4. ORDINANCE NO. 51 AMENDING TITLE 1 AND REPEALING AND REPLACING TITLE 2 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT CODE – Adoption of Carlsbad Municipal Water District Board of Directors Ordinance No. 51 amending Title 1 and repealing and replacing Title 2 of the Carlsbad Municipal Water District Code. (Staff contact: Morgen Fry, City Clerk)

[4. ORDINANCE NO. 51 AMENDING TITLE 1 AND REPEALING AND REPLACING TITLE 2 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT CODE – Adoption of Carlsbad Municipal Water District Board of Directors Ordinance No. 51 amending Title 1 and repealing and replacing Title 2 of the Carlsbad Municipal Water District Code. (Staff contact: Morgen Fry, City Clerk) ]

MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, PLEASE.

>> MAYOR, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER.

>> I'M SORRY. PLEASE CALL THE SPEAKER.

>> MIKE BORRELLO.

>> SORRY, MIKE ALMOST MISSED YOU.

>> DON'T MISS ME, PLEASE.

>> READY?

>> MAYOR BLACKBURN, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MIKE BORRELLO, A 30-YEAR CARLSBAD RESIDENT, AND PRO PER PETITIONER IN AN ONGOING LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY IN SAN DIEGO SUPERIOR COURT.

HAVING FILED A PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDAMUS, INVOLVING, AMONG OTHER CAUSES, THE ISSUE OF PURPLE PIPE IRRIGATION HAZARDS.

BESIDES THE MATTER OF THE LAWSUIT, I AM SPEAKING UNDER MY RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH TO OPPOSE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 51, AMENDING TITLE 1 AND REPLACING TITLE 2 OF THE CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT CODE.

WHILE UPDATES FOR EFFICIENCY ARE COMMENDABLE, THIS ORDINANCE PRIORITIZES CITY'S LEGAL PROTECTIONS OVER PUBLIC HEALTH.

IT SHIFTS LIABILITY FOR RECYCLED WATER RISKS ONTO

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CUSTOMERS WITHOUT ADDRESSING OR DISCLOSING HAZARDS THAT I'VE RAISED BEFORE.

NUTRIENT-RICH RECYCLED WATER TREATED WITH LOW CHLORINE TO SPARE VEGETATION PROMOTES PATHOGENIC REGROWTH LIKE LEGIONELLA, MYCOPLASMA, PSEUDOMONAS, AND PIPE BIOFILMS. BY ENDPOINT SPRAY IRRIGATION, DISSIPATIVE CHLORINE FAILS TO PREVENT INFECTIONS FROM AEROSOLIZED PARTICLES.

A RECENT STUDY, QUANTIFICATION AND COMPARISON OF RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH WASTEWATER USE IN SPRAY IRRIGATION, PUBLISHED IN A JOURNAL BY WILEY, MODELS INFECTION RISKS FROM LEGIONELLA AND AMMONIA IN AEROSOLS, REVEALING SIGNIFICANT INHALATION DANGERS.

SADLY, LIMITED FUNDING HINDERS MORE OF SUCH RESEARCH, LEAVING GAPS IN MITIGATION.

INSTEAD OF ENDPOINT TESTING, MODELING OR CUSTOMER NOTIFICATIONS, THE CODE YOU'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT EXPANDS INDEMNIFICATION.

SECTIONS 2.3, 36.160, ADDING DEFEND DUTY HEIGHTENS ON SITE DUTIES, SECTIONS 2.3, 2.040 THROUGH 2.32.060, AND STREAMLINES CLAIMS IN SECTION 2.04.170, EFFECTIVELY BURDENING CUSTOMERS WITHOUT TRANSPARENCY.

THIS UNDERMINES TRUST IN THE CITY'S DUTIES UNDER CALIFORNIA WATER CODE AND TITLE 22.

GIVEN MY LITIGATION ON THIS MATTER AND THE NATURE OF ITS URGENCY, I URGE YOU TO TABLE THIS ITEM, INVESTIGATE PURPLE PIPERS AND INFORM USERS BEFORE CHANGES LIMITING CITY ACCOUNTABILITY. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?

>> NO.

>> ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? PLEASE MAKE A MOTION?

>> MOVE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE.

>> SECOND.

>> PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER 5, CITY MANAGER, PLEASE.

[5. ADVERTISE FOR BIDS FOR THE POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK SYNTHETIC TURF FIELD REPLACEMENT PROJECT, CIP PROJECT NO. 4614 – Adoption of a resolution adopting the plans, specifications and contract documents for the Poinsettia Community Park Synthetic Turf Field Replacement Project and authorizing the City Clerk to advertise the project for public bids. (Staff contact: Kyle Lancaster, Community Services)]

>> THANK YOU. ITEM 5 IS ADVERTISED FOR BIDS FOR THE POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK SYNTHETIC TURF FIELD REPLACEMENT PROJECT.

FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR KYLE LANCASTER, PARK SERVICES MANAGER TODD REESE, AND PARK PLANNING MANAGER NICK STUPIN.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

TO MY RIGHT, I HAVE MR. NICK STUPIN.

HE IS OUR PARKS PLANNING MANAGER, OVERSEEING BOTH PARKS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.

THEN TO HIS RIGHT, I HAVE MR. TODD REESE, PARK SERVICES MANAGER, THE DIVISION HEAD THAT OVERSEES BOTH THE PARK PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SECTION, AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION SECTION.

THEY ARE BOTH ALSO LICENSED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.

THIS IS THE FIELD THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.

AGAIN, A LARGE MULTIPURPOSE ATHLETIC FIELD.

THIS IS A WESTERLY ORIENTATION AND A NORTHERLY ORIENTATION OF THE FIELD TAKEN LAST WEEK.

FOR YOUR REMINDER, THE CARLSBAD INVENTORY DOES HAVE A TOTAL OF EIGHT FIELDS AT FIVE DIFFERENT PARK SITES.

SYNTHETIC TURF WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO THE CITY INVENTORY BACK IN 2004.

JUST ABOUT 22 YEARS NOW, INCLUSIVE.

THOSE EIGHT FIELDS AT FIVE PARKS ARE ALGA NORTE, HAVING TWO, AVIARA, ONE, PINE AVENUE, ONE, POINSETTIA, TWO AND STAGECOACH, TWO.

THIS IS SIMPLY A SITE MAP SHOWING YOU THAT VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THOSE FIVE PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

OUR CURRENT INVENTORY ALSO INCLUDES RECREATIONAL PLAY AREAS THAT HAVE SYNTHETIC TURF AT TWO SITES, ALGA NORTE COMMUNITY PARK SKATE PARK, AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SKATE PARK, A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA, AND ALSO POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK PLAYGROUND, THE MOUNDS, IF YOU CAN RECALL, THAT PROVIDE UNSTRUCTURED PLAY.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE WEDDING AND EVENT AREAS AT TWO SITES, LEO CARRILLO RANCH HISTORIC PARK, AND THE CROSSINGS AT CARLSBAD MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE.

I HAVE SOME PHOTO REPRESENTATIONS OF THOSE SITES.

ALGA NORTE SKATE PARK HERE.

POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK ARENA SOCCER,

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WHICH WAS OUR MOST RECENT INSTALLATION OF SYNTHETIC TURF, AND IN THE UPPER LEFT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.

ALSO AT POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK, THE SYNTHETIC TURF MOUNDS IN THE PLAYGROUND THAT I REFERENCED THAT PROVIDE UNSTRUCTURED PLAY.

LEO CARRILLO RANCH HISTORIC PARK, WEDDING AND EVENT AREA AT THE HACIENDA, CROSSINGS AT CARLSBAD GOLF COURSE, WEDDING AND EVENT AREA, JUST NEXT TO THE CLUBHOUSE.

LASTLY, THE CROSSINGS T LINE AT THE DRIVING RANGE.

SPECIFIC TO ATHLETIC FIELDS.

WE WANTED TO MENTION THE DEMAND BRIEFLY.

FRANKLY, WE HAVE A GREATER DEMAND THAN WE HAVE SUPPLY OF ATHLETIC FIELDS.

OUR STAFF DOES HOLD A BIANNUAL FIELD ALLOCATION MEETING WITH USER GROUPS TWICE A YEAR AND ONE IN SPRING, ONE AND FALL TO PROVIDE AS MANY FIELDS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO THE USER GROUPS, BUT WE SIMPLY CANNOT ACCOMMODATE ALL THE REQUESTS.

I'LL SAY THAT GENERALLY, THE SYNTHETIC TURF FIELDS ARE PREFERRED BY THE USER GROUPS.

THOSE FIELDS GO FIRST, AND THEN THE REMAINDER ARE THE NATURAL GRASS FIELDS ARE ALLOCATED.

SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, IT'S A LARGE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD THERE THAT WAS PHOTOED, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONVERTED FROM NATURAL GRASS TO A SYNTHETIC TURF SURFACE IN 2004, AND THAT CONVERSION WAS LARGELY INITIATED DUE TO CHALLENGES WITH MAINTAINING THE NATURAL GRASS OVER THE HEAVY PROGRAMMING THAT WE ENCOUNTER.

KEEPING IT IN TOP PLAYING CONDITION WAS CHALLENGING.

>> THE ORIGINAL SYNTHETIC TURF INSTALLED IN 2004, DID CONTAIN A CRUMB RUBBER INFILL MATERIAL AND THAT TURF OFFERED AN EIGHT YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD.

WE ACTUALLY MANAGED TO GET 11 YEARS OF USEFUL LIFE OUT OF IT.

AFTER THAT 11 YEARS, WE DID REPLACE IT WITH A SYNTHETIC TURF THAT LIKEWISE HAD THE CRUMB RUBBER INFILL.

I WANT TO BE CERTAIN THAT TONIGHT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING A CRUMB RUBBER INFILL SYSTEM.

NOW AFTER NEARLY 11 ADDITIONAL YEARS OF SIGNIFICANT PROGRAMMING, HEAVY USE, THAT TURF IS NEARING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE, AND STAFF AND A CONSULTANT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAVE REVIEWED THE VARIOUS SYNTHETIC TURF SYSTEMS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE AND CONSIDERED SEVERAL FACTORS, INCLUDING HEALTH CONCERNS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, OVERALL COSTS, AND FINALLY PERFORMANCE AND DURABILITY OF THE PRODUCT.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN TO MR. STUPIN, WHO'LL TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIED SYSTEM.

MR. STUPIN, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR LANCASTER.

[NOISE] THE SPECIFIED SYSTEM IS KNOWN AS PIVOT.

THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT'S MANUFACTURED BY A COMPANY CALLED TENCATE, WHICH IS A 300-YEAR-OLD COMPANY BASED OUT OF THE NETHERLANDS.

THEY'VE BEEN KNOWN FOR THEIR USE IN FIBERS WITHIN THE MOST RECENT HISTORY.

THEY'VE MOVED INTO SYNTHETIC MATERIALS SUCH AS THE TURF FIELDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

TENCATE IS KNOWN AS A GLOBAL LEADER IN INNOVATION AND HIGH QUALITY SYNTHETIC TURF SYSTEMS. THESE SYSTEMS ARE USED BOTH IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACE LIKE ATHLETIC FIELDS, AS WELL AS GENERAL LANDSCAPING.

THIS TENCATE PIVOT SYSTEM WAS SPECIFIED FOR OUR PROJECT OVER OTHER SYSTEMS DUE TO SEVERAL REASONS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS SYSTEM IS IDENTIFIED AS HAVING NO ADDED PFAS CHEMICALS.

THESE ARE ALSO KNOWN FOREVER CHEMICALS.

WITHOUT THESE COMPOUNDS PRESENT WITHIN THE SYSTEM, THIS GREATLY REDUCES THE HEALTH CONCERNS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO THE PROJECT.

ANOTHER THING TO NOTE ABOUT THIS, THE SYSTEM HAS ALSO BEEN MEASURED FOR PERCOLATION AFTER RAIN EVENTS, AND THAT HAS ALSO DETECTED NO DETECTABLE PFAS CHEMICALS.

THIS SYSTEM USES NO PERFORMANCE INFILL, WHICH ELIMINATES THE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS LIKE CRUMB RUBBER OR ANY OF THE ORGANICS THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY LOOKED INTO LIKE WALNUT SHELLS.

THIS ALSO REDUCES THE HEALTH CONCERNS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO THE PROJECT.

THIS ALSO REDUCES A LOT OF THE HEAVY MAINTENANCE THAT FIELDS REQUIRE LIKE THE SYNTHETIC FIELDS CURRENTLY DO.

THIS PRODUCT IS MADE WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS, BUT AT ITS BASE IS WHAT'S CALLED A BALLAST OF WEIGHT THAT HOLDS DOWN THE TURF.

THIS IS A POROUS MINERAL MATERIAL.

THIS HAS A LOT OF COOLING PROPERTIES TO THE FIELD, WHICH ALSO HELPS WITH THE CONCERNS WITH HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, AS WELL AS HEALTH CONCERNS AS IT IS OF LOW IMPACT TO HUMANS.

THE TURF CARRIES A 12-YEAR WARRANTY AS DIRECTOR LANCASTER MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO,

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THE CURRENT MAINTENANCE PERIOD IS EIGHT YEARS.

THIS GETS US AN EXTRA 50% OF LIFE OUT OF THIS PRODUCT.

AGAIN, THIS IS A GREAT THING BECAUSE THIS GREATLY REDUCES ANY POTENTIAL LANDFILL OFFSETS AND ALSO MAINTENANCE OVER THAT TIME PERIOD.

THE SYSTEM ALSO INCLUDES AN ATTENUATION PAD OR A SHOCK PAD, WHICH HAS A 25 YEAR WARRANTY.

AGAIN, WITH A LONGER WARRANTY MEANS LESS WASTE OFF OF A PRODUCT AND ADDITIONAL COSTS OF HAVING TO REPLACE MATERIALS.

IT EXCEEDS THE INDUSTRY BENCHMARKS FOR A WEAR RESISTANCE AND STABILITY RETENTION.

ITS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

THE SYSTEM BOUNCES BACK WITHOUT HAVING TO BRUSH IT OR MAINTAIN IT.

THIS DURABILITY HAS BEEN VALIDATED THROUGH EXTENSIVE LABORATORY TESTING, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AMERICAN TESTING AND EUROPEAN UNION TESTING.

HERE'S A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE PIVOT SYSTEM.

THE GREEN FIBERS ON THE TOP ARE MORE SIMILAR TO A TRADITIONAL TURF SYSTEM THAT YOU MAY SEE IN ONE OF OUR SYNTHETIC FIELDS.

HOWEVER, THIS HAS TWICE THE AMOUNT OF FIBER.

IT'S A LOT MORE DENSE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR BETTER CUSHIONING, MORE NATURAL FIELD PLAY LIKE REGULAR GRASS.

ANOTHER INTERESTING NOTE ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY MADE OUT OF ONE TYPE OF POLYMER, WHICH MAKES IT A LOT MORE EASY TO RECYCLE.

WE'RE TOLD BY THE MANUFACTURER, THEY'RE EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO RECYCLE JUST ABOUT 100% OF THIS PRODUCT AT THE END OF ITS LIFE.

BELOW THAT, THE GRANULAR BROWN SUGAR LOOKING STUFF AT THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S THE ACTUAL BALLAST, THE MINERAL.

BELOW THAT IS THE MAT THAT ALL THIS ATTACHES TO, AND BELOW THAT IS THE ORANGE WOULD REPRESENT THE SHOCK PAD.

NEXT, I'D LIKE TO HAND IT OFF TO MR. TODD REESE TO COVER THE LAST BIT OF THE PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU, MR. STUPIN.

WE WANTED TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS.

THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT INCLUDES REMOVING AND RECYCLING THE EXISTING SYNTHETIC TURF AND RUBBER INFILL MATERIAL.

THE TENCATE RECYCLING SERVICE OFFERS ZERO WASTE PROCESS, DIVERTING THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF TURF FROM THE LANDFILL.

THE PRODUCT THAT IS PRESENT TODAY WILL BE SHIPPED OUT AND PROCESSED AT ABOUT, I THINK MR. STUPIN MENTIONED 94%, AND THE PRODUCT WE'RE PROPOSING AFTER ITS USEFUL LIFE, 100%.

THIS SERVICE IS CONSISTENT WITH CARLSBAD SUSTAINABILITY MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

STATE AND LOCAL INSTALLATIONS.

>> WE'RE GOOD.

>> SYSTEMS INSTALLED OR IN PRODUCTION AT 40 SITES IN CALIFORNIA, INCLUDING PARKS, ELEMENTARY, HIGH SCHOOLS, COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES, AND PRO ATHLETIC FACILITIES.

IT HAS BEEN INSTALLED LOCALLY AT THE SANTEE SPORTS COMPLEX, USA IN 2024 AND MORE RECENTLY AND MORE LOCALLY AT THE LEO CARRILLO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN 2025.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED BOTH OF THOSE INSTALLATIONS AT THE LOCAL SITES AND CONSULTED WITH THE ASSOCIATED STAFF, AND BOTH STAFF HAVE EXPRESSED COMMUNITY SUPPORT, INSTALLATION EFFICIENCY, AND OVERALL SATISFACTION WITH THE TURF SYSTEM.

HERE'S A COUPLE OF QUICK SLIDES OF LEO CARRILLO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOOKING TOWARDS THE EAST FROM THE OTHER ANGLE.

IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE JUST THE PASSIVE AREAS AS WELL HAVE BEEN TREATED WITH THE SAME PRODUCT, SO THEY'VE ELIMINATED ALL OF THEIR NATURAL TURF.

HERE'S A VIEW OF THE SANTEE SPORTS COMPLEX.

NEXT WE WANTED TO MENTION COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

OUR STAFF HAS ADVISED ALL OF THE ELIGIBLE USER GROUPS OF THE FIELDS ESTIMATED TWO MONTH CLOSURE FOR THE REPLACEMENT WORK.

ALSO, STAFF RECENTLY MET WITH MEMBERS OF THE SIERRA CLUB TO REVIEW THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SYNTHETIC TURF AND ALSO NATURAL TURF BOTH BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT NATURAL GRASS.

