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IT'S 5:00. I'M CALLING TONIGHT'S MEETING TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

PLEASE TAKE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER SHIN. PRESENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

I'M HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL. HERE. MAYOR BLACKBURN.

PRESENT. ALL FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

I HAVE TO READ THE FOLLOWING. THE CITY COUNCIL IS SERVING AS THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM NUMBER ONE.

[ANNOUNCEMENT OF CONCURRENT MEETINGS]

ORDINANCE FOR INTRODUCTION, ITEM NUMBER THREE, AND DEPARTMENTAL AND CITY MANAGER'S REPORTS, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. NEXT IS THE PLEDGE. CITY MANAGER, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 23RD OF 25.

MOVE OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

I HAVE TO READ THE FOLLOWING. THE BROWN ACT AND THE CITY'S MEETING RULES ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS ARE REGARDING MATTERS WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL'S SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ALSO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS RELATE TO THE QUESTION OR MATTER UNDER CONSIDERATION.

INFORMATION ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING IS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE OF THE MEETING.

IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT, NO ACTION MAY OCCUR ON ANY NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT ISSUES.

WHEN MAKING YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT.

WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH THE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY, AND THAT THIS CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED.

THE CLERK WILL CALL YOUR NAME. PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AT THE 2.5 MINUTE MARK.

THE PODIUM WILL TURN YELLOW, GIVING YOU NOTICE THAT YOU'RE DOWN TO 30S.

I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THREE MINUTES.

THAT WAY EVERYBODY GETS EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO TALK.

WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER, MARY LUCID, FOLLOWED BY PAIGE TICINO.

GOOD EVENING, CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL PEOPLE.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE WE SEEM TO GET HALF THE STORY.

DECISIONS ARE MADE AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH MONEY AND WE DON'T HAVE A SAY.

YOU DON'T GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. YOU MAKE DECISIONS AND THEY REFLECT, I GUESS, YOUR VALUES. BUT ALL OF YOU SEEM TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.

NONE OF YOU SEEM TO HAVE ORIGINAL IDEAS OR DO SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? YOU ASKED FOR REELECTION. BUT WHAT DO YOU DO? IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT ENCOURAGED TO BE HERE.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TOWN HALLS. IT'S NO LONGER COVID TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE SURVEYS MAY BE ONE THING, BUT IT'S NICE TO JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

HOWEVER, IF THAT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL AGES.

ALL ABILITIES SENIORS NEED A LITTLE EXTRA LOVE.

I THINK, AND I THINK WE'RE WORTH IT BECAUSE WE CAN SPEAK OUR MIND OPENLY WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING BANNED UNNECESSARILY. WITHOUT GOING TO COURT TO GET A RESTRAINING ORDER BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO VALUE.

SO ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT YOU SHOW US WHERE THE MONEY WENT FROM THE SENIOR CENTER

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BUDGET THAT SUPPOSEDLY RETURNED BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND IF THE FUNDS AREN'T USED.

WHY DON'T WE GET THOSE NUMBERS? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING? I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN TO BE TOO MEAN TO YOU GUYS, BUT.

HELLO? IF I RAN MY CHECKBOOK, THE WAY YOU RUN YOUR PLACE, I'D BE IN TROUBLE WITH MY BANK, WHICH I'M NOT, THANK GOD. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY.

BUT YOU DO. AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE HERE? NOT JUST THE BUILDINGS. AND WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS AGREEING OR LOOKING FOR YOUR NEXT OFFICE? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? WHAT BILLS HAVE YOU PROPOSED TO HELP THE ELDERLY? ANYWAY, AS AN OLD, OLD LADY, I APPRECIATE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO FOR SENIORS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M PAIGE TICINO, A LONGTIME CARLSBAD RESIDENT.

ONE OF THE BEST THINGS ABOUT CALIFORNIA IS THE RIGHT FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR BEACHES.

YEAH, AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT IN CARLSBAD WITH ALL OUR SEVEN MILES OF COASTLINE.

HOWEVER, FOR MANY YEARS, ONE CARLSBAD SITE HAS BLATANTLY IGNORED THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION'S MANDATE FOR THIS DOCTRINE. I ASKED ABOUT THIS AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS AGO, AND I'M BAFFLED THAT IT STILL HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED.

THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS AT THE SOUTH WEST EDGE OF BUENA VISTA LAGOON.

2401 MOUNTAIN VIEW DRIVE, OWNED BY JOHN LEVY AND JIM KELLY, WHICH HAS AN UNPERMITTED GATE THAT LIMITS OR ACTUALLY PREVENTS ACCESS TO THE BEACH. THE ORIGINAL PERMIT CONDITIONS ISSUED BY THE COASTAL COMMISSION STILL HAVEN'T BEEN MET, AND THIS IS A GOOD SITE BECAUSE IT'S VERY FLAT FOR ACCESS BY DISABLED FOLKS.

NEXT MONTH, THE COASTAL COMMISSION WILL BE MEETING TO DECIDE UPON ACTIONS TO REMEDY THIS SITUATION.

I HOPE THE CITY WILL SUPPORT PUBLIC ACCESS AT THIS SITE AND NOT ALLOW PRIVILEGED LANDOWNERS TO IGNORE ACCEPTED DOCTRINE.

THESE LANDOWNERS NEED TO TAKE RESTORATIVE ACTION AND PAY RELEVANT FINES FOR DENYING ACCESS TO CARLSBAD BEACHES.

THANK YOU, MS. TICINO. DO YOU KNOW JEFF MURPHY? OKAY. WOULD YOU TALK TO HIM ABOUT ANY OF THE RECENT DETAILS ON THAT? DIANE NYGAARD. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND I PROBABLY WILL BE DIRECTED TO MR. MURPHY ALSO, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TALK ON THE SAME SUBJECT.

50 YEARS AGO, ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO, CALIFORNIA PASSED THE COASTAL ACT.

THE KEY PROVISION WAS ACCESS TO THE COAST FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST THE WEALTHY FEW, BUT EVERYONE.

THIS ACCESS THROUGH THE LEVY PROPERTY IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S FLAT LAND, NOT THE STEEP STAIRS, LIKE SO MANY OF OUR COASTAL ACCESS WAYS ARE. THINK ABOUT THE MOM WITH THE TODDLERS, SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS. THEY CAN'T USE THOSE STAIRS.

THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT COASTAL ACCESS. IT WAS A PERMIT CONDITION.

WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS HOUSE WAS BUILT. WE'RE VERY DISTURBED THAT SO FAR, THE CITY OF CARLSBAD HAS NOT BEEN ON THE SIDE OF PROTECTING COASTAL ACCESS. SO WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE RELOOK AT THE PERMIT ISSUES FOR THE LEVEE LAND.

AND PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. SHOULD I GO TALK TO MR..

YES. YES, PLEASE. THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU. AND CITY ATTORNEY, IS THERE ANYTHING TO REPORT OUT ON CLOSED SESSION? THANK YOU. MAYOR. THERE WAS NO REPORTABLE ACTION.

THANK YOU. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THAT ITEM? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR NEED TO PULL IT? MOTION, PLEASE. SO MOVED. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

I CAN HEAR THE JEOPARDY THEME GOING. OKAY, THERE WE GO.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT IS THE MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE SENIOR COMMISSION.

[2. MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF TWO MEMBERS TO THE SENIOR COMMISSION – 1) Adoption of a resolution appointing one member to the Senior Commission; and 2) Adoption of a resolution appointing one member to the Senior Commission. (Staff contact: Melissa Rhodes, City Clerk) City Manager’s Recommendation: Adopt the resolutions]

I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A SPEAKER. WE DO. MARY LUCID.

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MARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE WAIT FOR ONE MOMENT? YEAH. YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? NO. OH, IT WASN'T ON.

OKAY. OKAY. PERFECT. OKAY. OKAY. OUR MISTAKE.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED I DIDN'T WANT TO PASS YOU UP IF YOU HAD A SPEAKER SLIP IN.

MARY, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT. MARY. THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD. HELLO. HELLO. HELLO. CITY OFFICIALS.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO LIMIT THE SENIOR COMMISSION PEOPLE TO A CERTAIN TOPIC.

AND YET NOT HAVE THEM DO ANYTHING OR TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE. IT'S A NICE POLITICAL THING.

YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR RESUME OR A PLAQUE ON YOUR WALL, BUT.

AND MAYBE IT'LL HELP YOU GET CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TALENT, THAT'S THERE THAT COULD LISTEN AND HAVE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND BRING YOU IDEAS. YOU'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT AS SMART AS YOU ARE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH SENIORS, YOU SHOULD TALK TO SENIORS AND GET SOME OF THEIR VIEWPOINTS.

AND NOT JUST RUBBER STAMP WHAT STAFF SAYS. YOU'RE GIVING AWAY YOUR POWER TO ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO MAY BE HAVING A BAD DAY OR A PACHECO MOMENT, AS I CALL IT. BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, DO YOU? YOU HAVE TALENT. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SMART. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE THERE IN OFFICE.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING AS MUCH FOR SENIORS.

AND I'M GLAD YOU ARE DOING SOME THINGS FOR THE CITY.

AND I KNOW YOU CAN DO MORE. MORE ACCOUNTABILITY WOULD BE NICE AS TO HOW YOU'RE SPENDING THE MONEY AND WHERE IT'S GOING.

IT IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDINGS ARE FINE, BUT THEY NEED THE HUMAN TOUCH. AND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SUPERVISE OR GRANT THE CITY MANAGER AND OTHER PEOPLE AUTHORITY TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE CHECKING OUT THINGS BECAUSE ONE PERSON'S IDEAS, THEY MAY BE HAVING A BAD DAY. OF COURSE, I KNOW YOU GUYS NEVER HAVE A BAD DAY, OR ELSE YOU KNOW HOW TO REIN IT IN SO YOU DON'T HAVE A BAD DAY.

BUT YOU'RE GIVING AWAY YOUR POWER TO POORLY TRAINED PEOPLE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE IDEAS.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THEIR 40S. 50S, 60S, 70S AND ABOVE.

OH, GOD. I'M OLD. THEY NEED DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY WANT DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE SENIORS, AND YOU'RE NOT DOING IT, BUT YOU'RE KEEPING THEIR MONEY.

SO THANK YOU. ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON ITEM TWO NO.

THE TWO CANDIDATES I'M RECOMMENDING FOR THE SENIOR COMMISSION ARE BOTH REAPPOINTMENTS.

ONE IS CHERYL DILLON. THE OTHER ONE IS BRUCE FITZPATRICK.

ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ORDINANCES FOR INTRODUCTION.

[3. AMEND TITLE 1 AND REPEAL AND REPLACE TITLE 2 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT CODE AND UPDATE THE RESIDENTIAL SHUTOFF PROTECTION POLICY – 1) Introduction of an ordinance of the Carlsbad Municipal Water District Board of Directors amending Title 1 and repealing and replacing Title 2 of the Carlsbad Municipal Water District Code; and 2) Adoption of a resolution of the Carlsbad Municipal Water District Board of Directors approving an update to the Residential Water Service Shutoff Protection Policy for nonpayment of charges. (Staff contact: Dave Padilla, Public Works) City Manager’s Recommendation: Introduce the ordinance and adopt the resolution.]

CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS TO AMEND TITLE ONE AND REPEAL AND REPLACE TITLE TWO OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT CODE AND UPDATE THE RESIDENTIAL SHUTOFF PROTECTION POLICY. AND FOR THE PRESENTATION WILL BE ASSISTANT UTILITIES DIRECTOR DAVE PADILLA AND UTILITIES DIRECTOR AMANDA FLESSE.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS AMANDA.

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I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.

TODAY, MR. PADILLA AND I ARE HERE TO INTRODUCE TITLE TWO TO OUR WATER DISTRICT CODE.

GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD PRESIDENT.

TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL TOUCH ON PROPOSED ACTIONS BEFORE YOU TODAY, BACKGROUND INFORMATION, PROPOSED CHANGES WITH THE CODE REVISIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

THE ACTIONS ARE TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE ONE AND REPEALING AND REPLACING TITLE TWO OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT CODE, AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN UPDATE TO THE RESIDENTIAL WATER SERVICE SHUT OFF PROTECTION POLICY FOR NON PAYMENT OF CHARGES.

IN JULY OF 2024 THE BOARD ADOPTED ORDINANCE NUMBER 49 TO CODIFY CMWD ORDINANCE INTO THREE TITLES IN NOVEMBER OF 2024. THE BOARD ADOPTED ORDINANCE NUMBER 50 TO REPEAL AND REPLACE TITLE ONE OF THE CMWD CODE REGARDING ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES. TODAY'S ITEM HAS A MINOR AMENDMENT TO TITLE ONE AND PROPOSES TO REPEAL AND REPLACE TITLE TWO.

TITLE ONE, SECTION 1.08.030 AND VARIOUS SECTIONS.

TITLE TWO UPDATE DEFINITIONS AND DELEGATIONS BETWEEN THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND THE CMWD GENERAL MANAGER TO BETTER REFLECT CURRENT PRACTICE.

SECTION 2.04.080 ADDS REFERENCE TO THE ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS IN CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTERS 1.08 AND 1.10. SECTION 2.08.040 CLARIFIES THE BASIS FOR THE WATER DELIVERY CHARGE FOR RESIDENTIAL AUTOMATIC FIRE EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS. SECTION 2.12.100 CLARIFIES THE CHARGES APPLICABLE TO CONSTRUCTION METERS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR BACKFLOW PROTECTION WHEN THOSE METERS ARE INSTALLED ON A POTABLE WATER SUPPLY.

SECTION 2.12.110 CLARIFIES THE CHARGES APPLICABLE TO FIRE SERVICE FLOW DETECTOR METERS.

SECTION 2.12.150 REMOVES THE DEPOSIT REQUIREMENT FOR THE EXAMINATION OF A METER THAT IS SUSPECTED OF BEING FAULTY UPON THE CUSTOMER'S REQUEST. SECTION 2.16.050 MOVES THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE APPLICATIONS FOR THE USE OF STEAM BOILERS, HYDRAULIC ELEVATORS, POWER PUMPS, AND SIMILAR APPARATUSES FROM THE CMWD BOARD TO THE EXECUTIVE MANAGER OR DESIGNEE. SECTION 2.20.030 REVISES THE PIPELINE DIAMETER FOR WATER DISTRIBUTION. PIPELINES. SECTION 2.20.040 MOVES THE AUTHORITY FOR THE DETERMINATION OF SIZE OR CAPACITY OF WATER OR RECYCLED WATER FACILITIES FROM THE EXECUTIVE MANAGER TO THE GENERAL MANAGER.

SECTION 2.20.050 MOVES THE AUTHORITY FOR THE APPROVAL OF MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR WATER OR RECYCLED WATER FACILITIES, FROM THE EXECUTIVE MANAGER TO THE GENERAL MANAGER.

WITH RESPECT TO REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENTS FOR DEVELOPER CONSTRUCTED FACILITIES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT BY THE DISTRICT, SECTION 2.20.070 REVISES THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMIT FOR THE RIGHT TO REIMBURSEMENT TO SEVEN YEARS FROM THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT DATE FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER ACCEPTANCE OF THE COMPLETED FACILITY BY THE DISTRICT.

IT ALSO ESTABLISHES THE THE BASIS FOR THE MINIMUM PIPELINE DIAMETER FOR EXCESS CAPACITY AS DEFINED IN THE CODE.

MOVING ON TO THE RESIDENTIAL WATER SERVICE SHUT OFF PROTECTION POLICY FOR NON PAYMENT OF CHARGES.

IN DECEMBER OF 2019, THE BOARD APPROVED THE POLICY.

THE POLICY OUTLINES WHEN CMWD CAN OR CANNOT SHUT OFF POTABLE WATER SERVICE TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS FOR NONPAYMENT, AND NOTIFIES THE CUSTOMER'S RIGHTS AND OPTIONS PRIOR TO A SHUT OFF.

IN 2023, SENATE BILL 3 EXPANDED THE SCOPE OF THE STATE'S WATER SHUT OFF PROTECTION ACT, NECESSITATING CHANGES TO THE

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POLICY. THE POLICY UPDATE NOW COMPLIES WITH NEW STATE LAW TO INCLUDE AN ALTERNATE PAYMENT ARRANGEMENT FOR ALL RESIDENTS, NOT JUST THOSE THAT DEMONSTRATE MEDICAL AND FINANCIAL HARDSHIP.

FOLLOWING THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS ORDINANCE, THE CMWD BOARD WILL CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE TITLE TWO REVISIONS AT A FUTURE MEETING.

STAFF PLAN TO RETURN TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND TITLE TWO, SECTION 2.32 REGARDING CROSS-CONNECTION CONTROL AND TITLE THREE, THE LAST TITLE OF THE CODE. WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

QUESTIONS FROM STAFF OR FROM COUNCIL. COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

MOTION. MOVE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AND AGENDA ITEM THREE.

SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

[4. OPTIONS FOR THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR SITE SOLAR FEASIBILITY STUDY, CIP PROJECT NO. 4722 1) Adoption of a Carlsbad Municipal Water District Board of Directors resolution authorizing execution of a professional services agreement with ForeFront Licensing, LLC for Phase 1 of the Maerkle Reservoir Site Solar Feasibility Study; or 2) Adoption of a Carlsbad Municipal Water District Board of Directors resolution rejecting all proposals for the Maerkle Reservoir Site Solar Feasibility Study. (Staff contact: Keri Martinez and Dave Padilla, Public Works) City Manager’s Recommendation: Adopt the resolution.]

ITEM NUMBER FOUR. CITY MANAGER. ITEM NUMBER FOUR ARE OPTIONS FOR THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR SITE SOLAR FEASIBILITY STUDY.

AND FOR THIS PRESENTATION, WE HAVE ASSISTANT UTILITIES DIRECTOR DAVE PADILLA AND PRINCIPAL ENGINEER KERI MARTINEZ.

VERY GOOD. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. THIS ITEM REGARDS EXPLORING OPTIONS FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR A POTENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT AT THE RESERVOIR.

WITH ME HERE THIS EVENING IS MS. KERI MARTINEZ.

OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. GOOD EVENING. BOARD PRESIDENT.

BOARD MEMBERS. WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO UPDATE YOU ON A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR A POTENTIAL SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION AND BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT AT THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR SITE. AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE OPTIONS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ARE TO AUTHORIZE US TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH FOREFRONT LICENSING FOR PHASE ONE OF A SOLAR FEASIBILITY STUDY, OR TO REJECT ALL PROPOSALS FOR THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR SITE SOLAR FEASIBILITY STUDY.

WE BROUGHT THIS ITEM TO THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, THAT A SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION PROJECT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A CITY OF CARLSBAD STRATEGIC PROJECT IN 2022, WITH THE POTENTIAL TO GENERATE RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT COULD HELP THE CITY MEET ITS CLIMATE ACTION GOALS AND TO POSSIBLY OFFSET CMWD OPERATIONAL COSTS THROUGH THE EXCHANGE OF ENERGY CREDITS. GIVEN THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT, STAFF HAS COMMITTED TO INVOLVING THE BOARD AT EVERY STEP IN THE PROCESS SINCE IT WAS FIRST IDENTIFIED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AFTER OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR, MR. HABER, AND I BROUGHT THIS BEFORE THE BOARD IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR.

WE COMMUNICATED THAT THERE WOULD CONTINUE TO BE MILESTONES FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IN EITHER MOVING FORWARD OR TO TAKE OFF RAMPS FROM THE PROJECT.

TONIGHT, WE'RE HERE AGAIN FOR THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF A CONTRACT WITH FOREFRONT, A SOLAR INDUSTRY CONSULTANT, TO BEGIN THIS FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS IN A TWO PHASED APPROACH.

IF DIRECTED TO PROCEED, THE RESULTS OF THE FIRST PHASE WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD AGAIN FOR DIRECTION OR AS ANOTHER OFF RAMP OPPORTUNITY.

SO BRIEFLY, JUST TO RE-ORIENTATE EVERYONE HERE WHERE MAERKLE RESERVOIR SITE IS, IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CARLSBAD.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PROPOSED PROJECT LOCATION IN YELLOW, JUST NORTH OF OUR RESERVOIR IN BLUE.

IT ALSO SHOWS OUR CITY OF OCEANSIDE AND CITY OF VISTA NEIGHBORS BORDERING THE SITE ON THE NORTH AND EAST BOUNDARIES, RESPECTIVELY, AND THE DAWSON LOS MONOS PRESERVE TO THE SOUTH.

HEALTH. THIS IS A GREAT PHOTO OF THE SITE LOOKING NORTH, WITH THE RESERVOIR COVER HERE IN THE FOREGROUND, AND THE OCEANSIDE AND VISTA RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTHWEST AND NORTHEAST.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY IS TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS A VIABLE SOLAR PROJECT AT THE SITE.

THE SCOPE OF THIS PHASE WILL DEFINE ENERGY GENERATION AND BATTERY STORAGE CAPACITIES FOR THIS TYPE AND SIZE OF SITE, AND THE CURRENT BEST AVAILABLE TECHNOLOGY. IT WILL DEFINE OPTIMAL FINANCING AND OPERATING MODELS, LIKELY THROUGH A POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH A SOLAR DEVELOPER.

