GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE CARLSBAD PLANNING COMMISSION.
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ROLL CALL MADAM CLERK.COMMISSIONER LAFFERTY IS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
PRESENT. CHAIR KAMENJARIN IS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
COMMISSIONER DANNA, WOULD YOU DO THE HONORS OF PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THIS EVENING? YES. PLEASE STAND READY BEGIN.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY THIS EVENING WE DO NOT HAVE MINUTES.
IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM CHAIR? I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO REVIEW QUICKLY THE PROCEDURES IN REGARD TO SPEAKER SLIPS AND MEETING PROCEDURES THIS EVENING.
THE FOLLOWING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PROCEDURES ARE IN EFFECT.
REQUEST TO SPEAK MUST BE TURNED IN TO THE MINUTES CLERK PRIOR TO THE ITEM COMMENCING.
THIS WILL ALLOW SPEAKER TIME TO MANAGE A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.
ALL SPEAKERS WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES UNLESS THE TIME IS REDUCED BY THE CHAIRPERSON.
SPEAKERS MAY NOT GIVE THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER.
GROUP TIME WILL BE PERMITTED FOR ITEMS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE BROWN ACT ALLOWS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
PLEASE TREAT OTHERS WITH COURTESY.
MINUTES CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? NO WE DON'T.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE.
OKAY ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WE DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO IN REGARD TO ITEMS THAT ARE NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE MR. LARDY, OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE THE ITEM DEPARTMENT REPORTS ITEM.
[1. DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE - INFORMATIONAL REPORT AND STATUS UPDATE]
YES. AND TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENT A REPORT ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE I'M INVITING PUBLIC WORKS SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER KATIE HENTRICH.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS VICE CHAIR I AM KATIE HENTRICH.
I AM A SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER AND THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ADMINISTRATOR, AND I WILL BE PROVIDING AN INTRODUCTION TO THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. AND WHILE THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT, I WANTED TO THANK OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, THE ENERGY POLICY INITIATIVES CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SAN DIEGO AND ASCENT ENVIRONMENTAL FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS EFFORT.
DURING THE PRESENTATION, I'LL BE PROVIDING INFORMATION ON THE PURPOSE OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, TARGETS AND PROJECTIONS FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED MEASURES, TOUCH ON CLIMATE EQUITY, DISCUSS PUBLIC INPUT TO DATE AND PROVIDE NEXT STEPS.
THE CITY ADOPTED ITS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IN 2015 AS PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT SAME YEAR.
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THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS THEN AMENDED IN 2020, AND THIS WAS LARGELY DONE TO CORRECT A CALCULATION ERROR WITHIN THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY PROJECTIONS AND TARGETS. WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN WAS UPDATED IN 2015, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WAS INCLUDED AS A MITIGATION MEASURE IN THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. AND BECAUSE THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WENT THROUGH THE CEQA PROCESS BY WAY OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, THIS MEANS THAT THE PLAN IS CEQA QUALIFIED OR THAT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT SHOW CONSISTENCY WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN CAN BE STREAMLINED.A NUMBER OF PREVIOUS ACTIONS HAVE SET THE STAGE FOR UPDATING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, STARTING WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT ON THE PLAN PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL 2021.
DURING THIS ITEM, STAFF DISCUSSED THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONE EFFORT THAT HAD RECENTLY BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE TO FOLLOW TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY LAND USE AND GROWTH CHANGES THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT EFFORT.
ON JUNE 8TH, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FUNDING FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
THEN, ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A DECLARATION OF A CLIMATE EMERGENCY.
ON OCTOBER 11TH, 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES SUSTAINABILITY AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, AS ONE OF ITS FIVE FOCUS AREAS AS WELL AS AN OBJECTIVE AND STRATEGIC ACTION.
THEN, ON JANUARY 30TH, 2024, THE CITY COUNCIL CERTIFIED THE FINAL SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN, LAND USE AND COMMUNITY DESIGN ELEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT, WHICH ENCOMPASSED THE HOUSING ELEMENT REZONE EFFORT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
INCLUDED IN THAT CEQA DOCUMENT IS MITIGATION MEASURE GHG-1, WHICH REQUIRES THE CITY TO DRAFT AND ADOPT A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE WITHIN 12 TO 18 MONTHS THAT ACCOMMODATES THE UPDATED GREENHOUSE GAS TARGETS, AND INCLUDES THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH ALLOWED IN THE UPDATED HOUSING PROJECTIONS.
THE TARGET COMPLETION DATE FOR THAT MITIGATION MEASURE IS JANUARY TO JULY 2025.
IT ALLOWS US TO FURTHER PURSUE THE CITY'S GUIDING PRINCIPLE AND COMMUNITY VALUE OF SUSTAINABILITY.
WE CAN MAKE THE PLAN EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND WE CAN BUILD CONSENSUS ALONG THE WAY.
SO PRETENDING IT'S 2015, LET'S START WITH BOX NUMBER ONE AT THE TOP WITH DEVELOPING THE PLAN.
THE CORE COMPONENTS OF WHICH ARE THE BASELINE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY PROJECTIONS AND TARGETS, AS WELL AS THE MEASURES IN THE PLAN, ALL OF WHICH I'LL BE PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION ON LATER.
ONCE THE 2015 PLAN WAS ADOPTED, WE MOVED TO BOX NUMBER TWO TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN, USING THE INFORMATION IN THE PLAN ITSELF AS A GUIDE FOR TIMING OF THE LOCAL AND COLLABORATIVE ACTIONS, OR A SEPARATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IF THAT'S PREFERRED.
STAFF MONITORED AND REPORTED PROGRESS OF THE 2015 PLAN ANNUALLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE BOX IN THE CENTER OF THE GRAPHIC CALLS OUT THINGS TO CONSIDER THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, SUCH AS STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, WHICH I'LL BE COVERING LATER, BENEFITS AND COSTS, ADAPTATION AND EQUITY AND CEQA.
THE CITY'S TOTAL EMISSIONS WERE 981,000 METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT, AND THE BREAKDOWN OF THE INVENTORY FOLLOWS A STANDARD PATTERN ACROSS JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE REGION AND THE STATE, WITH ON ROAD TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNTING FOR THE BULK OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AT 51%, FOLLOWED BY ELECTRICITY AT 27%, NATURAL GAS AT 14%, AND THEN THE REMAINING SECTORS ALL AT LESS THAN 5%.
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SO FOR MORE CONTEXT, THAT NUMBER IS THE SAME AS CONSUMING 110 MILLION GALLONS OF GASOLINE, DRIVING 218,000 PASSENGER VEHICLES CONTINUOUSLY FOR ONE YEAR, RECYCLING 48,000 GARBAGE TRUCKS WORTH OF WASTE VERSUS SENDING IT TO A LANDFILL, OR THE TOTAL ELECTRICITY USED BY 124,000 HOUSEHOLDS FOR ONE YEAR.USING THE GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, WE THEN SET OUR REDUCTION TARGETS.
THIS SLIDE IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW THAT HAPPENS.
THE MIDDLE LINE REPRESENTS THE LEGISLATIVELY ADJUSTED BUSINESS AS USUAL PROJECTIONS.
WITH SO MANY STATE AND FEDERAL ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS, THIS ACTUALLY LOWERS THE CEILING OF WHERE LOCAL AGENCIES NEED TO START WHEN ASSESSING THEIR GREENHOUSE GAS IMPACTS.
AND THEN THE ARROWS BENEATH THAT CENTER LINE REPRESENT THE REDUCTIONS NEEDED FROM A LOCAL AGENCY, OR THE GAP THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE TO MEET THESE TARGETS. AND HOW THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED IS THROUGH THE MEASURES IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
BY 2035, THE CITY WILL NEED TO REDUCE 50% OF ITS EMISSIONS BELOW THE 2016 BASELINE.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH SENATE BILL 32 AND ALSO ALIGNS WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN BUILD OUT YEAR.
BY 2045, THE CITY WILL NEED TO REDUCE 85% OF EMISSIONS BELOW THE 2016 BASELINE.
AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH ASSEMBLY BILL 1279.
SO WE HAVE OUR INVENTORY, WE HAVE OUR TARGETS, NOW LET US TALK ABOUT OUR PROJECTIONS.
SO WE HAVE THE TOP LINE OR THE ORANGE LINE.
THAT IS OUR BUSINESS AS USUAL PROJECTIONS.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, STARTING WITH THAT 981,000 METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT, OR ALL THOSE CARS DRIVING AROUND, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT IN OUR 2016 BASELINE YEAR, AND THEN PROJECTING ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE TO 2045.
IN THE CENTER, THERE ARE TWO LINES THAT ARE PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER.
THE LINE THAT STARTS ON THE BOTTOM BUT MOVES TOWARDS THE TOP OR THE BLUE LINE.
THAT'S OUR LEGISLATIVELY ADJUSTED BUSINESS AS USUAL PROJECTIONS.
SO TAKING ALL OF THOSE STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION INTO ACCOUNT.
THE LINE THAT SWITCHES PLACES WITH IT OR THE PURPLE LINE.
THOSE ARE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION TARGETS.
HOWEVER, IF WE KEEP GOING TO 2045, THIS IS NO LONGER THE CASE.
SO BEFORE I MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE MEETING OUR 2035 TARGETS SOLELY BASED ON STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATION, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN DO NOTHING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
INCLUDE SUCCESSFUL MEASURES FROM OUR PREVIOUS EXISTING CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
ENSURE THAT THE MEASURES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED BY INCORPORATING INFORMATION FROM STAFF ACROSS THE CITY.
REFLECT THE CITY'S GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND COMMUNITY VALUES OF SUSTAINABILITY.
THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE HAS 25 POTENTIAL MEASURES, WITH 37 PRIMARY ACTIONS AND 69 SUPPORTING ACTIONS, AND TOGETHER THOSE MEASURES EXCEED THE 2045 REDUCTION TARGETS BY 6000 METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EQUIVALENT.