NATURAL GRASS FIELDS MUST BE WELL MAINTAINED TO PROVIDE THE ACCEPTABLE ATHLETIC PLAYING CONDITION.

THERE CAN BE HEALTH CONCERNS AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS RELATED TO THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE AREAS AS WELL.

WE WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT OUR CONTRACTORS ARE REQUIRED TO ADHERE WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE CARLSBAD INTEGRATED MANAGEMENT PLAN.

AGAIN, FOR NATURAL GRASS FIELDS, PESTICIDES THAT CAN BE USED BY CITY CONTRACTORS IN MAINTAINING THE NATURAL GRASS FIELDS WITHIN OUR IPM, INCLUDE HERBICIDES INSECTICIDES, FUNGICIDES AND RODENTICIDES.

NATURAL GRASS ATHLETIC FIELDS ALSO REQUIRE ROUTINE FERTILIZATION AND CONSUME SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF WATER.

MOST FIELDS IN OUR INVENTORY ARE IRRIGATED WITH RECLAIMED WATER.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE UP IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT THAT IS POTABLE.

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NATURAL GRASS FIELDS REQUIRE BOTH SCHEDULED AND UNSCHEDULED CLOSURES DURING THE YEAR.

SCHEDULED WOULD BE WHEN WE CLOSE THEM DOWN FOR BIANNUAL MAINTENANCE.

WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE PERIODS, A THREE-WEEK PERIOD IN THE WINTER AND FIVE WEEKS IN THE SPRING FOR RENOVATION, AND THEN UNSCHEDULED WOULD BE CLOSURES ASSOCIATED WITH PERHAPS A RAINFALL EVENT OR SOME CONDITION THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.

IT'S PRESUMED THAT THESE ANNUAL CLOSURES OF EIGHT WEEKS SCHEDULED FOR RENOVATIONS AND TWO WEEKS FOR UNSCHEDULED RAIN AND THAT GRASS FIELDS MAY ONLY BE AVAILABLE ABOUT 80% OF THE TIME WHEN THEY'RE COMPARED TO THEIR SYNTHETIC ATHLETIC FIELD COUNTERPART.

THE INITIAL COSTS OF INSTALLING THE NATURAL GRASS FIELDS ARE LOWER THAN SYNTHETIC, BUT THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE MUCH HIGHER.

COSTS OF INSTALLATION, MAINTENANCE OF GRASS FIELDS AND THE PIVOT SYNTHETIC SYSTEM AT THE END OF THE DAY ARE COMPARABLE.

WE'RE GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU THE 12-YEAR AMORTIZATION BASED ON THAT 12 YEAR WARRANTY OVER A 24-YEAR PERIOD.

YOU HAVE THE DETAIL INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

AT THE BOTTOM LINE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 24 YEARS.

THAT'S TWO CYCLES OF TURF OR SURFACE REPLACEMENT ON TOP OF THAT PAD THAT'S WARRANTIED FOR 25 YEARS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT TOTAL FOR INSTALLATION MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT AT THE END OF 24 YEARS, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE 4,245,000 FOR THE NATURAL GRASS AND 4,244,000 FOR THE TENCATE PIVOT SYSTEM.

THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES AN INITIAL PREMIUM OF ABOUT 20% FOR TENCATE OVER OUR TRADITIONAL CRUMB RUBBER INFILLED PRODUCTS, AND THE PREMIUM REDUCED TO ABOUT 10% WHEN THE COSTS ARE AMORTIZED OVER THE TWO SURFACE REPLACEMENT.

YOUR NEXT STEPS, PENDING YOUR APPROVAL, DOCUMENTS WOULD BE POSTED TO THE CITY'S BIDDING WEBSITE.

STAFF WILL REVIEW THE BIDS RECEIVED AND RETURN WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.

THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION PERIOD WOULD BE TWO MONTHS AND WE ANTICIPATE COMPLETING THIS BY THE END OF WINTER 2026, AND THEN WE WOULD MONITOR THAT PRODUCT IN ITS USE FOR APPLICATION TO OTHER CITY PROJECTS.

MR. LANCASTER ALREADY READ INTO THE RECORD, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION.

THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION, DIRECTOR LANCASTER, MR. STUPIN AND MYSELF WOULD BE HAPPY TO REPLY TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> PLEASE CALL SPEAKERS.

>> VANESSA FORSYTHE, FOLLOWED BY MARY ORIN.

>> MY NAME IS VANESSA FORSYTHE, AND I AM SPEAKING TO SAY THAT I ASK THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS GOING OUT TO BID.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PARTICULAR TO POINT CITY'S REPLACEMENT OF SYNTHETIC TURF, BUT IT IS AN ONGOING THING THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO FOR 15, 20 MORE YEARS, MAYBE INTO PERPETUITY.

I DID SUBMIT MY EMAIL TO YOU ALL.

I HOPE YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL OF THE HEALTH CONCERNS AND WHAT WE KNOW IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF PFAS.

I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION THAT ALTHOUGH THIS MANUFACTURER DOES NOT ADD PFAS TO HIS MATERIALS, IT'S BEEN FOUND IN OTHER SYNTHETIC TURF THAT WHEN THEY DO THE FLUORINE TESTING, THEY STILL FIND PFAS.

PFAS, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE, IS A CHEMICAL THAT THEY CALL IT NEVER GOES AWAY, AND IT HAS A BIG IMPACT IN TERMS OF OUR WATER SUPPLY.

THE STATE HAS ADDRESSED THAT BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT CONTAMINATION OF PFAS, THESE FOREVER CHEMICALS, AND OTHER FOREVER CHEMICALS IN OUR WATER SUPPLY.

THEN THE OTHER POINT I JUST WANT TO SAY SPECIFIC TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT THIS IS COMPRISED OF IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, HAS IMPACT IN TERMS OF MICROPLASTICS BECAUSE IT IS STILL A PRODUCT.

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THE TOP PRODUCT IS A PLASTIC THAT DEGRADES OVER TIME, GETS INTO OUR WATER SUPPLY.

AGAIN, THE CONCERN ABOUT MICROPLASTICS IS THAT WE'RE ALL MADE OF MICROPLASTICS.

IT'S IN ALL PARTS OF OUR BODY AND IT HAS SERIOUS HEALTH IMPACTS LIKE CANCER AND NEURO ENDOCRINE DISRUPTORS AND THAT.

I WAS GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT ABOUT GRASS BECAUSE I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT OUR CHILDREN WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF AN EXPERIENCE OF REAL GRASS AND WHAT REAL GRASS IS.

IT IS A BETTER PLACE FOR SAFETY, COOL, COMFORTABLE SURFACE, WITH BETTER IMPACT AND ABSORPTION THAT RESULTS IN LESS INJURIES DURING PLAY.

IT PREVENTS SOIL EROSION AND WASHING AWAY OF NUTRIENTS WITH ITS ROOT SYSTEM.

ITS PERMEABILITY ALLOWS FOR THE TRANSPORT OF WATER AND THE PASSAGE OF WATER UNDER THE SURFACE TO OUR AQUIFERS.

THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT I BUT I GOT A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT YOU GET IT.

>> MARY ORIN FOLLOWED BY BRAD AVATZ.

>> HELLO. [LAUGHTER] I'M ECHOING WHAT VANESSA SHARED.

BUT WITH A LITTLE MORE OF A COLORFUL SPIN, I'LL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.

MY TAKEAWAY WHEN THAT PRESENTATION HAPPENED WAS REDUCES HEALTH CONCERNS.

ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS REDUCES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THAT, BUT I'M NOT.

I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT I HAVE TO HAVE TO SAY HERE.

HERE WE ARE ON EARTH TOGETHER.

BIG, BLUE, GREEN AND WHITE BALL SPINNING ROUND. CAN YOU SEE IT? JANE GOODALL'S RECENT PASSING REMINDS US WE HAVE NOW AND EACH OTHER AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF SCIENCE AND NATURE, AND WE KNOW WHAT TO DO, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD RESPONSIBLY, AND STOP PRETENDING, JUSTIFYING, KICKING, CAN AFTER CAN, DOWN THE ROAD, AND THIS TIME, IT'S TURF.

I BROUGHT MY PRESCHOOL BOYS TO POINSETTIA PARK IN THE '90S.

WHEN PLAYING ON THE EQUIPMENT WAS FUN, BUT ROLLING DOWN THE HILLS ON ONE GRASSY SIDE, WAS THEIR FAVORITE THING TO DO.

I REMEMBER THEIR CURIOSITY, WHEN THE TURF SPACE STARTED TO HAPPEN.

WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE SYNTHETIC FIELD, SO PERFECTLY LAID OUT FOR ALL KINDS OF MEET UPS.

SEVERAL YEARS LATER, MY OLDER SON DID A RUNNING SUMMER SCHOOL SESSION ON THE FIELD AND I REMEMBER DROPPING HIM OFF CONCERNED ABOUT THE SMELL IN THE AIR.

I FELT GUILTY BECAUSE MY INSTINCTS TOLD ME THIS CAN'T BE GOOD.

I WENT OUT TO THE FIELD RECENTLY OUT OF CURIOSITY TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE NOW, AND I WAS SHOCKED.

THE FIELD SPACE WAS MOSTLY BLACK.

THE FUMES WERE INTENSE.

I ASKED THE PARENTS THERE WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF THINGS, THE SMELL, THE HEAT, AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, THEY'RE USED TO IT.

WE DON'T SMELL ANYTHING.

THEN I ASKED THE KIDS AND THEY SAID THE SAME THING.

I GUESS THE TYPICAL CASE OF DESENSITIZATION AFTER A LOT OF EXPOSURE.

THAT'S ADAPTING, GOING WITH THE FLOW, BUT WE KNOW WE CAN DO BETTER AND THE WORST EXCUSE, MONEY ISN'T EVEN IN THE EQUATION.

YOU SAW THOSE NUMBERS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

DO YOU DRINK WATER OUT OF PLASTIC BOTTLES ANYMORE SITTING OUT IN THE SUN? I DON'T SEE ANY PLASTIC BOTTLES. WE GET THAT.

SCIENCE HAS IDENTIFIED HOW PLASTIC BREAKS DOWN IN HEAT, AND INTO THE WATER.

HOW CAN WE THINK SMELLING WHAT WE SMELL OUT ON THE FIELD, SOMEHOW BEING ABSORBED BY LITTLE HUMANS THAT ARE COUNTING ON US IS OKAY.

WE CAN DO BETTER AND WE MUST.

PLEASE MOVE FORWARD BY MOVING PAST THE NOVELTY OF TURF.

WE MISTOOK AS INTERESTING AND EASY. IT'S NOT.

IT'S BAD FOR OUR KIDS AND THE ENVIRONMENT, AND WE CAN OPT TO PROTECT OUR KIDS AND THE PLANET NOW.

LET'S COMMIT TO CLEAN AIR, COOLER TEMPERATURES, A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE NATURE, ALONG WITH GREAT ATHLETIC FUN.

IT'S TIME TO TURN THE CLOCK FORWARD BY TURNING IT BACK.

BACK TO A SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE ENVIRONMENT.

DON'T BE TEMPTED TO REPEAT BAD DECISIONS.

YOU'VE HEARD OTHERS CLARIFY THE PROBLEMS CREATED BY PLASTIC. DO THE RIGHT THING.

BRING GRASS BACK. TAKE CARE OF OUR KIDS.

PLEASE, I'M ASKING YOU. THANK YOU.

>> BRAD AVATZ FOLLOWED BY KELLY MCNEIL.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS BRAD AVATZ.

I'M A RETIRED MARINE CORPS OFFICER AND FATHER OF FIVE CHILDREN AGES 14 TO THREE.

CURRENTLY TWO ARE PLAYING TACKLE FOOTBALL, ONE AT CARLSBAD HIGH, AND ANOTHER PLAYING SOCCER AT THE CITY FIELDS AS WE SPEAK. EXCUSE ME.

MY CHILDREN PLAY ALL THE SPORTS.

WE SPEND OUR WEEKENDS AT CARLSBAD PARKS AND FIELDS.

THANK YOU TO THE CARLSBAD PARKS REC DEPARTMENT, DOING WHAT THEY DO.

TONIGHT, I WANT TO URGE YOU TO KEEP THE TURF AT POINSETTIA A PARK.

CHANGING IT TO GRASS IS A NO GO.

IMAGINE OUR YOUTH TEAMS HUDDLED UP ON THE SIDELINES, GAMES CANCELED YET AGAIN BECAUSE RAIN TURNED GRASS FIELDS INTO SLIPPERY MUD PITS,

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DENYING OUR KIDS A CHANCE TO PLAY, BUILD SKILLS AND CREATE MEMORIES.

AS A PASSIONATE ADVOCATE, COACH, AND FATHER TO OUR COMMUNITIES, YOUNG ATHLETES, I URGE YOU STICK TO THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

IT'S A GAME CHANGER FOR SAFETY, BUT ALSO FOR AFFORDABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY.

FIRST TURF DELIVERS UNBEATABLE DURABILITY AND ACCESS.

WHILE GRASS LIMITS PLAY TO 600-800 HOURS YEARLY DUE TO WEATHER, WEAR AND TEAR, MODERN TURF SUPPORTS OVER 3,000 HOURS, EQUIVALENT TO THREE OR FOUR GRASS FIELDS, ENSURING YEAR ROUND ACTION WITHOUT CANCELLATIONS.

IN HIGH DEMAND AREAS LIKE FIELDS OF CARLSBAD, THIS RESILIENCE MEANS THE SURGING NEEDS FOR SOCCER AND OTHER SPORTS, KEEPING OUR KIDS ACTIVE AND PROGRAMS THRIVING.

ON SAFETY, NEW GENERATION TURF REDUCES RISK WITH CONSTANT SURFACE.

IN A 2025 PALO ALTO STUDY, SHOW LOCAL SOCCER CLUBS REPORTING 88 INJURIES ON GRASS FIELDS, WHILE THEY HAD 40 ON TURF, THANKS TO FEWER DIVOTS AND ALSO TRIPS.

PLUS ANOTHER 2024 STUDY, FOUND PLAYERS SUFFER LESS SEVERE CONCUSSIONS ON TURF DUE TO BETTER SHOCK ABSORPTION.

FOR DEVELOPING YOUTH, THIS MEANS SAFER PLAY, FEWER MISSED SEASONS, AND PEACE OF MIND FOR PARENTS.

ENVIRONMENTALLY TURF CONSERVES WATER, ESPECIALLY IN DROUGHT PRONE TIMES, ELIMINATES PESTICIDE RUNOFF HARMING OUR WATERWAYS THAT WILL HAPPEN AT POINSETTIA PARK BECAUSE I'M A NEIGHBOR, AND DRAINS INSTANTLY AFTER STORMS, UNLIKE GRASS THAT TURNS INTO BOGGY AND ROADS.

WITH ECO-FRIENDLY INFIELDS LIKE CORK, IT'S A SUSTAINABLE WIN.

IN 2024, EUGENE, OREGON, THEY REPLACED ALL THEIR GRASS FIELDS WITH TURF AND IT WELCOMED OVER ALMOST A QUARTER OF 1 MILLION MORE ADDITIONAL VISITORS GENERATING $13.4 MILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT THROUGH TOURNAMENTS AND EVENTS.

WE CAN DO THE SAME, BOOST TOURISM, JOBS, AND WE CAN HAVE COMMUNITY PRIDE.

COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T LET OUR OUTDATED GRASS FIELDS, HOLD OUR KID BACK.

KEEP THE POINSETTIA TURF TODAY AND TOMORROW FOR A SAFER, SMARTER, MORE VIBRANT FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. THANK YOU. IT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> KELLY MCNEIL, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL DUGGAN.

>> HI. I'M KELLY MCNEIL.

I GREW UP IN CARLSBAD, HAVE THREE KIDS WHO WENT THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

I ALSO HELPED RUN FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS WITH MY HUSBAND, TAD MCNEIL, WHO'S A TEACHER AT CARLSBAD HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE'RE BOTH ALUMNI, SO WE LOVE CARLSBAD.

WE LOVE THE CITY OF PARKS AND REC HERE.

I JUST WANT TO BASICALLY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF MY INSIGHT.

THE MAIN EMAILS THAT WE GET FROM PARENTS ARE HOW GRATEFUL THEY ARE, ESPECIALLY THE FIFTH GRADE THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE THAT THEY HAVE A PLACE TO BE ON FRIDAY NIGHTS.

THEY'RE NOT OUT DOING THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING GETTING INTO TROUBLE, THEY'RE PLAYING SPORTS.

IF YOU GO TO GRASS FIELDS, THAT CUTS ACCESS.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEALTHY KIDS, AND ALTHOUGH YES, PLASTICS, I AGREE ARE A PROBLEM AS A MOM, IT IS CONCERNING.

BUT WHAT ALSO IS CONCERNING IS WHERE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, AND WHEN YOU GIVE THEM MORE ACCESS BY DOING THE TURF FIELD AND MAKING CHANGES LIKE THIS COMPANY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND BY THE WAY, GRASS ALSO USES PESTICIDES AND HERBICIDE, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ALSO ARE DETRIMENTAL.

BUT WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THE ACCESS TO KIDS, AND THIS WILL BE A LOT OF HOURS THAT ARE CUT WITH GRASS FIELDS, IT'S JUST NOT A HEALTHY ALTERNATIVE.

GRASS DEFINITELY HAS THINGS THAT PROHIBIT KIDS FROM PLAYING AFTER RAINOUT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THEY HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE FIELDS FOR UP TO TWO DAYS.

THERE'S POTHOLES, THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THOSE GRASS FIELDS.

TURF DEFINITELY IS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE, AND IT DOES KEEP OUR KIDS HEALTHY AND SAFE, ESPECIALLY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT PLAYING FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS.

I JUST CONSIDER YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO MIND.

>> THANKS MICHAEL DUGGAN FOLLOWED BY JIM BARN HILL.

>> THANK YOU. CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR BLACKBURN MY NAME IS MICHAEL DUGGAN I'M 30 YEAR.