IT WILL TAKE A HARD LOOK AND ANALYZE THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, INCLUDING ACCESS TO POTENTIAL FIRE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH BATTERY STORAGE AND NECESSARY

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EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS CRITICAL, AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A STRONG INTEREST IN INCREASING RENEWABLE ENERGY SUPPLY, AND THERE ARE ALSO CONCERNS WITH SITE ACCESS AND FIRE POTENTIAL ASSOCIATED WITH BATTERY STORAGE PROJECTS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THE SCOPE INCLUDES STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH TO UNDERSTAND CONCERNS AND TO BETTER DEFINE A SOLAR PROJECT.

IT WILL IDENTIFY ENERGY OFF TAKER AND LOAD SERVICING AGENCY OPTIONS.

IT WILL ALSO IDENTIFY CHALLENGES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTRICAL GRID CONNECTION AND ADDRESS THE INITIAL PHASES OF ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING PROCESS.

THESE NEXT SLIDES ILLUSTRATE SOME OF THE SITE. CONSIDER WHAT SOME OF THE SITE CONSIDERATIONS ARE. WE'RE LOOKING HERE WEST TO THE PACIFIC OCEAN WITH OUR MAIN RESERVOIR ACCESS THROUGH THE CITY OF VISTA IN THE FOREGROUND, AND THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE TO THE NORTHWEST.

OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND ACCESS TO THE SITE WERE IDENTIFIED AS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS EARLY ON.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS OUR SITE ACCESS THROUGH CARLSBAD FROM THE SOUTH THROUGH THE STONEY CREEK AREA.

THIS IS A MUCH MORE CONSTRAINED ACCESS VIA UNPAVED ROADS AND A CREEK CROSSING, AND IT'S CURRENTLY NOT SUITABLE.

EXCUSE ME. SORRY. CURRENTLY NOT SUITABLE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

AS INDICATED AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN CAL FIRE'S HIGH FIRE SEVERITY ZONE.

THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY REQUIRES A ROBUST ANALYSIS OF DEVELOPING STATE, REGIONAL AND LOCAL FIRE RESPONSE AND MITIGATION GUIDELINES FOR SOLAR PROJECTS AND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE BATTERY STORAGE FIRES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN RECENT MONTHS.

WE HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL PRESERVE HERE TO THE SOUTH, AND THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A FULL CEQA ANALYSIS TO ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND THE STUDY WILL OUTLINE THAT PROCESS.

AND OF COURSE, MAERKLE RESERVOIR AND THE CMWD FACILITIES ARE CRITICAL TO OUR SAFE AND RELIABLE WATER SUPPLY TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

SO THE ANALYSIS WILL ADDRESS POTENTIAL SECURITY, ACCESS AND DEVELOPMENT PHASING, SINCE ANY PROJECT WILL NEED TO ENSURE OUR STAFF'S ACCESS AND OPERATIONS ARE NOT IMPEDED BY A PROJECT, EITHER DURING CONSTRUCTION OR OPERATION OF A SOLAR FACILITY.

SO, TO SUMMARIZE, PHASE ONE WILL INCLUDE THESE ITEMS AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD AND ON THE VIABILITY OF A SOLAR ENERGY AND BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT AT MAERKLE. THE COST FOR THIS STUDY, INCLUDING THE NEGOTIATED CONSULTING FEE AND ESTIMATED STAFF TIME FOR CMWD AND CITY COMMUNICATIONS, IS $495,904, FOR WHICH THERE IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ALLOCATED FUNDING.

WE ARE PROVIDING A SUMMARY OF POTENTIAL PHASE TWO COSTS, WHICH OF COURSE ARE CONTINGENT UPON PROCEEDING WITH PHASE ONE.

AND IF, AFTER RECEIVING THE RESULTS OF PHASE ONE, THE BOARD WANTS TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FOREFRONT, AS THEY HAVE PROPOSED THE PHASE TWO PORTION OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, INCLUDING INCORPORATING THE RESULTS OF PHASE ONE INTO A MORE DETAILED CONCEPTUAL 30% DESIGN, FURTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND PERMITTING WORK AT A COST OF 828,000, ALL TOTAL.

THIS ANALYSIS COULD COST $1.37 MILLION. SO AGAIN, THE OPTIONS BEFORE YOU ARE TO AUTHORIZE US TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH FOREFRONT LICENSING FOR PHASE ONE OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AT MAERKLE RESERVOIR SITE, OR REJECT THEIR PROPOSALS FOR THIS STUDY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. PLEASE CALL SPEAKERS.

SUSAN MACARTHUR, FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH OSMAN.

I HAVE A HOME IN THE SEA VISTA DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED SOLAR FARM AND BATTERY STORAGE.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAVE SEEN TONIGHT OR HEARD ABOUT IS SOMEONE FROM THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY SPEAK TO THE RISKS INVOLVED, AND HOW MUCH OF THAT RISK WILL LIKELY BE BORNE BY THE HOMEOWNERS? RIGHT NOW. I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING I'VE READ SAID THERE WILL BE A PROBLEM

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WITH GETTING INSURANCE OR HAVING INSURANCE CANCELED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES.

SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO NOT KNOW, WE DO NOT KNOW IF OUR PREMIUMS WILL INCREASE.

WE DO NOT KNOW IF OUR INSURANCE WILL BE CANCELED.

WE DO NOT KNOW IF THE OPERATOR'S GENERAL LIABILITY POLICY WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE LIABILITY OF POTENTIALLY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR ALL THE HOMES SURROUNDING THIS, AND THESE HOMES ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPOSED SITE.

IF THERE WERE A FIRE EVENT CAUSED BY THE SOLAR FARM, THAT WOULD LIKELY BE THE LIKELIHOOD OF FIGHTING IT OUT FOR YEARS OVER.

WHO IS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY? INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS OR THE OPERATING? OR THE GENERAL OR THE OPERATORS LIABILITY POLICY.

HOW MUCH OF OUR HOME, HOW MUCH OF OUR HOME VALUES WILL DECREASE DUE TO HAVING SOLAR, A SOLAR FARM RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD? ADDITIONALLY, AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR, I WOULD THINK THAT CARLSBAD WOULD GET FEEDBACK FROM THE AFFECTED RESIDENTS PRIOR TO MAKING ANY LARGE INVESTMENT INTO THE PROJECT.

AS A SOLAR FARM IS MUCH BETTER SUITED TO VACANT LAND OR IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, RATHER THAN RIGHT NEXT TO HUNDREDS OF FAMILY HOMES. IF THE SOLAR FARM WAS IN THE BACKYARD OF CARLSBAD RESIDENTS, I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD BE PROTESTING RIGHT HERE NEXT TO US. THIS PLAN IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE SOME BENEFIT TO CARLSBAD RESIDENTS, AT GREAT DETRIMENT TO VISTA AND OCEANSIDE.

RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITIES OF VISTA, CHATEAU DEL NORTE, AND OCEAN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DEBORAH OSMAN, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED SOLAR FARM DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE VISTA AND CHATEAU DEL NORTE COMMUNITIES IN VISTA AND OCEAN HILLS IN OCEANSIDE. I AM A HOMEOWNER AND RESIDENT OF VISTA, AND LIVE LESS THAN ONE BLOCK FROM THE PROPOSED SOLAR SITE.

WITH THE HISTORY OF LITHIUM BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY FIRES, AND THE RISK OF FIRE DUE TO SOLAR FARMS, IT'S COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE TO PLACE A SOLAR FARM IN THIS HIGHLY POPULATED AREA.

FURTHERMORE, ESCAPE ROUTES ONLY INCLUDE MELROSE AND LAKE, AS CARLSBAD HAS NOT OPENED CANON FROM OCEANSIDE TO CARLSBAD, CITING ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. THIS PROPOSED PARCEL OF LAND IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE LAND NEEDED TO CUT CANON THROUGH IF THAT LAND IS PROTECTED.

WHAT MAKES THE PROPOSED LAND FOR THE SOLAR FARM ANY DIFFERENT? THE RISK OF FIRE IS JUST TOO GREAT IN SUCH A DENSELY POPULATED AREA FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

ADDITIONALLY, ACCORDING TO THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, THERE IS A HEALTH RISK OF ELECTROMAGNETIC HYPERSENSITIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH LIVING NEAR SOLAR FARMS. THIS CONDITION IS CHARACTERIZED BY A RANGE OF SYMPTOMS THAT ARE TRIGGERED BY EXPOSURE TO ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION FIELDS.

THESE SYMPTOMS CAN INCLUDE HEADACHES, FATIGUE, SKIN RASHES, AND SLEEP DISTURBANCES.

THERE WAS A STUDY IN AUSTRALIA THAT FOUND THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR SOLAR FARMS ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE HEADACHES, DIZZINESS AND NAUSEA. THERE COULD ALSO BE INCREASED RISK OF CANCER IN PEOPLE LIVING NEAR SOLAR FARMS. ADDITIONAL RESEARCH IS NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL HEALTH RISKS OF LIVING NEAR SOLAR FARMS, AND UNTIL SUCH RESEARCH IS COMPLETE AND DEFINITIVE, SOLAR PROJECTS IN DENSELY POPULATED AREAS SHOULD BE AVOIDED.

IT IS FOR THESE HEALTH, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND FIRE RISKS THAT I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS PROJECT.

PLEASE SHOW VISTA AND OCEANSIDE THAT CARLSBAD CAN BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

THANK YOU. BARBARA DIAMOND, FOLLOWED BY LINDA DANIELS.

GOOD EVENING. I'M BARBARA DIAMOND. HELLO TO MAYOR THERE.

BLACKBURN AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO ESTABLISH A SOLAR FARM

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AT THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR. THE FINANCIAL POTENTIAL IS CLEAR.

GENERATING RENEWABLE ENERGY LOCALLY CAN LOWER LONG TERM COSTS AND PROVIDE REVENUE FOR OUR CITY.

BUT THE GREATER IMPORTANCE LIES IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.

EVERY YEAR WE DELAY, THE CLIMATE CRISIS WORSENS.

SCIENTISTS WARN THAT WE ARE APPARENTLY AT A TIPPING POINT BEYOND WHICH THE DAMAGE BECAME BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT AND COSTLY TO REVERSE. ACTING NOW MEANS CARLSBAD COULD REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, IMPROVE OUR AIR AND AND ALSO DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP IN FIGHTING THE CLIMATE CRISIS.

I HAVE HEARD OTHER CITIZENS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE COSTS AND TIME CONSUMPTION IN PAST STUDIES, BUT AFTER LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO, YOU GOT TO DO THE WORK.

SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS HOW COMPETITIVE? I'M NOT AWARE OF THIS, BUT HOW COMPETITIVE IT IS TO GET BIDS FOR THESE STUDIES.

YOU KNOW HOW MUCH ENERGY GOES INTO THAT? BUT, YOU KNOW, THE KEY QUESTION WE HAVE HERE IS IT, IS IT APPROPRIATE AND CAN IT BE DONE IN A TIMELY, COSTLY MANNER? WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. A PUBLICLY OWNED SITE WITH AN EXCELLENT SOLAR POTENTIAL, A FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD BE THE FIRST PRACTICAL STEP TOWARDS TURNING THAT OPPORTUNITY INTO PROGRESS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON TONIGHT.

OPTION ONE. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BLACKBURN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I AM BACK, YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVIST. I'M A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD FOR OVER 12 YEARS, AND I REPRESENT CARLSBAD ON THE GREEN ENERGY ALLIANCE ADVISORY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS BEING A MEMBER OF THE SIERRA CLUB, AS WELL AS BEING A MEMBER OF THE SAN DIEGO BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION COALITION IN THE CAPACITY OF STRATEGY FOR OUR SCHOOLS. I'VE BEEN SPEAKING AS SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND I HAVE AN ALERT FOR EVERYBODY.

AND I WANT TO THANK JEFF FOR HIS SUPPORT IN THIS, AS WELL AS PRIYA PATEL AND TARA ACOSTA.

WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT, ROB NYE, HAS DIRECTED HIS STAFF TO CONTACT ALL THE SCHOOLS FOR A CONTEST BY THE CHILDREN FOR PLEASE DO NOT IDLE SIGNS TO ALERT PARENTS HOW BAD IT IS TO BREATHE EXHAUST FUMES FROM CARS IDLING, SINCE CARLSBAD DOES NOT USE SCHOOL BUSSES. HOORAY! I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WIN. THE ADDED BENEFIT TO CARLSBAD BEING LESS GREENHOUSE GASES BEING EMITTED TO OUR ENVIRONMENT, GETTING US CLOSER TO OUR ENERGY GOALS OF DECREASING GHGS.

BUT I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE A STUDY TO OWN AN ELECTRIC FARM AT THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR FOR COST SAVINGS, ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, AND TO REACH OUR CAP GOALS OF DECREASING GREENHOUSE GASES, REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT, IMPROVE OUR AIR QUALITY, AND IMPROVE OUR HEALTH.

SOLAR IS THE CHEAPEST WAY TO DO THAT. IT CAN BECOME THE BACKBONE OF OUR VERY OWN MICROGRID AT THE SAME SITE.

LAST SATURDAY I WAS AT THE VEGAN FESTIVAL. IT'S AN ANNUAL FESTIVAL AND I WAS TABLING FOR THE SAN DIEGO BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION COALITION WITH CATHY NICHOLSON.

EVERY TIME WE BROUGHT UP ELECTRIFYING PEOPLE'S HOMES, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID? EVERY TIME THE GRID CAN'T TAKE ALL THE HOMES BEING ELECTRIFIED, WHAT WILL WE DO? WELL, THIS IS A STEP TOWARDS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT A MICROGRID IN THE FUTURE BEING ESTABLISHED THERE.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE ENVIRONMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF GOING SOLAR IN CARLSBAD.

RENEE BARTON FOLLOWED BY MIKE MCMAHON.

MY NAME IS RENEE BARTON AND I LIVE IN SEA VISTA IN RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPOSED SITE, THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR SOLAR FARM

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PROJECT. CALFIRE RECENTLY REZONED THIS AREA AS A HIGH FIRE AREA, WITH REQUIREMENTS JUST FOR US TO CUT DOWN TREES THAT ARE CLOSE TO OUR HOMES AND NEAR ROOF LINES. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE HOMES IN VISTA AND OCEANSIDE, THREE SIDES OF THE PROPOSED SITE THAT YOU SAW IN THEIR SLIDES.

AND WITH RESIDENTIAL INSURANCE RATES ALREADY INCREASE, I WONDER IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET INSURANCE AT ALL.

AND THEN ALSO WHETHER CARLSBAD HAS LOOKED INTO WHETHER THEY CAN GET INSURANCE FOR THIS SOLAR FARM AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A FIRE. I UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO KEEP BE CLIMATE CONSCIOUS.

I DEFINITELY WANT TO BE AS WELL. BUT I'M VERY WORRIED THAT IF THERE WERE A FIRE AT THE SOLAR FARM, WHAT IT WOULD DO TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN ALSO WHAT THIS SITE WOULD DO TO OUR HOME VALUES.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS IN CARLSBAD, BUT IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO CARLSBAD HOMES, AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR US TO HAVE JUST RECENTLY LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. AND IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION DISPLACED WILDLIFE OR ENDANGERED SPECIES LIKE THE FROG THAT STOPPED CANON FROM GOING THROUGH. YOU ALSO HAVE A FLIGHT PATH FOR PALOMAR AIRPORT, AND I HAVE TO WONDER WHAT THESE SOLAR PANELS MIGHT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THAT OR ACCIDENTS. IF THE PILOTS HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE VISION FROM THE SHINING LIGHTS FROM THESE SOLAR PANELS.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT I COULD BE WRONG THAT THIS SPACE IS ZONED FOR OPEN SPACE, NOT A SOLAR PANEL FARM.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE RECOMMEND YOU NOT GO THROUGH WITH THIS FEASIBILITY.

IT IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT MAYBE LOOK INTO PUTTING TRAILS AND TREES AND THINGS LIKE THIS ON THE LAND, OR EVEN MAYBE MAKING THAT RESERVOIR LARGER. ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF. MY NAME IS MIKE MCMAHON.

I'M A LONGTIME CARLSBAD RESIDENT. BY ADVANCING THE MAERKLE RESERVOIR FEASIBILITY STUDY AND OPTION ONE, OUR CITY IS GOING TO FULFILL THE SUSTAINABILITY REQUIREMENTS OF OUR FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN AND DELIVER ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS OF CUTTING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. AND INCORPORATE RENEWABLE ENERGY INTO OUR WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.

INVESTING IN A WATER AND A SOLAR BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM NOW NOT ONLY PROTECTS THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT ALSO SERVES SECURES A PREDICTABLE ENERGY COST FOR THE FUTURE, SHIELDING OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO SHIELD OUR COMMUNITY FROM ONGOING RATE SPIKES. BUT JUST AS IMPORTANT, THIS PROJECT CAN SERVE AS A FOUNDATION FOR A FUTURE CITY MICROGRID, STRENGTHENING THE RESILIENCE DURING STORMS, WILDFIRES AND GRID EMERGENCIES.

WE REALLY AREN'T STARTING FROM SCRATCH HERE ON THIS PROJECT.

OTHER CALIFORNIA CITY WATER AGENCIES ARE PROTECTING OR PROVIDING THIS APPROACH OR APPROVING ITS APPROACH IS BOTH PRACTICAL AND COST EFFECTIVE.

AND JUST NORTH OF US, IRVINE RANCH WATER DISTRICT AND THE METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, EACH INDEPENDENTLY OPERATE A DISTRIBUTED BATTERY STORAGE NETWORKS THAT REDUCE PEAK CHARGES FOR IRVINE RANCH.

THIS IS A SAVINGS OF $500,000 ANNUALLY. A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH, INDEPENDENT WATER DISTRICTS FOR SANTA MARGARITA AND GOLETA BOTH USE SOLAR, WITH BATTERY STORAGE FOR SAVINGS AND RESILIENCE FOR SANTA MARGARITA.

THIS SAVES THEM $112,000 A YEAR. SO THESE EXAMPLES SHOW THAT INVESTING IN RENEWABLE ENERGY STORAGE ARE PROVEN, DEPENDABLE AND SOLUTIONS. THEY CUT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, STABILIZE COSTS, AND ENSURE OUR WATER SYSTEMS REMAIN OPERATIONAL EVEN IF THE GRID IS UNDER STRESS.

SO I URGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE.

THANK YOU. PAIGE TICINO FOLLOWED BY LAYNE SHAMAN.

HI. PAIGE CASINO AGAIN, CARLSBAD RESIDENT. MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

AFTER MANY YEARS, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT THE COUNCIL AND WATER DISTRICT THAT BEING YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD ON GENERATING LOCAL CLEAN ENERGY.

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ONE OF THE UNDERPINNINGS OF THE JPA FOR OUR CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE, APPROVING A SOLAR PLUS STORAGE PROJECT AT MAERKLE RESERVOIR WILL BENEFIT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND BUILD ENERGY RESILIENCY FOR OUR REGION WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE.

NATIONALLY, WITH RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS UNDER FIRE DUE TO THE UNSUBSTANTIATED, SORRY DENIAL OF CLIMATE CHANGE, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT CITIZENS CAN STILL PROMOTE A CLEANER, MORE SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENT CLOSE TO HOME BECAUSE CALIFORNIA GENERATES SO MUCH RENEWABLE ENERGY DURING THE DAYTIME. NEW SOLAR PROJECTS ARE NEEDED THAT INCLUDE STORAGE TO OFFSET PEAK DEMAND DURING THAT 4 TO 9 P.M. WINDOW, WHEN THE ELECTRICITY COSTS RATEPAYERS THE MOST.

NEW BATTERY TECHNOLOGY IS CONTINUING TO ADDRESS SAFETY CONCERNS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE WITH OLDER BATTERIES.

I ASK THAT YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL STAFF AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

MY NAME IS ELAINE SHAMAN. I AM THE CO-FOUNDER OF THE MOVEMENT THAT BROUGHT US THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE AND SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER.

I AM A PROFESSIONAL SYSTEMS DESIGNER OF ENERGY SYSTEMS, BOTH LARGE AND SMALL, THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

IN 1930 THERE WAS GREAT FEAR OF AVIATION AND INDEED HALF OF MY FATHER'S CLASS PERISHED. BUT TODAY WE ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF AVIATION THROUGH THE EVOLUTION OF SAFETY.

SO WE ARE SEEING THE SAME THING WITH ENERGY STORAGE TODAY.

WE ARE WITNESSING THE EARLY STAGES OF ENERGY STORAGE, AND WE ARE SEEING IT BECOMING SAFER AND SAFER.

AND INDEED, THERE ARE TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE NOT FLAMMABLE, SUCH AS SODIUM ION BATTERIES.

STUDIES AND APPRAISALS SHOW THERE IS NO MATERIAL LOSS FROM A SOLAR FARM IN HOME VALUES.

IT IS QUIET, EMISSION FREE AND DEVOID OF INCREASING TRAFFIC, AND THERE IS NO PEER REVIEWED STUDY INDICATING THAT EMF LEVELS ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT IS IN A HOME. SO THERE'S A FENCE AROUND THAT, AND THE EMF LEVELS ARE NO HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU FIND IN A HOME.

THERE'S A SERIOUS RISK OF EXPENDING VALUED MONEY ON A FEASIBILITY STUDY WHEN THE CONCERNS TO BE EXPLORED.

THE FEASIBILITY STUDY CAN BE ADDRESSED IN A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.

