE LANES WITH ONE SEVEN FOOT BIKE LANE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? JUST DON'T EVER GO UNDER TEN FEET AS A COMMERCIAL DRIVER.

IT'S JUST IT'S ROUGH TO GET THERE SO YOU'LL POTENTIALLY CAUSE ACCIDENTS.

MISS BURKHOLDER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? MISS ACOSTA, I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

THANKS, MISS BHAT-PATEL. YES. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO THANK ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT WROTE IN THIS IS IN COUNCIL MEMBER AND MY DISTRICT, AND THIS IS A CORRIDOR THAT I DRIVE VERY FREQUENTLY, WHETHER IT'S TO GO GRAB GROCERIES OR, YOU KNOW, MEET WITH OTHER RESIDENTS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH. I KNOW WHEN THIS STARTED COMING TO US, WHEN FOLKS STARTED WRITING IN, I DID HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO DRIVE THAT AREA AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT I WANTED TO SEE WHAT OTHER FOLKS WERE SEEING. SO I HAVE DRIVEN IT QUITE A FEW TIMES IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF OPTION NUMBER TWO. SO IF MAYOR, THAT'S A MOTION, I'M HAPPY TO SECOND THAT AND JUST TO REMIND FOLKS WHAT THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THE TWO VEHICLE LANES.

SO IT WOULD DO THAT. IT WOULD JUST HAVE A CHANGE IN THE WIDTH OF THE VEHICLE LANES.

SO OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD MAINTAIN EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS.

WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. THIS PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND THIS WAS THIS WAS CHOICE NUMBER TWO.

AND THEN MY OTHER MOTION WOULD BE THAT BEFORE WE CHANGE ANY OTHER STREETS IN THE CITY FROM TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION TO ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, THAT IT COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL. SECOND.

I JUST OH. THE CITY MANAGER AND I WERE TALKING AMONGST OURSELVES.

I THINK THE COUNCIL ALREADY APPROVES DESIGN PLANS WHEN THEY COME FORWARD.

IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN WE DO THE. SO WE ALREADY BRING THE DESIGN PLANS TO YOU.

I THINK IT MAY BE A MATTER OF HIGHLIGHTING THIS TYPE OF CHANGE WHEN IT DOES COME IN FRONT OF YOU.

WELL, THEY CAME IN FRONT OF US IN A LARGER PICTURE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY.

I'M ASKING THAT WE BRING IT BACK INDIVIDUALLY FOR ANY FUTURE LANE REDUCTIONS FROM TWO LANES TO ONE LANE, WHICH WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT BEING VOTED ON AS A LARGE CITY WIDE PICTURE.

SO I THINK, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION TO ASK STAFF TO HIGHLIGHT MORE THIS PARTICULAR THESE SORT OF CHANGES WHEN WE BRING THE BROADER PLANS FORWARD. I THINK ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF IS, ARE THERE ANY OF THESE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND REVIEWED BY COUNCIL IN PREVIOUS, IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR OR TWO THAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN? WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PUT A CREW OUT THERE AND DONE THE WORK ON.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN IMPORTANT QUESTION TO FIND OUT FROM STAFF AS WELL. DO WE HAVE ANY THAT ARE COMING? YES, SIR. WE DO. WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S UNDER DESIGN WHERE WE RECEIVED A GRANT FUND FOR ON PASEO DEL NORTE, SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND THAT REDUCES LANES.

IT'S BASICALLY A CONTINUATION OF THE LANE REDUCTION THAT'S FURTHER SOUTH GOING TOWARDS THE NORTH, BUT IT DOES REDUCE A SEGMENT OF THE LANES THERE.

IN ADDITION, THE REASON I ASKED THAT. THANK YOU TOM. THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS MOVING FORWARD, WE COULD CERTAINLY BE GIVEN DIRECTION FOR US TO HIGHLIGHT MORE OF THESE SORT OF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THERE MAY BE 1 OR 2 THAT ARE OUT THERE STILL AND SO YOUR MOTION MAY WANT TO INCLUDE ASKING US TO BRING A CLARIFICATION BACK ON THAT AS WELL.

YEAH. MY MOTION IS THAT BEFORE WE START TO DO THE TWO LANES INTO ONE, AND WE UPSET THE RESIDENTS AND MAKE THE RESIDENTS SPEND ALL THEIR TIME SENDING IN EMAILS AND CONTACTING US, BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL FIRST, AND THEN LET THE COUNCIL GIVE ITS BLESSING ON THE TWO LANES INTO ONE LANE FOR ANY OF THEM IN THE FUTURE. MAYOR, CAN WE EXTEND THAT TO. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.

CAN I, MAY I PLEASE ADD SOMETHING TO THAT AND THEN.

YES, PLEASE GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER SHIN. SOMETHING THAT I HAD ASKED DURING BRIEFING WAS AND THIS IS MAYBE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, WAS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.

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HOWEVER, MOST FOLKS ARE SO BUSY THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT WE'VE DONE THAT OUTREACH.

SO JUST MEETING FOLKS WHERE THEY'RE AT AND ENSURING THAT THEY'VE HAD THE ABILITY TO SEE THAT INFORMATION.

MAYBE IT'S MORE ROBUST OUTREACH TO ENSURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.

GETTING THAT FEEDBACK PRIOR TO US MAKING THAT DECISION, I THINK WOULD BE CRITICAL.

I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I MENTIONED DURING BRIEFINGS. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S QR CODES SO THAT FOLKS CAN TAKE SURVEYS, HEY, WE MIGHT BE CONSIDERING REDUCING THIS, YOUR CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO VOTE ON IT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE BETTER THAN JUST US DECIDING UP HERE.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OUR OPINIONS, BUT WE'RE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY, SO THAT WOULD HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION IN A MORE ROBUST MANNER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN THERE. BECAUSE I THINK, AGAIN, FOR A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE MIGHT BE VERY FEW SEGMENT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO KNOW TO SHOW UP.

AND SO I THINK WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO ECHO AND ELEVATE ANY OF THE INFORMATION OUT THERE, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT.

SO. MR. SHIN. YEAH, I WAS JUST HOPING IT COULD ACTUALLY BE EXTENDED BEYOND, JUST LIKE THE TWO LANES INTO ONE, THAT IF THERE'S LIKE REAL IMPEDIMENTS TO THE WAY IT'S TRAFFIC IS AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY TELL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ALSO ENCOMPASSES LIKE, THE CURB RELIEFS AND WHATNOT, BUT ANYTHING THAT I'M NOT SAYING EVERY SINGLE LITTLE NOOK AND CRANNY OR ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TELL WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUS WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE CONCERNED THAT THE METHODS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY IT'S GOING TO BE THROWN OFF.

SO IF IT'S LAST MINUTE, ALL THE SUDDEN WE'RE PUTTING THE STAMPS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LITTLE BIT OF A PANIC.

SO I JUST I WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT IN MY DISTRICT.

SO I DON'T KNOW YOUR GUYS'S THOUGHTS, MISS BURKHOLDER.

