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[CALL TO ORDER]

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IT'S 5:00, SO I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

PLEASE TAKE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER SHIN. PRESENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BURKHOLDER. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM BHAT-PATEL. HERE. MAYOR BLACKBURN.

PRESENT. ALL 5 COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. MS. BURKHOLDER, WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

NEXT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING HELD MARCH.

I'M SORRY. SEPTEMBER 9TH OF 25. REGULAR MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 23RD OF 25.

REGULAR MEETING HELD SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 25. REGULAR MEETING HELD OCTOBER 7TH OF 25.

SO MOVED. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[PRESENTATIONS]

NEXT IS PRESENTATIONS. I INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA TO GO WITH THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY, GREAT. IT'S SO WONDERFUL TO SEE SO MANY FOLKS HERE TODAY FOR RED RIBBON WEEK.

I WILL READ THE PROCLAMATION FROM THE CITY OF CARLSBAD ANNOUNCING RED RIBBON WEEK, BUT I'LL INVITE DOCTOR NORMAN AND MS. FUENTES TO COME TO THE PODIUM. I SEE THAT THE STUDENTS ARE ALREADY LINED UP AGAINST THE WALL, AND AFTER THE PROCLAMATION, WE'LL ASK DOCTOR NORMAN TO SHARE A FEW WORDS AND THEN GIVE OUT THE PROCLAMATIONS TO THE STUDENTS BY SCHOOL.

THIS PROCLAMATION IS FOR RED RIBBON WEEK. ALL CITY OF CARLSBAD SCHOOLS ARE INVITED TO SHARE IN THIS OCTOBER 27TH TO 31ST, 2025. WHEREAS THE CARLSBAD CITY COUNCIL HAS MADE A STRONG COMMITMENT TO ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND OTHER DRUG PREVENTION, EDUCATION AND ACTIVITIES. AND WHEREAS WE RECOGNIZE THE OVERWHELMING FINANCIAL BURDEN TO SOCIETY OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND OTHER DRUG USE. AND WHEREAS WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPACT OF ADDICTION AND POOR HEALTH ON OUR CITIZENS, THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS. AND WHEREAS WE RECOGNIZE THAT ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND OTHER DRUG USE CAN BRING ISOLATION AND ACADEMIC FAILURE, VIOLENCE AND HOPELESSNESS TO THE YOUTH OF CARLSBAD.

NOW, THEREFORE, I COUNCIL MEMBER TERESA ACOSTA, ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 27TH TO 31, 2025, AS RED RIBBON WEEK AT ALL CITY OF CARLSBAD SCHOOLS AND CONTINUE AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN OUR COMMITMENT TO A HEALTHY, DRUG FREE COMMUNITY IN WHICH TO RAISE A GENERATION OF HEALTHY, DRUG FREE YOUTH.

[APPLAUSE] THANK YOU SO MUCH. MAYOR BLACKBURN, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AND ALL OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE ARE SO PLEASED TO BE HERE. I WAS A I WAS A PRINCIPAL FOR 11 YEARS AND I HAVE TO SAY, IT'S MY FAVORITE WEEK OF THE YEAR, AND I THINK THE OTHER PRINCIPALS UP HERE WOULD SAY THE SAME. IT IS A WEEK FILLED WITH LOTS OF ACTIVITIES.

WE HAVE DRESS UP DAYS, WE HAVE SPEAKERS, WE CHALK THE SCHOOL, WE DECORATE THE SCHOOL ALL TO CELEBRATE CHOOSING A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE.

AND IT'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF FUN. AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF THE STUDENTS WHO ARE SELECTED TO BE HERE. IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO BE ABLE TO COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND TO BE RECOGNIZED AND TO SPEND TIME WITH THEIR PRINCIPAL, AND I WANT TO THANK OUR PRINCIPALS FOR BEING HERE AS WELL, AND SPENDING TIME WITH OUR FAMILIES AND BUILDING THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS THAT CARLSBAD IS SO FAMOUS FOR.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING US HERE. AND NOW WE'LL SHINE THE LIGHT ON OUR STUDENTS WHERE IT BELONGS, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH AVIARA OAKS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

STUDENTS YOU'RE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING THROUGH HERE AFTERWARDS.

I KNOW THAT MS. FUENTES HAS ALREADY LET YOU KNOW.

WE HAVE PRINCIPAL EMILY YAMASAKI AND EFREN GARCIA CARINO.

[APPLAUSE] FROM BUENA VISTA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL MARJORIE GIORDANI AND LAYLA VALLES. [APPLAUSE] FROM CALAVERA HILLS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL ERIN NELSON AND SAMIYA NIYAZI [APPLAUSE]. FROM HOPE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL ANDREW GREGORICH AND KYLIE BERRY.[APPLAUSE] FROM JEFFERSON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL EMMA COBB AND VICTORIA VASQUEZ. [APPLAUSE] FROM KELLEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL MEGAN BLAUM AND STUDENT JUNE [INAUDIBLE] [APPLAUSE]. FROM MAGNOLIA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL CRAIG LEACH AND STUDENT NINA BLAIR.[APPLAUSE] FROM PACIFIC RIM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PRINCIPAL RICHARD TUBBS AND STUDENT OLIVER BRISLIN.

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[APPLAUSE] FROM POINSETTIA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL WALTER KANESKO AND STUDENT TEGAN WONG. [APPLAUSE] FROM AVIARA OAKS MIDDLE SCHOOL ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL SAM ESHELMAN WITH MIA UKUGAWA. [APPLAUSE] I'M SORRY THAT SAM ESHELMAN COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING. OH. I'M SORRY.

OKAY. CALAVERA HILLS, YOU CAN STAND CLOSE TO MR. K. HE'LL STAND IN FOR MR. ESHELMAN. ABSOLUTELY.

CALAVERA. NO STUDENT LEFT BEHIND HERE. CALAVERA HILLS MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL JUDY STAPLETON WITH STUDENT JONATHAN MCCARTHY.

[APPLAUSE] I THINK VALLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL LINDSAY GORDON WITH IVAN AMBROSIO SUAREZ.

[APPLAUSE] FROM CARLSBAD HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAVE PRINCIPAL JULIE REDFIELD WITH DYLAN STOLBA, OUR STUDENT.

[APPLAUSE] OH. SAM'S HERE. SORRY, MR. K, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP YOUR DUAL RESPONSIBILITY THERE.

NEXT, CARLSBAD SEASIDE VILLAGE AND ACADEMY OF PRINCIPAL JORGE ESPINOSA WITH STUDENT CHLOE JOHNSON.[APPLAUSE] AND FROM SAGE CREEK HIGH SCHOOL. ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL DANIKA ALFIE WITH STUDENT AIDEN TAPIA.

[APPLAUSE] OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A PHOTO OP NOW.

AND FAMILIES, THIS IS ALSO YOUR OPPORTUNITY. DON'T BE SHY.

COME ON DOWN. TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR STUDENTS WITH THEIR ESTEEMED LEADERS FROM THEIR SCHOOL SITES, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR BOARD IN THE BACK KIND OF FILL IN PLACES WHERE THEY CAN BE SEEN.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.

OH. YEAH. OUR HIGH SCHOOLERS.

MIC] WE DO.

HAVE SOME FOLKS COME UP ON THE SIDE.

YEAH. YEAH YEAH YEAH. YEAH.

YOU GUYS JUST QUIT. YEAH. THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO. NOW WE HAVE IT READY. 1. 2. 3. GREAT.[APPLAUSE] AND I WAS LIKE, NO, I'M SO SORRY. NO, NO, DON'T BE SORRY.

IT WAS JUST LIKE, WELL. AND I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH US OUTSIDE THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAVE A GREAT DAY.

CONGRATULATIONS. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. DON'T BE SORRY.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. JESUS CHRIST.

HAVE A GREAT DAY.

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE TO READ THE FOLLOWING.

THE BROWN ACT IN THE CITIES MEETING RULES ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS ARE REGARDING MATTERS WITHIN THE CITY COUNCIL SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION.

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MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ALSO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS, AS LONG AS THE COMMENTS RELATE TO THE QUESTION OR MATTER UNDER CONSIDERATION.

INFORMATION ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING OR IN THE FRONT PAGE OF THE AGENDA.

THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT.

NO ACTION MAY OCCUR ON ANY NON-AGENDA ITEMS. WHEN MAKING YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY, CIVILITY AND RESPECT. WE WELCOME CLAPPING DURING THE CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING DURING THE BUSINESS SECTION OF THE MEETING, STARTING WITH THE NON-AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS WILL HELP MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS CAN BE CONDUCTED EFFICIENTLY, AND THAT THE CHAMBER IS A PLACE WHERE ALL POINTS OF VIEW ARE WELCOMED AND RESPECTED.

THE CLERK WILL CALL YOUR NAME. PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

YOU'LL HAVE 3 MINUTES AT THE END OF THE 2.5 MINUTE MARK.

THE LIGHT ON THE PODIUM WILL TURN YELLOW, GIVING YOU A NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE 30S.

I'VE ASKED THE CLERK TO TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE 3 MINUTES.

THAT WAY EVERYBODY GETS EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO SPEAK.

PLEASE CALL THE 1ST SPEAKER, KATHY GILLEN, FOLLOWED BY DON VETRO.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KATHY GILLEN, CREATOR OF NO BIG JETS.

WE HAVE 22 PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT TO BEG YOU. PLEASE, MR. MAYOR, PLEASE DEMAND THE COUNTY RESPECT AND ADHERE TO YOUR CITY'S GOVERNING DOCUMENTS.

AND MIKE STRONG, WHEREVER HE IS, HIS 183 PAGE REPORT.

IT'S THE LAW. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, I'M DON VETRO.

I LIVE IN FRIENDLY PLACE IN SOLAMAR IN CARLSBAD.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION IN ASSERTING YOUR LAND USE AUTHORITY RELATIVE TO PALOMAR AIRPORT AND ENSURING THE PROTECTION OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF RESIDENTS. WITH ME THIS EVENING ARE MANY RESIDENTS OF CARLSBAD, AS WELL AS VISTA SAN MARCOS AND ESCONDIDO.

CAN I ASK THOSE OF YOU TO STAND WHO ARE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE EXPANSION OF THE AIRPORT? THANK YOU. ALL ARE IMPACTED BY CONTINUED ACTIONS TO EXPAND THE USE.

YOU CAN SIT NOW OF THE AIRPORT BY THE COUNTY, WHICH HAS FAILED TO SAFEGUARD OUR WELL-BEING AND WHICH THREATEN THE QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGHOUT NORTH COUNTY. I AM REQUESTING THAT YOU CONSIDER 3 ACTIONS.

1 BEGIN THE PROCESS OF RESCINDING THE CUP 172, CHALLENGING THE COUNTY TO SHOW CAUSE.

WHY NOT? AND SENDING A MESSAGE THAT YOU WILL NOT ALLOW THE RIGHTS OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS TO BE IGNORED AND ABUSED, AND HEALTH AND SAFETY PROTECTIONS PUT AT RISK.

FILE FOR AN INJUNCTIVE ACTION TO STOP THE AMERICAN AIRLINES AND UNITED FLIGHTS UNTIL THE COURT MATTER IS RESOLVED, AND EXERCISE AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF CARLSBAD RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS OUR FRIENDS AROUND US. COLLABORATE WITH THE OTHER CITIES IN NORTH COUNTY, ENLISTING THAT NUMBER 3, ENLISTING THEIR SUPPORT OF YOUR ATTEMPTS TO MAINTAIN PALOMAR AIRPORT FOR GENERAL AVIATION, NOT COMMERCIAL AIRLINES AND BIG JET USES. PLEASE NOTE THE CITY OF VISTA PREVIOUSLY ISSUED A RESOLUTION OPPOSING THE AA FLIGHTS, AND I HOPE THAT THE SHOWING OF SUPPORT TONIGHT FROM RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT NORTH COUNTY WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT SUCH A COALITION OF CIVIC, POLITICAL AND LEGAL INTENTIONS IS POSSIBLE AND NECESSARY.

I KNOW, I KNOW, YOU MAY INTERPRET THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACTIONS AS EXTREME, BUT I BELIEVE THE LOCAL CONTROL INTEGRITY OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD AND THIS COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE WELL-BEING OF CITY RESIDENTS, IS UNDER ATTACK AND NEEDS TO BE RESPONDED TO FORCEFULLY.

THE COUNTY HAS MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THEY CARE NOT ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PROVISIONS THEY AGREE TO WHEN GRANTED OPERATION OF PALOMAR AIRPORT BY THIS CITY. THEY HAVE ALSO MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO IGNORE THE GOOD ACTIONS OF THIS COUNCIL OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS TO STRENGTHEN THESE CONDITIONS.

THEY HAVE DISRESPECTED YOU AND THE CITIZENS YOU REPRESENT AND PUT US ALL AT RISK AS A RESULT.

THE RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT TO ADD UNITED AIRLINES COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE COUNTY PLANS TO EXPAND THIS AIRPORT WITH COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR THE LEGAL, HEALTH AND SAFETY GUARDRAILS THAT ARE APPLICABLE AND NECESSARY.

PLEASE ACT EXPEDITIOUSLY AND AND ASSERTIVELY.

FOR. IF NOT NOW. WHEN? THANK YOU. CYNTHIA TREVINO, FOLLOWED BY RUSSELL OWENS.

EVENING. I LIVE ON GOLDEN EYE VIEW. I LIVE 2.7 MILES FROM THE AIRPORT UNDER PALOMAR'S WEST DEPARTURES ON SEPTEMBER 30TH

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OF THIS YEAR. JETS WOKE US UP EVERY 15 MINUTES FROM 5:21 A.M.

TO 6:21 A.M. ON OCTOBER 13TH. WE HAD 1 AT 3:19 A.M.

BECAUSE ONCE AMERICAN AIRLINES STARTED, THE CORPORATE JETS DECIDED WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.

THE CITY OWNS THE LAND. THE COUNTY IS PUSHING EXPANSION, INCLUDING 50 YEAR LEASES.

DON'T WAIT FOR CARLSBAD TO HAVE 130 DAILY COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS LIKE JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT DOES.

IN 4 YEARS WE'VE SEEN LITTLE ACTION. PLEASE DIRECT YOUR STAFF TO BEGIN THE PROCESSES THAT DOM MENTIONED.

I WON'T GO OVER THEM AGAIN. CARLSBAD SHOULDN'T BE THE LAST TO KNOW AND THE FIRST TO BREATHE THE THE EXHAUST.

PLEASE ACT IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU.

RUSSELL OWENS. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, MAYOR, MR. BLACKBURN, CITY COUNCIL AND CARLSBAD RESIDENTS FOR ALLOWING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALSO, THANK YOU TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. GABRIEL FROM REPRESENTATIVE MIKE LEVIN'S OFFICE INFORMED ME ABOUT DECLASSIFICATION. I WROTE A LETTER TO THE HONORABLE PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA'S LIBRARY ABOUT THE DECLASSIFICATION OF THE 2010 AND 2011 RAID.

INSTEAD OF USING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR DECLASSIFICATION REQUEST, WE CAN REQUEST A VOTE RIGHT HERE IN CARLSBAD.

GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF THE SITUATION AND CLIMATE IN CARLSBAD, I BELIEVE THAT THIS TOPIC IS BEST TO DISCUSS IN PUBLIC.

HOLD THE VOTE AND CONTINUE THE PATRIOTIC PROCESS OF DECLASSIFICATION.

THIS IS AN IDEA WORTH FIGHTING FOR. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY.

THIS IS OUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR THESE MINUTES.

CARLSBAD. ANITA ARNOLD.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE DUE SOUTH OF LEGOLAND AND PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD IN THE COMMUNITY OF SEABRIGHT. MY NAME IS ANITA ARNOLD.

WE LIVE NEAR POINSETTIA PARK. IN 2010, WE BOUGHT OUR HOME NEAR PALOMAR BECAUSE THERE WERE RULES IN PLACE AND PLANES WERE DIRECTED TO TAKE OFF OVER PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AT THAT TIME. IT'S BEEN FINE UNTIL A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN THE RULES HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DISREGARDED CONSTANTLY AND THE FLIGHT PATH IS VARIED, SENDING PLANES OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

FLIGHT SCHOOLS DO PATTERN WORK UNTIL 11:40 AT NIGHT.

I SPOKE ABOUT IT AT THE COUNTY MEETINGS, DESCRIBING HOW THERE WERE 4 PROP PLANES DOING PATTERN WORK, TAKING OFF EVERY 3 TO 4 MINUTES FROM 9:30 TO 11:40 AT NIGHT.

I SPOKE ABOUT A PROP WHO I HEARD OUTSIDE MY WINDOW UPSTAIRS, WHO FLEW OVER MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I COULD SEE IT OUT THE WINDOW AND DID A STALL.

OR WAS IT? I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS PRACTICING OR IF IT WAS AN EMERGENCY, AND HE TURNED AROUND ABOUT 30S.

LATER I SAW HIM FLY BACK TO THE AIRPORT WEST TO EAST.

THIS IS AT 10:30 AT NIGHT. IT'S NOT SAFE, NOR IS IT EASY FOR US TO HEAR THE PROPS TAKE OFF, YOU KNOW, GO ROUND AND ROUND WITHOUT THE TOWER EVEN BEING OPEN TO ASSIST.

AMERICAN AIRLINES ALSO SNUCK THROUGH THE VNAF RULES.

IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THEM. THEY'RE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED AT 016 FOR DEPARTURE, BUT WHEN THEY'RE READY, THEY TAKE OFF EARLY. AS EARLY AS 059 WHEN THEY WOKE ME.

CORPORATE JETS GET AWAY WITH VNAF VIOLATIONS VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING AND VERY LATE AT NIGHT, BECAUSE I CAN TELL EXACTLY WHEN AMERICAN AIRLINES TAKES OFF.

IT'S A HIGHLY RECOGNIZABLE PLANE AND NOISE. I HEAR THEM, I HEARD THEM APPROACHING ONCE AND WENT TO MY EASTERLY FACING UPSTAIRS WINDOW, ONLY TO SEE THE BELLY OF THAT AIRPLANE GOING DIRECTLY OVER MY HOME.

I'M A QUARTER OF A MILE SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT.

ROAD SAFETY IS FOR MY. MY SAFETY CONCERN IS FOR ANY AIRCRAFT HAVING A PROBLEM.

