May 03, 2022 City Council Special Meeting

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AND BEFORE WE TAKE ROLL, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA TODAY IS COMING IN VIRTUAL.

[CALL TO ORDER:]

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IN ORDER FOR HER TO HEAR CLEARLY, WE NEED EVERYONE TO SPEAK, IF ALL POSSIBLE, DIRECTLY INTO THE MICS, IF WE COULD, FOR HER BENEFIT. SO WITH THAT, IF WE COULD TAKE ROLL.

COULD WE ALL PLEASE RISE AND MR. BLACKBURN WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG.

SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO IT.

CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PRIORITIES.

[1. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PRIORITIES – Review the schedule and funding status of Capital Improvement Projects planned for the next five years and provide direction to staff on changes, if desired. (Staff contact: Paz Gomez, Public Works) City Manager’s Recommendation: Review the schedule and provide direction to staff.]

GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CITY MANAGER CHADWICK.

OH, I'M SORRY. NO WORRIES.

ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS THE THIRD INSTALLMENT OF THAT MESSY IN THE MIDDLE DISCUSSION THAT PREVIOUSLY SUMMER HAD DISCUSSED.

AND REALLY, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GAIN COUNCIL'S CONTINUED FEEDBACK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

WE HAD IDENTIFIED, I BELIEVE THERE WERE ROUGHLY 12 OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THE 55, AND SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUED DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON THAT.

SO THAT SAID, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO SUMMER AS WELL AS PAZ FOR NEXT STEPS AND THE DISCUSSION.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY, ALTHOUGH A LITTLE FEEL A LITTLE WEIRD SITTING DOWN AT THIS TABLE THAN WE HAVE BEEN IN THE SETTING AT FARRADAY.

BUT I'M EXCITED TO BE BACK WITH YOU AND HOPEFULLY GET THROUGH ALL OF THE PROJECTS WE'VE STARTED CONVERSATION ON TODAY OR IN THE PREVIOUS TWO INSTALLMENTS ABOUT THE CIP PROJECTS.

SO THE WAY THIS IS GOING TO JUST SET A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF WHERE THIS FITS IN FOR ALL OF US TO GET OUR HEADS IN THIS, BUT ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME POTENTIALLY.

THIS REALLY THIS CONVERSATION WAS PROMPTED AS PART OF OUR FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL HAD IDENTIFIED WOULD BE A GOOD ACTIVITY FOR THE CITY TO ENGAGE IN, REALLY WITH THE INTENTION TO CREATE THAT ALIGNMENT AND CLARITY OF WHAT OUR FOCUS OUGHT TO BE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND DO THAT IN A VERY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.

AND SO, AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS THROUGH A SURVEY AND THROUGH OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN LEADERSHIP OR IN PUBLIC FORUMS, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THESE MEETINGS ABOUT THESE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, AS WELL AS OTHER GOAL THEMES, AND THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS IS REALLY ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN.

AND THEN OF COURSE, SIMULTANEOUSLY WE'RE DOING THE ONE YEAR ANNUAL FISCAL YEAR 22-23 BUDGETING PROCESS.

AND OUR CIP PROGRAM OR THE CARLSBAD CIP PROGRAM REALLY RUNS ON MORE OF A 15 YEAR OUTLOOK.

SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO REALLY ALIGN THOSE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS TO BE CLEAR, AGAIN, TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS THAT CREATES THAT CLARITY AND ALIGNMENT BOTH FOR COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY TO SEE AND TO HAVE A VOICE IN WHAT THE FOCUS OUGHT TO BE AND THE PRIORITIES OUGHT TO BE.

AND FOR STAFF TO HAVE THAT CLARITY OF WHERE THEY NEED TO ALIGN RESOURCES AND PRIORITIZE THE WORK.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.

WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATION, I THINK, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS THAT THERE ARE ABOUT PROJECTS, WHAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEED THEM UP OR WHAT'S SLOWING THEM DOWN, WHAT THINGS ARE REALISTICALLY GOING TO COST AS BEST GUESS AS WE CAN HAVE AT THIS POINT, AND THEN NOW WE'RE AT THE STAGE OF THIS TO ACTUALLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION ON SPECIFICALLY PROJECTS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO SPEED UP OR SLOW DOWN FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT MIGHT BE.

AND SO TO HAVE SOME DIALOG ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE, SO WE WILL IN A, IN A LITTLE BIT GO THROUGH WHERE WE ARE ON THAT PROJECT LIST AND WHAT WE, WHAT MOTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN.

SO YOU CAN HAVE A RECAP OF THAT, BUT WE'RE FIRST GOING TO DIVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND US ALL OF THE THE CODE OF ETHICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE VALUES THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.

AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING BACKDROP TO YOUR CONVERSATIONS, AND I REALLY APPLAUD THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN THIS ON AND IS REALLY ABIDING BY THESE VERY SPECIFIC WAYS IN WHICH YOU'LL BEHAVE AND ACT WITH ONE ANOTHER.

AND I'M CERTAIN WE'LL HAVE THAT AGAIN HERE TODAY.

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AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, MAYOR, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY. CITY CLERK, COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS.

THE FIRST SPEAKER IS JANE [INAUDIBLE], FOLLOWED BY LAND SALTY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR ME.

DEAR CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR HALL, I'M OPPOSED TO THE LINEAR PARK.

IT'S NOT A TRUE PARK, BUT A WALKWAY, IN MY OPINION.

WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ALSO NOT SAFE FOR KIDS TO PLAY, AND IT DOESN'T CREATE A RELAXING, PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT TO ENJOY NATURE.

INSTEAD, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO TONS OF TRAFFIC AND CAR EXHAUST.

ALSO, REALIGNING CARLSBAD BOULEVARD INTO ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION WILL RUIN IT, IN MY OPINION, CAUSING TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND WASTING AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

IT DOESN'T GET US ONE ACRE OF NEW LAND, AND IT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR GOING ON FIVE YEARS NOW.

IN THE PAST, YOU'VE ALWAYS SAID THERE ISN'T ANY LAND FOR SALE AT PONTO.

HOWEVER, ONE MAGNIFICENT LOT JUST CAME ON THE MARKET AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION LAST WEEK.

THIS LOT WOULD COST HALF OR LESS OF YOUR LINEAR PARK ESTIMATES, AND IT'S UNPARALLELED IN ITS BEAUTY AND FUNCTIONALITY AS A COMMUNITY PARK.

THIS LOT COULD POTENTIALLY PROVIDE REVENUE AS WELL.

MAYBE SOME SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS OR POSSIBLY AN AMPHITHEATER.

IT COULD BE RENTED OUT FOR EVENTS AND WOULD PROBABLY BECOME THE MOST CHERISHED PARK IN THE ENTIRE CITY.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS WILL CREATE LOW COST VISITOR SERVING RECREATION AND GATHERING SPACE FOR THE 62%, THAT'S 62% OF CARLSBAD CITIZENS AND VISITORS WHO HAVE NO COASTAL PARK.

THESE 62% OF CITIZENS LIVE IN AT LEAST THREE OF YOUR DISTRICTS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AS A LOCAL REAL ESTATE AGENT, I'VE SEEN HOW CONSTRUCTION HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

LOT SIZES HAVE SHRUNK CONSIDERABLY AND HOMES THAT ONCE CAME WITH YARDS NOW MAYBE HAVE A PATIO.

THE NEW NORMAL IS HIGH DENSITY TOWNHOMES AND CONDOS THAT MAY OFFER A BALCONY IF YOU'RE LUCKY.

RENTERS AND APARTMENTS ARE IN THE SAME BOAT, AND IT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE PARKS.

COUNCIL MEMBERS PLEASE FIND A WAY TO BUY THIS PROPERTY THAT IS, IS FOR SALE AND CREATE A REAL PONTO PARK.

THIS SHOULD NOT ONLY PROVIDE FOR THE 6.8 ACRE PARK DEFICIT WEST OF THE FIVE.

IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO COVER ANY PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, AS WELL AS PROVIDING FOR LAND THAT WILL BE LOST TO SEA LEVEL RISE OVER THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.

THAT WOULD MEAN THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, AN 11 ACRE COASTAL PARK IS NEEDED TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA, PLUS THE TENS OF THOUSANDS WHO LIVE SOUTH OF PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD AND NORTH ALL THE WAY TO THE CARLSBAD'S BORDER.

WE ALL, ALL, ALL WANT AND NEED A COASTAL PARK AT PONTO.

PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THANK YOU. LANCE SALTY, FOLLOWED BY DON CHRISTENSEN.

THANK YOU. ON APRIL 20 AND 26, WE SENT YOU SOME DATA FILES AND SAID CARLSBAD'S CITIZENS NEED YOUR HELP IN CREATING A MUCH NEEDED AND REAL PONTO PARK CARLSBAD'S PARK MASTER PLAN SAYS THAT PONTO IN COASTAL SOUTH CARLSBAD IS NOT SERVED BY CITY PARKS AND THAT THESE AREAS NOT SERVED BY CITY'S PARKS ARE WHERE THE COUNCIL SHOULD MAKE NEW PARK INVESTMENTS.

THAT'S IN THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN.

WE SHARED WONDERFUL NEWS THAT THE 14.3 ACRE PONTO LAND IS AVAILABLE FOR SALE AND COULD BE A WORLD CLASS COASTAL PARK FOR CARLSBAD.