MR. FRANK. I'VE BEEN ON FIELD TRIPS WITH YOU IN MY DISTRICT, AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE BY NAME WHERE YOU PLAN ON PUTTING A STREETLIGHT OR WHERE YOU PLAN ON PUTTING A CROSSWALK OR WHATEVER IT IS, A BULB OUT, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO IN THE FIELD. I CAN RESPECT WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING, BUT I DO KNOW THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PEOPLE WHOM THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU KUDOS FOR THAT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MS. BHAT-PATEL? YES. THANKS, COUNCILMEMBER BURKHOLDER FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE I KNOW MR. FRANK, I MENTIONED THIS DURING BRIEFINGS, BUT I DO WANT FOLKS TO BE AWARE THAT OUR TEAM DOES DO A GREAT JOB.

I THINK THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BE EXPERTS AND DO WHAT THEY CAN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAY BE A RECOMMENDATION MAY NOT JIVE WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE SEEING THAT COME TO FRUITION TODAY. BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE TEAM ISN'T DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO.

I THINK IT'S JUST MORE OF HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO I'VE BEEN COACHED ON MY MOTION. I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA RAISING HER HAND.

OKAY. LET ME MAKE A QUICK COMMENT WHILE IT'S ON MY BRAIN.

MR. FRANK, I APPRECIATE THAT WHAT YOU DO IS SOUND, AND IT'S BASED ON INFORMATION THAT YOU COLLECT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DATA AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEN OUR JOB IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE GET THE TOUCHY FEELY WE THE ONES THAT WHO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON REPRESENTING OUR RESIDENTS.

SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER, WE JUST BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES IN THESE DECISIONS AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT YOU BASE IT ON.

BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S DIFFERENCES AND THAT'S JUST PART OF LIFE.

MISS ACOSTA. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE MOTION AFTER ALL THE DISCUSSION.

OKAY. I GOT COACHED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER.

PERFECT. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, HERE'S TECHNICALLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO SAY. BRING BACK ANY PENDING TWO LANES TO ONE LANE PROJECTS. HIGHLIGHT IN MORE DETAIL ANY FUTURE LANE REDUCTIONS OR DESIGN PROPOSALS WHEN COUNCIL HEARS THE ITEM AND ENHANCE PUBLIC OUTREACH ON THESE PROJECTS.

DOES THAT MEET OUR NEEDS? OKAY, THAT'S THE MOTION AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SECOND.

OKAY PLEASE VOTE AND CITY MANAGER, WORK ON YOUR HANDWRITING, PLEASE.

I WAS WRITING AS FAST AS I COULD. OKAY. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU AND THE FINAL PROJECT IS THE FINAL ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 12.

[12. LEASHED AND UNLEASHED DOGS IN THE CITY AND WHERE ENFORCEMENT OCCURS – Receive an informational report on leashed and unleashed dogs in the city and where enforcement occurs and provide any desired direction to staff. (Staff contact: Kyle Lancaster, Community Services) ]

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THANK YOU, SIR, AND GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, KYLE LANCASTER, PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR.

AND TO MY RIGHT, MR. REED SHIPLEY, ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF.

I WANT TO GO INTO A LITTLE FURTHER DETAIL ABOUT THAT MOTION THAT WAS REFERENCED.

IT WAS ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024, AND THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO RETURN TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON A FUTURE AGENDA WITH A DISCUSSION ITEM RELATED TO LEASHED AND UNLEASHED DOGS IN THE CITY AND WHERE ENFORCEMENT OCCURS.

STAFF. UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS RATHER. OTHER BROAD FOCUSED ITS ATTENTION ON WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE EMPHASIS BASED ON THE COUNCILMEMBERS COMMENTS. AND THAT WAS PARKS AND BEACHES IN PARTICULAR, AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS IN THOSE AREAS.

IN TERMS OF BACKGROUND. I DID WANT TO REFERENCE THAT WE PRESENTED THE COUNCIL A MEMORANDUM BACK IN MARCH OF 2022, JUST ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO FROM TODAY. IT WAS TITLED THE HISTORY OF AND PROHIBITION OF, AND THE STUDY OF THE ALLOWANCE OF DOGS IN PARKS. CITY COUNCIL DID NOT PROVIDE DIRECTION AT THAT TIME, NOR DID YOU REQUEST THAT A ITEM FORMALLY BE DOCKETED.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS TO YOU IN RECENT YEARS.

WE DID, HOWEVER, AT THAT SAME TIME THREE YEARS AGO, JUST A FEW DAYS LATER, PRESENT AN ITEM TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, AND WE INCLUDED THE MEMORANDUM, AND THE COMMISSION DID DISCUSS THE MATTER, BUT DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES AT THAT TIME.

SO THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS REGARDING DOGS IN PARKS AND BEACHES REALLY RUN THE GAMUT.

ON ONE SIDE, YOU HAVE THOSE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF DOGS, EITHER LEASHED OR UNLEASHED, DESPITE THE REGULATIONS THAT GENERALLY PROHIBIT THOSE DOGS IN THESE AREAS.

THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER SIDE THAT WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK THEIR DOG LEASHED AT DOG PARKS OR AT PARKS AND BEACHES, AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE ARE REGULATIONS PROHIBITING IT.

STILL FURTHER, YOU HAVE CONCERNS FROM SOME EXPRESSED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFF LEASH DOG PARKS OR THAT THE OFF LEASH DOG PARKS AREN'T LARGE ENOUGH AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, YOU HAVE THOSE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOME OWNERS DON'T PICK UP AFTER THEIR DOGS, AND THE EXCREMENT COULD BE ON FIELDS OR IN OTHER AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WIND UP STEPPING IN IT OR OTHERWISE HAVE A NUISANCE AND THEN FINALLY, THOSE OWNERS THAT ALLOW THEIR DOGS TO DESTROY THE TURF OR LANDSCAPE, PERHAPS DIGGING OR TEARING APART MATERIAL. THE REGULATIONS REGARDING DOGS IN THESE AREAS REALLY FALL UNDER TWO CATEGORIES SAN DIEGO COUNTY CODE AND THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE, AND WHERE BOTH CODES ADDRESS THE TOPIC.

THE MORE RESTRICTIVE OF THOSE REGULATIONS GENERALLY PREVAILS IN REGARD TO THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY CODE.

THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THAT CODE BY REFERENCE AND IN PARTICULAR RELATING TO ANIMAL CONTROL.

SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE LEASH LAW, SO TO SPEAK, OR OWNERS PICKING UP AFTER THEIR DOGS, THAT SET OF PROVISIONS IS FOUND WITHIN TITLE SIX HEALTH AND SANITATION OF THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY CODE.

THE REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO DOGS IN REGARDS TO WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED PARKS AND BEACHES ARE NOT ALLOWED. THAT'S REALLY SET FORWARD IN CHAPTER 11.32 AND I DID WANT TO DRAW OUT THE DEFINITION OF EACH.

PARKS IS RATHER BROAD. I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL THE DETAIL, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S MORE THAN YOUR TYPICAL DEFINITION OF PARK.

IT DOES INCLUDE PLANTED AREAS, INCLUDING TRIANGLES, TRAFFIC CIRCLES, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES TRAILS.

BEACHES IS GENERIC TO AREAS BORDERING THE OCEAN.

SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, DOGS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN EITHER PARKS OR BEACHES WITHIN THE CITY.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE A SERIES OF EXCEPTIONS, INCLUDING AT EACH OF THE LAGOONS WITH A UNSIGHTED PERSON OR A MEDICAL NECESSITY. IF THE DOG IS ASSISTING A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE COURSE OF DUTIES.