WHO MIGHT NEED TO ABORT AT THAT AIRPORT DURING A TAKEOFF ROLL FOR ANY PROPS OR JETS HAVING PROBLEMS OVER NEIGHBORHOODS ON THEIR CLIMB OUT.

AIRPORTS AND AIRLINES ARE NOT USUALLY PROACTIVE.

THEY REACT OR CHANGE SOMETHING ONCE THERE'S BEEN AN INCIDENT.

I BELIEVE PALOMAR AIRPORT IS DOING THE SAME, WAITING FOR THE INCIDENT BEFORE ANYTHING IS CHANGED.

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THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS WERE VERY BRIEF, SO LET'S CALL ONE MORE.

OKAY. WE WE HAVE 2 MORE. ONLY 2 LEFT. THEN LET'S DO BOTH OF THEM.

OKAY. BARBARA GORDON, FOLLOWED BY HOPE NELSON.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BARBARA GORDON, AND I AM.

I WORK WITH SAN DIEGUITO ALLIANCE FOR DRUG FREE YOUTH, AND WE SERVE THE STUDENTS AND FAMILY IN THE SAN DIEGUITO REGION.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE MANY CARLSBAD STUDENTS THAT ATTEND OUR SCHOOLS IN THE SAN DIEGUITO UNIFIED HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT, LIKE LA COSTA CANYON AND THE MANY STUDENTS THAT ATTEND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THE ENCINITAS UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THEY ARE ALL CELEBRATING RED RIBBON WEEK THIS WEEK.

ALSO, RED RIBBON WEEK IS THE IS THE NATION'S LARGEST, LONGEST RUNNING DRUG PREVENTION CAMPAIGN.

ACROSS OUR REGION, OUR SCHOOLS, OUR FAMILY AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS, THEY WORK WORKED TOGETHER, THIS TIME TO PROMOTE A HEALTHY, DRUG FREE LIFESTYLE WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

THIS YEAR'S THEME IS LIFE IS A PUZZLE SOLVING, DRUG FREE, ENCOURAGING YOUTH TO PRIORITIZE MENTAL HEALTH, WELLNESS, AND POSITIVE CHOICES EVEN WHEN FACED WITH PRESSURE OR EASY ACCESS TO HARMFUL SUBSTANCES.

THAT IS WHY PREVENTION STRONG LEADERSHIP FROM THIS COUNCIL MATTERS SO MUCH.

WHEN WE SUPPORT SCHOOL BASED PREVENTION AND PROMOTE CAMPAIGNS LIKE RED RIBBON WEEK.

YOU ARE HELPING SHAPE A HEALTHIER AND SAFER CARLSBAD FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE, AND FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING THE WELL-BEING OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

THANK YOU.

IT'S NICE NOT TO BE ALONE IN THIS. MAYOR BLACKBURN COUNCIL STAFF.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE SOME, TO SHARE SOME THOUGHTS WITH YOU REGARDING THE CONTINUING SAGA OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, THE COUNTY AND PALOMAR AIRPORT. WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE COUNTY AND UNITED AIRLINES THAT UNITED WOULD BE FLYING OUT OF PALOMAR BEGINNING MARCH 30TH NEXT YEAR. I MUST AGREE WITH CORY BRIGGS STATEMENT.

QUOTE, IT APPEARS THAT THE COUNTY IS PLANNING TO COMPOUND ITS ILLEGAL USE OF THE AIRPORT FOR LARGE COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS BY ADDING YET ANOTHER AIRLINE TO THE LIST, UNQUOTE. THE COUNTY IS DOUBLING DOWN ON THEIR INTENT TO EXPAND PALOMAR AIRPORT YET AGAIN, WITH NO APPARENT ADVANCE COMMUNICATION WITH OUR CITY AND NO REQUEST FOR AN UPDATED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

I HOPE THAT WITH THIS LATEST NEWS, YOU ARE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTING THE CITY OF CARLSBAD ARE PREPARED TO DIG YOUR HEELS IN THIS TIME TO STOP THE CONTINUING BULLYING BY THE COUNTY TO USURP CARLSBAD'S RIGHT TO LOCAL CONTROL.

I ALSO HOPE THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY OR WILL SOON SCHEDULE A CLOSED SESSION MEETING WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS TO EXPLORE ALL YOUR OPTIONS NOW THAT UNITED AIRLINES IS SCHEDULED TO MEET OR IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN FLIGHT ON MARCH 30TH.

I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, AND I KNOW FROM C4FAS EXPERIENCE ASKING THE COURT FOR A TRO TO STOP AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHTS OUT OF PALOMAR EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT ONCE UNITED IS ACTUALLY IN THE AIR, THE TRO BECOMES MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET.

LAST, FOR ANYONE WHO THINKS COMMERCIAL SERVICE AT PALOMAR IS A GOOD IDEA, I ASK YOU TO THINK HARD ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 5 OR 10 YEARS. AMERICAN IS NOT HERE TO FLY 2 IN AND 2 OUT DAILY.

AND THE SAME GOES FOR UNITED, STARTING WITH 4 IN AND 4 OUT.

AMERICAN EARLIER THIS YEAR IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

WE KNOW THAT PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD IS ALREADY FAILING AND THAT THERE IS NO PRACTICAL WAY TO EXPAND IT.

TRAFFIC ON OUR MAJOR ARTERY WILL ONLY BE COMPOUNDED.

FOR ME, THIS IS ABOUT POLLUTION, SAFETY AND KEEPING A LIVABLE COMMUNITY.

THE COUNTY IS NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU. NEXT IS CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS 1 AND 2.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL WISH TO PULL ANY OF THESE ITEMS?

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NO. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON 1 OR 2? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THESE ITEMS. MOTION, PLEASE. SO MOVED. SECOND. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 3 IS MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF A MEMBER TO THE BUENA VISTA LAGOON JOINT

[3. MAYORAL APPOINTMENT OF ONE MEMBER TO THE BUENA VISTA LAGOON JOINT POWERS COMMITTEE – Adoption of a resolution appointing one member to the Buena Vista Lagoon Joint Powers Committee. (Staff contact: Melissa Rhodes, City Clerk)]

POWERS COMMITTEE. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A SPEAKER.

YES. CONNOR SACCADE .

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CONNOR SACCADE. I'M ONE OF THE APPLICANTS FOR THIS COMMITTEE.

LIKE, I IMAGINE ALL OF US DO. I FEEL INCREDIBLY FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WITH THE COASTAL TREASURES THAT WE HAVE.

AND I'M APPLYING FOR THIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO PLAY SOME SMALL ROLE IN ACTUALLY HELPING PRESERVE AND STEWARD THESE RESOURCES FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I'M ALSO APPLYING BECAUSE I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE ENVIRONMENT THAT I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THIS COMMUNITY, TO THIS COMMITTEE. I WORK IN THE LEGAL ARENA RIGHT NOW, BUT BEFORE LAW SCHOOL, I WAS A HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY AND EARTH SCIENCE TEACHER.

1 OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT BEING A TEACHER WAS HELPING STUDENTS THROUGH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND ALSO DIFFERENT ASSIGNMENTS.

TAKE THE SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES THAT I TAUGHT THEM AND APPLY THEM TO REAL WORLD ISSUES.

AND 1 OF THE GREATEST THINGS IN THOSE PROJECTS IS THEY GOT TO SEE THAT MANAGEMENT DECISIONS AND SOLVING POLICY DECISIONS ARE COMPLEX, REQUIRE LOTS OF INPUT FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, AND ARE REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT BALANCING ACTS.

NOW I WORK IN THE CRIMINAL LAW ARENA. BUT IN LAW SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES LAW WAS ONE OF THE ONE OF MY PASSIONS, AND I TOOK A LOT OF DIFFERENT COURSES IN THAT AREA.

SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE REALLY COMPLEX SOMETIMES INCREDIBLY COMPLEX STATUTORY AND REGULATORY SCHEMES INVOLVED.

AND ALSO I PUBLISHED A COUPLE PAPERS ON THAT ON THAT TOPIC.

I THINK IN SHORT, I RECOGNIZE THAT MANAGEMENT DECISIONS REQUIRE LOTS OF DIFFERENT EQUITIES AND BALANCING LOTS OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

I READ SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE MOST RECENT LAGUNA CEQA ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AND RECOGNIZES A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS ON HOW TO BEST MANAGE THIS LAGOON.

IF I'M FORTUNATE TO BE OFFERED THIS POSITION, I'M READY TO HELP MAKE TOUGH BALANCING DECISIONS.

I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, AND I'M WILLING TO DO ALL THE LEARNING THAT BEING AN EFFECTIVE MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE WILL REQUIRE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS APPLICANT? NO.

OKAY. MY NOMINATION IS FOR CONNOR SACCADE PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. NEXT IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER 4.

[4. REQUEST TO CONVERT FORMER INNS OF AMERICA BUILDING TO APARTMENT COMPLEX: COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AMENDMENT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PERMIT (AMEND 2024-0008/CUP 2024-0009/PUD 2024-0009/DEV99017) – 1) Hold a public hearing; and 2) Adoption of a resolution approving a California Environmental Quality Act exemption determination and approving a coastal development permit amendment, conditional use permit, and planned development permit to allow for the conversion of an existing three-story, 98-guest room hotel into a 98-unit multi-family rental project on a 3.12-acre site located at 5010 Avenida Encinas, within the Mello II Segment of the Local Coastal Program and within Local Facilities Management Zone 3 (Case Name: Inns of America; Case No.: AMEND 2024-0008/CUP 2024-0009/PUD 2024-0009). (Staff contact: Lauren Yzaguirre, Community Services)]

CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A REQUEST TO CONVERT THE FORMER INNS OF AMERICA BUILDING TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT'S A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AMENDMENT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND A PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE HAVE CITY PLANNER ERIC LARDY AND SENIOR PLANNER LAUREN AGUIRRE.

WAIT JUST A MOMENT. LET'S GO DOWN THE LINE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES? MR. SHIN. YES. I MET WITH THE I MET WITH THE APPLICANT.

I'LL HAVE A DATE FOR YOU MOMENTARILY IF NEEDED.

IS 14TH OF THIS MONTH. THANK YOU, MS. BURKHOLDER.

YES. I ALSO MET WITH THE APPLICANTS ON THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER.

MS. ACOSTA. I MET WITH APPLICANTS ON OCTOBER 14TH.

IT WAS OCTOBER. OCTOBER? YES. AND THEY SHOWED ME A POWERPOINT DECK THAT I DIDN'T KEEP IT.

THEY SAID IT WAS SENT TO STAFF. MS. BHAT-PATEL.

YES. I ALSO MET WITH THE APPLICANTS ON OCTOBER 21ST AND SAW THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WITH REGARDS TO THEIR PROGRESS AND PLANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO US TODAY. THANK YOU. AND I TOO MET WITH THE APPLICANTS AND GOT A BRIEFING OF WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING.

THANK YOU. ERIC, PROCEED. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BLACKBURN AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ITEM 4 ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS INNS OF AMERICA.

A REQUEST FOR A DETERMINATION OF EXEMPTION, COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AMENDMENT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

I'M GOING TO START TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION BY QUICKLY GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES.

THESE PROCEDURES ARE ESTABLISHED TO ALLOW FOR ALL PARTIES OPPORTUNITY FOR DUE PROCESS.

FIRST THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION. THEN THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ASK QUESTIONS.

NEXT, THE APPLICANT WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION.

THEN THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS.

NEXT PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL OPEN AFTER PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS CLOSED.

STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND. NEXT IS THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION FOLLOWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE.

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THE INNS OF AMERICA PROJECT IS LOCATED ON A 3.12 ACRE PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CANNON ROAD AND AVENIDA ENCINAS.

THE SITE CONTAINS AN EXISTING APPROXIMATELY 65,800 SQUARE FOOT, 98 GUEST ROOM HOTEL WITH A POOL AND SPA AND 123 SURFACE PARKING SPACES.

THE SITE IS ZONED PLANNED INDUSTRIAL PM AND THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION IS PLANNED INDUSTRIAL PI.

THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO CONVERT THE EXISTING HOTEL INTO A 98 UNIT APARTMENT, RESULTING IN A RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF 31 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

NO SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL BE ADDED TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.

THE PROJECT PROPOSES ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AMENITIES, INCLUDING 2 PICKLEBALL COURTS SURROUNDED BY 6 FOOT TALL FENCE, A DOG RUN AND A 288 SQUARE FOOT BIKE AND SURFBOARD STORAGE.

THE PROJECT WILL ALSO INCLUDE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS.

THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL REMAIN, FEATURES A CONTEMPORARY SOUTHWESTERN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH MISSION STYLE BARREL TILE ROOFING, LIGHT TAN STUCCO AND TAN EAVES AND RAFTER TAILS, ARCHITECTURAL TOWERS, ACCENT BANDING, AND METAL RAILINGS ON THE SECOND AND THIRD STORY WINDOWS PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VISUAL INTEREST. EXISTING MATURE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING IS LOCATED ALONG THE EASTERN, SOUTHERN, AND WESTERN PROPERTY LINES. THE PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN A LARGER INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT SUPPORTS A VARIETY OF USES CONSISTENT WITH THE PM ZONE. THE EXISTING HOTEL IS WELL INTEGRATED INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND ITS CONVERSION INTO A RESIDENTIAL USE WILL MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND SUPPORT THE CONTINUED VITALITY OF THE SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL USES.

THE PROJECT SITE IS SURROUNDED BY MORE THAN 25 LOCALLY SERVING BUSINESSES ALONG AVENIDA ENCINAS, WHICH PROVIDES A DIVERSE RANGE OF GOODS AND SERVICES.

CANNON ROAD AND AVENIDA ENCINAS PROVIDE FOR CONVENIENT VEHICULAR ACCESS BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITE AND LARGER BUSINESS PARK, AND EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND BICYCLE LANES SUPPORT BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL.

STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO INCREASE DENSITY AND RECEIVE REDUCTIONS IN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IN EXCHANGE FOR RESERVING A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF THE NEW DWELLING UNITS AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE DEVELOPER IS SEEKING TO QUALIFY THE PROJECT AS A DENSITY BONUS, NOT TO INCREASE THE DENSITY ABOVE THE BASE DENSITY, BUT TO ACCESS THE ASSOCIATED BENEFITS SUCH AS INCENTIVES, CONCESSIONS, AND WAIVERS.

AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE PM ZONE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF 40 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AT 3.12 ACRES. THE PROJECT HAS A BASE DENSITY OF 125 UNITS.

THE PROJECT MEETS THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR A STATE DENSITY BONUS BY PROVIDING 5% OF THE BASE DENSITY UNITS, OR 7 UNITS, RESTRICTED TO VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

THIS WOULD ENTITLE THE DEVELOPER TO INCREASE THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT BY 20%, WHICH IS 25 UNITS UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 150 UNITS.

THE PROJECT IS ALSO REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CARLSBAD'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHICH REQUIRES 50% OF THE UNIT.

15% OF THE UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE TO LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

THE PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 15 UNITS DEED RESTRICTED TO LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

THE DEVELOPER HAS CHOSEN TO CONVERT THE EXISTING 98 GUEST ROOM GUESTROOMS INTO 98 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, RATHER THAN THE 150 UNITS ALLOWED UNDER DENSITY BONUS LAW.

THE PROJECT IS PROPOSING A TOTAL OF 15 AFFORDABLE UNITS.

OF THE 15, 7 WILL BE DESIGNATED FOR VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

5 WILL BE DESIGNATED FOR LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AND 3 FOR MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

THIS SATISFIES BOTH THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW AND INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

THE DEVELOPER, CAN STILL RECEIVE CONCESSIONS, INCENTIVES, AND WAIVERS EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO UTILIZE THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY PERMITTED. THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING FOR WAIVERS.

THE 1ST WAIVER IS A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING STANDARD, WHICH REQUIRES A PROJECT, THE PROJECT TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 10% OF THE LOWER INCOME UNITS AS 3 OR MORE BEDROOMS. THE EXISTING HOTEL CONSISTS OF STUDIO AND 1 BEDROOM GUEST ROOMS. THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING TO WAIVE THE STANDARD SO THEY CAN CONVERT THE EXISTING GUESTROOMS INTO UNITS, WHILE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN. THE 2ND WAIVER IS A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE 40 FOOT FULLY LANDSCAPED SETBACK REQUIRED FROM CANNON ROAD. THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING TO REDUCE THE SETBACK TO 0 FEET TO ALLOW FOR THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE.

AT THE CORNER OF CANNON ROAD AND AVENIDA ENCINAS, THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE WILL MEET THE SETBACK.

HOWEVER, IT WILL NOT BE FULLY LANDSCAPED AS REQUIRED BY THE STANDARD.

THE 3RD WAIVER IS A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR 200FT² OF COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE PER UNIT.

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BASED ON THE STANDARD, THE PROJECT REQUIRES 19,600FT² OF COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE.

THE PROJECT PROPOSES 15,518FT² OF COMMUNITY RECREATION SPACE.

THE 4TH WAIVER IS A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35FT AND ARCHITECTURAL PROJECTION MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45FT.

THE EXISTING BUILDING IS 36.9FT AT THE ROOF RIDGE, WITH 2 EXISTING TOWERS AT 45.5 AND 45.6FT TALL.

THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING TO WAIVE THIS STANDARD TO ALLOW FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING HEIGHT TO REMAIN AS IS.

THE DEVELOPER COMPLETED THE EARLY PUBLIC NOTICE PROCEDURES PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 84, WHICH INCLUDED MAILING AND EARLY PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE PROJECT TO SURROUNDING OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS AND POSTING A SIGN ON THE PROJECT SITE.

THE DEVELOPER ALSO COMPLETED THE ENHANCED STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH PROGRAM BY MAILING AN INFORMATION PACKET TO SURROUNDING OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS.

THE INFORMATION PACKET INCLUDED A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT ALONG WITH THE PROJECT, ALONG WITH THE SITE PLAN, TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY, COLORED ELEVATIONS, AND COLORED RENDERINGS.

THE INFORMATION PACKET ALSO INCLUDED A PREPAID STAMPED ENVELOPE AND A COMMENT CARD.

A TOTAL OF 10 COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, 7 OF WHICH WERE RECEIVED BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF REPORT WAS PUBLISHED, AND HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE REPORT AS EXHIBIT 8.