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AND ALL OF THESE MEASURES ARE INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT ONE TO YOUR STAFF REPORT.THIS IS A SAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PROPOSED MEASURES IN THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
SO THE MEASURES ARE ORGANIZED INTO THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES, WATER AND WASTE WATER, ENERGY, WASTE DIVERSION, TRANSPORTATION, OFF ROAD EQUIPMENT, AND CARBON SEQUESTRATION.
SO THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH MEASURE, EXCUSE ME, STARTING AT THE TOP LEFT, WE HAVE A MEASURE NUMBER, TITLE AND TYPE OF MEASURE. SPECIFICALLY, IF IT'S AN EXISTING ACTION, EXPANDED ACTION OR A NEW ACTION.
TYPICALLY, A PRIMARY ACTION IS THE ACTION THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REDUCING THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE TRACKING WITH THE DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HITTING OUR TARGETS AND SUPPORTIVE ACTIONS ARE JUST THAT, THEY'RE MEANT TO SUPPORT THAT PRIMARY ACTION.
AND THEN IN THE BOXES, EACH MEASURE HAS THE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS ASSOCIATED IMPLEMENTATION DETAILS SUCH AS TIMING AND RESPONSIBLE CITY DEPARTMENT'S MONITORING BENCHMARKS, THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO MONITOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE MEASURE.
EQUITY CONSIDERATIONS AND CO-BENEFITS.
SPEAKING OF EQUITY, CLIMATE EQUITY DESERVES MUCH MORE ATTENTION THAN ONE SLIDE, BUT I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON IT BECAUSE IT IS A NEW COMPONENT TO THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTS ARE FELT DISPROPORTIONATELY BY VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, PEOPLE OF COLOR, COMMUNITIES OF CONCERN AND MORE, AND THE BENEFITS OF AND OPPORTUNITIES RELATED TO THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE MUST BE DISTRIBUTED EQUITABLY THROUGHOUT CARLSBAD.
A CLIMATE EQUITY ANALYSIS, PREPARED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS WOULD HELP STAFF WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR GRANT FUNDING TO SUPPORT.
EARLY ON IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, STAFF CONDUCTED PHASE ONE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
THE GOAL OF THIS PHASE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE REFLECTED THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS, AND THE THEMES THAT WE HEARD ARE LISTED ON THE SLIDE. I THEN WAITED OVER A YEAR FOR A CRITICAL DATA SET FOR THIS EFFORT.
SO DURING THAT TIME, WE CONTINUED OUTREACH IN WHAT I INFORMALLY REFERRED TO AS PHASE 1.5.
THIS WAS TABLING AT COMMUNITY EVENTS, PROMOTING THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS, THINGS LIKE THAT AT, YOU KNOW, OUR EARTH DAY FAIR EXTRAVAGANZA, OUR FIXIT CLINICS, WHAT HAVE YOU.
THIS WAS DONE THROUGH AN ONLINE SURVEY IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH.
MEETINGS WITH INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS, TABLING AT EVENTS LIKE THE ONES I JUST MENTIONED, AS WELL AS POP UP TABLING AT OUR CITY FACILITIES AND PARKS ACROSS ALL DISTRICTS TIMES AND DAYS OF THE WEEK.
WE REALLY APPRECIATED ALL OF THE INPUT AND PARTICIPATION THAT WE RECEIVED ACROSS THE BOARD.
IT'S A PUBLIC INPUT SUMMARY SO YOU CAN DIG IN AND READ MORE INFORMATION THERE.
OVERALL, THE THEMES THAT WE'VE HEARD IN PHASE TWO MIRRORED THOSE IN PHASE ONE.
AND WHAT I HAVE ON THE SLIDE IS BUT A SAMPLE OF FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.
SO THERE WAS BROAD GENERAL SUPPORT FOR SEVERAL MEASURES.
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POTENTIAL MEASURE.WE HEARD THAT ELECTRIFICATION AND RENEWABLE ENERGY REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY CHALLENGING AND EXPENSIVE.
WE HEARD THAT EXISTING TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND WE ALSO HEARD THAT USING 2035 AS A TARGET YEAR IS NOT AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH.
AT THAT MEETING, WE HEARD THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.
FIRST, TO ESTABLISH CLEAR INTERIM BENCHMARKS BETWEEN THE 2035 AND 2045 TARGET YEARS.
AND A QUICK ASTERISK THERE IS, BECAUSE THE SUITE OF PROPOSED MEASURES WE SHARED LAST FALL WERE MEETING OUR 2045 REDUCTION TARGET EXACTLY VERSUS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH IS NOW EXCEEDING THAT TARGET.
WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL TO ADD IN A MEASURE TO INSTALL SOLAR IN CITY OWNED PARKING LOTS.
AND WE HEARD TO ADD A MEASURE IN BANNING ARTIFICIAL TURF WITHIN THE CITY.
SO STAFF DID THE FIRST THREE BULLETS ON THIS LIST.
THE SAMPLE MEASURE THAT I SHARED WAS ACTUALLY OUR SOLAR CARPORT MEASURE BACK A COUPLE SLIDES AGO.
STAFF DID NOT INCLUDE A MEASURE BANNING ARTIFICIAL TURF.
JUMPING AHEAD TO THE PRESENT DAY, THE PUBLIC DRAFT OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE WAS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE ON JULY 8TH, AND SHARED IN OUR CITY MANAGER'S WEEKLY EMAIL ON CITY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, THROUGH OUR STAKEHOLDER MAILING LISTS, IN NEWS ARTICLES, AT COMMUNITY EVENTS.
SINCE THEN, STAFF HAS MET WITH 11 STAKEHOLDER GROUPS TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT PLAN.
STAFF ALSO RECEIVED 13 COMMENTS BY THE BY AUGUST 16TH, AND THIS WAS THE DEADLINE THAT WE INFORMED THE PUBLIC OF TO RECEIVE COMMENTS TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT PACKET.
FOR NEXT STEPS, STAFF WILL BE CONTINUING OUTREACH AND RECEIVING PUBLIC INPUT ON THE DRAFT PLAN.
WE WILL BE RETURNING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER, AND AT THAT MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE CONSIDERING MAKING TWO RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND AS OF NOW, WE ARE ON SCHEDULE TO BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION LATER THIS FALL.
A BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THOSE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE FIRST WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CERTIFY ADDENDUM NUMBER ONE TO THE HOUSING ELEMENT IMPLEMENTATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT UPDATE SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE THAT IS THE CEQA DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
CLARIFYING. COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES. EXCELLENT OVERVIEW ON THIS, THIS IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
I SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR THIS AFTERNOON TRYING TO JUST GET A SENSE OF IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT IN THERE.
CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE ITEMS. THE TERM CARBON SEQUESTRATION.
ARE WE TALKING AND I LIKE TO BREAK IT DOWN IN RATHER THAN HIGHFALUTIN WORDS AND PRACTICAL TERMS IS WHAT DOES IT MEAN? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PLANTING TREES THAT BASICALLY TAKE CARBON DIOXIDE FROM THE ATMOSPHERE AND RELEASE OXYGEN? IS THAT IS THAT THE PRINCIPAL COMPONENT IN CARBON SEQUESTRATION? YES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER STINE, THAT IS EXACTLY IT.
THAT'S A FANCY WAY OF SAYING PLANT MORE TREES.
THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUZZWORD THERE, AND I WANT KIND OF SOME PRACTICAL SENSE ON THAT.
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MY SENSE IS THERE IS A BELIEF THAT A PLAN LIKE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS AND THAT ARE IN LOWER SOCIO ECONOMIC GROUPS IN CARLSBAD, THEY MAY BE HIT HARDER THAN MORE AFFLUENT GROUPS.IS THAT THE GENERAL SENSE OF THIS, OR CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? YEAH. THANK YOU.
I DON'T THINK SO MUCH THAT THE PLAN ITSELF WOULD HAVE DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS.
IT'S MORE THAT CLIMATE CHANGE HAS DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
YEAH. I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME DATA SETS AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT SHOW THINGS LIKE DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEALTH INDICATORS, FOR EXAMPLE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ONE SUCH DATABASE WOULD BE OH MAN, I'M BLANKING ON IT RIGHT NOW, AND I DEFINITELY KNOW IT'S GOING TO COME TO ME IN LIKE FIVE MINUTES.
BUT DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEALTH INDICATORS OVERLAID WITH OTHER CENSUS DATA.
IT CAN SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE WITH LOWER ECONOMIC STATUS, PEOPLE WHO ENGLISH IS NOT THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE, SENIORS, FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES, ET CETERA.
ET CETERA. THEY ARE OFTEN IMPACTED FIRST AND WORST IS A PHRASE THAT IS USED OFTEN BY THESE EXTREME CLIMATE IMPACTS. OKAY, LET'S BREAK IT DOWN TO A SPECIFIC.
HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT IN TERMS OF CLIMATE EQUITY? BECAUSE IF THERE'S A WILDFIRE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ANYBODY IN THAT AREA AND THE SMOKE IS GOING TO HAVE HEALTH EFFECTS, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY AND YOU'RE RIGHT IT WOULD IMPACT EVERYBODY.
SO FOR A WILDFIRE, AN EXAMPLE THAT I LIKE TO THINK OF IS, OKAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS AREA OF DANGER, RIGHT? SOME FOLKS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A CAR.
AND IF OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT RUNNING HIGH FREQUENCY OR IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET TO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT PUTS CERTAIN COMPONENTS OF OUR POPULATION AT, YOU KNOW, A DISADVANTAGE VERSUS THOSE THAT OWN A CAR.
OKAY. SO HOW QUICKLY YOU COULD GET OUT OF HARM'S WAY AND BASICALLY, RIGHT.