RESIDENTS HERE IN CARLSBAD AND WORKING HERE TOO.

I'M PART OF THE CITY SOCCER CLUB AND BEING COACHING THERE AND RUNNING THAT PROGRAM NOW FOR 30 YEARS.

I REMEMBER POINSETTIA WHEN IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL GRASS FIELD.

WE ALL TURNED UP TO WANT TO PLAY IN IT AND IT WAS A MARVELOUS FIELD.

12 MONTHS LATER, WE COULDN'T PLAY ON IT.

KIDS WERE BREAKING LEGS, KIDS WERE BREAKING ARMS, KIDS WERE ROLLING ANKLES, AND WE HAD TO CEASE PLAYING ON IT, IT CLOSED DOWN.

CLOSED DOWN FOR FIVE MONTHS WHILE THEY FIXED IT.

WITHIN 12 MONTHS, WE'RE BACK TO THE SAME SITUATION.

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IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR THE FACT, CITY SOCCER CLUB HAS 4,500 KIDS.

FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS, HAVE 2, 500 KIDS.

WE ONLY PLAY PRIMARILY ON FIVE FIELDS, AND THE FIVE TEAR FIELDS THAT WE HAVE TO PLAY ON.

WE SHOULD HAVE 10 FIELDS IN CARLSBAD BASED ON THE POPULATION, AND IT'S GETTING BIGGER.

YOU GO TO POINSETTIA FIELD RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S 100 KIDS RUNNING AROUND THAT FIELD AT 4:00-5:30.

THERE'S 100 KIDS RUN AROUND THAT FIELD 5:30-7:00.

THERE'S ANOTHER 100 KIDS RUNNING AROUND THAT FIELD 7:30-9:00 O'CLOCK.

THE SAME ON MONDAY, WE HAVE WEDNESDAYS, WE HAVE 120 KIDS RUNNING AROUND THAT FIELD.

FRIDAYS, FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS, HAVE FOUR SESSIONS BACK TO BACK WITH OVER 120 KIDS ON THE FIELD AT ONE TIME.

THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TURF FIELDS TO GO ROUND TO MEET THE SUSTAINABILITY OF WHAT WE NEED.

IF WE TURN AROUND RIGHT NOW AND GRASS THESE FIELDS, THEY'LL BE SHUT FOR FOUR MONTHS OUT THE YEAR.

KIDS WILL BE LEFT ON THE SIDELINES.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND RUN OUR PROGRAMS AS THEY ARE WE'LL HAVE TO TURN KIDS AWAY.

TOURNAMENT SEASON PROVIDES SO MUCH FOR THIS COMMUNITY, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, AND THEY ARE THE TIMES THAT THESE POST CLOSURES WILL BE JUNE, JULY AND DECEMBER.

I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW, THE NEW TURF PROPOSAL THAT'S BEING PUT IN IS A POSITIVE ONE.

IT'S A WAY OF KEEPING KIDS ACTIVE AND NOT DOING THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE DOING.

ALSO, IT'S THE BEST THING MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS COMMUNITY KEEP THE KIDS [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.

>> JIM BARNHILL FOLLOWED BY ROBIN COLE.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.

MY NAME IS JIM BARNHILL, RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD, AND VOLUNTEER PRESIDENT OF CITY SC CARLSBAD, WHICH MICHAEL JUST SPOKE TO, SERVES 4,500 OF CARLSBAD YOUTH.

I'M A PRODUCT HERE OF MAGNOLIA ELEMENTARY.

I'M HERE TODAY TO ADVOCATE FOR TURF REPLACEMENT AT POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK.

OUR MEMBERS WERE ENCOURAGED BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION EMAIL SENT LAST THURSDAY, IDENTIFYING A POTENTIAL PRODUCT TEN KATE THAT ANSWERS SOME OF THE HEALTH SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.

AS DIRECTOR LANCASTER STATED, "USER GROUP DEMAND OUTWEIGHS THE SUPPLY." THE CARLSBAD MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR 27 MULTI USE FIELDS BASED UPON THE CURRENT POPULATION.

EVEN WITH THE JOINT USE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WE FALL SHORT BY MORE THAN HALF.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT A GRASS FIELD SHOULD NOT BE COUNTED AS A FULL TIME EQUIVALENT FIELD BASED ON THE REDUCED USAGE.

THE CITY HAS APPROVED HUNDREDS OF NEW HOUSING UNITS THAT WILL BRING NEW ATHLETES, ADULT, AND YOUTH TO THE FIELDS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

BUT THERE IS NO MORE FLAT SPACE AFTER THE APPROVAL OF ROBERTSON RANCH THAT IS WITHIN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

CARLSBAD IS UNIQUE THERE'S NO MORE FLAT SPACE LEFT.

WITH THE DOWNTIME THAT GRASS INCURS, WE WILL PUSH OUT OUR OWN RESIDENTS UNLESS WE ARE PREPARED TO HAVE OUR ATHLETES PRACTICING AND PLAYING UNTIL 11:00 P.M AT NIGHT AND KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON THAT LATE THAT LIGHT UP THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND STAGECOACH, PINE, OLGA, AND AVIARA.

WE GET FREQUENT COMPLAINTS REGARDING HOW LATE WE ARE.

WE'RE OUT LIKE MICHAEL SAID TILL 9:30 AT NIGHT CURRENTLY.

I ASK THAT IF YOU'RE ON THE FENCE OF VOTING AND PLAN TO VOTE FOR GRASS TONIGHT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TABLE THE VOTE AND GO OUT TOMORROW NIGHT AND SEE HOW MANY PLAYERS THAT MICHAEL JUST SPOKE TO AT POINSETTIA.

I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME OUT SATURDAY AT STAGECOACH 1.

I WAS THERE THIS MORNING AND SEE THE UNDER EIGHT RECREATIONAL LEAGUE THAT WE HAVE THERE PLAYING ON STAGECOACH 1, THE GRASS FIELD ON SATURDAY.

I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU AFTER YOU LEAVE STAGECOACH TO GO TO AVIARA OAKS MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND GO TO PARK, GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SCHOOL TO THE BACKFIELD, AND SEE OUR COMPETITIVE TEAMS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO PLAY ON.

THESE GRASS FIELDS ARE DANGEROUS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

LASTLY, WE HAVE CLUB DAY ON SUNDAY AT POINSETTIA SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL.

WE INVITE YOU ALL TO COME IT'S OUR PICTURE DAY, OUR CLUB DAY.

COME WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH APPRECIATE IT.

>> ROBIN COLE, FOLLOWED BY MIKE MCMAHON.

>> GOOD EVENING I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS REALLY SHORT AND SWEET.

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MY NAME IS ROBIN COLE, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD AND A MOM OF FIVE GIRLS.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

MY DAUGHTER RYAN PLAYED COMPETITIVE SOCCER FOR 13 YEARS HERE IN CARLSBAD, PRACTICING THREE NIGHTS A WEEK AT POINSETTIA.

SHE HAS A SCHOLARSHIP AND IS FINISHING HER SENIOR YEAR ON THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH SOCCER TEAM.

ON HER SINGLE 2022 TEAM IN CARLSBAD, TEAMMATES LILY O'GRADY IS STILL PLAYING AT UNIVERSITY OF DENVER.

MADISON PINE AT OREGON STATE, CHLOE YATES AT UC SAN DIEGO, PAIGE GARDNER, AT UC RIVERSIDE, MARINA DOWNING, AT OAKLAND UNIVERSITY, MIA SCRANTON AT TEXAS A&M, GABBY PRITCH AT UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, ELLIE DAVIDSON AT DARTMOUTH AND ANNIE DEHON AT VIRGINIA TECH.

COUNTLESS GIRLS BEFORE AND AFTER RYAN, HAVE EARNED SCHOLARSHIPS AND PLAYED AT THE NEXT LEVEL, INCLUDING EMILY COLTON, THAT CURRENTLY PLAYS PROFESSIONALLY AND WAS A MEMBER OF THE US YOUTH NATIONAL TEAM.

THESE GIRLS WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT PLAYING ON THE GRASS FIELDS OF CARLSBAD.

THEY ENJOYED THE SPEED OF PLAY, A CONSISTENT PLAYING SURFACE AND STAYING HEALTHY.

ALL THAT TURF PROVIDES.

PLEASE CONSIDER REPLACING TURF WITH TURF. THANK YOU.

>> MIKE MCMAHON, FOLLOWED BY AMY SULLIVAN.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M MIKE MCMAHON, RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD.

OUR PARKS WHERE RESIDENTS GO TO VISIT NATURE, PLAN UNWIND.

EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEM KNOWING THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND GOOD FOR THEIR HEALTH.

WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF HAS EXPLORED TURF OPTIONS WITH BETTER RECYCLING POTENTIAL.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP.

ARTIFICIAL TURF SHOULD BE EVALUATED BASED ON ITS FULL LIFE CYCLE, ESPECIALLY LONG TERM IMPACTS OF THE MATERIAL THAT ULTIMATELY COVER LARGE AREAS OF OUR PARKS.

PRODUCING SYNTHETIC TURF IS HIGHLY ENERGY INTENSIVE AND COMES WITH A SIGNIFICANT CARBON FOOTPRINT.

AN AVERAGE 80,000 SQUARE FOOT FIELD CONTAINS 40,000 POUNDS OR 20 TONS OF PLASTIC GRASS AND BACKING.

ONCE INSTALLED AND IN USE, THE TURF SHEDS MICROPLASTICS AND LOOSE FIBERS UP TO 20,000 PER DAY THAT CAN AFFECT BOTH HUMAN HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

WIND AND STORM WATER RUNOFF SPREAD THESE PARTICLES BEYOND THE PARK AND INTO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

BECAUSE PLASTIC SURFACES RETAIN THE HEAT, THEY'RE, OF COURSE, MUCH HOTTER AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE RISK OF BURNS AND ADD TO THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.

COMPARED TO TURF, GRASS FIELDS STAY COOLER ON HOTTER DAYS BECAUSE THEIR BIOLOGICAL EVAPORATIVE EFFECTS BLEND NATURALLY WITH OUR PARK ENVIRONMENT.

THEY ALSO SUPPORT OUR CITY'S CARBON SEQUESTRATION GOAL SET IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND REFLECT THE DIRECTION LAID OUT IN OUR SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN BY MINIMIZING THE RELIANCE ON FOSSIL FUEL SOURCES.

ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT, WHEN YOU FACTOR IN INSTALLATION, MAINTENANCE, AND RENOVATION OVER 24 YEARS, THE COST FOR TURF AND GRASSES ARE NEARLY THE SAME.

GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IMPACTS AND WITH THE COST NEARLY THE SAME, I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT NATURAL GRASS FOR TURF REPLACEMENT FOR POINSETTIA PARK AND ALL FUTURE STAFF REPLACEMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> AMY SULLIVAN, FOLLOWED BY MARISSA BUNS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR BLACKBURN, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS AMY SULLIVAN, AND I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT, PARENT, AND ADVOCATE FOR SAFE, ACCESSIBLE RECREATIONAL SPACES.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TWO CHILDREN, AND OUR DAUGHTER IS A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL.

SHE'S CURRENTLY IN HER NINTH SEASON OF CLUB SOCCER AND SPENDS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME PRACTICING AND COMPETING AT POINSETTIA COMMUNITY PARK, OVER 150 DAYS LAST YEAR ALONE.

SHE'S ACTUALLY THERE AS WE SPEAK.

I'M HERE TODAY TO RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER REPLACING OUR AGING TURF FIELDS WITH NEWER, SAFER TURF TECHNOLOGY RATHER THAN REVERTING TO GRASS.

WHILE NATURAL GRASS MAY SEEM APPEALING, IT SIMPLY CANNOT MEET THE YEAR ROUND DEMANDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

TURF FIELDS PROVIDE CONSISTENT ACCESS, BETTER DURABILITY, AND A SAFER PLAYING SURFACE, ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT FOR INJURY PREVENTION, AND ATHLETE DEVELOPMENT.

TODAY'S TURF OPTIONS ARE VASTLY IMPROVED FROM THOSE INSTALLED YEARS AGO.

THEY OFFER NON-TOXIC MATERIALS, COOLER SURFACES, AND ENHANCED SAFETY FEATURES THAT ALIGN WITH THE HEALTH STANDARDS WE ALL WANT FOR OUR CHILDREN.

CHOOSING MODERN TURF IS NOT JUST A MAINTENANCE DECISION.

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IT'S A COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC HEALTH, EQUITY, AND THE FUTURE OF YOUTH SPORTS IN CARLSBAD.

AS A PARENT WHOSE CHILD SPENDS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS ON THESE FIELDS, I ASK YOU TO PRIORITIZE SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND LONG TERM COMMUNITY BENEFIT. THANK YOU.

>> MARISSA BUNS, FOLLOWED BY BOB WILCOX.

>> HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BLACKBURN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MARISSA BUNS, AND I HAVE TWO YOUNG BOYS.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TWO YOUNG BOYS, SIX AND NINE, AND THEY'RE JUST STARTING THEIR SOCCER JOURNEY.

I PICKED THEM UP FROM A SPORTS CAMP THIS SUMMER AT AVIARA'S TURF FIELD, AND I MUST SAY I WAS HORRIFIED.

I WALKED ON TO THE FIELD, AND MY EYE STARTED BURNING.

I WENT TO GO LOOK AT MY KIDS AND THEY WERE SICK WITH RED EYES, COUGHING, SNEEZING, HEADACHES THAT WAS REALLY TRAVELING TO ME.

THEN I LOOKED OUT AT THE FIELD AND I SAW ALL THE OTHER KIDS THAT WERE PLAYING AND THEY WERE COVERED IN BLACK SOOT, WHICH I THINK WE ALL KNOW IS TIRE CRUMPS SO DISINTEGRATED TIRES.

>> I SPENT DAYS RIDING MY CAR OF THOSE TINY BLACK PELLETS, WHICH PEOPLE THAT HAVE KIDS THAT PLAY SOCCER NOW, IT WAS REALLY CONCERNING TO ME.

I STARTED DIGGING INTO IT.

WE KNOW THE EPA AND CDC HAVE STUDIED THESE MATERIALS FOR YEARS.

THE RESEARCH CONFIRMS THAT TURF ENTIRE CHROME CONTAINS HUNDREDS OF CHEMICALS.

ALL THE BAD THINGS WE KNOW, CARCINOGENS, HORMONE DISRUPTORS, HEAVY METALS SUCH AS LEAD, WHICH THERE'S NO SAFE LEVEL FOR KIDS.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE DATA THAT'S OUT THERE SHOWS THAT THERE ARE STILL BIG GAPS.

THE EPA EVEN SAID, ADMITTED THAT THERE ARE NO LONG TERM STUDIES OF THE HEALTH IMPACTS, OF WHAT TURF FIELDS HAVE ON PEOPLE.

THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF THESE FIELDS.

WE ALREADY KNOW TODAY'S VOTE IS ON THE ADOPTION OF NEW PLANS FOR A TURF SYSTEM FOR POINT CATIA, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE TURF FIELDS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED TODAY.

I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN PAUSE AND TAKE A MINUTE TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THIS.

I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN THIS AND IF I'M THE ONLY ONE.

I'VE STARTED A CHANGE.ORG PETITION JUST TO SEE GAUGE WHAT THE TEMPERATURE WAS ON THIS, AND WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS, I ALREADY HAD 100 SIGNATURES.

PEOPLE DO CARE, AND I'M SEEING THAT TONIGHT TOO, AS PEOPLE ARE COMING IN SPEAKING.

THE CITY HAS TALKED ABOUT THE REASONS FOR NOT RETURNING TO GRASS, CITING PESTICIDES AND FERTILIZERS.

WE KNOW THAT CARLSBAD ALREADY DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF USING MORE ORGANIC PESTICIDES AND A LEADER IN THAT FIELD, WHICH IS GREAT.

BUT I REALLY THINK THAT AT THE SAME TIME, WE REALLY NEED TO EXPLORE WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS AND THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF TURF.

I THINK THE QUESTION THAT YOU CAN REALLY ASK YOURSELF IS, IF YOU WERE TO GO OUT ON THE FIELD, WHAT FIELD WOULD YOU?

>> BOB WILCOX, FOLLOWED BY KATHY PARKER.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTH CARLSBAD.

I'VE GOT A 4-YEAR-OLD SON WHO PLAYS SOCCER AT POINT CATIA AND AVR PARKS AND ANOTHER 2-YEAR-OLD THAT HOPEFULLY HE'LL GET INTO IT SOON.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THERE ARE A LOT OF IMPROVED SYNTHETIC PRODUCTS COMPARED TO THOSE NASTY RUBBER BEADS THAT WE ALL HATE TO CLEAN OUT OF OUR CAR AND SHOWER DRAIN.

BUT I STILL REALLY HOPE THAT MY KIDS WON'T BE PLAYING ON SYNTHETIC TURF FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS.

SYNTHETIC TURF IS REALLY ROUGH TO PLAY ON.

IT GETS SUPER HOT IN THE SUN AND YOU GET RUG BURN WHEN YOU SLIDE ON IT, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WEAR TIGHTS AND THAT MAKES YOU EVEN HOTTER.

THE WORST PART IS THE INJURIES.

LOWER LEG INJURIES HAVE BEEN FOUND TO BE MORE COMMON AND MORE SEVERE ON SYNTHETIC TURF THAN WITH GRASS.

I PERSONALLY HAD A SEVERE ANKLE SPRAIN ON SYNTHETIC TURF THAT I WAS ON CRUTCHES FOR THREE MONTHS.

ANKLE SPRAINS AND ACL TEARS ARE MUCH MORE COMMON ON SYNTHETIC TURF.

THIS IS WHY THE NFL PLAYERS ASSOCIATION HAS ACTUALLY PUSHED TO REPLACE TURF WITH GRASS FOR THIS REASON.

I UNDERSTAND WHY THE LEAGUE OPERATORS LIKE SYNTHETIC TURF BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO CANCEL A FEW GAMES, BUT IT'S NOT AS GOOD FOR THE PLAYERS.