2 COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED AFTER THE PUBLISHING OF THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH HAVE BEEN POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AND PROVIDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF THE HEARING. 7 OF THE COMMENTS WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT, WITH 1 OF THE COMMENTS IN SUPPORT.

ALSO EXPRESSING CONCERNS WITH THE PICKLEBALL COURTS DUE TO NOISE AND NOISE STUDY WAS PROVIDED WHICH INCLUDED AN EVALUATION OF ON SITE NOISE NOISE SOURCES, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURTS. THE STUDY FOUND THAT THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE CITY'S NOISE GUIDELINES, EXTERIOR NOISE EXPOSURE LEVELS, AND POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN NOISE ELEMENT.

STAFF ALSO RECEIVED 2 COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION AND 1 COMMENT FROM THE HOTEL OPERATOR, AND IN RESPONSE TO THE OPPOSITION, 1 COMMENT RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION EXPRESSED CONCERNS WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON SITE AND THE LACK OF KITCHEN APPLIANCES FOR EACH UNIT.

ALL PROPOSED UNITS WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE FOR RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, WHICH WILL REQUIRE INSTALLATION OF INDEPENDENT AND FULLY COMPLIANT COOKING FACILITIES.

THE OTHER COMMENT RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION WAS FROM AN INDIVIDUAL CLAIMING TO BE A LONG TERM GUEST AT THE HOTEL.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT LONG TERM STAYS ARE NOT PERMITTED FOR HOTELS, AS STAYS ARE LIMITED TO 30 DAYS.

HOWEVER, IF GUESTS ARE DETERMINED TO BE TENANTS, THEY MAY BE ENTITLED TO CERTAIN PROTECTIONS UNDER STATE LAW.

UP UNTIL RECEIVING THESE COMMENTS EARLIER THIS WEEK, STAFF WAS REVIEWING THE PROJECT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT THAT ALL ALL UNITS WERE OCCUPIED SHORT TERM ONLY WAS CORRECT IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADDING 2 CONDITIONS TO THE RESOLUTION.

THE 1ST CONDITION READS AS FOLLOWS. PRIOR TO OBTAINING AND SECURING BUILDING PERMITS, THE DEVELOPER SHALL SUBMIT A WRITTEN DECLARATION FROM THE SELLER SLASH HOTEL OPERATOR TO THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR, ATTESTING THAT ANY PERSON WHO HAS OCCUPIED A UNIT IN THE EXISTING HOTEL FOR MORE THAN 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS AND WILL BE AND WILL BE TEMPORARILY OR PERMANENTLY DISPLACED BY THE PROJECT, RECEIVED ADVANCE NOTICE TO VACATE THE PREMISES AND INFORMATION REGARDING POTENTIAL RIGHTS THAT MIGHT THAT MAY BE REQUIRED OR AFFORDED UNDER CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 66300.6 OR OTHER STATE LAW INTENDED TO ASSURE REPLACEMENT AND OR ONGOING AFFORDABILITY OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE EXTENT SUCH STATE LAW IS APPLICABLE.

THE 2ND RECOMMENDED CONDITION READS. IF A 3RD PARTY MAKES A BINDING DETERMINATION, ANY OF THE UNITS IN THE EXISTING HOTEL ARE OCCUPIED BY TENANTS OR WERE OCCUPIED BY TENANTS IN THE 5 YEARS PRECEDING THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.

THE DEVELOPER MUST NOTIFY THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR OF THE 3RD PARTY'S BINDING DETERMINATION, AND MUST AGREE TO AMEND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT, AS A HOUSING AND HOMELESS SERVICES DIRECTOR DETERMINES IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT REPLACES THE SUBJECT UNITS AND CONTAINS AFFORDABLE UNITS AT THE PERCENTAGES REQUIRED UNDER STATE LAW, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 65590 AND 65915C3A.

THE APPLICANT HAS REVIEWED AND AGREED WITH BOTH OF THESE CONDITIONS.

RESIDENTIAL USES MAY BE CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED IN THE PM ZONE, WITH THE APPROVAL OF BOTH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND SUBJECT TO CERTAIN FINDINGS AS REQUIRED BY THE FINDINGS, THE PROJECT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL USE BY MEANS OF LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE SEPARATION.

THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONVENIENT AND EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM THE DEVELOPMENT,

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AND FINALLY, THE PROJECT DOES NOT EXCEED 40 DWELLING DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AS FURTHER EXPLAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBITS, STAFF BELIEVES THESE FINDINGS CAN BE MADE. THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL RELEVANT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS, INCLUDING THE PI LAND USE DESIGNATION, THE PM ZONE AND THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE A2 SEGMENT OF THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM, AND THAT THE STRUCTURES WILL, AND THAT THE STRUCTURE WILL NOT OBSTRUCT VIEWS OF THE COASTLINE AS SEEN FROM THE FROM PUBLIC LANDS OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, NOR OTHERWISE DAMAGE THE VISUAL BEAUTY OF THE COASTAL ZONE.

THE PROJECT ALSO COMPLIES WITH THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE AND STATE DENSITY BONUS REGULATIONS.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND APPLICABLE STUDIES PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, AND FINDS THAT THE PROJECT BELONGS TO A CLASS OF PROJECTS THAT DO NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT, AND IS THEREFORE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PREPARATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS PURSUANT TO CEQA GUIDELINES.

SECTION 15332 INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. A DRAFT NOTICE OF EXEMPTION IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS EXHIBIT 6.

AS SUCH, FOR REASONS SPECIFIED HERE AND IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CEQA DETERMINATION OF EXEMPTION. COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AMENDMENT.

CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? MR. SHIN? I JUST 1. IN REGARDS TO THE THE SETBACK WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE FENCING FOR THE ACTIVITIES, THAT'S AN 8 FOOT BY THE BY THE ROAD. THAT WOULD BE A 6 FOOT.

6 FOOT FENCE. SO I SAW THE I HEARD YOU SAY THAT.

BUT THEN I SAW THEIR DESIGN AND IT SHOWS. IT SAYS 8 FEET THERE, WHICH I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM.

ON THE AGENDA PACKET, IT'S PAGE 41.

MA'AM, DO YOU HAVE THE ANSWER? WOULD YOU PLEASE SHARE IT WITH MR. LARDY? THANK YOU. SO THAT IS A SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC CONSULTING REPORT.

SO THAT'S JUST REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FINAL PLANS DO INCLUDE WHAT MS. AGUIRRE WAS SAYING WHICH IS A 6 FEET. I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE WHEN I SEE THIS PLAN IN THE PICKLEBALL COURT I PLAY PICKLEBALL.

AND IF THERE'S NO SETBACK, I KNOW I CAN SMASH A PICKLEBALL 6 FEET EASY ON ACCIDENT, AND IT'S LIKE CO ALIGNING TO IT.

I JUST, I GET CONCERNED NOT JUST FOR OUR LIABILITY, BUT MOSTLY FOR THE APPLICANT'S LIABILITY, THAT IF A WIFFLEBALL, YOU KNOW, GETS HIT AND ENTERS THE PEDESTRIAN OR THE RIGHT OF WAY OF TRAFFIC, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE HELD LIABLE FOR THAT. HAD, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMENDED AN 8 FOOT BARRIER.

GENERALLY SPEAKING HEIGHTS OFFENSES ARE LIMITED TO 6 FEET WITHIN CITY OF CARLSBAD.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD DO WITHIN THAT 6 FOOT LIMIT TO POTENTIALLY PREVENT BALLS GOING TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. MR. SHIN, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT TO SPEAK, SO THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM. PERFECT. THANK YOU, MS. BURKHOLDER. ANYTHING? MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU. CAN WE SEE THE LANGUAGE AGAIN FOR THE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE EXTENDED STAY? I JUST WANT TO GO OVER THEM AGAIN AND BETTER UNDERSTAND THEM BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN THE PACKET. SO FOR THE 1ST ONE, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IN LAYPERSON'S ENGLISH THAT THAT THAT ONE WOULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO WRITE THAT THEY ARE NOT DOING ANY KIND OF A LONG TERM LEASE AGREEMENT WITH SOMEBODY. IS THAT RIGHT? AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD MAYBE TRANSLATE THIS SO IT'S EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.

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I'LL START. AND IF THE CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO CHIME IN, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. SHE IS WELCOME TO.

THERE'S SORT OF 2 CONDITIONS. THE 1ST ONE IS LOOKING AT PROTECTING THE TENANTS RIGHTS.

AND SO THIS CONDITION IS ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION FROM THE DEVELOPER RELATED TO THE LONG TERM TENANTS AND THEN ASKING THEM TO ATTEST THAT IF THERE ARE LONG TERM TENANTS, THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING ALL THE STATE PROCESSES RELATED TO ASKING THEM TO LEAVE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SO THERE COULD BE REIMBURSEMENTS OR OTHER THINGS REQUIRED. WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH INFORMATION TO TODAY TO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE LANDOWNER WITH THEIR TENANTS. THE 2ND CONDITION IS RELATED TO REPLACEMENT UNITS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE AS A CITY ARE REQUIRING THE RIGHT NUMBER OF REPLACEMENT UNITS BASED UPON THOSE TENANTS. OKAY, JUST SORRY, I WANTED TO TAKE THEM 1 AT A TIME.

THANK YOU. THE 1ST ONE REALLY IS JUST IS MAKING SURE THAT THE THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT HAVING TENANTS WHO ARE LIVING THERE PERMANENTLY. IS THAT RIGHT? I GUESS IT'S IT'S EITHER MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT HAVING TENANTS THAT ARE LIVING THERE PERMANENTLY, OR IF THERE ARE TENANTS THAT ARE LIVING THERE PERMANENTLY, THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE STATE LAWS RELATED TO IF THEY'RE ASKING THOSE TENANTS TO, TO NO LONGER RESIDE THERE. THANK YOU. BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A PROPERTY THAT WAS ALLOWED FOR HOUSING, RIGHT? SO WOULDN'T THEY BE ALSO KIND OF VIOLATING SOMETHING LOCALLY WITH US TOO? WE IF THEY WERE USING THIS HOTEL FOR HOUSING.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE A REAL PROBLEM.

OKAY. AND THEN FOR CONDITION 2, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY IS A LOW INCOME TENANT, WHICH WE'RE HEARING THAT THEY'RE NOT.

I SAW THE LETTER FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INNS OF AMERICA ASSERTING IT WAS IN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT ASSERTING THAT THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE HOUSING. BUT THE 2ND ONE IS IF THEY DID PROVIDE HOUSING, AND IF THEY DID REALIZE THAT THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE PROVIDING, THAT THEY WOULD REPLACE THE SAME KIND OF HOUSING WITH THAT HOUSING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT IF THERE WAS HOUSING, WHAT IS THE INCOME.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IF WE'RE PROVIDING WE'RE PROPOSING 7 VERY LOW INCOME UNITS.

IF SOMEONE WAS EXTREMELY LOW OR IF THERE WAS MORE THAN SEVEN PERSONS, WE MIGHT NEED TO ADJUST WHAT THOSE UNITS ARE ULTIMATELY RENTED OUT AS.

YEAH, I GUESS IT'S JUST THE IDEA THAT, I MEAN, THE SECOND ONE IS IF THEY ARE PROVIDING THIS AS HOUSING.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THEM PROVIDING THAT, PROVIDING HOUSING.

NOW, WHEN THIS IS A HOTEL PROPERTY, NOT FOR HOUSING, WE'RE LITERALLY THAT IS WHAT OUR DECISION IS NOW ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE HOUSING AT WHAT IS CURRENTLY A BUSINESS, A HOTEL BUSINESS. SO LIKE IF IT SEEMS LIKE A BREACH OF TRUST, IF THEY WERE NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

FOR THE RECORD, MIKE STRONG, ASSISTANT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THE STATE HAS RECENTLY AMENDED VARIOUS SECTIONS OF STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW AND THE HOUSING CRISIS ACT TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE DISPLACED FOR CONVERSIONS OF UNITS OR FOR NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT DEMOLISH EXISTING RENTAL PROPERTIES.

THROUGH THAT PROCESS, LOCAL CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE REQUIRED TO REQUEST APPLICATION MATERIALS FROM THE APPLICANT, THE SPONSOR OF THE PROJECT, TO LEARN IF THERE IS ANY DISPLACEMENT OR ANY LONG TERM RESIDENCY ON THE PROPERTY THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED WITH THE PROJECT.

IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY DID NOT INDICATE LONG TERM RESIDENCY, AND THE APPLICANT WILL ATTEST TO THEIR RECORD OF INFORMATION.

SO THE CITY PLANNING STAFF PROCESSED THE APPLICATION WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, AND IT WAS ONLY AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT WE HEARD THERE MIGHT BE SOME ALLEGATIONS OF LONG TERM RESIDENCY WITH HOTELS OUR, OUR TOT COLLECTION DEFINES WHAT SHORT TERM RESIDENCY IS AND WHAT LONG TERM RESIDENCY IS AS TRANSIENT AND LODGING FACILITIES AND ANY STAYS LONGER THAN 30 DAYS IS A VIOLATION OF THE CODE.

AND SO IT WOULD BE A NON-CONFORMING OR ILLEGAL USE OF THAT PROPERTY.

AT THIS POINT, CITY STAFF HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO VALIDATE THE ASSERTIONS OF THE THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.

SO THROUGH THE CONDITIONS, IT ALLOWS FURTHER INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT AND ALLOW THE APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY TO

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DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY LONG TERM RESIDENCY.

AND IF THERE IS A 3RD PARTY WHICH IS PROPOSED IN THIS CONDITION IF THERE'S A 3RD PARTY THAT PROVIDES THAT DETERMINATION, THE CITY, THEN THE CITY CAN FULLY IMPLEMENT WHAT THE HOUSING CRISIS ACT ATTENDED.

AND THAT'S IN THE 66300.6. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS.

IF IT IS TRIGGERED 1 IS THE REPLACEMENT OF HOUSING AT THE SAME AFFORDABILITY LEVEL.

THE OTHER IS IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT'S DISPLACED, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL AND THERE'S SOME RELOCATION ASSISTANCE THAT'S PROVIDED, BUT IT HAS TO BE PROVEN THAT THOSE RESIDENTS WERE IN FACT, OR THOSE OCCUPANTS WERE IN THOSE UNITS AND DO CLASSIFY AS TENANTS, WHICH WOULD THEN BE PROTECTED BY THE TENANT RELOCATION ACT OF 2019 AND THE HOUSING CRISIS ACT OF 2019.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT HAS ONLY BEEN RECEIVED WITHIN THE LAST WEEK OR SO, THAT THE CITY HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO INVESTIGATE OR WORK TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE.

BUT THESE CONDITIONS HELP CONTEMPLATE THE EFFECT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE PROJECT AND ALLOWS THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT APPLICATION IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE VARIOUS LAWS. THANK YOU. I THINK WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT THE INFORMATION CAME TO LIGHT AFTER THE BRIEFINGS THAT WE ALL DISCLOSED OCTOBER 10TH AND AFTER THE THE MATERIALS, ALL THE MATERIALS WERE PREPARED BY OUR STAFF.

AND YET THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE US IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, RATHER THAN WAIT FOR THIS TO BE DETERMINED AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.

BECAUSE I, I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING THIS A LITTLE BACKWARDS, AND MAYBE IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WHY WOULD WE APPROVE THE THEIR PROJECT NOW, RATHER THAN WAIT FOR THIS TO BE RESOLVED, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW? IF THEY'RE VIOLATING THE LAW, WHY WOULD WE MAKE ALL THESE ADJUSTMENTS AND GRANT ALL OF THESE WAIVERS TO ALLOW THEM TO TRANSFORM THEIR PROPERTY, TO MAKE MORE MONEY AS A BUSINESS WHEN THEY'VE BEEN POSSIBLY BREAKING THE LAW? WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW. SO IT SEEMS THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE TO, TO GO FORWARD WHEN WE DON'T KNOW YET.

SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, COUNCIL IS, IS REALLY TO SAY THAT EMPHASIZE THE, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER SOMEONE IS A LODGER OR A TENANT IS A LEGAL DETERMINATION. IT'S NOT ONE STAFF CAN REALLY MAKE AT A STAFF LEVEL.

AND EVEN IF THEY WERE HAD ESTABLISHED TENANCIES, THE CITY'S OBLIGATION WOULD BE EXACTLY AS IS REFLECTED IN THESE 2 CONDITIONS.

LIKE, WE'D STILL BE REQUIRED TO REQUIRE REPLACEMENT UNITS.

AND THESE FOLKS, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE TENANTS, THEY WOULD STILL BE ENTITLED TO, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO STAFF IS REALLY JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS APPARENT DISPUTE BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS AND THE HOTEL OPERATORS IS ADJUDICATED, THAT THE THERE IS A TENDENCY THAT WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.

THANK YOU. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ONE MORE PIECE, I THINK I THINK THE PART THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO HELP THE TENANT AND BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW FOR FOR THE TENANT AND FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT.

POTENTIALLY, I THINK THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THE NOT FOLLOWING OUR LAW.

THIS IS NOT A HOUSING. THIS IS NOT AN AREA WHERE HOUSING IS ALLOWED.

NOW IT'S A HOTEL. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE IN VIOLATION.

THE ONLY THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS WE DO NOT CURRENTLY KNOW WHETHER THIS IS BEING USED FOR HOUSING, RIGHT? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ANTICIPATE IF FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS AN ADJUDICATION THAT SOMEBODY HAS ACQUIRED TENANCY, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THESE THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS CONDITION.

SO WE'RE JUST PUTTING THEM IN NOW. SO IF THAT'S THE DETERMINATION, WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH.

I THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT SOON. THANKS. MS. BHAT-PATEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES.

THANK YOU. JUST TO ASK A FEW CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND APPRECIATE THE THE PRESENTATION.

SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON MY COLLEAGUE'S QUESTIONS, CURIOUS ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THE DETERMINATION MEAN FOR US? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ANSWERED THAT A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF AND I'LL STOP THERE.

I SHOULD I WON'T ANSWER IT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WOULD THE DETERMINATION MEAN FOR US, AND HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO GET AN ANSWER? I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT TIMEFRAME FOR IF THE TYPICAL PLACE WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE DETERMINED IS IN THE CONTEXT OF AN UNLAWFUL DETAINER PROCEEDING.

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I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT TIME FRAME FOR GETTING THOSE DONE.

THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXPEDITED PROCEEDING, BUT NOT LONG AGO THOSE WERE TAKING, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR MORE. OKAY. AND WOULD IT CHANGE THE OUTCOME FOR US? I MEAN, HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS, OR ARE THERE MORE THAN A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS? THE INFORMATION WE'VE RECEIVED WHICH HAS NOT BEEN VALIDATED, IS APPROXIMATELY 6.

THIS PROJECT IS PROVIDING 14-15, 15 DEED RESTRICTED UNITS.

SO GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THOSE UNITS.

IT'S SOME VERY LOW, SOME LOW AND SOME MODERATE.

AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THE INCOME CATEGORIES, BUT NOT THE NUMBER OF UNITS DEED RESTRICTED.

OKAY. AND THEN TO CLARIFY THE OWNERSHIP JUST TO MAKE SURE THE FOLKS THAT CURRENTLY OWN IT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION AND THE PROCESS.

CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THERE'S A LEASE AN OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER, AND THEY CAN HELP PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS WELL.

GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I INVITE THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK.

10 OR LESS MINUTES, PLEASE.

THE CLERK WILL TURN IT ON. JUST A MOMENT. MAYOR.

I HAD A SEPARATE SPEAKER SLIP FROM OUR ORGANIZED PRESENTATION.

CAN I JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO ADDRESS THIS WHOLE ISSUE SEPARATELY FROM OUR ORGANIZED PRESENTATION? OKAY. THANK YOU. MARCELLA ESCOBAR WITH ATLANTIS GROUP REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY. SORRY, THIS IS NOT STAYING.

HERE WE GO. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA. WE WERE SURPRISED BY THIS ISSUE, AS YOU WERE.

WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS ON FRIDAY, AND THIS WAS BRAND NEW NEWS TO US.

SO I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS DID NOT COME UP IN ANY OF YOUR BRIEFINGS BECAUSE WE WERE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THIS.

SO AS, AS I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER PATEL WAS INDICATING THE APPLICANT IS NOT THE SAME AS THE OPERATOR AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. SO IF FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE POTENTIAL OCCUPANTS OF THE HOTEL ON FRIDAY. WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED WORKING WITH CITY STAFF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO COME UP WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY.

DUE TO THAT NEW INFORMATION, WE HAVE AGREED TO THESE 2 CONDITIONS.

THE REQUIREMENT FROM OUR CLIENT IS TO RECEIVE THE PROPERTY VACANT, HAVING FOLLOWED THE LAW, HAVING DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. SO WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE OPERATING ILLEGALLY IF THEY WERE.

THAT'S FRANKLY NEWS TO US. WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES.

AND I THINK, AS WAS INDICATED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IF THERE WERE ISSUES, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ADJUDICATED THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AS WAS DESCRIBED BY STAFF.

IT BASICALLY IT MAY CHANGE THE INCOME LEVEL OF SOME OF THE UNITS IF THERE, IN FACT WERE SOME FOLKS THAT ACHIEVED TENANCY ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME OF THE PROJECT.

SO I CAN ASSURE YOU, I'M A CARLSBAD RESIDENT.

WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF OPERATING THIS FOLLOWING THE RULES.

FOLLOWING THE LAW AND OUR CLIENT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRING THAT THE OPERATOR ADHERE TO THE LAW BEFORE THEY TURN THE PROPERTY OVER TO THEM.

WITH RESPECT TO THE PICKLEBALL COURT, VERY QUICKLY, IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL FOR US TO BUILD AN 8 FOOT WALL, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. OR THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN MAYBE PUT SOME NETS TO DEAL WITH ANY POTENTIAL ERRANT BALLS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO AGREE TO IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE JUST HAVE A VERY QUICK, ORGANIZED PRESENTATION, AND I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY OTHER ISSUES ON THIS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

BUT AGAIN, PLEASE KNOW THAT WE ABSOLUTELY INTEND TO ADHERE TO THE LAW AND WE ABSOLUTELY INTEND TO BE GOOD PLAYERS AND WE'RE UNAWARE OF THIS ISSUE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW, IF I MAY, ANNA MCPHERSON FROM OUR TEAM JUST HAS A QUICK PRESENTATION.

MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. I'M JIM MCMENAMIN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, ALLIANCE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CONVERSION OF THE STUDIO 6 EXTENDED STAY HOTEL TO MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. MY TEAM IS HERE, AS MARCELLUS SAID, ATLANTIS GROUP AND ANNA MCPHERSON WILL MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE WORK TO GET HERE.

WE WERE PREVIOUSLY AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS YOU MAY KNOW, WITH A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ANNA MCPHERSON, AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PRESENTATION.

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THANK YOU.

OKAY, I WILL TRY AND MAKE THIS BRIEF. YOUR STAFF GAVE AS USUAL, AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

THE REPORT WAS EXCELLENT, AND THE POWERPOINT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND THOROUGH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYOR BLACKBURN AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING US TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION.

STAFF. THE I WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE THE MAJOR POINTS.

THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL PLAN AND THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

IT REDEVELOPS AN EXISTING UNDERUTILIZED BUILDING AND PROJECT SITE TO DELIVER WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN AN EXPEDITED TIME FRAME.

THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENDED THE PROJECT FOR THESE VERY REASONS AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

SOME OF THEIR TESTIMONY FROM THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING IS THERE ON THE SLIDE.

THIS IS A BRIEF PROJECT OVERVIEW. YOU'VE RECEIVED A MORE DETAILED AND COMPREHENSIVE ONE FROM CITY STAFF, BUT IT DOES HIGHLIGHT PROJECT CHARACTERISTICS THAT EARN STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORT.

THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENITIES BEING ADDED TO THE SITE TO ENSURE A SMOOTH TRANSITION FROM AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL TO A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

ALLIANCE DEVELOPMENT COMPLETED A PUBLIC OUTREACH COMPONENT, AS IS REQUIRED BY YOUR CODE, CONSISTENT TO DEVELOP PUBLIC INPUT REGARDING THE CONVERSION.

ALTHOUGH LOCATED IN AN AREA DESIGNATED AS PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN THROUGH THE PROCESSING OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PERMIT TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT IS WELL INTEGRATED INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK LOCATION AND SERVES BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND ITS RESIDENTS. THE PROJECT DOES DELIVER 15 AFFORDABLE UNITS AND IT MEETS THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE WHILE IT QUALIFIES UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW. THE PROJECT PROPOSES NO ADDITIONAL UNITS BEYOND WHAT IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.

NO ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION BEYOND THE PROVISION OF THE AMENITIES IS PROPOSED.

THIS IS AN AERIAL SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S LOCATED, SEPARATION FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AND HOW IT'S WELL SERVED BY TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

AS STAFF EXPLAINED, THE PROJECT DOES QUALIFY FOR THE CEQA CLASS 32 INFILL EXEMPTION.

IT MEETS THE CRITERIA LISTED ON THE SLIDE, AND IT TRIGGERS NO EXCEPTIONS.

AS NOTED, THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENT FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, AND IT MEETS THE FINDINGS AS SPECIFIED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE, TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AT THIS LOCATION.

THE CUP FINDINGS FOCUS ON HOW THE PROJECT FITS IN IS INTEGRAL TO THE LOCATION.

AS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

ITS CONVERSION FROM HOTEL TO HOMES WILL SUPPORT THE CONTINUED ECONOMIC VITALITY, VITALITY OF THE OVER 25 EMPLOYERS AND THE LOCALLY SERVING BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 6000FT². THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONDITIONED TO SOLICIT POTENTIAL RESIDENTS FROM EXISTING BUSINESSES, WHICH SUPPORT JOBS FOR A RANGE OF OCCUPATIONS THROUGH A WEBSITE AND AN INFORMATION KIOSK AND DIRECT MAIL.

IT ALSO INCLUDES 27,000FT² OF MATURE AND REHABILITATED LANDSCAPING TO SERVE AS A BUFFER TO ADJACENT NONRESIDENTIAL USES WHILE ENHANCING CONNECTIVITY TO GOODS AND SERVICES. IT IS DESIGNED IN A CONTEMPORARY SOUTHWESTERN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, AND WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDINGS AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THE SITE IS SERVED BY AND IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FRIENDLY. THE PROJECT PROVIDES A BIKE MAINTENANCE AND STORAGE SHED WITH E-BIKE CHARGING OUTLETS AS PART OF THE COASTAL RAIL TRAIL.

THIS CORRIDOR CONTAINS BUFFERED CLASS 2 BIKE LANES, NONCONTIGUOUS SIDEWALKS, AND ADJACENT LANDSCAPING.

IT IS ALSO WITHIN 2 MILES OF THE POINSETTIA TRAIN STATION.

AS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU BY STAFF, THE PROJECT DOES REQUIRE 4 WAIVERS TO FACILITATE THE CONVERSION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

THE PROJECT CONVERTS AN UNDERUTILIZED AN OUTLET HOTEL PAST ITS PRIME AND NO LONGER AN ECONOMICALLY BENEFICIAL USE INTO MUCH NEEDED, ATTRACTIVE WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH CONVENIENT ACCESS TO JOBS, GOODS AND SERVICES.

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ALLIANCE DEVELOPMENT WILL ENHANCE, MAINTAIN AND MANAGE THE BUILDING AND PROJECT SITE TO ENSURE IT REMAINS AN ASSET WITHIN THE CITY.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU ADOPT THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, MR. SHIN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. YEAH, JUST THE CONCERNS MOSTLY FOR ME, FOR THE FENCE.

I KNOW OTHERS WILL TALK ABOUT THE THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, BUT I NOTICED FROM THE DESIGN, IF IT'S IF IT WAS SET THAT WAY AT 8 FEET BECAUSE THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF HOW THEY WANTED TO DO THE TRAFFIC.

AND I JUST, I PLAY THE SPORT. SO I KNOW THAT THOSE BALLS CAN EASILY GET PUT OVER.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY TO COVER THE LIABILITY OF LIKE NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT FOR YOUR RESIDENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND YOURSELVES DEVELOPING IT.

SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO REMEDY THAT SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW THEM TO PLAY SAFELY IN THAT CORNER? YES. WE'VE INDICATED TO STAFF THAT IF IT'S THE DESIRE TO HAVE AN 8 FOOT WALL, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

ALTERNATIVELY, WE COULD PUT SOME NETS UP THERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THOSE NETS THAT KIND OF COME IN A LITTLE BIT, WHICH WE THINK WOULD HAVE THE SAME EFFECT. I THINK JUST IN GENERAL, 8 FOOT WALLS AREN'T LOVED.

SO WE'RE BUT WHATEVER THE COUNCIL DESIRES, WE'RE WILLING TO GO WITH EITHER OPTION.

YEAH, I'LL TAKE THE SAFEST ROUTE JUST SO THAT I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AND STAFF TO TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO GO WITH EITHER ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. BURKHOLDER. I HAVE QUESTIONS, IT'S JUST COMMENTS.

MS. ACOSTA, MS. BHAT-PATEL. I'M SORRY. PUT UP SLIDE 13.

THE 1 PRIOR TO THIS.

IT SAYS FULLY LANDSCAPED SETBACK 40FT FROM CANNON ROAD.

IS THAT DID I MISUNDERSTOOD STAND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE 40FT FROM AVENIDA ENCINAS, BUT RIGHT UP TO CANNON ROAD. DID I MISUNDERSTAND THAT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. ERIC, WOULD YOU MIND MAYBE GOING TO ONE OF THE SITE PLANS AND MAYBE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, AND LAUREN, MAYBE YOU COULD EVEN JUST EXPLAIN THAT 1 DEVIATION THAT WE HAVE.

IT'S PROBABLY BETTER FROM YOUR SITE PLAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WOULD BE NO SETBACK FROM CANNON, SO MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THAT LANDSCAPE SETBACK. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT MIGHT BE BEST IF STAFF ANSWERS IT.

AND I'M HAPPY TO CLARIFY ANYTHING. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE SIDE THAT MR. SHIN WAS CONCERNED WITH THE BALLS GOING OVER.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS.

AND YES, THIS IS FOR THE WAIVER. IT IS REDUCING THE SETBACK ON CANNON ROAD.

THIS WOULD ALSO BE THE AREA ADJACENT IMMEDIATELY WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS AND A FENCE.

GENERALLY FENCES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE OVER 6 FEET WITHIN THE SETBACK.

BUT ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THIS WAIVER REDUCING THE SETBACK, WE COULD CONSIDER ALLOWING A FENCE HIGHER.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND EITHER A FENCE THAT'S HIGHER OR A FENCE AND NETTING INSTEAD OF A WALL, JUST BECAUSE THERE IS SIDEWALK THERE, AND IT WOULD BE VISUALLY IMPOSING SOMETHING ELSE ON THE PEDESTRIAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THIS IS I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE CALL THE 1ST SPEAKER.

MARCELLA. MARCELLA ESCOBAR, FOLLOWED BY ANNA MCPHERSON.

MS. ESCOBAR IS GOING TO PASS. OH, ANNA MCPHERSON, FOLLOWED BY HEATHER RILEY.

I'M LAND USE COUNCIL FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT MS. MARCELLA ESCOBAR DID SAY EARLIER TODAY. WE WERE UNAWARE UNTIL FRIDAY.

WE SINCERELY APOLOGIZE. ANY OF THE OPERATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING OUTSIDE ON SITE, WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE CORRECT IT AS WELL.

IT IS OUR EFFORT AND OUR PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS HANDLED APPROPRIATELY.

WE DID WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TODAY TO MAKE SURE THOSE CONDITIONS PROTECT NOT ONLY THE CITY, BUT THE APPLICANT. IN THE EVENT ANY OF THE SITUATIONS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVE OCCURRED OR MAY OCCUR, THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.

WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND ENSURE THAT STATE LAW AND LOCAL LAW ARE MET.

THANK YOU. MAX STEAD.

MY NAME IS MAX STEAD. I AM A RESIDENT OF CARLSBAD, AND I'M ALSO WITH ALLIANCE DEVELOPMENT.

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I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DRAMATICALLY.

IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE HOUSING THAT'S REALLY NEEDED, LOW INCOME HOUSING, AS WELL AS REGULAR HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT YOU WOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY DISCUSSION? MR. SHIN? I JUST HAVE COMMENTS, IF THAT'S OKAY.

YEAH, I, I KIND OF WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WE WOULD END UP USING AN 8 FOOT FENCING AS OPPOSED TO NETTING.

JUST ONLY BECAUSE ONLY IF THERE'S A GUARANTEE THAT THE NETTING WOULD BE REPLACED WHEN WORN.

BECAUSE I DO GET YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU DO SEE WHERE IT GETS WORN OUT AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AS GOOD AS THE OLD 6 FOOT FENCE. MS. ESCOBAR THIS IS JUST COMMENT. OH, YEAH. YEAH.

I'M JUST NOT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU OUT THERE FOR THE DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU FOR BEING SO EAGER TO ANSWER. I APPRECIATE OUR STAFF, OUR LEGAL STAFF, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER STAFF FOR CREATING AND RECOMMENDING CONDITION 1 AND 2. IT COVERS THE LIABILITY OF OUR CITY AND ENSURES THAT THE DUE DILIGENCE IS DONE APPROPRIATELY.

AFTER THEY FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE OR NOT.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM THE EXISTING ESTABLISHMENT.

I THINK IT CAN BECOME BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY.

IT ALLOWS FOR AFFORDABLE HOMES IN CARLSBAD. I THINK WE ALWAYS GET IMPACTED IN DISTRICT 1 WITH THESE AFFORDABLE HOMES.

AND HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS, NOT ALWAYS IN DISTRICT 1.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS HAS THE TOOL OF THE DENSITY BONUS ELIGIBILITY, BUT IS NOT USING IT AND SO IS NOT INCREASING AND COMPACTING DENSITY INTO THAT AREA. SO I'LL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS RECOMMENDATION IF WE CAN HAVE SOME DIALOG ABOUT THE FENCING.

MR. COLTER. THANK YOU. I CAN CERTAINLY, AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT 1, APPRECIATE THIS AS AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THIS SITE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF POSITIVE THINGS. AND THEN MAYBE ONE NOT SO POSITIVE.

I DEFINITELY ALSO APPRECIATE THAT THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING DENSITY.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I LOVE THAT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE NOT AROUND OTHER HOMES BECAUSE AS WE ALL GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NOISE FROM PICKLEBALL COURTS.

SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THE KIND OF BAD THING I HAVE IS PERHAPS, LIKE, I HATE TO SEE THAT THE TOT, THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX GO. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MUCH MONEY THAT IS THAT WE'RE SAYING BYE BYE TO? WE BELIEVE IT'S BETWEEN 150,000 AND 200,000 A YEAR.

OKAY, THAT WOULD PAY FOR SOME PARK RANGERS, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

BUT I DO I DO APPRECIATE THAT THERE IS RELIEF TO THE TO THE ARENA NUMBERS.

I'M NOT INCLINED TO MR. SHINN'S POINT. NOT INCLINED TO ENJOY 8 FOOT WALLS, FOR SURE.

THE FENCING I MAY BE OKAY WITH, BUT I PREFER THE NETTING JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS IN THE VILLAGE.

AND WHAT WE DO, FOR 1, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR OTHERS.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENT ON THAT. OTHERWISE, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT.

MS. ACOSTA. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS TO STAFF FOR ALL YOUR WORK, ALL OF YOU, AND TO THE DEVELOPER FOR MEETING WITH US AND SHARING THE INFORMATION AND BEING RESPONSIVE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD THAT YOU WERE SURPRISED BY THE COMMENTS AS I WAS.

AND WE DON'T LIKE SURPRISES. I DON'T LIKE SURPRISES.

ESPECIALLY WHEN I AM FEELING GOOD ABOUT SOMETHING IN A BAD SURPRISE COMES AROUND.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING FLEXIBLE AND NIMBLE ON THAT.

I ALSO APPRECIATE THE STATEMENTS THAT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR.

THANK YOU, MISS ESCOBAR. WE WILL ADHERE TO THE LAW AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR.

I WAS WRITING NOTES. WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE VACANT BEFORE TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP.

AND BEGINNING THE PROJECT. SO AND THANK YOU, MS. RILEY, AS WELL, FOR ENFORCING THAT THAT COMMENT THAT SAID, I LOVE THE IDEA OF CONVERTING A HOTEL TO HOUSING, ESPECIALLY, I THINK, THIS ONE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE HOUSING SUPPLY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE COMMENTED ABOUT THAT TOO.