YOU NOW HAVE THIS WILLING SELLER YOU SAID WAS HOLDING YOU BACK FROM INVESTING IN PONTO PARK MONTHS AGO.

THIS 14.3 ACRE PONTO PARK HAS WORLD CLASS OCEAN LAGOON VIEWS, PROVIDES ADEQUATE DIMENSIONS TO HOST PROFITABLE COASTAL VIEW COMMUNITY SPECIAL EVENTS AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT REVENUE AND PARK GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY.

THE LIMITS ARE ARE UNLIMITED.

YOU RECEIVED A VIDEO SHOWING THIS PONTO PARK'S GREATNESS.

AND THE BEST PART WE AND FUTURE GENERATIONS OF CARLSBAD FAMILIES CAN HAVE THIS 14.3 ACRES OF NEW WORLD CLASS CITY PARK LAND AT $20 TO $40 MILLION TAXPAYER COST SAVINGS, COMPARED TO THE PROPOSED PCH RELOCATION PROJECTS.

THE COST SAVINGS PAYS FOR BOTH NEEDED PCH WALKWAYS AND THE MONROE STREET POOL UPGRADES.

WE CAN DO THIS PARK AND PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR MONROE STREET POOL.

THE CITY'S 2001 STUDIES DOCUMENTED THAT THE PCH RELOCATION DOES NOT BUY ONE SINGLE SQUARE FOOT OF NEW CITY LAND.

IT ONLY REARRANGES THE DECK CHAIRS TO CREATE A FEW NARROW LAND FRAGMENTS ALONG THE ROADWAY.

WE CAN SAVE TAXPAYERS $20 TO $40 MILLION AND GET 14.3 MORE ACRES OF WATERFRONT PARK WITH WORLD CLASS VIEWS AND CREATE THE MUCH NEEDED

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AGAIN, 62% OF OUR CITIZENS AND THEIR FAMILIES LIVE IN SOUTH CARLSBAD AND HAVE NO PARK.

AND WE CAN ALL DO THIS AT A 50% DISCOUNT RELATIVE TO THE PCH ALTERNATIVE AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO APPLY FOR A STATE PARK GRANT FUNDING.

AT PRIOR BUDGET COUNCIL MEETINGS, CARLSBAD CITIZENS OVERWHELMINGLY ASKED FOR THIS PONTO PARK.

WE ASKED YOU TO PUT THIS WORLD CLASS PONTO PARK IN YOUR CIP AND SAVE TAXPAYERS $20 TO $40 MILLION.

WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU DO THAT.

WE YOU HAVE A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING TRULY GREAT AND TRULY WORLD CLASS FOR CARLSBAD.

PLEASE SEIZE THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY.

YOU WILL BE FOREVER REMEMBERED BASED ON YOUR DECISION.

FOREVER REMEMBERED.

DON'T BE SHORTSIGHTED.

PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR CITIZENS.

LISTEN TO THE DATA.

LISTEN TO THE LOGIC.

BE FAIR TO SOUTH CARLSBAD CITIZENS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

INVEST IN OUR SHARED CARLSBAD FUTURES.

YOU CAN BE GREAT.

BE GREAT.

THANK YOU, DON CHRISTENSEN, FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA [INAUDIBLE].

GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, STAFF AND FELLOW CITIZENS.

MY NAME IS DON CHRISTENSEN.

I LIVE AT 3715 LONG VIEW DRIVE IN CARLSBAD.

I CONTINUE TO BE A DECENTRALIZED RENEWABLE ENERGY ADVOCATE AND I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF CARLSBAD TOMORROW CITIZENS GROWTH UPDATE COMMITTEE. I'M HERE TODAY TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE MERKEL SOLAR PROJECT.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAG ON TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK IN HISTORY.

THE CENTER FOR SUSTAINABLE ENERGY BACK IN THE DAY DID A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THAT.

SO IT SHOULD BE AROUND SOMEWHERE AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER TRYING TO FIND THAT FOR BASELINE INFORMATION.

THE REPORT READS, IF NOT THE REPORT, BUT THIS SUMMARY IF FEASIBLE, THE PROJECT COULD OFFSET ONGOING ENERGY COSTS AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY'S USE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY.

AGREED. AND THAT WOULD ALSO HELP WITH THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.

IT WOULD ALSO CREATE LOCAL JOBS, LOCAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES, AND INCREASE OUR RESILIENCE TO FUTURE POWER OUTAGES.

IN TODAY'S UNION-TRIBUNE, THERE IS AN ARTICLE WHICH I FOUND VERY INTERESTING AND VERY TIMELY.

IT READS IN PART, ON MONDAY, THE CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR, THE NONPROFIT THAT MANAGES THE ELECTRIC GRID FOR ABOUT 80% OF THE STATE, CITED UNCERTAINTIES CAUSED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.

THIS MAY RESULT IN A SHORTAGE OF ABOUT 1500 TO 2000 MEGAWATTS BETWEEN NOW AND 2026.

ALSO BACK IN THE DAY, THERE WAS THIS COMMUNITY VISION GENERATED AS A RESULT OF AND THEY READ THOUSANDS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE CITY SPONSORED ENVISION CARLSBAD PROGRAM TO CREATE A COMMUNITY VISION FOR CARLSBAD'S FUTURE.

THE CORE VALUES AND VISION STATEMENTS EMERGING FROM THIS PROCESS SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR CITY LEADERS AS THEY CARRY OUT THEIR SERVICE TO ALL WHO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE CITY OF CARLSBAD.

ONE OF THOSE NINE POINTS IS SUSTAINABILITY.

THIS READS BUILD ON THE CITY SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES TO EMERGE AS A LEADER.

LEADER IN GREEN DEVELOPMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY.

PURSUE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, PARTICULARLY ON SUSTAINABLE WATER, ENERGY, RECYCLING AND FOODS. PREVIOUS TWO MEETINGS I HEARD TALK FROM COUNCIL ADVOCATING TO BE A CITY OF VISION.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO BE A CITY OF VISION BY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MERKLE SOLAR PROJECT.

THANK YOU. WHERE WAS THAT ARTICLE AT AGAIN? TODAY'S SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE.

FRONT PAGE OF THE BUSINESS SECTION, I BELIEVE.

OKAY, THANK YOU. YEP.

PATRICIA [INAUDIBLE], FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL [INAUDIBLE].

HELLO MAYOR HALL AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M [INAUDIBLE], PRESIDENT OF NORTH COUNTY ADVOCATES, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS PONTO BEACH.

ALSO, I AM A TAXPAYER.

I'M A HOMEOWNER AND A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD SINCE 1976.

AND I AM STILL WAITING FOR MORE OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE SAVED AND MORE PARKS.

SO THIS ISSUE IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE IT SAID THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF SOME SPACE THAT YOU CAN BUY.

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WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE TO VISIT, I WOULD THINK THEY LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF OPEN SPACE, TOO.

TO SAY NOTHING OF THE RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO TAKE THEIR CHILDREN TO THE PARK, MAYBE WALK.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD HAVE IT.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD WANT TO SHOWCASE OURSELVES AS BEING A VERY INTELLIGENT CITY THAT PROVIDES AND KNOWS THAT THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.

AND WHAT'S REALLY SAD IS THAT THIS AREA WAS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PARK WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED, BUT THIS NEVER HAPPENED.

THERE WAS A PROMISE IN THE GPM ABOUT THAT, THE GENERAL MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND IT WAS IGNORED WHEN AN SPECIFIED A PARK WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED.

BUT WE CAN MAKE UP FOR IT NOW.

LET'S LEAVE A LEGACY OF THIS NOW.

MAYOR HALL, I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME, SINCE YOU WERE ACTUALLY LED A GROUP OF GIRLS.

AND YOU REMEMBER IN SOCCER YOU WERE THE COACH IN THE 1980S.

AND THAT SHOWED YOUR COMMUNITY SPIRIT.

ANYBODY WHO COULD TAKE ON A BUNCH OF YOUNG GIRLS LIKE THAT, IT'S VERY COMMENDABLE.

SO I ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE WITH THAT COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND THINK OF ALL THESE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY SINCE I HEARD YOU'RE LEAVING SOON.

THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL LEGACY FOR YOU AS WELL AS THE EXISTING CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO I ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS TRIP PARK IS KIND OF AN INSULT, REALLY.

I MEAN, THAT THAT DOESN'T REALLY COUNT.

SO WE URGE YOU TO MAKE THIS A PRIORITY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

PLEASE DON'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ANY LONGER.

THANK YOU. MICHAEL [INAUDIBLE], FOLLOWED BY DIANE NYGAARD.

GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

SO I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR YEARS AND I WANT TO CLARIFY RIGHT FROM THE VERY GET GO THAT THIS HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT WHAT'S IN MY BACKYARD.

I REALLY DEEPLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT I'VE BEEN HERE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT FOR YEARS AND YEARS, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT PONTO, IS WHAT'S REALLY GOOD FOR CARLSBAD.

I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS.

THOUSANDS OF LETTERS AND THOSE LETTERS MATTER.

NOT EVERYBODY CAN GET TO THESE MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.

BUT I THINK THE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR.

AND TO ME IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT WE CELEBRATE THIS COAST.

IT IS OUR DEFINING FEATURE, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

I WANT TO HEAR THE ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT.