AND THAT PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T OWN A VEHICLE MAYBE HAVE TO RELY UPON BUSSES OR OTHER TRANSPORTATION, WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTRICATE THEMSELVES AS QUICKLY AS MORE AFFLUENT FOLKS WHO WOULD JUMP IN THEIR CAR AND LEAVE.
YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER? MR. COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.
THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, AND IT'S A VERY THOROUGH PLAN.
AND MY QUESTIONS ARE CENTERED AROUND THE IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, AND I'M A BUSINESS AND I COULD TAKE ANY ONE OF THE SPECIFIC INITIATIVES AND I EITHER CAN'T MEET IT OR THERE'S SOME CONFLICT WITH MY BUSINESS.
HOW IS THAT RESOLVED? IS THIS IS THIS A CODE? THEN THAT WILL BE IT'LL BE BAKED INTO THE BUILDING CODES OR BE BAKED INTO THE THE, I GUESS, THE LAWS OR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.
AND AND THEN ARE THERE PUNITIVE MEASURES FOR IF PARTICULAR BUSINESSES CAN'T MEET THESE TARGETS.
HOW WILL THAT WORK? YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE MEASURE TYPE CERTAINLY.
SO FOR ANY OF THOSE EXPANDED OR NEW MEASURES.
IT RUNS THE GAMUT, REALLY, OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
SO ANYTHING THAT IS A NEW ACTION IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE TAKING BACK TO DECISION MAKING BODIES, ESPECIALLY THE CITY COUNCIL, WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS PROGRAM, THE OUTREACH ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROGRAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO AS FAR AS THE EXACT COSTS TO EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, SOME OF THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET BECAUSE WE
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HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THEM SINCE THESE WOULD BE BRAND NEW POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT WOULD BE TAKING PLACE.DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES AND NO. SO WHERE I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS IS THAT IF I HAVE A BUSINESS AND THERE'S THERE'S ALL THESE ENORMOUS REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE WE'RE PUSHING THE REQUIREMENTS ONTO BUSINESSES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, THAT THAT THEN IMPACTS THESE, THESE NUMBERS.
ALL RIGHT. SO THAT GOES TO THE TARGETS ALSO.
BUT BUT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT, THE CONFLICT WITH ECONOMIC FACTORS THE COST TO BUSINESS AND HAVING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH TARGETS GOING OUT 10 YEARS AND 20 YEARS.
WE PRETEND TO KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HIT TARGETS.
THEY'RE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO HIT.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
AND THERE'S A THERE'S A HUMAN COST AND A BUSINESS COST TO THIS THAT I DIDN'T SEE REALLY CALCULATED.
AND I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO CALCULATE IT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE LAWS OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH SOMETHING THIS IMPACTFUL.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LAY OUT THESE TARGETS, THAT THEY'RE A SLAM DUNK BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT THE FARTHEST THING FROM ONE.
SO I'M PONTIFICATING A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S SORT OF MY CONCERN.
YOU LEAVE ROOM FOR THAT LATER TOO AS WELL.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR CLARIFYING FOR KATIE? ALRIGHTY. WE'LL OPEN FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY MINUTES.
CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY SLIPS FOR SPEAKERS? YES, VICE CHAIR WE HAVE SEVEN.
IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND LINE UP UNDER THE CLOCK.
MICHAEL MCMAHON, CRAIG BENEDETTO, MELANIE WOODS.
OKAY, BEFORE WE BEFORE WE START HERE, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND INDICATE THAT EACH SPEAKER HAS THREE MINUTES TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS TO HELP SPEAKERS STAY WITHIN THE TIME LIMIT, THE MINUTES CLERK WILL ACTIVATE A LIGHTED TIMER.
YELLOW MEANS YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE TO REMAIN.
THE BLINKING RED LIGHT MEANS THAT YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION.
PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC AND CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME.
OKAY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE MCMAHON.
WE'RE LIVING IN EXTRAORDINARY TIMES FOR OUR CLIMATE.
THE TEN WARMEST YEARS SINCE RECORD KEEPING STARTED IN 1850 HAVE ALL OCCURRED IN THE PAST DECADE, AS DECLARED BY OUR CITY. WE'RE IN A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, AND IT'S HERE NOW.
KATIE HENTRICH AND STAFF HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN PRESENTING MEASURES AND STRATEGIES SO WE CAN IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE, OF WHICH ALL NEED TO BE ENACTED IN ORDER TO MEET OUR GREENHOUSE GAS TARGETS IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.
WE NEED TO ACT ON ALL THE EXISTING AND EXPANDED AND NEW MEASURES IN THE CAP UPDATE TO DECARBONIZE OUR BUILDINGS, OUR BUILDINGS ENERGY SOURCES AND OUR TRANSPORTATION AND GET THEM IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WHILE PROJECTIONS TO 2035 SHOW US POSSIBLY MEETING GREENHOUSE TARGETS, THE SCALE OF EFFORT TO MEET 2045 TARGET, AS STATED IN THE CAP WILL REQUIRE AN ACCELERATION OF THESE REDUCTIONS AND LIKELY COSTS.
SO LET'S DO ALL WE CAN NOW TO BUILD IN ALL MEASURES PRESENTED TO AVOID FUTURE SHORTFALLS.
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COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING.I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING NAIOP SAN DIEGO.
WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED COMMENT LETTERS BEFORE, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR INPUT WAS IGNORED.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR INDUSTRY INVESTS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO COMPLY WITH YOUR EXISTING CLIMATE ACTION PLANS, AS WELL AS THE STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT STAFF NOTED. UNDER THE CURRENT CAP AND THE ONGOING INCREASES IN THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS, YOU WILL MORE THAN MEET THE TARGET SET IN 2035, AND YOU WILL MOSTLY MEET THEM IN 2045. WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? IN THESE UNCERTAIN AND DIFFICULT ECONOMIC TIMES ADDING MORE REQUIREMENTS WILL ONLY MAKE RENTING OF BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL SPACE MORE DIFFICULT AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
THE STATE IS ALSO ALREADY TO ALREADY TO UPDATE ITS NEXT BUILDING CODE, ITS TRIENNIAL PROCESS, WHICH PROMISES AN EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVE ACTION ON ENERGY CONSERVATION AND GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
AS OUR LETTER STATES, AND UNDER RECENT APPELLATE COURT DECISIONS, CITIES CANNOT MANDATE THIS ACTION.
YOUR TARGETS. SO WE'D RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THESE BE REMOVED FROM THE CAP UPDATE.
THE CITY COULD THEN FOCUS ON LEADING BY EXAMPLE, WORKING ON ITS OWN.
OPERATIONS AND ITS OWN BUILDINGS TO SHOW RESIDENTS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL WHAT CAN BE DONE.
AND THEN STAFF CAN WORK WITH OUR MEMBERS, YOUR BUSINESSES, YOUR JOBS CREATORS TO COME UP WITH INCENTIVES AND WAYS TO HELP GO BEYOND WHAT THE CITY AND THE STATE ARE ALREADY DOING. AS I NOTED, WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF ADDITIONAL SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT WERE INCORPORATED INTO OUR COALITION LETTER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND SERVICE TO THE CITY.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY.
I'M MELANIE WOODS, VICE PRESIDENT AT THE CALIFORNIA APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR STRONG CONCERN WITH THE PROPOSED CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE LACKS DETAIL ON EXACTLY HOW NEW GOALS WILL BE ACHIEVED, AND MASKS THE TRUE COSTS AND CHALLENGES WITH IMPLEMENTING THESE NEW STANDARDS.
AS STAFF MENTIONED, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW THE TRUE COST TO BUSINESS AND THEREFORE THE FEASIBILITY OF THESE MEASURES BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WE REQUEST THAT YOU CONDUCT AN IN-DEPTH COST ANALYSIS ON THE PROPOSED PLAN.
THE CITY DID A FULL ANALYSIS OF THEIR OWN COSTS TO IMPLEMENT THESE REQUIREMENTS, BUT LACKED A FULL ANALYSIS FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE PRIVATE PARTIES WHO WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THESE GUIDELINES.
IT'S UNCLEAR HOW THESE NEW PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WOULD BE MET WITHOUT AN ELECTRIFICATION MANDATE.
IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT DECARBONIZATION OF BUILDINGS IS INCENTIVE BASED RATHER THAN THROUGH A COSTLY MANDATE, AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU ON A MORE REASONABLE PLAN THAT WILL HELP ACHIEVE CLIMATE GOALS WITHOUT THE COSTLY, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND EXORBITANT COSTS TO BUSINESSES.
PLEASE RECONSIDER MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE PROCESS TODAY.
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THANK YOU. THE NEXT THREE SPEAKERS ARE CHRIS CATE, DIANE NYGAARD, AND LINDA DANIELS.BUT AS WE'VE MENTIONED, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANYWHERE WITH OUR CONCERNS.
I WANT TO REITERATE AND REINFORCE THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
OUR NATURAL CONCERN IS THAT ANY ADDITIONAL REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT INCREASE THE COST OF HOUSING PRODUCTION WILL ONLY CONTINUE OR TO EXACERBATE OUR CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS.
THE AVERAGE COST OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN SAN DIEGO HAS NOW SURPASSED $1 MILLION.
INSTEAD OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, THE CITY SHOULD WAIT FOR THE COMPLETION OF THESE CODE UPDATES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON GHG REDUCTIONS. AS STAFF MOVE FORWARD MOVES FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTATION, WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT STAFF WORK WITH OUR COALITION TO ENSURE THAT THESE MEASURES DO NOT RESULT IN MAKING HOUSING EVEN MORE UNATTAINABLE TO SAN DIEGANS.
WE KNOW, AND STAFF HAS ACKNOWLEDGED, THAT TRANSPORTATION IS A LEADING SOURCE OF GHG EMISSIONS.
GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS DIANE NYGAARD REPRESENTING PRESERVE CALAVERA.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AND WE INCLUDE LOTS OF DETAILED COMMENTS THAT WILL HELP MOVE THIS FORWARD.