ENVIRONMENTALLY INSTALLING TONS OF PLASTIC ON THE FIELD THAT EVENTUALLY

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NEED TO EITHER BITS OF THEM ARE GOING TO SEEP INTO THE GROUND.

A LOT OF THOSE BITS ARE GOING TO MAKE THEIR WAY HOME TO OUR HOUSES AND INTO OUR SHOWER DRAINS, AND THE REST OF IT IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE THROWN OUT.

PLASTIC IS NOT INFINITELY RECYCLABLE LIKE METAL OR GLASS OR SOMETHING THAT IS MORE EASILY RECYCLED.

IT'S USUALLY A ONCE THROUGH A THING WHERE IT TURNS INTO A PARK BENCH AND THEN IT GOES TO A LANDFILL.

I UNDERSTAND MANY OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND WATER CONCERNS ABOUT GRASS, BUT PUBLIC PLAYING FIELDS ARE THE ONE PLACE WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE GRASS, AS OPPOSED TO, IF WE WANT TO START GETTING RID OF GRASS, LET'S LOOK AT INCENTIVES FOR THE CITY TO HAVE COMPANIES TAKE OUT SOME OF THEIR GRASS AND REPLACE IT WITH DROUGHT RESISTANT LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS OPPOSED TO THE PUBLIC PLAYING FIELDS.

SUMMARY, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO REPLACE THE SYNTHETIC TURF ON THE FULL SIZE ATHLETIC FIELDS WITH GRASS. THANKS.

>> KATHY PARKER, FOLLOWED BY PAIGE DECINO.

>> HI. SOME OF THIS WILL BE A LITTLE REDUNDANT.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE GOING TO BE THIS MANY PEOPLE ADDRESSING THIS.

YOU'VE SEEN ME HERE BEFORE, USUALLY LOBBYING FOR A DECISION THAT WILL MAKE THE PLANET MY GRANT TO INHABIT.

>> PUT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. THANK YOU.

>> TODAY, I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE A DECISION THAT MIGHT COST THE CITY A LITTLE MORE.

I GUESS THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT, BUT WHEN WE MET WITH KYLE EARLIER, HE SAID THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT HELP REVERSE THE PLASTIC POLLUTED WORLD WE FIND OURSELVES IN.

YOU WILL HEAR VARIOUS REASONS WHY ARTIFICIAL TURF IS PREFERABLE TO THE REAL GROUND.

ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IS THAT MAINTAINING A GRASS FIELD IN TOP SHAPE IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A PLASTIC ONE.

I PROPOSE THAT AN ATHLETIC FIELD DOES NOT NEED TO BE PICTURE PERFECT TO BE ENJOYED.

I'VE WATCHED AND COACHED MY NOW 51 AND 54-YEAR-OLD SONS PLAY SOCCER ON FIELDS HERE IN CARLSBAD AND NEARBY FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS.

THEN I PLAYED MYSELF ON A WOMAN'S TEAM FOR OVER 30 YEARS IN THE NORTH COUNTY.

HARDLY ANY OF THESE GAMES WERE PLAYED ON ARTIFICIAL TURF.

SOME OF THE FIELDS WERE BETTER MAINTAINED THAN OTHERS, BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM TO LIMIT THE FUN.

IF ONE END HAD A PUDDLE IN FRONT OF THE GOAL, BOTH TEAMS HAD TO ENDURE IT BECAUSE THEY CHANGE AT HALFTIME.

IF THERE WERE BARE SPOTS OR LUMPY SPOTS, IT ADDS TO THE CHALLENGE.

THE FIELDS DO NOT HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVELY MAINTAINED TO FULFILL THEIR PURPOSE OF PROVIDING GREAT EXERCISE AND FUN TO THE PEOPLE PLAYING ON THEM.

I SUBMITTED AN ARTICLE TO YOU YESTERDAY REGARDING HOW HORRIFYING IT IS THAT PLASTICS HAVE ALREADY INVADED OUR BODIES.

THEY ARE FOUND IN SPINAL FLUID AND BREAST MILK.

THEY ARE FOUND IN THE OCEANS, IN THE GRASS AND PLANTS THAT WE EAT, THE ANIMALS THAT FEED ON THOSE PLANTS THAT MANY OF US ALSO EAT.

I IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE A STAND TO REVERSE THIS BY KEEPING PLASTICS OUT OF THE LAND AND LANDFILL HERE IN CARLSBAD AND NOT ADD TO THE PROBLEM.

>> PAIGE DECINO, FOLLOWED BY JAN NEFF-SINCLAIR.

>> HI, MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY STAFF.

MY NAME IS PAIGE DECINO.

WELL, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED ARTIFICIAL TURF PIVOT IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER PAST PRODUCTS.

IT IS NONETHELESS A PLASTIC.

AS OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT, LIKE KATHY, MICROPLASTICS ARE PERVASIVE IN OUR BODIES, AND THE RESEARCH INTO THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS WASTE PRODUCT IN HUMANS IS SORELY LACKING.

SINCE WORLD WAR II, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SYNTHETIC COMPOUNDS HAVE BEEN REGISTERED WITH THE US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY.

DEPENDING UPON THE SOURCE, AS LITTLE AS 10% OF THOSE CHEMICALS HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR TOXICITY.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL ISSUE OF SYNERGY BETWEEN ALL THESE CHEMICALS OUR BODIES ARE EXPOSED TO.

THE PIVOT TURF SEEMS TO BE FREE OF P FACES, HEAVY METALS, AND VOCS, WHICH SOUNDS GOOD, BUT IT IS STILL A PLASTIC AND WILL DEGRADE DURING THE USE TO SOME EXTENT.

IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE CLASS I TAUGHT, STUDENTS LEARNED ABOUT THE PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE.

"AN APPROACH TO DECISION MAKING, PARTICULARLY IN PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT THAT ADVOCATES FOR PREVENTATIVE ACTION IN THE FACE OF UNCERTAINTY WHEN THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SERIOUS HARM TO HUMANS OR THE ENVIRONMENT.

IT SUGGESTS THAT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF RISK, PROACTIVE PREVENTATIVE MEASURES SHOULD BE TAKEN TO AVOID THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE,

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OPERATING ON THE IDEA THAT BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY..

THIS PRINCIPLE OFTEN REQUIRES THE PROPONENTS OF AN ACTIVITY TO DEMONSTRATE ITS SAFETY, THEREBY SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO SHOW THAT AN ACTION WILL NOT CAUSE HARM." I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE CITY TAKE THIS APPROACH.

LET'S ALSO NOT FORGET THAT PLASTICS ARE A BYPRODUCT OF THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY, WHICH IS PRIMARILY LINKED TO CLIMATE CHANGE.

IF WE CALL PIVOT OF VIRGIN PRODUCT BECAUSE IT'S NOT USING RECYCLED MATERIALS, THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY USING A PRODUCT THAT ESSENTIALLY PROMOTES THE USE OF FOSSIL FUELS.

PLEASE DON'T APPROVE THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL TURF AT POINT CATIA FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU.

>> JAN NEFF-SINCLAIR, FOLLOWED BY DIANE WILKIE.

>> HI, MY NAME IS JAN NEFF-SINCLAIR.

I'M A 35 YEAR RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD.

I WAS READING THE COMMUNITY VISION CORE VALUES TODAY.

THREE OF THEM APPLY TO THIS DECISION.

FIRST ONE IS NUMBER 2, OPEN SPACE IN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

IF WE KEEP THAT, ARTIFICIAL TURF, SYNTHETIC TURF, ALL WE'RE DOING IS ADDING TO UNNATURAL THINGS TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

HOW MANY PLACES ALREADY HAVE THIS? I THINK WHEN THEY WERE DOING THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY LISTED PARKS, AND THEN THEY LISTED A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HAD ARTIFICIAL TURF.

MY LIMITED RESEARCH JUST SHOWED FIVE PARKS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S EVERYWHERE.

THE 3RD CORE VALUE IS ACCESS TO RECREATION AND ACTIVE HEALTHY LIFESTYLES.

SOMEHOW, WHEN WE'RE INFESTING OUR CITY WITH PLASTIC, THAT DOESN'T SEEM CONDUCIVE TO A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.

A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THESE ARE FOREVER CHEMICALS.

IF THEY EVER GO AWAY, NONE OF OUR RELATIVES WILL BE AROUND BECAUSE IT'LL BE THOUSANDS AND MAYBE MILLIONS OF YEARS IN THE FUTURE.

THEN THE 6TH CORE VISION OR CORE VALUE IS SUSTAINABILITY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPTION.

THIS IS THE PLANET WE HAVE, AND WE SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR SUSTAINABILITY, NOT DOING THINGS TO SAVE MONEY.

NOW, IF WE USE THE NATURAL TURF, FOR ONE, EVERYBODY'S MENTIONED THAT IT'S COOLER.

SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT THEIR KID LIKING TO PLAY IN WHAT THEY CALLED A GRASSY KNOLL OVER THERE.

WHEN THE CITY WAS GOING TO ELIMINATE IT, TONS OF PEOPLE BROUGHT THEIR CHILDREN IN TO SAY HOW MUCH THEY LIKE PLAYING IN THE GRASSY KNOLL, OR ADULTS CAME AND SAID HOW MUCH THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER, AND THE CITY WENT ALONG WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE LIKE TO USE.

NOW, FROM THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THIS TURF, WE DO WANT TO GO OVER THERE ON A HOT DAY AND ROLL AROUND IN IT.

I DON'T EVEN THINK I'D WANT TO ROLL AROUND IN THAT ON A COOL DAY.

NATURAL TURF IS SAFER.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THIS EXCESSIVE CARBON AND GRASS IS GRASS.

WE LIKE GRASS.

WE LIKE THAT IT'S GREEN.

IT'S CHEAPER LONG TERM BECAUSE IT'S WATERED WITH RECYCLED WATER.

PLACEMENT COSTS ARE LOWER, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IS LOWER, AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE HEALTH COSTS ARE, BECAUSE AS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE MENTIONED, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY REALLY LONG-TERM STUDIES ON THE IMPACT OF ALL THE PLASTIC IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

>> DIANE WILKIE FOLLOWED BY AARON JAFFE.

>> I BROUGHT SOME SHOW INTEL.

HOPEFULLY YOU ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

>> MA'AM, EACH OF US GOT A COPY OF THAT ALSO. WERE YOU A SCHOOL TEACHER?

>> I'M ACTUALLY A RETIRED ADVANCED PRACTICE NURSE WITH UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE DEGREES IN SCIENCE AND CREDENTIALS AS AN ADVANCED PRACTICE NURSE FROM USC SCHOOL OF MEDICINE.

[LAUGHTER] I'M DIANE WILKIE.

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I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF SAFE HEALTHY PLAYING FIELDS, AND ALSO I AM ALSO THE AUTHOR OF THE SIERRA CLUB, CALIFORNIA AND NATIONAL SIERRA CLUB RESOLUTIONS AGAINST SYNTHETIC TURF.

I WAS ALSO ON THE NATIONAL SIERRA CLUB TASK FORCE FOR A POLICY AGAINST SYNTHETIC TURF, SOMETHING THAT SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN OMITTED HERE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SAFE HEALTHY PLAYING FIELDS IS ASKING FOR YOU TO PIVOT AWAY FROM PLASTIC.

THERE IS NOTHING ECO-FRIENDLY ABOUT PLASTIC.

EACH FIELD LOSES 2-3,000 POUNDS OF MICROPLASTIC BLADES ALONE.

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE BACKING NOR THE UNDERLAYMENT PADS.

THIS PRODUCT HAS 16 TIMES MORE BLADES.

THINK OF THOSE 2-3,000 POUNDS PER FIELD PER YEAR, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 84,000 SQUARE FEET, CONCEIVABLY TIMES 16.

I ALSO SENT YOU A VIDEO IN THE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED YESTERDAY THAT WAS ALSO SIGNED OFF BY OUR ATTORNEY PRESIDENT OF SAFE HEALTHY PLAYING FIELDS, THAT HAS A VIDEO OF THIS PARTICULAR BRAND UP IN SAN JOSE AT JOHN MISO PARK.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE SHOCKED WHEN YOU SEE THE MICROPLASTIC BLADES THAT HAVE PASSED THE FIELD, OUTSIDE THE FENCING, OUTSIDE THE GUARDS ON THE FENCING, ACROSS THE PARKWAY IN THE SIDEWALK, BYPASSING THE BIOSWALES AND DOWN THE DRAINS.

THIS GOES RIGHT TO THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY.

THIS IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.

THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL ASSOCIATION HAS A RESOLUTION AGAINST TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM SYNTHETIC TURF, AS DO MULTIPLE OTHER MEDICAL AND RESEARCH ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE SANTA CLARA COUNTY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, THE CHILDREN'S ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH CENTER AT MOUNT SINAI HOSPITAL IN NEW YORK CITY, THE LANGONE CENTER AT NEW YORK IN NEW YORK CITY, PHYSICIANS FOR SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, CLIMATE CODE BLUE, PHYSICIAN ACTIVISTS, THE CONSORTIUM FOR CHILDREN'S ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, WHICH INCLUDES DR. TRACY WOODRUFF UP AT UCSF.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> JUST MOVE. WAS THAT 3 MINUTES? IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE 3 MINUTES.

LET'S GIVE AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS PUTTING THINGS DOWN FOR PART OF HER TIME. PLEASE CONTINUE.

>> THE SCIENCE [INAUDIBLE].

>> CAN YOU PLEASE TURN ON HER MICROPHONE.

>> WE HAVE THE SCIENCE.

WE KNOW THAT THESE FIELDS CAUSE CANCER.

WE KNOW THAT THEY CAUSE ENDOCRINE DISRUPTION AND CARDIAC AND METABOLIC DISORDERS.

THAT SCIENCE IS DONE.

IT'S BEING REPEATED, BUT IT'S DONE.

WE DO KNOW THAT THIS PRODUCT HAS PFAS.

IT HAS RECENTLY BEEN TESTED, AND THOSE FINDINGS WERE JUST SUBMITTED INTO THE SUPERIOR COURT IN NEW YORK STATE IN THE LAST 2-3 WEEKS, AND I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A PRESS RELEASE FORTHCOMING.

WE KNOW THAT THE INDUSTRY IS PLAYING WHACK A MOLE WITH CHEMICALS.

EVEN IF THERE WERE NO PFAS, THE ENTIRE FIELD IS MADE OF CHEMICALS.

UNLESS THEY GET RID OF THE PLASTIC, WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM, AND IT IS NOT RECYCLABLE.

TENKE DOES NOT HAVE RECYCLING.

NOBODY HAS RECYCLING.

I SENT YOU IMAGES OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN CALIFORNIA.

WE ARE THE NEW DUMPING GROUND FOR THESE USED FIELDS.

HOW LONG CARLSBAD GOING TO CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS AND ASK FOR TAXPAYERS TO [INAUDIBLE].

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> AARON JAFFE.

>> I'LL DO MY BEST. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS IAN JAFFE. I AM A RESIDENT OF SAN DIEGO, SABRE SPRINGS SPECIFICALLY.

I IN GREW UP IN RANCHO PENASQUITOS, AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN POWER, AS A HIGH SCHOOL PHOTO TEACHER, FOR 11 YEARS, AND AS A YOUTH SOCCER COACH IN THAT AREA, AND IN CARLSBAD FOR 16 YEARS.

I LIKE MANY OTHERS HAVE OPINIONS REGARDING THE IMPACT OF TURF AND NATURAL GRASS ON THE COMMUNITY, AND THOSE WITHIN.

RIGHT NOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESEARCH, AND ADVOCACY THAT HAS BEEN DONE COMPARES ARTIFICIAL SURFACES OF OLDER GENERATIONS, AS WELL AS MAINTAINED NATURAL SURFACES.

HOWEVER, THE REALITY OF MY EXPERIENCES WITH NATURAL SURFACES IS THAT THEY GO LONG STRETCHES WHERE THEY ARE UNMAINTAINED.

WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE NEEDS OF NATURAL SURFACES THAT DON'T GET DONE IN TIMELY MANNERS.

IF WE ACTUALLY BREAK IT DOWN TO A COST PER HOUR BASIS,

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I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT ARTIFICIAL SURFACES GET FAR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN NATURAL SURFACES PLUS THE ADDED MAINTENANCE.

THERE ARE, OF COURSE, LOGICAL AND UNDERSTANDABLE REASONS AS TO WHY THESE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET CLIMATE.

I, AS A TEACHER, KNOW THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

THE RESULT THAT WE FEEL IS THAT WE HAVE FIELDS THAT ARE JUST SIMPLY UNPLAYABLE, AND THEY'RE DANGEROUS TO PLAY ON.

I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH TORN LIGAMENTS, ANKLES, FRACTURES, ANKLE DISLOCATIONS, ALL DUE TO UNEVEN PLAYING SURFACES ON NATURAL FIELDS.

DUE TO NUMEROUS FIELD CLOSURES TO TRY AND FIX THE SITUATION I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH NOT HAVING ACCESS TO FIELDS, CONSISTENT FOR UPWARDS OF 3.5 YEARS, INCLUDING ONE THAT'S RIGHT BEYOND MY CLASSROOM.

ON MY WAY HERE, I PASSED SIX FIELDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNUSABLE DUE TO THEIR UNEVEN NATURE.

CAN'T PLAY COMPETITIVE SPORTS ON THEM KNOWING THAT WE'RE EXPOSING OUR KIDS TO RISK.

WHAT I'VE ADMIRED ABOUT CARLSBAD FOR YEARS HAS BEEN HOW TRULY THE CITY OF CARLSBAD PRIORITIZES THE NEEDS OF ALL OF ITS INHABITANTS, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT COME IN FROM OTHER PLACES.

WHERE I LIVE, CITY OF SAN DIEGO, THE CURRENT REALITY IS THAT THERE ARE SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH FIELDS FOR THOSE THAT ARE SEEKING TO USE THEM.