LOOK AT THE WAY PEOPLE CLAMOR TO THE COAST, THE FEW PRECIOUS, SHARED OPEN SPACES OR PUBLIC SPACES THAT WE HAVE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A GUY WHO HAS AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE STATE PARKS IN THE CAMPGROUND AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE GO TO THAT CAMP STORE TO LISTEN TO MUSIC, WATCH THE SUN GO DOWN, SHARE FOOD. IT'S WHAT WE CELEBRATE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IT.

THIS PROPERTY THAT [INAUDIBLE] IS ON.

ON THE CORNER OF AVENIDA 101 AND BARRICADES IS AN EXTRAORDINARY OPPORTUNITY.

IS IT FOR SALE? ABSOLUTELY. DO THEY WANT.

DO THEY HAVE A PRICE TAG ON IT? YOU BET. BECAUSE IT IS QUITE POSSIBLY THE MOST AMAZING PIECE OF PROPERTY LEFT ON THE COAST.

AND I WOULD BET THE MOST COUNCILS WOULD GIVE THEIR FRONT TEETH TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT THIS CITY HAS TO WORK WITH POTENTIALLY.

SO I'M REALLY HERE TO BEG YOU TO LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY.

THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON IN THIS WORLD.

AND THIS PROPERTY AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME HAS COME FOR SALE.

IT IS A ONCE IN A GENERATION OPPORTUNITY AND ALL THAT OTHER ACREAGE THERE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS AND ITS COMPLEXITIES.

I ALSO URGE YOU AND PLEAD WITH YOU TO REALLY, REALLY COORDINATE THAT AREA.

IT COULD BE EXTRAORDINARY.

DON'T LET IT JUST GO TO CONDOS AND RAMPANT DEVELOPMENT.

PLEASE DO WHAT YOU CAN, EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY AND DO SOMETHING EXCEPTIONAL.

IT IS GORGEOUS.

GO LOOK AT IT. I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU.

HAS A BEAUTIFUL HIGH VANTAGE POINT AND IT'S EXCEPTIONAL.

WE COULD HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER THERE.

IT COULD BE OUR POWERHOUSE PARK.

SO PLEASE ENVISION THAT.

THINK ABOUT IT. BE CREATIVE, BE BOLD, MAKE THIS A PRIORITY, AND DO THIS FOR THE CITIZENS OF CARLSBAD.

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GOOD AFTERNOON. MARIN COUNSEL DIANE NYGAARD REPRESENTING PRESERVE CALAVERA.

BACK IN 2014 AND 15, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, THERE WAS ONE ISSUE THAT GENERATED MORE COMMENTS THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

IN FACT, IT GENERATED MORE COMMENTS THAN EVERYTHING ELSE PUT TOGETHER, AND THAT WAS PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

THEY WERE CLEARLY A TOP COMMUNITY CONCERN THEN.

THEY WERE A TOP CONCERN WHEN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 1986.

AND CLEARLY, THEY REMAIN A TOP CONCERN TODAY.

BUT THE PLAN OF 40 YEARS AGO REALLY IS NOT ADEQUATE TO DATE.

IT DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THINGS LIKE A COASTAL ACCESS PARK.

AND LOOK AT HOW IMPORTANT THAT NEED IS NOW.

YOUR COMMUNITY IS TELLING YOU WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY WANT THAT COASTAL ACCESS PARK AT PONTO.

THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACHIEVE THAT IS REALLY HERE TODAY.

NOW YOU HAVE OTHER PROJECTS ON THE LIST VETERANS PARK THAT CAN BE DEFERRED AND YOU CAN STILL FULLY MEET THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR PARKS.

THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT CAN BE DEFERRED ON THAT LIST.

THIS IS THE TIME.

THIS IS THE COMMUNITY'S ASK.

IT'S BEEN A NEED FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE URGE YOU TO TAKE ACTION TODAY TO ACHIEVE THAT.

THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS, MAYOR.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OK, SO I WANTED TO I'VE BEEN DOING A LITTLE BIT OF THINKING AS WE SET UP TODAY'S CONVERSATION AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME ACTION TAKEN ON THE FINAL PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH.

AND ANY OTHER ACTIONS YOU HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED YET.

AND I WHENEVER WE'RE IN THESE CONVERSATIONS AND AS CITY MANAGER, CHADWICK HAD SAID, IT'S THIS MESSY IN THE MIDDLE SPACE, RIGHT, THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE MIDST OF.

I TRIED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S AN ANALOGY OR SOMETHING THAT WILL SIMPLIFY WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO HERE TODAY.

AND SO THIS IS THE ONE I CAME UP WITH.

I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE BUILDING A HOUSE, BUT I'M GOING TO USE IT AS AN ANALOGY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE ALL CAN KIND OF GET CLARITY AROUND.

SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE IN YOUR CONTROL AND A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT AREN'T IN YOUR CONTROL.

AND THE VISION, THE EXCITEMENT OF BUILDING A HOUSE OR COMING UP WITH THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, THE THING THAT YOU WANT TO CREATE IS EXCITING AND THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY AND WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT.

BUT THERE'S ALSO A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN THESE CONSTRAINTS.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF RULES, RIGHT? THERE'S PERMITTING RULES.

THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN DO AND CAN'T DO.

THERE'S CRITERIA ABOUT THE LAND AND HOW THE LAND CAN BE USED AND WHATNOT.

BUT THERE'S ALSO ELEMENTS AROUND PACING, RIGHT? HOW QUICKLY WE CAN PUT THIS THING UP, DEPENDING ON WEATHER DEPENDING ON ALL KINDS OF STUFF, ACCESS TO RESOURCES.

CERTAINLY RIGHT NOW THAT'S A BIG CHALLENGE WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THIS THING ABOUT EXPERTISE AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU ALL AS A CITY IS IDENTIFYING DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT EXPERTISE FOR THE RIGHT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO? SO I PUT THIS IMAGE UP HERE AS SOMEONE WHO'S DOING THE FRAMING, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, AT LEAST FOR ME, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T IF IT'S TIME TO DO THE FRAMING, BUT YOU HAVE EXTRA PLUMBERS, IT DOESN'T HELP YOU.

RIGHT. BUT IF YOU HAVE, IT'S TIME TO DO FRAMING.

AND THAT COULD SPEED UP A PROJECT.

IF YOU CAN GET A COUPLE OTHER FRAMERS, A COUPLE OTHER ROOFERS RIGHT.

THAT SAME SKILL SET THINGS CAN MOVE MORE QUICKLY.

AND IN MY MIND, THIS ANALOGY REALLY FITS BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PACING RELATED TO THESE CIP PROJECTS IS DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT RESOURCES WE NEED IN THE RIGHT AREAS OF EXPERTISE TO ACCELERATE PACING OF PROJECTS? AND SO THAT I THINK, IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AHEAD OF YOU ALL AS WE IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE ACTIONS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE AND WHAT WILL CITY STAFF BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH ON HOW WE PACE IT APPROPRIATELY? SO IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT EXPERTISE AND WE CAN ENHANCE THAT RIGHT INSTEAD OF ONE HARD HAT, WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE HARD HATS TO DO THE RIGHT TALENT OF AN EXPERTISE WORK THAT WE NEED.

WE CAN ADVANCE THE PACE ON THINGS.

SO I WANT TO IDENTIFY THAT BECAUSE PART OF AS I WAS GOING BACK TO REVIEW ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CIP, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE PLANNED TO BE DONE RIGHT.

ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE A TIMELINE.

THEY HAVE ESTIMATED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

WHAT WE CAN FLEX WITH IS WHERE YOU WANT THOSE TO BE DONE IN THE PACING, RIGHT.

AND IF WE ACCELERATE CERTAIN THINGS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE EITHER NEED TO DECELERATE OR THAT WE NEED TO ADD THE SPECIFIC EXPERTISE TO KNOCK THOSE THINGS OUT.

RIGHT, TO GET THOSE THINGS TO ACTUALLY OCCUR.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE IN THIS BROADER CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY AND AS COUNCIL TAKES ACTION ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND ITEMS, WHAT CITY STAFF WILL

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THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE GOT THROUGH.

AND IN A MINUTE I'LL REVIEW THE MOTIONS THAT YOU ALL MADE RELATED TO SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.

THE INITIALS BEHIND THEM ARE WHO, BASED ON THE RECORD, WHO HAD BROUGHT THOSE UP AS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT? AND THEN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED PROJECTS FOR DISCUSSION IN THE MAIN SECTION, THOSE ARE PROJECTS WE DIDN'T QUITE GET TO IN THE LAST MEETING LAST WEEK.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE ORDER THAT WE PLAN TO TAKE THOSE IN TODAY.

AND SO AS WE GET TO THEM, JUST LIKE WE DID LAST WEEK, WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM, I'LL INVITE FIRST THE PEOPLE THAT HAD PUT THAT ITEM UP ON THE ON THE LIST TO GO AHEAD AND SHARE WITH US THEIR THINKING ON THAT OR ANY ACTION THAT THEY'D LIKE TO TAKE.

JUST AS A QUICK RECAP.

ACTUALLY, BEFORE I GO TO THAT, THERE IS AN ASTERISKS, YOU'LL NOTICE UNDER THE LOWERING THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN THE VILLAGE, WHICH RELATES TO ONE OF THE MOTIONS THAT I'M GOING TO JUST HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU THAT YOU ALL MADE LAST WEEK.

THESE ARE THE MOTIONS.

SO THE FIRST ONE, THE MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER NORBY, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN, WAS TO ACCELERATE THE TYLER STREET TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, STUDY THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO TRAFFIC CIRCLES, AND ALL OF THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO LIGHTING PROJECTS.