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OTHER PORTIONS OF THE UPPER SEAWALL ARE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC SIDEWALK, AND IN BOTH OF THOSE CASES, DOGS ARE ALLOWED. HOWEVER, THE LOWER SEAWALL DOGS ARE PROHIBITED, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A SPECIFIC REFERENCE SECTION 11.32.30 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT LIMITS THE USE OF THE LOWER SEAWALL TO PEDESTRIANS ONLY.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CAPTAIN SHIPLEY FOR A DISCUSSION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

YES. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MR. MAYOR. SO ENFORCEMENT OF REGULATIONS RELATED TO DOG ISSUES FALLS TO BOTH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS TO THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY.

HUMANE SOCIETY TYPICALLY FOCUSES ON BIKE RELATED ISSUES OR THE SPECIFIC LIKE DOG ANIMAL RELATED ISSUES, WHEREAS COMMUNITY GENERATED CALLS FOR SERVICE RELATED TO DOGS SUCH AS LIKE OFF LEASH OR SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES FALL TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS STAFFED WITH TWO PARKS RANGERS.

THOSE PARKS RANGERS WORK DURING THE DAYTIME, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND THEY SPLIT THEIR TIME.

WHICH MEANS THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE ONE DEDICATED PARK RANGER WHO PROACTIVELY ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS IN A VARIETY OF AREAS, SUCH AS OUR PARKS AND BEACHES AND LAGOONS. THAT'S BOTH ON AND OFF THE WATER IN OUR LAGOONS, AND THEY ARE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON TO ADDRESS AND RELATED TO OTHER MUNICIPAL CODES.

ARE DOG RELATED ISSUES IN PARKS AND OPEN SPACES? OTHER ENFORCEMENT CAN BE DONE BY OUR PATROL OFFICERS WHO ARE OUT WORKING IN THE FIELD, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IS GOING TO BE WHEN THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TIME RELATIVE TO CALLS FOR SERVICE AND OTHER ACTIVITY. IF THE MUNICIPAL CODE IS AMENDED TO BROADLY PERMIT LEASHED DOGS AT PARKS AND BEACHES AND OR BEACHES IN THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING WHATEVER SUBSEQUENT REGULATIONS COME OUT OF THAT DECISION.

TYPICALLY, THE WAY THAT WE ADDRESS ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY DUE TO THINGS LIKE OFF LEASH DOGS OR DOGS IN PARKS, IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LIKES TO ADOPT AN EDUCATION FIRST PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IN OUR POSTURE, WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS TO CONTACT THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE VIOLATING THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND CONDUCT EDUCATION, AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY. THIS IS VASTLY WELL RECEIVED AND IN ALMOST EVERY INSTANCE RESULTS IN COMPLIANCE ON THE PART OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE CONTACTING BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A VARIETY OF REGULATIONS ACROSS DIFFERENT CITIES RELATED TO DOGS AND PARKS AND SO MOST INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE RANGERS OR OFFICERS CONTACT ARE QUICK TO COMPLY WITH DIRECTIONS.

AS FAR AS A PERMITTING OF LEASH DOGS IN PARKS AND BEACHES, IT CAN BE CHALLENGING TO PREDICT PREDICT THE IMPACT ON OUR OPERATIONS SIMPLY BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS AUTHORIZED.

WE MAY BE SIMPLY EXCHANGING ENFORCEMENT OF NO DOGS IN THE PARK FOR NOW.

THERE ARE DOGS IN THE PARK, SO ENFORCING LIKE OFF LEASH OR SANITATION CONCERNS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT HAVING ADDITIONAL DOGS, BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE BRING THEM MAY RESULT IN SOME ADDITIONAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN DOGS.

BUT ULTIMATELY, THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ANTICIPATE ANY SIGNIFICANT OPERATIONAL IMPACTS IN THIS AREA.

WE TEND TO PATROL AND BE AT PARKS PRETTY REGULARLY DURING THE COURSE OF OUR DAY ANYWAY.

THERE MAY BE SOME OVERALL IMPACT IN JUST BITE RELATED INCIDENTS THAT WOULD FALL TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND RESULT IN THEIR INVOLVEMENT OR INVESTIGATION.

BECAUSE WHEN MULTIPLE DOGS ARE IN ONE AREA, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE CONFLICT.

BUT OVERALL, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T ANTICIPATE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS BASED ON THIS POTENTIAL DECISION.

JUST HAVE A HANDFUL OF ADDITIONAL SLIDES TO CLOSE IT OUT.

WE DID SURVEY THE OTHER 17 CITIES IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

ALL OF THOSE CITIES OFFER ONE OR MORE DESIGNATED UNLEASHED DOG AREAS AT ACCESSIBLE PARKS AND BEACHES.

THEY ALSO ALLOW LEASH DOGS ON CITY TRAILS. THEY PERMIT LEASH DOGS AT ALL PARKS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF

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STILL, OTHER CITIES, SUCH AS SANTEE, LA MESA, AND DEL MAR PROHIBIT DOGS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF SOME PARKS, SUCH AS PLAYGROUNDS OR SPORTS FIELDS, AND A FEW OF THE CITIES ALSO PERMIT LEASH DOGS AT CERTAIN BEACHES.

THAT IS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT HERE IN CARLSBAD, THOUGH, BECAUSE THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE BULK OF THE BEACHES WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS, NONE OF THE CITIES THAT WERE RESPONSIVE TO OUR INQUIRIES INDICATED THAT THEY HAD CLAIMS THAT HAD BEEN PAID, OR LITIGATION THAT HAD BEEN INITIATED REGARDING DOG INCIDENTS IN PARKS OR BEACHES.

IN TERMS OF THE FISCAL ANALYSIS MEMORANDUM THAT I REFERENCED FROM THREE YEARS AGO DOES PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE OF COSTS FOR ALLOWING DOGS IN PARKS ONLY.

IT DID NOT ENTERTAIN BEACHES AT THAT TIME, AND AT THAT TIME, THE NUMBERS WERE ROUGHLY $50,000 IN INITIAL COSTS FOR THINGS LIKE CHANGING SIGNAGE, INSTALLING DOG WEIGH STATIONS AND THE LIKE, AND THEN ABOUT A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION, 250,000 ONGOING FOR VARIOUS TYPES OF SANITATION THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY, AND STOCKING THESE DOG WEIGH STATIONS, EMPTYING THE CONTAINERS, ETC. THE FIGURES ARE, HOWEVER, THREE YEARS OLD.

IF THE COUNCIL WANTED US TO COME BACK, WE WOULD NEED TO ADJUST THOSE FIGURES AND BRING BACK CURRENT DATA AND SO IF CITY COUNCIL DOES WANT US TO PURSUE THOSE AMENDMENTS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT.

NEXT STEPS. SAN DIEGO COUNTY OR SAN DIEGO HUMANE HUMANE SOCIETY AND THE CARLSBAD POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO ENFORCE THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS CONCERNING DOGS AT BEACHES AND PARKS, UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTS OTHERWISE AND WITH THAT, YOUR RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATION REPORT AND PROVIDE ANY DIRECTION TO STAFF. THANK YOU.

WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? MR. SHIN? JUST TWO QUESTIONS. SO WHEN IT COMES TO, LIKE, LEASH DOGS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE THAT VIOLATION OCCUR? YOU UNLEASHED DOGS, LEASH DOGS, LIKE DOGS IN THE PARK WITH THEIR OWNERS LEASHED TO THEIR.