IF THE CITY ISSUES A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TODAY, YOU WILL AVOID THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO OBTAIN THE TAX CREDIT THAT IS AVAILABLE AS A DIRECT PAYMENT TO THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

THIS IS A 30 OR 40, OR SOMETIMES EVEN 50% DIRECT PAYMENT ON THE COST OF DOING THE PROJECT.

SO I URGE YOU TO INCORPORATE THE CONDITIONS OF THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OF OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY INTO A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, AND ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO BECOME CREATIVE AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE HERE. POSSIBLY A SMALLER PROJECT, POSSIBLY SOME ELEMENTS IN THE PROJECT THAT ARE GOING TO BENEFIT LOCAL RESIDENTS, SUCH AS EV CHARGERS AND THE LIKE. SO I THINK THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT I WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP THAT INCORPORATES THE CONCERNS OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND THAT ENDS MY TIME. THANK YOU. DON CHRISTENSEN, FOLLOWED BY ALAN GOODMAN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF AND FELLOW CITIZENS.

MY NAME IS DON CHRISTENSEN. I LIVE AT 3715 LONGVIEW DRIVE IN CARLSBAD, AND I'M A LONGTIME DECENTRALIZED RENEWABLE ENERGY ADVOCATE. I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO ASK FOR YOUR YES VOTE ON OPTION ONE.

THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME, AND AS I SEE IT, IT ALL GETS DOWN TO A LAND USE DECISION.

HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF A PIECE OF LAND. WHAT IS IT? WELL, THAT ALL DEPENDS UPON THE INDIVIDUAL'S OR THE GROUP'S PERSPECTIVE.

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MOST PEOPLE THINK HIGHEST AND BEST USE. THEY THINK MONEY.

WHAT'S THE VERY BEST RETURN I CAN GET ON THIS PIECE OF LAND? NOW, CITY. THEY NEED TO COME FROM A DIFFERENT PLACE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THE GREATER GOOD.

AND IT TURNS OUT THERE'S GREATER GOOD, NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IN THIS PROJECT.

THERE'S GREATER GOOD FOR EVERY CITY, THE SEVEN CITIES IN THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE.

SO WE ALL BENEFIT IF THIS PROJECT IS BUILT. SO AS FAR AS THE MONEY THING, AND I THINK I'VE SHARED THIS WITH YOU BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE CITY OF CARLSBAD IS SITTING ON A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S EARNING 3.2% RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I ALSO UNDERSTAND, AND THIS GOES BACK A FEW MONTHS, THAT THE LOCAL INFLATION RATE WAS 3.8%.

SO WE'RE LOSING 6% BY DOING NOTHING WITH OUR TAXPAYER MONEY.

WHEN WE COULD INVEST THAT MONEY IN A STATE OF THE ART SOLAR FARM AND EARN A, I WOULD SAY, A MUCH GREATER RETURN ON INVESTMENT. BUT I'M SURE THE FOLKS THAT DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY CAN SORT THAT OUT BETTER THAN I CAN.

SO BRIEFLY, I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF, BUT I HAVEN'T USED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE VERY MUCH.

BUT I DID ASK THE QUESTION. I POSED THE QUESTION TO AI WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF A SOLAR FARM FOR A CITY IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY? WELL, IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE FOUR FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC ADVANTAGES REDUCED ENERGY COSTS, REVENUE GENERATION, LOCAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND RATEPAYER CONTROL.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S A BIG ONE. THREE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVANTAGES REDUCED CARBON FOOTPRINT, IMPROVED AIR QUALITY, CONSERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES, AND THREE GRID RELIABILITY AND RESILIENCE.

ADVANTAGES. INCREASED GRID STABILITY. MICROGRID POTENTIAL.

PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP ORION IN MIND WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS.

THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN MAERKLE RESERVOIR, ORION MICROGRID, THE THIRD DECENTRALIZED GENERATION.

SO THAT'S THE SHORT STORY. ALTHOUGH SINCE I HAVE 14 SECONDS LEFT, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU OF OUR COMMUNITY VISION AND PERHAPS HAVE SUSTAINABILITY EMERGE AS A LEADER IN ENERGY. HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW LEADERSHIP.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALAN GOODMAN. I LIVE IN OCEAN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB, AND THIS FARM WOULD BE DIRECTLY IN MY BACKYARD.

THE ARGUMENTS WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERY ONE OF THEM. I HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON MY HOUSE.

I AM TOTALLY FOR SOLAR. THE QUESTION IS, TO ME, IS THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS WHICH WOULD FALL SOLELY ON OCEANSIDE AND VISTA? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NEGATIVE ASPECTS, HOW BIG THEY ARE, BUT THERE'S, WITHOUT QUESTION, GOING TO BE NEGATIVE ASPECTS.

SO IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR CARLSBAD TO DIRECT THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS THAT WILL HAPPEN SOLELY ON OCEANSIDE AND VISTA. I DON'T THINK IT'S CORRECT, AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE LOTS OF AREAS IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS WHERE YOU COULD PUT SOLAR PANELS ON ROOFTOPS. THERE ARE MANY OTHER PLACES THAT WOULD NOT ONLY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT YOUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ALSO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

BECKY EVANSON, WHO'S REPRESENTING A GROUP, AND I NEED TO VERIFY THAT THE GROUP MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

ROBERT RAMAGE, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? TIM EVANSON. JOANNA ALLAND. SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME. JOE I'M SORRY, I CAN'T READ. OKAY.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BECKY EVANSON, AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF NORTH COUNTY, SAN DIEGO FOR OVER 27 YEARS.

MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED A HOME 12 YEARS AGO ON SEQUOIA CREST IN CHATEAU DEL NORTE IN THE SHADOW RIDGE AREA OF VISTA, AND OUR HOME SITS ON THE FENCE LINE OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT PROPERTY AND THE PROPOSED SITE FOR THE SOLAR FARM AND THE LITHIUM ION BATTERY

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STORAGE PROJECT. I VIEWED AN EXHIBIT THREE LOCATION MAP IN SOME OF YOUR PAPERWORK, AND THE HEXAGONAL SHAPED PROJECT SITE DOES WHAT IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU IS THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND.

AND EVEN THE PICTURES THAT YOU SHOWED US DIDN'T REALLY EMPHASIZE THE HILL.

IT LOOKS FLAT FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS. THE WATER DISTRICTS.

MAERKLE RESERVOIR PROPERTY IS A LARGE HILL THAT RISES UP BETWEEN APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY BY MY COUNTING ON THE PICTURE, 85 HOMES THAT ARE ON THE FENCE LINE IN VISTA AND OCEANSIDE COMMUNITIES.

IT IS A HUGE AND FOREBODING. IT IS HUGE AND FOREBODING AND THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT WE SEE, WHAT I SEE FROM MY BACKYARD IS THIS HILL, THIS THIS RESERVOIR OR THE HILL.

AND NONE OF THESE, AS YOU KNOW, NONE OF THESE HOMES ARE IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

I READ A SAN DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE ARTICLE THAT I JUST FOUND BECAUSE I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2024, AND IT SAID CARLSBAD HAS DECIDED TO PROCEED WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY OF WHETHER IT SHOULD BUILD A SOLAR POWER FARM ON 30 TO 40 ACRES IN A RARELY VISITED CORNER OF THE CITY, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE VISITED BY CARLSBAD RESIDENTS.

BUT IT IS OUR HOME. THIS IS WHERE WE LIVE. AND SO IMAGINE, SORRY THAT YOU USED ALL OF YOUR SAVINGS TO PURCHASE A HOUSE.

YOU REMODELED IT, YOU UPDATED IT. AND IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR FINANCIAL ASSETS.

AND MAYBE YOU HAD THE MEANS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IN CARLSBAD.

IMAGINE SEEING ON NEXT DOOR FOUR DAYS BEFORE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT THIS IDEA EXISTED AND THAT THERE WOULD BE A VOTE TO DESIGNATE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THIS PROJECT. FOR A FEASIBILITY PROJECT AND ITS FEASIBILITY FOR WHO? THE RESIDENTS OF SHADOW RIDGE AND OCEAN HILLS COMMUNITIES HAVE EVERYTHING TO LOSE AND NOTHING TO GAIN.

THE SOLAR PANELS WILL BE UNSIGHTLY AND THEY WILL REDUCE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

EXCUSE ME. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT LOOKING OUT TO A SEA OF SOLAR PANELS FROM YOUR LIVING ROOM, FROM YOUR DINING ROOM, FROM YOUR KITCHEN, AND FROM YOUR PATIO? FROM YOUR WINDOWS. LITHIUM ION BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST HAVE BEEN UNSAFE AND HAZARDOUS, EXPLODING, CAUSING FIRES THAT HAVE SMOLDERED FOR UP TO 14 DAYS IN [INAUDIBLE], RELEASING TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.

THE GREATER, THE AREA OF THE GREATER SHADOW RIDGE COMMUNITY IS ALREADY AT RISK OF WILDFIRES, AND INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE DROPPED POLICIES AND RAISED PREMIUMS. WHAT WILL THEY DO WHEN THEY FIND OUT THERE IS A LITHIUM ION BATTERY STORAGE SO CLOSE TO OUR HOMES? REGARDLESS OF THE RESULTS OF YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY, FINALLY, THIS PROJECT WILL BE COSTLY, POTENTIALLY FINANCIALLY DEVASTATING TO THE 85 HOMEOWNERS WHO NO LONGER GET MARKET VALUE FOR THEIR HOME, OR MAYBE CAN'T FIND A BUYER TO BUY. WHO WANTS TO LIVE WITH THIS UNSIGHTLY VIEW? AND POTENTIALLY UNSAFE ENVIRONMENTS. IF THE 85 HOMES LOSE JUST TWO 200,000 IN OUR PROPERTY VALUE, THAT IS 17 MILLION THAT VISTA AND OCEANSIDE RESIDENTS ARE DONATING TO YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN FOR CARLSBAD, NOT TO MENTION THE EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON SURROUNDING HOMES.

WHEN THEY LOOK AT COMPS FOR HOMES. SO IMAGINE THAT THESE 85 HOMES ON THE FENCE LINE ARE CARLSBAD RESIDENTS.

HOW WOULD YOU VOTE? IMAGINE THAT MY HOME IS YOUR PERSONAL HOME.

HOW WOULD YOU VOTE TONIGHT IF YOU HAVEN'T VISITED OUR BACKYARDS? I URGE YOU TO DO SO BEFORE YOU VOTE. BEFORE YOU VOTE YES, I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO.

I SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY GOALS.

AND ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO GO BACK ONE. SO WE ALL JUST FOUND OUT AND YOU'RE ONLY HEARING WE'RE HEARING SOME VOICES TONIGHT.

BUT GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY.

THIS IS THIS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO US. AND WE WILL BE SEEKING OUT, YOU KNOW, GUIDANCE AND HELP TO FOR WHAT WE FEEL WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SO I SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY GOALS.

AND I APPLAUD THE CITY OF CARLSBAD FOR YOUR EFFORTS TOWARDS YOUR VISION.

HOWEVER, I PLEAD WITH YOU TO USE THE MONEY FOR SOME OTHER CREATIVE PLAN THAT WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT YOUR NEIGHBORS.

A NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT A PLACE FOR A SOLAR FARM OR BATTERY STORAGE, AND I HOPE THAT CARLSBAD WILL PRACTICE ALL THE QUALITIES OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

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INFORMING AND CONSIDERING THE NEEDS OF THE CITIES AND THE ENVIRONMENTS AROUND THEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STEVE HILL FOLLOWED BY DOCTOR VICTORIA FOSTER.

MY NAME IS STEVE HILL AND I LIVE ON REDWOOD CREST IN SEA VISTA THAT BACKS RIGHT UP TO THE MIRACLE RESERVOIR.

I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 37 YEARS AND HAD THE NICE VIEW OF LOOKING OUT TO THE OCEAN, LOOKING OUT, AND HAD AN EVEN MORE VIEW UNTIL THEY ADDED ANOTHER RESERVOIR THAT THEY ACTUALLY COVERED WITH DIRT, WHICH WAS A GREAT THING THAT THEY DID TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY OUT SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SEE THE CEMENT RESERVOIR.

SO WE APPRECIATED THAT. SO I WOULD HATE TO LOSE THAT BY HAVING THIS NEW SOLAR FARM.

THERE'S BEEN MANY STUDIES SAYING THAT THE SOLAR PANELS THEMSELVES WOULD, FOR ABOUT 300M AWAY FROM THE SOLAR PANELS, WOULD INCREASE THE TEMPERATURE BY SEVERAL DEGREES DURING THE DAY AND ALSO IN THE EVENINGS AS IT'S COOLING OFF, A LOT MORE HEAT WOULD COME OFF OF THOSE PANELS THAT WOULD KEEP THE TEMPERATURE HIGHER AS WE HEAD INTO THE EVENING TIME, AND WE DO ENJOY OUR EVENING BREEZES THAT WE GET FROM THE OCEAN.

SO I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THAT TEMPERATURE RISE.

I'M LOOKING AT THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES AND WONDERING IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.

THE FUMES ARE GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO MY HOUSE BECAUSE THE WESTERLY WINDS.

I'M LOOKING AT THE DAWSONS LOS BANOS CANYON PRESERVE, RUN BY UCSD, RIGHT UP NEXT TO THAT, WHICH IS VERY OVERGROWN ENVIRONMENTAL AREA. A FIRE OUT OF THE BATTERY FACILITY WOULD CAUSE MAJOR DAMAGE THERE BESIDES TAKING OUT ALL OF OUR HOMES. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO REAL QUICKLY READ A LETTER BY THE ORANGE COUNTY PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION ABOUT A SITE UP IN SAN CLEMENTE SAYING ON BEHALF OF THE ORANGE COUNTY PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, I'M WRITING TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG OPPOSITION TO PROPOSED BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY IN SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO AS FIRST RESPONDERS TASKED WITH PROTECTING THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT RISKS POSED BY SUCH FACILITIES, PARTICULARLY THE THREAT OF FIRES CAUSED BY UNSTABLE ELECTRIC BATTERIES.

IN RECENT YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS REPORTS OF BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES CATCHING FIRE, CREATING HIGHLY DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE SITUATIONS FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND NEARBY RESIDENTS.

THESE FIRES ARE DIFFICULT TO EXTINGUISH, PRODUCE TOXIC FUMES, AND CAN RAPIDLY ESCALATE BEYOND CONTAINMENT.

OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE IN HARM'S WAY WHEN THEY WORKED TO SUPPRESS THESE AND THE SURROUNDING HOMES AND BUSINESSES AS PART OF THAT LETTER.

OUR AREA THERE, MAERKLE, THERE'S ONLY ONE EGRESS AND INGRESS IN.

AND THEY THEY BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE PRESENTATION.

YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH VISTA THROUGH THE GATE TO GET TO THAT AREA.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITING THE FIREFIGHTING CAPABILITIES AND STUFF.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S BAD. I THINK IT'D BE BETTER.

GOOD EVENING. I SEE YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE NUMB FROM ALL THE VOICES OF YOUR RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS.

I ALSO LIVE IN THE CITY OF OCEANSIDE ON DASIA WAY.

MY HOME DOES NOT BACK UP DIRECTLY TO IT, BUT IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO IT.

WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT OCEAN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB IS IT'S A 55 AND UP COMMUNITY.

SO WE ARE A SENIOR COMMUNITY. WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING AN ACTIVE SENIOR COMMUNITY.

YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW ACTIVE WE ARE. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE DISABLED THAT CANNOT GET OUT OF BED.

AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING AN INDUSTRIAL PLANT, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONE WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO PUT SENIOR CITIZENS AT RISK IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE.

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE SAID. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEAT ISLAND.

ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE SETBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HEAT DISSIPATES BEFORE IT REACHES OUR HOMES? ARE YOU GOING TO COMPENSATE US FOR THE EXTRA ENERGY IT TAKES TO AIR CONDITION OUR HOMES? IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THE SETBACK. YOU KNOW, THE THE BATTERY FIRE IN ESCONDIDO BURNED FOR DAYS.

THEY HAD TO EVACUATE. OCEAN HILLS ONLY HAS TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS, AND YOU ONLY ARE LOOKING AT ONE ENTRANCE AND

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EXIT IN THE RESERVOIR. I AM VERY SOLAR POSITIVE MYSELF.

WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PUTTING PANELS ON OUR HOME RIGHT NOW.

I'M IN FAVOR OF SOLAR. JUST PLEASE PUT IT IN AN INDUSTRIAL LOCATION AND NOT NEXT TO HOMES.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

MISTER SHIN, THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION.

COULD I GET THE FIRE CHIEF UP HERE? GOT MORE QUESTIONS TO HIM THAN ANYONE ELSE.

I'M GOING TO ESSENTIALLY UNRETIRE AND BE A FIRE CAPTAIN AND KIND OF TAKE THAT PERSPECTIVE AND ASK OUR WONDERFUL FIRE CHIEF SOME QUESTIONS.

CAN WE GET TO SLIDE NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE? OKAY.

SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IS JUST LIKE, AND I KNOW ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HAD BROUGHT THIS UP.

WE'RE AND THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION TOWARDS YOU GUYS.

THIS SITE IS HIGHLY MORE ELEVATED THAN THE RESIDENTS BELOW, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LIKE RANCHO CARLSBAD AND DOWN EL CAMINO RIGHT TOWARDS OUR AREA.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO MELROSE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

YES. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN SO THAT'S JUST CONTEXT OF WHAT WE WERE SAYING.

SEEING RIGHT THERE. ARE WE ABLE TO JUST, LIKE, PULL UP A MAP OF THE AREA SO WE CAN ZOOM IN ON A CERTAIN SPOT TO.

OR IS THAT AM I ASKING FOR TOO MUCH? I'LL HAVE.

DON'T DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT. I'M SORRY. OKAY.

SORRY. EXPLAIN TO ME, CHIEF, WHO WOULD BE THE FIRST IN FIRE STATION TO PULL OUT OF HERE? SO WHICH CAPTAIN WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP? IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE THE CITY OF VISTA.

I BELIEVE VISTA FIRE STATION FIVE WOULD BE THE FIRST ENGINE THAT WOULD ARRIVE.

OKAY. I NOTICED THAT, TOO. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FIRST DUE IN.

IT'LL BE THAT CAPTAIN'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE FIRST IN ASSIGNMENTS FOR OUR FIRE.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, THEN. IT LOOKS LIKE VISTA FIRE STATION FOUR WOULD BE THE NEXT IN.

WOULD THAT BE KIND OF SAFE TO ASSUME? AND THEN OUR FIRE STATION FIVE, ASSUMING EVERYBODY WAS IN QUARTERS AT THE TIME OF CALL, THAT WOULD BE A CORRECT ASSESSMENT. OKAY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE AUDIENCE AND MYSELF HOW A BATTERY FIRE IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FIRE THAT WE SUPPRESS? CERTAINLY, THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES AND THE BATTERIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY THEY REACH, ONCE THEY CATCH FIRE, THEY REACH SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED THERMAL RUNAWAY.

AND JUST SIMPLY PLACING WATER ON THE FIRE DOES NOT PUT THEM OUT.

THEY CONTINUE TO BURN, AND THEY RELEASE VERY TOXIC CHEMICALS THAT CAN AND WILL REMAIN BURNING SEVERAL DAYS, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER. AND REALLY, YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO BURN OUT.

THIS INCLUDES EVEN NEW TECHNOLOGY LIKE SODIUM ION AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO NOT JUST THE LITHIUM. THAT'S CORRECT. THERE IS SOME ADVANCEMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS COME OUT.

BUT THE RISK AND THE DANGER IS STILL THERE. OKAY.

CAN WE. I'M SORRY. CAN WE PUT THAT SLIDE BACK UP? OKAY. THE QUESTION IS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT SLIDE FIVE FOR THE AUDIENCE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN COORDINATION WITH MUTUAL AID WITH OCEANSIDE, VISTA AND SAN MARCOS FOR A REGIONAL WIDE EVACUATION? IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FIND OUT THAT THERE'S A FIRE THERE.

WELL, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN, AND WE DON'T NEED A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO TELL US.

AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THAT THIS IS IN A VERY HIGH, AND I WANT TO CORRECT SOME STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER.

CALIFORNIA STATE FIRE MARSHAL HAS DESIGNATED FIRE SEVERITY ZONES AS MODERATE, HIGH AND VERY HIGH.

AND IN THE THE PRESENTATION YOU SAW TONIGHT IT STATED HIGH.

AND I THINK WE HEARD SOME OTHER INDIVIDUALS STATE HIGH.

BUT THIS AREA IS ACTUALLY IN VERY HIGH. SO IT IS THE MOST EXTREME IN THE DESIGNATION THAT THE STATE HAS DEEMED FOR OPEN LAND. SO IT BEING VERY HIGH, THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY OF SPREAD INTO THE VEGETATION.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A LARGE FIRST ALARM ASSIGNMENT IN THIS, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, VISTA WOULD BE THE FIRST IN AND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH A GATED ENTRANCE THAT I BELIEVE YOU SAW ON ONE OF THE MAPS FROM THE CITY OF VISTA.

AND THEN THAT GOES TO A DIRT ROAD. THE ONLY ACCESS FROM CARLSBAD BAD IS THROUGH A LOW WATER CROSSING OR AN ARIZONA CROSSING DOWN IN SUNNY CREEK,

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AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE OUR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE FIRE ENGINE SO THE SMALLER ENGINES WITH LIMITED WATER.