THAT WAS THE FIRST MOTION THAT WAS TAKEN THAT PASSED.

THE SECOND ONE WAS AROUND WAS A MOTION BY PETER NORBY, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN DIRECTING STAFF TO WORK WITH OTHER REGIONAL AGENCIES TO PRIORITIZE THE TRENCHING PROJECT STUDIES.

REMOVING THIS PROJECT FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LIST RE IDENTIFYING COSTS FOR STUDIES AND WORK WITH SANDAG AND LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVES TO SEEK FUNDING THAT ALSO PASSED. AND THAT JUST IS A HIGHLIGHT.

THE REASON THAT THAT PROJECT IS ABSTRACT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IS JUST TO NOTE THAT THAT WAS AN ACTION TAKEN THAT THAT WOULD COME OFF POTENTIALLY THE CIP LIST.

THE THIRD MOTION WAS WAS A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BHAT-PATEL DIRECTING STAFF TO PRIORITIZE MAINTENANCE REPAIRS WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET ON THE MONROE STREET POOL THROUGH 2026, WHEN THE MORE OFFICIAL CAPITAL PLAN OR CAPITAL PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLETED.

AND THEN FINALLY, A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION HERE TODAY.

SO THOSE ARE THE MOTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE CURRENTLY THAT WE, THE CITY STAFF, WOULD PLAN TO TAKE ACTION ON AND BRING BACK TO YOU THINKING ON HOW THIS WILL HAPPEN IN THE MAY AND JUNE NEXT PRESENTATIONS.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON ANY OF THESE BEFORE WE GO BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER NORBY.

[INAUDIBLE] BEFORE WE DO THAT, I NEED TO ASK COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA, IS THERE ANYBODY AT YOUR LOCATION WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? NO THERE'S NOBODY HERE BUT ME.

THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU.

THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO MR. NORBY. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO.

ONE WOULD BE THE RAIL AND THE OTHER WOULD BE THE MONROE POOL.

AND I'LL START WITH THE RAIL AND SO ON OUR CIP LIST, WE HAVE A PROJECT FOR 400 TO 600 MILLION, I BELIEVE IT IS, OR 560 TO 400 TO 560 FOR LOWERING THE TRACKS AND TO DO A TRANCHE.

AND JUST TO KIND OF IT'S NOT OUR PROJECT, IT'S FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND ULTIMATELY, I'M SURE SANDAG AS WELL.

THE TIMING IS UNKNOWN, SO IT REALLY DOESN'T BELONG ON OUR CIP LIST, WHICH IS WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO TAKE IT OFF.

WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WAYS TO SPEED IT UP IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE AFFECT MUCH TO YOUR ANALOGY, RIGHT? SO MAYBE WE'RE WE'RE WHERE AM I GOING TO GO WITH THIS? MAYBE WE'RE DOING THE LANDSCAPING BEFORE WE'RE DOING THE FRAMING.

AND SO THE STAGE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS TECHNICAL STUDIES.

AND SO AGENCIES HAVE AGREED THAT THE TRENCH IS THE PROJECT.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A 30% ENVIRONMENTAL I'M SORRY, 30% ENGINEERING AND ENVIRONMENTAL, FOLLOWED BY 60%, FOLLOWED BY SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION, FOLLOWED BY A BID DOCUMENT WHICH WILL TAKE MANY, MANY YEARS.

SO I THINK THAT THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO IS TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CIP LIST AND PUT IT ON COUNCIL GOALS IN TERMS OF OUR FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE PIECE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS ARE THESE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS AND STUDIES THAT ARE REQUIRED BEFORE A PROJECT CAN BE PUT OUT FOR BID.

AND SO THE GOAL IS TO ACCELERATE THOSE PROJECTS AND TO I'M SORRY, THOSE TECHNICAL STUDIES TO ADVOCATE AND TO ACCELERATE THOSE TECHNICAL

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BUT I BELIEVE IT SHOULDN'T EXIST OR LIVE ON THE CIP.

IT SHOULD.. AND COUNCIL MEMBER NORBY, IF WE COULD JUST PAUSE THAT BECAUSE ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS A BONA FIDE CONFLICT DUE TO A OWNING OF PROPERTY. WE'RE ASKING THAT HE LEAVE AND THEN WE'LL RESUME THAT.

I APOLOGIZE. CONTINUE.

I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT THE GOAL IS NOT LEAVING.

I MEAN, WE STILL VERY MUCH WANT TO DO A TRENCH PROJECT, BUT IT SHOULD LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

AND I THINK THAT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT.

AND I'M SURE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE'LL BE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AND THERE'LL BE A NEW STRATEGIC PLAN AND WHEREVER WE ARE WITH THAT.

AND AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT I LOOK AT IT AS A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE TO CARLSBAD, DOUBLE TRACKING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IT'S COMING.

CARLSBAD CAN'T SAY NO.

IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW DOES IT HAPPEN HERE AND HOW CAN WE MAKE IT THE BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT WOULD HELP OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD CREATE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT, CREATE BETTER CONNECTIVITY VERSUS DEGRADE OUR ENVIRONMENT.

SO THAT WOULD BE THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST DIRECTION OR IF MY MOTION CONTAINED THAT OR IF YOU NEED ME TO CLARIFY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

I THINK DO WE NEED TO HAVE A NEW MOTION TAKEN TO AMEND IT OR I THINK IF YOU REVIEW THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, COUNCILMEMBER, YOU'LL FIND THAT WE ALREADY REMOVED IT FROM THE CIP PROJECT LIST.

YEAH. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND IT'LL REMAIN A COUNCIL GOAL.

SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. THE SECOND ONE IS THE MONROE STREET POOL.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE AGAIN THAT WHAT COUNCIL DID WAS TO PRIORITIZE THE MAINTENANCE REPAIRS WITHIN THIS CURRENT BUDGET.

CAN I PAUSE FOR JUST A SECOND? SHOULD WE BRING THE MAYOR BACK IN? OH, I'M SO SORRY I TALK SO QUICK, I SHOULD.

LOOK.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT, HOWEVER, ON THE TRANCHE BEFORE WE LEAVE IT? NOT.

I DO HAVE. I'M SORRY.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE MATT HIS EXERCISE.

QUICK QUESTION. IS IT REASONABLE? WHAT PETER JUST TALKED ABOUT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

IS IT REASONABLE TO TAKE IT OFF THIS PRIORITY LIST AND PUT IT ON GOAL LIST? AND WILL IT STILL GET THE SAME THING ACCOMPLISHED? YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, ZACK KORACH, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE BUDGET PROCESS.

JUST IN THE RIGHT BUDGETING IF IT'S OPERATING VERSUS CAPITAL.

CORRECT. MY QUESTION IS PROCEDURAL.

WE'RE TAKING IT OFF THIS THIS LIST.

AND MR. NORBY THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO BE PUT ON A FUTURE GOALS LIST, BUT STILL CONTINUING GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE ALL THE LAYING THE THE FOUNDATION.

DO I UNDERSTAND THAT? SO I'M LOOKING FOR STAFF OPINION.

IS THAT THE PROPER WAY TO GO? IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, BUT I WANT STAFF'S OPINION.

YES. SO THE THE SHORT ANSWER IS BASED OFF THE MOTION, THE DIRECTION THAT WAS TAKEN LAST WEEK, WHICH WAS WORK WITH OTHER REGIONAL AGENCIES TO PRIORITIZE THE TRENCHING PROJECT. STUDIES REMOVE THIS PROJECT FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LIST RE, IDENTIFY COSTS FOR STUDIES AND WORK WITH SANDAG AND THE LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVES TO SEEK FUNDING. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE.

STAFF DO UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION THAT WAS TAKEN.

IT WAS A 401 VOTE AND SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO FUTURE CONVERSATIONS.

WE UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S POSITION ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND AGAIN, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE SUBCOMMITTEE TO CONTINUE TO FURTHER THAT.

THANK YOU. YES, AND THANK YOU, MR. NORBY. I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT MONROE POOL.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD INVITE THE MAYOR BACK OR IF HE'S CONFLICTED ON THAT OR.

WELCOME BACK. GO AHEAD, PETER.

SO ON THE MONROE POOL, WE VOTED FIVE ZERO TO PRIORITIZE MAINTENANCE REPAIRS WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET ON THE POOL AND COUNCIL.

PRIOR HAD TAKEN AN ACTION TO PUT IT ON A FUTURE BALLOT.

I THINK IT WAS JUNE BALLOT WITH A PRICE TAG AND THEN VOTED NOT TO DO THAT TO KIND OF PULL IT BACK.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND OTHER PROCESS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S STILL A PRIORITY TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT WITH I THINK IT WAS OPTION THREE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DOLLARS THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT.

AND TO MAKE SURE IT MAKES THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

AND COUNCILMEMBER, CONSISTENT WITH MY RESPONSE AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING WHERE WE INDICATED THAT WE WOULD BE COMING BACK IN JUNE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, WHERE A CITY COUNCIL WOULD

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WE WILL BE GOING WITH OPTION THREE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE TIME.

THE DEADLINE TO PLAY SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT I BELIEVE IS MID AUGUST.

SO WE WILL HAVE AN ABILITY TO SUCCESSFULLY MEET THAT.

THANK YOU. YES, THAT DISCUSSION AT ANOTHER TIME.

YES. AND I ALSO SEE COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA HAS HER HAND RAISE SIR.