WE NOTE THAT THE 2045 TARGET IS EXCEEDED BY ONLY 6000 METRIC TONS.
THAT IS A MINUSCULE AMOUNT COMPARED TO THE 981,000 METRIC TONS OF EMISSIONS GENERATED, A MINUSCULE IMPROVEMENT ABOVE THE TARGET.
AND WE KNOW THAT ASSUMES THAT THE STATE IS MEETING ALL OF THEIR TARGETS.
WE ALL HAVE TO DO OUR FAIR SHARE TO ADDRESS THIS.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THREE AREAS WHERE WE THINK WE ASK YOU TO FOCUS IMPROVEMENTS ON.
ONE OF THOSE WAS THE PARKING STUDIES FOR THE VILLAGE AND THE BARRIO.
THOSE DRAFTS HAVE JUST BEEN RELEASED THIS LAST MONTH.
THOSE THINGS IMPROVE THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND ASSURANCES THAT TARGETS CAN BE MET.
WE ALSO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT HOW THE CITY CAN SET AN EXAMPLE AND BE AN EARLY ADOPTER ON MANY OF THESE ITEMS. MANY OF THOSE ACTIONS, GOOD ACTIONS, ARE INCLUDED FOR THE CITY, BUT THEY DON'T KICK IN UNTIL 2030 OR EVEN LATER.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TEST SOME OF THESE THINGS, TO SEE WHAT WORKS, TO COME UP WITH SOME GOOD BEST PRACTICES, AND TO MAYBE SAVE BUSINESSES SOME MONEY AS THEY GO THROUGH THE SAME PATH. AND THIRD, TO REALLY LOOK AT OUR BASELINE MODE SPLIT DATA.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT GOOD BASELINE DATA.
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THEY'RE STILL IN PLANNING.THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET.
WE NEED BASELINE DATA TO REALLY MEASURE HOW WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT.
COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I LIVED IN CARLSBAD FOR 11 YEARS.
I HAVE FULLY ELECTRIFIED MY HOME AND I DRIVE AN ELECTRIC CAR.
SO YOU MIGHT SAY I WALK THE TALK.
I AM A MEMBER AND REPRESENTING THE SIERRA CLUB AS WELL AS THE SAN DIEGO BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION COALITION, AND I AM REPRESENTING CARLSBAD WITH THE CAC ON THE CEA COMMUNITY ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR OUR CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE.
PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY DON'T USE ACRONYMS. WELL THIS LONG WORDS.
BUT ANYWAY, SO I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN SAVING OUR PLANET.
THAT'S HOW CONCERNED I AM ABOUT IT.
WE'RE IN A CLIMATE CRISIS, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT DESPITE THE CLIMATE DENIERS WON'T WORK.
THE SOONER WE ACT, THE BETTER OUR CHANCES ARE OF REDUCING AND CURBING GREENHOUSE GASES.
THE NEW CAP IS REALLY WELL DONE BY KATIE.
WE WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE HERE IN CARLSBAD AND SERVE AS AN EXAMPLE TO OTHER CITIES.
LET'S MAKE THIS CAP A REALITY, OKAY? CEA HAS A PLAN CALLED SOLAR PLUS.
HAVE YOU ALL HEARD OF SOLAR PLUS? OKAY. WE ARE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH POWER OF AUTHORITY GRANT WITH TESLA, AND WE WILL INSTALL SOLAR ON ANYBODY'S ROOF, HAVE TO INSPECT THE ROOF TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION AND INSTALL SOLAR AT ABSOLUTELY NO CHARGE DOESN'T DEPEND UPON SOMEBODY'S CREDIT OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT MY FRIEND, WAS ONE OF THE FIRST EIGHT TO DO IT THREE MONTHS AGO.
SO THE ONLY THING HE HAD TO DO WAS POWER WASH HIS ROOF.
OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING WAS FINE.
SO TESLA COMES OUT, MAKES AN INSPECTION OF YOUR ROOF, SAYS, OH, IT'S FINE.
THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'RE CHARGED IS FOR THE TESLA BATTERY THAT TESLA PUTS INTO THE GARAGE TO CAPTURE ALL THE ENERGY THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM THE SUN.
OKAY. AND THAT'S $115 A MONTH.
SO PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD SOLAR PLUS IS WHERE IT'S GOING.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
AND I'M HERE TO SAVE THE PLANET.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LAUREN CASARES AND PAUL KLUCAS.
GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
MY NAME IS LAUREN CASARES, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE SAN DIEGO REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND OUR OVER 300 OR OVER 2200 MEMBER BUSINESSES AND 300,000 JOBS REGIONALLY.
OUR MISSION IS TO MAKE SAN DIEGO THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK.
AND COMMISSIONER HUBINGER, I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS.
THE CHAMBER USES A FRAMEWORK TO REVIEW CLIMATE ACTION PLANS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, WHICH INCLUDES GENERAL SUPPORT FOR CREATING INCENTIVE AND TRADING PROGRAMS, ENCOURAGEMENT OF COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITH PRIVATE SECTOR.
THE NECESSITY THAT POLICIES ARE RARELY MANDATED.
WE BELIEVE THE DRAFT LACKS SUFFICIENT DETAIL ON IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES, ESPECIALLY REGARDING BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION BENCHMARKING, WHICH COULD OBSCURE THE TRUE COST AND CHALLENGES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, AND FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WAYS BUSINESSES ARE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS IN CARLSBAD.
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WE STRONGLY, WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD FOCUS ON INCENTIVE PROGRAMS RATHER THAN MANDATES, AND TO ENCOURAGE FURTHER GHG REDUCTION BY BUSINESSES.THE DRAFT IS ALSO MISSING A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR THE PROPOSED PRIVATE SECTOR REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE BUSINESS BECAUSE BUSINESSES ASSESS INVESTMENTS OVER A SHORTER PERIOD THAN THE CITY'S LONG TERM PROJECTIONS, THERE IS A REAL POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED COSTS FOR GOODS, SERVICES AND HOUSING ASSOCIATED WITH THESE MANDATES.
WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT YOUR CITY WILL ALREADY MEET THE STATE REQUIRED CLIMATE TARGETS BY 2035, WITH THE CURRENT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN MEASURES AND REQUESTS THAT ANY ADDITIONAL MANDATES AND THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACTS BE STUDIED BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS THEM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M A PLANNER WITH PLANNING SYSTEMS. OUR ADDRESS IS 1530 FARADAY, SUITE 100 IN CARLSBAD.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WE'VE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED CAP REPORT, BUT THE CITY HAS NOT ANALYZED THE COST OF BUSINESSES THAT THESE NEW REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO CAUSE. THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THE CRC IS A PREMIER RESEARCH BUSINESS PARK IN CARLSBAD LARGE LOTS, LARGE BUILDINGS.
BUT THE CRC IS FINDING THAT THE CAP REGULATIONS DISCOURAGE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AND UPKEEP TO OUR BUILDINGS IN THE CENTER, AND WE FEAR THIS IS ONLY GOING TO GET MORE COSTLY AND MORE DIFFICULT.
VIRTUALLY ALL TENANT IMPROVEMENTS IN EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE CRC ARE APPRAISED IN EXCESS OF $200,000 LIMIT, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OF SOLAR PANELS AND TRANSPORTATION DEMAND, THAT'S WHERE THEY KICK IN AT THE $200,000, THE COST OF THE ADDED EXPENSE OF THE SOLAR AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS FREQUENTLY IT DISCOURAGES THE IMPROVEMENTS.
TYPICALLY, CRC BUILDING OWNERS REQUEST TENANT IMPROVEMENTS IN ORDER TO UPGRADE A VACANT BUILDING OR A VACANT FLOOR IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING AND ATTRACT A HIGHER QUALITY TENANT.
GETTING HIT WITH A COSTLY SOLAR PANEL REQUIREMENTS, OR PREPARING A TDM PLAN WITHOUT SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE TENANT OR THEIR OPERATING PROCEDURES, IS LARGELY GUESSWORK AND MOST LIKELY TO BE INACCURATE.
THE CRC OWNER'S ASSOCIATION OPINION IS THAT IS, THAT RECONFIGURATION OF FLOOR AREA OR OFFICE SPACES DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY DENOTE THAT THE PROJECT WILL RESULT IN INCREASED CAP EMISSIONS.
SO WE THINK THAT THE CITY COULD CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH TO THE TO THE LOW TENANT IMPROVEMENT VALUATION LIMITS, SUCH AS A CHANGE IN INTENSITY OF USE OR PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE OF FLOOR AREA OF A BUILDING.
IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THESE FACTORS MORE DIRECTLY ALIGN WITH THE TENANTS ULTIMATE CONTRIBUTION TO ENERGY DEMAND AND COMMUTER AND AND COMMUTER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS THAN THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE ALREADY FIND OURSELVES IN AN INFLATIONARY FINANCING AND CONSTRUCTION CLIMATE.
AND WE HAVE THE NEW STATE BUILDING CODES COMING UP.
SO WE'RE HOPEFUL YOU'LL CONSIDER OUR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CLERK ANY FURTHER? THAT WAS THE LAST SPEAKER. THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE. COMMISSIONERS DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS MOMENT BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER MERTZ? YEAH.
SO THE THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
COMMON THREAD SEEMED TO BE THAT ONE OF PUSHING, YOU KNOW, MANDATES VERSUS INCENTIVES AND ALSO TO UNCERTAINTY OF COST AND WHAT THAT WILL DO TO OVERALL HOUSING INTO LIKE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL TENANTS.
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YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.BUT SO YEAH, THE ENERGY RELATED MEASURES THAT WE HAVE IN THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE, THERE'S A MIX OF EXISTING VERSUS EXPANDED VERSUS NEW MEASURES SO EXISTING FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE OUR EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
IN 2019 WE ADOPTED THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY BUILDING CODE PACKAGE THAT INCLUDED SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT OUR LAST SPEAKER WAS REFERENCING.