SMALLER WATER THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TYPE OF FIRE.

SO WE ALSO WOULD HAVE TO USE THAT ENTRANCE UP IN VISTA WITH OUR LARGER FIRE ENGINES THAT YOU SEE AROUND TOWN WITH THE HIGHER CAPACITIES OF WATER.

WITH THAT RESPONSE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CALL A UNIFIED COMMAND, MEANING IT'S NOT JUST FIRE AGENCIES, BUT WE WOULD NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL, BECAUSE WITH THE PREVAILING WIND THAT WE KNOW IS COMING OFF OF THE OCEAN MOST OF THE TIME THE SMOKE PLUME WOULD LAY RIGHT OVER THE COMMUNITIES OF VISTA AND OCEANSIDE.

AND SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, ARE 55 PLUS COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE EXTRA HEALTH CONSIDERATIONS WHEN THE SMOKE IS LAYING DOWN OVER THEIR COMMUNITIES. LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE CARLSBAD, SAN DIEGO SHERIFF'S AND OCEANSIDE WOULD BE WORKING ON EVACUATIONS TO CLEAR THE AREAS OF THOSE HOMES. AND THE THE DIAMETER OF THAT EVACUATION, IT WOULD BE MORE OBLONG BASED ON THE WIND.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW LARGE THAT AREA COULD BE.

IT COULD BE AS FAR AS THE 78 FREEWAY AND BEYOND, DEPENDING ON THE WIND.

SO THIS WOULD BE AN EXTREMELY LARGE EVENT THAT WOULD TAKE A LARGE AMOUNT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN MULTIPLE FIRE AGENCIES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND THAT CAN TAKE PLACE JUST EVEN IF IT WAS ISOLATED TO THE BATTERY STORAGE.

RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT IF THIS WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WILDFIRE.

SO OPERATIONS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INGRESS TO THAT LOCATION IS AT A IT'S LIKE A SMALL CUL DE SAC, APPLES OR SOMETHING STREET.

AND THEN SO IT'S A SMALL CUL DE SAC, AND THEN YOU GO INTO A GATE AND THEN NOW YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR WAY AND KIND OF FUNNEL YOURSELF INTO THE LOCATION, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S YEAH, WE JUST SAW IT RIGHT THERE. THERE'S THE LITTLE CUL DE SAC AND THEN YOU MAKE THE DRIVE IN THERE. NOW WE'RE ALL IN THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME MANY FIRE ENGINES, A LOT OF PERSONNEL.

TAKE THE FIRE OUT NOW. THERE'S A WILDFIRE. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN UP THE HILL COMES A BIG RUN OF FIRE.

AND WE NEED TO EVACUATE FROM THERE. SO HOW DO WE GET FIRE ENGINES IN ALL OUR PERSONNEL OUT THAT LITTLE GATE RIGHT THERE.

AND I'M YOUR FIRE CAPTAIN, SO BE VERY CAUTIOUS.

SO I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO IS WE ARE TRYING TO GET FIRE RESOURCES IN TO THE AREA WHERE WE ARE EVACUATING, AND PEOPLE ARE EXITING IN THEIR VEHICLES.

AND YOU'RE TALKING, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ALLUDING TO THE CONGESTION THAT WOULD OCCUR AND THE DIFFICULTY OF GETTING FIRE UNITS TO ACTUALLY GET TO A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD FIGHT THE FIRE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME. IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

AND IN THAT CASE, WHEN WE HAD THE VEGETATION FIRE, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD HAVE A AN ADDITIONAL RESPONSE OF THOSE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE BRUSH ENGINES THAT WOULD COME IN THROUGH THE CARLSBAD ENTRANCE.

IT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT I'M ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT IF WE HAD MULTIPLE UNITS IN THERE AND THE BRUSH FIRE IS RUNNING UP, RIGHT. SO LET'S SAY THIS IS A BRUSH FIRE THAT CAUSED THE BATTERY FIRE.

NOW IT'S MOVING UP THE BRUSH AND WE HAVE TO EVACUATE.

I HAVE, RIGHT, I'M SCOUTING THE AREA AND I SAY IF A FIRE RUNS UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, WE ALL NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW IN THAT BOTTLENECK AREA, ARE WE GOING TO GET MULTIPLE FIRE ENGINES OUT THERE, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT A POSSIBILITY WITH WINDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEPLOY OUR FIRE SHELTERS AND JUST HOPE THAT WE MAKE IT OUT? YEAH.

SO NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. AND IF WE WERE TRAPPED WE WOULD FIND AN AREA WHERE WE WOULD DEPLOY FIRE SHELTERS, WHICH ARE THOSE, THEY KIND OF LOOK LIKE SPACE BLANKETS THAT YOU LAY ON THE GROUND AND PUT THEM OVER YOU.

AND THAT LOOKS LIKE A VERY GOOD PLACE TO DO THAT, WHICH IS PICTURED THERE WITH HOPEFULLY SOME GREEN AREA OR WE HAVE TO CUT A LINE OR A SQUARE WITH A SHOVEL TO WHERE WE GET STRAIGHT DIRT, AND WE WOULD DEPLOY IN THAT OPEN AREA WITH THE FIRE GOING OVER THE TOP OF US.

HOW COMFORTABLE WOULD YOU FEEL HAVING TO DO THAT GREEN SHEET AFTER ACTIONS REPORT? I HAVE NOT HAD TO DO ONE AND I DON'T EVER WANT TO DO NEITHER.

OKAY. LET'S FLIP THIS SITUATION. LET'S SAY YOU'RE THE FIRE CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF VISTA, AND THE CITY OF CARLSBAD WANTED TO DO THIS PROJECT. WOULD, WHAT WOULD CONCERN YOU? THE EXACT SAME THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? FIREFIGHTER PERSONNEL, SAFETY, MEANS OF EGRESS, THE AMOUNT OF THE VOLUME OF RESOURCES THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED FOR THIS, CREATING MISTRUST TO THE PUBLIC.

ALL OF THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND TELL THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND SAY, HEY, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. SO I'LL ANSWER ANSWER PART OF THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT

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WOULD IT FEEL LIKE IF I WERE THE FIRE CHIEF IN VISTA? AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE FIRE CHIEF IN VISTA ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

VISTA IS A VERY PROFESSIONAL, TOP NOTCH ORGANIZATION, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY COULD RESPOND JUST AS WELL AS CARLSBAD.

HOWEVER, EVEN THOUGH WE DO PARTICIPATE IN CLOSEST RESOURCE BOUNDARY DROP, MY BELIEF, MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION AS YOUR FIRE CHIEF IS THAT THIS IS A LOT TO ASK OF ANOTHER AGENCY TO COME IN, AND KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD BE THE FIRST, SECOND IN AND ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS LARGE SCALE OF AN INCIDENT GOES BEYOND THE ORIGINAL TENANTS AND THE AGREEMENTS FOR BOUNDARY DROP. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

HERE. WE HAVE A SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOWED LIKE SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE IS THE QUESTION TOWARDS YOU IS AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE POSSIBLY A CEQA EXEMPTION. ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WOULD KIND OF ENCROACH INTO OUR OPEN SPACE IN ORDER TO HAVE TO CONDUCT SOME OF OUR CONSTRUCTION AND TO BUILD THIS TO JUST BEGIN WITH? YEAH. I DON'T, WE WOULD NOT BE SEEKING AN EXEMPTION FOR THIS.

THIS WOULD REQUIRE LIKELY AN EIR IS WHAT WE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY COORDINATED WITH PLANNING.

SO IT WOULD BE THE FULL EIR. COULD WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF TAKING OVER SOME OF OUR OPEN SPACE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD ON DEAR? THAT IS AN ITEM THAT WOULD BE STUDIED IN THE FEASIBILITY REPORT.

BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A POTENTIAL. OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES BEING DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT IS ACCESS TO THE SITE THAT HAS TO BE STUDIED, AND AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE HAS TO BE STUDIED. AND IN THAT, YES, THERE IS POTENTIAL TO IMPACT OPEN SPACE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR ME. MS. BURKHOLDER. THANK YOU. MAYOR. LET'S SEE, I WAS ACTUALLY.

OH, FIRE CHIEF. CHIEF CALDWELL WAS SORRY. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK SOMETHING RELATIVE TO.

IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE EVENT. LET ME BE REDUNDANT.

IT FEELS LIKE TO ME THERE WOULD BE POSSIBILITY FOR CONTAMINATED WATER TO BE INTO OUR RESERVOIR.

AT LEAST. POSSIBLY. POTENTIALLY. I DON'T KNOW, YOU EXPLAIN THAT.

PLEASE. SO I LOVE THE IDEA. I DON'T LOVE THE SITE FOR ALL OF THE MENTIONS THAT WE'VE FOR ALL THE, THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED. BUT YOU DO BRING UP SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND TO DISCUSS.

AND THAT'S WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AIR.

BUT IT'S ALSO THE SOIL AND THE WATER. WHEN YOU DO HAVE FIRES LIKE THIS, THERE WILL BE WATER PUT ON IT, AND THAT WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE AND THAT WATER GOES INTO THE SOIL.

AND YOU HAVE LOS MONOS CANYON HERE, WHICH HAS THE CREEK.

I THINK IT'S OAK LAKE. IT'S NOT MUCH OF A LAKE, BUT THERE'S A LAKE.

AND THEN THIS GOES DIRECTLY BEHIND THE RANCHO CARLSBAD COMMUNITY, DOWN CANYON INTO THE LAGOON.

AS FAR AS THE RESERVOIR I COULD NOT SPEAK IF IT WOULD GO INTO THE RESERVOIR.

BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT GOING INTO THE SOIL AND INTO THE WATERWAYS BELOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. SHIN ASKED ALL MY OTHER QUESTIONS OF YOU, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT GHGS IF WE WANT TO. CITY MANAGER.

OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY DIRECTOR JAMIE WOODS IS APPROACHING THE PODIUM.

HI, MR. WOODS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE THE CAP MAN.

SO, ARE WE ON TARGET TO MEET OUR GHG IN CARLSBAD? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER. THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE THAT COUNCIL APPROVED IN NOVEMBER IS SET TO MEET THE GOALS CURRENTLY THAT THAT ARE SET UP FOR 2030, 2035 AND 2045.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

WAS MAERKLE SOLAR PROJECT CONSIDERED IN MEETING THAT GHG GOAL? NO, THE MAERKLE PROJECT WAS NOT CONSIDERED. THEY WERE, THERE WERE SOME SUPPORTIVE GOALS IN THERE, BUT THEY WEREN'T CALCULATED GOALS IN THE GHG NUMBERS THAT WERE IN THAT IN THOSE GOALS.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANKS.

I'M SORRY. YOU'RE STILL ASKING. I MET WITH HIM.

SORRY. MAYOR LAST QUESTION. I'M JUST WONDERING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, BECAUSE IT HAS TWO PHASES, WOULD EQUAL OVER $1 MILLION IN EXCESS, LIKE $1.3 MILLION.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE $1.3 MILLION FOR? ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE WATER UTILITY AND WE HAVE LOTS OF NEEDS FOR OUR SYSTEM.

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SO IF WE WERE REALLOCATED THOSE FUNDS, WE CERTAINLY CAN FIND USE FOR OUR WATER FACILITIES FOR THOSE.

I THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXPERT THAT CAN TELL US A LOT OF THE ANSWERS TO THOSE THINGS.

SO IT SEEMS TO BE A WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO ME AT THIS POINT.

BUT THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MISS ACOSTA.

THANK YOU. AND FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THIS AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT TODAY TO SPEAK ON BOTH SIDES.

SO I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THE AREA, THE GREATER AREA AND THEN THE POTENTIAL AREA FOR THE SOLAR FARM, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING? I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT 56 ACRES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT LOOKS PRETTY SMALL FROM THE SKY, BUT IT'S A PRETTY LARGE AREA.

SO I'M WONDERING IF, IF ANY OF THAT IF YOU COULD SHARE ANY MORE ABOUT THE AREA.

SURE. THE UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF THE SITE IS ABOUT 56 ACRES.

IN TERMS OF WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY TRYING TO DETERMINE A SIZING, KNOWING THAT WE AREN'T SOLAR FOLKS WE WERE LOOKING AT SETBACKS FROM BOTH OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES OF ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 100FT.

SO THE, THE DEVELOPABLE AREA FOR A PROJECT WOULD BE ON THE ORDER OF 35 ACRES.

OKAY. AND I KNOW A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT THE EXPERTS. AND THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE POINT OF THE HAVING THE RFP FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS IMPORTANT AND WHY WE AUTHORIZED IT LAST TIME.

SO ANOTHER QUESTION WE TALKED ABOUT, WE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ISSUING THE RFP.

WHAT KIND OF BATTERIES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I KEEP HEARING LITHIUM. I HEARD THE FIRE CHIEF MENTIONED LITHIUM. I HEARD SOME A FEW OTHER PEOPLE. BUT I ALSO REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND I HEARD ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAY SOMETHING ABOUT A SODIUM BASED BATTERY THAT DOESN'T CATCH FIRE THE SAME WAY.

SO DO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF BATTERIES WOULD BE CONSIDERED? WE DON'T ACTUALLY. AND THAT'S THE POINT OF ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

AND HIRING A SOLAR INDUSTRY EXPERT IS THAT IT SEEMS TO BE AN EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO HIRE PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THAT TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND THE RISKS AND THE BENEFITS OF THOSE.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WOULD HAVE WE WOULD FIND OUT IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

AND THE SETBACK WAS ONE THING THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL OF MAYBE 100FT, BUT WE WOULD THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CONSULTANTS WOULD COME UP WITH IN A RECOMMENDATION TO US RIGHT THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

CORRECT. AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE ALSO A REQUIREMENT DURING THE CEQA ANALYSIS.

OKAY. AND CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CEQA ANALYSIS? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT CEQA EXEMPTION.

I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE THE CASE. THERE'S DEFINITELY A PROCESS THAT THAT A PROJECT LIKE THIS WOULD GO THROUGH.

AND I'M GUESSING THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY, THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE WOULD LEARN WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH.

BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US ABOUT WHAT WHAT THAT WOULD BE? WELL, LIKE I SAID, OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT ABOUT A POTENTIAL PROJECT, THEIR ANALYSIS WAS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, MANY OF MANY OF THE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT ACCESS AND SETBACKS, ETC.

VISUAL SCREENING CERTAINLY IMPACTS POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE PRESERVE, ETC..

CAN YOU PUT THE TIMELINE BACK UP? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT SLIDE THAT WAS SEVEN, MAYBE FOUR.

OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. YOU ALREADY KNOW. SO I SEE IT STARTS HERE IN 2022 2023.

BUT THE FUNNY THING IS WHEN I WAS ELECTED IN 2020, EVERYBODY WAS ALREADY SAYING THIS IS A PROJECT WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO HAPPEN FOR A LONG TIME. AND THAT WAS WHEN I WAS ELECTED IN 2020.

SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN MUCH LONGER THAN THIS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AND I HEARD WE HEARD FROM THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE FOLKS AND SOME OF THEIR SUPPORTERS THAT WE WE HAVE A NEED FOR LOCAL ENERGY, CLEAN ENERGY GENERATION AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SOME KIND OF A PARTNERSHIP.

HOW WOULD WE LIKE? WOULD WE HAVE A CUSTOMER ALREADY CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE OR SOMEONE ELSE? OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE FEASIBILITY STUDY? WHO WOULD PURCHASE THE ENERGY PRODUCED BY SOLAR FARM? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED DURING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

YOU'RE CORRECT. THIS IDEA OF SOLAR RESERVOIR HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, AND BACK IN THE FILES AS EARLY AS 2015.

AND AGAIN, THE EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY AS WELL AS THE EVOLVING, EVOLVING AGREEMENTS, FINANCING OPPORTUNITIES YOU KNOW,

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POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS HAVE HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE CURRENT RECOMMENDED STRATEGY WOULD BE THAT COULD MOST BENEFIT BASED ON THE ENERGY GENERATED AND HOW THAT WOULD BE PUT BACK TO THE GRID.

CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, DIURNAL NEEDS AS WELL.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD ALL BE INCLUDED IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING WILL BE IN FEASIBILITY STUDY.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER DO WE KNOW OF OF OTHER LOCAL RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION? I KNOW THERE'S A NEED, BUT ARE THERE OTHERS THAT WE CAN LOOK TO AS MODELS AND LOCALLY HERE IN NORTH COUNTY? OR IS IT JUST WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS.

I KNOW WE NEED THEM, BUT ARE THERE OTHERS? DO WE KNOW? THERE ARE, MOST RECENTLY, I BELIEVE A SOLAR PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED ON CAMP PENDLETON.

AND THEN ALSO IN THE CITY OF POWAY. OKAY. OKAY.

IT DOES SEEM THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M ASKING WOULD BE ANSWERED BY THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE NEED, AND WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THEM. WE'VE BEEN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS TO TRY TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THIS.

THE INFORMATION FROM THE FIRE CHIEF AND ABOUT THE VERY HIGH FIRE SEVERITY ZONE.

YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE MAPS JUST CAME OUT A FEW MONTHS AGO.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE IN A VERY HIGH FIRE SEVERITY ZONE IF IF A PIECE OF A CITY, IF SOME LAND IN A CITY IS IN A VERY HIGH FIRE SEVERITY ZONE, DOES THAT MEAN WE CANNOT CONSTRUCT ON IT? WE MUST REMOVE WHATEVER IS ON THERE, BECAUSE IT'S IN A VERY HIGH FIRE SEVERITY ZONE TO HAVE TO DESTROY WHATEVER'S ON IT, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HIGH. LIKE, WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY MEAN? MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE FIRE CHIEF. THANKS. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CANNOT BUILD ON THAT LAND.

THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE A STAT THAT THEY THEY ESTABLISH DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT YOU BUILD, HOW YOU BUILD. IT'S CALLED SEVEN A CONSTRUCTION.

SO THE TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT YOU, THAT YOU USE ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE AND HAVE MUCH HIGHER FIRE RESISTIVE RATINGS.

AND THEN THE SETBACK THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IS MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL.

FOR A SOLAR FARM TOO? OR IS THAT JUST WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL? ANYTHING. ANYTHING THAT YOU BUILD? OKAY. YEP.

THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE VERY HIGH. OKAY.

AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION THAT THE CITY OF VISTA HAS ALREADY ADOPTED BECAUSE OF THEIR VISTA HAS BOTH THE CITY OF VISTA AND VISTA PROTECTION DISTRICT. SO THEIR FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT FALLS UNDER THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY HAS, HAS ESTABLISHED WHAT'S CALLED ZONE ZERO, WHICH THE STATE WILL BE SUPPOSEDLY WILL BE MAKING MANDATORY AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WHICH REQUIRES ADDITIONAL SETBACKS FOR VERY.

ALL RESIDENTS WILL HAVE TO CLEAR THE SPACE AROUND THEIR HOMES. FIVE FEET.

CORRECT. YES. AND YES, THAT'S COMING, THAT'S COMING.

SO FOR THIS, I MEAN, THIS IS NEW THE INFORMATION THAT I HEARD TONIGHT FROM YOU IS NOT IN OUR STAFF REPORT.

IT WAS NOT EARLIER PRESENTED TO US. AND US, AND IT'S REALLY WORRYING ME BECAUSE IT'S JUST PRESENTED LIVE FROM THE FIRE CHIEF TONIGHT, AND IT PUTS A MONKEY WRENCH IN MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

SO I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. THANKS. FIRE CHIEF.

MRS BHAT-PATEL. YES. THANK YOU, FIRE CHIEF, I, DON'T GO.

I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. AND FIRST OFF, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO'S HERE AND WHO'S EITHER WRITTEN IN OR IS PRESENT TONIGHT AND IS SPEAKING.

AND OF COURSE, TO OUR STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS.

IT'S BEEN A, I KNOW A LONG TIME COMING. SO REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

SO I'LL START OFF WITH YOU BECAUSE I KNOW I ASKED FOR SOME QUESTIONS AND YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SITE IS OF CONCERN DUE TO THE FIRE RISK AND, AND SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION HERE.

ARE THERE ARE THERE THOUGHTS AROUND BETTER SITES WITH REGARDS, AND I'M NOT SAYING IDENTIFYING ANY SITES RIGHT NOW.

BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FOLKS SAY WE DON'T WANT THEM NEAR HOMES.

WOULD THERE BE OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THIS, WHETHER IT'S INDUSTRIAL OR SOME OTHER ZONING WHERE THERE WOULD BE HOPEFULLY LESS OF A FIRE RISK TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP.

SO I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT I DO REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THIS.

IT'S I JUST DON'T IT'S PROFESSIONALLY I CANNOT SUPPORT.

AND YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY I DON'T OBJECT OFTEN. VERY RARELY, I THINK.

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HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ME SAY THAT I CANNOT SUPPORT.

I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS LOCATION. AS FAR AS OTHER LOCATIONS, I WOULD NOT BE THE CORRECT PERSON TO ASK.

IF THERE WAS ANOTHER LOCATION THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE HIGH LEVEL OF RISK, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT SOMETHING IN A LOCATION LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR YOU. THANK YOU.

IN TERMS OF WE HEARD SOME FOLKS TALK ABOUT ZONING AND THE ZONING OF THAT SPECIFIC AREA.

COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT THAT AREA IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR? IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR OPEN SPACE. AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THAT WOULD BE THAT ACCORDING TO PLANNING, WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR UTILITY.

OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW SOME CONCERNS WERE RAISED WITH REGARDS TO NEIGHBORING AGENCIES.

WE CLEARLY HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FROM OTHER CITIES AS WELL.

I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS, IF ANY, THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORING AGENCIES.

AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU, CITY MANAGER.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT OUR COMMUNICATION LOOKED LIKE WITH OTHER AGENCIES.

TO LET THEM KNOW. I KNOW THIS IS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION, BUT IT OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT NEIGHBOR IT.

SO JUST CURIOUS WHAT OUR PROCESS HAS LOOKED LIKE FOR THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I LET THE CITY MANAGER AND VISTA KNOW THAT THIS ITEM WAS COMING AS SOON AS THE AGENDA BECAME AVAILABLE.

HE AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST YEAR AS WELL ABOUT THIS PROJECT COMING, AND THAT I ASSURED HIM THAT I WOULD LET HIM KNOW IN ADVANCE WHEN THIS WAS COMING.

SO I DELIVERED ON THAT. AND AS YOU HEARD THE FIRE CHIEF MENTIONED, HE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE CHIEF IN VISTA AS WELL.

OKAY. I THINK JUST A COMMENT. SO I DON'T END UP FORGETTING.

I'M ASSUMING A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS DID NOT GET NOTICE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.

AND SO I'M GUESSING THAT'S WHY WE'RE HEARING SOME CONCERNS ON FOLKS NOT FEELING LIKE THEY RECEIVED THAT NOTICE.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON.

BECAUSE I HEARD THAT AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THE OTHER PIECE THAT WAS MENTIONED WERE THAT THERE ARE TWO OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH PROJECTS.

AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IT WAS CAMP PENDLETON AND CITY OF POWAY. SO WHERE WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION, IF YOU'RE AWARE, HAVE THEY ENDED UP PLACING THESE PROJECTS? I CAN'T SPEAK TO SPECIFICS. I KNOW FOR SURE THAT IN THE CITY OF POWAY, I USED TO WORK IN THE CITY OF POWAY.

IT IS IN A COMMERCIAL AREA THAT ABUTS AN OPEN SPACE AREA.

AND YOU'RE NOT AWARE WHERE THE CAMP PENDLETON LOCATION IS? I DO NOT. OKAY. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH REGARDS TO A TAX CREDIT.

THAT WAS INTERESTING. AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD TALK THROUGH OR EXPLAIN A BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, IF YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT AND IF NOT, TOTALLY OKAY, BUT JUST I KNOW IT CAME UP DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SOMETHING I WANTED TO ADDRESS AS WELL. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE FEASIBILITY REPORT OR STUDY WOULD HAVE TO FLESH OUT.

OBVIOUSLY THE INCENTIVES VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THE SOLAR INDUSTRY, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE STUDIED IN GREATER DETAIL.

OKAY. THE LAST, LAST QUESTION I HAVE JUST BASED ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION WE'VE HEARD TODAY AND SOMETHING I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SIMILARLY, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR, YOU KNOW, IT PREDATES MANY OF US ON THIS COUNCIL.

AND SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, OBVIOUSLY HEARING ABOUT THE FIRE RISKS AND EVERYTHING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IS IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD AND AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER FOR US TO RETURN WITH A FUTURE ITEM THAT COULD LOOK AT OTHER POTENTIAL SITES CITYWIDE OR ON CITY PROPERTY FOR OPTIONS.

I'M JUST TRYING TO BRAINSTORM OUT LOUD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS A PATHWAY FORWARD, BECAUSE CLEARLY OUR COUNCIL DOES CARE ABOUT WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND SO WE JUST I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT THAT MIDDLE GROUND OR THAT BALANCE OF HOW DO WE MOVE THIS ALONG, BUT IN A WAY THAT WOULDN'T OBVIOUSLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT OTHER RESIDENTS.

COUNCIL IF I COULD RESPOND TO THE LAST, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD VERY EASILY DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN AT A FUTURE MEETING FOR A CONVERSATION ABOUT LOOKING AT THE FEASIBILITY OF OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE CITY FOR ADDITIONAL SOLAR AND OR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

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WE CAN ONLY REALLY SPEAK TO PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS.

HOWEVER IF THERE ARE OTHER SITES THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION THAT ARE NOT CITY OWNED, PERHAPS WE CAN SPEND TIME LOOKING AT THAT.

IT'S A RESOURCE ISSUE, AND IF WE'RE GIVEN THAT DIRECTION, WE'LL CERTAINLY WILL BRING AN ITEM FORWARD SO WE CAN FLUSH THAT OUT WITH ALL OF YOU. OKAY, I MAY HAVE MORE AFTER I HEAR IF THE MAYOR HAS QUESTIONS, I MIGHT HAVE MORE, BUT FOR NOW, THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. I DON'T UNDERSTAND A LOT ABOUT HOW SOLAR WORKS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE BATTERY STORAGE. IS THERE A WAY TO FEED THE ELECTRICITY BACK DIRECTLY BACK INTO THE GRID AND BYPASS BATTERIES? AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THE SOLAR EXPERTS. AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD FROM THE VERY KIND OF INCEPTION OF TAKING THIS ON IS THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION PROJECT WITHOUT A BATTERY STORAGE. GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOLAR AND THE LARGE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY THAT IS BEING GENERATED, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE WHOLE REGION. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF AN OVER CONGESTION ON THE GRID.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

BUT OUR STARTING POINT WAS THAT IT A SOLAR ENERGY GENERATION PROJECT ALSO HAD TO HAVE A BATTERY STORAGE COMPONENT.

OKAY. I'LL START WITH THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU TO SIERRA CLUB AND ALL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS WHO KEEP LOOKING FOR IDEAS AND WAYS TO TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UNFORTUNATELY, TONIGHT I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS PARTICULAR IDEA.

BUT I CAN NAME HALF OF YOU, YOU'VE ALL TAKEN TIME TO MEET WITH ME, TALK TO ME, EDUCATE ME.

AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE US SPEND THAT MONEY THAT'S EARMARKED FOR A STUDY ON ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING DONE, WHETHER IT BE A MICROGRID AT THE SAFETY CENTER OR WHETHER IT BE MORE CANOPIES, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO WITHOUT HAVING A LOT OF PUSHBACK OR A LOT OF CONTROVERSY. I DID TALK WITH THE ESCONDIDO MAYOR, MAYOR WHITE, ABOUT THEIR ISSUE THAT THEY HAD, AND HE KIND OF SUMMED IT ALL UP. IT WAS SAFE.

THEY TOLD HIM IT WAS SAFE OR THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE IT. AND LOOK AT THE DISASTER THAT THEY HAD WITH THEIR BATTERY FIRE.

SO THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR FROM HIM. AND THEN WE HIRE THE BEST OF THE BEST WHEN WE HAVE A POLICE CHIEF AND A FIRE CHIEF.

AND WHEN THE CHIEF SAID HE'S NEVER SAID NO TO A PROJECT.

I'VE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME HE'S BEEN THE CHIEF, AND I DON'T REMEMBER HIM SAYING NO TO ANY PROJECTS.

SO THAT HOLDS A LOT OF, CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT WITH ME.

MY CONCERN WITH OUR COMMUNITY IS QUALITY OF LIFE AND SAFETY.

AND THIS JUST BRINGS UP A SAFETY CONCERN AFTER LISTENING TO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS, WHETHER IT BE MICROGRIDS OR CANOPIES OR SOMETHING.

SPEND THAT ONE, THAT MILLION DOLLARS ON SOMETHING WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE AND TOUCH RATHER THAN JUST STUDIES.

MISS BHAT-PATEL? SURE. THANK YOU. MAYOR, I THINK I MAY BE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION AS YOU WHERE IT'S YOU KNOW, HEARING ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY RISKS.

THAT'S WHERE I HAVE SOME PAUSE. WITH REGARDS TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION.

YOU HEARD MY QUESTION AROUND IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE CAN RETURN WITH A FUTURE ITEM THAT COULD LOOK AT OTHER POTENTIAL SITES, I DO, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR IF THAT'S SOMETHING SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE INTERESTED IN.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT.

I THINK FOR NOW, THOUGH, WITH THIS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE ACTION FOR TONIGHT YEAH, I MEAN, IT IT IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON, AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT SITE FOR THIS, BUT AGAIN, WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS COME BACK SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT.

AND OF COURSE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT WE'RE BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS TO OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL, BECAUSE, YES, WE'RE ELECTED BY THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, BUT WE'RE ALL NORTH COUNTY RESIDENTS, AND WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITIES OF VISTA AND OCEANSIDE AS WELL.

AND HEARING THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD I JUST WOULDN'T FEEL RIGHT JUST DOING IT WITHOUT YOU KNOW, THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN, OF COURSE, OUR FIRE CHIEF'S PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

AND IF I HEAR APPETITE FOR US POTENTIALLY AT SOME POINT COMING BACK WITH SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK AT OTHER POTENTIAL SITES I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION AT THAT TIME.

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MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU AND THANKS AGAIN TO ALL THE SPEAKERS AND TO OUR STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO THIS.

I HAVE BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER OF CLEAN ENERGY AND RENEWABLE ENERGIES, AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND THESE PROJECTS.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, INCLUDING THE ORION SAFETY CENTER.

I'M SO DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THE FIRE CHIEF'S NO ON THIS BECAUSE THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME.

AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE COULD FIGURE OUT THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT THE CONSULTANTS DO. THEY'RE EXPERTS, AND THEY WOULD FIND OUT, OKAY, HOW CAN WE HAVE A SETBACK AND DO THIS WITH THE TYPE OF BATTERIES THAT WOULD NOT BE SO DANGEROUS? AND I THINK WE COULD GET A LOT OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED, BUT THE LOCATION IS THE HARD ONE ON THIS ONE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT TONIGHT.

AND I'M IT BREAKS MY HEART BECAUSE I REALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A SOLUTION.

IT'S A BIG SITE, IT'S UNDERUTILIZED, AND I THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT.

SO I, I REALLY WAS HOPING THAT MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION SO I COULD SECOND IT.

MAYBE SHE WILL. I CAN MAKE THAT MOTION. SO IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO COME BACK.

AND SO DIRECTING STAFF TO RETURN TO A FUTURE MEETING TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITH REGARDS TO YOU KNOW, WHAT I SAY, WOULD IT BE SITES FOR A SOLAR PROJECT, OR WOULD YOU WANT ME TO JUST KEEP IT OPEN? VAGUE MIGHT BE BETTER OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL SOLAR OPPORTUNITIES THAT ET-CETERA.

YEAH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MOVED.

SECOND. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYBODY.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WORKING ON IT. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. THAT'S WHY I SECONDED THE MOTION. HOPEFULLY THAT THAT MOTION WILL PASS.

BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK. AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED.

I'M SORRY THAT THIS ONE'S NOT GOING TO WORK OUT.

THANKS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE CONVERSATION, OR DO YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE ON IT NOW? I'M SORRY. YEAH, I'M JUST ASKING IF THEY WANT CONVERSATION ON THIS RECOMMENDATION.

NO. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE TO DO THAT FIRST. YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT SUBSTITUTE MOTION SO WE COULD DO IT ALL TOGETHER. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME IN LINE, I APPRECIATE IT. MISS BURKHOLDER.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT TO SPEAK. OCEAN HILLS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES. I KNOW MANY RESIDENTS THERE, AND THEY'RE DELIGHTFUL PEOPLE. IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME IN ABOUT AN HOUR, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS FAST BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER WORK TO DO.

I JUST THINK A CONSULTANT THAT WORKS PROFESSIONALLY IN THE SOLAR INDUSTRY CANNOT POSSIBLY BE UNBIASED IN PRESENTING A STORY FOR US, SO THAT WAS COMICAL TO ME. I ALSO AGREE WITH THE CHIEF THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT, BUT IN THE WRONG PLACE.

SO TONIGHT I'M GOING TO CHOOSE TO BE A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, A HEALTH AND SAFETY ADVOCATE AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR, AS SOME OF YOU HAD MENTIONED. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT OPTION TWO.

THANKS, MR. SHIN. YEAH. IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT.

I DID 20 YEARS OF THIS AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE FIRSTHAND, THERE WAS A MILLION THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY AUTOMATICALLY CO-ALIGNED WITH THE FIRE CHIEF.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT ANY OF MY FIREFIGHTERS IN THIS POSITION TO TRY TO SUPPRESS THIS FIRE, LET ALONE IF IT WAS A WILDFIRE. AND THEN THEY HAD TO DO A DUALITY OF DEALING WITH THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE, AS WELL AS TRYING TO SUPPRESS THIS. SO THERE'S AN ASPECT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IN THE FACT THAT WE MAY BE CARLSBAD, BUT THIS LOCATION IS REALLY A LOCATION THAT TOUCHES TWO OTHER CITIES, AND WE SHOULD BE VERY, VERY ASTUTE TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT AREA.

I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY ALSO THAT IN THE LAST FIVE OR LAST TWO YEARS IN THIS STATE, WE'VE HAD FIVE SIGNIFICANT BATTERY STORAGE FIRES.

MOSS LANDING, ESCONDIDO, OTAY MESA VALLEY CENTER AND PARKFIELD IN MONTEREY.

THREE OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY. SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK IN REGARDS TO PUBLIC TRUST, WE WOULDN'T BE PROVIDING THAT JUST BY DOING THIS.

AND THEN ON TOP OF IT JUST BEING IN A RISKY LOCATION.

SODIUM ION BATTERIES. SO I'M REALLY AN ADVOCATE FOR SOLAR AND THEN HAVE BATTERIES.

AND LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS TO JUST KIND OF EDUCATE IS THAT WE WE RECEIVE THE SOLAR ENERGY, AND THEN THE BATTERIES ARE NEEDED SO THAT OUR PEAK HOURS ARE FROM 4 TO 9 P.M.

WE CAN START USING THAT ENERGY AS WELL INSTEAD OF IT JUST DISSIPATING.

SO BATTERIES ARE IMPORTANT TO THE SOLAR PROJECTS.

THIS LOCATION IS JUST WHAT'S SO DIFFICULT. AND THE DAWSON CREEK RESERVE AREA BEING COINCIDED TO IT.

SODIUM ION BATTERIES ARE MORE SAFE, BUT THEY STILL DO HAVE HYDROGEN FLUORIDE AS AN OUTPUT IF CAUGHT ON FIRE IT TO GET NERDY.

IT HAS A HIGH. IT HAS A HIGHER SPECIFIC GRAVITY THAN AIR.

MEANING WHEN THAT GETS RELEASED, IT DROPS DOWN INTO THE LOWER ELEVATIONS, WHICH ARE THE COMMUNITIES OF ALL THREE OF OUR CITIES.

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AND I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY CONFIDENTLY THAT MY FIREFIGHTERS WILL BE ABLE TO SUPPRESS THIS FIRE WITHOUT GREAT RISK.

AND PULLING A FIRE SHELTER MEANS THAT LEADERSHIP AND FIRE SERVICE SCREWED UP.

AND SO I DO NOT EVER WANT TO SEE US PUT OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.

AND THEN SECOND, I CAN'T LOOK AT THE EYES OF THREE COMMUNITIES THAT I LOVE AND WANT TO CHERISH AND TELL THEM THAT I'M PUTTING EXPOSURE INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS IN THAT WAY.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF SAID, I'M SORRY TO TAKE YOUR WORDS, BUT THIS IS AN EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY STILL.

LET'S LET CAMP PENDLETON AND POWAY FIGURE THIS OUT FOR US.

LET'S SEE WHAT THEY DO AND LET'S OBSERVE THE SAFETY AND RELIABILITY OF THESE SYSTEMS FIRST AND FOREMOST.

AND THEN LET'S COME BACK AND CONVENE THAT MAYBE THIS LOCATION COULD EVENTUALLY BE GOOD, BUT RIGHT NOW IT JUST CAN'T BE BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS STILL SO TENUOUS.

I'M AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AT HEART. I HAVE OTHER REASONS WHY FOR IT.

AND THEN I AM ALSO FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR MONIES.

AND SO HALF $1 MILLION WITH A 1.3 IN TOTAL COULD GO IN OTHER LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW, WHICH COULD INCLUDE GREEN ENERGY TECHNOLOGY ELSEWHERE. SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS.

AND I DON'T MIND MAKING THE MOTION FOR OPTION TWO.

OR ARE WE DOING A SECOND? YEAH, WE GOT TO DO THIS ONE FIRST.

OKAY, OKAY. MR. SHIN. YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION.

MAKE A MOTION FOR TWO. ITEM TWO. OKAY. YES. AND MELANIE.

OKAY. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THAT AND THEN I'LL GO.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SHIN, A SECOND BY MISS BURKHOLDER. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NOW WE HAVE A. DO I NEED TO REPEAT IT? A MINUTE MOTION, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT? NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE IT. OKAY, I WILL MOVE IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. AND I SECOND AGAIN.

OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND RECONVENE JUST MOMENTS BEFORE 7:00.

CALLING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CITY MANAGER.

[5. HOW COMMUNITY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AT WINDSOR POINTE APARTMENTS – Receive a report on City Council-directed actions related to the Windsor Pointe Affordable Housing Project. (Staff contact: Mandy Mills, Community Services, and Reid Shipley, Police) City Manager’s Recommendation: Receive the report.]

THANK YOU. ITEM FIVE IS HOW COMMUNITY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AT WINDSOR POINT APARTMENTS.

AND FOR THE PRESENTATION IS HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR MANDY MILLS AND ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF REID SHIPLEY.

GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MANDY MILLS. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES, AND I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF REED SHIPLEY.

TONIGHT WE WILL BE PRESENTING TOGETHER AN UPDATE ON THE WINDSOR POINTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO RECEIVE THE REPORT.

AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT REGARDING THE PROJECT, I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE A NUMBER OF TIMES, BUT FOR THOSE WATCHING, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE BAR AREA, VILLAGE BARRIO AREA JUST SOUTH OF CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE AND WEST OF INTERSTATE FIVE, LOCATED ON TWO NON-CONTIGUOUS SITES.

SO ONE IS ON OAK JUST EAST OF HARDING STREET, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS ON HARDING JUST SOUTH OF CHESTNUT.

THERE ARE 24 UNITS AT THE OAK AVENUE LOCATION AND 26 UNITS AT THE HARDING STREET LOCATION THE CITY OF CARLSBAD PROVIDED FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP DEVELOP THE PROJECT, AND THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETE AND OPERATIONAL IN SPRING OF 2022.

A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND WINDSOR POINTE ARE APARTMENTS.

HALF OF THE UNITS OFFER SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND HAVE A SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS.

THE THESE UNITS ARE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, SO THEY ARE INDEPENDENT LIVING.

THEY ARE APARTMENTS. THIS IS NOT A HOMELESS SHELTER OR AN INSTITUTION.

THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THE CITY TAKES THESE CONCERNS VERY SERIOUSLY AND HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.

THE CITY COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED A NUMBER OF ACTIONS BE TAKEN, AND CITY STAFF PRESENTED UPDATES TO THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY COUNCIL AT A NUMBER OF PUBLIC MEETINGS. A FULL LIST OF ACTIONS TAKEN TO DATE IS PROVIDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AS AN EXHIBIT, BUT THIS TIMELINE GIVES A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE MAJOR MILESTONES COMPLETED OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

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SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. SINCE THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED.

ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, THE SALARY ENTERPRISE ENTERPRISES BECAME THE PROJECT'S NEW PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AGENT IN LATE NOVEMBER.

AFFIRMED HOUSING AND SOLARI DEVELOPED AN UPDATED MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT INCLUDED TERMS THAT ADDRESS THE PRIORITIES EXPRESSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

WITH CONSULTATION FROM AFFIRMED HOUSING, SOLARI DID HIRE A SECOND ONSITE COMMUNITY MANAGER, WHO WORKS TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY TO PROVIDE MORE ON SITE COVERAGE.

SO SINCE THEIR SCHEDULES ARE STAGGERED TO PROVIDE MORE COVERAGE, MORE COVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, THAT MEANS THERE IS A COMMUNITY MANAGER WORKING SIX DAYS A WEEK.

SO THERE'S ONE COMMUNITY MANAGER AT EACH SITE FOR, SO COVERS AT TWO LOCATIONS FOR FOUR DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK. AND THEN THERE'S ONE COMMUNITY MANAGER FOR TWO DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK.

SO SIX DAYS OF THE WEEK IS COVERED. AND ANOTHER AREA OF FOCUS IS TO INCREASE THE PROJECT'S ABILITY TO SERVE MORE VETERANS. THE PROJECT WAS AWARDED SIX PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS THROUGH THE HUD'S SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROGRAM FOR VETERANS.

THIS IS KNOWN AS THE VASH PROGRAM, AND THIS IS ADMINISTERED BY THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.

THE PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS ARE RESERVED FOR VETERAN HOUSEHOLDS REFERRED BY THE VETERANS AFFAIRS OFFICE, AND THE VOUCHERS ARE UTILIZED, GOING TO BE UTILIZED THROUGH ATTRITION AS CURRENT NO PLACE LIKE HOME UNITS ARE VACATED.

SO WE HAVE TWO, TWO UNITS THAT SHOULD BE COMING VACANT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO THOSE FIRST TWO VASH RESIDENTS WILL BE MOVING IN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

ENGAGEMENT WITH REGULAR CASE MANAGEMENT IS REQUIRED.

AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY SIX HOUSEHOLDS WITH A VETERAN STATUS.

AND AS I MENTIONED, THESE TWO NEW VASH RESIDENTS WILL BE MOVING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO ASSISTANT CHIEF SHIPLEY TO GO OVER MORE INFORMATION.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR. SINCE ITS INCEPTION OUR COMMUNITY HAS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO SAFETY RESOURCES AS WELL AS SPECIFICALLY THE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AT THIS LOCATION.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO FRAME FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT CALLS FOR SERVICE IS A BROAD TERM.

IT INCLUDES BOTH HIGH LEVEL EMERGENCY CALLS AS WELL AS MEDICAL AIDS, EVEN LOW LEVEL FOLLOW UPS OR POTENTIALLY PR CONTACTS, 911 CALLS, MISSED DIALS, OR EVEN IF AN OFFICER IS TO CONDUCT AN EXTRA PATROL OR TO MAKE A STOP IN THE LOCATION THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED AS A CALL FOR SERVICE.

IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, WE'VE TRIED TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH OUR COLLECTION OF THIS DATA THROUGHOUT OUR LAST SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS TO COUNCIL.

SO AN EXAMPLE OF A CALL SERVICE COULD BE A SINGLE OFFICER CONDUCTING A PR CONTACT, OR A MULTIPLE OFFICER RESPONSE TO THE LOCATION THAT REQUIRES BOTH POLICE AND FIRE RESOURCES. ONE CASE NUMBER AND CALL FOR SERVICE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD DURING THIS INVOLVED A TRAFFIC COLLISION THAT WAS OUT FRONT AND HAD NO NEXUS AT ALL TO WINDSOR POINTE.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOK AT CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA OVER OUR LAST SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS, INCLUDING THIS ONE, THE OVERALL NEED FOR POLICE RESOURCES HAS CONTINUED TO DECREASE.

THE INTERVENTIONS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL HAVE SERVED PROVIDE REDUCTION IN BOTH OUR NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, AS WELL AS THE NATURE OF OUR CALLS AT BOTH LOCATIONS.

WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN BOTH OF THOSE AREAS.

THE SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES ARE SOME OF THOSE INTERVENTIONS HAVE BEEN DIVERTING NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATED CALLS TO OTHER COUNTY, CITY OR WINDSOR POINTE SPECIFIC RESOURCES, AS WELL AS TO ENSURE THAT ONSITE STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO HANDLE THINGS, INCLUDING SECURITY, ON SITE SECURITY, WHICH WILL PROVIDE INTERVENTION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO RESPOND IN MANY INSTANCES. THE OBJECTIVE OF THAT IS NOT TO DISCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS FROM CONTACTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY WHEN THEY ARE EXPERIENCING THE NEED FOR POLICE SERVICES.

AND IN FACT, DURING OUR CURRENT REPORTING TIME FRAME OF THE LAST SIX MONTHS, SITE STAFF OR SECURITY ACTUALLY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR 14 OF OUR CALLS.

SO THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR INVESTMENT IN CALLING US WHEN NEED BE.

BUT DEALING WITH THINGS WHEN WE DO NOT NEED TO RESPOND.

OUR CURRENT TIME FRAME OF FEBRUARY OF 25 THROUGH JULY SAW A REPORTING CYCLE OF 87 GENERATOR CALLS FOR SERVICE AT THE LOCATION.

TO PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT, WE HAD ALMOST 55,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT DURING THAT SIX MONTHS.

AND CALLS TO WINDSOR POINTE REPRESENTED ZERO POINT, A LITTLE OVER 0.1% OF CREATED INCIDENTS IN THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD.

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LOOKING AT THE LAST SEVERAL REPORTS, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO CAPTURE KIND OF A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE CHANGE IN DATA OVER THE LAST, IN THIS CASE, ALMOST 18 MONTHS IN FROM OUR MARCH 24TH TO JULY 24TH TIME PERIOD, WHICH WAS OUR FIRST SUBSTANTIVE REPORT THAT CONTAINED THIS DATA.

WE HAD 190 CALLS DURING THOSE DURING THOSE FIVE MONTHS, WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT 38 CALLS FOR SERVICE PER MONTH.

AS OUR LAST REPORT, WE HAD 175 CALLS IN SIX MONTHS, WHICH EQUATED TO ABOUT 29 CALLS.

AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, FOR THIS REPORTING CYCLE, WE HAD 87 CALLS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WHICH IS LESS THAN 15 CALLS A MONTH. THAT REPRESENTS AN OVERALL DECREASE OF 62% OF CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE DEPARTMENT, AND IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN THE OVERALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE LOCATION.

OF ALL OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE ONLY 3% RESULTED IN ARREST.

THAT'S TWO ARRESTS OUT OF THE TOTALITY OF THIS DATA, BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO DEAL WITH SMALLER NUMBERS NOW. THOSE TWO ARRESTS WERE BOTH FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INCIDENTS, WHICH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS SOMETHING THAT IS UBIQUITOUS ACROSS ALL AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY UNFORTUNATELY AND IS A MARKED IMPROVEMENT TO SOME OF THE OTHER ARRESTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST. OF COURSE ULTIMATELY, COUNCIL DIRECTED CHANGES OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS HAVE BROUGHT WINDSOR POINTE PROPERTIES MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH OUR OTHER MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES WITHIN THE CITY IN BOTH TERMS OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE VOLUME, AS WELL AS THE NATURE OF OFFENSES THAT WE ARE RESPONDING TO.

AND WITH THAT, UNLESS MISS MILLS HAS ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? MARY LUCID, I BELIEVE SHE'S LEFT.

OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. MISS BURKHOLDER.

THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ORDEAL FOR SO LONG.

I WAS SO PLEASED TO SEE THIS REPORT. WITH THE LOWERING CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THE FEWER COMPLAINTS THAT I'M RECEIVING FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES AND WORKS AROUND WINDSOR POINTE, AND THERE IS STILL WORK TO BE DONE.

BUT I'M PLEASED WITH THIS REPORT. I DO HAVE THREE QUESTIONS THAT CAME FROM A CONSTITUENT RELATIVE TO THE REPORT TONIGHT.

BECAUSE IT WASN'T INFORMATION IN THE REPORT. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU DON'T, BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET THIS UNTIL LATER. ARE ANY APARTMENTS BEING HELD TEMPORARILY EMPTY BECAUSE THEIR TENANTS ARE CURRENTLY INCARCERATED? WE DON'T COLLECT INFORMATION ON WHY A UNIT MIGHT BE VACANT.

SO WE DON'T KNOW THE NATURE OF THAT. PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO VACATE THEIR UNIT FOR PERIODS OF TIME IF THEY ARE UNABLE SAY, THEY'RE IN THE HOSPITAL OR IN SOME TYPE OF A TREATMENT CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE CAN BE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION TO ALLOW FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ABSENCE.

BUT BEYOND THAT, WE DON'T REPORT ON WHY FOLKS ARE OUT OF THEIR UNIT.

AND THEN HOW MANY TENANTS ARE ACTUALLY FROM CARLSBAD, NOT JUST WORKING IN CARLSBAD.

WE DON'T SEPARATE OUT THE TWO. SO THE PRIORITY IS LIVE WORK YOU KNOW, PREFERENCE, AFFILIATION.

SO THAT'S NINE OUT OF THE OF ALL THE UNITS, IT'S NINE UNITS THAT.

WHAT? THAT HAVE A CARLSBAD AFFILIATION. OKAY, SO IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE THE PERSON THAT LIVES IN THERE THAT HAS AN AFFILIATION WITH CARLSBAD. IT CAN JUST BE AN AUNT OR AN UNCLE OR NIECE OR NEPHEW OF SOMEONE.

IT'S LIVE OR WORK AFFILIATION. SO WHEN THEY APPLIED, THEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE TOP OF THE WAITING LIST BECAUSE OF THAT LIKE PREFERENCE.

THAT'S ALMOST MY NEXT QUESTION. IT WAS WHAT PROCESS OF IF A IF A MENTALLY ILL CARLSBAD RESIDENT IS, I LITERALLY JUST HAD THIS INCIDENT. IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE HAVING TO VACATE THEIR CURRENT RESIDENCE, DO THEY GO AT TOP OF THE LIST IF THEY'RE REQUESTING TO GO INTO WINDSOR POINTE BECAUSE THEY ARE A CARLSBAD RESIDENT, OR HOW DOES THAT LIST WORK? OKAY, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS THERE.

THERE ARE THE GENERAL LOW INCOME UNITS, AND THEN THERE ARE THE FOLKS THAT I'M SORRY, THE UNITS RESERVED FOR NO PLACE LIKE HOME UNITS.

RIGHT. SO THE NO PLACE LIKE HOME UNITS, WHICH HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A PRIORITY FOR OR NOT A PRIORITY, I'M SORRY, A REQUIREMENT FOR FOLKS WITH SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS.

THOSE UNITS ARE FILLED THROUGH THE COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM, WHICH IS A REGIONAL PRIORITIZATION.

THE OTHER UNITS, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF A MENTAL ILLNESS TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE.

THOSE DO OFFER A CARLSBAD PREFERENCE FOR LIVE OR WORK, AS WELL AS VETERAN PREFERENCE TOO.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU. WHERE ON THAT LIST THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, WHERE WOULD THIS PERSON GO AT THE BOTTOM, OR WOULD THEY GO AT THE TOP BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY LIVE HERE IN CARLSBAD, THEN THEY WOULD BE AMONG THE TOP.

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IF THERE ARE EXISTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT SAME SITUATION, THEY WOULD BE ABOVE THEM BASED ON TIME AND DATE OF APPLICATION.

I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE MCRT, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE UTILIZING THAT WHICH I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES TRYING TO GET THEM TO RESPOND SO DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND FOR THIS REPORT THAT THEY'VE BEEN OUT? NO. SO UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THAT MCRT WORKS BECAUSE THEY'RE THAT SOCIAL WORK TYPE ENVIRONMENT THAT DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

THEY WON'T PROVIDE US WITH A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF RESPONSES.

THEY'RE ALSO NOT REQUIRED TO NOTIFY US. THEY DO NOTIFY US OCCASIONALLY IF THEY'RE COMING OUT.

USUALLY THAT'S IN RESPONSE TO SAY, LIKE A REFERRAL THAT WE'VE DONE.

INCREASINGLY, THE REFERRALS HAVEN'T BEEN HAVING TO COME FROM US BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE GETTING RESOLVED BEFORE WITH THE MANAGEMENT. AND THE SECURITY STUFF IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE ASKED. EXACTLY, YES. SO WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A WHOLE LOT OF NOTIFICATIONS THAT THEY'RE COMING.

AND SO I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T PROVIDE, THE COUNTY DOESN'T PROVIDE THE DATA TO US.

YEAH. AND THEY DON'T NOTIFY US WHEN WE COME IN COUNTY.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. PROBABLY JUST COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MISS ACOSTA. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT AND GREAT NEWS. VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENT IN THE LOWER CALL TIME, THE LOWER CALLS AND THE IMPROVED CONDITIONS. THE FIRST QUESTION IS A FOLLOW UP TO ONE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER ASKED ABOUT THE AFFILIATION OF CARLSBAD. SHE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT AN UNCLE OR SOME OTHER RELATIVE.

BUT IT'S THE RESIDENT, RIGHT? JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE APPLICANT HAS TO LIVE OR WORK.

THAT'S CORRECT. HAVE LIVED OR WORKED IN CARLSBAD? OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP OR OUR CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH AFFIRM AND SOLARI, LIKE, DO WE CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS? REMEMBER WHEN WE USED TO HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THINGS WERE WERE REALLY TOUGH AND I WAS JUST KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT HOW THOSE MEETINGS ARE, ARE THAT WHETHER WE'RE STILL HAVING THEM PRETTY REGULARLY? YEAH. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO WE DO HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING THAT INCLUDES POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES, AFFIRMED, SOLARI, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO HOUSING DEPARTMENT, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S IT.

AND THEN AND THEN THE SECURITY MEETING. SO SOMEBODY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MEETS WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT STAFF BIWEEKLY.

GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MISS BHAT-PATEL. ANY.

ECOMMENTS. MR. SHIN. JUST QUICKLY THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THANK YOU FOR FINDING THE REMEDIES FOR THE SITUATION THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THIS LOCATION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE PREFERENCE OF VETERANS AND SUPPORTING OUR, MY FELLOW VETERANS. AND THEN JUST LAST BUT NOT LEAST, JUST, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO CAN BE VERY THANKLESS AT TIMES.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF TOUGH LOVE GIVEN BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LOVE WHAT YOU GUYS DO, AND IT'S LIKE PURE HEART WHAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF ARE DOING.

MANDY. SO I JUST I BRAG ABOUT YOU GUYS OFTEN, AND I KNOW THAT IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE SEEN, BUT JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT I JUST REALLY DO VALUE WHO YOU GUYS ARE AND WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS ABOUT.

THANK YOU, MISS BURKHOLDER. THANK YOU. YEAH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ARE STILL PENDING, OBVIOUSLY ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO SECURE MORE FUNDING FOR SECURITY.

I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD APPRECIATE IF THEY HAD ON SITE SECURITY STILL.

AND ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE HAVING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALLS THERE, THAT DOESN'T SEEM VERY SAFE.

AND THEN THE PIECE ABOUT THE I NEVER REMEMBER THIS, THE CONTINUUM OF CARE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT COORDINATED ENTRY SO THAT WE CAN BE VERY INTENTIONAL ON SETTING THESE FOLKS UP FOR SUCCESS WHEN THEY'RE PLACED IN WINDSOR POINTE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS TO ME.

AND I KNOW THAT IS YOU KNOW, MOSTLY ON THE COUNTY TO SORT OF WORK WITH US ON THAT.

SO I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN WITH THAT.

SO AM I. I JUST NOBODY PICKS UP THE PHONE WHEN I CALL.

SO SO THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY. ANYTHING ELSE.

MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS GREAT REPORT.

GREAT NEWS. I LOVE THE 62% DECREASE IN CALLS.

I ALSO NOTICED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT EXHIBIT ONE HAS NOT ONLY THE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN, BUT THE STATUS THAT IT'S GOT GREEN, YELLOW OR OR ORANGE KIND OF CIRCLES NEXT TO IT.

AND IT'S THINGS WE'RE STILL WORKING ON. SO IT'S NOT DONE.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THINGS. YOU'RE HAVING THESE REGULAR MEETINGS THAT YOU WERE SHARING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTIES AND STAKEHOLDERS AT THE TABLE. SO THANK YOU FOR THE CONTINUED WORK AND FOCUS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

THANKS. MISS BHAT-PATEL. YES, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND JUST WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED SO FAR WITH

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REGARDS TO JUST IT SEEMS LIKE THERE HAS BEEN AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT IN QUALITY OF LIFE IN AND AROUND THAT AREA, AND I THINK DEFINITELY. I'VE ALSO SEEN LESS EMAILS COMING THROUGH.

I KNOW, I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED THEM WHEN, WHEN WE GET THEM.

AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN GOING WELL WITH REGARDS TO THE PARTNERSHIP AND OBVIOUSLY THE COLLABORATION THAT WE ALSO HAVE WITH OUR MANY PARTNERS.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND I'M SURE YOU ALL KEEP US APPRIZED IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO JUST THANK YOU AGAIN. THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID IT.

WELL. I WILL THANK YOU. IT WAS ONE OF THE TOP COMPLAINTS WE GOT, AND I COULD HONESTLY SAY IT'S BEEN OVER A MONTH BEFORE I'VE EVEN SINCE I'VE EVEN EVEN HEARD THE WORD SO IT'S GREAT. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS AN INFORMATION ONLY, SO THANK YOU GUYS.

MAYOR, CAN I ASK A SUGGESTION OF THE FACT THAT MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THESE UPDATES ANYMORE AND JUST RECEIVE THEM AS A REPORT? OH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY, GREAT. DONE.

LAST ITEM OF THE NIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SIX, CITY MANAGER.

[6. UPDATE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT’S ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS ON UNLAWFUL CAMPING IN VEHICLES, OVERSIZED VEHICLES AND OTHER PARKING VIOLATIONS – Receive an update on the Police Department’s enforcement efforts on unlawful camping in vehicles, oversized vehicles and other illegal parking violations. (Staff contact: Shaun Lawton and Jason Arnotti, Police) City Manager’s Recommendation: Receive the update.]

THANK YOU. ITEM SIX IS AN UPDATE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS ON UNLAWFUL CAMPING AND VEHICLES, OVERSIZE VEHICLES AND OTHER PARKING VIOLATIONS.

AND FOR THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE POLICE LIEUTENANT SHAUN LAWTON AND POLICE LIEUTENANT JASON ARNOTTI.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M SHAUN LAWTON AND I OVERSEE OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM.

AND I'M HERE WITH MY PARTNER, LIEUTENANT JASON ARNOTT FROM THE TRAFFIC DIVISION.

AND WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CAMPING AND VEHICLE ORDINANCE, RECENTLY ADDED TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE TO INCLUDE EDUCATION, OUTREACH, AND ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

SUMMARIZE CITYWIDE ENFORCEMENT OF PARKING CITATIONS.

YEAR TO DATE, AS WELL AS OUTLINE FUTURE STRATEGIES.

THIS PRESENTATION COVERS ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE CITY OF CARLSBAD CONTINUES TO EXPERIENCE CHALLENGES WITH CITIZEN COMPLAINTS RELATED TO OVERSIZE VEHICLES, UNLAWFUL CAMPING IN VEHICLES, AND OTHER ILLEGAL PARKING VIOLATIONS THAT IMPACT QUALITY OF LIFE AND COMMUNITY SAFETY FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.

IN MARCH OF 25, CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDMENTS NUMBER 6487, AMENDING CHAPTER 8.36 RELATED TO ILLEGAL CAMPING IN VEHICLES. THIS ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED TO ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY.

ACCESS TO PUBLIC SPACES AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS, WHILE OFFERING COMPASSIONATE SUPPORT TO INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN VEHICLES.

INITIAL FOCUS PRIORITIZED EDUCATION, OUTREACH, AND VERBAL AND WRITTEN WARNINGS WERE ISSUED ALONG WITH ATTEMPT TO CONNECT TO SERVICES, AND THIS ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT ON APRIL 18TH OF 25 WITH A 30 DAY WARNING PERIOD PRIOR TO ENFORCEMENT.

ALTHOUGH CITATIONS WEREN'T ISSUED UNTIL MID JUNE.

SINCE THE ORDINANCE TOOK EFFECT, WE'VE PRIORITIZED EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.

THE PRIMARY GOAL IS TO CONNECT INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, WHILE BALANCING ENFORCEMENT OF MUNICIPAL CODES AND MAINTAINING COMMUNITY SAFETY.

OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM TRIES TO APPROACH HOMELESSNESS WITH COMPASSION, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND PROBLEM SOLVING RATHER THAN SOLELY ENFORCEMENT.

OFFICERS HAVE ISSUED VERBAL AND WRITTEN WARNINGS BEFORE CITATIONS, ENCOURAGING INDIVIDUALS TO COMPLY WITHOUT IMMEDIATE PENALTIES, AS WELL AS REFER THEM TO RESOURCES SUCH AS OUR HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES AND OTHER SUPPORT SERVICES, AND INDIVIDUALS CONTACTED IN VEHICLES ARE REFERRED TO SOCIAL WORKERS SHELTERS, CASE MANAGEMENT AND HOUSING SUPPORT.

OUR ACTIONS ARE DRIVEN BY CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AS WELL AS PROACTIVE PATROLLING.

TO DATE, THIS HAS CONSISTED OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM, OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES. WHEN CONTACTING A SUBJECT SLEEPING IN A VEHICLE, AN OFFER OF SHELTER IS MADE BEFORE ENFORCEMENT AND CITATION, AS THE OVERARCHING GOAL IS NOT PUNISHMENT BUT CONNECTION TO RESOURCES AND SERVICES, AND ULTIMATELY HOUSING.

AND SINCE THE APPROVAL OF THIS MUNICIPAL CODE BY COUNCIL, WE'VE ISSUED 40 CITATIONS, 32 WARNINGS, 13 VEHICLE TOWS AND FIVE ARRESTS. THE FIVE ARRESTS WERE A RESULT OF CONTACTING SOMEONE IN A VEHICLE, AND THEY MAY HAVE ENDED UP WITH US HAVING A WARRANT FOR THEIR ARREST OR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA OR SOME OTHER REASON THAT THEY WERE ARRESTED.

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SO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IS A CITATION FOR CAMPING, AND A VEHICLE NEEDS TO BE ISSUED TO AN INDIVIDUAL.

IT CAN'T BE ISSUED TO A VEHICLE. SO BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED THAT THEY BE ISSUED TO THE INDIVIDUAL, THE OFFICERS OFTEN ARRIVE TO FIND EITHER THE VEHICLE UNOCCUPIED OR SOMEONE INSIDE THAT WON'T ANSWER THE DOOR.

THAT MAKES ENFORCEMENT OR OUTREACH DIFFICULT, AND THERE'S NO LEGAL RECOURSE FOR US TO FORCE AN INDIVIDUAL TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE OFFICER AGAINST THEIR WILL. SO SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THE OFFICER ARE OTHER MUNICIPAL CODES PARKING CITATIONS, VEHICLE AND OTHER PENAL CODES, AS WELL AS 72 HOUR PARKING NOTICES.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY PARTNER, JASON ARNOTTI.