YES LET'S GO DO COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS ANY FURTHER.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE DURING THE LAST SESSION I HAD SOME POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AND THE MAYOR HAD SOME CONFLICTS.

SO WE TOOK THOSE ITEMS FIRST.

AND PLEASE CLARIFY IF I MISUNDERSTOOD DR.

CURLEY, BUT FROM THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THESE ITEMS FIRST, NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY WERE ABOVE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

I KNOW SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS WERE WONDERING, OH, ARE YOU PUTTING THESE AT THE TOP? AND I SAID NO NO, WE'RE JUST WE JUST STARTED WITH THOSE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHILE WE RECUSED MYSELF FOR LA COSTA AVENUE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE MAYOR FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN HIS AREA.

SO IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE REMIND US OF WHY WE STARTED WITH THOSE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO MY RESIDENTS THAT THAT'S WHY WE STARTED WITH THOSE.

IF YOU WOULD. YEAH, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA FOR RAISING THAT.

SO WE CAN CLARIFY THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AT THE LAST MEETING AS BEING ITEMS THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ACTION ON POTENTIALLY OR TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WE THEN TOOK A SHORT RECESS IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY AND WE'D ASK COUNCIL TO IDENTIFY IF THEY HAD ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

AND WE TOOK A SHORT RECESS TO LIST THOSE.

AGAIN, NOT IN A PRIORITY ORDER, BUT FOR THE EFFICIENCY SAKE OF INVITING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF MAYOR TO LEAVE AS APPROPRIATE FOR THE ONES THAT THEY HAD CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ON. SO WE ADDRESSED ALL OF THOSE AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

THE ONLY REASON THIS IS COMING UP AT THIS POINT IS BECAUSE COUNCILMEMBER NORBY ASKED TO CLARIFY ONE OF THE MOTIONS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD MAYOR HALL.

SO AT THIS POINT FORWARD, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WANT TO BE MOTIONS WANT TO BE AMENDED, OR THERE ENDS UP BEING FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO ASK IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT FOR THE REMAINING PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

THANK YOU.

OK, MAYOR HALL, YOU HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

YES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT A LOT HERE AND IT'S COME UP BY SEVERAL SPEAKERS IS THE WEALTH OF THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND NOT ONLY IN TODAY'S ECONOMY.

AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY.

FOUR YEARS AGO, WE STARTED CHANGING THE DIRECTION OF THIS CITY.

IT IS AND I'VE BEEN CORRECTED.

BUT HOW MANY NEW EMPLOYEES HAVE WE HAD SINCE THEN? SINCE 2017, WE'VE HAD 89.75 POSITIONS.

SO THAT'S, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS ROUGHLY, I WOULD GUESS ABOUT $10 MILLION NOT ONLY IN WAGES BUT EVERYTHING ELECTRONICS, CARS, VEHICLES IT TAKES TO SUPPORT THOSE.

SO WHEN YOU THINK IN THE PAST WHERE WE USED TO SET ASIDE TENS AND $10 MILLION A YEAR OR SO, WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT.

AND WHAT REALLY BROUGHT US TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE IS HOW THE LINES CROSS.

AND YOU COUPLE THAT WITH THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE ECONOMY AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS WE'D LIKE, WE WANT.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE BE VERY CONSERVATIVE AS WE WALK FORWARD.

IT'S MUCH BETTER TO BE ABLE TO HIRE A PERSON SOMETIME INTO THE FUTURE THAN TO HAVE TO LET SOMEBODY GO THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO.

AND I WOULD TAKE US BACK TO 07, 2007, WHEN WE HAD THE SAME SIMILAR CONVERSATION AS WE'RE HAVING CURRENTLY.

AND AT THAT TIME THERE WERE SOME WORDS SAID, SOME COMMENTS MADE PARTIALLY ABOUT ME AND SOME OF MY THOUGHTS.

BUT NINE MONTHS LATER, MOST OF THAT BECAME TRUE.

AND I WOULD GIVE LISA HILDEBRAND, FORMER CITY MANAGER LISA HILDEBRAND CREDIT BECAUSE SHE DID WHAT NO ONE ELSE WANTED TO DO.

AND THAT WAS TO SLOW THINGS DOWN ALMOST TO A STOP AND JUST MAINTAIN WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE HAVE.

AND SO AS I AS WE GO FORWARD TODAY, WE HAVE A LOT OF WISHES, A LOT OF THINGS WE'D LIKE TO DO.

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SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID WAS THE UNCERTAINTY, WHAT OUR COST WILL BE AS WE GO INTO CONSTRUCTION.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY TODAY COULD PROJECT TOMORROW'S CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

IT'S JUST A COMPLETE UNKNOWN.

SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN PAST YEARS, WHEN WE GET TO A SITUATION LIKE THIS AND THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME, IT'S PROBABLY THE THIRD TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER, IS WE WORK HARDER THAN EVER ON PLANNING OUR FUTURE.

SO WHEN WE HAVE CERTAINTY, WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHTS RIGHT OFF THE TOP.

BUT I'M THINKING OF AND I'M.

YOU'VE ONLY DONE WHAT WE'VE ASKED.

BUT AGAIN, WE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT TODAY, AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHO WE WERE FOUR YEARS AGO.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR ANY FOLLOW UPS ON WHAT'S ON THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. I THINK I SHARED MY COMMENTS.

I'M READY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

I DO THINK THAT SO MANY OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY AUTHORIZED AND IN PROCESS, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY NEED TO GET DONE.

MOST OF THEM ARE ON OUR NEEDS LIST VERSUS OUR DREAMY WISH LIST.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PUSHING FORWARD WITH THE ONES THAT NEED TO GET DONE FIRST.

AND I THINK STAFF WE RELY ON STAFF A LOT FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT HAS TO GET DONE FIRST BASED ON FUNDING, BASED ON THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.

SO WE WE'VE SET OUT THE VISION.

WE SAID WHAT WE WE NEED TO GET DONE.

AND AND WE DO HAVE THIS KIND OF SYMBIOTIC CONVERSATION AND RELATIONSHIP WITH WITH STAFF AND OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE PUSH THINGS FORWARD. SO WE LOOK A LOT TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND TO OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON TRACK.

AND I WOULD I WOULD LOVE IT IF THEY WOULD RED FLAG ANYTHING ON HERE THAT WE SIMPLY CAN'T GET DONE RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE MOST OF THESE WE'RE JUST MOVING FORWARD AND PUTTING TO THE TOP THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW HAVE TO GET DONE RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND ONE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO GET DONE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY DO ALL SEEM IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.

OK, WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? MR. NORBY, YOU STARTED.

LET'S GO TO DR. BHAT-PATEL.

SURE. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR REHASHING WHAT WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SO FAR AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.

AND I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT THE LAST FEW TIMES, WE'VE MENTIONED THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR STAFF IS COMING TO US PROACTIVELY ABOUT.

AGENCIES ALWAYS LOOK AT WHERE THE LINES CROSS AND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO FUNCTION AT THE UTMOST SERVICE THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING TO THE CITY.

AND SO LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO DO THAT.

IN TERMS OF THE CIP PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM BLACKBURN MIGHT HAVE MADE THIS COMMENT LAST TIME WHERE THESE AND CLARIFIED THAT THESE ARE ON THE LIST, 55 OF THEM THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA SAID IN LINE TO BEING DONE.

SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, ESPECIALLY AFTER WE'VE MADE SOME OF THE MOTIONS TO MAYBE PRIORITIZE A COUPLE OF THEM.

I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE LIST AS IS.

I DON'T THINK I NEED PERSONALLY NEED TO GO THROUGH AND REHASH ANY OF THEM AFTER KNOWING THAT THESE WILL BE THINGS FOR SURE THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD AND THEY HAVE THEIR TIMELINE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ASPECT ON HERE.

OTHER THAN THAT, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY.

MR. BLACKMON, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE MOTIONS WE MADE LAST WEEK, I WANT TO JUST FOLLOW THE TIMELINE THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF.

OK, COMMISSIONER NORBY, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. YES, MY COMMENTS WERE ON THE PREVIOUS MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE.

SO WITH RESPECT TO THIS, I WANT TO KIND OF JUST TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE MERKLE SOLAR PROJECT, I GUESS, AND IT HAS A PRICE TAG, AND THE PRICE TAG IS PRETTY HEFTY.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME REAL EARLY ANALYSIS DONE ON THAT, BUT THERE'S BEEN A FEW THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED.

ONE IS THE AGGREGATION OF METERS IS NOW ALLOWED IN CERTAIN INSTANCES BY SDG&E.

AND NUMBER TWO IS, IS IT WHOLESALE RETAIL IN TERMS OF THE ENERGY THAT'S GENERATED? WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY CAN'T SUPPORT SAYING LET'S KEEP 60 MILLION ON AS A SIP LIST.

BUT THE STEP THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IS THIS NOW COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT.

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AND IF THAT'S THE INTENT, THEN I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. PAZ GOMEZ, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

WITH REGARDS TO THE FUNDING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THIS PROJECT, IT WAS INITIALLY A 250,000 FROM AN INVESTIGATION FEASIBILITY PERSPECTIVE.

THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY.

AND SO THIS IS A MEANS OF MOVING IT FORWARD.

AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE NOW HAVE COMMUNITY CHOICE, AGGREGATION OR ENERGY.