THE WAIVERS MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? THINGS LIKE THE HEIGHT.

I MEAN, THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING. THANK YOU FOR NOT TAKING AWAY THE PARKING, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU COULD, BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT AND AND YOU'RE NOT ADDING MORE DENSITY.

I THINK THAT THE WAIVERS ALL MAKE SENSE WITH THE, THE CURRENT PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST I STILL JUST AM A LITTLE SORE ABOUT THE THE PENDING ISSUE ABOUT THE RESIDENT, BUT WE'LL GET THAT FIGURED OUT.

AND AND AS FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THE THE FENCE, I ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH 8 FOOT TALL FENCES OR WALLS.

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BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF NETTING. SO IF THEY CAN FIND A SOLUTION THAT IS VISUALLY APPEALING.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MR. HARDY'S COMMENT ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND THE DRIVER EXPERIENCE.

NOBODY WANTS TO BE DRIVING BETWEEN VERY TALL WALLS.

SO IF WE COULD KEEP OUR WALL HEIGHT, BUT MAYBE ADD SOME NETTING.

WE HAVE THAT IN OTHER PLACES, RIGHT? OMNI LA COSTA IS IN MY DISTRICT.

THEY'VE GOT GOLF COURSES. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE RANCHO CARLSBAD GOLF COURSE AND THEY'RE NETTING.

SO NETTING IS, IS POSSIBLE. A LITTLE FINER MAYBE, BUT NETTING.

BUT I THINK I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION.

BUT OTHERWISE I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND JUST I THINK I'VE MADE MY THOUGHTS CLEAR ABOUT MY CONCERNS.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK. MS. BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU. THANKS AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND TO THE APPLICANT FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO UTILIZE THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND REVITALIZE IT IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS REALLY NEEDED, NOT ONLY IN OUR CITY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE WITH REGARDS TO HOUSING.

I THINK JUST HAVING THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE MORE, AS WAS SAID, WORKFORCE HOUSING AND JUST HOUSING IN GENERAL, WHERE WE HAVE DIFFERENT AFFORDABILITY, YOU KNOW, METRICS BEING MET IS IS AMAZING.

I THINK THE OTHER PIECE I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE AND APPRECIATE IS THAT YOU ALL SPRUNG INTO ACTION WHEN SOMETHING CAME UP AND CLEARLY WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WERE EXPECTING.

AND SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL WORKING WITH US.

AND OF COURSE HOPEFULLY LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TOWARDS GETTING THAT MITIGATED.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IS JUST KNOWING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF THE UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OFFERED.

I'M ASSUMING, AS YOU ALL MENTIONED, IT WON'T BE ANYTHING TOO DRASTIC IN TERMS OF NUMBERS SHIFTING, BUT I'M HOPING THAT IT WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE AROUND THAT 15, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT YOU ALL HAVE MENTIONED IN TERMS OF THE WAIVERS.

I AGREE THEY DO MAKE SENSE AS WELL. AND THEN I THINK THE PARKING PIECE, I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS ALSO GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU ALL MAINTAINED THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING WE HEAR THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, THAT PARKING IS AN ISSUE.

AND I KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN AREAS, MORE SO THAN OTHERS.

AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, I'M LOOKING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO OBVIOUSLY HEARING BACK, YOU KNOW, THE FINDINGS AND WHAT WE ARE DOING TO REMEDIATE THAT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORT THIS.

THANKS. ON THE HEELS OF MS. BURKHOLDER'S QUESTION ABOUT THE TOT.

DOES THIS TRIGGER A REASSESSMENT FOR PROPERTY TAXES? DO YOU KNOW? YES, THERE WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT VALUE CHANGE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL THEN BE IN FUTURE ASSESSMENT ROLLS.

SO IT WILL RESET. SO THAT WILL OFFSET A LITTLE BIT OF THE THE LOSS.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE THE SAME AMOUNT BUT IT'LL OFFSET A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO ME I HAD THIS WAS NEW A NEW CONCEPT TO ME, ESPECIALLY HERE IN CARLSBAD, ABOUT CHANGING THE USE OF THIS HOTEL THAT HAS ALL THE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR SPENDING EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME. IT HAS THE OVENS AND SINKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 1 OF THE THINGS I HEAR RESIDENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT IS YOU'RE BUILDING ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S NOT CLOSE TO TRANSPORTATION OR JOBS.

THIS ISN'T BUILDING ANOTHER 1. IN FACT, I WOULD ARGUE THAT RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE A MUCH BETTER NEIGHBOR THAN THE TRANSIENT HOTEL PEOPLE.

PLUS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A NEW BUILDING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INTERRUPTING ANY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO TRANSPORTATION. I JUST CAN'T THINK OF A DARN THING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT OTHER THAN THE TOT TAX.

SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT TONIGHT. NEED A MOTION, PLEASE? YES. MOVE. ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION AND THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED, AND I BELIEVE DO YOU NEED THE NETTING PIECE IN THERE, I HEARD. NO, I THINK THE I THINK THE KEY THING IS, IS JUST THE AWARENESS OF THE RISK, YOU KNOW, LIABILITY OF HAVING IT. YOUR PICKLEBALL COURT RIGHT NEXT TO ALONGSIDE THE ROAD.

SO THAT'S ALL. AS LONG AS YOU CAN ADDRESS IT.

I'M CLEAN IF YOU GUYS ARE CLEAN. AND I WANT TO CLARIFY WITH STAFF AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T NEED IT.

OTHER THAN THAT, UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY FEELS DIFFERENTLY, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT IN THE MOTION IN CASE WE DO NEED TO PROCESS A CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION WITH THE PLANS TO BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT CLEAR POLICY DIRECTION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED IT IN THERE. SO INCLUDING THE COMMENTS MADE WITH REGARDS TO ADDING NETTING FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

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SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

NUMBER 5, CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 5.

OUR OPTIONS FOR THE TERRAMAR AREA COASTAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION IS TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR TOM FRANK.

WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A 10 MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL RECONVENE AT 6:30.

AND THEN WE'LL START THIS ITEM.

I'M CALLING THE MEETING. BACK TO ORDER. CITY MANAGER, PLEASE REINTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER 5.

[5. OPTIONS FOR THE TERRAMAR AREA COASTAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, CIP PROJECT NO. 6054 1) Adoption of a resolution confirming the City Council-adopted Resolution No. 2018-201, approving a roundabout at Cannon Road, lane reductions on Cannon Road between Carlsbad Boulevard and the railroad tracks and a traffic signal at Cerezo Drive as the preferred project alternative and authorizing staff to proceed with environmental review, permitting and final engineering for the Terramar Area Coastal Improvements Project; or 2) Adoption of a resolution approving a smaller-scale project with roadway and sidewalk improvements with resurfacing, restriping and no roundabout and no lane reductions, and authorizing staff to proceed with environmental review, permitting and final engineering for the Terramar Area Coastal Improvements Project; or 3) Adoption of a resolution approving only the resurfacing and restriping on Carlsbad Boulevard and Cannon Road within the project limits, authorizing staff to proceed with environmental review, permitting and final engineering for the revised scope without a roundabout and no lane reductions for the Terramar Area Coastal Improvements Project and pausing other roadway and sidewalk improvements for seven years or until the Seaside Transaction Agreement with San Diego Gas & Electric Company and Cabrillo Power I, LLC is finalized. (Staff contact: Tom Frank, Public Works)]

THANK YOU. IT'S LIKE DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN. ITEM NUMBER 5 ARE OPTIONS FOR THE TERRAMAR AREA COASTAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

AND FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR TOM FRANK.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M TOM FRANK, THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND CITY ENGINEER.

AND IN THE SPRING, THE CITY COUNCIL RECONSIDERED THE TAMARACK ROUNDABOUT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

AND IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION AT THE HEARING ABOUT THE CANON ROAD AND THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT, THE CITY MANAGER STATED THAT HE WOULD BRING BACK THE TERRAMAR PROJECT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

THE CITY ALSO RECENTLY COMPLETED NEGOTIATIONS WITH SDGE REGARDING THE PARCEL ON THE CORNER OF CANON AND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD.

THAT PROCESS WITH THE S TATE WILL TAKE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS TO COMPLETE THE LAND DEAL.

TONIGHT, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AREA AGAIN TO CONFIRM PREVIOUS DIRECTION OR RECONSIDER NEW IDEAS HERE, OR PAUSING THE PROJECT. SO WITH THAT. WE ARE PRESENTING 3 OPTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

AND 1ST, THE NUMBER 1 OPTION IS CONFIRMING THE PROJECT DESIGN APPROVED IN 2018, WHICH INCLUDES A ROUNDABOUT AT CANNON AND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LANES ON CANNON WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS FROM 2 TO 1, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT CEREZO DRIVE AND BLUFFTOP IMPROVEMENTS, AND NEW SIDEWALKS ON CARLSBAD BOULEVARD. 2 A SMALLER SCALE PROJECT WITH NO ROUNDABOUT OR LANE REDUCTIONS, BUT WITH NEW SIDEWALKS AND NEWLY RESURFACED STREET AND STRIPING UP TO OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.

THIS. AND THEN 3. THE OPTION WOULD RESURFACE AND RESTRIPE THE AREA AGAIN, AND STAFF WOULD REEVALUATE OTHER POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS.

AFTER THE AGREEMENT IS SIGNED WITH SDGE AND CABRILLO POWER IN ABOUT 7 YEARS.

THE CITY HAS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECT TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA AROUND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AND CANNON ROAD.

THE DESIGN CURRENTLY INCLUDES STREET IMPROVEMENTS.

BLUFF TOP IMPROVEMENTS, AND WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF THE TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT AND THE FALL OF 2024 THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, AND THE AREA BEGAN, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED EARLY NEXT YEAR.

THE GOALS IDENTIFIED FOR THIS PROJECT THROUGH PUBLIC INPUT INCLUDE BALANCED ROADWAYS FOR DRIVERS, BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS. MAINTAINING TRAFFIC FLOW AND ENHANCING COASTAL ACCESS.

WILL QUICKLY RECAP WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROPOSED FOR EACH OPTION.

OPTION 1 INCLUDES RESURFACING AND RESTRIPING THE ROAD TO THE CURRENT STRIPING STANDARDS, AS I MENTIONED, AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU IN ORANGE UP TO THE ORANGE LIMITS.

IT ALSO INCLUDES APPROVING A ROUNDABOUT AT CANNON ROAD.

AND THEN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT CEREZO DRIVE AND THE LANE REDUCTIONS ON CANNON ROAD BETWEEN CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND THEN SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE IN YELLOW ALONG WITH THE STRIPED BIKE LANES.

SO CLASS 2 BIKE LANES. AND LASTLY, THE BLUFFTOP IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THIS PROJECT HAS A CURRENT ESTIMATED COST OF $19.4 MILLION.

OPTION 2 IS A SMALLER SCALE PROJECT WITH NO ROUNDABOUT OR LANE REDUCTIONS, BUT WOULD INCLUDE RESURFACING AND RESTRIPING AND LIMITED SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.

THESE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS WOULD INCLUDE A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, FROM TIERRA DEL ORO STREET TO CEREZO DRIVE, SHOWN BY THE SOLID YELLOW LINE, AND POSSIBLY A NARROWER SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE FROM CANNON ROAD TO

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MANZANO DRIVE, SHOWN BY THE DASHED YELLOW LINE, ALONG WITH BUFFERED BIKE LANES THROUGHOUT THE PAVED SECTION.

THIS OPTION IS ESTIMATED TO COST 3 TO $5 MILLION, AND WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY 2 TO 3 YEARS TO COMPLETE.

IF THIS OPTION IS SELECTED, STAFF WOULD COMPLETE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OUTREACH AND TARGET RETURNING TO CITY COUNCIL WITH CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR CONSIDERATION.

IN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AND AUTHORIZATION TO BID FOR CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE IN LATE 2026.

AND THEN OPTION 3 WOULD INCLUDE A RESURFACING AND RESTRIPING ON CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AND CANNON ROAD WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMITS SHOWN, AND PAUSE ALL OTHER ROAD AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE 7 YEAR PERIOD UNTIL THE SEASIDE TRANSITIONAL AGREEMENT TRANSACTIONAL AGREEMENT WITH SDGE AND CABRILLO POWER IS FINALIZED. THIS OPTION IS ESTIMATED TO COST BETWEEN 1 TO $1.5 MILLION, AND COULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY 2 YEARS TO COMPLETE. THE RESURFACING AND RESTRIPING WILL BE NEEDED AFTER THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ARE UNDERWAY. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IF THIS OPTION IS SELECTED, STAFF WOULD TARGET RETURNING TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AND AUTHORIZATION TO BID THE PROJECT WITH THE REVISED SCOPE FOR ONLY THE RESURFACING AND RESTRIPING AS A PART OF THE CITY'S PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IN LATE 2026. FOLLOWING TODAY'S MEETING, AND DEPENDING UPON WHAT CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS, STAFF WOULD WORK ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND PERMITTING AND THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THE SELECTED OPTION, AND WE WOULD RETURN TO A FUTURE MEETING FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND THE REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE THE PROJECT FOR BID.

SO THE RECOMMENDED ACTION IS TO SELECT 1 OF THE 3 OPTIONS PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. PLEASE CALL SPEAKERS. WE HAVE A GROUP 1ST STEVE LINKEY, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE? BILL SIDES HOPE SMITH AND PATTY RICHARDS. GREAT.

THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL STEVE LINKY, CARLSBAD.

I HAVE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO PLEASE VOTE FOR OPTION NUMBER 2 FEATURING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, EXPANDED SIDEWALKS AND BUFFERED BIKE LANES, OR OPTION 3.

GIVEN THE CRASH HISTORIES OF SIMILAR ROUNDABOUTS, IT WILL BE THE SAFEST.

IT'S ALSO THE BEST FOR EMERGENCIES AND ACCESS BY LOCAL RESIDENTS, AND PROVIDES FAMILIAR CONTROLLED CROSSINGS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS, AND IT WILL SAVE UP TO $14 MILLION OR MORE. REGARDING OPTION NUMBER 1 WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, LET ME REVIEW SOME REAL WORLD SAFETY DATA. THE ROUNDABOUT ON CARLSBAD BOULEVARD AT STATE STREET HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR ABOUT 11.5 YEARS.

BEFORE CONVERSION TO A ROUNDABOUT. THE INTERSECTION AVERAGED LESS THAN 1 POLICE REPORT COLLISION PER YEAR AFTER CONVERSION THROUGH 2024.

IT HAS AVERAGED NEARLY 6 PER YEAR WITH HIGHER NUMBERS IN RECENT YEARS.

IT HAS THE HIGHEST COLLISION RATE OF ALL CARLSBAD INTERSECTIONS, INCLUDING COLLISIONS BETWEEN CONFUSED USERS INTO THE CENTRAL ISLAND AND PERIMETER AREAS.

FROM 2015 TO 2024, THERE WERE 56 POLICE REPORT COLLISIONS.

I'VE CORRELATED THIS LIST WITH STAFF'S FROM THE APRIL COUNCIL MEETING. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ONES.

STAFF HAS EXCUSED THIS VERY HIGH NUMBER OF COLLISIONS BY SAYING THAT NATIONAL STATISTICS SHOW FEWER CRASHES AT ROUNDABOUTS, AND THAT MANY OF THESE ARE JUST SOLO CRASHES BY DUI DRIVERS THAT DON'T COUNT.

THIS TABLE SHOWS THAT 26 OF THE 56 CRASHES NEARLY HALF ARE INDEED SOLO DUIS, WHICH IS A HIGHER PROPORTION THAN CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTIONS. HOWEVER, 9 OF THESE SOLO DUIS RESULTED IN INJURIES, 4 OF WHICH WERE VISIBLE INJURIES AND ONE OF WHICH WAS SEVERE, AND ASKED THE QUESTION, ARE THESE INJURIES ACCEPTABLE JUST BECAUSE THE DRIVERS WERE IMPAIRED? AND EVEN IF YOU THINK IT'S ETHICAL TO IGNORE THE SOLO DUI COLLISIONS AND INJURIES, OVER HALF OF THE COLLISIONS WERE NOT RELATED TO IMPAIRMENT, INCLUDING ALL EIGHT OF THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INVOLVED COLLISIONS.

AND 16 OF THOSE RESULTED IN INJURIES, INCLUDING 9 WITH VISIBLE INJURIES AND 2 WITH SEVERE INJURIES, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE HERE, BUT 11 VISIBLE OR SEVERE INJURIES.

SO EVEN IF YOU EXCLUDE ALL OF THE SOLO DUI COLLISIONS, THE ROUNDABOUTS STILL HAS 1 OF THE HIGHEST COLLISION AND INJURY RATES IN CARLSBAD.

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IRONICALLY, IF THESE HIGH CRASH AND INJURY NUMBERS ARE APPLIED TO A NON ROUNDABOUT INTERSECTION, MANY TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE WOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR CONVERSION TO A ROUNDABOUT.

BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A ROUNDABOUT, THEY INSTEAD COME UP WITH REASONS TO IGNORE THEM.

STAFF HAS CHARACTERIZED THIS AS ONE OF THE BEST PERFORMING INTERSECTIONS IN CARLSBAD. NOW LET'S TURN TO THE RELATIVELY NEW ROUNDABOUT ON COAST HIGHWAY AT EL PORTAL STREET IN ENCINITAS. PRIOR TO CONVERSION TO A ROUNDABOUT, IT AVERAGED LESS THAN 0.3 COLLISIONS PER YEAR WITH NO INJURIES AFTER CONVERSION THROUGH 2024. IT HAS AVERAGED ABOUT 7 PER YEAR. IT HAS THE HIGHEST COLLISION AND INJURY RATE OF ALL INTERSECTIONS IN ENCINITAS, WHICH SHOULD SOUND FAMILIAR. IN JUST ITS 1ST 2 AND A HALF YEARS OF OPERATION, THERE WERE 3 COLLISIONS WITH VISIBLE INJURIES AND 2 WITH SEVERE INJURIES.

HERE'S A PAGE FROM A FEBRUARY 2025 ENCINITAS CITY COUNCIL STAFF REPORT WITH ARROWS DIAGRAMING ALL OF THE COLLISIONS.

FOR MOST OF THEM, THE DRIVERS CRASHED INTO OBJECTS SUCH AS SIGNS OR LIGHT POLES IN THE CENTRAL ISLAND OR PERIMETER AREAS, SIMILAR TO THE COLLISION SEEN AT STATE STREET.