SO THAT'S TWO MEASURES IN THE THAT IMPACT BUILDINGS IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
SO UNCHANGED FROM 2019, THAT WOULD JUST BE DOING WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
THE EXPANDED MEASURES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED INCLUDE A PROPOSED UPDATE TO OUR BUILDING CODE.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HEARD SEVERAL OF THE LETTERS TOUCHING ON.
YOU HEARD ME REFERENCE THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE COMMENTS TO ADD IN MORE MEASURES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THREE MEASURES THAT WE ADDED IN, SO EXPANDED BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING AN REACH CODE OF SOME KIND.
SO THIS WOULD BE EXPANDING THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE MEASURES THAT ARE COMPLETELY NEW POLICIES OR PROGRAMS. ONE IS DECARBONIZING EXISTING BUILDINGS, AND THAT IS A COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY MEASURE.
IT WOULD BE INCENTIVES, IT WOULD BE PILOT PROGRAMS, IT WOULD BE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS AT SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC CLEAN ENERGY ALLIANCE, JUST PUSHING CUSTOMER PROGRAMS, WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE A BUILDING ENERGY BENCHMARKING REQUIREMENT.
THIS WOULD BE MIRRORING EXACTLY WHAT THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT IS FOR BUILDING ENERGY BENCHMARKING.
SO SAME BUILDING SIZE THRESHOLD EVERYTHING.
BUT INSTEAD OF REPORTING TO THE STATE, YOU WOULD BE REPORTING TO THE CITY.
SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE EXISTING CITY OF SAN DIEGO BENCHMARKING PROGRAM, NOT THE UPDATE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING INTO, IT WOULD FUNCTION A LOT LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'D BE USING BUILDING ENERGY STAR AS THE PLATFORM FOR REPORTING, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE IMPLEMENTING A STATE REQUIREMENT LOCALLY SO WE COULD CLAIM THOSE GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS.
DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? KATIE, I HAVE A REAL QUICK QUESTION.
SO IN REGARD TO THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, FOR PROBABLY MORE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OF MANDATES AND OR INFLUENCING THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN PUBLIC AGENCIES OR OUR AGENCY SPECIFICALLY, COULD YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS HAS ARE THERE PLANS IN REGARD TO THAT ON ANY TYPE OF MANDATES OR INCENTIVES THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE WITHIN THIS PROGRAM? YEAH, HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT.
SO THAT'S OUR IMPLEMENTATION COST ANALYSIS.
SO CHECK THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
BUT YEAH, SO THAT JUST LOOKS AT CITY COSTS FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF IMPLEMENTATION.
THE BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD LOOK AT COSTS TO STAKEHOLDERS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT THAT WASN'T SCOPED AS PART OF THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
IT WASN'T PART OF THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN JUNE OF 2021, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE NICA.
BUT I KNOW I MENTIONED IT BEFORE FOR ANY OF THESE NEW POLICIES AND PROGRAMS, THE COST ANALYSIS WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING AS SUBSTANTIAL AS A BUILDING CODE UPDATE.
IT'S REQUIRED WHEN YOU FILE IT WITH THE CEC AND CPUC.
SO WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE DOING ONE.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION IN REGARD TO COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS FOR THESE MANDATES ON PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND BUSINESS? WITHIN THE DRAFT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE? NOTHING BEYOND.
ARE THERE PLANS TO DO SO? THE ARE THERE PLANS TO DO ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN DIRECTED BY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER STINE.
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FOLLOWING UP ON THE CHAIR'S QUESTIONS.AS I UNDERSTAND FROM LISTENING TO OUR SPEAKERS, FIVE WERE FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
THE THEME I EXTRACTED FROM THEIR COMMENTS WAS GO SLOW HERE BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE SOME MAJOR ECONOMIC IMPACTS ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND THAT WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED.
AND YOU INDICATED IN RESPONSE TO OUR CHAIR'S QUESTIONS THAT WHILE WE HAVE DONE A COST IMPACT FOR THE CITY, WE HAVE NOT DONE IT FOR THE BROADER BUSINESS COMMUNITY, HOUSING COMMUNITY, OTHER COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT WASN'T WITHIN THE SCOPE.
QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, ANTICIPATE BETWEEN NOW AND SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE PROVISIONS TO ACHIEVE OUR TARGETS, THAT THERE WOULD BE SUCH A STUDY THAT WOULD BE COMING BEFORE PERHAPS THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CERTAINLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO THAT LATER ON IN THE PROCESS? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE THE NECESSARY BUDGET FOR THAT, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY PREPARE THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS.
OKAY. SO I UNDERSTAND STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO DIRECTION ON THAT.
SO WE KNOW HAVE A BETTER GAUGE ON THE IMPACT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THAT'S. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DANNA.
THANK YOU. YES. JUST TO I GUESS FOR MY INFORMATION WITH WITH THE CONCERNS WITH INCREASED COSTS OF CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT WITH REACH CODES AS THEY'RE DESCRIBED HERE.
IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE REACH CODES HAVE SOME SORT OF COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT , AND CAN YOU KIND OF GO OVER THAT AND EXPLAIN IT? YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
YES. THERE IS A COST EFFECTIVENESS STUDY THAT'S REQUIRED WHEN YOU'RE DOING THOSE TYPES OF UPDATES.
SO IF THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE MEASURES STILL INTACT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PREPARE AS PART OF THAT. SO TO FOLLOW UP.
SO WHEN THESE REACH CODES COME TO, SAY, THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION THEY WOULD NEED TO SHOW THAT THESE NEW MEASURES WOULD HAVE TO MEET THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS STANDARD THAT IS SET.
IS IT SET SET BY THE STATE? YEAH I BELIEVE IT'S THE CEC OR THE CPUC.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH ENTITY? OKAY. THANK YOU.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY. DID I DID I CLOSE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY? I DON'T THINK I DID.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DID. OH MY GOSH.
I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
COMMISSIONER, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
AND JUST SO I MEAN, WE'RE RECEIVING THE REPORT AND IT'S COMING UP AGAIN IN OCTOBER, SO I'M JUST I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE BIT I FEEL A LITTLE BIT FUZZY TO SAY WE'RE RECEIVING REPORT WE'RE DOING TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OCTOBER.
COULD YOU KIND OF COVER THAT AGAIN? SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE NOW VERSUS IN OCTOBER AND THIS COMES BACK MR. LARDY. YES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
SO THIS IS TO RECEIVE THE REPORT.
THE ACTION THAT'S TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE OCTOBER 2ND WILL BE THE FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, AND THERE WILL BE SEVERAL RESOLUTIONS ATTACHED TO THAT REPORT, WHICH THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER AND, IF IT DESIRES, TAKE ACTION ON THEM.
THAT ALSO COULD BE A TIME WHERE THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, SO NO SPECIFIC ACTION IS NEEDED TONIGHT. AND I'D RECOMMEND THAT ANY ACTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE SAVE IT FOR THAT FORMAL RECOMMENDATION.
SO IT'LL BE EASIER FOR STAFF AND THE COUNCIL TO TO EVALUATE THAT ULTIMATELY WHEN IT GETS TO THEM.
HERE ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN I GUESS ABSORB IT FOR, YOU KNOW, UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.
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THEN WE CAN MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS REGARDING OR QUESTIONS REGARDING AND THAT THAT OCTOBER MEANS WE ACTUALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON IT THEN? IS THAT CORRECT? YES.ARE WE IN DISCUSSION? NO. UNLESS YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF, YOU CAN HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF.
NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. ARE WE CLOSING OFF? I WILL IF THERE'S ANY.
I'M SORRY. CAN I SNEAK IN ONE LAST QUESTION? SURE. AS FAR AS THE OFF ROAD EQUIPMENT SECTION WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO INCLUDING ALL LAWN EQUIPMENT OR JUST THE LEAF BLOWER BAN? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD HEARD SINCE I STARTED MY POSITION HERE WERE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON LEAF BLOWERS, SO I THINK THAT'S HOW THE MEASURE KIND OF ENDED UP JUST FOCUSING ON LEAF BLOWERS.
IT'S NOT A VERY SCIENTIFIC ANSWER, BUT IT'S KIND OF HOW IT HAPPENED.
AND I NOTICED THE COMMENTS IN HERE ABOUT ARTIFICIAL TURF.
COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AS TO THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF ARTIFICIAL TURF? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU HAVE SEEN SOMEWHERE DEEP IN THAT STAFF REPORT, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT PAGE IT COVERS, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRODUCTION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF, LIKE MAKING IT EXTRACTING IT THINGS LIKE THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, A LOCAL JURISDICTION CLIMATE ACTION PLAN DOESN'T GET TO TAKE ANY CREDIT FOR THOSE SORTS OF CONSUMPTION OR PRODUCTION RELATED EMISSIONS.
SO WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THINGS WITHIN OUR BOUNDS THAT WE HAVE INFLUENCE OVER.
SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I REFERENCED THOSE COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF THEM BEING ARTIFICIAL TURF WE LOOKED INTO IT BEFORE WE LOOKED INTO IT A SECOND TIME. AND SINCE THE REDUCTIONS THAT THE CITY CAN CLAIM ARE QUITE LOW, SINCE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CLAIM SORT OF THE PRODUCTION AND ALL THAT SIDE OF IT, AND THE COST WAS QUITE HIGH IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY PENCIL OUT.
SO LET ME ASK YOU A SECONDARY QUESTION.
SO WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF, LET'S SAY I CHOSE TO RIP OUT MY LAWN, PUT ARTIFICIAL TURF IN MY YARD FOR THE ENSUING YEARS THEREAFTER HAVING THIS IN MY YARD WITH THE SUN BEATING ON IT EACH AND EVERY DAY.