WE HAVE FOUR TEAMS CURRENTLY TRAINING AT POINT CITY RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S A LOCAL CLUB THAT HAS ABOUT EIGHT IN THAT SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE, WHICH IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN EXTREMELY JEALOUS OF CITIES LIKE CARLSBAD THAT REALLY FIGURED IT OUT, FOUND THIS TRUE BALANCE BETWEEN TAKING CARE OF ITS CONSTITUENTS AS WELL AS TAKING CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S TRULY BEEN ADMIRABLE. I HOPE THAT LISTENING TO EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION ALLOWS US TO TAKE PAUSE, AND REALLY TAKE A MEASURED AND RATIONAL APPROACH TO MAKING THIS DECISION.

I HOPE REMEMBER TO INCLUDE THE VOICES OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THAT ARE PLAYING ON THE FIELDS RIGHT NOW, THAT ARE SCATTERED AROUND THE COUNTY, AND THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO AN EMAIL TO SEND EVERYONE.

I HOPE THAT THEIR VOICES ARE CONSIDERED AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO SUFFER.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE FIELDS THAT THEY GET TO MAKE THEIR DREAMS AND MEMORIES FROM. THANK YOU.

>> NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. MR. SHIN.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, STAFF, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE.

WE HAD QUITE A LOT OF COMMENTARY THERE, SO IT'S REALLY GOOD TO GET ALL EVERYONE'S OPINIONS.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THIS NEW TURF HAS NO TIRE CRUMBS.

>> YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THEN THERE'S NOTHING REPLACING THE TIRE CRUMBS.

IT'S THE FACT THAT THIS NEW TURF IS ABLE TO WITHSTAND WHAT IS NOT NEEDED NOW IN THE TIRE CRUMBS.

>> YES, SIR. THERE IS NO TRADITIONAL INFILL.

THE TIRE CRUMB ESSENTIALLY IS A SHOCK ABSORPTION, AND THAT IS ACHIEVED WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM VIA THE PAD THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE SYNTHETIC TURF ITSELF.

IN THIS CASE, THERE IS WHAT'S CALLED A BALLAST, OR A BASE IN THE DEEP FIBERS.

TYPICALLY, THAT WOULD BE A SAND THEN INFILL ON TOP OF THAT, WHETHER THAT BE CRUMB RUBBER OR ANOTHER ORGANIC INFILL, SUCH AS WALNUT SHELLS.

IN THIS CASE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING A MINERAL PRODUCT THAT WAS REFERENCED HARVESTED FROM THE SEA THAT WILL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE SAND, AND HAVE A COOLING EFFECT VERSUS SAND OR ANY OTHER OF THE INFILL THAT I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO.

>> THANK YOU. THEN DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY, IF WE WERE TO GO TO GRASS, HOW MUCH WATER USAGE WE WOULD END UP USING?

>> YES, SIR. I'LL DEFER THAT TO, MR. REESE?

>> WE DO. SPECIFICALLY FOR THE POINT CITY, A PROJECT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 2,993,000 GALLONS THAT'S RECLAIMED.

>> THEN BEING IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, WE HAVE SPECIFIC DROUGHT LEVELS.

IF WE HIT CERTAIN LEVELS THROUGHOUT CERTAIN YEARS, DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO THEN NOT ALLOW WATERING TO OCCUR OR SPACE OUT THE TIME FOR WATERING?

>> FRANKLY, IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE RESTRICTION.

THE RESTRICTIONS FIRST AFFECT POTABLE WATER SOURCES AND THEN RECLAIM.

IN THE RECENT PAST, THE RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS POTABLE SOURCE, AND THEN THERE HAVE BEEN LIMITED RESTRICTIONS ON RECYCLED OR RECLAIMED WATER.

AS WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, MOST OF OUR FIELDS ARE WATERED WITH RECLAIMED.

HOWEVER, THE NORTHWEST WATER, IN PARTICULAR, DOES NOT YET HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR RECLAIMED.

THE NORTHWEST DISTRICT PARKS, TYPICALLY, ARE POTABLE WATER SOURCED.

IN THIS CASE, NEARBY PINE AVENUE PARK, AS AN EXAMPLE,

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THAT'S THE NEXT FIELD THAT WE COULD BE CONSIDERING, THAT IS A POTABLE WATER SOURCE.

>> GOT YOU. CARLSBAD WE HAVE THE IPM, THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN.

YOU WERE STATING THAT WE HAVE TO USE HERBICIDES, INSECTICIDES, FUNGICIDES, AND RODENTICIDES.

WE TRY THROUGH THE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO USE ORGANIC, AND NON-TOXIC CHEMICALS.

HOWEVER, JUST GIVEN THE NATURE OF TECHNOLOGY RIGHT NOW, ARE WE STILL IN A STATE WHERE WE ARE FORCED WITH LAWNS USING AS A PERFORMANCE FIELD, CHEMICALS THAT ARE TOXIC IF WE GO THE GRASS.

>> WE MUST ALWAYS GO THROUGH A PROGRESSION ON THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER WAS PART OF THE TEAM THAT CAME TO US SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND REQUESTED THAT WE GO TO WHAT IS GENERALLY REFERRED TO AS AN ORGANICS FIRST APPROACH.

ULTIMATELY, THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2017 AS OUR CURRENT CARLSBAD INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN.

IN GENERAL TERMS, YOU WOULD GO THROUGH A PROGRESSION OF BIOLOGICAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCES TO TRY AND ACHIEVE THE DESIRED EFFECT.

THEN YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT MANUAL OR MECHANICAL MEANS OF ADDRESSING THE PARTICULAR ISSUE.

AGAIN, WHETHER THAT BE A WEED, FUNGUS, AND INSECT.

ONLY THEN WOULD YOU THEN LOOK AT AN ORGANIC PESTICIDE? PESTICIDE HAS A BROAD TERM.

THAT IS ITSELF, MEANING INSECTICIDE, FUNGICIDE, RODENTICIDE, HERBICIDE.

ALL OF THOSE FALL UNDER THE LABEL OF PESTICIDE.

YOU WOULD GO TO ORGANIC FIRST.

IF THE ORGANIC IS EFFECTIVE, THEN YOU GO NO FURTHER.

IF THE ORGANIC IS NOT EFFECTIVE, WE MAY GO TO A MORE STRINGENT CHEMICAL, IF YOU WILL, A PRODUCT THAT YES IS GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS.

IT WILL ALSO POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE EFFECTIVE RESULTS ON CERTAIN PROBLEMATIC WEEDS AND OTHER AGAIN, INSECTS, FUNGUSES, ETC.

A CHEMICAL IS IN THE TOOLBOX, SO TO SPEAK.

IT IS DOWN LOWER.

YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROGRESSION IN ORDER TO SEE IF YOUR ISSUE CAN BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO USING THOSE CHEMICALS.

BUT YES, WE DO PERIODICALLY NEED TO USE CHEMICALS IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE FIELDS IN ACCEPTABLE PLAYING CONDITION.

SIMILARLY, WE DO FERTILIZE.

WE USE WHAT THEY CALL HYBRID FERTILIZER, SO THAT IS NOT FULLY ORGANIC, NOT FULLY SYNTHETIC.

AGAIN, THAT IS GENERALLY EFFECTIVE.

THERE ARE TIMES WHERE AGAIN, WE MAY NEED TO PROGRESS TO A FULL SYNTHETIC FERTILIZER.

WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO SO, IF WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROGRESSION IN THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN.

>> FIELD LIKE CALERA PARKS, WE CAN'T SAY THAT'S A TOXIC FREE ENVIRONMENT OF WHAT CHEMICALS THAT WE PROVIDE ONTO THAT FIELD.

>> I CAN'T SAY THAT IN ENTIRETY, AND THAT GOES FOR ANY OF OUR LANDSCAPES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN APPLIES TO ALL LANDSCAPES, AND FOR THAT MATTER, THE FACILITIES THAT WE ARE WITHIN AS WELL.

IF THIS FACILITY NEED TO BE TREATED FOR TERMITES, YOU'D NEED TO GO THROUGH A SIMILAR PROGRESSION.

IT APPLIES TO ALL CITY OWNED LANDSCAPES AND FACILITIES.

>> THEN JUST MY OBSERVATION FROM THE LOCATION OF THIS FIELD, IT'S LOCATED ON AN ELEVATION PLAN THAT IS ABOVE OPEN SPACE SURROUNDING ON ROUGHLY THREE SIDES OF IT.

>> CORRECT.

>> THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WE'LL HAVE RUNOFF THAT GOES WHEN WE APPLY SPRINKLERS AND RAIN DOWN TO THE OPEN SPACE AREA.

>> LET MR. STUPIN EXPAND ON THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT IS EXISTING ALREADY WITH THE SYNTHETIC TURF THAT'S CURRENTLY INSTALLED.

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. CURRENTLY, THERE'S A 15'' LINE THAT COMES OFF THE FIELD.

THERE'S SOME UNDER DRAINS WITHIN THE SURFACE THERE, HELP SOME OF THE RUNOFF FROM RAIN EVENTS.

THAT GOES THROUGH A SERIES OF CHAMBERS THAT CAPTURE SEDIMENTS ALONG THE WAY AND, ULTIMATELY, DOES GO OUT TO THE LARGER STORM CHANNEL, IT GOES THROUGH THE POINSETTIA PRESERVE.

THERE ARE MEASURES IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CRITICAL CORE SEDIMENT RUNOFF INTO THE PRESERVE, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A POTENTIAL RISK FOR ANY TYPE OF RUNOFF, BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS.

>> INTO OPEN SPACE, AND THEN THE REST OF THE WATER,

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LET'S JUST SAY IT'S A RAINING EVENT. GOES TO WHERE?

>> ULTIMATELY, GOES OUT TO THE OCEAN SEA.

>> GOT YOU. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, COUNCIL? MISS ACOSTA?

>> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND THANKS TO ALL WHO CAME OUT TO SPEAK.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE SLIDE, I THINK, IT WAS 19 WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS BEING FREE OF ADDITIONAL PFAS, AND I KNOW THAT PFAS ARE THE FOREVER CHEMICALS.

I KNOW THAT THEY'RE RELATED TO PLASTICS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S FREE OF ADDED PFAS VERSUS LIKE, IS THERE PFAS IN THE PRODUCT ITSELF AND IT'S FREE OF ADDED? [LAUGHTER] I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

>> THERE'S NO DETECTABLE, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S MEASURED.

THERE'S NO DETECTABLE PFAS CHEMICALS WITHIN THAT.

THERE'S ALSO CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN MANUFACTURING WHERE THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY, MAYBE NOT THE BEST WORD.

BUT THERE'S A INSTANCE WHERE, SOMETIMES, THROUGH A MANUFACTURING PROCESS, IT WOULD ADD THAT ELEMENT WITHIN THE MANUFACTURING OF THE SAID TURF.

THROUGH THE SYSTEM, THE LABORATORY TESTING THEY'RE SHOWING AS PARTS PER MILLION, THEY'RE NOT DETECTING ANY PFAS CHEMICALS.

AS IT WAS MENTIONED IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S THE FLUORIDE TEST THAT COMES OFF, THAT MEASURES THAT BINDER, THE ORGANIC BINDER FOR PFAS.

>> VERSUS OTHER ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT HAS BEEN FOUND TO HAVE THIS PFAS?

>> CORRECT.

>> GREAT. I KNOW FROM MY WORK IN WATER THAT PFAS IS THE LEVELS OF THE THRESHOLDS ARE LESS AND LESS ACCEPTABLE AS WE REALIZE HOW DEADLY PFAS ACTUALLY IS FOR THE HUMAN BODY.

WHAT ABOUT THE MICROPLASTIC SHEDDING? CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I REMEMBER THAT THE PERSON FROM THE SIERRA CLUB BROUGHT THE SAMPLE, AND ALSO TALKED ABOUT 16 TIMES THICKER BLADES.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR MICROPLASTIC SHEDDING?

>> IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MANUFACTURER, WE BROUGHT THIS UP AND ASKED THAT QUESTION.

THEY SHOWED US LABORATORY TESTING THAT SHOWED THAT THERE WAS NOT SIGNIFICANT SHEDDING UNDER ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT, THE COMPRESSION OF NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR OF THE FIELD USAGE.

THEN THE LABORATORY TESTING ALSO SHOWS THAT FROM THE DRAINAGE OF THE FIELD DURING RAIN EVENTS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF WATER ON TOP, THERE'S NO DETECTABLE PFAS CHEMICALS IN THAT WATER.

>> THAT WAS FROM THE VENDOR.

DO WE HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION THAT, THAT IS SO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT TO US?

>> WE DON'T. WE HAVE NOT INDEPENDENTLY STUDY, BUT IT'S NOT AN INTERNAL LAB TO THE COMPANY.

>> I DID HEAR THE SPEAKER TALK ABOUT THE LAWSUITS AND THE THINGS THAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THE PRODUCT.

WHAT ABOUT THE 40 LOCATIONS? I THINK THERE WAS A SLIDE, PERHAPS ON THAT, TOO, 40 OTHER INSTALLATIONS, AND THE TWO IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY, ONE AT LEO CARRILLO RANCH ELEMENTARY, AND THE OTHER IN SANTEE.

I'M WONDERING IF WHEN THE 40 WERE PUT INTO PLACE, AND IF WE HAVE ANY LONG TERM VIEW OF HOW THIS PRODUCT, THE TENCATE PIVOT PRODUCT IS DOING.

>> IT'S A FAIRLY NEW PRODUCT.

THE SANTEE WAS INSTALLED IN 2024, AND THE LEO CARRILLO ELEMENTARY WAS INSTALLED JUST THIS YEAR EARLIER THIS YEAR, A FEW MONTHS AGO.

WHEN WE VISITED THE FIELD IN SANTEE, IT SHOWED NO SIGNS OF DEGRADATION.

IT FIELD IS STILL IN GREAT SHAPE.

WE TALKED TO THE FACILITY MANAGER, AND HE HAD NOTHING BUT GLOWING REVIEWS IN TERMS OF ITS HOLDING UP TO THE SUBSTANTIAL WEAR AND TEAR OF THE MANY USERS THAT THEY HAVE ON THAT FIELD.

>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S ONLY BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE FOR 10-12 YEARS BEFORE BEING REPLACED; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT'S THE WARRANTY PERIOD. [BACKGROUND]

>> THE WARRANTY PERIOD. WHAT ABOUT THE HEAT CONCERNS? I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT I ALSO HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THE HEAT OF THIS PLASTIC GRASS WOULD REACH 150 DEGREES.

WHAT ELSE ARE WE HEARING, FROM THIS MANUFACTURER, ABOUT THIS PRODUCT AND THEIR HEAT LEVELS?

>> AGAIN, A GOOD COMMENT, GOOD QUESTION.

THERE ARE STUDIES THAT SHOW THE CHROME RUBBER THAT ACTUALLY HOLDS THE HEAT BECAUSE IT IS A RUBBER, SO IT CAN WITHSTAND THAT ADDS TO THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.

WITH THE ELIMINATION OF YOU HAVE SLIDE PREPARED FOR THIS, ACTUALLY, WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THAT CHROME RUBBER, IT SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASES THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE IN AND AROUND THAT TURF.

DUE TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE TURF BLADES ITSELF,

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IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T RETAIN THE HEAT IN THE SAME WAY THAT TRADITIONAL BLADES ARE LAID OUT.

ADDITION TO THE BLADE STRUCTURE OF THIS PRODUCT, THE PIVOT COOL, THE BALLAST SYSTEM THAT'S THERE, THE MINERAL ACTUALLY HAS A WICKING COMPONENT TO IT.

I BELIEVE IT ALSO HAS AN INSULATION FACTOR TO IT, SO IT DOESN'T RETAIN THE HEAT IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE SAND WOULD.

WITH ALL THIS, THEY RECENTLY DID A STUDY ON FIELDS IN NEVADA THAT SHOWED A 30+ DEGREE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CHROME RUBBER FIELDS.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE? I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK? THERE WAS AN ACRONYM THERE.

I SAID SBR THE SLIDE THAT YOU JUST HEAD UP THAT ONE.

YES. THAT SBR WITH THE ORANGE LINE.

IS THAT OTHER ARTIFICIAL TURF?

>> THAT'S THE CHROME RUBBER.

>> THAT'S THE CHROME RUBBER AND THEN PIVOT AND PIVOT GEOCOOL ARE THE TWO PRODUCTS THAT WE AT LEAST PIVOT IS A PRODUCT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, AND AMBIENT MEANS NATURAL GRASS?

>> AMBIENT MEANS THE AIR TEMPERATURE.

IF YOU WERE TO MEASURE ACTUAL GRASS AS WELL, THERE WOULD BE ABOUT A 15 DEGREE USUALLY BUMP IN TERM.

>> HIGHER THAN THE AIR.

THEN WHERE DID WE GET THAT INFORMATION? IS THIS FROM THE VENDOR TOO?

>> THIS IS FROM THE VENDOR AS WELL.

>> THEN JUST QUICK FOLLOW-UP, SO THIS PRODUCT IS SOMEWHAT NEW.

WE JUST SAID THAT IT'S ONLY BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE 2023, AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IS PUT IN SANTE IN 2024, BUT THE COMPANY IS 300-YEARS-OLD.

DID THEY NOT PROVIDE ANY OTHER ARTIFICIAL TURF OR THIS IS JUST THEIR NEW PRODUCT, AND THEY HAVE MANY OTHER ARTIFICIAL TURF?

>> THEY DO MANUFACTURE MANY OTHER TYPES OF SYNTHETIC TURF.

A LOT OF THEM FOLLOW THE SAME.

I'D SAY A LOT OF THEM, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM, BUT MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ALL PFAS-FREE.

THEY FOLLOW THE SAME THING, AND BEING AROUND FOR 300 YEARS, THEY ARE FABRIC MANUFACTURER TO BEGIN WITH.

THROUGH THAT UNDERSTANDING GEOTEXTILES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY THEN EVOLVED INTO NEW TECHNOLOGY AND SYNTHETIC TURF BEING ONE OF THEM.

>> INTERESTING. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

THEN BACK TO THAT SIDE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT WITH THE BALLAST.