IN 1 CASE, THE CAR STARTED ON FIRE, BUT THE OCCUPANT WAS FORTUNATELY DRAGGED OUT IN TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE SIDEWALKS AND BUSINESSES AROUND THE PERIMETER.

THE CITY'S COUNCIL DECIDED TO ADD MORE ROUNDABOUT GUIDANCE SIGNS RUMBLE STRIPS AT THE ENTRANCES TO CREATE AUDIBLE WARNINGS TO DRIVERS, FLASHING LIGHTS AND CRASH RATED POSTS OR BOLLARDS AROUND THE PERIMETER, AS SHOWN ON THIS DIAGRAM.

HOWEVER, THE BOLLARD PLAN HAS NOW BEEN ABANDONED BECAUSE CRASHING INTO THEM CAN CAUSE SERIOUS INJURIES TO THE DRIVERS AND REQUIRE CONSTANT REPLACEMENT.

SO INSTEAD, THE COUNCIL IS NOW LOOKING AT INSTALLING GUARDRAILS AROUND THE PERIMETER TO PROTECT THE SURROUNDING PEDESTRIANS, INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROPERTY AS SIMULATED IN THIS PICTURE.

BUT THE PROPOSAL AT CANNON ROAD FOR A ROUNDABOUT IS A BIT DIFFERENT THAN BOTH THE STATE AND EL PORTAL ROUNDABOUTS, IN THAT IT IS A MORE RESIDENTIAL AREA. THIS IS THE ONLY RENDERING I COULD FIND, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE HOMES IN THE UPPER RIGHT AND ALONG THE BOTTOM.

THIS THIS AREA IS VERY SIMILAR TO A ROUNDABOUT IN SAN DIEGO ON ON STREAM VIEW DRIVE SHOWN HERE.

NOTE ALL THE HOMES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE ROUNDABOUT.

AT THIS ROUNDABOUT. RESIDENTS REPORTED 8 CRASHES IN AN 18 MONTH PERIOD WHEN DRIVERS DID NOT STAY IN THE LANE.

SEVERAL OF THESE RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY DAMAGE TO AT LEAST 4 DIFFERENT CARS.

HARDSCAPE AND THE HOMES THEMSELVES. THIS ONE HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS MULTIPLE TIMES.

SAN DIEGO CITY STAFF'S RESPONSE WAS, BUT NATIONAL STATISTICS SHOW THAT ROUNDABOUTS ARE VERY SAFE.

THERE ARE ALSO A COUPLE OF SIMILAR ROUNDABOUTS ON LEUCADIA BOULEVARD IN ENCINITAS, WHICH ALSO HAVE ELEVATED CRASH RATES.

A RESIDENT ADJACENT TO 1 OF THE POSTS ADJACENT TO 1 OF THEM POST VIDEOS ON INSTAGRAM FROM A SECURITY CAMERA DOCUMENTING THE CRASHES INTO THE CENTRAL ISLAND AND SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH CONTINUE TO OCCUR NOW OVER 17 YEARS AFTER THEY WERE INSTALLED.

NOW MOVING TO EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, THE CANNON ROAD ROUNDABOUT IS EXPECTED TO CAUSE SOME DELAYS AT PEAK TIMES.

THERE IS NOW A FIRE STATION NEARBY, AND RESTRICTING WIDTH TO A SINGLE LANE COULD CAUSE ISSUES FOR RESPONSE TIMES, EVEN IF THE DELAY IS ONLY 30S, THAT COULD MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN LIFE VERSUS DEATH.

THE RESTRICTION DOWN TO A SINGLE LANE ALSO COULD CAUSE AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION BOTTLENECK.

IN ADDITION, ROUNDABOUTS CREATE A CONTINUOUS STREAM OF VEHICLES WITH NO BRAKES, SO LOCAL RESIDENTS MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY EXITING THEIR DRIVEWAYS OR GETTING FROM SHORE DRIVE ONTO THE BOULEVARD DURING PEAK TIMES. THEY CURRENTLY RELY ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO CREATE BREAKS IN THE TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO GET ONTO CARLSBAD BOULEVARD.

THE ROUNDABOUT ALSO WOULD FORCE PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS WITHOUT ANY STOP CONTROL.

THIS IS A RENDERING I'VE SHOWN BEFORE FROM TAMARACK.

AND CYCLISTS WILL BE FORCED TO EITHER MERGE INTO THE VEHICLE LANE OR DISMOUNT ON THE SIDEWALK AND WALK THEIR BIKES AROUND.

AND FINALLY, CHOOSING OPTION NUMBER 2 WOULD SAVE 12 TO $14 MILLION OR MORE RELATIVE TO THE ROUNDABOUT FUNDS THAT COULD BE USED INSTEAD FOR OTHER SAFETY OR CAPACITY PROJECTS, INCLUDING SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AND PERHAPS CLOSING SOME GAPS IN THE COASTAL RAIL TRAIL.

ALL RIGHT, AS A FINAL NOTE, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ROUNDABOUTS CAN BE VERY USEFUL AND APPROPRIATE AT SOME INTERSECTIONS, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME SORT OF OBSESSION WITH THEM AND A DESIRE TO FORCE THEM IN EVERYWHERE.

THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, I OBTAINED HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF STAFF INTERACTIONS WITH TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS ON THE NOW DEFUNCT ROUNDABOUT AT TAMARACK.

A MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS DID STUDIES OVER THE YEARS AND TOLD STAFF THAT A ROUNDABOUT WAS NOT FEASIBLE THERE DUE TO GEOMETRIC CONSTRAINTS AND VOLUMES OF VEHICLES.

HOWEVER, INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROBLEMS AND STICKING WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO GET THE PROJECT DONE, STAFF SOUGHT OUT OTHER CONSULTANTS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TELL YOU AND THE PUBLIC THAT THE ROUNDABOUT MADE SENSE.

THE LAST DESIGN CONSULTANT STATED, QUOTE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE ROUNDABOUT FAILS.

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OUR TRAFFIC TEAM LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO GET AROUND THIS AND THERE WASN'T.

THE VEHICLE COUNTS ARE JUST TOO HIGH. BUT STAFF LITERALLY TOLD THE CONSULTANT, QUOTE, WE WANT THE TRAFFIC REPORT TO SHOW THE ROUNDABOUT IS WORKING. UNQUOTE. AND THEY PROCEEDED TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC REPORT.

THEY SWITCHED TO A TRAFFIC MODEL THAT PREDICTED FUTURE DECLINES IN TRAFFIC RATHER THAN INCREASES.

THEY CHANGED A FACTOR IN THE MODELING OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT MAKES DRIVERS MORE AGGRESSIVE, ENTERING GAPS IN TRAFFIC THAT ARE BARELY BIG ENOUGH TO FIT THEIR VEHICLES.

UNQUOTE. THEY CHANGED THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO GET THEIR DESIRED RESULT, AND LATER BRAGGED TO A CONSULTANT, QUOTE, I GOT 6 ROUNDABOUTS APPROVED IN PLANNING DOCUMENTS IN CARLSBAD, 4 ALONG OUR PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY JUST THIS YEAR, UNQUOTE. I'M SURE THIS IS ALL WELL INTENTIONED, BUT IN MY OPINION, THIS PRACTICE NEEDS TO END AND WE NEED MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE'RE DECIDING ON INTERSECTION CONTROLS. SO IN CONCLUSION, PLEASE VOTE FOR OPTION NUMBER 2.

3 IS ALSO OKAY, BUT 2 WILL PROVIDE ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES AND USE THE SAVINGS FOR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS AND CLOSING THE GAPS IN THE COASTAL RAIL TRAIL OR OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE WORTHY.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] CHRIS WRIGHT, FOLLOWED BY TONY MCKENZIE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

AFTER STUDYING THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE TERRAMAR COASTAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO VOTE FOR OPTION 2.

IT IS THE SAFEST OPTION AND A MUCH CHEAPER AND MUCH CHEAPER OPTION THAN OPTION NUMBER 1, WHICH INCLUDES THE ROUNDABOUT ON CANNON.

ACCORDING TO THE GENERAL PLAN MOBILITY ELEMENT APPROVED IN 2015, THIS SEGMENT OF CARLSBAD BOULEVARD WAS NAMED A COASTAL STREET DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES ALONG THAT ROADWAY SEGMENT, AND IT ALSO HAS THE HIGHEST USE FOR BICYCLE TRAVEL IN THE CITY.

IN ADDITION, THE SUSTAINABLE MOBILITY PLAN HAS IDENTIFIED THIS SEGMENT AS IN NEED OF ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES.

ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY. FOR THIS PROJECT GIVEN TO RESIDENTS OF TERRAMAR IN 2015.

THE RESIDENTS PLACED SAFETY FIRST AND AND A BALANCE OF USE BETWEEN CARS, BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS AS TOP PRIORITIES.

ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN YEARS SINCE THAT SURVEY, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT RESIDENTS WOULD NOT PRIORITIZE SAFETY TODAY.

COST HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ALREADY. THE STAFF SAID 19.4 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT 1 OPTION NUMBER ONE, AND WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ABOUT 2.3 MILLION ON THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES, LEAVING APPROXIMATELY 9.8 MILLION FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.

OPTION 1 WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL 5.7 MILLION FROM CITY COFFERS.

OPTION 2, WITHOUT THE ROUNDABOUT HAS A COST RANGE OF 3 TO 5 MILLION, IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS COSTLY AND WILL PROVIDE THE SIDEWALKS AND PROTECTED BIKE LANES KEEPING THE 2 TRAFFIC LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, PLUS A RETURN UP TO 6.8 MILLION BACK TO THE CITY.

OPTION 3 WILL BE EVEN LESS COSTLY AT 1 TO 1.5 MILLION, BUT WON'T HAVE THE MUCH NEEDED SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WAS LISTED IN THE OUTREACH TO OUR RESIDENTS. COMPLETION TIME OPTION ONE WILL REQUIRE CPUC APPROVAL, WHICH CAN DELAY THE PROJECT MORE THAN 7 YEARS EVEN BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS. OPTION 2 APPROVED STATES THAT CONSTRUCTION COULD BEGIN AT LATE 2026 AND TAKE UP TO 3 YEARS TO COMPLETE.

OPTION 3, IF APPROVED, COULD TAKE UP TO 2 YEARS TO COMPLETE GIVEN ALL THE FACTS.

OPTION 2 PROVIDES 2 LANES EACH WAY, NO ROUNDABOUT AND THE SAFETY FEATURES REQUESTED BY RESIDENTS COMPLETED WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME AND A COST WITH NO EXTRA MONEY, AS REQUIRED BY OPTION 1.

I WOULD LIKE TO. THIS COMMUNITY WOULD GREATLY BENEFIT FROM SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES KEEPING THE 2 CAR LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.

PLEASE VOTE FOR OPTION 2. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING.

USUALLY WE LOOK AT CLAPPING AS A RESULT OF ENTERTAINMENT.

AND THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING, SO. THANKS. HELLO.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. MY HOME IS AT 5276 CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, RIGHT ACROSS FROM SHORE DRIVE.

I WAS HERE BEFORE WHEN YOU HAD THE 1ST LAYOUT OF THE PLAN.

AND WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND AND THE CHANGE OF SOME THINGS.

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SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU MY INPUT. BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY IS EXTREMELY HARD IN THE SUMMER.

I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE KEEPING THE LIGHT AT CEREZO DRIVE, BECAUSE THAT LIGHT IS THE ONLY REASON WE CAN EVEN BACK OUT.

AND THEN ALSO, THE ROUNDABOUT CAUSES WOULD CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR US, BECAUSE JUST PULLING INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND PULLING OUT, TAKING AWAY THAT MIDDLE LANE WOULD BE TERRIBLE, BECAUSE JUST PULLING INTO OUR DRIVEWAY WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THAT. THE OTHER PLAN WAS TO PUT TO CHANGE THE CROSSWALK FROM BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE WITH FLASHING LIGHTS AND TAKING AWAY MY PARKING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

SO I. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL PART OF THE PLAN, BUT I WANTED TO JUST GIVE INPUT ON THAT AS FAR AS KEEPING THE THE CROSSWALK WHERE IT IS NOW AT SHORE DRIVE AND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD, WHICH IS BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

IT WOULD IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF WE COULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PARK A CAR IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LITTLE BUFFER THERE BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE HOUSE.

SO THAT WAS JUST MY INPUT. I'M, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SIDEWALKS ARE IMPORTANT, AND THE SAFETY FOR THE BICYCLISTS ARE IMPORTANT. AND I JUST KNOW THAT WITH THE LIGHTS, IT KEEPS TRAFFIC MONITORED A LITTLE BETTER. SO I'M. I'M JUST SUGGESTING NOT DOING THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE A BIG BENEFIT TO ME.

MY, YOU KNOW, MY HOUSEHOLD AS, BEING ON THAT PROPERTY.

AND BEING ABLE TO GET IN, ESPECIALLY IN SUMMER, PULLING, PULLING INTO THE DRIVEWAY IS, IS YOU HAVE TO TIME IT WHEN THE, WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE AT CEREZO DRIVE AND AND AT CANNON.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THAT. AND AND IF WE COULD NOT APPROVE THE ROUNDABOUT.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, MR. SHIN. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, TOM. AND WE'RE JUST A COUPLE OF CONFIRMATIONS, SO WE'RE CONFIRMING THAT THE DESIGN ENGINEERING FOR OPTION 1 IS ROUGHLY 90% COMPLETE.

IT'S KIND OF PACKAGED AND READY TO GO IF WE WANT TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THAT.

YEAH, IT'S AT 90%. SO THERE IS SOME WORK TO STILL BE DONE BOTH ON DESIGN AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING AND ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING SIDE, IT STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PROCESS.

GOTCHA. AND THEN YOU KNOW, THIS CURRENT MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN GOING ON FOR AND WHEN ARE WE EXPECTING THAT TO BE COMPLETED? IT'S BEEN, AS I PUT UP THAT TIMELINE EARLIER, IF YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU THAT I COULD, BUT BASICALLY.

I'M SORRY. YEAH. LET'S SEE.

SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN IN FALL OF 2024, AND WE'RE EXPECTING A MAJORITY OF THE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, BUT THEN THERE WILL BE SOME PUNCH LIST ITEMS LIKE WRAP UP ITEMS IN THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN LIKE SO GOING FROM OPTION 2 OR 3. REGARDLESS OF THOSE OPTIONS, ARE WE PLANNING ON RESTRIPING EVERYTHING AND SEALING IT THE WAY WE FOUND IT? UNDER THE WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? YEAH, IT WOULD BE REPAIRED, THE TRENCH LINES WOULD BE REPAIRED AND RESTRIPED TO THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION WITH OPTIONS 2 AND 3.

WE WOULD REPAVE THE AREAS THAT WERE SHOWN. BASICALLY THE ENTIRE PROJECT LIMITS WITH NEW PAVEMENT SURFACES AND THEN RESTRIPED TO OUR CURRENT STRIPING CONFIGURATION OR CURRENT STANDARD OF PRACTICE.

OKAY. AND THEN FOR OPTION 3, WE JUST EXPEDITE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS BEING IMPLEMENTED.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. IT'S LOWER COST OKAY. I JUST HAVE COMMENTS AFTER.

THANK YOU, MS, BURKHOLDER. THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST COMMENTS.

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MS. ACOSTA, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FRANK, FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR THIS, THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE IT REALLY SHOWS THE KIND OF CHANGES IN THOUGHTS OVER THE YEARS.

I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT THE INITIAL PROJECT SCOPING.

EARLY ON WAS ABOUT SAFETY. SO WHAT WHAT ARE THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE'RE ESPECIALLY LOOKING TO ADDRESS.

IS IT THE CONFLICT BETWEEN CARS AND PEDESTRIANS, BIKES AND CARS.

LIKE DO WE HAVE ANY DATA AROUND MAYBE COLLISIONS IN THIS AREA? I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS, IS INTERACTIONS BETWEEN CARS, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS? OR IF WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SLOW THINGS DOWN WITHOUT HAVING THAT KIND OF DATA.

YEAH. WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE TIMELINE THAT WAS IS ON THE SCREEN.

THIS EFFORT BEGAN BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2013, AND GOING BACK TO THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, THERE WERE COLLISIONS.

THERE WAS WITHIN A 4 YEAR PERIOD WHEN THERE WAS STUDYING THE PROJECT, THERE WAS ONE ACTUAL FATALITY, A MOTORCYCLE THAT IN THE AREA IN THE ROAD SEGMENT AREA IN 2018.

BUT FROM WHAT I REVIEWED FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, IT WAS ABOUT STREET IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT AREA.

AND THEN THEY WERE ALSO LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE, OF THE OF THE ROAD SEGMENT AND THE INTERSECTION.

SO THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THE CITY WAS CONSIDERING THE ROUNDABOUT ALTERNATIVE AT THE INTERSECTIONS.

AND AS A RESULT OF PREVIOUS COUNCIL ACTION IN 2018 THE CITY COUNCIL ELECTED TO KEEP THE INTERSECTION AS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AND ELECTED TO GO WITH THE ROUNDABOUT AT CANNON ROAD.

OKAY. CAN YOU SHOW THE THE RENDERING? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS YOURS OR WAS MR. LINKEYS THAT WAS UP ON THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE RENDERING OF OPTION 1.

DID YOU HAVE THAT IN THIS SLIDE PRESENTATION? YES, I HAD A GRAPHIC SHOWING. YEAH. CAN YOU GRAB THAT? OKAY. AND SO I THINK I WAS THINKING OF MR. LINKEYS SLIDE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS THE ONE THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY SHOWN US THAT SHOWED IT WAS MR. LINKEYS SLIDE BECAUSE HE HAD THE ARROWS OF WHERE THE BICYCLIST WOULD ENTER ON THE SIDEWALK OR COULD MERGE WITH THE TRAFFIC.

YEAH. THAT WAS OH, THAT WAS FOR TAMARACK. YEAH.

BUT I CAN PULL UP MR. LINKEYS AND GO TO THAT SLIDE THAT YOU REFERENCED.

SO MY QUESTION IS WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP IS ABOUT WHETHER THE LANE REDUCTION WOULD IN OPTION 1, THE PROPOSED LANE REDUCTION WOULD LOOK THE SAME AS IN THIS RENDERING AND HAVE THAT SAME FLOW FOR THE BIKE.