THANK YOU. THIS PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION BROADENS OUR DISCUSSION AND PROVIDES A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF OUR CITYWIDE PARKING ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT STRATEGY USES A LAYERED APPROACH INVOLVING POLICE OFFICERS COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS AND OUR SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL.

THE PRIMARY GOAL FOCUSES ON VIOLATIONS THAT IMPACT SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

FROM JANUARY 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 1ST, THESE TEAMS ISSUED MORE THAN 7000 CITATIONS AND WARNINGS.

THESE EFFORTS ADDRESS VIOLATIONS SUCH AS BLOCKED CROSSWALKS, VEHICLES AND BIKE LANES, AND VISIBILITY HAZARDS AT INTERSECTIONS.

THEY ALSO ADDRESSED ACCESSIBILITY CONCERNS, INCLUDING MISUSE OF DISABLED PARKING SPACES, WHILE ENSURING TURNOVER IN BUSY COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND RESPONDING TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS ABOUT ABANDONED AND OVERSIZE VEHICLES.

THIS NEXT SLIDE PROVIDES A DETAILED QUARTERLY BREAKDOWN OF VIOLATIONS THAT PROFESSIONAL STAFF HAVE ENFORCED THROUGH SEPTEMBER 1ST.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES EXTEND WELL BEYOND A SINGLE CATEGORY OF ENFORCEMENT.

THEY MANAGE STREET SWEEPING ROUTES, WHICH IS A CITYWIDE SERVICE AS WELL AS LOCALIZED DEMANDS INCLUDING TIMED PARKING AND HIGH TURNOVER AREAS.

STAFF ALSO HANDLE RECURRING CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES INVOLVING UNREGISTERED AND OVERSIZE VEHICLES.

LOOKING DEEPER INTO THE OTHER VIOLATIONS CATEGORY THAT WAS PROVIDED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE SEE HOW STAFF RESPOND TO EVERYDAY ISSUES THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT ACCESSIBILITY.

THIS INCLUDES HAZARDS SUCH AS BLOCKING BIKE LANES, FIRE HYDRANTS, OR CORNERS THAT CREATE DANGEROUS SIGHTLINE PROBLEMS. IT ALSO ADDRESSES THE IMPROPER USE OF DISABLED SPACES AND FAILURE TO PARK WITHIN DESIGNATED STALLS.

THESE DETAILS MAY SEEM MINOR INDIVIDUALLY, BUT COLLECTIVELY THEY PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE IN KEEPING TRAFFIC ORDERLY AND STREETS SAFE.

FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE EFFORTS OF OUR SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL.

THIS PROGRAM IS A TREMENDOUS FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR OUR DEPARTMENT.

BY INTEGRATING THESE DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS INTO OUR EFFORTS, WE EXPAND OUR REACH AND ENHANCE COMMUNITY PRESENCE WITHOUT DIVERTING SWORN OFFICERS FROM HIGHER PRIORITY CALLS. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THEIR SUMMARY, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THOUSANDS OF VIOLATIONS THIS YEAR ALONE.

THEIR TOP ACTIVITY ISSUING 72 HOUR PARKING VIOLATION NOTICES IS OUR SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOL FOR ADDRESSING ABANDONED VEHICLES, WHICH IS A MAJOR QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERN IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY ALSO PLAY A KEY ROLE IN HANDLING EXPIRED REGISTRATION AND HANDICAP VIOLATIONS.

THIS PROGRAM IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP THAT ENABLES US TO DELIVER AN EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE.

COLLECTIVELY, ALL OF THE DATA PRESENTED UNDERSCORES THE DEPARTMENT'S ENFORCEMENT, IS CONTINUOUS, IS A CONTINUOUS EFFORT ADDRESSING A WIDE SPECTRUM OF VIOLATIONS THAT AFFECT ALL RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS. MOVING FORWARD, STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON VIOLATIONS THAT IMPACT SAFETY, MOBILITY AND CURBSIDE ACCESS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR HIGH DEMAND ZONES.

WE WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO MONITOR ENFORCEMENT TRENDS THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR TO ENSURE RESOURCES ARE DEPLOYED EFFECTIVELY.

AND LASTLY, SOLVING COMPLEX PARKING CHALLENGES ISN'T JUST ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT MAY INVOLVE ENGINEERING IMPROVEMENTS.

IN ADDITION TO OUR TARGETED ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION ON PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? WE DO. CHRISTINA LUCKETT, FOLLOWED BY SONNY BLANDE.

EVERYBODY. IS THIS THING ON? OH THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT THE CITY REALLY WORKS.

HARD TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S SAFE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

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I UNFORTUNATELY AM SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN THEIR VEHICLE CURRENTLY AND I STILL CARE ABOUT THE CITY DEEPLY.

AND I'VE LIVED HERE AND I'VE I'VE OFFERED A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

I REMOVE GRAFFITI FROM LOCAL LANDMARKS IN THE CITY, AND I STILL CONTINUE TO DO IT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A LOT OF TATTOOS, IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT OTHER PEOPLE MESS WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THEIRS.

THEIR PROPERTY DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM. BUT THE WHOLE THING THAT I REALLY JUST WANTED TO GET ACROSS IS I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A BIG PART MISSING TO THIS ENTIRE EQUATION, WHICH IS THE HOUSING FIRST.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE ERF THREE R GRANT FUND.

THE FUND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES.

IT'S BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS, ALL THAT. SO THAT ENTAILS THE HOUSING FIRST MANDATE, AND IT'S A PRIORITIZED LAW THAT STATEWIDE, EVERY CITY HAS TO ABIDE BY, EVEN IF IT'S A CHARTER CITY.

AND NOT EVERYBODY REFUSES SERVICES. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING FOR SERVICES THAT ARE GETTING PENALIZED.

STILL, I'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR SERVICES FOR A YEAR.

I GO TO SCHOOL, I WORK, I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS DEEPLY, DEEPLY, AND I SEE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT TOO. AND IT'S REALLY HURTFUL WHEN I SEE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING THAT DON'T WANT THIS AND THEY'RE GETTING PUSHED ASIDE AND NOTHING'S OFFERED TO THEM, THEY'RE NOT BEING LIKE DIFFICULT.

THEY JUST THERE'S NOTHING LITERALLY IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD LIKE THAT CAN ACTUALLY PUT SOMEONE IN SHELTER.

THEY'RE SENDING US OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, WHICH I GET IT, NO ONE WANTS TO SEE IT.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT EITHER, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO SEE PEOPLE SUFFERING, PERIOD.

YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY, VERY HARD. AND I'M SURE THERE ARE THE BAD PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY, OR ELSE YOU GUYS WOULDN'T HAVE TO ENFORCE THIS.

RIGHT? BUT I DIDN'T REALLY GET TREATED WITH DIGNITY WHEN I WAS APPROACHED BY THE OFFICER.

I LET THEM KNOW THAT I AM IN THE PROGRAMS THAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS.

I'M JUST WAITING. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S, LIKE, MAJOR HOLES IN THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM.

WHAT ABOUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY WANTING THE HELP, BUT THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY WAITING ON CUE? THEY'RE STILL GETTING PENALIZED. THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS PROMISED.

AND I JUST REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS COULD REEVALUATE THAT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, PLEASE.

BECAUSE IT'S I'VE EXPERIENCED ACTUALLY REALLY INHUMANE BEHAVIOR BY, LIKE, LEAF BLOWERS ATTACKING ME.

I'M NOT EVEN JOKING. YEAH. IT'S IT'S BEEN REALLY, REALLY DEHUMANIZING.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US REALLY WANT TO CARE FOR THE CITY, AND WE ALSO EXPECT THE SAME IN RETURN.

AND WE'RE ABIDING BY THE LAW. NOT ALL OF US ARE.

BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY CARE AND WANT TO, LIKE, GET OUT OF THIS.

LIKE, PLEASE JUST TRY TO SUPPORT US. HAVE [INAUDIBLE], GIVE US THE MOTEL VOUCHERS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS ACCORDING TO HOUSING FIRST.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MY NAME IS SUNNY AND I LIVE IN A CONDO RIGHT DOWN ACROSS FROM AGUA HEDIONDA LAGOON ON THE VERY END OF OF GARFIELD. AND WE HAVE THREE PROBLEMS IN OUR AREA THAT I CAN REALLY SEE.

ONE MAIN ONE IS THE LARGE RV PARKING, AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THEIR RVS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY NICE, BEAUTIFUL BIG CARS AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING CITED VERY MUCH.

I HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT PROBABLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT WANT TO SEE MORE THAN, MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.

BUT ANYWAY, THEY'RE THEY'RE LARGE AND THEY'RE MOVING JUST FROM ONE CORNER TO ANOTHER CORNER AND BACK.

I HAVE NEIGHBORS AND BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSEHOLDS WE PUT IN SIX DIFFERENT FORMS ONLINE FOR MORE THAN 72 HOURS FOR REALLY BIG, HUGE, YOU KNOW, RVS. AND WE SAW ONE YELLOW STICKER ON THERE.

AND FINALLY WE GOT ONE OTHER STICKER ON THERE, AND IT WAS MY, MY INFORMATION THAT THAT AFTER TWO OF THE NOTICES THAT THEY TOWED AND I'M SURE IF A COUPLE OF THESE VEHICLES WERE TOWED, THAT WOULD BE A VERY BIG TOWING BILL.

AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THESE PEOPLE MIGHT FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO PARK.

SO THAT'S ONE OF MY THINGS. WE DO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THE CARS DOWN ACROSS FROM ON RIGHT AT THE END OF GARFIELD. THE BIGGEST THING I SEE IS THAT WE DON'T SEE ANY PATROL CARS VERY OFTEN AT ALL.

I TEND TO CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE A LOT, AND WHEN YOU CALL, THEY'RE TAKING OUR ACTUAL NUMBER OR THE ACTUAL TIME.

WE HAVE A LIGHT, ON THE ON A POLE THERE THAT HAS A CAMERA ON IT THAT CAN BE SEEN.

BUT ONE PERSON FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT TOLD ME THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE.

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BUT IF IT ACTUALLY HAS A TIME STAMP ON IT, MAYBE WE COULD GET SOMETHING.

BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO THE THIRD PROBLEM IS PARTYING AND DRUGS.

AND SOMETIMES THE POLICE, THE NON-EMERGENCY POLICE COME, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.

OR MAYBE THEY COME AFTER THE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY LEFT.

AND I DON'T EXPECT ANY OF YOU TO COME LOOK AT THAT.

BUT MAYBE YOU COULD GET UP 30 MINUTES EARLY ONE DAY AND JUST GO DOWN AND LOOK AT OUR BEAUTIFUL AGUA HEDIONDA LAGOON.

THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE MORNING.

BECAUSE, MA'AM, THIS AGENDA ITEM SHOULD END VERY SOON.

WOULD YOU? THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL END VERY SOON.

YOU COULD IF YOU CAN HOLD OUT JUST A FEW MINUTES, TALK WITH ONE OF THESE LIEUTENANTS.

OKAY. I'M. I'M SORRY. I THINK SHE WAS GOING TO SHOW US THE TRASH SHE PICKED UP THIS MORNING.

IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. IS THAT WHAT? OH, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO? BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PARTYING AND DOING WHATEVER THEY WERE DOING ACROSS THE STREET.

I FINALLY WENT TO BED AT 3:00 BECAUSE I CALLED TWICE AND THEY MANAGED TO DRINK A FEW CASES OF THREE SIX PACKS [INAUDIBLE], SPREAD IT ALL OVER THE TOP OF THE [INAUDIBLE].

GOT IT. THERE ARE THREE OF US WHO GO OUT ALL THE TIME AND PICK UP TRASH.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MA'AM, SPEAK WITH ONE OF THE LIEUTENANTS.

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. SHIN. MISS BURKHOLDER, YOU CAN COMBINE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. TO SONNY'S POINT. YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. TO SONNY'S POINT. I'M SORRY I FORGOT YOUR LAST NAME.

I DIDN'T GET THAT WRITTEN DOWN. SORRY. THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM, BUT I'M LEARNING THAT THE CONSTITUENTS IN MY COMMUNITY DON'T KNOW HOW TO REPORT THESE ISSUES. SO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY? BECAUSE I'VE ADVISED PEOPLE TO USE THE APP, USE THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE REQUEST FOR CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

APPARENTLY OUR APP ISN'T WORKING RIGHT NOW FOR THAT.

BUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO REPORT THESE PARKING VIOLATIONS? YES. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY. I'VE BEEN ENCOURAGING A LOT OF FOLKS LIKE THE SPEAKER TONIGHT TO CALL OUR NON-EMERGENCY LINE.

IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO ENSURE THAT AN OFFICER WILL GET DISPATCHED TO GO OUT THERE.

IN A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND. THE OTHER METHODS THAT YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE AN ABANDONED VEHICLE HOTLINE, AND THEN WE HAVE A TRAFFIC COMPLAINT EMAIL THAT ARE ALL MONITORED AND DO GET FOLLOW UP.

THE FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE MEDIUMS IS SLOWER THAN CALLING THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE.

SO WE KIND OF WE GIVE EVERYBODY THOSE OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM.

AND THE BEST WOULD BE CALLING OUR NON-EMERGENCY LINE.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ABANDONED VEHICLE NUMBER TO CALL IS.

I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT LIKE THAT. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE. I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY, BUT I CAN PROVIDE IT. OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YEAH. THANK YOU. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT ONE BEFORE.

AND THEN TO CHRISTINA'S POINT, ARE WE AWARE OF FOLKS THAT ARE WANTING HELP THAT AREN'T MAYBE.

MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DEPARTMENT ARE ON THAT LIST, OR WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE LIKE WITH THAT? SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL TO HAVE MISS MILLS.

HI. GOOD EVENING, RANDY MILLS, DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES.

SO WE DO HAVE OBVIOUSLY MULTIPLE GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH CLIENTS ON.

SPECIFICALLY ON THERE ARE TWO ERF GRANTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

ONE IS KIND OF IN THIS VILLAGE, BARRIO AREA. AND THAT IS FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR FOLKS LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES.

AND THAT WE DID CREATE AN INITIAL BY NAME LIST.

SO WE WERE WORKING WITH THAT FIRST GROUP OF FOLKS AND THAT WAS 36 FOLKS.

AND IN THAT SPECIFIC MAP AREA, THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

AND OUT OF THOSE, WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH MOST OF THE PEOPLE STILL TO LOCATE HOUSING AND TO TO MOVE ON INTO A UNIT AND THEN THE OTHER PROGRAM IS ALONG THE THE 78 CORRIDOR THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OCEANSIDE.

SO THE FIRST AREA WAS IN OCEANSIDE, AND THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY THE FIRST ZONE.

AND SO IT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE THE BY NAME LIST FOR THAT WAS THE PEOPLE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

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AND THAT'S KIND OF THE ENCAMPMENT AREA ALONG THE CREEK BEHIND HOBBY LOBBY.

OUT OF THAT LIST, I THINK IT WAS. AND THOSE WERE NOT PEOPLE LIVING IN THE VEHICLES.

THOSE WERE GENERALLY INTENSE. AND THOSE I THINK THERE WERE 64 PEOPLE ON THAT LIST AND I THINK 60 HAVE BEEN HOUSED.

WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO THE SECOND ZONE. AND THAT KIND OF INCLUDES SO THE HOUSE GROVE AREA AND KIND OF JUST NORTH OF THE THE MALL ALONG THAT AREA. AND I THINK OUT OF THAT AREA, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE 20 TO 29 PEOPLE ON THAT LIST THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, ACTIVELY WORKING WITH PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.

SO IT'S NOT THAT JUST IF FOLKS ARE IN THIS AREA, THEY CAN CALL A NUMBER.

SO WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE OUTREACH WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN IDENTIFYING FOR A WHILE WHO HAS BEEN IN THAT AREA FOR A WHILE.

AND SO NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO THAT AREA TO SEEK SERVICES FOR OTHER PEOPLE SEEKING SERVICES.

WE DEFINITELY HAVE OTHER OUTREACH WORKERS EVERY DAY GOING OUT.

AND SO WE HAVE ESPECIALLY IN THE, IN THIS YOU KNOW, VILLAGE AREA, DOWNTOWN AREA.

WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS, OUTREACH WORKERS THERE, BUT WE DO HAVE OUTREACH WORKERS GOING CITYWIDE.

AND OF COURSE, OUR POLICE HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM CAN ALWAYS MAKE REFERRALS TO OUR SOCIAL WORKERS AS WELL.

SO THERE'S MULTIPLE PATHWAYS FOR PEOPLE TO SEEK.

WELL, AND LIKE MISS CHRISTINA SAID, SHE'S APPARENTLY ON SOME LIST AND JUST WAITING, BUT CONTINUES TO GET VIOLATIONS.

I MEAN, I KNOW THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO OR CITY OF SAN DIEGO. MAYBE IT IS THAT DOES THE BLUE CARDS FOR THE MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE APPROACHED BY THE COPS? I DON'T KNOW.

IS THERE SOME WHAT CAN THEY DO, KNOWING IF THEY'RE ON A LIST SO THAT THEY WON'T CONTINUE TO GET CITED FOR THINGS? RIGHT. SO WE HAVE JUST WORKED ON A RELEASE OF INFORMATION SO THAT FOLKS WHO ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH OUR SOCIAL WORKERS THAT WE CAN CONVEY THAT INFORMATION TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. WELL, THAT'S A FIRST STEP. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. JUST COMMENTS NOW.

THANK YOU TO THE SENIOR PATROL. THOSE NUMBERS ARE IMPRESSIVE.

I APPRECIATE WHEN I SEE THEM OUT AND ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

I WAS JUST AT HOLIDAY PARK YESTERDAY, MEETING WITH A CONSTITUENT, AND THERE WERE NO CARS PARKED ALONGSIDE THAT STREET, AS THERE HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN SEVERAL HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT SLEEP IN THEIR CARS THERE.

THE RESIDENT THAT I SPOKE WITH WAS VERY RELIEVED ABOUT THAT.

AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND THE REALLY APPRECIATE THE CREATIVE APPROACH TO POLICING THAT WE'RE DOING IN AND AROUND THIS SPACE AND TRYING TO ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE AND NOT PUSHING THEM TO ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT HELPING THEM.

LIEUTENANT ARNOTTI, I JUST NEED TO THANK YOU PERSONALLY BECAUSE YOU DEDICATE SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME ON DEALING WITH MANY CONSTITUENTS IN DISTRICT ONE, AND YOU'RE VERY PROFESSIONAL AND EXTRAORDINARILY PATIENT.

AND I APPRECIATE ALSO THAT YOU ARE A CONSISTENT POINT OF CONTACT, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GET THE HISTORY THAT WAY.

AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU KNOW THE STORY, RIGHT? AND SO YOU CAN HELP AND FOLLOW ALONG.

SO THANK YOU. CHIEF, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN AND THAT'S IT. CONSISTENCY I THINK IS KEY.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND THANKS ALSO TO MISS MILLS FOR JOINING. I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT FOLKS LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES AND, AND JUST IN GENERAL, MAYBE IF WE COULD EXPLAIN SOME OF WHAT THE HOT TEAM DOES, THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE NOT FOR MISS MILLS.

JUST, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN HOW OUR HOT TEAM WORKS JUST SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.

SO MUCH OF THIS IS EDUCATION. SURE. SO ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THE HOT TEAM IS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO ESTABLISH RELATIONSHIPS WITH FOLKS AND SEE THEM CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THE DAYS AND WEEKS.

SO THEY TEND TO BE ABLE TO KNOW PATTERNS OF BEHAVIOR, KNOW INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR STORIES MUCH MORE SO THAN JUST THE PATROL OFFICERS THAT MAY BE RESPONDING TO CALLS. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEN THEY HAVE MEETINGS WEEKLY WITH SOCIAL WORKERS AND TALK ABOUT GAME PLANS FOR DEALING WITH SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS. WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES EVERY FEW WEEKS.

SO WE HAVE A VERY COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WITH SHARING INFORMATION AND TRYING TO FILL SOME OF THOSE GAPS.

AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.

AND THIS IS A NEW MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO THE CAMPING AND VEHICLES.

SO WE'RE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THIS AB 413 DAY LIGHTING LAW.

I THINK THIS IS FOR OUR NAUGHTY BUT A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS.

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AND I SEE SOME CITATIONS FOR PARKING TOO CLOSE TO CROSSWALK WARNINGS.

IS THAT THE SAME THING? YES. SO THE THE NEW BILL THAT BECAME NEW LAW THAT BECAME EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST.

IT PROHIBITS YOU PARKING WITHIN 20 TO 15FT ON THE APPROACH SIDE OF A CROSSWALK.

COMPLICATING THIS FOR SOME DRIVERS, ASIDE FROM BEING A NEW BILL, IT APPLIES ALSO TO UNMARKED CROSSWALKS IN THERE.

SO WHEN IT TOOK EFFECT IN JANUARY THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH A WARNING PERIOD.

WE LEANED REALLY HEAVILY INTO OUR SENIOR VOLUNTEERS WITH PAMPHLETS THAT HAD DIAGRAMS, BECAUSE IT CAN BE KIND OF CONFUSING FOR SOMEONE TO JUST READ THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

AND THEN WE BEGAN ENFORCEMENT ON IT IN AROUND JUNE TIME FRAME.