OKAY. VERY REGULARLY, I WOULD SAY IT'S VERY MUCH A DAILY OCCURRENCE AND I THINK COMMON PEOPLE'S COMMON EXPERIENCE IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR PARKS THAT ARE WALKING THEM. SO, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO DO EDUCATIONAL AS PART OF YOUR ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEN WOULD YOU KEEP TRACK OF EACH PERSON AND LIKE, GET THEIR ID AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PROGRESSIVELY DISCIPLINE THEM OR WHAT TAKES PLACE HERE.

SO NOT TYPICALLY ON A FIRST CONTACT. IT TENDS TO BE A VERY KIND OF INFORMAL CONTACT WITH THE INDIVIDUALS.

THIS IS ONE NICE THING ABOUT HAVING A RANGER PROGRAM IN THE CITY, IS THAT OUR RANGERS WORK SPECIFICALLY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, AND SO THE RANGERS GET TO KNOW PEOPLE AND I THINK A LOT OF IT IS JUST A MATTER OF STATISTICS IN THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PARKS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PARKS TO POLICE AND SO THE RANGERS DO CONTACT PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND IF THEY WERE TO EXPERIENCE KIND OF A ONGOING PROBLEM WITH PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS, THEN THEY WOULD ESCALATE THE NATURE OF THEIR ENFORCEMENT ACTION.

BUT TYPICALLY THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THEY THEY INTERACT WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

HERE'S MY FUNNY QUESTION. BUT I WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH DOGS IN STROLLERS? IS THAT A THING? YEAH. LIKE, DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT? IT IS A THING.

AND AS A FORMER CANINE HANDLER, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ENDORSE THAT BEHAVIOR, BUT I KNOW THAT PLENTY OF PEOPLE.

YES, THAT TECHNICALLY WOULD STILL BE A DOG IN A PARK AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME PROHIBITION.

HOWEVER, SHOULD THAT DOG BE PROPERLY RESTRAINED, LEASHED TO THEIR STROLLER TO THEIR OWNER, IF COUNCIL GOES IN THE DIRECTION OF ALLOWING DOGS IN THE PARK, I SUPPOSE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING YOUR DOG IN A STROLLER.

I SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY, SO I JUST HAD TO ASK. OKAY. THAT'S ALL.

MISS BURKHOLDER, ASSISTANT CHIEF SHIPLEY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHAT ABOUT IF WE ALLOWED DOGS ON THE SEAWALL, BUT NOT ON THE BEACH? SO YOU COULD WALK ON THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, BUT JUST NOT GET IN THE SAND? AND WHAT ABOUT IF WE ALLOW DOGS IN THE PARK, BUT NOT ON THE PLAYING FIELDS, LIKE THE SOCCER FIELDS AND THE FOOTBALL FIELDS AND ALL OF THAT? DOES THAT COMPLICATE YOUR JOB? NOT NECESSARILY.

A LOT OF IT WOULD GO, I THINK, TO THE SIGNING THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE AND MAKING SURE THAT'S CONSISTENT AND CLEAR SIGNING.

I WOULD SAY FROM A CLEAR DELINEATION WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS, LIKE PLAYING FIELDS,

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THE AREA BELOW THE LOWER SEAWALL. THE SAND ON THE BEACH? YES. ISN'T ACTUALLY A CITY OF CARLSBAD NECESSARILY, ANYWAY, SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SEEK TO AUTHORIZE DOGS DOWN THERE ANYWAY AND THE STATE PARKS WOULD CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT APPROPRIATELY WITHIN THEIR OWN PURVIEW.

BUT THAT WOULD AGAIN BE SOMETHING THAT COULD THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER AND FOR US ON ENFORCEMENT, IT WOULD KIND OF BE THE SAME CHALLENGE IN THAT IT IS OUT OF VIEW OF VEHICLES DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.

SO YOU HAVE TO PHYSICALLY GET OUT AND DO PATROL DOWN THERE, WHICH WE DO.

BUT I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN DOGS DOWN THERE AS WELL. SO I JUST PASSED BY ON MY WALK WITH PEOPLE TALKING WITH THEIR DOGS THERE ABOUT WHY CAN'T WE HAVE DOGS? OKAY AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOGS AND DOGS, PARK DOG PARKS.

MR. LANCASTER, PERHAPS YOU COULD HELP ME FIND A CARVE OUT FOR A DOG PARK IN DISTRICT ONE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS ON THAT? BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE THEIR DOGS TO TAKE TO THE DOG PARK.

YES, MA'AM. AND LET ME START BY APOLOGIZING TO ASSISTANT CHIEF SHIPLEY.

I DO HAVE A LITTLE HISTORY, THOUGH, WITH HIS FATHER.

WORKED WITH HIM 20 YEARS AGO, AND HE WAS CAPTAIN MIKE SHIPLEY.

SO, AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES, SIR. I OUTRANK HIM NOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD.

IN REGARDS TO POTENTIAL OFF LEASH DOG PARK IN DISTRICT ONE, THERE HAS BEEN PREVIOUS INFORMAL DISCUSSION AT A STAFF LEVEL ABOUT WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS PIO PICO PARK.

IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE LINEAR AREA EAST OF PIO PICO, BETWEEN KNOWLES AVENUE AND BUENA VISTA WAY.

CITY INHERITED THAT MANY YEARS AGO, BEFORE MY TENURE HERE AT THE CITY AND AT THIS TIME, IT IS ESSENTIALLY A LANDSCAPED AREA, BUT THERE IS NO TURF.

IT IS MULCHED. AGAIN, SHORTLY BEFORE I STARTED, 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, THE TURF WAS REMOVED THERE AS A DROUGHT CONSERVATION OR WATER CONSERVATION MEASURE. DROUGHT TOLERANCE AND IT HAS REMAINED THAT WAY.

SO THERE WOULD BE A WATER SOURCE. AGAIN, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ACTIVE AND THERE WOULD NEED TO BE OBVIOUSLY PERIMETER FENCING AND OTHER AMENITIES INSTALLED AS PART OF THAT. BUT THERE IS POTENTIAL THERE.

I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO ALSO CONSIDER SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN TERMS OF, IN PART, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND WHETHER DOG OWNERS WOULD BE LIKELY TO USE THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF NOISE FROM THE FREEWAY AND SO ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD COME INTO PLAY, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION LATER WHEN WE GET THIS FIRST ISSUE SETTLED. MR. ACOSTA ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND THE FIRST ONE IS TO FOLLOW UP ON THE ACTUAL DOG PARKS.

LIKE, COULD YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT DOG PARKS WE HAVE CURRENTLY FOR DOGS IN THE CITY? YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL AND ANN D. L'HEUREUX WHICH TECHNICALLY IS JUST INSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF DISTRICT ONE.

IT IS INTERESTING, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE AERIAL MAPS, THE DISTRICT BOUNDARY ACTUALLY DIVIDES THE UPPER PORTION OF WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS HIDDEN CANYON PARK FROM I'M SORRY, THE LOWER PORTION IS HIDDEN CANYON PARK, BUT THE UPPER PORTION IS THE ANN D. L'HEUREUX DOG PARK.