FOR A BICYCLIST, WOULD THEY GO ON THE SIDEWALK, GET DISMOUNT FROM THEIR BIKE AND WALK THEIR BIKE ON THE SIDEWALK, OR HAVE TO MERGE WITH THE CARS GOING AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT? YES. SO ON YOUR SCREEN, IT WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME OPTIONS BASICALLY.

SO THE BICYCLIST TYPICALLY TAKE THE LANE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE SHARE IS AT.

SO IN THIS CASE THAT BICYCLIST WOULD LIKELY SLOW DOWN AND TRAIL BEHIND THE BLUE CAR.

THE SPEEDS AND ROUNDABOUTS RANGE BETWEEN 15 TO 20 TO 25 MILES AN HOUR.

AND SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE EXPERIENCED BICYCLISTS DO.

AND IF THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE, IF THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE INEXPERIENCED, THEN THEY WOULD LIKELY ELECT TO TAKE THE RAMPS AND GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION ON THE SHARED PATHWAY, WHICH IS MR. LINKEYS RED ARROW. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE THE SIMILAR CONFIGURATION.

THANK YOU. AND FOR AND SO THIS IS FOR OPTION 1.

THIS IS THE $19.4 MILLION CONSTRUCTION OPTION.

AND THEN FOR THE FOR NUMBER 2 THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ROUNDABOUT BUT HAS RESURFACING, RESTRIPING HAS NO LANE REDUCTIONS.

THIS NONE OF THAT WOULD EXIST FOR, FOR THAT. BUT THERE WOULD BE SOME, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW SAFETY MEASURES AND THAT WOULD COST. HOW MUCH? UNDER 5 MILLION.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 3 TO 5 MILLION OR SO AND TAKE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

2 YEARS, 3 YEARS? YEAH. IT WAS 2 TO 3 YEARS, RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN, I HEAR YOU, I THINK THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

THANKS, MS. BHAT-PATEL. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND THANK YOU TO THE SPEAKERS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND ALL THE OUTREACH THAT WE'VE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND 1 IS WITH REGARDS TO THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED, I KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED QUITE A BIT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE RECEIVED,

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BUT CURIOUS TO HEAR IF THERE WAS A PARTICULAR OPTION THAT YOU SAW.

AS YOU RECEIVED FEEDBACK PERSONALLY THAT FOLKS WERE FAVORING? I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

I DID REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE TERRAMAR RESIDENTS THAT WERE REALLY INTERESTED AND ACTIVE IN THE PROJECT, AND THEY WERE AWARE OF THIS MEETING AND DID THEY WERE, WELL, WELL READ.

SO THEY READ THE STAFF REPORT AND THE PUBLIC BURKHOLDEROMMENTS. SO YOU HAVE THE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU AND, AND THEY DO SPEAK TO WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES ARE.

GREAT. THANK YOU. SO IT'S THE SAME AS WHAT WHAT WE RECEIVED.

ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY CAN YOU SHOW ME AGAIN THE SEGMENT THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING ON. YEAH. ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU IN YELLOW SHOWS THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK. THE NEW SIDEWALK LOCATIONS.

AND SO THE SOLID YELLOW IS ON THE WEST SIDE. THAT'S WHERE THE HEAVY DEMAND FOR THE WALKWAY IS.

THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO WALK ON THE OCEAN SIDE.

SO WE'RE THINKING THE WALKWAY WIDTH WOULD BE ABOUT AN 8 FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE WE HAVE THE DASHED YELLOW LINE.

THAT WOULD BE A MUCH NARROWER, LIKE MINIMAL SIDEWALK, BECAUSE THAT SIDEWALK REALLY SERVES THE RESIDENTS ALONG THAT STREET FRONTAGE.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE THE LIMITS BASICALLY ON THE WEST SIDE, IT WOULD GO FROM TIERRA DEL ORO STREET TO CEREZO DRIVE, AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE IT WOULD GO FROM CANNON ROAD TO MANZANO.

OKAY. ALRIGHTY. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.

I JUST HAVE COMMENTS. THANKS. THE WAY I'M STRUGGLING BETWEEN NUMBER 2 AND NUMBER 3 THE DIFFERENCES IS PRETTY MUCH JUST THE SIDEWALK.

ON THE WEST SIDE IS MOST OF THE TRAFFIC. I PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE.

I RARELY SEE ANYBODY WALKING OVER THERE, BUT THEY'RE USUALLY ON THE WEST SIDE.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF A DIRT BERM, KIND OF A FUNKY KIND OF AREA SORT OF BEACHY.

AND AND IT'S USED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. PEOPLE PARK THERE, PEOPLE WALK THERE.

IF AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE COMES THROUGH, PEOPLE CAN PULL OVER THERE, OR IF THERE'S A SIDEWALK, IT'S GOING TO KIND OF LIMIT IT TO JUST SIDEWALK.

1 OF THE SPEAKERS MADE A COMMENT ABOUT PARKING WOULD TAKE AWAY THEIR PARKING OPPORTUNITIES, ALTHOUGH I DON'T MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON ONE RESIDENT'S PARKING NEEDS, BUT IT'S THAT IT'D BE THAT WAY ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

DO WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NEED FOR A SIDEWALK THERE? IN OTHER WORDS, DO. DO WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS GETTING HIT? AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ACCIDENTS, BUT A SIDEWALK IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE WHEN A MOTORCYCLE IS DOING 100 DOWN THERE AND CRASHES OR A DRUNK DRIVER.

WE JUST HAD NOT TOO LONG AGO DOING 80 OR 100 CRASHES.

THE STRIPING AND SIDEWALKS MEAN NOTHING TO THOSE ACCIDENTS.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT WEST SIDE.

DO WE REALLY NEED A SIDEWALK? CAN I ASK, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO.

AND PERHAPS IT MAY HELP IN MR. FRANK'S RESPONSE SHOULD OPTION 2 MOVE FORWARD? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP THEN, TOM, WITH REGARD TO ARE WE COMING BACK WITH DESIGNS FOR BOTH, OR WILL COUNCIL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT PERHAPS WE DON'T NEED THE SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT COUNCIL CAN EXPECT? SHOULD OPTION 2 MOVE FORWARD VERSUS OPTION3? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SIR. SO IF OPTION NUMBER 2 IS SELECTED WHAT STAFF WOULD DO IS WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK FOR FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD DO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC OUTREACH.

SO WE'LL HOLD PUBLIC WORKSHOPS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TO GET THEIR INPUT.

TO YOUR POINT, THERE IS NOT A BIG DEMAND FOR FOR PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND IN FACT, IT WOULD JUST SERVE THOSE RESIDENTS ALONG THOSE AREAS, MAINLY EVERYBODY, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RECREATING AND USING THAT THAT ROAD SEGMENT FOR PEDESTRIAN USES IS ON THE WEST SIDE. SO WE WOULD GET INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS IF THEY DID, IN FACT WANT THAT EAST SIDE SIDEWALK OR NOT. AND THEN WE WOULD BRING THAT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT AND IF CITY COUNCIL IN SOME FUTURE DATE CHOSE TO TO DO SOMETHING BEYOND THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED AND TO WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE WITH THAT.

SO WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE ADDRESSED ALL POSSIBLE ISSUES THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IN REGARDS TO ANY FUTURE ROAD

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IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD TRY TO MINIMIZE ANY REDO OR ANY, ANY RECONSTRUCTION IN THE FUTURE AND ALSO MINIMIZE THE INCONVENIENCE TO THE PUBLIC.

THE WE HAVE WE'VE GONE THIS LONG WITHOUT A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE.

AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A SIDEWALK THERE.

AND I GUESS THERE NEVER HAS. AND EVEN IF WE DID PUT IN A SIDEWALK, IT ENDS AND THEN IT TURNS TO DIRT ANYWAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO SOUTH.

THAT'S CORRECT. ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS PROJECT, IT DOES TERMINATE AND THEN GO INTO EITHER DIRT AND OR BIKE LANE.

SO I'M ASKING YOU FOR A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE.

IS IT NECESSARY TO TO PICK NUMBER 2, TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE, OR IS OR IS THIS KIND OF THE FUNKY, BEACHY KIND OF ATMOSPHERE OF BEING DIRT THERE? IS THAT WORKING OKAY, SO IT'S OKAY TO ANSWER IT? FROM MY ENGINEERING HAT STANDPOINT AND IT'S REALLY IT'S A COUNCIL DECISION.

IT'S A POLICY DECISION. BUT TO YOUR POINT, THERE WASN'T THERE THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN COLLISIONS ALONG THAT ROAD SEGMENT.

WHAT ISN'T CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IS AN ADA PATHWAY ALONG THAT, THAT, THAT ROAD SEGMENT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA THAT PEOPLE ENJOY TO THE NORTH FROM TAMARACK UP TO PINE AVENUE, THAT'S VERY HEAVILY UTILIZED AND PEOPLE ENJOY WALKING ON IT.

SO SOME PEOPLE LIKE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE BEACHY FEEL AND THEY LIKE THE WAY IT EXISTS TODAY AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE MORE OF AN ADA PATHWAY.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I CAN OFFER. SHE TO THE POINT WHERE BOTH OPTION 2 AND 3 ARE VIABLE OPTIONS.

AND, AND THEY ALSO BOTH LEAVE COUNCIL OPEN TO ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS ROAD SEGMENT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ADA ACCESSIBILITY OBVIOUSLY, IF WE DID PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE, IT ENDS ANYWAY, AS YOU CONTINUE TO GO SOUTH, IS THERE A LAW THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE FOR ADA REQUIREMENTS? THERE IS NO LAW THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MS. BHAT-PATEL HAS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MAYOR.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. FRANK. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER SEGMENT IN NORTH COUNTY WHERE THERE IS LIKE A HUGE 3 MILE STRETCH WHERE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE.

I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY ONE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, THAT'S OKAY, BUT I AM PRETTY SURE I'M ACCURATE ON THAT.

I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH ALL OF THE THE NORTH COUNTY AND YEAH, THE COASTAL ROADWAYS AND I I'M NOT I'M NOT COMING UP WITH, WITH A ROAD SEGMENT THAT. I'M THINKING OF OCEANSIDE.

I WANT TO SAY IT'S PACIFIC STREET. THE HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT ON THE BEACH.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE. YEAH, AND THERE ARE OTHER THERE ARE OTHER COASTAL STREETS THAT DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS, LIKE. YEAH, A LOT OF THE ONES THAT ARE PARALLEL DIRECTLY TO THE BEACH, WHICH WOULD BE WEST OF, OF OKAY, PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY ROUTE, WHICH IS OUR CARLSBAD BOULEVARD.

YEAH. AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME SEGMENTS IN SAN CLEMENTE, BUT THAT'S NOT HERE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. SO. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST I HAVE COMMENTS WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, BUT LET'S JUMP ALL THE WAY BACK TO MR. SHIN FOR FOR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I BELIEVE SO.

I BELIEVE THE MAYOR TEED THIS UP WHEN WE HAD THE LAND SWAP AND TO REVISIT THIS.

RIGHT. AND SO IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, WE'VE GOT THIS TIMELINE ISSUE.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD A FEW YEARS OF DOING CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY IN THE LOCATION.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUMP AND DO ANOTHER ROUND OF CONSTRUCTION, FOLLOWED BY THIS LAND SWAP, WHICH WILL REQUIRE ANOTHER SET OF CONSTRUCTION.

I WOULD FEEL LIKE IF I LIVED IN THAT AREA, THAT HALF OF MY MORTGAGE THAT I END UP PAYING FOR WAS JUST DURING CONSTRUCTION ZONE TIMES.

AND I WOULD IT WOULD PROBABLY FRUSTRATE ME QUITE A BIT.

SO I THINK THE KEY THING TOO IS ALSO JUST TAKING CONSIDERATION.

LIKE WHAT? WHAT? WHAT'S THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AS WE DO THIS? I'M IT'S THE ONE. ONE OF THE FEW REASONS WHY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GOING WITH OPTION 1 RIGHT NOW IS JUST BECAUSE OF FROM COSTS, BUT THEN ALSO WE'RE NOT TOO SURE WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN THAT AREA ONCE WE WE GO UP THERE.

SO I'M GOING TO PUSH THAT GUY ASIDE. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY TO COMPLETELY NEVER TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN.

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WHEN WE GET TO THAT 7 YEAR MARK AND WE DO THE LAND SWAP, BECAUSE IF 7 YEARS AGO WE WERE TRYING TO ADOPT TRAFFIC CIRCLES AND ROUNDABOUTS, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A CHANGE OF WIND, IT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO I LOVE HAVING OPTIONS ON THE TABLE. WITH THE DISCUSSION, WHAT I WAS THINKING PRIOR, I FEEL LIKE WHAT'S BEST IS KIND OF A HYBRID VERSION OF 2 AND 3, MEANING THAT IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GO WITH OPTION 3, BUT STILL LOOK AT CONCEPTS WITH INITIAL DESIGNS OF OPTION 2.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE MARRIED WITH IT YET, BECAUSE WE'LL ALLOW OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO REALLY FACTOR IN WHETHER OPTION 2 IS VIABLE FOR THEM AS WELL. IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE THIS AND MAKE A COMPLETE OBSTACLE FOR THEM TO JUST BE ABLE TO GO IN AND OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY, I FEEL LIKE WE JUST DID A DISSERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION 3, BUT ALSO ADDING THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST JUST GET THROUGH THE INITIAL CONCEPT PHASE OF OPTION 2.

THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS WAS VERY WELL INDICATED ON SLIDE NUMBER 7.

I BELIEVE THE TIMELINE WHERE THIS STARTED IN 2013 AND WE'RE IN 2025.

I'M NO MATHEMATICIAN, BUT THAT'S 12 YEARS. THAT'S A LONG TIME TO BE WAITING ON.

I THINK MAYBE A HALF MILE SEGMENT OF OF ROADWAY TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.

I AM DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR OF SPENDING $19 MILLION ON A ROUNDABOUT.

BECAUSE THAT REDUCES THE RAILROAD LANES WEST OF THE THE LANES WEST OF THE RAILROAD.

I DIDN'T ASK THE CHIEF, BUT I BET IF I ASKED HIM, HE WOULD SAY HE DOESN'T LIKE THAT.

CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP? AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO DO YOU WANT TO MAYBE COME UP AND SAY THAT OR SAY WHAT YOU WOULD SAY ABOUT IT? NOT TO? NO LEADING QUESTIONS OVER HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

MIKE. FIRE CHIEF CARLSBAD. FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, OPTION 2 AND OPTION 3.

WE HAVE NO OPINION. BOTH ARE VIABLE OPTIONS. WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE OUTWARDLY WOULD OBJECT FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE TO OPTION 1. THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH OPTION 1.

SIMILAR TO THE CONCERNS WITH TAMARACK. THERE ARE THERE ARE CHOKE POINTS IN THIS CASE, THE CHOKE POINTS.

THERE'S 3 JUST BETWEEN WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE AND THE FREEWAY, AND THAT WOULD BE THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WHICH THE COMMERCE TRAFFIC ON THE RAILROAD CONTINUES TO INCREASE.

THERE'S ALSO THE SIGNAL LIGHT AT AVENUE AND THE SIGNAL LIGHTS FOR THE ON RAMP AND OFF RAMP OF THE FREEWAY AS WELL, WHICH COULD IMPEDE OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE OUT OF FIRE STATION 7.

THERE'S ALSO A CHOKE POINT WITH THE SIGNAL LIGHT AT TERESA, WHICH MAKES THE ROUNDABOUT NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, ALTHOUGH WE WOULDN'T SIGNIFICANTLY WE WOULDN'T OBJECT TO IT OUTRIGHT.

AGAIN, TRAFFIC CIRCLES AND ROUNDABOUTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE GOOD THINGS AND PLANNED COMMUNITIES.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.

AND WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT OF PREDICTIVE FEATURING.

WE DO KNOW THAT THE THE LAND SWAP IS TAKING PLACE.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH THE SDGE AND NRG.

WE KNOW THERE'S A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION THERE AND WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL.

IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THERE WILL BE A PERMANENT FIRE STATION SOMEWHERE ON THAT LAND, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE. AND PUTTING A ROUNDABOUT IN THAT LOCATION RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE WHERE THAT FIRE STATION IS GOING TO BE AND WHAT OTHER PIECES OF THINGS WILL BE ON THAT LAND, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIME FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE TO SPEND THE MONEY AND PUT A ROUNDABOUT.

THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THAT'S AN OPTION 1 FOR YOU.

OPTION 3, I THINK, IS TOO LONG FOR THE RESIDENTS TO TO WAIT TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE.

WE KNOW THAT THE LAND SWAP DEAL IS GOING TO TAKE 6 OR 8 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS TAKES FOREVER TO DO THINGS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE IT'S GOVERNMENT WORK AND THAT'S NORMAL.

BUT I THINK THAT IS NOT PRACTICAL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT THERE AND WANT TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.

NOR IS IT REALLY SAFE OR FAIR. SO I'M NOT INCLINED FOR OPTION 3 OPTION 2, 3 TO $5 MILLION A 2 TO 3 YEAR COMPLETION TIME FRAME WITH SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMETHING DONE FOR THE RESIDENTS, I THINK IS VERY REASONABLE.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT STAFF WON'T BE BRING BACK TO YOUR POINT, MR. SHIN THAT STAFF WON'T BRING BACK SOMETHING INTERTWINED INTO OPTION 3 WHEN THEY COME BACK.

IF WE VOTE FOR OPTION 2, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE AND I FIND STAFF TO BE VERY REASONABLE.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE THAT BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK AS WELL. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, YOU KNOW, THE TIME FRAME, IF WE WERE IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY, THIS WOULD HAVE HAD TO BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, A PUNCH LIST AND DONE UNDER BUDGET AND FAST.

SO I THINK THAT IS WHY I WILL BE GOING FOR OPTION 2 AND NOT SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY AND GETTING THOSE NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS.

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THANKS, MR. ACOSTA. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, MR. FRANK, FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS.

NOT JUST YOU, BUT YOUR TEAM AND THE OTHERS WHO'VE WORKED ON THIS TOO.

THANKS TO THE FOLKS WHO HAVE EMAILED US AND SHOWN UP AND CALLED, WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN AND WANT TO GIVE THEIR INPUT, AND ESPECIALLY TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA AND THE PEOPLE WHO USE THIS AREA ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE ALSO SOME, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST AND THE NEED FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.