IS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WHATSOEVER, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IT EMITTING SOMETHING OF SOME NATURE INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? IF THERE IS, IT'S QUITE MINUSCULE.
I THINK THE CONCERNS ARE LARGELY PUBLIC HEALTH RELATED.
THE MATERIALS USED IN ARTIFICIAL TURF, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR YOUNGER POPULATION OUT THERE PLAYING ON FIELDS, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT REFLECTED IN THE COMMENT LETTERS. AND AGAIN, THE EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRODUCTION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF VERSUS IF YOU JUST HAVE GRASS GOING BACK TO THAT CARBON SEQUESTRATION FANCY WORD.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF KATIE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSION DISCUSSION? OKAY. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN IT FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
WE USED TO LOOK AT PROJECTS, RIGHT, IN A WAY THAT YOU COULD DO THE WRONG THING, RIGHT, YOU COULD DO THE, THE, THE RIGHT THING WRONG, OR YOU COULD DO THE RIGHT THING RIGHT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS IS, IS I THINK EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A NOBLE GOAL AND I THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE GOAL.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO ADDING ON REGULATIONS AND MORE HOOPS FOR BUSINESS TO GO THROUGH, IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE IT'S INCREMENTAL.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S A BASELINE OF THORNY REGULATIONS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW THAT WHEN YOU ADD MORE AND MORE AND MORE, YOU MAKE IT SO CUMBERSOME AND SO ONEROUS FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT THEY STRUGGLE TO ACTUALLY
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IMPLEMENT THEM AND IT ACTUALLY PUTS YOUR PLAN IN JEOPARDY.SO JUST MY MY, MY STRONG FEELING ON THIS IS THAT THIS IS MISSING AN IMPORTANT HALF OF THE, OF THE ANALYSIS.
AND THAT IS THERE'S A TRADE OFF HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO FORCE COMPANIES AND BUILDERS AND TO DO THINGS AND THAT COST JUST SHIFTS TO THEM.
I YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT THAT THIS PROCESS BE REVERSED, WHERE WE FIND OUT THE IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED, MEANING THE COMPANIES AND SO FORTH, AND IT FLOWS BACK INTO THE ANALYSIS SO THAT THERE'S A TOTAL PIE IS A SOCIETAL COST BENEFIT, NOT JUST THE CITY JAMMING SOMETHING DOWN THE THROAT OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING.
BUT THIS IS A VERY ONE SIDED ANALYSIS IN MY OPINION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU SAY THAT MR. HUBINGER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE [INAUDIBLE] IN THE AUDIENCE AND HIS PRESENTATION FROM THE BUILDING ASSOCIATION IN REGARD TO THE IMPACT THAT IT POSSIBLY MIGHT HAVE ON THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND OR THE COST OF HOUSING AND IT'S EXPENSIVE NOW.
AND HERE WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO TRY TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND YET MANDATES HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE.
RIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS SEEM SO DIFFICULT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO IT AND WORK TOGETHER WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, A LOT OF THESE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE RIGHT SORT OF LISTENING AND WORKING TOGETHER.
BUT WHEN THEY COME DOWN HARD ONE WAY, THEY THEY, THEY CAN BE EXTREMELY COSTLY AND EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE AND NOBODY REACHES ANY GOALS.
AND IT DOESN'T HELP US IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I KNOW WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ON ONE OF OUR MORE RECENT AGENDA ITEMS, SMART AND FINAL CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE, AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN REGARD TO WITH NOT HAVING IT PRIMARILY HOUSING AND WITH VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THE PROPERTY IS NOW CURRENTLY USED AS.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME, BOTH FROM OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT ALSO WITHIN AMONGST OURSELVES REGARDING PEOPLE HAVING TO DRIVE FURTHER AND PROVIDING GREENHOUSE GAS IN DRIVING FURTHER TO GET TO THOSE SERVICES.
THANK YOU. I WANT TO ECHO THE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS OF COMMISSIONERS MEENES AND COMMISSIONER HUBINGER I THINK THEY'RE SPOT ON. I THINK THE IMPACT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS A BIG COMPONENT.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BIG QUESTION MARK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, WE NEED SOME NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH REAL WORLD IMPACTS ON OUR HOUSING INDUSTRY, OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, OUR TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY.
GET SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE SOME SENSE ON WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME, AND MY CONCERN IS THEY MAY BE MAJOR.
PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA OF HOUSING.
WE YES, WE HAVE A CLIMATE CRISIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
HENCE WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF STATE MANDATES THAT TIE OUR HANDS EVERY TIME WE HAVE A HOUSING PROJECT TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON, BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS WE NEED MORE HOUSING, INCREASE THAT SUPPLY, AND WE SAY THAT'S THE LAW, THIS IS OUR FRAMEWORK, AND WE PROCEED ACCORDINGLY.
SO THERE IS A CLIMATE CRISIS? YES, BUT WE CAN'T BE SO FOCUSED WITH BLINDERS ON CLIMATE ISSUES AND NOT BE FULLY COGNIZANT OF HOW THIS WILL IMPACT HOUSING AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
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SO MY INCLINATION NOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT STAFF IS NOT LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.BUT ON MY PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS IS WE OUGHT TO GO SLOW HERE.
THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS.
SO I ECHO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES CONCERNS WITH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE CLOSER AND WHERE THAT BALANCE IS BETWEEN MEETING THE CLIMATE GOALS AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS.
THE OTHER THOUGHT I'M LOOKING AT AS I LOOK THROUGH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IS SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY THAT IS USED IS THINGS LIKE LEVERAGE, EXPLORE AND EVALUATE.
THOSE DON'T SEEM TO CARRY A LOT OF TEETH.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE THE PLAN TO ALLOW FOR THE CITY TO MANEUVER AND COME UP WITH DIFFERENT MEASURES TO ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FINALLY, I, I HAVE A INTEREST IN TRANSPORTATION.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR STUDENTS GOING TO OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS.
CURRENTLY, IF YOU GO ANYWHERE NEAR A SCHOOL IN THE MORNING OR IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU SEE HOW MANY CARS ARE IDLING AND HOW MUCH TIME IS WASTED, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF SCHOOL BUSSING SED WORKING WITH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR BUSSING CHILDREN TO AND FROM SCHOOL.
THANK YOU. AND FIRST OFF, I WANT TO APPRECIATE THE PROCESS WE'RE JUST RECEIVING THE REPORT AND THEN HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO ABSORB THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THEN WE COME BACK WHERE WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS TONIGHT WHO CAME OUT AND TOOK THE TIME TO TO MAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY TONIGHT. [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSS SOME OF THE NOTES I HAVE FROM THAT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, NAIOP, I'M IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY.
I'VE BEEN TO, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY NAIOP MEETINGS OVER THE YEARS.
THEN, MR. K, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN SAN DIEGO, ALSO WITH THE BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, WHICH HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY A GREAT ADVOCATE FOR ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO HOUSING AND HIS CONCERN ABOUT UNKNOWN COSTS.
THEN THE SAN DIEGO REGIONAL CHAMBER, WHICH AGAIN, IS A WELL RESPECTED GROUP, SAYING THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT INCENTIVES VERSUS MANDATES, LACK OF DETAIL YOU KNOW, INCREASED COSTS OF HOUSING AND THEN ALSO GRID CAPACITY.
AND THE LAST ONE I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
THE GENTLEMAN FROM PLANNING ASSOCIATES IN THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER.
SO AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW, I HAVE A BUILDING, A LISTING IN THE CARLSBAD RESEARCH CENTER.
WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AS WE SPEAK.
AND OFTENTIMES I RECOMMEND OUR CLIENTS ACTUALLY HIRE SOMEONE LIKE THAT JUST TO GET THROUGH THE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A NICE WORD TO SAY THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING THROUGH THE CITY, AND OFTENTIMES WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DO THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES.
AND SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES UP AND SAYS, WE HAVE CONCERNS.
THAT'S VERY IMPACTFUL TO HEAR THAT.
LASTLY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCERN FOR HOUSING PERSONALLY WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BUILDING AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ON OUR HOME, A 1970S HOME THAT WAS ON A HUGE CORNER LOT.
AND I THINK IT TOOK US A YEAR TO GET THROUGH THE CITY ON OUR PLANS ON THAT.
SO I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.
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I GUESS FOR ME AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS I HEARD FROM THE SPEAKERS A FEELING THAT THEIR CONCERNS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PARAPHRASE HERE, THAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE NOT ADDRESSED OR THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE HANDLED.I GUESS FOR ME, AS WE COME BACK NEXT TIME TO HEAR THIS, I'M I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT UNLESS WE GET A MORE POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS WHO'VE COME AND SPOKE TONIGHT.
IF I GUESS IF THERE'S QUESTIONS FOR KATIE PUBLIC WORKS, WE'D ASK HER TO COME BACK TO THE MIC.
OKAY. CAN I ASK A ANOTHER, HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS, A LOT OF PROJECTS.
AND MAYBE IT'S I MEAN, MY EXPERIENCE IS EVERYTHING'S 80 OVER 20 RULE.
SO MAYBE IT'S DOING FEWER PROJECTS AND MORE IMPACTFUL PROJECTS BETTER WITH BETTER FEEDBACK.
I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF DOWN THE LANE WITH THIS ALREADY, BUT YOU KNOW, MORE IS NOT ALWAYS MORE.
OTHER PUBLIC AGENCIES, OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
ARE THEY GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME PROCESS ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND DO, DOES THIS DOCUMENT MIRROR MANY OF THE ITEMS AND ISSUES AND THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR DOCUMENT OR SIMILAR TO THEIRS? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO YEAH, YOU SAW IN ONE OF MY SLIDES THAT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLANNING PROCESS IS NEVER ENDING.
I LIKE TO SAY IT'S CRADLE TO CRADLE INSTEAD OF CRADLE TO GRAVE.
ALMOST ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS IN THE SAN DIEGO REGION HAVE ONE, SO WE'LL JUST ASSUME THAT THEY DO.