WE'VE ALSO TECHNOLOGY HAS COME A LONG WAYS AND SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT.

THAT ESTIMATE OF THE 40 TO $60 MILLION, WHICH IS BASED ON THE PRIOR FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THEN ACCELERATING IT FORWARD, WHICH IS WAS DONE A LONG TIME AGO, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2009.

SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT AND ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE CAN USE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW PART OF THE CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WORTHY OF PUSHING UP THE TIMELINE.

AND THEN THE LAST IS THE CARLSBAD ROAD ALIGNMENT THAT'S ON OUR LIST THERE.

AND I'VE HEARD SPEAKERS AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND AT THIS MEETING TODAY TALK ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK AND IF I GET IT WRONG, PLEASE, PLEASE FORGIVE ME, BUT WE CAN DO THIS PARK WITH THIS PROPERTY THAT'S FOR SALE FOR HALF THE PRICE OF WHAT WE CAN DO THAT FOR.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS THE ROAD ALIGNMENT PROJECT, IF I GUESS IF WE WERE TO USE THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT WE WOULD SPEND THE MONEY TO BUY THAT LAND, DOES THE ROAD ALIGNMENT PROJECT NO LONGER BECOME NECESSARY? SO TO DISCUSS THE ROAD ALIGNMENT, THERE IS A PORTION THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY STUDYING THAT IS PART OF THE SEA LEVEL RISE CLIMATE ADAPTATION STUDY AND THAT'S THE PORTION FROM MANZANO TO ISLAND WAY.

AND STAFF WILL BE RETURNING TO CITY COUNCIL IN EARLY 2023 TO PROVIDE UP TO A 30% DESIGN AND ALSO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE WAY FORWARD. AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF CITY COUNCIL SO DIRECTS, WOULD BE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER GRANTING GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THERE WOULD BE.

AND THEN THERE IS THE CONTINUATION FROM ISLAND WAY SOUTH TO THE BORDER.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL CALL UP MR. TOM FRANK, OUR TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND AND CITY ENGINEER, TO COVER MORE OF THE PROJECT WITH REGARDS TO THE REALIGNMENT.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL AND PUBLIC.

MY NAME IS TOM FRANK AND I'M THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND CITY ENGINEER.

AND SO AS YOU'VE READ IN PRIOR MEMOS AND STAFF REPORTS AND AS MS. GOMA HAS EXPLAINED, WE DO HAVE A CURRENT CIP PROJECT.

FOR THIS PROJECT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

OUR AMAZING COMMUNICATIONS TEAM DID A TERRIFIC JOB OF SOLICITING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT, AND THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED AND, I BELIEVE, DISTRIBUTED TO THE PUBLIC AND YOURSELF.

AND SO AS YOU'VE SEEN AND AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, THERE'S A GREAT INTEREST IN FURTHERING THE OPPORTUNITY ALONG THAT ROAD SEGMENT.

AND WE'VE HEARD COMMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPROVED ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION USES ALONG THERE.

WE'VE ALSO HEARD THAT LESS IS MORE.

THEY LOVE THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THAT AMAZING COASTLINE.

SO REALLY THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE AS MS. GOMEZ, MENTIONED, WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SEGMENT BETWEEN MANZANO AND ISLAND WAY.

AND WE WOULD THEN FIGURE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE FOR THIS SEPARATE PROJECT TO THEN FURTHER THE STUDY AND HAVE THE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC VETTING AND OUTREACH PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER CONCEPTS WE START DEVELOPING ACTUALLY MEET ALL OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA AND ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE.

SO WE'RE REALLY IN THE EARLY STAGES IN REGARDS TO THE COST ESTIMATE, THAT'S JUST A SWAG.

AS THE MAYOR HAD SAID, IT'S VERY HARD TO ESTIMATE WHAT PROJECTS COSTS ARE TODAY.

AND IF THE PUBLIC WANTS A PROJECT WHICH IS LESS AND MORE AND FOCUS MORE ON ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION USES AND SOME OF THE KEY OTHER ITEMS WE HEARD IS

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BUT IF WE WERE ASKED TO BRING FORWARD A PROJECT WHICH HAD A MORE REASONABLE COST, WE WOULD FOCUS ON THAT AND WE'D FOCUS ON LESS.

I GUESS TO CLARIFY MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION WOULD BE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE MAJOR IMPETUS FOR MOVING THE ROAD TO THE EAST IS CLIMATE ADAPTATION AND PRESERVATION OF OUR ROADWAY.

AND I CAN JUST REMEMBER THE SEAWALL WAS VERY MUCH THAT PROJECT BETWEEN TAMARACK AND PINE AVENUE.

WE WENT DOWN TO ONE LANE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE I BELIEVE IT'S ENCINA CREEK AREA, BUT IT MIGHT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND JUST TODAY, A BLUFF OR YESTERDAY, A BLUFF FAILURE.

AND THE CITY TO THE SOUTH OF US THAT'S CLOSING A PARK AND AN ACCESS POINT.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THE IMPETUS FOR THE PROJECT'S CLIMATE ADAPTATION AND MOVING THE ROAD TO THE EAST, OR IS THE IMPETUS TO CREATE A PARK OR TO CREATE BETTER CIRCULATION ELEMENT? SO THE FIRST SEGMENT FROM MANZANO TO OR FROM MANZANO TO ISLAND WAY THAT IS THE IMPETUS TO MOVE IT TO THE EAST TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE ADAPTATION STUDY ISSUES, THE EROSION ISSUES, THE LATTER PROJECT.

WE HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE STATE PARKS SEPARATING THE ROAD ALIGNMENT FROM THE COASTLINE.

SO THAT'S ON A DIFFERENT TIMETABLE.

YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

YEAH, THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] THE PROCESS.

SO ARE WE GOING TO, IS THE IDEA THEN THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY MORE MOTIONS TO PRIORITIZE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS? BECAUSE I WASN'T ENTIRELY CLEAR IF WE WERE OKAY WITH JUST HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND HAVING MADE THE MOTIONS AND VOTED ON THE ONES IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE IF WE'RE EVEN ENTERTAINING MOTIONS FOR TODAY'S FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECTS ON THE LIST TODAY.

I WOULD SAY IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING, THEN THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SO YOU HEARD SOME COMMENTS FROM MR. BLACKBURN, AND IF YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, GO AHEAD.

YEAH WELL, I AM.

AND MY COMMENTS EARLIER WERE, I THINK WERE ALONG THE SAME LINES IN THAT THE PROJECTS ON HERE ARE ALL PROJECTS I FEEL WE NEED TO PURSUE AND CONTINUE WITH. AND STAFF ALREADY HAS SCHEDULES AND TIMELINES AND I HEARD MY COLLEAGUE SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR.

THERE IS ONE PROJECT THAT'S NOT ON THIS LIST AND I REMEMBER I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME MY CURIOSITY ABOUT WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO ADD PROJECTS DURING THIS PROCESS.

AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT SO MANY RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, WE WOULD BE REMISS IN ADDRESSING AN IMPORTANT COMMUNITY ISSUE.

AND THAT'S THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY.

SO WE DO HAVE RECENT NEWS THAT THERE IS A PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SALE IN THIS IS IN THE AREA IN THE PONTO AREA.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MINUTE MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE WITH INFORMATION ON WHAT STEPS WOULD BE NECESSARY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE OF THAT PROPERTY, ALONG WITH ANY POTENTIAL CHALLENGES THAT MAY EXIST.

GIVEN THE TIME SENSITIVE NATURE OF THIS, I WOULD ASK THAT STAFF RETURN NO LATER THAN MID-JUNE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR INFORMATION TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.

THAT'S MY MOTION. ANY SECONDS.

SECOND FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION.

OKAY. DISCUSSION.

YES, THANK YOU.

SO JUST TO ASK COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

SO FROM WHAT YOU HAVE JUST STATED, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE CURRENT PROPERTY THAT'S UP FOR SALE AND WHAT OUR LATITUDE AS A CITY WOULD BE IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEN JUST THIS WOULD BE MORE FOR OUR OUR TEAM IN TERMS OF TIMELINE.

I KNOW THE TIME CERTAIN WAS INDICATED FOR JUNE.

I KNOW WE HAVE BUDGETING AND A FEW OTHER ITEMS PRIOR TO THAT.

DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MEET THAT? WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RESHUFFLED IN ORDER TO DO THAT? AND GIVEN THE NATURE THAT IT'S AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION AND THAT GIVES US A LITTLE TIME.

I DO THINK THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

AGAIN, WE'LL END UP USING EXISTING MANAGEMENT STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS.

THERE WILL BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH TRYING TO DO THIS OR TRYING TO BRING THIS FORWARD.

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SO I'LL KEEP MY SECOND AND SEE IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY.

MR. BLACKBURN AT A TIME WHEN WE KEEP SAYING WE'RE SPREADING OUR STAFF THIN.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT AS JUST FINDING OUT WHAT THE VALUE OF THE OR WHAT THE LISTING PRICE IS? THE PROPERTY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT AND GETTING APPRAISALS.

SO ARE YOU JUST GOING TO COME BACK TO US AND TELL US WHAT THE THE THE LISTING PRICES OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW MUCH APPROXIMATELY IT WOULD COST TO PUT A PARK ON IT.

WHAT ARE YOU PROJECT YOU'RE GOING TO DO? SO, AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS, WHICH WAS AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION ON POTENTIAL CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT OR WITH THE PROPERTY.