I WAS VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS MATERIAL IS NOT SAND AND IT'S OCEAN DERIVED, AND I WAS WONDERING ABOUT DUST AND BREATHING IT IN.

CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT? I READ IT.

I READ WHAT IT SAYS, BUT MAYBE YOU COULD DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE MINERAL PRODUCT.

>> THIS ONE AND COMPARED TO LIKE A SILICA SAND, IT HAS A LOT LESS MIGRATION FROM WIND, SO WIND DRIVEN MIGRATION, SO THE WINDS NOT GOING TO BLOW IT.

DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE BALLAST WITHIN THE TURF SYSTEM, IT'S PRETTY WELL HIDDEN.

YOU REALLY DON'T COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE BALLAST.

IF YOU'RE MAKING A SLIDE INTO THE FIELD.

DURING HEAVY RAIN EVENTS, IT'S ALSO REPORTED THAT THE BALLAST DOES NOT MOVE.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. THEN I REMEMBER THAT CROSS SECTION SLIDE THAT YOU HAD THE THICK PLASTIC GRASS AND THEN THE BALLAST.

UNDERNEATH THAT, THERE WAS AN ATTENUATION PAD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND YOU ALSO CALL THAT A SHOCK PAD, AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THE COMPOSITION IS OF THE SHOCK PAD. IS IT FOAM?

>> IT IS. I PREPARED A SLIDE FOR THAT AS WELL.

THIS IS A POLYPROPYLENE CORE.

POLYPROPYLENE CAN BE RECYCLED.

THIS FROM ITS INCEPTION TO ITS COMPLETION, IT CAN BE USED AS SECONDARY PRODUCTS IT'S USED AS A FOAM PAD AFTER 25 YEARS.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY INCLUDE SOME OF THE PIPES WE MAY SEE WITHIN A PARK FOR IRRIGATION.

>> THANK YOU. AND POLYPROPYLENE, IS THAT PLASTIC TOO?

>> YES.

>> JUST CHECK IN, SO ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TONS OF PLASTIC, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE KNOW WHAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, ONE INSTALLATION, HOW MANY TONS OF PLASTIC WOULD THAT BE THAT WE'RE LAYING DOWN?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE ACTUAL TONNAGE OF THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO COMMENT TO IN TERMS OF A RECYCLING CENTER.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND.

THE QUESTION WAS JUST HOW MANY TONS OF PLASTIC WILL WE LAY DOWN FOR JUST THIS ONE FIELD? WE DON'T KNOW.

>> ACTUALLY WE COULD GET BACK TO YOU. WE DO KNOW IT'S 120,000 SQUARE FEET.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. I KNOW I WROTE IT DOWN, BUT I ALREADY CAN'T FIND IT.

AS FOR RECYCLING, I DID SEE RECYCLING, AND I ALSO SAW A SLIDE 23 ZERO-WASTE PROCESS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM WHAT A ZERO-WASTE PROCESS IS BECAUSE I SAW THAT THERE.

I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THE PRODUCT AFTER INSTALLED WOULD BE FULLY RECYCLABLE.

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BUT OF COURSE, THERE'S MANY TONS OF PLASTIC, WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT IT'S A LOT OF PLASTIC THAT IS PUTTING DOWN, SO THAT'S NOT ZERO-WASTE.

YOU'RE CREATING IT, YOU'RE CREATING A PLASTIC FIELD AND THEN YOU'RE RECYCLING IT.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A NATURAL PRODUCT THAT EXISTS IN NATURE.

WHAT IS THE ZERO-WASTE PROCESS? I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION HOW IS IT RECYCLED?

>> I CAN TALK TO THE CURRENT PROCESS AND ABOUT THE FUTURE ENDEAVORS OF WHAT TENCATE HAS PRESENTED TO US.

THE CURRENT PROCESS IS THAT THERE'S A RECYCLING CENTER OUT OF BET ROUGE IN LOUISIANA AND THEY WILL TAKE THAT TURF INTO THE RECYCLING CENTER.

IT'S A LABORIOUS PROCESS, BUT THEY GO THROUGH THE EFFORT AND BREAK APART THE SYSTEM REMOVING THE BLADES FROM THE MAT.

BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PLASTICS.

THEY THEN PUT THOSE THROUGH DIFFERENT TREATMENTS TO DERIVE WHICH INDIVIDUAL PLASTIC IS FROM, AND THEN THEY DIVERT THAT TO ANOTHER THING THEN REUSE IT AS A NEW PRODUCT FOR.

AS SOMEONE MENTIONED A PARK BENCH OR OTHER SERVICES AND NAILER BOARD.

THE NEW PRODUCT THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

AGAIN, THAT PROCESS WILL YIELD ABOUT 94% OF THE PRODUCT DELIVERED AS RECYCLABLE MATERIAL.

THE NEW PRODUCT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING IT TO BE NEARLY 100%.

WE'RE CALLING 99%.

THEY HAVE YET TO RECYCLE ANYTHING DUE TO THE NEWNESS OF THIS PRODUCT.

BEING LESS THAN FIVE YEARS IN THE MARKETPLACE.

BUT WITH THAT PRODUCT, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING TO BE NEARLY 100% DUE TO ITS COMPOSITION OF THE BLADES BEING ONE TYPE OF PLASTIC AND THEN THE MAP BEING TWO TYPES OF PLASTIC.

>> THANK YOU. JUST TO FOLLOW-UP ON WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY, BECAUSE IT'S A NEW PRODUCT, THE COMPANY IS ANTICIPATING 100% OF THEIR PRODUCT WOULD BE RECYCLABLE RECYCLED, BUT THEY HAVE NOT DONE IT YET.

>> THEY HAVE NOT HAD TO DO THAT YET.

>> THEY HAVE NOT HAD TO DO IT YET BECAUSE IT WOULD BE 10-12 YEARS AFTER INSTALLATION THAT THEY WOULD TAKE IT OUT, RECYCLE IT, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN AROUND THAT LONG, SO THEY'VE NOT DONE IT YET, SO THEY'RE ANTICIPATING IT WOULD BE 100% RECYCLABLE.

IT'S A CLAIM. IT'S NOT VERIFIABLE QUITE YET.

THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD PUT IT ON SOME A TRUCK AND DRIVE THESE TONS OF PLASTIC TO BATON ROUGE WHERE THEY HAVE A RECYCLING PLANT.

>> THAT IS THE CURRENT PROCESS AND THEN THE FUTURE PLANS THERE IS ANTICIPATION OF OPENING A WEST COAST FACTORY, SO WITH THAT WEST COAST FACTORY REALLY GREATLY SHORTEN THE TRANSPORT OF THAT MATERIAL.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. IN THE 10 OR 12 YEARS THAT ARTIFICIAL FIELDS EXIST, HOW ARE THEY CLEANED? WHAT IS THE CLEANING PROCESS DURING THAT TIME?

>> I WILL START AND ASK MR. REESE TO CONTINUE.

WE USE AN ANTIMICROBIAL SPRAY.

WE'VE INSTRUCTED OUR CONTRACTOR VIA SPECIFICATIONS TO APPLY THIS ANTIMICROBIAL QUARTERLY, AND THEN WE ALSO INSTRUCT THE CONTRACTOR TO PROVIDE A WATER RANTS BI ANNUALLY.

MR. REESE CAN PROVIDE FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE ANTIMICROBIAL AS WELL.

>> THE ANTIMICROBIAL PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY A CRUSTACEAN SHELL PRODUCT.

THAT'S THE PRODUCT WE'RE SPECIFYING RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S A NATURAL PRODUCT AND STABLE.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM YOU SAY CRUSTACEAN SHELL, LIKE CRAB SHELL, LIKE SHRIMP, LOBSTER, CRUSTACEA.

>> NO PROBLEMS WITH ALLERGIES, EITHER.

>> REALLY? THAT'S SO FUNNY.

SHELLFISH ALLERGIES RUN RAMPANT IN MY FAMILY, SO I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT HOW ALL THAT WORKS, BUT OKAY.

THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH THE IPM TO ADVANCE TO A A SYNTHETIC PRODUCT, IF NECESSARY FOR CLEANING PURPOSES.

>>THANK YOU. I ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN, BUT I THINK THOSE WERE ALREADY ASKED AND ANSWERED, SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT COSTS.

I THINK THAT SLIDE 36, AND WE TALKED ABOUT COSTS BEING SOMEWHAT EVEN BETWEEN THESE TWO, BUT I NOTICED IT'S ONLY THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND THAT THAT REPLACEMENT WITHOUT PAD, IT GETS LIKE THE THIRD COLUMN AND THE FIFTH COLUMN, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER $2 MILLION TO ADD THE PAD, BECAUSE THE PAD NEEDS TO BE REPLACED EVERY OTHER TIME, IS THAT RIGHT? CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT FOR ME?

>> CERTAINLY. THE TURF ITSELF,

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WHICH WE SOMETIMES REFER TO AS A CARPET BECAUSE IT HAS BACKING LIKE A CARPET, THAT HAS A 12-YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD, SO THE ATTENUATION PAD UNDERNEATH THE SYNTHETIC TURF ITSELF HAS A 25-YEAR WARRANTY.

THEREFORE, YOU CAN HAVE TWO ROUNDS OF THE SYNTHETIC TURF IN THE SAME WARRANTY PERIOD AS THE ATTENUATION PAD.

THE 1,900,000 YOU REFERENCED A MOMENT AGO WOULD BE FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SYNTHETIC TURF AFTER 12 YEARS WITHOUT HAVING TO REPLACE THE PAD BECAUSE IT IS STILL VIABLE FOR ANOTHER CYCLE.

>> HOW MUCH IS IT WITH THE PAD?

>> IF YOU REPLACE THE PAD AT THE SAME TIME?

>> YES.

>> CURRENT VALUES, AND I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

THESE ARE CURRENT DAY FIGURES.

THERE'S NO INFLATION BUILT INTO THESE.

THE CURRENT COST OF THE PAD IS APPROXIMATELY $300,000 BASED ON OUR ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO INFLATION BUILT IN AND THERE'S NOT FOR THE NATURAL GRASS SIDE EITHER, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE WOULD BE SOME INCREASES IN MAINTENANCE AND SALARIES AND THINGS.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> BECAUSE THAT WOULD EMPLOY PEOPLE TO DO MAINTENANCE LOCALLY.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. THANKS.

>> MS. BHAT-PATEL.

>> YES, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU TO FOLKS THAT WROTE IN, FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE FEEDBACK.

A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I HAD AND MANY OF THEM WERE ANSWERED WITH REGARDS TO THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT, SOME OF THE COST QUESTIONS.

I HEARD SOME OF THOSE ALREADY BEING ASKED, SO I'LL JUST STICK TO THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN.

ONE QUESTION THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IF YOU COVERED THIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE REITERATE IT.

IF WE WERE TO MOVE WITH GRASS, JUST CURIOUS ON THE DOWNTIME IN BETWEEN MAINTENANCE, WHAT THAT GENERALLY LOOKS LIKE AND THEN OVERALL CUMULATIVELY OVER THE YEAR, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WELL.

>> YES, MA'AM. ONCE AGAIN, I WILL START AND THEN ASK MR. REESE TO EXPAND.

BUT WE GENERALLY HAVE TWO FIELD CLOSURE PERIODS SCHEDULED ONE DURING THE SUMMERTIME, AND THAT IS TYPICALLY ABOUT FIVE WEEKS IF WE CAN MANAGE THAT.

FRANKLY, WE WORK WITH OUR RECREATION DIVISION IN ORDER TO GET A AMPLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO ALLOW FOR THE RENOVATION PROCESS.

THAT'S VERTCUING, A RATING, FERTILIZING, RESTING AS NECESSARY, AND THEN ALLOWING A GROW IN PERIOD, A REST PERIOD, IF YOU WILL.

SOMETIMES WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO GET FOUR WEEKS, BUT WE TRY AND GET FIVE DURING THE SUMMER, DURING THE WINTER PERIOD, WE ALSO TRY AND GET A SHORTER DURATION FOR SIMILAR RENOVATIONS.

THAT'S TYPICALLY 2-3 WEEKS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET, AND THAT'S OFTEN DURING THE HOLIDAY PERIOD WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY INVOLVED IN PROGRAM SPORTS.

IF YOU TAKE FIVE WEEKS IN THE SUMMER, ANOTHER THREE WEEKS IN THE WINTER, THAT'S SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE, EIGHT WEEKS.

WE'VE ALSO CONSERVATIVELY ACCOUNTED FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS OF CLOSURES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FOR UNSCHEDULED RAIN EVENTS.

OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO VARY YEAR TO YEAR, DEPENDING ON THE SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR RAINFALL.

THE MORE RAIN WE HAVE, THE MORE LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXTENDED CLOSURES.

TYPICALLY, YOU ARE NOT AT LEAST A MODERATE OR ABOVE RAIN EVENT ABLE TO PLAY IMMEDIATELY AFTER.

YOU NEED TO ALLOW THE FIELD TO DRY IN ORDER FOR YOU TO HAVE SAFE PLAYING CONDITIONS.

AGAIN, LESS PONDING OR PUDDLING, SLIPPERY CONDITIONS, ETC.

WE HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION, REFERENCED A ONE TO TWO DAY PERIOD AFTER SIGNIFICANT RAIN WHERE OUR STAFF WILL ASSESS THE FIELD, DETERMINE IF IT'S PLAYABLE, AND THEN PROVIDE THAT OPENING FOR OUR USER GROUPS.

WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS AGAIN ON A CONSERVATIVE BASIS FOR SUCH CLOSURES, SO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE EIGHT WEEKS THAT I MENTIONED FOR SCHEDULED FIELD RENOVATIONS PLUS TWO WEEKS FOR UNSCHEDULED CLOSURES DUE TO RAIN EVENTS.

THAT'S A TOTAL OF 10 WEEKS OUT OF 52 WEEKS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE 80% AVAILABILITY.

AGAIN, THAT IS NOT THE CASE WITH SYNTHETIC TURF.

GENERALLY, YOU'RE ABLE TO PLAY ON SYNTHETIC TURF DURING RAIN EVENTS OF A LIGHT TO MODERATE LEVEL.

IF IT'S AN EXTREME DELUGE,

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YOU MAY NEED TO STOP, AND THEN LITERALLY WITHIN AN HOUR, YOU CAN TYPICALLY PLAY ON SYNTHETIC TURF AGAIN.

THE MAINTENANCE PERIODS ARE MINIMAL FOR THE ANTIMICROBIAL SPRAYING THAT I MENTIONED, USUALLY NO MORE THAN A FEW HOURS AT A TIME, AND THAT'S OFTEN DONE IN THE MORNING WHEN THE USER GROUPS ARE NOT PROGRAMMED FOR THAT PLAY.

>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS HELPFUL AND COMPREHENSIVE. APPRECIATE THAT.

WITH REGARDS TO THE COST, I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT WATER USAGE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT GRASS AND WAS IT ALMOST IT WAS 2.99 WASN'T IT 02,993,000 IF I WROTE THAT CORRECTLY GALLONS OF WATER, AND IT'S RECLAIMED.

REGADLES, IF YOU COULD SHARE AROUND WHAT COST COULD LOOK LIKE? IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE MAINTENANCE COST? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE THINKING OF AS WELL.

>> IT IS INCLUDED IN THE MAINTENANCE COST WE PRESENTED TONIGHT, BUT WE DID BREAK IT OUT FOR YOU SEPARATELY.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY $17,725 ANNUALLY, AND THAT'S AT A MODERATE WATERING RATE.

>> I KNOW THE QUESTIONS AROUND WATERING SCHEDULE, ETC WERE ASKED.

ONE OF THE THINGS WITH REGARDS TO THE OUTREACH, I KNOW WE DID A LOT OF EXTENSIVE OUTREACH FOR THIS AS WELL.

I HAD SEEN THE EMAIL BLASTS, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WENT OUT.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WANTED TO HEAR FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS, AND IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S OKAY, BUT JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU WERE HEARING, WHETHER IT WAS MORE IN FAVOR OF ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, OR IT WAS EQUIVALENT.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR IF YOU HAD ANY NUMBERS ON THAT AT ALL.

>> NO, MA'AM, WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS.

WE DID NOT TRACK THE RESPONSES.

>> AGAIN, AT A VERY HIGH GENERAL LEVEL, THE RESPONSES THAT I'VE RECEIVED OR THE CONTACTS THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF HAVE GENERALLY BEEN FAVORABLE TO SYNTHETIC TURF FROM THE USER GROUP REPRESENTATIVES.

THEY HAVE BEEN MORE FAVORABLE TO NATURAL GRASS FROM THE SIERRA CLUB MEMBERS THAT MR. STUPIN AND I MET WITH ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO.

BUT THAT IS THE EXTENT OF ANY TRACKING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.

I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE I ASKED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

I CLEARLY TOOK A LOT OF NOTES, SO I'M JUST GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

YES, I THINK I'VE ASKED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

IT'S NOW JUST COMMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> COMMENTS, WE'LL START WITH YOU, MR. SHIN.

>> THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD CONVERSATION.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET EVERYTHING RIGHT IN A SENSE.

THIS IS A BALANCE BETWEEN HOW WE TREAT OUR ENVIRONMENT, THE PLAYABILITY OF WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS AND THEIR PLAYER HEALTH.

THE FIRST THING I WAS CONCERNED WITH WAS, ARE WE REPLACING THIS WITH THE CRUMB RUBBER REPLACEMENT.

I'VE PLAYED BALL PLENTY OF TIMES IN MY YOUTH AND I REMEMBER AS A YOUNG ADULT, WHEN THEY INTRODUCED ARTIFICIAL TURF MORE, I REMEMBER HOW MUCH I DID NOT LIKE THE CRUMB RUBBER.

IT'S TRUE IT GETS EVERYWHERE IN YOU.

YOU'RE JUST TAKING ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU'RE GETTING EXPOSED TO BASICALLY TIRES ON YOUR FACE.

I'M JUST REALLY GLAD THAT THAT'S A COMPONENT THAT WILL NOT BE A PART OF IT.