AND THEN WHAT THE DIRECTION IS TO UPDATE THAT PLAN, SO IT'S NOT ANY REQUIREMENT OF HOW OFTEN YOU UPDATE A PLAN, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
OURS IS FROM 2015, SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO NINE.
SO AS FAR AS LIKE THE CYCLE OF WHERE OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE AT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE THAT GOT UPDATED FAIRLY RECENTLY. I THINK IT WAS LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT THEIR UPDATE WAS APPROVED.
SO YOU'LL BE HEARING AND SEEING A LOT OF SIMILAR CONTENT IN THE MONTHS TO COME.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES, I'M FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.
ARE THERE ANY STATE IMPOSED DEADLINES OR MANDATES THAT SAY WE NEED TO REVISE OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN BY A PARTICULAR DATE? YEAH.
GREAT QUESTION. SO NO STATE MANDATES.
THE MANDATE THAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER IS BACK ON THIS SLIDE.
SO THE MANDATE THAT THE CITY HAS IS TIED TO OUR MITIGATION MEASURES.
BUT MORE RECENTLY THIS JANUARY 2024 CERTIFICATION OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL EIR FOR THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE AND COMMUNITY DESIGN ELEMENT AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT.
SO THAT WAS THE UPDATE THAT ENCOMPASSED THAT HOUSING ELEMENT AND REZONE EFFORT.
SO WITHIN THAT SUPPLEMENTAL EIR THERE'S ANOTHER MITIGATION MEASURE THAT REQUIRES THE CITY TO DRAFT AND ADOPT A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE IN ORDER FOR US TO BOTH ACCOMMODATE FOR THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE GENERAL PLAN BY WAY OF THAT EFFORT, BUT ALSO SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO STREAMLINE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY.
SINCE OUR PLAN IS CEQA QUALIFIED AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2015, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG COMPONENT.
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RELATED IMPACTS.SO THE TARGET COMPLETION DATE FOR THAT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL EIR IS JANUARY TO JULY 2025.
AND THE NEXT ONES COMING UP FIRST PART OF NEXT YEAR.
RIGHT. SO HYPOTHETICALLY IF WE ASKED RECOMMENDED AND COUNCIL BE COUNCILS CALL THAT WE KIND OF GO SLOW ON THIS UNTIL WE HAVE SOME MORE COST FIGURES ON PRIVATE SECTOR IMPACTS CONCEIVABLY WE COULD GET THAT AND STILL BE ABLE TO GET IT TO COUNCIL THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT YEAR POSSIBLY.
IT'D BE VERY SPEEDY, BUT I THINK I COULD DO IT.
RIGHT. MR. LARDY, I THINK I THINK HE HAS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, IS THAT THE TIMETABLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT THE NEXT TIME IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US IN A MONTH, AND THEN WE THEN WILL TAKE ACTION AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
COULD YOU EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. YEAH, SURE.
AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD POINT IN TIME WHERE WE CAN SAY KIND OF THE DIFFERENT ROLES.
AND SO I'M UP HERE SERVING AS THE AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO, IN OUR ROLE, HELP ADVISE ON LAND USE PLANNING RELATED ISSUES AND IMPLEMENTATION.
THOSE UNITS, WHEN BUILT, WILL HAVE PEOPLE IN THEM.
THEY WILL HAVE ELECTRICITY NEEDS, EVERYTHING.
SO THAT HELPS DRIVE THE THE PROJECTIONS.
SO WE'RE HERE TO ADVISE UPON THAT.
PUBLIC WORKS IS REALLY THE DRIVER OF THE SCHEDULE OF HOW THAT CAP IS COMPLETED.
SO I DEFER TO THEM ON THE SCHEDULE AND OPTIONS AND SCOPE AS THEY WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT BEING SAID, I AM GETTING A TEXT THAT WE ARE LOSING THE LIVE FEED.
SO COULD I RECOMMEND WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT BACK UP BEFORE WE CONCLUDE? WE WILL DO SO.
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WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE MEETING.AT THIS TIME, WE ARE STILL RECORDING SO WE CAN PROCEED ON, CONTINUE WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION STANDPOINT? OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF.
AND MY QUESTION IS WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING IN REGARD TO ISSUES, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, IN REGARD TO MANDATES AND INCENTIVES FOR THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND ALSO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE VERSUS PROJECTS AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, LOOKING AT WHEN THIS IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO US AGAIN, AND THEN WE WILL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO AT THAT MEETING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT WE AS A COMMISSION WOULD BE PROVIDING A LIST AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LIST THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, ACTION ITEMS THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING, TAKING ACTION ON? IN OTHER WORDS, SHOULD THE COMMISSION BE PREPARED TO BE READY AT THE NEXT MEETING TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ARE POSSIBLY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'D BE MAKING TO COUNCIL.
I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE ASKED, IT'S BEING ASKED TONIGHT TO MAKE COMMENTS, AND IT'S BEING ASKED AT THE NEXT MEETING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE SPECIFIC ACTIONS, WHICH IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS RECOMMENDING AN ACTION ON THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
ULTIMATELY, IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT.
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ANALYSIS, I THINK I WAS MAYBE A LITTLE EAGER IN SAYING SIX MONTHS.I KIND OF FORGET THE HOLIDAYS AND IT'S A BIT OF A DEAD ZONE THEN.
SO I THINK A SAFER ESTIMATE TO, YOU KNOW, PREPARE A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, GET BUDGET APPROPRIATED, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS GETTING THEIR BUY IN DOCKETING WRITING STAFF REPORTS, COMING BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN GOING BACK TO COUNCIL, SAY FOR ESTIMATE 9 TO 12 MONTHS PROBABLY ONLY BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF WE WERE AT COUNCIL LAST NOVEMBER.
IT'S BEEN 12 MONTHS. SO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO PUSH MYSELF BUT PROBABLY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER.
AND IF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ENTAIL COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE DECIDE ON AND TAKE ACTION ON AT OUR NEXT MEETING, IT COULD DELAY THAT.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE.
YEAH. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
OKAY. THE TIMING DOESN'T MATTER HERE.
ALL RIGHT. THIS THING HAS TOO MUCH IMPACT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GET ALL HUNG UP ON THE TIMING.
NOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO OUT FIVE YEARS.
I GET IT. AND I THINK KATIE'S GOING 9 MONTHS.
RIGHT. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET HUNG UP ON THE TIMING.
SO IT COULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR INFORMATION TO GET THAT, SO THAT THERE COULD BE A CLEARER PICTURE WHEN THIS RETURNS IN OCTOBER, OF WHAT OPTIONS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU SPECIFIC TO THIS MEASURE.
SO, MR. LARDY, ARE YOU ASKING, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THOSE QUESTIONS BE SUBMITTED TO KATIE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO? WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M SUGGESTING THAT IF YOU TAKE SOME SORT OF ACTION TONIGHT IN THE FORM OF A MINUTE MOTION, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU DO.
EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER COULD SUBMIT COMMENTS IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, BUT THEY COULD NOT BE ANY COLLABORATION ON THAT IN THE FORM OF NOT RISKING A BROWN ACT VIOLATION. CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE TIMING? I DID JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THERE IS THAT MITIGATION MEASURE, TIMING INCLUDED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL EIR FOR THE THE NAME IS SO LONG COMMUNITY DESIGN ELEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT SUPPLEMENTAL EIR THAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO THERE IS THAT TIMING PIECE TO CONSIDER.
APPRECIATE THAT. I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING THAT MAYBE WE IF YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE TO PUBLIC WORKS STAFF, NOW YOU COULD DO SO LIKE FOR ME, EVERY PROJECT SHOULD HAVE A COUNTER WITH THE IMPACT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THE COMPLEXITY AND COST.
RIGHT. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD RUN A STUDY WITH EVERYTHING.
SO AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE BIG, COMPLICATED PROJECTS, MAYBE BY A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS AND ASSOCIATIONS THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT AND, AND JUST HAVE A BALANCED LOOK AT EVERY PROJECT RELATIVE TO ITS IMPACT ON THE, THE, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXECUTE IT. AND THEN IF THERE ARE RED FLAGS FOR 2 OR 3 OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE THEY'RE PARTICULARLY THORNY, THEN WE KNOW WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO A STUDY OR SOMETHING MORE, MORE IN DEPTH.
KATIE. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION, IF THAT'S OKAY COMMISSIONER HUBINGER.
RIGHT? IT'S IT'S I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
THAT'S ALREADY BEEN KIND OF CLARIFIED AND EVERYTHING.
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AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON HOUSING OR OR BUILDING OR WHATEVER.IS THAT OKAY? JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING THAT IN FOUR WEEKS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WOULD YOU BE WORKING ON THAT AND HAVE SOME FURTHER INFORMATION FOR US WHEN WE MEET AT OUR NEXT MEETING? SO THAT TYPE OF EFFORT WOULD DEFINITELY REQUIRE BUDGET APPROPRIATION AND LIKELY DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO GO FORTH AND CONDUCT SUCH A STUDY SO.
SO IN ESSENCE, WE CAN'T EXPECT ANYTHING BY OUR OCTOBER MEETING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF STAFF PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OTHER THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER STINE.
YES. I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE VIEWS OF COMMISSIONER HUBINGER ON THIS ISSUE AND WANTING THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. BUT I WANT TO BE PRACTICAL TOO AND PRAGMATIC.
AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DOABLE WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME, CONSISTENT ON WITH OUR EXISTING TIMETABLES, WHERE WE HAVE A TARGET COMPLETION DATE OF THE FIRST BASICALLY SIX MONTHS OR SEVEN MONTHS OF NEXT YEAR, THEN I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO APPROACH IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS JUST KIND OF THINKING OUT LOUD AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS WOULD BE AT THE TIME IF THE CLIMATE ACTION PROGRAM IS APPROVED, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, IT'S APPROVED, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, NEXT MEETING BY COMMISSION, AND HYPOTHETICALLY, IT'S APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL SOME WEEKS LATER OR MONTHS LATER.