SO WE GAVE KIND OF A PRETTY LONG GRACE PERIOD.

AND THEN WE CONTINUED WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO GET SOME CURBS ACTUALLY PAINTED RED TO HELP THOSE DRIVERS READILY IDENTIFY WHERE PARKING IS PROHIBITED.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR EASE OF REFERENCE, YOU TALKED ABOUT DIAGRAMS. I'D HEARD THAT IT'S PRETTY MUCH A CAR LENGTH, LIKE A CAR LENGTH AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION.

THEN YOU'RE KIND OF SAFE IF YOU'RE PARKING MORE THAN A CAR LENGTH AWAY FROM THE CROSSWALK.

YEAH, IT'S IT'S 20FT. 20FT. IS IT? AND THEN IF THE INTERSECTION IS SITUATED WITH A CROSSWALK WHERE THERE'S A BULB OUT, IT WOULD BE 15FT FROM IT. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EDUCATION, THE REALLY EMPHASIS ON EDUCATING PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND DOING THE NOTICES AS MUCH AS WE CAN. BEFORE CITING, I NOTICED THAT THE SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL, WE HAVE DEFINITELY GIVEN OUT A LOT OF NOTICES FOR THE 72 HOUR PARKING VIOLATION BEFORE GETTING THE CITATIONS. THEY GET THOSE NOTICES AND WARNINGS.

SO I'M GLAD THAT WE WE TRY TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK EVERY OPPORTUNITY, INCLUDING RIGHT NOW, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STREETS ARE SAFE AND THAT EVEN OUR BIKE LANES, THAT PEOPLE AREN'T PARKING IN BIKE LANES OR IN FRONT OF FIRE HYDRANTS.

I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED WHEN WE TOOK OUR DRIVER'S TESTS.

BUT JUST GETTING THOSE WARNINGS AND THEN THE CITATIONS IS SUPER HELPFUL.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR THE REPORT.

THIS IS A REALLY EXCELLENT REPORT. AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND FOR THE VOLUNTEERS.

MISS BHAT-PATEL. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND THANKS TO THE SPEAKERS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

YOU ALREADY ANSWERED. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT A FEW OF MY COLLEAGUES ASKED WHICH WERE AROUND.

WHAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO REPORT THIS? AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WALKED THROUGH THE PROCESS YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF IF IF SOMEBODY DOES SEE SOMEBODY, WHAT THE PROCESS IS TO REPORT IT AND WHAT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, WHO ENDS UP GOING OUT? I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHEN IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS OFFERED SHELTER AND THEY DO END UP ACCEPTING WHERE DOES THEIR VEHICLE GO IN THE MEANTIME? I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

LIKE WHERE IF THEY'RE LIVING OUT OF THEIR VEHICLE AND THEY DO, AND IF IT IS A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, FOR INSTANCE, AND IT'S NOT A YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT WOULD BE PARKED THEN.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO TEMPORARY, SOME TYPE OF A TEMPORARY SHELTER.

IT'S IF THERE'S OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S PARKING AT THE SHELTER, THEY WOULD THE VEHICLE WOULD GO WITH THEM.

IF IT'S A MOTEL SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE PARKING AT THE MOTEL FOR SAFE PARKING.

THERE IS VERY LIMITED SAFE PARKING FOR OVERSIZE VEHICLES.

SO IN, IN THE NORTH COUNTY AREA, THERE'S SAFE PARKING IN VISTA, OCEANSIDE AND ENCINITAS.

AND THEN FOR OVERSIZE VEHICLE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MISSION VALLEY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN CURIOUS WITH REGARDS TO THE DATA I KNOW YOU HAD THE WARNING CITATIONS, VEHICLE TOWS. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE UNDUPLICATED OR IF THEY WERE THE SAME PERSON MULTIPLE TIMES? I'M JUST CURIOUS IN THAT PARTICULAR REGARD TO.

IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, WAS THERE A PARTICULAR CITATION? NO, JUST ALL THE NUMBERS THAT WERE UP THERE. I KNOW SOMETIMES WE'LL SAY THESE WERE UNDUPLICATED CONTACTS OR THEY WERE DUPLICATED CONTACTS.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS THE SAME PERSON MULTIPLE TIMES.

AND THEN WE COUNTED THAT, YOU KNOW, AGGREGATED THAT UP AND THAT'S THE TOTAL OR IF IT'S UNDUPLICATED INSTANCES.

SO IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE CAMPING AND VEHICLE SPECIFICALLY, THAT WAS JUST A TOTAL NUMBER.

IT WASN'T UNDUPLICATED, I KNOW SPECIFICALLY OF SEVERAL THAT WERE AT THE SAME LOCATION ON TWO SUBSEQUENT DAYS THAT WERE CITED TWICE.

OKAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY OF THOSE. OF COURSE. YEAH. OKAY. NO.

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AND THAT'S JUST TO GET CLARITY ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN ASKED.

THERE WAS THE QUESTION ASKED AROUND THE LACK OF RESOURCES AND FOLKS WANTING TO BE CONNECTED AND HOW THEY CAN, YOU KNOW MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED IN IN THE MEANTIME JUST TO GET A BIT MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD, WHERE CAN FOLKS LEGALLY PARK IF THEY NEED TO? IF THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THESE SERVICES AND THEY ARE STILL LIVING OUT OF THEIR VEHICLE JUST TO ENSURE, OR IS IT IF THEY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FROM OUR TEAM INTERNALLY, HEY, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THESE RESOURCES.

IS THAT THE METHOD? THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRYING.

SO I GUESS THERE'S A COUPLE COUPLE THINGS IN THERE.

SO FOR FOLKS WHO YOU KNOW, ARE ABLE TO SAY BRIDGE TO A SHELTER UNTIL THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, SECURE HOUSING THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BRIDGE THEM TO SOMETHING ELSE OF WHICH THEIR VEHICLE COULD GO WITH THEM.

THAT'S THERE'S ALSO SAFE PARKING, AS I MENTIONED, IN A FEW NEIGHBORING CITIES, THE THE PROBLEM WITH, SAY WOMEN OR FAMILIES, THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF SHELTER IN NORTH COUNTY FOR WOMEN OR FAMILIES.

SO WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM, A HUGE GAP THERE. AND SO IT'S WHEN WE TALK MOTEL VOUCHER, THAT'S USUALLY A VERY SHORT TERM BRIDGE SITUATION WHEN SOMEBODY ALREADY HAS, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE HOUSING PLAN AND THEY'RE CLOSE TO MOVING IN.

SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A MOTEL PROGRAM THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, FOUR MONTHS WHILE SOMEBODY'S KIND OF LOOKING TO GET THEIR HOUSING PLAN GOING. SO FOR, FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO BE IN THEIR CAR, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PURSUE THOSE SAFE PARKING LOTS.

AND I KNOW THAT AS OF A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BOTH VISTA AND ENCINITAS HAD SOME AVAILABLE SPACES AND THOSE COULD BE ACCESSED THROUGH JEWISH FAMILY SERVICES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND CAN YOU REMIND ME I KNOW YOU'VE SHARED THIS BEFORE, BUT WHAT ARE GENERALLY WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF BEDS THAT ARE GENERALLY AVAILABLE FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN? OH, GOSH. WE GENERALLY FOR WOMEN IT'S LIKE POTENTIALLY A SIX MONTH WAIT.

POTENTIALLY MORE. YEAH. SO IT'S IT'S SO IT'S SUCH A DIRE NEED.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU WANTED COMMENTS ROLLED IN.

ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. SO JUST AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THIS.

I THINK WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR RESOURCES FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT.

I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL CARE ABOUT AND HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS ARE GETTING CONNECTED TO THOSE RESOURCES.

I KNOW OUR TEAM IS WORKING ON THAT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HELP FOLKS IF THEY WANT THE HELP AND THEY NEED THE HELP AND THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.

SO WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE SEEING THAT. AND OF COURSE, TO OUR PD.

THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

TO REALLY GET OUT THERE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND ALSO MAKE SURE FOLKS ARE GETTING CONNECTED TO THE RIGHT RESOURCES.

AND OF COURSE, EVERYONE SAID IT. SO OUR SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL AS WELL THANKING THEM FOR ALL OF THEIR HARD WORK.

I KNOW WHENEVER I SEE THEM OUT AND ABOUT I DEFINITELY GET A SMILE ON MY FACE BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO JUST GO OUT AND HELP THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING, WHICH IS VERY NICE. SO I JUST HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM AS WELL. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE REPORT.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS PUT INTO THIS.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. NO, THERE'S NO ACTION. CLOSING COMMENTS.

[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS]

MR. SHIN. YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MINUTE MOTION.

SO I SIT AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE SANDAG PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AUTOMATED REGIONAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEM KNOWN AS ARGUS.

THIS IS WHERE DATA IS ENTERED INTO CBRS AND MBERS, WHICH IS THE STATE NATIONAL INCIDENT BASED REPORTING SYSTEMS. COUNTYWIDE, OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS PLACE CHARGE CODES FOR CRIMES INTO THESE REPORTING SYSTEMS. RECENTLY, THE STATE HAS HAD CERTAIN CHARGE CODES DEACTIVATED.

THE LACK OF IDENTIFICATION BY DEACTIVATING THIS HAS CRIMES UNREPORTED, AND IT CAUSES A CONFUSION AND LACK OF INFORMATION.

THIS LACK OF INFORMATION CAN END UP IN REGARDS TO THE LACK OF PROSECUTION AND CAN LEAVE THE VICTIMS UNABLE TO RECEIVE APPROPRIATE JUSTICE.

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SO TONIGHT, I'M MAKING A MOTION TO MOVE THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK AN ITEM TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED CHANGES TO ARGUS CASE CATEGORIZATION AND HOW THOSE CHANGES MAY IMPACT THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND OUR RESIDENTS.

SECOND, FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. SO ARE YOU JUST ON CLARITY? YOU'RE ASKING THE POLICE OFFICERS TO BRING US A REPORT ON WHAT EXACTLY? YEAH. SO WHAT'S TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IS THEY'VE DEACTIVATED CODES.

RIGHT? SO IT'S CAUSED A LOT OF CONFUSION IN REGARDS TO HOW THE STATE CAN OR HOW WE LOCALLY CAN PROSECUTE CRIMINALS, ESSENTIALLY. AND SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE CERTAIN CODES, SOME OF THEM CAN JUST GET LEFT ABANDONED, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CAN'T PROSECUTE IN THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO.

IT'S CONFUSING ENOUGH. I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THE COPS TO DO TO BRING TO US.

CLARIFY THE SITUATION THAT'S TAKING PLACE, BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, AND JUST TALKING TO ENOUGH OF THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERSHIP, IT'S COMING TO A, YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF CONFUSION OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE, WHICH CAN TAKE PLACE HERE AS WELL. KNOWING THAT WE DON'T PROSECUTE BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN GET AHEAD OF SOMETHING THAT ARGUS IS DOING THAT WE DON'T LIKE. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S THE SIMPLE VERSION.

OKAY. THANKS. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO MY REPORT NOW, OR DO YOU HAVE MORE? SORRY. THAT'S IT. I JUST NEED A SECOND. I DID SECOND. YEAH, I DID SECOND.

IT. OKAY. ANY CONVERSATION ON IT? MISS ACOSTA.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, I GUESS I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

I APPRECIATE THE INTEREST. I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN ARGUS AND DATA AND STATISTICS THAT CAN INFORM OUR WORK.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT CODES HAVE CHANGED AND WHAT'S NOT THAT'S CHANGED.

IT'S THAT THEY'VE LITERALLY DEACTIVATED THEM.

AND SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING AND CHIEFS HERE, IF SHE WANTS TO JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BREVITY, I THINK THE IDEA IS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FUTURE.

WE CAN'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION NOW. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO IT. CORRECT.

OKAY. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE A MINUTE MOTION LIKE THIS AT THE END OF A COUNCIL MEETING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

I THINK WE COULD JUST GET IT ON THE AGENDA ANOTHER WAY, BUT YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

THIS IS WHAT THE MOTION IS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR STAFF TO GIVE US A REPORT ABOUT THE CHANGE, SLASH DEACTIVATION OF SOME CODES IN ARGUS. RIGHT.

CORRECT. SOUNDS FINE TO ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

IS. IS THAT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR STATEMENTS? OKAY, MISS BURKHOLDER. JUST THAT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE OF WHICH I SIT ON WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA GOES TO EACH COMMISSION AND MAKES A PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO DURING THAT TIME. TYPICALLY THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING, PLEASE JOIN US. IT'S A LOAD OF FUN, AND I HAD THE PRIVILEGE AND HONOR OF PRESENTING TO THE LIBRARY BOARD LAST WEDNESDAY.

I LEARNED THAT FOUR OF THE FIVE OF THEM HAVE HEARD THE PRESENTATION BEFORE, SO THEY WERE HIGHLY EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT WE DO.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT. MISS ACOSTA, THANK YOU.

I DID PRESENT TO THE LIBRARY BOARD LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS PRESENTATIONS FROM THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR SINCE LAST YEAR. AND THIS YEAR ON MONDAY, I'M SPEAKING TO THE TRAFFIC MOBILITY, TRAFFIC SAFETY AND MOBILITY COMMISSION TO GIVE MY LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE. AND REALLY, I KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TURNOVER BETWEEN YEARS OF OF OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE WORKING ON SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT THEY ARE IN A LEGISLATURE WITH A LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY BENT. SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE DOING IT.

OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO REPORT OUT ON ARE WATER AUTHORITY.

WE HAD OUR BIG BOARD MEETING LAST WEEK. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLANNING FOR WATER SO THAT WE CAN HELP KEEP RATES DOWN.

THERE'S SOME BIG STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH HOW WE MODEL OUR RATES.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON THIS. THIS IS THIS WILL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR RATES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE FOR THE LONG TERM.

ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO SAVE SO MUCH MONEY AND KEEP RATES LOW FOR SAN DIEGO COUNTY. YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT WE HAVE FOUR SEATS FROM SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY ON THE METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT, AND THAT ALLOWS US TO STAY CONNECTED AND IN TUNE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

AND WE RECENTLY CHANGED THOSE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM SAN DIEGO.

ONE IS MEL KATZ. HE WAS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY.

HE IS AN APPOINTEE OF DEL MAR. AND HE, SORRY, RESIDENT OF DEL MAR, APPOINTEE OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

AND HE SITS ON THE METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT BOARD AND OUR BOARD NOW.

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AND THE OTHER PERSON IS DAN DENHAM, OUR GENERAL MANAGER.

WE WERE ABLE TO APPOINT HIM AS METROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT BOARD CO BOARD MEMBER.

SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING. BUT ANYWAY, BIG CHANGES.

AND ONE THING THAT WE ARE DOING AT SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY COOL BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF COPYING FROM US SOMETHING GREAT THAT WE DID IS WE DID A CIP, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, PRIORITIZATION WORKSHOP A COUPLE YEARS AGO HERE IN CARLSBAD, AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY IS GOING TO COPY WHAT WE DID AND HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR BIG PROJECTS AND TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZING THEM, TOO. SO I WAS GLAD I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT ON OUR BEHALF AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT NEXT WEEK.

SO THOSE ARE MY REPORT OUTS. AND THANK YOU, MISS BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU. WE HAD OUR CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE MEETING AT OUR NEW LOCATION AT THE LEUCADIA WASTEWATER DISTRICT OFFICE.

WE'VE MOVED FROM OCEANSIDE. SO IN CASE SOMEBODY DOES WANT TO ATTEND IN PERSON, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOLKS ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S A NEW LOCATION.

WE HAD A CELEBRATION FOR OUR NORTH COUNTY TRANSIT DISTRICT.

IT'S OUR GOLDEN ANNIVERSARY. SO OUR 50TH YEAR OF SERVING THE COMMUNITY HERE IN NORTH COUNTY.

JUST I KNOW WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OPEN HOUSE.

LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING TO THAT. I KNOW IT'S A FAVORITE FOR SO MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

AND THEN JUST PERSONALLY, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE GO EVERY YEAR, AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN GOING SINCE WE FIRST GOT TOGETHER.

IT WAS THE MIRAMAR AIR SHOW THIS PAST WEEKEND, AND I KNOW WE HAD A CHANCE TO RUN INTO SOME CARLSBAD RESIDENTS THERE AS WELL.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I HOPE EVERYONE ELSE HAS A GREAT REST OF YOUR WEEK.

CITY CLERK ANYTHING? CITY ATTORNEY? NOTHING. THANK YOU.

CITY MANAGER. NOTHING. THANK YOU. AND FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[ANNOUNCEMENTS]

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 4TH, 2025 FROM 10 A.M. TO 2 P.M..

CITY OF CARLSBAD PUBLIC SAFETY OPEN HOUSE WILL BE AT THE SAFETY TRAINING CENTER, 20 2750 ORION STREET IN CARLSBAD.

AND LAST WEEK, I TRY TO END. MY NEW THING IS I'M GOING TO TRY TO END COUNCIL MEETINGS WITH, ON A GOOD NOTE, LAST WEEK I TALKED ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO LOST HER DAUGHTER UNEXPECTEDLY AND THE WAY SHE WAS DEALING WITH IT WAS TRYING TO BRING JOY TO EVERYBODY.

WELL, TONIGHT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A VERY NICE LETTER FROM SOMEBODY IN PRISON.

AND I'D LIKE POLICE CHIEF TO TO SHARE IT WITH US.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, MAYOR. I KNOW EVERYONE'S READY TO GO HOME, SO I WILL TRY AND MAKE THIS QUICK, BUT I DO RECEIVE MAIL AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THE CHIEF'S OFFICE. AND THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE LETTER THAT I RECEIVED.

SO I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE AUDIENCE DATED SEPTEMBER 14TH OF THIS YEAR, IT SAYS, DEAR CARLSBAD POLICE, OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS OR SO, I'VE HAD MANY RUN INS WITH YOU ALL.

SOME OF THESE RUN INS WENT OKAY, BUT MOST OF THEM ALWAYS WERE BECAUSE OF ME CAUSING UNNEEDED DRAMA AND BREAKING THE LAW.

WHEN I SAY SOME OF THESE RUN INS WENT OKAY, IT'S BECAUSE EITHER THE HOT TEAM OR POLICE WERE CHECKING ON ME AND EVEN SAVED ME FROM DEATH.

I HAD OVERDOSED A COUPLE TIMES. IT'S A MIRACLE I'M ALIVE TODAY.

UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE A SERIOUS DRUG PROBLEM AND SUFFER FROM HOMELESSNESS.

TWO THINGS IN MY LIFE I WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE.

YOU ALL ALREADY KNOW THAT I HAVE A DAUGHTER AS WELL.

THE MAIN POINT OF THIS SHORT LETTER TO THE ENTIRE CARLSBAD POLICE AND HOT TEAM IS TO APOLOGIZE FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART TO ALL OF YOU.

I'M COMPLETELY ASHAMED OF HOW I'VE ACTED AND PLAYED A FOOL TO EVERYBODY.

THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND PUBLIC EYE. I CONTINUE TO DISRESPECT AS PITIFUL ON MY BEHALF.

PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY AND UNDERSTAND MY ACTIONS WILL BE DIFFERENT FROM HERE ON OUT.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE, SACRIFICE AND BRAVERY.

BRAVERY. AND I'LL KEEP HIS NAME ANONYMOUS. I'M VERY AWARE OF THIS INDIVIDUAL.

HE WROTE THIS LETTER FROM GEORGE BAILEY DETENTION FACILITY, WHERE I CHECKED TODAY.

HE'S STILL IN CUSTODY. AND THERE'S THREE UNDERLYING THEMES THAT I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC TO THIS LETTER.

THE FIRST IS WITHOUT THE AMAZING COMMITMENT AND SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL TO FUND AND STAFF OUR HOT TEAM FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS. THE SECOND THING IS THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL IS DIRECTLY LINKED TO PROP 36.

HE HAS BEEN ARRESTED 54 TIMES IN FIVE YEARS. AS YOU CAN TELL, HE'S STRUGGLING WITH HOMELESSNESS AND DRUG ADDICTION.

PROP 36 THAT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY PASSED BY THE VOTERS.

OVER 67% WAS SPECIFIC FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS. THE LAW GIVES LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PROSECUTORS ADDITIONAL TOOLS TO ENSURE

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THAT WE ARE ABLE TO HOLD PEOPLE IN CUSTODY AND GET THEM THE HELP THAT THEY NEED. HE'S PROBABLY BEEN SOBER FOR A FEW WEEKS NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FIVE YEARS, AND WROTE THIS LETTER TO US.

AND SO I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS, WHO I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO, WHO I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF, ESPECIALLY THE HOT TEAM AND OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE CONTACTING THESE PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER ARE ABLE TO.

SOMETIMES IT TAKES THE ARREST, SOMETIMES IT'S THE 54TH ARREST THAT MAKES A CHANGE IN SOMEBODY'S LIFE LIKE THIS, AND IT CAN BE A GRIND, AND IT CAN BE VERY FRUSTRATING FOR OFFICERS TO GO ON THAT MERRY GO ROUND OF CONSISTENTLY CONTACTING THE SAME PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH CONTACT IS GOING TO BE THE CHANGE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME FOR LISTENING TO THIS AND THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT.

THANK YOU CHIEF. WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.