AND, AND WE WOULD DO AS MUCH OF A WRITE UP AS WE CAN ON THIS.

WE ARE NOT AUTHORIZED AT THIS POINT TO TRY AND PURCHASE OR TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION.

THIS WOULD JUST BE AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION BY STAFF RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY.

THAT SAID, I HAVE HEARD THAT THE VALUE AND.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

EXCUSE ME. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THIS ITEM IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA.

IT IS NOT ON OUR PROJECT LIST.

AND WHILE YOU'RE WELCOME TO PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION DISPOSING OF THE ITEM NOW.

SO THE MOST YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS PLACE IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT AT A FUTURE MEETING.

MY MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WILL THAT INFORMATIONAL ITEM COVER? THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS I DON'T WANT TO SPEND $10,000 IN STAFF TIME TO FIND OUT WHAT THE LISTING PRICE IS WHEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS CALL THE REALTOR AND FIND OUT WHAT THE LISTING PRICE IS.

OR ARE YOU GOING TO GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE RESEARCH OF AN APPRAISAL AND HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO PUT A PARK IN AND HOW MUCH THAT PARK IS GOING TO COST OVER THE YEARS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE WOULD THE ACTION THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL'S MOTION.

SO IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS MAKING A MOTION FOR A FULL WRITE UP TO DO AN ANALYSIS AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME.

SO FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE OF BEING ABLE TO MEET THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE A BARE BONES BASICS.

WHAT'S THE PROPERTY, WHAT WE BELIEVE THE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND THEN ARE THERE ANY CHALLENGES SUCH AS IS THERE AN ABILITY FOR US TO DO SO UNDER PROP C OR IS THERE AN ABILITY FOR US? OR IS PROP H TRIGGERED BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND? SO THAT IS THE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD GO INTO.

AND I SEE YOUR HEAD NODDING.

YES, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITHOUT PUTTING ANOTHER PROJECT ASIDE.

THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU.

MR. NORBY. YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? I JUST I THINK I'LL LOOK BACK IN KIND OF MY HISTORY IN TERMS OF CARLSBAD.

AND EVERY TIME A PROPERTY COMES AVAILABLE AND THERE ARE MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT THAT PROPERTY PURCHASE FOR WHATEVER THE REASON IT IS.

AND WE'VE KIND OF ALWAYS IT'S NOT THE WAY I THINK THAT THAT WE HAVE CONDUCTED BUSINESSES TO DO THAT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT GROWTH MANAGEMENT STANDARDS AND HOW WE HOW WE HOW WE MEET OUR GROWTH MANAGEMENT OBLIGATIONS.

AND IF WE'RE DEFICIENT IN AN AREA, WE TAKE A LOOK AT DOING THAT.

AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST IT'S TOO OFTEN IT BASICALLY WILL LEAD TO MORE AND MORE OF THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY WHEN WE WANT SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, I CAN I REMEMBER I'M GOING WAY BACK 40 YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE IT WAS MEASURE F AND WE HAD A GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT WANTED TO COME IN TO BUY HOUSE GROVE, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO AN EXTENSION OF THE MALL.

I GUESS MORE RETAIL AND COUNCIL SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THAT GROUP WENT OUT AND USE THE INITIATIVE PROCESS TO PUT AN INITIATIVE GROUP ON AND THE INITIATIVE CARRIED.

SO THAT'S ALSO A WAY TO GO.

BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF OUR BUDGETING AND MANAGING AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, HOW THINGS COME UP TO THE COUNCIL, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I COULD SUPPORT.

AND I WOULD ECHO MR. NORBY'S THOUGHTS.

AND MY CONCERN IS THIS IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 4 TO 5 YEARS WHERE WE GET A MOTION, A MINUTE MOTION, WE IMMEDIATELY GO TO A STUDY AND THE BEST ONE SO FAR IS THIS BENCH AT GRAND AND AND HARDING THAT WE SPENT 6 TO 9 MONTHS AND $35,000 BECAUSE WE HAD TO FOLLOW THIS THROUGH.

THIS IS NOT PART OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING OURSELVES OFF COURSE.

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AND TO START DOWN THIS PATH, I THINK IT'S WRONG.

SO WITH THAT, LET'S CALL THE QUESTION.

YES, DOCTOR.

YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I KNOW YOU KEEP BRINGING UP THE BENCH MY MOTION.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT NONE OF US ON THIS DAIS MADE THAT MOTION.

THANK YOU. OK.

CALL THE QUESTION.

MOTION FAILS. ANY OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS? COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. NO, I'VE MADE THE REST OF MY MY THOUGHTS KNOWN, WHICH ARE THAT EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST SEEMS IMPORTANT.

I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF SEVERAL OTHER OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT THEY MADE TODAY ABOUT MERKEL LOOKING IMPORTANT AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS JUST REALLY LOOKING LIKE WE HAVE TO RELY ON OUR STAFF TO HELP US SCHEDULE THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FUND THEM AND GET THEM DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER NORBY, ANYTHING ELSE? I JUST I THINK LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'VE ALREADY MOVED A FEW.

I GUESS WE'RE MOVING LESS THAN 12 FORWARD TODAY, AND I CAN SUPPORT THAT.

IT'S KIND OF IN TOTAL AS ONE MOTION TO MOVE THOSE FORWARD.

OKAY. DR., ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. IF YOU GOT A CLEAR [INAUDIBLE], MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO.

THERE IS ONE TYPO.

WE WERE GOING TO GET TO THIS WHEN WE GOT TO THE STAGECOACH COMMUNITY GARDEN THAT I WANTED TO TURN OVER TO PAZ GOMEZ JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE WAS A TYPO IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION ABOUT THAT PROJECT.

THANK YOU, DR. CURLEY.

WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT THE STAGECOACH COMMUNITY GARDEN, I HAD STATED THAT THE FUNDING SOURCE WAS THE PARK IN LOU SOUTHWEST.

THERE WAS A TYPO.

IT WAS THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT.

SO I'M PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT ERROR AND MAKING THE CORRECTION.

THANK YOU. NOTED.

YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEXT STEPS? I DO. YEAH.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

SO THE MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THOSE WILL CARRY FORWARD.

AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE CIP PROJECT WILL CONTINUE ON THE TIMELINE THAT STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED.

WELL, PERHAPS MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR THE OTHERS THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, WHICH IS THE REMAINING OF THE LIST THAT THAT COUNCIL BROUGHT COUNCIL MEMBERS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE THOSE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO I KNOW THAT WE DID LIKE FOUR OF THEM, BUT I DON'T WANT THOSE FOUR TO MOVE FASTER THAN THESE EIGHT OR I PERSONALLY WANT TO PRIORITIZE THEM ALL OF THE 55 TO MOVE THEM UP THE TIMELINE.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THOSE FOUR HIGHER THAN THESE EIGHT, I GUESS IS A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT.

SO I WOULD JUST CLARIFY, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTIONS THAT YOU MADE AT THE LAST MEETING, THE THE MONROE STREET POOL WILL CONTINUE ON THE TIMELINE.

IT WAS, BUT THE OPERATING IN THE CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET IS WHAT THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE DONE.

I GUESS THAT'S RIGHT.

I JUST THINK IT'S CLEANER IF WE MOTION SO.

EVERYTHING HAS A MOTION AND NOT FOUR OF THEM HAVE A MOTION AND ONE DOESN'T.

ONE GROUP OF EIGHT DOES I WE CAN TOTALLY DO THAT.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT AT THIS POINT, THE WAY THAT THE MOTION STANDS, THE MOTION STAND FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THERE IS THE THREE PROJECTS OF THE TYLER STREET TRAFFIC CIRCULATION STUDY, VILLAGE AND BARRIO TRAFFIC CIRCLES AND ALL OF THE VILLAGE AND BARRIO LIGHTING PROJECTS.

THOSE ARE BEING ASKED TO ACCELERATE.

SO STAFF WOULD BE COMING BACK IN MAY AND JUNE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WOULD NEED TO SHIFT RESOURCES OR DECELERATION OF OTHER THINGS TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY TO ACCELERATE. OKAY.

SO THEN IF, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT FOR THE OTHER REMAINING PROJECTS THAT THOSE MOVE FORWARD AS STAFF HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN THE CIP, THAT WOULD MAKE IT CLEAN.

JUST AGAIN, TO GET MY THOUGHTS SO THAT THEY'RE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY, I WOULD LIKE TO ACCELERATE THOSE AS WELL, NOT JUST LEAVE THEM AS THEY ARE.

I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT MENTIONED, THE OTHER 37 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS TO GO AT THEIR OWN PACE.

BUT I'D LIKE TO ACCELERATE THESE AS WELL.

IT'S NOT THE MOTION, I THINK.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YOU HEARD ME.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

DR. BHAT-PATEL.

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AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 12 DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

CAN THOSE PLEASE BE BROUGHT UP SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REFER TO? AND I'M PRETTY SURE I'M LOOKING AT IT ON, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

PAGE TEN AND 11.

IT'S ON THE SCREEN.

YEAH, BUT JUST IN CASE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THE PACKET AND THEN.

YES. ON THE SCREEN.

SO. I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF ALL OF THESE WERE BROUGHT UP IN ORDER TO BE PRIORITIZED.

IT WAS MORE FOR A DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHAT I HAD UNDERSTOOD WHEN WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT.

IF EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING THESE ALONG, THEN GREAT.