I'M THINKING IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IN THE BIG PROJECT.
WHAT BIG PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION IN THAT WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AND COUNCIL IS GOING TO TAKE AN ACTION THAT WILL MANDATE CERTAIN STRATEGIES AND THAT COULD HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE HOUSING COMMUNITY, I WOULD THINK, AT LEAST BY THAT TIME BEFORE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
AND WE GET AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, OR A POLICY THAT HAS TEETH THAT WILL BECOME OUR LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT AT THAT POINT PERHAPS WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT STUDY, THAT COST BENEFIT STUDY BE DONE PRIOR TO THAT FORMAL ADOPTION OF THAT MEASURE, OF THAT STRATEGY. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A CONCEPT, A PLAN TO THE NEXT STEP AND IMPLEMENT IT IN THE REAL WORLD.
BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME, AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER, WITH THE ACTION THAT WE TAKE AND THE MOTIONS THAT WE MAKE, WE COULD VERY EASILY INCORPORATE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM DOING THAT.
AND THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HOLD UP THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF APPROVAL.
AT THAT TIME, AT THE VERY LEAST, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THESE ISSUES, THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS BEFORE THE COUNCIL, BEFORE THEY TAKE THE ACTION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T SEND IT TO COUNCIL AND WE DON'T APPROVE IT? YEAH. THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR YOUR HYPOTHETICAL ASSUMES APPROVAL.
IT DOES. I'M SAYING IF WE DO, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD.
AND THAT WOULD BE DOING IT LATER DOWN IN THE PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE A POLICY, SOMETHING THAT GOES TO COUNCIL THAT'S IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN, NOT JUST APPROVING THE PLAN, IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN.
THEN AT THAT POINT THAT WE WOULD SUGGEST, PERHAPS AS PART OF THE PLAN, WE PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS WHEN IT COMES TO IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN, SUCH AS BY AN ORDINANCE, THAT THERE BE THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON HOUSING OR OTHER PRIVATE SECTOR.
MAYBE OUR CITY ATTORNEY COULD COULD ASSIST A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE CODE SECTION.
SO THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL WITH EFFECTIVELY THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
I'D WANT TO FIND IT ACTUALLY IN THE CODE TO CONFIRM MY MY MEMORY, BUT I THINK IT'S IN THERE.
[INAUDIBLE] BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT
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WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO BE PREPARED AT OUR NEXT MEETING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.AND THEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT TIME, TIME LIMITS OR TIME FRAME ON THAT.
BUT THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE EXPRESSED REGARDING COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, COULD VERY, VERY EASILY BE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING.
YEAH, JUST, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
AND SO WHAT DOES THIS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS LOOK LIKE? RIGHT? WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT. RIGHT.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS THERE ANYTHING OUT IN, OUT ON THE FIELD THAT KIND OF TAKES INTO ACCOUNT, SAY, YOU KNOW, SOLAR PANEL IMPLEMENTATION, RIGHT.
SAY THIS IS THE INITIAL COST PER SO MANY KILOWATT HOURS AND WITH A 5 OR 10 YEAR LIFESPAN, THESE ARE THE OPERATIONAL GAINS OR COSTS OR DEBITS, CREDITS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
AND SO WE CAN SEE IN GENERAL TERMS FOR EACH OF THESE MEASURES WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN COST OF A MEASURE LIKE THIS? BECAUSE YES, INITIAL COSTS ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER TO PURCHASE SOLAR PANELS OR BATTERIES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD IT MIGHT BE USEFUL INSTEAD OF DOING A VERY HIGHLY TECHNICAL COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS KIND OF LOOKING AT EACH OF THESE ITEMS AND SEEING WHAT A LIFE CYCLE, A TYPICAL LIFE CYCLE MIGHT BE FOR IT AND ITS COST INSTALLATION VERSUS OPERATION.
AND WHERE IS THAT BREAKING POINT OF BREAKING EVEN OR LOSING MONEY OR MAKING MONEY.
YEAH, AND HAPPY TO CLARIFY SOME MORE DETAILS.
SO THAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS EFFECTIVELY.
SO LET'S IMAGINE A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE CONDUCTING ONE.
OBVIOUSLY, NOT EVERY SINGLE MEASURE IS INSTALLING SOLAR, BUT IT WOULD LOOK AT IT TAKES THE IMPLEMENTATION COST ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE THAT JUST LOOKS AT COSTS OF THE CITY AND THEN EXPANDS THAT TO, YOU KNOW, COST OF CUSTOMER USERS, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, COST TO SOCIETY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE COST CATEGORIES THAT I'VE SEEN CLASSIFIED IN THEM.
AND I HATE THIS TERM, BUT IT'S SORT OF LIKE A BANG FOR YOUR BUCK COMPARISON.
SO ARE THE LIKE ARE THE REDUCTIONS VERY, VERY SMALL.
BUT THE COST IS VERY, VERY HIGH.
THAT'S WHAT THE ANALYSIS WOULD SHOW.
IS IT FLIP FLOPPED? IT WOULD SHOW KIND OF THE SAME THING.
IMPLEMENTATION COST ANALYSIS THAT WOULD LIKELY OCCUR WITH THE BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS.
THOUGH I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS JUST THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT PROJECTS OUT.
SO WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO LOOK AT FIVE YEARS FOR THE ICA.
IT'S JUST A BIT DIFFICULT TO ASSUME COSTS ALL THE WAY OUT TO 2045.
BUT THERE'S NO LIKE OFF THE SHELF MODELING PRODUCT.
LIKE I'M, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M THINKING LIKE SANDAG TRAFFIC GENERATION MODELING.
RIGHT. THAT'S LIKE AN OFF THE SHELF SORT OF THING.
THERE'S ESTABLISHED NUMBERS THAT YOU JUST PLUG IN.
RIGHT. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE? GOT IT. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY.
MR. COMMISSIONER DANNA, HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE THERE? SORRY. GO AHEAD. HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE THERE? JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAY PROJECTS, DO YOU MEAN MEASURES? YEAH. I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 25 OR 26.
YEAH. SO I'M KIND OF THINKING YOU HAVE 25 MEASURES.
YOU RANK THEM IN TERMS OF IMPACT.
THE ELECTRIFICATION ONE WE HAD.
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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHERE YOU COULD JUST HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE AND COULD BE VERY COSTLY. YOU WOULD YOU ASSIGN IT SOME SORT OF A DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY.NOBODY'S GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
AND MAYBE THERE'S JUST 1 OR 2 MEASURES THAT ARE REALLY YOU KNOW DIFFICULT FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO IMPLEMENT OR HOUSING IMPACT OR WHATEVER. AND WE FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON THOSE RATHER THAN THE 25 THAT MAYBE 10 OR 15 ARE NO BRAINERS, YOU KNOW, AND WE FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLICATED AND WE GO FROM THERE.
WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO DO A STUDY ON EACH ONE.
WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THOSE, YOU KNOW.
YEAH. I WILL SAY, JUST WITH THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS I LEARNED WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION COST ANALYSIS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ONE MEASURE, YOU MAY AS WELL JUST LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, LIKE THE LEVEL OF EFFORT DOESN'T SCALE UP TO BE THAT MUCH MORE FOR THE CONSULTANTS WHO DO THIS SORT OF WORK.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS YOU'D PROBABLY GET.
FROM A WORK STANDPOINT. YEAH I UNDERSTAND.
YES. THAT WOULD ALL BE INCLUDED IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL STUDY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. LARDY. COMMISSIONER MERZ.
SO THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE IDEAS OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE CAP AS WELL AT THE OCTOBER MEETING, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF BRING UP AT THIS MEETING. MR. LARDY, YOU SHOULD ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOW OR ITEMS RELATED TO THAT.
THE COMMISSION LIKE I SAID EARLIER, HAS THE OPTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH MODIFICATIONS OR NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST A COUPLE OF THINGS IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ADD TO THE CAP.
BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN ALSO WAIT TILL OCTOBER.
I CAN CLARIFY THAT WE WON'T BE CHANGING THE DOCUMENT BEFORE OCTOBER.
SO YOU CAN TELL ME NOW, YOU CAN WAIT WHATEVER YOU LIKE.
I'LL WAIT. I GUESS WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR OCTOBER MEETING IS, IS TO BE PREPARED FOR HAVING QUESTIONS, NOT QUESTIONS, BUT RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE GIVEN AS A PART OF OUR ACTION AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THINK ABOUT THOSE.
AND THEN WITH WITHIN OUR COMMISSION DISCUSSION, WE CAN THEN KIND OF NARROW DOWN WHAT WE WISH TO SEE AS TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, BE THEY 1, 2 OR 3 OF THEM OR 4 OF THEM OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
AND THEN I THINK, KATIE, I THINK YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD THIS EVENING TO WHERE MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY, IF YOU HAVE ANY, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ANY RESEARCH THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, HAVE IT BE A PART OF OUR AGENDA ITEM.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TO HAVE KATIE BE PREPARED FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? OKAY. NOTHING ELSE.
WITH THAT THAT CONCLUDES OUR NON PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
KATIE YOU'VE BEEN AWESOME PUTTING UP WITH US THIS EVENING.
AND I APPRECIATE BY THE WAY ALL THE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC THIS EVENING.
WITH THAT IN MIND, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY REPORTS?
[CITY PLANNER REPORT]
CITY PLANNER? WE WILL BE CANCELING THE SEPTEMBER 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THEN RETURNING ON OCTOBER 2ND.WE WILL BE HAVING THE CARLSBAD VILLAGE MIXED USE PROJECT.
[CITY ATTORNEY REPORT]
[02:00:07]
CITY ATTORNEY.THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND WE SURELY APPRECIATE WITH THAT.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE ADJOURNED AT EXACTLY 7:00.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.