I TRY TO RESEARCH AS MUCH AS I COULD ABOUT THIS PRODUCT AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND I SAW THEIR REPORTS.

IT IS ON THEIR WEBSITE AND IT IS THEIR REPORT THROUGH GEO SURFACES.

THEY STATED IN HERE THROUGH THE TEST METHOD DELIVERIES THAT THERE AREN'T ANY DETECTS OF PFAS, BUT NOR ARE THEY OF POLYCYCLIC HYDROCARBONS, EXTRACTABLE ORGANIC HALIDES, WHICH ARE KNOWN, I KNOW THIS IS THE EOX, SYNTHETIC TURF FIBERS, AND THEN ALSO LEACHING OF METALS.

SO IT WAS COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH FOR AN INTERNATIONAL FIRM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE THROUGH POP 65.

SO FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN TRY TO CAST DOUBTS IN REGARDS TO IT, THEY'VE DONE THE STUDIES, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE, I'M GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

I'M GLAD IT'S FULLY RECYCLABLE.

I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO WATER USAGE, WE CANNOT BE A BLIND EYE IN REGARDS TO THE FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY LIVE IN A DESERT,

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EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT WATER ALL AROUND US, AND WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH HOW OUR WATER USAGE IS.

IF THERE'S 3 MILLION GALLONS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE, THAT'S QUITE SIGNIFICANT IN MY PERSONAL OPINION FOR WHAT IS FOR RECREATION.

YOU'VE STATED THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CARLS ABOUT SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT IN REGARDS TO PLAYABILITY.

SO I'VE PLAYED ENOUGH ON ENOUGH SURFACES WHERE YOU DO KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ON AN OPEN LAWN AND THAT OF A TURF.

AND WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND I'M LEARNING IT MORE AS I GET OLDER BECAUSE MY REFLEXES AREN'T GOOD IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING SPORTS, IF THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES ON THE FIELD, YOU START LOOKING DOWN FOR THOSE INCONSISTENCIES AND THEY ARE YOUR HEADS NOT UP AT THE GAME.

AND WHEN THAT TAKES PLACE, THAT'S WHERE INJURIES OCCUR.

YOU HAVE TO PLAY AGGRESSIVE IN COMPETITIVE SPORTS.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT PLAYING AGGRESSIVE, YOU GET INJURED.

I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT, I KNOW THAT THROUGH RUGBY, AND I KNOW THAT TAKES PLACE IN SOCCER AS WELL.

I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENTS, BUT OUR CHILDREN.

SO MY DAUGHTERS ARE TRYING TO LEARN THESE COMPETITIVE SPORTS ON THESE FIELDS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY SAFE.

BUT I ALSO THINK ABOUT THE VISITORS THAT WE INVITE TO COMPETE IN THESE SPORTS.

AND SO THESE ARE FOLKS THAT COME ALL ACROSS THE NATION AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO SHOW UP AND GET INJURED AND FOR US TO SAY, JUST THE GOFER HOLES ARE THERE.

I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE IN A PERFORMANCE WHERE IF THEY'RE COMING ALL THE WAY OUT HERE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PREMIUM ATMOSPHERE TO PLAY IN.

I DO LOOK OUT FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT, AND IN THIS CASE, I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE OPEN SPACE AROUND IT AND WHAT ARE WE LEACHING OUT THERE? AND IF WE'RE STILL IN A IMPLEMENTATION OF PESTICIDES THAT ARE BASICALLY LEAKING OUT IN OUR OPEN SPACE.

THAT'S THE BALANCING POINT THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.

ARE WE LAYING PLASTIC DOWN AND THERE'S A TOXICITY THERE.

BUT ALSO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR 20+ YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO BE LEAKING TOXICITIES ONTO OUR OPEN SPACE, AND THEN HOW DO WE SALVAGE THAT? IS A QUESTION.

I WENT TO THE LEO CARRILLO FIELD.

I WENT IT WAS A SUNNY DAY.

IT WAS COOL BY TOUCH.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

AND THEN I THINK WHAT'S THE DIFFICULT THING IN REGARDS TO THE COST IS WE CAN'T PREDICT THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES I WAS STATED WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT I DO KNOW IT COMES WITH CAVEATS OF WHAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO BECAUSE WE CAN'T REPLACE IT WITH GRASS. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

>> MISS BURKHOLDER.

>> THANK YOU. FOR MY COLLEAGUES ASKING ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT POPPED IN MY HEAD.

FOR THE AUDIENCE THAT CAME TO SPEAK, AND I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS VERY SHORT.

KELLY, MICHAEL, AND JIM AND AARON REPRESENT 7,000 CHILDREN THAT USE THESE FIELDS AND OF THE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT FOR THIS TONIGHT, ONLY TWO OF THEM WERE PARENTS.

SO I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE TURF RECOMMENDATION, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> MISS ACOSTA.

>> THANK YOU. THANKS AGAIN TO STAFF FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR BEING SO PREPARED.

I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS THAT I THOUGHT OF UP HERE AND YOU WERE ALREADY PREPARED WITH THEM.

YOU ANTICIPATED THEM.

THANK YOU. THANKS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT TO SPEAK AND ALL YOUR VARIED PERSPECTIVES.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION AND CARE AND YOUR INTENT TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION HERE.

SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING I HAD HEARD ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SPEAK ABOUT, AND THAT WAS OUR COMMUNITY VALUES.

I ALSO HAD BEEN REFLECTING ON OUR COMMUNITY VALUES, ON OUR OPEN SPACE, AND OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, ON OUR HEALTHY LIFESTYLES, AND ON SUSTAINABILITY, WHICH JUST IS A STAND-ALONE ONE-WORD VALUE.

THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT VALUES TO ME.

THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO ADD MORE PLASTIC TO OUR ENVIRONMENT.

PLASTIC IS AN UNNATURAL SUBSTANCE.

AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY WHEN NATURAL GRASS IS A VIABLE AND COST COMPARABLE ALTERNATIVE.

I AM A MOM AND I'M SOMEONE WHO HAS PLAYED SOCCER ON A NATURAL FIELD.

MY DAUGHTER PLAYED SOCCER ON A NATURAL FIELD.

I EVEN WORKED WITH AN ELITE SOCCER CLUB, SURF CUP SPORTS ON ADVERTISING NATURAL SOCCER FIELDS, AND IT'S A TOP DESTINATION INTERNATIONALLY.

PEOPLE COME TO SAN DIEGO TO PLAY WHAT USED TO BE CALLED THE POLO FIELDS TO PLAY ELITE SOCCER THERE.

SO SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE NATURAL FIELDS.

SO I KNOW THAT NATURAL FIELDS ARE POSSIBLE.

I KNOW THAT THEY ARE FOR MANY PEOPLE PREFERABLE, DESPITE MAYBE SOME OF THE FEELINGS HERE.

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I KNOW THEY'RE HEALTHIER FOR OUR KIDS, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND FOR OUR PLANET.

SO I SUPPORT ALL NATURAL FIELDS, AND I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU.

>> MS. BHAT-PATEL.

>> YES, THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION AGAIN AND FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS.

I KNOW IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME.

AND I KNOW THIS CONVERSATIONS COME UP QUITE A FEW TIMES, I THINK, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

SO APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, AND OF COURSE, THE OUTREACH.

I'LL BE HONEST. I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, EVEN DURING THIS DISCUSSION.

I HAD CONVERSATIONS, OBVIOUSLY, AND OUTREACH FROM NUMEROUS PARENTS, OBVIOUSLY THE LEAGUES AND EVERYTHING.

AND I TOO PLAYED LIGHTNING SOCCER, WHICH IS NOW [INAUDIBLE].

I HAVE A KIDDO THAT PLAYS, AND I THINK I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE? LISTENING TO ALL THE QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATION, I HAVE TO SAY, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING, BUT I THINK I HAVE THOUGHTS ON WHERE I'M AT AND WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TO HEAR WHAT THE MAYOR HAS TO SAY AND THEN HOPEFULLY MAKE A WELL-INFORMED DECISION.

JUST BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED AND THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WITH REGARDS TO THE SAFETY OF THE SYNTHETIC TURF, I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS COMING AND LEANING MORE TOWARDS THE GRASS BASED ON THE EMAILS WE HAD GOTTEN.

HEARING FROM OBVIOUSLY THE LEAGUES, BUT ALSO THE PARENTS, AND THEN OF COURSE, JUST HEARING WHERE WE'RE AT WITH REGARDS TO SPECIFICALLY WATER CONSERVATION.

HEARING THAT IT'S 3 MILLION GALLONS IS A LOT OF WATER SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR REGION AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH REGARDS TO A DROUGHT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KEEP HEARING IS THAT CONSISTENT YEAR ROUND USE.

I THINK THE ONE OTHER PIECE THAT WE'RE HEARING, AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER SHIN ALLUDED TO THIS WITH REGARDS TO THE SAFETY, AND IT'S CLEARLY PASSED THOSE METRICS, ELSEWHERE.

SO UNLESS IT'S PROVEN, DIFFERENTLY, I WOULD ALSO VENTURE TO SAY THAT I FEEL SIMILARLY IN THAT PARTICULAR REGARD.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.

I WON'T GO FURTHER INTO DETAIL, BUT THAT'S JUST BASED ON WHAT I CAME IN WITH, AND THIS IS LITERALLY OFF THE CUFF.

NOW, JUST HEARING FROM ALL MY COLLEAGUES AND FROM THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHAT I'M FEELING AS A VIET.

AGAIN, WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHERE THE MAYOR IS AT, BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, AFTER EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THEIR GREAT EXPERIENCES IN ATHLETIC SPORTS, I'LL TELL MY EMBARRASSING STORY AS A LITTLE LEAGUE CHILD.

I WASN'T VERY GOOD, SO I WAS OUT IN OUTFIELD.

SOMEBODY HIT A GROUND BALL, PRETTY HARD, AND I WAS GOING TO PICK IT UP WITH MY GLOVE, BUT IT HIT AN IMPERFECTION IN THE LAWN, JUMPED UP, HIT ME IN THE FACE.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MORE EMBARRASSED BY THE FACT THAT I CRIED IN FRONT OF ALL MY FRIENDS OR THAT I MISSED THE BALL.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE USING GRASS AND SYNTHETIC TURF.

AND THE THING THAT I KEEP HEARING MORE IS THAT THE SYNTHETIC TURF IS DEPENDABLE AND IT'S CONSISTENT, AND THERE'S LESS CHANCES OF HITTING A GOPHER HOLE OR IMPERFECTION IN THE LAWN.

SO AFTER LISTENING TO THE HEALTH CONCERNS THAT THE PFAS IS UNDETECTABLE, THAT THE LITTLE BLACK RECYCLED TIRE BEADS ARE NON-EXISTENT IN THE NEW PRODUCT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECYCLE IT.

IT WILL PROVIDE MORE PLAYTIME.

IT LEADS ME TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

BUT I WANT TO ALSO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES FOR BEING THERE AND MAKING SURE WE'RE STAYING HONEST AND MAKING SURE WE DO OUR RESEARCH.

SO I'M NOT DISCARDING ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES.

I THANK YOU. I JUST DON'T SEE EYE-TO-EYE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION.

WE HAD A REQUEST FOR A BATHROOM BREAK.

WE'LL RECONVENE AT 7:20.

CALLING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

ITEM NUMBER 6, CITY MANAGER.

[6. FINAL PUBLIC ART DESIGN CONCEPT FOR VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, CIP PROJECT NO. 4609 Adoption of a resolution approving the final public art design concept by Gordon Huether & Partners, Inc. for the permanent public art at Veterans Memorial Park, Capital Improvement Project No. 4609. (Staff contact: Craddock Stropes, Community Services)]

>> ITEM NUMBER 6 IS THE FINAL PUBLIC ART DESIGN CONCEPT FOR VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

AND FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE WILL BE CULTURAL ARTS MANAGER CRADDOCK STROPES, PARK PLANNING MANAGER NICK STUPIN.

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>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MAYOR PRO TEM, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M DELIGHTED TO SHARE THE PLAN FOR THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK PUBLIC ART.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS PARK.

WITH ME HERE IS PARK PLANNING MANAGER NICK STUPIN TO GIVE US A LITTLE REFRESHER ON THE PARK.

THEN I'LL GO OVER THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TO SELECT THE ARTWORK.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL CRADDOCK. BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE PARK.

WE STARTED THIS PROJECT BACK IN 2018, OFFICIALLY WITH THE DESIGN KICK-OFF WITH A DESIGN CONSULTANT, AS WELL AS A SIGNIFICANT LIFT FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH.

IN 2022, COUNCIL APPROVED THE MASTER PLAN. IT WAS ADOPTED.

AT THAT POINT, AND MOST RECENTLY, WE WERE HERE FOR THE RESTRICTED COVENANTS DECLARATION.

THIS WAS ABLE TO ENSURE THAT 49.8 ACRES OF THE SITE WILL REMAIN OPEN OPEN PROTECTED SPACE.

THE OVERALL PARK IS 93.7 ACRES, AND IT HAS SIGNIFICANT SLOPES AND SURROUNDING ALL SIDES ARE HUGGED BY THE HABITAT.

TODAY WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART.

PUBLIC ART AREA, WHICH IS THE FIRST CIRCLE THAT POPPED UP AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT VETERANS MEMORIAL PLAZA.

SOME KEY FEATURES OF THE PARK.

WE WILL HAVE SOME WALKS AND WALKWAYS.

THIS WILL EMBRACE THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE.

WE'LL HAVE PATHWAYS AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS, THIS WILL GO THROUGH THE VETERANS TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THE CROSSINGS, MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE.

WE ALSO HAVE A NATURE INSPIRED BIKE PARK.

THIS WILL BE A REGIONAL DRAW TO THE FACILITY.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE A LOT OF OUTDOOR PLAYGROUNDS AND OPEN FITNESS AREAS.

AUTOMATIC, AND WE'RE PLEASED THAT THIS IS A 100% INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND.

AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, WE'LL ALSO HAVE A VETERANS MEMORIAL PLAZA.

THE MEMORIAL PLAZA WILL BE SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OUTREACH AND THAT OUTREACH HAS LED TO A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT.

THROUGH THIS EFFORT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MEMORIAL PANELS.

THIS WILL BE MORE OF A TRADITIONAL SPACE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A MEMORIAL PANEL COULD LOOK LIKE TO CELEBRATE THE DIFFERENT SERVICE BRANCHES.

WE'LL HAVE SOME BRONZE INLAYS WITH THE PHRASING FROM THE DIFFERENT BRANCHES.

OF COURSE, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG.

ALONG WITH THAT, TO SUPPORT THE PLAZA AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK, WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF ADA PARKING SPACES.

THIS IS MORE THAN THE TRADITIONAL STANDARD.

WE ALSO HAVE A RESTROOM FACILITY.

>> I KNOW WE'LL BE BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR SO TO PRESENT MORE ON THIS AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD PAST PERMANENT THROUGH BIDDING. TURNING BACK TO MISS STROP.

>> THANK YOU, MR. STUPIN. IT'S FITTING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC ART TONIGHT ON THE SAME NIGHT THAT WE ISSUED A PROCLAMATION TO RECOGNIZE NATIONAL ARTS AND HUMANITIES MONTH IN CARLSBAD.

THE CITY HAS A LONGSTANDING COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC ART THAT'S SUPPORTED BY POLICIES AND A PROCESS THAT CENTERS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

CARLSBAD HAS THE OLDEST PUBLIC ART PROGRAM IN THE SAN DIEGO REGION ESTABLISHED IN 1986.

OUR MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIRES THAT CERTAIN CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS INCLUDE AN AMOUNT FOR WORKS OF ART THAT IS EQUAL TO AT LEAST 1% OF THE TOTAL COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

WE ALSO HAVE THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES PROGRAM THAT IS SUPPORTED BY OUR ARTS COMMISSION AND BY PUBLIC ART ADVISORY SUBCOMMITTEES WHICH SELECT THE ARTISTS AND THE FINAL ART WORKS FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AND OUR PUBLIC ART POLICIES ALIGNED TO EXISTING POLICY DOCUMENTS SUCH AS THE GENERAL PLAN, THE ARTS AND CULTURE MASTER PLAN, AND THE CITY COUNCIL FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.

THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE TIMELINE OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT.

YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN A PROCESS THAT IS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT.

IT STARTED WITH ENGAGEMENT FROM BACK IN SUMMER OF 2023.

WE CONDUCTED A SERIES OF FOCUS GROUPS, ONLINE SURVEYS, AND MEETINGS WITH LOCAL VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS TO GATHER IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC ART COULD REPRESENT.

NOW, THIS PROCESS, OF COURSE, IS SOMEWHAT NON-SCIENTIFIC, IT'S NON-STATISTICAL METHODS.

WE'RE JUST PUTTING OUT AN OPEN CALL TO THE PUBLIC TO GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK AND IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, WHAT THEIR ASPIRATIONS ARE FOR THE PUBLIC ART.

HERE IS WHAT WE HEARD.

IN ADDITION TO HONORING MILITARY SERVICE, THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE ARTWORK THAT TELLS A MEANINGFUL STORY AND ENCOURAGES REFLECTION AND RESPECT,

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INVITING ENGAGEMENT, AND REFLECTING THE UNIQUE CHARACTER AND VALUES OF THE CARLSBAD COMMUNITY AND FITTING INTO THE PARKS NATURAL SETTING.

WITH THIS INFORMATION, THE CITY ISSUED A CALL FOR ARTISTS IN LATE AUGUST OF 2023 AND RECEIVED 35 SUBMISSIONS FROM ARTISTS, WHICH WERE REVIEWED BY A PUBLIC ART SUBCOMMITTEE WHICH MEANT TWICE.

THIS PUBLIC ART SUBCOMMITTEE WAS MADE UP OF TWO ARTS COMMISSIONERS AND ARTS PROFESSIONAL AND FOUR RESIDENTS WHO ULTIMATELY SELECTED GORDON HUETHER DESIGN STUDIOS AS THE PREFERRED ARTIST FOR THIS PROJECT.