BUT I THINK THIS WAS MORE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND.

HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON.

WHERE IS THE WHERE IS THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF WHERE IT'S PENDING? AND THEN WHAT? WHEN IS THE END DATE? SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

I APPRECIATE THE KINDNESS TO ACCELERATE THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT STAFF HAS PUT IN HERE IN TERMS OF A TIMELINE AND WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE AT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, AT LEAST ON MY PART, THAT IF ANYONE'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE, AT LEAST FOR ME, I'M HAPPY WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO, SO I AGREE WITH YOU, DR.

BHAT-PATEL, BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH ACCELERATING ALL OF THESE.

IT WAS ABOUT THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I, FOR ONE, WILL SURELY NOT ACCELERATE THE COLLEGE BOULEVARD EXTENSION FIRE STATION SEVEN.

I'LL SUPPORT THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT I'M NOT READY TO SAY BUILD IT OR MAN IT.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL IN HERE THAT I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STUDIES AND THE PLANNING, BUT I'M NOT READY TO SAY BUILD IT.

SO. MR. BLACKBURN. I SAID IT EARLIER.

I'LL SAY IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S TIMELY AGAIN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONES THAT WE VOTED ON LAST WEEK.

I WOULD LIKE TO STICK TO THE TIMELINE ON ALL THE REMAINDERS THAT THE TIMELINE THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF.

AND IF YOU WANT THAT IN A MOTION FORM, I CAN MAKE THAT IN A MOTION FORM.

WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

THE MOTION ON THE TABLE TO ACCELERATE THE LISTED PROJECTS.

YOU CAN MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO MOVE WAS.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT.

SECOND. OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA.

I CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? THANK YOU. I WASN'T QUICK ENOUGH WITH THE HAND BUTTON, BUT YES, I DID WANT TO COMMENT.

THE REASON I WAS INTERESTED IN ACCELERATING OR HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ACCELERATING SOME OF THE OTHERS WAS RELATED TO SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME, WHICH IS THE LARGE AMOUNTS OF ATTENTION, RESOURCES AND EXTRA EFFORT THAT THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY AND IN PARTICULAR DISTRICT ONE GETS AS OPPOSED TO THE REST OF THE CITY.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT THE ONLY PROJECT THAT OUGHT TO BE PRIORITIZED ARE IN DISTRICT ONE, THAT THEY SHOULD ALL BE MOVED UP, THAT THEY'RE MORE IMPORTANT, AND THAT THE REST OF THE CITY CAN JUST STAY ON ITS OWN TIMELINE.

SO I, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M INTERESTED IN HAVING SOME OF THE OTHER ONES LOOKED OUT FOR ACCELERATION JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S FAIRLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE CITY.

IF WE ONLY ACCELERATE PROJECTS IN THAT ONE AREA OF THE CITY WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS ALL OVER.

SO THAT THAT WAS THE REASON I DO TRUST THAT STAFF HAS THE THE TIMELINE SET OUT FOR THINGS.

AND I PREVIOUSLY SAID IN THIS VERY SAME MEETING THAT THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE A LOT OF THAT PLANNING AND TIMING TO OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND TO OUR SOURCE STAFF. SO I'M FINE WITH NOT ACCELERATING ALL THE OTHER ONES.

IT'S TRUE, LIKE COLLEGE BOULEVARD EXTENSION AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, I DIDN'T PUT ON THE LIST AND I DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO ACCELERATE.

I JUST REALLY WANT THERE TO BE SOME UNDERSTANDING AND SOME AGREEMENT THAT THAT ONE PART OF THE CITY IS NOT TO BE PRIORITIZED.

WE'RE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE REST OF THE CITY.

SO THAT WAS THE REASON THAT I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT OTHER MOTION.

BUT I DO TRUST OUR STAFF AND I'M ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST BEFORE WE VOTE, THE ONLY ONE THAT GIVES ME ANY HEARTBURN AT ALL IS A MERKEL RESERVOIR.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ACCELERATE I'M SORRY, NOT MERKEL RESERVOIR, THE MERKEL ENERGY PROJECT.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ACCELERATE THAT, BUT I'LL BE VOTING NO ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR THAT REASON IF IT'S NOT ACCELERATED.

ANY OTHER COMMENT? OK, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

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OK SUBSTITUTE MOTION CARRIES.

WE DON'T NEED TO VISIT THE UNDERLYING MOTION.

OK. OK.

SO AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS.

IN MAY, YOU WILL BE RECEIVING THE STAFF PRESENTATION OF THE PRELIMINARY OPERATING BUDGET AND THEN IN EARLY JUNE, THE CIP BUDGET, WHICH WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THESE MOTIONS AND ANY ACCELERATING THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING.

AND THEN IN LATE JUNE, WE'LL BE BRINGING A DRAFT OF THE FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN BACK THAT WILL INCORPORATE THE FIVE GOAL THEMES THAT YOU ALL HAD IDENTIFIED AND THEN MORE SPECIFIC GOALS AND MEASUREMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.

WE'LL MAKE A CONNECTION POINT TO THE CIP PROJECTS, OF COURSE, THAT WE'VE BEEN IDENTIFYING THAT ARE WILL BE WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK BEFORE WE FINALIZE THAT FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.

I JUST WANT TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO YOU ALL.

THIS HAS BEEN A MESSY PROCESS.

IT'S GETTING LESS MESSY AS WE GET CLARITY.

AND THAT IS REALLY THE INTENTION OF DOING THIS RIGHT, IS TO COLLABORATE AND TO CREATE THAT CLARITY AND ALIGNMENT.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.

AND SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL FOR HANGING IN WITH THIS AND HANG IN WITH IT IN A HYBRID SETTING TOO.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ACOSTA AND COUNCILMEMBER NORBY BOTH HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT AND ALSO THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS BEEN HERE TO SHARE THEIR INSIGHTS AND PROVIDE THE INPUT. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR PROCESS AND A HUGE, BIG THANK YOU TO THE STAFF WHO NOW IS GOING TO TAKE THIS FORWARD AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT ALL FIT AND WORK AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.

AND ON THAT, I WILL SIGN OFF.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY FINAL COMMENTS, COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PARTICIPATE IN THIS HYBRID FASHION.

IT WAS DEFINITELY INTERESTING.

I DO THINK THIS PROCESS WAS SO IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S WHY, DESPITE NOT FEELING WELL, I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN SO THAT I COULD PARTICIPATE.

I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY HEAR ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, SOME OF WHICH ARE NOT VERY VISIBLE.

YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS SAY PIPE REPLACEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR BIGGER PROJECTS THAT ARE UNSEEN ARE NOT AS ATTRACTIVE.

THEY'RE NOT AS GLAMOROUS, BUT THEY'RE ALL SO IMPORTANT TO KEEP THIS CITY, THIS EXCELLENT, WELL-RUN CITY THAT WE LIVE IN.

SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE PUT THESE ALL OUT HERE AND WE GOT TO SEE HOW MANY PROJECTS WHERE OUR STAFF ARE WORKING ON AND THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

AND I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS IN PUBLIC.

SO GLAD TO BE HERE AND HOPEFULLY I'LL BE BETTER AND IN PERSON BY THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TODAY.

COUNCILMEMBER NORBY, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE PUBLIC.

IT TOOK US 3 MINUTES, THREE MEETINGS TO GET THROUGH IN TWO LOCATIONS AND A COUPLE OF MEMBERS, MYSELF AND COUNCILMEMBER ACOSTA, WHO'VE HAD TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY.

BUT I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND OUR GREAT FACILITATOR STAFF TO GET US WHERE WE ARE.

AND MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROCESS.

AND ON WE GO.

OKAY DR. BHAT-PATEL. YES.

JUST ECHOING THE SENTIMENTS OF GRATITUDE TO ALL INVOLVED, I KNOW IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET HERE, SO JUST GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS COME TO FRUITION.

THANKS. MR. BLACKBURN. NOTHING, THANK YOU.

AND I JUST ECHO MY COLLEAGUES.

CITY MANAGER. YES, SIR.

AND SPECIFICALLY, I DO WANT TO THANK SUMMER CURLEY.

YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THIS ARE CERTAINLY NOTED AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

A LOT OF TIMES IT FEELS LIKE HERDING CATS AND YOU DID AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. NO, I'M NOT CALLING MY COUNCIL MEMBERS CATS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF INFORMATION IN TRYING TO COORDINATE IT AND SYNTHESIZE IT.

AND KUDOS ALSO GOES TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF, CRADDICK AND PAZ AND TOM AND JOHN MASSOFF AND THEN, OF COURSE, JASON AND ALL OF HIS WORK AND SHEILA.

AND LET'S FACE IT, WE ALSO HAVE TO THANK OUR CITY CLERK'S STAFF, TOO, BECAUSE TRYING TO DO THESE HYBRID APPROACHES WITH VERY SHORT, SHORT NOTICE HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONAL. AND IN CONCLUSION, I WANT TO THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

SO THAT SAID, NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR STATEMENTS.

CITY ATTORNEY.

I'M READY TO READ US INTO CLOSED SESSION WHEN THE COUNCIL IS READY.

OKAY. CITY CLERK.

NOTHING THANK YOU. OKAY, THEN WE'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING.

AND MISS BREWER.

THANK YOU. WE NEED TO TAKE ROLL AGAIN.

OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO? WE DO NOT. WE'RE ADJOURNING DIRECTLY THERE.

WE'LL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.