IT IS TECHNICALLY COUNTED ALL AS ONE FOOTPRINT OF THE PARK, AND IN SHORT, THE DOG PARK IS IN DISTRICT ONE.

THE BALANCE OF THE PARK IS IN DISTRICT TWO. HAVING SAID THAT, THE OTHER DOG PARKS ARE ALGA NORTE COMMUNITY PARK, AND THAT'S DISTRICT TWO AND THEN FINALLY POINSETTIA.

COMMUNITY PARK, DISTRICT THREE. GREAT. THANK YOU.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE.

SO THEY ARE ENCLOSED AREAS WITHIN A BIGGER PARK THAT ARE SET ASIDE FOR DOGS TO BE IN.

COULD YOU BETTER DESCRIBE IT THAN I CAN? THAT'S VERY ACCURATE.

EACH OF THEM, AGAIN DOES HAVE OTHER AMENITIES WITHIN THE PARK FOOTPRINT.

IN THE CASE OF THE COMMUNITY PARKS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SPORTS FIELDS AND COURTS AND SUCH AND IN THE CASE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED HIDDEN CANYON PARK, THAT IS WHAT WE CALL MORE OF A SPECIAL USE AREA.

AND SO IT'S PASSIVE USE PICNIC FACILITIES, PLAYGROUND.

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IT HAS A MULCH SURFACE. ALGA NORTE HAS A MULCH SURFACE.

POINSETTIA PARK HAS A GRASS SURFACE. IT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE TRIED.

I WILL ADVISE IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO KEEP THE GRASS SUSTAINABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF WEAR AND TEAR.

AND THEN LASTLY, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CURRENTLY HAS US ON HOLD, IF YOU WILL, IN REGARD TO ANOTHER DOG PARK AND THAT IS VILLAGE SOUTH IN DISTRICT TWO.

WE WERE ASKED TO SUSPEND OR DEPRIORITIZE EFFORTS ON THAT POTENTIAL DOG PARK.

WE HAVE A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, BUT AS PART OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU ASK THAT WE DEPRIORITIZE IT.

SO WE HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION ON THAT SITE IN THE LAST TWO PLUS YEARS.

OKAY, GREAT. I DO REMEMBER WHEN THE POINSETTIA PARK OFF LEASH DOG PARK AREA WAS OPENED, AND IT WAS VERY EXCITING AND NICE TO HAVE HAVE THAT AREA, SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT'S STILL GOING STRONG, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES KEEPING THE GRASS GREEN OVER THERE.

AND THE REASON THAT I ASKED IS BECAUSE THERE ARE.

I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THEY CAN BRING DOGS TO THE PARK.

THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT I GET IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE BEACH.

LIKE THEY WANT TO BRING THEIR DOG TO THE BEACH, TO PLAY ON THE SAND FRISBEE AND IN THE WATER WITH THEIR DOGS.

AND I SAY, THAT'S LIKE IN MY AREA AND MOST OF CARLSBAD, THE BEACHES ARE NOT OURS.

THEY'RE STATE BEACHES AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THE DOGS ON THE BEACHES.

THEY BRING THEM ANYWAY ALL THE TIME AND IT'S USUALLY LIKE IN CARRIERS, LIKE LITTLE VESTS OR BAGS, LIKE CARRIER BAGS, LIKE NOT EVEN STROLLERS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY BRING.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING. SO I'VE DEFINITELY SEEN THOSE DOGS ON THE BEACH, BUT I TELL THEM THERE'S A GREAT DOG BEACH IN DEL MAR.

I THINK THEY JUST WANT MORE. THE OTHER BIG THING THAT I HEAR ABOUT IS FROM A LOT OF MY SENIORS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ATTACKED BY OFF LEASH DOGS WHILE WALKING THEIR LITTLE DOGS. I KNOW A LOT OF I THINK I'VE GOTTEN AT LEAST FIVE OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.

SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WERE ABOUT PLAYING FIELDS.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS TO NOT ALLOW DOGS ONTO THE PLAYING FIELD.

SO I'M GUESSING LIKE BASEBALL FIELDS, SOCCER FIELDS.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AREAS LIKE IN HOLIDAY PARK OR MAGEE, WHERE THERE IS A BIG GRASSY AREA AND PEOPLE SET UP THEIR GAMES AND THINGS ON THE BIG GRASSY LAWN? IT'S NOT SET UP FOR A SPORTS FIELD, BUT THEY USE IT AS SUCH.

SO THAT WOULD JUST BE MINGLED THEN. WOULD THAT BE THE IDEA? LIKE THAT WOULD BE NOT OFF LIMITS TO IF WE WERE TO OPEN UP PARKS TO DOGS? YES, MA'AM AND I WOULD ALSO EXTEND THAT TO OTHER AREAS OF COMMUNITY PARKS THAT WE PROGRAM FOR PRACTICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR GAMES. SO I CAN THINK OF AREAS AT POINSETTIA AND ALGA NORTE, BOTH WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TURF, AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE AT POINSETTIA NEXT TO THE PLAYGROUND, SORT OF THAT ROLLING AREA OF TURF.

WE USE THAT FOR PRACTICE BECAUSE ALL OF THE FIELDS ARE TYPICALLY TAKEN.

LIKEWISE, ALGA NORTE OF THE AQUATIC CENTER, THAT TURF IS COMMONLY USED FOR PRACTICE.

IF WE WERE TO PROHIBIT DOGS ON PLAYING FIELDS ONLY, THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY APPLY TO THOSE PASSIVE TURF AREAS.

THEY'RE USED FOR, AGAIN, PRACTICES AND EVEN SOME INFORMAL GAMES, BUT THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY A PLAYING FIELD.

OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY SMALL POCKET PARKS THAT MIGHT BE KIND OF PRIVATE WITHIN AN HOA? LIKE, I KNOW OF TONS IN MY DISTRICT WHEN I SPENT THE LAST YEAR OR SO WALKING MY DISTRICT AND GOING TO EVERY SINGLE STREET AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOOR. I SAW SO MANY POCKET PARKS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

SO THOSE LITTLE PARKS, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE THERE ARE THAT ALLOW DOGS? NO, MA'AM, I HAVE NOT DONE THAT SURVEY AT THIS POINT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SO AT YOUR REQUEST. THANK YOU.

I KNOW THEY'RE NOT CITY OWNED. THEY ARE PRIVATE PARKS WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT.

SO I FIGURED WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE AN INVENTORY OF THOSE.

IT WOULD BE JUST ANECDOTAL. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, ASSISTANT CHIEF? I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ENFORCE ANY REGULATIONS WITHIN THOSE AS WELL.

SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER ON THAT. I THINK FOR THE MOST PART THEY ALLOW DOGS.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HEARD ANECDOTALLY. SO OKAY.

GREAT. THANK YOU, MISS BHAT-PATEL. YES, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN I JUST HAVE COMMENTS.

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CAN YOU CLARIFY? YOU SAID THAT WAS THOSE WERE COSTS FROM THREE YEARS AGO, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST THEM BASED ON TODAY'S DOLLARS.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS AROUND OUTREACH IN THE PAST THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THIS AND JUST GENERALLY WHAT WE END UP SEEING IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE, THERE HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN A FORMALIZED CAMPAIGN SPECIFIC TO WHETHER TO ALLOW DOGS IN PARKS AND BEACHES OR NOT. WE'VE CERTAINLY RECEIVED COMMENTS UNSOLICITED FROM THE PUBLIC.