GORDON HUETHER IS BASED IN NAPA, CALIFORNIA.

HE HAS A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST AS AN ARTIST, BUT ALSO AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER.

HE RECENTLY RETIRED FROM THE CITY OF NAPAS PLANNING COMMISSIONER AFTER 20 YEARS OF SERVICE AND HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH LARGE SCALE PUBLIC ART AND SPECIFICALLY MEMORIAL PIECES, AND EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY MEMORIAL PIECES THAT HONOR MILITARY AND PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS.

THEIR MISSION IS TO INSPIRE THE SPIRIT OF HUMANITY BY BRINGING BEAUTY AND MEANING THROUGH ART.

HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF GORDON'S EXTENSIVE PORTFOLIO OF WORK.

UNFORTUNATELY, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US TONIGHT.

HE DID SUBMIT A VIDEO.

HE'S ACTUALLY IN NEW YORK AT ANOTHER OPENING OF ONE OF HIS ART PIECES, AND JUST TO HONOR EVERYONE'S TIME, I CAN SHOW THE VIDEO AT THE END, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT, BUT HE DID PROVIDE US WITH AN ARTIST STATEMENT AND SENDS HIS REGRETS, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A DEDICATED MEMORIAL PLAZA ON THE LOWER PART OF THE PARK THAT WILL CONTAIN THE TRADITIONAL ELEMENTS OF A MEMORIAL, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE FLAGPOLE, AS MR. STUPIN MENTIONED, AND THE GLASS PANELS, AND TYPOGRAPHY AND SYMBOLOGY THAT REPRESENT THE SIX MILITARY BRANCHES.

THE ARTISTS TEAM VISITED THE PUBLIC ART SITE AT THE UPPER PLATEAU ALONGSIDE OUR PARK PLANNING TEAM AND OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND INSPECTION TEAM.

THE RESULTING ARTWORK THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY GORDON HUETHER IS THE RING.

NOW, IN ADDITION TO OFFERING THIS DESIGN, THERE WERE TWO OTHER DESIGNS THAT WERE OFFERED, BUT THIS ENDED UP BEING THE PREFERRED DESIGN BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, WHICH I'LL GO OVER IN A MOMENT.

BUT JUST A MOMENT A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE RING.

IT IS A CONTEMPLATIVE SPACE THAT IS DESIGNED AT APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET WIDE BY 16 FEET HIGH, AND IT IS INTENDED TO SERVE AS SYMBOLIC PORTAL THAT FRAMES THE HORIZON AND INVITES STILLNESS, INTROSPECTION, AND CONNECTION WITH BEAUTIFUL SWEEPING VIEWS OF OUR LAGOON AND CARLSBAD BEYOND.

IT SERVES TO HONOR THE SERVICE AND SACRIFICE OF THE MILITARY, AND ITS CONTINUOUS FORM SYMBOLIZES THE ENDURING NATURE OF DUTY, UNITY, AND REMEMBRANCE.

IT OFFERS A SACRED MOMENT OF PAUSE WHERE PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE ARE HELD IN QUIET REVERENCE.

THIS DESIGN WAS PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC ALONGSIDE A COUPLE OTHER OPTIONS.

AS IS OUR CUSTOM HERE IN CARLSBAD, WE ENGAGED IN A ROBUST EFFORT TO ASK THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR INPUT ON THESE PUBLIC ART CONCEPTS.

THIS IS JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE OUTREACH THAT WAS PERFORMED, WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA, PROJECT WEBSITES, EMAILS, FOCUS GROUPS, ALL OF THE THINGS.

THE ONLINE SURVEY PARTICIPATION WAS ROBUST.

WE HAD ALMOST 600 RESPONDENTS AND A GOOD REPRESENTATION NOT JUST OF VETERANS AND FAMILY MEMBERS OF VETERANS, BUT ALSO JUST FOLKS WHO WILL BE USING THE PARK.

THIS IS THE LARGEST REGIONAL PARK IN CARLSBAD AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF USERS WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THIS PIECE OF ARTWORK.

IN ADDITION, WE HELD MEETINGS WITH SPECIFIC VETERANS GROUPS.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT OUR MEETING WITH VETART, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF VETERANS WHO ACTIVELY PARTAKE IN ARTISTIC ACTIVITY.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE ARTISTS PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS MILITARY AND VETERAN PERSPECTIVE.

THESE SURVEY RESULTS REFLECT ALIGNMENT TO THE INITIAL PUBLIC OUTREACH THEMES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE CALL FOR ARTISTS.

WE ASK FOLKS TO TELL US, TO WHAT EXTENT DO THESE DESIGN CONCEPTS MATCH THE THEMES THAT WERE ARTICULATED AS ASPIRATIONAL OR VISIONARY FOR THE ARTWORK.

THE RING WAS THE CLEAR FOR RUNNER WITH A 75% ACCEPTANCE RATE AND ALMOST A 4.0% POINT ABOVE THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE OFFERED.

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BUT JUST NOTING THAT THE ASPECTS OF ENCOURAGING REFLECTION AND RESPECT AND FITTING INTO THE NATURAL PARK SETTING WERE RANKED VERY HIGHLY.

THE PUBLIC GENERALLY AGREED, AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THE COMMENTS, WHERE FOLKS INDICATED THAT THEY FELT THAT THE RING REPRESENTED A GOOD BALANCE OF NATURE AND REMEMBRANCE, SOLIDARITY, UNITY, COMMUNITY, AND IS A VERY INCLUSIVE, SIMPLE, AND MEANINGFUL DESIGN.

WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, THOUGH, THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE ARTISTS TO MODIFY OR IMPROVE ABOUT THE DESIGNS.

YOU SEE HERE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK.

I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN PARTICULAR HERE, THE CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY, ADA ACCESSIBILITY, AND DURABILITY, WHICH THE ARTIST UPON RECEIVING THIS FEEDBACK DID MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS.

THE KEY MODIFICATION HERE IS THE ADDITION OF SIX, ONE BY ONE STEEL SQUARE TUBES THAT WILL BE INSTALLED ALONG THE LOWER PORTION OF THE RING.

THE INTENT HERE IS A SUBTLE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE SIX BRANCHES OF THE MILITARY.

BUT ALSO IT IS TO DETER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE DESIRED ON THE ART PIECE.

IN ADDITION, THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING ADA ACCESS AS THEY DESIGN THE SPACES AROUND THE ARTWORK, AND THERE WILL BE CONSIDERATION FOR AN INTERPRETIVE PLAQUE THAT WILL PROVIDE FURTHER CONTEXT AND FURTHER RECOGNITION TO OUR VETERANS THAT ARE HERE TO ENJOY THE ART PIECE ALONG WITH THE OTHER AMENITIES OF THE PARK.

IF THIS FINAL DESIGN IS APPROVED, THEN THE NEXT STEPS WILL INCLUDE DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS TO BE FINALIZED AND PROVIDED TO OUR TEAM.

WE WILL FINALIZE THE CONTRACT FOR FABRICATION OF THE APPROVED ARTWORK AND IT WILL COME FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL LIKELY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THE INSTALLATION WILL THEN BE COORDINATED WITH THE ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE OF THE PARK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A LOVELY UNVEILING IN COORDINATION WITH ALL OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PARK.

TO SUM UP, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PUBLIC ART DESIGN CONCEPT AS PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

>> DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS?

>> BARBARA CHUNG.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BLACKBURN, MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I AM HAPPY TO AFFIRM THE ARTS COMMISSION'S SUPPORT OF GORDON HUETHER'S DESIGN FOR THE UPPER PLATEAU OF VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

I HAVE WALKED THAT SPACE, AND I BELIEVE THAT MR. HUETHER'S RING FITS VERY WELL INTO THE PARK'S NATURAL SETTING AND WILL ENCOURAGE REFLECTION AND RESPECT.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

>> YES. THANK YOU.

>> MR. SHIN.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ONE IS ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECT FOR THE PARK IN REGARDS TO OUR PARTICIPATION FROM THE PUBLIC AND MAYBE LIKE 501C3.

IS THERE SOMETHING WE'RE COORDINATING SO THAT AS A VETERAN, WHEN I TALK TO OTHER VETERANS, THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS PARK, THAT EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS.

ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT?

>> YES. WE'VE HAD THAT OUTREACH IN THE PAST THAT WENT INTO THE CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK.

I ANTICIPATE WE WOULD CONTINUE HAVING THAT OUTREACH AS THE PARK GETS DEVELOPED AND LETTING EVERYONE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> SOON AS YOU GUYS KNOW LET ME KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE CHOMPING AT MY BITS.

I ATTENDED THE FINAL SELECTION FOR GORDON IN THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IS THAT WE DO A GREAT JOB OF HAVING 1% ALLOCATED FOR PUBLIC ART.

I DID NOTICE THOUGH THAT WE WERE VERY LIMITED WITH THIS PROJECT IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET FOR THIS.

HAS THIS BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONSISTENCY THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH PUBLIC ART, THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT WE WANT, BUT WE GET A LITTLE HINDERED BY THE 1%.

>> THE 1% HAS BEEN A PRETTY STEADY POLICY.

IT'S ENSHRINED IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS OFFHEAD, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN INSTANCE WHERE WE'VE EXCEEDED THE PUBLIC ART BUDGET FOR A PROJECT.

>> I WAS JUST COMPETITIVE. I SAW THAT CITY OF SAN DIEGO HAS A 2%, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BUDGET THEN ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BREADTH AND AVAILABILITY TO CREATE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN CHERISH MORE.

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>> MAYBE JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.

FOR THIS PROJECT, THE 1% IS PRIMARILY GOING TOWARDS THE SCULPTURE ITSELF.

PARK AND RECREATION HAS ALSO LOOKED AT ADDING ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE IMMEDIATE AREA WITH THE ELLIPSE, IF YOU COULD CALL IT THAT, THE OVAL THAT SURROUNDS THE PUBLIC ART.

THAT'S ALL DESIGNATED AS PUBLIC ART SPACE, REALIZING, MAYBE THE DIRECTION THAT THE PUBLIC ARTIST WAS TAKING THAT WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE SCULPTURE.

WE LOVE THAT, AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT.

WE'RE ALLOCATING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THAT PUBLIC ART SPACE.

PARKS AND RECREATION WILL ACTUALLY TAKE THE LEAD ON THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN OF THE SPACE.

ONCE WE GET THE FINAL ELEMENT, THE SIZE, THE SHAPE, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WILL HELP THE SIGHTING OF THAT SCULPTURE TO GET THE OPTIMAL VIEW OF THE LAGOON AND THEN DEVELOP THE REST OF THE ELEMENTS AROUND IT.

AGAIN, AS GORDON MENTIONED THE ADA ACCESSIBILITY.

>> GOT YOU. GREAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> MISS BURKHOLDER.

>> I JUST HAVE COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> MISS ACOSTA. JUST COMMENTS ALSO.

WE'LL START WITH YOU, MR. SHIN.

>> I LOVE THIS PROJECT AS A VETERAN AND THIS IS MY DISTRICT.

I'LL SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE ART PIECE, WHICH I'M IN SUPPORT OF, I NOTICE HOW CALMING IT IS TO BE UP THERE AND PROBABLY EXPERIENCE THIS, AND THEN ART OBJECTIVE.

EVERYONE'S GOT THEIR TAKE ON WHAT THEY SEE IN PIECES.

FOR ME IN THIS PIECE, I SEE CLOSURE.

AS A MARINE CORPS VETERAN, I DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, BUT AS A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR, I DID, AND WHEN YOU COME BACK, YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU EVER HAVE CLOSURE.

IT'S JUST THE SYMBOLISM THAT I SEE BASED OFF THIS. I LOVE THIS PROJECT.

I LOVE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER AVENUE WHERE THE PLAZA IS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CEREMONIAL RECOGNITION OF EACH BRANCH, AND THAT DOESN'T JUST SHOW THE PIECE OF ART, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT ABSTRACT.

OTHER THAN THAT I'M IN FULL SUPPORT, AND I'M EXCITED TO BREAK GROWN.

>> MISS BURKHOLDER.

>> THANK YOU. YES, I LOVE THIS PROJECT AS WELL, AND I HAVE ECHO MR. SHIN'S COMMENTS THAT SOME 501C3S ARE ASKING ME ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO HONOR THE VETERANS AT THE PARK AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT, AND I'M KEEPING A LITTLE LIST OF THE REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

I JUST HOPE THAT THE FLAG IS AS BIG AS THIS BUILDING. THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

>> MISS ACOSTA.

>> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

THANKS TO THE ARTS COMMISSION FOR COMMISSIONER CHUNG BEING HERE.

I REALLY APPRECIATED, ESPECIALLY YOUR PROCESS AND THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE PUBLIC ALL ALONG.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ONE THING I REALLY LOVED ABOUT THE RING ITSELF.

I DID SEE THE OTHER DESIGNS.

IN FACT, WAY BACK, I REMEMBER TELLING PEOPLE, GO VOTE, GO VOTE FOR ONE OF THE THREE DESIGNS.

BUT I LOVED THE VIEW, HOW I THINK YOU DESCRIBED IT JUST A MINUTE AGO, MR. ROPES AS A PORTAL AND THE WAY THAT IT FRAMED OUR VIEW, AND IT REMINDED ME OF TRAVELING.

THERE'S A PLACE WHERE SALVADOR DALI HAS A HOUSE IN PORT LLIGAT.

THERE IS A FRAME THAT LOOKS OVER THE MOST GORGEOUS VIEW OF THE MEDITERRANEAN.

I THOUGHT OUR VIEW IS GOING TO BE BETTER FROM OUR RING, REALLY CONTEMPLATIVE LOOKING OUT OVER THE OCEAN AND CARLSBAD.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A FITTING VIEW TO HAVE FOR SO MANY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE FROM MILITARY FAMILIES LIKE MINE AND WHO SERVED AND MAYBE STAYED IN CAMP PENDLETON FOR PART OF THEIR SERVICE, WHO HAD SOME PART OF THEIR LIVES OR THEIR SERVICE TIED TO OUR AREA.

I'M SO PLEASED TO SEE THIS AND VERY SUPPORTIVE AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR WORK.

>> MS. BHAT-PATEL.

>> YES. THANK YOU. I AM GOING TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES.

REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS.

EXCITED TO SEE THAT WE'VE ALL DECIDED ON A PATH FORWARD.

I THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY THE COMMUNITY CHOSE AND WE'RE EXECUTING ON IT, SO REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, JUST TO RE EMPHASIZE, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE SO MANY VETERANS THAT LIVE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND BEING ABLE TO HONOR THEM WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS GREAT.

JUST HAVING THE ABILITY TO THANK THEM OBVIOUSLY FOR THEIR SERVICE, BUT ALSO HOPEFULLY A SPACE FOR THEM TO JUST HAVE AN ABILITY TO GO ENJOY THE AMBIENCE.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE WORK.

>> JUST GOING TO ECHO WHAT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID, BUT I'M SURE YOU HEARD ME A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TALK ABOUT THE FLAGS OR BANNERS, I GUESS, IT'D BE CALLED.

IF THERE'S A WAY TO SOMEHOW CONSIDER THAT FOR BRINGING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES A PERSONAL TOUCH.

IT HAD THE PICTURE OF THE VETERAN.

IT HAD THEIR DATES OF SERVICE AND THEIR NAME, AND YOU STOP AND LOOK AT IT AND IT ACTUALLY PUT A FACE TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT.

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I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT AND THANK YOU. MOTION, PLEASE.

>> YES MOVE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION.

>> SECOND.

>> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> ITEM NUMBER 7, CITY MANAGER.

[7. CITY COUNCIL CODE OF ETHICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE VALUES – Adoption of a resolution affirming the City Council Code of Ethics and Public Service Values. (Staff contact: Faviola Medina, City Manager)]

>> ITEM NUMBER 7. IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL CODE OF ETHICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE VALUES, AND FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF CONSTITUENT AND CLERK SERVICES, FAVIOLA MEDINA.

>> THANK YOU, AND GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS FAVIOLA MEDINA, DIRECTOR OF CONSTITUENT AND CLERK SERVICES.

AS A PART OF ITS ORIGINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 16, 2021, THIS ITEM COMES BEFORE YOU ANNUALLY TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS AND MAKE ANY DESIRED CHANGES AS THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTS.

IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT WISH TO REQUEST ANY CHANGES TO THE CODE AT THIS TIME, STAFF HAS PRESENTED A RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONFIRM THIS YEAR'S CODE OF ETHICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE VALUES.

THIS IS A TIMELINE OF THE CODE OF ETHICS AND SOME OF THE HISTORY OF SOME OF THE MOTIONS THAT HAVE GONE ALONGSIDE IT.

THIS BEGAN ON A MOTION MADE BACK IN MARCH OF 2021, WHERE THE CODE OF ETHICS WAS REQUESTED TO BE DEVELOPED.

THERE WAS A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS HELD IN MAY 6TH, 2021, AND JUNE 29TH, 2021, AND IN NOVEMBER 16TH OF 2021, THE CODE WAS APPROVED.

THERE WAS THE ANNUAL REVIEW DONE, THE FIRST ONE ON JUNE 1ST OF 2023, AND THE CODE WAS APPROVED AT THAT TIME WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.

ON OCTOBER 24TH, 2023, THERE WAS A MOTION MADE TO ADD LETTERHEAD GUIDELINES TO THE CODE OF ETHICS REVIEW FOR THE NEXT UPDATE FOR THE ANNUAL REVIEW, SO AT THE JULY 16TH, 2024 ANNUAL REVIEW, THE CODE OF ETHICS WAS APPROVED AND REVIEWED.

ON THAT DAY, THERE WAS ALSO A MOTION MADE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AT A FOLLOWING MEETING TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONERS ADHERE TO REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY COUNCIL CODE OF ETHICS.

ON AUGUST 20TH, 2024, THE ETHICS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WAS APPROVED, AND APRIL 29TH, 2025, THIS PAST SPRING, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CODE OF ETHICS THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S CODE OF ETHICS CONTAINS.