WHICH IS WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT DATA AND, AND WHY WE HAVE TO DO IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IT OFF FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.

AND IT'S DOESN'T SEEM THAT THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR IT.

THOUGH I DO SEE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A LOT OF SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, AND I WOULD SAY MODERNIZATION OF OUR, OF OUR SIDEWALKS AND, AND OUR VARIOUS MOBILITY FEATURES FROM OUR BIKE LANES TO TO SIDEWALKS THAT CONNECT.

YOU KNOW, WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, BUT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, NOT JUST IN A CAR.

RIGHT. SO THAT OUR BIKE LANES ARE CONNECTED, THAT OUR WALKWAYS ARE CONNECTED.

THAT'S WHY I AM ALSO VERY SUPPORTIVE OF SIDEWALKS, ESPECIALLY ADA FRIENDLY ONES.

EVEN IF IT'S JUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. I HEAR COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME IN MY AREA, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE FURTHEST SOUTH DISTRICT, AND IT'S NOT THIS AREA, BUT PEOPLE WANT TO WALK.

THEY TREASURE HAVING AN OUTDOOR LIFESTYLE, LIVING IN CARLSBAD, LIVING NEAR THE BEACH AND THEY WANT TO WALK.

AND WHEN THEY CAN'T WALK ON A SIDEWALK, THEY WILL EITHER WALK DANGEROUSLY IN THE ROAD OR THEY WILL FIND ANOTHER PLACE AND JUST GRUMBLE ABOUT IT AND CALL US AND COMPLAIN.

SO I DO BELIEVE WE NEED THOSE SIDEWALKS AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE PUTTING THINGS OFF TOO LONG.

SO I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF OPTION 2. THANK YOU, MS. BHAT-PATEL. YES. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN MUCH GRATITUDE TO OUR STAFF AND TO ALL THOSE THAT ARE HERE AND THOSE THAT WROTE IN AS WELL. SO JUST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S TAKEN 12 YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT.

AND THE OTHER PIECE IS I JUST I DO WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT HAVING SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY DOWN OUR COASTLINE CARLSBAD'S COASTLINE WOULD BE AMAZING. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE I FIRST STARTED.

THAT ESPECIALLY SOUTH CARLSBAD, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, I MEAN, MY FAMILY AND I WERE YES, WE'RE IN SOUTH CARLSBAD, BUT WE WALK FROM POINSETTIA AREA ALL THE WAY TO THE VILLAGE.

THAT SEGMENT I FREQUENT ALL THE TIME. I AND I, WE DO IT ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND.

AND I HAVE WITNESSED A LOT OF DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS, ALTERCATIONS, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, WHETHER IT'S CARS, BIKES, PEDESTRIANS YOU HAVE FAMILIES THAT ARE WALKING THERE WITH CHILDREN YOU HAVE FAMILIES THAT ARE WALKING THERE WITH CHILDREN WITH STROLLERS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FOLKS, WHETHER IT'S CYCLISTS FROM OUT OF TOWN FROM HERE THAT ARE ALSO UTILIZING THAT SPACE, THAT DIRT PATH THAT IS THERE THAT ENDS UP BEING UTILIZED FOR CARS.

SO YOU HAVE PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS WALKING IN THE BIKE LANE, VERY CLOSE TO CARS THAT ARE NOT GOING THE SPEED LIMIT.

SO I CAN TELL YOU WITHOUT A DOUBT, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING 35 MILES AN HOUR AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

THEY'RE GOING AT LEAST 50, IF NOT SOMETIMES 60 MILES AN HOUR, RIGHT NEXT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING OR BIKING.

AND THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT SEGMENTS WHERE THAT SPEED GETS THAT THAT SPEED INCREASES BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SLOPE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING OR YOU JUST HAVE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN WHO DON'T, FRANKLY, CARE.

AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR IS THE COASTAL ACCESS PIECE THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR AND CONTINUE TO WANT TO ENSURE THAT OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHO HAS CLEARLY INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY, HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCESS.

AND SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE IS THAT THIS IMPROVES.

THE OPTION 2 IS ONE THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT I HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES THAT SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK THAT HELPS IMPROVE THAT COASTAL ACCESS PIECE AS WELL.

IT STILL WILL TAKE US ABOUT 3 YEARS TO COMPLETE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT IMMEDIATE. IT'S NOT HAPPENING TOMORROW.

I THINK FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GARNER FEEDBACK WITH REGARDS TO THE OTHER SIDE.

ESPECIALLY THE WEST SIDE DOES NEED A SIDEWALK, I WILL TELL YOU THAT.

WITHOUT A DOUBT. I CALL JEFF. I THINK ALMOST ALL THE TIME WHEN I'M ON THAT SEGMENT.

AND THEN I'M SURE MR. FRANK, YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WHILE I'M ON THAT WALK AND I THINK OR A RUN,

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YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S EVERY SINGLE TIME I THINK ONE THING I DO HEAR IS, YES, THERE'S A COST.

AND I KNOW THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS EXPENSIVE, WHICH IS GREAT.

HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE WE CAN'T PUT A COST ON HUMAN LIFE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANT TO SAY IS THAT IF IF WE CAN DO IT IN A MORE COST EFFICIENT MANNER, WHICH IS GREAT, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS AREA, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IT REGARDLESS OF IF WE HAVE A SIDEWALK OR NOT, AND IF WE CAN MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE. I AM 100% IN ON THAT.

I THINK THE ONE THING THAT I KNOW WE ARE VERY MUCH WANTING TO DO IS HAVE MORE COMPLETE STREETS IN GENERAL THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANT TO REEMPHASIZE, IS THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR SEGMENT.

WE OBVIOUSLY NEED IT IN SO MANY OTHER PLACES AS WELL.

BUT I WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK IT WOULD IMPROVE THIS AREA SO MUCH.

I HONESTLY THINK THAT IF WE HAD IT, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'D LOVE TO SEE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE AMAZING.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY IN THIS PARTICULAR MATTER.

SO I WILL I WILL JUST SAY, AND I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR STILL HAS TO GO, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE OPTION 2 FOR THIS TONIGHT.

SECOND. I'M A FOR SURE NO ON OPTION 1, SO I'LL JUST SKIP RIGHT OVER THAT.

BETWEEN OPTION 2 AND 3, I'VE REALLY BEEN KICKING IT AROUND AND LISTENING TO EVERYBODY.

THAT WEST SIDE HAS NOT HAD A SIDEWALK IN HUNDREDS OF, I MEAN, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF HISTORY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GOING TO BE AN EMERGENCY TO GET IT DONE RIGHT AWAY.

I LIKE THE FEEL THAT BEACHY FEEL OF IT NOT BEING A SIDEWALK.

BUT I ALSO AM LISTENING TO WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY.

AND I CAN COUNT AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO PASS.

THAT NUMBER 2 IS GOING TO PASS FROM LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS.

BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO STAND UP FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO KEEP THAT BEACHY FEEL, AND I'M GOING TO STICK WITH NUMBER 3.

I KNOW I'M GOING TO LOSE THIS VOTE, BUT AT LEAST I'LL, I'LL THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KEEP IT BEACHY WILL AT LEAST KNOW 1 OF US.

WANTED TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. MR. SHIN. OH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

I JUST WANT TO SO IF WE GO WITH OPTION 2, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT DURING THE INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPT, WE CAN TAKE A REAL PAUSE BACK BASED OFF OF WHAT THE LOCAL RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA SAY.

RIGHT. LIKE THIS ISN'T MY ONLY CONCERN WAS LIKE THAT WE THAT DURING THIS TIME, WHILE WE'RE DOING THE INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPT, THAT SOMETHING'S NOT BEING LAID OUT THERE WITH A GOOD SENSE OF SAFETY, LIKE HOW WE'RE STRIPING EVERYTHING AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET SET UP AND, WELL, IN THE MEANTIME OF DECIDING WHICH WAY WE GO WITH.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ONLY REAL CONCERN. OPTION 2 IF I CAN ANSWER TOM, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT OPTION TWO WILL INVOLVE A PERIOD OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO GET UPDATED FEEDBACK.

I MEAN, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. DO YOU GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE THE FEEL AND REQUESTS ARE IN THAT AREA? AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE LATEST IN, IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND TRAFFIC INFORMATION AS WELL.

WE'LL DESIGN VARIOUS OPTIONS ON BOTH SIDES, AND THEN WE'LL BRING ALL OF THIS BACK TO COUNCIL TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHAT THE ULTIMATELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, WHETHER IT'S A SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES, IT'S A SIDEWALK ON 1, IT'S NO SIDEWALK OPTION 2 AS OPPOSED.

AND WITH OPTION 3 ALSO INCLUDES RESURFACING AND BRINGING BACK THE STREET TO BEFORE WHEN THEY'VE DONE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEEN IMPACTING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LAST FOR THE LAST YEAR AS WELL. TOM, DID I MISS ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? NO, IT SOUNDS COMPLETE, SIR. SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, FOR THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE 101 THROUGH THIS AREA.

IT'S IF THEY PUT IT A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN A SIDEWALK WILL BE PUT ON AND PUT IN ON THE EAST SIDE.

I JUST WANT THOSE RESIDENTS TO BE REASSURED OF THAT.

COUNCIL WILL BE GIVEN THE VARIOUS OPTIONS, WILL BE ABLE TO PLAN IT OUT AND AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME, COUNCIL WILL GIVE US DIRECTION AT THAT POINT. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER? OH, MS. BURKHOLDER, I'M JUST WONDERING, MAYOR, IF IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WOULD CONSIDER JUST DELETING THE EAST SIDE SIDEWALK NOW TO MAKE YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT NUMBER 2, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WOULD AGREE ON NOW.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK. THAT WON'T CHANGE MY MIND. I STILL LIKE THAT FUNKY BEACH FEEL OF THE WEST SIDE.

SO MOTION PLEASE. OH, OKAY. OH, I'M SO SORRY.

OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 1 WITH MY COMMENTS.

[02:15:06]

AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR AGENDA.

[COUNCIL COMMENTARY AND REQUESTS FOR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS]

MR. SHIN COMMENTS. I TRY TO KEEP MY COMPOSURE HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PERSONALLY THANK OUR CARLSBAD FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE CARLSBAD FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION.

I GET CHOKED UP HERE FOR BEING PRESENT AT LAST SUNDAY'S SUNSET CANDLELIGHT VIGIL AT CARLSBAD STATE BEACH, HONORING THE LOSS OF RETIRED. I'M NOT RETIRED RIVERSIDE BATTALION CHIEF SCOTT WILSON.

SCOTT WAS A DEAR, GREAT FRIEND OF MINE FOR OVER 15 YEARS.

HE WAS A MENTOR WHEN I 1ST GOT PROMOTED AS A FIRE CAPTAIN.

YOUR PRESENCE MEANT A LOT TO ME. THAT'S WHY I WRITE THIS DOWN.

IT WAS A TRUE REFLECTION OF THE BROTHER AND SISTERHOOD AND UNITY THAT DEFINES THE FIRE SERVICE FAMILY.

SO, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, SCOTT'S WIFE, JENNIFER, FAMILY AND EVERYONE THAT KNEW HIM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HONORING HIS LEGACY. IT IS NATIONAL FIRST RESPONDERS DAY.

SO HAPPY NATIONAL FIRST RESPONDERS DAY TO ALL OF OUR AMAZING CARLSBAD FIRE AND P.D.

WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU AND ALL THAT YOU DO FOR US.

AND VERY TOUCHING SENTIMENTS BY MY COLLEAGUE KEVIN SHIN.

JUST AN UPDATE QUICKLY. THE SHOPS OF CARLSBAD HAVE CHANGED OWNERSHIP.

I DID HAVE A BRIEF MEETING WITH THE NEW FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER EVERYTHING BUT MACY'S AND JC EVERYTHING BUT MACY'S AND JC PENNEY'S, I THINK AND THEY'RE REALLY WANTING TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO SEE THERE.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY INPUT TO THAT, EMAIL ME AND TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AT THE SHOPS OF CARLSBAD.

NOT THAT I'M A MAGIC MAKER CAN MAKE ANYTHING HAPPEN, BUT I'M HAPPY TO BE THE CONDUIT AND PASS ALONG THE INFORMATION.

AS PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE, I MADE 2 PRESENTATIONS, 1 TO THE SENIOR COMMISSION AND 1 TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECENTLY.

AND WE LEARNED THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT WE DO AT THE LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE AND LEARN HOW TO BETTER PARTNER WITH US TO GET THINGS DONE FOR CARLSBAD.

THAT'S IT. THANKS, MS. ACOSTA. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHIN. WE ARE IN THE TIME OF HALLOWEEN, BUT ALSO DIA DE LOS MUERTOS, WHICH IS THE DAY OF THE DEAD, WHERE WE HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED. AND I KNOW AT LEO CARRILLO RANCH THIS COMING WEEKEND, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CELEBRATION WITH MARIGOLDS AND BEAUTIFUL DECORATIONS.

SO I INVITE PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO LEO CARRILLO RANCH ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY THIS WEEKEND.

ALL THE INFORMATION IS ON THE WEBSITE, SO I DON'T KNOW THE HOURS YOU'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ONLINE.

I ALSO WANTED TO REPORT OUT THAT WE HAD OUR SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY BOARD MEETING LAST THURSDAY.

AND AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, IT'S AN ALL DAY MEETING STARTS AT 9 AND THE OFFICIAL BOARD MEETING BEGINS AT 2 P.M.

BUT STARTING AT 9 A.M. WE HAVE COMMITTEES. 2 BIG THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WERE OUR LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLAN, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH A 10 YEAR LOOK AT WATER RATES AND HOW WE CAN MAINTAIN THE VERY LARGE AND EXPENSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ALL THE COUNTY'S WATER, WHILE ALSO KEEPING RATES LOW AT A 1 TO 2 PENNIES PER GALLON, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH CHEAPER THAN BUYING BOTTLED WATER AT THE STORE.

AND THEN THE OTHER BIG THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS LOW INCOME RATEPAYER ASSISTANCE.

SO THERE IS RIGHT NOW A BILL AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT'S KIND OF STUCK BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL SHUTDOWN, BUT THERE IS A BILL TO HAVE MORE MONEY SENT TO CALIFORNIA, TO EVERY STATE.

BUT FOR OUR, OUR STATE ABOUT $200 MILLION TO CALIFORNIA FOR LOW INCOME RATEPAYER ASSISTANCE FOR WATER SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN CALIFORNIA HAS ACCESS TO CLEAN, SAFE, RELIABLE WATER.

AND THAT'S MY REPORT. THANKS, MS. BHAT-PATEL.

YES. THANK YOU. WE HAD OUR NORTH COUNTY TRANSIT DISTRICT MEETING LAST WEEK, AND IN THAT LINE ON SATURDAY, WE HAD THE BUS RODEO WITH EMTS. SO WHAT THAT IS, IS BASICALLY ALL OF OUR BUS OPERATORS AND MAINTENANCE FOLKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMPETE, AND THEY TAKE ON A COURSE, AND WHOEVER ENDS UP WINNING ENDS UP GOING TO NATIONALS.

IT'S A NATIONAL THING THAT THEY END UP DOING.

WE ALSO HAD THE CARLSBAD FOUNDATION STAKEHOLDER EVENT LAST WEEK, AND THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE WILL BE MEETING THIS WEEK.

I JUST WANTED TO ALSO SAY THAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION THE DIA DE LOS MUERTOS, AND IT'S ALWAYS SO BEAUTIFUL.

SO I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER AND REALLY ALLOWING EVERYONE TO IMMERSE THEMSELVES IN WHAT WHAT WHAT IT ALL MEANS.

I KNOW IT'S HALLOWEEN ON A FRIDAY, SO I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE FUN.

AND THEN THE CARLSBAD STREET FAIR IS THIS SUNDAY AS WELL, SO I'M SURE WE'LL SEE SOME FOLKS OUT THAT WAY TOO.

THANKS. CITY MANAGER. NOTHING THIS EVENING. CITY ATTORNEY.

[02:20:05]

CITY CLERK. ANNOUNCEMENTS. THURSDAY, OCTOBER 30TH AT 5:30 P.M.

CITY OF CARLSBAD'S BOARDS COMMISSIONS APPRECIATION EVENT.

THAT'S AT THE CROSSINGS AT CARLSBAD 5800 THE CROSSINGS DRIVE.

DO WE HAVE SOME SLIDES TO SHOW? I ALWAYS LIKE TO END OUR MEETINGS ON A POSITIVE NOTE.

SOMETHING THAT'S SUPER COOL THAT HAPPENED IN CARLSBAD.

I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, ONE OF THE COOL THINGS ABOUT BEING THE MAYOR IS I GET INVITED TO DO THINGS LIKE JUDGE A HALLOWEEN COSTUME CONTEST WITH DOGS.

SO THESE ARE MY FAVORITES. YOU'LL SEE THE CREATIVE ONE, THE VANS TENNIS SHOE.

IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S GOT TREAD.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE SHOE WITH GUM ON IT AND THE GUM.

LIKE ALL OF US, WHEN WE STEP IN GUM, IT STRETCHES OUT AND THE DOG IS THE GUM AND HE HAS A GUM WRAPPER ON HIM.

THE OTHER ONE IS THE QUEEN BEE. IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY ON THE TOP OF THAT CROWN IS THE DOG DRESSED UP AS A BEE AND THE OWNERS DRESSED UP AS A BEEKEEPER, AND SHE WAS SMART ENOUGH TO HAND OUT JARS OF HONEY TO ALL OF THE JUDGES.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE ONE ON THE FAR LEFT. THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, BECAUSE THIS DOG WAS THERE FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR BEFORE THE COMPETITION WEARING ALL OF THIS GARB, INCLUDING SUNGLASSES AND A TOP HAT.

AND I THINK HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COUSIN IT. SO THESE THESE WERE THE ONES WHO GOT THE GUM ON THE SHOE.

RECEIVED MOST CREATIVE. THE ONE WITH THE QUEEN BEE.

GOT MOST ELABORATE, I GUESS WAS PROBABLY BE THE ONE.

AND THEN COUSIN, IT GOT THE SCARIEST. SO THAT WAS REALLY FUN.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF OTHER GREAT COSTUMES TOO. BUT THESE WERE THE THREE WINNERS AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.