BUT ASIDE FROM, AGAIN, PERHAPS THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WAS DONE DURING THE VILLAGE H DOG PARK DESIGN PHASE THAT PRODUCED SOME COMMENTS ABOUT ALLOWING DOGS ELSEWHERE.

BUT IT WASN'T, AGAIN, A TARGETED OR FOCUSED CAMPAIGN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. IF WE LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES HERE, I AM BEING A HYPOCRITE BECAUSE I ALWAYS SAY IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE DOING, IT JUST MATTERS WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, HOW MANY OF THEM ALLOW DOGS IN THE PARKS AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THEIR REGULATIONS? NOW, I KNOW YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. THEY HAVE NOT SEEN LAWSUITS OR CLAIMS FROM DOGS.

YES, SIR. SO I'M ASKING THAT WE PULL UP ONE OF THE SLIDES, ALL OF THE 17 CITIES IN THE COUNTY ON THE FINAL BULLET DO ALLOW DOGS IN PARKS AND BEACHES WITH THE I'M SORRY PARKS IN PARTICULAR.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CORONADO AND ESCONDIDO, THOSE TWO CITIES HAVE CERTAIN PARKS.

THEY DO NOT ALLOW DOGS. OKAY. THANK YOU AND WE DON'T I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER, BUT AS HUMANE SOCIETY OR ANYBODY, OR WHEN WE WENT TO THE CONTRACT, DID THEY ESTIMATE HOW MANY RESIDENTS HAVE DOGS IN CARLSBAD? WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THEIR CONTRACT? I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING A COMPONENT OF THE CONTRACT SPECIFICALLY.

OKAY. SINCE IT WAS MY MOTION, I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE SOME OF THE INPUT I'M GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY.

I'LL START WITH THE NEGATIVES. SOMETIMES DOG OWNERS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE AND THEY DON'T CLEAN UP AND I'VE HEARD MOMS SAY, I DON'T WANT MY KIDS PLAYING IN A LAWN AREA OF THE PARK AND THEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH DOG POOP ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, LOOK HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DOGS.

WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THEM WITH US WHEN WE GO WALK THROUGH THE PARK.

AND I AGREE, I'M PROBABLY A BIG DOG ADVOCATE, SO I'M PROBABLY NOT BIASED OR UNBIASED IN THIS DECISION, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S MANAGEABLE IF WE CAN SAY THE THE DOGS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE PLAYGROUND AREA WHERE THE SWINGS AND THINGS ARE THAT THEY CAN'T GO ON TO THE SPORTS FIELDS OR THEY CAN'T GO WHERE THERE'S A ORGANIZED PROGRAM WITHIN THE PARK THAT THE DOGS HAVE TO BE LEASHED WHILE THEY'RE IN THE PARKS, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT THE OWNERS HAVE TO CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES AFTER THEIR DOGS AND WE WOULD PUT DOG, WHAT DO WE CALL THEM, DOG SANITATION STATIONS OUT.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE I'M GOING TO LAND.

BUT FIRST I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL HAS TO SAY.

MR. SHIN? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE IN A NEW CULTURE WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING PETS BECOMES PRETTY OBVIOUS.

WE THROW THEM IN STROLLERS AND PURSES AS WELL.

BUT WHAT I DO SEE IS WE HAVE A VISITOR EXPERIENCE AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE ABLE TO FLY WITH THEIR DOGS.

THEY'RE ABLE TO BE IN THE HOTEL WITH THEIR DOGS. THEY CAN EAT AT A RESTAURANT WITH THEIR DOGS AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, WE'RE GOING TO PROHIBIT THIS AND THEN WE HAVE TO ENFORCE IT. SO I THINK WE'RE JUST AT THAT STAGE NOW WHERE WE SHOULD MAKE SOME LAX RULES.

I LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR STATED. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CONFINE LIKE THAT PART WITH LIKE SPECIAL EVENTS AND ANYONE IF I PULL A PERMIT AND I WANT A CERTAIN AREA TO PARK FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY, LIKE IT SHOULD BE KNOWN THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT YOUR DOGS IN THIS AREA FOR OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY.

BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT ALSO LIKE CONCERT AT THE PARKS.

LIKE WE SHOULDN'T THINK THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE DURING THOSE EVENTS.

I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE A COST ANALYSIS ABOUT ANY DIRECTION THAT WE DECIDE TO CHOOSE FROM AND THEN I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO INCREASE OUR SIGNAGE NEEDS TO BE VERY STRONG ABOUT REINFORCING THAT THEY NEED TO CLEAN UP AFTER THEM, WHETHER IT'S A CATCHY SLOGAN LIKE SLOW DOWN CARLSBAD OR WHATEVER SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD BE MINDFUL WITH RESPECTING THAT.

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I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK.

YOU SAID NOT ALLOWED AT CONCERTS IN THE PARK.

I'M JUST THINKING. SO ANY SPECIAL EVENT THAT TAKES PLACE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. OKAY, GOOD, CAUSE THAT'D BE WILD. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT WITH ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN A TIGHT SPACE.

SO YES, I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION IN THE IDEA.

AND TRYING TO COVER ALL THE BASES AND, AND PROMOTE CLEANING UP AFTER YOUR ANIMAL.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND HOAS HAVE TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE.

THEY PUT UP THEIR OWN WASTE BAGS, LITTLE STATIONS.

THEY PUT UP THEIR OWN SIGNS. EVEN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, DON'T GO ON MY LAWN WITH THE LITTLE LAWN SIGNS.

SO WE KNOW THAT THERE AREN'T ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS.

BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF RESPONSIBLE ONES TOO.

SO AS LONG AS THEY ARE LEASHED. AS I SAID, THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT I GET IS ABOUT OFF LEASH AND IT'S TERRIBLE.

OFF LEASH DOGS ATTACKING LEASHED ONES AND THEN THE OWNERS HAVING TO, YOU KNOW.

DEAL WITH THE ATTACK ON THEIR DOG AND SOMETIMES THEY FALL AND GET HURT AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION AROUND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE SEPARATING THE GOOD ACTORS FROM THE LESS RESPONSIBLE ACTORS.

SO I APPRECIATE THE IDEA AND WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION.

WITH ALL OF THOSE CAVEATS AND STAFF COMING BACK WITH THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.

MISS BHAT-PATEL. SURE. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I CLEARLY HAVE A FUR BABY IN THE FAMILY AND HE IS ALWAYS OUT AND ABOUT.

DEFINITELY NOT AT THE PARK. SO HE'S ACTUALLY NEVER BEEN TO ANY OF THE PARKS EXCEPT FOR THE DOG PARKS.

SO THIS IS INTERESTING IN THE SENSE THAT I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM MY TIME FROM WHEN I FIRST STARTED ON BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM, WHETHER IT'S FOLKS SAYING, HEY, YOU ALL AREN'T ENFORCING ENOUGH, I CAN TELL YOU, I GET THAT ALMOST ON A WEEKLY BASIS, AT LEAST A TEXT OR A CALL OR AN EMAIL AROUND THAT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, FOLKS SAYING, WAIT, I DIDN'T REALIZE DOGS WEREN'T ALLOWED.

WHY AM I NOT ALLOWED TO WALK MY DOG AT THE PARK? SO THERE ARE TWO ENDS TO THE SPECTRUM THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE BEING EMPHASIZED BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THOSE OF US THAT HAVE DOGS, IT WOULD BE A LUXURY TO BE ABLE TO WALK THEM AROUND AT THE BEAUTIFUL PARKS THAT WE HAVE.

THE THINGS THAT I JUST, YOU KNOW, AND I'M OPEN TO HAVING THIS DISCUSSION FURTHER.

I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT THE COST, THE FINAL COST IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WHICH WE ARE, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY CONSIDERING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE THINGS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED OVER THIS, WHICH IS MORE OF A WANT AND A DESIRE.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO HIGHLY EMPHASIZE IS I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT OUR BUDGET IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS ESPECIALLY GIVEN FOR CLEANUP, THERE WILL BE NOT ONLY LAWN, BUT POWER WASHING IN CASE PEOPLE AREN'T PICKING UP ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE EFFECT.

OBVIOUSLY, THE BAGS THAT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT, THEN THERE'S THE SAFETY ELEMENT, MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE RULES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THEM NOW. SO NOW IF YOU HAVE THIS ADDED ELEMENT AND LAYER OF POSSIBLE AREAS THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED AND POSSIBLE AREAS THAT THEY AREN'T POTENTIAL FOR ALTERCATIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY OCCUR AND THEN JUST THE OTHER PIECE AROUND THE LEASHED AND UNLEASHED THAT WE SEE FOLKS WITH UNLEASHED PETS ALL THE TIME. SOME ARE AWESOMELY BEHAVED, OTHERS ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST I MEAN, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER BEING, RIGHT? THERE ARE GOING TO BE GREATLY BEHAVED ONES AND THEN NOT SO GREAT BEHAVED ONES.

SO I DON'T HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON BOTH SIDES, AND I AM CLEARLY A DOG OWNER. I'VE BEEN ONE FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE CAN HAVE VERY CLEAR GUIDELINES ON THIS AND THEN AGAIN, I'D LOVE TO KNOW THE COSTS, THEN I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

MY MOTION WILL BE TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK IN THE FUTURE WITH A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO INCORPORATE ALL THE THINGS YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL.

HAVE YOU GOTTEN ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KIND OF KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO IN? YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. SECOND, AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION AND ITS SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT. WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE.

OH. I'M SORRY. OH. I'M SORRY. YOU HAD A MINUTE.

MOTION, PLEASE. I DO. YES, PLEASE. MAYOR. I WOULD JUST ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO INVESTIGATE THE SPACES IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD FOR POTENTIAL FOR DOG PARKS, AND JUST BRING THE INFORMATION BACK ALL CITY WIDE.

[02:40:05]

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

YEAH. HELLO. THANKS FOR HAVING ME SPEAK AND THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD FOR 14 YEARS.

I'M IN THE DISTRICT FOUR AND SOUTH PONTO, AND I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE LACK OF A PARK IN THIS AREA.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A STAT. IT'S POTENTIAL FOR A DOG PARK RIGHT HERE, ACTUALLY.

RIGHT? IT'S AN UNSANCTIONED DOG PARK RIGHT NOW.

THAT WHOLE AREA, THE OPEN SPACE AT BATIQUITOS LAGOON THAT OVERLOOKS THE LAGOON.

IT'S USED AS A DOG PARK RIGHT NOW, FOR SURE, BUT IT'S NOT.

NOT LEGALLY SANCTIONED OR WHATEVER. THIS IS A STAT THAT KIND OF SURPRISED ME.

CARLSBAD RANKS AMONG THE WORST COASTAL CITY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FOR PROVIDING PARKS THAT ARE WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK OF ITS CITIZENS.

THIS COMES FROM THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND DATABASE AND THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IN ITS OWN 2015 MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED THAT PONTO AND THE SOUTHERN QUADRANT IS AN UNDERSERVED AREA FOR PARKS.

SO WE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THIS BACK IN 2015. AND, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THE POPULATION HAS GROWN SINCE THEN, OBVIOUSLY, AND IT'S ABOUT TO GROW AGAIN. AND YET THERE'S STILL NO PLAN FOR A PARK.

COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, WHICH I HEARD WE SHOULDN'T DO.

BUT HERE WE GO. ENCINITAS AND OCEANSIDE. THEY REQUIRE FIVE ACRES OF PARKLAND PER 1000 RESIDENTS, AND CARLSBAD REQUIRES THREE. WHICH IS WELL BELOW NATIONAL STANDARDS.

FOR MY KIDS, WHEN THEY WERE GROWING UP, WE JUST THEY HAD TO PLAY BASEBALL AND STUFF IN OUR DRIVEWAY.

AND OUR CLOSEST PARK IS POINSETTIA. THAT'S A 45 MINUTE WALK.

YOU HAVE TO GO ACROSS A FREEWAY, A BUNCH OF INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE REAL DANGEROUS.

SO MY KIDS HAD NO ACCESS TO A PARK, AND I SEE THAT WITH ALL THE YOUNG KIDS NOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SAME SORT OF THING AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S COASTAL COMMISSION AND ALL HAS IDENTIFIED AS WELL THAT WE'RE IN A PARK DEPRIVED AREA. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT TALK COMING ON RIGHT NOW AND A LOT OF DECISIONS TO BE MADE.

SO I WANTED TO HEAR HAVE MY VOICE BE HEARD IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU.

AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. MILTON SHAW. SORRY, MY WRITING IS TERRIBLE.

HILTON SURE. HI. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

SOMETIMES GETTING HERE BY 5PM, AFTER WORK AND KIDS IS NOT SO EASY, SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

I'M VERY LUCKY TO LIVE IN THE CITY. YOU GUYS ALL DO AND LADIES ALL DO A GREAT JOB KEEPING THE CITY BEAUTIFUL AND SAFE.

THIS LAST YEAR I DID THE CITIZENS ACADEMY, WHERE I MET SOME OF YOU, AND I REALLY ENJOYED THE PROGRAM AND LEARNED ABOUT HOW THE CITY WORKS.

WE RECENTLY ATTENDED THE OPEN HOUSE THAT THE DEVELOPER OF THE AREA I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW QUICKLY, WHICH IS JUST. THIS IS AVENIDA ENCINAS. THIS IS THE LAGOON OVER HERE.

THAT'S THE OCEAN AND IT'S THIS AREA OVER HERE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO THE DEVELOPERS RECENTLY HAD TO DO THEIR OBLIGATORY PRESENTATION OF WHAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND IT DID NOT GO SUPER WELL. IT WAS AN EXTREMELY TENSE MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY CITY PEOPLE MADE IT THERE, BUT IT WAS NOT VERY CALM.

PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO SHARE THEIR FEEDBACK AND I'M JUST GOING TO READ SOME COMMENTS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THEY ALL SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. BUT I'LL JUST READ A COUPLE RANDOM ONES. KI PONTO NATURAL PARK LAND TRAFFIC. KIDS PLAY STRUCTURE LIMITED TWO STORIES.

WE NEED A PARK FOR OUR KIDS TO PLAY. NEED OPEN SPACE PARK TO PRESERVE THIS SPECIAL AREA.

I'M GOING TO STOP THERE. I'M SURE YOU CAN ALL ACCESS THAT AND READ ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT ALL OF THEM WERE LIKE THAT AND REALLY IN FAVOR OF THE CITY DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO TRY TO SECURE THIS PIECE OF LAND AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PIECE OF LAND.

[02:45:01]

JUST GIVE ME A SECOND. OFTEN I HEAR, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITIZEN ACADEMY OFFICIALS REFERRING TO CARLSBAD AS A WORLD CLASS CITY. THIS IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO HOPEFULLY SECURE THIS LAND.

IT'S A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND. IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO CARLSBAD.

IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH ON THE 101. I'VE BEEN PART OF PEOPLE FOR PONTO, WHICH IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OVER TEN YEARS SINCE I'VE STARTED LIVING IN CARLSBAD, AND I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY WE, THE WEBSITE AND THE PETITION.

AND SO FAR WE HAVE OVER 5500 PETITION SIGNATURES FOR THAT WHICH GETS SENT TO THE CITY.

I THINK THEY ACTUALLY GET SENT TO EACH ONE OF YOU EVERY TIME SOMEONE SIGNS THEM AND WE DO.

OBVIOUSLY I CAN PRESENT THEM IF YOU WANT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE THEM ALREADY.

I REALLY AM APPEALING TO ALL OF YOU TO BE SMART AND CREATIVE, AND PLEASE BUILD WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL ALREADY PONTO PARK.

IT'S A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS LAND, AND ONCE IT'S GONE, IT WILL NEVER BE AN OPEN PIECE OF LAND AGAIN.

OKAY, WE'VE REACHED THE END OF OUR AGENDA. CLOSING COMMENTS, MR.

[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS]

THEY HAD AN ART EXHIBITION WE THEY SUBMITTED FOR AN ART GRANT THROUGH OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL DEPARTMENT.

IT WAS GREAT. BEACONS IS A NONPROFIT. THEY SERVICE ADULT NEUROLOGICAL DEFICIT INDIVIDUALS, HELPING THEM TO THRIVE TO GO TO WORK. SO IT WAS GREAT SEEING SOME OF OUR ART COMMISSIONERS THERE.

OUR DIRECTOR, CRADDOCK STROUP, WAS THERE AS WELL.

SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE THEM A SHOUT OUT. MISS BURKHOLDER EARLIER, WE HAVE VILLAGE VOICES THROUGH THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A MEMBER ORGANIZATION FOR BUSINESSES IN THE VILLAGE.

IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE MEETING. I SPOKE, OF COURSE, ABOUT WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE COUNCIL IN CASE THEY WANTED TO COME AND GIVE THEIR INPUT AND THEN THIS MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AND I HAD LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE HERE IN THIS CHAMBER.

WE INVITE YOU TO THIS MEETING 9:00 ON THE TUESDAY SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.

SO NEXT MONTH, I BELIEVE, IS APRIL 12TH. IS THAT RIGHT? SOUNDS RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF GEARING UP WORKING WITH OUR LOBBYISTS, BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL, ON APRIL 15TH. THANK YOU. TAX DAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER AND SO WE'RE GEARING UP WITH WORKING WITH OUR LOBBYISTS AND STATE AND FEDERAL ABOUT WHAT LEGISLATION IS COMING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE OR EVEN JUST WATCH.

AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH TO ALL THE COMMISSIONS AGAIN THIS YEAR TO GIVE A PRESENTATION WITH INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR JASON HABER ABOUT WHAT WE DO AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE. WE FOUND THAT TO BE VERY HELPFUL TO THE COMMISSIONERS LAST YEAR.

SO IF YOU WANT TO BE ON A COMMISSION AND YOU'RE LISTENING IN, PLEASE DO FILL OUT YOUR APPLICATIONS.

SURE. SPOTS OPEN ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU, MISS ACOSTA.

THANK YOU. YES, WE HAD A GREAT MEETING THIS MORNING IN THESE CHAMBERS FOR LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE AND BEFORE THAT, I GOT TO GO TO THE CARLSBAD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE RISING STAR AWARDS BREAKFAST.

SO I LEFT THAT ONE, CAME STRAIGHT HERE AND DID THOSE MEETINGS.

LAST WEEK, I WAS WITH THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES REPRESENTING CALIFORNIA CITIES AT THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON, DC. IT WAS FASCINATING. WE WERE MEETING WITH LEGISLATORS.

WE WERE ATTENDING SESSIONS HEARING FROM ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, INCLUDING THE EPA ADMINISTRATOR, THE BRAND NEW EPA ADMINISTRATOR, LEE ZELDIN, AND THE VICE PRESIDENT, JD VANCE.

WE HEARD LOTS OF INTERESTING THINGS. WE FOUGHT FOR CALIFORNIA CITIES, AND SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SPOKE ABOUT WERE FEMA AND MAKING SURE THAT CALIFORNIA IS RECEIVING ITS FAIR SHARE OF DISASTER RELIEF AND RECOVERY.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS ON THE TABLE. AND WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT CALIFORNIA CITIES ARE PROTECTED.

SO I MISSED THE LOCAL SAN DIEGO DIVISION MEETING BECAUSE I WAS WITH THE ENTIRE CALIFORNIA DELEGATION OUT AT THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES FOR WATER AUTHORITY. WE MEET NEXT WEEK, SO I DON'T HAVE A REPORT YET FOR THAT ONE, BUT I DID EMCEE A WATER CONFERENCE WITH DAN DENHAM, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, LAST WEEK.

IT WAS A DAY LONG CONFERENCE IN ORANGE COUNTY FOR WATER OFFICIALS AND BOARD MEMBERS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE, AND I HAD THE HONOR OF BEING THE EMCEE FOR THE DAY.

SO THAT WAS REALLY COOL AND GOT TO DISCUSS AND HEAR FROM LEADERS IN WATER ALL OVER THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN DOING. THANKS, MISS BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU. AND FOR LAST WEEK, WE DID HAVE THE DIVISION MEETING.

I WAS ABLE TO GET THERE FOR THE TAIL END OF IT, WHICH WAS THE PRESENTATION FROM OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY REGARDING THE PROP 36

[02:50:04]

WE ALSO THE MAYOR AND I HAD A CHANCE TO HOST SOME THIRD GRADERS HERE FOR CITY STUFF, WHICH WAS REALLY FUN AND THEN WE HAD THE CHAMBER AWARDS ON FRIDAY THIS COMING WEEK, I HAVE NORTH COUNTY TRANSIT DISTRICT AND THEN SANDAG TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING AS WELL AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF CELEBRATING HOLI WITH PACIFIC RIDGE AND ALSO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT AVIARA COMMUNITY PARK.

AND THAT'S A IT'S A HOLIDAY THAT IS CELEBRATED BY INDIAN AMERICANS AND OTHER SOUTH ASIANS ACROSS THE WORLD, BUT ALSO HERE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO HOPE AND WISH THAT FOLKS HAD A GREAT SAINT PATRICK'S DAY.

THANKS. CITY MANAGER. NOTHING. CITY ATTORNEY.

NOTHING. THANK YOU. CITY CLERK. NOTHING, THANK YOU.

AND I HAVE WEDNESDAY, MARCH 19TH, 11AM TO 1:00PM.

THE GRAND OPENING CEREMONY OF VINTAGE AT MARSHA ACRES, 4660 GARDEN HILL LOOP IN CARLSBAD AND NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE. THEN WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.